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Vashi_SamaMight anyone know if gfxboot is Xubunu compatible, just the same as it is in Ubuntu?12:39
somerville32What does gfxboot do?12:41
Vashi_SamaGfxboot has the ability to make grub look nicer while retaining the same features Grub has in default.12:42
Vashi_SamaHowever, one of the biggest drawbacks of gfxboot is that it lacks of good documentation, because the only known is a small README distributed with the source, explaining some aspects of its Postscript like definition language.12:43
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, hello, do you have xfce 4.4.0 yet?12:44
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, or the new version of thunar12:44
cellofellowI have the Edgy version, and haven't updated my Feisty installation in a while12:45
cellofellowso, no12:45
cellofellowstill 4.4rc2 or whatever12:45
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, yeah same, i am installing 4.4.0 right now on edgy12:46
Vashi_SamaAh, never mind - it should work out as planned.12:47
cellofellowGee, I haven't booted into Feisty in a week. The only thing I really needed was Linux 2.6.20 and I liked the new Gajim. But since I've given up on my video project, and Gajim in edgy seems to have updated itself, no need for Feisty ATM.12:47
bigfuzzyjesuswhats gajim12:48
cellofellowJabber client12:48
cellofellowGoogle Talk12:48
bigfuzzyjesusoh12:48
Vashi_SamaIs it in any way affiliated with gaim?12:48
bigfuzzyjesuswhelp i like edgy and until FF is stable i will stay with edgy :)12:48
cellofellowVashi_Sama: Gaim comes from the old name GNU AIM. Gajim is totally different. Gajim is jabber only, and has better jabber support than Gaim. Gajim is Python, Gaim is C.12:49
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Dante123hi all......I installed ubuntu on a couple of machines that perhaps in hindsight would work better with xubuntu.....is there some way of putting xubuntu on their now......even though they already represent working ubuntu machines.....and if I do......will the ability to play a game like netpanzer (which requires physfs- which comes with ubuntu but not xubuntu) be lost?  Thanks for any help in advance.12:52
Vashi_SamaInteresting. I like the idea of implementing python.12:52
cellofellowDante123: install the package xubuntu-desktop. Ubuntu will still be there, but you can use Xubuntu too. A two-in-one.12:54
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Dante123ok...thanks.....will netpanzer still work???12:59
bigfuzzyjesusDante123, sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop12:59
cellofellowDante123: since it's two-in-one, yes01:01
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kumamotodamn am happy my amarok is now working01:08
cellofellowExaile for me.01:09
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AmaranthineNightHello.01:10
Dante123okay process begun.....now how will i invoke the xubuntu desktop....when rebooting?01:11
Dante123Hi all.....after installing xubuntu desktop (from ubuntu machine) how do I start the xubuntu desktop?01:15
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AmaranthineNightThere should be an option at the login screen to change your "Session" one of those sessions should be XFCE, if I'm not mistaken.01:18
Dante123thank you....01:18
AmaranthineNightSorry I took so long01:19
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, !language01:20
kumamotowhat?01:20
bigfuzzyjesus!language kumamoto01:20
bigfuzzyjesus!language01:21
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:21
bigfuzzyjesus:)01:21
kumamotowhat language did I use to offend someone01:21
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, amorok comment01:22
kumamotohappy amarok is working is what is causing this frakas lord of his mercy01:23
gunny01A word starting with d and ending with mn01:24
gunny01A bit silly, but rules are rules01:24
bigfuzzyjesusgunny01, i agree a silly rule, but these rooms are supposed to be family friends01:25
bigfuzzyjesusfriendly01:25
bigfuzzyjesusDante123, did it work, are you using xfce01:26
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bigfuzzyjesusdarrend, im in the us :)01:29
darrendthat word is absolutely not considered offensive in general where I'm from either.  We find it vaguely amusing that Americans tend to get upset by it01:29
darrend;)01:30
bigfuzzyjesusdarrend, where are you from01:30
darrendUK01:30
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kumamotoI am in the US and you be am surprised01:31
kumamotoI mean you bet am surprised01:31
AmaranthineNightaw man, I missed it...what word?01:31
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darrenddon't worry, you didn't miss much at all01:32
kumamotolol01:32
somerville32:S01:32
darrendthough funnily enough, I could see a few people getting more upset about a nick like bigfuzzyjesus (being an atheist, I'm not one of 'em by the way)01:33
kumamotoI call it the pinnacle of hyprocrisy but that is where the US is going can't do nothing about it01:35
bigfuzzyjesusdarrend, i have gotten crap for it, to which i reply, i am a big harry hispanic and then i ask if they are racist (i too am atheist)01:35
AmaranthineNightTeehee. Politics and such.01:35
AmaranthineNight:-D01:35
snook353is glib_2.4 for stardict-gtk also known as libgtk?01:35
darrendah, now *there's* a word considered far more offensive than damn in the uk :)01:36
kumamotoanyway enough of that 'wonder why mozilla-mplayer plugins crap out' either no sound or no pics no errors but 'Stopped'01:36
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bigfuzzyjesusdarrend, what word01:37
darrendcrap01:37
bigfuzzyjesusdarrend, are you serious01:37
AmaranthineNightO.o?01:37
darrendabsolutely01:37
AmaranthineNightThat's puzzling01:37
darrendit still gets used a lot, but it's considered more offensive than damn (for example)01:37
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, but dman isnt offensive to them so, different places, different words01:38
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darrendquite :)01:38
bigfuzzyjesusargh, xmms stopped01:38
bigfuzzyjesussomerville32, does window transparency take many resources01:38
somerville32bigfuzzyjesus, I imagine it rather resource intensive if you don't have a good video card01:39
bigfuzzyjesussomerville32, yeah intel onboard doesnt qualify for a good videocard, i have a nvidia 5200 sitting around but i tryed for 30 min to use it on this computer and gave up01:40
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kumamotothere is something wrong with those 5200 I had 2 dual vgas and they never seem to work01:42
bigfuzzyjesusi wish xmms had ipod support and a better library feature01:42
kumamotothat is why I never use xmms it is very archaic compared to players llke amarok or even audacious01:43
gunny01All you need is *a* card. I have an old GF MX440 and I can run Beyrl pretty well01:43
kumamotoamarok has ipod support with no issue01:43
gunny01And intel graphics aren't01:43
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, amarok uses too many resources01:44
AmaranthineNightYeahhhh ouch.01:44
AmaranthineNightAmarok01:44
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, with xmms i can chat listen to music and browse the web, amarok chokes up mah system01:44
AmaranthineNightOuch.01:44
kumamotoactually no especially that xubuntu doesn't install all the scripts or engines01:44
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kumamotoI never seem to have any issue with it01:45
nyu2'aoss amarok'.01:45
nyu2Or set up alsa's software mixer.01:45
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, how much ram do you have01:45
PowhaHi! I am planning to do a netboot setup do I need "DHCP server program" if I have router?01:45
kumamotoright now I have 256MB01:45
kumamotonot much these days of multiapps01:45
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bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, same here, what proccessor speed01:46
AmaranthineNightI gave up on finding a music program that I actually like under linux. :-( Nothing meets my needs right now.01:46
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, same here01:46
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SpasticteapotHello, folks!01:46
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, hello01:46
SpasticteapotAnyone here have a reccomendation for a wifi manager!01:46
kumamotoamd xp 150001:46
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, have you ever used a thinkpad t4101:46
AmaranthineNightEverything I've found so far chokes on my collection.01:46
SpasticteapotTyped on one a bit - never owned one.01:46
SpasticteapotBeautiful laptops.01:46
kumamotoSpasticteapot, there was something I heard call avahi but no sure01:46
bigfuzzyjesuskumamoto, i have 900mhz of SUPER COMPUTING POWER01:46
AmaranthineNighto.o01:47
SpasticteapotI've got a 1ghz Pentium M.01:47
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, how big IS your collection01:47
Spasticteapot30% faster, tops.01:47
SpasticteapotPlenty for me.01:47
n00bHi, This is my first attempt at installing linux, I'm getting "cs: pcmcia_socket 1: cardbus cards are not supported."01:47
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah i wany one :)01:47
AmaranthineNight67 gigabytes or so.....approaching 14,000 songs01:47
kumamotobigfuzzyjesus that still too much for amarok01:47
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, i have 40 gigs and it chokes on my computer01:47
SpasticteapotWhat's the problem with your current laptop?01:48
kumamotoI have managed to run it on a 400Mhz but ofcource stripped to only what is needed01:48
SpasticteapotA 900mhz PIII with 384mb+ of RAM is plenty.01:48
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i have no current laptop01:48
SpasticteapotOh.01:48
bigfuzzyjesus:)01:48
SpasticteapotA TP600 is nice if you're not afraid of a little work.01:48
Spasticteapot$120 will get you a working one off eBay.01:48
Spasticteapot$35 will get you a new battery (most cheap old laptops have bad batteries - they do eventually wear out.)01:48
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i had a thinkpad 600m running dsl but the video card broke01:48
SpasticteapotVideo card?01:49
SpasticteapotOdd.01:49
AmaranthineNightAmarok is too slow, and I don't like the interface. I like the Rhythmbox interface, but it doesn't read my tags right and sometimes crashes trying to read my collection...and it's too slow searching through it. Qud Libet is almost good enough, but my computer ends up locking up if I try to multitask too much with a collection as big as mine.01:49
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i want to dual boot01:49
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, i have the exact same problem, only reasonable program i have found is quod libet01:49
n00bAny suggestions on getting my pcmcia working? I know the specs support cardbus (just barely)?01:50
kumamotoAmaranthineNight: true but it does it's job01:50
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah i know, it was at least 6 years old though01:50
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bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i cant remember when my dad got it (hand me down, like the rest of my hardware)01:50
AmaranthineNightI have a thinkpad 600 something or other lying around here.01:50
AmaranthineNight600x I think.01:50
bigfuzzyjesusn00b, i would try #ubuntu01:51
bigredradioAnyone familiar with this trick using fusesmb: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=30031001:51
bigredradioI am having permissions issues with fusesmb01:51
somerville32bigredradio, Did you add yourself to the fuse group?01:52
bigredradioThe mount point changes permission to only root01:52
bigredradiosomerville32: Where do I do that?01:52
somerville32bigfuzzyjesus, Oh, for the mount point issue01:52
n00bbigfuzzyjesus: even tho i'm running xubuntu and dont have the specs to run ubuntu?01:52
somerville32Make sure you chown before you do it01:52
somerville32and then run it as you01:52
gunny01how do I access my usb drive? I plugged it in, it's blinking but it hasn't made desktop item like a cd or anything01:53
bigredradiosomerville32: I do, it actually changes the permissions on the dir01:53
bigfuzzyjesussomerville32, what moint point issues01:53
somerville32There is a fix01:53
somerville32but I forget what it is01:53
somerville32lol01:53
bigfuzzyjesusn00b, same operating system different windows manager, its like using xp but not using explorer as the browser, same basic concept01:53
kumamotogunny01, #dmesg | tail01:54
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bigfuzzyjesusgunny01, do you have thunar01:54
AmaranthineNightI wish i could be more helpful, but I've had a pretty generally unproblematic run here.01:54
n00bbigfuzzyjesus: k, thanks for the clarification, i'll give #ubuntu a try01:54
AmaranthineNightSo i don't know how to fix all of these problems.01:54
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, same, the only problems i have had i have caused01:54
bigfuzzyjesusn00b, your welcome01:54
kumamotogunny01, I think you will have to mount it manually01:54
bigfuzzyjesusn00b, also check the forums :)01:54
bigfuzzyjesusbrb time to log out / reboot01:55
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AmaranthineNightEarlier my system font was too big, but that's about the biggest problem I've had, and one quick google search fixed that for me.01:55
AmaranthineNightI also had a pain in the neck of a time getting a friend's Creative Vision M working, but I don't think there's anyone here who can use my expertise in that area...XD01:56
somerville32hehe01:57
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AmaranthineNightSo I'm basically not very helpful, but I try :-)01:59
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gunny01 kumamoto: how?01:59
AmaranthineNightIsn't there a mounter thing in the panel, is that helpful at all?02:00
kumamotoif you run dmesg | tai02:00
gunny01 kumamoto: *tail?02:00
kumamotosorry dmesg | tail it will tell if you it is a sda b d02:00
gunny01 kumamoto: as root?02:01
kumamotodmesg actuall no need for root02:01
kumamotobut mounting must be root02:01
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kumamotoif you find say sda then run sudo mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point02:01
somerville32Xubuntu will mount your USB discs automatically02:02
kumamotoit might tell u which filesystem it is say vfat or dos or ntfs where u can run #sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point02:02
nyu2When is xubuntu going to commit the latest xfce?  The new thunar should do that automatically.02:02
kumamototrue xubuntu should mount it but what if it doesn't02:03
nyu2Or does it only handle it when a mount point is in the fstab?02:03
somerville32No, it automatically mounts if you add a USB disc02:04
AmaranthineNightI've never had an issue getting mine to automount, but I had to manually play with the FSTAB to get my friend's FAT32 partition mounted the other day.02:04
somerville32And in Feisty, it'll do all sorts of other devices too like your ipod02:04
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pjgat09hi, i need a little help with xubuntu, i am trying to get the live CD to work02:05
pjgat09the CD boots fine, the login screen comes up, i wait the 10 seconds and let it login02:05
pjgat09but then all i get is the background image, it pauses, flashes to black and returns me to the login screen02:05
somerville32pjgat09, How much ram do you have?02:06
pjgat09512mb ram, 450mhz processor (the reason i picked xubuntu)02:06
AmaranthineNightWow, 450mhz. That's nuts. O.O02:07
pjgat09yes, its a very old computer, im attempting to turn it into a server02:07
AmaranthineNightThat's awesome.02:07
pjgat09if only the live CD would work... :(02:07
gunny01try the alternitive install.02:08
pjgat09yeh, i was thinking of giving that a try02:08
AmaranthineNightI wish I could help you. My friend is having the same issue with his hard disk install, only it was working about 2 days ago and then suddenly kicked out on him. He tries to log in, and it flashes him back to the logins creen after a little while.02:08
AmaranthineNightBut yeah, the alternative install is probably a good idea.02:08
pjgat09well then, ill spend another hour downloading that i guess02:09
pjgat09well thanks, ill let you know how it goes02:10
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somerville32Computer: serenity | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 334.85Mhz | Model: Celeron (Mendocino) | Memory: 250MB Free: 69MB [          ]  | Diskspace: 40.07GB Free: 7.45GB | Video: S3 Inc. Savage 4 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 43.74MB Up: 6.68MB02:12
somerville32Mine is slower :P02:12
AmaranthineNightHow do you do that?02:12
somerville32A script02:12
AmaranthineNightI meant, how do you get it to run on a computer like that?02:13
somerville32It runs just fine :P02:13
AmaranthineNightThat's amazing.02:13
pjgat09yes, how do you get it to run on a computer like that?02:13
pjgat09i have a 100mhz, 128mb ram, 1.12gb HDD in my room  :P02:14
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AmaranthineNightI have a computer that's 400mhz 128mb ram lying around here that I would love to run Xubuntu on, but it doesn't work for me. I must be cursed or something.02:15
Spasticteapot@#$@#$ wifi.02:15
bigfuzzyjesuslawl02:15
SpasticteapotAnyone still here?02:15
bigfuzzyjesusim so excited02:15
AmaranthineNightI'm here.02:15
bigfuzzyjesusand i just cant hide it02:15
AmaranthineNightSomerville32 is here, as of a minute or so ago02:15
pjgat09i want to get ubuntu running on that 100mhz, but im not so sure how that would go02:15
bigfuzzyjesusmy nvidia card is working && i got the new version of xfce :)02:15
SpasticteapotAnd I think I lost my connection again.02:15
bigfuzzyjesuspjgat09, i would use dsl or puplinux for that02:16
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i be here02:16
pjgat09im not pasionate about getting it installed, but if i did it would be fun02:16
AmaranthineNightFluxbuntu might work if you're really jonesing for an ubuntu-type system, but it's in early alpha last I checked (AND IS NOT OFFICIAL)02:16
SpasticteapotHello, again!02:16
AmaranthineNighthaha02:16
AmaranthineNightHello02:17
pjgat09i was downloading fluxbuntu a little earlier, but i had to crash firefox, and it lost everything that was already downloaded02:17
SpasticteapotOy.02:17
AmaranthineNightI use 3rd party download managers for that very reason.02:17
SpasticteapotI like XFCE just fine.02:17
SpasticteapotBigfuzzyjesus - you had a 600m?02:18
SpasticteapotAre you sure it was'nt a 600x or 600e?02:18
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, pshya02:18
pjgat09meh, i actually like firefox's built in one02:18
bigfuzzyjesus600e02:18
AmaranthineNightI have a 600X02:18
SpasticteapotAh.02:18
bigfuzzyjesussorry for the typo02:18
SpasticteapotThe 600e works with 600x motherboards.02:18
pjgat09but i crashed it my self, no fault of firefox02:18
SpasticteapotI'd say you'll pay about $30 for one + shipping on eBay.02:18
pjgat09dont really remember why, probably a ram problem02:18
SpasticteapotThe video card is built into the motherboard, you see.02:18
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah but i am looking for a faster pc also02:19
AmaranthineNighti wish I could run xubuntu on my little thinkpad02:19
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah which is why it was weird that it failed (the video)02:19
SpasticteapotI've got a 1ghz Pentium-M.02:19
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, run fluxbuntu02:19
SpasticteapotIt happens - I've seen weirder.02:19
AmaranthineNightIt's got puppy right now. I'm pretty happy with it.02:19
SpasticteapotXFCE should run just fine on an 800mhz Pentium III.02:19
bigfuzzyjesusAmaranthineNight, puppy is a good distro02:19
AmaranthineNightIT had the drivers for a rather weird network card built in02:20
SpasticteapotI ran it on a 700mhz Celeron - worked great.02:20
SpasticteapotJust make sure you've got 384+ mb of RAM.02:20
AmaranthineNightDidn't feel like going to the trouble to find them for Fluxbuntu02:20
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, my 600 has a pentium 133mhz02:20
pjgat09hehe, the 100mhz i has doesnt even boot CD02:20
SpasticteapotHuh...02:21
kumamotoneed some good noise cancelling headphones with a mic boom any info02:21
SpasticteapotThat's odd.02:21
SpasticteapotThe 600e had a 400mhz Celeron stock.02:21
kumamotomy speakers are bothering the rest of the ppl in the house02:21
SpasticteapotNoise cancelling, eh?02:21
kumamotoyup02:21
SpasticteapotSure e3C's or Etymotic Research if you want earbuds.02:21
SpasticteapotThe E3C's are great - they just block out EVERYTHING.02:22
SpasticteapotThey don't need batteries, and because you can't hear anything outside of the headphones, you'll have the volume lower - which helps your ears.02:22
SpasticteapotIf you want big ol' headphones, I'd go with a pair of Sennheisers.02:22
kumamotofor sure I shell out some cash for SURE02:22
Spasticteapot:)02:23
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, or grado sr60's02:23
SpasticteapotThere was one other brand I had a pair of - big ol' studio headphones.02:23
SpasticteapotNo, SR60's are open. Noise gets in, and noise gets out.02:23
SpasticteapotClosed headphones are better if you want to avoid noise.02:23
SpasticteapotSR60's are nice, though.02:23
SpasticteapotAh, well...it does'nt matter. Sennheisers are good.02:24
kumamotoetymotic are pure earbud02:24
SpasticteapotBigfuzzyjesus, check this out:02:24
Spasticteapothttp://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?id=1144502:24
SpasticteapotEr, yes. They're good stuff, though.02:24
SpasticteapotThrow one of those CPUs plus a 600x motherboard into your 600e, and you have a half-decent laptop for under $100.02:24
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, oh i know they are open02:25
SpasticteapotVery economical, and more than adequate for Xubuntu.02:25
SpasticteapotKumamoto, what kind of speakers do you have?02:25
kumamotoone big creatives with surround sound02:26
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, it is just a ibm 60002:26
bigfuzzyjesusibm thinkpad 60002:27
Spasticteapot600x motherboard should fit, then.02:27
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, but it also only has a 4 gb drive02:27
AmaranthineNightI like my 600x, I just found it, booting it now...hope it still has an OS installed02:27
SpasticteapotThat's upgradable.02:27
SpasticteapotLaptop hard drives are not expensive these days.02:28
SpasticteapotYou can get a used 30gb drive for $40 or so.02:28
SpasticteapotActually, make that $30.02:28
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah, but i also need a linux compatable wireless card02:28
SpasticteapotI paid $25 for an Orinoco Gold.02:28
SpasticteapotI also paid $15 a while back for 3 Cisco cards that should work.02:29
Spasticteapot$5 each!02:29
SpasticteapotStill there?02:30
kumamotoI have 2 orinocos anyone want one02:30
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, the tft screen is also pretty beat up02:30
kumamotoone gold one silver02:30
SpasticteapotHow much?02:30
SpasticteapotBigfuzzyjesus, what's the LCD problem?02:30
kumamotopay shipping02:30
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, its just old, it has a spot where the trackpoint is, its real blotchy dead pixels, etc02:31
SpasticteapotYou might be better off just finding an old 600x and upgrading it.02:31
SpasticteapotAh.02:31
SpasticteapotGeneric old-laptop problems.02:31
SpasticteapotYeah, you'll want a new 600x.02:31
SpasticteapotYou can get a "barebones" laptop very cheaply.02:31
SpasticteapotBarebones means that it has no CPU, RAM, or hard drive tray.02:32
SpasticteapotOr power supply, or battery.02:32
SpasticteapotMove the power supply and hard drive tray from your old laptop, add a new hard drive, CPU, and RAM.02:32
AmaranthineNightWhat...does it have?02:32
SpasticteapotA barebones is a laptop without hard drive, CPU, memory, battery, or power adapter.02:32
bigfuzzyjesusidk im still thinking about buying a t41 because of proccessor speed, so i can dual boot xp and it has build in wireless02:32
SpasticteapotYou can add built-in wireless to a 600x, IIRC.02:33
SpasticteapotMini-PCI slot.02:33
SpasticteapotI know I'm a drag, but you'll save a fortune.02:33
SpasticteapotAnd the money you'll save can go towards a lightning-fast desktop.02:33
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah but i already have a pretty good desktop (without linux, just got it from a friend still need to install xubuntu)02:34
SpasticteapotWhat's in it?02:34
SpasticteapotRemember, laptops have non-upgradable video cards, and they're almost always slow.02:35
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bigfuzzyjesusAMD something or rather clocked at 1.2ghz, 120 drive, and a nvidia 680002:35
kumamotoI wonder how much dual monitor affect the power usage on video card02:35
SpasticteapotNot much.02:36
Jester45tri sucks it down02:36
SpasticteapotNvidia 6800?02:36
SpasticteapotWoah!02:36
Jester45at least for me02:36
SpasticteapotDitch the motherboard and CPU; get a new mobo, cpu, and RAM.02:36
Jester45wha size? res?02:36
Jester45whats yorr02:36
Jester45our ra802:36
Spasticteapot$40 will get you a K8 Neo4, $30 will get you a Sempron s939 3000+.02:36
Jester45aaaaaa02:36
SpasticteapotIt's a bit of a waste with a CPU that slow.02:37
Jester45what is your ram?02:37
kumamotoDoes anyone go to Fry's Electronics02:37
bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, yeah all it costs is money02:37
SpasticteapotNot personally.02:38
SpasticteapotI'd go for a cheaper laptop and upgrade that desktop.02:38
SpasticteapotYou'll get far, far better performance from that 6800 if you have a CPU and RAM to match.02:38
bigfuzzyjesusyeah probably02:39
kumamotoyou can cheap laptops on craigslist02:39
SpasticteapotNot so easily around here....02:39
Jester45RAM can make a lots of diffrent untill you hit diminishing returns02:39
AmaranthineNightI don't have a fry's near here.02:39
Spasticteapotbigfuzzyjesus:02:40
Spasticteapothttp://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Thinkpad-600X-Windows-2k-2645-E3U-Office-2000_W0QQitemZ160075677490QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem02:40
kumamotothe only beef I have with Fry's is that they don't have old stuff anything that is a month old seem to disappear quick02:40
SpasticteapotHas Win2K included.02:40
bigfuzzyjesusaw crap02:40
kumamotoany one using dual monitor i got a question02:40
bigfuzzyjesussomething with my xfce is messed02:41
AmaranthineNightWhat's up?02:41
nyu2I'm using a dual-head setup.02:41
SpasticteapotI've got a 12" LCD.02:41
Spasticteapot(can't help you much, I'm afraid.)02:41
kumamotodo u really need to use the "Secondmonitor" Directive ?02:41
nyu2You're using an nvidia card.02:42
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kumamotoreason I ask is that one of my monitors seems darker than the other even the monitor brightness set to max02:42
Jester45kumamoto: hehe im sorry never got to using more than one moniter in linux...but in windows i could help02:42
kumamotoyup nvidia02:42
bigfuzzyjesustrying to use the desktop button in the settings manager returns: no such plugin backdrop02:42
nyu2kumamoto, install 'nvidia-settings'.  It lets you set gamma, brightness and contrast on a per-monitor basis.02:43
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kumamotowon't that remove nvidia-glx02:43
dosnlinuxis there someone I could talk to about Ubuntu internals?02:43
nyu2kumamoto, I don't use the secondmonitor directive.  I have two seperate screens.02:44
Jester45crimsun: if he isnt afk02:44
dosnlinuxmore about why something was done instead of how02:44
nyu2kumamoto, I don't think do.  I have both installed, I believe.02:44
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nyu2s/do/so/02:45
kumamotoplease check before I <!@##@!%#$#> this machine up02:45
nyu2I'm doing that now.02:45
SpasticteapotAnyone know how to make GNUnet work?02:46
SpasticteapotI downloaded it, and it won't go.02:46
nyu2You're right, it does uninstall it.  But I think that nvidia-glx also contains it, since I have it available.02:46
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nyu2Opena term and try it.02:47
nyu2s/opena/open a/02:47
kumamotonyu2 check this link http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/setting-up-nvidia-drivers/ according it it can be done02:48
nyu2...?02:49
nyu2Just open a terminal, and type 'nvidia-', then hit tab twice.  You should see 'nvidia-settings' listed if it's on your system.02:50
kumamotothat is what I found out02:50
kumamotoman02:50
PowhaIs it possible to have LAMP on xubuntu?02:50
Jester45yes02:51
nyu2'lamp'?  You've got the linux part down already.  Just install perl, python, apache, and mysql.02:51
Powhathnx02:51
Powhanyu2: perhaps ;)02:51
nyu2Hm.  Is there a 'xubuntu/hurd' distro?02:52
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bigfuzzyjesusahh me system es flawed02:52
Spasticteapot?02:52
pjgat09oh yeh. what does xubuntu come installed with?02:52
pjgat09same as ubuntu?02:53
AmaranthineNightNot quite.02:53
AmaranthineNightNo OpenOffice02:53
AmaranthineNightIs the big one that sticks out in my mind02:53
AmaranthineNightBut it's easily installed, not a big deal02:54
pjgat09thats not too bad, i wasnt planning on using this as a main computer02:54
Jester45its 300mb of .deb files02:54
pjgat09it was going to become a web server02:54
AmaranthineNightIt's usable without installing anything...but I found myself installing stuff all over the place.02:54
Jester45so like 700 or more installed02:54
kumamotoI guess my second monitor is the one that is bad02:54
pjgat0960% on the Alt xubuntu download..02:55
AmaranthineNightBecause i'm picky and have 5 webbrowsers or so isntalled, and about 17 music managers....02:55
Jester45lol02:55
pjgat09which 5? :)02:56
AmaranthineNightEpiphany, Galeon, Firefox, Flock, Opera02:56
Jester45firefox mozzila dillo?02:56
Jester45darn02:56
AmaranthineNightTried seamonkey, but couldn't get it installed right.02:56
Jester45i have swiftfox firefox dillo lynx02:56
AmaranthineNightI have swiftfox too02:56
AmaranthineNightand lynx02:56
AmaranthineNightand Elinks02:56
Jester45i hate flock its so slow02:56
AmaranthineNightbut I didn't think they counted02:56
AmaranthineNighthaha02:56
AmaranthineNightNo dillo, because I hate it with a passion (I use it on my thinkpad though, firefox doesn't stand a chance)02:57
SpasticteapotWhat kind of CPU do you have in your thinkpad?02:57
AmaranthineNightHow would I check that?02:58
AmaranthineNightBecause I have no idea.02:58
AmaranthineNightMy uncle gave it to me because he didn't want it anymore...it's sitting on my lap and I'm chatting on IRC with it on another server at the same time as I'm using my Xubuntu desktop chatting on IRC here.02:59
AmaranthineNight:-)02:59
dosnlinuxcat /proc/cpuinfo02:59
AmaranthineNightWhat information from that do you want?03:00
AmaranthineNightModel name: Pentium III (Coppermine) cpu MHz: 498.297 chache size 256 KB03:00
AmaranthineNightWTF are "bogomips"?03:01
AmaranthineNightEh, nevermind...google is my friend.03:01
AmaranthineNighthaha!03:01
AmaranthineNightOh that's funny03:01
SpasticteapotAh...coppermine.03:02
SpasticteapotThat CPU I mentioned earlier - the 900mhz PII for $15 - would make a fine upgrade.03:02
AmaranthineNight"BogoMips" (From "bogus" and MIPS) is an unscientific measurement of CPU speed made by the Linux kernel when it boots, to calibrate an internal busy-loop. An oft-quoted definition of the term is "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing"03:02
SpasticteapotAlso, add another 256mb of RAM.03:02
AmaranthineNightIt does what I need it to do though, and firefox actually runs pretty well, believe it or not.03:03
AmaranthineNightI don't really need to upgrade.03:03
AmaranthineNightSomehow firefox starts faster than it does on my Xubuntu desktop...which is much newer, bigger, faster, etc. etc. etc.03:04
AmaranthineNightI dont' quite get it.03:04
SpasticteapotIt might be set to use a larger amount of RAM.03:05
SpasticteapotWho knows?03:05
AmaranthineNightWell, I'm using Puppy linux on the thinkpad03:05
kumamotowhat was that deal on big brother UK03:05
somerville32kumamoto, Please take offtopic chatter to #xubuntu-offtopic :)03:06
AmaranthineNightWhich is different from pretty much everything else out there, so I suppose it's got something to do with the way that whole thing works....03:06
kumamotooh crap I will go there03:06
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bigfuzzyjesusSpasticteapot, i think i am going to upgrade my desktop and my laptop, because i travel sometimes and would like to have a speedy laptop to use and a dvd drive :)03:07
Jester45somerville32: good job03:07
Jester45bigfuzzyjesus: go for lots of ram03:08
bigfuzzyjesusjester planning to run 512x203:08
Jester45on lappys for desktop03:09
Jester45what cpu03:09
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SpasticteapotThe T41 is a good choice, then.03:10
Jester45or*03:10
Jester45yuck... get emachine :003:10
Spasticteapotemachines?03:11
SpasticteapotErr...why?03:11
Jester45high quality :)03:11
AmaranthineNightteehee my current computer is way overkill03:11
AmaranthineNightfor xubuntu03:11
somerville32AmaranthineNight, Not possible ;] 03:12
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AmaranthineNightHaha...it's... Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz....XD.03:13
Jester45AmaranthineNight: why do you think xubuntu is for older machines only03:13
AmaranthineNightI don't03:13
Jester45and..03:13
AmaranthineNightI love it, and wouldn't use anything else03:13
AmaranthineNight:-D03:13
AmaranthineNightI'm using it right now to type this.03:13
Jester45i got amd 2.2 2gb ram03:13
AmaranthineNightSometimes I wish I had my KDE back though. I like it better, but KDE in Kubuntu is a bit bloated, it seems.03:14
AmaranthineNightI have another OS using KDE on another computer that runs a lot better.03:14
Jester45somtimes i wish i had my windows 3.1 back03:16
Jester45afk03:16
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AmaranthineNightWow, Windows 3.103:16
AmaranthineNightthose were the days, huh?03:17
AmaranthineNightI can barely remember it, I was really young when I had 3.103:17
AmaranthineNightIt was exciting getting to play with 95 for the first time at my Aunt's house after she got rid of her Apple.03:17
SpasticteapotI like apple - can't see what the beef with it is.03:17
AmaranthineNight*shrugs*03:18
AmaranthineNightI have no beef with apple.03:18
AmaranthineNightExcept for the price03:18
AmaranthineNightThey hurt you in your wallet.03:18
SpasticteapotNot so much anymore.03:20
SpasticteapotFor a Core2 Duo, you won't get much of a better deal than the macbook.03:20
SpasticteapotAnd the Mac Pro is not badly priced, considering that they'll be re-vamping it with two quad-core Xeons, or so I'veheard.03:21
AmaranthineNightI'm getting one, I can afford them, and the prices are definitely better than they used to be.03:21
AmaranthineNightI'm waiting until the summer though03:21
SpasticteapotThe laptops are also now made by Asus, and chipset burnout will no longer be an issue.03:21
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Spasticteapothuh?03:21
SpasticteapotTotally unrelated, but does anyone here have any reccomendations for Linux games.03:22
somerville32Yes! :)03:22
somerville32Battle for Wesnoth03:22
SpasticteapotIceBobble is fun...but I crave more!03:22
SpasticteapotAnything a little lighter?03:22
AmaranthineNightUhm03:22
AmaranthineNightHmm03:22
somerville32Battle for Wesnoth IS light03:22
somerville32It runs on my 333 w/128mb of ram just fine03:22
AmaranthineNightGlobulation2 is fun....but don't ask me what it runs on03:23
SpasticteapotI meant less involving.03:23
SpasticteapotI've got plenty of CPU power.03:23
somerville32xjump?03:23
AmaranthineNightI still love Gnibbles03:24
AmaranthineNighthaha03:24
jester_afkxoids?03:24
SpasticteapotI'll download 'em.03:24
SpasticteapotAs soon as I'm done downloading the eight gajillion libraries I needto comple gnunet.03:25
AmaranthineNightGlob2 is an RTS, pretty interesting....more fun if you can find some other people to play with.03:25
AmaranthineNightBut fat chance of that03:25
AmaranthineNighthaha03:25
somerville32bod is AMAZING03:25
SpasticteapotStupid packages are'nt downloading...03:25
jester_afksounds like a problem03:30
SpasticteapotNo, sounds like my wifi connection sucks.03:31
Spasticteapot:)03:31
AmaranthineNightThat sucks03:32
AmaranthineNightI've never had a problem with my connection.03:32
pjgat09mine seems to cut out when i use our cordless phone03:32
pjgat09not quite sure why03:32
AmaranthineNightThey operate at the same frequency for some reason03:33
pjgat09thats what i was thinking03:33
AmaranthineNightPhones operate around 2.4 ghz now for some strange reason.03:33
AmaranthineNightOr am I thinking something else03:33
pjgat09i have considered looking for a 5.8 ghz phone, so i dont get booted when i use the phone03:33
AmaranthineNighthaha03:33
AmaranthineNightMy old phone is like...900mhz03:33
somerville32Try pushing the channel button03:33
somerville32I saw this question on TechTV03:34
pjgat09hmm?03:34
AmaranthineNightYou can also change the router's channel.03:34
SpasticteapotIT sucks.03:34
pjgat09hmm, is that in the router settings page?03:34
SpasticteapotMicrowaves use the same frequency, too.03:34
AmaranthineNightYeah03:34
SpasticteapotIf someone nukes a burrito downstairs, I lose my connection.03:34
AmaranthineNightOn most routers anyway03:34
pjgat09i'll go check it out, while i burn alt xubuntu to a cd03:34
AmaranthineNightOn mine I can choose between 1 and 11 I think....I operate generally on 603:35
pjgat09oh, there we go03:35
pjgat09you're right, its on the same frequency, or just about03:35
pjgat09ill change it and see if it affects it later on03:36
pjgat09then again, i dont really have much of a choice03:36
AmaranthineNightNevermind, I'm on 1103:36
AmaranthineNight*shrugs*03:36
AmaranthineNightI thought it was 603:36
AmaranthineNightMaybe I used to be on 6 and changed to 11....03:36
AmaranthineNightI know my Wii wanted a certain channel at one point, maybe that's why I changed.03:37
pjgat092.412 ghz - 2.462 ghz03:37
pjgat09ill try switching it to 11 too, and see if it helps03:38
AmaranthineNightWhat are you on right now?03:40
pjgat09i was on 6, i switched to 1103:40
AmaranthineNightI don't know why, mine doesn't cut out when I use the microwave or the phone...maybe I"m just really lucky :-)03:40
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pjgat09is your phone 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz ?03:40
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RememberPOLDoes Xubuntu come with a cli web browser?03:42
somerville32You can install one if it doesn't ;] 03:42
RememberPOLokay03:43
RememberPOLlynx it is03:43
pjgat09aww, i probably should have asked this earlier, the alt xubuntu cd isnt a live cd03:43
AmaranthineNight2.403:47
pjgat09hmm, interesting03:47
pjgat09ill just keep the router on 11, and see if it helps03:47
AmaranthineNightmhm03:48
AmaranthineNightI like Elinks better than lynx, actually03:48
AmaranthineNightReally really really stupid question....does anyone know the shortcut key to switch workspaces?03:50
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AmaranthineNighteek03:51
AmaranthineNightaccidentally quit03:51
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AmaranthineNightNevermind....I made up my own.03:55
AmaranthineNightThat was easy :-)03:55
somerville32hehe04:00
somerville32:)04:00
AmaranthineNightlol04:02
AmaranthineNightsweet04:05
AmaranthineNightI have a terminal that is totally awesome04:11
AmaranthineNightI just downloaded tilda04:11
AmaranthineNightIt's so cool04:11

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