[12:39] <Vashi_Sama> Might anyone know if gfxboot is Xubunu compatible, just the same as it is in Ubuntu?
[12:41] <somerville32> What does gfxboot do?
[12:42] <Vashi_Sama> Gfxboot has the ability to make grub look nicer while retaining the same features Grub has in default.
[12:43] <Vashi_Sama> However, one of the biggest drawbacks of gfxboot is that it lacks of good documentation, because the only known is a small README distributed with the source, explaining some aspects of its Postscript like definition language.
[12:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, hello, do you have xfce 4.4.0 yet?
[12:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, or the new version of thunar
[12:45] <cellofellow> I have the Edgy version, and haven't updated my Feisty installation in a while
[12:45] <cellofellow> so, no
[12:45] <cellofellow> still 4.4rc2 or whatever
[12:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, yeah same, i am installing 4.4.0 right now on edgy
[12:47] <Vashi_Sama> Ah, never mind - it should work out as planned.
[12:47] <cellofellow> Gee, I haven't booted into Feisty in a week. The only thing I really needed was Linux 2.6.20 and I liked the new Gajim. But since I've given up on my video project, and Gajim in edgy seems to have updated itself, no need for Feisty ATM.
[12:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> whats gajim
[12:48] <cellofellow> Jabber client
[12:48] <cellofellow> Google Talk
[12:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> oh
[12:48] <Vashi_Sama> Is it in any way affiliated with gaim?
[12:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> whelp i like edgy and until FF is stable i will stay with edgy :)
[12:49] <cellofellow> Vashi_Sama: Gaim comes from the old name GNU AIM. Gajim is totally different. Gajim is jabber only, and has better jabber support than Gaim. Gajim is Python, Gaim is C.
[12:52] <Dante123> hi all......I installed ubuntu on a couple of machines that perhaps in hindsight would work better with xubuntu.....is there some way of putting xubuntu on their now......even though they already represent working ubuntu machines.....and if I do......will the ability to play a game like netpanzer (which requires physfs- which comes with ubuntu but not xubuntu) be lost?  Thanks for any help in advance.
[12:52] <Vashi_Sama> Interesting. I like the idea of implementing python.
[12:54] <cellofellow> Dante123: install the package xubuntu-desktop. Ubuntu will still be there, but you can use Xubuntu too. A two-in-one.
[12:59] <Dante123> ok...thanks.....will netpanzer still work???
[12:59] <bigfuzzyjesus> Dante123, sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[01:01] <cellofellow> Dante123: since it's two-in-one, yes
[01:08] <kumamoto> damn am happy my amarok is now working
[01:09] <cellofellow> Exaile for me.
[01:10] <AmaranthineNight> Hello.
[01:11] <Dante123> okay process begun.....now how will i invoke the xubuntu desktop....when rebooting?
[01:15] <Dante123> Hi all.....after installing xubuntu desktop (from ubuntu machine) how do I start the xubuntu desktop?
[01:18] <AmaranthineNight> There should be an option at the login screen to change your "Session" one of those sessions should be XFCE, if I'm not mistaken.
[01:18] <Dante123> thank you....
[01:19] <AmaranthineNight> Sorry I took so long
[01:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, !language
[01:20] <kumamoto> what?
[01:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> !language kumamoto
[01:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> !language
[01:21] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> :)
[01:21] <kumamoto> what language did I use to offend someone
[01:22] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, amorok comment
[01:23] <kumamoto> happy amarok is working is what is causing this frakas lord of his mercy
[01:24] <gunny01> A word starting with d and ending with mn
[01:24] <gunny01> A bit silly, but rules are rules
[01:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> gunny01, i agree a silly rule, but these rooms are supposed to be family friends
[01:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> friendly
[01:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Dante123, did it work, are you using xfce
[01:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, im in the us :)
[01:29] <darrend> that word is absolutely not considered offensive in general where I'm from either.  We find it vaguely amusing that Americans tend to get upset by it
[01:30] <darrend> ;)
[01:30] <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, where are you from
[01:30] <darrend> UK
[01:31] <kumamoto> I am in the US and you be am surprised
[01:31] <kumamoto> I mean you bet am surprised
[01:31] <AmaranthineNight> aw man, I missed it...what word?
[01:32] <darrend> don't worry, you didn't miss much at all
[01:32] <kumamoto> lol
[01:32] <somerville32> :S
[01:33] <darrend> though funnily enough, I could see a few people getting more upset about a nick like bigfuzzyjesus (being an atheist, I'm not one of 'em by the way)
[01:35] <kumamoto> I call it the pinnacle of hyprocrisy but that is where the US is going can't do nothing about it
[01:35] <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, i have gotten crap for it, to which i reply, i am a big harry hispanic and then i ask if they are racist (i too am atheist)
[01:35] <AmaranthineNight> Teehee. Politics and such.
[01:35] <AmaranthineNight> :-D
[01:35] <snook353> is glib_2.4 for stardict-gtk also known as libgtk?
[01:36] <darrend> ah, now *there's* a word considered far more offensive than damn in the uk :)
[01:36] <kumamoto> anyway enough of that 'wonder why mozilla-mplayer plugins crap out' either no sound or no pics no errors but 'Stopped'
[01:37] <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, what word
[01:37] <darrend> crap
[01:37] <bigfuzzyjesus> darrend, are you serious
[01:37] <AmaranthineNight> O.o?
[01:37] <darrend> absolutely
[01:37] <AmaranthineNight> That's puzzling
[01:37] <darrend> it still gets used a lot, but it's considered more offensive than damn (for example)
[01:38] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, but dman isnt offensive to them so, different places, different words
[01:38] <darrend> quite :)
[01:38] <bigfuzzyjesus> argh, xmms stopped
[01:38] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, does window transparency take many resources
[01:39] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, I imagine it rather resource intensive if you don't have a good video card
[01:40] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, yeah intel onboard doesnt qualify for a good videocard, i have a nvidia 5200 sitting around but i tryed for 30 min to use it on this computer and gave up
[01:42] <kumamoto> there is something wrong with those 5200 I had 2 dual vgas and they never seem to work
[01:42] <bigfuzzyjesus> i wish xmms had ipod support and a better library feature
[01:43] <kumamoto> that is why I never use xmms it is very archaic compared to players llke amarok or even audacious
[01:43] <gunny01> All you need is *a* card. I have an old GF MX440 and I can run Beyrl pretty well
[01:43] <kumamoto> amarok has ipod support with no issue
[01:43] <gunny01> And intel graphics aren't
[01:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, amarok uses too many resources
[01:44] <AmaranthineNight> Yeahhhh ouch.
[01:44] <AmaranthineNight> Amarok
[01:44] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, with xmms i can chat listen to music and browse the web, amarok chokes up mah system
[01:44] <AmaranthineNight> Ouch.
[01:44] <kumamoto> actually no especially that xubuntu doesn't install all the scripts or engines
[01:45] <kumamoto> I never seem to have any issue with it
[01:45] <nyu2> 'aoss amarok'.
[01:45] <nyu2> Or set up alsa's software mixer.
[01:45] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, how much ram do you have
[01:45] <Powha> Hi! I am planning to do a netboot setup do I need "DHCP server program" if I have router?
[01:45] <kumamoto> right now I have 256MB
[01:45] <kumamoto> not much these days of multiapps
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, same here, what proccessor speed
[01:46] <AmaranthineNight> I gave up on finding a music program that I actually like under linux. :-( Nothing meets my needs right now.
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, same here
[01:46] <Spasticteapot> Hello, folks!
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, hello
[01:46] <Spasticteapot> Anyone here have a reccomendation for a wifi manager!
[01:46] <kumamoto> amd xp 1500
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, have you ever used a thinkpad t41
[01:46] <AmaranthineNight> Everything I've found so far chokes on my collection.
[01:46] <Spasticteapot> Typed on one a bit - never owned one.
[01:46] <Spasticteapot> Beautiful laptops.
[01:46] <kumamoto> Spasticteapot, there was something I heard call avahi but no sure
[01:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> kumamoto, i have 900mhz of SUPER COMPUTING POWER
[01:47] <AmaranthineNight> o.o
[01:47] <Spasticteapot> I've got a 1ghz Pentium M.
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, how big IS your collection
[01:47] <Spasticteapot> 30% faster, tops.
[01:47] <Spasticteapot> Plenty for me.
[01:47] <n00b> Hi, This is my first attempt at installing linux, I'm getting "cs: pcmcia_socket 1: cardbus cards are not supported."
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah i wany one :)
[01:47] <AmaranthineNight> 67 gigabytes or so.....approaching 14,000 songs
[01:47] <kumamoto> bigfuzzyjesus that still too much for amarok
[01:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, i have 40 gigs and it chokes on my computer
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> What's the problem with your current laptop?
[01:48] <kumamoto> I have managed to run it on a 400Mhz but ofcource stripped to only what is needed
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> A 900mhz PIII with 384mb+ of RAM is plenty.
[01:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i have no current laptop
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> Oh.
[01:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> :)
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> A TP600 is nice if you're not afraid of a little work.
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> $120 will get you a working one off eBay.
[01:48] <Spasticteapot> $35 will get you a new battery (most cheap old laptops have bad batteries - they do eventually wear out.)
[01:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i had a thinkpad 600m running dsl but the video card broke
[01:49] <Spasticteapot> Video card?
[01:49] <Spasticteapot> Odd.
[01:49] <AmaranthineNight> Amarok is too slow, and I don't like the interface. I like the Rhythmbox interface, but it doesn't read my tags right and sometimes crashes trying to read my collection...and it's too slow searching through it. Qud Libet is almost good enough, but my computer ends up locking up if I try to multitask too much with a collection as big as mine.
[01:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i want to dual boot
[01:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, i have the exact same problem, only reasonable program i have found is quod libet
[01:50] <n00b> Any suggestions on getting my pcmcia working? I know the specs support cardbus (just barely)?
[01:50] <kumamoto> AmaranthineNight: true but it does it's job
[01:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah i know, it was at least 6 years old though
[01:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i cant remember when my dad got it (hand me down, like the rest of my hardware)
[01:50] <AmaranthineNight> I have a thinkpad 600 something or other lying around here.
[01:50] <AmaranthineNight> 600x I think.
[01:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, i would try #ubuntu
[01:51] <bigredradio> Anyone familiar with this trick using fusesmb: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300310
[01:51] <bigredradio> I am having permissions issues with fusesmb
[01:52] <somerville32> bigredradio, Did you add yourself to the fuse group?
[01:52] <bigredradio> The mount point changes permission to only root
[01:52] <bigredradio> somerville32: Where do I do that?
[01:52] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, Oh, for the mount point issue
[01:52] <n00b> bigfuzzyjesus: even tho i'm running xubuntu and dont have the specs to run ubuntu?
[01:52] <somerville32> Make sure you chown before you do it
[01:52] <somerville32> and then run it as you
[01:53] <gunny01> how do I access my usb drive? I plugged it in, it's blinking but it hasn't made desktop item like a cd or anything
[01:53] <bigredradio> somerville32: I do, it actually changes the permissions on the dir
[01:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, what moint point issues
[01:53] <somerville32> There is a fix
[01:53] <somerville32> but I forget what it is
[01:53] <somerville32> lol
[01:53] <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, same operating system different windows manager, its like using xp but not using explorer as the browser, same basic concept
[01:54] <kumamoto> gunny01, #dmesg | tail
[01:54] <bigfuzzyjesus> gunny01, do you have thunar
[01:54] <AmaranthineNight> I wish i could be more helpful, but I've had a pretty generally unproblematic run here.
[01:54] <n00b> bigfuzzyjesus: k, thanks for the clarification, i'll give #ubuntu a try
[01:54] <AmaranthineNight> So i don't know how to fix all of these problems.
[01:54] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, same, the only problems i have had i have caused
[01:54] <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, your welcome
[01:54] <kumamoto> gunny01, I think you will have to mount it manually
[01:54] <bigfuzzyjesus> n00b, also check the forums :)
[01:55] <bigfuzzyjesus> brb time to log out / reboot
[01:55] <AmaranthineNight> Earlier my system font was too big, but that's about the biggest problem I've had, and one quick google search fixed that for me.
[01:56] <AmaranthineNight> I also had a pain in the neck of a time getting a friend's Creative Vision M working, but I don't think there's anyone here who can use my expertise in that area...XD
[01:57] <somerville32> hehe
[01:59] <AmaranthineNight> So I'm basically not very helpful, but I try :-)
[01:59] <gunny01>  kumamoto: how?
[02:00] <AmaranthineNight> Isn't there a mounter thing in the panel, is that helpful at all?
[02:00] <kumamoto> if you run dmesg | tai
[02:00] <gunny01>  kumamoto: *tail?
[02:00] <kumamoto> sorry dmesg | tail it will tell if you it is a sda b d
[02:01] <gunny01>  kumamoto: as root?
[02:01] <kumamoto> dmesg actuall no need for root
[02:01] <kumamoto> but mounting must be root
[02:01] <kumamoto> if you find say sda then run sudo mount /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point
[02:02] <somerville32> Xubuntu will mount your USB discs automatically
[02:02] <kumamoto> it might tell u which filesystem it is say vfat or dos or ntfs where u can run #sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /path/to/mnt/point
[02:02] <nyu2> When is xubuntu going to commit the latest xfce?  The new thunar should do that automatically.
[02:03] <kumamoto> true xubuntu should mount it but what if it doesn't
[02:03] <nyu2> Or does it only handle it when a mount point is in the fstab?
[02:04] <somerville32> No, it automatically mounts if you add a USB disc
[02:04] <AmaranthineNight> I've never had an issue getting mine to automount, but I had to manually play with the FSTAB to get my friend's FAT32 partition mounted the other day.
[02:04] <somerville32> And in Feisty, it'll do all sorts of other devices too like your ipod
[02:05] <pjgat09> hi, i need a little help with xubuntu, i am trying to get the live CD to work
[02:05] <pjgat09> the CD boots fine, the login screen comes up, i wait the 10 seconds and let it login
[02:05] <pjgat09> but then all i get is the background image, it pauses, flashes to black and returns me to the login screen
[02:06] <somerville32> pjgat09, How much ram do you have?
[02:06] <pjgat09> 512mb ram, 450mhz processor (the reason i picked xubuntu)
[02:07] <AmaranthineNight> Wow, 450mhz. That's nuts. O.O
[02:07] <pjgat09> yes, its a very old computer, im attempting to turn it into a server
[02:07] <AmaranthineNight> That's awesome.
[02:07] <pjgat09> if only the live CD would work... :(
[02:08] <gunny01> try the alternitive install.
[02:08] <pjgat09> yeh, i was thinking of giving that a try
[02:08] <AmaranthineNight> I wish I could help you. My friend is having the same issue with his hard disk install, only it was working about 2 days ago and then suddenly kicked out on him. He tries to log in, and it flashes him back to the logins creen after a little while.
[02:08] <AmaranthineNight> But yeah, the alternative install is probably a good idea.
[02:09] <pjgat09> well then, ill spend another hour downloading that i guess
[02:10] <pjgat09> well thanks, ill let you know how it goes
[02:12] <somerville32> Computer: serenity | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 334.85Mhz | Model: Celeron (Mendocino) | Memory: 250MB Free: 69MB [          ]  | Diskspace: 40.07GB Free: 7.45GB | Video: S3 Inc. Savage 4 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 43.74MB Up: 6.68MB
[02:12] <somerville32> Mine is slower :P
[02:12] <AmaranthineNight> How do you do that?
[02:12] <somerville32> A script
[02:13] <AmaranthineNight> I meant, how do you get it to run on a computer like that?
[02:13] <somerville32> It runs just fine :P
[02:13] <AmaranthineNight> That's amazing.
[02:13] <pjgat09> yes, how do you get it to run on a computer like that?
[02:14] <pjgat09> i have a 100mhz, 128mb ram, 1.12gb HDD in my room  :P
[02:15] <AmaranthineNight> I have a computer that's 400mhz 128mb ram lying around here that I would love to run Xubuntu on, but it doesn't work for me. I must be cursed or something.
[02:15] <Spasticteapot> @#$@#$ wifi.
[02:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> lawl
[02:15] <Spasticteapot> Anyone still here?
[02:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> im so excited
[02:15] <AmaranthineNight> I'm here.
[02:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> and i just cant hide it
[02:15] <AmaranthineNight> Somerville32 is here, as of a minute or so ago
[02:15] <pjgat09> i want to get ubuntu running on that 100mhz, but im not so sure how that would go
[02:15] <bigfuzzyjesus> my nvidia card is working && i got the new version of xfce :)
[02:15] <Spasticteapot> And I think I lost my connection again.
[02:16] <bigfuzzyjesus> pjgat09, i would use dsl or puplinux for that
[02:16] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i be here
[02:16] <pjgat09> im not pasionate about getting it installed, but if i did it would be fun
[02:16] <AmaranthineNight> Fluxbuntu might work if you're really jonesing for an ubuntu-type system, but it's in early alpha last I checked (AND IS NOT OFFICIAL)
[02:16] <Spasticteapot> Hello, again!
[02:16] <AmaranthineNight> haha
[02:17] <AmaranthineNight> Hello
[02:17] <pjgat09> i was downloading fluxbuntu a little earlier, but i had to crash firefox, and it lost everything that was already downloaded
[02:17] <Spasticteapot> Oy.
[02:17] <AmaranthineNight> I use 3rd party download managers for that very reason.
[02:17] <Spasticteapot> I like XFCE just fine.
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus - you had a 600m?
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> Are you sure it was'nt a 600x or 600e?
[02:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, pshya
[02:18] <pjgat09> meh, i actually like firefox's built in one
[02:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> 600e
[02:18] <AmaranthineNight> I have a 600X
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> Ah.
[02:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> sorry for the typo
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> The 600e works with 600x motherboards.
[02:18] <pjgat09> but i crashed it my self, no fault of firefox
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> I'd say you'll pay about $30 for one + shipping on eBay.
[02:18] <pjgat09> dont really remember why, probably a ram problem
[02:18] <Spasticteapot> The video card is built into the motherboard, you see.
[02:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah but i am looking for a faster pc also
[02:19] <AmaranthineNight> i wish I could run xubuntu on my little thinkpad
[02:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah which is why it was weird that it failed (the video)
[02:19] <Spasticteapot> I've got a 1ghz Pentium-M.
[02:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, run fluxbuntu
[02:19] <Spasticteapot> It happens - I've seen weirder.
[02:19] <AmaranthineNight> It's got puppy right now. I'm pretty happy with it.
[02:19] <Spasticteapot> XFCE should run just fine on an 800mhz Pentium III.
[02:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> AmaranthineNight, puppy is a good distro
[02:20] <AmaranthineNight> IT had the drivers for a rather weird network card built in
[02:20] <Spasticteapot> I ran it on a 700mhz Celeron - worked great.
[02:20] <Spasticteapot> Just make sure you've got 384+ mb of RAM.
[02:20] <AmaranthineNight> Didn't feel like going to the trouble to find them for Fluxbuntu
[02:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, my 600 has a pentium 133mhz
[02:20] <pjgat09> hehe, the 100mhz i has doesnt even boot CD
[02:21] <Spasticteapot> Huh...
[02:21] <kumamoto> need some good noise cancelling headphones with a mic boom any info
[02:21] <Spasticteapot> That's odd.
[02:21] <Spasticteapot> The 600e had a 400mhz Celeron stock.
[02:21] <kumamoto> my speakers are bothering the rest of the ppl in the house
[02:21] <Spasticteapot> Noise cancelling, eh?
[02:21] <kumamoto> yup
[02:21] <Spasticteapot> Sure e3C's or Etymotic Research if you want earbuds.
[02:22] <Spasticteapot> The E3C's are great - they just block out EVERYTHING.
[02:22] <Spasticteapot> They don't need batteries, and because you can't hear anything outside of the headphones, you'll have the volume lower - which helps your ears.
[02:22] <Spasticteapot> If you want big ol' headphones, I'd go with a pair of Sennheisers.
[02:22] <kumamoto> for sure I shell out some cash for SURE
[02:23] <Spasticteapot> :)
[02:23] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, or grado sr60's
[02:23] <Spasticteapot> There was one other brand I had a pair of - big ol' studio headphones.
[02:23] <Spasticteapot> No, SR60's are open. Noise gets in, and noise gets out.
[02:23] <Spasticteapot> Closed headphones are better if you want to avoid noise.
[02:23] <Spasticteapot> SR60's are nice, though.
[02:24] <Spasticteapot> Ah, well...it does'nt matter. Sennheisers are good.
[02:24] <kumamoto> etymotic are pure earbud
[02:24] <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus, check this out:
[02:24] <Spasticteapot> http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?id=11445
[02:24] <Spasticteapot> Er, yes. They're good stuff, though.
[02:24] <Spasticteapot> Throw one of those CPUs plus a 600x motherboard into your 600e, and you have a half-decent laptop for under $100.
[02:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, oh i know they are open
[02:25] <Spasticteapot> Very economical, and more than adequate for Xubuntu.
[02:25] <Spasticteapot> Kumamoto, what kind of speakers do you have?
[02:26] <kumamoto> one big creatives with surround sound
[02:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, it is just a ibm 600
[02:27] <bigfuzzyjesus> ibm thinkpad 600
[02:27] <Spasticteapot> 600x motherboard should fit, then.
[02:27] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, but it also only has a 4 gb drive
[02:27] <AmaranthineNight> I like my 600x, I just found it, booting it now...hope it still has an OS installed
[02:27] <Spasticteapot> That's upgradable.
[02:28] <Spasticteapot> Laptop hard drives are not expensive these days.
[02:28] <Spasticteapot> You can get a used 30gb drive for $40 or so.
[02:28] <Spasticteapot> Actually, make that $30.
[02:28] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah, but i also need a linux compatable wireless card
[02:28] <Spasticteapot> I paid $25 for an Orinoco Gold.
[02:29] <Spasticteapot> I also paid $15 a while back for 3 Cisco cards that should work.
[02:29] <Spasticteapot> $5 each!
[02:30] <Spasticteapot> Still there?
[02:30] <kumamoto> I have 2 orinocos anyone want one
[02:30] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, the tft screen is also pretty beat up
[02:30] <kumamoto> one gold one silver
[02:30] <Spasticteapot> How much?
[02:30] <Spasticteapot> Bigfuzzyjesus, what's the LCD problem?
[02:30] <kumamoto> pay shipping
[02:31] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, its just old, it has a spot where the trackpoint is, its real blotchy dead pixels, etc
[02:31] <Spasticteapot> You might be better off just finding an old 600x and upgrading it.
[02:31] <Spasticteapot> Ah.
[02:31] <Spasticteapot> Generic old-laptop problems.
[02:31] <Spasticteapot> Yeah, you'll want a new 600x.
[02:31] <Spasticteapot> You can get a "barebones" laptop very cheaply.
[02:32] <Spasticteapot> Barebones means that it has no CPU, RAM, or hard drive tray.
[02:32] <Spasticteapot> Or power supply, or battery.
[02:32] <Spasticteapot> Move the power supply and hard drive tray from your old laptop, add a new hard drive, CPU, and RAM.
[02:32] <AmaranthineNight> What...does it have?
[02:32] <Spasticteapot> A barebones is a laptop without hard drive, CPU, memory, battery, or power adapter.
[02:32] <bigfuzzyjesus> idk im still thinking about buying a t41 because of proccessor speed, so i can dual boot xp and it has build in wireless
[02:33] <Spasticteapot> You can add built-in wireless to a 600x, IIRC.
[02:33] <Spasticteapot> Mini-PCI slot.
[02:33] <Spasticteapot> I know I'm a drag, but you'll save a fortune.
[02:33] <Spasticteapot> And the money you'll save can go towards a lightning-fast desktop.
[02:34] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah but i already have a pretty good desktop (without linux, just got it from a friend still need to install xubuntu)
[02:34] <Spasticteapot> What's in it?
[02:35] <Spasticteapot> Remember, laptops have non-upgradable video cards, and they're almost always slow.
[02:35] <bigfuzzyjesus> AMD something or rather clocked at 1.2ghz, 120 drive, and a nvidia 6800
[02:35] <kumamoto> I wonder how much dual monitor affect the power usage on video card
[02:36] <Spasticteapot> Not much.
[02:36] <Jester45> tri sucks it down
[02:36] <Spasticteapot> Nvidia 6800?
[02:36] <Spasticteapot> Woah!
[02:36] <Jester45> at least for me
[02:36] <Spasticteapot> Ditch the motherboard and CPU; get a new mobo, cpu, and RAM.
[02:36] <Jester45> wha size? res?
[02:36] <Jester45> whats yorr
[02:36] <Jester45> our ra8
[02:36] <Spasticteapot> $40 will get you a K8 Neo4, $30 will get you a Sempron s939 3000+.
[02:36] <Jester45> aaaaaa
[02:37] <Spasticteapot> It's a bit of a waste with a CPU that slow.
[02:37] <Jester45> what is your ram?
[02:37] <kumamoto> Does anyone go to Fry's Electronics
[02:37] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, yeah all it costs is money
[02:38] <Spasticteapot> Not personally.
[02:38] <Spasticteapot> I'd go for a cheaper laptop and upgrade that desktop.
[02:38] <Spasticteapot> You'll get far, far better performance from that 6800 if you have a CPU and RAM to match.
[02:39] <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah probably
[02:39] <kumamoto> you can cheap laptops on craigslist
[02:39] <Spasticteapot> Not so easily around here....
[02:39] <Jester45> RAM can make a lots of diffrent untill you hit diminishing returns
[02:39] <AmaranthineNight> I don't have a fry's near here.
[02:40] <Spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus:
[02:40] <Spasticteapot> http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Thinkpad-600X-Windows-2k-2645-E3U-Office-2000_W0QQitemZ160075677490QQihZ006QQcategoryZ140083QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[02:40] <kumamoto> the only beef I have with Fry's is that they don't have old stuff anything that is a month old seem to disappear quick
[02:40] <Spasticteapot> Has Win2K included.
[02:40] <bigfuzzyjesus> aw crap
[02:40] <kumamoto> any one using dual monitor i got a question
[02:41] <bigfuzzyjesus> something with my xfce is messed
[02:41] <AmaranthineNight> What's up?
[02:41] <nyu2> I'm using a dual-head setup.
[02:41] <Spasticteapot> I've got a 12" LCD.
[02:41] <Spasticteapot> (can't help you much, I'm afraid.)
[02:41] <kumamoto> do u really need to use the "Secondmonitor" Directive ?
[02:42] <nyu2> You're using an nvidia card.
[02:42] <kumamoto> reason I ask is that one of my monitors seems darker than the other even the monitor brightness set to max
[02:42] <Jester45> kumamoto: hehe im sorry never got to using more than one moniter in linux...but in windows i could help
[02:42] <kumamoto> yup nvidia
[02:42] <bigfuzzyjesus> trying to use the desktop button in the settings manager returns: no such plugin backdrop
[02:43] <nyu2> kumamoto, install 'nvidia-settings'.  It lets you set gamma, brightness and contrast on a per-monitor basis.
[02:43] <kumamoto> won't that remove nvidia-glx
[02:43] <dosnlinux> is there someone I could talk to about Ubuntu internals?
[02:44] <nyu2> kumamoto, I don't use the secondmonitor directive.  I have two seperate screens.
[02:44] <Jester45> crimsun: if he isnt afk
[02:44] <dosnlinux> more about why something was done instead of how
[02:44] <nyu2> kumamoto, I don't think do.  I have both installed, I believe.
[02:45] <nyu2> s/do/so/
[02:45] <kumamoto> please check before I <!@##@!%#$#> this machine up
[02:45] <nyu2> I'm doing that now.
[02:46] <Spasticteapot> Anyone know how to make GNUnet work?
[02:46] <Spasticteapot> I downloaded it, and it won't go.
[02:46] <nyu2> You're right, it does uninstall it.  But I think that nvidia-glx also contains it, since I have it available.
[02:47] <nyu2> Opena term and try it.
[02:47] <nyu2> s/opena/open a/
[02:48] <kumamoto> nyu2 check this link http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/setting-up-nvidia-drivers/ according it it can be done
[02:49] <nyu2> ...?
[02:50] <nyu2> Just open a terminal, and type 'nvidia-', then hit tab twice.  You should see 'nvidia-settings' listed if it's on your system.
[02:50] <kumamoto> that is what I found out
[02:50] <kumamoto> man
[02:50] <Powha> Is it possible to have LAMP on xubuntu?
[02:51] <Jester45> yes
[02:51] <nyu2> 'lamp'?  You've got the linux part down already.  Just install perl, python, apache, and mysql.
[02:51] <Powha> thnx
[02:51] <Powha> nyu2: perhaps ;)
[02:52] <nyu2> Hm.  Is there a 'xubuntu/hurd' distro?
[02:52] <bigfuzzyjesus> ahh me system es flawed
[02:52] <Spasticteapot> ?
[02:52] <pjgat09> oh yeh. what does xubuntu come installed with?
[02:53] <pjgat09> same as ubuntu?
[02:53] <AmaranthineNight> Not quite.
[02:53] <AmaranthineNight> No OpenOffice
[02:53] <AmaranthineNight> Is the big one that sticks out in my mind
[02:54] <AmaranthineNight> But it's easily installed, not a big deal
[02:54] <pjgat09> thats not too bad, i wasnt planning on using this as a main computer
[02:54] <Jester45> its 300mb of .deb files
[02:54] <pjgat09> it was going to become a web server
[02:54] <AmaranthineNight> It's usable without installing anything...but I found myself installing stuff all over the place.
[02:54] <Jester45> so like 700 or more installed
[02:54] <kumamoto> I guess my second monitor is the one that is bad
[02:55] <pjgat09> 60% on the Alt xubuntu download..
[02:55] <AmaranthineNight> Because i'm picky and have 5 webbrowsers or so isntalled, and about 17 music managers....
[02:55] <Jester45> lol
[02:56] <pjgat09> which 5? :)
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> Epiphany, Galeon, Firefox, Flock, Opera
[02:56] <Jester45> firefox mozzila dillo?
[02:56] <Jester45> darn
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> Tried seamonkey, but couldn't get it installed right.
[02:56] <Jester45> i have swiftfox firefox dillo lynx
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> I have swiftfox too
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> and lynx
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> and Elinks
[02:56] <Jester45> i hate flock its so slow
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> but I didn't think they counted
[02:56] <AmaranthineNight> haha
[02:57] <AmaranthineNight> No dillo, because I hate it with a passion (I use it on my thinkpad though, firefox doesn't stand a chance)
[02:57] <Spasticteapot> What kind of CPU do you have in your thinkpad?
[02:58] <AmaranthineNight> How would I check that?
[02:58] <AmaranthineNight> Because I have no idea.
[02:59] <AmaranthineNight> My uncle gave it to me because he didn't want it anymore...it's sitting on my lap and I'm chatting on IRC with it on another server at the same time as I'm using my Xubuntu desktop chatting on IRC here.
[02:59] <AmaranthineNight> :-)
[02:59] <dosnlinux> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[03:00] <AmaranthineNight> What information from that do you want?
[03:00] <AmaranthineNight> Model name: Pentium III (Coppermine) cpu MHz: 498.297 chache size 256 KB
[03:01] <AmaranthineNight> WTF are "bogomips"?
[03:01] <AmaranthineNight> Eh, nevermind...google is my friend.
[03:01] <AmaranthineNight> haha!
[03:01] <AmaranthineNight> Oh that's funny
[03:02] <Spasticteapot> Ah...coppermine.
[03:02] <Spasticteapot> That CPU I mentioned earlier - the 900mhz PII for $15 - would make a fine upgrade.
[03:02] <AmaranthineNight> "BogoMips" (From "bogus" and MIPS) is an unscientific measurement of CPU speed made by the Linux kernel when it boots, to calibrate an internal busy-loop. An oft-quoted definition of the term is "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing"
[03:02] <Spasticteapot> Also, add another 256mb of RAM.
[03:03] <AmaranthineNight> It does what I need it to do though, and firefox actually runs pretty well, believe it or not.
[03:03] <AmaranthineNight> I don't really need to upgrade.
[03:04] <AmaranthineNight> Somehow firefox starts faster than it does on my Xubuntu desktop...which is much newer, bigger, faster, etc. etc. etc.
[03:04] <AmaranthineNight> I dont' quite get it.
[03:05] <Spasticteapot> It might be set to use a larger amount of RAM.
[03:05] <Spasticteapot> Who knows?
[03:05] <AmaranthineNight> Well, I'm using Puppy linux on the thinkpad
[03:05] <kumamoto> what was that deal on big brother UK
[03:06] <somerville32> kumamoto, Please take offtopic chatter to #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[03:06] <AmaranthineNight> Which is different from pretty much everything else out there, so I suppose it's got something to do with the way that whole thing works....
[03:06] <kumamoto> oh crap I will go there
[03:07] <bigfuzzyjesus> Spasticteapot, i think i am going to upgrade my desktop and my laptop, because i travel sometimes and would like to have a speedy laptop to use and a dvd drive :)
[03:07] <Jester45> somerville32: good job
[03:08] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: go for lots of ram
[03:08] <bigfuzzyjesus> jester planning to run 512x2
[03:09] <Jester45> on lappys for desktop
[03:09] <Jester45> what cpu
[03:10] <Spasticteapot> The T41 is a good choice, then.
[03:10] <Jester45> or*
[03:10] <Jester45> yuck... get emachine :0
[03:11] <Spasticteapot> emachines?
[03:11] <Spasticteapot> Err...why?
[03:11] <Jester45> high quality :)
[03:11] <AmaranthineNight> teehee my current computer is way overkill
[03:11] <AmaranthineNight> for xubuntu
[03:12] <somerville32> AmaranthineNight, Not possible ;] 
[03:13] <AmaranthineNight> Haha...it's... Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz....XD.
[03:13] <Jester45> AmaranthineNight: why do you think xubuntu is for older machines only
[03:13] <AmaranthineNight> I don't
[03:13] <Jester45> and..
[03:13] <AmaranthineNight> I love it, and wouldn't use anything else
[03:13] <AmaranthineNight> :-D
[03:13] <AmaranthineNight> I'm using it right now to type this.
[03:13] <Jester45> i got amd 2.2 2gb ram
[03:14] <AmaranthineNight> Sometimes I wish I had my KDE back though. I like it better, but KDE in Kubuntu is a bit bloated, it seems.
[03:14] <AmaranthineNight> I have another OS using KDE on another computer that runs a lot better.
[03:16] <Jester45> somtimes i wish i had my windows 3.1 back
[03:16] <Jester45> afk
[03:16] <AmaranthineNight> Wow, Windows 3.1
[03:17] <AmaranthineNight> those were the days, huh?
[03:17] <AmaranthineNight> I can barely remember it, I was really young when I had 3.1
[03:17] <AmaranthineNight> It was exciting getting to play with 95 for the first time at my Aunt's house after she got rid of her Apple.
[03:17] <Spasticteapot> I like apple - can't see what the beef with it is.
[03:18] <AmaranthineNight> *shrugs*
[03:18] <AmaranthineNight> I have no beef with apple.
[03:18] <AmaranthineNight> Except for the price
[03:18] <AmaranthineNight> They hurt you in your wallet.
[03:20] <Spasticteapot> Not so much anymore.
[03:20] <Spasticteapot> For a Core2 Duo, you won't get much of a better deal than the macbook.
[03:21] <Spasticteapot> And the Mac Pro is not badly priced, considering that they'll be re-vamping it with two quad-core Xeons, or so I'veheard.
[03:21] <AmaranthineNight> I'm getting one, I can afford them, and the prices are definitely better than they used to be.
[03:21] <AmaranthineNight> I'm waiting until the summer though
[03:21] <Spasticteapot> The laptops are also now made by Asus, and chipset burnout will no longer be an issue.
[03:21] <Spasticteapot> huh?
[03:22] <Spasticteapot> Totally unrelated, but does anyone here have any reccomendations for Linux games.
[03:22] <somerville32> Yes! :)
[03:22] <somerville32> Battle for Wesnoth
[03:22] <Spasticteapot> IceBobble is fun...but I crave more!
[03:22] <Spasticteapot> Anything a little lighter?
[03:22] <AmaranthineNight> Uhm
[03:22] <AmaranthineNight> Hmm
[03:22] <somerville32> Battle for Wesnoth IS light
[03:22] <somerville32> It runs on my 333 w/128mb of ram just fine
[03:23] <AmaranthineNight> Globulation2 is fun....but don't ask me what it runs on
[03:23] <Spasticteapot> I meant less involving.
[03:23] <Spasticteapot> I've got plenty of CPU power.
[03:23] <somerville32> xjump?
[03:24] <AmaranthineNight> I still love Gnibbles
[03:24] <AmaranthineNight> haha
[03:24] <jester_afk> xoids?
[03:24] <Spasticteapot> I'll download 'em.
[03:25] <Spasticteapot> As soon as I'm done downloading the eight gajillion libraries I needto comple gnunet.
[03:25] <AmaranthineNight> Glob2 is an RTS, pretty interesting....more fun if you can find some other people to play with.
[03:25] <AmaranthineNight> But fat chance of that
[03:25] <AmaranthineNight> haha
[03:25] <somerville32> bod is AMAZING
[03:25] <Spasticteapot> Stupid packages are'nt downloading...
[03:30] <jester_afk> sounds like a problem
[03:31] <Spasticteapot> No, sounds like my wifi connection sucks.
[03:31] <Spasticteapot> :)
[03:32] <AmaranthineNight> That sucks
[03:32] <AmaranthineNight> I've never had a problem with my connection.
[03:32] <pjgat09> mine seems to cut out when i use our cordless phone
[03:32] <pjgat09> not quite sure why
[03:33] <AmaranthineNight> They operate at the same frequency for some reason
[03:33] <pjgat09> thats what i was thinking
[03:33] <AmaranthineNight> Phones operate around 2.4 ghz now for some strange reason.
[03:33] <AmaranthineNight> Or am I thinking something else
[03:33] <pjgat09> i have considered looking for a 5.8 ghz phone, so i dont get booted when i use the phone
[03:33] <AmaranthineNight> haha
[03:33] <AmaranthineNight> My old phone is like...900mhz
[03:33] <somerville32> Try pushing the channel button
[03:34] <somerville32> I saw this question on TechTV
[03:34] <pjgat09> hmm?
[03:34] <AmaranthineNight> You can also change the router's channel.
[03:34] <Spasticteapot> IT sucks.
[03:34] <pjgat09> hmm, is that in the router settings page?
[03:34] <Spasticteapot> Microwaves use the same frequency, too.
[03:34] <AmaranthineNight> Yeah
[03:34] <Spasticteapot> If someone nukes a burrito downstairs, I lose my connection.
[03:34] <AmaranthineNight> On most routers anyway
[03:34] <pjgat09> i'll go check it out, while i burn alt xubuntu to a cd
[03:35] <AmaranthineNight> On mine I can choose between 1 and 11 I think....I operate generally on 6
[03:35] <pjgat09> oh, there we go
[03:35] <pjgat09> you're right, its on the same frequency, or just about
[03:36] <pjgat09> ill change it and see if it affects it later on
[03:36] <pjgat09> then again, i dont really have much of a choice
[03:36] <AmaranthineNight> Nevermind, I'm on 11
[03:36] <AmaranthineNight> *shrugs*
[03:36] <AmaranthineNight> I thought it was 6
[03:36] <AmaranthineNight> Maybe I used to be on 6 and changed to 11....
[03:37] <AmaranthineNight> I know my Wii wanted a certain channel at one point, maybe that's why I changed.
[03:37] <pjgat09> 2.412 ghz - 2.462 ghz
[03:38] <pjgat09> ill try switching it to 11 too, and see if it helps
[03:40] <AmaranthineNight> What are you on right now?
[03:40] <pjgat09> i was on 6, i switched to 11
[03:40] <AmaranthineNight> I don't know why, mine doesn't cut out when I use the microwave or the phone...maybe I"m just really lucky :-)
[03:40] <pjgat09> is your phone 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz ?
[03:42] <RememberPOL> Does Xubuntu come with a cli web browser?
[03:42] <somerville32> You can install one if it doesn't ;] 
[03:43] <RememberPOL> okay
[03:43] <RememberPOL> lynx it is
[03:43] <pjgat09> aww, i probably should have asked this earlier, the alt xubuntu cd isnt a live cd
[03:47] <AmaranthineNight> 2.4
[03:47] <pjgat09> hmm, interesting
[03:47] <pjgat09> ill just keep the router on 11, and see if it helps
[03:48] <AmaranthineNight> mhm
[03:48] <AmaranthineNight> I like Elinks better than lynx, actually
[03:50] <AmaranthineNight> Really really really stupid question....does anyone know the shortcut key to switch workspaces?
[03:51] <AmaranthineNight> eek
[03:51] <AmaranthineNight> accidentally quit
[03:55] <AmaranthineNight> Nevermind....I made up my own.
[03:55] <AmaranthineNight> That was easy :-)
[04:00] <somerville32> hehe
[04:00] <somerville32> :)
[04:02] <AmaranthineNight> lol
[04:05] <AmaranthineNight> sweet
[04:11] <AmaranthineNight> I have a terminal that is totally awesome
[04:11] <AmaranthineNight> I just downloaded tilda
[04:11] <AmaranthineNight> It's so cool