[12:56] <Hobbsee> heya Jucato!
[01:00] <Jucato> I sincerely find this funny... "<dope> someone skype me"
[01:16] <ryanakca> Hey Jucato, Hobbsee
[01:16] <Jucato> hi ryanakca!
[01:16] <ryanakca> Jucato: what's up? started/working on any new projects?
[01:17] <Jucato> ryanakca: not yet...
[01:17] <Jucato> still busy with RL and SL...
[01:18] <ryanakca> ah... SL?
[01:18] <Jucato> Real Life and Second Life :)
[01:18] <ryanakca> oh...
[01:19] <ryanakca> hmm... nope... I'm just a bot written by some old geezer back in the 90s... :D
[01:19] <Jucato> lol
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hey ryanakca!
[01:35] <ryanakca> hmm... is firefox hanging a lot on your comp?
[01:35] <ryanakca> mine doesn't crash or anything... just hangs there...
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: kill *all* the firefox processes, and try again
[01:36] <crimsun> ``pkill firefoxbin''
[01:36] <Hobbsee> ah yes - but has that killed them all?  :P
[01:36] <crimsun> + -
[01:37] <crimsun> (kde-356-test works a charm, btw.)
[01:39] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: dunno... I assumed killall kills them all...
[01:39] <Hobbsee> sometimes
[02:17] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: same thing :)
[02:18] <gnomefreak> not with firefox for some reason
[02:20] <gnomefreak> killall will do it but you have to kill the -bin for some reason
[02:20] <ryanakca> yeah
[06:01] <Hobbsee> well, it can be...but it's very simple, and very easy to pick up
[06:02] <Hobbsee> i mean, the OSX stuff (quicksilver, i think) is very well known - and that's not regarded as an advanced feature either
[06:05] <LongPointyStick> hey mhb!
[06:06] <Dink> I couldnt find a bug for adept_manager and the fetch updates issue where it says to New version hit next then nothing happens... is this a new bug ??
[06:07] <Jucato> for feisty,yes
[06:08] <Dink> k, so its a known issue
[06:08] <Hobbsee> should be under adept bugs...
[06:08] <Hobbsee> but yeah, that's known
[06:09] <Hobbsee> there's a bug hiding there somewhere
[06:09] <Jucato> maybe it's filed upstream?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> hrm.  this is scary
[06:15] <Jucato> what is?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> a friend from school has managed to find my myspace page.
[06:15] <Jucato> O.o
[06:15] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: http://myspace.com/creamier_oak
[06:16] <Jucato> heh you're the first search result anyway :)
[06:16] <Jucato> ack!! the lights!!!
[06:17] <Jucato> how often do you view your myspace homepage? :D
[06:18] <Hobbsee> hehe :D
[06:18] <Hobbsee> read the comments :P
[06:19] <Jucato> I can barely look at that page :)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:21] <Hobbsee>  Ness
[06:21] <Hobbsee> 	Jun 25 2006 11:50P
[06:21] <Hobbsee> The longer you look at it, the less it bothers you... seriously!
[06:22] <Jucato> rofl
[06:25] <Hobbsee> oh?
[06:26] <Jucato> needs a lot of space... :)
[06:26] <Jucato> btw, any reactions from Ubuntu regarding the latest CNR announcement?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> why, what's it say?
[06:27] <Jucato> "Support for different Linux distributions will begin in the second quarter of 2007 via a new website, CNR.com. Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu will be the first supported, with others planned to follow."
[06:28] <Jucato> that was a quote from an article. here's the official website (see our logo) http://www.cnr.com/
[06:28] <Jucato> or Ubuntu's logo rather
[06:29] <Jucato> http://www.cnr.com/press.html <-- official press release
[06:33] <Hobbsee> fun
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: if they do it right, that should be a huge help
[06:34] <Jucato> hope they do it right :)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> well, they say they're going to build around the existing systems
[06:37] <Jucato> I don't know enough of Linspire's reputation to have any comment on that... all I know is that Kevin Carmony and sabdfl seem to be friends
[06:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh, neat
[07:09] <fdoving> morning.
[07:10] <Jucato> morning fdoving!
[07:10] <fdoving> hi jucato.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hey fdoving!
[07:11] <fdoving> hi hobbsee. you got main upload rights?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> fdoving: nope
[07:11] <Hobbsee> fdoving: went once, got declined.  why/
[07:12] <fdoving> ok. i have a new kopete package.. that fixes bug 81180.
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81180 in kopete "kopete does not send photo from global identity for MSN" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81180
[07:13] <fdoving> anyway, off to work. see you all later. bye.
[07:16] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that's been committed to feisty?
[07:20] <Hobbsee> hrm.  it wont have been committed to our testing packages, i'll bet
[08:38] <Xerroz> whats the proper way to setup a development environment for a kde based project?
[09:20] <Riddell> Xerroz: however you like, best place to ask is on #kde-devel with a more specific question
[09:25] <Xerroz> tried that :-\ no one will talk
[11:32] <raphink> is it me or kgpg hasn't been touched at all since 2004?
[11:36] <raphink> ah no I'm wrong
[11:39] <Riddell> wouldn't surprise me
[11:39] <Riddell> it's unmaintained
[11:39] <Riddell> really needs starting from scratch with libgpgme
[11:42] <Riddell> and preferably in python :)
[11:52] <Riddell> new kdelibs up http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/pool-feisty/kdelibs/
[11:52] <Riddell> mhb: about to test if they fix kopete?
[11:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee?
[11:52] <Riddell> anyone on 3.5.6?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> Riddell: yeah
[11:55] <Riddell> gnomefreak: able to wget and dpkg --install those .debs ?
[11:55] <gnomefreak> sure
[11:55] <Riddell> and test if they fix kopete's lack of popups?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> k
[11:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, was at dinner
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how can we test this?
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: works.
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *poke poke* :)
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Riddell: also works here
[12:11] <Riddell> awooga
[12:11] <Riddell> thanks all, I'll compile it for edgy
[12:12] <Riddell> in triplicate
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: enjoy :P
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when will these hit the repos?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> s/repos/archives
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: speaking of which, can you sponsor an upload for me please?
[12:14] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: when the KDE release dude releases it
[12:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sure
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ah ha :)  just got dholbach to do it :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> thought it was supposed to be released yesterday
[12:18] <Riddell> tech board has never actually approved me for core dev, just that nobody has noticed yet
[12:18] <Hobbsee> well, i hope they dont take yoru rights away from you, else where would kubuntu be?
[12:18] <Riddell> it was supposed to be, but it got delayed due to this kopete bug
[12:18] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:20] <Jucato> Archlinux seems to have released 3.5.6 without waiting for the official release announcement
[12:23] <Riddell> as has pclinuxos
[12:23] <Riddell> much to the annoyance of important KDE people
[12:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that was an upload of speedcrunch, fyi
[12:29] <gnomefreak> anyone feel like fixing kooldock?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:56] <Jucato> is there any news regarding the porting of gdebi to Kubuntu?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> isnt that a forum thing?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> in fact, isnt there a kde thing before gdebi?
[01:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: wasn't that one of the things Riddell wanted for feisty?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there's already a "right click on deb, install" thing there..
[01:58] <Jucato> yes, but that's just a "hack". it just launches xterm with the dpkg command
[01:59] <Jucato> it's also not the default action when you click on a .deb (default is to open it in Ark)
[01:59] <Hobbsee> ah, right, yes
[01:59] <Riddell> Jucato: nobody's working on it, it hasn't been spec'ed
[01:59] <Jucato> ah...
[02:00] <Riddell> Jucato: volunteers welcome :)
[02:00] <Riddell> but it depends on the konsole work that I'm doing now with mvo
[02:00] <Jucato> Riddell: need to learn C++ first (still learning... I'm getting there...) :D
[02:00] <Jucato> aah
[02:01] <Riddell> Jucato: it's python
[02:01] <Jucato> oh...
[02:01] <Jucato> manchicken won't be intersted then...
[02:07] <Riddell> wrong distro for someone who doesn't like python :)
[02:07] <Riddell> (not really)
[02:07] <Jucato> hahah
[02:22] <Tonio_> hi
[02:23] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[02:23] <gnomefreak> anyone german?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> ich nicht spreke Deutsch
[02:23] <Jucato> lol
[02:23] <gnomefreak> you speak dutch
[02:23] <gnomefreak> your not even
[02:24] <gnomefreak> nicht == not i think
[02:24] <Jucato> then she's odd?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Nein, ich nicht spreke Dutch aber Deutsch
[02:24] <hunger> gnomefreak: I am.
[02:24] <gnomefreak> chaostreffpunkt
[02:24] <gnomefreak> what is that in english?
[02:24] <hunger> Hobbsee: Nein, ich spreche weder Hollndisch noch Deutsch.
[02:24] <hunger> gnomefreak: Is there CCC mentioned somewhere?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> hunger: heh
[02:25] <gnomefreak> no
[02:25] <gnomefreak> its chaos meeting place i just found out
[02:25] <hunger> gnomefreak: If it is then it is a place where members of the Chaos Computer Club meet each other.
[02:26] <gnomefreak> ty
[02:26] <hunger> gnomefreak: I'd guess it is something CCC related... it does not make much sense in any other context:-)
[02:27] <gnomefreak> ah ok there sa channel on freenode #ubuntu-de-chaostreffpunkt trying to figure out what it was
[03:26] <Jucato> do we have a devel package for hspell?
[03:37] <mhb> Riddell: anything more to test?
[03:54] <Jucato> hi manchicken! hi bddebian
[03:54] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:02] <Riddell> mhb: edgy in a bit if you have that
[04:02] <mhb> Riddell: no, feisty only
[04:03] <Riddell> mhb: still worth testing feisty :)
[04:04] <mhb> Riddell: see -testers
[04:30] <manchicken> wuddup Jucato?
[06:50] <mhb> is KDE4 going to have a separate IRC and IM client?
[06:50] <sebas> mhb: Check out the kde-devel list, there is a huuuuuuuuuge thread about that just now going on.
[06:50] <yuriy> there's already a separate irc client..
[06:51] <mhb> sebas: oh, didn't know that
[06:52] <sebas> No problem, just coincidence
[06:52] <mhb> yuriy: yes, but Kubuntu has been trying to remove duplicate functionality recently
[06:55] <yuriy> the move ksirc to extragear thread?
[06:55] <fdoving> i don't think konversation will be removed for the irc plugin in kopete.. ever.
[06:55] <fdoving> in kubuntu, that is.
[06:58] <mhb> fdoving: OTOH I hope it will be :o) but I know Kopete would need some "Konversation"-isation in order to be a functional IRC client
[06:58] <fdoving> i'm totaly agains the idea of having one app that does everything.
[06:59] <mhb> fdoving: we do have an app that does everything music, one that does everything video ...
[07:01] <mhb> fdoving: ... and we include two IM apps that do the same thing.
[07:01] <yuriy> i haven't tried irc with kopete but i tried it with gaim at some point and it just doesn't seem to fit in..
[07:01] <mhb> yuriy: same with kopete now, IMHO
[07:01] <fdoving> i don't consider IRC IM in the same way ICQ, MSN and Jabber are IM.
[07:02] <mhb> fdoving: Jabber conference is practically the same thing as an IRC channel
[07:02] <fdoving> if we don't want people to find #kubuntu, removing konversation from the default install is a great way.
[07:03] <mhb> fdoving: I'd instinctively try my IM application for IRC if I were a new user
[07:04] <mhb> fdoving: but no reason to discuss it now
[07:04] <fdoving> mhb: the thing is, getting online in #kubuntu with konversation is like 4 clicks, getting online in #kubuntu with kopete is like 20 clicks atleast. And new users will probably give up after 5.
[07:04] <mhb> fdoving: Kopete's IRC is still rather clumsy
[07:04] <sebas> It largely depends on the type of users you have in mind.
[07:04] <sebas> Well, read the thread on kde-devel, it has exactly the same arguments.
[07:05] <sebas> Repeating it might be a waste of time :-)
[07:05] <fdoving> good point.
[07:05] <mhb> true
[07:05] <mhb> we'll see what the KDE boys decide to do
[09:07] <pinheiro> hey Riddell
[09:09] <pinheiro> im going to do a presentation next month about oxygen it would be cool if i had some kubunto cd's to give arround
[09:15] <lotusleaf> pinheiro: did you request some kubuntu cds @ https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ in advance? :)
[09:19] <fdoving> there must exist some edgy cds for special events, no?
[09:19] <fdoving> shipit only ships dapper iirc.
[11:39] <fdoving> Riddell: proposed debdiff attached to bug 81180, please review and upload to feisty if it's OK. thanks. :)
[11:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81180 in kopete "kopete does not send photo from global identity for MSN" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81180
[11:43] <fdoving> Riddell: nevermind the last message, the fix has been changed again. I'll stop fixing packages this fast. there will always be a better fix gah. well..
[11:55] <fdoving> Riddell: fixed, last debdiff got the real fix. review and upload if ok. thanks bye.