=== tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === her_fella [i=dre@24hrs.irc.i-n-g.nu] has left #ubuntu-classroom [] === dougsko [n=doug@unaffiliated/dougsko] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === hybrid [n=x@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-classroom === SARA [n=sara@c-68-61-183-152.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [04:53] SARA: hello [04:53] heyy! [04:54] ok, do you have the wiki page opened up (about backports)? [04:54] yes [04:55] Alright, go down to the section that says "How to use" [04:55] ok [04:55] Then "Through Synaptic Package Manager" [04:56] That is the information we need. Now open up Synaptic: Applications > administration > synaptic [04:56] got it [04:56] ok, in synaptic, go to Settings > repositories [04:57] ok [04:58] ok, I *think* this will work, we'll see: Go to the "Internet Updates" tab [04:58] then you should see a checkbox for "Backported updates" [04:58] i dont have the option [04:59] which do you have? [04:59] ummm, i'd stay away from backports [04:59] check for updates ...Dl updates in the background,but do not install and install security updates [04:59] nalioth: for flash [04:59] nalioth, are they that unstable? [05:00] SARA: erm ok. Well go to the "Third Party" tab then [05:00] no, but can't you wait less than 6 months? [05:00] nalioth, what about people running LTS [05:00] SARA: then hit the "add" button, and use this line: deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [05:01] which tab do i do that with [05:01] SARA: Third Party [05:01] dont have it [05:01] the repo UI is different depending on edgy or dapper [05:01] SARA: you're using edgy? [05:01] yeah [05:01] nothlit: LT(long term)S(tability) [05:01] why is your synaptic so different than mine :/ [05:02] maybe i dont than...i had breezy and updated like 6 months ago [05:02] !version [05:02] To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type 'lsb_release -a' in the Terminal. [05:02] The choose Sources app was significantly improved in edgy [05:02] nalioth, ahh :) [05:03] 'Software Properties' i think [05:03] nothlit: unlike Windows(tm) where each release holds the hope of a more stable product, in linux, newer != better [05:03] its not doing anything [05:03] SARA: what did you type? [05:03] 'lsb_release -a' [05:03] SARA: no quotes [05:04] nalioth, depends on your usage, i like rolling releases [05:04] SARA: hit ctrl-d if you are stuck [05:04] err ctrl+d is exit/logout [05:04] no [05:04] dapper [05:05] sorry :( [05:05] SARA: k, well we'll just do it manually [05:05] SARA: enter this command exactly: gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" [05:05] ok [05:05] jrib, no? ctrl-c is cancel/kill i thought [05:05] in teminal [05:06] ** (gedit:1338): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed [05:06] SARA: ignore the terminal [05:06] does gedit show up? [05:07] ok i have a sources list that came up [05:07] pastebin it? [05:07] SARA: sure [05:08] nothlit: yeah [05:08] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2715/ [05:09] SARA: change all of the "hoary" into "dapper" [05:09] how? [05:09] no no no [05:09] SARA: it's a text editor, edit your text :) [05:09] no no no no no [05:09] NO NO [05:09] don't do it [05:09] heh, explain [05:10] can't skip releases [05:10] nalioth: she's on dapper [05:10] you'll bugger the system royally [05:10] nalioth: the hoary repos are commented out [05:10] ahhh === nalioth is just making sure [05:10] do i do it? [05:11] ok well i did it so what do i do next? [05:11] SARA: it's fine, alternatively you can just delete those lines [05:11] save it? [05:11] not yet [05:11] ok [05:12] SARA: change http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/backports to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [05:12] which one the first or second under primary mirros [05:13] SARA: the first one. The second line you can delete [05:13] ok did it [05:13] ok pastebin your new one if you want. Or you can just save and exit [05:14] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2716/ [05:14] SARA: wait, you need to remove the # from the front of line 17 too [05:14] huh [05:15] i dont have 17 lines [05:15] SARA: look at your pastebin [05:15] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2715/ [05:15] The one under #Primary Mirror (5/17/2005) overloaded :) [05:16] just remove # [05:16] yes [05:16] ok [05:16] ok [05:16] do you want to pastebin it to be sure it is ok? [05:17] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2717/ [05:17] PLEASE! [05:17] D: [05:17] SARA: fix line 13, do you see the mistake? [05:17] h-security is supposed to be dapper-security [05:18] ok [05:18] got it [05:18] delete line 17 [05:18] it should read: [05:18] deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [05:18] bah [05:18] deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted universe multiverse [05:18] use the last one^ [05:19] ok [05:20] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2718/ [05:20] ok hopefully this one is right [05:20] nothlit: ctrl-d is just EOF, your shell decides to log you out if it wants to, but you can turn that off (just explaining my comment from before :)). Though you are right, ctrl-c would have probably made more sense [05:20] SARA: yes, now save and exit [05:20] ok did that! [05:21] type this command: [05:21] sudo apt-get update [05:21] 'Primary' is not known on line 16 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list [05:21] oh I missed that [05:21] haha :) [05:21] gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" [05:21] add the # back in front of Primary [05:22] ok [05:22] did it [05:22] save, exit, sudo apt-get update [05:23] its not letting me save [05:23] what does it say? [05:23] wow he said no 10 times lol [05:23] jrib, ah [05:23] im in the read only for source list [05:24] SARA: close it [05:24] jrib, i'm just used to ctrl+d = logout or exit at an empty prompt [05:24] jrib, only other time i use it is in checkinstall [05:24] nothlit: ah [05:24] ok i closed it [05:24] SARA: this full command: gksudo "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" [05:25] ok and add # again? [05:25] yes [05:25] then save a q? [05:25] yes [05:25] ok did it [05:25] sudo apt-get update? [05:26] yes [05:26] ok [05:26] and then sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree [05:26] it installed [05:27] but when i go to web pages it closes still [05:28] SARA: what do you mean? Your browser closes? [05:28] yes [05:28] welll i need flash player 7...says the saturn website [05:28] SARA: which is it? Your browser closes or sites ask you for flash? [05:29] both well flash player is asked for some web site but when i go on like myspace and people have slide shows the brower closes [05:30] SARA: what happens here: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/ [05:30] err backports contains flash9 [05:30] !info flashplugin-nonfree dapper [05:30] flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.63.3ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 16 kB, installed size 136 kB (Only available for i386) [05:31] !info flahsplugin-nonfree dapper-backports [05:31] Package flahsplugin-nonfree does not exist in dapper-backports [05:31] it brings me to a page where they want me to DL the adobe flash [05:31] pfft [05:31] SARA: close your browser and start it again [05:31] ok now what [05:31] it needs to restart to detect flash [05:31] SARA: go back to that page [05:31] same thing [05:32] SARA: what browser are you using? [05:32] forefox [05:32] firefox* [05:32] SARA: do this command: ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash* [05:33] sara@computer:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/*flash* [05:33] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-01-23 23:28 /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so -> ../../flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [05:33] jrib, killall firefox ? [05:33] nothlit: yeah, that's a good idea [05:33] SARA: close your browser, then execute: killall firefox-bin [05:34] put that in my term? [05:34] yep [05:34] after closing the browser [05:34] firefox-bin: no process killed [05:34] ok, what does this say: readlink -f $(which firefox) [05:34] /usr/lib/firefox/firefox === jrib ponders [05:35] SARA: do you see anything on this site: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ [05:36] it closed once it started playing [05:36] ok [05:36] SARA: what does this say: xdpyinfo | grep -i depth\ of [05:36] oh wait i tired it again [05:36] and its working [05:37] SARA: ok, try other sites to see if it happens again [05:37] i did it closed [05:37] the browser [05:37] SARA: ok, tell me what that command says [05:37] how? [05:38] same as before, just enter it: xdpyinfo | grep -i depth\ of [05:38] depth of root window: 24 planes === nothlit is amazed at jribs knowledge of utils [05:39] SARA: ok close firefox [05:39] ok [05:39] SARA: start it like this (all one line): XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 firefox [05:40] didnt do anything [05:40] SARA: firefox didn't open? [05:40] nope [05:40] SARA: any terminal output? [05:40] yeah it did [05:41] SARA: see if it still crashes [05:41] yup [05:41] SARA: do you have any extensions? [05:41] he program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. [05:41] This probably reflects a bug in the program. [05:41] The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'. [05:41] (Details: serial 188 error_code 165 request_code 143 minor_code 2) [05:41] (Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously; [05:41] that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it. [05:41] To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line [05:41] option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful [05:41] backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.) [05:43] thats all it said [05:43] SARA: do you have any extensions? [05:43] i dont know what that means? [05:44] firefox extensions [05:44] tools > extensions I think [05:44] english lang. pack [05:44] hmm ok. Let's try one more thing. Close firefox [05:44] ok [05:45] FIREFOX_DSP=none firefox [05:45] it opened [05:45] try to crash it again [05:45] SARA: What page is crashing it by the way? [05:45] jrib, you can fix flash bringing down firefox without upgrading? [05:46] nothlit: idk, is there some crashing but with ff1.5? [05:46] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2720/ [05:46] jrib, without upgrading flash lol [05:47] nothlit: you mean try flash 7 instead? [05:48] jrib, nm, i'm asking if you're trying to prevent flash from taking down firefox [05:48] ah flash [05:48] gotta use the latest flash for firefox [05:48] thats what we grabbed from the backports [05:49] one should use the flash from adobe.com [05:49] backports can break your box [05:49] it has always been this way [05:49] heh [05:50] maybe with other pacakges but flash is going to be the same. We can try the adobe flash anyway and see [05:50] yeah i get lazy and dump plugins into my home folder [05:50] jrib, but if you add backports as a repo it'll try to update stuff? [05:51] if the pkg is in backports, it'll update from stable/current, yes [05:51] nothlit: true, we could always disable after installing flash though [05:52] if i go to slide.com it says i do not have flash installed [05:52] nothlit, nalioth: I have to go get some work done for tomorrow morning, can you guys try to troubleshoot with SARA ? [05:53] jrib, sounds like a lot of work when you could just grab the plugin or .deb instead [05:53] canu help me do that?! [05:54] i wouldn't know what to do, sounds like you've gone through everything [05:54] how much does about:plugins tell you [05:54] jrib: what machine type are we working on? [05:55] nalioth: I assume i386 since it installed through APT, but I did not ask [05:55] ImportError: could not import gtksourceview [05:55] Traceback (most recent call last): [05:55] File "/usr/lib/gedit-2/plugins/modelines.py", line 24, in ? [05:55] class ModelinePlugin(gedit.Plugin): [05:55] AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'Plugin' [05:55] ** (gedit:4642): WARNING **: Could not load python module modelines [05:55] ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed [05:55] ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed [05:55] ** (gedit:4642): CRITICAL **: gedit_plugin_update_ui: assertion `GEDIT_IS_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed [05:56] don't worry thats just a gedit plugin failing [05:56] not the whole app [05:57] SARA, run 'arch' [05:57] i686 [05:57] nothlit: when you get a moment, i have some flash input [05:58] nalioth, you can go ahead, irc isn't realtime-critical [05:59] SARA, open firefox and type about:plugins with no space in the address bar and hit enter [06:00] SARA: if you've not gotten your flash going, i can perhaps be of assistance [06:00] thank you sooo much!!!!!!!!!! [06:00] does that mean you're ready to begin? [06:00] YEAH!!!!!!!!! [06:02] im ready [06:03] ok, please open a consose [06:03] console [06:03] bleh [06:03] term? [06:03] yes, a terminal [06:03] console [06:03] bash shell [06:03] whatever shell you're used to using :) [06:03] ok [06:04] type "wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" please [06:04] and then the 'enter' key [06:05] sara@computer:~$ wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz [06:05] --00:06:03-- http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz [06:05] => `install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' [06:05] Resolving fpdownload.macromedia.com... 72.246.70.70 [06:05] Connecting to fpdownload.macromedia.com|72.246.70.70|:80... connected. [06:05] HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK [06:05] Length: 2,609,703 (2.5M) [application/x-gzip] [06:05] 100%[====================================>] 2,609,703 826.30K/s ETA 00:00 [06:05] 00:06:06 (823.83 KB/s) - `install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' saved [2609703/2609703] [06:05] SARA: no need to paste anything [06:05] ok [06:05] sorry [06:05] nalioth, you just going to use the install script? [06:05] now type "tar xvzf install" and "enter" [06:05] nothlit: yep [06:06] ok [06:06] nalioth, she might need to remove the flashplugin-nonfree too btw [06:09] ........:) [06:09] SARA: has it unpacked? [06:10] yeah [06:10] install_flash_player_9_linux/ [06:10] install_flash_player_9_linux/Readme.txt [06:10] install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer [06:10] install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so [06:10] install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt [06:10] thats all it said after [06:10] SARA: no need to paste :) [06:10] i know im sorry i just want to make sure im doing it right and not missing anything :( [06:11] SARA: type 'cd install' please [06:11] ok [06:13] now type ./flashplayer- and === nalioth loves tab completion [06:13] ok its says its complete [06:14] close ALL your firefox/mozilla/galeon/epiphany/other mozilla based browsers, restart your favorite and see if flash works now [06:15] nope still doesnt work [06:15] it kills firefox, or just doesn't work? === hybrid [n=x@72.169.30.254] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:15] brower closes [06:15] browser** [06:16] and slide.com says i dont have flash installed [06:16] SARA: in your terminal, please type "sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree [06:18] ok removed. [06:19] close your browser and reopen and try again please [06:19] and what version firefox is it? [06:19] it crashed again [06:19] and idk the version [06:20] 1.50.9 [06:20] 1.5.0.9** [06:21] SARA: have you followed the !firefox instructions? [06:21] yes i have [06:22] so you should be using firefox 2.0x ? [06:22] how do i get that one?! [06:23] !firefox [06:23] firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins [06:23] that way [06:23] oh man.... === nothlit_ [n=nothlit@pcd555003.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:25] ok well i extracted firefox now what?! [06:26] SARA: follow the instructions on that page . . . . [06:27] im lost [06:28] what part are you not following? [06:29] i dl it and now im not sure what to do? [06:30] SARA: this script might be useful to you http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/firefox [06:31] Install it to /opt/firefox: [06:31] i dont know how to change my dictory [06:31] Download Firefox from the [WWW] Firefox website, and change to the directory you downloaded it to. [06:34] if you used firefox to download it [06:34] cd ~/Desktop [06:35] i dont understand [06:35] SARA: try the script at psycocats.net === nothlit can't believe psychocats recommends automatix [06:36] SARA: please don't ever use automatix :) [06:37] whats that?! [06:37] a very very very bad thing that could break your system [06:37] oh man! === nalioth suspects it's not a case of "could" it's a case of "when it will" [06:38] sudo aptitude install firefox...is that what i put in my term? [06:39] Enter your choice of localization: [06:40] whats that mean?!!!!!!!!!!!1 [06:40] SARA: no [06:41] aptitude is not gonna install anything, since you already have the latest firefox in the repos [06:41] ok? then what [06:41] you'll need to follow the howto page or use the script linked from that howto page to get firefox 2.0 [06:41] oh man i cant do this [06:41] i give up! [06:42] localisation is your language, or your language and region, like US English or British English [06:43] oh [06:43] well i dont know how to install 2.0 firefox [06:43] SARA, wget http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh [06:45] which one? [06:45] the whole thing [06:45] as one command [06:45] put that in my term? [06:46] yes [06:46] whats in the quotes "wget http://pykeylogger.sourceforge.net/installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh" [06:46] bash: ./installnewfirefox.sh: Permission denied [06:47] Resolving pykeylogger.sourceforge.net... 66.35.250.209 [06:47] Connecting to pykeylogger.sourceforge.net|66.35.250.209|:80... connected. [06:47] HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK [06:47] Length: 6,044 (5.9K) [application/x-sh] [06:47] 100%[====================================>] 6,044 --.--K/s [06:47] 00:47:50 (67.40 KB/s) - `installnewfirefox.sh' saved [6044/6044] [06:47] bash: ./installnewfirefox.sh: Permission denied [06:49] what do u think?????? [06:49] oh sorry [06:49] "chmod +x installnewfirefox.sh && ./installnewfirefox.sh" [06:50] The next step will verify the GPG signature for the firefox archive to assure its integrity. This step is important for your security. However, if you have problems getting this to work right, you may choose 'no' and proceed to installation without signature verification. Do you want to verify the signature [y/n] [06:50] yes or no? === ziGx [n=dont@216-15-4-93.c3-0.snmt-ubr4.sfrn-snmt.ca.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-classroom [06:51] hey guys [06:51] yea! it worked! [06:52] oh its up to you [06:53] omg i love u....FLASH WORKS!!!!!!!!! [06:53] try y, unless it doesn't work [06:53] thank u sooo much! [06:53] lol thank nalioth, he provided the solution [06:53]