[10:04] <\sh> BenC, feisty kernel 2.6.20-5 is not giving me any sound anymore...
[10:05] <\sh> rebooting into edgy kernel
[10:06] <gnomefreak> \sh_away: are you sure alsa isnt muted? a few people have complained about one of the updates muting sound
[10:09] <BenC> \sh_away: If you have a hda conexant codec, it's possible that you need to run alsamixer to fix things up a bit
[10:11] <gnomefreak> the person that i first heard this from it mutes on reboot
[11:20] <ogra> BenC, ping
[11:20] <BenC> ogra: Yo
[11:20] <ogra> can we get via eden support enabled in the -386 kernel ?
[11:21] <ogra> http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/35123-342039-342039-342039-637507-12235620.html
[11:21] <ogra> i have some users with these
[11:21] <ogra> they dont boot at all
[11:21] <BenC> ogra: What's required to enable it?
[11:21] <ogra> dunno ... i havent looked at the config yet ....
[11:21] <ogra> i'll find it out
[11:21] <BenC> -386 is a basic 486 minimum kernel
[11:22] <BenC> a cpuinfo from the machine would help
[11:22] <BenC> or from any via eden for that matter
[11:22] <ogra> ok, i'll try to get one ... but thats a bit tricky without booting indeed :)
[11:22] <BenC> I know the -386 works on my via proc
[11:22] <BenC> EPIA M10k
[11:23] <ogra> the guy having the prob tried his laptop which apparently works, so it must be a kernel option i guess 
[11:23] <ogra> s/works/boots/
[11:24] <BenC> It comes with 2.4 linux kernel, so you should be able to get /proc/cpuinfo from the base system
[11:24] <ogra> ah, k
[11:24] <ogra> i dont have a -386 config handy, but i think its CONFIG_MVIAC3_2 you need enabled
[11:25] <ogra> BenC, SiCk is the guy having the problem 
[11:25] <ogra> SiCk, can you boot into the flashcard on the HP ?
[11:25] <ogra> and get us the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo ? 
[11:26] <SiCk> yeah i can ogra
[11:26] <SiCk> sorry, how do i do that?
[11:26] <SiCk> i can boot in and get to the console
[11:26] <ogra> boot the client without net connection i guess
[11:26] <ogra> great
[11:27] <ogra> just type "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[11:27] <SiCk> ah okay.. one minute, booting thsi up
[11:27] <ogra> (without quotes)
[11:27] <BenC> relevant lines are the "vendor_id", "model name" and "flags"
[11:27] <BenC> cpu family and stepping would be helpful too
[11:28] <SiCk> will do
[11:28] <BenC> Can you descibe the failure during ubuntu boot?
[11:28] <ogra> BenC, it just stops after "Uncompressing Linux..."
[11:28] <BenC> is quiet and splash disabled?
[11:29] <ogra> doesnt get to load the initramfs
[11:29] <ogra> yep
[11:29] <SiCk> \sh: cat/proc/cpuinfo:
[11:29] <SiCk> not found
[11:29] <SiCk> sigh
[11:29] <ogra> you miss a space
[11:29] <BenC> space
[11:29] <ogra> cat /
[11:29] <ogra> ...
[11:29] <SiCk> duur Sick
[11:29] <BenC> is this a netboot?
[11:30] <SiCk> nope
[11:30] <SiCk> this is booting off the flashdrive
[11:30] <BenC> no, the ubuntu boot, is it from network?
[11:30] <ogra> yes
[11:30] <SiCk> ah, yes, pxe
[11:30] <ogra> its an ltsp boot
[11:30] <ogra> PXE
[11:30] <BenC> are you sure it's the -386 kernel and not say -generic or -server?
[11:30] <SiCk> vendor_id: CentaurHauls
[11:30] <SiCk> cpu family: 6
[11:31] <SiCk> model name VIA Samuel 2
[11:31] <ogra> SiCk, can you do a "ls /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/" on the server afterwards ?
[11:31] <ogra> so we can see you didnt end up with a wrong kernel package 
[11:31] <SiCk> flags: fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow
[11:31] <SiCk> yep.. ill do that now
[11:32] <ogra> just check if there are many files with -386 as suffix ... or if you have -generic instead
[11:32] <ogra> (should be -386 ... and i would have no explanation why it could be -generic)
[11:32] <BenC> there should be no reason for it to not boot the -386 kernel...
[11:32] <ogra> hmm
[11:33] <SiCk> yeah, most are -386
[11:33] <ogra> SiCk, any -generic in that list ? 
[11:33] <SiCk> nope
[11:34] <ogra> please do the same ls for /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
[11:34] <ogra> and check for -generic as well there
[11:35] <SiCk> apparently ther eis no such directory
[11:35] <ogra> without the i386 then ...
[11:35] <SiCk> remember this is edubuntu, it likes to move things around
[11:35] <ogra> are you running edgy or dapper ? 
[11:35] <SiCk> ah, that's 386 too
[11:36] <ogra> i object that ... i would know if it would "move things around" :) 
[11:36] <SiCk> dapper
[11:36] <BenC> gotta reboot
[11:36] <ogra> (i maintain it)
[11:36] <SiCk> ahh haha, explains alot
[11:36] <ogra> yeah, the missing ../i386/ indicates dapper
[11:36] <SiCk> *in awe*
[11:36] <ogra> but even the dapper -386 kernel should work afaik ...
[11:37] <ogra> SiCk, yure a lucky guy ... we all sit here in a room at the ubuntu developer sprint :)
[11:38] <SiCk> well i'm officially starstruck
[11:38] <SiCk> haha
[11:38] <ogra> SiCk, how critical would it be to set this server up with edgy ? 
[11:39] <ogra> is it in production already ? 
[11:39] <SiCk> not at all, we're sitting with another system, it basically works by sending video over cat-5e to plasma screens
[11:39] <SiCk> we have loads of thin clients doing nothing
[11:39] <ogra> wait a sec
[11:40] <ogra> i'm just told we'll get a new kernel package to test ...
[11:40] <SiCk> so instead of sending it from everywhere we'd like to have them displaying it from the plasma itself, the pc behind the screen
[11:40] <ogra> so lets wait until thats done and i'll walk you through installing it
[11:40] <SiCk> sounds good i think.. haha
[11:40] <ogra> :)
[11:40] <ogra> oki...
[11:40] <SiCk> enjoy :)
[11:47] <\sh> well,,,kernel works again....strange that alsa was setting my headphone jack automagically...but I don't have headphone jack sensing ;)
[12:39] <SiCk> ogra: any call on the kernel or will it be a while?
[12:39] <ogra> kylem, ? 
[12:39] <kylem> still building, shouldn't take much longer
[12:39] <SiCk> not rushing or anything, i have all day, just wondering haha
[01:59] <kylem> ogra, http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/ogra/2007-01-24/linux-image-2.6.15-27-386_2.6.15-27.50_i386.deb
[02:00] <ogra> SiCk, ^^^^ download that one: cd /opt/ltsp/i386/tmp && sudo wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~kyle/kernels/ogra/2007-01-24/linux-image-2.6.15-27-386_2.6.15-27.50_i386.deb 
[02:01] <ogra> SiCk, then: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -i /tmp/linux-image-2.6.15-27-386_2.6.15-27.50_i386.deb
[02:02] <SiCk> is this a full install? or just the kernel for the pxe?
[02:02] <ogra> if thats done, hit ctrl-d to get to the normal system again and run: sudo ltsp-update-kernels 
[02:02] <ogra> then boot the client
[02:02] <ogra> thats only a new kernel image
[02:02] <SiCk> ah okay
[02:03] <ogra> followin the three steps above should work 
[02:03] <SiCk> i shall try it
[02:11] <SiCk> gotta run here for an hour guys
[02:11] <SiCk> back soon and ill let you know how it goes
[03:01] <SiCk> back guys
[03:01] <SiCk> problem with the chroot bit.
[03:01] <SiCk> setting locale failed
[03:02] <ogra> ignore
[03:03] <SiCk> said that twice and then i get
[03:03] <SiCk> perl: warning: falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[03:03] <ogra> right, ignore that 
[03:04] <SiCk> ill go on to the next one then
[03:04] <ogra> you can as well prefix the sudo dpkg -i with LANG=C
[03:04] <ogra> that will suppress the warnings
[03:04] <SiCk> ah okay
[03:05] <ogra> but you can as well ignore them, they are just wanrings 
[03:10] <SiCk> it weeeerkkkkss!
[03:10] <ogra> YAY
[03:10] <SiCk> ogra you are the greatest. you're loved by 3 people in this room.
[03:10] <SiCk> and benc
[03:11] <SiCk> 1 weeee question, i dont mean to push... how do i get this running as kiosk?
[03:11] <SiCk> and is there software to manage eaach client from the server?
[03:11] <ogra> SiCk, kylem did all the work, i only pointed you to the right person :)
[03:11] <SiCk> kylem then, thankyouu!
[03:12] <kylem> no problemo.
[03:12] <ogra> SiCk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins has a kiosk mode plugin ... look at what it does and do the same to your chroot
[03:14] <SiCk> i just follow this whole guide then yep?
[03:19] <ogra> SiCk, that would mean you need to rebuild your client chroot with ltsp-build-client ... following the steps in the code would work without it ...
[03:21] <ogra> essentially its: install gdm and firefox, add /home and /var/lib/gdm to copy_dirs and rw_dirs in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/defaults/ltsp-client-setup and set gdm in /opt/ltsp/i386 to autologin for a user you create in there 
[03:22] <ogra> but anyway, this belongs to #ltsp or #edubuntu, lets not spam the kernel channel :)
[03:22] <SiCk> ah good point.. see you there :D haha
[03:51] <mjg59> kylem: Inserting an SD card into the TI readers doesn't generate a hotplug event
[03:53] <kylem> pourque?
[03:53] <mjg59> kylem: line 173 of drivers/misc/tifm_7xx1.c
[03:53] <kylem> if we get a card insertion request it shouldn't be too hard
[03:54] <mjg59> kylem: That needs to generate a hotplug event that requests tifm_sd.ko somehow
[03:54] <mjg59> Which presumably requires some sort of modalias magic
[03:54] <mjg59> Well, requests tifm_sd.ko in the case of it being an sd card
[03:54] <mjg59> Oh, wait
[03:55] <mjg59> There's a device_register call there
[03:55] <mjg59> So maybe there is a hotplug event generated
[03:55] <kylem> hehe
[03:55] <mjg59> In which case, the bus_id is tifm_sd*
[03:55] <kylem> ok. i'll beat up whoever our udev person is.
[03:56] <mjg59> So there just needs to be something to tie that to tifm_sd.ko
[03:56] <mjg59> Oh, rock
[03:56] <mjg59> He's just checked in support for memory stick
[03:57] <mjg59> ...and I've left my machine with the appropriate hardware in .au
[03:57] <mjg59> kylem: So, uh, can you also update the tifm stuff from svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/tifmxx/trunk ? :)
[03:58] <kylem> possibly.
[03:58] <mjg59> Oh, no, wait
[03:58] <mjg59> I may actually have hardware
[03:59] <mjg59> It's so easy to lose track
[03:59] <mjg59> Yeah, I win
[04:01] <mjg59> I'll try to test that later
[04:01] <kylem> thanks.
[04:02] <mjg59> MS support would be kind of nice
[04:02] <kylem> MS?
[04:02] <kylem> memory stick?
[04:04] <mjg59> Yeah
[04:11] <mjg59> Oh, ha
[04:11] <mjg59> I've only got one memory stick, and this machine will only accept pro
[04:11] <mjg59> Need to buy some, I guess
[04:17] <mjg59> Nngh, why is memory stick so expensive?
[04:18] <zul> how much?
[04:19] <mjg59> At least 25
[04:19] <mjg59> As far as I can tell
[04:21] <Mithrandir> strange, a 256MB memorystick is around 7 here.
[04:22] <mjg59> The sony removable flash, rather than USB ones?
[04:23] <Mithrandir> a sandisk stick.
[04:24] <mjg59> I'm talking about Memory Stick, the Sony equivilent of SD or compact flash
[04:24] <Mithrandir> yes, so am I
[04:24] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[04:24] <mjg59> Sandisk do them? Hm.
[04:24] <Mithrandir> a memory stick pro, made by sandisk.
[04:24] <Mithrandir> (not duo)
[04:25] <mjg59> Yeah, looks like I could just about match that online
[05:55] <BenC> zul: ping
[05:58] <zul> BenC: pong
[05:58] <zul> whats up?
[05:58] <BenC> zul: Hey dude, have you had a chance to look at the breezy security stuff?
[05:58] <zul> yeah i was doing it last night im about half way done
[05:59] <zul> how come?
[06:09] <sdrik> hello
[06:11] <sdrik> I've done some testing of latest xen-3.0 and xen-source and want to report a success
[06:14] <sdrik> I have a 2.6.19-1-generic (i386) dom0 running with 2 gentoo 2.6.16.28 domu and 2 edgy 2.6.17-5-generic domu
[06:15] <zul> cool
[06:18] <sdrik> I've done some patching on xen-source for various problems, what should I do with it ?
[06:19] <zul> sdrik: submit a bug report in launchpad and ill look at it
[06:19] <sdrik> zul: ok
[06:32] <sdrik> zul: done
[06:33] <zul> thanks