[10:33] <\sh> guys, I have a ibm thinkpad t43...latest feisty kernel doesn't give me any sound output anymore...is anyone getting this problem, too?
[03:10] <crimsun> \sh: post-resume (from suspend-to-disk) or at all from a cold boot?
[03:11] <crimsun> I can't imagine that AD1981B would have been broken completely (but it's certainly possible in the universe)
[03:11] <\sh> crimsun, problem on my side, alsa had headphone jack sensing enabled...which wasn't in edgy...that's why I didn't hear any sounds...muted this register, and everything is fine
[03:11] <mjg59> Headphone jack sensing doesn't work on Thinkpads
[03:11] <crimsun> \sh: yes, those changes that we made in dapper were dropped. I'll bump up the priority for the re-merging w/ tsmithe
[03:11] <mjg59> I thought we did somthing sane there automatically
[03:12] <crimsun> mjg59: yes, I'll work w/ toby to get those changes stuffed upstream so we don't have to continually carry the delta
[03:14] <mjg59> Cool
[04:02] <Simira> mjg59: what is happening to resume from suspend-bugs? There's been a pretty lot of them for a while...
[04:04] <mjg59> Simira: In my experience, there's almost no point in bothering until the kernel has settled down
[04:04] <mjg59> But also, I have approximately no time at present
[04:11] <Simira> mjg59: but this have been a problem since dapper, hasn't it?
[04:12] <mjg59> Which aspect?
[04:12] <Simira> is the kernel ever going to settle?
[04:12] <mjg59> I mean per-release
[04:12] <Simira> mjg59: laptops having problems with resuming from suspend to ram
[04:12] <mjg59> There's always going to be huge numbers of suspend-resume bugs
[04:12] <Simira> I deny to accept it!
[04:12] <mjg59> But in each individual release, there's little point in worrying until towards the end of the cycle
[04:13] <mjg59> There's such a huge number of interactions that stuff will mysteriously break and start working again on a frequent basis
[04:13] <Simira> mjg59: ok, I'll keep on testing then. But what about current release?
[04:13] <mjg59> It's unlikely that much can be done in a stable release