[07:53] <stdin> anyone know off hand the repo for kde 3.5.6 for feisty ?
[07:54] <Jucato_> for testing?
[07:54] <stdin> yeah
[07:54] <Jucato_> hm...
[07:55] <Jucato_> stdin: based on my logs, it's deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kde-356-feisty/ feisty main
[07:55] <stdin> thanks Jucato_
[07:56] <stdin> let's hope I don't regret this now :P
[07:56] <Jucato_> stdin: be sure to give input on bugs and stuff (there's a known bug with kopete)
[07:56] <Jucato_> :)
[07:57] <stdin> I will, that's the point of testing :)
[07:57] <stdin> well, that and the smugness of having the latest stuff :P
[07:57] <Jucato_> heh
[10:49] <Hobbsee> s
[10:58] <MrWGW> Kwwii: you there?
[11:00] <kwwii> MrWGW: yepp, but I have to leave for 5 min
[11:00] <kwwii> brb
[11:01] <MrWGW> yes
[11:02] <MrWGW> tell me when you get back, we need to have a chat about Kubuntu's graphics
[11:02] <Riddell> where "have" means "going out to watch some cars"
[11:02] <MrWGW> I downloaded Kubuntu and like it a lot in terms of what you've done
[11:02] <MrWGW> I was really amazed by how refined and awesome the graphical experience was, in fact
[11:04] <Riddell> :)
[11:04] <Riddell> never heard kwwii being called refined before :)
[11:06] <MrWGW> well, there you go
[11:09] <kwwii> re
[11:09] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[11:09] <kwwii> Riddell: go put on your dress and leave me along
[11:09] <Tonio_> haloha !
[11:09] <kwwii> alone
[11:10] <kwwii> MrWGW: sure, love to talk about it
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell wears dresses?
[11:10] <Hobbsee> O.O
[11:10] <MrWGW> back
[11:11] <MrWGW> so yeah, Kubuntu is quite nice
[11:11] <MrWGW> I'm wondering what you'd like me to look into working on in terms of it
[11:11] <MrWGW> yeah, I don't do the cross dressing thing myself either
[11:11] <kwwii> well, I think that for feisty we want to push the look even further
[11:11] <MrWGW> I'm a suit-and-tie man
[11:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: haha, I did :)
[11:11] <kwwii> Riddell: right, right, *I* believe you
[11:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you should.  it's an experience :P  and heels
[11:11] <MrWGW> I'm probably the only guy you'll ever meet doing UI design for FOSS who owns a tie clasp collection and who tries to use one everyday
[11:11] <Tonio_> at my best friend's 20 years birthday
[11:12] <kwwii> MrWGW: lol
[11:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ookay?
[11:12] <Jucato> O.o
[11:12] <Tonio_> we went to a concert and I shaved my legs and dressed as a wooman
[11:12] <Jucato> O.O
[11:12] <Tonio_> everyone thought I was a girl, that was pretty cool ;)
[11:12] <Hobbsee> that's....weird?
[11:12] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, but *you're* french, we expect that
[11:12] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:12] <Tonio_> kwwii: ;)
[11:12] <Jucato> lol
[11:13] <Tonio_> let me find a photo
[11:13] <MrWGW> woo
[11:13] <Tonio_> if I still got one....
[11:13] <Tonio_> I had long hair at that moment, that helped too :)
[11:13] <kwwii> MrWGW: so basically we want to keep the basic feel, but push that even further
[11:13] <Hobbsee> if not, you have to dress up as a girl, and shave your legs, etc, again, just to show us...
[11:13] <MrWGW> you know one really scarry thought would be rms in drag :-P
[11:13] <MrWGW> outstanding
[11:13] <kwwii> one thing that we really should take care of is the konqueror and help designs
[11:13] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah I'm not that thin today
[11:13] <Hobbsee> awwww
[11:14] <Tonio_> I have bard etc.... :)
[11:14] <MrWGW> how about RMS in drag as the default desktop? That would be really pushing the edge
[11:14] <MrWGW> :-P
[11:14] <kwwii> we tried to change the konqueror/help stuff for edgy by simply using the existing design and changing the blue to purple but that did not turn out very well
[11:14] <Hobbsee> as long as i'm not wanted to model :P
[11:15] <Jucato> kwwii: will feisty still be purple?
[11:15] <kwwii> we really need to make new pics, not just rotate the colors of the existing ones
[11:15] <kwwii> Jucato: yeah, I think so
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Jucato: PINK!!!!
[11:15] <MrWGW> is there any plan to use the Ubuntu human color scheme in Kubuntu?
[11:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: at that moment I was 70 kg for 1.84m
[11:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: kool! :)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> MrWGW: nope
[11:15] <Tonio_> today I am 82 :) hard to reproduce :)
[11:15] <MrWGW> ok
[11:15] <Jucato> MrWGW: please no...
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh.  scary
[11:15] <MrWGW> I take it you guys have an aversion to brown ;)
[11:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: life going on........
[11:16] <Hobbsee> MrWGW: just the human colour scheme is rather ugly, yes.
[11:16] <kwwii> MrWGW: well, there has always been a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, it starts at the logo and goes from there
[11:16] <MrWGW> ok
[11:16] <MrWGW> not a problem
[11:16] <kwwii> but using purple was something new, a way to move away from a simple blue design
[11:16] <kwwii> everyone and their brother uses blue
[11:16] <Jucato> kwwii: I thought it started with the name? :D
[11:16] <MrWGW> Blue is the most overused color in GUI
[11:17] <kwwii> Jucato: well, graphically, I mean
[11:17] <MrWGW> I'm working on recoloring PC BSD to red and grey
[11:17] <Jucato> hehe :)
[11:17] <MrWGW> Red is the perfect color for a BSD OS
[11:17] <Jucato> red...
[11:17] <kwwii> MrWGW: yeah, I can see that
[11:17] <Jucato> MrWGW: have you seen Edubuntu?
[11:17] <MrWGW> and speaking of whihc, kwwii, what's involved in creating a custom set of window decorations?
[11:17] <MrWGW> no
[11:17] <Jucato> MrWGW: it red too
[11:17] <MrWGW> and also, what would be involved in replacing the buttons with Crystal?
[11:17] <MrWGW> ahh interesting
[11:17] <Jucato> s/it/it's
[11:17] <MrWGW> I might download it for the sheer heck of it
[11:17] <Hobbsee> kwwii: try pink :P
[11:18] <Jucato> MrWGW: nah, just look at screenshots in osdir.com :)
[11:18] <Hobbsee> actually, i saw edubuntu - very pretty, despite that it's gnome
[11:18] <MrWGW> you know what else would be good, Fubuntu using Fluxbox :-P
[11:18] <kwwii> Hobbsee: yeah! pink and green ponies
[11:18] <MrWGW> that one could be lime
[11:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: YES!!!
[11:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: at least as temp artwrok :)
[11:18] <MrWGW> eh, I like to download an OS to get a real feel for the UI
[11:18] <kwwii> we'll make Hubuntu just for you
[11:18] <Hobbsee> kwwii: Hubuntu?
[11:18] <Jucato> Hobbunto
[11:18] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:18] <Jucato> Hobbuntu*
[11:18] <MrWGW> I'd like to see WGWUbuntu: Ubuntu but with my own upcoming mod for GNOME ;-P
[11:19] <MrWGW> because I'm really sick to death of GNOME's broken UI...
[11:19] <kwwii> hehe
[11:19] <kwwii> Hobbsee: didn't want to say "ho-buntu" cause I don't think you be a ho :p
[11:19] <Jucato> MrWGW: btw, the windeco used for Kubuntu is a customized Crystal, with customized "Kubuntu" buttons (the ones in Dapper and Edgy are very different)
[11:19] <Hobbsee> kwwii: heh
[11:20] <MrWGW> right
[11:20] <MrWGW> how hard is it to customize those buttons?
[11:20] <kwwii> Jucato: the buttons/windec in feisty is the same as edgy
[11:20] <MrWGW> because I'm thinking I want to do that in PC-BSD
[11:20] <kwwii> MrWGW: not hard
[11:20] <Jucato> kwwii: ah so no more changes?
[11:20] <kwwii> it is pixmap bsed
[11:20] <MrWGW> replace the "Vista" rip off buttons with a PC BSD btton
[11:20] <kwwii> Jucato: probably just improvements
[11:20] <MrWGW> because other than the buttons, the Crystal theme is perfect for what I'm trying to do
[11:20] <MrWGW> well, almost
[11:21] <kwwii> yeah, it is very flexible and looks pretty good
[11:21] <MrWGW> how hard is it to make a window decorations theme, though? I heard they had to be hard coded in c++
[11:21] <kwwii> yeah, the engine itself is coded
[11:21] <Jucato> they are
[11:21] <Jucato> so are styles
[11:21] <MrWGW> my only gripe with crystal is that the edges are the same color as the title bar
[11:21] <Jucato> which makes me amazed at the amount of styles and windecos in kde-look...
[11:21] <Jucato> (it's not that hard to code after all, lol!)
[11:22] <MrWGW> someone needs to code a GUI-based window decoration creator
[11:22] <MrWGW> so you can just copy and paste .svgs and then blammo
[11:22] <Jucato> that will be hard
[11:22] <MrWGW> is it as hard, btw, to create Metacity window decorations?
[11:23] <Jucato> afaik, Metacity is a pixmap-based window decoration. the KDE equivalent would be deKorator and IceWM
[11:23] <MrWGW> interesting
[11:24] <Jucato> er.. s/Metacity is/Metacity uses/
[11:24] <MrWGW> I need to get involved in a GNOME project also, but right now, my first priority is PC-BSD and no. 2 is Kubuntu
[11:24] <MrWGW> for various reasons
[11:31] <MrWGW> btw, can KDE icons be .svgs?
[11:31] <MrWGW> and also, can they support alpha channels or index transparency?
[01:02] <mhb> good afternoon
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[01:28] <Tonio_> YEEEEEEEEEEES it works :)
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/48
[01:28] <Tonio_> I wrote that myself hehe :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> I start understanding how c++ code works :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> okay klibido can now be integrated to .nzb extension, cool !
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed adept seems to lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock now....
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping manchicken about that, maybe that's due to one of his patches...
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: what's interweb ?
[01:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's this global international webby thing
[01:57] <kwwii> well, back online, how nice
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I still don't understand, but that's not a problem :)
[01:58] <mhb> you two are at UDsprint, right?
[01:58] <Riddell> FeistySprint, yes
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: no news concerning kde release ?
[01:59] <Riddell> no, but it'll be early next week I guess
[01:59] <Riddell> probably kdevelop separate release too
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: the baloon bug is fixed :)
[02:00] <Tonio_> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdelibs/kdeui/qxembed.cpp?rev=626568&r1=626568&view=log
[02:00] <Tonio_> latest commit
[02:00] <Tonio_> that's a good news
[02:01] <Jucato> so the bug was in kdelibs?
[02:02] <Tonio_> looks like yes...
[02:02] <Riddell> he says the bug was in kopete
[02:02] <Riddell> the packages on kubuntu.org have the fix now
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah the 2 commits are to kdeui afaicr
[02:04] <Tonio_> that's what the bug says at least....
[02:05] <Riddell> yes, but he still claims its a kopete bug :)
[02:05] <Riddell> don't ask me
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki ;)
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it's fixed so kde might be released soon, that's cool
[02:05] <Jucato> :)
[02:05] <Tonio_> since I have a hudge bunch of improvements to test ;)
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you going to resync kdelibs with svn ?
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: x-nzb mimetype has been hadded 6 days ago and is usefull for what I'm just doing on klibido
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: in case no I might add it via a patch
[02:35] <Tonio_> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/mimetypes/application/x-nzb.desktop?rev=625182&view=log
[02:35] <Tonio_> it is globally usefull for usenet I must say ;
[02:35] <Tonio_> ;)
[02:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: able to send me the patch?
[02:35] <Riddell> seems 3.5.6 might be being released sooner than I thought
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[02:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: so no svn sync ? :) will send you the patch, okay gimme a minute
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is the patch : http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/49
[02:44] <Riddell> thanks Tonio_
[02:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: your servant :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: where are those pics?
[02:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which pics ?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: the ones of you in a dress
[02:46] <praetor> does thedailywtf.com crash Konqueror for anyone else?
[02:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't understand, there is no pic, that's a mimetype
[02:46] <Tonio_> praetor: not here, at least the front page works
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: from the previous discussion, ~3 hours ago
[02:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: remind me the discussion please :)
[02:47] <Hobbsee> [21:12]  <Tonio_> we went to a concert and I shaved my legs and dressed as a wooman
[02:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah no image on my desktop :) that real photo in a box, sorry ;)
[02:48] <kwwii> Tonio_ is slowly wierding out
[02:48] <kwwii> :p
[02:48] <praetor> btw, Riddell/Hobbsee/Tonio_: give me some code to write? :P
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: meet scanner.  scanner meet Tonio_
[02:48] <Hobbsee> praetor: fix everything, kthnksbye!
[02:48] <praetor> kk
[02:48] <praetor> :-)
[02:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let me search a bit
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: :)
[02:48] <Tonio_> where can that be....
[02:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it was 10 years ago you know....
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe, yes :)  hope your filing system's good
[02:49] <Riddell> hi praetor
[02:50] <praetor> hi Riddell, how is the adept stuff coming along?
[02:51] <praetor> i had a look at i believe I saw that you ported the updater to Qt?
[02:51] <Riddell> well, I'm working on it
[02:51] <Riddell> it even seems to be successfully updating
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:52] <Riddell> praetor: WRT adept, the XAUTHORITY stuff is the most important just now
[02:52] <Riddell> but it's fiddly as anything
[02:52] <Riddell> basicly work out why XAUTHORITY isn't working in adept (it'll be a kdesu problem, not adept's problem)
[02:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I just don't find it.... so many photos here ;
[02:53] <Hobbsee> awwww
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I promiss to put it here if I find it
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[02:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll ask to  my friend, he certainly has them
[02:54] <Tonio_> fabo: ping ?
[02:54] <Tonio_> fabo: I did a few changes to klibido, so as you are the debian maintainer you might be interested
[02:55] <LongPointyStick> Tonio_: multiple people should have access to that...
[02:55] <LongPointyStick> myself included
[02:55] <LongPointyStick> (in debian)
[02:56] <Tonio_> LongPointyStick: that's the point, he will probably merge the changes in debian
[03:04] <\sh> patching kdenetworks kppp to support umts cards with nozomi driver devices
[03:04] <Riddell> \sh: hang on, I have 3.5.6 to upload
[03:05] <Riddell> \sh: send me the debdiff if you get whatever you're doing done today
[03:05] <\sh> Riddell, nozomi drivers are not officially in our kernel...I just pointed benc to the driver page...but kppp doesn't list /dev/noz[0-9]  devices
[03:06] <\sh> Riddell, I'll send you the patch to kdenetwork-3.5.x/kppp/devices.h
[03:07] <\sh> and I have to check how to create a template for german vodafone umts network services
[03:07] <praetor> kdesu does not have its own package?
[03:07] <\sh> it's in kdebase, isn't it?
[03:07] <Riddell> praetor: it's split between kdelibs and kdebase
[03:08] <Riddell> making it extra complex
[03:08] <Riddell> and kdesu_stub is C not C++
[03:08] <Riddell> which always scares me
[03:42] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <nixternal> boo
[03:45] <\sh> hey nixternal :)
[03:45] <nixternal> hiya \sh
[04:36] <Riddell> any objections to me uploading 3.5.6?
[04:37] <gnomefreak> not here
[04:37] <gnomefreak> to edgy or feisty?
[04:39] <Riddell> feisty
[04:39] <Riddell> but I should make the webpage for edgy too
[04:44] <gnomefreak> it seems very stable on feisty i havent had any issues with kde itself my issues stem for the dockers and not being able to find a clock applet that can sit on desktop since the docker im using cant add a clock but i think i need to speak to imbrandon about the dockers
[04:47] <jdong> Riddell, KDE 3.5.6 library-wise remains binary-compatible with previous 3.5.x releases, right?
[04:48] <Riddell> jdong: of course
[04:48] <jdong> lovely :)
[04:48] <jdong> Riddell, is there a preliminary release notes / changelog for 3.5.6 yet?
[04:49] <sebas> jdong: It'll be released within the hour
[04:49] <jdong> sebas, cool
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php: "Kubuntu 6.10 LTS (Dapper)" Must be "Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)"
[05:05] <jdong> cool! Edgy is LTS!
[05:05] <jdong> Riddell: ^^
[05:08] <sebas> jdong: It's out, see www.kde.org
[05:08] <Jucato> yay! :)
[05:08] <Riddell> jdong: ?
[05:09] <jdong> Riddell: look at the announcement
[05:09] <jdong> Kubuntu 6.10 LTS (Dapper)
[05:10] <Riddell> fixed
[05:10] <jdong> ok :)
[05:11] <Jucato> wb kwwii
[05:12] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:12] <kwwii> howdy
[05:12] <gnomefreak> jdong: == ball buster
[05:12] <kwwii> 2 hours to render a pic with inkscape, someone tell me that is right
[05:12] <mhb> ew
[05:12] <gnomefreak> depends on how detailed maybe?
[05:13] <jdong> well, x264 non-PIC took 30min to compile, so with PIC... oh wait wrong subject
[05:13] <kwwii> nope, its because it uses guassian blur on two objects
[05:14] <sebas> I told you in berlin already that powerpcs are slow, kwwii ;-)
[05:14] <kwwii> sebas: this is my new core duo thinkpad x60s
[05:14] <kwwii> :p
[05:15] <kwwii> the fastest machine I have
[05:15] <kwwii> and also the smallest
[05:15] <sebas> Well, then something's wrong with freaking inkscape.
[05:15] <sebas> Thinkpads can't be wrong
[05:15] <kwwii> yepp
[05:17] <kwwii> at least I am not bitching about kde for a change :p
[05:24] <Lure> jdong: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php
[05:24] <jdong> Lure: yep, got it
[06:23] <Tonio_> sebas: ping ?
[06:25] <sebas> Tonio_: pong
[06:25] <Tonio_> sebas: I did  a little patch for systemsettings in order to manage universe kcm files correctly
[06:25] <Tonio_> it adds more categories for patchinf the kcm desktop files
[06:26] <Tonio_> sebas: can I submit you the patch for svn commit ?
[06:26] <sebas> So, sure, check in whatever you want ;-)
[06:27] <Tonio_> sebas: ah.... I'll ping luka then, don't waste time with me :)
[06:27] <sebas> sime is the one to ask for systemsettings I think
[06:27] <sebas> Or maybe lure
[06:27] <Tonio_> luka also commits on it I think
[06:58] <Daskreech2> Whats the libmeanwhile1 library for?
[07:02] <sebas> Description: open implementation of the Lotus Sametime Community Client protocol This library provides the basic Lotus Sametime Community Client session functionality along with the core services; Presence, Messaging, and Conferencing.
[07:02] <sebas> According to apt-cache show libmeanwhile1
[07:02] <Daskreech2> Yeah I read that. I guess my question is why does Kopete require it?
[07:03] <Daskreech2> There is a lotus plugin now?
[07:03] <sebas> Dunno
[07:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reported there is an issue with kde 3.5.6 packages and edgy
[07:05] <Tonio_> conflict between kde-i18n-fr and koffice-i18n-fr
[07:05] <Tonio_> conflict about that file /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/kdgantt.mo
[07:06] <Tonio_> did they merge koffice i18n in kde for 3.5.6 ?
[07:07] <Daskreech2> sebas: Yep it's a Lotus protoco
[07:07] <Daskreech2>  I guess the flag was just left on
[07:07] <sebas> KOffice is not even part of KDE 3.5.6, it has its own release cycles
[07:08] <sebas> hej \sh
[07:09] <\sh> hey sebas :) how you doing? :)
[07:11] <sebas> \sh: busybusybusy ... good!
[07:12] <\sh> sebas: trying to come to fosdem next month...depending how my GF is feeling :)
[07:13] <Tm_T> sebas: GF as GeForce?
[07:13] <sebas> If she feels good enough for you to go, we'll have beer together :-)
[07:13] <Tm_T> Whops, \sh
[07:13] <Tm_T> What?!
[07:14] <jdong> Tm_T: ya feeling the G-forces from sebas yet? :D
[07:14] <sebas> My Geforce is hot!
[07:14] <Tm_T> It is!
[07:14] <\sh> sebas: sure we will :) and a good cigar...GF is pregnant and I'm totally crazy now ;)
[07:14] <jdong> hope it's not demoted to legacy drivers? :D
[07:15] <Tm_T> Actually mine's too, dunno why it keep getting even over 120?C
[07:15] <Tm_T> \sh: Nice. :)
[07:16] <\sh> Tm_T: yepp :)
[07:17] <Tm_T> I'm tempted to start talking about babies but I think it's better not.
[07:18] <Tm_T> Just have too much to say about them. ;)
[07:18] <jdong> aww come on, nobody's come up with an SLI joke yet?
[07:19] <Tm_T> jdong: Superbly Limited Imbesil?
[07:20] <Daskreech2> imbecile?
[07:20] <Tm_T> No, that's me.
[07:24] <sebas> \sh: Ooow, I hope it's your fault :>
[07:24] <Tm_T> No, it was me.
[07:25] <Tm_T> I don't consider myself as selfdestructive at all.
[07:31] <\sh> sebas: yeah, my lucky shot :)
[07:48] <sebas> Hehehe
[07:48] <Daskreech2> Fun
[07:51] <Daskreech2> How do I kick another Nick?
[07:51] <jdong>  /msg nickserv ghost nick pw?
[07:51] <jdong> something like that
[07:52] <Daskreech2> >_<
[07:52] <daskreech> Sweet :)
[07:53] <daskreech>  I used to know that as /ghost
[07:53] <daskreech> Wonder if I can make an alias in Konversation
[07:54] <daskreech> :-)
[07:54] <daskreech> Nice
[07:54] <\sh> ok..time to go to my hotel..and have a rest
[07:57] <sebas> Sleep well \sh
[07:58] <\sh> sebas: thx :) you too :)
[08:01] <daskreech> 30% to 3.5.6 :-)
[08:17] <Lure> sebas: nice conslusion on irc in kdenetwork discussion
[08:28] <toma> evening
[08:31] <mhb> good evening toma
[08:38] <sebas> Lure: Thanks
[09:04] <daskreech> 80% :)
[09:30] <Lure> Riddell: will you upload 3.5.6 to feisty?
[09:33] <daskreech> I think he did already
[09:33] <daskreech>  at least so it said on the announcement
[10:10] <Tonio_> Lure: ping ?
[10:11] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[10:11] <Tonio_> Lure: fine ?
[10:11] <Lure> Tonio_: great, and you?
[10:11] <Tonio_> very nice :)
[10:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I just improved kss a bit
[10:12] <Tonio_> can you revu my patch and sync with svn ?
[10:12] <Lure> Tonio_: yep
[10:12] <Tonio_> Lure: okay, to make it simple the patch creates more subsections categories, in order to manage universe apps kcm correctly
[10:13] <Lure> Tonio_: in Standard or in Advanced?
[10:13] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/50
[10:13] <Tonio_> both
[10:13] <Lure> you have a screenshot?
[10:13] <Tonio_> but I didn't touch advanced
[10:13] <Tonio_> Lure: no graphical change
[10:13] <Tonio_> Lure: I just create more categories
[10:14] <Tonio_> so that when you install a universe application that has a kcm module, I can patch it to go to the right section
[10:14] <Lure> Tonio_: nice - is there any app I can test it with?
[10:14] <Tonio_> for example ksynaptics has to go to keyboard and mouse
[10:14] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, put the patch and for example install kmldonkey
[10:15] <Tonio_> should go to network/shares section
[10:15] <Tonio_> Lure: I tested widelly, that works
[10:15] <Lure> Tonio_: ok will check this
[10:15] <Tonio_> Lure: you also can with that patch install ksynaptics
[10:15] <Lure> my concern is only advanced/standard
[10:15] <Tonio_> should be with keyboard and mouse
[10:15] <Tonio_> Lure: no change on that point
[10:15] <Lure> Tonio_: some stuff would be better in Advanced, otherwise Universe can clutter Standard view
[10:16] <Tonio_> you mean ?
[10:16] <Tonio_> Lure: that's the idea
[10:16] <Tonio_> I don't want to add everything to the standard view
[10:16] <Tonio_> but in subsections
[10:16] <Tonio_> that's why I did that patch
[10:17] <Tonio_> I didn't want to put ksynaptics in "computer administration" but in the keyboard and mouse category
[10:17] <Tonio_> that's the idea
[10:17] <Tonio_> just gives more possibilities in fact, but no change on rationnale
[10:18] <Lure> Tonio_: I understand that, however we need to think how widely we apply categories from standard
[10:18] <Tonio_> you mean ?
[10:18] <Lure> Tonio_: otherwise kss can explode for users with plenty of apps
[10:19] <Lure> Tonio_: if you add 5 style packages that have kcm module under Apperance, it would be pretty cluttered
[10:19] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe I am over concerned and my example is not good enough, but still
[10:19] <Tonio_> Lure: I looked and there seem to be only 10 apps in universe with kcm modules
[10:19] <Tonio_> not that much in fact
[10:20] <Lure> Tonio_: ok, then I am overreacting ;-)
[10:20] <Tonio_> yeah probably ;)
[10:20] <Tonio_> Lure: note that I need to patch all universe apps
[10:20] <Tonio_> so I'll take care not to put all of them in the same category :)
[10:21] <Lure> Tonio_: right
[10:21] <Tonio_> Lure: the tags I've added are different from kcontrol ones, to avoid polution
[10:47] <Zerlinna> ping riddell
[10:48] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: do I need to get some core-dev approval for main package sync request? bug 81549
[10:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81549 in libkipi "Please sync libkipi 0.1.5-1 from debian/experimental (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81549
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: will do thanks for the info :)
[10:49] <Tonio_> Lure: do you have the package ready?
[10:49] <Lure> Tonio_: it is in debian - only archive-admin has to sync it
[10:49] <Lure> (no upload needed)
[10:50] <Tonio_> hum great, let's go then :)
[10:50] <Lure> Tonio_: I just do not know if sync can be request by anybody or just by core-dev... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources is not very clear
[10:51] <Enola_Gay> Hi all
[10:51] <Tonio_> let me have a look
[10:52] <Enola_Gay> I have installed KDE 3.5.6 under Edgy and have a problem with Kopete. If I send encrypted messages they are shown encrypted in my log and the received ones too since 3.5.6. Has something changed?
[10:52] <Tonio_> Lure: I would say everyone can
[10:52] <Enola_Gay> The gpg-agent doesn't ask for passwords anymore.
[10:53] <Lure> Tonio_: I just see that some universe one's have ACK from MOTUs, see bug 81301
[10:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81301 in devilspie "please sync devilspie 0.20.1-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81301
[10:54] <Tonio_> Lure: hum....
[10:54] <Tonio_> well try and you'll see :)
[10:55] <Lure> Tonio_: ;-)
[10:55] <Lure> Tonio_: re your diff: you want this in kde svn? Or should we try it first in Feisty and then commit to kde svn?
[10:55] <Tonio_> Lure: if it gets rejected, I'll do it then
[10:55] <Tonio_> Lure: concerning the patch you decide
[10:55] <Tonio_> we can commit it after, no problem
[10:56] <ryanakca> when does feisty artwork gets started (or has it already?)?
[10:56] <Lure> ryanakca: you need to pink kwwii - they have distro sprint this week, so it will probably get clear
[10:57] <ryanakca> yeah
[10:57] <ryanakca> pink... hmm... sounds different... new desktop color :D
[10:58] <Lure> Tonio_: too me, this change looks OK - however, I am not sure what SIme_ would say...
[10:58] <ryanakca> there's only SUSE that I know of with green...
[10:58] <Tonio_> Lure: well let's ask him when he's arround
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i know ubuntu artwork starts getting in sometime in feb.
[11:19] <daskreech> Night!
[11:43] <ryanakca> umm.... is this normal? Cannot find KInetD. The KDE daemon (kded) may have crashed or has not been started at all, or the installation failed.
[11:43] <ryanakca> That's when starting kfrb...
[11:49] <Enola_Gay> Anyone knows how to deal with the encryption bug in Kopete 3.5.6?
[11:54] <Enola_Gay> ok, I am going to remove 3.5.6 again
[11:54] <Enola_Gay> cu all