[12:13] <gabaryah> alright
[12:13] <gabaryah> i'll have to use vista
[12:14] <gabaryah> once it's working than i'll install grub again but use MBR instead
[12:14] <elyon225> gabaryah: Looks like that may be your only option.
[12:14] <elyon225> gabaryah: I could be wrong, of course... but that seems the easiest thing to do with little chance of making more problems.
[12:15] <gabaryah> sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[12:15] <gabaryah> thats what i tried typing
[12:15] <elyon225> gabaryah: Maybe if Microsoft would put out a LiveCD of Vista, it would be easier to troubleshoot ;)
[12:16] <gabaryah> or /dev/hd0
[12:16] <gabaryah> maybe i should try /de/hd0
[12:16] <elyon225> gabaryah: You're on your own there... I've never manually installed grub
[12:17] <gabaryah> lol ok
[12:17] <elyon225> But... it would be /dev/hda0
[12:17] <gabaryah> right
[12:18] <elyon225> Alright, well it's time for me to take off... I'll try getting help with my problems later :)
[12:18] <moparisthebest> can someone help me with an fstab problem?
[12:18] <elyon225> Seeya... and good luck, gabaryah
[12:18] <gabaryah> i'll use vista to get back my defaut boot option
[12:18] <elyon225> !ask
[12:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:18] <moparisthebest> I installed ex2IFS in windows so I can view my linux partition
[12:18] <gabaryah> question after i have it working & use ubuntu live cd to install grub will it find vista?
[12:19] <moparisthebest> and now linux wont boot
[12:19] <moparisthebest> I think the UUID in fstab has changed, or rather needs to change now that windows changed my drive
[12:19] <moparisthebest> does anyone know how I would find that value to fix fstab?
[12:20] <VSpike> moparisthebest: it may not be the best solution, but you could specify manually using the old style /dev/hda1
[12:20] <Minataku> "Old style"
[12:20] <Minataku> ?
[12:20] <moparisthebest> VSpike, Ill show you the line
[12:20] <Minataku> You mean THE style
[12:20] <Minataku> lol
[12:20] <VSpike> yeah :)
[12:20] <moparisthebest> # /dev/sda1
[12:20] <moparisthebest> UUID=bb0fb71c-3943-49f9-baa3-7d031ad58c64 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:21] <moparisthebest> thats the 2 lines now
[12:21] <moparisthebest> can I get rid of the UUID thing ?
[12:21] <VSpike> the comments suggests you could try:
[12:22] <VSpike>  /dev/sda1    /    ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro    0    1
[12:22] <moparisthebest> ok, Ill try it, thanks
[12:22] <moparisthebest> stupid windows...
[12:22] <VSpike> Thunderbird looks really ugly in KDE... is there a way to sort it out?
[12:22] <VSpike> Mainly the big clunky fonts
[12:23] <Minataku> There we go
[12:23] <VSpike> I hate the Gnome style file dialogs too :/
[12:23] <Minataku> Nice and fast, all done CLI style
[12:23] <cpk1> whats wrong with kmail? =D
[12:23] <Minataku> VSpike: There's some thing to configure GTK stuff
[12:24] <VSpike> cpk1: I thought about that.. it's for my wife, who was used to thunderbird under windows.
[12:24] <VSpike> Baby steps
[12:24] <Minataku> Thankfully, despite their use of GTK, Firefox and Thunderbird kick total ass
[12:24] <Minataku> VSpike: No further steps needed
[12:24] <Minataku> Don't switch to crap when you're using gold
[12:24] <VSpike> :)
[12:24] <VSpike> I haven't used either enough to comment
[12:24] <Minataku> Firefox uber alles
[12:25] <Minataku> AMD-AM27C1024.bin:        BIOS (ia32) ROM Ext. (96*512)
[12:25] <Minataku> NATIONAL-NM27C010.bin:    BIOS (ia32) ROM Ext. IBM comp. Video (64*512)
[12:25] <AHinMaine> quick question, what's the equivalent of 'rpm -qf /some/filename' to see in which package a file belongs?
[12:25] <Alumin> moparisthebest: it's an alternate reference method
[12:25] <Minataku> Awesome, file(1) identified them
[12:25] <cpk1> i havent run into any problems with kmail...
[12:25] <Alumin> you can also do LABEL=/ or such if your volumes have labels
[12:25] <Minataku> AMD-AM27C512.bin:         BIOS (ia32) ROM Ext. (64*512)
[12:25] <Minataku> Well, not all of them
[12:25] <Alumin> but people usually just call them by device name
[12:25] <VSpike> Minataku: In the KDE System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and fonts, I have use my KDE theme and use my KDE fonts selected
[12:26] <slyfox> Can someone please help with this error: http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2701/amarokerror36pi.jpg
[12:26] <Minataku> 3 out of 7 but that's pretty good for file(1) being fed BIOS images
[12:26] <Minataku> lol
[12:26] <moparisthebest> ok Alumin thanks, I just referenced it by the device name, it should work
[12:26] <VSpike> cpk1: I'm definitely not convinced by Evolution
[12:26] <Minataku> VSpike: Hm... weird
[12:26] <moparisthebest> I can test after this finished compressing...
[12:26] <slyfox> How do I make it so that russian characters are displayed in Kbuntu - I am a noob
[12:26] <Minataku> Slow down there, one problem at a time
[12:26] <Minataku> lol
[12:26] <moparisthebest> slyfox, you can apt-get the fonts I believe
[12:26] <cpk1> i barely used evolution back in the day so i cant comment on that
[12:26] <ejm> quit petting people!
[12:26] <Minataku> In this instance, for your sake
[12:27] <Minataku> ejm: NEVAR
[12:27] <Minataku> Wait
[12:27] <Minataku> Why?
[12:27] <slyfox> moparisthebest: there are so many of them, any idea what ?
[12:27] <ejm> jk
[12:27] <Minataku> slyfox: Any
[12:27] <slyfox> Minataku: pets ?
[12:27] <m1291> need help to install ftp
[12:27] <moparisthebest> slyfox, just the russian ones
[12:27] <ejm> need help installing ati drivers.
[12:27] <moparisthebest> in about 20 minutes I can look for you :P
[12:27] <Minataku> slyfox: Yes, pet, like one would pet a cute little kitty or a cute little fox
[12:27] <Alumin> m1291: apt-get install kftpgrabber
[12:27] <Minataku> Or similar
[12:27] <ejm> but I'm sure I'll find it on the wiki.
[12:28] <slyfox> moparisthebest: will this solve this problem? http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2701/amarokerror36pi.jpg
[12:28] <Minataku> An SGS M2716 EPROM has 2048 bytes of storage
[12:28] <Minataku> Today's trivia
[12:28] <slyfox> Minataku: I should go into Adept and type this in and downlaod it  - "pets"  ?
[12:28] <Alumin> ejm: ATI distributes their own GUI installer now that you can use
[12:28] <moparisthebest> it looks like it would slyfox
[12:28] <Minataku> slyfox: No, no, no
[12:28] <Minataku> lol
[12:28] <Alumin> or you can install the fglrx packages
[12:28] <ejm> ok
[12:28] <ejm> thanks.
[12:28] <Alumin> uh
[12:28] <Minataku> I pet you as in an action, literally as one would a dog or cat
[12:28] <Minataku> lol
[12:28] <Alumin> linux-restricted modules
[12:29] <Alumin> look at that package, it has fglrx
[12:29] <slyfox> Bleeehhh
[12:29] <ejm> I'm a suse guy, but I don't have enough RAM to run suse anymore.
[12:29] <Alumin> or is it linux-modules-restricted
[12:29] <Minataku> Sorry, I didn't intend to confuse you
[12:29] <Alumin> something like that
[12:29] <Minataku> ejm: So you picked a distro with KDE as default? :P
[12:29] <Alumin> apt-cache search fglrx :p
[12:29] <ejm> yeah
[12:29] <ejm> Kde is good,
[12:30] <Minataku> Not for low-RAM systems
[12:30] <AHinMaine> Minataku: actually I just switched away from suse 10.2.  The default kde install of ubuntu is using about 150-200MB less ram than suse.
[12:30] <ejm> I'm going to probably switch to xfce.
[12:30] <slyfox>  Does anyone know which one is better to use? smbfs ir cifs ?
[12:30] <Minataku> ejm: If you're not seriously GUI codependent, use a lightweight WM
[12:30] <Minataku> Like fluxbox, which is one I'm partial to
[12:30] <VSpike> Minataku: That's wierd. It actually looks OK my login, but chunky on hers.  Our settings are pretty much the same AFAICT.  Anyway, in hers I've forced GT style and 8pt fonts in the GTK appearance, and now it looks fine
[12:31] <VSpike> Minataku: So problem solved, but kind of odd.
[12:31] <m1291> how to change to root?
[12:31] <Alumin> slyfox: samba is an implementation of SMB/CIFS
[12:31] <Minataku> VSpike: Well, there's two different settings for the two different people
[12:32] <ejm> Well, I don't know my way around terminals to go full-time Slackware, and gentoo is too much techno stuff for me to handle anymore.
[12:32] <Alumin> ejm: are you aware of Xubuntu?
[12:32] <ejm> yeah
[12:32] <Alumin> k
[12:32] <slyfox> Alumin: implementation
[12:32] <ejm> I'm always looking for new distros to try.
[12:32] <slyfox> Alumin: implementation  ?
[12:32] <VSpike> Minataku: Yeah, and although we don't use the same styles, both logins had those GTK to use KDE fonts/themes settings, and both had similar styles and fonts for KDE apps.
[12:32] <Alumin> slyfox: from the "user perspective", SMB and CIFS are the same thing
[12:33] <VSpike> Minataku: Maybe it is a bug with whichever style she was using.
[12:33] <Alumin> they're both MS protocols implemented by Samba
[12:33] <m1291> How do I change to root?
[12:33] <Minataku> Hm
[12:33] <TAMACRACKA> :\ I keep tryin to open a program, and it just closes instantly without even opening.
[12:33] <Minataku> VSpike: That is weird, then
[12:33] <Alumin> m1291: su, sudo
[12:33] <Minataku> Perhaps she didn't have access to some fonts or something, I dunno
[12:33] <Minataku> It's fixed now
[12:33] <Minataku> lol
[12:33] <VSpike> lol
[12:33] <VSpike> yeah
[12:33] <m1291> ?
[12:33] <slyfox> Does anyone know hot to automatically mount samba shares in a wireless network? Meaning there must be a delay before it mounts, because I first need to establsih the connection.
[12:34] <VSpike> Is there any way I can make the menus and dialogs in xmms and other not QT/GTK apps look less 1980's?
[12:34] <LjL> xmms *is* a GTK app. it's just GTK 1
[12:34] <TAMACRACKA> is there any way possible i can get my program to open without having to restart my machine?
[12:34] <VSpike> I know it's a small detail
[12:34] <VSpike> ljl ah ok .. soz
[12:34] <LjL> and VSpike, you can change the theme, but they'll never quite look very good
[12:34] <Minataku> Hey, 1980s looks cool
[12:34] <VSpike> sometimes
[12:35] <Minataku> Or any system where I can get CDE for free with
[12:35] <Minataku> Motif's look FTW
[12:36] <slyfox> I want to install cyrillic fonts so that I can display files which have russian names, but when I go to Adept and type cyrillic, I get so many results. I am a confused noob :-( Help
[12:36] <AHinMaine> anyone skilled with the package commands here?
[12:36] <ejm> ugh, I can't stand CDE.
[12:36] <ejm> too 1980s.
[12:37] <Minataku> I love CDE, 1980s and nothing newer <3
[12:37] <ejm> even though CDE isn't from the '80s.
[12:37] <Minataku> Motif is from around then
[12:37] <ejm> Anyhoo, I need to do some other stuff. Thanks for the bit of help.
[12:37] <VSpike> I love retro computing but it just looks out of place in KDE
[12:37] <AHinMaine> ejm:  i haven't looked to see it's available in a repository or anything, but you might give windowmaker a try.  very lightweight, and it's got a very nice configuration tool.
[12:37] <Minataku> And that's what CDE uses
[12:37] <ejm> oooh yeah
[12:37] <ubuntu> hi
[12:38] <ejm> I forgot--most debian distros have many more packages and GUIs than suse.
[12:38] <Minataku> Eh... I'm partial to Fluxbox
[12:38] <ejm> That one too.
[12:38] <Minataku> Very lightweight, no frills
[12:38] <ejm> yeah
[12:38] <VSpike> gnustep was ok
[12:38] <Minataku> Does what it's supposed to do... manage windows, launch things and stay out of my way
[12:38] <VSpike> fvwm2
[12:38] <simbios> kubuntu uses suspend2 for hibernating?
[12:38] <ejm> oh that reminds me, what do some of you think of debian's fork of firefox/tunderbird?
[12:38] <Alumin> slyfox: try "apt-cache search cyrillic | grep -i font"
[12:39] <Alumin> ejm: iceweasel?
[12:39] <ejm> oh wait, this is kubuntu--no firefox on kubuntu.
[12:39] <ejm> yes, iceweasel.
[12:39] <slyfox> Alumin: I get a lot of results, too many
[12:39] <Alumin> I'm glad the two parties found a way to make it work that satisfied both their needs
[12:40] <m1291> tried to login with su but password is wrong, how to do?
[12:40] <ejm> yeah.
[12:40] <ejm> sudo instead of su
[12:40] <LjL> Ubotu, tell m1291 about root | m1291, see the private message from Ubotu
[12:40] <Alumin> a lot of people complain that Debian is being elitist with the iceweasel thing
[12:40] <Alumin> but
[12:40] <Minataku> Speaking of old computers I'm in the Lecture/Lab Microprocessors class now, and I used some spare time (gained because I'm good with computers already) to dump a bunch of ROMs from computers I've taken apart
[12:40] <Minataku> lol
[12:40] <ejm> well, Debian is a free-software organization.
[12:40] <Alumin> if you notice, it's the same demographic that complains about the lack of proprietary multimedia codecs and stuff like that
[12:40] <ejm> wow.
[12:40] <Alumin> which is the entire point of Debian
[12:41] <ejm> yeah
[12:41] <Minataku> Debian sh?ts themselves over anything that doesn't fit their stupid guidelines
[12:41] <VSpike> The other wierd thing I have is that I tried making some changes in the Login Manager in system settings, but most of them did not work
[12:41] <Minataku> And come on... "Iceweasel"?
[12:41] <Alumin> if you want all that stuff installed by default, get Fedora or Mandrake or Lindows or something
[12:41] <Minataku> Firefox FTW, "Iceweasel" FTL
[12:41] <Minataku> Alumin: I took a different path
[12:41] <tamacracka> Minataku!
[12:41] <ejm> Anyway, I should check my laptop out, see if there's some new kde stuff.
[12:41] <tamacracka> i restarted my machine
[12:42] <Alumin> Debian is the Manowar of GNU/Linux distributions
[12:42] <Minataku> tamacracka: And?
[12:42] <tamacracka> and it unmounted again
[12:42] <tamacracka> i got an error
[12:42] <tamacracka> hold on
[12:42] <Minataku> tamacracka: The important thing is that I was right and GRUB worked flawlessly
[12:42] <xsacha> can someone tell me how i get ndiswrapper working for my laptop which has a wireless card? it cant get the internet and i dont have windows
[12:42] <Minataku> XD
[12:42] <tamacracka> lol
[12:42] <tamacracka> yeah but i uh..
[12:42] <tamacracka> put my back up files back on it
[12:42] <VSpike> I wonder, what do the free software purists use for advanced 3d graphics work in the way of hardware?
[12:42] <tamacracka> and uh..
[12:42] <tamacracka> i really need those files
[12:42] <xsacha> and got no spare cds
[12:42] <tamacracka> and it unmounted again
[12:42] <Minataku> tamacracka: I'm sure the drive is okay
[12:42] <Minataku> Easily remounted
[12:43] <tamacracka> i clicked on mount
[12:43] <Alumin> they don't waver at all, and you know what...when (if?) the day comes that there are free software alternatives for all this stuff, Debian (and its descendants) are going to be the clear best distro
[12:43] <tamacracka> and it said it can't find an NTFS file
[12:43] <Minataku> Even if it was an improper shutdown it should be okay, ext3 is pretty strong (not that you should do it all the time)
[12:43] <tamacracka> should i delete FUSE?
[12:43] <Minataku> tamacracka: No, no
[12:43] <Minataku> It must think it's still an NTFS partition
[12:43] <tamacracka> :\ it still thinks it's an NTFS
[12:43] <tamacracka> yeah!
[12:43] <tamacracka> how do i clear this problem?
[12:44] <Minataku> Find where that thought is stored and change it
[12:44] <tamacracka> LOL
[12:44] <tamacracka> keep in mind, im a noob
[12:44] <Minataku> Stupid autoconfiguration crap, you'd think it'd be smart enough to notice when something is different
[12:44] <tamacracka> lol right?
[12:44] <tamacracka> i remember doing somethin in the changelog?
[12:44] <tamacracka> i forgot what it's called
[12:44] <Minataku> tamacracka: Keep in mind, I have no clue how Kubuntu manages any of that fancy user-obfuscation crap
[12:44] <Minataku> lol
[12:45] <Alumin> personally I like the name iceweasel, it makes me smile
[12:45] <tamacracka> oh boy
[12:45] <tamacracka> i dunno what to do at this point.
[12:45] <Minataku> Easy, keep-the-user-away things tend to obfuscate everything and make real administration difficult
[12:45] <Minataku> tamacracka: You can mount it manually
[12:45] <tamacracka> through terminal?
[12:45] <Minataku> Indeed
[12:45] <Minataku> Where do you want it?
[12:45] <tamacracka> mount /media/hda1
[12:45] <tamacracka> ?
[12:45] <SpYmAn> SOmebody knows how install counter strike on Kubuntu??
[12:46] <Minataku> Okay... that directory is owned by you, right?
[12:46] <tamacracka> yeah should be >.>
[12:46] <VSpike> Some people should not be allowed email
[12:46] <Minataku> First... one sec
[12:46] <tamacracka> lol VSpike
[12:47] <VSpike> tamacracka: sorry... just receiving really old and not even funny the first time email "jokes" from a relative
[12:47] <Minataku> Okay
[12:47] <Minataku> tamacracka: Type id and tell me what your UID is
[12:47] <tamacracka> ha
[12:47] <Alumin> SpYmAn: good luck, Valve games aren't very Linux-friendly these days thanks to Steam
[12:47] <tamacracka> ok
[12:47] <Minataku> It'll probably be something like 1000 but I want to be sure
[12:48] <genii> Minataku :)
[12:48] <Minataku> Heya, genii :D
[12:48] <Alumin> or did they finally make a Linux steam client
[12:48] <tamacracka> id
[12:48] <tamacracka> does nothing.
[12:48] <tamacracka> di?
[12:48] <Minataku> tamacracka: Aw, damn it >.<
[12:48] <Minataku> tamacracka: No, it's "id"
[12:48] <Minataku> I guess Kubuntu doesn't have it
[12:48] <tamacracka> nope
[12:48] <tamacracka> nada
[12:48] <Minataku> One sec
[12:48] <BluesKaj> VSpike, joke of the day , no doubt , there are some funny ones but most are pretty lame
[12:48] <Alumin> everything has id
[12:48] <matt0507> hi guys
[12:48] <SpYmAn> ok.. thx
[12:49] <matt0507> is there anyway to play embeded wmv files in firefix?
[12:49] <tamacracka> ok
[12:49] <Alumin> tamacracka: what about /usr/bin/id
[12:49] <tamacracka> type that into terminal?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> yes matt0507, make sure you have mplayer plugin installed
[12:49] <Alumin> it's in coreutils, if you don't have it then you've got bigger problems
[12:49] <Minataku> tamacracka: Yeah, try that
[12:50] <Alumin> matt0507: check out mozplugger too
[12:50] <Minataku> Alumin: I don't track what's in where, lol
[12:50] <tamacracka> uid=1000(tamacracker) gid=1000(tamacracker) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(lpadmin),111(scanner),114(admin),115(fuse),1000(tamacracker)
[12:50] <Minataku> Okay
[12:50] <Minataku> It was 1000
[12:50] <BluesKaj> VSpike, http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[12:50] <Minataku> tamacracka: "sudo mount -o uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[12:51] <BluesKaj> err sorry matt0507, http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[12:51] <Minataku> That SHOULD do it and you SHOULD have access to it as yourself
[12:51] <Alumin> isn't that the same URL?
[12:51] <tamacracka> ok
[12:51] <CSonicGo> weird
[12:51] <Alumin> oh n/m
[12:51] <AdamF2> Not too sure how to approach this one, but does anyone know why it's not possible to 'pre-boot' k/x/ubuntu from floppies? It's sad I have to run Slackware on my laptop because I can't boot the cds natively.
[12:51] <CSonicGo> I'm trying to enter admin mode in control panel but it's just sitting there. :(
[12:52] <tamacracka> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[12:52] <tamacracka>        missing codepage or other error
[12:52] <tamacracka>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:52] <tamacracka>        dmesg | tail  or so
[12:52] <tamacracka> ack >< >< ><
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Alumin, yes, but the first one was addressed to the wrong person
[12:52] <Minataku> Crap
[12:52] <Minataku> tamacracka: "sudo mount -t ext3 -o uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[12:52] <Alumin> AdamF2: whether or not your machine can boot CD-ROMs is not an OS issue
[12:52] <matt0507> thanks guys, im installing mplayer package :)
[12:52] <Minataku> If that gives the same thing, then something is amiss
[12:52] <Alumin> oh wait, misunderstood the queation
[12:53] <Alumin> AdamF2: you can make a grub boot floppy
[12:53] <wimpies> does anybody know the easies way to use kmail to send large attachments that need to be split up in multiple parts ?
[12:53] <tamacracka> damn
[12:53] <Minataku> tamacracka: Something might be interfering
[12:53] <tamacracka> the stupid FUSE?
[12:53] <Minataku> "df" and check that it isn't already half-mounted or something
[12:53] <BluesKaj> use www.yousendit .com , wimpies
[12:53] <tamacracka> can't i just uninstall it?
[12:53] <Minataku> tamacracka: If you can disable it, try that
[12:53] <AdamF2> Alumin: This ancient laptop has a PCMCIA cd-rom drive, and a parallel floppy drive (that it can boot off), slackware permits floppy-boot to load pcmcia drivers and off we go. Be cool if ubuntu did something similar.
[12:54] <Minataku> It very well could be interfering
[12:54] <Alumin> isn't fuse providing the NTFS access in the first place?
[12:54] <tamacracka> oh df
[12:54] <tamacracka> it's not even listed
[12:54] <Minataku> Hopefully it didn't corrupt the volume or something... I hate these f?cking obfuscating "make things easier" crap
[12:54] <Minataku> tamacracka: Okay, so it's not mounted
[12:54] <tamacracka> oh no
[12:54] <tamacracka> that's definite.
[12:54] <tamacracka> not mounted at all
[12:54] <Minataku> That's okay
[12:55] <Alumin> since when does fuse obfuscate anything, it's a kernel module
[12:55] <Minataku> Alumin: No, but Kubuntu's "set it up for you" stuff obfuscates everything
[12:55] <Alumin> AdamF2: I'd set up grub on a floppy disk and use that, you can boot whatever you want with that
[12:55] <Minataku> tamacracka: It's not mounted, you can try to fsck it and see if it's still intact
[12:56] <AdamF2> I'll have to look into that one, thanks for the hint :)
[12:56] <tamacracka> im scared to uninstall and delete all thse ntfs programs that enabled linux to use the drive >.>
[12:56] <Alumin> it's easy
[12:56] <tamacracka> ok
[12:56] <Alumin> grub
[12:56] <Minataku> tamacracka: Try "sudo fsck /dev/hda1"
[12:56] <tamacracka> fsck hda1?
[12:56] <tamacracka> ok
[12:56] <Alumin> grub> root(fd0)
[12:56] <Alumin> grub> install
[12:56] <Minataku> If all is well it should go through a bunch of crap
[12:56] <Minataku> Then say some crap
[12:56] <tamacracka> fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[12:56] <tamacracka> fsck: fsck.ntfs-3g: not found
[12:56] <tamacracka> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs-3g for /dev/hda1
[12:56] <Alumin> I'm not sure if that's exactly it but that's pretty much the procedure
[12:57] <Minataku> tamacracka: Okay, it's safe
[12:57] <tamacracka> the grub still believes that windows XP still exists on my machine.
[12:57] <Minataku> tamacracka: Negative
[12:57] <Minataku> We need to disable ntfs-3g
[12:57] <tamacracka> no no when i restarted, it had windows xp on my OS list
[12:57] <AdamF2> Alumin : I can steal the pcmcia drivers from slackware, possibly? Heh, this is going to keep me entertained all night.
[12:57] <tamacracka> ok
[12:57] <Minataku> tamacracka: That's normal, that's in the menu.lst
[12:57] <Minataku> It's a defunct entry now
[12:58] <Alumin> AdamF2: they're both using the Linux kernel, drivers should be the same
[12:58] <tamacracka> yeah i gotta delete that after i mount my drive lol
[12:58] <surgy> how do i make numlock turn on when ubuntu starts?
[12:58] <Minataku> GRUB does no detecting, it's all configured
[12:58] <surgy> kubuntu*
[12:58] <Alumin> although you may want to make a note of which one(s) it's using
[12:58] <tamacracka> understood
[12:58] <tamacracka> by disabling
[12:58] <AdamF2> Thanks Alumin
[12:58] <tamacracka> am i to uninstall it?
[12:58] <Alumin> AdamF2: sure...good luck
[12:58] <tamacracka> or delete it off the file?
[12:58] <Minataku> tamacracka: Uninstall or disable ntfs-3g somehow or just get it to release the drive
[12:59] <tamacracka> i remember i opened a file with fedit or kate whatever and i had to type into it and save.
[12:59] <Minataku> It's configured somewhere that this drive is supposed to be NTFS but it isn't anymore
[12:59] <tamacracka> ok im gonna uninstall it.
[12:59] <m1291> is there any good site with info how to install different programs
[12:59] <Minataku> tamacracka: Could always backtrack those instructions
[12:59] <Minataku> Get ntfs-3g to release the drive
[12:59] <tamacracka> i dunno how to do that...
[12:59] <tamacracka> all i know
[01:00] <tamacracka> is install
[01:00] <Minataku> !ntfs-3g
[01:00] <tamacracka> uninstall
[01:00] <tamacracka> and operate
[01:00] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:00] <m1291> is there any good site with info how to install different programs?
[01:00] <tamacracka> k brb
[01:00] <surgy> minataku: how do i make num lock auto enable at kubuntu start?
[01:01] <VSpike> I dont get it - when i change settings in the System Settings -> Login Manager, it's like it partially make s the changes but they get overridden by the default Kubuntu login
[01:01] <Minataku> surgy: I don't know, sorry
[01:01] <Alumin> surgy: are you going straight into X when you boot?
[01:01] <surgy> minataku: np
[01:01] <Alumin> cause if you only need it on for X, just apt-get install numlockx
[01:01] <surgy> alumin: yes automaticly
[01:01] <VSpike> Like if I set wallpaper, I see it for a moment, then I see the standard kubuntu blue... then after putting in user/pass, I see it again briefly before the standard splash kicks in.
[01:01] <surgy> alumin: and it configures itself on boot?
[01:01] <Minataku> tamacracka: Remember, uninstalling ntfs-3g or whatever won't really affect anything because the drive isn't NTFS anymore
[01:02] <surgy> alumin: on install that is
[01:02] <Alumin> surgy: depends on your definition of boot :)
[01:02] <VSpike> And if I enable the userlist, I don't see it.  But turning on autocompletion seems to have an effect.
[01:02] <VSpike> Very strange!
[01:02] <Alumin> techinically no, only when X starts
[01:02] <Alumin> but for most people these days, those things are interchangeable
[01:02] <Alumin> now that all these colored pixels are all the rage
[01:02] <Minataku> Technically bootup is only the bootstrap procedure, which is initiated by the BIOS whose code is run by the CPU from it's reset state
[01:02] <tamacracka> ><
[01:03] <surgy> alumin: well it was a miss type: what i ment was is that numlockx configures itself automaticly without commands issued when aptitude installs it?
[01:03] <Minataku> After GRUB loads, bootup is over
[01:03] <tamacracka> Mina... i dunno what to do guy.
[01:03] <tamacracka> if i retrace my steps
[01:03] <BluesKaj> oh, that reminds me is there a capsunlock utility for (k)ubuntu ?
[01:03] <tamacracka> all im doin is uninstalling and deleting the file.
[01:03] <Alumin> surgy: I would assume so, I haven't used it myself
[01:03] <Minataku> tamacracka: I can't imagine why forcing the fs type didn't work
[01:03] <surgy> alumin: kewl ill check it out thanks for the info
[01:03] <Minataku> tamacracka: Look in /etc/fstab for an entry for it
[01:03] <tamacracka> i dunno man
[01:04] <tamacracka> gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:04] <tamacracka> ?
[01:04] <slyfox> This is so annoying. Anyone knows how to make back and formward mouse buttons work n Knqueror ?
[01:04] <Minataku> What? No
[01:04] <Minataku> tamacracka: Open a terminal and "cat /etc/fstab"
[01:04] <tamacracka> or gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[01:04] <tamacracka> ok
[01:04] <moparisthebest> when I try to boot kubuntu, in recovery mode, it hangs on 'Begin: Waiting for root filesystem'
[01:04] <Minataku> Well, we're just looking ATM
[01:04] <moparisthebest> the problem started when I installed ext2ifs in windows
[01:04] <Minataku> If it's done by UUID I'm gonna cry
[01:04] <Alumin> surgy: if you need it in console too, check out console-tools and/or kbd
[01:05] <moparisthebest> fstab is done by uuid
[01:05] <warbisshop> is there any kubuntu that has tie to listen to my problem ?
[01:05] <surgy> alumin: will do thanks again
[01:05] <moparisthebest> its the first thing I checked when I had a problem
[01:05] <warbisshop> kubuntu person that has time *
[01:05] <Minataku> F?ck you, *buntu, f?ck you *cries*
[01:05] <tamacracka> Mina
[01:05] <tamacracka> http://pastebin.com/866626
[01:06] <Minataku> Well, I may still figure it out
[01:06] <warbisshop> i'm using a laptop and an x700 mobility graphics card. but i cant get into my graphical shell
[01:06] <Minataku> AH HA
[01:06] <warbisshop> can anyone aid me ?
[01:06] <Minataku> tamacracka: Kill that last line
[01:07] <Minataku> Use your GUI editor and wipe out that line at the bottom
[01:07] <tamacracka> what last line?
[01:08] <tamacracka> how do i kill it?
[01:08] <tamacracka> lol
[01:08] <Minataku> /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 ntfs-3g defaults,users,auto,rw, 0
[01:08] <tamacracka> delete it?
[01:08] <Minataku> Open it an editor and backspace it all out
[01:08] <Minataku> Yes
[01:08] <tamacracka> woohoo ok
[01:08] <Minataku> Get rid of it then save
[01:08] <warbisshop> i'm using a laptop and an x700 mobility graphics card. but i cant get into my graphical shell. Is anyone free to help me ?
[01:08] <moparisthebest> when I try to boot kubuntu, in recovery mode, it hangs on 'Begin: Waiting for root filesystem', the problem started when I installed ext2ifs in windows, is there any way to fix it?
[01:09] <moparisthebest> I already edited fstab to not go by UUID
[01:09] <moparisthebest> it didnt change anything :/
[01:09] <tamacracka> ok
[01:09] <tamacracka> after deleted and saved
[01:09] <tamacracka> shall i restart x?
[01:09] <Minataku> No
[01:09] <tamacracka> ok
[01:09] <Minataku> Now type "sudo mount -o uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[01:10] <AHinMaine> anyone skilled with package commands?
[01:10] <m1291> tried to install gftp but can't find the file, how to do?
[01:10] <CSonicGo> anyone know why I can't seem to format floppies or read a floppy disk at all?
[01:10] <tamacracka> Minataku
[01:10] <tamacracka> same error as before
[01:11] <Minataku> F?CK
[01:11] <Minataku> Now type "sudo mount -o uid=1000 -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[01:11] <Minataku> If that gives the same damn error "cat /etc/fstab" and make sure it didn't put that damn line back
[01:12] <tamacracka> ><
[01:12] <tamacracka> ok
[01:12] <tamacracka> please forgive me for this guys
[01:12] <tamacracka> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[01:12] <tamacracka> #
[01:12] <tamacracka> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:12] <Minataku> No, nonononon >.<
[01:12] <tamacracka> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:12] <tamacracka> # /dev/hdb1
[01:13] <tamacracka> UUID=616a713b-9e57-4e8d-ad30-53179d5db719 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:13] <tamacracka> # /dev/hdb5
[01:13] <tamacracka> UUID=e21d46cf-a0b7-4a98-8673-e11c0f4014f3 none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:13] <tamacracka> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:13] <tamacracka> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:13] <tamacracka> tamacracker@tamacracker:~$
[01:13] <tamacracka> ><
[01:13] <tamacracka> sorry
[01:13] <tamacracka> im being lazy with pastebin
[01:13] <tamacracka> i wont do it again
[01:13] <LjL> can't you just use the stupid pastebin?
[01:13] <tamacracka> yeah i will
[01:13] <LjL> you better not
[01:13] <tamacracka> sorry
[01:13] <Minataku> Well, it's not back, so there's that
[01:13] <Minataku> Aaargh
[01:13] <Minataku> tamacracka: You don't need ntfs-3g anymore
[01:13] <Minataku> Uninstall it... with a vengeance
[01:14] <Minataku> That is, do it properly but angrily
[01:14] <tamacracka> lol
[01:14] <tamacracka> i am right now lol
[01:14] <Minataku> After that you'll probably need to reboot since this seems like one of those Windows-style pieces of crap
[01:15] <tamacracka> lol
[01:15] <moparisthebest> Minataku, you seem familiar with fstab, have any idea what my problem is?
[01:15] <tamacracka> im gonna restart X
[01:15] <Minataku> tamacracka: Natch
[01:15] <tamacracka> brb
[01:15] <Minataku> The GUI isn't tied to the OS
[01:15] <Minataku> You have to restart the whole computer
[01:15] <tamacracka> oh ok
[01:15] <tamacracka> ill do the whole machine
[01:16] <LjL> hardly ever *have* to restart...
[01:16] <moparisthebest> I cant even get into linux :(
[01:16] <Minataku> LjL: When you're using crap like ntfs-3g and other bull you do
[01:16] <m1291> tried to open a file in shell with gedit but it don't work. wich text editor is it in kubuntu?
[01:16] <Minataku> moparisthebest: What was yours?
[01:16] <moparisthebest> when I try to boot kubuntu, in recovery mode, it hangs on 'Begin: Waiting for root filesystem', the problem started when I installed ext2ifs in windows, is there any way to fix it?
[01:17] <moparisthebest> I already edited fstab to not go by UUID
[01:17] <LjL> Minataku: i see :)
[01:17] <Minataku> LjL: At least I assume, it seems like the situation warrants a restart to flush all that sh?t away
[01:18] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Last time I had that, I never managed to fix it
[01:18] <CSonicGo> Hey, is there any kind of GUI interface where I can check Hard disks and other media, fix errors and mount/unmount drives?
[01:18] <LjL> Minataku: i'll grant that it's often less of a headache to restart than to find out what the problem is ;)
[01:18] <Minataku> It was a Debian install that exploded its own initramfs
[01:18] <moparisthebest> eww, thats not good Minataku
[01:19] <Minataku> LjL: Well, in this case the problem was known, some stupid crap was forcing everything to think that this one partition was NTFS and nothing else
[01:19] <Minataku> God forbid we know better than the stupid-ass NTFS driver crap
[01:19] <LjL> Minataku: rmmod?
[01:19] <moparisthebest> is there any way to reinstall kubuntu but not overwrite my /home/ directory?
[01:19] <Minataku> LjL: Can't be trusted, especially on prebuilt kernels
[01:20] <LjL> moparisthebest: yeah, using the alternate CD and doing a bit of manual work
[01:20] <moparisthebest> hmm, ok, thats the last thing I wanted to do, but if I have to...
[01:20] <Minataku> Removing modules could be disabled, it may require a force which could also be disabled and even if it isn't it's not good to tear sh?t out of the kernel like that
[01:21] <Minataku> Which is why force-removing a module will taint the running kernel
[01:21] <tamacracka> Mina
[01:21] <Minataku> Please have good news
[01:21] <tamacracka> now the hard drive icon is  a folder icon lol
[01:21] <Minataku> Click it
[01:21] <Minataku> See what happens
[01:21] <tamacracka> nothing
[01:21] <Minataku> If there's stuff inside then we all win
[01:22] <Minataku> Well, open it up
[01:22] <tamacracka> lol
[01:22] <tamacracka> nothing
[01:22] <tamacracka> nothin's in it
[01:22] <Minataku> Aaaarrgh
[01:22] <tamacracka> it's unmounted
[01:22] <tamacracka> i even checked with gparted
[01:22] <Minataku> tamacracka: Oh
[01:22] <Minataku> Mount it then
[01:22] <tamacracka> idid
[01:22] <tamacracka> error
[01:22] <Minataku> @!$%$@!$@
[01:22] <tamacracka> the same ol error
[01:22] <Minataku> Check fstab
[01:23] <Minataku> Make sure it's not "ntfs-3g" again
[01:23] <Minataku> If it's not, fsck it, "sudo fsck /dev/hda1"
[01:24] <tamacracka> http://pastebin.com/866637
[01:24] <tamacracka> isn't..
[01:24] <Minataku> Okay
[01:24] <Minataku> fsck it
[01:24] <tamacracka> hda1 supposed to be in there?
[01:24] <Minataku> tamacracka: Only if it's done automatically
[01:24] <tamacracka> fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[01:24] <tamacracka> e2fsck 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[01:24] <tamacracka> /dev/hda1: recovering journal
[01:24] <Minataku> GOOD, let it run
[01:24] <tamacracka> ok
[01:25] <Minataku> It looks like the fs is intact, I just wanted to be positive on that, though
[01:25] <tamacracka>  /dev/hda1: clean, 1353/19546112 files, 4116575/39072080 blocks
[01:25] <Minataku> EXCELLENT
[01:25] <tamacracka> lol
[01:25] <Minataku> It's intact, the fault isn't the filesystem
[01:25] <tamacracka> ok
[01:25] <Minataku> Okay
[01:25] <CSonicGo> ok how do I mount a device
[01:25] <CSonicGo> I'm tired of hearing /fstab/ or whatever
[01:26] <CSonicGo> what do I do :(
[01:26] <Minataku> Once again... "sudo mount -t ext3 -o uid=1000 /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[01:26] <tamacracka> nah man
[01:26] <Minataku> If it fails, something is still forcing mount to think it's NTFS
[01:27] <tamacracka> failed
[01:27] <Minataku> Type "dmesg | tail" and pastebin it
[01:27] <Minataku> I want to see just how damn retarded your kernel is
[01:27] <Minataku> XD
[01:28] <tamacracka> lol
[01:28] <CSonicGo> can anyone help me please?
[01:28] <andre_> can someone point to a good howto to get my 5.1 surround working (using an nvidia onboard soundcard)
[01:28] <tamacracka> http://pastebin.com/866641
[01:30] <Minataku> Okay, I'm a dumbass and should have asked for this long ago
[01:30] <Minataku> XD
[01:30] <Minataku> Just do... "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/hda1"
[01:30] <tamacracka> lol
[01:31] <Minataku> Yeah, I feel incredibly stupid right now... ext3 has no uid= option
[01:31] <tamacracka> Mina
[01:31] <tamacracka> lol
[01:31] <Minataku> Oh, well, nobody's perfect
[01:31] <tamacracka> maybe you should uh...
[01:31] <tamacracka> take a nap?
[01:31] <tamacracka> LOL
[01:32] <tamacracka> that's all i had to do LOL
[01:32] <Minataku> lol
[01:32] <Minataku> And you as a normal user have access and everythig?
[01:32] <tamacracka> im checkin right now :P
[01:32] <Minataku> Read/Write/Execute/Crap all over it
[01:32] <Minataku> etc
[01:32] <Minataku> XD
[01:32] <tamacracka> oh crappy crap
[01:32] <tamacracka> the files are missing.
[01:32] <tamacracka> ><
[01:33] <tamacracka> uh
[01:33] <tamacracka> or not..
[01:33] <tamacracka> wtf
[01:33] <Minataku> lol?
[01:33] <tamacracka> they uh.. reappeared
[01:33] <tamacracka> <,<
[01:33] <juano__> tamacracka: what u need to do?
[01:33] <Minataku> Probably the GUI doing something
[01:33] <tamacracka> wooohoo
[01:33] <tamacracka> juano everything's good now :P
[01:33] <tamacracka> Mina
[01:33] <tamacracka> one last thing
[01:33] <Minataku> tamacracka: Got proper permissions and everything?
[01:33] <tamacracka> how do i delete windows xp off my Grub List lol
[01:33] <tamacracka> yes sir
[01:34] <Minataku> tamacracka: YAY!
[01:34] <Minataku> XD
[01:34] <Minataku> Sorry to drag you through so much when it was really just my dumbass mistake XD
[01:34] <tamacracka> lol
[01:34] <tamacracka> haha
[01:34] <juano__> tamacracka: go into /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment all the lines refering to your windows partition
[01:34] <warbisshop> does anyone have a good how to get the xserver to work
[01:34] <juano__> tamacracka: thats how u get windows of the menu in grub
[01:35] <tamacracka> so i should gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[01:35] <Minataku> tamacracka: I forgot that mount pukes all that scary crap for EVERY error
[01:35] <warbisshop> when you use an Ati mobility card
[01:35] <Minataku> tamacracka: Yeah, just pastebin that
[01:35] <tamacracka> ok :P
[01:35] <Minataku> I'll repaste the fixed file
[01:35] <rubio> alguien q hable espaol????
[01:35] <Minataku> Don't worry, I'll do this one right the first tie
[01:35] <Minataku> I promise
[01:35] <Minataku> lol
[01:35] <Minataku> !es | rubio
[01:35] <ubotu> rubio: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:35] <rickympl> hi
[01:36] <Minataku> I edit my menu.lst every time I install a new kernel
[01:36] <Minataku> I manually set up the entry for the new kernel, no automatic crap
[01:36] <LjL> ...
[01:36] <rickympl> anyone know how to have the kde menu sorted alphabetically, right now i have a menu, with no type of sort, a great mess
[01:36] <Minataku> make all && make modules_install && make install
[01:36] <tamacracka> http://pastebin.com/866642
[01:36] <Minataku> Then I go and edit menu.lst
[01:37] <elyon225> What does it mean when a program crashes when receiving "Signal 11"?
[01:38] <tamacracka> it's all the way in the bottom
[01:38] <Minataku> tamacracka: http://pastebin.com/866644
[01:38] <Minataku> Yeah
[01:38] <tamacracka> copy that
[01:38] <tamacracka> replace with what i have?
[01:39] <Minataku> You'll see what I changed, the line from "title "Other Operating Systems"" and down, put #s before them all
[01:39] <Minataku> tamacracka: Or # out that crap at the bottom yourself
[01:39] <Minataku> elyon225: Signal 11 is SIGSEGV; Segmentation Violation
[01:39] <tamacracka> aha
[01:39] <tamacracka> i see :)
[01:39] <AdamF2> Alumin : As I already have GRUB on here, can I not just make the changes to boot the 'netboot' kernel / initrd for Kubuntu and go from there ? Stab in the dark.
[01:39] <Minataku> The program tried to access memory that didn't belong to it
[01:40] <elyon225> Minataku: So that would be a bug I can't fix myself without changing code, right?
[01:40] <Minataku> It's a fault in the program due (pretty much always) to the code
[01:40] <Minataku> elyon225: Pretty much, that or b?tch at whoever wrote it
[01:40] <elyon225> hmm... wonder how anyone plays this game, then :)
[01:40] <elyon225> Well, I'd hate to b!tch at someone for providing a free game... even if it doesn't work ;)
[01:40] <Minataku> It can also be caused by system implementation details
[01:41] <Minataku> Usually the packages will work everywhere
[01:41] <Minataku> Sometimes though they'll fail for some reason or another
[01:41] <elyon225> I got this from getdeb.com
[01:41] <tamacracka> Mina... shouldn't i do the "other operating systems" title as well?
[01:41] <tamacracka> the #
[01:41] <Minataku> tamacracka: Didn't I # those lines too?
[01:41] <slyfox> Is there anyone here that knows somehting about AUTOFS ? Please.
[01:41] <Minataku> Well, if I didn't then you do it
[01:41] <Minataku> XD
[01:41] <rickympl> anyone know how to have the kde menu sorted alphabetically, right now i have a menu, with no type of sort, a great mess
[01:41] <moparisthebest> ok, Im on the kubuntu live cd now, how can I mount my harddrive to allow write access?
[01:42] <tamacracka> lol
[01:42] <tamacracka> yes you did
[01:42] <moparisthebest> I figured out how to mount it but its not writeable
[01:42] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Unmount it first
[01:42] <moparisthebest> done
[01:42] <tamacracka> brb gonna restart my machine :P
[01:42] <elyon225> rickympl: You can change the order of all the menu items by Right-Clicking on the menu, and selecting "Menu Editor"
[01:42] <Minataku> tamacracka: Not necessary
[01:42] <tamacracka> i just wanna see :)
[01:42] <Minataku> lol
[01:42] <Minataku> Okay
[01:43] <tamacracka> <- perfectionist
[01:43] <moparisthebest> now what Minataku? :)
[01:43] <Minataku> WAIT
[01:43] <tamacracka> ok
[01:43] <Minataku> tamacracka:
[01:43] <tamacracka> yeah?
[01:43] <Minataku> In fstab
[01:43] <tamacracka> lol
[01:43] <jamrs> question
[01:43] <jamrs> when does logrotate do its thing
[01:43] <jamrs> i have specified how often in the logrotate.conf file
[01:43] <Minataku> tamacracka: Add: "/dev/hda1 /media/hda1 auto auto 0 0" at the end
[01:43] <tamacracka> hda1 is still not listed on fstab
[01:43] <jamrs> but i am wondering if its like, every friday at midnight or on thursday at 3pm
[01:44] <tamacracka> oh ok <,<
[01:44] <elyon225> rickympl: Unfortunately I don't see any possible way to alphabetize the menu automatically.
[01:44] <Minataku> tamacracka: That will (should) automagically mount it on boot
[01:44] <rickympl> elyon225, so i have to manually change the order of the menu?
[01:44] <elyon225> rickympl: Nothing like the Windows handy "Sort by Name" option.
[01:44] <Minataku> Change that first auto to ext3 if you like, it's not necessary though
[01:44] <rickympl> elyon225, dats just weird, it should b available
[01:45] <elyon225> rickympl: I completely agree... and it may, but if it does, it isn't in the logical location.
[01:45] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Tell me the device name, where it's supposed to be mounted and what filesystem it is
[01:45] <elyon225> rickympl: We should write the KDE team and ask what the heck is wrong with them ;)
[01:45] <dope> how do i make an executable shell script file that'll open a terminal
[01:45] <rickympl> elyon225, know where the menu info or config file is, with all the data for the menu?
[01:45] <elyon225> rickympl: No idea... sorry.
[01:45] <tamacracka>  /dev/hda1       /media/hda1                      ext3 auto  0       0
[01:45] <tamacracka> ^ like that
[01:45] <Minataku> Exactly like that
[01:46] <moparisthebest> Minataku: ext3, /dev/sdb1 /home/ubuntu/hd
[01:46] <tamacracka> or add ext3, auto ?
[01:46] <tamacracka> add comma?
[01:46] <Minataku> tamacracka: You've got it perfect
[01:46] <tamacracka> ok
[01:46] <moparisthebest> Minataku: before I ran 'sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /home/ubuntu/hd'
[01:46] <rickympl> elyon225, thx
[01:46] <moparisthebest> but it wouldnt let me write to it
[01:46] <rickympl> dats a bummer
[01:46] <Minataku> moparisthebest: add -o rw
[01:46] <tamacracka> ok
[01:46] <tamacracka> brb
[01:47] <FunnyMan3595> Is there a KDE equivalent to gnome-open?  (Opens a file with the default program, e.g. evince for pdfs)
[01:47] <genii> See you all later :)
[01:47] <elyon225> rickympl: You may want to look in ~/.kde/share/config, though... Chances are you'll find that config file there.
[01:47] <Minataku> moparisthebest: If that fails then... something... I dunno XD
[01:48] <moparisthebest> it still wont let me write to it Minataku :/
[01:48] <moparisthebest> where do I add the -o?
[01:48] <moparisthebest> sudo mount -t ext3 -o rw /dev/sdb1 /home/ubuntu/hd
[01:48] <moparisthebest> thats what I have so far
[01:48] <Minataku> Yeah
[01:48] <Minataku> That should do it
[01:48] <Minataku> If not, what's the error?
[01:49] <moparisthebest> it wont let me write to it
[01:49] <moparisthebest> with kate
[01:49] <rickympl> elyon225, doesnt look like it
[01:49] <Minataku> It's probably a permission issue
[01:49] <elyon225> rickympl: Eh... sorry then.
[01:49] <elyon225> Was worth a shot :)
[01:51] <rickympl> elyon225, im thinking ~/.config/menus maybe
[01:51] <Minataku> I think I'm out of help for the night >.<
[01:51] <Minataku> lol
[01:53] <flake> hola
[01:54] <faked_> any time I try to play an embedded audio file on firefox, MPlayer won't play it. It says "PLaying URL *suchandsuch*", then "BUffering", then "Stopped"
[01:54] <faked_> but it never plays, anyone know what Ic an do?
[01:54] <dataman> hello
[01:55] <dataman> welcome dataman new user of ubuntu
[01:55] <Kr4t05> I can't get Amarok to play mp3... Even though I have libxine-extracodecs installed, along with a few other restricted codecs.
[01:55] <dataman> i m sorry i don t know i m a beginner
[01:55] <Kr4t05> dataman: I wasn't asking you directly. :)
[01:55] <dataman> can i read wmv with kbuntu?
[01:55] <dataman> lol ok
[01:56] <Kr4t05> !restricted | dataman
[01:56] <ubotu> dataman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:56] <dataman> thank you i will check now
[01:56] <sleepy745> welcome dataman!
[01:56] <faked_> any time I try to play an embedded audio file on firefox, MPlayer won't play it. It says "PLaying URL *suchandsuch*", then "BUffering", then "Stopped"
[01:56] <mervteck> hey guys
[01:56] <faked_> but it never plays, anyone know what I can do?
[01:56] <Rob-West> does anyone have a video card they dont need Nvidia AGP prefered
[01:57] <dataman> do you use kaffeine for media player?
[01:57] <faked_> me? No, MPlayer
[01:57] <manchicken> Mmm... kaffeine...
[01:57] <Kr4t05> dataman: For movies, yes
[01:57] <dataman> what is the best in your mind?
[01:57] <dataman> ok
[01:57] <manchicken> I prefer Kaffeine to mplayer, but many folks seem to disagree with me.
[01:57] <mervteck> anyone use nvidia drivers for kubuntu ?
[01:58] <dataman> can i run my kbuntu as a server for my other laptop?
[01:58] <yuriy> hmm the smart playlists in amarok just stopped working...
[01:58] <Kr4t05> dataman: If you want to play some strangly encoded things, you should install VLC
[01:58] <manchicken> dataman: I have a kubuntu server and a kubuntu laptop.
[01:58] <mervteck> yeahh vlc is the best
[01:58] <dataman> sure
[01:58] <dataman> VLC is the best on windows too
[01:58] <dataman> hmm
[01:58] <dataman> but i dont  know how install a package for the moment
[01:58] <dataman> but i will find
[01:58] <Kr4t05> dataman: Just go to the menu and find Adept.
[01:59] <dataman> really i m a little lost i m from windows communauty
[01:59] <dataman> adept
[01:59] <manchicken> I'm sorry to hear that.
[01:59] <Kr4t05> That will show you a list of all the packages you can install.
[01:59] <faked_> dataman I was once(and kinda still am) in your shoes, trust me it takes a while to get used to >_>
[01:59] <dataman> lol yeah it s a package manager
[01:59] <dataman> lol
[01:59] <bobleny> Can someone help me? Almost everytime I try to turn of my computer it hangs. I go to the menu, tell it to shut off, and then the screen goes black and thats it. It just sits there... What should I do?
[02:00] <sleepy745> I have that problem too sometimes
[02:01] <bobleny> Well, it is like a religion for my computer....
[02:01] <bobleny> I have no problem with my windows
[02:01] <dataman> in your mind.... i need to install since the begining for a new version of ubuntu or i can update mine now?
[02:01] <Minataku> bobleny: Well, does Linux complain about unclean filesystems when you reboot?
[02:01] <dataman> i m on kbuntu 6.06 for the moment
[02:01] <easytiger> what happened to the fstab... why are all my devices replaced with UID=2347623576205762 crap
[02:01] <bobleny> IDK.... When will it say this?
[02:01] <easytiger> thats not very user friendly
[02:01] <Minataku> bobleny: Don't worry
[02:02] <Minataku> You'd know if it was fscking every time
[02:02] <Minataku> It's not a short process
[02:02] <sparr> what version of kde is on the kubuntu edgy cd?
[02:02] <Minataku> bobleny: Your computer just isn't getting the proper shutdown command to the PSU, I think
[02:02] <bobleny> How do I check?
[02:02] <Minataku> Is there a load of clicking and ticking before it goes dark?
[02:03] <Minataku> Or shortly after?
[02:03] <manchicken> Minataku: bobleny and I hit this issue a while ago, and he's not running proprietary drivers, no kern.log info, no messages log info.  Complete mystery.
[02:03] <dataman> i don t know
[02:03] <bobleny> none that I know of
[02:03] <faked_> any time I try to play an embedded audio file on firefox, MPlayer won't play it. It says "PLaying URL *suchandsuch*", then "BUffering", then "Stopped"
[02:03] <Minataku> manchicken: Hm
[02:03] <faked_> can anyone help?
[02:03] <manchicken> sparr: I believe it's 3.5.2.  Not sure.
[02:04] <Minataku> Well, if Linux isn't complaining that his root filesystem is insanely broken then Linux _IS_ shutting down
[02:04] <Minataku> In which case then everything but the ACPI command to power off is working properly and there's no serious issue
[02:05] <bobleny> ?
[02:05] <manchicken> Could be.
[02:05] <Minataku> bobleny: fsck, or filesystem check is usually run if the filesystem isn't unmounted cleanly
[02:05] <manchicken> Could be a non-standard, proprietary BIOS thingy.
[02:05] <Minataku> Unmounting cleanly is part of shutdown
[02:06] <bobleny> yeah, I get that when I have to hold the power button to turn it off.
[02:06] <Minataku> If your computer isn't fscking the root fs every time you boot back into Linux (you'd know when it does this, it takes a couple minutes) then you're fine
[02:06] <Minataku> bobleny: Unfortunately beyond filing a bug against your BIOS, that's what you have to do
[02:07] <bobleny> Huh?
[02:07] <snowrichard> got a 403 error for libc6.  I'll try updating my package list
[02:07] <Minataku> For some reason ACPI isn't getting/honoring the command to power down
[02:07] <Kr4t05> Does anyone else have the problem where Amarok keeps asking to isntall MP3 support, even though you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[02:07] <Minataku> Linux is properly shutting down, but something is not getting the power down command to ACPI
[02:07] <Minataku> In short, there's not really anything you can do
[02:08] <snowrichard> its ok now, upgrading libc6
[02:08] <bobleny> Well, can I tell the acp thingy manually, or use a diffrent script to shut the computer down?
[02:09] <Minataku> bobleny: Negative, the power down command is the last thing done in shutdown and the kernel does it
[02:09] <snowrichard> once its halted you can use the power switch
[02:10] <bxnp> hi i am back
[02:10] <snowrichard> hi bxnp
[02:10] <bobleny> There has got to be a reason for it doing this? I find it difficulte to belive that this is happening at random.
[02:11] <bxnp> anyway could somebody tell me what non-contigious inodes are
[02:11] <bxnp> i see that somethimes when i boot
[02:11] <bobleny> Is there a way to look for a patern of some sort that is causeing the problem?
[02:11] <Minataku> bobleny: Actually, it's completely possible for it to happen at random in this case
[02:11] <bobleny> How so?
[02:11] <Minataku> It's just something weird between the kernel and ACPI
[02:12] <Minataku> bxnp: Do you use shutdown or power switch?
[02:12] <bxnp> well i use the shutdown menu in kde
[02:12] <Minataku> bxnp: Well, non-contiguious inodes indicates a fault in the filesystem
[02:12] <bobleny> kmenu -> Log Out... -> Turn Off Computer
[02:12] <bxnp> but somethimes in the beginning some program let my kubuntu crash and then i use the power button Minataku
[02:13] <Minataku> bxnp: There ya go
[02:13] <bxnp> oke Minataku how can i solve this
[02:13] <bxnp> i mean correct this
[02:13] <Minataku> bxnp: Figure out what's crashing and cure it or don't use it anymore
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <bxnp> i already have
[02:13] <bxnp> i dont use that program anymore
[02:13] <bxnp> but still have non contiguous inodes
[02:14] <Minataku> Okay, then the fact that you're seeing complaints about "non-contiguious inodes" means that fsck is running and found them
[02:14] <Minataku> It should have fixed them in the same swipe
[02:14] <bobleny> Why is it doing it more frequentlly though? It wasn't even doing this at first. Now it is almost every time I try to turn the thing off
[02:14] <Minataku> Unless Kubuntu does something stupid
[02:14] <bxnp> but i see everytime the same percentage
[02:14] <Minataku> bobleny: I have no idea, perhaps your BIOS is stupid
[02:14] <bxnp> 6.2 procent
[02:14] <Minataku> bxnp: Doh
[02:14] <bxnp> its not repairing anything
[02:14] <simbios> I bought a dvdrw today, the HD was connected to ide1, I switched it to ide2 and put the dvd unit to ide1... then when booting I got : "unable to read partition table" and many "Drive Seek error" or something like that... so I switched back the HD to ide1 and... got the same error
[02:14] <Minataku> I'm thinking of the wrong thing, sorry
[02:14] <Tonren> KDE LiveJournal client.  Go!
[02:15] <bobleny> Well, It is a compaq...
[02:15] <Minataku> bxnp: It's just informational
[02:15] <Minataku> It's a measure of something-or-other
[02:15] <Minataku> I think it's filesystem fragmentation
[02:15] <bobleny> Is turning my computer off inproperlly all the time going to hurt something?
[02:15] <bxnp> but 6.2 procent of my file system seems a lot
[02:15] <Minataku> But I could be completely wrong on that
[02:16] <bxnp> fragmentation i heard that linux did not fragmentate
[02:16] <Minataku> bobleny: It's shutting down properly
[02:16] <slyfox> Help ! You know how you have Fn keys on your laptop - for brightness control ? My brightness is very low, how do i make it brighter? Fn+Brigtness does not work !
[02:16] <Minataku> bobleny: It's just not turning itself off
[02:16] <Minataku> bobleny: So no, there's no danger in manually turning it off
[02:16] <Minataku> bxnp: All filesystems have fragmentatio
[02:16] <Minataku> n
[02:16] <bobleny> Really, then what is the kubuntu screen thingy for?
[02:17] <Minataku> It's just not as big a problem in Linux like it is in Windows
[02:17] <simbios> I shuted down the PC with the hibernate function...
[02:17] <Minataku> bobleny: It's SUPPOSED to end in turning off
[02:17] <bxnp> oke but if so there should be a program to defragment the hd
[02:17] <Minataku> But on some systems it fails
[02:17] <Minataku> !defrag
[02:17] <dataman> arg i can t read wmv video
[02:17] <ubotu> defragmentation is not needed for Ext3 and ReiserFS filesystems. They are much more efficient in their allocation of storage units.
[02:17] <mervteck> hey guys i need help
[02:17] <Minataku> Bullplop
[02:17] <bxnp> but if you look for it you cant find a program
[02:17] <bobleny> Ok.. As long as my box to go boomb!
[02:17] <bobleny> I go turn it off and see what happens... lol
[02:18] <Minataku> bobleny: Nah, if it's not fscking the root fs every time you boot into Linux it shutdown properly
[02:18] <mervteck> im running this tutorial on how to install nvidia drivers properly but when i try to save the modified disabled modules file i get this
[02:18] <mervteck> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common.
[02:18] <mervteck> Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available.
[02:18] <dataman> can t find wmvdmod.dll
[02:18] <Minataku> Which means that it just didn't turn off
[02:18] <bxnp> brb
[02:18] <Tonren> No one knows of a good LJ client for KDE?
[02:18] <Minataku> mervteck: You have to be root to do things in /etc
[02:19] <bobleny> Well. what is fscking though, is that the white text that shows up before the Kubuntu splash screen?
[02:19] <Minataku> bobleny: fsck is FileSystem ChecK
[02:19] <mervteck> well they wont launch properly through with konsole sudo command
[02:19] <mervteck> it errors out
[02:19] <bobleny> Ok, I will look for some sort of checking...
[02:19] <Minataku> If it doesn't stop at boot and make a lot of HDD activity and output stuff about the HDD then it's not doing it
[02:20] <Minataku> mervteck: Unfortunately I don't know how to do that so I can't help you with it
[02:23] <mervteck> i got it to work nvm brb gotta go console only
[02:28] <bobleny> Well, I didnt see any fck thingy...
[02:29] <crazy_bus> How do you load a subtitle file in Kaffeine?
[02:32] <moparisthebest> can't qtparted be used to format partitions?
[02:32] <Alarm> hello in the kde-look.org , section "Themes" those themes listed are only for the login screen or also after loging into kde ?
[02:32] <moparisthebest> I thought that was the purpose of it
[02:34] <moparisthebest> how do I format a new harddrive with ext3?
[02:34] <moparisthebest> qtparted appears to do it, but actually does nothing
[02:34] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Device name?
[02:34] <Alarm> actually what i am searching is to change the the kde look , not just the splash screen (with a theme, not beryl)
[02:34] <moparisthebest> /dev/sda
[02:35] <Minataku> sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sda
[02:35] <Minataku> Though are you sure you don't want to partition it first?
[02:35] <moparisthebest> I would rather have 1 big partition
[02:35] <moparisthebest> is that what that command does?
[02:36] <Minataku> You CAN make a filesystem on the raw device but it's best to make a partition table with the one large partiton
[02:36] <Minataku> *partition
[02:36] <moparisthebest> ok, how would I do that then?
[02:36] <surgy> hello
[02:36] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Use qtparted and make said single large partition
[02:36] <moparisthebest> ok, done
[02:36] <Minataku> After that, it'll probably be /dev/sda1
[02:37] <moparisthebest> and then run: sudo mke2fs -j /dev/sda1
[02:37] <moparisthebest> ?
[02:37] <Minataku> Indeed
[02:38] <moparisthebest> Minataku, Could not stat /dev/sda1 --- No such file or directory
[02:38] <moparisthebest> The device apparently does not exist; did you specify it correctly?
[02:38] <moparisthebest> in qtparted it is showing up as /dev/sda-1
[02:39] <surgy> what is the bash command for creating a file?
[02:39] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Well, write the partition table if you haven't already and close out qtparted
[02:39] <elyon225> Hey, does anyone here run Rigs of Rails in Kubuntu?  Mine is crashing, just looking for a little help.
[02:40] <surgy> elyon225: what is rigs of rails? got a link?
[02:40] <moparisthebest> it still says the same thing Minataku
[02:40] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Look in /dev, "ls /dev/sda*"
[02:40] <Minataku> Don't paste it here
[02:40] <elyon225> surgy: http://rigsofrails.blogspot.com
[02:41] <elyon225> oops
[02:41] <surgy> yea that one is broken
[02:41] <elyon225> surgy: http://rigsofrods.blogspot.com
[02:41] <elyon225> It's Rigs of Rods, not rails... I was thinking Ruby on Rails ;)
[02:41] <moparisthebest> Minataku, all that shows up is '/dev/sda'
[02:41] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Okay, it needs to be updated, is this an external drive?
[02:41] <surgy> can someone tell me how to create a file from the term?
[02:41] <moparisthebest> no Minataku
[02:42] <moparisthebest> SATA
[02:42] <moparisthebest> Minataku, qtparted allowed me to format it as well, but when you close it and reopen it its back to normal
[02:42] <mervteck> WOOT WOOT I GOT MY DRIVERS TO WORK!
[02:42] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Aaargh... uh... crap...
[02:42] <icex> hello
[02:42] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Reboot, that's all I can think of
[02:42] <moparisthebest> ok
[02:43] <moparisthebest> brb
[02:43] <mervteck> one small step for me, one giant leep from gettting away from being noob
[02:43] <Minataku> surgy: A text file or something?
[02:43] <Minataku> There's no "New File" from the shell
[02:44] <surgy> minataku: savage is missing a file called "scripts.log" i thought i could just add it and it whould work
[02:44] <Minataku> Oh
[02:45] <surgy> minataku: whould it be "touch scripts.log" ?
[02:45] <Minataku> Well, I guess you could test that by typing "cat /dev/null > scripts.log"
[02:45] <dokter-eko> ada yg dari Indonesia
[02:45] <surgy> minataku: what whould that do?
[02:45] <Minataku> Which puts nothing into a file named "scripts.log"
[02:45] <dokter-eko> joined the room
[02:45] <Minataku> Reading /dev/null returns an immediate EOF (End Of File)
[02:46] <Minataku> That commands reads /dev/null and puts the contents into the file "scripts.log"
[02:46] <Minataku> So that command effectively creates a 0 byte file named "scripts.log"
[02:46] <surgy> minataku: ok but i should be in the savage directory when doing this right?
[02:46] <Minataku> surgy: Yes, whereever it expects this file to be
[02:47] <surgy> ok ill try it thnx
[02:47] <dataman> i m sorry
[02:47] <surgy> minataku: that command should be sudo? so that savage has permision to write to it?
[02:47] <MotorCityMadMan> !kweather
[02:47] <dataman> any one can helpp me abtou video
[02:48] <ubotu> kweather: weather display applet for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1213 kB, installed size 2268 kB
[02:48] <dataman> i m trying commant sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[02:48] <dataman> and he can t find
[02:49] <andre> Hey there everyone
[02:49] <crazy_bus> My brother really wants to play msn messenger games with me.  Is there any online card games that work cross platform?
[02:50] <andre> Anyone here have any experience with vsftpd?
[02:50] <MotorCityMadMan> kweather 2.1.0 /kde 3.5.5 unknown station error. anybody know of a fix ?
[02:52] <m1291> mplayer plugin for firefox, how to do?
[02:52] <Minataku> Sorry, I can't help with any of those
[02:52] <surgy> it still wont work, same message
[02:52] <surgy> "cannot load scripts.log"
[02:53] <Minataku> I don't use MSN, never used vsftpd, never used kweather, don't use Firefox mplayer plugin
[02:53] <m1291> mplayer plugin for firefox, how to do?
[02:53] <Minataku> surgy: I can't help any further, it's obviously missing some file that should have come with it or been generated somehow
[02:53] <Minataku> surgy: Try reading the website/manual pages/etc
[02:54] <m1291> mplayer plugin for firefox, how to do?
[02:54] <Minataku> m1291: Please don't ask so often
[02:54] <surgy> minataku: the website says to download it again, i have done this three times :( but thanks for the assistance i will look more
[02:54] <Minataku> I'm the only one here and I don't know how to help you with it
[02:54] <Minataku> surgy: Sorry :(
[02:55] <surgy> minataku: np
[02:55] <tapas> m1291: read doc, try yourself. if problem -> ask :)
[02:55] <surgy> lol
[02:56] <surgy> minataku: if i kick you like i do the pop machines at the store will you work again?
[02:56] <andre> stupid vsftpd,  I wish there was a good ftp daemon with a decent gui
[02:56] <moparisthebest> it worked Minataku
[02:56] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Awesome
[02:56] <moparisthebest> now I need to know how to mount it on boot :P
[02:56] <Minataku> Heh
[02:56] <Minataku> That's easy
[02:57] <m1291> have installed mplayer but it don't work in firefox
[02:57] <Minataku> Where does it need to go?
[02:57] <Minataku> m1291: I use an extension called "MediaPlayerConnectivity"
[02:57] <moparisthebest> nvm, figured it out myself Minataku
[02:57] <moparisthebest> thanks for all the help though
[02:57] <Minataku> moparisthebest: Fair enough and no problem
[02:58] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to install UT2k4 on linux? i got the cd in
[02:58] <moparisthebest> sick Rob-West
[02:58] <moparisthebest> :P
[02:58] <mervteck> rob your disowned >.<
[02:58] <Minataku> mervteck: You need WINE or rather more likely, Cedega if WINE fails
[02:58] <Rob-West> im sorry
[02:58] <dawn> rob-west suffers from the billy-virii
[02:58] <Minataku> !wine
[02:58] <Rob-West> i tried linux
[02:58] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[02:58] <Rob-West> i like it
[02:58] <Minataku> !cedega
[02:58] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[02:58] <mervteck> u know that theres a linux version of ut2k4 right?
[02:59] <Minataku> Or just use that
[02:59] <Minataku> lol
[02:59] <mervteck> i dunno hwo to install it though lol
[02:59] <mervteck> i put the install disc in....
[02:59] <mervteck> now what XD
[02:59] <Minataku> mervteck: Sorry, I'm not a PC gamer
[02:59] <Minataku> mervteck: Mount it, find the binary, run it
[02:59] <Minataku> Kubuntu probably already mounted it for you
[03:00] <mervteck> autorun.inf? or linux-installer.sh
[03:00] <Minataku> Just find the Linux binary which will probably say "install" somewhere in it
[03:00] <Minataku> That second one
[03:00] <Minataku> linux-installer.sh
[03:00] <mervteck> k
[03:00] <Minataku> Which is a shell script
[03:00] <dawn> is there any way to increase sound ouotput on kubuntu?
[03:00] <dawn> *output
[03:00] <mervteck> i click on it and dont do nothin
[03:01] <Minataku> mervteck: Run it in a terminal
[03:01] <mervteck> how so
[03:01] <Minataku> dawn: Turn up the volume on the mixer control
[03:01] <Minataku> mervteck: cd to the directory that it's in then type ./linux-installer.sh
[03:01] <mervteck> kk
[03:02] <ljlolel> in kde, isn't there a simple wizard so that it sets up the look and feel of kde so that it's exactly like a standard kde or Windows or Mac ?
[03:03] <dawn> I am running amarok at 100% but it low. I looked under system settings and nothing is shown there. tried the equalizer in amarok, but that decreased the volume
[03:03] <Minataku> ljlolel: There is, it usually runs at first ever login
[03:03] <Minataku> Hm
[03:03] <Minataku> !nmixer
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nmixer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <mervteck> sudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied
[03:03] <Minataku> !alsamixer
[03:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsamixer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <ljlolel> Minataku: i remember that... how do I get it?
[03:03] <Minataku> ljlolel: Beats me
[03:03] <ljlolel> Minataku: what do i run to run that again?
[03:03] <Minataku> ljlolel: Try running "alsamixer" from a terminal
[03:04] <Minataku> mervteck: Aaargh... try copying it to your home directory and running it or something
[03:04] <Minataku> If that fails "chmod 770 linux-installer.sh" first
[03:04] <ljlolel> Minataku: why would alsamixer change anything but sound settings?
[03:05] <dope> is 1.1MB/s from 1 pc to another on the same network slow?
[03:05] <dope> 10/100
[03:05] <sleepy745> How do I view .rtf files?
[03:06] <Minataku> dope: That's average
[03:06] <Minataku> It's working fine, basically
[03:06] <Minataku> sleepy745: I think "ted" can
[03:06] <Minataku> !ted
[03:07] <ubotu> ted: graphical RTF (Rich Text Format) editor, stable lesstif version. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-1 (edgy), package size 654 kB, installed size 1732 kB
[03:07] <Minataku> Indeed it can
[03:07] <Minataku> There ya go, sleepy745
[03:07] <sleepy745> Thanks!
[03:08] <Minataku> sleepy745: np
[03:10] <sleepy745> what files can Linux reads easiest
[03:11] <Theory> ones which use little words
[03:11] <Jucato> O.o
[03:11] <Minataku> sleepy745: Free formats
[03:11] <Jucato> Plain text
[03:11] <Minataku> Nothing proprietary like Word Documents or bullshot like that
[03:12] <m1291> How to uninstall mplayer?
[03:12] <Jucato> m1291: how did you install it?
[03:12] <Minataku> Jucato: Good, you're here... you take over
[03:12] <Jucato> ?
[03:12] <Minataku> I've been helping for the past couple hours alone XD
[03:12] <Jucato> I'm not going to be spending too  much time in here today.... need to do a lot of stuff
[03:12] <Minataku> >:P
[03:14] <m1291> sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplay
[03:15] <matt0507> hi all, anyone know of any program to play .flv files on kubuntu?
[03:15] <m1291> jucato: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplay
[03:15] <Minataku> matt0507: mplayer will
[03:15] <matt0507> ty
[03:16] <Jucato> m1291: then "sudo apt-get remove mozilla-mplayer" to remove it
[03:16] <captian_eddie> Has anyone ever had the joy of setting up a modem.  I'd like to be able to fax.
[03:16] <sleepy745> can kate open txt files?
[03:17] <Jucato> sleepy745: of course :)
[03:17] <sleepy745> ok
[03:17] <m1291> jucato: I have tried but it won't dissapear from the menu
[03:17] <Jucato> txt files == plain text files
[03:17] <Jucato> m1291: hm... try "sudo apt-get remove mplayer"
[03:17] <Theory> opendocument files are quite nice too :-)
[03:18] <Jucato> bleh...
[03:18] <xsacha> !flash9
[03:18] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:18] <xsacha> hmm backports, that's why
[03:18] <matt0507> Minataku:  i tried using mplayer to play the flv player but it doesnt work.
[03:19] <m1291> det funkade
[03:19] <Jucato> flv = Flash Video
[03:19] <Peruna> hello
[03:19] <captian_eddie> mplayer in the respiratory has problems.  Too many good files had chirps and tweets.  It's one package I recommend compiling.
[03:19] <Minataku> matt0507: Crap, I guess Gentoo just provides the codecs better
[03:19] <Peruna> For some reason I'm having 3 Adept running, and can't kill them using Process Tree
[03:19] <Minataku> Sorry, matt0507
[03:20] <Peruna> is there any other way ?
[03:20] <Peruna> *ProcessTable
[03:20] <Jucato> Minataku: you mean mplayer in Gentoo can play Flash Videos without Flash?
[03:20] <captian_eddie> killall
[03:20] <matt0507> !flash
[03:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:20] <Minataku> Jucato: Yeah
[03:20] <Jucato> Minataku: hm... interesting
[03:20] <Minataku> I've got a couple from... uh... a youtube clone that I've played in mplayer
[03:21] <Jucato> and it downloads as .flv?
[03:21] <Minataku> Yep
[03:21] <Peruna> captian_eddie: by killall you mean reboot ?
[03:21] <Jucato> Peruna: 3 Adepts? just plain "adept"?
[03:21] <Minataku> 11213.flv: Macromedia Flash Video
[03:21] <Jucato> Peruna: what are the processs names?
[03:21] <Peruna> adept manager
[03:21] <Minataku> Pure, total Macromedia Flash Video
[03:21] <Peruna> Jucato: Adept_manager
[03:22] <Jucato> Peruna: in Konsole, type "sudo killall adept_manager"
[03:22] <Peruna> Jucato: adept-manager: no process killed
[03:22] <Jucato> Peruna: adept_manager, not adept-manager
[03:23] <Jucato> notice the underscore?
[03:23] <Minataku> Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg]  FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[03:23] <Minataku> Selected video codec: [ffflv]  vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Flash video)
[03:23] <sleepy745> ONe more question, how do I open a saved Web archive file?
[03:23] <Jucato> Minataku: yes yes. I'm Googling it now
[03:23] <Peruna> Jucato: oh yeah :D
[03:23] <Minataku> There's the technical details
[03:23] <Peruna> Jucato:  thnx alot
[03:23] <Minataku> lol
[03:23] <Jucato> sleepy745: Konqueror?
[03:23] <Jucato> sleepy745: just click (or double click) on the .war file
[03:24] <Minataku> Jucato: FLV is just some weirdo format
[03:24] <Jucato> Minataku: ah I see.
[03:24] <Jucato> http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-users/2006-March/058757.html
[03:24] <Minataku> Youtube and everyone else runs it through a player app
[03:25] <GTP> I have a boot question
[03:27] <GTP> It looks like my system is failing to start KDE and dumps me back in the login screen.
[03:27] <Minataku> GTP: That's way past boot by that point
[03:27] <GTP> If I start using the 'failsafe' boot in grub, I can startx from the prompt and start KDE fine.
[03:28] <GTP> true...
[03:28] <Minataku> As for the problem, there's something X11 doesn't like
[03:28] <Minataku> Look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it b?tched about
[03:29] <GTP> I looked at xorg.conf, and it still has 'nv' for my display driver.
[03:29] <Minataku> Is that bad?
[03:29] <GTP> It worked last week.
[03:31] <andre> hey guys
[03:32] <Minataku> GTP: Check that log file
[03:32] <GTP> What do I check?
[03:32] <Minataku> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:33] <mikey_> Would someone like to help me figure out what i need to install OpenGL 2.1 libraries?
[03:33] <ssmasud> xtknight......i am receiving the same error....do i have to uncomment my repositeries??
[03:34] <andre> Anyone here have any experience using VSFTPD?
[03:34] <soulrider> hi
[03:35] <ssmasud> any NS2 experts over here??....i have to install NS2 for which I need gcc....i can see gcc-4.0-base but it doesnt work....what to do??
[03:36] <Jucato> ssmasud: are you compiling?
[03:37] <Jucato> mikey_: try installing xorg-dev
[03:38] <mikey_> ok will try that jucato
[03:38] <Minataku> I'm out of help for the night, sorry >.<
[03:38] <Jucato> Minataku: bye otaku
[03:39] <Minataku> lol
[03:39] <mervteck> minataku!
[03:39] <Jucato> oyasumi nasai
[03:40] <mervteck> i come bearing pot!
[03:40] <Minataku> I don't do drugs
[03:40] <Minataku> lol
[03:40] <mervteck> lol neither do i i just like pot jokes XD
[03:40] <Minataku> X3
[03:40] <slyfox> Can someone please tell me how to autostart autofs ?
[03:42] <mervteck> holy shit im watching it takes a theif, and the guy thats house got broken in to is fuckin crazy he has 2 50 cal snipers 2 revolvers 2 ak47's glocks and omg TONS on guns
[03:42] <mervteck> even uzi's
[03:42] <Minataku> Sweet
[03:42] <Minataku> I wish I had a collection like that
[03:43] <Jucato> !language
[03:43] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:43] <sparr> where does the writable portion of the kubuntu livecd unionfs live?
[03:43] <mervteck> me too lol i jsut have my uber 22 bolt with a scope
[03:43] <Jucato> sparr: what do you mean?
[03:43] <sparr> Jucato: what i say, usually.  you?
[03:44] <mervteck> hey minataku can i talk to u in pm?
[03:44] <Jucato> sparr: I meant your question
[03:44] <sparr> Jucato: when i download a file, where does the file go?
[03:44] <Minataku> mervteck: Sure, if you wish
[03:44] <sparr> Jucato: obviously not onto the CDROM
[03:45] <Jucato> sparr: physically, it goes to the RAM. but where in the filesystem? depends on where/how you downloaded it
[03:45] <sparr> in RAM?
[03:45] <sparr> how can i check how much the fs is using in RAM?
[03:45] <mervteck> io ur not registered are u
[03:45] <driz> whats the easiest way to make a file Server?
[03:45] <Jucato> sparr: yes. Live CD's use the RAM as storage while running
[03:45] <Minataku> mervteck: Oh, I don't think I use that mode
[03:45] <Minataku> Or is it default
[03:46] <Minataku> I'll shut it off
[03:46] <mervteck> oii
[03:46] <galfrid> hello everyone
[03:46] <mervteck> hey
[03:46] <Jucato> sparr: not really sure how you can check. the Live CD doesn't write anything to the hard drives unless you explicitly do so
[03:46] <galfrid> anyone want to help me with a few problems?
[03:47] <galfrid> :D
[03:47] <Minataku> Uh... damn, what's that stupid mode flag
[03:47] <mikey_> Thank you Jucato for the help the opengl implemtation files are in
[03:47] <Jucato> Minataku: what mode flag?
[03:47] <Minataku> Jucato: The one that makes it so unregistered people can't talk to you in PM
[03:47] <Jucato> mikey_: np
[03:48] <mikey_> I did not want to use the schools computers, to which you have to use Visual Basic .
[03:48] <Jucato> hm...
[03:48] <mads> hi
[03:48] <mads> how do you mount an iso file?
[03:48] <mikey_> *To make images and what not
[03:48] <Minataku> mervteck: What was it you wanted to talk to me about, BTW?
[03:49] <Minataku> In the meantime while I try to figure out Freenode's stupid usermodes
[03:49] <mads> mount -isosomething <location> <mountpoint>
[03:49] <Jucato> !iso | mads
[03:49] <ubotu> mads: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[03:49] <Jucato> Minataku: hold on a sec
[03:49] <Jucato> Minataku: you want unregistered users to be able to PM you?
[03:49] <mads> thanks
[03:50] <Minataku> Jucato: Indeed
[03:50] <matt0507> i still cant figure out how to make mplayer play my flv file >,< i have flash installed and all that
[03:50] <mervteck> minitaku this damn thing wont install >.<
[03:50] <mervteck> sudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied
[03:50] <Minataku> mervteck: Okay, stupidity disabled, PM away
[03:50] <galfrid> lol
[03:50] <Minataku> mervteck: As for that, no clue, sorry
[03:51] <Minataku> Try their website maybe?
[03:51] <Minataku> Or look for a readme
[03:51] <Minataku> lol
[03:51] <Jucato> matt0507: I think the mplayer that is packaged in edgy wasn't compiled to enable playing .flv
[03:51] <Jucato> mervteck: what are you trying to install and where?
[03:51] <Minataku> Codecs are external I believe
[03:51] <ForgeAus> wow VLC rox
[03:51] <galfrid> hey, does it matter where you install things?
[03:51] <ForgeAus> does flashvideo too not just wmv!
[03:51] <Jucato> Minataku: not mplayer
[03:52] <ForgeAus> pity its not in the "free" repositories tho
[03:52] <Jucato> Minataku: I mean, mplayer doesn't use much external codecs
[03:52] <Minataku> Ah
[03:52] <Jucato> ForgeAus: vlc? it's in universe
[03:52] <ForgeAus> is it? oh ok
[03:52] <Jucato> Minataku: didn't you read the link about mplayer I gave above?
[03:52] <Jucato> !info vlc | ForgeAus
[03:52] <matt0507> Jucato: do you know any package/install files that will play on kubuntu?
[03:52] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[03:53] <Minataku> Jucato: Actually, I didn't, sorry >.<
[03:53] <Jucato> hmph...
[03:53] <galfrid> hey, how do I get VLC? I've used it for windows, but I didn't know I could get it for Kubuntu
[03:53] <elyon225> Is there any way to run Mac software in Linux?
[03:53] <Jucato> Minataku: "mplayer -demuxer lavf works here. You need to have latest CVS with libavformat compiled in though.
[03:53] <Minataku> Sheepshaver, minivmac, BasiliskII
[03:53] <Minataku> Jucato: Ah
[03:53] <Jucato> galfrid: install it through the package manager (apt-get, Adept, etc)
[03:54] <ryy> HI, can some tell me how to log in as the root?
[03:54] <Jucato> !sudo | ryy
[03:54] <ubotu> ryy: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:54] <ForgeAus> hehe vmware
[03:54] <Minataku> ryy: Are you trying to use it irresponsibly like you would Administrator in Windows?
[03:54] <ForgeAus> which particular macOS?
[03:54] <dope> my mute button on the keyboard won't work
[03:54] <anika> How do I password protect a folder?
[03:55] <ryy> No, certain software such as tomcat server expects to be installed by sup user
[03:55] <elyon225> anika: Simply change the permissions so that only you can view it.
[03:55] <ryy> Atleast, thats how do the book explains it.
[03:55] <anika> elyon225: I want to protect it from myself as well
[03:55] <galfrid> how do you change permissions
[03:56] <elyon225> ForgeAus: Well, specifically, I'm wanting to play a VERy old game I played a long time ago.
[03:56] <elyon225> anika: You can't trust yourself not to open it?
[03:56] <elyon225> galfrid: Easiest way is to right-click the file or folder and select "Properties"
[03:56] <Jucato> ryy: you can use the sudo command instead of logging in as root
[03:56] <ryy> thanks.
[03:57] <galfrid> ok, so if I wanted to change the permissions on smb.conf, how do I do that?
[03:57] <galfrid> because it tells me I have to be logged on as root
[03:57] <elyon225> galfrid: Navigate to the folder that contains that file, right-click on it, and choose "Properties"
[03:57] <Jucato> WARNING: don't go about changing permissions on file owned by root
[03:58] <elyon225> galfrid: Ah... then you don't own that file.  May I ask what that file is and why you would want to change it?
[03:58] <elyon225> galfrid: Jucato is very right... be VERY careful when changing files that belong to Root.
[03:58] <matt0507> ok i've just installed VLC player and it played my .flv but only sound came out, no pictures >,<
[03:58] <galfrid> it's the samba config file... I'd like to set up a network between 2 Kubuntu computers, and apparently the gksudo gedit command is not available
[03:59] <Jucato> galfrid: kdesu kate
[03:59] <AdamF2> My thanks to Alumin for the hints, I got Kubuntu to install by hijacking slackware's lilo and booting the netboot image / initrd from the existing partition :P
[03:59] <elyon225> galfrid: You have KDE, right?  Kde doesn't have gedit ;)  Its kdesu kate
[03:59] <Jucato> galfrid: gksudo and gedit are both GNOME commands/programs
[03:59] <galfrid> ahhhh
[03:59] <galfrid> ok
[03:59] <elyon225> oh... Jucatobeat me to it ;)
[03:59] <fyrmedic> How do I get a USB rive to mount automatically?
[03:59] <galfrid> hold on, I'll try it and let you know
[03:59] <anika> elyon225: I can't trust other people to not open it and reveal the contents in there before the right time
[03:59] <Jucato> galfrid: you read those instructions on an Ubuntu wiki page?
[04:00] <dope> i've found that sftp is faster than fish when transfering files
[04:00] <galfrid> I did, but they all told me to use the gedit cmd
[04:00] <elyon225> anika: And these other people have access to your actual account?
[04:00] <Jucato> galfrid: could you show me that page?
[04:00] <galfrid> sadly, I'm still based in windows
[04:00] <galfrid> hold on
[04:00] <anika> elyon225: Yes
[04:00] <elyon225> Jucato: The KDE documentation is basically non-existant and the Ubuntu pages don't specify a different set of instructions... pretty sad
[04:01] <elyon225> anika:  You could always create a new user that they don't know about and change the folder's owner to that new user.
[04:01] <Jucato> elyon225: actually, KDE docs are existant. Kubuntu docs are not so much. the wiki pages are meant to be for all *buntus. that's why I'm asking galfrid
[04:01] <galfrid> euch... I'm only on 128k... this could take a minute
[04:01] <galfrid> ahhh
[04:01] <galfrid> I see
[04:01] <elyon225> Jucato: Yeah, I meant Kubuntu...
[04:01] <Jucato> galfrid: just give me the keywords for that page, I'll search for it
[04:02] <galfrid> oh, ok... I could give you the URL
[04:02] <Jucato> ok. just give me the URL
[04:02] <galfrid> lol
[04:02] <galfrid> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Samba_Server
[04:02] <Jucato> no need to wait for the page to load :)
[04:02] <Jucato> bah
[04:02] <elyon225> ...so could someone tell me what packages I need to download to get embedded videos within Firefox working properly?  I don't want them played externally.
[04:02] <Jucato> something I can't edit after all...
[04:03] <elyon225> galfrid: I was told a while ago that ubuntuguide.org is often very wrong and is not in any way affiliated with the TRUE Ubuntu community :)
[04:03] <galfrid> ooooh, ok
[04:03] <Jucato> that, and it obviously doesn't have Kubuntu instructions :P
[04:04] <Jucato> galfrid: we have our own wiki, just in case you didn't know. http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[04:04] <galfrid> cool- I'm still very new to Kubuntu (using dapper)
[04:04] <Jucato> that's for both Ubuntu and Kubuntu. if you encounter Ubuntu specific instructions only, where there should also be some for Kubuntu, tell me
[04:04] <elyon225> Jucato: Do you know... is the Kubuntu wiki going to be extended much?  There are a LOT of empty pages and the basic depth isn't that great...
[04:05] <Jucato> elyon225: they're reorganizing the whole thing. wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki.kubuntu.org will basically be left for development/specs/etc. help.ubuntu.com/community will be the home of user/community submitted guides/howto's
[04:05] <galfrid> oook... so I used the kdesu kate cmd, and it opened a kate with an empty document
[04:06] <Jucato> galfrid: what was the exact command you entered?
[04:06] <galfrid> kdesu kate /etc/samba/smb.conf
[04:06] <elyon225> galfrid: Then that file doesn't actually exist yet.
[04:06] <Jucato> either it doesn't exist yet, or...
[04:06] <elyon225> ...it's empty? ;)
[04:06] <galfrid> well, it does... I can see it in Konquerer, and it can tell me that I need to be root to access it
[04:07] <Jucato> galfrid: if it opened an empty Kate, just try to open it directly from Kate
[04:07] <fyrmedic> How do I mount a usb drive? automatically?
[04:07] <galfrid> and I know it has info in it, because I can read it
[04:07] <Jucato> !fuse | Bxnp
[04:07] <ubotu> Bxnp: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[04:07] <galfrid> I just can't save any changes without root permission
[04:08] <Jucato> galfrid: when kate is run with kdesu, you are running Kate as root
[04:08] <matt0507> is anyone out there able to play .flv player on kubuntu? i need help!
[04:08] <galfrid> oook
[04:08] <elyon225> ...so could someone tell me what packages I need to download to get embedded videos within Firefox working properly?  I don't want them played externally.
[04:08] <galfrid> this whole thing is a little confusing, but a good challenge
[04:13] <galfrid> ok, I'm horribly confused now... I looked in the /etc/samba folder, and it has smb.conf-original, and smb.conf-save, neither of which I remember creating, and now it won't let me save either as smb.conf
[04:13] <faked_> I can't get embedded audio working in firefox
[04:13] <Jucato> elyon225: have you tried mozilla-mplayer or something?
[04:13] <galfrid> because apparently it no longer exists now
[04:13] <faked_> Yeah mplayer's what I use
[04:14] <faked_> but for some reason it just doesn't work.
[04:14] <elyon225> Jucato: I've tried VLC and Kaffeine.  I thought mplayer was a Gnome app.
[04:14] <Jucato> elyon225: it's not really. and I think it's the only plugin that will work with firefox
[04:14] <ForgeAus> how do I find a repository that has amiwm?
[04:14] <faked_> are there any other players that'll plugin to firefox?
[04:14] <fyrmedic> How do I mount a usb drive
[04:14] <elyon225> Jucato: Alright... I'll try that.
[04:15] <galfrid> fyrmedic: doesn't it mount when you plug it in?
[04:15] <soulrider> yay, im so happy, i think i can turn my dad isnto a linux user :)
[04:15] <ForgeAus> awesome!
[04:16] <galfrid> jucato: you seem to know a lot about kde... could I pm you for a minute?
[04:16] <ForgeAus> and Jucato how do I get it Xnest (or xserver-xephyr) running? it always complains about the display being already in use
[04:16] <dope> how do i start or stop a samba server?
[04:16] <galfrid> Aha! one I know
[04:16] <fyrmedic> galfrid; No I think I disabled the automount a while back so it wouldn't screw up my kids iPod. Now I need it back.  ughhh
[04:16] <galfrid> lol, I think I know this one
[04:17] <galfrid> you're using kubuntu, right?
[04:17] <fyrmedic> yeah
[04:17] <Jucato> galfrid: better ask it in here if it's a support question
[04:17] <galfrid> ok
[04:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus: "Xephy :1 &" (to connect Xephyr to a display) then "export DISPLAY=:1" (to set the DISPLAY to the one Xephyr will use)
[04:19] <galfrid> fyrmedic: open your KDE menu and select system settings
[04:20] <fyrmedic> galfrid; and there should be an app for managing drives but it isn't there.
[04:21] <galfrid> fyrmedic:not that I know of... actually, if you right click on the desktop, and select "Configure Desktop" you should be able to work in there
[04:21] <Jucato> fyrmedic: can you remember where you disabled automount? or are you referring to the popup window that appears when you plugin a USB drive?
[04:21] <Jucato> !away > kowakowalski
[04:22] <anika> elyon225: It ocurs to measudo on the file manager side steps that new user limit
[04:22] <fyrmedic> Jucato: No I don't remember unfortunately. And I don't get the pop-up window anymore.
[04:23] <ForgeAus> does adept keep a log?
[04:24] <Jucato> ForgeAus: no. but dpkg does
[04:24] <galfrid> thanks for the help guys... I have to get some sleep!
[04:25] <dope> i don't know how to restart my samba server
[04:25] <dope> i'm trying to configure samba shares via the command line
[04:25] <ForgeAus> ok well that half-worked
[04:25] <ForgeAus> Jucato where can I find it?
[04:25] <Jucato> ForgeAus: /var/log
[04:25] <ForgeAus> the log that is
[04:26] <ForgeAus> (and how do I get Xnest to bring up a loginscreen (generally kdm here)
[04:26] <Jucato> hm... you can
[04:26] <Jucato> you can't
[04:26] <Jucato> you can only have one DM running
[04:26] <ForgeAus> um thats weird
[04:27] <ForgeAus> so how do I USE it
[04:27] <ForgeAus> Zenwalk asked me to log in inside xnest
[04:27] <ForgeAus> (thats xdm right?)
[04:27] <Jucato> no
[04:27] <Jucato> xnest and xephyr allow you to run an X session inside another X session.
[04:27] <Jucato> it doesn't, however, let you run another display manger
[04:28] <Jucato> manager*
[04:28] <ForgeAus> what point is a blank "grey" (dithered) xwindows? that I can do nothing in?
[04:28] <ForgeAus> I've HAD an X-desktop inside an Xnest window
[04:28] <ForgeAus> um I gues sI could say I got that now but its not a useable desktop
[04:29] <ForgeAus> just grey with a black X for the cursor.... what can I do with that?
[04:29] <Jucato> you got X inside Xnest/Xephyr up
[04:29] <Jucato> but you need to run the desktop too
[04:29] <ForgeAus> yes I got X ...
[04:29] <ForgeAus> yeah how do I run the desktop in it?
[04:31] <elyon225> Is there no way to modify the properties of one panel without affecting all of them??
[04:32] <slyfox> Please help I am a noob, Just started my Kubuntu and when it was booting I saw this message: Activating SWAP ... Checking Root File System.... something...something..../sda2/ has been mounted 30 times without being checked ...                      What does all this mean?
[04:32] <Jucato> elyon225: depends on which properties
[04:33] <yuriy> slyfox: every 30 times you turn on your computer, the disk gets checked for errors
[04:33] <elyon225> Jucato: I can't modify ANY properties.  Right click on my top panel and choose "Configure Panel" ... everything I change there changes my bottom panel too.
[04:33] <slyfox> yuriy: so this is normal ?
[04:33] <Jucato> elyon225: you just added the new panel?
[04:33] <Jucato> slyfox: yes
[04:33] <yuriy> slyfox: yes
[04:33] <elyon225> Jucato: Yes.
[04:33] <Jucato> unless you turn it off
[04:34] <Jucato> elyon225: need to restart the panel. Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[04:34] <yuriy> elyon225: i thought there used to be a selector in the settings.. where'd that go
[04:34] <slyfox> Good, I was starting to think I messed up something :-)
[04:34] <elyon225> yuriy: I seem to remember seeing one too.. but it's not there now.
[04:34] <soulrider> does anyone here use QCad ?
[04:34] <Jucato> yuriy, elyon225: kde bug since 3.5.5
[04:34] <soulrider> !info qcad
[04:34] <ubotu> qcad: A professional CAD System. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.5.0-1-1 (edgy), package size 2889 kB, installed size 12364 kB
[04:35] <elyon225> Jucato: What I'm trying to do is get my desktop setup like some screenshots I've seen.  The launch icons on the bottom (that enlarge when you mouse over them) and the other panels on top.  Is that a seperate package I need to install?
[04:35] <yuriy> Jucato: link? fixed in 3.5.6?
[04:35] <slyfox> for 2 gigs of RAM, how big should the swap be ?
[04:35] <Jucato> yuriy: unfortunately, no... and I feel partly guilty...
[04:35] <Jucato> elyon225: yes. that's a separate program
[04:35] <soulrider> elyon225: what you want is a dock i think
[04:35] <soulrider> as Jucatoits a separate program
[04:36] <Jucato> elyon225: but to be able to change the settings for each panel you add, you had to do that command I gave. until you do that, you won't see the list of panels at the top of the configuration dialog box
[04:38] <slyfox> For 2 gigs of RAM, how big should the swap be ?
[04:38] <Jucato> less than 1GB :)
[04:38] <Jucato> or 1GB if you're too cautious
[04:38] <Minataku> WRONG
[04:39] <Jucato> shouldn't you be sleeping?
[04:39] <Minataku> The swap should be twice the physical RAM
[04:39] <Jucato> duh?
[04:39] <Jucato> old school
[04:39] <Minataku> For 2GB RAM, swap is 4GB
[04:39] <Jucato> that was when RAM didn't go beyond 512MB
[04:39] <Minataku> 2GB at the minimum
[04:39] <shinigami> hi..i'm installing kubuntu for my users..i noticed there are no root user..how do i manage their computers this way?
[04:39] <slyfox> Yeah Jucato, that is what also heard. So 1 gig should be good ?
[04:40] <slyfox> Minataku: why so ?
[04:40] <soulrider> shinigami: usse sudo
[04:40] <soulrider>  !sudo
[04:40] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:40] <elyon225> soulrider: Do you know where I can find that?
[04:40] <shinigami> even sudo need their user's password
[04:40] <slyfox> Minataku: for 2 gigs of ram 2 gigs of swap ?
[04:40] <shinigami> what if the user forget his password?
[04:40] <soulrider> elyon225: a dock? try on http://kde-apps.org
[04:40] <Jucato> shinigami: use sudo.
[04:40] <soulrider> shinigami: i think you can use sudo to change the root users password
[04:40] <Minataku> shinigami: Perhaps you'd prefer a different distribution
[04:40] <soulrider> but i dont think its something nice to do :P
[04:41] <Minataku> Build an image and distribute that
[04:41] <Jucato> shinigami: sudo will ask for the user's password if and only if that user is part of the sudo'ers group (admin group)
[04:41] <shinigami> yes that's the problem
[04:41] <kubuntu_noob> can anyone help me get my sound sorted out?
[04:41] <soulrider> kubuntu_noob: it didnt work out of the box ?
[04:41] <Jucato> if the user forgets his one password, what are the chances he would remember 2 passwords?
[04:42] <Jucato> take note, his one, most important password
[04:42] <soulrider> true...
[04:42] <kubuntu_noob> it's doing some really wierd things...playing a file in kaf. randomly the sound stops...
[04:42] <Minataku> shinigami: Just don't put them in the admin/wheel group
[04:42] <endo602> anyone know how to set up a webcam?>
[04:42] <kubuntu_noob> amaroK is doing the same thing
[04:42] <soulrider> shinigami: you cna allways make another use rjust for you and use that user to admin
[04:42] <endo602> i followed the howto on the forums
[04:42] <Minataku> Jucato: Are you sure it's not wheel? sudo is typically controlled via the wheel group
[04:42] <endo602> but it isnt seem to be working
[04:42] <Jucato> !webcam
[04:42] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:42] <endo602> how can i tests it out
[04:43] <Minataku> Jucato: Also, I never said I was going to sleep
[04:43] <Minataku> lol
[04:43] <elyon225> yeah, I still get staticy sound effects (the music is fine in games if I turn the volume all the way up, but the sound effects are still staticy)
[04:43] <soulrider> kubuntu_noob: never heard of that, have you tried searching the forums ?
[04:43] <endo602> Jucato, i followed that before
[04:43] <shinigami> right..that means every computers will have a username (admin) and another for the user?
[04:43] <endo602> not getting pitcue now
[04:43] <Jucato> Minataku: no it's not the wheel. I can do sudo perfectly without being a part of the wheel group
[04:43] <kubuntu_noob> can't find a reference
[04:43] <Jucato> shinigami: it's basically the same thing you are doing...
[04:43] <Minataku> Jucato: Must be an *buntu stupidity
[04:43] <Jucato> 1 user + 1 root user = 2 users
[04:44] <Jucato> Minataku: how come?
[04:44] <soulrider> kubuntu_noob: i cant help you. If i had a problem like that i would tey ubuntuforums.org and ultimately google
[04:44] <Minataku> Taking well-known ways and changing them for no reason
[04:44] <Jucato> ??
[04:44] <kubuntu_noob> my audio device is still set at "automatic" is there a better setting? alsa, oss, etc.?
[04:44] <Jucato> it's a well known way that there's a wheel group?
[04:44] <Minataku> Jucato: sudo is typically controlled via membership in the "wheel" group
[04:44] <Jucato> really?
[04:44] <soulrider> kubuntu_noob: try changing it, but mine is in automatic and works allright
[04:44] <Minataku> It's an old-time Unix thing, from way back in the day
[04:45] <Jucato> so it's a UNIX thing?
[04:45] <soulrider> i wonder how an OS like windows got to be so popular....
[04:45] <Minataku> Jucato: Tradition
[04:45] <kubuntu_noob> i'll try it...i had hoped that someone would have run into this before but here's to breaking ground!
[04:45] <kubuntu_noob> cheers!
[04:45] <soulrider> good luck!
[04:46] <Minataku> I suppose *buntu changed it because they didn't want to be like Unix... psh
[04:46] <Minataku> But that's an implementation detail
[04:46] <Jucato> and Tradition always must be right?
[04:46] <shinigami> if i 'su root' what's my root password?
[04:46] <shinigami> same as the user?
[04:46] <Minataku> uid=752(ed) gid=100(users) groups=10(wheel),11(floppy),18(audio),27(video),33(xfs),35(games),100(users)
[04:46] <Jucato> shinigami: no
[04:46] <soulrider> shinigami: you can do "sudo -i"
[04:46] <Jucato> shinigami: there is no root password.
[04:46] <Minataku> There's mine, note the first member group
[04:46] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <Jucato> shinigami: read the page linked to above
[04:47] <Minataku> Jucato: If it works, why change it?
[04:47] <Minataku> Honor the past, don't scoff at it
[04:47] <slyfox>  I have a problem with Amarok and online media, whenever I want to play a file for example from here http://www.psyshop.com/shop/Vinyls/apr/apr1ep155.html  Amarok opens up, when I want to lsiten to the next one, ANOTHER Amarok opens up, how do I play these in One Aamarok ?
[04:47] <Minataku> Apple did that... R.I.P Happy Mac
[04:47] <Minataku> Dead as of 2002
[04:47] <Jucato> how do you know it always works if you don't even try changing it from time to time because of "Tradition"
[04:48] <shinigami> the sudo bash, sudo -i, su root password is same as the user's password!
[04:48] <Minataku> Jucato: Considering it's just an implementation detail, there's no need to even bother
[04:48] <Jucato> shinigami: did you even take a look at the page?
[04:48] <Flying_Eagle> slyfox, i cant replicate this behavior
[04:48] <Minataku> The only reason you WOULD change it is because you want to piss all over your history
[04:48] <Minataku> I assume it's because "wheel" was to esoteric
[04:48] <slyfox> Flying_Eagle: For you next file opens in the same Amarok ?
[04:48] <Jucato> Minataku: then you have a very weird concept of "change"
[04:48] <Minataku> So they changed it to "admin" instead
[04:48] <Flying_Eagle> slyfox, it does
[04:49] <shinigami> what page?
[04:49] <Flying_Eagle> i tried to open the mp3s, slyfox
[04:49] <Jucato> !sudo | shinigami
[04:49] <ubotu> shinigami: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:49] <Flying_Eagle> not the rams
[04:49] <Flying_Eagle> nice music btw
[04:49] <Minataku> Jucato: Sorry, it just bothered me for some weird reason
[04:50] <slyfox> Flying_Eagle: Found my problem! Firefox was associated with Amarokapp and not Amarok
[04:51] <slyfox> Is there something exists to manage Video library? Something like Amarok for divx files ?
[04:51] <Flying_Eagle> there is a script for amarok that runs video-files
[04:51] <Flying_Eagle> so maybe you could use amarok aswell
[04:52] <slyfox> Flying_Eagle: not sure if I want to mix my huge music collection with my video collection in one player..
[04:52] <Flying_Eagle> its no outofthebox-solution but you might bypass this through giving different config-files with different databases as commandline-options, slyfox
[04:53] <slyfox> Flying_Eagle: One more very annoying proble I have with firefox KDE konqueror, You know how when you download a file with firefox, you get an option to open or open containing folder? These do not work. Any way to fix this?
[04:53] <Flying_Eagle> sorry, im using konqueror
[04:53] <Flying_Eagle> only
[04:53] <slyfox> Anyone else ?
[04:54] <endo602> how can i test to see if my webcam works?
[04:54] <slyfox> endo602: have you tried whatever program yo intend to use it for, inside it maybe there is a test option
[04:55] <Flying_Eagle> id just capture something
[04:55] <endo602> kopete
[04:55] <slyfox> Is there anyone here who uses Firefox and KDE ?
[04:56] <endo602> kopete has someting... the light on the webcam goes on but no picture
[04:58] <ForgeAus> how do I find an open port I can use for torrents?
[04:59] <ForgeAus> or for anything for that matter!
[05:00] <endo602> /etc/services
[05:00] <ForgeAus> slyfox lots of people do that
[05:01] <slyfox> ForgeAus: is there a solution to make firefox open files in konqueror ?
[05:01] <GTP> I'm having an X11 problem.  When I try to login, I get booted back to the login screen.  It has something to do with 'Xauthority'.  Anyone know what that is?
[05:01] <slyfox> ForgeAus: open containing directory or just open file
[05:01] <endo602> anyone setup a webcam and get no picture but the webcam is being read the driver is right?
[05:07] <slyfox> endo602: maybe try #ubuntu or ubuntuforums.com or linxuquestions.org
[05:08] <dwidmann> *ubuntuforums.org
[05:14] <Trickser> hey, can i use the variable "LD_ASSUME_KERNEL" in kubuntu edgy?
[05:14] <Trickser> for example LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1
[05:15] <Dr_willis> try it and see.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> i cant recall ever seeing that used ever... :)
[05:16] <mervteck> anyone knwo the stuff to put in to launch wine? from the run command
[05:16] <Dr_willis> wine path/to/whatever.exe
[05:17] <slyfox> Dr_willis:  You know how when you download a file with firefox, you get an option to open or open containing folder? These do not work. Any way to fix this?
[05:17] <mervteck> kk
[05:17] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  never noticed. i just download things to the desktop.
[05:18] <jughead> does kubuntu support booting from an nforce 4 ultra sata controller?
[05:18] <mmc> i'm hoping to get some help upgrading from 6.06 to 6.10
[05:19] <Dr_willis> jughead,  id say check the forums/wikis see if anyone has issues with that device. would be the best bet.
[05:19] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[05:19] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:19] <slyfox> Is M Player = Movie Player ?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> mplayer is a media player. that canplay movies.. yes..
[05:19] <GTP> Any help with the Xauthority question (I can't start KDE unless in root or SUDO)
[05:20] <slyfox> Dr_willis: I mean in Kubuntu I have a player called "Media Player" is that the same as "M Player" ?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  check the menus/about/help perhaps..
[05:20] <slyfox> Dr_willis: Totem Movie Player ?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> thats totem then. :)
[05:20] <mervteck> hey willis
[05:20] <mervteck> wanna help me out with somting =)
[05:21] <mmc> i've followed the instructions "gksu /cdrom/cdromupgrade" doesnt work...
[05:21] <Dr_willis> mervteck,  depends. :)
[05:21] <amr> hi all
[05:21] <amr> i'm new t o ubuntu
[05:21] <Dr_willis> mmc,  i never upgrade. i find it safer to do a clean install after backing up your imporntatn stuff
[05:21] <amr> migrating from xp
[05:21] <amr> i need list of programs of linux to use with ubuntu
[05:22] <amr> names only
[05:22] <mervteck> ^^ im on the lasst install directions of how to install 64 bit wine and i put in " LDFLAGS="-L/lib32 -L/usr/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/lib32 -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib32" ./configure" and i get no such file or directory, but i know the file is there... any ideas?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> amr,  huh?
[05:22] <amr> yes dr_willis
[05:22] <Dr_willis> mervteck,  not really. ive given up on 64bit stuff for the time being.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> amr,  you mean like  notepad = kedit ?
[05:23] <amr> first i need a powerfull high speed download manager
[05:23] <amr> kedit >>> ok i 'm listening
[05:23] <mmc> can you do a clean install from the alternate cd?
[05:23] <mmc> is it bootable?
[05:23] <mervteck> =( well aside from the 64 bit part any ideas on hwo to fix this?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> amr,  actually you really dont need a download manager. :)
[05:24] <dwidmann> amr: kget is a decent download manager, no acceleration though
[05:24] <yuriy> amr: not sure what for, but try kget
[05:24] <Dr_willis> google for  'going from windows to linux' or 'linux program windows equilivents' i guess.
[05:25] <mervteck> http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit#head-56206e8bc74083807ffe06ccb471d3f964cb670a this is what im using to install, on the dapper drake part
[05:25] <amr> but i need some tool to download and resume
[05:25] <Dr_willis> every 'program' in windows - proberly has a dozen+ alternatives in linux. :)  depends on what programs  ya like to use.
[05:25] <slyfox> amr: Just get Download Them All for firefox for downloads !
[05:25] <Forge> isn't there an online webpage that can do a port scan?
[05:25] <dwidmann> mervteck: you'll save yourself much time and trouble by downloading the wine i386.deb and installing with dpkg --install --force-architecture
[05:25] <Dr_willis> ive rarely needed to resume.  you on dialup?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Forge,  google for 'shields up' - and theres a few other sites out also.
[05:26] <amr> no but i download larg files
[05:26] <Dr_willis> shields up - is a bit brain dead in ways.
[05:26] <amr> larg
[05:26] <mervteck> oo will that work?!
[05:26] <amr> i've already installed wine
[05:26] <dwidmann> mervteck: yes
[05:27] <mervteck> so dl the file, then target the exact file then run that ocmmand line?
[05:27] <dwidmann> pretty much
[05:27] <mmc> any way to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 over internet connection?
[05:27] <mervteck> kk ty dwid
[05:27] <dwidmann> dpkg --install --force-architecture something.deb
[05:27] <yuriy> !upgrade | mmc
[05:27] <ubotu> mmc: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> mmc,  thats normally how its done. but ive never bothered to do so.. you haveing a specific problem. perhaps the ubuntu forums/wiki may help trouble shoot.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> There has been a LOT of issues with upgrading to edgy in the past.
[05:28] <mmc> guess i'll just have to download the fresh install iso...
[05:28] <yuriy> mmc: upgrading over the internet is also quite a bit slower than installing from a cd
[05:28] <Dr_willis> The alternative install cd. is what i normally use.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> Or course any cd install.. has a lot of updates allready out for the system. :)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> or do they keep updating the cd's ? ive never noticed.
[05:29] <mmc> dr_willis... i have it... but for some reason it wont work
[05:29] <Forge> grrr its saying my computers secure! it doesn't give me a port that can be listened to!
[05:29] <yuriy> mmc: do you have a separate /home partition? if you do, it's easiest and fastest to upgrade by doing a fresh install from a cd, just make sure not to format your /home
[05:29] <aftaylor2> is kubuntu the same as ubuntu except for the kde desktop or are there other other differences?
[05:30] <mmc> yurly... nope... all one partition
[05:30] <Forge> ahhh here we go
[05:30] <yuriy> Dr_willis: they don't, except for the updated dapper cd 6.06.1
[05:30] <mmc> i can just b/u my important stuff
[05:30] <Dr_willis> yuriy,  dident think so.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> I tend to keep /home on its own partition, or drive..  makes reinstalling easy
[05:31] <yuriy> aftaylor: it's basically a different set of default packages, mainly kde instead of gnome
[05:31] <amr> i need to install beryl themes on ubuntu
[05:32] <amr> any one help
[05:32] <yuriy> aftaylor: but the system is the same and uses the same repositories, and you can go from one to the other by installing packages
[05:32] <yuriy> amr: you already have beryl installed?
[05:32] <phobiac> amr: There should be instructions in emerald.
[05:32] <mervteck> an anyone give me a direct download link to wine? i cant find it on the page
[05:32] <phobiac> The last tab if I remember, you have to fetch them.
[05:32] <amr> how to installl beryl themes on ubuntu
[05:34] <yuriy> mervteck: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt/pool/main/w/wine/
[05:34] <Forge> still no good!
[05:34] <mervteck> oi wich one do i download lol
[05:35] <yuriy> mervteck: latest version ;)
[05:35] <Forge> first 1024 ports scanned and none are open (not that I'm blocking them all
[05:35] <yuriy> mervteck: the .deb
[05:35] <mervteck> i think i got it
[05:35] <mervteck> wine-deb or libwine?
[05:35] <mervteck> dev*
[05:35] <yuriy> just wine
[05:35] <yuriy> second from the bottom
[05:36] <amr> i have windows vista aero theme for ubuntu
[05:36] <amr> but icant install it how?
[05:36] <yuriy> amr: is it for gnome? for beryl? for kde?
[05:36] <yuriy> amr: .emerald is for beryl
[05:36] <amr> .emerald
[05:36] <mervteck> ty yuriy
[05:37] <yuriy> amr: if you have beryl running, click on the diamond icon in the system tray and go to emerald themes
[05:37] <amr> the file name is aero.emerald
[05:37] <amr> i use synaptic package manager to install beryl
[05:37] <amr> and i did except of one package it didn't install and give me error
[05:38] <amr> and now i can see the themes but can't apply
[05:38] <yuriy> amr: what package couldn't it install?
[05:38] <thief1985> Can anyone help me? I installed Ubuntu then installed the kubuntu-desktop package and set it to my default environment. But I restarted and I'm back in Ubuntu! How Do i switch?
[05:39] <yuriy> amr: in the emerald theme chooser thing, it applies it as soon as you click on it, last i used it
[05:39] <amr> but i click on the theme and it don't apply
[05:39] <yuriy> amr: if it doesn't, i guess you could go to "reload window decorations"
[05:39] <yuriy> see if that helps
[05:39] <stdin> thief1985: you have to choose which to use from the login screen
[05:39] <amr> does it need a restart of x-server
[05:40] <yuriy> amr: no
[05:40] <thief1985> Help meeee :'(
[05:40] <amr> ok but i used mandriva before alittle and liked XGL effects
[05:41] <amr> how to enabele it in uBUNTU
[05:41] <yuriy> amr: i don't understand. i thought you were running it already?
[05:42] <mervteck> bash: cd: /home/mervtecl/Desktop/wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb: No such file or directory i got this, anyone know what im doing wrong
[05:42] <yuriy> amr: after you install beryl from the repos, you have to run beryl-manager. you also may need to edit something in xorg.conf and you need to update your driver if you have nvidia
[05:42] <yuriy> amr: what video card do you have?
[05:42] <stdin> mervteck: did you try to cd to the file ?
[05:43] <mervteck> yes
[05:43] <amr> i did chose to install it form synaptic pakage manager but don't know how to enable
[05:43] <yuriy> mervteck: you can't cd to a file, you have to cd to the directory it's in
[05:43] <soulrider> amr: theres a good tutorial on http://ubuntuforums.org
[05:43] <soulrider> it explains everything clearly
[05:43] <stdin> mervteck: you don't, you just cd (change directory) to the directory
[05:43] <soulrider> you might wanna look for it
[05:43] <amr> ATI RADEON X300 SE 256mb hypermemory
[05:43] <yuriy> amr: sorry, i was under the impression you already had beryl running and just wanted to change the Theme
[05:44] <cyprene> Wow
[05:44] <thief1985> Can anyone help me? I installed Ubuntu then installed the kubuntu-desktop package and set it to my default environment. But I restarted and I'm back in Ubuntu! How Do i switch?
[05:44] <amr> i'll see it right now
[05:44] <mervteck> ok well i cd'ed the dekstop now what do i do ?
[05:44] <stdin> thief1985: you have to choose which to use from the login screen
[05:44] <soulrider> thief1985: when youre gonna log in, select KDE instead of GNOME
[05:44] <mervteck> if im using...
[05:44] <mervteck> 1 sec
[05:44] <mervteck> dpkg --install --force-architecture
[05:44] <mervteck> if im using that command to install it
[05:45] <thief1985> oh... wow.. i must have not seen that.. thanks stdin, soulrider
[05:45] <soulrider> thief1985: no prob, thats why were here ;)
[05:45] <borisyaltsin> hi, if I wanted to turn a wav file into a flac file how would I do that with flac? the man page is less than helpful..
[05:45] <thief1985> lol
[05:45] <thief1985> this is freakin S3XY!
[05:46] <soulrider> lol
[05:46] <yuriy> amr: here's one with a script that _should_ do it for you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=338771&highlight=beryl+ati
[05:48] <yuriy> amr: or here's the howto: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/BerylOnEdgy#ATI
[05:48] <amr> ok i'll see it
[05:48] <amr> thank you
[05:48] <mervteck> anyone got any idea?
[05:49] <yuriy> amr: oops you might want to scroll up on that one, there's some stuff to do before the ati section
[05:49] <stdin> mervteck: what's the question ?
[05:49] <yuriy> mervteck: what happens when you use that command to install it?
[05:49] <soulrider> mervteck: sorry, i didnt really understand the question
[05:50] <mervteck> ok i did cd /home/mervteck/Desktop to be in the area of the wine file, and now i need to install it using dpkg --install --force-architecture whats the command i put in
[05:50] <yuriy> that's the command
[05:50] <mervteck> thats it ? lol
[05:50] <dwidmann> dpkg --install--force-architecture something.deb
[05:50] <yuriy> dpkg --install --force-architecture filename
[05:50] <stdin> mervteck: just add the filename after
[05:51] <mervteck> kk
[05:51] <stdin> and use sudo
[05:51] <yuriy> oh right and that: sudo dpkg ...
[05:52] <mervteck> so its this "sudo dpkg --install --force-architecture wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb"
[05:52] <amr> hi
[05:52] <yuriy> mhm
[05:52] <amr> i did as the script but i gave me "chmod: cannot access `ati-aiglx-beryl.sh': No such file or directory"
[05:52] <mervteck> dpkg - warning, overriding problem because --force enabled:
[05:52] <mervteck>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:52] <mervteck> Selecting previously deselected package wine.
[05:52] <mervteck> (Reading database ... 90448 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:52] <mervteck> Unpacking wine (from wine_0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1_i386.deb) ...
[05:52] <mervteck> Setting up wine (0.9.29~winehq0~ubuntu~6.10-1) ...
[05:52] <sparr> what kernel modules might a webcam use?
[05:52] <sparr> a usb webcam
[05:53] <yuriy> amr: you have to be in the directory where you saved the script
[05:53] <yuriy> amr: cd /name/of/folder
[05:53] <dwidmann> yuriy: fyi, the index page, http://www.winebudgetdedicated.com, has a download link for the latest deb
[05:53] <dwidmann> erm, where did that url come from .... http://wine.budget...
[05:53] <yuriy> dwidmann: oh. heh. i've only used it as a repo before, i didn't realize there was a website there
[05:54] <mervteck> woot wine install worked!
[05:54] <borisyaltsin> you should celebrate by going to wine.woot.com ;)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> now find somthing it actually runs.
[05:54] <mervteck> lol they actually have that ?
[05:54] <dwidmann> mervteck: you probably need to do some heavy duty configuring though, probably
[05:54] <mervteck> well steam is installed already
[05:54] <dwidmann> :O it does exist
[05:55] <jughead> does beryl work with kubuntu?
[05:55] <stdin> jughead: yes
[05:55] <borisyaltsin> beryl is working fine with my kubuntu install.
[05:55] <mervteck> capndingus113charliebravo
[05:55] <borisyaltsin> a bit of weirdness on the taskbar and hiding panels though.
[05:55] <jughead> kthx.  I'm giving it a whirl, but all of the cool online vids of it are on the gnome desktop
[05:55] <mervteck> anyone know why it dont show text when running in wine?
[05:55] <stdin> and the 16 virtual desktops :P
[05:56] <yuriy> mervteck: hmm.. i know there was a bug like that at some point this summer, but it was fixed
[05:56] <mervteck> well steam has NO text and i cant even type in it
[05:57] <yuriy> mervteck: does winecfg work or no text there either?
[05:57] <mervteck> i dunno... where is the file at?
[05:57] <yuriy> file?
[05:57] <mervteck> what do i do with winecfg?
[05:58] <dwidmann> configure things?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> 'steam' one of the reasons i gave up on PC gaming.
[05:58] <mervteck> nvm i got it
[05:58] <yuriy> mervteck: it's used to configure wine. you just run 'winecfg' in the terminal
[05:58] <jughead> neato!
[05:58] <yuriy> mervteck: btw if people here don't know a wine question, you might want to try #winehq
[05:58] <dwidmann> dr_willis, and the other reason, would it happen to be the outrageous prices for the hardware?
[05:58] <yuriy> night all
[05:59] <dwidmann> night yuriy
[05:59] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  lame cd copy protection.. :)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  and the games constantly comming out needing more hardware... and still sucking as a game.
[05:59] <mervteck> ty! ill go there for now brb
[06:00] <dwidmann> pay $1000 and you can get the same game with "better graphics" eh dr_willish?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  now we need those PhysicX accalerator cards! and that Uber-Networking card that will give ya better pings!
[06:00] <Dr_willis> and SLI!  gotta have SLI!
[06:01] <xsacha> sli, pfffft
[06:01] <dwidmann> indeed dr_willis
[06:01] <xsacha> you need a multidimensional array of videocards now
[06:01] <Dr_willis> guy at work dident understand WHY he was wasting his $$$ on sli.. wheni explined  it dident matter if he was only running 1024x768 res anyway...
[06:01] <dwidmann> ouch
[06:02] <surgy> hey guys i have a big problem
[06:02] <xsacha> and intel want us on 81 cores soon..
[06:02] <dwidmann> I'm not using sli can't/don't want to pay for it... my 7900gtx is okay for now
[06:02] <surgy> i have been installing kubuntu over and over and over again on my laptop thinking that my username and password were wrong
[06:02] <surgy> now i know i have it right and it is still saying its wrong
[06:02] <surgy> what is the problem
[06:02] <surgy> ?
[06:02] <Dr_willis> boot to single user mode/rescue mode..
[06:02] <HymnToLife> xsacha, that is unlikely to happen since the number of cores/processors must be a power of 2 :p
[06:03] <Dr_willis> Ive seen a few cases where your keyboards repeate rate is so high it can screw up you entering your password.
[06:03] <dwidmann> or the opposite (too low)
[06:03] <surgy> Dr_willis: what do i do after im in rescue mode?
[06:03] <xsacha> HymnToLife: maybe some of the cores are maths co-processors and physics accelerators
[06:04] <xsacha> and videocard wannabes
[06:04] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try logging in.. perhaps try setting the users password again.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try logging in on the console also.
[06:04] <thief85> hello again:P
[06:05] <surgy> dr_willis: ok
[06:05] <thief85> I've got another question guys .. :P How do i get xgl going on kubuntu ?:D
[06:05] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try making a new user also.. (as a test)
[06:05] <dwidmann> !xgl
[06:05] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:05] <dwidmann> !aiglx
[06:05] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-xgl for support.
[06:06] <thief85> wow lol cool
[06:06] <thief85> anyone know what the requirements are? Do i have to have a good graphics card for xgl
[06:06] <thief85> ?
[06:06] <surgy> dr_willis: ok im root in terminal, should i startx?
[06:06] <surgy> how do i change my pw?
[06:06] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to install tahoma.ttf in linux?
[06:06] <xsacha> thief85: the videocard must support 3d.. so like.. no more than 9 years old generally
[06:07] <dwidmann> thief85: well, it needs to be capable of 3d acceleration, other than that the requirements are meager
[06:07] <thief85> lol
[06:07] <thief85> I've got some generic card on a p3... its AGP haha .. I'm going to try it!
[06:07] <dwidmann> ack, got myself right in the funny bone, and it wasn't funny :(
[06:07] <xsacha> if your card is more than 9 years old, you can pick up a gf4mx 440 64mb for $5 ( a special on newegg)
[06:07] <endo602> is there a program that i can ssh from windows to my box
[06:07] <surgy> !password
[06:07] <ubotu> Forgot your password? Boot into recovery mode. What's the root password? See !sudo. Don't see *** in password prompts? That's normal. Sudo doesn't ask for your password? It remembers you for several minutes. Please use strong passwords, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StrongPasswords
[06:08] <endo602> ?
[06:08] <stdin> endo602: putty is good
[06:08] <endo602> not cygwin
[06:08] <endo602> i need x
[06:08] <endo602> i use putty for text based
[06:08] <Dr_willis> that Xming X server for windows is handy.
[06:08] <thief85> xsacha: Thanks man, I'll do that.. Is it unsafe to try XGL in the meantime?
[06:08] <endo602> can i ssh into my box here?
[06:08] <stdin> endo602: or use FreeNX
[06:08] <xsacha> yep
[06:09] <surgy> Dr_willis: can you tell me how to change the password?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> endo602,  your question was a bit mistated. :) you asked to ssh...  heh.. xming can ssh in and run X apps and display them.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> surgy,  with the passwd command.
[06:09] <stdin> endo602: well, the NX client anyway
[06:09] <endo602> Dr_willis, thanks
[06:09] <surgy> dr_willis: so passwd [newpassword]  ?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try manpasswd
[06:09] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try man passwd
[06:09] <endo602> stdin, is it a small program?
[06:09] <dwidmann> surgy, no
[06:10] <dwidmann> passwd username
[06:10] <endo602> cygwin is sooo big
[06:10] <Dr_willis> if you are running it as root.. it will be changing roots password by default
[06:10] <dwidmann> then it will ask you for the new password
[06:10] <stdin> endo602: yeah, but I think you need the server on the linux side to use it
[06:11] <surgy> it says "what manual page do you want from [the pw i entered] "
[06:11] <xsacha> lol
[06:11] <elyon225> How would I go about mounting a .ape audio CD image?
[06:11] <mervteck> how do i install a font? i downloaded it already
[06:11] <xsacha> surgy: man passwd        to get info about the command
[06:11] <endo602> can i run these on windows?
[06:11] <dwidmann> mervteck: font:/
[06:11] <mervteck> nvm i got it i think =D
[06:12] <dwidmann> mervteck: in konqueror, that is
[06:12] <xsacha> surgy: passwd your_username_here           to change password for a username, eg, root
[06:12] <surgy> xsacha: thank you
[06:12] <mervteck> i had to download tahoma for steam to work right
[06:12] <elyon225> Are .ape files readable in linux?
[06:12] <stdin> endo602: the client, yeah, but Xming is probably easier http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming
[06:13] <mervteck> WOOT
[06:13] <mervteck> IT LOGS IN
[06:13] <HymnToLife> elyon225, certainly, but I don't know how :p
[06:13] <endo602> i want the client of xming right?
[06:13] <HymnToLife> elyon225, google ftw.
[06:13] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Yeah, I am...
[06:14] <elyon225> HymnToLife: Problem is, APE is apparently also the name of a Linux distro lol
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ape? thats a new one for  me
[06:14] <elyon225> dwidmann: Steam is a proprietary game delivery system for Windows.  Half-Life 2 and Counterstrike depend on it.
[06:14] <surgy> how do i exit man passwd?
[06:14] <stdin> surgy: Q
[06:15] <elyon225> But .ape is also apparently a CD image format ... one I've never heard of.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> man more :)
[06:15] <endo602> that link stdin is for the server
[06:15] <Dr_willis> or man less
[06:15] <xsacha> or less man more
[06:15] <Jucato> less is more
[06:15] <stdin> endo602: you need to run an X server on windows, if you want to use graphics
[06:15] <dwidmann> less > more
[06:15] <xsacha> less `man more`
[06:15] <Jucato> man more | less
[06:16] <xsacha> no, that would work
[06:16] <dwidmann> $man woman
[06:16] <xsacha> %blow
[06:16] <surgy> well it seams like the user name has the same problem
[06:16] <surgy> is there a list of users i can look at?
[06:16] <endo602> can i install it to usb to make it portable?
[06:16] <surgy> if so where is it?
[06:17] <stdin> surgy: /etc/passwd
[06:17] <surgy> thnx
[06:17] <stdin> np
[06:17] <surgy> the usrs are in there too?
[06:17] <Dr_willis> .ape = monkey audio format ?
[06:17] <stdin> surgy: there are only users in there, despite it's name :P
[06:17] <endo602> stdin, is there a client that i can put on my usb key
[06:18] <elyon225> OKay, so K3B can read and burn the .ape file, but how would I mount it instead of burning it?
[06:18] <stdin> endo602: not sure, never looked
[06:18] <amr> is
[06:18] <dwidmann> the passwords themselves are encypted in /etc/shadow, or something like that, IIRC
[06:18] <amr> there any way to run windows games on linux
[06:19] <Dr_willis> http://www.coolutils.com/Formats/APE     - sates there are linux .ape tools out.
[06:19] <stdin> dwidmann: yep :)
[06:19] <Dr_willis> amr,  wine sol.exe
[06:19] <amr> such as redalert
[06:19] <surgy> stdin: i dont see anything other than "root" and a bunch of directories
[06:19] <HymnToLife> Dr_willis, winmine > sol
[06:19] <Dr_willis> amr,  problem with a lot of games will be the copyprotection
[06:19] <surgy> amr: check out cedega
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Install DosBox - and  play the old Dos Classics!
[06:19] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:19] <dwidmann> amr: wine, but don't count on getting redalert working,I've tried, that game is hopeless
[06:19] <surgy> amr: cedega is a win32 aplication layer that emulates Direct X
[06:20] <jughead> can you follow the instructions for installing the firefox flash plugin for linux if you have one of the betas installed already?
[06:20] <HymnToLife> Dr_willis, DosBox can't run Duke Nukem 3D properly, shame
[06:20] <amr> i got to site now
[06:20] <stdin> surgy: there should be multiple lines in there
[06:20] <elyon225> jughead: That will replace your currently installed plugin.
[06:20] <surgy> stdin: there is but they are all directories
[06:20] <Dr_willis> HymnToLife,  i dont think anything can run that game properly... im not sure it ran properly when it was released. :)
[06:20] <jughead> so it's all good then?
[06:21] <amr> i'm downloading gentoo now
[06:21] <HymnToLife> Dr_willis, my MS-DOS in VMware does that like a charm
[06:21] <amr> is it better or ubuntu
[06:21] <jughead> I just wanted to be sure before I followed the intructions.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> HymnToLife,  cool. may have to try that.
[06:21] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I loved Duke3d when it came out... although it doesn't bring back the memories as much as Wolf3d... now, I played that game when I was 10.  What terrible parents lol
[06:21] <Dr_willis> HymnToLife,  wonder if FreeDOS can handle it.
[06:21] <HymnToLife> and that gis definitely one of the best ever !
[06:21] <amr> what is the diference
[06:21] <HymnToLife> game*
[06:21] <HymnToLife> Dr_willis, not well, either
[06:21] <Dr_willis> amr,  i doubt if you will be happy with Gentoo.
[06:21] <stdin> surgy: they should have something like "username:x:1000:1000:Name:/home/username:/bin/bash"
[06:21] <HymnToLife> but just google, you'll find floppy images or MSDOS pretty easily
[06:22] <elyon225> amr: Are you a pro at Linux?  Because if not, Gentoo will drive you crazy.
[06:22] <surgy> stdin: i found the uname its oem for some reason
[06:22] <elyon225> amr: That was the first distro I ever tried because I thought the logo was so friendly looking ;)
[06:22] <stdin> surgy: huh, that means that you did an OEM install
[06:22] <elyon225> Could someone tell me how to mount a CD image (specifically a .CUE and .APE file)?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> a .ape file is NOT a cd image as far as i have researched
[06:23] <surgy> stdin: thats my girlfriend she installed it.........
[06:23] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... k3b thinks it is ;)
[06:23] <Dr_willis> cue/bin files need to be converted to .iso befor mounting them with the loop feature
[06:23] <stdin> elyon225: if it's like a .cue .bin, you'll have to convert it to .iso first
[06:23] <surgy> stdin: what can i expect out of that?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> !loop
[06:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about loop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:23] <Dr_willis> !iso
[06:23] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[06:24] <elyon225> thanks, Dr_willis
[06:24] <stdin> surgy: it's meant for pre-installed versions, I've never done it. I'll have a look on the wiki
[06:24] <optical> Can someone help me.. I installed cpufreqd and it is running but it is keeping my CPU at 100% all the time.. I want it to run cool and quieter..how can i select different profiles from iwithin it?  is there some kind of interface gui i can use or something
[06:24] <optical> I am using edgy
[06:24] <elyon225> grr... no conversion for .ape.  By the way, Dr_willis... apparently .ape is an image format designed specifically for audio.
[06:25] <sparr> sounds like a poor design for an image format...
[06:25] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  from what i googled .ape was a lossless compressed audio format.. nothing to do with 'cd images'
[06:25] <surgy> stdin: ok now im logged in and my left click wont work........
[06:25] <sparr> .mp0, an audio format designed specifically for images
[06:25] <dwidmann> anyone around know if there is any major _performance difference_ between the 9631 and 9746 nvidia drivers?
[06:25] <sparr> dwidmann: for 8xxx or older?
[06:25] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm.  when I open the associated .cue file in k3b, it's ready to burn and lists 18 different audio tracks.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  the cue file tells it to look at the .bin file... so... whats the problem?  i still dont see what that has to with .ape files. :)
[06:26] <Dr_willis> or am i lost...
[06:26] <dwidmann> elyon225: with any luck, maybe k3b can convert that image to something else
[06:26] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I don't HAVE a .bin file.  Just the .cue and .ape.
[06:26] <InuDuelist> Hello, all
[06:27] <Dr_willis> check the .cue file - its a text file.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> could be its treating the ape file as some sort of wav.
[06:27] <Dr_willis> or audio track.
[06:27] <elyon225> dwidmann: How would I see if k3b can do that?
[06:27] <stdin> surgy: did your girlfriend set a password anywhere ?
[06:27] <surgy> stdin: yeah
[06:27] <surgy> stdin: whats wrong
[06:27] <surgy> ?
[06:28] <surgy> stdin: rightclick works but not leftclick
[06:28] <stdin> surgy: looking at the wiki, you need to compleat the OEM install
[06:28] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Grr... it says WAVE an has all the track information in the .cue file.  I thought since k3b knew all the track names, it must have been an image :)
[06:28] <elyon225> So I actually have to burn a CD just to rip the audio from it..
[06:28] <surgy> stdin: how?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  try 'file whatever.ape' and see what it thinks it is.
[06:29] <stdin> surgy: you need to run "sudo oem-config-prepare" (from a console) and the reboot
[06:29] <elyon225> Dr_willis: CDImage.ape: Monkey's Audio compressed format version 3970 with extra high compression, stereo, sample rate 44100
[06:29] <surgy> elyon225: have you tried K3B?
[06:29] <elyon225> surgy: I haven't tried actually BURNING it yet... just opening the .cue file.
[06:30] <surgy> elyon225: might wqanna burn it then open
[06:30] <Dr_willis>  extra high compression - isent that lovely!
[06:30] <elyon225> surgy: Yeah... wasn't just hoping to avoid having to burn it just to rip it to MP3's
[06:30] <elyon225> was*
[06:30] <surgy> stdin: how can i open the kdemenu without leftclick? my laptop has no "super" key
[06:31] <Jucato> surgy: Alt+F1
[06:31] <phobiac> surgy: Tab it maybe
[06:31] <phobiac> tap*
[06:31] <stdin> or from the tty login
[06:31] <underdog5004> how do, everyone!
[06:31] <phobiac> Usually with laptop mice tapping the pad doubles as a leftclick
[06:31] <surgy> jucato: thnx
[06:31] <Dr_willis> gnormalize decodes the MP3/MP4/MPC/OGG/APE/FLAC file to WAV,
[06:32] <Dr_willis> !info gnormalize
[06:32] <ubotu> Package gnormalize does not exist in any distro I know
[06:32] <underdog5004> lol, whoa...a limit to ubotu's knowledge...
[06:32] <Jucato> surgy: you can change the shortcut in System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard shortcuts
[06:33] <brett_> anyone know anything about microphones? I just got a headset so that I can talk while I play a game, I am told that my system is having trouble mixing or something like that
[06:33] <surgy> stdin:this should fix my left click prob?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> K3b Monkey's Audio plugin 3.1         http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/K3b-Monkey-s-Audio-plugin-8572.shtml
[06:33] <underdog5004> brett_, is your audio card set to "full duplex"? you need that for mic and speakers
[06:33] <surgy> alyon225: is there an isobuster clone for linux?
[06:33] <phobiac> Has anyone ever installed cedega before?
[06:33] <underdog5004> !kiso
[06:33] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[06:33] <stdin> surgy: maybe
[06:34] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  lots of people have. :)
[06:34] <phobiac> I'm trying to follow the directions here: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[06:34] <surgy> phobiac: i have
[06:34] <Cuddles_Laptop> evening all.
[06:34] <brett_> underdog5004: yes. i changed it there yesterday
[06:34] <Dr_willis> but ive never used the cvs - i spent my $5
[06:34] <surgy> phobiac: what do you need to know?
[06:34] <phobiac> Dr_Willis: I meant someone here who might be able to help :P
[06:34] <underdog5004> hmm, can't help you...I've had the same trouble...ended up using a USB headset (for skype)
[06:34] <phobiac> surgy: The script returns this error: test: 43: ==: unexpected operator
[06:34] <phobiac> WineCVS.sh: 48: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:34] <brett_> underdog5004: i am planning on getting a new one because this one i don't think is good
[06:35] <brett_> underdog5004: if i get usb will that maybe make it easier to fix?
[06:35] <surgy> phobiac: spend the 5$ i cant get anything to compile
[06:35] <stdin> phobiac: how are you running it?
[06:35] <Cuddles_Laptop> question. when trying to connect with knetworkmanager, it gets as far as 28% (configuring hardware) and hangs. 100% signal strength, and the following in /var/log/messages - dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:35] <surgy> phobiac: i have never gotten anything to compile right
[06:35] <Cuddles_Laptop> any ideas on fixing this?
[06:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  thats a sign of a "bash vs dash" issue.. edit that .sh script and change the first like from #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash
[06:35] <phobiac> stdin: With the terminal, just like it says. sh WineCVS.sh
[06:35] <stdin> phobiac: try "bash WineCVS.sh"
[06:35] <phobiac> Dr_willis: Thanks, I'll try that
[06:35] <Dr_willis> phobiac,  IF you are lucky thats all it is...
[06:36] <phobiac> stdin I'll try that if Dr_willis' suggestion doesn't work
[06:36] <Dr_willis> and ya may want to use bash whateveritis.sh also. not 'sh'
[06:36] <phobiac> Hmm
[06:36] <Dr_willis> just hope it dosent call other scripts with sh whatever from within itself.
[06:36] <stdin> phobiac: it's the same solution really, just a different way :)
[06:36] <phobiac> It is #!/bin/bash
[06:36] <brett_> underdog5004: ?
[06:36] <phobiac> Ah okay
[06:37] <underdog5004> brett_, lol, sorry, readin' a book...yeah, it should work just fine
[06:37] <phobiac> Well, bash WineCVS.sh seems to be working
[06:37] <phobiac> I'll be back in a moment if I have any other issues
[06:37] <phobiac> Thanks
[06:37] <stdin> :)
[06:37] <underdog5004> fI'm using a Plantronics USB headset right now, it's not PnP, but a quick logout/login fixes that
[06:37] <phobiac> Err, hopefully though I won't be back! :D
[06:37] <stdin> heh
[06:38] <mervteck> i love wine ^^
[06:38] <mervteck> but the ppl in the wine channel are assholes =\
[06:38] <brett_> usb is easier to set up? I am having trouble choosing one. Other ones I have bought, this one included, require me to move the mic right next to my mouth or else no one can hear me. Do you know any good models?
[06:38] <surgy> stdin: its on password setup on oem setup, and i click finish and it doesnt finish....... it just clicks and does nothing
[06:38] <Dr_willis> The U.K.-based team that released the "Satanic" version of Ubuntu last December -- nicknamed "Evil Edgy" -- earlier this month added a KDE-based Kubuntu version.
[06:38] <phobiac> Hmmm, anyone know what profile to use?
[06:39] <Dr_willis> All righty! now i can make an XXX based Edgy! called "Erotic Edgy" :)
[06:39] <underdog5004> brett_, had the same problem w/ the mic, just turn it up in Kmix
[06:39] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:39] <surgy> dr_willis, your a perv
[06:39] <stdin> surgy: make sure the passwords match, then just try pressing enter
[06:39] <xsacha> Erotic Edgy Eft?
[06:39] <intelikey> what app would be the easiest to make a bar graph, for someone that has NEVER messed with a spred sheet ?
[06:39] <brett_> underdog5004: hmm, i remeber maxing the settings... no matter i will get a good usb one
[06:39] <xsacha> what would you call XXX version of Feisty Fawn?
[06:39] <phobiac> Feisty Fu...nvm family channel
[06:40] <underdog5004> xsacha, not even touching that one...
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: You wouldn't HAVE to change the name ;)
[06:40] <xsacha> :P
[06:40] <underdog5004> brett_, oh, I don't know, then...alsa kinda mystifies me...
[06:40] <surgy> stdin: nothing
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: I guess now we know what the Ubuntu team is REALLY working on...
[06:40] <xsacha> XXX version of edgy?
[06:40] <elyon225> xsacha: Nope.  A XXX version of Ubuntu - called Feisty Fawn.
[06:40] <elyon225> I went to school with a girl named Fawn once...
[06:41] <xsacha> that's hot
[06:41] <dope> i'm having trouble using unrar in the command line
[06:41] <underdog5004> !offtopic
[06:41] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:41] <dope> can someone help
[06:41] <dope> i don't know what to do :(
[06:41] <underdog5004> dope, are the files .rar's?
[06:41] <elyon225> Seriously does sound like a porn star's stage name.  But yeah, this is off-topic ;)
[06:41] <phobiac> brb
[06:41] <underdog5004> if not, why not just use tar?
[06:41] <surgy> dope: ask the question
[06:41] <dope> sorta
[06:41] <stdin> surgy: you can try adding a user the manual way, or you may just have to reinstall
[06:41] <Jucato> dope: what problem?
[06:41] <elyon225> !ask dope
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask dope - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <dope> i don't know how to use unrar
[06:41] <elyon225> !ask | dope
[06:41] <ubotu> dope: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:41] <Jucato> dope: install unrar (from multiverse) and use Ark
[06:41] <dope> i type unrar <filename>
[06:42] <dope> it's commandline
[06:42] <surgy> stdin: man seriously? ive reinstalled 12 times ona 600mhz 128 mb ram laptop, 13 hours of reinstalling!
[06:42] <stdin> or "unrar e file.rar"
[06:42] <dope> can i not unrar from the command line?
[06:42] <dope> ah
[06:42] <dope> lemme try that
[06:42] <Jucato> dope: yes you can. but don't you want to use the GUI? :P
[06:42] <dwidmann> perhaps "unrar x filename" ?
[06:42] <Dr_willis> !unp
[06:42] <ubotu> unp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[06:42] <Jucato> unrar x <file> would be correct
[06:42] <dope> oh
[06:42] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:43] <Dr_willis> of course ya need unrar installed to unpack stuff with 'unp' :)
[06:43] <dope> yay
[06:43] <elyon225> !info unp
[06:43] <dope> damn you guys know your stuff
[06:43] <stdin> surgy: I've never used an OEM install, so I don't know much about it
[06:43] <Jucato> heh.. ever heard of FAQ? :D
[06:43] <intelikey> one could only hope that that was  unrar -x filename
[06:43] <Dr_willis> is "whats a faq" the #1 on the Faq?
[06:43] <Jucato> heh
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: man unrar
[06:44] <dwidmann> DR_Willis: I think it's #2 after "How do I play mp3's"
[06:44] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I hate FAQs... just because the problem I have has never been answered by one.  With Linux, Windows, different apps, anything... they've NEVER helped me for some reason.
[06:44] <phobiac> Back
[06:44] <phobiac> Isn't a Fawn a baby deer..? That takes it in a whole different direction.
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: x there is not a switch
[06:44] <stdin> man unrar: "e      Extract files to current directory." "x      Extract files with full path."
[06:44] <Dr_willis> i love it when ya do a typo an the commands print  out the little help docs.. one optionis always --help, that also prints out the identical help docs.. :)
[06:44] <intelikey> it is a switch Jucato
[06:44] <underdog5004> and an eft is basically a newt
[06:44] <surgy> stdin: i closed the window and pressed alt + F3 and now its asking for username, how do i manually add one?
[06:45] <Jucato> intelikey: it's a command. do "unrar --help"
[06:45] <Jucato> it's a <command> in unrar
[06:45] <stdin> surgy: you can login as oem and use "adduser [username] "
[06:45] <stdin> surgy: that's actually "sudo adduser [username] "
[06:46] <Jucato> too bad the person who knows best about OEM is not here...
[06:46] <underdog5004> who, genii?
[06:46] <surgy> stdin: i cant login to oem anymore
[06:46] <Jucato> no. abattoir
[06:46] <intelikey> jucato i'd have to install it.  and i'm not going to do that just to help you make some moot point  :)
[06:46] <surgy> stdin: can i do that from recovery konsole?
[06:46] <stdin> surgy: ahh, then just reboot in to "recovery mode"
[06:46] <Jucato> intelikey: if it was moot, you would have dropped it before "it's a switch"
[06:46] <Jucato> :D
[06:47] <surgy> stdin: so its adduser [uname]  [pword]  ?
[06:47] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:47] <stdin> surgy: no, just the username, you'll be asked for the pass by the prompts
[06:47] <surgy> stdin: ok
[06:47] <intelikey> Jucato no... i never drop moot points     you should know that by now.
[06:48] <intelikey> i still say it's a switch....  potato tomato kinda thing  :)
[06:49] <Jucato> it's not a potato tomato kind of thing though... because it isn't a switch
[06:49] <intelikey> just like   install   or remove   are switches for apt-get
[06:50] <stdin> they are commands
[06:50] <Jucato> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/327730
[06:50] <surgy> i have a general question out of my ignorance vault i call a brain. Since OSX finds its roots in unix and linux finds its roots in unix then why can linux use itunes for osx?
[06:50] <intelikey> switches without dashes
[06:50] <Jucato> dont' argue with me. argue with the guys who made unrar and chose not to make 'x' into a switch
[06:50] <sparr> how can i find out which files reside in the RAM half of a livecd+ram unionfs?
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: I presume you have apt-get installed right?
[06:51] <stdin> surgy: because they use different binary formats
[06:51] <intelikey> lol   yeah apt is installed
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: do apt-get --help and see what install and remove are
[06:52] <intelikey> they are switches
[06:52] <Jucato> really?
[06:52] <Jucato> even if they are listed under "Commands:" ?
[06:52] <stdin> they are under "Commands:"
[06:52] <mervteck> anyone here know a good site to learn from to learn how to code in Linux?
[06:52] <surgy> stdin: how do i remove user [penguin]      i messed up :(
[06:52] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone tell me what this error means, and how to fix it please? dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[06:52] <intelikey> yes command switches and opeion switches
[06:52] <surgy> stdin: is there an osx application layer?
[06:53] <intelikey> they turn functions on and off in the app
[06:53] <user_> aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[06:53] <Jucato> intelikey: --purge, -h, -v, those are switches
[06:53] <intelikey> option switches  ^
[06:53] <stdin> surgy: userdel -r username
[06:53] <Jucato> and if you ever did apt-get --help like I told you, you'd know
[06:53] <intelikey> Options:
[06:54] <intelikey>   -h  This help text.
[06:54] <Jucato> but of course, I know you didn't, because you presume that you are correct
[06:54] <intelikey> Jucato  yes and " install -u "  those are switches too
[06:54] <elyon225> Uh oh... so I just plugged in my mp3 player to delete all the music off of it.  But when I was finished, I "safely removed" it, but the files are still on the player.  When I plugged it back in and opened it in amaroK and Konq, it says there are no files... what am I missing??
[06:54] <Jucato> intelikey: no. "install" is the command, "-u" is the switch
[06:54] <stdin> surgy: osx may have been based on unix, as was linux, but they are totally different operating systems
[06:55] <intelikey> Jucato install is a command switch and -u is an option switch
[06:55] <stdin> !offtopic | Jucato, intelikey
[06:55] <ubotu> Jucato, intelikey: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:55] <surgy> stdin: well can i emulate osx?
[06:55] <stdin> Jucato, intelikey sorry, had to do it :)
[06:55] <Jucato> stdin: sorry, just getting irritated
[06:56] <Cuddles_Laptop> can someone -please- help me with a problem using knetworkmanager?
[06:56] <stdin> surgy: maybe, but you have to remember that the hardware osx is designed for is different to the normal pc
[06:56] <dope> it's not possible to stream an avi file is it
[06:57] <intelikey> stdin first thing i did was asked a question... been waiting for and answer
[06:57] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, is it a wifi problem? if so, I prefer using Wlassistant
[06:57] <intelikey> what app would be the easiest to make a bar graph, for someone that has NEVER messed with a spred sheet ?
[06:57] <intelikey> repost ^
[06:57] <Jucato> intelikey: try kchart
[06:57] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog, same problem on it. same error too.
[06:57] <intelikey> kchart   kthanks
[06:57] <underdog5004> ok, no idea...are you using ndiswrapper?
[06:58] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, yes.
[06:58] <ForgeAus> kchart or open office
[06:58] <underdog5004> hmmm, what wireless card are you using?
[06:58] <surgy> stdin: thank you
[06:58] <surgy> stdin: your a life saver
[06:58] <ForgeAus> or a bitmap graphics proggy
[06:58] <stdin> surgy: heh, no problem :)
[06:58] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, linksys wpc300n
[06:59] <surgy> stdin: but how do i kill processes that i dont need? like cd burning
[06:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, took me 5 days, but it works
[06:59] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, ok, lemme google around
[06:59] <phobiac> Alright, having another issue with the script for installing Cedega
[06:59] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, i already have, but i found zilch
[06:59] <phobiac> It keeps saying "EOF from server", it's on teh 5th retry.
[07:00] <phobiac> I'm assuming it's trying to get the files from the server..
[07:00] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, you may want to use a pcmcia card or an alternate internel card...Orinoco Cards kick ass
[07:00] <stdin> surgy: if it's an X app, you can use Ctrl-Alt-Esc and click on the window, or you can kill it if you know its PID with "kill [PID] " or kill it by name with "killall [appname] " (<< that kills all instances of it)
[07:00] <underdog5004> lol, I've got one...I'll sell it to you...
[07:00] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, it's pcmcia
[07:00] <underdog5004> capitalism at its best...hee hee
[07:01] <underdog5004> no internal card capability?
[07:01] <underdog5004> bummer
[07:01] <mervteck> anyone else think steam needs to make a linux coppy?
[07:01] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, if i manually run ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 it works fine
[07:01] <phobiac> Bah, I'm going to bed. Night all.
[07:01] <surgy> stdin: ok let me rephrase myself, im native to windows trying to port myself, so i will explain it in windows terms and hope you understand. Im looking for either the services tool or msconfig (or a command line version) sorry i dont know another way to say it, its like two different languages sometimes
[07:02] <underdog5004> weird...so why not just use those? wrap it all up in a nice little .sh script add it to startup stuff
[07:02] <xsacha> surgy: a way to autostart something?
[07:02] <xsacha> gnome has a sort of start up thing like that and kde has autostart directory
[07:02] <surgy> atdin: a way to kill it and it wont start back, and maybe priority?
[07:02] <underdog5004> /home/user/.KDE/autostart
[07:02] <underdog5004> I believe
[07:02] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, tried that. it won't work on startup for some reason
[07:03] <surgy> underdog5004: and i can delete stuff from there and it will not start?
[07:03] <underdog5004> Cuddles_Laptop, hmmm, did you chmod +x the script?
[07:03] <underdog5004> surgy, no idea, never played w/ it...
[07:04] <stdin> surgy: hmm, it's been a while since I used windows, but do you want a way to control what services start at boot ?
[07:04] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, yes. but still no go. hence the knetworkmanager.
[07:04] <surgy> stdin: yes after i click "login" i want it to load only the minimal services im working with 128 mb ram
[07:04] <underdog5004> major bummer...I don't know...I'm all out of ideas, sorry!
[07:04] <underdog5004> surgy, how big is your swap?
[07:05] <surgy> underdaog5004: i dont know my girlefriend did the install
[07:05] <underdog5004> whoa...a girl using linux? /Sarcasm
[07:05] <surgy> underdog5004: im asumeing 1gb since its a 7 gb hdd
[07:05] <stdin> unlike in windows, the services will start at boot, not at login
[07:06] <underdog5004> surgy, I can't remember how to check the size of partitions...
[07:06] <underdog5004> sorry
[07:06] <stdin> sudo fdisk -l
[07:06] <surgy> stdin: sorry for changing to a different problem, but this is one that take presedence, the pcmcia ethernet card wont work. driver issue?
[07:06] <underdog5004> surgy, there you go
[07:06] <Cuddles_Laptop> underdog5004, another question then. is there -any- way to stop kopete from using kwallet?
[07:07] <underdog5004> I don't know...I don't use kopete nor kwallet
[07:07] <stdin> surgy: I've never used pcmcia, so I can't say for sure
[07:07] <surgy> stdin: the auto network config crashed on install
[07:08] <surgy> stdin: how do i run the autonetwork config again?
[07:08] <stdin> surgy: System Settings > Network Settings
[07:09] <surgy> stdin: thnx
[07:10] <amr> any one know how install   .tgz   file
[07:10] <stdin> depends what's in it
[07:11] <surgy> stdin: another problem.....
[07:11] <amr> its cedega
[07:11] <surgy> stdin: the root password isnt what we set it
[07:11] <stdin> !tar | amr
[07:11] <ubotu> amr: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: we don't use the root account on *ubuntu, we use sudo
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: the pcmci card is installed but disabled, and we dont have the root password, so the only choice is recovery konsole
[07:12] <Jucato> that .tgz would most probably be source code you need to compile
[07:12] <amr> i know it's a ark  but i need to know how install in linux
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: you use _your_ password
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: sorry. but it asked in administrative mode for root password. we dont have it
[07:12] <surgy> stdin: i did it doesnt work
[07:12] <stdin> surgy: yep, use your pass
[07:13] <stdin> surgy: maybe you aren't in the admin group
[07:13] <surgy> stdin: says "coversation with su: failed"
[07:13] <Kyl1> Hello?
[07:14] <surgy> stdin: how do i add penguin (being my alias for chat) to be in administrative group?
[07:14] <Kyl1> Hmmm
[07:14] <Kyl1> I dunno
[07:15] <HymnToLife> surgy, sudo nano /etc/group, find the admin line, add your user
[07:15] <stdin> surgy: 1st check if you are in it, System Settings -> User Management -> groups, and click on admin
[07:15] <surgy> hymntolife: ill have to do it in recovery
[07:15] <HymnToLife> do it in recovery, then :p
[07:15] <Kyl1> Hey, how do you install KXdocker?
[07:16] <stdin> HymnToLife: how can he use sudo if he's not in the admin group ?
[07:16] <ssmasud> any NS2 experts over here?
[07:16] <Kyl1> Nope...
[07:16] <Kyl1> Not me.
[07:16] <HymnToLife> stdin, in recovery :p
[07:16] <Kyl1> me?
[07:16] <stdin> HymnToLife: then he still wouldn't use sudo :P
[07:16] <HymnToLife> he can omit it
[07:16] <HymnToLife> but it will work with it, too :p
[07:16] <ssmasud> I am having problems installing NS2....dependencies issue
[07:17] <surgy> stdin penguin uid 1000
[07:17] <underdog5004> NS...what?
[07:17] <surgy> stdin: group name penguin
[07:17] <HymnToLife> ssmasud, what is NS2 ?
[07:17] <ssmasud> Network Simulator
[07:17] <surgy> stdin: gid 1000
[07:18] <stdin> surgy: click on the "groups" tab, then click "admin" and look in the lower box and check if penguin is there
[07:19] <surgy> stdin: the only "admin" in groups is "administrative mode"
[07:19] <mervteck> does anyone know if battlefield 2142 will work on WINE not CADEGA?
[07:19] <stdin> surgy: what has a GID of "115" ?
[07:20] <surgy> stdin: after clicking on "show system groups" i find a gid of 113?
[07:20] <surgy> stdin: nothing with 115
[07:21] <stdin> surgy: do you see "admin" in there?
[07:21] <Tido> hey where can I configure Kspell?
[07:21] <surgy> stdin: sorry isee what your saying
[07:21] <surgy> stdin and no penguin is not there
[07:21] <Jucato> Tido: Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Spell Checking
[07:21] <surgy> stdin: not in admin gid 113 anyways
[07:21] <mervteck> anyone know a linux gamers channel?
[07:21] <mervteck> for irc
[07:22] <Tido> thanks Jucato
[07:22] <HymnToLife> mervteck, google certainly knows
[07:22] <stdin> surgy: ok, open konsole and type "grep admin /etc/passwd"
[07:23] <hans_> #linux-gamers.net
[07:24] <mervteck> ty hans
[07:24] <Tido> hmm, Jucato, there isn't a 'Configure Spell Checking' in Konqueror's Settings menu
[07:24] <surgy> stdin: ok that output a line "gnats error reporting system (admin):/var/gnats:/bin/sh"
[07:24] <Jucato> Tido: there isn't? hm...
[07:25] <surgy> stdin: does that mean penguin has admin now?
[07:25] <stdin> surgy: ok, now "grep admin /etc/group"
[07:25] <Jucato> Tido: in System Settings, try searching for "spell" in the search box...
[07:26] <Tido> wow
[07:26] <Kyl1> Anyone know how to install KXDocker?/
[07:26] <Tido> I didn't know you could do that, thanks Jucato
[07:26] <Jucato> Tido: no problem. did you find it?
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: "lpadmin:x:109:"   "admin:x:113:"
[07:27] <Tido> Jucato: I did, however I'm sad to say the option I wanted isn't here
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: is that correct?
[07:27] <Tido> I want Kubuntu to always spell check input fields if it's an option
[07:27] <Tido> I'm tired of always having to remind it to auto spell check
[07:27] <stdin> surgy: no username after admin:x:113: ?
[07:27] <Jucato> Tido: ah... that depends on the app, I'm afraid
[07:27] <surgy> stdin: no
[07:28] <firecrotch> Okay... I need some SSH help
[07:28] <Kyl1> Haha
[07:28] <stdin> surgy: ok, then there aren't any users in there, you'll need to go in to recovery mode and add yourself to it
[07:28] <Kyl1> Took me long enough to do it with Windows....
[07:28] <Kyl1> What do you need, Stdin?
[07:29] <surgy> stdin: ok whats the file and directory?
[07:29] <Kyl1> Im a bit rusty forgive me. I set up my whole server...that was one of the things needed....
[07:29] <stdin> Kyl1: other than a coffee, nothing :)
[07:29] <Kyl1> So, yeah.
[07:29] <Kyl1> Cool.
[07:29] <firecrotch> Whenever I login to my remote webserver with SSH, I have to supply the user's password; how can I set things up to not have to use the password when logging in from my local machine?
[07:30] <underdog5004> firecrotch, why?
[07:30] <Kyl1> I don't think there is a way.
[07:30] <underdog5004> genii, hey, long time no see!!!! I'm matthew, but I finally registered a nick
[07:30] <Kyl1> I have always learned that you must have a password on the local machine to be able to log into it remotely.
[07:30] <firecrotch> underdog5004: to make things easier for myself?
[07:30] <genii> underdog5004: Hiya :)
[07:30] <underdog5004> got my own server up and running w/ lamp and rtorrent...yay!
[07:30] <stdin> surgy: you'll need to do "nano /etc/group" and add "penguin" so it looks like "admin:x:113:penguin", then press Ctrl-o to save and Ctrl-x to close it
[07:31] <underdog5004> firecrotch, if it's connected to the internet, don't do it...
[07:31] <underdog5004> genii, have you heard of screen?
[07:31] <firecrotch> underdog5004: I think you missed what I'm saying.  I mean to not have to use a password if and only if I am using this computer to connect
[07:32] <genii> underdog5004: Yes, it's an old unix utility for users to share a console. Very handy
[07:32] <underdog5004> oh...I don't know...there may be something in a ssh config file
[07:32] <underdog5004> genii, yeah, I use it to initiate rtorrent from a remote computer, then I can shutdown the remote computer and still leave rtorrent running
[07:32] <stdin> firecrotch: you need to use a public key https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto#head-1ff9e61cfd81e9f741920b6920af8a85f7bddb30
[07:33] <surgy> stdin: ok added and rebooting
[07:33] <genii> underdog5004: For something like that you can also run the process with a detach switch so it doesn't need the tty it was run from open to stay active
[07:34] <underdog5004> genii, what's the advantage?
[07:34] <underdog5004> that's different than screen, right? or is the detach switch for screen?
[07:34] <underdog5004> when I want to check on my downloads progress, I ssh into the server and do screen -r
[07:35] <firecrotch> stdin: thank you
[07:35] <genii> underdog5004: You can execute any program with the detach switch, from a console login. It's nothing to do with the screen command :)
[07:35] <underdog5004> oh, ok...so...   'rtorrent -detach' ?
[07:36] <underdog5004> and how do I re-attach, and what is the advantage over what I'm doing now?
[07:36] <genii> underdog5004: Pretty sure but lemme look it up, don't use it a whole lot
[07:37] <underdog5004> genii, the computer shop where I work is now dealing w/ kubuntu...I'm _so_ happy about it...got the owner of the shop to install edgy on his lappy...oh, and I configged kubuntu to use a modem...first time!
[07:38] <underdog5004> yay for me...
[07:38] <genii> underdog5004: Looks like just -d should work :)
[07:38] <underdog5004> sorry...it's pretty late...
[07:38] <underdog5004> rtorrent -d
[07:38] <underdog5004> gotcha
[07:38] <underdog5004> lol, took a double shot last night and was out like a light
[07:39] <dope> where do i set the global volume key shortcuts?
[07:39] <genii> underdog5004: My old Thinkpad is just able to run 5.10 Kubuntu... sometimes I'm waiting a minute for the browser to open etc etc
[07:39] <underdog5004> Thinkpad 600e?
[07:39] <underdog5004> That's what I've got...
[07:40] <surgy> stdin: success!
[07:40] <stdin> surgy: took a bit of work, but we got there in the end :)
[07:40] <genii> underdog5004: Nah, a A20m
[07:41] <underdog5004> ah
[07:41] <surgy> stdin: but even though eth0 is working and has obtained an ip from the network konq still wont display google.com
[07:41] <underdog5004> so...a FiOp line that serves the entire county of Humboldt (where I live) got cut a few days ago...totally sucked...
[07:41] <genii> celeron 400 and 128 ram
[07:41] <underdog5004> still pretty spotty
[07:41] <stdin> surgy: does this work http://209.85.135.147
[07:42] <underdog5004> genii, mines a 366 and 64 RAM...had 128, but lost the other card...oh well...never use it
[07:42] <surgy> stdin: yes
[07:42] <stdin> surgy: so it's a DNS issue
[07:42] <stdin> surgy: how do you connect to the net?
[07:42] <surgy> stdin: your the guru :)
[07:43] <surgy> stdin: pcmcia adapter to hub to adsl modem
[07:43] <stdin> surgy: so it's a direct connection? ie no router
[07:43] <surgy> adsl modem is a router/modem, that has four ports running to two hubs
[07:44] <stdin> surgy: seems that the router isn't sending you the dns servers
[07:44] <surgy> stdin: its a 2wire modem if your familiar
[07:45] <stdin> surgy: just for kicks, try disabling the network, then enable it again
[07:45] <surgy> stdin: my desktop, the one im talking to you on is on the same hub which is on the same port of the router as the laptop and it gets DNS perfectly
[07:46] <underdog5004> genii, if I detach rtorrent, how do I reattach it?
[07:46] <surgy> stdin: doing it now
[07:46] <genii> underdog5004: Incidentally if you ever come across the internal card for the built-in LAN plug on one of these lemme know. I have to use right now a pcmcia nic
[07:47] <surgy> stdin: at first the card whouldnt stay enabled so i had to check "obtain ip automaticly" did i screw up?
[07:47] <surgy> stdin: protocol is dhcp
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: if that helps
[07:48] <stdin> surgy: yeah, it should be dhcp
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: viola fixed
[07:48] <stdin> surgy: working now ?
[07:48] <surgy> stdin: like a champ
[07:49] <stdin> \o/ yay
[07:49] <sparr> how can i find out which files reside in the RAM half of a livecd+ram unionfs?
[07:49] <surgy> stdin: you really are a life saver, you are a god among geeks :)
[07:49] <genii> underdog5004: I'm not sure there is a way to reattach it. At least I've never tried to do that. I used this way before to run stuff like special instances of apache which would have run next boot but I came in on ssh for instance and run them detached. I would then stop them by doing a ps ax|grep processname method to find and kill them if neccesary
[07:49] <surgy> stdin: thanks
[07:49] <stdin> surgy: i'm not a god, but you may worship me if you want :P
[07:50] <surgy> stdin: i was thinking about sacrificing a cat in your name and spreading the blood on my face and prancing around naked :)
[07:50] <Nothing> bleagh, got disconnected again...last I saw was "uh, for the A20m?"
[07:50] <elyon225> Could someone please help me figure out my MP3 player?  KDE says there are NO music files on it, but when I look at the list ON my mp3 player, it's still full.  I had tried deleting them on my computer but apparently it didn't work.  And I can't delete them AGAIN, because KDE says they're not there.
[07:50] <Nothing> surgy, now you know how I feel about genii...
[07:51] <surgy> stdin: lol j/k
[07:51] <genii> surgy I've heard stdin likes offerings of food and money :)
[07:51] <stdin> surgy: heh, that's ok, you don't have to do that :)
[07:51] <genii> Nothing heh!
[07:51] <Nothing> surgy, he helped me for about 6 hours one day configuring my ati video card
[07:51] <stdin> food, money and coffee :)
[07:51] <genii> Nothing Ah, hi again matthew LOL wasn't sure but am now who it is
[07:52] <underdog5004> weird...I got disconnected then got assigned the name "Nothing"
[07:52] <underdog5004> there goes my self-esteem
[07:53] <surgy> nothing: yea so far he has walked me through like 90 percent of like six installs
[07:53] <underdog5004> nice
[07:53] <underdog5004> surgy, I was nothing...now I'm me
[07:53] <genii> underdog5004: BTW I found a site that tells how to reattach a background process to a shell, looks useful
[07:53] <surgy> genii: lol
[07:53] <genii> I didn't even know til now it was possible to do, learn something every day
[07:54] <underdog5004> genii, links or it didn't happen...
[07:54] <underdog5004> lol
[07:54] <surgy> underdog5004: we should erect a bronze statue of a moose and in the caption, "If It Weren't For STDIN The World Whould Be Of Windows"
[07:55] <underdog5004> surgy, a moose? not a penguin? that's what my personal shrine to genii is, anyways...
[07:55] <genii> underdog5004: OK it's macosx centric but I just tried it and it works on my home box: http://macosx.com/forums/unix-x11/281602-re-attach-process.html
[07:55] <stdin> a moose ? :P
[07:55] <elyon225> Okay, the files on my mp3 player show up in the console, but not in Konq... what's the deal and how can I delete them all?
[07:55] <genii> underdog5004: A large gold-plated urn of coffee will do ROFL
[07:55] <surgy> underdog5004: lol moose just sounds kewl, like techy or junky, you know moose, genii will have to be an otter
[07:55] <underdog5004> elyon225, have you mounted the mp3 player?
[07:55] <underdog5004> otter?
[07:55] <underdog5004> lol
[07:55] <underdog5004> genii, the urn is on its way...
[07:56] <genii> :)
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: Not manually, but it mounted automatically when I plugged it in.
[07:56] <underdog5004> how do you know? is there an icon on the desktop?
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: I can open all the folders on the player within Konq, but it says my music folder is empty (although in the konsole, it shows files)
[07:56] <elyon225> underdog5004: Yes.
[07:57] <underdog5004> elyon225, hmm, weird... genii ?
[07:57] <surgy> underdog5004: you mean you know how to mount mp3 players? if you can help me mount my ipod 2.0 ill make a peguin statue out of ice cream for you
[07:58] <genii> underdog5004: I need to logoff actually and head to the office. If this is still on in about 30 minutes I can maybe help more then. Right now no time
[07:58] <stdin> !ipod | surgy
[07:58] <ubotu> surgy: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:58] <Jucato_> elyon225: you can't see the files in Konqueror? or Amarok just doesn't see them?
[07:58] <stdin> !rockbox
[07:58] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:58] <underdog5004> lol, I've no idea...but it seems logical that you can mount it as a mass storage device ie. sda1, etc
[07:58] <stdin> s/used/uses/
[07:58] <elyon225> Jucato_: In Konqueror (amaroK doesn't see them either).  But I can run ls in the konsole and they show up fine.
[07:58] <genii> yeah normally all the usb stuff gets seen as scsi
[07:59] <elyon225> Jucato_: However, when trying to cd into one of the folders, it gives me an I/O error lol
[07:59] <genii> underdog5004, stdin and all.... see you guys in about half hour when I can yack more :)
[07:59] <Tido> !rockbox
[07:59] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:59] <underdog5004> genii, I'll probably be in bed...g'night when you leave
[07:59] <surgy> stdin: gtkpod and amarok are no good for ipod 2.0 they only work for <ipod1.6
[07:59] <Jucato_> elyon225: tried to click on the Refresh/Reload button?
[07:59] <stdin> later genii :)
[07:59] <genii> underdog5004: aH, ok... SLEEP WELL THEN AND CATCH YOU LATER
[07:59] <surgy> but banshee is a new one
[07:59] <genii> damn capslock
[08:00] <elyon225> Jucato_: Yeah... nothing.
[08:00] <stdin> surgy: I use rockbox anyway, so I wouldn't know
[08:00] <surgy> stdin: for your ipod?
[08:01] <stdin> surgy: yeah
[08:01] <surgy> ipod 2.0?
[08:01] <Jucato_> :(
[08:01] <surgy> stdin: i searched for a week and came here for a minute
[08:01] <stdin> it's a 2GB nano (it was a gift)
[08:02] <stdin> I can play frozen bubble on it, I love that :)
[08:02] <underdog5004> lol
[08:02] <elyon225> Jucato_: Outta ideas? :(
[08:02] <Jucato_> elyon225: yeah.. sorry :(
[08:03] <surgy> stdin: my g/f is an ipod freak she has a 4gb pink one, i dont think its nano but its smaller than the original
[08:03] <elyon225> Well, just a word of caution to everyone... stay away from Sansa mp3 players... had a TON of trouble with mine (even in Windows)
[08:03] <elyon225> If it WORKED, though... it would kick iPod's butt.
[08:04] <stdin> all my music is in ogg format, so I don't use the apple firmware
[08:04] <surgy> stdin: i fell in love with amarok + K3B they are the perfect combo, only lake ipod 2.0 support :(
[08:04] <surgy> stdin: but she has kuubuntu now :) she can get rockbox
[08:04] <stdin> rockbox works with windows too
[08:06] <surgy> stdin: its a pink nano 4gb will it work on rockbox?
[08:06] <stdin> surgy: I have a looksee
[08:07] <surgy> stdin: i have no idea about any of them
[08:07] <surgy> whats a looksee
[08:07] <elyon225> Im looking at Rockbox now... too bad I can't put that on my player.
[08:08] <stdin> seems rockbox supports the 1st gen nano, but not the 2nd get ones
[08:08] <surgy> stdin: yeah i keep running into that
[08:09] <stdin> it may to at a later date, but they have to reverse engineer a load of stuff first
[08:10] <surgy> stdin: and thats firmware...... i dont want to put a firmware that "probably" wont work on her ipod she whould kill me if i crashed it
[08:10] <stdin> heh
[08:11] <stdin> you could *try* using itunes in wine, but that's WAY outta my league
[08:11] <stdin> (as I don't use wine)
[08:12] <surgy> stdin: itunes uses quicktime, quicktime is out of my league but qphtunes (an alternative) doesnt which i could cedega, but if i use cedega to run it will it find it? since its mount point will obviously be different than in windows?
[08:13] <stdin> i'm not a wine expert, but it's possible it could work
[08:14] <MotorCityMadMan> when doing a traceroute from shell what do the *** mean ?
[08:14] <stdin> MotorCityMadMan: usually means that the ping timed out
[08:15] <MotorCityMadMan> stdin: first two hops showed the *. if timing out is the reason. but why ?
[08:16] <stdin> MotorCityMadMan: some hosts don't reply to pings
[08:16] <stdin> firewalled
[08:16] <MotorCityMadMan> o*O
[08:16] <surgy> traceroute [ipaddress]  shows all the ip hops and pings of each from localhost to [ipaddress]  right?
[08:17] <MotorCityMadMan> yes
[08:17] <stdin> yep, it traces the route :)
[08:18] <MotorCityMadMan> i just hate those little stars :-()
[08:18] <frojnd> how can I update mz openOffice?
[08:19] <frojnd> my?
[08:19] <Jucato_> frojnd: if you installed from the repositories, you'd have to wait until an update is made available for it
[08:19] <frojnd> It came directly with kubuntu :)
[08:19] <frojnd> edgy..
[08:19] <Tido> are there better options for mozilla than mplayer?
[08:20] <Jucato_> frojnd: yep, you'd have to wait...
[08:21] <mervteck> anyone know where i can get the codec to get ventrilo to work. im running it in wine
[08:23] <mervteck> anyone know?
[08:52] <kraut> moin
[09:05] <tanlaan> hey everyone
[09:09] <genii> stdin Still here I see :)
[09:09] <koriel> hi all...does anybody knows why my nic is being reset somehow from time to time...I've set an ip manually and from time to time the nic looses this ip and I loose my connection
[09:10] <stdin> genii: yep, me and my coffee :)
[09:10] <m1r4g3> koriel it seems your dhcp client is still trying to get an ip
[09:11] <genii> stdin I waited and waited for a streetcar to work then some ppl walked by and told me it was in an accident so I gave up and came back home
[09:11] <koriel> how to I disable the dhcp in kubuntu
[09:11] <dethklok> Whooo
[09:12] <dethklok> !p2p
[09:12] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[09:12] <stdin> genii: heh, I'm on a week off, I go back to work on tuesday
[09:12] <m1r4g3> easiest way is to open the system settings and go to the network settings
[09:13] <genii> stdin If I had a week off I'd go somewhere with no computers LOL
[09:13] <stdin> genii, I can't live without a computer :P
[09:15] <dethklok> !limewire
[09:15] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[09:15] <m1r4g3> koriel if you want to use the cli, go the man page of interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces)
[09:16] <dethklok> !frostwire
[09:16] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:16] <genii> stdin Once in a while I need tojust turn em off for a couple days. At home and both places I work at I can't get away.
[09:16] <stdin> genii: that's what pubs are for
[09:17] <dethklok> random question, in the terminal, does pushing tab do an auto complete like gentoo?
[09:17] <Jucato_> dethklok: yes
[09:18] <dethklok> sweet
[09:19] <dethklok> and i'm trying to download frostwire.. but i only see a link for a .tar.gz and .rpm... shouldn't there be a .deb also?
[09:19] <dethklok> never mind, im a noob
[09:19] <dethklok> i found it
[09:19] <Viglen> hello
[09:19] <Viglen> i had ubuntu installed, i updated to kde
[09:19] <HymnToLife> !frostwire | dethklok
[09:19] <ubotu> dethklok: frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[09:19] <Viglen> now everything in the programs list is messed up
[09:19] <HymnToLife> other useful installation tips in there :)
[09:19] <Viglen> i have uniconed entries
[09:20] <Viglen> duplicates
[09:20] <HymnToLife> Viglen, remove those you don't like
[09:21] <Viglen> how?
[09:21] <HymnToLife> GNOME or KDE ?
[09:21] <Viglen> kde
[09:23] <Viglen> well?
[09:25] <smaggard> kde
[09:25] <smaggard> bettuh
[09:25] <HymnToLife> Viglen, in your K menu editor
[09:26] <amr> hi
[09:26] <HymnToLife> KControl > Desktop > Panels > Menu tab
[09:27] <Jucato_> right-click on the panel -> Configure Panel
[09:27] <Jucato_> or, right-click on the K Menu -> Menu Editor
[09:28] <Jucato_> HymnToLife: kubuntu doesn't show kcontrol by default
[09:28] <HymnToLife> Alt+F2 > kcontrol ftw
[09:28] <genii> OK: Todays puzzler - I have 2 usb drives. I always want the one drive to be seen as sda and the other to be sdb no matter if I haveonly 1 or the other or both plugged in. Any way to do this?
[09:29] <HymnToLife> that's one of the thingd I dislike about Kubuntu
[09:29] <surgy> genii: your still on here? your a trooper lol
[09:29] <HymnToLife> things*
[09:29] <genii> surgy I left and returned :)
[09:29] <surgy> genii: and honest :) lol j/k
[09:32] <codyt> hi
[09:32] <surgy> hi codyt :)
[09:32] <surgy> hello kai
[09:33] <codyt> bad lag..
[09:37] <genii> Anyone using xfce 4.4 yet?
[09:38] <ners> n
[09:38] <dethklok> oops
[09:38] <smaggard> anyone using kubuntu 9.0 yet?
[09:39] <pgdown> 9?
[09:39] <smaggard> .0
[09:39] <genii> smaggard Latest is pre 7.04 (Feisty)
[09:39] <smaggard> 9.0
[09:40] <dsterry> edgy would be kubuntu 6.10 right?
[09:40] <smaggard> yeah
[09:40] <smaggard> i just installed doppler 9
[09:40] <genii> since ubuntu numbering is year.month   v 9 won't be out for 2 years
[09:40] <genii> LOL
[09:41] <dsterry> do people use kontact or get thunderbird or what?
[09:42] <Tim_4117> Hello, could someone take some time in private or something please and help me since I'm kinda a noob with computers, Lol.
[09:42] <surgy> Tim_4117: first Lesson: dont ask to ask just ask
[09:42] <genii> dsterry Evolution is the default and works well. A lot of people prefer Thunderbird tho
[09:43] <Jucato_> Evolution is the default *in Ubuntu*
[09:43] <Tim_4117> Could someone help me in private perhaps?
[09:43] <dsterry> that's funny, this is a fresh install and it's got kontact
[09:43] <Jucato_> dsterry: it's the default in Kubuntu
[09:43] <dsterry> i use thunderbird on ubuntu but just wondered if kontact is any better than evolution...i didn't like it
[09:44] <surgy> tim i pmed you
[09:44] <genii> Jucato LOL forgot my distros. Actually I upgraded from gnome to kde and just kept using the Evolution mail without thinking if it came with the kde or not
[09:44] <Tim_4117> Lots of help in the computer and hardware section
[09:45] <surgy> tim_4117: i pmed you do you need help or not?
[09:47] <Tim_4117> Yeah the private thing needs me to register...
[09:47] <surgy> tim_4117: join #dew
[09:49] <genii> dsterry Anyhow you can install mozilla-thunderbird package for some usable mail client
[09:51] <martin> hello?
[09:51] <juano> im trying to reinstall grub
[09:51] <juano> i tried !grub, not much luck, windows passed over my mbr
[09:51] <surgy> whats the defualt directory of grub?
[09:52] <juano> i tried root (hd1,0) and then setup (hd0)
[09:52] <genii> it's/boot/grub
[09:53] <genii> (the default directory it's in) From the command line it's bios type convention like juano is trying
[09:54] <genii> juano What happened that you need to reinstall grub?
[09:56] <juano> genii i reinstalled windows
[09:56] <stdin> if you did "root (hd1.0)" wouldn't you do "setup (hd1)" not "setup (hd0)" ?
[09:57] <juano> stdin i tried setup (hd1) too
[09:57] <juano> stdin it didnt work
[09:57] <juano> stdin i tried then for hd0 didnt work
[09:57] <stdin> hmm
[09:57] <juano> stdin i have my first HDD for windows
[09:58] <juano> stdin my second HDD all for ubuntu
[09:58] <Jucato> root (hdx,x) <--- the partition where /boot/grub/stage1 is
[09:58] <Jucato> setup (hdx) <--- drive on whose MBR you want to install GRUB to
[09:58] <Jucato> the  hdx,x and hdx doesn't necessarily have to be the same drive
[09:58] <juano> Jucato yep, i tried, ill try again
[09:58] <genii> juano If you boot to livecd should be able to mount the old linux partition which contained /boot/grub directory then run the grub reinstall using the conf info from there
[09:59] <Jucato> juano: where are you doing these commands? did you do "sudo grub" first?
[09:59] <juano> genii Jucato stdin ok thanks for your help! be back in some minutes
[09:59] <juano> Jucato yes
[09:59] <Jucato> hm.. ok.. weird...
[09:59] <juano> Jucato i tried from live cd and also you can press c to get a command line from grub
[10:00] <juano> cause i got grub installed except it wont mount the linux partition
[10:00] <juano> Jucato the menu looks just like before though
[10:00] <juano> Jucato maybe i need to check the menu.lst
[10:00] <stdin> does it start booting the kernel at all ?
[10:00] <Jucato> did you move partitions?
[10:00] <juano> stdin nope, error 17
[10:00] <Jucato> hm.. wait
[10:00] <juano> Jucato not at all
[10:01] <genii> if by accident you installed grub to the partition containg your old / fdisk will show the partition type as acorn and not linux
[10:02] <juano> genii what does this mean_
[10:02] <genii> I'm pretty sure the 17 error is wrong partition type
[10:02] <juano> genii ahh
[10:02] <juano> genii i need to check my /boot/grub/menu.lst then?
[10:02] <genii> Another user here did this by mistake, it can be recovered
[10:03] <Jucato> juano: check if the entries in menu.lst for Kubuntu correctly points to the right partitions
[10:03] <juano> Jucato ok, ill check this
[10:03] <juano> thanks for the help guys, be right back!
[10:04] <genii> well, I would try to run fdisk from livecd on the drive which is supposed to have the old / and see it has linux type or lvm type for the partition that is supposed to mount root
[10:07] <fiberchunks> or should I just buy a bloody usb CD drive to install it -- course, then I'd need madwifi for my wireless card, or I can't upgrade -- it's a problem.
[10:08] <genii> fiberchunks Do you have some desktop around?
[10:09] <fiberchunks> sorry, don't get what you mean?
[10:11] <fiberchunks> i've got the .iso of kubuntu -- and I can install in vmware player -- but that's pretty useless, as it only uses pseudo devices, instead of my real devices, or am I missing something?
[10:11] <stdin> you can make your own live cd, ot customise the desktop cd
[10:12] <genii> fiberchunks Ah OK... it is an unusual install situation then. If it was something like it didn't like the kernel or whatever there is a way if you can hook it to a desktop system which will netboot and install that way
[10:12] <fiberchunks> indeed
[10:14] <dethklok> so like, i have java installed, and limewire installed but limewire dosent open.... just begins to but stops
[10:14] <fiberchunks> essentially, I've determined that I need to either 1) get a usb cdrom (the cdrom isn't detected because for some reason edgy liveCD doesn't have a whole bunch of drivers enabled by default - namely pata_marvell - which allows my ide cdrom to work properly.)
[10:14] <stamen> hi
[10:14] <stamen> can QEMU read linux partitons
[10:15] <Jucato> !qemu
[10:15] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[10:15] <fiberchunks> ha, or 2) get an ide->usb converter and hook the drive up to that, or 3) install opensuse, which does better hardware auto-detection (but kubuntu is my distro of choice
[10:15] <genii> fiberchunks Actually the netboot way may work for you then, if you have a spare box around to be a dhcp server and if your laptop can do pxeboot
[10:16] <stdin> dethklok: you probably need to change "#!/bin/sh" to "!#/bin/bash" in /usr/bin/limewire
[10:16] <fiberchunks> I had a bunch of machines, but they're all gone now -- otherwise that definitely would've been my choice :(
[10:17] <fiberchunks> and more importantly, if my machine will even boot off usb stick
[10:18] <stdin> fiberchunks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[10:18] <genii> fiberchunks Not a bad idea actually.
[10:18] <fiberchunks> stdin: danke
[10:18] <stdin> :)
[10:18] <genii> heh stdin to the rescue :)
[10:18] <juano> Jucato: im on live cd now
[10:18] <juano> Jucato: how do i mount my root partition??
[10:18] <genii> juano Hi, welcome back
[10:19] <Jucato> juano: you don't need to
[10:19] <juano> genii: hi im on live cd
[10:19] <Jucato> as long as you know where /boot is
[10:19] <juano> Jucato: fine but there is no /grub dir
[10:19] <genii> Well you need the old /boot from the hd not the livecd /boot dir
[10:19] <juano> Jucato: my ubuntu partitions are hdc1 hdc2 and hdc5
[10:20] <Jucato> juano: you don't need that. just as long as you know what  drive/partition /boot is located
[10:20] <dethklok> stdin, eh, what?
[10:20] <juano> Jucato: which is my boot partition?
[10:20] <dethklok> stdin, just rename it?
[10:20] <stdin> dethklok: no, edit the file
[10:21] <juano> Jucato: where can i find out where my /boot is located?
[10:21] <fiberchunks> well, I need to think on this more -- thanks for the help / info y'all -- gnight
[10:21] <Jucato> hm...
[10:21] <genii> fiberchunks good luck with it
[10:21] <juano> Jucato: cant i just chroot and mount my files?
[10:21] <stdin> dethklok: actually, just checked, you need to change "sh runLime.sh" to "bash runLime.sh" in that file, it's just a text script
[10:22] <Jucato> juano: well, if you chroot, there won't be need to mount the files. just try to see where the /boot directory is. it's usually together with the / directory in the same partition, unless you separated it
[10:23] <genii> should usually be 2nd partition eg: hdc2 or so in this case
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: from live cd i cant see any of my files on the hard disk
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: this dirs are from the live cd
[10:23] <juano> Jucato: i want to see my HDD /
[10:23] <Jucato> juano: of course, they're not mounted... you can temporarily mount them if you like.
[10:23] <stamen> how can I use Cd-rom in QEMU
[10:24] <juano> Jucato: how can i mount them_
[10:24] <Jucato> juano: don't you know which partition you installed / (root) into?
[10:24] <surgy> good night everyone
[10:24] <Jucato> I mean which of the three you gave? hdc1, hdc2 or hdc3?
[10:24] <dethklok> stdin, there is no file /usr/bin/limewire ...?
[10:24] <juano> Jucato: whats the command to mount them?
[10:24] <Jucato> er.. hdc5?
[10:24] <Jucato> juano: first make a temporary mount point/directory
[10:25] <stdin> dethklok: you have limewire installed?
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: hdc5 is swap
[10:25] <Jucato> hdc2 is what?
[10:25] <genii> juano If you go to command line then make a temporary dir like:mkdir  /mnt/tmp  then you can attempt manual mount like: mount -t ext3 /dec/hdc2 /mnt/tmp    then try to ls /mnt/tmp
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: hdc1 has the whole 70 GB
[10:25] <juano> and hdc2 is the extended
[10:25] <dethklok> stdin, hehehe, im dumb... i installed frostwire... :-p
[10:25] <dethklok> blah
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: so hdc2 would be it right???
[10:25] <genii> dev  not dec LOL
[10:25] <stdin> that'll be i them :P
[10:25] <Jucato> juano: did you install Kubuntu in just one partition?
[10:25] <juano> Jucato: yes
[10:26] <Jucato> juano: which partition? hdc1 or hdc2?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: hdc2, its the whole 70 GB
[10:26] <genii> perhaps lvm
 Jucato: hdc1 has the whole 70 GB <-- I'm confused...
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: hdc1 i mean
[10:26] <Jucato> ok..
[10:26] <Jucato> juano: so everything, including /home is in one big partition?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: how do i mount hdc1?
[10:26] <juano> Jucato: yes
[10:26] <dethklok> stdin, sry im so difficult to work with :-p..... contents of /usr/bin/frostwire:
[10:26] <dethklok> bash /usr/lib/frostwire/runFrostwire.sh
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: ok then, your /boot directory would be in that partition
[10:27] <juano> Jucato: ok, but i need to mount it first
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: which means, the command in grub should be "root (hd2,0)"
[10:27] <stdin> dethklok: try running frostwire from konsole, see if you get any errors
[10:27] <Jucato> juano: why do you have to mount it first?
[10:28] <juano> Jucato: oh ... i see, but how come when i did find /boot/grub/stage1 it returned root (hd1,0)??
[10:28] <juano> sorry it returned (hd1,0)
[10:28] <Jucato> juano: what's in hdb1?
[10:28] <juano> hdc1 you mean?
[10:28] <juano> hdb is the cd-rom i think
[10:28] <Jucato> no. hd1,0 = hdb1
[10:29] <Jucato> for GRUB, hdb1 is (hd1,0)
[10:29] <dethklok> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2849/
[10:29] <genii> juano Did you add or remove physical hard drives when you put windoze on?
[10:29] <juano> genii: yes, i was at my brothers with the other HDD that had the grub mbr on it, but i passed it over with windows ntldr
[10:29] <stdin> dethklok: have you installed sun-java5-jre ?
[10:30] <genii> Jucato Some bios confuse grub. They report for instance hdb as not installed so hdc becomes (hd1) for grub
[10:30] <dethklok> stdin, idk, I just downloaded what ever https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire told me to
[10:30] <juano> genii: but when i got back here, i plugged in the IDE drive just as it was, and well, now trying to reinstall grub
[10:30] <dethklok> stdin, sry not that... this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[10:30] <Jucato>  @_@
[10:30] <dwidmann> I've always wondered something, what does grub do when there are both SATA and PATA drives installed ...
[10:31] <juano> Jucato: so... what should i do? in grub prompt? root (hd2,0) ???
[10:31] <Jucato> genii: could you take over and help juano? I need to do something else...
[10:31] <genii> Jucato Will do
[10:31] <stdin> dethklok: maybe you need to run "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[10:31] <juano> Jucato: if everything is in hdc1, what should i do?
[10:32] <Jucato> juano: yes. root (hd2,0)
[10:32] <juano> Jucato: and then setup (hd2) ??
[10:32] <juano> or setup (hd1) ??
[10:32] <genii> juano Yes, if it looks from the livecd that the drive is hdc, then grub should see it now as (hd2,0)
[10:32] <dethklok> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2850/
[10:32] <juano> genii: ah ok
[10:33] <juano> Jucato: no prob, thanks for all the help
[10:33] <dethklok> stdin, just push enter?
[10:33] <juano> genii: so its root (hd2,0)
[10:33] <genii> juano Yes
[10:33] <juano> genii: then setup (hd0)
[10:33] <stdin> dethklok: press 3
[10:33] <dethklok> stdin: kk
[10:33] <genii> juano Yes, hd0 for setup. This is for the mbr
[10:34] <juano> genii: yep, ok ill try thanks!
[10:34] <dethklok> stdin: now try to run frostwire again?
[10:34] <genii> juano I'll be here for more help if it goes wrong
[10:34] <stdin> dethklok: yep, see if works now
[10:34] <juano> genii: grub> root (hd2,0)
[10:34] <juano> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[10:34] <dethklok> stdin, omg! how do you own so much?
[10:35] <amr> hi plz help
[10:35] <stdin> dethklok: heh, you're welcome :)
[10:35] <stephan> some program is blocking my audio device
[10:35] <dwidmann> as often as stdin in is here, how could he not?
[10:35] <dwidmann> I think stdin is setting records :O
[10:35] <juano> genii: ?? any ideas?
[10:35] <amr> i've done every thing in the ubuntuforum.org to install beryl themes but
[10:35] <stephan> is there a way to analyse which program is blocking?
[10:36] <amr> when i chose beryle from menu and start it the computer freezes
[10:36] <amr> help
[10:36] <genii> juano OK. When you removed the hard drive before, it was probably on a different ribbon than it is now, or maybe the master/slave settings have changed
[10:36] <juano> genii: nope, same master slave configs and pluggings
[10:36] <koriel> anybody installed db2 on kubuntu?
[10:36] <stdin> amr: is that with xgl?
[10:37] <amr> what xgl ?
[10:37] <dethklok> stdin, but u didnt answer the question!?!?! lol
[10:37] <genii> juano Physically in the machine, how are things arranged? I imagine windoze hd is master drive on first ide ribbon, then cd is slave on that ribbon, then kubuntu hd is master on second ribbon. Is it like this as you can see?
[10:37] <amr> i don't know xgl ?
[10:37] <dethklok> !xgl | amr
[10:38] <ubotu> amr: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:38] <stdin> dethklok: 10 years of fixing my own mistakes, that's how :P
[10:38] <dethklok> stdin: oic
[10:38] <dethklok> well big thanks... again.. lol
[10:38] <stdin> :)
[10:38] <stdin> amr: what video card do you have ?
[10:39] <juano> genii: i got my hdc1 mounted now!
[10:40] <juano> genii: im in my /grub/menu.lst
[10:40] <genii> juano OK, good :) Please pastebin it for me
[10:40] <juano> genii: ok sec
[10:40] <genii> juano I'm getting a coffee, back in a minute or 2
[10:41] <juano> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2851/
[10:41] <stdin> genii can't function without coffee
[10:42] <juano> stdin: lol, check my menu.lst if you want too
[10:44] <snowrichard> hello
[10:44] <dwidmann> 'ello
[10:44] <snowrichard> anyone want to critique my new web page lol
[10:45] <juano> genii: ?
[10:45] <juano> genii: you there?
[10:45] <genii> juano Change lines 118 and 126 and 132  to read (hd2,0)
[10:45] <genii> juano Yes, I'm returned with coffee and looking at pastebin LOL
[10:45] <dwidmann> it's already running this hot at 70% load ... guess I'll have to switch fans :\
[10:46] <juano> genii: sure? when i tried root (hd2,0) in grub prompt told me this: disk doesnt exist
[10:46] <genii> dwidmann degrees celcius how much?
[10:47] <genii> juano Yes, this is the correct hd # for where the hd is, if the livecd sees it as hdc
[10:47] <juano> genii: grub> root (hd2,0)
[10:47] <juano> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[10:47] <dwidmann> 55, but I'm only at 70% load
[10:47] <juano> genii: thats what happened when i tried that in grub prompt
[10:47] <juano> genii: does it matter? should i change it wanyway?
[10:48] <genii> juano Is grub beginning when you try to boot?
[10:48] <genii> or straight to windoze   etc etc
[10:48] <juano> genii: yes
[10:48] <juano> genii: its beginning yes
[10:48] <juano> genii: when i hit ubuntu to boot i get error 17
[10:48] <genii> juano OK, so then just make the changes I stated in that file and try again
[10:49] <juano> genii: ok so i change hd1 to hd2
[10:49] <koriel> anybody knows why limewire doesn't startup...I have edgy and compiz and it complains about java and I have jdk 1.5 which limewire finds it. and then just crashes after showing the logo and some loading functions
[10:49] <genii> dwidmann 55 is fine. Around 72 start to worry
[10:49] <juano> genii: how about this root=/dev/hdc1
[10:49] <juano> genii: should i leave that like it is?
[10:49] <genii> juano Yes that line is fine
[10:50] <juano> genii: ok im trying now
[10:50] <juano> genii: brb
[10:50] <genii> juano I'll be here :)
[10:50] <dwidmann> genii, I figure mprime could raise it to around 65 or so, granted, that's not a realistic load
[10:50] <juano> genii: ok brb
[10:51] <genii> dwidmann my main system runs around 68 idling and 74 hot, throttles at 76
[10:51] <dwidmann> I have a better fan laying around, I just didn't want to use it because it's a PITA to put on
[10:52] <Theory> oh, these are fan speeds, i thought you were talking load averages
[10:52] <Theory> s/fan speeds/temperatures/
[10:52] <genii> In my case degrees celcius
[10:52] <dwidmann> we were talking cpu temperatures (celsius)
[10:53] <genii> It's an overclocked coppermine so a bit warmer than usual for that cpu type
[10:53] <dwidmann> I barely touched the clock speed on mine and the temperature jumped out of its pants
[10:54] <stdin> my cpu is at 32C
[10:54] <genii> dwidmann If you plan to OC it use a good fan and some arctic sliver thermal paste
[10:54] <dwidmann> I've been meaning to either put a better fan on or go liquid .... I need to drag performance out of this guy somehow
[10:54] <genii> silver not sliver LOL
[10:55] <dwidmann> I've got AS5 and a half decent stock fan, I have a better fan in the closet ...
[10:55] <stdin> heh http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20071832660125.gif
[10:55] <genii> stdin What, you have your computer in a deep freeze or something?
[10:55] <dwidmann> I figure with liquid it would probably run at about that temperature
[10:56] <stdin> genii: that's what ksensors says
[10:56] <dwidmann> my cpu is running at a steady 55C, motherboard at 35C
[10:56] <stdin> mb is at 42
[10:56] <genii> yeah some sensors are on mb some on cpu
[10:57] <dwidmann> I'm still not sure what temp3 is o.O
[10:57] <genii> dwidmann liquid cooled is a pita sometimes you need to wait an hour for coolant to settle after shutting down to boot up again etc etc
[10:57] <dwidmann> genii: I can only imagine
[10:58] <stdin> dwidmann: me nither, but it's at 2-3C
[10:58] <dwidmann> Jeeze, cold
[10:58] <genii> on my dual cpu box (not dual core) temp3 is my cpu temp for 2nd processor
[10:59] <dwidmann> I'm not sure what my temp3 is ... but it must be somewhere on the motherboard ... it's at 39
[11:00] <dwidmann> And oh, genii, why in the world would you be rebooting a system to begin with :O
[11:01] <genii> dwidmann Well, for servers never if possible. But for personal boxes sometimes you forgot something after turning it off and need to boot again to check something etc. But having to wait that long for coolant would be a major pain
[11:02] <dwidmann> I suppose so
[11:02] <dwidmann> Then again, I think that's the only way I'll ever get a >10% overclock with this cpu
[11:03] <dethklok> is there a way i can like, record what ever is being streamed to my computer (music) from myspace?
[11:03] <dwidmann> There's always a way to do something. It's just a matter of whether it's complicated or not.
[11:05] <dethklok> dwidmann, do you know how i would go about doing this?
[11:05] <genii> dwidmann If yer interested in liquid cooling here is an informative page for you: http://discussions.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?t=166529
[11:08] <dwidmann> dethklock, hmm, used to know of a method to record just about anything, can't seem to remember what it was though.
[11:08] <dwidmann> If it comes out of your speakers, it can be recorded
[11:10] <genii> dethklok There is a very good firefox extension that lets you save embedded webpage content to a file  https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2390/
[11:10] <dethklok> genii, eh, thats not really the same.. thx though. I might have a solution, audacity
[11:11] <dethklok> !audacity
[11:11] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
[11:12] <dwidmann> ouch, I had almost forgotten how expensive the phase change systems were
[11:13] <juano> genii: no luck
[11:13] <juano> genii: before i had grub on hda
[11:13] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: depends what kinda of power you are storing
[11:13] <genii> juano Yes, hda corresponds to bios drive of (hd0)
[11:13] <juano> genii: yes, well i had grub there before
[11:14] <juano> genii: but now its installed on hd1
[11:14] <dwidmann> JohnFlex: also depends how much green your wallet is storing
[11:14] <juano> genii: i should install it on hd0
[11:14] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: :-)   it's just a bunch of capacitors
[11:14] <juano> genii: maybe if i ru nubuntu installed i can install it from there?
[11:14] <genii> juano Yes, it should be on hd0 if that is your boot drive. That is where the master boot record is and so on
[11:14] <juano> genii: maybe if i run ubuntu installer i can install it from there
[11:14] <JohnFlux> dwidmann: just big ones for anything high voltage/current
[11:15] <genii> juano Is there a hd or is it a cdrom on hdb ?
[11:15] <dwidmann> A phase change unit runs for around $900 brand new if I remember right ... forget where and when I saw that price though
[11:15] <dwidmann> (out of budget range)
[11:15] <juano> a cdrom on hdb
[11:15] <juano> genii: i checked with gnome-partitioner, hdc1 is my root partition
[11:15] <genii> juano OK no harm done trying to put grub on hd1 then :)
[11:15] <juano> genii: hda1 is windows partition
[11:16] <juano> genii: i tried it, didnt work, maybe i try root (hd0,0)
[11:16] <genii> juano No, that is where windoze is
[11:16] <juano> genii: ok.. so im out of options
[11:16] <genii> juano To understand hd designations from grub to linux
[11:17] <juano> genii: i dont get it, if my partition is hdc1
[11:17] <juano> genii: then it should be the (hd1,0)
[11:17] <juano> genii: hdc is the second hard drive
[11:17] <juano> genii: that is ok, cause its on the second hard drive
[11:17] <genii> juano hda=hd0 hdb=hd1 hdc=hd2   hda1=hd0,0 hdb1=hd1,0 hdc1=hd2,0
[11:18] <genii> juano Are you back on livecd?
[11:19] <juano> genii: yes im on livecd
[11:19] <genii> juano OK, do you have some command-line going?
[11:20] <juano> genii: hdc1 isnt hd2,0 cause it sais when i tried hd2,0 that the disk didnt exist
[11:20] <juano> genii: yes
[11:21] <genii> juano please do fdisk hdc1 (may need to sudo) then see what partition type it says by choosing "p" to print details
[11:21] <ponpon> salut a tous
[11:21] <juano> genii:  Unable to open hdc1
[11:21] <genii> may need: sudo fdisk /dev/hdc1    if it complains
[11:22] <ponpon> helo all
[11:22] <ners> f
[11:22] <ponpon> how to instinl a firewall on kubuntu please?
[11:23] <stdin> !firewall
[11:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[11:23] <juano> genii: Disk /dev/hdc1: 80.8 GB, 80805118464 bytes
[11:23] <juano> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9823 cylinders
[11:23] <juano> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[11:23] <ponpon> ok thank you
[11:23] <juano> genii: thats fine, its my partition with Ubuntu
[11:24] <genii> juano Yes, that shows just the geometry. The fdisk program should also tell what it thinks the operating system is by the partition type.
[11:24] <snowrichard> hello
[11:25] <genii> juano If you still have the fdisk command prompt you can type in "p" now to show details of the partition
[11:26] <genii> If it shows the type as linux or lvm it is good. But if it is something odd like especially acorn type of partition then it means that grub got installed to the / partition by mistake
[11:27] <juano> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2853/
[11:27] <genii> juano OK, be right back
[11:28] <genii> juano Well, this does not look too good, truthfully
[11:29] <juano> genii: i have 2 HDD
[11:29] <juano> genii: on the hda, i got windows
[11:29] <genii> juano There are no other partitions on that drive like hdc2 hdc5 and so on?
[11:30] <juano> genii: yes, theres hdc1, hdc2 and hdc5
[11:30] <juano> genii: hdc2 is the extended partition , hdc1 the boot with everything on it and hdc5 the swap
[11:30] <juano> genii: on my second HDD i have ubuntu on the whole disk
[11:31] <genii> juano The second hard drive you say is the one with ubuntu on the whole disk is NOT the drive hdc ???
[11:31] <juano> genii: yes , the hdc drive is that one
[11:32] <animimotus> hello
[11:32] <juano> genii: the hdc drive is the whole ubuntu drive
[11:32] <stephan> thanks
[11:32] <stephan> bye
[11:32] <genii> juano OK, just needed clarification :)
[11:33] <juano> genii: you said that hdc refers to hd2, but i tried hd2 and it tells me that that disk "hd2" doesnt exist
[11:33] <juano> genii: so it cant be hd2
[11:33] <genii> juano You should be able to re-put grub using as root then (hd2,0) and to install grub to (hd0)
[11:33] <animimotus> instead of specify the editor in a command line like : sudo gedit file.txt or sudo kate file.txt, doest exist by default a enrionnemnt variable ?
[11:34] <juano> genii: how about the command grub-install /dev/hda ?
[11:34] <juano> genii: what will that do? install my current configuration to hda?
[11:35] <genii> juano grub does not use names like hda or hdb or hdc  it needs names like (hd0,0) or (hd2,0) and so on
[11:35] <dwidmann> the grub-install command, fortunately, will take either
[11:36] <dwidmann> and all it does, juano, is install grub to that drive ...
[11:38] <genii> juano If it takes hda as an argument, yes, use that eg:  sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[11:39] <juano> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:39] <codyt> dethklok dethklok
[11:40] <dethklok> codyt codyt codyt codyt
[11:40] <codyt> william murderface murderface murderface
[11:40] <dethklok> woot!
[11:40] <HymnToLife> !fortune-mod
[11:40] <ubotu> fortune-mod: provides fortune cookies on demand. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.99.1-3 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 144 kB
[11:40] <genii> juano OK, do you have another machine you can connect to internet with as you work on the grub machine separately? This would be easier since it looks like a chroot to the old / is needed
[11:41] <HymnToLife> I usually use this when I'm bored :p
[11:41] <dethklok> does codyt want a banana sticker?
[11:41] <dethklok> lol
[11:41] <juano> genii: yes, i need to install mirc on it
[11:41] <juano> genii: just a sec
[11:41] <dethklok> !WoW
[11:41] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[11:42] <kubuntian> hellp
[11:42] <HymnToLife> genii, no chroot is needed to reinstall grub
[11:42] <HymnToLife> just use a Live CD
[11:42] <kubuntian> does somebody knows how to compose the http-get query in order to initialize gmail fields of compose message?
[11:42] <dethklok> !burning crusade
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burning crusade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:43] <kubuntian> !gmail
[11:43] <ubotu> gmail is a webmail service. For information on using it with Evolution see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingGmailWithEvolution
[11:43] <genii> juano You can exit the fdisk prompt back to regular command-line by "q" if you still have it open
[11:43] <juano> genii: yep already did
[11:43] <genii> juano OK good :)
[11:45] <kubuntian1> does somebody knows how to compose the http-get query in order to initialize gmail fields of compose message?
[11:45] <juano_> genii
[11:45] <juano_> genii im on other machine now
[11:45] <juano_> genii now what should i do for grub?
[11:45] <genii> juano OK. so do you have hdc1 mounted someplace?
[11:45] <juano_> genii yes on the other comp via live cd
[11:46] <juano_> genii i mounted it at /mnt/hdc1
[11:46] <dethklok> how can i make it so caps lock stays on?
[11:46] <genii> juano OK, good. So now: sudo chroot /mnt/hdc1
[11:46] <juano_> genii ok sec
[11:46] <juano_> genii ok ! im in
[11:47] <juano_> genii im in as root
[11:47] <dethklok> kubuntian, are you looking for a gmail invite?
[11:47] <genii> juano good :) Now do the grub command eg: grub-install /dev/hda
[11:47] <juano_> genii ok sec
[11:47] <dwidmann> kubuntian, I could have sworn I saw some interesting stuff related to http headers and the like here: /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/http_web_services/debugging.html
[11:48] <dwidmann> or somewhere near there, at any rate
[11:48] <juano_> genii not found or not a block device
[11:48] <dwidmann> ls -l /dev/hda?
[11:49] <juano_> dwidmann no such file or directory
[11:49] <juano_> dwidmann ??? wt...
[11:49] <genii> juano OK, the chroot /dev probably does not have it. So use the other syntax
[11:49] <dwidmann> guess grub-install wasn't lying afterall
[11:50] <genii> juano eg: grub-install (hd0)
[11:50] <dwidmann> I usually reinstall grub from a livecd, goes smooth then
[11:50] <juano_> genii ok
[11:51] <genii> juano Give me a minute and Ill make an appropriate commandline
[11:51] <genii> need to look up some switches etc
[11:51] <juano_> genii oik
[11:55] <akasico1>    	 	 	 	 	 	 		 	   Como puedo configurar la tecla de windows para que act&uacute;e como en el windows.
[11:55] <akasico1> :)
[11:57] <genii> juano Looking into it, seems that just simplest way first should beOK:      grub-install hd0
[11:58] <genii> Did you use the --root-directory=     on it before??
[11:58] <juano_> genii ok, let me check
[11:59] <genii> juano Because if you put previously --root-directory=    the place you put for that may be corrupted
[11:59] <juano_> genii /dev/hdc1: not found or not a block device
[11:59] <juano_> genii yes on the root directory
[12:00] <juano_> genii no no
[12:00] <genii> juano no, not hdc1     use exactly:     grub-install hd0          <--exactly like that
[12:00] <juano_> genii i di that already it returns THIS
[12:00] <juano_> genii /dev/hdc1: not found or not a block device
[12:00] <karmikaze> hey does anyone know if the photoviewer 'xv' is available on apt?
[12:00] <karmikaze> i dont see the package but maybe its combined with something else?
[12:01] <Jucato> !xv
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <Jucato> bah... hm..
[12:01] <karmikaze> yeah :P
[12:01] <genii> juano OK gimme aminute to think then
[12:01] <karmikaze> its my favourite just cos its really light weight, and simple
[12:01] <genii> Jucato still no joy on grub LOL
[12:01] <Jucato> genii: what seems to *really* be the problem?
[12:02] <karmikaze> maybe its xview?
[12:02] <Jucato> karmikaze: no xview here either... I do recall seeing something like that before.. let me check
[12:02] <karmikaze> ty
[12:04] <genii> juano OK, we will try to make it put a /dev entry then. do:  sudo /etc/init.d/udev start
[12:05] <juano_> genii ok
[12:06] <genii> Jucato He is chroot currently to hdc1 under /mnt/hdc1 from livecd. So grub-install groans of no dev entry for hdc and so on
[12:06] <dwidmann> if you do it straight from the livecd though (not in chroot), what does grub-install say then?
[12:06] <kkosmo> somone know how i can record audio from radio
[12:06] <kkosmo> or
[12:06] <kkosmo> or
[12:06] <kkosmo> somthing like that
[12:07] <kkosmo> ?
[12:07] <Jucato> karmikaze: sorry I couldn't remember what the package name was..
[12:07] <karmikaze> its ok, im looking for a .deb now. i see their source if i really want
[12:07] <karmikaze> man their website is fuuuuuuugly
[12:07] <karmikaze> lol
[12:07] <genii> dwidmann It gave some other similar weird error
[12:07] <karmikaze> so 1993...
[12:08] <Kyoden> hello
[12:08] <karmikaze> hi
[12:08] <juano_> dwidmann one sec
[12:09] <juano_> dwidmann it sais : could not find device for /boot, not found or not a block device
[12:09] <genii> juano_ Did the udev command complete OK?
[12:09] <juano_> dwidmann thats if i do grub-install /dev/hda
[12:09] <Jucato> karmikaze: why do you need xv, btw?
[12:10] <karmikaze> i just want a simple image viewer
[12:10] <karmikaze> that i can launch from commandline
[12:10] <Jucato> karmikaze: there's also something called xzgv, which is a command line image viewer
[12:10] <karmikaze> ok cool i'll try that one
[12:10] <Jucato> !xzgv
[12:10] <ubotu> xzgv: Picture viewer for X with a thumbnail-based selector. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-5.1 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 548 kB
[12:10] <genii> Bleh I just remembered need to put from livecd the stupid switch then as --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot
[12:10] <karmikaze> cool
[12:11] <juano_> genii yes, but nothing happens
[12:11] <juano_> genii whats that?
[12:11] <genii> juano_ OK, now does:   ls /dev/hdc?    produce a result?
[12:12] <juano_> genii under chroot no , it sais no such file or directory, from livecd terminal its there inside /dev yes
[12:13] <juano_> genii whats this --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot ?
[12:13] <sleepy745> !svn
[12:13] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[12:13] <genii> juano_ OK it seems the chroot cannot properly run the udev then since inside another instance. So exit the chroot and go back to regular livecd command-line by typeing "exit"
[12:13] <juano_> genii ok i did that
[12:14] <genii> juano_ The next thing to try is from livecd:      sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1/boot /dev/hda
[12:14] <juano_> genii ok let me check
[12:15] <flaccid> Jucato:
[12:15] <flaccid> calling Jucato
[12:15] <Jucato> flaccid: yes?
[12:15] <flaccid> g'day mate
[12:15] <Jucato> good day to you too
[12:15] <flaccid> just wondering if i could bother you for those style settings of edgy
[12:16] <flaccid> for my freebsd desktop:
[12:16] <flaccid> i can't get it to look right
[12:16] <juano_> genii it sais : cannot create a directory /dev/hdc1/boot/boot Not a directory
[12:17] <Jucato> flaccid: what specifics do you need?
[12:17] <juano_> genii should it be --root-directory=/mnt/hdc1 ?
[12:17] <genii> juano_ not /DEV/hdc1           /mnt/hdc1
[12:17] <matt0507> hi, im trying to copy a folder to /usr/ as root, how do i do that? kept gettign permission denied >,<
[12:17] <flaccid> window decoration and colour
[12:17] <flaccid> basically confirm all of the appearance settings if possible for kcontrol
[12:17] <flaccid> maybe qt is my problem
[12:18] <flaccid> like which widget style?
[12:18] <Jucato> flaccid: windeco is Crystal using Kubuntu buttons, but those buttons are not available upstream, afaik
[12:18] <juano_> genii ahh, it installed now
[12:18] <Jucato> flaccid: widget style is Plastik. color, is a customized Kubuntu purple color
[12:18] <juano_> genii it sais that it installed successfully , no errors reported and throwed me 3 lines
[12:18] <dwidmann> I thought the widget style was lipstik, maybe it was and isn't now ... I can't remember
[12:18] <flaccid> Jucato: ok 1 sec jucy
[12:18] <genii> juano_ OK, so since we fixed the grub menu.lst previously hopefullynow should boot OK
[12:19] <juano_> genii should i try a reboot now?
[12:19] <genii> juano_ Yes please :)
[12:19] <juano_> genii ok, be right back
[12:19] <flaccid> jucy just going to install latest crystal and go from there :)
[12:20] <flaccid> i'll get back to ya in 5
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: ok. I have to go
[12:20] <flaccid> npz thanks mate
[12:20] <flaccid> you aint got that hex for the title bar ?
[12:20] <flaccid> the purple
[12:20] <flaccid> hehe
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: um nope
[12:20] <Jucato> hm..
[12:20] <Jucato> flaccid: hold on a sec
[12:21] <posingaspopular> genii: good call, im  about to get one myself
[12:21] <juano_> genii ok , i got into grub menu, i can boot into windows ok from grub :P thats a good sign, but when i try to boot into ubuntu it tells me cant mount partition
[12:21] <genii> posingaspopular LOL
[12:21] <dwidmann> #6569AE
[12:22] <genii> juano_ Yes, I anticipated this. I know what the issue is now.
[12:22] <juano_> genii whats wrong now with the ubuntu partition?
[12:22] <dwidmann> flaccid: #6569AE
[12:22] <flaccid> cheers dwidmann :)
[12:22] <genii> juano_ Short explanation: running grub previously on (hd2,0) messed it up
[12:22] <flaccid> heh i have to download crystal
[12:23] <genii> juano_ But i know how to fix it
[12:23] <juano_> genii ok
[12:23] <juano_> genii how can we fix this
[12:23] <Jucato> flaccid: http://jucato.org/stuff/kubuntu-colors.kcsrc or http://jucato.org/stuff/kubuntuColours.kcsrc
[12:23] <genii> juano_ So back to livecd. Then we repair the partition type
[12:24] <juano_> genii ok sec
[12:24] <Jucato> flaccid: you know how to import/add KDE color schemes right?
[12:24] <flaccid> not really
[12:25] <flaccid> hehe
[12:25] <Jucato> !changethemes | flaccid
[12:25] <ubotu> flaccid: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:25] <flaccid> should it be there crystal clear theme?
[12:25] <flaccid> hehe this is for the freebsd :)
[12:25] <Jucato> flaccid: what crystal clear theme? that's an icon theme
[12:25] <flaccid> hmm
[12:25] <genii> juano_ We will need to discover if you used LVM when you installed. The extended partition... did you have this mounted before when it booted to ubuntu on that drive?
[12:25] <flaccid> hmm
[12:25] <flaccid> well kde install ddidn't come with crystal window deco
[12:26] <genii> eg: mounted as /home or something like that
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: crystal window decoration
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: of course not
[12:26] <juano_> genii mmm no , i think not
[12:26] <juano_> genii i only mounted hdc1
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: Crystal is not the standard KDE window decoration, nor does KDE officially ship with it
[12:26] <juano_> genii hdc2 is the extended partition
[12:26] <Jucato> flaccid: http://docs.kde.org/userguide/colors.html to add color schemes so you can use Kubuntu Edgy's color scheme
[12:26] <Jucato> anyway, gotta run
[12:26] <matt0507> hi, i need to move a folder to /usr/ but it requires root access, how do i enable/log in as root in order to do so?
[12:26] <flaccid> i got the wrong one but sweet
[12:27] <flaccid> thansk mate
[12:27] <genii> juano_ OK. We will try to find a hint of the install type of either lvm or not by looking at that partition first.
[12:27] <juano_> genii can this be fixed?
[12:27] <genii> juano Let me know when you are ready to continue, I will have a cigarette and some coffee
[12:27] <juano_> genii im ready
[12:27] <genii> juano_ Yes, it can be fixed :)
[12:28] <juano_> genii it booted already
[12:28] <genii> juano_ OK. So to command-line and then to run fdisk for the extended partion of hdc. I think it was hdc5  but not certain
[12:29] <juano_> genii hdc2 actually
[12:29] <genii> juano_ Ok, so then:   sudo fdisk /dev/hdc2
[12:29] <genii> juano_ Then "p" command to fdisk to see what the partition type is
[12:30] <genii> should be either: lvm   or linux
[12:30] <juano_> genii unable to read /dev/hdc2
[12:31] <genii> juano_ Did you use sudo and full path: eg, exactly as above:           sudo fdisk /dev/hdc2
[12:31] <juano_> genii let me re-check
[12:31] <juano_> genii yes, same return
[12:32] <genii> juano_ OK, then we shall try the main drive then. Put:   sudo fdisk /dev/hdc
[12:32] <juano_> genii i did ls -l /dev/hdc2 and it shows, its there yes
[12:33] <juano_> genii oh yes that worked, i did print
[12:33] <genii> It may be that hdc2 was left empty and not given a type or formatted and so on.
[12:33] <juano_> genii it sais in /dev/hdc2 filesystem WIN95 LBA
[12:33] <genii> juano_ OK, for hdc1 what does it say?
[12:34] <juano_> it sais Linux
[12:34] <juano_> genii and for hdc5 it sais Linux swap
[12:34] <juano_> thats in print in the column system
[12:35] <guglielf> well, more firefox related than kubuntu... however i just ask: does anyone know how to put bookmarks and history buttons on the firefox toolbar? tnx :)
[12:35] <juano_> genii is this bad?
[12:35] <genii> juano_ OK good. The hdc1 type looks proper tho, so may be a different problem than I thought at first. Give me a moment to think
[12:36] <genii> juano_ Please pastebin the contents of the files:  /mnt/hdc1/boot/grub/menu.lst and /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab
[12:37] <juano_> genii ok jusrt a sec
[12:39] <juano_> genii no /grub dir in /mnt/hdc1/boot
[12:40] <dwidmann> ooh, this isn't half bad: http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=52057&id=1
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: right click on the toolbar then click on customize,  just drag and drop the bookmark and history icon to the toolbar
[12:41] <genii> juano_ Please pastebin results of the command:   ls -ld /mnt/hdc1/boot/*
[12:42] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: mmm did not find it, re-checking now. Tnx anyway :)
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: its a standard feature in firefox
[12:44] <genii> guglielf Make sure you are on the top of the window on far right open space of bar to right-click
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: ie dont click on an icon, pick a blank spot at the bottom or top
[12:45] <genii> yes, exactly so
[12:46] <juano> genii:
[12:46] <genii> juano_ I need to go make coffee for my roommate who is waking in 5 minutes. I will be back in a minute
[12:46] <juano> genii: sorry just a sec
[12:46] <juano> genii:  ok
[12:46] <guglielf> genii, Linux_Galore: right, i knew that. apparently they disappeared from the toolbar customisation dialog O.O
[12:46] <guglielf> tnx both of you
[12:47] <dethklok> mmkay, im out
[12:47] <dethklok> tt u all later
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: yeah. theres a tricdk for putting them back, I did tha same thing once
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: click on "restore default set"
[12:48] <guglielf> uhm, maybe ;)
[12:49] <genii> juano I am back :) Was there any contents in the directory /mnt/hdc1/boot        ?
[12:50] <juano> genii:
[12:50] <juano> genii:  sorry im so stupid i was searching in boot from live cd
[12:50] <juano> genii: heres my menu.lst http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2855/
[12:50] <genii> LOL OK back in a moment then
[12:50] <juano> genii:  lol
[12:51] <juano_> its mounted at hd1,1
[12:51] <juano_> now
[12:51] <JanusDC> Hello
[12:51] <juano_> genii should it be hd1,0 ? since its hdc1 not hdc2
[12:51] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: default set restored: didn't work, no bkmks and history icons there
[12:52] <JanusDC> Any body know how can I edit a .deb package? (I need edit the control archive)
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: always google  or ask in the #mozilla #firefox channels
[12:52] <genii> juano_ No, the grub-install should have properly decided what (hd#,#) but it looks very odd. Can you pastebin please now:  /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab
[12:53] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: k, thank you mate :)
[12:53] <genii> juano
[12:53] <genii> bleh
[12:53] <genii> juano_ We will first see if the / is being mounted right there properly in fstab before changing the grub file
[12:53] <juano> genii:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2856/
[12:54] <JanusDC> Please help me. How can I edit a package?
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: you do realise ctrl h  and ctrl b  does the same job
[12:54] <Aurvandill> Can someone help me with envy? I just get a black screen after the menu...
[12:55] <genii> juano_ Yes, your fstab is corrupted. I will write you a new one and pastebin it for you to copy over
[12:55] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, "edit a package" ?
[12:55] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: yep :)
[12:55] <juano> genii: really? at what line genii?
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> guglielf: why you would need an icons beats me, thats just slow
[12:56] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, Yes, I need to open a .deb package and edit the Control file (the file that have the dependencies of the package)
[12:56] <genii> juano All those parts which say stuff like UUID are some weird garbage that is not supposed to be there
[12:56] <guglielf> Linux_Galore: cause i love clicking everywhere, uh lol
[12:56] <genii> I've seen this one time before
[12:56] <juano> genii:  are you sure???
[12:56] <genii> juano Yes, I'm very sure
[12:56] <juano> genii:  ok :-)
[12:57] <matt0507> hi, how do i move a folder to /usr/ as root?
[12:57] <dwidmann> !sudo
[12:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> matt0507:   sudo  mv  folder  /usr
[12:58] <matt0507> ty :)
[12:58] <juano> genii: when everything was working before i had those UUID entries, thats why im asking
[01:00] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, my problem is this: I downloaded a debian package that depends of some library. That library have other name in Ubuntu. I could install the package with --force, but apt tell me that I have a package that need dependences each time that I use apt.
[01:00] <dhq> my mplayer doesnt work when i run mlplayer all i can see is a blue screen
[01:01] <genii> juano http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2857/     Replace the contents of current file /mnt/hdc1/etc/fstab with this
[01:01] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, if I were you, I'd install my thing otherwise
[01:01] <HymnToLife> what app is it ?
[01:01] <JanusDC> prozgui
[01:02] <juano> genii: should i do cp fstab fstab.bak just in case?
[01:02] <genii> juano Sure, this is a good idea
[01:03] <juano> genii: ok done
[01:04] <JanusDC> HymnToLife, All that I need is to edit the package's dependences. Who is the genius that change the name of a library?? :\
[01:04] <juano> genii: reboot ?? lol
[01:04] <genii> juano The file is changed?
[01:04] <genii> if so, then yes try a reboot
[01:04] <juano> genii: yes, i replaces fstab contents for your fstab contents
[01:04] <juano> genii: wish me luck
[01:04] <juano> genii: lol
[01:04] <genii> juano break a leg :)
[01:05] <juano> genii: brb!
[01:05] <codyt> I'm trying to set up a basic network with two computers, allowing the other computer to connect to the internet thru this computer, but I'm on dial up and I don't know what the default gateway for device ppp0 should be
[01:05] <genii> On the client?
[01:05] <codyt> on this box.
[01:06] <codyt> The default gateway IP for the connecting box, rather.
[01:06] <juano_> genii
[01:07] <juano_> genii error 17 cannot mount selected partition
[01:07] <juano_> genii mm... should i try changing hd1,1 for hd1,0 in menu.lst?
[01:07] <genii> juano_ OK, so back to livecd where we alter the grub file one more time
[01:07] <genii> juano_ Yes, excatly so
[01:07] <genii> exactly, even
[01:08] <juano_> genii ok, i hope that works... i had lots of stuff in that partition
[01:08] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Ok, thanks. I'll continue with my friend: Google :P Bye
[01:09] <JanusDC> \quit
[01:10] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, was about to tell you how to fix this but I gues I'll let you /quit and use your friend Google...
[01:10] <genii> codyt Does the box which is connecting by modem have another IP which is on the eth0 interface?
[01:10] <juano_> genii i think its pretty logical, cause if hdc1 is the first partition it should be 0 not 1
[01:10] <codyt> genii, yes.
[01:10] <genii> codyt You could try to put that as the gateway on the client machine
[01:11] <codyt> no no, I don't know what to put as the gateway on *this* machine.
[01:11] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Hehe, I can wait :D
[01:11] <codyt> It keeps refusing to save my settings, because 0.0.0.0 is an invalid IP for the default gateway.
[01:12] <matt0507> yay guys finally copied my new KDM theme over to /usr/ thanks Linux_Galore and sudo!
[01:12] <genii> codyt Obviously it already knows what to use as the default gateway since it is connecting successfully to the internet
[01:12] <codyt> This computer just connects through the modem.
[01:12] <juano_> genii ok im ready
[01:13] <codyt> But it's still requiring me to put in a default gateway.
[01:13] <codyt> Won't save with 0.0.0.0 as the default gateway.
[01:13] <juano_> genii im in menu.lst, should i try changing root (hd1,1) for root (hd1,0) ??
[01:13] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Google don't love me any more.
[01:13] <genii> codyt When I say "client machine" I mean the machine you have connected by ethernet card to the machine which is using the modem to reach the internet
[01:13] <codyt> I know exactly what you mean.
[01:13] <codyt> You're not understanding me, I guess.
[01:14] <genii> juano_ Yes
[01:14] <juano_> genii ok
[01:14] <juano_> genii then reboot?
[01:14] <genii> juano_ Yes, and then we will know
[01:14] <juano_> genii ok
[01:15] <genii> codyt By default gateway then you mean the default gateway for the interface eth0 on the machine with the modem?
[01:15] <codyt> on the machine with the modem.  The KDE configure thing requires me to put one in.
[01:15] <codyt> or else it refuses to save the configuration.
[01:16] <juano_> genii YEEEESSSSSSSS!
[01:16] <juano_> genii it worked... i cant believe it
[01:17] <genii> codyt You should not need to alter any ppp0 settings. This should be getting autoassigned by your isp and so on. Since the ip and gateway and so on will change every time you dial in for instance there will be no set gateway and so on
[01:17] <genii> juano_ :)
[01:17] <juano_> genii im back in the kubuntu box!! man thanks for your help!
[01:17] <codyt> then this configuration tool is retarded.
[01:17] <juano_> genii thanks very much!
[01:17] <codyt> I can't *not* set it.
[01:17] <genii> juano_ Well it took a while but you are welcome
[01:18] <juano_> genii lol, yeah.. thanks a lot
[01:18] <codyt> Would it have any adverse effects to set it as 127.0.1.1?
[01:18] <genii> codyt Yes, you will be in a loopback hyell
[01:18] <genii> hell even
[01:18] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: I tried with mc that allow me to read into the package .deb, but it don't allow me to modify anything.
[01:18] <codyt> Ah.
[01:19] <codyt> Figured as much.
[01:19] <codyt> I sorta am atm anyways.
[01:19] <juano> genii: your a master
[01:19] <codyt> Every time I start up, I have to take down the eth0 device, or else no data will be sent/rec from the modem.
[01:19] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, you need to extract it all, modify what you want and rebuild the package
[01:19] <genii> juano I had to deal with this grub stuff before so luckily I knew we could bring it back
[01:20] <genii> Jucato Praise from the master LOL
[01:20] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: Yes, I know... but How?
[01:20] <juano> genii: yes.. phew.. i thought it wouldnt work
[01:20] <juano> lol
[01:20] <matt0507> Linux_Galore: are you there? i got a question about using sudo
[01:20] <juano> that was the last hope...
[01:21] <genii> codyt There is a setting in the text file for ppp which can be done which will let you not have to do the eth0 stop/start stuff. eth0 pre-empting the gateway is pretty common prob
[01:21] <HymnToLife> JanusDC, dpkg -b ftw
[01:22] <genii> codyt If you give me a minute I'll look it up
[01:22] <codyt> if I bring eth0, then reconnect to the internet, it won't send or recieve packages (it will connect, though).
[01:22] <codyt> Sounds like the same problem?
[01:22] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: thank! I'm trying
[01:24] <genii> codyt Yes, this is the exact issue I mean. The eth0 gateway does not get changed to the ppp0 gateway when dialling in and so on.
[01:24] <codyt> okay.
[01:24] <genii> I think it's something like "remoteauth=no" or somesuch but looking it up just now
[01:26] <xtoxico> !dri
[01:26] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[01:26] <xtoxico> !ati
[01:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:28] <codyt> Really, I'm not sure if the network even works when eth0 is up.
[01:28] <codyt> Don't have everything set up properly..
[01:28] <genii> bah hard to find that exact info atm but I had to do this before because eth0 comes up before ppp0 and hogs the default gateway
[01:28] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!! It works!!!
[01:28] <xtoxico> vmware!
[01:28] <xtoxico> !vmware
[01:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). Instructions for VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[01:29] <Jucato> !botabuse | xtoxico
[01:29] <ubotu> xtoxico: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[01:32] <xtoxico> sorry
[01:32] <eeos> hi everybody!
[01:32] <genii> codyt Check the file /etc/wvdial.conf for a line reading:  replacedefaultroute
[01:32] <genii> !botsnack
[01:32] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:33] <codyt> nope.
[01:33] <codyt> not there.
[01:33] <genii> codyt OK, put it in then
[01:33] <codyt> Not much in it, really.
[01:33] <codyt> No phone # or anything in it.
[01:33] <genii> really??
[01:33] <codyt> Yeah.
[01:33] <codyt> I think KPPP stores that.
[01:34] <genii> I'm pretty sure it still has wvdial as backend tho
[01:34] <codyt> Should that be replacedefaultroute = yes, or anything?
[01:34] <matt0507> what will be deleted if i typ this sudo command? sudo rm -rf?
[01:35] <genii> codyt First see if a local wvdial exists, in ~ someplace
[01:35] <Jucato> matt0507: just plain "sudo rm -rf"? nothing. unless you put something after that... and depends on where you type it
[01:35] <genii> codyt If yu need to insert the line it's just replacedefaultroute    with no options
[01:35] <Jucato> matt0507: NEVER do "sudo rm -rf /" as in NEVER!
[01:36] <JanusDC> HymnToLife: bye, and thanks again. See you
[01:36] <matt0507> Jucato: so if i type sudo rm -rf folder1/folder2/folder3 all 3 folders will be deleted with no confirmations?
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: no
[01:37] <genii> codyt So what effectively happens is eth0 is defaultroute then when modem connects it switches automagically
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: it will try to remove folder3, which is in folder2, which is in folder1
[01:37] <Jucato> matt0507: only folder3 will be removed (afaik)
[01:38] <matt0507> Jucato:  ok cool, instead of -f i just put -i, that'll ask before each file is deleted,
[01:38] <Jucato> matt0507: yes. every file, and every file in every folder in folder3
[01:39] <posingaspopular> help: firefox won't open right
[01:39] <posingaspopular> it says to close the process before starting again
[01:40] <matt0507> Jucato: cool, i'll just make sure to not delete / folder :p
[01:40] <praetor> pkill firefox?
[01:40] <Jucato> matt0507: why do you need sudo for it?
[01:40] <genii> codyt Do you have a file /etc/ppp/peers/wvdial  ?
[01:41] <posingaspopular> praetor: didn't do anything
[01:41] <codyt> I'l check
[01:41] <matt0507> Jucato: i was trying to copy kdm theme to /usr folder so i had to learn alll the sudo cp/mv command >,< can not do in konqueror because it require root
[01:42] <Jucato> matt0507: "kdesu konqueror"
[01:42] <Jucato> !changethemes | matt0507
[01:42] <ubotu> matt0507: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[01:42] <Jucato> matt0507: go to the section about KDM Themes there
[01:42] <Jucato> *KDM Themes* not KDE Themes. ok? :)
[01:42] <codyt> genii, yes.
[01:43] <genii> codyt In there does it have the actual connect info like phone
[01:43] <codyt> nope.
[01:44] <matt0507> Jucato: sure thanks, is kdesu konqueror just giving a temp root access will reset back to normal privilage at next log on?
[01:44] <codyt> "noath" line2: "name wvdial" line3: "usepeerdns"
[01:44] <codyt> and that's all.
[01:44] <Jucato> matt0507: it's temporary, like launching/running an app as root. once you close the app, you won't have root access anymore
[01:45] <matt0507> Jucato: ok thanks, that make things easier for me to extract new themes to the correct folder. been messing with sudo all night >,<
[01:45] <genii> codyt OK, add the "replacedefaultroute" into there instead of the /etc/wvdial file. I'm pretty sure it's the global which will override user-specific stuff where phone # and so on is
[01:46] <codyt> okay.
[01:46] <Jucato> matt0507: want to make it extra-extra easier? install "kdmtheme"
[01:46] <Jucato> matt0507: and follow the guide above
[01:46] <uwer> uwe,
[01:47] <Lord_Flasheart> guys, i have been having issues with getting fakeraid working on edgy, and so am trying feisty herd 2
[01:47] <matt0507> Jucato: thanks again, will give it a try :)
[01:47] <Lord_Flasheart> does anyone know what kernel version is in feisty herd 2?
[01:47] <uwer> uwe, sorry, bye bye
[01:48] <genii> codyt So the idea is then: See if you can boot with eth0 default gateway and so on then dial in and see if it connects with the gateway auto-swapping to the ppp. Without juggling disabling eth0 and so forth
[01:48] <Lord_Flasheart> also, is it possible to upgrade continuously from herd2 through to the final release through apt?
[01:48] <Chasta> hello
[01:48] <exar> hello
[01:48] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: 2.6.20
[01:48] <codyt> 'kay.
[01:48] <Chasta> something terrible happned
[01:48] <Chasta> I installed windows
[01:48] <Chasta> and grub wanished..
[01:48] <Chasta> how can I reinstall it
[01:48] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: and yes, you can upgrade continuously from herd2 to final
[01:48] <HymnToLife> !grub | Chasta
[01:48] <ubotu> Chasta: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:49] <Jucato> bah, beat me to it
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: that's awesome dude, thanks for the info, you are a legend!
[01:49] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: just take note that feisty is still not in a stable state
[01:49] <snowrichard> http://schizophrenicprogrammer.info
[01:49] <Jucato> me? a legend? am I *that* old?!?
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: i know, i am living life on the edge
[01:49] <genii> codyt Then after you statically assign eth0 same range both boxes and use modem box eth0 ip for gateway of machine without modem
[01:49] <snowrichard> does this page work for you? thanks in advance
[01:49] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: well, more edgy than edgy eft anyway
[01:50] <Lord_Flasheart> Jucato: if such a thing is possible
[01:50] <Jucato> Lord_Flasheart: hehe ok. good luck. and drop by #ubuntu+1 for your feisty problems :)
[01:50] <Jucato> of course it is possible... edgier than edgy = feisty herd2 :)
[01:50] <codyt> still worked after just reconnecting.
[01:50] <codyt> I'll try rebooting later.
[01:50] <codyt> Too much open.
[01:51] <genii> codyt OK, so successfully switched gateway?
[01:51] <fantoni> hello
[01:51] <codyt> Seems so.
[01:51] <fantoni> How can I add a directory in group of users?
[01:52] <codyt> is there a way to ping the router?
[01:52] <Gimmy> who have kubuntu with beryl and help me?
[01:52] <genii> codyt You mean ping the internet ip of modem computer from satellite computer?
[01:53] <codyt> I mean ping the router between this computer and the one sitting next to me.
[01:53] <flaccid> http://dnsstuff.com ?
[01:53] <flaccid> ping ip
[01:53] <Tm_T> !beryl | Gimmy
[01:53] <ubotu> Gimmy: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:53] <codyt> like, would the router have a default IP?
[01:53] <flaccid> codyt: usually. consult your router manual.
[01:54] <genii> codyt If it works in the usual manner, the router ip would be something like 192.168.0.1 or similar
[01:54] <flaccid> or if you connect to it already perhaps get the ip from arp -a
[01:54] <codyt> Router was given to me, no manual.
[01:54] <flaccid> codyt: vendor website
[01:54] <genii> codyt When you do "ifconfig" what IP does it say for eth0 ?
[01:55] <codyt> inet addr:192.168.2.100  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
[01:55] <exar> hello all its m first install of ubuntu :) and i m verry hapy sorry for m inglish i m french but its verry great ful ubuntu
[01:55] <Aurvandill> Do KDE have a something similar to Windows' ctrl+alt+del when stuff crash? (like Beryl :P )
[01:55] <Jucato> Aurvandill: Ctrl+Esc by default
[01:56] <Jucato> not sure if Beryl affects that
[01:56] <Chasta> what means: to preserve
[01:56] <flaccid> codyt: most likely 192.168.2.1 . see arp -a
[01:56] <Jucato> so you might have to ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:56] <genii> codyt OK, it will be easier if you just hook the 2 systems straight to each other with a crossover cable instead of going thru the router. It will want to be the default gateway all the time
[01:56] <Aurvandill> Jucato, okay, thanks
[01:56] <flaccid> genii: thats a negative
[01:56] <codyt> not sure if I have a crossover cable
[01:56] <codyt> Doubt I have access to buy one.
[01:56] <flaccid> ignore one
[01:56] <flaccid> ignore that
[01:56] <flaccid> you don't need a crossover
[01:56] <flaccid> its the same as plugging in
[01:57] <Aurvandill> Jucato, I'm not using XGL though
[01:57] <codyt> Windows doesn't recognize a connection at all when I directly linked the two computers.
[01:57] <Jucato> !beryl | Aurvandill
[01:57] <ubotu> Aurvandill: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:57] <Jucato> Aurvandill: #ubuntu-xgl is the home of it all
[01:57] <codyt> But, it does recognize that there is a connection when I connected it to the router.
[01:57] <genii> flaccid Usually most routers will put their own IP as default gateway when they assign IP. So he will need to make routes and so forth then
[01:58] <flaccid> no he won't
[01:58] <Aurvandill> Jucato, Ah, okay.
[01:58] <flaccid> dhcp assigns gateway
[01:58] <flaccid> you don't need to make any routes
[01:58] <flaccid> codyt: is the router providing dhcp
[01:58] <codyt> the IP address you said it would most likely be worked.
[01:59] <codyt> flaccid, I think sol
[01:59] <xtoxico> !wish
[01:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wish - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:59] <flaccid> codyt: netgear?
[01:59] <genii> codyt Can you ping the ip of the modem box now from the satellite box?
[02:00] <flaccid> genii: what if the router has icmp echo turned off?
[02:00] <codyt> Doubt it.
[02:00] <genii> flaccid I imagine ping times out in that scenario
[02:00] <flaccid> codyt: did you try arp -a
[02:00] <flaccid> usually unless its filtered
[02:01] <codyt> "destination host unreachable"
[02:01] <Gimmy> my keymap is english for default
[02:01] <codyt> flaccid, apr -a failed.
[02:01] <flaccid> what was the error?
[02:01] <Gimmy> setxkbmap -layout it
[02:01] <genii> codyt You may be able to access the configuration page of the router by using your web browser and point it to 192.168.2.1
[02:01] <Gimmy> i use this command for change it in italian
[02:01] <codyt> hrm.
[02:01] <codyt> actually, it didn't fail this time.
[02:02] <flaccid> kubuntu comes with arp? sorry i'm on freebsd atm
[02:02] <Gimmy> but i must type the command everytime
[02:02] <Gimmy> how i can change forever the keymap?
[02:02] <codyt> oh\
[02:02] <codyt> it's prompting for a password... that I don't have..
[02:03] <codyt> flaccid, I ran the arp command again, and it works.
[02:03] <codyt> ? (192.168.2.1) at 00:04:E2:49:E0:FE [ether]  on eth0
[02:03] <genii> codyt try usual default of no username and password of admin    or user admin  no password of combos of these
[02:03] <HymnToLife> codyt, that usually means you shouldn't do what you are trying to do :p
[02:03] <codyt> HymnToLife, not in this case.  It's my router.
[02:04] <codyt> Wrong Password!!
[02:04] <flaccid> codyt: there you go
[02:04] <codyt> haha
[02:04] <flaccid> so have you downloaded the manual yet, codyt
[02:05] <codyt> nope.
[02:05] <codyt> Hrm.
[02:05] <genii> codyt LOL well, if you find the user manual it should tell you the default user/pass then you can reset it usually with paperclip to the little hole in back and login after
[02:05] <codyt> If I reset the router, will it reset the password?
[02:05] <genii> yes
[02:05] <codyt> 'kay.
[02:05] <flaccid> to default password
[02:05] <flaccid> which you don't know
[02:06] <genii> codyt Whats the router make/model?
[02:06] <codyt> gur.
[02:06] <codyt> would you try smc.com and tell me if it works for you?
[02:06] <genii> gur?
[02:07] <codyt> SMC7004VBR
[02:07] <genii> no, smc.com is offline
[02:07] <flaccid> whats this got to do with anything
[02:07] <codyt> SMC is the company.
[02:07] <flaccid> company of what
[02:08] <codyt> that makes the router.
[02:08] <flaccid> oh ok
[02:08] <flaccid> np
[02:08] <codyt> SMC barricade.
[02:08] <flaccid> cheap shit they are. but some stuff is ok
[02:08] <genii> Well, whether he needs to mess with router settings or not having access to it is useful regardless
[02:08] <flaccid> like NICs
[02:08] <snowrichard> Server Error
[02:08] <snowrichard> The server encountered an internal error and was unable to complete your request.
[02:08] <snowrichard> JRun closed connection.
[02:08] <codyt> yep
[02:09] <flaccid> its actually ERROR 503: Server Error.
[02:09] <flaccid> idiots
[02:09] <flaccid> wonder how long they be down
[02:09] <snowrichard> probably iis
[02:10] <genii> smcadmin is the default password. No username
[02:10] <genii> (this from dslreports.com)
[02:10] <flaccid> yeah jrun goes on iis
[02:11] <genii> iis=crapola supreme they need to run apache
[02:11] <snowrichard> I heart my apache :)
[02:11] <snowrichard> should get a bumper sticker Lol
[02:12] <codyt> isn't a username input field, and thank you.
[02:13] <genii> codyt The useful feature in there if it has it would be to assign always the same IP to certain mac addreeses so less mucking with individual machine's network files and so on
[02:14] <flaccid> "static dhcp"
[02:14] <genii> they just always are dhcp but receive effectively static IPs and so on
[02:14] <codyt> meh.
[02:15] <genii> flaccid Yes, exactly
[02:15] <codyt> Now the lights are blinking.. and it's not letting me do anyting.
[02:15] <codyt> oh
[02:15] <flaccid> sounds like fun
[02:15] <codyt> I guess it just took forever.
[02:15] <snowrichard> sit back and watch das blinkenlights
[02:16] <genii> LOL vas is das? Der blinkenlumens!
[02:16] <snowrichard> der komputer is not for mittengrabben
[02:16] <codyt> wrong password, still.
[02:17] <flaccid> was ist mittengrabben?
[02:18] <snowrichard> it was a joke sign I had once
[02:18] <flaccid> ok i don't know what it means in german
[02:18] <snowrichard> I really don't speak any german
[02:19] <flaccid> ah ok
[02:19] <flaccid> hehe
[02:19] <genii> codyt http://www.dslreports.com/faq/2165 has all default passwords for that series. It could be one of the alternates. Or perhaps you need to do the paperclip trick first to factory-default the thing
[02:20] <genii> codyt Do you currently have the satellite box powered up and so on?
[02:21] <bXi> there seems to be a shortcut to start konsole
[02:21] <bXi> does anybody know what it is?
[02:21] <Jucato> bXi: you can make it whatever you want
[02:21] <Jucato> right-click on the Konsole entry in K Menu and select Edit this item
[02:21] <bXi> i'm constantly hitting it without knowing
[02:22] <Jucato> konsole?
[02:22] <codyt> genii, I do
[02:22] <Jucato> bXi: when you are in Konqueror?
[02:22] <bXi> dont know
[02:22] <codyt> and, I guess I didn't reset it, because I reset it again and logged in with no password.
[02:22] <codyt> Playing with configurations, now.
[02:22] <bXi> i always see i have multple konsoles open after a little while
[02:22] <genii> bXi konsole is an interface to the command-line , sort of like on old windoze using a dos box
[02:23] <bXi> genii: i know what a konsole is
[02:23] <Jucato> bXi: in Konqueror, when you press F4, Konsole is run from the current location/folder
[02:23] <Jucato> that's probably it
[02:23] <bXi> sounds very likely yeah
[02:24] <bXi> any other posibilties?
[02:24] <genii> bXi Your question was a bit ambiguous as to whether you wanted to know what the shortcut was or the application :)
[02:24] <bXi> like in krusader?
[02:24] <Jucato> bXi: if that's the case, the setting for it is in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[02:24] <dima2001> is it possible to add a mounted ubuntu iso as a deb source (to update from 6.10 to feisty)?
[02:24] <Jucato> bXi: not really sure. I'm not familiar with how krusader works.
[02:24] <flaccid> krusader rox
[02:24] <HymnToLife> dima2001, yed
[02:24] <HymnToLife> yes*
[02:24] <flaccid> hehe
[02:24] <flaccid> i'm drinking becks
[02:24] <flaccid> is nice
[02:24] <Jucato> dima2001: only if that ISO is the Alternate Install CD ISO
[02:25] <HymnToLife> do sudo apt-cdrom add
[02:25] <dima2001> I got the alternate CD iso right now looped as /media/feisty
[02:25] <HymnToLife> and instead of inserting the CD, mount your ISO to /cdrom
[02:25] <bXi> genii: 90% of my work happens from konsole :D
[02:25] <dima2001> ah, trying, thank you
[02:25] <genii> bXi :)
[02:25] <flaccid> konsole also rox
[02:26] <flaccid> i guess i have open konversation, firefox, opera, konsole, kopete, smb4k, kmix, kwallet, kclip, kweather
[02:26] <grmbl> hi
[02:26] <flaccid> and amarok
[02:26] <genii> codyt OK, so a simple test to try: on modem box, get ppp0 ip from result of "ifconfig" then try to ping that ip from the satellite box
[02:26] <HymnToLife> flaccid, you beat me to it :p
[02:26] <flaccid> hehe
[02:26] <grmbl> how do i disable the splash screen at boot time?
[02:26] <bXi> even worse
[02:26] <flaccid> interesting peoples choice of aps
[02:26] <HymnToLife> I have Konsole, Kmail, Kopete, Firefox, Konqueror, Xchat, KTorrent
[02:27] <flaccid> ouch xchat a bit dirty
[02:27] <flaccid> but good otherwise :)
[02:27] <flaccid> imho ofcourse
[02:27] <flaccid> i use xchat on my usb pen drive from dsl which is good
[02:27] <Jucato> konsole, kate, konqueror, kopete, konversation, kontact (kmail, korganizer, kaddressbook, akregator), katapult, amarok
[02:27] <HymnToLife> ans also a bunch of other stuff like Kwallet, Klipper and Korganizer no one cares about :p
[02:28] <HymnToLife> and*
[02:28] <flaccid> just like me jucy really
[02:28] <matt0507> no one is running kaquarium? thats the best applet ever!
[02:28] <flaccid> cept i'm too lazy on the organizer stuff and use opera for mail
[02:28] <genii> flaccid Try irc from cli sometime with ircii LOL
[02:28] <flaccid> genii: i'm a BitchX/epic user
[02:28] <flaccid> when i feel like it
[02:28] <genii> flaccid :)
[02:28] <flaccid> matt0507: how i get that kaquarium
[02:29] <HymnToLife> !kaquarium
[02:29] <ubotu> kaquarium: aquarium panel applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-beta-5build1 (edgy), package size 68 kB, installed size 264 kB
[02:29] <flaccid> sweet
[02:29] <flaccid> i'm excited
[02:29] <codyt> genii, I can't even ping the router from my window's machine.
[02:29] <flaccid> codyt: if the router has icmp echo off you wont't be able to ping . if the host comes up in the arp cache you can at least confirm the ip
[02:30] <codyt> flaccid, I can ping from this machine, but not the windows machine.
[02:30] <matt0507> flaccid: just search for kaquarium in adept
[02:30] <Chasta> i cant grub my linux
[02:30] <genii> codyt If you did the paperclip trick it may be that the range the router is on switched from 192.168.2.x to something different like 192.168.0.x or similar
[02:31] <Chasta> I am follownig orders by: Using the Desktop/LiveCD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader
[02:31] <Chasta> and somehow can't get through: Type "setup (hd0)", ot whatever your harddisk nr is.
[02:31] <matt0507> flaccid: it's a living aquairum that sit on your desktop panel and you dont even have to feed the fish
[02:31] <Chasta> I tryed 0,1,2,3,4,5 nothing..
[02:31] <genii> codyt What windoze on that box? 2k/XP based or 98?
[02:31] <codyt> xp
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Chasta, are you on your live CD right now ?
[02:32] <Chasta> yes
[02:32] <codyt> okay, I think it may have woken up.. before it didn't have a default gateway, now it does.
[02:32] <Chasta> I mean, the other comp is in the 2nd floor I am 2 lower :P
[02:32] <genii> codyt OK so release/renew IP on it ... lag...ah OK looks like it already adjusted now
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Chasta, could you please pastebin the output of mount ?
[02:32] <Chasta> mount?
[02:33] <Chasta> I haven't mount anythink
[02:33] <Chasta> not manually..
[02:33] <flaccid> codyt: windows firewall could have icmp echo off as well. but yeah verify by arp etc.
[02:33] <HymnToLife> Chasta, you'll need to mount your existing Ubuntu partition if you want to install grub on it
[02:33] <Chasta> how can I do that?
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:33] <SmaMer> lol i have kubunut :D
[02:33] <Chasta> HymnToLife
[02:34] <HymnToLife> Chasta, pastebin the ouput of    sudo fdisk -l
[02:34] <SmaMer> its nice :D and chill...
[02:34] <SmaMer> heheh
[02:34] <dima2001> HymnToLife: thank you, it worked :)
[02:34] <SmaMer> cant reed exe. but ok..
[02:34] <SmaMer> :D
[02:34] <Chasta> HymnToLife: well problem, the other comp doesn't have LAN isntalled yet
[02:34] <Chasta> can u wait a few min
[02:35] <HymnToLife> sure
[02:35] <SmaMer> hehe
[02:36] <SmaMer> ej dudes
[02:36] <genii> flaccid I need to head out shortly. You are going to keep helping codyt for a while?
[02:36] <SmaMer> whre are ops here??????
[02:36] <SmaMer> i cant se no oop
[02:36] <HymnToLife> Slackwise,
[02:36] <HymnToLife> (sorry)
[02:36] <genii> SmaMer yes, that is so they don't get picked on
[02:36] <HymnToLife> SmaMer, ops come only when they are needed
[02:36] <SmaMer> a?
[02:37] <SmaMer> aha...
[02:37] <SmaMer> nice :D
[02:37] <SmaMer> good network...
[02:37] <SmaMer> but i cant belive that lol
[02:39] <flaccid> sure
[02:39] <SmaMer> lol...
[02:39] <SmaMer> u need ops
[02:39] <SmaMer> searyusli...
[02:39] <SmaMer> :D
[02:39] <flaccid> i've been here for months, i don't know or remember any ops
[02:39] <flaccid> heh
[02:39] <matt0507> anyone know how i can get my mplayer to play .flv files?
[02:40] <Tm_T> SmaMer: flaccid: It's better to not see ops.
[02:40] <Tm_T> You usually see them when you get kicked. ;)
[02:40] <SmaMer> wHy?
[02:40] <flaccid> no shit
[02:40] <Hobbsee> flaccid: we exist
[02:40] <SmaMer> lol...
[02:40] <SmaMer> hmm... its bad dude :d
[02:40] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Sure we do.
[02:40] <Tm_T> =)
[02:40] <chasta1> hello
[02:40] <SmaMer> lOl
[02:40] <genii> codyt I need to get going but may be back online in a couple hours
[02:41] <SmaMer> hobbse nice :D
[02:41] <chasta1> who was helping me before
[02:41] <chasta1> on nick chasta_
[02:41] <SmaMer> i like that :D... dude
[02:41] <Hobbsee> SmaMer: :)
[02:41] <chasta1> ?
[02:41] <flaccid> Hobbsee: you an op lol
[02:41] <SmaMer> :)
[02:41] <Tm_T> I don't undestand all this "op lol" thing.
[02:41] <SmaMer> my friend runed a bigest server on balkan.. and there ops are allwys online
[02:41] <blerk> the "this is a pre-release of ubuntu live installer .... its not a final release.. final release availible in april 2006" is a typo and should be april 2007?
[02:42] <chasta1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2862/
[02:42] <Tm_T> blerk: Where that is?
[02:42] <chasta1> anyway here is the output of sudo fdisk -l
[02:42] <Hobbsee> SmaMer: oh we're always online - just hidden
[02:42] <SmaMer> i see...
[02:42] <SmaMer> do chanserv and nickserv rune here?
[02:42] <blerk> Tm_T: on the feisty herd 2 amd64 cd iso
[02:43] <blerk> desktop :p
[02:43] <Tm_T> blerk: Ah, sounds like typo, yes.
[02:43] <chasta1> hello there me is chasta....
[02:43] <genii> SmaMer yes, those services are here
[02:43] <chasta1> how can I make GRUB
[02:43] <blerk> Tm_T: yeah very minor but i tought id mention it :p
[02:43] <SmaMer> nice :D
[02:43] <SmaMer> hmmm
[02:43] <SmaMer> lest se..
[02:43] <chasta1> !grub chasta1
[02:43] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu14 (edgy), package size 359 kB, installed size 764 kB
[02:43] <chasta1> !grub
[02:43] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:43] <flaccid> oh br0
[02:43] <flaccid> that was like so not ubuntu-like
[02:44] <flaccid> Hobbsee: you not done a kick for a while, needed a hit?
[02:45] <chasta1> I was trying to install GRUB couse windows erase it by this tutorial> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:45] <HymnToLife> chasta1, you're in your Live CD now ?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: not in a few days.  just catching you off your guard
[02:45] <flaccid> geez
[02:45] <chasta1> HymnToLife> yes
[02:45] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Can I too? ;)
[02:45] <SmaMer> i registrated now :D
[02:45] <Hobbsee> flaccid: and you seemed to need confirmation over whether i was an op or not
[02:45] <flaccid> man i got no auto-join. its lots of effort to re-join you know
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: sure, if you want :P
[02:45] <HymnToLife> chasta1, all right, run sudo fdisk -l
[02:45] <chasta1> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2862/
[02:45] <HymnToLife> and pastebin what you get
[02:45] <chasta1> output..
[02:45] <HymnToLife> thanks :p
[02:45] <flaccid> Hobbsee: no my lol was at the fact that class was not required in this channel
[02:46] <Hobbsee> class?
[02:46] <flaccid> yes
[02:46] <Tm_T> class?
[02:46] <flaccid> op, non-op
[02:46] <HymnToLife> chasta1, you have two linux parititons, do you know which one is your root filesystem and what the other one is ?
[02:46] <Tm_T> Well, it's "hidden".
[02:46] <SmaMer> lol
[02:47] <SmaMer> Tm_T
[02:47] <SmaMer> :D
[02:47] <SmaMer> nice
[02:47] <Tm_T> Yes?
[02:47] <SmaMer> u too :D
[02:47] <flaccid> hehe
[02:47] <SmaMer> can i have some ???
[02:47] <SmaMer> its like a drog
[02:47] <SmaMer> here
[02:47] <chasta1> HymnToLife: /dev/sda5   *         638        1529     7164927   83  Linux on this one is installed linux
[02:47] <SmaMer> it looks like
[02:47] <flaccid> them exclusive people
[02:47] <HymnToLife> chasta1, what's on the other one ?
[02:47] <SmaMer> :d
[02:47] <SmaMer> THX..
[02:47] <flaccid> i feel like im they are the higher class and we are like the lower class. where is robin hood?
[02:47] <Tm_T> Playtime is over, back to work. ->
[02:48] <chasta1> HymnToLife> data on ext3 partition and swap >(
[02:48] <raeez> once you install the ati drivers from the website, how do you 'select' them for x to use them?
[02:48] <chasta1> /dev/sdb1  swap
[02:48] <flaccid> !ati > raeez
[02:48] <chasta1> dev/sdb2 data
[02:48] <flaccid> being an op is hard work stuff that
[02:49] <flaccid> i'd rather be a lurcher
[02:49] <chasta1> /dev/sda1   *           1         637     5116671    7  HPFS/NTF   <--windows
[02:49] <chasta1> HymnToLife> stil lwith me?
[02:50] <HymnToLife> chasta1, all right, here's what you need to do : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2863/
[02:51] <chasta1> HymnToLife> lets try
[02:53] <chasta1> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2864/
[02:54] <HymnToLife> chasta1, that's normal, you can reboot now :)
[02:54] <chasta1> k
[02:54] <chasta1> :>
[02:54] <chasta1> if this works u da man >(
[02:55] <chasta1> :>
[02:55] <chasta1> my layout isnt working..
[02:55] <chasta1> ok
[02:57] <SmaMer> theats bad
[02:57] <SmaMer> linux has some bug.s
[02:58] <SmaMer> :(
[02:58] <c28c28o8> hi leutz
[02:58] <SmaMer> only the win.sp3 doesnt have any bugs. all others os. have bug,s
[03:06] <thoreauputic> botviX: *all* OS es have bugs! We just fix them faster ;)
[03:06] <dataman> hello!
[03:06] <botviX> a?
[03:06] <botviX> LOL
[03:06] <botviX> i see...
[03:06] <botviX> ur some os. hckers here
[03:06] <botviX> :D
[03:06] <botviX> i like this network:D
[03:06] <thoreauputic> botviX: in fact all programs have bugs, if you look hard enough :)
[03:06] <botviX> on my network we just tink how to
[03:06] <botviX> make fool from someone :D
[03:07] <c28c28o8> my OS has no bugs :D
[03:07] <Jeenks> blabal
[03:08] <Jeenks> I gues were still better of with Linux
[03:08] <c28c28o8> ^^
[03:08] <dataman> do you know the file where is save my network configuration
[03:08] <dataman> ?
[03:09] <c28c28o8> no
[03:09] <Jeenks> no sr
[03:09] <dataman> want see how my wireless card ra0 is configured
[03:09] <dataman> argh
[03:09] <Jeenks> what os?
[03:09] <dataman> kbuntu
[03:09] <Jeenks> ok...hm
[03:09] <dataman> i use auto configuration with graphic mode
[03:10] <Jeenks> can't you use system settings?
[03:10] <dataman> tough it s /etc/network/interfaces but it doesn t give me good information
[03:10] <dataman> i used it
[03:11] <Jeenks> sr I've nerver done that...
[03:11] <dataman> i can t see video with my kbuntu 6.06
[03:11] <dataman> you can ?
[03:11] <bobleny> hey, I got this erorr when I tried to access my mysql database, "Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect] : Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) in /home/bob/Web Devolpment/Server/FireMelt_Rescript/index.php on line 384 Unable to Connect to the MYSQL Database!", So I went to "/var/run/mysqld/". There are no files or folders in that directory. Is that a problem!????
[03:11] <Jeenks> I can
[03:11] <botviX> lol...
[03:12] <Jeenks> you might not installed your GPU
[03:12] <dataman> what do you use jeenks for read video?
[03:13] <botviX> lol... they hate my lol,s here...
[03:13] <Jeenks> wait
[03:13] <Jeenks> I use vlc
[03:13] <Jeenks> will play about anithing
[03:13] <frojnd> whats the command if I wanna see how much space do I have on ntfs or other partitions?
[03:14] <dataman> vlc can read wmv file?
[03:14] <frojnd> yez
[03:14] <dataman> sure i used it on windows
[03:14] <Jeenks> yeah, it will a lot!
[03:14] <dataman> it s the best
[03:14] <dataman> divx
[03:14] <dataman> dvd
[03:14] <dataman> ^
[03:14] <praetor> frojnd: df ?
[03:14] <dataman> ^.^
[03:14] <dataman> where can i have VLC ?
[03:15] <dataman> (i m a beginner lol i m sorry)
[03:15] <frojnd> praetor: no It only shows ext3 partitions.. and root
[03:15] <Jeenks> enter in the command shel
[03:15] <dataman> yes
[03:15] <Jeenks> apt-get install vlc
[03:15] <blerk> whats so wrong about using XFS as your rootfs? its refusing to install with XFS as root/boot
[03:15] <Jeenks> that should do
[03:15] <blerk> :p
[03:16] <dataman> apt-get command never works with me
[03:16] <dataman> he can t find package
[03:16] <Jeenks> have loget in as root?
[03:17] <dataman> i use sudo command it s good no?
[03:17] <thoreauputic> !repos | dataman
[03:17] <ubotu> dataman: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:17] <praetor> frojnd: df shows my nfts partition if it is mounted
[03:17] <Jeenks> its sudo bash
[03:17] <botviX> windwos service pack 3 ... made by amit :D
[03:17] <praetor> df -h
[03:17] <thoreauputic> dataman: vlc is in universe IIRC
[03:17] <botviX> sp 1 i think
[03:17] <botviX> lol..
[03:17] <thoreauputic> !info vlc
[03:17] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[03:17] <praetor>  /dev/hdb1              38G   34G  3.7G  91% /mnt/windows
[03:17] <frojnd> praetor: so only logical explanation is: its not monuted :s
[03:17] <praetor> so mount it :P
[03:17] <frojnd> how
[03:17] <frojnd> :>
[03:18] <Jeenks> go to : www.holderegger.org
[03:18] <praetor> sudo mkir /mnt/temp
[03:18] <praetor> sudo mount /dev/partitionlocation /mnt/temp
[03:18] <dataman> lol
[03:18] <praetor> so my windows is on hdb1
[03:18] <Jeenks> go on source lsit and follow the instruction
[03:18] <praetor> so i would do sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/temp
[03:18] <thoreauputic> botviX: this is a kubuntu channel - to discuss windows try #windows
[03:18] <botviX> na... i wont discus :D but thanx
[03:18] <botviX> :D
[03:19] <botviX> A like folks here
[03:19] <botviX> ur all nice
[03:19] <botviX> :D
[03:19] <danny30> i want mp3 suport in kubuntu
[03:19] <botviX> and polite
[03:19] <thoreauputic> !enter
[03:19] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:19] <frojnd> sudo mount /dev/partitionlocation /mnt/temp (where is that partitionlocation anyway?)
[03:19] <botviX> i have mp3 player
[03:19] <botviX> 4 cubuntu
[03:19] <botviX> ...
[03:19] <botviX> it comend on my dvd
[03:19] <c28c28o8> :D what?
[03:19] <thoreauputic> botviX: warning: please stop using the enter key as punctuation
[03:20] <botviX> hmm i dont understan .. aaa sory
[03:20] <thoreauputic> botviX: it's annoying and one of the things you can be banned for
[03:20] <botviX> :D its ok... its regular on my place.. here its spam i think
[03:20] <danny30> hello to everyone
[03:20] <max__> hi
[03:20] <max__> how can i to get the italian package for kubuntu with apt-get ?
[03:21] <frojnd> praetor: there is a problem I dont know for sure where is windows partition, I know its on sdaX
[03:21] <praetor> frojnd: so try sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/temp
[03:21] <c28c28o8> xxxxxxxxxxxD
[03:21] <praetor> or sda2
[03:21] <Jucato> frojnd: "sudo fdisk -l" will list all your partitions and their types
[03:21] <codyt> flaccid, do you know what I'd have to do to allow the windows machine to access the internet through my linux machine?  I got file sharing working.
[03:22] <danny30> i want video suport for all formats in kubuntu
[03:22] <max__> yuhu...
[03:22] <Jucato> !codecs | danny30
[03:22] <ubotu> danny30: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:22] <Jucato> !it | max__
[03:22] <ubotu> max__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:22] <Jucato> max__: those guys might know how
[03:22] <max__> i'm serching the italian package for kubuntu with apt-get
[03:22] <botviX> lol
[03:23] <max__> ovvio
[03:23] <max__> XD
[03:23] <max__> come scarico il pacchetto per l'italiano in kubuntu?
[03:24] <max__> with apt-get
[03:24] <HymnToLife> !it
[03:24] <blerk> ciao
[03:24] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:24] <padlefot> said son, you better listen
[03:24] <max__> ciao
[03:24] <Jucato> max__: not here, in #kubuntu-it
[03:25] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2866/  praetor or jucato: my fdisk -l output. I mounted sda1 but when I go in konqueror /media/sda1 its empty, also I cant mount sda2 couse I must first specify filesystem...
[03:26] <Jucato> frojnd: what's the exact command you used to mount sda1?
[03:27] <frojnd> first: sudo mkdir /mnt/temp
[03:27] <frojnd>  sudo mount /dev/sda1
[03:27] <frojnd> was the second one..
[03:27] <praetor> should be
[03:27] <praetor> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/temp
[03:27] <frojnd> yep
[03:27] <praetor> you need to specify where you want to mount it
[03:28] <Jucato> frojnd: so why did you go to /media/sda1?
[03:28] <frojnd> I used to go there :)
[03:28] <frojnd> I got some prob with wins so Grub died
[03:28] <frojnd> and I make some changes with partitions...
[03:29] <frojnd> look: I have 2 disks
[03:29] <Jucato> the command you used wasn't complete
[03:29] <frojnd> and on disk1 is windows and linux
[03:29] <Jucato> enter the commands as praetor gave them
[03:29] <frojnd> and on disk2 is ext3 partition and swap
[03:29] <frojnd> I wanna make swap on disk 1
[03:29] <frojnd> and made partitions like this
[03:29] <frojnd> for windows 15gb
[03:29] <Jucato> frojnd: it's ok... just follow the command praetor gave
[03:30] <frojnd> I did it ..
[03:30] <botviX> those gys on windows are bad they are not polite!!!
[03:30] <Jucato>  <frojnd>  sudo mount /dev/sda1 <--- this is incomplete
[03:30] <frojnd> mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /mnt/temp busy
[03:30] <frojnd> mount: according to mtab, /dev/sda1 is already mounted on /mnt/temp
[03:30] <Jucato> frojnd: ok... so now go to /mnt/temp, not to /media/sda1
[03:30] <frojnd> ah..
[03:30] <frojnd> :)
[03:31] <Jucato> frojnd: of course, /media/sda1 would be empty, because you mounted /dev/sda1 to /mnt/temp
[03:31] <frojnd> aha
[03:31] <kosta_> !de
[03:31] <frojnd> And now I have to make some access rules
[03:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:31] <frojnd> couse I dont have access to get into /mnt/temp
[03:31] <cotui> sala en espaol
[03:32] <Jucato> !es | cotui
[03:32] <ubotu> cotui: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:32] <frojnd> Jucato: maybe u know about permissions?
[03:33] <Jucato> frojnd: um... I'm not really sure what you're trying to do...
[03:33] <frojnd> Jucato: In konqueror I do /mnt/temp
[03:34] <Jucato> frojnd: I mean, do you want to permanently mount your XP/NTFS partition?
[03:34] <frojnd> and it was note: U do not have enough permissions to read
[03:34] <frojnd> no first a Wanna make some changes with partitions
[03:34] <puppe> hi, is there a way to back up  a partition under kubuntu,when the filesystem is unknown? something like a raw copy?
[03:34] <bobleny> hey, do you know where the mysql error logs are at in kubuntu?
[03:34] <Jucato> frojnd: what do you mean? you can't/shouldn't write to NTFS
[03:34] <frojnd> ad u can see in my fdisk layout I have 155gb unpartitioned..
[03:35] <screemo> on feisty, Is anyone beside me experiencing problems with kicker not resizing pager-applet properly ?
[03:35] <frojnd> and I wanna take 10gb og 155gb and give it to windows partition which is 5gb big...
[03:35] <frojnd> jucato..
[03:35] <frojnd> Jucato: I know I cant and I have no intend to ..
[03:36] <Jucato> frojnd: you're trying to resize sda1 and take some space from sda2?
[03:36] <frojnd> yes! :)
[03:36] <frojnd> sda2 is unpartitioned..
[03:37] <frojnd> and I also wanna take 1gb from sda2 for swap, so linux and swap would be on the same hard disk, at the moment is linux on one HD and swap on another..
[03:37] <frojnd> let me draw a picture :)
[03:38] <botviX> ubuntu FOLKS are the BEST!!!!!!!!!
[03:40] <screemo> so no one here is running kubuntu/feisty ?
[03:41] <Jucato> screemo: probably guys in #ubuntu+1
[03:42] <botviX> nan
[03:42] <botviX> naaa
[03:42] <botviX> this kubuntu rocks
[03:42] <botviX> :D
[03:42] <screemo> Jucato: ah thanks alot :)
[03:44] <frojnd> Jucato: here is the picture of my HDDs: http://shrani.si/files/hdru1t.jpg
[03:46] <frojnd> Jucato, I wanna take 10gb form unpartitioned (sda2) and put it into sda1 <- windows partition, and 1gb from sda2 to make swap on sda, and from the sdb I wanna realise swap couse it would be on sda...
[03:46] <frojnd> only problem is.. I dont have knoladge to do this
[03:46] <frojnd> knowlage even
[03:49] <djdarkman__> hy ,can someone help me find a program that`s causing me unwanted network traffic?
[03:49] <djdarkman__> some process is consuming my bandwidth and I want to find it
[03:49] <praetor> djdarkman__: sudo apt-get install wireshark
[03:50] <devilsadvocate> djdarkman__, try netstat -p
[03:50] <praetor> or that :-)
[03:51] <botviX> mater vam jebem :D
[03:51] <botviX> :D
[03:51] <praetor> djdarkman__: wireshark will let you capture every packet your applications send out so you can look at the traffic flow in detail
[03:51] <djdarkman__> ok i`ll try it ,netstat doesn`t help
[03:54] <jeff_> hi, all.  I've got a quick question about window behavior with multiple monitors using xinerama.
[03:55] <jeff_> I just upgraded my work machine from Mandriva 2005 (yeah, old) to Edgy.  Under Mandriva, when I started an app, the new window would spawn on the screen where my mouse was.  Under Edgy, the new window come up on the leftmost screen each time.
[03:56] <jeff_> Does anyone know how to change this behavior.  Or alternatively, a hotkey to move a window from one screen to the other?
[03:56] <pgdown> jeff_: if you rightclick on the titlebar
[03:56] <pgdown> and go to advanced
[03:57] <pgdown> there's special window..and application...settings
[03:57] <pgdown> the geometry tab will be what you're looking for
[03:57] <jeff_> but thoe are window-specific.  I want this for arbitrary windows.
[03:58] <jeff_> For example, I used to click on the Firefox icon in my panel, then move my pointer over to the right monitor while firefox loaded.
[03:58] <jeff_> When I do this now, firefox still spawns on the left screen.
[03:59] <Alumin> jeff_: not sure how to solve your original problem, but you can define global shortcuts to move windows between desktops
[03:59] <Cuddles_in_KY> morning all.
[03:59] <jeff_> If it was just Firefox I wanted this behavior for, I'd use geometry to specify position.
[03:59] <pgdown> jeff_: well, then go to system settings>window behavior
[03:59] <jeff_> Alumin: That's a good workaround, and something I didn't have with the old system.  Where do I define those?
[03:59] <pgdown> and see the moving tab
[04:00] <pgdown> perhaps the placement option will be it
[04:00] <jerrad> hello
[04:00] <Cuddles_in_KY> question about wireless. it's been a full week, and i finally have it working. -but- it won't connect on startup, knetworkmanager won't get past "configuring devices" and i can't connect at all if i'm within 20 feet of my wireless router. i literally have to move to the other end of the house to get a connection! can someone -please- help me fix this?
[04:00] <jeff_> pgdown: I scanned those options, but didn't see anything.  Thanks, though.  I'll look through those.
[04:01] <Alumin> jeff_: open "System Settings" in the K menu, then go to "Regional and Accessibility"
[04:02] <jeff_> Alumin: I think I can specify the hotkeys, under input actions.  I'm just not sure what to enter for them
[04:02] <Alumin> jeff_: I'm not sure I understand the question
[04:03] <Alumin> you're having trouble picking a key combination?  that's up to you :)
[04:03] <jeff_> Alumin: no, not the key combo.,  basically I'm trying to figure out what to use as the result of said combo.
[04:04] <jeff_> Alumin: but I think I can muddle through it.  I'll just poke at it a bit, and see if I can find an option to specify geometry for the active window.
[04:04] <jeff_> Alumin: thanks for the help. I'm on the right track.
[04:04] <Alumin> well I dunno about specifying the whole geometry
[04:04] <Alumin> I was thinking "Window to Previous Desktop" or "Window One Desktop to the Left"
[04:05] <jeff_> pgdown: thanks for the help.  I think I can get the rest.
[04:05] <jeff_> Alumin: Thanks, I'll look for those options.
[04:05] <pgdown> jeff_: no prob
[04:05] <djdarkman_> hy ,can someone tell me if I have some service that communicates with cannonical?
[04:05] <Alumin> I'm surprised KDE doesn't do that by default
[04:05] <barra> ok, well I tried the help from the !wireless info I found in the chanel and followed some instructions yesterday with no luck, I upgraded dapper > edgy, now when I close the lidd of my latptop, and it suspends, the wireless connection does not resume, any other ideas ??
[04:05] <Alumin> open windows where the mouse is, I mean
[04:05] <Alumin> I guess it opens them on the desktop that was active when the app was launched?
[04:05] <djdarkman_> tcp        0      0 192.168.0.66:44917      195.248.90.38:www       ESTABLISHED-
[04:06] <djdarkman_> I found this on netstats
[04:06] <Alumin> oh wait
[04:06] <Alumin> these are multiple monitors, not multiple desktops
[04:06] <Cuddles_in_KY> question about wireless. it's been a full week, and i finally have it working. -but- it won't connect on startup, knetworkmanager won't get past "configuring devices" and i can't connect at all if i'm within 20 feet of my wireless router. i literally have to move to the other end of the house to get a connection! can someone -please- help me fix this?
[04:06] <jeff_> Alumin: possibly, and the old implementation waited until the window was actually ready to load.  And yeah, monitors.  1 single desktop.
[04:07] <pgdown> Cuddles: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[04:08] <pgdown> !pastebin|Cuddles_in_KY
[04:08] <ubotu> Cuddles_in_KY: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:08] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, http://pastebin.ca/328106
[04:09] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, and yes, i've tried commenting everything out to use knetworkmanager.
[04:09] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: which is your alias?
[04:09] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, wlan0
[04:11] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: is that the entire file?
[04:11] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, yes
[04:11] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: you didnt leave anything out?
[04:12] <pgdown> ok
[04:12] <kolla> since I moved from gentoo to (k)ubuntu on my workstation, I find myselv unable to hook kopete contacts with kaddressbook... that is, if I try, the kaddressbook list is empty :P
[04:14] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: still looking over your interfaces...but do this as well
[04:15] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: sudo nano /etc/modules & make sure ndiswrapper is listed
[04:15] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, it's there
[04:16] <pgdown> ok
[04:17] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: what driver do you have again?
[04:17] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, bcwl5
[04:17] <Alumin> kolla: as far as I know that should work, but I can tell you I created all my contacts in KAddressbook first and then just linked them
[04:17] <Alumin> I'm linking them in Konversation, though, not Kopete
[04:18] <kolla> Alumin: hm, ok
[04:18] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: what card?
[04:18] <kolla> I'm trying to use LDAP, it might there it fails
[04:18] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, linksys wpc300n
[04:18] <Alumin> that's possible...my contacts are just local ones
[04:20] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: do you have any other cards?
[04:20] <Lord_Flasheart> hi, i am trying to install kubuntu with an nvidia software raid 1 configuration on two hard drives
[04:20] <Lord_Flasheart> i am using the alt install cd
[04:20] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, no
[04:20] <Lord_Flasheart> but the configure software raid option doesn't show up
[04:21] <Lord_Flasheart> i have read
[04:21] <Lord_Flasheart> http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html
[04:21] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: no on-board wired ethernet card?
[04:21] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, no.
[04:21] <Lord_Flasheart> this works fine on fedora core 6, which is installed at the moment
[04:21] <Lord_Flasheart> does anyone know how to do it with edgy / feisty?
[04:22] <Lord_Flasheart> i think that the version of dmraid in edgy is broken, but the one in feisty should work
[04:23] <screemo> anyone know how to format output in columns using printf or similar in bash ?
[04:23] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2869/
[04:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:23] <pgdown> try that...but backup your old file first
[04:24] <pgdown> sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.bak
[04:24] <fuel> hi i changed the grub's splash screen......
[04:24] <fuel> is there anyway to change the style?
[04:24] <BluesKaj> something odd I noticed about K3B. Is it correct that mp3's are regarded as data in burn rather than "audio". ?
[04:25] <pgdown> Cuddles_in_KY: and then do this: echo 'blacklist bcm43xx' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[04:25] <fuel> for example like the boot screen installed by suse ?
[04:25] <screemo> BluesKaj: yes thats true
[04:25] <pgdown> and then reboot
[04:25] <fuel> the boot screen looks a bit ugly
[04:25] <screemo> BluesKaj: its just a datacd anyways
[04:25] <fuel> :(
[04:26] <BluesKaj> screemo, and it still plays back ok on a regular cdplayer or portable player for example ?
[04:26] <screemo> BluesKaj: if it supports mp3s
[04:27] <screemo> BluesKaj: just e
[04:27] <BluesKaj> yes of course , it
[04:27] <BluesKaj> does
[04:27] <screemo> BluesKaj: just remember to close the cd
[04:27] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, done. but is ''auto wlan0'' supposed to be there twice?
[04:27] <pgdown> yes, try that
[04:27] <BluesKaj> close ?
[04:27] <screemo> BluesKaj: multisession is usually not good for cdplayers
[04:28] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, trying it.
[04:28] <BluesKaj> not using multisession , using data cd
[04:28] <BluesKaj> testing on a cdrw anyway
[04:28] <fuel> has anyone installed both kickoff and kbfx ?
[04:29] <screemo> BluesKaj: yea but multisession is a part of the write cd dialog
[04:29] <BluesKaj> I have kickoff
[04:29] <screemo> BluesKaj: normally its set on auto
[04:29] <BluesKaj> , but it doesn't have the runbox in the menu
[04:29] <Jucato> BluesKaj: when you set it to use the K Menu style?
[04:29] <screemo> kickoff and kbfx.. both should go away IMHO
[04:29] <Jucato> kde/kmenu style
[04:29] <fuel> kbfx seems to be malfunctioning after installing kickoff menu
[04:30] <BluesKaj> no , when I used the default Jucato , so I switched to the k-menu style :)
[04:31] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the default kickoff style (Suse style) has a runbox (text input field at the top)
[04:31] <anti_system32> pagina en espaol
[04:31] <fuel> no it doesnt
[04:31] <fuel> atleast for me
[04:31] <frojnd> !backup
[04:31] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[04:32] <Jucato> !es | anti_system32
[04:32] <ubotu> anti_system32: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:32] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, no joy, still not working.
[04:34] <frojnd> if I backup my partition on which is linux, by this command dd -if /dev/hda1 > partitionimage.dd
[04:34] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, in fact, now i can't connect manually. "/etc/network/interfaces:13 interface wlan0 declared allow-auto twice"
[04:34] <frojnd> how can I decompress it when I wanna get bac data
[04:34] <frojnd> so I wouldnt have to install linux again?
[04:34] <pgdown> then take out the last instance
[04:35] <Rarj> I have gnome on ubuntu 6.10 and want to switch to KDE. I have the kubuntu 6.10 CD. Is there anyway I can upgrade or change thru that ?
[04:35] <aseigo> Riddell: ping
[04:35] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, knetwork manager says this in /var/log/messages - dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
[04:36] <fuel> i think its sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:36] <Riddell> hi aseigo
[04:36] <toty> hi guys, thought id give kde a go, how do get transparent windows? tried "configure window behavior"-> translucency.. but the windows remain normal.. any ideas?
[04:36] <Rarj> fuel, will it pull it from the kubuntu CD ?
[04:36] <fuel> toty : you have to reboot
[04:36] <toty> fuel: ic.. thanks
[04:36] <aseigo> Riddell: http://allafrica.com/stories/200701230831.html
[04:37] <aseigo> Riddell: you know what to look for ;) btw, there are apparently some 150k people expected at that event.
[04:37] <fuel> Rarj : i havent tried...since i use kubuntu by default and gnome repels me...... so google for "install kubuntu on ubuntu"
[04:37] <frojnd> if I backup my partition on which is linux, by this command dd -if /dev/hda1 > partitionimage.dd they are backed up, but if something goes wrong how can I get those data?!?
[04:37] <aseigo> fuel: actually, you can just run kompmgr manually once
[04:37] <Rarj> fuel, thanks :)
[04:38] <aseigo> Rarj: it pulls it from the regular apt repos
[04:38] <fuel> Rarj: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[04:39] <max__> ciao a tutti
[04:39] <fuel> aseigo : :D
[04:39] <fuel> i didnt know that...
[04:39] <Riddell> aseigo: awooga!
[04:39] <aseigo> Riddell: indeed.
[04:40] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, any further ideas?
[04:40] <Riddell> shame it's only 100 but, the social networking at something like that would be gre
[04:40] <Riddell> great
[04:40] <aseigo> Riddell: yeah... i wonder what they were using on the computers. they noted that it was free software, so certainly linux of some sort no doubt...
[04:40] <pgdown> I really dont know
[04:40] <jeff_> pgdown: I did get my window placement behavior fixed.  The setting was in Window Behavior, Focus tab, and the option named "Active mouse screen"  Thanks again for your help.
[04:41] <pgdown> sorry...might try the forums
[04:41] <pgdown> jeff_ no prob
[04:41] <Alumin> jeff_: thanks for reporting back on that...I'm about to have a second monitor myself, and I bet that's going to be an issue for me as well
[04:41] <jeff_> Alumin: I didn't have any luck with a kb shortcut to move the window from one screen to another (lots of help for moving from one desktop to another), but I fixed my spawning behavior.
[04:42] <Alumin> jeff_: yeah, I was barking up the wrong tree with that one unfortunately
[04:42] <Alumin> since, as you discovered, desktop != monitor :p
[04:42] <Cuddles_in_KY> pgdown, i've tried the forums. repeatedly.
[04:43] <jeff_> Alumin: no problem.  I come here for help from time to time, and it's always nice when I can give a little back.
[04:43] <fuel> !adeptfix
[04:43] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[04:44] <jeff_> Alumin: I still think a hotkey to change a window's screen would be nice.  I don't see a native KDE way to do it, but I think I could pretty easily write a little command-line app that would set the active wondow to a specific geometry.  Then you could assign hotkeys to call that app with differing parameters.
[04:45] <fuel> any ideas how to install krandr?
[04:45] <jeff_> Alumin: I have that on a Windows box I Remote Desktop to for work, and it works really well.  CTRL+ALT+Left/Right makes the active window fill the left or right screen, respectively.
[04:46] <Ash-Fox> !gaim
[04:46] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[04:46] <barra> another wireless issue , ok, well I tried the help from the !wireless info I found in the chanel and followed some instructions yesterday with no luck, I upgraded dapper > edgy, now when I close the lidd of my latptop, and it suspends, the wireless connection does not resume, any other ideas ??
[04:47] <emss> why does kubuntu use systemsettings, and not kcontrol?
[04:47] <toty> fuel: transparency is working, thanks.. well kind of.. its really slow and the cpu is at 100 when move windows etc
[04:47] <emss> systemsettings crashes on me
[04:48] <fuel> you can invoke kcontrol through run dialog
[04:48] <fuel> toty :yep
[04:48] <fuel> i dont use it personally.......
[04:48] <fuel> transperancy is not for serious workers......
[04:48] <emss> kde is for serious workers?
[04:49] <fuel> kde is ok :P
[04:49] <toty> fuel: so that is normal.. even with a good gfx card?
[04:49] <toty> fuel: :) yep.. i'm playing at the mo
[04:49] <emss> kde is faster than gnome which is nice :)
[04:49] <fuel> personally i dont know..... since i dont have one....
[04:49] <fuel> kde rocks :)
[04:49] <emss> well qt seems to be faster than gtk
[04:50] <fuel> toty : my guess is that your graphics card is not properly configured
[04:50] <fuel> qt4 is going to be must faster :)
[04:50] <fuel> so faster kde :)
[04:50] <toty> fuel: i have a feeling about that.. and pointers to check?
[04:50] <toty> fuel: glgears or whatever works well
[04:51] <fuel> toty : nope...ask god
[04:51] <emss> fuel: kde4 will be a rocket!
[04:51] <fuel> google it
[04:51] <toty> fuel: he doesn't talk to me anymore... but i'll try again
[04:52] <fuel> toty : god of internet is google......he talks to everyone
[04:52] <aseigo> toty: the comp mgr in 3.5 is not overly great; it dates from the time COMPOSITE was first being released.
[04:52] <fuel> :)
[04:52] <fuel> or better wait for people who know it better to reply
[04:52] <aseigo> toty: so on many hardware set ups you'll find it sucks. on some, it's quite good. but yeah ... it's not universally terrific....
[04:53] <fuel> emss : but i dont like the idea of kde applications being able to run on windows
[04:53] <emss> fuel: why not?
[04:53] <padlefot> fuel: how on earth could you care
[04:53] <emss> fuel: I haven't been following eveything, but I don't see how it matters
[04:53] <toty> fuel, aseigo: ic.. ta.
[04:54] <fuel> emss : just my personal opinion..dont take it serious
[04:54] <emss> fuel: that's good in my opinion, it's what opensource is about taking down barriers, being free to use what you want where
[04:54] <fuel> emss : personally i was stuck with windows until i came across kde.......
[04:55] <yuriy> I think one of the best things about having kde run on windows will be amarok converting people away from iTunes
[04:55] <fuel> porting kde to windows will do the reverse again..... people will continue to use windows... kde i belive is the most serious reason for people to switch to unix*
[04:55] <Lord_Flasheart>  does anyone know how to install edgy or feisty on nvidia sata raid 1?
[04:56] <yuriy> Lord_Flasheart: it doesn't work OOTB?
[04:56] <fuel> again this is my personal opinion..
[04:56] <fuel> nothing more....
[04:56] <yuriy> fuel: i almost want to agree with you, but then i don't think Ubuntu would be so popular
[04:57] <fuel> yuriy : i dont get you
[04:57] <yuriy> fuel: i mean, a lot of people who switch to linux don't use KDE, so it can't be the main reason
[04:58] <yuriy> fuel: but i would say it is at least one of the main reasons for me
[04:58] <fuel> yuriy : i really dont think so.....
[04:58] <Lord_Flasheart> yuriy: no, i have tried the alternate install cd as recommended, and no configure software raid option comes up
[04:59] <fuel> kde is better than gnome and statistics say the same.....this can be debated over and over..finally it boils down to preferences and taste
[04:59] <Jucato> !offtopic
[04:59] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:59] <fuel> well it is better to leave it there....
[05:00] <Lord_Flasheart> yuriy: i think the dmraid software is required?
[05:00] <jeff_> heh
[05:00] <Lord_Flasheart> yuriy: but i am not sure how to get it or what to do with it
[05:01] <yuriy> Lord_Flasheart: i don't actually know anything about raid :-\ i was just thinking it should just work, hope someone else knows, gl
[05:04] <frojnd> why cant I in qtparted resize partition :s
[05:05] <frojnd> I wanna take it from sda2 10gb and give it to sda1
[05:05] <Jucato> QtParted can't resize NTFS afaik.. not sure though
[05:05] <boss_78> hello
[05:05] <frojnd> fdisk -l layout: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2872/
[05:05] <boss_78> Who know the graphic board "s3 Savage4"?
[05:05] <fuel> how do i change the boot screen of kubuntu ????
[05:06] <frojnd> Jucato: I delited partition NTFS,,,
[05:06] <frojnd> so its only a "partition" now..
[05:06] <frojnd> not specified partition
[05:06] <fuel> i want to see the process going on rather than looking at the progress bar
[05:06] <boss_78> #savage
[05:07] <boss_78> If you can help me about "s3 savage4"
[05:07] <boss_78> join #savage
[05:07] <cotui> sala ewn espaol
[05:08] <Jucato> frojnd: I think you'd have delete the sda1 and sda2 partiion... you can't resize partitions from the the starting part of the partition, only from the end. afaik
[05:08] <LjL> anty_system32: AGAIN?
[05:08] <anty_system32> sala en espaol por fabol
[05:08] <LjL> Ubotu, tell anty_system32 about es | anty_system32, see the private message from Ubotu
[05:09] <Jucato> !es | anty_system32
[05:09] <ubotu> anty_system32: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:09] <Jucato> bah...
[05:09] <LjL> pero por favor escribite esa
[05:09] <LjL> has pasado el dia a preguntar eso ayer en #ubuntu
[05:09] <lamer> hi @ll
[05:10] <frojnd> Jucato: any good prog to backup my lunux partition
[05:10] <frojnd> its about 3gb of data
[05:10] <fuel> !bootscreen
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootscreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <Jucato> frojnd: you don't have to touch sda3, that's where your Linux is,right?
[05:11] <fuel> !splash screen
[05:11] <LjL> fuel: what do you need?
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about splash screen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <fuel> i need to change the boot screen
[05:11] <frojnd> my linux on sda5
[05:11] <frojnd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2872/
[05:11] <LjL> Ubotu, tell fuel about usplash | fuel, see the private message from Ubotu
[05:11] <Jucato> frojnd: ah.. you only have to delete sda1 and sda2, then make them again... but I'm no expert on partitioning so....
[05:12] <frojnd> maybe I have to restart comp..
[05:12] <fuel> LjL : thanks :) i will try it out
[05:14] <fuel> LjL : and one more......how to change the boot screen for grub ... all i can do is change the background...... any other customizations possible ???
[05:15] <Jucato> fuel: not unless you isntall something like gfxmenu
[05:15] <Jucato> or was that gfxboot?
[05:15] <Jucato> !gfxboot
[05:15] <ubotu> gfxboot: bootlogo creator for gfxboot compliant boot loaders. In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.23-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 72 kB, installed size 364 kB
[05:15] <LjL> fuel: well, what do you have in mind? i know a background image can be set, yes... what else?
[05:16] <fuel> LjL : its the layout.... if you have seen Suse's grub boot splash....
[05:16] <lola_> italia
[05:16] <Jucato> fuel: don't mix the grub splash with the bootsplash
[05:16] <Jucato> !it | lola_
[05:16] <ubotu> lola_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:17] <LjL> fuel: hm don't know really
[05:17] <fuel> ok its grub splash....
[05:17] <fuel> i am enquiring both :D
[05:17] <Jucato> fuel: SUSE uses gfxboot for that
[05:17] <fuel> ok....
[05:17] <Jucato> fuel: as for the bootsplash... Ubuntu's kinda... locked down... makes it hard to change bootsplash from USplash to something else
[05:18] <fuel> x(
[05:18] <Jucato> but among the choices, Splashy might be the easiest to install, doesn't need recompiling the kernel
[05:18] <fuel> something like how they hide the root folders by defaul!
[05:19] <Jucato> heh it was a mistake that they have already corrected :P
[05:19] <fuel> i had to hunt down the settings which did that and finally it is in /etc/kubuntu*
[05:20] <Jucato> actually...
[05:20] <Jucato> !hidden | fuel
[05:20] <ubotu> fuel: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[05:20] <Jucato> ( you could have asked... I had that up the day edgy was released...)
[05:21] <fuel> ok the .hidden points to the etc folder
[05:25] <sampan> okay, this is a silly question, but i was messing about in kcontrol with various settings for how things look and i've lost ALL my icons in applications
[05:26] <sampan> how do i get them back?  i've run through all the settings in "appearance & themes" and ... i can't find the proper setting to change
[05:27] <fuel> what do you mean by lost icons ???
[05:27] <sampan> like, the icons in Kate/Konq .. or even the icons along the side in kcontrol ... all gone, just text
[05:27] <sampan> the "button" icons i guess
[05:28] <fuel> well do you see an option "icons " in appearance and themes?
[05:28] <sampan> yeah, but none of the settings in there get it back
[05:29] <vignesh> Hi
[05:29] <fuel> one question....... do you see icons in your home ?
[05:29] <vignesh> i use gaim on kubuntu and the font seems very small.. Though its in the normal size for kde based apps
[05:30] <fuel> use kopete.....its better
[05:30] <vignesh> how do i increase the font size for gtk based apps ?
[05:30] <devilsadvocate> vignesh, you should try searching in the gaim settings panel
[05:32] (fuel/#kubuntu) sampan : let me know if they are empty too
[05:32] <sampan> nope, they're there, and i've switched between them and it does nothing
[05:33] <devilsadvocate> vignesh, i recommend you upgrade to dapper or edgy
[05:33] <vignesh> Ah.. I am on a slow connection..
[05:33] <vignesh> cant upgrade
[05:33] <devilsadvocate> vignesh, alternate install cd?
[05:34] <vignesh> Does horay have backports ?
[05:34] <devilsadvocate> or get the dapper cd shipped
[05:34] <vignesh> hoary *
[05:34] <devilsadvocate> and reinstall
[05:34] <fuel> sampan : i think you should google the problem or better ask on #kde.....
[05:34] <fuel> i think it might be a temporary crash ....
[05:34] <sampan> fuel, yay ... lol ... so weird
[05:34] <devilsadvocate> vignesh, i thing hoary is supported only till april
[05:34] <akrus> is KDE 3.5.6 available under Feisty?
[05:34] <akrus> or only Edgy?
[05:35] <akrus> ah
[05:35] <akrus> nvm, sorry :)
[05:35] <dima2001> akrus, updating right now and it is installing 3.5.5 packages
[05:35] <vignesh> devilsadvocate: oh..ok
[05:35] <akrus> dima2001: okay thanks
[05:35] <dima2001> btw, pray for me, I had to -f install (:
[05:35] <fuel> i think there is a problem with kubuntu's 'remove safely' option for usbs'
[05:36] <akrus> oh btw
[05:36] <akrus> my card-reader is lagging a lot :o
[05:36] <fuel> after you try it and plug in the usb again...it does not mount ...
[05:36] <akrus> it does not mount the cards automatically
[05:36] <akrus> only rarely
[05:37] <akrus> and even if mounted -> all the files copied are 0 bytes
[05:37] <fuel> sampan : the most simple thing is to terminate your x session . and login again . press ctrl+alt+shift+backspace
[05:37] <akrus> and cannot read some files...
[05:37] <Lord_Flasheart> does anyone know how to install kubuntu edgy or feisty on nvidia nforce sata raid 1?
[05:37] <akrus> hm where's changelog of kde3.5.6?
[05:37] <Jucato> akrus: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php
[05:38] <sampan> fuel since i saved settings (before i noticed the problem) that's not likely to help
[05:38] <akrus> Jucato: thanks
[05:39] <fuel> i dont think there is a setting to disable to your icons display
[05:39] <dima2001> hmm... debconf: (Unable to load Gnome -- is libgnome2-perl installed?) ... Dialog will be used instead. Why does kubuntu try to use the gnome iface?
[05:39] <fuel> however there are settings to change display icons on toolbars......
[05:42] <lola_> help
[05:42] <lola_> -.-
[05:42] <lola_> ;-)
[05:42] <lola_> i?m joking
[05:43] <celal> #ubuntu-de
[05:45] <Rarj> does Kubuntu support mp3, DVD and VCD playback ? Or does it need to be installed separately
[05:46] <lupine_85> you need to install mp3 & vcd seperately
[05:46] <lupine_85> but it's not exactly hard
[05:46] <Rarj> lupine_85, automatix2 ?
[05:46] <lupine_85> (amarok does mp3 automagically for you; just !dvd for instructions)
[05:46] <lupine_85> Rarj: right after the gang rape?
[05:46] <lupine_85> I wouldn't suggest it
[05:47] <d0uglas> hi.. for a dual core amd 64bit, which iso should i grab?
[05:47] <Rarj> lupine_85, :-)
[05:47] <lupine_85> d0uglas: you can use either the amd64 or i386 iso
[05:47] <Rarj> !dvd
[05:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[05:47] <devilsadvocate> d0dge, i suggest the x86 package, but thats just me
[05:47] <lupine_85> if you're not certain, use the i386/x86 one
[05:48] <tapas> i wonder: when i override the kdm settings
[05:48] <d0uglas> hrmm.. nothing "dual core" specific?
[05:48] <tapas> there seems to be some evil kubuntu spirit that overrides them
[05:48] <lupine_85> they all have SMP enabled by default
[05:48] <tapas> if i change the background for kdm it shows first
[05:48] <d0uglas> okay, thanks vm
[05:48] <tapas> then the kubuntu login screen shows
[05:48] <tapas> since i find the kubuntu kdmn theme ugly
[05:48] <tapas> i would like to change that
[05:48] <tapas> how?
[05:48] <d0uglas> also, first time *buntu install for me, debian vet.. is there a "business card" iso?
[05:49] <d0uglas> for an installer?
[05:49] <Alumin> not that I know of
[05:49] <lupine_85> no, 'fraid not
[05:49] <lupine_85> !install
[05:49] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:49] <lupine_85> you could probably DIY though
[05:49] <Alumin> d0uglas: welcome to the fold, I was the same way
[05:50] <Alumin> debian vet, I mean, not business card installer :p
[05:51] <yuhuuuuu> ciao
[05:51] <yuhuuuuu> hi
[05:51] <lola_> ciao
[05:51] <lola_> yuhuuuuu,ciao
[05:52] <yuhuuuuu> wher are you from?
[05:52] <lola_> japan
[05:52] <yuhuuuuu> uau
[05:52] <yuhuuuuu> i have a question
[05:52] <yuhuuuuu> i've installed
[05:52] <yuhuuuuu> the italian kde-package
[05:53] <yuhuuuuu> to translate the kde in my languafe
[05:53] <lola_> haha
[05:53] <lola_> sono italiana anche io
[05:53] <yuhuuuuu> ah ecco
[05:53] <yuhuuuuu> -________-
[05:53] <yuhuuuuu> posso chiederti una cosa?
[05:53] <Jucato> !it | yuhuuuuu
[05:53] <ubotu> yuhuuuuu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:53] <lola_> guarda
[05:53] <lola_> ...
[05:53] <Kyl1> Hey, why would my keyboard stop working all of a sudden, for no reason?
[05:53] <lola_> nn so niente di linux
[05:53] <tapas> so is there any way to _really_ change kdm's ppearance on kubuntu feisty?
[05:53] <yuhuuuuu> ah
[05:53] <tapas> or am i suck with the default?
[05:54] <akrus> tapas: Control Center?
[05:54] <yuhuuuuu> lola come to ubuntu -it
[05:54] <tapas> akrus: yah, i can change as much as i want
[05:54] <tapas> akrus: it all gets overriddewn by the default kdm theme
[05:54] <akrus> o_O
[05:54] <tapas> [like my selected bg shows until the login screen shows] 
[05:54] <akrus> it's buggy anyway
[05:54] <tapas> then after hitting enter
[05:54] <akrus> Feisty is alpha :3
[05:54] <Kyl1> So, about that keyboard thing...
[05:54] <tapas> i have the exact same prob with 6.10
[05:55] <akrus> have you set 'Administrator Mode' -> on?
[05:55] <johey> I just bought myself a 1024 MB USB 2.0 memory stick. I plugged it in into my Kubuntu featured laptop and it automounted perfectly well. When I copied a 700 MB file to the partition, however, it took bloody 15 minutes. Is that normal, or is the device faulty? I do have ehci_hcd.ko loaded.
[05:55] <Kyl1> What's the issue?
[05:55] <tapas> akrus: doh. i couldn't change anything if not
[05:55] <tapas> akrus: and liek i said: the background shows for am oment
[05:55] <Jucato> !changethemes | tapas
[05:55] <ubotu> tapas: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[05:55] <tapas> then gets opverriden by the default one
[05:55] <Jucato> tapas: read the KDM Theme section
[05:55] <tapas> Jucato: ok
[05:56] <Kyl1> So, any ideas?
[05:59] <tapas> hah ok
[05:59] <tapas> there's no enable/disable theme button in the login manager editor in the system settings
[06:00] <tapas> and yes i have installed kdmthemes
[06:00] <Jucato> tapas: you didn't read the instructions
[06:00] <Jucato> not in the Login Manager. in the KDM THeme Manager in KControl (not System Settings)
[06:00] <tapas> Jucato: i did. mayube i didn't understand them. but read them i did
[06:00] <tapas> i will rereasd them
[06:01] <atidem> hello
[06:01] <tapas> ok, then the point is that there's no kdm theme manager module.. want a screenshot?
[06:01] <Jucato> tapas: did you install "kdmtheme" ?
[06:01] <atidem> who uses last version of amsn?
[06:01] <tapas> am i speaking kisuaheli?
[06:02] <tapas> 17:55 < tapas> and yes i have installed kdmthemes
[06:02] <Jucato> tapas: ok. give me a screenshot
[06:02] <tapas> Jucato: ok, hold on
[06:03] <atidem> I just added a new skin and there is a duplicate entry in list, can someone tell me if have the same problem?
[06:03] <atidem> thanks in advance
[06:03] <tapas> Jucato: http://affenbande.org/~tapas/kcontrol.png
[06:03] <tapas> Jucato: and excuse my sarcasm..  :)
[06:03] <phayke> I want to see a fox jumping over a lazy dog. :/
[06:04] <Jucato> tapas: <Jucato> not in the Login Manager. in the KDM THeme Manager in KControl (not System Settings)
[06:04] <tapas> Jucato: gnah
[06:04] <Daskreech2> How do I password protect a folder?
[06:04] <tapas> ok
[06:04] <tapas> i thought kubuntu replaced kcontrol with their system settings thingy
[06:05] <tapas> ok, talk about false assumptions
[06:05] <Jucato> but kcontrol still exists there
[06:05] <tapas> ok
[06:05] <Jucato> which the wiki I posted says...
[06:06] <tapas> Jucato: ah ok. kcontrol only knows 2 things here: network and peripherals. but i will reread again :)
[06:08] <Riddell> ** KDE 3.5.6 out, packages for edgy available
[06:08] <Daskreech2> Kubunut page updated?
[06:08] <Daskreech2> Kubuntu?
[06:09] <LjL> yes, www.kubuntu.org
[06:09] <eeos> Riddell it has not been announced on kde dot news!
[06:09] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[06:09] <Jucato> eeos: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.5.6.php
[06:09] <Jucato> bah the Dot is running late :)
[06:10] <eeos> I checked half an hour ago. it was not there!  :)
[06:10] <eeos>  it has not been announced on http://dot.kde.org/
[06:10] <eeos> Jucato I just synchronised
[06:10] <Jucato> which are you going to put more weight into? an official kde.org release announcement or a news article? :P
[06:11] <eeos> a news article? :D
[06:11] <Riddell> eeos: I update kubuntu.org before I publish the dot story
[06:11] <Riddell> anfd yes, kde.org is the canonical announcement
[06:11] <Jucato> eeos: dot.kde.org is a KDE News site. official announcements are on www.kde.org
[06:11] <ubuntu> hello
[06:12] <eeos> I thought we were leaving in a media age where the media are vene more relevant than reality, you know, "the television said it"
[06:12] <eeos> :P
[06:12] <Riddell> eeos: and I've published the dot story now
[06:12] <johey> Is there some nice way to install Kubuntu on a bootable USB stick?
[06:12] <Riddell> eeos: well, I can only update one website at a time, three at once is a bit much :)
[06:12] <akrus> does someone know how to change grub resolution & depth?
[06:12] <Jucato> Riddell: how are you able to do it all? :)
[06:12] <eeos> Riddell yes, let's buy two other sets of hands for JR!
[06:12] <LHaart> What program can I use for editing .py files in kubuntu_
[06:13] <LHaart> ?
[06:13] <LjL> a text editor ;)
[06:13] <LjL> kate will do i'm sure
[06:13] <eeos> how did the update go? is it smooth enough?
[06:13] <LHaart> I\m having problems running a .py file as root
[06:13] <LjL> what file and what problems
[06:14] <LHaart> validation.py, im h4xing my way through the "no root filesystem" problem :P
[06:16] <LjL> LHaart:  usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/validation.py
[06:16] <LjL> ?
[06:16] <LHaart> yep
[06:17] <LHaart> i have managed to open a terminal window with root@ubuntu
[06:18] <LjL> LHaart: well, somehow i'm not feeling too well with trying running it myself... what problems is it giving you? (of course you realize it's not normally meant to be executed directly)
[06:19] <LHaart> my problem is that i dont know the command for opening it with kate
[06:20] <eeos> Riddell Jucato did you see the change log, in particular kmail? very interesting! I am half the way through updating!
[06:20] <HymnToLife> LHaart, kate won't run if you're in a root terminal
[06:20] <eeos> well, really 28%
[06:20] <LHaart> in Ubntu I could use gedit, but that doesnt work in KDE as its a gnome program
[06:20] <HymnToLife> type exit to go back to your prompt and do kdesu kate /the/file/you/want/to/edit
[06:21] <eeos> LHaart use kate, kwrite or quanta
[06:21] <LHaart> k
[06:21] <jhutchins> or kedit
[06:21] <jhutchins> or gvim
[06:21] <frojnd> Where can I report a bug ..
[06:21] <dwidmann> oh, so it's out :O
[06:21] <frojnd> I have problems setting up layout for slovene (si) keyboard
[06:21] <dwidmann> http://www.launchpad.net http://bugs.kde.org
[06:23] <dysmann> Hello, me, I have a question to : How could I turn my wifi up at Kubuntu start automaticaly?
[06:23] <LHaart> got it to work :)
[06:23] <frojnd> can someone direct me in which section do I have to put this: "layout doesnt work" ? at http://bugs.kde.org
[06:24] <dysmann> got it to work :) => what ?
[06:25] <LHaart> editing validation.py
[06:25] <dima2001> dysmann: try network-manager (knetwork-manager)
[06:26] <dysmann> Yes, but I'm new here, I don't know what is that...
[06:27] <dima2001> it is a user-space daemon which should configure your wireless connection with ease (but don't ask me if it can connect automatically, all nets I visit have private essid and therefore I couldn't test if it autoreconnects on startup)
[06:27] <dysmann> I going to try
[06:27] <wilman> any free directx comming to linux soon?
[06:27] <dima2001> basically it is a tray-icon
[06:27] <dima2001> you click it and select a wireless network to connect to :)
[06:27] <dima2001> wilman: iirc wine provides a free directx implementation
[06:27] <dwidmann> Ouch, this upgrade is gonna take a 288MB download :O
[06:28] <dysmann> Yes but at the kubuntu start? I'm using wlassiistant
[06:28] <wilman> dima2001:  you mean winex?
[06:28] <dysmann> no, wireless assistant.
[06:28] <dima2001> wilman: wine reimplemented directx, too
[06:28] <wilman> ooh
[06:28] <wilman> that is nice
[06:29] <wilman> cause i don't like the payment of winex
[06:29] <dima2001> dysmann: all you have to do is to put a link to knetworkmanager into /home/username/.kde/Autostart
[06:29] <dima2001> wilman: last time I tried wine it was to start guildwars and it worked with the exception that the mouse pointer was invisible :) should be fixed now
[06:30] <dima2001> it was october or something like that
[06:30] <wilman> ok ;)
[06:30] <wilman> nice
[06:30] <dysmann> dima2001 > ok
[06:30] <dysmann> I'm going to configure this prog
[06:31] <tapas> http://tapas.affenbande.org/kcontrol.png
[06:31] <tapas> that's now really kcontrol
[06:31] <dysmann> dima2001>cannot run this program
[06:32] <dysmann> it don't exist
[06:32] <dima2001> dysmann: sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager , then open in your konqueror window /usr/bin/ and in a second one ~/.kde/Autostart and drag the knetworkmanager icon there and create a link (~ is a synonym for your home folder)
[06:32] <dima2001> (do the sudo thing in konsole)
[06:32] <dysmann> ok
[06:35] <dysmann> dima2001> is exist a folder to run knetworkmanager for all users at kubuntu starting ?
[06:35] <tapas> hardware database: sound test.. i hear no sound.. my sound system is perfectly working though
[06:36] <dima2001> dysmann: hmm, it is a userspace utility and therefore every user has to start it manually, I think...
[06:36] <dima2001> it is not a central service
[06:37] <dysmann> ok
[06:37] <dima2001> dysmann: I could write you a small script which would add a link to users automatically, if you need it
[06:37] <dima2001> it is a matter of a few lines
[06:38] <eeos> is there any version of argoUML for kubuntu?
[06:38] <dysmann> Yes, if you want.. thank you !
[06:39] <dima2001> dysmann: I do not have time right now, but I think in 30 minutes I should be able to sit myself at it.
[06:39] <dysmann> it's perfect !
[06:39] <dysmann> thank you !
[06:40] <animimotus> kde 3.5.6 has beeing released for kubuntu ?
[06:40] <dima2001> dysmann: I will message you :)
[06:40] <dysmann> else, It connect automaticaly at its start up, knetworkmanager ?
[06:40] <dwidmann> animimotus: yes
[06:40] <dysmann> dima2001 ok!
[06:41] <dwidmann> animimotus: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main
[06:41] <animimotus> cool, thx
[06:41] <m1291> I have installed Frostwire but it never starts up, can someone plz help me out?
[06:41] <animimotus> dwidmann: you have made the distri-update ?
[06:41] <dwidmann> animimotus: I'm working on it
[06:42] <animimotus> ok :)
[06:42] <dwidmann> animimotus: for me, with the extra packages I have installed ... it's coming in at about 288mb
[06:42] <sb9> does anyone know a tool i can use to save a system image ?
[06:42] <m1291> I have installed Frostwire but it never starts up, can someone plz help me out?
[06:45] <underdog5004> m1291, how did you install it?
[06:45] <m1291> apt get
[06:45] <dysmann> sorry, I had a connection problem
[06:45] <underdog5004> m1291, sudo apt-get install frostwire?
[06:45] <m1291> yes
[06:45] <underdog5004> hmmm
[06:45] <underdog5004> lemme do that too
[06:45] <underdog5004> brb
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm ... some of these fancy desktop-eye-candy things are starting to look.. interesting --->  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11dzi_mandriva-linux-2007-depth-perceptio
[06:46] <m1291> it loads but dont start up
[06:46] <frojnd> hello there has someone ever had problems with keyboard layouts? I cant change it from us to si, couse I am from slovenia and with us layout I cant wrote letters like: ,,, not to mention that half of letters cant find like apostroph, afna etc...
[06:46] <Dr_willis> run it from the terminal and see if any error messages show up
[06:47] <underdog5004> m1291, I did an apt-cache search for it, and I couldn't find it....
[06:47] <underdog5004> do what Dr_willis said
[06:47] <frojnd> Note this: During edgy installation I chose si and everything worked fine untill I havent change settings for monitor with command: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:48] <frojnd> has anyone Idea how to solve that one?
[06:49] <seby> irc.criten.net
[06:49] <dwidmann> frojnd: there should be a backup xorg.conf file, compare it with your current and see if there's anything to do with keyboard model that has changed
[06:49] <m1291> how do i set layerbreak in k3b?
[06:49] <ScarFreewill> !kbfx
[06:49] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.1+20060611cvs-1 (edgy), package size 593 kB, installed size 1596 kB
[06:50] <eeos> finish updating to kde 3.5.6
[06:51] <ScarFreewill> can some one help me install http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=44643 and http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=41161
[06:51] <m1291> layerbreak for double layer dvds, where do i set that in k3b?
[06:51] <dwidmann> I would assume that k3b is smart enough to handle that automatically
[06:52] <n8k99> 3.5.6 is bug fixes, right?
[06:52] <me_> is there a way to greate flash animations with linux? or to use the flash program from adobe?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  about 2 weeks ago a bunch of us were messing with KBFX - and trying to get it to load/see other themes.. and it was a utter disaster.
[06:52] <ScarFreewill> *create
[06:53] <dwidmann> n8k99: yeah
[06:53] <eeos> n8k99 more than that read the changelog!
[06:53] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  not sure what the deal was.. but 4 of us in here couldent get it working...
[06:53] <m1291> dwidmann, i nedd to change it to 1913760
[06:53] <m1291> *need
[06:53] <me_> ups ^^ sry
[06:53] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: can you tell me at lest where i should paste those files?
[06:53] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  thats the problem.. we installed the files where they should go.. and even then the program wouldent set up the theme right.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  the kbfx controlcenter/perferances has a setting for what dir to put them in.. you could put them anywhere.. as long as you tell kbfx where to look.
[06:54] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  but we had it seeing the themes.. it just wouldent load them.
[06:54] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: ok
[06:55] <n8k99> thanks
[06:55] <dwidmann> n8k99, should be a changelog over at www.kde.org
[06:55] <dwidmann> in fact, I read it a few days ago, I just don't have the exact link at the moment
[06:56] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: i'll see if i can get it to do any thing,,,
[06:56] <Dr_willis> ScarFreewill,  good luck. you will need it. ;)
[06:56] <n8k99> dwidmann thanx
[06:57] <elyon225> I'm having a hard time installing the ATI drivers... I first tried doing the installer's "Distribution Specific" package, but that wouldn't allow me to enable direct rendering and gave me some strange vendor name (Tungsten).  Now, I can't install the regular ATI... it still says Tungstren.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  what video card?
[06:58] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Radeon 9600
[06:58] <malik> hey guyz when i try to connect to dalnet on irc it says i have open proxy on my system or somethin..........any workaround for that?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> ive normally just followed the !ati wiki page. an gotten it working for my 9700, and X200M
[06:58] <Dr_willis> that should also work for the 9600
[06:58] <dima2001> dysmann: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2883/ . I commented it so you know what the script is doing. Hopefully it works (but it at least did for my username). Save it into a file, e.g. autonetworkmanager.py and then do from console: sudo python autonetworkmanager.py alice bob charlie if alice bob and charlie are the names you want to add the symlinks to
[06:58] <lordhaart> hmm, how do i install a .deb package? cant remember :p
[06:58] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Yeah, I usually do too...
[06:58] <dwidmann> lordhaart: dpkg --install <filename>
[06:58] <Dr_willis> to enable dri.. i was thinking you had to change a line in the xorg.conf, and also i had to reboot to kick the driver in the head the first time. :)
[06:59] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I guess I'll try that again.  But the thing is, when I first installed Kubuntu, whatever driver it installed worked perfectly... even allowed Composite rendering.
[06:59] <dima2001> dysmann: you can also do sudo python autonetworkmanager.py `ls /home` to add just to all usernames
[06:59] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  that would of been the ati driver - is my guess.
[06:59] <dysmann> ok
[06:59] <elyon225> Dr_willis: But every other time I've used the ATI driver, I needed to disable Composite in order for "Direct Rendering" to work.
[06:59] <dima2001> :)
[07:00] <Dr_willis> I do recall some edit to the xorg.conf to disable composite.
[07:00] <dysmann> dima2001> is the knetwork manager need root ?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> I dont have an ati machine handy to check. so cant help ya much more
[07:00] <dima2001> dysmann: no
[07:00] <n8k99> oh looks like I'll get it soon anyways
[07:00] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Happen to have an extra nvidia card lying around?  ATI has been nothing but trouble (even their Windows driver support sucks)
[07:01] <dima2001> dysmann: that's the greatest part about it :)
[07:01] <dysmann> dima2001 > it connect also without root, it's perfect !
[07:01] <n8k99> 3.5.6 has yet to make it into feisty
[07:01] <dysmann> thank you very much
[07:01] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  thats why i dont have an ati box now.. friend updated his nvidia box.. and gave me his 5500 card. :)
[07:01] <dwidmann> n8k99: it'll get there soon
[07:01] <dima2001> dysmann: no problem :)
[07:01] <elyon225> haha, nice.
[07:01] <n8k99> yeah - I'll probably see an new update for it tomorrow dwidmann
[07:02] <elyon225> Maybe I should start making friends that at least know how to turn ON a computer ;)
[07:02] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  ive had very good luck with my 9700  in the last few months.. :) after years of pain...
[07:02] <n8k99> that's usually how it works out
[07:02] <Dr_willis> but the fans were startingto go out, in it. ;)
[07:02] <dwidmann> elyon225: ahahaha!!
[07:02] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Do you know how to revert back to the original driver used for installation of Kubuntu?
[07:02] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  not sure if you isntalled the atiwhatever.run script.. if it has a uninstall thing or not.
[07:03] <dysmann> dima2001> so I save it to filename.py and run it to a terminal ?
[07:03] <elyon225> dwidmann: Seriously... the only friends I have bought top of the line, cutting edge computers and all they do is play solitaire.  And I'm stuck with this piece of junk
[07:03] <Dr_willis> elyon225, i always backup my xorg.conf :) could change it back to using the ati driver.
[07:03] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  install ssh on their box's and use them for.. err...  rendering farms! :)
[07:03] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Well, I'm using the ati driver now, but fglrxinfo still displays a different vendor.
[07:03] <dwidmann> elyon225: irony strikes again
[07:04] <dima2001> dysmann: yes, you save the text of the script into filename.py and then do from the terminal sudo python filename.py a list of usernames . It will then add links into usernames' autostart folders itself
[07:04] <elyon225> dwidmann: Heh, story of my life.  I had an old DOS box, trying to squeeze every bit of power out of it, while everyone I knew bought brand new systems with Windows 95... just to play minesweeper.  :)  Eh, but this is offtopic, so I'll stop ranting.
[07:05] <dima2001> e.g. sudo filename.py alice bob charlie
[07:05] <dima2001> and it will create knetworkmanager link in /home/alice/.kde/Autostart, /home/bob ... and /home/charlie
[07:06] <elyon225> Perhaps I could talk my mother into buying a new nvidia card if Linux keeps crashing :)  She's still pissed that I got rid of all my pirated software, though.  Hehe, you try to do the right thing and bam!
[07:06] <Dr_willis> Theres some nice low end nvidia cards in the $50 range.
[07:06] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Similar at least to the 9600?
[07:07] <dwidmann> get yourself a 6600gt or something for about $50ish
[07:07] <Dr_willis> given that 'low end' now a days - is  like what was TOP end 2-3 years ago.
[07:07] <Dr_willis> I would think a 6600 nvidia would beat a 9600
[07:07] <Dr_willis> I would think a 6600 nvidia would beat a 9600ati. (i mean)
[07:07] <dwidmann> I think a geforce 6600gt would match an x1800 in a linux environment
[07:08] <dwidmann> or come close to it
[07:08] <elyon225> Alright, well once work picks up and I'm making some money again, I'll definitely go for it.
[07:08] <dwidmann> just because the ati drivers are so poor ...
[07:08] <elyon225> I'm so afraid that I'm going to end up with all those crashes I had before reinstalling Kubuntu...
[07:08] <lordhaart> gah
[07:08] <windwalker> Hi, stdin :)
[07:08] <lordhaart> how can i get adept to install opera for me?
[07:08] <elyon225> ...when I reinstalled, I didn't have to install any video drivers and the crashes didn't happen.  Now I'm installing the old drivers I used before that were causing constant system lockups.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> !opera
[07:08] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[07:09] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin :)
[07:09] <lordhaart> wow :o
[07:09] <Dr_willis> I try to like/use opera... but its just... so.. weird in ways.. :)
[07:09] <[StingRay] > Can somebody help me export a display from a remote machine?
[07:10] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  you sshing over to the remote box?
[07:10] <dwidmann> elyon225: if you aren't caring about 3d performance, use the open source "ati" or "radeon" driver. I doubt they'll crash you.
[07:11] <[StingRay] > Dr_willis
[07:11] <[StingRay] > yes
[07:11] <lordhaart> hmm, if i double click on a .deb, it only shows me the content
[07:11] <[StingRay] > I am with the same user on the remote machine
[07:11] <elyon225> dwidmann: Well, we play a lot of games in this house... so 3D performance is somewhat of an issue.
[07:11] <lordhaart> doesnt start an installer
[07:11] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  use ssh -X  then, you shouldent have to exort the stuff.
[07:11] <[StingRay] > ok , I will do this Dr_willis
[07:12] <Dr_willis> lordhaart,  dpkg -i whatever.deb
[07:12] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: lol i've got the app to load so long :P (kbfx)
[07:12] <dwidmann> elyon225: if stability is also an issue, well, can't have your cake and eat it too
[07:12] <dysmann> dima2001> I can't run filename.py...
[07:12] <elyon225> dwidmann: That's a shame, because I could in Windows :P
[07:12] <dima2001> dysmann: how and where did you save the script?
[07:13] <dima2001> did you copy the script from the link I gave you into a file?
[07:13] <elyon225> dwidmann: Of course, the cake was moldy as hell in Windows... but still
[07:13] <dwidmann> Hahahah!
[07:13] <Dr_willis> FruitCake
[07:13] <dima2001> dysmann: save this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2883/plain/ as a file in your home folder
[07:13] <dwidmann> dysmann: sudo python filename.py
[07:14] <dysmann> I copied the script to autowifi.py in /home/myuser/
[07:14] <lordhaart>  is Gdebi a gnome command?
[07:14] <dima2001> so do sudo python /home/myuser/autowifi.py and append space-separated list of usernames to it
[07:15] <dima2001> lordhaart: it is a gnome app, you have to install it manually
[07:15] <lordhaart> and how?:p
[07:15] <dima2001> or better to say: it is an ubuntu app :)
[07:15] <dima2001> sudo apt-get install gdebi
[07:15] <lordhaart> ah
[07:15] <dima2001> (or from kynaptic/adept/synaptic) :)
[07:15] <dima2001> you can then bind it to .deb packages from kde
[07:15] <dysmann> ok, it's all right
[07:16] <dima2001> dysmann: great :)
[07:16] <dysmann> thank you
[07:16] <[StingRay] > Dr_willis, I did ssh -X myuser@myremoteip, then I did export DISPLAY=mylocalIP:0.0  (I did on the local machine "xhost +myremoteIP") The result is "(gksudo:3783): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[07:16] <dima2001> dysmann: you're welcome
[07:16] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: need to talk to you went not to busy...
[07:17] <lordhaart> "E: Unable to lock the administration directory /var/lib/dpkg/lock - pen (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[07:17] <[StingRay] > Dr_willis these are 2 ubuntus with kubuntu-desktop and kdm as default WM
[07:17] <lordhaart> open*
[07:18] <yelonek> hi, i got problem with flv files - there is no sound
[07:18] <dysmann> with vlc ?
[07:18] <yelonek> other things, like mp3s, movies are ok, just youtube and alike are soundless
[07:19] <yelonek> dysmann: don't know what's main player for flv, I'm just opening website with Opera
[07:19] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  normally when you use ssh -X - you do NOT need to 'export' stuff.  its possible the ssh server on the remote box is overriding the -X option
[07:19] <yelonek> dysmann: also downloaded files from youtube and opened it with Kaffeine
[07:19] <lordhaart> What does this mean?
[07:19] <lordhaart> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[07:20] <yelonek> dysmann: on both xine and mplayer
[07:20] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  is this over a lan? or the internet?
[07:20] <dysmann> and the sound work
[07:20] <Dr_willis> lordhaart,  just what it says. you got 2 programs running tha tare both trying to do  package-manageing functions. thats not allowed.
[07:20] <yelonek> dysmann: no, it didn't
[07:20] <[StingRay] > vpn (internet) Dr_willis. I see my machines 1:1, no port restrictions
[07:20] <Dr_willis> lordhaart,  close all the adept/apt/other stuff..
[07:20] <yelonek> everything else is fine, just flv is soundless
[07:21] <dysmann> yelonek: try vlc ?
[07:21] <lordhaart> thnx dr_willis
[07:21] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  interesting.. ive never used VPN. but depending on the ssh server/client settings. You should just be able to ssh to the remote box, and run (for example) xterm & and it should show up locally
[07:21] <[StingRay] > Dr_willis I have X11forwarding enabled in ssh on both sides
[07:22] <[StingRay] > very strange, Dr_willis I will try "xhost +"
[07:22] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  the xhost + and export stuff was needed when i use telnet ages ago..  then i still used them when i switched to ssh.. until i learned better
[07:22] <cotui> sala en espaol
[07:23] <yelonek> dysmann: I'm gonna dl and try it
[07:23] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  i do recall some use of a ssh-agent program.. but i aint read up on ssh in ages...
[07:23] <dwidmann> looks like I'm out of bandwidth for the next 8-12 hours :( halfway done with my upgrade ...
[07:23] <[StingRay] > ok Dr_willis, I will go for vnc or freenx :)
[07:24] <dysmann> yelonek> ok, talk to me if it (doesn't) work
[07:24] <dysmann> if anybody want a frensh help...
[07:24] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  http://www.cisl.ucar.edu/docs/ssh/guide/node29.html
[07:24] <cotui> sala en espaol
[07:24] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  mentions the problem
[07:24] <elyon225> Well, I followed the steps in BinaryHowTo/ATI, but nothing has changed... still using some strange Tungsten driver....
[07:24] <[StingRay] > thanks Dr_willis
[07:24] <dysmann> Si quelqu'un a besoin d'aide...
[07:24] <elyon225> ...and direct rendering is still No.
[07:25] <cotui> sala en espaol por favol
[07:26] <ScarFreewill> Dr_willis: i've got one of those 2 loaded in kbfx
[07:26] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:26] <LjL> cotui: i've had enough
[07:27] <[StingRay] > Dr_willis :) superb, I was overriding "localhost:10.0" with mine "export DISPLAY=remoteIP:0.0". Thanks again :)
[07:27] <nihil_sum> What's the command to start a process from the Konsole without blocking the Konsole until it exits?
[07:27] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  heh - i cant get it working on my mythtv box.. heh :)
[07:27] <phayke> So who was the charlatan behind making Shift-Backspace the shortcut for logout, and how can I restore order?
[07:28] <dima2001> nihil_sum: try to append a &, it will start the process in the background
[07:28] <phayke> It's gotten me 8 times today, one of them was ironically the last time I tried typing for help in here.
[07:28] <nihil_sum> Thanks.
[07:29] <genii> halt
[07:29] <dima2001> ouch
[07:29] <dima2001> :)
[07:29] <ScarFreewill> what the?
[07:29] <phayke> yes, ouch.
[07:29] <dima2001> netsplit :D
[07:29] <phayke> Netsplit.
[07:29] <LjL> !netsplit
[07:29] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[07:29] <phayke> It's God's way of kicking idlers.
[07:30] <dwidmann> but y'know they'll just auto-reconnect anyway, because they oh so love idling
[07:30] <phayke> :[ yeah
[07:30] <phayke> Voyeurists.
[07:31] <nihil_sum> I idle because my IRC client likes to just hide itself when I tell it to close.
[07:31] <lordhaart> how can i set up my mouse so that the back and forth buttons work?
[07:31] <kosta_> !e
[07:31] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[07:31] <phayke> I idle, but only in places where I'm known and welcome.
[07:31] <kosta_> !de
[07:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[07:32] <dysmann> yelonek> I'm going to have dinner
[07:32] <lordhaart> !no
[07:32] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[07:33] <phayke> So how would I go about changing my logout hotkey to something less...easy?
[07:33] <phayke> It baffles me how someone would need to logout so quickly that they would need a shortcut with two of the most commonly used keys.
[07:34] <dwidmann> phayke, probably settings configure shortcuts, or similar
[07:34] <lontra> is it possible to use the opensuse 10.2 menu w/ kubuntu?  i'm thinking of moving my machine from opensuse to kubuntu
[07:34] <phayke> Ah, it was under keyboard-mouse.
[07:34] <phayke> Thanks.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> lombra,  that menu is one of the first things i disabled under opensuse.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:35] <dwidmann> lontra: I think there's a kickstart deb somewhere around here
[07:35] <Dr_willis> I really disliked all the changes opensuse did to kde and gnome.
[07:35] <Tm_T> lontra: And you can always compile it yourself.
[07:36] <genii> halt
[07:36] <genii> bah :)
[07:36] <lontra> Dr_willis: i like the kerry search feature
[07:36] <kyl1> Hey hey
[07:36] <kyl1> WHat's goin? on?
[07:37] <Tm_T> Weird thing called life.
[07:37] <kyl1> My keyboard stopped working in Kubuntu. Does anyone know what might cause this?
[07:37] <nihil_sum> Is it possible to specify which KDE desktop you want a program to open on from the Konsole?
[07:37] <Theory> nihil_sum: look into kstart
[07:37] <nihil_sum> Thanks.
[07:37] <dwidmann> kyl1: faulty keyboard?
[07:37] <kyl1> No, it works perfect in Gnome, and Xfce.
[07:38] <kyl1> perfectly*
[07:38] <Tm_T> nihil_sum: There is a way, but can't remember the magic.
[07:38] <yelonek> dysmann: flv is okay with vlc now, now all i have to do is to make Opera open flv with wxvlc
[07:38] <dwidmann> kyl1: probably some kde config or another is messed up
[07:38] <phayke> :/ no good. Logout without confirmation is shown as ctrl-alt-shift-delete. But I swear it's shift-backspace.
[07:38] <kyl1> And would it have anything to do with libcairo2 not being able to update?
[07:39] <phayke> would xgl or beryl be messing with that?
[07:39] <kyl1> Well, I don't know.
[07:39] <dima2001> hmm, some of my apps have German locale although they should be Russian ... :)
[07:39] <dwidmann> phayke, I've heard of that occurring while using xgl, or beryl, or something, but otherwise not
[07:39] <kyl1> It's just another error. But that's it.
[07:39] <dwidmann> In fact, I think it was XGL
[07:39] <dwidmann> in particular
[07:39] <phayke> Is there a way to work around it?
[07:39] <kyl1> About the keyboard, dwidmann?
[07:39] <dwidmann> phayke, yes, but I don't remember what it was
[07:39] <kyl1> I am using Xfce now.
[07:40] <phayke> Perhaps switching backspace and the + button?
[07:40] <kyl1> ?
[07:40] <phayke> I suppose that wouldn't change much since they have the same function anyway.
[07:40] <kyl1> But the thing is, the caps lock num lock, and scroll lock don't work. The lights don't even turn on.
[07:40] <dwidmann> phayke, it was some odd command or another I thought, search the ubuntuforums for "shift + backspace" or similar, should be able to find something
[07:40] <phayke> I got it on google. :)
[07:41] <kyl1> It's like kubuntu doesn't even load the keyboard driver.
[07:41] <dwidmann> kyl1: Try playing with the things in systemsettings -> keyboard
[07:41] <kyl1> I did.
[07:41] <kyl1> There isn't any related to my problem. I switched languages, and keyboard layouts, nada.
[07:41] <dwidmann> odd.
[07:41] <kyl1> Yeah.
[07:42] <kyl1> Hmmm
[07:42] <dwidmann> kyl1, one way to find out if it's something in the user configuration
[07:42] <dwidmann> set up a new user, log in to that user in kde, the keyboard will either work or it won't
[07:43] <kyl1> Hmm
[07:43] <kyl1> Ok, i'll try it.
[07:45] <mikejanssen> i dont know what i like more...kde or gde...= X
[07:47] <smaggard> kde is way bettuh
[07:47] <dwidmann> lontra: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280552&highlight=kickoff
[07:48] <bluechip_> anyone knwo what might be the problem if iam trying to compile a program and the ./configure command dosent work
[07:48] <LjL> !doesn't work
[07:48] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[07:48] <mikejanssen> how is it bettah
[07:48] <mikejanssen> explain
[07:48] <dima2001> bluechip_: usually some libraries or developer packages are missing
[07:49] <dima2001> the configure script should tell you what package is missing, usually you have to install {packagename}-dev ones to compile an application
[07:49] <dwidmann> bluechip, another possibility is that you got it from cvs (or something)and a configure file doesn't even exist yet
[07:50] <bluechip_> rite thanks, ill take a look at it
[07:50] <dima2001> bluechip_: in case of doubt, pastebin the last few lines
[07:51] <dope> what's the command to show your harddrives?
[07:52] <dope> partitions
[07:52] <Dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l
[07:52] <bluechip_> am i right in thinking there should be an actual file with the source called configure in order to compile in the way iam trying ?
[07:52] <dope> how do i see the actual sizes
[07:53] <dope> like mb left
[07:53] <Dr_willis> df -h
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Bash/Linux 101 day here on #kubuntu  :)
[07:54] <Dr_willis> and class is over.. i got to go to work.
[07:54] <dope> nice, that was it
[07:54] <Dr_willis> byeee.
[07:54] <dwidmann> bye
[07:54] <Dr_willis> try ------>  df -h -x tmpfs -x usbfs
[07:54] <Dr_willis> looks nicer
[07:55] <Dr_willis> make it an alias. :)
[07:55] <Dr_willis> thats your homework
[07:55] <dope> :|
[07:55] <dope> my alias is dope
[07:56] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:56] <dwidmann> alias df="df -h -x tmpfs -x usbfs"
[07:59] <slyfox> What is a good Desktop search program I can use ?
[07:59] <tabas> does someone have an idea how to install ubuntu into a folder?
[08:00] <LjL> tabas: sorry...?
[08:01] <kosta_> !de
[08:01] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:01] <tabas> ubiquity only scans for harddisks. But i want to install (k)ubuntu into a folder and not on a device, because i will mount root over nfs.
[08:01] <dima2001> hmm, is there some kind of a kde app as a frontend for alsa (like alsamixer)?
[08:02] <dima2001> funky enough I dont have the sound icon in the tray :)
[08:02] <bluechip_> anyone know of a comprehensive guide to compileing programs ?
[08:03] <tabas> dima2001: kmix
[08:03] <LjL> Ubotu, tell bluechip_ about compile | bluechip_, see the private message from Ubotu
[08:04] <LjL> tabas: if that's going to work, which i somehow doubt... but i don't know. what about installing it in a virtual machine and then copying?
[08:04] <dima2001> tabas: thanks
[08:04] <tabas> dima2001: np
[08:04] <LjL> tabas, you might be interested in
[08:05] <LjL> Ubotu, tell tabas about nfsboot | tabas, see the private message from Ubotu
[08:05] <LjL> Ubotu, tell tabas about nfsbooted | tabas, see the private message from Ubotu
[08:05] <kubuntian1> hello
[08:06] <slyfox> What is a good Desktop search program I can use ?
[08:06] <tabas> LjL: Thx i will try
[08:06] <kubuntian1> could i ask you a question? i wanted to change the theme of my KDE. I went in kcontrol but there are very few so i downloaded a kdeartwork-theme-window. However in kcontrol theme manager i still see only the "default" one, why?
[08:06] <dwidmann> apart from that, you could probably use chroot into the folder, and set it up with debootstrap
[08:07] <dima2001> slyfox: beagle
[08:08] <dwidmann> !info kerry | slyfox
[08:08] <ubotu> kerry: a KDE frontend for the Beagle desktop search daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 150 kB, installed size 776 kB
[08:09] <slyfox> dwidmann: kerry or beagle ? Because kerry is beagle for KDE
[08:09] <dwidmann> take your pick?
[08:11] <slyfox> dwidmann: Which one would you recommend ?
[08:11] <sredna> Hi
[08:12] <sredna> How can I get the kde upgrade to behave?
[08:12] <sredna> There are dependancy issues :(
[08:12] <mhb> hi all
[08:13] <mhb> how do I set the SMB workgroup of my workstation which uses Samba Sharing?
[08:13] <mhb> I mean: is it possible through a GUI?
[08:15] <dwidmann> slyfox: i've never used either, so I guess I can't really say
[08:15] <FFIXXX> hi i am having trouble playing a dvd
[08:15] <FFIXXX> it plays under mandriva
[08:16] <slyfox> mhb: maybe this will help http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=780766&highlight=ubuntu
[08:16] <FFIXXX> i installed libdvdcss2 and everything with dvd from the repos
[08:16] <sredna> Ah, a local problem
[08:16] <dwidmann> FFIXXX: what player are you using?
[08:16] <FFIXXX> kaffeine
[08:16] <FFIXXX> tried both xine and mplayer
[08:17] <dwidmann> try running them in a terminal, start it like this: "kaffeine dvd://"
[08:17] <mhb> slyfox: thanks
[08:17] <slyfox> mhb: remember this one too http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=337482
[08:17] <dwidmann> it will probably gie you an error ffixxx, let us know which one
[08:17] <sredna> But apt SUCKS
[08:17] <dwidmann> sredna: bologny!
[08:17] <koli> hello
[08:17] <koli> everybody
[08:17] <sredna> I can't remove the package creating the problem, apt just complains about the problem instead
[08:18] <koli> how do i add the xgl effects to kubuntu edge
[08:18] <sredna> dwidmann: ALL package mangers SUCKS
[08:18] <FFIXXX> The source can't be read.
[08:18] <FFIXXX> Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/dvd)
[08:18] <chovy> how come when I go to "administration mode" nothing happens?
[08:18] <chovy> just a blank red box.
[08:18] <FFIXXX> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd://] 
[08:18] <FFIXXX> xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd://] 
[08:18] <FFIXXX> xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator
[08:18] <dwidmann> sredna: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo dpkg --purge problempackage
[08:18] <tabas> LjL: The Packages nfsboot and nfsbooted dont help
[08:18] <sredna> dwidmann: apt-get -f install fails because of that problem
[08:19] <kosta_> !de
[08:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:19] <sredna> As I said, it is a POS
[08:19] <dwidmann> sredna: and what of dpkg --purge?
[08:19] <sredna> Let me try
[08:19] <LjL> tabas the only thing that comes to my mind is installing via a virtual machine - or in a chroot, but i'm not very familiar with that tbh
[08:19] <sredna> Taht worked
[08:20] <sredna> But its horrible
[08:20] <dwidmann> sredna: how's it horrible?
[08:20] <sredna> It freakin doesn't work
[08:20] <tabas> LjL: I need a way how to tell ubiquity where to install the basesystem and not on which device
[08:21] <sredna> One needs to do all sorts of hokuspokus to fix it
[08:21] <LjL> tabas: i got that, but i don't *think* there is such a way
[08:21] <LjL> that's why i'm suggesting a virtual machine
[08:21] <LjL> i can't *exclude* that there is a way, either
[08:21] <LjL> tabas: and *if* there is a way, it's surely not in ubiquity - so try the alternate CD instead
[08:21] <LjL> (or the minimal cd for that matter)
[08:22] <FFIXXX> dwidmann: any ideas?
[08:22] <tabas> LjL: im downloading the cd atime
[08:22] <FFIXXX> i tried vlc also and it doesnt play either
[08:22] <tabas> LjL: thx
[08:22] <dwidmann> the only way I can think of that would work in a way that you could specify a directory on the other side of the network would be using chroot + debootstrap ...
[08:22] <dwidmann> FFIXXXX: I've seen it before, but can't remember how to solve it
[08:22] <FFIXXX> :(
[08:22] <LjL> tabas: which one? i really suggest the minimal, so you don't waste bandwidth for nothing if it turns out it won't do it
[08:23] <dwidmann> FFIXXX: I'll need to think about it .. I've done it before, repeatedly
[08:24] <LjL> dwidmann, tabas: well keep in mind that with the minimal/alternate CD you have a console, so you can always try tricks such as unmounting /media/whatever-the-installer-thinks-is-the-right-partition and remounting it as something else
[08:25] <dwidmann> true, true
[08:25] <FFIXXX> maybe fstab?
[08:25] <dwidmann> FFIXXX, lets see if I can dig up the thread I did on that once on UF ...
[08:26] <FFIXXX> for some reason I cannot browse the root :s
[08:26] <FFIXXX> only home and media
[08:26] <LjL> !hidden | FFIXXX
[08:26] <ubotu> FFIXXX: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[08:27] <dima2001> where does kopete load custom emoticons into? I seem not to be able to find the themes in ~ :(
[08:27] <FFIXXX> ah thanks i changed from xubuntu to kubuntu
[08:27] <FFIXXX> i prefer seeing all stuff, it's more kde like....
[08:27] <firecrotch> dima2001: I believe it would be in ~/.kopete
[08:28] <dima2001> firecrotch: I thought that, too, but there is no ~/.kopete here :/ and in ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete there is some garbage (or maybe i didnt investigate it properly)
[08:29] <akrus> where's KDE 3.5.6 for Feisty? T_T
[08:29] <firecrotch> dima2001: it's probably somewhere in that "garbage"
[08:30] <sredna> dwidmann: Thanks anyways
[08:30] <sredna> At least I got my instalol fixed
[08:30] <dwidmann> *nod*
[08:30] <dima2001> ok, I will look harder :) thanks
[08:30] <dwidmann> akrus, they probably have a bit of work to do for it to feisty, or something, if it's not there already
[08:31] <akrus> dwidmann: it's just always released before Edgy :)
[08:31] <sredna> I still find apt frustrating
[08:32] <akrus> anyway hope it'll be available when I get up
[08:32] <tabas> LjL dwidmann: when i understand it right, the minimal is the cd and its size is about 600MB?
[08:32] <sredna> How can I convince it to tell me why a package is not upgraded??
[08:32] <bronze_0_1> is there a jave run time for kubuntu?
[08:32] <bronze_0_1> *Java
[08:32] <Varjat_by> bronze_0_1: Yes, it is
[08:33] <bronze_0_1> Varjat_by: do you know the name of the package?
[08:33] <dwidmann> minimal is far less tabas, IIRC
[08:33] <dima2001> bronze_0_1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[08:33] <Varjat_by> As I remember it installed by default if ypu install system from SD
[08:33] <firecrotch> dima2001: Try /usr/share/apps
[08:33] <bronze_0_1> firefox seems to not be aware of it
[08:33] <dima2001> firecrotch: a second ago I found it :) it was just ~/.kde/share/emoticons
[08:33] <Varjat_by> Try "java -version"
[08:34] <akrus> oh btw
[08:34] <akrus> does someone have Card Reader?
[08:34] <firecrotch> dima2001: Ah, okay.  I hate how things are spread out like that, a bunch of kopete stuff in /usr/share/apps, etc
[08:34] <Varjat_by> For firefox you have additionaly add simlink in firefox plug-in durectory
[08:34] <dima2001> yeah, me, too
[08:34] <dwidmann> FFIXXX: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234007&page=5&highlight=libdvdcss2
[08:35] <Varjat_by> Use google to find how to do this
[08:35] <chovy> bluetooth doesn't work
[08:35] <FFIXXX> dwidmann: thanks I I will have a read and hopes it fixes stuff
[08:38] <Varjat_by> I have updated Edgy with 2.6.17-10-386 kernel. But I olso have Athlon-1700 processor. In previous versions of kernel was the posibbility to install k7 kernel image. But at now i have only "generic" kernel
[08:38] <Varjat_by> as alternavive...
[08:38] <Varjat_by> What is the "generic" kernel?
[08:39] <dwidmann> varjat: what does uname -m tell you? I'm pretty sure the 32-bit generic is a 686 kernel ...
[08:40] <dwidmann> and generic is just that, generic ... processor specific kernels only make a nominal difference in performance anyway
[08:40] <Varjat_by> It tell i686 :)
[08:41] <sredna> Aptitude claims that I can use '<package>&M', but bash backgrounds the command, and then complains that it cant find 'M' :\
[08:42] <sredna> It does not work
[08:43] <sredna> And it leaves stale lockfiles
[08:44] <sredna> Another error caused be disfunctionality in the package manager
[08:44] <trappist> sredna: try enclosing it in single quotes, just as you typed it above
[08:44] <sredna> trappist: I tried double quotes, but that failed
[08:44] <sredna> trappist: And that is a non-solution
[08:44] <trappist> sredna: there's a reason I said single quotes
[08:45] <sredna> Now I try to remove the package in question, which is refused- instead it is downgraded
[08:45] <trappist> sredna: the problem isn't aptitude.  the problem is that the shell is eating (interpreting) the ampersand, and aptitude never gets it
[08:45] <sredna> Then I'll remove it, and then install it in the hope I get the correct version :p
[08:46] <sredna> trappist: Bash is the most used shell in the unix world AND the default shell in kubuntu and it do in fact interpret the ampersand. So aptitude shouldn't use it.
[08:47] <sredna> OR, it should at least state in the manual that
[08:47] <sredna> Single quotes are required
[08:47] <sredna> Apperantly, aptitude is not able to remove kopete
[08:48] <sredna> First attempt downgraded, now a second attempt says it will upgrade it back :o
[08:49] <sredna> Using apt-get to remove it means that it will remove the kubuntu-desktop package
[08:49] <trappist> sredna: yep, it does seem a bit silly.
[08:49] <sredna> That package is the one creating MAJOR problems with kubuntu. There is something completely wrong with how that works
[08:49] <trappist> sredna: there's nothing wrong with that.  kubuntu-desktop's whole purpose is to depend on a bunch of kde apps, so you can install them in one go.  removing it won't do anything.
[08:50] <sredna> trappist: There is something wrong because the latest kopete upgrade is being held, and there is no obvious way to fix that
[08:50] <sredna> trappist: Nor is the reason told
[08:50] <jhutchins_wk> If you remove it, you just fall back to individual package updates instead of bundle updates.
[08:50] <sredna> trappist: Conclusion: The package manager is POS
[08:51] <trappist> sredna: if you're looking for suggestions, that's one thing, but I'm not interested in entertaining a troll
[08:51] <sredna> trappist: Suggestions would be nice
[08:51] <trappist> sredna: what happens if you say 'sudo apt-get install kopete'
[08:53] <lenscape> !k3b
[08:53] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[08:54] <lenscape> I think I have the knobbled k3b installed. Anyone know which repository has the full version?
[08:54] <kubuntian1> could i ask you a question? i wanted to change the theme of my KDE. I went in kcontrol but there are very few so i downloaded a kdeartwork-theme-window. However in kcontrol theme manager i still see only the "default" one, why?
[08:54] <dima2001> hmm, I wonder how they build kopete ... /usr/include/linux/videodev2.h:699: error: '__s64' does not name a type
[08:54] <tim__> Hello, I want to uninstall Kubuntu how to do that Thank you :)
[08:55] <lenscape> tim__: get a Kubuntu CD. Put it in your computer and reboot.
[08:55] <tim__> I omy got a live-cd
[08:55] <sredna> trappist: It will install yet another library, and kopete in an unspecified version, and ime screw up the package database
[08:55] <tim__> only*
[08:55] <lenscape> tim__: when the reboot is finished, click on the 'install' icon on the desktop
[08:55] <lenscape> tim__: that's the one you want
[08:55] <dima2001> tim__: install or uninstall?
[08:55] <tim__> uninstall
[08:56] <lenscape> do you want to install kubuntu or uninstall it?
[08:56] <DrNickRiviera> i'm trying to install jdk5 but it has this window come up where i have to confirm the licensing
[08:56] <tim__> i want to uninstall it
[08:56] <DrNickRiviera> and using apt-get on the command line as well as adept it never seems to react
[08:56] <DrNickRiviera> no matter what buttons i press
[08:56] <lenscape> tim__: and replace it with what?
[08:56] <trappist> sredna: it sounds like you have unofficial repositories in your sources.list
[08:56] <tim__> nothing I want more space for my windows
[08:57] <DrNickRiviera> how do i continue the installation in that case?
[08:57] <trappist> sredna: in any case, the upgraded version of kopete has dependencies that your current version doesn't have, so it has to do what it has to do.
[08:57] <lenscape> tim__: just boot windows and reformat the partition
[08:57] <tim__> ok
[08:57] <sredna> trappist: I have something for updates and backports
[08:57] <tim__> Then is Kubuntu uninstalled?
[08:57] <fabio> hi
[08:57] <dima2001> tim__: nearly
[08:57] <lenscape> tim__: you may need to make sure you rewrite he master boot record first or it won't boot after
[08:58] <dima2001> then you have to fdisk/mbr
[08:58] <sredna> trappist: Otherwise I have the choice of switching to a linux distro that is updated, or use an unstable system.
[08:58] <tim__> ok
[08:58] <fabio> i have a problem with suspend on my toshiba a100-925
[08:58] <tim__> thanks :)
[08:58] <tim__> I'll try
[08:58] <dima2001> to remove grub from your mbr :)
[08:58] <sredna> Or use outdated software of course, but cant live with that
[08:58] <lenscape> tim__: a better plan would be to get rid of Windows
[08:58] <tim__> Yeah
[08:58] <lenscape> tim__: it'll only bring you grief
[08:58] <dima2001> on 2k/xp etc it was iirc instead of fdisk - boot from cd, start recorvery and enter fixboot
[08:58] <tim__> Yes
[08:58] <fabio> after i have installed driver ATI, suspend don't turn on my lcd
[08:59] <tim__> But i need to run .exe programs on my computer
[08:59] <trappist> sredna: you're not being reasonable.  assume the new package comes from backports.  it has a new feature that requires another library, which itself may (for example) conflict with another library, so the package manager has to make the appropriate changes.  do you have a better idea of how the package manager should handle a situation like this?
[08:59] <dima2001> ah, graveyard (windows) ... so many memories :D
[08:59] <tim__> So i need it right?
[08:59] <fabio> the screen became black and the only solution is turn off my notebook
[08:59] <dima2001> (don't get offended, i'm just talking with myself)
[08:59] <devilsadvocate> tim__, if you need to rund windows applications you need wine,but its better if you can find a replacement
[08:59] <lenscape> tim__: depends. Some exes will run on Linux if you have Wine installed
[08:59] <tim__> Ok
[09:00] <tim__> Then i leave kubuntu and i uninstall
[09:00] <tim__> windows
[09:00] <tim__> thank you for the support :)
[09:00] <sredna> trappist: The new package is the one released with kde 3.5.6. It is possible that the package that blocked it came from the updates and backports repository. I'd just wish that the system had a way to deal with that
[09:00] <lenscape> tim__: go to www.winehq.org and see if your program is supported
[09:01] <devilsadvocate> tim__, better check to see if your program is suppported first, and then use it on kubuntu for a while before wiping windows
[09:01] <trappist> sredna: where are you installing 3.5.6 from
[09:01] <sredna> trappist: Let me scroll back and see
[09:01] <trappist> sredna: or, are you just trying to install a kopete deb from that release
[09:01] <tim__> ok
[09:02] <sredna> trappist: Henter:1 http://kubuHenter:1 http://kubuntu.org edgy/main kopete 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1~edgy1 [7095kB] 
[09:02] <tim__> I see kubuntu not on the download list
[09:02] <tim__> need i take the ubuntu?
[09:02] <trappist> sredna: so, is that the unofficial repository in your sources.list, or are you trying to install a kopete package for a version of kde that you don't have?
[09:03] <sredna> trappist: After the last install, after upgrading back, it did in fact install the correct version. The problem is that it didn't in the first place, I can't see a reason for that.
[09:03] <sredna> trappist:  http://kubuntu.org edgy/main is the official repository, no?
[09:03] <trappist> sredna: are you running feisty?
[09:04] <sredna> No, edgy
[09:04] <tim__> Do i need the ubuntu version of wine because i don't see wine for kubuntu?
[09:04] <sredna> I just did apt-get upgrade, since I expected the 141 upgrades to be related to the kde release mostly.
[09:06] <trappist> sredna: coupla things.  the 3.5.6 packages for edgy are not officially supported.  the new version of kopete has dependencies that require some trickery to install on edgy.  the package manager holds them back because of the problems, to let you do it manually (by specifying the package name on the command line, for example) so you can see what's happening.
[09:07] <lordhaart> !oper
[09:07] <lordhaart> !opera
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oper - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:07] <sredna> trappist: I wish there would be some message with the holding packages back
[09:07] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[09:07] <trappist> sredna: iow, it's not a flaw in the package manager.  it *might* be a flaw in the package, or it might just be a consequence of trying to install a version of kde that the rest of your distro isn't prepared for.
[09:07] <lordhaart> isnt there a ! command for opera? :S
[09:07] <LjL> you just used it succesfully lordhaart
[09:07] <lordhaart> ah, didnt see :D
[09:08] <sredna> trappist: And I am aware that there are no supported updates on debian systems once installed.
[09:08] <sredna> That is in fact a main reason for looking for something else
[09:08] <trappist> sredna: that's not exactly true, but you're right in that new versions of software don't get into officially supported repos, with rare exceptions
[09:09] <trappist> sredna: the reason for that policy is stability.  you can't have a distro that upgrades you to the latest version of every bit of software you have, and expect it to be stable.
[09:10] <Narishma> hi, anyone know if kde 3.5.6 will be availble for kubuntu dapper ?
[09:10] <jhutchins_wk> Ubuntu is one of the better distros for making updated apps available for older releases.
[09:10] <trappist> sredna: that's alsoo part of why ubuntu releases every 6 months, instead of every x years as debian does.
[09:11] <sredna> trappist: I look for something with a resonable balance between stability and updates. Kubuntu works resonably well if I do use a few extra repositories, otherwise not
[09:11] <jhutchins_wk> Look at Fedora, they've dropped Fedora Legacy, and even supported releases hardly ever get backports.
[09:12] <jhutchins_wk> sredna: The thing is you can only update so far before you have to start updating the libraries and such, and that can break programs that _aren't_ updated.
[09:12] <erad> huh, looks like kubuntu's less popular than ubuntu
[09:12] <jhutchins_wk> If you need that, you need to update the whole distro.
[09:12] <sredna> jhutchins_wk: The last time I used a redhat system was in 1994
[09:12] <jhutchins_wk> If you _really_ need weekly currency, you need something like Gentoo.
[09:13] <sredna> I used gentoo for 3-4 years, but the overwhealming amount of compiling wore me out
[09:13] <jhutchins_wk> I just lost the client who was clinging to FC4, so I'm down to running it on my firewall 'cause it ain't broke.
[09:13] <erad> sredna, hehe
[09:13] <erad> sredna, you have an old machine?
[09:13] <sredna> erad: Yes, last century model :(
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> With the mass defection from Gentoo to Ubuntu, it's a lot buggier and the bugs last longer.
[09:14] <erad> sredna, hehe - mine's only a year or so old but it still takes forever to compile
[09:14] <[Ag0ny] > anybody familiar with getting wireless cards to be detected and getting the appropriate drivers for them?  I tried this tutorial, and no dice http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=297092
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> I'm still maintaining two Gentoo servers on the 2.4 kernel and they're a real pain.  When they get updated they'll be ubuntu.
[09:14] <sredna> jhutchins_wk: Na, that mostly has to do with people messing with the emerge flags in silly ways
[09:14] <crube> I need to change the permissions of a folder and all its contents and subfolders. I created the whole thing  when I previously installed kubuntu, and now I have no write permission. I tried to change it from konqueror, but it didnt work.
[09:14] <jhutchins_wk> [Ag0ny] : What card?
[09:15] <[Ag0ny] > broadcom, unknown model
[09:15] <trappist> sredna: in feisty, there's a new version of my favorite terminal emulator, with a new dealbreaker bug, so I reverted to the edgy version.  I for one appreciate that ubuntu didn't introduce this bug mid-release just to have a bigger version number on the package.
[09:15] <digijosh> hi, my usb wired mouse stops working after a while, and the fix is usually unplug/replug, this is pretty sporadic and happens only in linux kubuntu dapper. any ideas anyone?
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> crube: I believe chmod takes the -R flag for recursive.
[09:15] <jhutchins_wk> [Ag0ny] : Anything about it in lspci?
[09:15] <[Ag0ny] > I got this e1505 from my roommate for free
[09:15] <[Ag0ny] > nope
[09:15] <[Ag0ny] > Broadcom corp, unknown device
[09:16] <trappist> sredna: the number of bugs for a release needs to go down, not up, and that's not how it works when you upgrade packages mid-release.  if you want the shiniest version of everything, run ubuntu+1.
[09:16] <sredna> crube: You probably need root power, use 'sudo chmod -r <perms> <dir>
[09:16] <crube> sredna:  I'll try that
[09:16] <sredna> trappist: What is that?
[09:16] <[Ag0ny] > that's the last line of the lspci output jhutchins_wk, at least it recognizes it as a networking device though
[09:16] <bubu1uk> !sources
[09:16] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:16] <trappist> crube: it's -R
[09:17] <bubu1uk> !repos
[09:17] <trappist> sredna: mrxvt
[09:17] <sredna> ?
[09:17] <trappist> sredna: I dunno, that was my best guess as to what you meant by that question.
[09:17] <sredna> trappist: What is 'ubuntu+1' ?
[09:17] <[Ag0ny] > any ideas?
[09:17] <bubu1uk> !repositories
[09:17] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:17] <trappist> sredna: right now, it's feisty
[09:17] <HymnToLife> !feisty
[09:17] <jhutchins_wk> [Ag0ny] : You look at http://tinyurl.com/35ea3d
[09:17] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:17] <jhutchins_wk> ?
[09:18] <jhutchins_wk> [Ag0ny] : Whoops, never mind, wrong buffer.
[09:18] <[Ag0ny] > mmk
[09:18] <jhutchins_wk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[09:18] <sredna> trappist: Ah, well one thing I learned from using gentoo and earlier mandrake was stay away from from the development repository
[09:19] <trappist> sredna: yeah that's because tossing new versions of software willy-nilly into a distro is not for the feint of heart
[09:20] <sredna> trappist: There is a middle road afaics, but no distro wants to use it.
[09:20] <[Ag0ny] > jhutchins, it'd be really helpful if there were some way of detecting what the actual model is
[09:20] <trappist> sredna: anyway, new versions of popular packages are generally *available* from backports repos and such, but it's use-at-your-own-risk.  usually works out, though.
[09:20] <[Ag0ny] > e1505s have several possible ones afaik
[09:21] <trappist> sredna: for good reason.  feel free to start your own distro that operates differently, but I think you'll learn very quickly why everyone does it this way.
[09:21] <sredna> trappist: Exactly. The only problem I experienced so far with kubuntu, doing exactly that, is the problems with apt* behaving silly, or not explaining why it makes some choices
[09:23] <trappist> sredna: in ubuntu and debian, I have *never* seen apt behave inappropriately.  I've run into problems installing software, but it's always been because of problems with the packages, not the package manager.
[09:23] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:23] <sredna> trappist: As far as apt is concerned, I'm a silly user. I get pissed when it doesn't do what I expect without explaining why.
[09:24] <gan|y|med> i use gaim so far in edgy (kubuntu). but i wanted to give kopete a try, especially because gaim is still a bit buggy and kopete seems to have webcam support.
[09:24] <LjL> trappist: still it's arguable whether a good package manager should choke on certain things and refuse to work anymore without messing up with files manually, even if it's a package's fault
[09:24] <gan|y|med> my problem is, when i connect via icq, no contacts are shown (offline contacts is on, some people are online right now). it works in gaim though... can anybody hlp?
[09:24] <crube> Ok I tried it but it didn't work. The permission to all the files are drwx, and everything else works just fine with these. I can change the main directory, but nothing in it, and the persimmion appear to be the same
[09:25] <crube> And the owner is the same too
[09:25] <fdoving> gan|y|med: that is a bug, i belive it was fixed a while back. do you have edgy-updates enabled?
[09:25] <trappist> LjL: I figure it should be resilient to imperfect packages.  I would like to see some fatal errors be warnings instead.
[09:25] <Narishma> so no one knows about dapper and kde 3.5.6 ?
[09:26] <trappist> LjL: like with vim recently, where it wouldn't install because I didn't have some russian locale file installed.
[09:26] <parsek>  I just upgraded to amarok 1.4.3 (I had the 1.3.9) and now when i play from my windows computer (cifs) the slider which indicates how far the song is playing doesnt move and I cannot seek forward with my mouse from it, ( I have kubuntu 6.06 dapper)  Has anyone of you had this problem? (BTW. I already asked that at amarok channel, so dont forward me there...)
[09:26] <LjL> trappist: and i would like to see at least an ability to install *other* packages anyway despite errors
[09:26] <trappist> LjL: do you mean like unresolvable dependency issues?
[09:27] <fdoving> LjL: usually the errors only appear when the package is uninstallable for some reason. Forcing will usually only make things work. if you want to override those things, it shouldn't be that easy.
[09:27] <LjL> trappist: hm no, those just remove the affected package AFAIK. i mean things like the k3d bug that i'll give you now
[09:27] <gan|y|med> fdoving: yes - http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted
[09:27] <trappist> I would definitely like a --screw-dependencies option
[09:27] <fdoving> trappist: there is. --force-depends
[09:27] <LjL> trappist: (and that's just an example, i just see too many instances of people - rightly - recommending "add an 'exit 0' to the postinst" 'cause that's really the only way)
[09:27] <trappist> fdoving: isn't that a dpkg option? not apt?
[09:28] <fdoving> trappist: you can pass dpkg options to apt.
[09:28] <LjL> fdoving: forcing absolutely didn't work in the k3d case for instance
[09:28] <LjL> and of course it couldn't be removed
[09:28] <trappist> fdoving: I've never been able to make that work :)  how's it done?
[09:28] <trappist> LjL: what bug?
[09:29] <LjL> trappist: one moment, i'm finding it
[09:29] <trappist> oh :)
[09:29] <erad> I'm using k3b and when I try to select "verify written data", it always says "could not find foo file - fail" during the check
[09:29] <erad> anyone here know the fix?
[09:29] <LjL> trappist, fdoving: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3d/+bug/64848
[09:29] <LjL> i think that might have gone to an SRU now, not entirely sure
[09:30] <trappist> erad: there's a bug open on that one, iirc
[09:30] <LjL> it's particularly interesting because it managed to lock up my entire APT due to... a typo
[09:30] <erad> trappist, ok
[09:30] <gan|y|med> how is the sources.list line for egdy-updates???
[09:30] <erad> I just use md5sum anyway, so its not a big deal
[09:31] <LjL> Ubotu, tell gan|y|med about easysource | gan|y|med, see the private message from Ubotu
[09:31] <gan|y|med> thx
[09:32] <fdoving> trappist: about the dpkg options, for example 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options='--force-confmiss' install <package>
[09:32] <trappist> fdoving: wow.  you'll forgive me for not getting that from the apt-get man page.
[09:33] <fdoving> trappist: heh.. yes. i will. it's not well documented :)
[09:33] <trappist> nope :)
[09:34] <verve> does KDE have its own inetd.conf setup?
[09:34] <verve> 'cause i have nullidentd in my inetd.conf
[09:34] <verve> it was working in Gnome
[09:34] <trappist> fdoving: in fact, I'll go ahead and reiterate that apt-get should have an option to ignore dependencies, if only for a saner command line
[09:34] <verve> doesn't seem to be running it in KDE though
[09:34] <trappist> verve: is inetd running?
[09:34] <fdoving> trappist: then you can use 'debget' instead. if you just want to download a deb, then force its isntallation with dpkg.
[09:34] <verve> neg
[09:35] <verve> but like.. in KDE Service Manager
[09:35] <verve> KDE Internet Daemon is running
[09:35] <verve> is that the equivalent to inetd?
[09:35] <trappist> fdoving: yeah that's sort of what I've done in the past, but it's an unnecessary hassle when I know it's a bogus dependency or that I can safely ignore it
[09:35] <fdoving> trappist: i don't understand why you wnat that though.. it's called depends because they are depends.
[09:36] <fdoving> trappist: if they are bogus you should re-package or make empty packages that provides the bogus-thing. (apt-cache show equivs)
[09:36] <trappist> fdoving: I always try to do it the package manager's way, but if I've installed (for example) a ruby module from source, and a package won't install because it's missing the *package* of that ruby module...
[09:36] <fdoving> then make an equivs package that provides whatever you install from source.
[09:37] <trappist> fdoving: well I wish I'd heard of equivs before :)
[09:37] <trappist> I knew it was possible to create packages like that, but it's not worth the hassle, usually, to do it manually
[09:38] <soulrider> hi everyone
[09:38] <fdoving> trappist: equivs is very fast and easy, you make a control file with the description and depends/provides and run the command -> you have a .deb.
[09:38] <trappist> of course, I'd run into this issue a lot less often if ubuntu would package more ruby stuff.
[09:39] <trappist> especially rubygems.
[09:39] <faked_> QUICK HELP I just deleted my usr folder (typo deleting another folder) and I dunno how to restore it and a buncha stuff isn't working! How do I get it back?
[09:39] <yelonek> how should I configure Kubuntu to share Internet connection with XP ?
[09:40] <verve> trappist, any ideas?
[09:40] <yelonek> XP is connected to internet, I want to be behind NAT
[09:40] <yelonek> right now only thing that's working is irc
[09:40] <soulrider> yelonek: can you opena  browser ?
[09:40] <yelonek> i can not access any website
[09:40] <soulrider> i would suggest looking in the forums
[09:40] <soulrider> ouch
[09:40] <soulrider> hold on
[09:41] <yelonek> Opera says "Network problems ?"
[09:41] <soulrider> faked_: maybe theres a way to undelete files, i suggets you google it
[09:41] <trappist> verve: never heard of the kde internet daemon, but it sounds like it wants to replace inetd
[09:41] <soulrider> yelonek: hold on
[09:41] <bluechip_> can someone recomend a good C compiler ?
[09:41] <yelonek> soulrider: can you tell me what's the configuration file responsible for network ?
[09:41] <trappist> bluechip_: gcc
[09:41] <faked_> I CAN'T google it because all my browsers aren't working
[09:41] <soulrider> yelonek: i dont really know
[09:41] <verve> trappist, it's listed in System Services
[09:42] <verve> or Service Manager
[09:42] <soulrider> faked_: ok, just a sec, maybe the bot knows
[09:42] <verve> yeah, Service Manager
[09:42] <soulrider> !undelete
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undelete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <gan|y|med> thx a lot
[09:42] <soulrider> :(
[09:42] <faked_> !trash
[09:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about trash - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <trappist> faked_: don't bother, you're not going to be able to recover it.  you're looking at a reinstall.
[09:42] <faked_> isn't it just in the trash?
[09:42] <faked_> that's where most things go when I delete them >_>
[09:42] <trappist> faked_: if you deleted it window-manager-style, maybe.  if you said rm -rf /usr, no.
[09:43] <faked_> well it's not like it's a big deal I was just getting ready to switch to fedora anyway >_>
[09:43] <yelonek> soulrider: omg, it started to work 8o
[09:43] <soulrider> yelonek: lol ok
[09:44] <soulrider> faked_: why do you wanna go to fedora? you odnt like kubuntu ?
[09:44] <faked_> not necessarily. i'm having a lot of problems with it and nobody here ever helps with them so i'm going to try something else
[09:45] <soulrider> what kind of problems
[09:45] <faked_> just random stuff
[09:45] <soulrider> maybe you came in here at ate worse times
[09:45] <soulrider> i found the IRC to be extremely helpful
[09:45] <soulrider> IRC and the forums
[09:45] <capcom> is anybody in here using thunderbird and knows what means the message "connection rate limit exceeded" ?
[09:45] <verve> there's a kinetdrc file
[09:45] <verve> 'cept i dunno the syntax for adding stuff
[09:45] <verve> it's not like regular inetd.conf
[09:45] <verve> [ListenerConfig] 
[09:45] <verve> enabled_expiration_krfb=2935093,2,28,0,0,0
[09:45] <verve> enabled_expiration_krfb_httpd=2935093,2,28,0,0,0
[09:45] <verve> enabled_krfb=false
[09:45] <verve> enabled_krfb_httpd=false
[09:45] <faked_> well obviously, but i didn't wanna use kubuntu in the first place, friend just said it'd be better to learn linux then switch to something else
[09:45] <verve> and there's nothing on google about it
[09:45] <verve> and no manpage
[09:45] <verve> boo
[09:46] <[Ag0ny] > jhutchins_wk, got it working
[09:46] <[Ag0ny] > thx for pointing me in the right direction
[09:46] <jhutchins_wk> [Ag0ny] : Excelent, what helped?  That second forum link?
[09:49] <briancann> what is used in kde for "gksudo" or is it the same??
[09:49] <faked_> guess i'll figrue this out later
[09:50] <mervteck> hey everyone
[09:50] <soulrider> hi mervteck
[09:52] <fdoving> briancann: kdesu
[09:53] <redrgb> msg nickserv set hide email on
[09:53] <blindside> lol
[09:53] <blindside> u forgot the slash mate
[09:54] <redrgb> i know copy didnt select it fully
[09:54] <underdog5004> lol
[09:55] <jhutchins_wk> briancann: kdesu
[09:55] <tapas> does feisty have its own channel?
[09:55] <devilsadvocate> tapas, on ubuntu it does
[09:55] <devilsadvocate> it must here as well
[09:56] <devilsadvocate> #kubuntu+1 maybe
[09:56] <devilsadvocate> or #kubuntu-devel
[09:56] <fdoving> tapas: #ubuntu+1 is more feisty-oriented. but also more ubuntu oriented, kubuntu things can go in here.
[09:56] <tapas> devilsadvocate: that wasn't it
[09:56] <tapas> ah, just wondering wehen kde 3.5.6 is up?
[09:56] <tapas> so this annoyig beryl-kde desktop pager bug is fixe d:)
[09:57] <scooter> hi i have ubuntu and i need to learn how to change the permissions for a new external hard drive can anyone help
[09:57] <bubu1uk> scooter: do u have it as /media/something?
[09:57] <scooter> yes
[09:58] <bubu1uk> what permissions u want to add?
[09:58] <bubu1uk> scooter: man chmod
[09:59] <scooter> the write read
[09:59] <scooter> how do i do that man chmod
[09:59] <scooter> ??/
[09:59] <bubu1uk> scooter: sudo chmod 755 /media/something
[09:59] <bubu1uk> in console
[09:59] <scooter> ok hold on
[09:59] <underdog5004> or sudo chmod 775 /media/something
[10:00] <jhutchins_wk> scooter: Alt-F2, enter # chmod, or at the console enter "man chmod" for documentation on the chmod command.
[10:01] <scooter> thanks
[10:02] <scooter> chmod: missing operand after `775/media/usbdisk'
[10:02] <scooter> Try `chmod --help' for more information.
[10:02] <scooter> that is the answer i get
[10:03] <underdog5004> you didn't do a space
[10:03] <bubu1uk> between 775 and /
[10:03] <underdog5004> lol
[10:03] <scooter> thanks
[10:04] <underdog5004> np
[10:04] <scooter> i think thats got it now
[10:05] <bubu1uk> lol. sudo upgrade, upgrade: command not found. where is apt-get then. :)
[10:05] <andygraybeal> :)
[10:05] <andygraybeal> very nice, my first kubuntu install
[10:05] <andygraybeal> thank yuo persons
[10:05] <lordhaart> is there a kubuntu probram called something like xtrem?
[10:05] <jfroebe> Konsole
[10:05] <bubu1uk> xterm u mean/
[10:06] <bubu1uk> ?
[10:06] <lordhaart> xterm ye
[10:06] <bubu1uk> yes above lol
[10:06] <lordhaart> and how do i open it?
[10:06] <scooter> then again maybe not its not letting me write to the disk saying i dont have permission to do so
[10:06] <elyon225> Could someone help me with my ATI drivers?  I followed the advice from the wiki, and even manually changed drivers to fglrx, radeon, and ati... but nothing is working.  I can't get direct rendering working and fglrxinfo is always showing either Tungsten or Mesa for the vendor...
[10:06] <bubu1uk> system>konsole
[10:06] <scooter> and its a 3 gig hard drive
[10:06] <jhutchins_wk> bubu1uk: it's sudo apt-get upgrade.
[10:07] <lordhaart> there is a way to open it from the command promt that lets me run it as root
[10:07] <slyfox> What can I use in Kubuntu for photos ? Something Like Picasa ?
[10:07] <bubu1uk> lol. know. forgoten to type it. fingers too fast, faster then mind. :)
[10:07] <bubu1uk> digikam
[10:07] <lordhaart> i write "aword xterm"
[10:07] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[10:07] <lordhaart> just dont rememeber what word :(
[10:07] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | lordhaart
[10:07] <ubotu> lordhaart: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:07] <slyfox> Thank you, I will give digikam a go
[10:08] <lordhaart> ah, that worked aswell
[10:08] <lordhaart> wasnt what i used before but :p
[10:08] <bubu1uk> elyon225: i think there is howto on www.ubuntuguide.org for ATI
[10:08] <elyon225> bubu1uk: I followed that twice already... didn't work.
[10:09] <elyon225> bubu1uk: The thing is, when I first installed Kubuntu, it setup the drivers automatically and they worked great.  But I was stupid and tried to update them.
[10:09] <bubu1uk> elyon225: dunno then, never used ati drivers
[10:09] <yuriy> wow there's a minesweeper game built into aptitude
[10:09] <SpYmAn> Hi, How can I make my window be transparent like toobar?
[10:09] <elyon225> SpYmAn: You need a Composite Manager such as Beryl or Compiz.
[10:09] <elyon225> !beryl | SpYmAn
[10:09] <ubotu> SpYmAn: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:10] <ubuntu_> not true
[10:10] <elyon225> ubuntu_: But I could be wrong? lol
[10:10] <elyon225> oh wow
[10:10] <ubuntu_> SpYmAn: right click on the pannel and then you can set transparency
[10:10] <yuriy> what's toobar and what's its transparency like
[10:10] <SpYmAn> thx
[10:10] <ubuntu_> toolbar, pannel
[10:10] <elyon225> SpYmAn: Try right-clicking on a window's Titlebar and select "Configure Window Behavior"
[10:10] <slyfox> Ok for those who know how to use Digikam, is there a way to add photo folders withou importing? I have them somewhere else, how do I make Digikam index them instead of importing ?
[10:11] <casey__> Can anyone recomend a C++ compiler similiar to one of the "unnamed ones" visual platforms for KDE?
[10:11] <yuriy> oh a typo lol
[10:11] <jhutchins_wk> yeah, kde does transparency just fine.
[10:11] <LjL> !kdevelop | casey__
[10:11] <LjL> though it's not a compiler but an IDE
[10:11] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[10:11] <scooter> this isnt going well lol i have gotten a message saying that it is changing the permissions but it still wont let me write to the hard drive
[10:11] <casey__> Sounds great, thanks!
[10:12] <bubu1uk> scooter: what u get after 'ls -l /media'?
[10:12] <scooter> can anyone help
[10:12] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: Well, I can't test it because I screwed up my ATI drivers and can't fix them.
[10:12] <scooter> changing permissions of `/media/usbdisk': Read-only file system
[10:12] <scooter> thats all it comes up with
[10:12] <bubu1uk> scooter: did u do sudo?
[10:12] <scooter> yes
[10:12] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: I dunno, un-do what you did, then install the stock drivers with apt-get.
[10:12] <yuriy> ubuntu_, jhutchins_wk, SpYmAn: afaik, only the panel and konsole can do pseudo-transparency, if you want transparency for other windows, you need compositing
[10:13] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: How do you UNDO something?  I never understood that.
[10:13] <scooter>  sudo chmod 775 /media/usbdisk
[10:13] <bubu1uk> scooter: what kind of external drive is it? what file system
[10:13] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: Ctrl-Z doesn't work ;)
[10:13] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: Go through the steps you performed and reverse them.
[10:13] <jhutchins_wk> If you did mkdir ati, do rm -r ati.
[10:13] <ubuntu_> yuriy: i know *is a beryl user*
[10:14] <scooter> its a fat 32 files system but im not sure what brand or anything my husband put it on for me last night
[10:14] <jhutchins_wk> If you ran a script, read the script, find out what it did, and fix that.
[10:14] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: Shoot, I don't remember...
[10:14] <jhutchins_wk> Take better notes next time.
[10:14] <jhutchins_wk> Did you follow a howto?
[10:14] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: And reversing a script would likely screw everything up worse.
[10:14] <slow-motion> n8
[10:14] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[10:14] <slyfox> Anyone ? Help with digikam? Or maybe some other application
[10:14] <roniez> How can i set my wifi card manully in console? to use a specific wifi access point?
[10:14] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: I have tried a few different methods.  Using the official ATI installer, following HowTos
[10:14] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: Restore your backups.  You did make backups before installing untested drivers, right?
[10:15] <scooter> could i try formatting it to this pc and then maybe it would work
[10:15] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: Of course not.... uhm... no?
[10:15] <bubu1uk> scooter: that error (read only file system) u get after chmod command?
[10:15] <scooter> yes
[10:15] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: I wasn't aware that they were untested, first of all.  And I wouldn't have any clue WHAT to backup anyway.
[10:15] <yuriy> slyfox: i'm not sure what the distinction is you're making between importing and whatever it is that you want it to do
[10:15] <bubu1uk> scooter: umount it and mount again.
[10:16] <bubu1uk> also check /etc/fstab
[10:16] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: You hadn't tested them.
[10:16] <scooter> ok hang on
[10:16] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: Well, you could start with everything.
[10:16] <HymnToLife> if the filesystem is read-only, chmod won't help you writingf to it
[10:16] <HymnToLife> writing*
[10:16] <slyfox> yuriy: importing means that it starts to copy all files from one folder to another, I jsut want it to index the files I already have
[10:16] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: Or you could look at the files that you're changing like xorg.conf and modprobe.conf, and back those up.
[10:16] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: How about if I reinstalled Kubuntu?  I have a seperate /home partition... what kinds of things would I lose if I did that?
[10:17] <HymnToLife> elyon225, everything but your personnall files and settings
[10:17] <bubu1uk> elyon225: nothing. if u didnt setup anything extra, like server
[10:17] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: You'd loose some customizations, and whatever software you've installed/uninstalled.
[10:17] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: But it wouldn't overwrite anything in the /home folders, right?
[10:17] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: Probably your best bet if you really want to go back.
[10:17] <yuriy> slyfox: you want it to use multiple directories for your album library?
[10:17] <scooter> Error while copying to "/media/usbdisk". this is the error i get when trying to write to the disk
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: I have heard that it really wants to format the partition, which means that unless /home is a seperate partition...
[10:18] <bubu1uk> elyon225: if u setup installation right, then home will stay unchanged.
[10:18] <scooter> You do not have permissions to write to this folder.
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: You can back up /home.
[10:18] <elyon225> For example, all the settings I have for KDE, amarok, kopete, etc... would remain intact, right?
[10:18] <yuriy> slyfox: what i mean is, in digikam's settings, you can set the Album LIbrary Path, and that's where it expects all your pictures to be
[10:18] <HymnToLife> yes
[10:18] <yelonek> what does red plug next to directory mean in Konq ?
[10:18] <jhutchins_wk> elyon225: That' all in .kde - which you could also back up.
[10:18] <elyon225> ok
[10:18] <bubu1uk> scooter: check /etc/fstab if u have line bout /media/usbdisk
[10:18] <scooter> i unmounted and remounted it and the error still comes up
[10:18] <slyfox> yuriy: no, I have folders somewhere on the hard drive, I want digikam to access this folder and index it. Like Picasa would or ACEEDEsee
[10:19] <bubu1uk> slyfox: u can try picasa for linux, but that's not that good as windows version.
[10:19] <yuriy> slyfox: as far as i can tell, digikam only lets you use one folder for all your albums
[10:19] <scooter> it says permission denied
[10:19] <elyon225> jhutchins_wk: Well, let me try this first... do you know the package name for the stock ATI drivers?
[10:19] <dawn_> ok I have a question
[10:19] <bubu1uk> sudo cat /etc/fstab
[10:20] <dawn_> while trying to mount an external drive
[10:20] <dawn_> it shows files from a previous drive
[10:20] <bubu1uk> scooter: ^
[10:20] <dawn_> whats up with that?
[10:20] <dawn_> this is over USB I may add
[10:21] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: The previous drive wasn not properly unmounted, and the file list is cached.
[10:21] <dawn_> ahhh
[10:21] <dawn_> that makes sense
[10:21] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: Unmount the drive manually, possibly issue the "sync" command, then mount the new one.
[10:21] <scooter> none about /media/usbdisk
[10:21] <dawn_> whats the cmd??
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> You can do a manual "sync" before unmounting, but umount /dev/whatever _shoud_ sync before unmounting.
[10:22] <bubu1uk> scooter: sudo mount
[10:22] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: So you'd probably want to disconnect the new drive first, then make sure it's not seeing it as mounted, to avoid writing the old directory to the new drive.
[10:23] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: I have actually succeeded in removing new media, replacing the old media, unmounting properly, and getting changes that weren't saved to the old media saved.
[10:23] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: mount/umount require root (sudo).
[10:24] <scooter>  this is what i get /dev/sdd1 on /media/usbdisk type ntfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,iocharset=utf8)
[10:24] <bubu1uk> scooter: u got ntfs filesystem,
[10:24] <dawn_> umount: /media/NAS_Disk-1 is not mounted (according to mtab)
[10:24] <bubu1uk> that's why
[10:24] <dawn_> umount: /media/NAS_Disk-1: not found
[10:24] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[10:24] <scooter> ok how can i change that by formatting it?????
[10:24] <dawn_> NAS was from a week ago
[10:25] <bubu1uk> scooter: yes, changing it to different filesystem. is that usb goin to be used with windows as well?
[10:25] <blindside> how do i make konqueror scroll with th emiddle button?
[10:25] <scooter> no not now
[10:25] <blindside> i can do it with firefox easy
[10:26] <bubu1uk> scooter: u can change it to fat32, that will be readable by windows and linux. also remember, that fat32 doesnt support files bigger than 4 GB
[10:27] <bluechip_> can someone please link me to a pre compiled C compiler ?>
[10:27] <scooter> ok thank you so very much for helping me out
[10:27] <scooter> wait a sec lol where do i go to format
[10:27] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: Ok, just "mount" will show you what is mounted.
[10:28] <christiane> Hello. I installed Kubuntu Edgy 6.10. How do I enter Unicode chars that are not on my keyboard (like      )?
[10:28] <jhutchins_wk> bluechip_: I think sudo apt-get g++ will do ya.
[10:28] <bubu1uk> scooter: u also need to change filesystem, so fdisk or qparted? not sure
[10:28] <jhutchins_wk> er, apt-get install....
[10:28] <jhutchins_wk> bubu1uk: fdisk
[10:29] <scooter> ok but where do i go to begin doing these things
[10:29] <jhutchins_wk> scooter: fat32 is the most versitile if you need windows compatibility.
[10:29] <Tido> this isn't really a specific kubuntu question, but on a linux box how can I see what kind of bandwidth it's moving?
[10:29] <jhutchins_wk> scooter: console, sudo (possibly -i)
[10:29] <christiane> Tido: I like iftop
[10:29] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[10:29] <scooter> ok it does need to be able to read windows too just in case becuase my hubby still uses windows
[10:30] <jhutchins_wk> scooter: Then make it vfat
[10:30] <blindside> how do i make konqueror scroll with th emiddle button?
[10:30] <jhutchins_wk> sorry, not fat32 but vfat
[10:30] <dawn_> ok running along gives me a huge list of things
[10:30] <jhutchins_wk> blindside: wheelmouse?
[10:30] <dawn_> .../dev/sda1 being one
[10:30] <christiane> !unicode | christiane
[10:30] <ubotu> unicode: display unicode character properties. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 80 kB
[10:31] <scooter> i put in sudo -i and this is what i get
[10:31] <scooter> To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>".
[10:31] <scooter> See "man sudo_root" for details.
[10:31] <blindside> no when i click the middle
[10:31] <jjk> hi, my kubuntu 6.10 networks settings doesn't show any wlan card (although lspci shows 2 of them)
[10:31] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: You can umount by specifying either the mount point or the device, so umount /dev/sda1 shoudl work.
[10:31] <christiane> jjk: Which chipset?
[10:31] <jhutchins_wk> !sudo | scooter
[10:32] <ubotu> scooter: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:32] <dawn_> umount: /: device is busy
[10:32] <dawn_> dawn@dawn-desktop:~$ sudo umount /dev/sda1
[10:32] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: fuser /dev/sda1
[10:32] <dawn_> busy??
[10:32] <jjk> one is broadcom bcm4310, another is buffalo airstation IPN2220
[10:32] <jaka> all kubuntu users?
[10:32] <jhutchins_wk> Something thinks it has the device open.
[10:33] <dawn_> fuser command shows nothing
[10:33] <jhutchins_wk> Rats.
[10:33] <christiane> jjk: You can try to load the kernel module bcm43xx and watch output of dmesg. Maybe you need to install the firmware.
[10:33] <jhutchins_wk> dawn_: You've closed any windows that were showing the drive, right?
[10:33] <dawn_> yep
[10:34] <jhutchins_wk> do ps ax | grep sda1, and ps ax | grep <whatever that device name was>
[10:34] <dawn_> brb..
[10:34] <dawn_> gimmie 15-20 mins
[10:34] <dawn_> thx for help
[10:34] <jhutchins_wk> k, I'll probably be gone, but good luck, You can always just reboot.
[10:34] <jhutchins_wk> Actually, I'm already late.
[10:34] <dawn_> hmmmmmmm
[10:34] <dawn_> ok
[10:34] <dawn_> cyas
[10:37] <scooter> i cant seem to get this formattend
[10:38] <slyfox> Why is it that often when I choose Adept from K menu it says Application Loading but it never loads, I have to do it again. ?
[10:40] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[10:40] <christiane> jjk: There's a pkg bcm43xx-fwcutter that does load the firmware from a script.
[10:43] <Zapt> hi
[10:43] <Zapt> i'm looking for somebody with good konsole knowledge
[10:44] <slyfox> KDE 3.5.6 is out, will Kubuntu auto update to it ?
[10:44] <christiane> Zapt: konsole is an X terminal emulator for KDE ;-)
[10:44] <Zapt> i know
[10:44] <Zapt> that's why
[10:44] <LjL> slyfox: no
[10:44] <slyfox> LjL: why not ?
[10:45] <dima2001> ubuntu holds the version and patches it
[10:45] <mikejanssen> hmm
[10:45] <LjL> slyfox: because a given Ubuntu release doesn't get updates except for security fixes and fixes to serious bugs
[10:45] <dima2001> usually
[10:45] <mikejanssen> quicky...how do i upgrade 3.5.5 to 3.56?
[10:45] <mikejanssen> = X
[10:45] <LjL> mikejanssen: www.kubuntu.org
[10:45] <mikejanssen> i know
[10:45] <mikejanssen> but how to install
[10:45] <Zapt> I have this problem: When I start a program with sudo in the konsole it doesn't find the Xserver
[10:45] <slyfox> LjL: Is it easy to update kde manually ?
[10:45] <dima2001> ./configure && make && make install :)
[10:45] <mikejanssen> - used ubuntu for almost a week now...
[10:45] <LjL> slyfox: doesn't have to be done *manually*, you still have a repository
[10:45] <LjL> www.kubuntu.org <- i say it again ;)
[10:45] <lordhaart> anyone know of a killer guide to configure my mx500 for windows?
[10:46] <lordhaart> omg
[10:46] <lordhaart> linux*
[10:46] <slyfox> LjL: I have a problem with Kubuntu, when I choose Adept for example it says loading application and it nver loads. I have to do it like 2 or 3 times some times to laod it. Now for example I am clicking on the link you gave me and it says furefox laoding and it never opens ?
[10:47] <Zapt> is anybody using yakuake with kubuntu edgy?
[10:47] <dope> when i talk to my friend through skype he said he can hear any sounds i have playing on my computer
[10:48] <Zapt> @dope: nice feature ;)
[10:48] <Zapt> that's normal
[10:48] <dope> no it's bad cause i want to watch porn while i talk to him
[10:48] <tsdgeos> dope: probably your microphone gets the sound from the the ambient ?
[10:48] <dope> i have headphones on
[10:48] <LjL> slyfox, uhm can you load firefox normally?
[10:48] <dima2001> slyfox: try to start them from a terminal and see if there is any error output
[10:49] <dope> anyone
[10:49] <dope> i know there's gotta be some setting
[10:49] <slyfox> it loaded now, for firefox specifically I looked in KsysGuard and there was some isntance of firefox running, that is why there was a problem
[10:49] <slyfox> No idea why this happens for Adpet
[10:49] <slyfox> Let me see
[10:51] <slyfox>  dima2001It does open, but this is what is going on in the Terminal
[10:51] <slyfox> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 170
[10:51] <slyfox>   Major opcode:  148
[10:51] <slyfox>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:51] <slyfox>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:51] <slyfox> Failed to open device
[10:52] <dante> y'a t'il un francais qui pourrait m'aider ici?
[10:52] <slyfox> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 170
[10:52] <dope> when i talk to my friend through skype he said he can hear any sounds i have playing on my computer
[10:52] <slyfox>   Major opcode:  148
[10:52] <slyfox>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:52] <slyfox>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:52] <slyfox> Failed to open device
[10:52] <slyfox> adept_manager: ERROR: Communication problem with adept_manager, it probably crashed.
[10:52] <dante> y'a pas de francais ici?
[10:52] <dima2001> !fr
[10:52] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:53] <dante> merci
[10:53] <slyfox> LjL: any comments on the above
[10:53] <slyfox> dima2001:  any comments on the above  ?
[10:53] <dima2001> hmm, slyfox
[10:53] <dima2001> i was right now looking through my ps aux for adept
[10:54] <LjL> slyfox: erm... yes.
[10:54] <LjL> !paste
[10:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:54] <dima2001> thought there was some daemon running, but there is nothing but _notifier
[10:54] <LjL> slyfox: but, those errors are normal. up to the "communication problem"
[10:54] <scooter> can anyone please tell me how to format a drive in edgy
[10:55] <slyfox> LjL: let me try to start digikam
[10:55] <dima2001> scooter: the mkfs utility
[10:55] <dima2001> e.g. mkfs.ext3
[10:55] <scooter> where is that
[10:55] <dima2001> (console application)
[10:56] <scooter> thanks
[10:56] <dima2001> slyfox: what command did you execute?
[10:56] <dima2001> just adept_manager?
[10:56] <dope> when i talk to my friend through skype he said he can hear any sounds i have playing on my computer
[10:56] <dima2001> or _installer?
[10:56] <jarn> Konqueror loads at startup, but all the pages in it at startup give the error "The process for the <webpage url> protocol died unexpectedly.".
[10:57] <slyfox> dima2001: adept_manager
[10:57] <slyfox> dima2001: well "sudo adept_manager"
[10:57] <dima2001> hmm, moment, ill look in the sources where it happens, maybe it will help :)
[10:57] <scooter> ok now im really confused
[10:57] <slyfox> LjL: for KDE 3.5.6 ? "These packages are not well supported, security and other updates may not be applied promptly."        Does this mean I should not install it ?
[10:58] <dima2001> scooter: what do you want to format?
[10:58] <scooter> a usb hard drive
[10:58] <LjL> slyfox: it means what it says ;)
[10:58] <scooter> external
[10:58] <dima2001> scooter: what filesystem?
[10:58] <scooter> nfts right now
[10:58] <slyfox> LjL: How do I see which KDE version I have?
[10:58] <scooter> thats why i want to format
[10:58] <Zapt> what's better kxdocker or kooldock?
[10:58] <dima2001> no, what filesystem do you want to pack on it? :)
[10:59] <slyfox> Zapt: kicker worked best for me
[10:59] <scooter> oh im using it for more storage with ubuntu
[10:59] <LjL> slyfox: Help / About KDE, in any KDE program
[10:59] <Zapt> slyfox: kicker is just the normal thing isn't it?
[11:00] <Zapt> the standardized kde dashboard
[11:00] <slyfox> LjL: got it. The only problem with kde 3.5.6 is that I do not see a changelog on their site
[11:00] <Zapt> I
[11:00] <Zapt> I'm looking for a MAC Style dashboard
[11:00] <LjL> slyfox: they do have one, hunt around a bit in www.kde.org
[11:00] <Zapt> that also is stable
[11:00] <scooter> can you help
[11:00] <slyfox> Zapt: yeah. I wanted to isntall something like you, a day ago but found that kicker works best
[11:01] <LjL> slyfox: !info sun-java5-bin dapper
[11:01] <dima2001> then it is probably a SCSI drive, you have to find out what device node that is (/dev/sXXX), unmount it (you can do that from KDE) and sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sXXX
[11:01] <LjL> err wrong paste sorry
[11:01] <LjL> slyfox: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_5to3_5_6.php
[11:01] <dima2001> but be careful not to format the wrong drive
[11:01] <dima2001> :)
[11:01] <Zapt> that's what i found out last summer when I was looking for it
[11:01] <Zapt> i thought maybe there are updates now
[11:01] <slyfox> Zapt: what for ? Kicker does all that, and learn to use Katapult !
[11:02] <dima2001> scooter: there is probably an easier way, if i remember correctly, there should be a format utility in your kde menu, but I don't know it :)
[11:02] <Zapt> i am using katapult but it's just for the looks
[11:02] <fribuntu> Hi all.
[11:03] <slyfox> Zapt: I think the one that worked ok was smoothdocks or soemthing
[11:03] <fribuntu> I just downloaded the DVD image for Kubuntu. When I try to burn it using k3b, I get a "Not an ISO9660 Image" warning. Uding "file" on the file just tells me, it is "data".
[11:03] <dima2001> slyfox: my magic ball tells nothing right now, still looking :)
[11:03] <scooter> i dont know how to get into the kde i never use it
[11:03] <Zapt> slyfox: what do you mean by "worked  ok"
[11:03] <Zapt> that didn't crash or smth?
[11:03] <dima2001> scooter: what do you use then?
[11:04] <scooter> gnome
[11:04] <fribuntu> It is the i386 image found under http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/. Unfortunately there are no md5 sums to check file integrity
[11:04] <dima2001> hmm, wait a moment, you can easily repartition and reformat it with for example qtparted
[11:05] <dima2001> there is a gnome/gtk equivalent, too, I don't remember its name though
[11:05] <fribuntu> no wait. I must have been blind!
[11:05] <fribuntu> there are md5. Hang on, I am going to verify that.
[11:05] <scooter> darn
[11:05] <HymnToLife> dima2001, gparted
[11:05] <slyfox> Zapt: Yeah, it worked ok, but occassional glitches when I wanted to change the position
[11:05] <scooter> how do i get into it in the konsole???
[11:06] <dima2001> yeah
[11:06] <scooter> ok hankg on
[11:06] <scooter> hang
[11:06] <HymnToLife> scooter, Alt+F2 > konsole
[11:06] <scooter> file could not be found WHY ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:07] <HymnToLife> which file ?
[11:07] <scooter> gparted
[11:07] <dima2001> scooter: apt-get install gparted
[11:07] <soulrider> maybe its not installed....
[11:07] <dima2001> or do that from synaptic
[11:07] <mikejanssen> hmm, now do i make the multimedia keys on my keyboard work...volume wont work
[11:07] <mikejanssen> booo
[11:08] <slyfox> I still don't get it  - Can someone please explain this to me, I am a noob: "These packages are not well supported, security and other updates may not be applied promptly."
[11:08] <mikejanssen> works in gde...just not kde...BORING
[11:08] <soulrider> hi TheGateKeeper
[11:08] <slyfox> Does this mean it is not really recommended to isntall this as I will not get security updates?
[11:08] <soulrider> no slyfox
[11:08] <TheGateKeeper> hi soulrider
[11:08] <soulrider> it means that
[11:08] <soulrider> well, if you ahva  problem with them
[11:08] <soulrider> like
[11:08] <soulrider> they dont work or something
[11:08] <fribuntu> Damnit! The md5 sum is not correct. So the 4 GB of data are corrupt and I have to download again :(
[11:08] <soulrider> they wont really help you
[11:08] <soulrider> at least thats what i understand
[11:09] <soulrider> fribuntu: bummer
[11:09] <slyfox> soulrider: and if I have 3.5.5 they will ?
[11:09] <dima2001> slyfox: that means that Launchpad doesn't guarantee support for it.
[11:09] <scooter> working on installing it now
[11:09] <soulrider> slyfox: sont know really, but it doesnt really matter
[11:09] <dima2001> slyfox: in 96% of the cases not a problem :)
[11:09] <slyfox> dima2001: so you personally will not update ?
[11:09] <soulrider> its like every software you install on windows, unsuported
[11:09] <slyfox> soulrider: will you install this update ?
[11:09] <soulrider> i would install ANY updates
[11:10] <soulrider> you can trust the stuff in the repos
[11:10] <scooter> its in now what
[11:10] <scooter> lol
[11:10] <soulrider> and if you ever have a problem, IRC is there for you
[11:10] <slyfox> soulrider: so 3.5.6 - will you get this specific one ?
[11:10] <soulrider> scooter: type gparted in a console or look it up on the menu
[11:10] <slyfox> soulrider: what if I have a problem with irc ? :-)
[11:10] <soulrider> theres a new KDE out ? =/
[11:11] <dima2001> slyfox: no, it is just that the updates might not be addresses as fast as in the main repository (that's not the case, though)
[11:11] <soulrider> slyfox: i hughly doubt youll ahve a problem with irc
[11:11] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, what is the problem?
[11:11] <soulrider> in over half a year of using ubuntu i never had any problems
[11:11] <soulrider> except for some really dumb mistakes i made and broke my comp lol
[11:11] <slyfox> TheGateKeeper: Not really a problem, I am jsut a noob being curious if I should update to KDE 3..5.6 or not ?
[11:12] <HymnToLife> KDE 3.5.6 ?
[11:12] <scooter> is it GNOME partition editor
[11:12] <soulrider> slyfox: i would update
[11:12] <slyfox> soulrider: are you on Ubuntu or Kubuntu ?
[11:12] <soulrider> but i dont think 3.5.6 is out =/
[11:12] <soulrider> kubuntu
[11:12] <dima2001> I already managed to do an rm -rf /home/user/a_folder /* :)
[11:12] <slyfox> soulrider: it is
[11:12] <dima2001> CTRL-C was fast though *phew*
[11:12] <soulrider> oh yes
[11:12] <slyfox> soulrider: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[11:12] <soulrider> im reading in the kde page
[11:12] <HymnToLife> soulrider, yep, actually it is
[11:12] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, well in gentoo it's hard masked so for the time being I would stick with what you already have
[11:12] <slyfox> soulrider: it looks cool - bugs fixes
[11:12] <soulrider> allright, im gonna update right now
[11:13] <Flying_Eagle> im burning for feisty
[11:13] <HymnToLife> yeah, I'm up to 10 hours of compiling :D
[11:13] <slyfox> TheGateKeeper: hard masked? Sorry for my noobiness, but no idea what this is. Gentoo? I have Kubuntu... ?
[11:13] <dima2001> gentoo should provide kde-binaries soon, though :)
[11:13] <Flying_Eagle> am still on dapper and too lazy to upgrade to edgy before feisty is released
[11:14] <HymnToLife> dima2001, I'm not running Gentoo
[11:14] <soulrider> slyfox: gentoo is another distro
[11:14] <slyfox> What do you guys think about PCLinuxOS ? It is now #1, wow it did beat Ubuntu ...
[11:14] <slyfox> soulrider: yeah, so for gentoo it may be a problem, but for Kubuntu it looks finr
[11:14] <HymnToLife> because it's name is cheesier
[11:14] <dima2001> HymnToLife: me either, but I used to :)
[11:15] <slyfox> soulrider: it is just that reading "These packages are not well supported, security and other updates may not be applied promptly."  makes me think that once I install this, I will not get security updates.. ?
[11:15] <soulrider> slyfox: i believe the problem with gentoo is that they give you the  source, and not a compiled copy like ubuntu, so you have to compile it youself... which takes time
[11:15] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, hard masked mean that the dev have masked in such a way that you have to go 'out of your way' to install it. most distro's have stable, testing (which I am running on gentoo) and development. Strickly speaking 3.5.6 is still in development
[11:15] <HymnToLife> slyfox, yes you will, just maybe not for KDE stuff
[11:16] <HymnToLife> which rarely gets security updates anyway
[11:16] <Flying_Eagle> slyfox, where did you read this? that pclinuxos is no1?
[11:16] <slyfox> Flying_Eagle: Distro Watch.com ?
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, if a package is still in development, more likely to have bugs, more like to have 'show stopper' bugs
[11:17] <dima2001> slyfox: don't worry, it is a message for enterprises. It just means that Canonical's support and guarantees don't apply to these packages. Most of the packages have an active maintainer and he makes sure that they stay up-to-date :)
[11:17] <slyfox> HymnToLife: so stay with 3.5.5 ?
[11:17] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, that is what I would do
[11:17] <weedar> What program would I use to convert an xvid video clip to divx?
[11:17] <HymnToLife> weedar, avidemux
[11:17] <magnus_> hey, im totally new to linux, and i dont get my java complier to work, can someone help me
[11:17] <HymnToLife> divx ftl.
[11:18] <soulrider> slyfox: just update :P
[11:18] <weedar> HymnToLife: ftl?
[11:18] <Alumin> if it's already in xvid why would you want to transcode it?
[11:18] <slyfox> weedar: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/12786
[11:18] <dima2001> magnus_: do you have gcj/sun-jdk installed?
[11:18] <soulrider> slyfox: look at dima2001's expanation
[11:18] <weedar> Alumin: my dvd-recorder doesn't support xvid
[11:18] <magnus_> yes got jdk1.5.0_10
[11:18] <Alumin> bummer
[11:18] <slyfox> Ok, dima2001 and soulrider  are you updating to 3.5.6 ?!
[11:18] <soulrider> magnus_: install the package: sun-java5-jdk
[11:18] <Alumin> you're gonna lose quality doing the transcode, but I guess you're stuck with it
[11:19] <soulrider> i am slyfox, its downlaoding right now
[11:19] <HymnToLife> in such a case, I'd rather get a new one than use divx
[11:19] <Alumin> I'd use mencoder for the conversion, just to throw another one out there
[11:19] <dima2001> slyfox: nope, I just upgraded to feisty and it was enough of adventure today :)
[11:19] <weedar> HymnToLife: If I had the money to throw away, sure..but the dvd-recorder cost a bit :)
[11:19] <soulrider> lol dima2001
[11:19] <slyfox> dima2001: ?! it is not even out ?!
[11:19] <Alumin> haven't really played with avidemux
[11:19] <soulrider> slyfox: it is, but its beta
[11:19] <dima2001> herd-2 beta
[11:19] <slyfox> dima2001: Feisty Kubuntu ? or ubuntu
[11:19] <soulrider> you can install it but it might crash
[11:19] <dima2001> kubuntu
[11:20] <Tido> is everyone upgrading to 3.5.6 or is it considered not stable?
[11:20] <phobiac> I'm having an issue compiling the Cedega CVS sources. I'm running the script found at this guide: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[11:20] <HymnToLife> Avidemux is really nice, I don't know how well it handles divx though
[11:20] <dima2001> looks like they fixed most of russian translations :)
[11:20] <soulrider> im gonna go have dinner, bbl
[11:20] <HymnToLife> I only use Free Formats
[11:20] <slyfox> dima2001: so for me, a noob. If you were me, would you update to 3.5.6 ?
[11:20] <phobiac> Here's a pastebin of the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2915/
[11:20] <dima2001> slyfox: don't do that
[11:20] <slyfox> dima2001: pochemu net ?
[11:20] <dima2001> in short time there will be debian packages
[11:20] <dima2001> you will be able to install them easily
[11:20] <dima2001> right now it isn't easy
[11:20] <HymnToLife> what does DEbian have to do with anything ?
[11:20] <slyfox> dima2001: but there is alreay a debian package !
[11:21] <dima2001> magnus_: you have to setup your $PATH variable
[11:21] <slyfox> dima2001:  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main
[11:21] <dima2001> oh :)
[11:21] <dima2001> slyfox: wait a few days until others check the stability
[11:21] <slyfox> dima2001: there is number of them
[11:21] <dima2001> (:
[11:21] <dima2001> magnus_: basically: where is your java installed?
[11:21] <blindside> hey how to make konqueror scrolwith middle button?
[11:21] <blindside> when i click it
[11:21] <ourweedone> is the 3.5.6 kubuntu complete with all files so it's safe to update today?
[11:21] <blindside> also to close tabs
[11:21] <blindside> eg firefox
[11:22] <dima2001> I think you did it manually, therefore it should be somewhere in /opt, yes?
[11:22] <slyfox> ourweedone: you mean there is a Kubuntu full .iso file with KDE 3.5.6 ?
[11:23] <magnus_> its install on magnus@magnus-laptop:/usr/local$
[11:23] <dima2001> slyfox: I would suggest you to do what every company does, but on smaller extent (they wait a few months) - just wait a bit, you have plenty of time to upgrade
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> slyfox, why do you want 3.5.6, what does it have that you feel compelled to upgrade?
[11:23] <ourweedone> slyfox, no for those updating is the reposutory complete, very often there's messages on reposutorys saying files still are yet to add
[11:23] <HymnToLife> TheGateKeeper, bug fixes :p
[11:23] <dima2001> magnus_: and what's the problem starting javac? is javac just an unavailable command?
[11:23] <dima2001> or are there any other problems?
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, what specific is giving you problems?
[11:24] <phobiac> I'm having an issue compiling the Cedega CVS sources. I'm running the script found at this guide: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS And  Here's a pastebin of the error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2915/
[11:24] <phobiac> ^repost
[11:24] <scooter> thank you so much dima for helping me out it worked
[11:24] <magnus_> i get this when typing javac: bash: javac: command not found
[11:24] <slyfox> TheGateKeeper: no idea, I am addicted to being up to date :-)
[11:24] <HymnToLife> TheGateKeeper, don't try this on me, I'm definitely upgrading :p
[11:24] <dima2001> :)
[11:24] <slyfox> HymnToLife: so you are updating, right ?
[11:24] <ourweedone> when we add 3.5.6 reposutory to source file do we remove the old 3.5.5 reposutory line from source file?
[11:24] <slyfox> But Bugfixes are usually a good idea ?!
[11:25] <slyfox> ourweedone: good question
[11:25] <ourweedone> slyfox, hoping for good answer ^^
[11:25] <HymnToLife> no
[11:25] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, that isn't an answer lol
[11:25] <HymnToLife> the KDE 3.5.5 packages are in the main UBuntu repo
[11:25] <HymnToLife> so you certainly don't want to remove it
[11:25] <magnus_> so what do you think i should do dima
[11:26] <dima2001> magnus_: so, it is basically unset paths, it is quite easy to fix. You have to add a line to an invisible file in your home folder. First you have to find the absolute path to your javac.
[11:26] <HymnToLife> TheGateKeeper, didn't it happen to you that for some reason, your hidden Kicker won't show up when your pointer touches the screen's bottom
[11:26] <slyfox> I will resintall Kubuntu completely and update it to 6.10 I think I am ready to get rid of windows. Nothing that I need there.
[11:26] <HymnToLife> so ou have to manually minimize all your windows and reconfigure the panel hiding
[11:26] <HymnToLife> you*
[11:26] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, i have kubuntu 355 reposutory added to my sources list too so i leave that in and add 356? so then i have kde 355 in ubuntu reposutory and kde 355 kubuntu reposutory and kde 356 reposutory so that is 2 variations of kde 355 repoustory and 1 356!
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, nope still using 3.5.2 on kubuntu
[11:27] <HymnToLife> ourweedone, running Dapper ?
[11:27] <dima2001> e.g. if it was my machine, it would be /opt/jdk6/bin/ . So, I have to add the following line to the file ~/.bashrc   :  export PATH=$PATH:/opt/jdk6/bin
[11:27] <slyfox> Does anyone know how to make it so that when I download a file in Firefox, open and open containing flder actualyl works ?!
[11:27] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, yep
[11:27] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, Edgy !
[11:27] <dima2001> just substitute the /opt/jdk6/bin path by your own, on the next konsole restart it should be available
[11:27] <HymnToLife> ourweedone, you shouldn't have a 3.5.5 repo for Edgy
[11:27] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, so how many lines for kde do i need in sources file??
[11:28] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, yes kubuntu has a 355 reposutory for edgy and dapper
[11:28] <dima2001> additionally I would suggest you to add a second line to the file: export $JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk6   . Replace /opt/jdk6 with your path again
[11:28] <HymnToLife> ourweedone, Dapper only, KDE 3.5.5 is in the main Edgy repo
[11:28] <HymnToLife> !info kdebase edgy
[11:28] <ubotu> kdebase: base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 88 kB
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> HymnToLife, also using testing branch of gentoo, 3.5.5 kde apps & e17
[11:29] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, kubuntu has 355 reposutory with new stuff that ubuntu repusotory doesnt have!
[11:29] <dima2001> magnus_: an alternative and more "ubuntu" way is to follow the sun java section of the wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[11:29] <HymnToLife> ourweedone, WRONG
[11:29] <HymnToLife> (sorry)
[11:29] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, my question be as such now still..... i have ubuntu reposutorys and kubuntu reposutoryes
[11:29] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, i am not wrong
[11:29] <HymnToLife> you definitely are
[11:29] <magnus_> okey, thanks
[11:29] <dima2001> magnus_: good luck :)
[11:29] <HymnToLife> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php <= Dapper only
[11:29] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, no, i see new files on kubuntu reposutory sometimes
[11:29] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, my eyes do not lie to me
[11:30] <HymnToLife> mine don't either
[11:30] <HymnToLife> well, anyway
[11:30] <HymnToLife> you can jeep the 3.5.5 repo if you want
[11:30] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, and what do you see when you add edgy for that 355 kubuntu repo?
[11:30] <HymnToLife> apt will automatically pick the newest verion
[11:30] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, but you just said it doesnt exist
[11:30] <skirk_> hello, i have a big problem...i start Ubuntu...I have wait for 2 min but the board dont proceed...after 3 minute I see black window...the error message is:   BusyBox v1.1.3 Debian 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu3) Built-in shell (ash); /bin/sh: can't acess tty; job control turned off.......what I should do?
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> rofl
[11:30] <HymnToLife> keep*
[11:30] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, kde 355 for edgy does exist at kubuntu you add it and see
[11:30] <dima2001> are there any kde4 developer snapshots available already in the repos?
[11:31] <firecrotch> okay... since #beryl sucks, I'll ask this here: Window thumbnails are no longer working for me, they worked last night, and I haven't changed anything since then.  Any clue why?
[11:31] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, i then keep it and add 356 then that would be ok?
[11:31] <HymnToLife> yes
[11:31] <Ash-Fox> skirk_, something very bad happened. I would suggest you try booting from a livecd
[11:31] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, well done
[11:32] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, adept pick new software so it wont matter if keeping old would it
[11:32] <skirk_> Ash-Fox, and...?
[11:32] <skirk_> after i must re-install?
[11:32] <HymnToLife> yes, that's what I just said :p
[11:32] <skirk_> : /
[11:32] <Ash-Fox> skirk_, figure out what went wrong :P
[11:32] <skirk_> dho! T_T
[11:32] <Ash-Fox> skirk_, only time that's happened to me was when my harddrive failed.
[11:32] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, well done
[11:32] <ourweedone> HymnToLife, we are pleased to be with your help
[11:32] <juano_> skirk_: before i go, what did you install last time?
[11:33] <skirk_> mmm
[11:33] <skirk_> 1 week ago
[11:33] <skirk_> T_T
[11:33] <skirk_> I have important files...
[11:33] <juano_> skirk_: what was the last thing you installed?
[11:33] <skirk_> emh
[11:34] <ourweedone> Ash-Fox, you get tape drive and you feel better for backup solutions
[11:34] <skirk_> sshopen-server i think so...or update....
[11:34] <juano_> skirk_: does this happen at X level, or is the error happening right at the begining of boot?
[11:34] <skirk_> begining boot
[11:34] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, do you have multiple oses?
[11:34] <skirk_> yes
[11:34] <skirk_> dual boot
[11:34] <Ash-Fox> ourweedone, my backup solution is fine. My harddrive failing when i have no money isn't :P
[11:35] <devilsadvocate> so grub loads?
[11:35] <skirk_> windows and Ubuntu
[11:35] <skirk_> yea
[11:35] <skirk_> grubs load
[11:35] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, your harddrive is fine
[11:35] <skirk_> I choose Ubuntu
[11:35] <skirk_> mmm
[11:35] <skirk_> I dont think so...
[11:36] <ourweedone> Ash-Fox, if you have no money how do you pay to power hard drive when it work?
[11:36] <skirk_> I choose Ubuntu..
[11:36] <skirk_> .the boot dont proceed...
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, rasiest way to fix it is to reinstall
[11:36] <skirk_> after 3 min i see black window..
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, boot into windows and backup your files via explore2fs or some such thing
[11:36] <devilsadvocate> then use the cd to reinstall from scratch
[11:37] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, are you able to boot into recovery mode?
[11:37] <skirk_> Do you have another soulution?
[11:37] <skirk_> yes
[11:37] <skirk_> recovery mode
[11:37] <dima2001> probably x-server failing in a funky way?
[11:37] <slyfox> Did anyone here ever connect cell phone to kde via bluetooth? #kmobiletools - no one is answering there
[11:37] <dima2001> no
[11:37] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, sound like you may have messes up some permissions
[11:38] <devilsadvocate> i agree with dima2001
[11:38] <dima2001> no, I'm wrong, you would see splashscreen/console output
[11:38] <skirk_> mmm
[11:38] <devilsadvocate> slyfox, i remember reading abt something in the forums
[11:38] <devilsadvocate> dima2001, not necessarily
[11:38] <slyfox> devilsadvocate: it seems that before I can use it, I need to first figure out how to conenct my cell phone to kde ?
[11:39] <dima2001> well, it should be either X or framebuffer/usplash etc., I suppose
[11:39] <devilsadvocate> it would try to output the error onto tty0
[11:39] <devilsadvocate> its not the usplash, at;east unlikely to be
[11:39] <skirk_> yes tty
[11:39] <skirk_> the error is about tty
[11:40] <skirk_> ash: can't access tty; job control turned off...
[11:40] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, can you boot into recovery mode and type startx
[11:40] <devilsadvocate> dima2001, wtf is ash?
[11:40] <skirk_> no, recovery mode is egual like normal boto
[11:40] <skirk_> boot*
[11:40] <skirk_> after 3 min i see black screen with error...
[11:40] <skirk_> : /
[11:41] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, recovery mode gives the same error?
[11:41] <devilsadvocate> then your X is not the problem
[11:41] <distro-tester> hi all
[11:41] <skirk_> ja
[11:41] <dima2001> devilsadvocate: either bash or some other kind of a shell
[11:41] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, are you on another computer?
[11:41] <skirk_> yes
[11:41] <skirk_> now im on Ubuntu on notebook
[11:41] <surgy> hello
[11:41] <surgy> !kweather
[11:41] <ubotu> kweather: weather display applet for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1213 kB, installed size 2268 kB
[11:41] <devilsadvocate> what kernel arguments are you using to boot?
[11:41] <skirk_> I have my workspace next to me
[11:41] <distro-tester> how is it going for all?
[11:42] <devilsadvocate> look in the grub entry
[11:42] <skirk_> ok
[11:42] <skirk_> wait
[11:42] <skirk_> 10 sec
[11:42] <devilsadvocate> k
[11:42] <dima2001> iirc you can check it form the boot menu in grub
[11:42] <dima2001> press e
[11:42] <tamacracka> Does anyone know about TVU?
[11:42] <skirk_> Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.17-10-generic
[11:42] <dima2001> if it isn't a syllable hack :)
[11:42] <tamacracka> and if there's a similar thing to TVU for Linux and Firefox?
[11:42] <devilsadvocate> skirk_, type 'e' and then
[11:43] <skirk_> ok
[11:43] <skirk_> then?
[11:43] <devilsadvocate> tell me what follows the root=/dev/hda*
[11:43] <devilsadvocate> on the 3rd line pbbly
[11:43] <skirk_> root (hd0,6)
[11:43] <distro-tester> can any one detail me how u dubble partion xp kubuntu whit his partioner so i write it down and try it?
[11:43] <devilsadvocate> after that?
[11:43] <skirk_> ups
[11:43] <tamacracka> does anyone know if we can watch live TV broadcasts on LInux/Firefox?
[11:43] <dima2001> the thing after kernel= should be important
[11:43] <skirk_> wait
[11:43] <distro-tester> yes whit sopcast tamcracka
[11:44] <distro-tester> tama*
[11:44] <distro-tester> can any one detail me how u dubble partion xp kubuntu whit his partioner so i write it down and try it?
[11:44] <devilsadvocate> !partitioning
[11:44] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[11:44] <dima2001> mine is e.g. kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-5-generic root=/dev/sda6 ro quiet splash
[11:45] <distro-tester> im whit xp can i use that stuff devil?
[11:45] <devilsadvocate> !dual-boot
[11:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual-boot - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:45] <devilsadvocate> !dualboot
[11:45] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:45] <Tido> holy, ok so I just added http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main as one of my repos, and wow it says I have a lot of updates to make
[11:45] <Tido> am I to assume those are kosher, stable updates?
[11:45] <distro-tester> thanx
[11:45] <Tido> that's not development stuff right?
[11:45] <distro-tester> don't speak kosher tido
[11:46] <skirk> devilsadvocate,
[11:46] <devilsadvocate> yep
[11:46] <skirk> i have catch with my legs the power on/off cable and I have turn off my notebook :P
[11:46] <skirk> asd
[11:47] <devilsadvocate> :)
[11:47] <skirk> ok
[11:47] <skirk> the third line
[11:47] <skirk> initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2,6,17-10-generic
[11:47] <devilsadvocate> after kernel = linux....
[11:47] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[11:48] <devilsadvocate> there is a line saying
[11:48] <devilsadvocate> kernel = .... ro quiet splash
[11:48] <devilsadvocate> are those 3 words there?
[11:48] <chovy> how do i install LAME?
[11:48] <devilsadvocate> it might start with a long uuid
[11:48] <skirk> after emh
[11:49] <devilsadvocate> !mp3
[11:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:49] <Jucato> !lame | chovy
[11:49] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[11:49] <devilsadvocate> chovy, why do you need it?
[11:49] <chovy> devilsadvocate: to encode an mp3
[11:49] <skirk> kernel /boot/vmlinux/-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdc7 ro quiet splash->
[11:50] <skirk> what "->"?
[11:50] <skirk> : /
[11:50] <devilsadvocate> skirk, THAT MEANS THERE IS MORE
[11:50] <skirk> asd
[11:50] <slyfox> Does anyone know how do I connect my cell phone to Kubuntu via bluetooth? I cant find it anywhere
[11:50] <devilsadvocate> sorry abt caps
[11:50] <skirk> ok
[11:50] <skirk> How I see more?
[11:50] <skirk> ops
[11:50] <skirk> How can I see more?
[11:50] <skirk> :D
[11:51] <devilsadvocate> select the command and press e i believe
[11:51] <devilsadvocate> then use arrowkeys
[11:51] <chovy> slyfox: do you have a bluetooth reader?
[11:51] <skirk> kernel /boot/vmlinux/-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdc7 ro quiet splash
[11:51] <devilsadvocate> look at the instructions on the bottom
[11:51] <slyfox> chovy: is that an applicaiton I get in Adept ?
[11:51] <skirk> ok
[11:51] <skirk> the complete line is
[11:51] <chovy> slyfox: it's hardware
[11:51] <devilsadvocate> skirk, edit that line to remove quiet and splash
[11:51] <skirk> kernel /boot/vmlinux/-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hdc7 ro quiet splash
[11:51] <skirk> ok
[11:51] <devilsadvocate> then press enter
[11:52] <chovy> slyfox: you have to have an antenna to read it.
[11:52] <devilsadvocate> then hit b
[11:52] <skirk> ok
[11:52] <skirk> now?
[11:52] <skirk> ok
[11:52] <slyfox> chovy: Yes, of course !
[11:52] <devilsadvocate> wait for it to crash
[11:52] <slyfox> chovy: software wise, what do I use to connect my cell phone ?
[11:52] <devilsadvocate> :)
[11:52] <skirk> mmmm
[11:52] <skirk> block...
[11:53] <skirk> : /
[11:53] <soulrider> slyfox: i just updated :)
[11:53] <devilsadvocate> what text do you see?
[11:53] <skirk> nothing...
[11:53] <slyfox> soulrider: how was it? :-)
[11:53] <soulrider> couldnt ahve been smoother
[11:53] <distro-tester> can any one follow me to dubble partion xp and kubuntu 6.10?
[11:53] <slyfox> soulrider: anythig new visually ?
[11:53] <devilsadvocate> nothing at all?
[11:53] <soulrider> dont think so
[11:53] <skirk> the last line is...
[11:54] <soulrider> brb
[11:54] <devilsadvocate> did any text flash by?
[11:54] <skirk> Begin: Waiting for root file system...
[11:54] <skirk> _
[11:54] <skirk> : /
[11:54] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[11:54] <distro-tester> if u tell me it devil ill write it down im not good to do stuff alone
[11:54] <Skrot> Hi. Which group does my user need to be in in order to be allowed to use a CD/DVD recorder?
[11:54] <devilsadvocate> did you try any partitioning or doing anything to this from windows?
[11:54] <skirk> Skrot, K3b
[11:54] <chovy> how the heck do i install LAME?
[11:54] <chovy> i don't see it in adept manager.
[11:54] <skirk> mmm
[11:54] <distro-tester> i am on xp now devil
[11:55] <devilsadvocate> chovy, sudo apt-get search lame
[11:55] <Skrot> skirk: K3B doesn't find any drives when I run it as my normal users, if I run as sudo it finds it. My normal user is added to the groups "burning" and "cdrom".
[11:55] <distro-tester> when u ready to follow me i can start
[11:55] <devilsadvocate> distro-tester, follow the how-to. you'll be fine
[11:55] <dima2001> Skrot: if you choose the options menu (the prelast), you will find an assistant there to set up your account
[11:55] <skirk> devilsadvocate, !!!!!!!!
[11:55] <distro-tester> ok can u give me a link for begginers?
[11:55] <chovy> devilsadvocate: how do i do it from the adept manager?
[11:55] <distro-tester> im scared to do mess
[11:55] <skirk> maybe we find the fucking error
[11:55] <skirk> :D
[11:55] <devilsadvocate> skirk, did you try any partitioning or doing anything to this from windows?
[11:56] <rr72> gethostname() always fails for me
[11:56] <Skrot> dima2001: Where do I find it?
[11:56] <devilsadvocate> chovy, no idea. never used it:P
[11:56] <djburnout> hi all
[11:56] <skirk> ALERT! /dev/hdc7 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
[11:56] <skirk> :D
[11:56] <skirk> sad
[11:56] <rr72> i don't even know what it is run from
[11:56] <skirk> asd
[11:56] <distro-tester> hello
[11:56] <slyfox> Anyone knows how to connect cell phone via bluetooth ?
[11:56] <Jucato> chovy: you  need to enable multiverse
[11:56] <devilsadvocate> skirk, your kubuntu partition got wiped
[11:56] <Jucato> !multiverse | chovy
[11:56] <ubotu> chovy: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:56] <skirk> wiped?
[11:56] <devilsadvocate> atleast the partition table is messed up
[11:56] <skirk> so?
[11:56] <skirk> T_T
[11:57] <devilsadvocate> did you try doing anything form windows, ?
[11:57] <devilsadvocate> from*
[11:57] <skirk> yes
[11:57] <skirk> on windows
[11:57] <devilsadvocate> what did you do?
[11:57] <skirk> is all right
[11:57] <dima2001> start k3b, look on top. There is file ... edit ... etc and the one before help should contain a sub-point (the prelast again :) ) which will do it for you
[11:57] <skirk> no
[11:57] <skirk> emh...
[11:57] <chovy> apt-get search is not a valid parameter
[11:57] <devilsadvocate> ok
[11:57] <dima2001> sorry, I don't have english locale right now
[11:57] <devilsadvocate> did you try any partitioner recently?
[11:57] <dima2001> therefore I can jsut guess the menu names :D
[11:57] <skirk> no
[11:58] <distro-tester> !dualboot
[11:58] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[11:58] <devilsadvocate> skirk, did you try to edit menu.lst
[11:58] <skirk> no...
[11:58] <devilsadvocate> how many partitions do you have?
[11:58] <skirk> swap
[11:59] <skirk> mmm
[11:59] <devilsadvocate> totally
[11:59] <skirk> ah ok
[11:59] <devilsadvocate> including windows
[11:59] <skirk> 5 I think...
[11:59] <devilsadvocate> skirk, your menu.lst is fucked up
[11:59] <skirk> dho!!!
[11:59] <devilsadvocate> skirk, do you have any live cd?
[11:59] <skirk> yes
[12:00] <skirk> 6.10
[12:00] <LjL> !language | devilsadvocate
[12:00] <ubotu> devilsadvocate: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[12:00] <devilsadvocate> boot into it
[12:00] <devilsadvocate> LjL, sorry
[12:00] <skirk> ok wait 1 min
[12:00] <elyon225> Okay, I reinstalled Kubuntu without a problem and everything is working again.  But I'm going to pick up an nVidia GeForce 6200 in a few minutes.  Is there anything I need to know before putting it in?  Do I need to prep the system at all, or should it be recognized automatically?
[12:00] <swanfl> I need some help wih Amarok
[12:01] <skirk> devilsadvocate, first I want try to see my HD, beaucose I have strange sens,,,
[12:01] <skirk> lol
[12:01] <devilsadvocate> swanfl, ?
[12:02] <devilsadvocate> skirk, what?
[12:02] <dima2001> remove the splash and quiet options, the kernel should give the output on boot (you can do that via e in grub)
[12:02] <dima2001> jk_: go for a sleep :)
[12:02] <devilsadvocate> dima2001, hds7 failed to respon, and he has only 5 partitions
[12:02] <devilsadvocate> hda7
[12:03] <swanfl> MN
[12:03] <swanfl> er NM
[12:03] <swanfl> I found it
[12:03] <swanfl> rather, my wife found it
[12:03] <dima2001> errm I missed something :) scrolling up ...
[12:03] <devilsadvocate> skirk, how many hard drives do you have?
[12:03] <driz> hello. whats the easiest way to get the new firefox 2.0.1
[12:04] <dima2001> so, hda7 is a totally wrong partition entry?
[12:04] <devilsadvocate> driz, wait for it to show up in the repos :P
[12:04] <devilsadvocate> dima2001, i think so. i'm trying to get him int a live cd so we can find out
[12:04] <driz> ooh...
[12:04] <dima2001> ah, great idea :)
[12:05] <dima2001> then fdisk should reveal everything :)
[12:05] <devilsadvocate> yeah
[12:05] <devilsadvocate> thats the plan
[12:05] <kubuntu_noob> can anyone help me get my sound back? i booted up my computer today andnow no sound?!?!? weird no?
[12:06] <roniez> hm.. for some reason my wireless isnt working anymore bah, where can i set it to connect to a specific wireless directly from boot_
[12:06] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: smash on konsole and start alsamixer and look if the master and pcm bars are there and if there is M instead of OO under any of them
[12:06] <skirk> ok I reboot with LiveCD
[12:06] <sebbar> hi, is it safe to upgrade to kde 3.5.6? any problems?
[12:07] <devilsadvocate> skirk, open a terminal
[12:07] <devilsadvocate> konsole
[12:07] <skirk> wait 2 sec
[12:08] <skirk> devilsadvocate, I have install a Themes from Gnome-Look site...its possibile there is the cause ?
[12:09] <devilsadvocate> unlikely
[12:09] <devilsadvocate> you in the live cd?
[12:09] <kubuntu_noob> master is cranked, headphone is cranked, pcm cranked, line muted, cd cranked, iec958 is off (what is iec958 anyway?)
[12:09] <skirk> wait....
[12:09] <skirk> I think it is block...
[12:10] <devilsadvocate> skirk, even booting into the live cd?
[12:10] <mateusz> i need sources.list
[12:10] <skirk> I try...
[12:11] <devilsadvocate> skirk, personally i suggest a reinstall if you dont have any important data
[12:11] <kubuntu_noob> any ideas?
[12:11] <devilsadvocate> but then thats a typical windows solution
[12:11] <skirk> yes I have important...
[12:11] <devilsadvocate> ok
[12:11] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: try to : killall artsd && sudo cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp     make sure your boxes are not at max. It should give a weird sound if the soundcard is ok
[12:11] <devilsadvocate> get into a live seeion and then lets see what we can do
[12:12] <dima2001> you can always cancel with ctrl-c
[12:12] <devilsadvocate> skirk, do you happen toremember the name of the partition on which you installed kubuntu?
[12:12] <skirk> emh
[12:12] <skirk> i have ubuntu : /
[12:12] <devilsadvocate> ok
[12:12] <dima2001> devilsadvocate: shouldnt it be in the fstab?
[12:12] <skirk> asd
[12:12] <skirk> ok
[12:13] <dima2001> skirk: it's no difference :)
[12:13] <skirk> the partition
[12:13] <skirk> :)
[12:13] <skirk> ok
[12:13] <devilsadvocate> dima2001, if we can eventually reach a live session
[12:13] <devilsadvocate> :|
[12:13] <dima2001> ah :D
[12:13] <magnus_> okey, how do i path this to work everywhere?    magnus@magnus-laptop:~/Desktop$ /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin/javac
[12:14] <kubuntu_noob> it's true it is now giving me a really weird noise
[12:14] <Jucato> magnus_: sudo update-alternatives --config java