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=== Chipzz frowns :)
Chipzzchipzz@Reel:~/test$ ldd /usr/bin/gnome-terminal | grep -i xdmcp libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb71a9000)01:00
Chipzzwhere the hell did that come from? :)01:00
Chipzz*scratches head*01:00
mdkeI'm guessing you typed it in01:01
Chipzzno :)01:03
ChipzzI mean the xdmcp dependency of gnome-terminal01:03
Chipzzmakes little sense :P01:03
mdkethere was a new release of gnome-terminal recently, you could have a look in the changelog I guess01:04
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TheMusoc03:06
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bddebiana03:22
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adhochi guys04:21
adhocany ideas on the impact of the Bind 9 security announcement by ISC ?04:21
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mjg59bhale: Do any of the beagle preferences work yet?06:23
mjg59I'm trying to get beagle to skip indexing my kernel source directory (for fairly obvious reasons), but it doesn't seem enthusiastic06:24
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Solarionheya mjg06:25
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Solarionmjg59: I had thought they were06:26
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Solarionweird06:27
Solarionmaybe it takes a bit to take effect?06:27
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Solarionare there any particular pointers to heed when making an ubuntu vmware image?06:29
Solarionnotably, for the player06:29
Solarionanyone know why ubuntu-dekstop would be held back upgrading to feisty herd 2?06:30
Solarionit also seems to want to remove 21 packages.06:35
jdongmjg59, I feel your pain... I've had beagle digress a bit too far doing its indexing before, too :D06:42
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keescookadhoc: which bind announcement?08:28
torkel_keescook: probably http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=bind-announce&m=116968519321296&w=208:30
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keescooktorkel: ah, thanks.  funny, they haven't listed it here yet: http://www.isc.org/index.pl?/sw/bind/bind-security.php08:31
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keescookhiya cjwatson08:37
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Mithrandircjwatson,mvo,pitti: could we have a discussion about how we want to do SRUs for app-data-commercial?09:46
mvoMithrandir: please, if possible now, it shouldn't take long09:46
mvo(hopefully :)09:46
lifelesshttp://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/possible-conflicts/09:47
Mithrandirmvo: sure, whenever is fine for me.09:47
ajmitchlifeless: that looks useful09:47
lifelessajmitch: excellent.09:47
pittiMithrandir, cjwatson, mvo: fine for me, now or in the next hours09:48
ajmitchfile per package might be a bit easier to read, though09:48
dholbachgood morning09:48
lifelessajmitch: not as easy to post process through I think09:49
ajmitchhey daniel09:49
\shmoins09:50
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lifelessBenC: http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/possible-conflicts/09:53
BenClifeless: thanks09:53
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lifelessajmitch: let me know about changes you would like. Doing per package files is possible I guess, but needs some consideration i think10:00
lifelessajmitch: a new version of the content arrives ~ 25 past the hour10:00
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Slant_LaptopI'm investigating 49221. My theory at the moment is it is caused by the system clock shifting forward during the fadeout.10:07
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ograRobot101, hey, thanks for the pulse hint ... :)10:11
Robot101ogra: aha, np. :)10:13
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Robot101ogra: why is the asound pulse thing missing?10:13
Robot101it's the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle10:14
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Slant_LaptopYup.10:14
Slant_LaptopThat's confirmed.10:14
ograRobot101, no idea, i only synced pulse from debian and disabled all jack related things so we could get it to main 10:15
ograso it will be missing in debian as well ...10:16
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mneptokheya mako 12:21
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bhalemjg59: the only notable thing that didnt work was "start search and indexing automatically", because it was a suseism. it works now with fdo autostart01:09
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mjg59bhale: Hm. I added an exclusion, but nothing seemed to happen.01:11
mjg59Does it need a daemon restart?01:12
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bhalemjg59: hm, ive added some mail folder exclusions recently and they seem to be working01:13
mjg59Hm.01:13
bhaleunsure on restarting01:13
mjg59Hm.01:13
mjg59Now I can't get it to notice stuff I put in there...01:13
bhaleah01:14
mjg59So it seems to be working ok now01:14
bhalerock. see if it removes the index of stuff in there, mail seemed to01:14
bhalewhihc means i get relevant emails up front when searching, instead of all my spam01:15
mjg59Yeah, seems to have done01:15
mjg59If I copy a file out of the excluded directory, it shows up01:16
mjg59Remove the copy and it vanishes again01:16
mjg59So that seems good01:16
bhalecool.01:16
bhalethe next release looks to have a lot of QoS stuff01:16
mjg59I think it doesn't help that something in 2.6.20 is killing ata throughput01:16
mjg59I'm only getting 10MB/sec off disk01:17
bhaleugh..01:17
mjg59Can you try doing a hdparm -t and see what you get?01:17
bhalesure01:17
mjg59I'm interested in finding out how general this is01:17
bhale Timing buffered disk reads:  126 MB in  3.02 seconds =  41.66 MB/sec01:17
bhalei would guess this is normal, possibly a bit low/01:17
bhale7200rpm sata01:18
mjg59What chipset?01:18
bhaleintel ...01:18
mjg59Hm01:18
mjg59I'm only getting 20MB/sec off my Intel sata system01:18
mjg59Let me try bumping the kernel01:18
bhale00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01)01:19
mjg59Kernel version?01:19
bhale20-501:19
bhalegeneric01:19
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bhaleits morning here, I have to run to work01:20
bhalegood luck with that01:20
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mjg59bhale: Hm, faster again on -501:25
mjg59 Timing buffered disk reads:  212 MB in  3.00 seconds =  70.55 MB/sec01:25
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tepsipakkimjg59: hi, does usplash support svg-themes?01:29
mjg59No01:29
tepsipakkiok01:29
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tepsipakkiit was reported in August to suppot that :)01:29
tepsipakki+r01:29
mjg59Really? By whom?01:30
tepsipakkiUWN01:30
tepsipakkilet me check01:30
tepsipakkihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue801:30
mjg59Oh01:31
mjg59SVGA images01:31
mjg59Not SVG ones01:31
tepsipakkihah01:31
mjg59Someone's got the wrong idea01:31
tepsipakkithere are bugs about getting more resolutions supported, but the artwork-team would like to have a single svg-theme to support them all01:32
tepsipakkianyway that's how I understood it01:32
tepsipakkimy "30 HP accepts only plain vga or the max 2560x160001:33
tepsipakkinot that I'm rebooting this a lot ;)01:33
mjg59Well, usplash won't usefully do anything outside the standard vesa ranges01:33
tkamppeterdoko, ping01:35
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pittiBenC: for some reason your magic command to only build the powerpc flavour is not in my bash_history any more; could you please tell me again?01:59
BenCCONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 fakeroot debian/rules binary-debs flavours=powerpc01:59
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seb128ogra: ping02:08
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sfllawmvo: Ping?02:41
sfllawmvo: There's an apt-listchanges bug that I'd like you to look at...02:42
mvohello sfllaw02:42
sfllawmvo: Want to come over and look?02:44
sfllawapt-listchanges claims:02:44
sfllawThe gtk frontend needs a working python-gtk2 and python-glade2.02:44
sfllawThose imports can not be found. Falling back to pager.02:44
sfllawAnd it's because02:44
sfllaw> /usr/share/apt-listchanges/apt_listchanges.py(122)make_frontend()02:44
sfllaw-> gtk = __import__("AptListChangesGtk")02:44
sfllaw(Pdb) n02:44
sfllawImportError: 'Bad magic number in /usr/lib/site-python/AptListChangesGtk.pyc'02:44
sfllawIs there any more information you need in a bug report?02:45
mvosfllaw: that is feisty?02:45
sfllawYes.02:45
mvosfllaw: I have a look, thanks. how is the sugarcrm verification going?02:45
sfllawDownloading to verify.02:46
mvogreat, thanks02:46
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mvosfllaw: what date does this file has?02:54
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sfllaw10-20-200603:00
sfllawmvo: ^^^03:00
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sfllawjono: mdz wanted me to mention UbuCon to you, which is in three weeks in New York.03:26
jonosfllaw: right, I had a mail about it which I need to get to03:26
jonosfllaw: did he just want to make me aware of it or something else?03:26
sfllawjono: Make you aware of it, in case you wanted to go.03:27
sfllawjono: Both mdz and I will have trouble attending.03:27
sfllawjono: I have to apologize to John, as I had offered to give a talk that I cannot now present.03:28
jonosfllaw: will see what I can do, might be able to fit it in, but I am travelling a bit over the next few months03:30
jonoif I can make it, will get there :)03:30
sfllawjono: Thanks.03:30
jononp :)03:30
sfllawjono: Sorry for the short notice.03:30
jonono worries :)03:30
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bddebianHeya03:42
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sladensfllaw: that clashes with SkyCon in Ireland---which I think Jono might already be at?03:52
jonosladen: bugger, I thought the dates sounded funny03:53
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\shhmmm..since this morning, there is no sound coming from my headphones or speakers..(ibm TP T43)...all alsamixer configs are correct...anyone getting this problem too?04:11
\shneither gnome, kde or xfce...04:11
bddebianWhat has happened to gnome-vfs-mime.h??04:14
lifelessBenC: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/80958 <- that sdhci crash04:14
UbugtuMalone bug 80958 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sdhci error report in syslog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  04:14
BenClifeless: interesting...maybe a BIOS update would hep too?04:15
lifelessBenC: brand new motherboard as of 2 weeks ago04:16
lifelessBenC: I'm 95% sure its at the latest rev already04:16
BenClifeless: It's still possible that there may be an update04:16
lifelessif there is, HTF do I apply it ?04:16
BenClifeless: My Intel machine was able to do it from a downloadable ISO04:17
\shuh...now it's playing sound only from the port replicator jacks 04:17
lifelessmdz: I plan to do a launchpad update this afternoon, is that ok ?04:19
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jdonglifeless, many BIOS manufacturers are nice enough to give ISO formatted update downloads... else they'd give you boot floppies04:19
lifelessjdong: no floppy drive04:19
jdonglifeless, in the latter case, burn them into a bootable ISO :)04:19
jdongbootable ISO =  virtual floppy drive04:19
mdzlifeless: this afternoon UTC, meaning in the next couple of hours?04:19
lifelessmdz: yes04:19
sladen\sh: file bug, hassle mjg59 has he has a handle on most of the sound jack issues04:19
lifelessmdz: should not affect soyuz04:20
mdzlifeless: expected length of the outage?04:20
lifelessmdz: 10 minutes or less04:20
mdzlifeless: ok, please notify ubuntu-devel04:20
\shsladen, well, funny thing, yesterday, same kernel, the laptop jacks were working...since this morning after the updates, the default behaviour is just gone.. 04:20
sladen\sh: report it quickly so that whoever made the change can put 2+2 together04:22
lifelessmdz: done04:23
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sladencjwatson: is your wiki documentation for hacking the installer up somewhere, I haven't found it with a casual google04:48
lifelesswiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment/TODO IIRC04:50
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fabbioneiwj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/lvm_get_md_right.diff04:57
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gnomefreakwho is our ff developer atm? i know we are working on hiring one but do we have one in meantime?05:16
iwjgnomefreak: No, we don't really have one in the meantime.  There's the mozillateam list which has some keen people on it.05:16
gnomefreakiwj: yeah me05:17
gnomefreaklol05:17
iwjSorry, I get confused by irc nicks :-).05:18
gnomefreaklocal news feeds and help are only in english. im assuming thats us05:18
iwjI think so, yes.05:18
gnomefreaksince upstream packages are correct05:18
gnomefreakok i will see if anyone on the team knows how to work this one out05:18
iwjWe should probably move some of that customisation to our locale package stuff.05:19
gnomefreakis ther ea general local package i can add to bug?05:20
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jdongcan an archive admin clear backports binary NEW please?05:27
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AnAnt_I got a problem with pbuilder, I have set COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" in /etc/pbuilderrc05:51
AnAnt_yet, when I run pbuilder it cannot find packages that are in universe !05:51
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krangHey all, I'm not sure if this is a bug, but if I edit /etc/network/interfaces to set a static IP for my one NIC, then save and restart networking, I see that UDP port 68 is still open with dhclient3 listening on it. Should that be happening?06:18
Mithrandirhow are you restarting the networking?06:18
krang/etc/init.d/networking restart06:18
Mithrandirthat doesn't touch the interfaces, use ifup/ifdown06:19
keescookgoood morning06:19
ograevening06:19
ogra:)06:19
kylemvietnaaaaaam06:19
krangMithrandir: are you sure it doesn't touch the interfaces? My IP had changed to the static one I set at the end of it06:19
Mithrandirkrang: it shouldn't no.06:19
krangMithrandir: er, maybe that's a bug then, because it definitely did06:20
krangMithrandir: yeah, I just looked at the script for that, it's nothing *but* if-up and if-downs. Which, on reflection, would explain why dhclient was still there afterwards06:25
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_MMA_Hello guys.06:39
_MMA_I have been asked by hopeful Ubuntu Studio users if it would be possible to use a different limits.conf when we install "linux-lowlatency"?06:39
_MMA_Look at the section marked "Real-Time Support" for reference to what I mean: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation06:39
_MMA_Is there a good way to go about this?06:39
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lifeless_MMA_: have a package that configures that. It should not be tied to the kernel IMO06:51
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lifelessok, lp is going down for a short period now, 10 minutes at most07:16
jdong^^ famous last words07:16
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lifelessdone07:31
lifelessjdong: pfft07:31
jdonglol07:31
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czrare there any ia64-people around?07:57
czrfailed to install 6.06.1 on an rx2600, just have some questions about the state of the port07:57
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DogWaterHi, does anyone know of a plausable work around for [Bug 79562] 08:40
UbugtuMalone bug 79562 in Ubuntu "Edgy netboot/mini doesn't pick up kernel security fix" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7956208:40
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torrrtorrrI want to choose a distro for "TerminalServer" with linux,I am wondering if ubuntu-desktop would be a good choice09:04
torrr09:32torrrI am know how to make Gentoo be a terminalServer, since I tested it in VMWare, I've just been told by CrossOver Office, that they support ubuntu better09:04
torrrtorrrand I have been told that Gentoo is good for servers, and now I wonder if ubuntu-desktop would perform well in a multi-user environment, compared to other distro's09:04
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LaserJocktorrr: this is not the right channel09:04
LaserJocktorrr: continue the discussion in #edubuntu or ask #ubuntu09:05
Adri2000can I ask an archive admin to 'give back' a package which FTBFSed on one (or two) arch or have I to upload a new version for rebuild?09:06
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geserAdri2000: which one?10:09
Adri2000geser: mplayerplug-in10:10
Adri2000geser: amd64 FTBFS should be fixed now10:10
keescooklamont: do you have any test cases for testing bind backports?  I've started doing some backports, but I'd like to have a way to test.  :)10:10
geserAdri2000: then ask Mithrandir or lamont for a give-back10:11
lamontkeescook: generally speaking I (1) package upstream bits, and (2) install it on my nameserver for a bit10:11
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Adri2000lamont: :)10:11
keescooklamont: heh.  do you use dnssec?10:11
lamontAdri2000: whcih package?10:11
lamontkeescook: what's that? :-)10:11
Adri2000mplayerplug-in, amd64 please10:11
lamontkeescook: I'd love  a patch for sarge... :-)10:12
keescooklamont: yeah, saw that; thought I'd talk about it here since I'm currently doing the Ubuntu changes so far.  :)10:12
keescooksarge is 9.2.x...10:13
lamontah, right.. you are in that channel.  cool10:13
lamontyeah10:13
lamontmy personal pref for sarge would be to package 9.2.8 and be happy.  that won't fly with some though10:13
keescookhehe10:13
keescookeven the 9.3.3 backport worries me.  9.3.3 seems to be missing a bunch of UNLOCK calls.... 10:13
keescooker, sorry, 9.3.210:14
lamontright10:14
keescookI want to test the code paths... but the advisory barely tells me what was causing the problems.  bleh10:14
lamontmy usual argument runs something along the lines of "ISC does a good job of not introducing new instability into a fix-release.  There is no way that I can duplicate the level of testing and auditing that the community provides for their releases.  kthxbye"10:15
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lamontkeescook: sometimes that argument wins10:16
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keescooklamont: I'm not sure I can convince pitti.  :)10:16
keescookdo you have any insight into actual proofs-of-concept for the issues they mention?10:17
lamontvendorsec might have something - haven't looked.  more likely it's just going to be what's in the changelog and the source.10:18
lamontI can possibly scare up a cvs diff for you if you think that'll help10:18
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keescookvsec has nothing (though we've asked ISC -- no response).  source has no details either.  :P10:18
keescookthe diff is pretty clear.  but I'm not (yet) familiar with bind9 guts, so I'm not sure how to hit the code from the outside10:19
keescookI guess I'll just keep testing and hope ISC gets back to vsec.  :)10:19
lamontkeescook: any CVE assigned to this yet?10:22
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keescooklamont: yeah, CVE-2007-0493 CVE-2007-049410:23
lamontkeescook: both CVE for all of the diff releases?10:23
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keescooklamont: yeah, looks like it.  both 9.2.8 and 9.3.4 seem to be entirely security updates for the same two issues.10:24
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keescookyeah, I noticed they bumped the lib/dns/api ... 10:27
lamonthrm... ENOPITTI - he's harder to convince when he's not here...10:27
lamontyeah - abi bumps are normal for them10:27
LaserJockheh, that's the funniest error I've seen lately10:28
keescooklamont: I assume the bump is real due to the addition of that reference counter, but it wasn't clear to me if that was an _external_ ABI or not...10:30
lamontthey seem to be good about abi major and minor numbers10:30
lamontwow.  no  filename  changes in 9.3.410:31
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lamontkeescook: lately I've taken to running 9.4.0 release candidates, with an eye towards actually configuring dnssec10:32
keescooklamont: yeah, what do you make of the abi changes as far as backporting goes?10:34
lamontnow you see part of why I don't bother with backporting :-)10:34
lamontor rather, strive to  avoid it10:34
keescook:)10:34
lamont_IFF_ I was backporting, and there was an abi bump between 9.2.x and 9.3.0, then I'd be tempted to make a similar change to the abi for the 9.2.x, esp if I could land it between 9.2.4 and 9.2.8's name10:35
lamontthe good part is that they tend to leave some room when they bump abi numbers10:35
lamonte.g., 22 -> 3210:35
lamont(9.3 -> 9.4)10:35
keescookyeah, this has wandered into territory I'm less familiar with.  I haven't done a lot of abi changes.10:37
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lamontkeescook: what all versions do you need for ubuntu?11:00
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keescook9.3.1,2,311:00
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keescookyeah11:00
=== lamont begins his quest by looking at the differences between 9.3.1 and 9.3.2 to justfiy just rolling them all to 9.3.4
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=== lamont uploads 9.3.4-1 and 9.4.0~rc2-1
lamontnow to ponder 9.2 and 9.3.1->9.3.411:03
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lamontfrom the in 9.3.3 but not 9.3.1 category:11:06
lamont+2066.  [security]       Handle SIG queries gracefully. [RT #16300] 11:06
lamont+1997.  [bug]            Named was failing to replace negative cache entries11:08
lamont+                       when a positive one for the type was learnt.11:08
lamont+                       [RT #15818] 11:08
lamont+1951.  [security]       Drop queries from particular well known ports.11:08
lamont+                       Don't return FORMERR to queries from particular11:08
lamont+                       well known ports.  [RT #15636] 11:08
lamontnone of that was  in 9.3.211:08
keescookhas it all been bug fixes and security then?11:09
keescooksounds like a reasonable full-upgrade.  :)11:09
lamontthere are some port fixes for OS's that we don't care about11:10
lamontnew RR type assignments11:10
lamontall kinds of robustness cleanup, etc.11:10
lamonton the downside, 9.3.1->9.3.2 and 9.3.2->9.3.3 have soname changes11:10
lamontbrightly, 9.3.3->9.3.4 doesn't11:11
keescookright.  that's the part I'm not sure how to handle.  or rather, I haven't dealt with before11:11
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Adri2000lamont: can you give back mplayerplug-in on amd64 please? https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/29397011:21
lamontthat package name is just plain wrong,  fwiw11:23
lamontgiven back11:23
lamonton GP, /me gives back ia64 as well11:24
Adri2000lamont: likely to FTBFS again on ia6411:24
Adri2000because xulrunner:  feisty ia64   Failed to build11:25
lamontyeah11:26
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lamontkeescook: fwiw, upstream has a regression suite for bind9 that they run on each release.  I haven't seen it, fwtw11:31
lamontkidfetching time11:31
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keescooklamont: ah, too bad they don't share that test suite...11:31
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Seveaskeescook, ping12:10
keescookSeveas: hiya.  just about to head to lunch, what's up?12:10
Seveascheck the new & improved usn feed please12:10
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keescookSeveas: sweetness!  Looks great.  :)  Thanks!12:11
Seveasyw12:11
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jdongargh, the dreaded cannot mount /dev/foo on /root: no such file or device12:13

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