[12:18] <nixternal> oi!
[12:19] <nixternal> hmm, how does that guy manage to get through w/o the Wiki sending me an email?
[12:20] <mdke> maybe you don't get mail for attachments
[12:20] <nixternal> hrmm, very well could be
[12:22] <nixternal> holy jesus. so it was all nudies again?
[12:22] <mdke> nixternal is wishing he got those emails :)
[12:22] <nixternal> people can't even spam stuff respectfully
[12:23] <nixternal> haha mdke not really
[12:23] <mdke> "if you want to spam the wiki, please spam it with useful and relevant documentation"
[12:23] <nixternal> haha yes
[12:23] <nixternal> or if you want to be an idiot, spam it with BSD junk or SuSE junk :)
[12:25] <nixternal> DAMN! there was a shemale one!!!
[12:25] <nixternal> hahahaha
[12:32] <nixternal> omg
[12:33] <nixternal> please no tubgirl
[12:33] <nixternal> you know, I started a pretty horrid campaign years back, and when you googled tubgirl, my name would pop up first
[12:36] <mpt> What was horrid about that? Wouldn't that be saving people from themselves?
[12:50] <willvdl> nixternal, you were tubgirl?
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure I want to know...
[12:52] <nixternal> ewww
[12:52] <jjesse> that will haunt my dreams forever if it is true
[12:52] <jjesse> nixternal: how did that debdiff go?
[12:53] <mdke> nixternal: so, I'm thinking vaguely about changing the structure of the new structure :(
[12:54] <nixternal> I need to redo it, to fix one other thing. I am getting ready for my Psychology class (maybe than can tell me what's wrong)
[12:54] <nixternal> s/than/they
[12:54] <mdke> the problem is translations: we need to have a way to keep the po files separately for each document, and I think the only way to do that properly is going to be to have a structure like ubuntu/documentname/C/documentname.xml
[12:54] <mdke> as opposed to the current ubuntu/C/documentname/documentname
[12:55] <nixternal> trunk/ubuntu/sysdocs/games/C/games.xml ??
[12:56] <mdke> well, yeah, without the sysdocs
[12:56] <nixternal> well, that would populate the main ubuntu dir and if someone besides you and I, or anyone else creating the packages, might just grab a bunch of nonsense (i.e., unused) and package it
[12:57] <nixternal> I know someone who did that with Kubuntu docs for Edgy (and it wasn't none of us)
[12:57] <mdke> well, that won't happen this time
[12:57] <mdke> we'll document things if necessary, but more importantly, I'm not going on holiday
[12:57] <nixternal> hehe
[12:57] <mdke> the more serious issue is going to be linking between documents
[12:58] <nixternal> so I have noticed
[12:58] <mdke> no, now it's fine
[12:58] <mdke> I mean, if we change
[12:58] <mdke> the way to do it is probably going to have to be to use the clever gnome/kde thing
[12:58] <nixternal> well, for Kubuntu we build everything into HTML which is a waste of time
[12:58] <nixternal> if we took all of the Kubuntu docs and named then *.docbook then KHelpCenter will do the building natively
[12:59] <nixternal> mv *.xml *.docbook
[12:59] <mdke> it's faster to have it as html though
[12:59] <jjesse> then we should follow docbook.template as well for kubuntu docs :)
[12:59] <nixternal> mdke: how so?
[12:59] <mdke> nixternal: because building something to html on the fly takes quite a lot of time
[12:59] <nixternal> less than 1 second
[12:59] <nixternal> I have tested it over and over and have to when I build KDE docs
[01:00] <mdke> anyway, that wasn't remotely related to what I was talking about
[01:00] <mdke> I don't want to get into a discussion about that at midnight :)
[01:00] <nixternal> of course, to spead the process we can also create simple cache.tar.gz files as well but it isn't noticeable
[01:02] <mdke> I was talking about links from one of our docs to the other
[01:03] <nixternal> mdke: yes, it works great for Yelp when you link to an xml file, but with Kubuntu docs, when we build the files out to HTML, the xml links stay as xml links, which makes them all broken
[01:04] <mdke> right, so we should use the clever linking thing
[01:04] <nixternal> what i have been doing is this <ulink url="../directory/">Blah</ulink> that way there it will pick up the index.html file automatically and won't seem broken
[01:04] <mdke> ouch
[01:04] <nixternal> but it makes it difficult to link to a specific header of course
[01:05] <mdke> but kde has a clever linking thing, I can't remember what it is off the top of my head
[01:05] <nixternal> help:/
[01:05] <mdke> right
[01:05] <nixternal> of course that is clever, but not for http://
[01:05] <nixternal> so putting it on help.ubuntu.com will cause nothing but a ton of broken links once again
[01:06] <mdke> nixternal: well, there isn't any solution to that
[01:06] <mdke> for help.u.c we should probably just export stuff to moin and integrate it with the wiki docs, I reckon
[01:06] <nixternal> sure there is. Kubuntu docs end with .docbook and we can link to ../blah/blah.docbook#blah and it will work in KHelpCenter, Konqueror, and when built to HTML it will work there as well
[01:06] <mdke> nixternal: how will that work when you put it on http?
[01:07] <nixternal> mdke: they will build out just like they did with the old desktop guide
[01:07] <mdke> the old desktop guide didn't have any links to other documents
[01:08] <mdke> there *isn't* any way of making links to other system docs work when built as html, that I'm aware of
[01:08] <nixternal> Yes, but what I was trying to refer to is how with the old DG we could <xref linkend="doowop"/>
[01:08] <mdke> nixternal: that doesn't work with another document
[01:08] <nixternal> hrmm, you are right :)
[01:08] <mdke> so, let's not worry about fixing something we can't fix
[01:08] <nixternal> because if I link to .docbook and it is an article and not a book/chapter format, it won't work
[01:09] <mdke> so, I think we should change the directory structure and use the clever help:/ links
[01:10] <nixternal> the help:/ links and linking ../directory/ will do pretty much the same unless I am linking to a KDE doc and not Ubuntu/Kubuntu doc
[01:10] <mdke> well, it's less hacky
[01:10] <nixternal> or we just put PDF files on help.ubuntu.com :)
[01:10] <mdke> and it will be better for linking to KDE docs
[01:11] <nixternal> mdke: I will go through and look at implementing the help:/ and testing it out of course
[01:11] <mdke> there are about 100 links in the Ubuntu side :)
[01:11] <nixternal> I am scared to look on the Kubuntu side
[01:11] <nixternal> I need to blog and get some people to help with the Kubuntu side
[01:11] <mdke> find a replace will work though
[01:11] <nixternal> jjesse and myself are going to implode
[01:12] <mdke> hopefully when people see a nice help system they'll want to contribute
[01:12] <nixternal> this weekend I plan on a full doc sweep of Kubuntu stuff
[01:12] <nixternal> mdke: you know what is going to suck, what we are doing now on Kubuntu will all probably change for Feisty+1
[01:13] <nixternal> unless they continue with KHelpCenter
[01:13] <nixternal> haha LaserJock
[01:13] <nixternal> LaserJock: next semester I have to take them stupid Physics courses, how much do you cost for homework consultation?
[01:13] <nixternal> ;p
[01:13] <LaserJock> generally I cost $30/hr
[01:13] <nixternal> Great, you said "generally", so that means I get it for free then :)
[01:13] <LaserJock> but I might make a deal for a friend ;-)
[01:14] <nixternal> wow, I have a friend. Wait until I tell my family, they will be so proud of me :)
[01:15] <nixternal> next semester is Math, Physics, Journalism, Tech Writing, and 2 programming courses
[01:15] <nixternal> Journalism and Tech Writing is so I can learn how to write effective documents for stuff like Kubuntu :p
[01:15] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3718 ubuntu/C/switching/ (5 files): Phil's patch
[01:15] <nixternal> well well well, I see old Phill Bull is back!
[01:16] <nixternal> whatever happened to Plug as well, he used to tear apart my stuff as it wasn't up to par for the NZ LUG :)
[01:16] <mdke> oh, that's a good excuse to ask for svn access for him, I reckon
[01:16] <mdke> anyone disagree?
[01:16] <nixternal> I definitely don't disagree for Phil
[01:16] <nixternal> he is good to have
[01:17] <nixternal> alrighty, I need to get to class so I can get one of the good seats
[01:17] <LaserJock> oh geeze
[01:17] <LaserJock> I always stayed in the back
[01:17] <nixternal> hehe
[01:18] <LaserJock> I wonder how I've made it through 9 years of uni
[01:18] <nixternal> me too, then you get to see all the cute ones
[01:18] <nixternal> haha
[01:18] <LaserJock> see, there's your problem
[01:18] <LaserJock> too much distraction
[01:18] <nixternal> oh no!
[01:18] <nixternal> haha
[01:18] <nixternal> LaserJock: it is either them or sleep
[01:18] <LaserJock> oh boy
[01:18] <nixternal> this class goes until 9:30, I need something to waste my time on
[01:19] <nixternal> OK, enough procrastinating
[01:19] <nixternal> I just shreaded that word
[01:19] <nixternal> later
[06:35] <nixternal> jjesse: building new package now (hopefully I didn't boog the rules with a typo)
[03:46] <nixternal> boo
[04:01] <bdmurray> boo who?
[04:09] <nixternal> why are you crying?
[04:09] <nixternal> haha
[04:09] <nixternal> time for sKool
[11:10] <mdke> oooofff
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> murrrff
[11:10] <mdke> my router has died
[11:11] <mdke> I've had to knock up some emergency internet using chicken wire and my flatmate's Windows XP computer :(
[11:13] <dsas> sounds macguyver-esque
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> wow
[11:14] <mdke> dsas: you wouldn't know how to make a speedtouch 330 work on Ubuntu would you?
[11:14] <mdke> I had a look at the guide but it looks bloody hard
[11:14] <dsas> mdke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo help?
[11:15] <mdke> so so
[11:15] <mdke> the thing that bothers me about it is that it's significantly different from the other speedtouch page
[11:17] <dsas> hmm, they look the same except the UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo refers you to somewhere else or an unofficial package to install the firmware
[11:17] <mdke> afterwards the setting up the connection part is a lot easier on the UK page
[11:18] <dsas> also the UKSpeedtouchDSLHowTo one only shows how to do PPPoA
[11:18] <mdke> anyhow, I tried both without success so far, but I haven't tried installing the firmware yet because the thing seems to work on its own
[11:18] <mdke> the lights come on ok when I plug it in
[11:18] <mdke> i probably need to try the firmware, but it's a drag.
[11:19] <dsas> heh, router shopping time tomorrow perhaps.
[11:19] <mdke> they are sending me a new one, but it will take a couple of weeks I guess
[11:19] <dsas> ah, BT provided one?
[11:19] <mdke> no, i bought it a couple of years ago
[11:20] <dsas> still has a return to base warranty? cool.
[11:20] <mdke> after 2 weeks trying to get the crappy speedtouch to work on gentoo :)
[11:20] <mdke> yeah it's a lifetime warranty, they did good service actually - I rang up and told them the lights were offand no one was home, and they said, ok, we'll send a new one
[11:21] <dsas> cool, which brand was that?
[11:21] <mdke> Belkin, surprisingly
[11:21] <mdke> but two weeks is going to be tricky
[11:23] <dsas> yeah I bet. Haven't a clue about a speedtouch personally, we bought a modem/router straight away...
[11:23] <dsas> maybe someone in -UK will know. or more likely the forums.
[11:23] <mdke> I'm sure it can be done, because I got it working in gentoo
[11:23] <mdke> by that time, the router had arrived :)
[11:24] <dsas> heh, *insert joke about gentoo and compilation times*
[11:25] <mdke> mm
[11:26] <mdke> i'll try and share the internet on my flatmate's computer through his wireless network card, maybe that will work