=== Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-motu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by cypher1 at Mon Jan 1 12:52:54 2007 [05:34] bddebian: I've left a comment on libticables2 for you :) [05:36] geser: You're deliberately trying to push me over the edge now arent you? :-) [05:36] bddebian: beware, Drepper is lurking beyond the edge [05:37] heh === pirast [n=martin@p508B1BED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] Again, does anyone know what has happened to gnome-vfs-mime.h?? === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === johang [n=johan@84-55-112-80.rev.lnd.ownit.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:48] jdong: ping? === AnAnt_ [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] I got a problem with pbuilder, I have set COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" in /etc/pbuilderrc [05:49] yet, when I run pbuilder it cannot find packages that are in universe ! [05:49] I am using edgy [05:50] only 2 more chunks to go! === AnAnt_ [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jesper [n=jesper@217.116.235.206] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === schultmc [i=schultmc@nat/progeny/x-bedf4e2c5a73ff9b] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@gimel.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] man, we brought this on ourselves [06:14] Mixxx's build system uses qmake, and we basically manage to have a single tarball that compiles across all three OSes (Win, Linux, OS X) [06:14] but boy this is really making it tricky to package properly, lol === UbuntuSt1ts [n=StatsBot@bl4-215-145.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:15] what is wrong with nedit package? lp says that edgy has 5.5-2 but when I install nedit I get 5.5-1 [06:15] and same goes with feisty [06:16] palski, then -2 probably hasnet built successfully for the arch your on ( if any ) [06:16] imbrandon: yes, that's it [06:16] infact loooking thats it [06:16] imbrandon@aurora:~$ sudo apt-cache madison nedit nedit | 1:5.5-1ubuntu1 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com edgy/universe Packages nedit | 1:5.5-2ubuntu1 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com edgy/universe Sources [06:19] heya everybody [06:22] slomo: pong [06:22] jdong: you pinged me hours ago :) [06:22] sladen: was gonna ask if you knew how to fix ffmpeg --enable-x264 FTBFS on AMD64.... [06:23] err, slomo [06:23] it needs to link against PIC x264 [06:23] but instead goes for libx264.a [06:23] (not libx264_pic.a) [06:23] then fix the build system :) [06:23] slomo: what do you mean? [06:23] but i wonder how it can build against x264 anyway? isn't x264 in multiverse and ffmpeg in universe? [06:23] slomo: this is for medibuntu [06:23] (the "new" PLF) [06:24] tell ffmpeg's build system to link to libx264_pic.a instead of the one without _pic [06:24] slomo: excuse my noobishness with this linking stuff... roughly how would I do that? [06:24] look where the -lx264 is set and make it -lx264_pic [06:24] ah, ok [06:24] slomo: and I presume linking against the PIC version on non-amd64 is a no-no? [06:25] no that's fine iirc [06:25] oh [06:25] so if I make that for all arches, there's no side effects? [06:25] iirc not but it's long ago since i read about this stuff :) [06:25] ask google or something if you're unsure ;) [06:27] "The extra indirection may cause PIC code to be less efficient, although modern processors are designed to ameliorate this." [06:27] lovely === siXel [n=Erik@e179027123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === simon__ [n=simon@203-206-248-147.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] hi [06:35] package mednafen is outdated compared to the version in debian === TLE [n=kenneth@cpe.atm2-0-54382.0x50a1da32.kjnxx4.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:36] by around 5 months [06:39] you can request a sync [06:39] i just did it with a different package [06:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [06:39] check under sync. [06:41] Ok, I've got Mixxx ready for packaging I think [06:42] I've got a mixxx-1.5.0 directory with a "debian" subdirectory and everything set up/patched properly [06:42] Do I need to install pbuilder now to test this? === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:42] geser: New libticables2 up ;-) === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] mr_pouit: ping [06:45] jdong, pong [06:45] mr_pouit: I attached a debdiff against feisty for ffmpeg in bug 81518 [06:45] Malone bug 81518 in ffmpeg "When x264 is enabled, link against libx264_pic.a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81518 [06:46] mr_pouit: it contains a patch that should resolve FTBFS on amd64 with x264 [06:46] mr_pouit: would appreciate it if you guys can test it, then get it into universe would be a bonus too :) [06:46] jdong, great! thanks ;) [06:47] jdong, ok, we'll test it ^^ [06:47] thanks, you guys are awesome [06:48] johang, if you don't mind could you add it for me? [06:51] bddebian: looks ok for me. advocated. [06:51] Thx geser === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.241.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WikiMan [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.153] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.193.159] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@23-19.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Neonightmare [n=neonight@23-19.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _MMA_ [n=mma@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi__ [n=hagi@adsl-84-226-48-159.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tsmithe [n=tsmithe@unaffiliated/tsmithe] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@unaffiliated/redguy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chesty [n=chesty@unconcerned.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jozo- [i=jozo@viola.uninea.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fabo [i=Arme-X@ubuntu/member/fabo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@unaffiliated/redguy] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === redguy [n=mati@unaffiliated/redguy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chrisj_ [n=tortoise@91.84.106.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=stratus@cronopio.rits.org.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:48] quick question: how can I get dkpg-buildpackage to use gpg-agent? [07:50] you don't. === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:50] you debsign afterwards [07:50] dpkg-buildpackage runs under fakeroot [07:50] which gpg-agent will not accept as an authorized user [07:50] ah, that's why it didn't work (of course) [07:50] totally silly in my mind :) [07:51] jdong, thanks [07:51] np === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] heh, how do i reply to something in the mailing list? Or do i just need to make sure the subject line is RE: the last post in the thread ? [07:55] <\sh> press "reply" in your mailclient === \sh 's gone [07:57] heh, really? cause then it has the last author as the recipient rather than ubuntu.motu.mailinglist or whatever, but that's how it should be? [07:57] then reply to all [07:57] or reply to list, if your client has such a feature [07:57] evolution, dunno if it does... [07:58] <\sh> ademan: well, you have to configure your email client the correct way...or press reply all, and remove the last author...because it's annoying to read mails two times [07:58] <\sh> use a real client, thunderbird or kmail === \sh runs [07:58] lol [07:59] so really the requirement is to: ubuntu.motu.mailinglists.com and the subject should be Re: Last Post's Subject Line ? === bleinmono [n=toffel@89-178-97-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] ademan: the threading happens from the In-Reply-To: header (usually set automatically by your mua) [08:02] ah, ok, maybe i've got that kind of functionality [08:02] thanks [08:04] jdong: Thanks again for the help, I think I've got a .deb built properly now :) [08:04] cool === enyc throws an aoeuidhtns around [08:20] check this out: http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot8de.png === Amaranth cries === iceman [n=iceman@63.193-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] mwuahahaha [08:37] anybody alive in here? [08:37] no === Seeker` [n=Seeker@84-12-171-110.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] fine [08:37] be that way then [08:37] ;-) [08:37] no === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] I just talked with the director of instuments for my department [08:38] he's interested in putting Ubuntu on the computers that run our research instruments [08:39] Use Xubuntu and poke Canonical for Official Support. ;] [08:39] that's up to Canonical, and we probably wouldn't use Xubuntu [08:39] it might be Edubuntu actually === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:40] right now they have a couple RHEL machines [08:40] and some Windows/OS X I think [08:40] But Xubuntu is awesome. Have you tried it on Feisty? [08:41] I'm sure it is awesome, as is Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu [08:41] I'm not a big XFCE fan [08:41] but the screenshots are looking nice [08:43] Xfce4, not XFCE : P [08:43] whatever ;-) [08:43] What does Xubuntu have that gnome doesn't? : P [08:43] Or... the other way around : P [08:45] lots [08:45] both ways [08:46] they are just different [08:47] I generally use Gnome ( "It sucks less" ) but if I need to go minimal I use openbox [08:47] Xfce4 is sort of like middle-of-the-road for me [08:47] and I haven't found a need for it personally [08:49] LaserJock: That sounds really great. [08:49] I've been trying to think of how to get Ubuntu into the department [08:49] I know one group uses it a fair amount for computation chemistry stuff === ScottK was suprised to walk in to the local public library recently and find all the computers running Ubuntu. [08:50] I think I'm the only one that ever uses it for a desktop (although I'm not presently :/) [08:50] really? sweet! [08:50] It was actually my first time using Ubuntu on the desktop as I've always used KDE. [08:51] If you are trying to get people interested in transitioninf off of Windows, Kubuntu will look less foreign... [08:52] I suppose [08:52] I generally don't see the "KDE is more Windows looking" but whatever :-) [08:52] Of course, if you push it, you'll end up supporting it, so best something you are familiar with. [08:53] well, I install Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Ubuntu fairly regularly [08:54] and sometimes I'll even have Xfce for a few minutes ;-) [08:54] I'm not religious about desktop choices myself, just happen to like one better for my own use. [08:54] same with me [08:54] I used KDE for a long time (and FVWM) [08:54] but Ubuntu has gotten me more into Gnome === rexbron [n=rexbron@keele-b164-130.airyork.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] I generally try to stay familiar with both === ScottK had fun the other day in a meeting with his Kubuntu laptop poking at a presenter who had trouble with Windows/Office being sluggish for using "Inferior prioprietary tools". [08:58] hehe [08:59] I think it even started to penetrate after a while that I wasn't kidding. [08:59] If you can find a way to just use Ubuntu and have it work better/more reliably/cheaper, whatever is important there, people will notice and want some too. [08:59] yeah, I love it when they laugh, and then they're like "Your serious" [09:00] either that or use your power and force it on them ;-) === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:00] If you have that, that works too. === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] IME though in large organizations (where large is probably more than about 10) orders to do things people don't want to do have a way of not being gotten around to. [09:01] worked for my wife :-) [09:02] I just edited grub to default to Ubuntu instead of XP [09:02] once Flash9 came out for Linux it was bye-bye Windows [09:02] It's a slower start to attract people with honey than beat them with baseball bats (or whatever kind of bats you have) - less fun too, but more sustainable. [09:02] Yeah. Worked on my kids too. [09:03] yah know, I've always thought the "Firefox by default because it's something Windows people know" was kinda weird === ScottK needs to find time to convert some effing huge Outlook archives to Mbox before my wife will convert (she dual boot some now). [09:03] until one day I saw my wife surfing the net and she had no clue if she was running Windows or Ubuntu [09:03] simply because it was FF [09:04] she couldn't have cared less [09:04] what OS it was [09:04] With the kids I first got them using FF, T-bird, and OO on Windows and then swapped them to Linux and they hardly noticed. [09:04] yeah === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] Of course then when I was in a meeting that happened to have a senior MS guy in it a few months ago and the conversation turned to spam, virii, bots, etc. I could say, "Yes, that's why I don't allow my kids to use Windows". The look on his face was priceless. [09:06] He asked me a lot of questions after that too. It was fun. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121dvu.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK goes to look for more coffee. [09:08] ScottK: hilarious === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.161.187.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Why] === chrisj_ [n=tortoise@82.152.255.33] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seeker` [n=Seeker@84-12-171-110.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:29] morning [09:29] Heya ajmitch [09:31] sigh [09:31] people that deliberately cc offtopic stuff to devel lists [09:32] like bad computer jokes? [09:34] ajmitch: Just to piss you off :) [09:34] just like #u-motu === ajmitch knows it's a conspiracy [09:35] Seveas: feisty-changes rss feed seems broken [09:36] Adri2000, it's not [09:36] it's just on manual [09:36] hey Seveas [09:36] ola ajmitch [09:37] ajmitch: Wanna help my dumb arse with some packaging? [09:37] Adri2000, I'm improving the USN parser so the whole email parsing shebang was on manual [09:37] bddebian: depends if it'll take some time or not [09:37] I just got to work & all [09:37] Seveas: USN? UWN? [09:38] checking the fallout [09:38] Oh, yeah it might take a while, mn [09:38] Err nm even [09:38] Adri2000, Ubuntu Security Notices [09:38] I have an email2rss parser for that as well [09:38] ah, I thought weekly newsletter [09:38] ok === keescook hugs Seveas [09:39] heh [09:39] keescook, yes, I'm working on including details :) [09:39] \o/ [09:39] but also improving the thing in general === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] Ugh, do I wanna touch fai-kernels? [09:39] bddebian, with a 10-foot pole? [09:40] Maybe 20 foot [09:40] yeah, that's safer [09:40] ask hobbsee for her big pointy stick of doom [09:41] keescook! how's the hacking week going? [09:41] ajmitch: hiya, I'm actually not there. :) === fowlduck [n=nate@205.213.122.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DogWater [i=DogWater@dhcp91.cmh.ee.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] ajmitch: Do you happen to know why gnome-vfs-mime.h is gone? [09:45] does anyone know who maintains the redhat kickstart style installation stuff? === muzzol [n=muzzol@62-43-71-59.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bronson [n=bronson@adsl-75-36-145-166.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:46] keescook: oh, that's unfortunate [09:46] bddebian: ENOCLUE [09:47] bddebian: I'm guessing it had to run away [09:47] also anyone know who maintains the netboot portion of the installer? [09:47] Gah, I hate crap that we've brought in that is now in Debian.. :-( [09:47] DogWater: My guess would be that the installer stuff is done by the main folks. [09:47] the netboot installer is broken in 6.10 [09:48] didn't you ask this in about 2 or 3 other channels & get an answer? [09:48] no, there was no answer [09:48] 09:00 < dsas> DogWater: I'm not sure who's responsible for updating that, perhaps cjwatson [09:49] so i pester cjwatson about it? [09:49] Gah fruck, -GLw.. === bddebian begins crying and whining [09:50] he's a tad busy this week, I think [09:50] well, i was just trying to figure out if there is anything we can do to help to get the kickstart process a little more polished [09:50] as we do all of our builds exclusively with kickstart and we'd like to start offering ubuntu [09:51] there's a distro team sprint on at the moment, which I think he's attending === ajmitch reassigns bug to d-i [09:51] hopefully that's the right one, and he'd hopefully see it then [09:51] does anyone know if the buildds have /usr/bin/lsb_release ? [09:52] I doubt it [09:52] I can't tell, but it seems to be a dep of base-files ? [09:53] nope [09:53] Replaces: base, miscutils, lsb-release (<< 3.0-8) [09:53] Provides: base [09:53] Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1ubuntu3), awk, base-passwd (>= 2.0.3.4), libpam-modules (>= 0.79-3ubuntu3) [09:53] hmmm [09:53] ubuntu-standard depends on it, I think [09:54] but I don't think that's on the buildds [09:54] I think it's just build-essential on there, but I can't be certain === keescook nods [09:54] I wonder how it snuck into my chroots... [09:55] morning ajmitch [09:56] So since we don't have libGLw, I need to disable mesa entirely? === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] bddebian: try libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ciscosurfer [n=magic@216-80-124-12.snb-bsr1.chi-snb.il.cable.rcn.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [10:08] ajmitch: you got OT in -motu?!? :-) [10:10] LaserJock: hm? [10:11] ajmitch> people that deliberately cc offtopic stuff to devel lists === xeros [i=xeros@fan194.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] people are never offtopic in here === LaserJock looks around [10:15] I don't know what channel you've been lurking in [10:15] but it hasn't been here ;-) === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:16] I wanna bother someone re: getting alpine into universe === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-28-167.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] poningru: why do you need to bug someone about it? [10:20] LaserJock: its in debian unstable [10:20] should I just file a bug in lp for inclusion? [10:20] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/alpine [10:21] ajmitch: I thought we dropped libGLw in Edgy? [10:22] poningru: you can file a sync request if you verify that it builds, installs, and works in Feisty [10:22] yes sir [10:22] bddebian: I don't know, take a look & find out :) [10:26] ajmitch: Uhm, that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop :-) [10:26] poningru: ohhhhh, alpine. I just realized what you were asking about [10:26] poningru: that would be cool to see in Feisty [10:27] LaserJock: yeah I know right my friend packaged it up [10:27] but got no lovin from ubuntu :( [10:27] bddebian: I have every confidence that you can fix it & make everything happy [10:27] well, it *should* go in Debian first [10:27] and ponies will be out dancing in the fields, etc [10:27] ajmitch: Well that's your first mistake :-) [10:27] its in debian unstable... [10:27] poningru: if it had gotten into Debian early enough it would have been automatically picked up [10:28] oh hehe yeah === ajmitch wonders what alpine is [10:28] I will build it in feisty tonight and file a sync request [10:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29 [10:29] ajmitch: pine replacement [10:29] well, not replacement [10:29] oh, you mean mutt [10:29] it's pine 2.0 [10:29] :) [10:29] bah [10:29] I used pine for a long time at school [10:29] poor fellow [10:30] I don't think they even had mutt installed [10:30] it worked just fine mostly === ajmitch just had a .forward sending stuff onto home [10:30] my boss still uses it [10:30] I used mutt until I used to many imap accounts [10:30] and I read my mail via ssh to home [10:31] ajmitch: well, until recently the uni server was the most stable machine I had access to === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] then it went up in flames [10:31] almost literally === siXel [n=Erik@e179027123.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru sets LaserJock's server on fire [10:38] LaserJock: hrrm what univ. was that? [10:38] LaserJock: I remember security.debian.org. on fire [10:38] different fires [10:39] that was in .nl, I think [10:39] mutt is the best :P [10:40] enyc: mine is the University of Nevada, Reno USA [10:40] I haven't quite fallen in love with mutt [10:40] I guess my biggest problem is that I always run it on the email server [10:40] and then attachments are a pain [10:41] apparently our server started smoking [10:41] and the raid control died [10:41] a bit annoying [10:42] so the department decided to off-load everything to the campus servers [10:42] and just the other day the shut down our server [10:42] so.. now I have a nice webmail account and get my Ubuntu mail sent elswhere [10:43] somebody know any article about the better pratics to command line options? =) example, more intuitive, more clean, more easy to users [10:43] better format [10:43] =) [10:43] *cough* [10:44] *more* intuitive and user friendly CLI options? [10:44] *stuffy british voice* it's simply not done [10:45] hehehe [10:45] all apps must become like tla! === Seveas thwacks ajmitch [10:46] hey now [10:46] tla was a masterpiece === fernando not kidding =( [10:48] Heh, disabling MESA doesn't work either :-( ../include/xwin.h:122:22: error: GL/xmesa.h: No such file or directory === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] LaserJock, did you tried mutt -f pops:// ? [10:54] !tla [10:54] tla: arch revision control system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-3.3 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 744 kB [10:54] meh [10:54] the first arch implementation [10:54] written by tom lord (iirc) === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === iceman__ [n=iceman@149.230-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] LaserJock: hrrm i see === coNP [n=conp@pool-00a7b.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:02] LaserJock: I remember security.debian.org went up in smoke at the university of twente...... === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:03] went up in smoke recently? === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] plugwash: recently as in nov 2002 :) === Gervystar [n=alessand@host84-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-28-167.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [11:39] hey guys [11:40] the Ubuntu wiki told me to "ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu .... to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring" [11:40] :D [11:43] running it now [11:43] thanks a ton :D [11:43] should be done in ~10min [11:43] awesome [11:47] <_MMA_> Anyone know when this stuff will show in the repos? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue Im still trying to learn the process. [11:47] <_MMA_> Is their someone who pushes it from the queue or does it happen automatically at some point? [11:48] There is someone who pushes it. [11:48] _MMA_: when an archive admin accepts them (which is only needed for the first time) [11:49] <_MMA_> geser: Ok. I thought that was the step to get them _to_ the queue not after? Im still learning. :) [11:50] there are several queues [11:51] this is the NEW queue where every new package lands [11:51] REVU queue, NEW queue, source publishing, build queue, binary publishing [11:51] what else? [11:51] <_MMA_> :) [11:51] apart from -proposed, etc [11:51] which are special [11:52] isn't between build queue and binary publishing once again the NEW queue (this time for the debs)? [11:52] if they're binary NEW [11:53] so that's the same queue used twice [11:53] unapproved queue for freeze times [11:53] _MMA_: it went REVU -> source NEW -> binary NEW [11:53] heh [11:54] "no blobs by default petition" [11:54] of course [11:54] <_MMA_> Ahh... Ok. Just eager to test some of the packages like a bunch of people I guess. Thanx for the info. [11:54] _MMA_: we have (had?) archive days (tuesdays and fridays) where an archive admin went through the accumulated stuff (syncs, NEW, etc) [11:54] who wants scary blob monsters in their computer? [11:54] _MMA_: well, the .debs are in Launchpad if you want to try them out :-) [11:55] at least I think they are [11:55] LaserJock: blobs are great [11:55] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I want have them show all perdy in Synaptic. :) [11:55] _MMA_: hehe, I know the feeling. apt-get update apt-get install [11:56] ajmitch: but they are scary [11:56] I don't want some "Swamp Thing" running around my hard drive [11:57] LaserJock: they eat ponies! [11:57] poor little ponies :( === ajmitch has his laptop running here, it has eeevil ipw2200 firmware blobs [11:57] which are shipped in the ubuntu kernel [11:57] I don't know and frankly don't care what blobs I have [11:57] <_MMA_> Best pony ever: http://sg.geocities.com/mental_89/blogskins/MY_little_pony.jpg [11:58] ajmitch: Are we ever likely to see alternate firmware for those cards? [11:58] That is free? [11:58] joy, My Little Pony complete with teenage angst [11:58] but ... it's not cute and huggy [11:58] TheMuso: possible but unlikely in the near term [11:58] yeah, are we going to get Emo Pony? [11:58] <_MMA_> lol [11:59] TheMuso: openbsd has drivers that work without their firmware I *think* [11:59] ajmitch: I rmeember hearing something about that, but not sure about the firmware either. === LaserJock wonders if My Little Metallica Pony would sell well [11:59] TheMuso: ah no, their page says you need the firmware [11:59] probably too old :/ [12:00] LaserJock: I'd buy one :-) [12:00] ajmitch: ah well./ === ajmitch can handle using the intel firmware [12:00] just as long as we don't get My Little Maryiln Manson Pony [12:01] that'd be tooo creepy [12:01] ajmitch: Me too, because I don't really have any other choice. [12:01] unlike nvidia drivers, they don't taint the kernel & run on the cpu [12:01] I'll use free wheever possible, but am happy to use slightly non-free to make use of hardware I own. [12:01] In recovery mode, it won't ask for the root passwd no matter what, right? === TheMuso wonders whether Intel will make Linux drivers for their new wireless chips. === ajmitch uses nvidia drivers, but wants to help out with nouveau where/if possible [12:02] anyway, back later === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong_ [n=jdong@d192-24-18-234.col.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu