[05:34] <geser> bddebian: I've left a comment on libticables2 for you :)
[05:36] <bddebian> geser: You're deliberately trying to push me over the edge now arent you? :-)
[05:36] <azeem> bddebian: beware, Drepper is lurking beyond the edge
[05:37] <bddebian> heh
[05:40] <bddebian> Again, does anyone know what has happened to gnome-vfs-mime.h??
[05:48] <slomo> jdong: ping?
[05:49] <AnAnt_> I got a problem with pbuilder, I have set COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" in /etc/pbuilderrc
[05:49] <AnAnt_> yet, when I run pbuilder it cannot find packages that are in universe !
[05:49] <AnAnt_> I am using edgy
[05:50] <asantoni> only 2 more chunks to go!
[06:14] <asantoni> man, we brought this on ourselves
[06:14] <asantoni> Mixxx's build system uses qmake, and we basically manage to have a single tarball that compiles across all three OSes (Win, Linux, OS X)
[06:14] <asantoni> but boy this is really making it tricky to package properly, lol
[06:15] <palski> what is wrong with nedit package? lp says that edgy has 5.5-2 but when I install nedit I get 5.5-1
[06:15] <palski> and same goes with feisty
[06:16] <imbrandon> palski, then -2 probably hasnet built successfully for the arch your on ( if any )
[06:16] <palski> imbrandon: yes, that's it
[06:16] <imbrandon> infact loooking thats it
[06:16] <imbrandon> imbrandon@aurora:~$ sudo apt-cache madison nedit nedit | 1:5.5-1ubuntu1 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com edgy/universe Packages nedit | 1:5.5-2ubuntu1 | http://mirror.imbrandon.com edgy/universe Sources
[06:19] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[06:22] <jdong> slomo: pong
[06:22] <slomo> jdong: you pinged me hours ago :)
[06:22] <jdong> sladen: was gonna ask if you knew how to fix ffmpeg --enable-x264 FTBFS on AMD64....
[06:23] <jdong> err, slomo
[06:23] <jdong> it needs to link against PIC x264
[06:23] <jdong> but instead goes for libx264.a
[06:23] <jdong> (not libx264_pic.a)
[06:23] <slomo> then fix the build system :)
[06:23] <jdong> slomo: what do you mean?
[06:23] <slomo> but i wonder how it can build against x264 anyway? isn't x264 in multiverse and ffmpeg in universe?
[06:23] <jdong> slomo: this is for medibuntu
[06:23] <jdong> (the "new" PLF)
[06:24] <slomo> tell ffmpeg's build system to link to libx264_pic.a instead of the one without _pic
[06:24] <jdong> slomo: excuse my noobishness with this linking stuff...  roughly how would I do that?
[06:24] <slomo> look where the -lx264 is set and make it -lx264_pic
[06:24] <jdong> ah, ok
[06:24] <jdong> slomo: and I presume linking against the PIC version on non-amd64 is a no-no?
[06:25] <slomo> no that's fine iirc
[06:25] <jdong> oh
[06:25] <jdong> so if I make that for all arches, there's no side effects?
[06:25] <slomo> iirc not but it's long ago since i read about this stuff :)
[06:25] <slomo> ask google or something if you're unsure ;)
[06:27] <jdong> "The extra indirection may cause PIC code to be less efficient, although modern processors are designed to ameliorate this."
[06:27] <jdong> lovely
[06:35] <simon__> hi
[06:35] <simon__> package mednafen is outdated compared to the version in debian
[06:36] <simon__> by around 5 months
[06:39] <johang> you can request a sync
[06:39] <johang> i just did it with a different package
[06:39] <johang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[06:39] <johang> check under sync.
[06:41] <asantoni> Ok, I've got Mixxx ready for packaging I think
[06:42] <asantoni> I've got a mixxx-1.5.0 directory with a "debian" subdirectory and everything set up/patched properly
[06:42] <asantoni> Do I need to install pbuilder now to test this?
[06:42] <bddebian> geser: New libticables2 up ;-)
[06:44] <jdong> mr_pouit: ping
[06:45] <mr_pouit> jdong, pong
[06:45] <jdong> mr_pouit: I attached a debdiff against feisty for ffmpeg in bug 81518
[06:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81518 in ffmpeg "When x264 is enabled, link against libx264_pic.a" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81518
[06:46] <jdong> mr_pouit: it contains a patch that should resolve FTBFS on amd64 with x264
[06:46] <jdong> mr_pouit: would appreciate it if you guys can test it, then get it into universe would be a bonus too :)
[06:46] <mr_pouit> jdong, great! thanks ;)
[06:47] <mr_pouit> jdong, ok, we'll test it ^^
[06:47] <jdong> thanks, you guys are awesome
[06:48] <simon__> johang, if you don't mind could you add it for me?
[06:51] <geser> bddebian: looks ok for me. advocated.
[06:51] <bddebian> Thx geser
[07:48] <tmarble> quick question: how can I get dkpg-buildpackage to use gpg-agent?
[07:50] <jdong> you don't.
[07:50] <jdong> you debsign afterwards
[07:50] <jdong> dpkg-buildpackage runs under fakeroot
[07:50] <jdong> which gpg-agent will not accept as an authorized user
[07:50] <tmarble> ah, that's why it didn't work (of course)
[07:50] <jdong> totally silly in my mind :)
[07:51] <tmarble> jdong, thanks
[07:51] <jdong> np
[07:55] <ademan> heh, how do i reply to something in the mailing list?  Or do i just need to make sure the subject line is RE: the last post in the thread ?
[07:55] <\sh> press "reply" in your mailclient
[07:57] <ademan> heh, really? cause then it has the last author as the recipient rather than ubuntu.motu.mailinglist or whatever, but that's how it should be?
[07:57] <jdong> then reply to all
[07:57] <jdong> or reply to list, if your client has such a feature
[07:57] <ademan> evolution, dunno if it does...
[07:58] <\sh> ademan: well, you have to configure your email client the correct way...or press reply all, and remove the last author...because it's annoying to read mails two times
[07:58] <\sh> use a real client, thunderbird or kmail 
[07:58] <ademan> lol
[07:59] <ademan> so really the requirement is to: ubuntu.motu.mailinglists.com    and   the subject should be Re: Last Post's Subject Line ?
[08:01] <geser> ademan: the threading happens from the In-Reply-To: header (usually set automatically by your mua)
[08:02] <ademan> ah, ok, maybe i've got that kind of functionality
[08:02] <ademan> thanks
[08:04] <asantoni> jdong: Thanks again for the help, I think I've got a .deb built properly now :)
[08:04] <jdong> cool
[08:20] <Amaranth> check this out: http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot8de.png
[08:36] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[08:37] <LaserJock> anybody alive in here?
[08:37] <lifeless> no
[08:37] <LaserJock> fine
[08:37] <LaserJock> be that way then
[08:37] <LaserJock> ;-)
[08:37] <somerville32> no
[08:38] <LaserJock> I just talked with the director of instuments for my department
[08:38] <LaserJock> he's interested in putting Ubuntu on the computers that run our research instruments
[08:39] <somerville32> Use Xubuntu and poke Canonical for Official Support. ;] 
[08:39] <LaserJock> that's up to Canonical, and we probably wouldn't use Xubuntu
[08:39] <LaserJock> it might be Edubuntu actually
[08:40] <LaserJock> right now they have a couple RHEL machines
[08:40] <LaserJock> and some Windows/OS X I think
[08:40] <somerville32> But Xubuntu is awesome. Have you tried it on Feisty?
[08:41] <LaserJock> I'm sure it is awesome, as is Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Edubuntu
[08:41] <LaserJock> I'm not a big XFCE fan
[08:41] <LaserJock> but the screenshots are looking nice
[08:43] <somerville32> Xfce4, not XFCE : P
[08:43] <LaserJock> whatever ;-)
[08:43] <somerville32> What does Xubuntu have that gnome doesn't? : P
[08:43] <somerville32> Or... the other way around : P
[08:45] <LaserJock> lots
[08:45] <LaserJock> both ways
[08:46] <LaserJock> they are just different
[08:47] <LaserJock> I generally use Gnome ( "It sucks less" ) but if I need to go minimal I use openbox
[08:47] <LaserJock> Xfce4 is sort of like middle-of-the-road for me
[08:47] <LaserJock> and I haven't found a need for it personally
[08:49] <ScottK> LaserJock: That sounds really great.
[08:49] <LaserJock> I've been trying to think of how to get Ubuntu into the department
[08:49] <LaserJock> I know one group uses it a fair amount for computation chemistry stuff
[08:50] <LaserJock> I think I'm the only one that ever uses it for a desktop (although I'm not presently :/)
[08:50] <LaserJock> really? sweet!
[08:50] <ScottK> It was actually my first time using Ubuntu on the desktop as I've always used KDE.
[08:51] <ScottK> If you are trying to get people interested in transitioninf off of Windows, Kubuntu will look less foreign...
[08:52] <LaserJock> I suppose
[08:52] <LaserJock> I generally don't see the "KDE is more Windows looking" but whatever :-)
[08:52] <ScottK> Of course, if you push it, you'll end up supporting it, so best something you are familiar with.
[08:53] <LaserJock> well, I install Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Ubuntu fairly regularly
[08:54] <LaserJock> and sometimes I'll even have Xfce for a few minutes ;-)
[08:54] <ScottK> I'm not religious about desktop choices myself, just happen to like one better for my own use.
[08:54] <LaserJock> same with me
[08:54] <LaserJock> I used KDE for a long time (and FVWM)
[08:54] <LaserJock> but Ubuntu has gotten me more into Gnome
[08:55] <LaserJock> I generally try to stay familiar with both
[08:58] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:59] <ScottK> I think it even started to penetrate after a while that I wasn't kidding.
[08:59] <ScottK> If you can find a way to just use Ubuntu and have it work better/more reliably/cheaper, whatever is important there, people will notice and want some too.
[08:59] <LaserJock> yeah, I love it when they laugh, and then they're like "Your serious"
[09:00] <LaserJock> either that or use your power and force it on them ;-)
[09:00] <ScottK> If you have that, that works too.
[09:01] <ScottK> IME though in large organizations (where large is probably more than about 10) orders to do things people don't want to do have a way of not being gotten around to.
[09:01] <LaserJock> worked for my wife :-)
[09:02] <LaserJock> I just edited grub to default to Ubuntu instead of XP
[09:02] <LaserJock> once Flash9 came out for Linux it was bye-bye Windows
[09:02] <ScottK> It's a slower start to attract people with honey than beat them with baseball bats (or whatever kind of bats you have) - less fun too, but more sustainable.
[09:02] <ScottK> Yeah.  Worked on my kids too.
[09:03] <LaserJock> yah know, I've always thought the "Firefox by default because it's something Windows people know" was kinda weird
[09:03] <LaserJock> until one day I saw my wife surfing the net and she had no clue if she was running Windows or Ubuntu
[09:03] <LaserJock> simply because it was FF
[09:04] <LaserJock> she couldn't have cared less
[09:04] <LaserJock> what OS it was
[09:04] <ScottK> With the kids I first got them using FF, T-bird, and OO on Windows and then swapped them to Linux and they hardly noticed.
[09:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:05] <ScottK> Of course then when I was in a meeting that happened to have a senior MS guy in it a few months ago and the conversation turned to spam, virii, bots, etc. I could say, "Yes, that's why I don't allow my kids to use Windows".  The look on his face was priceless.
[09:06] <ScottK> He asked me a lot of questions after that too.  It was fun.
[09:08] <LaserJock> ScottK: hilarious
[09:29] <ajmitch> morning
[09:29] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:31] <ajmitch> sigh
[09:31] <ajmitch> people that deliberately cc offtopic stuff to devel lists
[09:32] <jdong> like bad computer jokes?
[09:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Just to piss you off :)
[09:34] <ajmitch> just like #u-motu
[09:35] <Adri2000> Seveas: feisty-changes rss feed seems broken
[09:36] <Seveas> Adri2000, it's not
[09:36] <Seveas> it's just on manual
[09:36] <ajmitch> hey Seveas 
[09:36] <Seveas> ola ajmitch 
[09:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Wanna help my dumb arse with some packaging?
[09:37] <Seveas> Adri2000, I'm improving the USN parser so the whole email parsing shebang was on manual
[09:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: depends if it'll take some time or not
[09:37] <ajmitch> I just got to work & all
[09:37] <Adri2000> Seveas: USN? UWN?
[09:38] <ajmitch> checking the fallout
[09:38] <bddebian> Oh, yeah it might take a while, mn
[09:38] <bddebian> Err nm even
[09:38] <Seveas> Adri2000, Ubuntu Security Notices
[09:38] <Seveas> I have an email2rss parser for that as well
[09:38] <Adri2000> ah, I thought weekly newsletter
[09:38] <Adri2000> ok
[09:39] <Seveas> heh
[09:39] <Seveas> keescook, yes, I'm working on including details :)
[09:39] <keescook> \o/
[09:39] <Seveas> but also improving the thing in general
[09:39] <bddebian> Ugh, do I wanna touch fai-kernels?
[09:39] <Seveas> bddebian, with a 10-foot pole?
[09:40] <bddebian> Maybe 20 foot
[09:40] <Seveas> yeah, that's safer
[09:40] <Seveas> ask hobbsee for her big pointy stick of doom
[09:41] <ajmitch> keescook! how's the hacking week going?
[09:41] <keescook> ajmitch: hiya, I'm actually not there.  :)
[09:45] <bddebian> ajmitch: Do you happen to know why gnome-vfs-mime.h is gone?
[09:45] <DogWater> does anyone know who maintains the redhat kickstart style installation stuff?
[09:46] <ajmitch> keescook: oh, that's unfortunate
[09:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: ENOCLUE
[09:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: I'm guessing it had to run away
[09:47] <DogWater> also anyone know who maintains the netboot portion of the installer?
[09:47] <bddebian> Gah, I hate crap that we've brought in that is now in Debian.. :-(
[09:47] <bddebian> DogWater: My guess would be that the installer stuff is done by the main folks.
[09:47] <DogWater> the netboot installer is broken in 6.10
[09:48] <ajmitch> didn't you ask this in about 2 or 3 other channels & get an answer?
[09:48] <DogWater> no, there was no answer
[09:48] <ajmitch> 09:00 < dsas> DogWater: I'm not sure who's responsible for updating that, perhaps cjwatson
[09:49] <DogWater> so i pester cjwatson about it?
[09:49] <bddebian> Gah fruck, -GLw..
[09:50] <ajmitch> he's a tad busy this week, I think
[09:50] <DogWater> well, i was just trying to figure out if there is anything we can do to help to get the kickstart process a little more polished
[09:50] <DogWater> as we do all of our builds exclusively with kickstart and we'd like to start offering ubuntu
[09:51] <ajmitch> there's a distro team sprint on at the moment, which I think he's attending
[09:51] <ajmitch> hopefully that's the right one, and he'd hopefully see it then
[09:51] <keescook> does anyone know if the buildds have /usr/bin/lsb_release ?
[09:52] <ajmitch> I doubt it
[09:52] <keescook> I can't tell, but it seems to be a dep of base-files ?
[09:53] <ajmitch> nope
[09:53] <ajmitch> Replaces: base, miscutils, lsb-release (<< 3.0-8)
[09:53] <ajmitch> Provides: base
[09:53] <ajmitch> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4-1ubuntu3), awk, base-passwd (>= 2.0.3.4), libpam-modules (>= 0.79-3ubuntu3)
[09:53] <keescook> hmmm
[09:53] <ajmitch> ubuntu-standard depends on it, I think
[09:54] <ajmitch> but I don't think that's on the buildds
[09:54] <ajmitch> I think it's just build-essential on there, but I can't be certain
[09:54] <keescook> I wonder how it snuck into my chroots...
[09:55] <LaserJock> morning ajmitch 
[09:56] <bddebian> So since we don't have libGLw, I need to disable mesa entirely?
[10:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: try libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev
[10:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you got OT in -motu?!? :-)
[10:10] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[10:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch> people that deliberately cc offtopic stuff to devel lists
[10:12] <ajmitch> people are never offtopic in here
[10:15] <LaserJock> I don't know what channel you've been lurking in
[10:15] <LaserJock> but it hasn't been here ;-)
[10:16] <poningru> I wanna bother someone re: getting alpine into universe
[10:18] <LaserJock> poningru: why do you need to bug someone about it?
[10:20] <poningru> LaserJock: its in debian unstable
[10:20] <poningru> should I just file a bug in lp for inclusion?
[10:20] <poningru> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/alpine
[10:21] <bddebian> ajmitch: I thought we dropped libGLw in Edgy?
[10:22] <LaserJock> poningru: you can file a sync request if you verify that it builds, installs, and works in Feisty
[10:22] <poningru> yes sir
[10:22] <ajmitch> bddebian: I don't know, take a look & find out :)
[10:26] <bddebian> ajmitch: Uhm, that wants to remove ubuntu-desktop :-)
[10:26] <LaserJock> poningru: ohhhhh, alpine. I just realized what you were asking about
[10:26] <LaserJock> poningru: that would be cool to see in Feisty
[10:27] <poningru> LaserJock: yeah I know right my friend packaged it up
[10:27] <poningru> but got no lovin from ubuntu :(
[10:27] <ajmitch> bddebian: I have every confidence that you can fix it & make everything happy
[10:27] <LaserJock> well, it *should* go in Debian first
[10:27] <ajmitch> and ponies will be out dancing in the fields, etc
[10:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well that's your first mistake :-)
[10:27] <poningru> its in debian unstable...
[10:27] <LaserJock> poningru: if it had gotten into Debian early enough it would have been automatically picked up
[10:28] <poningru> oh hehe yeah
[10:28] <poningru> I will build it in feisty tonight and file a sync request
[10:29] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_%28e-mail_client%29
[10:29] <LaserJock> ajmitch: pine replacement
[10:29] <LaserJock> well, not replacement
[10:29] <ajmitch> oh, you mean mutt
[10:29] <LaserJock> it's pine 2.0
[10:29] <ajmitch> :)
[10:29] <LaserJock> bah
[10:29] <LaserJock> I used pine for a long time at school
[10:29] <ajmitch> poor fellow
[10:30] <LaserJock> I don't think they even had mutt installed
[10:30] <LaserJock> it worked just fine mostly
[10:30] <LaserJock> my boss still uses it
[10:30] <hub> I used mutt until I used to many imap accounts
[10:30] <ajmitch> and I read my mail via ssh to home
[10:31] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, until recently the uni server was the most stable machine I had access to
[10:31] <LaserJock> then it went up in flames
[10:31] <LaserJock> almost literally
[10:38] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm what univ. was that?
[10:38] <enyc> LaserJock: I remember security.debian.org. on fire
[10:38] <ajmitch> different fires
[10:39] <ajmitch> that was in .nl, I think
[10:39] <fernando> mutt is the best :P
[10:40] <LaserJock> enyc: mine is the University of Nevada, Reno USA
[10:40] <LaserJock> I haven't quite fallen in love with mutt
[10:40] <LaserJock> I guess my biggest problem is that I always run it on the email server
[10:40] <LaserJock> and then attachments are a pain
[10:41] <LaserJock> apparently our server started smoking
[10:41] <LaserJock> and the raid control died
[10:41] <ajmitch> a bit annoying
[10:42] <LaserJock> so the department decided to off-load everything to the campus servers
[10:42] <LaserJock> and just the other day the shut down our server
[10:42] <LaserJock> so.. now I have a nice webmail account and get my Ubuntu mail sent elswhere
[10:43] <fernando> somebody know any article about the better pratics to command line options? =) example, more intuitive, more clean, more easy to users
[10:43] <fernando> better format
[10:43] <fernando> =)
[10:43] <LaserJock> *cough*
[10:44] <LaserJock> *more*  intuitive and user friendly CLI options?
[10:44] <LaserJock> *stuffy british voice* it's simply not done
[10:45] <fernando> hehehe
[10:45] <ajmitch> all apps must become like tla!
[10:46] <ajmitch> hey now
[10:46] <ajmitch> tla was a masterpiece
[10:48] <bddebian> Heh, disabling MESA doesn't work either :-(  ../include/xwin.h:122:22: error: GL/xmesa.h: No such file or directory
[10:53] <giskard> LaserJock, did you tried mutt -f pops:// ?
[10:54] <tsmithe> !tla
[10:54] <ubotu> tla: arch revision control system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-3.3 (edgy), package size 277 kB, installed size 744 kB
[10:54] <tsmithe> meh
[10:54] <giskard> the first arch implementation
[10:54] <giskard> written by tom lord (iirc)
[11:02] <enyc> LaserJock: hrrm i see
[11:02] <enyc> LaserJock: I remember security.debian.org went up in smoke at the university of twente......
[11:03] <plugwash> went up in smoke recently?
[11:29] <geser> plugwash: recently as in nov 2002 :)
[11:39] <asantoni> hey guys
[11:40] <asantoni> the Ubuntu wiki told me to "ask the REVU admins in #ubuntu-motu .... to re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring"
[11:40] <asantoni> :D
[11:43] <ajmitch> running it now
[11:43] <asantoni> thanks a ton :D
[11:43] <ajmitch> should be done in ~10min
[11:43] <asantoni> awesome
[11:47] <_MMA_> Anyone know when this stuff will show in the repos? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue Im still trying to learn the process.
[11:47] <_MMA_> Is their someone who pushes it from the queue or does it happen automatically at some point?
[11:48] <ScottK> There is someone who pushes it.
[11:48] <geser> _MMA_: when an archive admin accepts them (which is only needed for the first time)
[11:49] <_MMA_> geser: Ok. I thought that was the step to get them _to_ the queue not after? Im still learning. :)
[11:50] <geser> there are several queues
[11:51] <geser> this is the NEW queue where every new package lands
[11:51] <ajmitch> REVU queue, NEW queue, source publishing, build queue, binary publishing
[11:51] <ajmitch> what else?
[11:51] <_MMA_> :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> apart from -proposed, etc
[11:51] <ajmitch> which are special
[11:52] <geser> isn't between build queue and binary publishing once again the NEW queue (this time for the debs)?
[11:52] <ajmitch> if they're binary NEW
[11:53] <ajmitch> so that's the same queue used twice
[11:53] <ajmitch> unapproved queue for freeze times
[11:53] <LaserJock> _MMA_: it went REVU -> source NEW -> binary NEW
[11:53] <ajmitch> heh
[11:54] <ajmitch> "no blobs by default petition"
[11:54] <LaserJock> of course
[11:54] <_MMA_> Ahh... Ok. Just eager to test some of the packages like a bunch of people I guess. Thanx for the info.
[11:54] <geser> _MMA_: we have (had?) archive days (tuesdays and fridays) where an archive admin went through the accumulated stuff (syncs, NEW, etc)
[11:54] <LaserJock> who wants scary blob monsters in their computer?
[11:54] <LaserJock> _MMA_: well, the .debs are in Launchpad if you want to try them out :-)
[11:55] <LaserJock> at least I think they are
[11:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: blobs are great
[11:55] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I want have them show all perdy in Synaptic. :)
[11:55] <LaserJock> _MMA_: hehe, I know the feeling. apt-get update apt-get install <sweetness>
[11:56] <LaserJock> ajmitch: but they are scary
[11:56] <LaserJock> I don't want some "Swamp Thing" running around my hard drive
[11:57] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they eat ponies!
[11:57] <LaserJock> poor little ponies :(
[11:57] <ajmitch> which are shipped in the ubuntu kernel
[11:57] <LaserJock> I don't know and frankly don't care what blobs I have
[11:57] <_MMA_> Best pony ever: http://sg.geocities.com/mental_89/blogskins/MY_little_pony.jpg
[11:58] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Are we ever likely to see alternate firmware for those cards?
[11:58] <TheMuso> That is free?
[11:58] <ajmitch> joy, My Little Pony complete with teenage angst
[11:58] <LaserJock> but ... it's not cute and huggy
[11:58] <ajmitch> TheMuso: possible but unlikely in the near term
[11:58] <LaserJock> yeah, are we going to get Emo Pony?
[11:58] <_MMA_> lol
[11:59] <ajmitch> TheMuso: openbsd has drivers that work without their firmware I *think*
[11:59] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I rmeember hearing something about that, but not sure about the firmware either.
[11:59] <ajmitch> TheMuso: ah no, their page says you need the firmware
[11:59] <LaserJock> probably too old :/
[12:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: I'd buy one :-)
[12:00] <TheMuso> ajmitch: ah well./
[12:00] <LaserJock> just as long as we don't get My Little Maryiln Manson Pony
[12:01] <LaserJock> that'd be tooo creepy
[12:01] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Me too, because I don't really have any other choice.
[12:01] <ajmitch> unlike nvidia drivers, they don't taint the kernel & run on the cpu
[12:01] <TheMuso> I'll use free wheever possible, but am happy to use slightly non-free to make use of hardware I own.
[12:01] <somerville32> In recovery mode, it won't ask for the root passwd no matter what, right?
[12:02] <ajmitch> anyway, back later