[12:41] <cliebow_> moquist: ping
[12:41] <cliebow_> anyone up on ltsp?
[12:42] <cliebow_> i have a 4.1 kernel and chroot works fine..switch to the ltsp5 kernel and nfs wont mount the chroot
[02:57] <torrr> is ltsp a kernel? I thougght it was a package, no?
[03:01] <LaserJock> LTSP has a kernel that the thin client runs
[06:14] <jbrefort> k jean
[06:15] <jbrefort> sorry, wrong channel
[09:55] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:55] <cbx33> just a quick question
[09:55] <cbx33> do you want an actual deb to look at for sunday?
[09:55] <juliux> i have a question about the dhcpd.conf is the next-server the nfs server or the tftp server?
[09:55] <ogra> cbx33, a source package would be fine
[09:55] <ogra> juliux, tftp
[09:55] <cbx33> but a package none the less
[09:55] <juliux> ogra, thxs
[09:55] <cbx33> ok working on it now
[09:56] <cbx33> gonna take me a little while
[09:56] <cbx33> as I've never split a package into two binary pacakges before
[09:57] <cbx33> what was the one you did
[09:57] <cbx33> ltsp something
[09:57] <cbx33> had server and client didn;t it
[09:59] <cbx33> found it
[10:02] <cbx33> ogra: last question...am I pacakging as student control panel or thin client manager?
[10:02] <cbx33> what version number should I use?
[10:19] <ogra> you package thin-client-manager and add Conflicts:, Replaces:, Provides: student-control-panel
[10:21] <ogra> raise the s-c-p version by one for now ... if its done we'll call it 1.0
[10:21] <ogra> 0.5 would be right i think
[10:24] <cbx33> ok
[10:24] <cbx33> thanks dude
[10:24] <cbx33> doing it now
[10:27] <cbx33> are we changing the names of all the binaries and the install locations too?
[10:27] <cbx33> student-control-panel to thin-client-manager     scp to tcm   ?
[10:28] <cbx33> ogra: I'd prefer not to change all the dbus internal stuff
[10:28] <cbx33> what do you think?
[10:29] <ogra> as long as the .desktop file shows the right name in the menu do as you like
[10:29] <cbx33> ok
[10:29] <ogra> we also have to think about the location in the menu now that we have this ugly control center
[10:30] <ogra> i dont like it to be in the control center ....
[10:30] <cbx33> oh
[10:30] <cbx33> was that in herd2?
[10:30] <ogra> but we dont want a system tools menu ... by default
[10:30] <ogra> nope
[10:30] <ogra> that came in right after herd2
[10:31] <cbx33> ahh
[10:31] <cbx33> ok
[10:34] <cbx33> oh dang it....
[10:34] <cbx33> i need to install my chroot for fesity
[10:51] <cbx33> here are the pbuilder scripts
[10:51] <cbx33> so i can create mine for fesity?
[10:51] <cbx33> s/ehre/where
[10:59] <James-S> 'ello
[10:59] <James-S> Are there any plans to port edubuntu to KDE?
[10:59] <ogra> nope
[11:00] <ogra> but we'd appreciate a KDE based derivative :)
[11:00] <James-S> Well, i'm too busy
[11:00] <ogra> so feel free to get some people together to make one
[11:00] <James-S> Sorry, i'd love to but i'm working on some other things at the moment
[11:00] <James-S> :-(
[11:01] <ogra> but there is no problem to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:01] <James-S> Didn't want to pry, it's just when we used ubuntu on campus for under 18's, they didnt like GNOME
[11:01] <James-S> Hm, spose so
[11:01] <James-S> Any plans for MEDubuntu? :-D
[11:02] <ogra> well, we get a lot of positive feedback for gnome ... i think your'e the third person coming here complaining about it since the channel exists ...
[11:02] <ogra> MEDubuntu ? mediacal ubuntu ?
[11:02] <ogra> *medical
[11:03] <James-S> Yeah
[11:03] <cbx33> ogra: oh wanted to ask you that reminded me
[11:04] <James-S> ogra: I don't mind it, just they preferred KDE because of the color scheme
[11:04] <ogra> James-S, what did they not like bout our desktop ? is it to colored ?
[11:04] <cbx33> how easy is it to change to kubuntu for the main desktop in feisty
[11:04] <ogra> or are the icons to childish ?
[11:04] <cbx33> for edubuntu
[11:05] <ogra> cbx33, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <James-S> The only complaints were the colors, the top bar was too small and the icons were fine
[11:05] <cbx33> ogra: ok...i gotta add that o the book you see ;)
[11:06] <cbx33> ogra: is it required to download the feisty debootstrap into edgy to run a feisty chroot?
[11:06] <James-S> The bottom bar on KDE they liked, because it was large and colorful.. the psychologists on campus reccomended gnome for more mature students, and KDE for younger ones
[11:06] <ogra> James-S, which release did they test ? (we changed colors every release ... aprart from the window borders)
[11:06] <James-S> Not too sure, ogra
[11:06] <James-S> I wasn't there, i just heard from another teacher
[11:06] <ogra> its trivial to make the gnome bard 64px big ... (two clicks)
[11:06] <ogra> *bar
[11:07] <James-S> Well, i wouldn't know.. don't shoot the messenger
[11:07] <ogra> cbx33, the edgy one should be able to ...
[11:07] <cbx33> ok
[11:07] <ogra> but i have never done it, i usually work completely on the development release
[11:07] <cbx33> ogra: also...we're nearing the end of the week....got any progres to report so I can make rooom in the book?
[11:07] <James-S> The thing is, i imagine kids would prefer something they don't have to "mess with" themselves.. i've got nothing against GNOME
[11:07] <ogra> James-S, i dont want to shoot you, no worries :)
[11:08] <James-S> I dont relaly know why i prefer KDE
[11:08] <James-S> GNOME can look good, i just had to do a lot of fiddling around with things for a few hours before it looked great :-)
[11:09] <ogra> well, it has technical and manpower reasons that we use gnome edubuntu ...
[11:09] <ogra> +in
[11:16] <willvdl> cbx33, what do you use for editing docbook files?
[11:16] <willvdl> oops, he gone
[11:18] <James-S> yup
[11:18] <James-S> Okay, well thanks!
[11:19] <ogra> thanks for dropping by
[11:20] <James-S> It's okay
[11:21] <James-S> I wish we had support like ubuntu.. hehe
[11:33] <cbx33> sorry bout that someone crashed the entire network
[11:33] <cbx33> flodding
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser>  the psychologists on campus reccomended gnome for more mature students, and KDE for younger ones <- bahahahah
[11:33] <cbx33> ogra: did you give me an update on how far the specs have come?
[11:35] <ogra> no and we dont discuss the specs here ... i'll give one after monday, after we had the internal educational teammeeting
[11:35] <James-S> It's psychological :-P
[11:36] <ogra> currely i have no finished spec but a lot of them started ... its al lying in pieces
[11:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> James-S, :)
[11:36] <ogra> (apart from ltsp sound .... that should be done today and rocks :) )
[11:42] <cbx33> thanks
[11:44] <cbx33> ogra: what is the state of printing on LTSP going to be?
[11:45] <ogra> no serial printewrs yet
[11:45] <ogra> but everything else will work like in edgy
[11:45] <ogra> i know sbalneav has patches for serial as well, but he didnt send me anything yet
[11:46] <ogra> (i'm missing the HW to test serial printer stuff)
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, whats this about serial printers?
[11:47] <James-S> I've got to make some equipment mechanism for storage, management, etc in hospitals .. i checked the bodies that you have to comply with in order for the NHS to accept the software; there's 45 criterion in all :-(
[11:48] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, the new print server doesnt have support for serial printers yet ... we had to drop the old one because it wasnt licensed at all and no upstream exists anymore
[11:49] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
[11:51] <cbx33> and how was that ogra, how id it work in edgy....
[11:51] <cbx33> did they just print through the server
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, ah ok. i have the equipment to test parallel printers, so i was wondering. as for pure seriall....
[11:51] <ogra> cbx33, it worked the same as in upstream ltsp ... it never changed ...
[11:52] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, serial rinters are usually used in POS systems
[11:52] <ogra> to print bills etc
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, yeh. i'm just looking around my room wondering if i have any serial's lying around
[11:53] <cbx33> ogra: I've never printed from an ltsp thin client
[11:53] <ogra> well, we need the code from sbalneav first :)
[11:53] <ogra> cbx33, look in the ltsp.org docs
[11:54] <ogra> its 100% equal ... and will stay this way (if i get scotties code)
[11:55] <cbx33> ok
[12:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah well. i dont have a serial printer (well, not that i can see)
[01:06] <cbx33> ogra: w00t I have a source file
[01:06] <cbx33> I'll try installing that on my machine at home later
[01:06] <cbx33> see if it makes it in a usable state
[01:08] <RichEd> hey cbx33 ... can you mail me the .PDF for your BETT brochure ?
[01:08] <cbx33> um....yeh sure
[01:08] <RichEd> pliss tank yew ....
[01:08] <RichEd> :)
[01:09] <cbx33> RichEd: it may be best to get it from will
[01:09] <cbx33> I'll send you my version but he has the one that went to the printers
[01:09] <cbx33> RichEd: it may be best to get it from will
[01:09] <cbx33> I'll send you my version but he has the one that went to the printers
[01:09] <RichEd> thanks :)
[01:09] <cbx33> whoops
[01:09] <RichEd> thanks :)
[01:09] <RichEd> i keep seeing 2 of everthying
[01:11] <cbx33> it's on it's way
[01:11] <cbx33> my lag here is awful
[01:11] <cbx33> can't wait till my friends server is fixed
[01:13] <juliux> cbx33, did you create the logo for edubuntu-schools team?
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe. thanks for that :)
[01:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> time will tell. unfortunately i cant work on it to much tonight - gotta pick mum up from the airport early am :/
[01:20] <cbx33> juliux: yes
[01:20] <juliux> cbx33, if you want i can create one with the edubuntu circle and not with the ubuntu one
[01:21] <cbx33> oooh yes
[01:21] <cbx33> thanky
[01:21] <juliux> cbx33, i will email it to you
[01:30] <juliux> cbx33, here it is http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntuschool16x16.png it is already in the right size for launchpad
[01:53] <willvdl> Can anyone suggest a reasonable spec for edubuntu workstation?
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> workstation? as oposed to thin client?
[01:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'd think any p3+256mb ram would do as a minimal thing
[01:54] <willvdl> yip
[01:55] <willvdl> so P4+512MB off-the-shelf is decent enough
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 gig cpu, 512ram and your flying
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> easy
[01:55] <willvdl> don't need to fly but would be cool
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> (imo)
[01:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:22] <cbx33> awesome juliux
[02:23] <cbx33> if you could email it to me that would be great
[02:23] <juliux> cbx33, ok
[02:24] <crazytales2> I have edubuntu running on a 1.7GHz celery/512mb
[02:24] <crazytales2> at 1600x1200
[03:13] <cbx33> RichEd: did you get my file?
[03:15] <RichEd> yes thanks ... and it's on its way to the philippines
[03:15] <RichEd> :)
[03:15] <cbx33> wow awesome
[03:15] <cbx33> RichEd: do you have 2 mins fro a quick chat?
[03:16] <RichEd> in 5 mins yeah :)
[03:16] <cbx33> cool
[03:16] <cbx33> just ping me
[03:22] <juliux> cool on the new thinclients is now sound working
[04:00] <James-S> :)
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya
[06:00] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:01] <cbx33> anyone know if you can get sound on dapper LTS and if so is there a wiki guide for it that works?
[06:01] <ogra> SOUND=True
[06:01] <ogra> (its very strict about the wording in dapper)
[06:02] <ogra> i have to pack up, we need to leave the room
[06:06] <cbx33> ogra ok
[06:06] <cbx33> thanks
[06:38] <juliux> ogra, i have sucess with sound on thinclients here
[07:38] <juliux> anybody awake?
[07:56] <joumetal> juliux I'm awake
[07:56] <Petaris> Hi all
[07:57] <Petaris> Can anyone tell me if FL_TeacherTool works with the Ubuntu LTSP?
[08:16] <juliux> joumetal, did you tested the feisty iso?
[08:19] <joumetal> juliux no. It would be intresting. I have up to date ubuntu-feisty installed if it's any help.
[08:30] <juliux> hm all feisty iso are broken on my core duo
[08:34] <joumetal> juliux are you familiar with malone?
[08:35] <juliux> i check malone but there was no bug report
[08:38] <joumetal> maybe it's core duo problem. It would be very nice to get core duos working with feisty. How broken are isos?
[08:40] <juliux> after the keyboard decetion the installation hangs
[08:40] <juliux> if i switch to tty4 i see the error kernel not found
[08:40] <juliux> i will try now edgy and then upgrading to feisty
[08:42] <juliux> http://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html?mod=prod&name=SY600MTA45-A this is the pc
[08:43] <cliebow_> ltsp anyone?syntax for an lts.conf ..specify by hostname or MAC address?
[08:43] <juliux> cliebow_, booth is working
[08:44] <cliebow_> ah k.. SCREEN_01=shell too?
[08:44] <joumetal> juliux I suggest filing new bug report with much information.
[08:44] <cliebow_> juliux:just getting final touches on powerpc chroot from 1386
[08:44] <juliux> joumetal, i want to talk with a dev bevor i do tath;)
[08:45] <juliux> that
[08:59] <juliux> so bug report field;)