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| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! | 03:34 |
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| Hobbsee | hey Jucato! | 03:35 |
| Jucato | I think I need to distance myself from KDE... | 03:36 |
| crimsun | in what fashion? | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh? | 03:37 |
| Jucato | dunno... but don't you think it's bad when you start dreaming about KDE? O.o | 03:37 |
| crimsun | I dream about KDE, GNOME and Xfce all the time. | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | er, no? | 03:37 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:38 |
| crimsun | as in very bad alsa-related dreams. | 03:38 |
| Jucato | ok, so I'm normal after all! lol | 03:38 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:56 |
| === poningru is dreaming of a desktop... zomg its gnome&KDE | ||
| Hobbsee | what, a combination? | 04:02 |
| crimsun | wasn't that Red Hat 8 or something? | 04:03 |
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| jdong | crimsun: redhat9... Bluecurve | 04:17 |
| jdong | poningru: ^^ | 04:17 |
| poningru | rofl | 04:17 |
| jdong | they made almost identical looking themes for KDE/GNOME | 04:17 |
| jdong | so they look believably blended | 04:17 |
| jdong | only problem was starting from FC1 | 04:18 |
| jdong | they revamped the GNOME Bluecurve theme | 04:18 |
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| jdong | but didn't remember/bother to update KDE's | 04:18 |
| jdong | so from that point on Bluecurve went downhill :) | 04:18 |
| jdong | I still like the metatheme concept though | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | jdong: heh | 04:19 |
| === Hobbsee remembers bluecurve | ||
| === jdong thinks a Human metatheme would be kinda nice | ||
| === poningru is too young to remember fc1 | ||
| === Jucato would like a metatheme, but with different color schemes :P | ||
| === Hobbsee doesnt like the ubuntu icons. | ||
| poningru | WHAT? | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | the human ones | 04:26 |
| === poningru <3's tango | ||
| poningru | oh right | 04:26 |
| === Hobbsee also doesnt like gnome looking all grey, either | ||
| poningru | hehe I sometimes forget my icons arent the default | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | that's my biggest hate - i prefer shiny, etc. | 04:26 |
| poningru | ... | 04:26 |
| === ajmitch shudders | ||
| Hobbsee | shiny, pretty. not grey. | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | hence, i'm going to resist any gnome-looking icons :P | 04:26 |
| === ajmitch dangles shiny bits of string in front of Hobbsee to distract her | ||
| === Hobbsee thwaps ajmitch | ||
| Jucato | Human icons are shiny :) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, they're getting a bit better.... | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: ooh...shiny :) | 04:27 |
| poningru | but..but... | 04:27 |
| Jucato | hehe | 04:27 |
| poningru | you just thwapepd him | 04:27 |
| poningru | you cant do that | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | it's Hobbsee | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | poningru: why cant i? i've met him in person.... | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | what do you expect? | 04:27 |
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| === Hobbsee notes that ajmitch isnt a great fan of being tickled. | ||
| poningru | rofl | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | hah | 04:28 |
| Jucato | heh | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | hih? | 04:28 |
| poningru | hoh | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | YES! | 04:28 |
| poningru | mo | 04:28 |
| poningru | gaaah | 04:28 |
| poningru | you broke the meme | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | sad people | 04:29 |
| === poningru takes Hobbsee's long pointy stick and beats her with it | ||
| Hobbsee | poningru: you *cant* - it's mine! | 04:29 |
| poningru | pssh I just did!!! | 04:29 |
| poningru | :p | 04:30 |
| poningru | brb | 04:30 |
| poningru | pushup time hooah | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | poningru: you're deluded | 04:33 |
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| poningru | blargh MY BRAAAAIIIN!!!! | 04:35 |
| poningru | 'obey Hobbsee' | 04:36 |
| poningru | 'obey Hobbsee' | 04:36 |
| poningru | 'obey Hobbsee' | 04:36 |
| poningru | 'obey Hobbsee' | 04:36 |
| poningru | 'obey Hobbsee' | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | how dull | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: how can i reset my mouse into working, without restarting the X server? | 04:36 |
| poningru | ... guess she restarted X after all | 04:37 |
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| poningru | Hobbsee: I sometimes fix mouse troubles by going to another tty and then coming back to 7 | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | poningru: yeah, that fixed the display, but not the mouse | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: give the laptop to me | 04:39 |
| poningru | hmm weird | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: why, what will you do with it? :P | 04:39 |
| poningru | no give it to me | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | keep it | 04:39 |
| poningru | I actually need it | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | silly question | 04:39 |
| === Hobbsee does have a spare | ||
| === ajmitch needs it as well | ||
| poningru | alacloud.net if anyone wants to donate some old hardware | 04:39 |
| poningru | something that will take less than 10W | 04:40 |
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| poningru | Hobbsee: we recently moved server to a different location can you test speed to aus? http://freeculture.org/random-100-megs | 04:51 |
| poningru | err wrong channel | 04:51 |
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| Riddell | hmm, kdegames gone boom | 09:44 |
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| Riddell | so... anyone dist-upgraded to the 3.5.6 in feisty? | 10:06 |
| stdin | yep | 10:07 |
| stdin | Riddell: it's in feisty/main now, isn't it ? | 10:09 |
| Mez | oh... didnt know we'd updated | 10:15 |
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| Riddell | stdin: yes | 10:25 |
| stdin | so I had to download it twice, once from Riddell's reop, then again from the main one | 10:26 |
| === Mez -> bed | ||
| Riddell | stdin: and do you now have the packages from the ubuntu archive? | 10:32 |
| Riddell | night Mez | 10:32 |
| Mez | morning Riddell (and sleepy byes) | 10:33 |
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| stdin | Riddell: sorry, was away for a while. Yeah, they are from the ubuntu archive now | 11:20 |
| Riddell | stdin: does konsole still work? | 11:23 |
| stdin | Riddell: yep, seems to work fine | 11:24 |
| Riddell | great, thanks | 11:28 |
| stdin | you're welcome :) | 11:28 |
| Riddell | stdin: able to do another test? | 11:30 |
| Riddell | wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konsole/kdebase_pty_test.cc | 11:30 |
| Riddell | make sure you have kdelibs-dev installed | 11:30 |
| Riddell | compile using the instructions at the top | 11:30 |
| Riddell | and run ./a.out | 11:30 |
| stdin | I get a "ERROR 403: Forbidden." | 11:30 |
| Riddell | stdin: try now | 11:31 |
| stdin | Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/329039 | 11:34 |
| Riddell | hum | 11:44 |
| Riddell | you sure you have the package from ubuntu and not still from kubuntu.org? they have the same version number | 11:44 |
| stdin | yeah, just reinstalled to make sure | 11:46 |
| Riddell | ok, thanks, I'll look into it when I can get to a feisty machine | 11:46 |
| stdin | Riddell: huh, actually it compiled this time | 11:48 |
| Riddell | oh? did you change any packages? | 11:48 |
| stdin | not that I could tell, just did a apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs-dev | 11:48 |
| Riddell | well, that would help | 11:49 |
| Riddell | does it run? | 11:49 |
| stdin | crashes right away | 11:49 |
| Riddell | mmm, nice | 11:49 |
| Riddell | try apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs4c2a konsole | 11:50 |
| stdin | not it runs | 11:52 |
| stdin | *now | 11:52 |
| Riddell | oh, does anything appear on the konsole widget? | 11:53 |
| stdin | yeah, it prints "(child) hello world 2" then "bash: no job control in this shell" then a prompt | 11:54 |
| Riddell | perfect | 11:54 |
| Riddell | it's all coming together beautifully! | 11:55 |
| Riddell | thanks stdin | 11:55 |
| stdin | no problem :) | 11:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hey ! just to let you know, I'm preparing uploads for kdebase, kdelibs, kdemultimedia and kdenetwork | 11:59 |
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| sebas | Riddell: Any idea which address of Mark I should subscribe to the supporting membership list? | 12:05 |
| Riddell | mark@ubuntu.com? | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | hi sebas ;) | 12:07 |
| sebas | Ok, thanks | 12:07 |
| Riddell | or mark@canonical.co | 12:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shoudln't we provide the kwallet patch with edgy 3.5.6 packages ? this is a very annoying issue and the patch closes the bug | 12:08 |
| Tonio_ | I just added the patch to feisty fyi | 12:09 |
| Riddell | mm, that one slipped my mind | 12:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe, that cn happen | 12:11 |
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| Riddell | hi Zerlinna | 12:17 |
| Zerlinna | hi Riddell | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | hey Zerlinna | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we define a date for the next meeting ? | 12:20 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: have you heard anything of amu? | 12:20 |
| Zerlinna | hi Tonio_ | 12:20 |
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| Tonio_ | hey imbrandon ! | 12:20 |
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| kwwii | hi Zerlinna | 12:23 |
| Zerlinna | hi kwwii :-) | 12:23 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: not for a while | 12:24 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: why? | 12:24 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: I need to know if he's coming to CLT because Jan from CLT is awaiting our reply (booth staff etc.) by the 31st | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how about the next meeting, shoudln't we define a date ? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | Zerlinna: does it matter? so long as somebody turns up to run it? | 12:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yep, we should | 12:28 |
| Tonio_ | wi not thursday in a week ? | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | 22 utc as always | 12:29 |
| Riddell | as long as it doesn't clash with an ubuntu dev team meeting | 12:29 |
| Tonio_ | sure | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it does ;) | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | let's find a new date | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | maybe in 2 week then | 12:31 |
| Tonio_ | 02/06 22 utc, nothing then | 12:31 |
| Zerlinna | Riddell: well, it does, because amu is listed as one of the organisators (he registered and second booth and after merged it with ours) | 12:31 |
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| kwwii | Zerlinna: have you sent amu an email asking about this? | 12:32 |
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| kwwii | Zerlinna: if he doesn't reply feel free to take his name off that list | 12:32 |
| Zerlinna | kwwii: I sent a mail to the events-list | 12:33 |
| kwwii | Zerlinna: well, I would probably CC him on that, just in case, and if he doesn't respond take action | 12:33 |
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| Zerlinna | kwwii: true.. I'll forward the mail to him | 12:34 |
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| Tonio_ | hey kwwii | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | hi rraphink ! | 12:35 |
| Zerlinna | hi rraphink ;) | 12:35 |
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| quique | Hi, will packages of KDE 3.5.6 be uploaded for Dapper ? | 12:41 |
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| Enola_Gay | hi all | 12:42 |
| Riddell | hi Enola_Gay | 12:43 |
| Riddell | quique: no | 12:43 |
| quique | :-( | 12:44 |
| rraphink | hi Tonio_ we | 12:44 |
| rraphink | hi Zerlinna | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | rraphink: bah putain il tait temps ! | 12:45 |
| quique | Time to learn how to use Konstruct, I guess... | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | rraphink: remarque t'es dans le midi maintenant c'est normal | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | le midi c'est la suite de la france un peu :) | 12:45 |
| rraphink | heh | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 12:45 |
| rraphink | un pote utilise mon portable dans la journee | 12:45 |
| rraphink | pendant que je suis au boulot | 12:45 |
| rraphink | donc en general, rraphink c'est mon pote | 12:46 |
| rraphink | et moi c'est raphink | 12:46 |
| rraphink | ;) | 12:46 |
| Enola_Gay | hi Riddell, do you know if the gpg bug in Kopete 3.5.6 is fixed? | 12:47 |
| Riddell | quique: it's not hard to apt-get source the kde packages and run debuild to compile | 12:47 |
| Riddell | Enola_Gay: which bug is that? | 12:47 |
| Enola_Gay | similar to this one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/63221 | 12:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63221 in kopete "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:47 |
| Enola_Gay | I have upgraded to 3.5.6 yesterday and everything seems to work fine except the encryption in Kopete so I have downgraded again. | 12:47 |
| quique | Riddell: Ok, thanks, I'll try that | 12:47 |
| Riddell | Enola_Gay: I wonder if that happens in feisty too | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | quique: apt-get source <> package && apt-get build-dep <package> && debuild | 12:52 |
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| Tonio_ | debuild <package>*.dsc | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | sorry :) | 12:52 |
| quique | First I should add the KDE 3.5.6 Edgy repository, right ? | 12:53 |
| quique | apt-get source <package> && apt-get build-dep <package> && debuild <package>*.dsc , right? | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 12:54 |
| rraphink | or pbuilder | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | get the package first, then install everything required for the build, and debuild it | 12:54 |
| rraphink | ;) | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | quique: also, devscripts and build-essential packages might be required too | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | and that's it | 12:55 |
| quique | Thank you, Tonio_ | 12:55 |
| Riddell | quique: only add the deb-src for the 3.5.6 edgy archive | 12:56 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: sorry, I have no Feisty, only Edgy | 12:57 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: And it isn't so easy to test encryption with a Live CD | 12:57 |
| Enola_Gay | Tonio_: quique afaik apt-src installs every needed dependencies | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm also preparing a new kds, nothing to add on your own ? | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Enola_Gay: yes gives about the same result, but it is not installed by default :) | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | I hope kdenetwork build will not fail this time | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | I had an issue with ksambaplugins lib last time I tried... | 12:59 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: Is any gpg password gui installed in Feisty by default? Then it wouldn't be so hard to check it with live cd. | 01:00 |
| Riddell | Enola_Gay: nope | 01:00 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: nothing comes to mind | 01:01 |
| Enola_Gay | It would make sense but I could try it since Kopete has something like that. At least I could install software on live cd. bbl | 01:01 |
| Enola_Gay | cu | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: new kds on my own is to set defualt settings for the kopete contact list theme, as the patch allows that | 01:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should look to a sru for knetworkmanager too | 01:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll take care of it next week | 01:03 |
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| \sh | hmmm.... | 01:34 |
| \sh | adept doesn't update new kde version...from the dialog where it says: new kde version available, please click next to update.... | 01:34 |
| \sh | after that, adept just closes without any hint | 01:35 |
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| Enola_Gay | re | 01:46 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: The Kopete GPG problem doesn't happen in Feisty. | 01:47 |
| Enola_Gay | Riddell: Wow, wait, does Herd 2 uses Kopete 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | Enola_Gay: .5 because .6 was released later? | 01:48 |
| Enola_Gay | It have to be 3.5.5?! sorry | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 01:48 |
| Enola_Gay | :) | 01:48 |
| Tm_T | But do upgrade and you get .6 eventually. | 01:48 |
| Enola_Gay | Tm_T: Of Course but I have only tested it with the live cd since I need a working Linux installation and my laptop isn't fast enough for an emulator. | 01:49 |
| Tm_T | Sure. | 01:50 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you integrate the patch for kopete baloons in kdelibs ? | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | I don't see it in the changelog | 02:06 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's in the upstream .orig | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah you did a sync ? | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | ho no just those 2 files, okay I understand :) | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | that's why you needed the patch for nzb files | 02:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, it's in the upstream release | 02:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: new edgy 3.5.6 langpacks are on kubuntu.org | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah the patch is there :) | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kubuntu_65_nzb_mimetype.diff | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | looks like it is not in your orig ;) | 02:08 |
| Tonio_ | but yes it is in official upstream release | 02:09 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture8.png | 03:12 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: any opinion ? | 03:12 |
| Tonio__ | the contact list theme needs to be updated to fit the default theme, but kopete looks better to me like this | 03:13 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: although, that new discuss window theme has one advantage : it doesn't but on images, while the default kopete style does | 03:13 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: I'd like to give a test, especially since the default kopete theme bugs when you post a smiley on the first post of a series | 03:17 |
| Tonio__ | image isn't displayed | 03:17 |
| Riddell | Tonio__: have you spoken to any kopete developers about this? | 03:18 |
| Tm_T | Tonio__: ? | 03:19 |
| Tm_T | Tonio__: How I can reproduce that? | 03:19 |
| Jucato | nice theme :) | 03:19 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: nope, but the guy that did the patch told that he was contacted by kopete to implement this in kde4 | 03:19 |
| Tonio__ | lemme find you the link | 03:19 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: what? you don't know? :O | 03:19 |
| Tonio__ | Tm_T: to reproduce that you need patches | 03:19 |
| Tm_T | Tonio__: I see, it's patch related. | 03:20 |
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| Tonio__ | Riddell: well the discussion window theme is just a "normal" theme | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: Know what? | 03:20 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: nothing :) | 03:20 |
| Tonio__ | the the fact that the contact list is themeable results from a patch | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | ...true. | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | Tonio__: Yup, well, maybe I try that. | 03:20 |
| Tm_T | I did refuse to try it earlier. ;) | 03:20 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765 | 03:20 |
| Tonio__ | that's what he annouced | 03:21 |
| Tonio__ | I found another topic on google saying kopete was interested in his patch | 03:21 |
| Tonio__ | but I can't find the link.... | 03:21 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: I already uploaded the patch for kdenetwork, you told me last time you were okay to test this in feisty ;) | 03:22 |
| Riddell | oh aye | 03:22 |
| Riddell | sure go ahead | 03:22 |
| Tm_T | Tonio__: I'll look mailinglist. ;) | 03:22 |
| Riddell | is kopete in feisty from kdenetwork now? | 03:22 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: okay, I'll fix the contact list theme to fit that new one today and I will upload kds toonight | 03:22 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: yes | 03:22 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: the reason for the default theme change is not artwork, but that the default bugs | 03:23 |
| Tonio__ | concerning the look, I'll ask kwwii's opinion of course :) | 03:23 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: concerning the kwallet patch and edgy, we may wait a bit | 03:24 |
| kwwii | Tonio__: which theme are you talking about? | 03:24 |
| Tonio__ | there is a critical bug in 3.5.6 and kmail, so I found suggest to wait for a fix publish the 2 patches, do you agree on the approach | 03:24 |
| Tonio__ | http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture8.png | 03:24 |
| Tonio__ | kwwii: this one, reguarding the "discussion window", not the contact list | 03:25 |
| Tonio__ | kwwii: kopete's default is nice bug bugs sometimes, this one doesn't bug and looks nicer to me | 03:25 |
| Tonio__ | kwwii: so I'd like to upload it via kds and wait for people's feedback | 03:26 |
| kwwii | Tonio__: looks good to me | 03:26 |
| kwwii | especially if it is less buggy | 03:26 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: the critical bug I'm talking about is http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660 | 03:26 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,New] | 03:26 |
| Tonio__ | looses all mails when crashing | 03:26 |
| Tonio__ | and is tagged as "grave" | 03:26 |
| Jucato | if you don't lose the mail, it gets duplicated | 03:27 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: yes too | 03:27 |
| kwwii | hehe, that is one I don't want to test | 03:27 |
| Jucato | hehe I tested it. luckily no deleted mails :) | 03:27 |
| Tonio__ | Riddell: I'll wait for a fix, and then maybe we can prepare new edgy packages including kwallet and that patch | 03:27 |
| Jucato | (of course I didn't test it on Kubuntu's KDE... guilty feeling...) | 03:27 |
| Tonio__ | since the bug is propably on the same package (kdelibs) | 03:27 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: confirmed to me on #kubuntu-fr | 03:28 |
| Tonio__ | edgy and 3.5.6 | 03:28 |
| Jucato | yeah, the bug reporter was on #kde. confirmed on Mandriva, using KDE SVN by annma... lots of confirmations :) | 03:28 |
| Tonio__ | I'll post the patch on feisty, no problem on that point, but the issue is 3.5.6 on edgy since that's up to Riddell only ;) | 03:28 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: well now it's "grave" we can be sur to have a patch in a few days | 03:29 |
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| Jucato | yeah... it wasn't grave a few minutes ago while we were having fun seeing duplicated mails :D | 03:30 |
| Tonio__ | how can they release kmail regularly with such big issues ? | 03:31 |
| Tonio__ | they only test imap, that probably the reason | 03:31 |
| Tonio__ | it is not the first time kmail is released with pop3 completly broken | 03:31 |
| Tonio__ | while imap support always work like a charm | 03:31 |
| Jucato | I guess very few people use Ctrl+J... | 03:34 |
| Tonio__ | Jucato: also fails with right click "apply rules" | 03:36 |
| Tonio__ | the shortucut isn't the issue, the scan is | 03:36 |
| Jucato | aah | 03:36 |
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| Tonio_ | aller hop, on change le theme par defaut de kopete dans feisty ! | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | ca va dchirer ! | 03:42 |
| Tonio_ | oups bad channel sorry | 03:42 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:43 |
| Jucato | :D | 03:43 |
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| Tm_T | Hmm, have you gu(/a)ys seen this? http://gaybuntu.com/ | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:36 |
| apokryphos | yeah, at least it's not a fork | 04:36 |
| apokryphos | like with christianubuntu (and the satanicubuntu parady) | 04:36 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: Oh my... I hope I can easily unpatch my Kopete, this looks too bad. | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: the theme is a matter of configuration | 04:38 |
| Tm_T | Or, I just heavily modify or hmm hmm. | 04:38 |
| Tonio_ | you can switch back to standard very easilly | 04:38 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: But all images are _tiny_ compared my hacks... | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | the patch just adds more possibilities, but doesn't replace anything | 04:39 |
| Tm_T | Oh it does. | 04:39 |
| Tm_T | Atleast here, a lot. | 04:39 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: yes, but no visual change as long as you don't configure anything | 04:39 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I know, but I already had modifications in code and this sort of "undo" it all. | 04:40 |
| Tm_T | Oh why I didn't take backup... ;) | 04:40 |
| Riddell | _Sime, or anyone: where is the thing that we add to set the X DPI? | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in guidance | 04:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, but which file_ | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just saw kde now allows to do that nativelly right ? we may do that in kds then no ? | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me search.... | 04:41 |
| jdong | /etc/X11/Xsession.d | 04:41 |
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| jdong | 40-guidance-displayrestore | 04:41 |
| jdong | 40guidance-displayconfig_restore rather | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | jdong: well done | 04:41 |
| jdong | Tonio_: hehe, remember it distinctly from investigating the DPMS stuff :) | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: since I'm preparing a kds would you like that I activate the 96 dpi in it ? | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then you just have to patch guidance | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll upload toonight probably | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep that's the one /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | very cool that ked now does that nativelly | 04:43 |
| jdong | cool indeed | 04:43 |
| jdong | but wasn't GNOME doing that since like 2.8? | 04:43 |
| jdong | </flamesuit> | 04:43 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe the settings will also apply to kdm, that would be cool | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: btw I added to my todo list to do that in kds | 04:46 |
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| Tm_T | Tonio_: Anyway, I'll play around with this, atleast resize pics & icons and colourise this to match Oxygen palette. :) | 04:49 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: activate dpi where? | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in kss, where you can manage the fonts settings | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you can now fix the dpi from there ;) | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the the guidance workarround can be removed | 04:53 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: but it's just a fixed DPI? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, isn't that what guidance does ? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | fixes dpi to 96 | 04:54 |
| Riddell | well, guidance does it a bit more clever | 04:55 |
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| Tonio_ | ah ? okay I won't touch that then | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what is the difference ? | 04:55 |
| Riddell | I think we should talk to _Sime first before changing it | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure ;) | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture9.png | 04:55 |
| Riddell | the guidance script sets it to 96 or 120 or if you have a stupidly high DPI then just leaves it alone | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | but the fact is that it is in kde now, which is good :) | 04:56 |
| Riddell | yep | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | it deals with cases in fact... | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is is guidance overwriting the kde thing ? | 04:56 |
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| Tonio_ | because now it is in kde, maybe people would like to adjust the fonts in there | 04:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: probably not, but it depends on when in the X startup cycle it sets the DPI | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | and we may encounter but reports if it doesn't work | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well as you said, _Sime is the man for this so me may ask him first ;) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | he'll know what about | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | 's/but reports/bug reports' | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: Okay I'll wait and ask him :) | 04:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: guidanance does 96, 120 or 140+ | 04:58 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: the default values can be added in kde very easilly | 04:58 |
| Lure | this ensures that fonts always look sane | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | but it depends on what we want | 04:58 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true, but not for good default | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | if guidance overrides kde settings, that can be an issue is guidance doesn't set that properly | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | that's my point | 04:59 |
| Lure | for out of box, guidance is still good - if they want manual, they can yuse the kde setting | 04:59 |
| Lure | would need to test that order is right | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, if the guidance doesn't override the settings, I'm perfectly okay with you, then we have to keep the guidance thing | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | but that neess to be tested :) | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: what if you change the dpi in kde ? | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | does it work ? | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | as long as it works, there is no reason to remove guidance | 05:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: does not look to have any effect... :-( Maybe I would need to logout/login... | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: maybe.... | 05:01 |
| Lure | Will set it now and repprt back | 05:01 |
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| Tonio_ | or maybe guidance overrites the thing :) | 05:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: easy for you to test.. | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yeah but I'm just cleaning teh appartment :) I'm not in front of the computer since my gf will be back in a moment | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I will of course :) | 05:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you hoover, get the girlfriend to test | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | haha ;) | 05:14 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Kopete-contactlist-themed-02.png | 05:23 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: Only resized it a bit, recolouring etc will make it look good I think. :) | 05:23 |
| \sh | Tm_T: what about the KLean one ? | 05:24 |
| apokryphos | ah, forgot to try that. Remember seeing it on k-look | 05:24 |
| \sh | Tm_T: the avatar pictures are on the right side, and it's a nice looking one...for me | 05:24 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, I'll play around, we'll see... | 05:25 |
| \sh | Tm_T: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=36477 | 05:26 |
| \sh | KOne....not klean ;) | 05:26 |
| Tm_T | \sh: Yes, that's chat style, and I'm playing around with contactlist. ;) | 05:27 |
| \sh | Tm_T: oh yeah...*stupid* btw..how small can you resize get the avatar pictures in the contact lists...I don't like those big ones .. | 05:29 |
| Tm_T | \sh: 16x I think is the smallest size, this BIG one is all my own hack just for fun, default I think is 48x | 05:30 |
| \sh | btw...did we include the new beryl and composite managers for kde? | 05:30 |
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| Tm_T | \sh: But this "themeing in contactlist" has "forced" size to 30x so I did remove that limit. | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | okay Riddell I'm testing the dpi thing | 05:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: it works | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but the desc of the setting should say "need to reload kde" | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nothing to change then | 05:35 |
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| Jucato | wow :) | 06:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hehe | 06:23 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: fonts dpi works ok with manual switch (after reboot) | 06:26 |
| Lure | even after reboot/login | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yup I just tested, so no need to change anything, that's cool :) | 06:27 |
| Lure | yep | 06:27 |
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| nixternal_ | oi! | 06:42 |
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| nixternal | question: are they any plans in the future to add a restart option after doing system upgrades that may require a restart (i.e., like GNOME does) | 07:11 |
| nixternal | s/they/there/ | 07:11 |
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| nixternal | is KNetworkManager installed by default now? I can't remember if I installed it or not on my Feisty test box | 07:22 |
| fdoving | nixternal: kubuntu-desktop depends on it, iirc. | 07:25 |
| nixternal | OK, so it is something new then. I was wondering why it was on my desktop all of a sudden | 07:27 |
| fdoving | yeah. it doesn't work well with my wireless card, so i need to remove it and install kwlan. | 07:28 |
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| ryanakca|school | nixternal: hmm... I dunno... what would that restart applet have to be coded in? C++? Python? | 07:34 |
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| \sh | there is a problem with with the mixer applet which is started during loggin into the session | 07:35 |
| \sh | it's not getting the change of sounddevice... amarok is right now intelligent enough to reload the alsa configuration | 07:36 |
| \sh | you have to shutdown the applet, and readd kmix from "add to applet to panel" | 07:36 |
| Riddell | which change of sound device? | 07:40 |
| \sh | asoundconf set-default-card <Cardname> | 07:41 |
| \sh | e.g. switching from main device (ICH6) to my usb headset | 07:41 |
| \sh | amarok right now is doing it correctly and reloads alsa configuration | 07:41 |
| \sh | (even the local ones, which are included from global alsa.conf) | 07:42 |
| Riddell | I doubt that kmix has ever succeeded in that | 07:46 |
| \sh | the mixer applet what you can add to the panel is able to catch new devices..and you can set it to your device of your choice | 07:48 |
| \sh | Riddell: I just send to jriddell@ubuntu.com the kppp nozomi devices diff against latest kdenetwork source... | 07:58 |
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| mhb | why does "File Sharing" systemsettings configuration have a plug icon? | 08:35 |
| mhb | (when you select Sharing in systemsettings the icon is on top left, also appears when you select "Administrative mode") | 08:36 |
| fdoving | mhb: good question, i can not see the logic in having that icon. | 08:39 |
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| GNUro | Hi! | 09:52 |
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| yuriy | mhb: that icon also appears on shared directories and it took me a second to understand what it was | 10:50 |
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| nixternal | Comment: | 11:05 |
| nixternal | What about dapper users? Will KDE 3.5.6 ever be available for us, or will we have to do the perilous upgrade to Edgy from Dapper? | 11:05 |
| nixternal | that is from my blog concerning the 3.5.6 release | 11:05 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: how long would it take to put the source packages threw a dapper pbuilder? | 11:07 |
| nixternal | forever? | 11:08 |
| ryanakca | even though it might not be official... it's good enough for now... | 11:08 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: lol | 11:08 |
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| nixternal | what version of KDE is in Dapper btw? | 11:10 |
| nixternal | it has been a long time | 11:10 |
| nixternal | hiya jjesse_ | 11:10 |
| jjesse_ | hiya nixternal | 11:11 |
| nixternal | did you get my silly email about the book? | 11:11 |
| jjesse | yes i did haven't had a chance to look at it | 11:11 |
| jjesse | isn't dapper kde 3.5.5? | 11:11 |
| nixternal | I noticed whoever the one lady was making edits, made bogus edits | 11:11 |
| jjesse | dapper is 3.5.2 | 11:12 |
| nixternal | I have no idea, I haven't used Dapper since the Edgy repos opened :) | 11:12 |
| jjesse | yeah we had some editing problems | 11:12 |
| jjesse | i reverted back to dapper today on my laptop | 11:12 |
| jjesse | as edgy was crashing too much for me | 11:12 |
| nixternal | eww | 11:12 |
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| jjesse | and it hasn't crashed all day | 11:12 |
| nixternal | Edgy runs like a champ for me | 11:12 |
| nixternal | it will be hard for Feisty to replace it anytime soon | 11:12 |
| jjesse | my laptop would freeze randomly under edgy | 11:13 |
| jjesse | hasn't frozen yet today | 11:13 |
| nixternal | oh ya, I remember you telling me that | 11:13 |
| nixternal | I have to do a mass Kubuntu-docs job this weekend | 11:14 |
| nixternal | I need to get internet.xml and network.xml up to standard by Sunday at least | 11:14 |
| jjesse | yeah i need to start reviewing them again | 11:15 |
| jjesse | i'll be in training m-w so at night i'll be bored in a hotel room :) | 11:15 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:15 |
| nixternal | I am busy M-Thu with school all day long now | 11:15 |
| nixternal | 12 hours of school is nuts | 11:15 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: 12 hours? | 11:16 |
| yuriy | wow nixternal that's pretty crazy | 11:16 |
| nixternal | 12 hours a day between 2 campuses | 11:16 |
| yuriy | 5 si enough for me | 11:16 |
| ryanakca | wow... | 11:16 |
| nixternal | actually, Monday is only a 7 hour day I believe | 11:16 |
| nixternal | mind you, out of 12 hours, 2 are traveling | 11:16 |
| nixternal | I am getting as much free education as I can, and right now is the best time for me to do it, now that I am living back home, and not on the east coast anymore | 11:21 |
| ryanakca | ah | 11:21 |
| ryanakca | interesting :) | 11:21 |
| ryanakca | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/25/036227 BBC To Host Multi-OS Debate | 11:21 |
| ryanakca | tell BBC why linux is the best :) | 11:21 |
| yuriy | sponsored flamewar :) | 11:22 |
| ryanakca | yep :) | 11:24 |
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