[03:34] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[03:36] <Jucato> I think I need to distance myself from KDE...
[03:37] <crimsun> in what fashion?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:37] <Jucato> dunno... but don't you think it's bad when you start dreaming about KDE? O.o
[03:37] <crimsun> I dream about KDE, GNOME and Xfce all the time.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> er, no?
[03:38] <Jucato> lol
[03:38] <crimsun> as in very bad alsa-related dreams.
[03:38] <Jucato> ok, so I'm normal after all! lol
[03:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:02] <Hobbsee> what, a combination?
[04:03] <crimsun> wasn't that Red Hat 8 or something?
[04:17] <jdong> crimsun: redhat9... Bluecurve
[04:17] <jdong> poningru: ^^
[04:17] <poningru> rofl
[04:17] <jdong> they made almost identical looking themes for KDE/GNOME
[04:17] <jdong> so they look believably blended
[04:18] <jdong> only problem was starting from FC1
[04:18] <jdong> they revamped the GNOME Bluecurve theme
[04:18] <jdong> but didn't remember/bother to update KDE's
[04:18] <jdong> so from that point on Bluecurve went downhill :)
[04:18] <jdong> I still like the metatheme concept though
[04:19] <Hobbsee> jdong: heh
[04:25] <poningru> WHAT?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> the human ones
[04:26] <poningru> oh right
[04:26] <poningru> hehe I sometimes forget my icons arent the default
[04:26] <Hobbsee> that's my biggest hate - i prefer shiny, etc.
[04:26] <poningru> ...
[04:26] <Hobbsee> shiny, pretty.  not grey.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hence, i'm going to resist any gnome-looking icons :P
[04:26] <Jucato> Human icons are shiny :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, they're getting a bit better....
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ooh...shiny :)
[04:27] <poningru> but..but...
[04:27] <Jucato> hehe
[04:27] <poningru> you just thwapepd him
[04:27] <poningru> you cant do that
[04:27] <ajmitch> it's Hobbsee
[04:27] <Hobbsee> poningru: why cant i?  i've met him in person....
[04:27] <ajmitch> what do you expect?
[04:28] <poningru> rofl
[04:28] <ajmitch> hah
[04:28] <Jucato> heh
[04:28] <Hobbsee> hih?
[04:28] <poningru> hoh
[04:28] <ajmitch> no
[04:28] <Hobbsee> YES!
[04:28] <poningru> mo
[04:28] <poningru> gaaah
[04:28] <poningru> you broke the meme
[04:29] <ajmitch> sad people
[04:29] <Hobbsee> poningru: you *cant* - it's mine!
[04:29] <poningru> pssh I just did!!!
[04:30] <poningru> :p
[04:30] <poningru> brb
[04:30] <poningru> pushup time hooah
[04:33] <Hobbsee> poningru: you're deluded
[04:35] <poningru> blargh MY BRAAAAIIIN!!!!
[04:36] <poningru> 'obey Hobbsee'
[04:36] <poningru> 'obey Hobbsee'
[04:36] <poningru> 'obey Hobbsee'
[04:36] <poningru> 'obey Hobbsee'
[04:36] <poningru> 'obey Hobbsee'
[04:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:36] <ajmitch> how dull
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how can i reset my mouse into working, without restarting the X server?
[04:37] <poningru> ... guess she restarted X after all
[04:37] <poningru> Hobbsee: I sometimes fix mouse troubles by going to another tty and then coming back to 7
[04:38] <Hobbsee> poningru: yeah, that fixed the display, but not the mouse
[04:39] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: give the laptop to me
[04:39] <poningru> hmm weird
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: why, what will you do with it?  :P
[04:39] <poningru> no give it to me
[04:39] <ajmitch> keep it
[04:39] <poningru> I actually need it
[04:39] <ajmitch> silly question
[04:39] <poningru> alacloud.net if anyone wants to donate some old hardware
[04:40] <poningru> something that will take less than 10W
[04:51] <poningru> Hobbsee: we recently moved server to a different location can you test speed to aus? http://freeculture.org/random-100-megs
[04:51] <poningru> err wrong channel
[09:44] <Riddell> hmm, kdegames gone boom
[10:06] <Riddell> so... anyone dist-upgraded to the 3.5.6 in feisty?
[10:07] <stdin> yep
[10:09] <stdin> Riddell: it's in feisty/main now, isn't it ?
[10:15] <Mez> oh... didnt know we'd updated
[10:25] <Riddell> stdin: yes
[10:26] <stdin> so I had to download it twice, once from Riddell's reop, then again from the main one
[10:32] <Riddell> stdin: and do you now have the packages from the ubuntu archive?
[10:32] <Riddell> night Mez
[10:33] <Mez> morning Riddell (and sleepy byes)
[11:20] <stdin> Riddell: sorry, was away for a while. Yeah, they are from the ubuntu archive now
[11:23] <Riddell> stdin: does konsole still work?
[11:24] <stdin> Riddell: yep, seems to work fine
[11:28] <Riddell> great, thanks
[11:28] <stdin> you're welcome :)
[11:30] <Riddell> stdin: able to do another test?
[11:30] <Riddell> wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/konsole/kdebase_pty_test.cc
[11:30] <Riddell> make sure you have kdelibs-dev installed
[11:30] <Riddell> compile using the instructions at the top
[11:30] <Riddell> and run  ./a.out
[11:30] <stdin> I get a "ERROR 403: Forbidden."
[11:31] <Riddell> stdin: try now
[11:34] <stdin> Riddell: http://pastebin.ca/329039
[11:44] <Riddell> hum
[11:44] <Riddell> you sure you have the package from ubuntu and not still from kubuntu.org?  they have the same version number
[11:46] <stdin> yeah, just reinstalled to make sure
[11:46] <Riddell> ok, thanks, I'll look into it when I can get to a feisty machine
[11:48] <stdin> Riddell: huh, actually it compiled this time
[11:48] <Riddell> oh?  did you change any packages?
[11:48] <stdin> not that I could tell, just did a apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs-dev
[11:49] <Riddell> well, that would help
[11:49] <Riddell> does it run?
[11:49] <stdin> crashes right away
[11:49] <Riddell> mmm, nice
[11:50] <Riddell> try apt-get  --reinstall install kdelibs4c2a konsole
[11:52] <stdin> not it runs
[11:52] <stdin> *now
[11:53] <Riddell> oh, does anything appear on the konsole widget?
[11:54] <stdin> yeah, it prints "(child) hello world 2" then "bash: no job control in this shell" then a prompt
[11:54] <Riddell> perfect
[11:55] <Riddell> it's all coming together beautifully!
[11:55] <Riddell> thanks stdin
[11:55] <stdin> no problem :)
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey ! just to let you know, I'm preparing uploads for kdebase, kdelibs, kdemultimedia and kdenetwork
[12:05] <sebas> Riddell: Any idea which address of Mark I should subscribe to the supporting membership list?
[12:07] <Riddell> mark@ubuntu.com?
[12:07] <Tonio_> hi sebas ;)
[12:07] <sebas> Ok, thanks
[12:07] <Riddell> or mark@canonical.co
[12:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: shoudln't we provide the kwallet patch with edgy 3.5.6 packages ? this is a very annoying issue and the patch closes the bug
[12:09] <Tonio_> I just added the patch to feisty fyi
[12:10] <Riddell> mm, that one slipped my mind
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe, that cn happen
[12:17] <Riddell> hi Zerlinna
[12:19] <Zerlinna> hi Riddell
[12:19] <Tonio_> hey Zerlinna
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we define a date for the next meeting ?
[12:20] <Zerlinna> Riddell: have you heard anything of amu?
[12:20] <Zerlinna> hi Tonio_
[12:20] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon !
[12:23] <kwwii> hi Zerlinna
[12:23] <Zerlinna> hi kwwii :-)
[12:24] <Riddell> Zerlinna: not for a while
[12:24] <Riddell> Zerlinna: why?
[12:26] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I need to know if he's coming to CLT because Jan from CLT is awaiting our reply (booth staff etc.) by the 31st
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: how about the next meeting, shoudln't we define a date ?
[12:28] <Riddell> Zerlinna: does it matter?  so long as somebody turns up to run it?
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: yep, we should
[12:29] <Tonio_> wi not thursday in a week ?
[12:29] <Tonio_> 22 utc as always
[12:29] <Riddell> as long as it doesn't clash with an ubuntu dev team meeting
[12:30] <Tonio_> sure
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: it does ;)
[12:31] <Tonio_> let's find a new date
[12:31] <Tonio_> maybe in 2 week then
[12:31] <Tonio_> 02/06 22 utc, nothing then
[12:31] <Zerlinna> Riddell: well, it does, because amu is listed as one of the organisators (he registered and second booth and after merged it with ours)
[12:32] <kwwii> Zerlinna: have you sent amu an email asking about this?
[12:32] <kwwii> Zerlinna: if he doesn't reply feel free to take his name off that list
[12:33] <Zerlinna> kwwii: I sent a mail to the events-list
[12:33] <kwwii> Zerlinna: well, I would probably CC him on that, just in case, and if he doesn't respond take action
[12:34] <Zerlinna> kwwii: true.. I'll forward the mail to him
[12:35] <Tonio_> hey kwwii
[12:35] <Tonio_> hi rraphink !
[12:35] <Zerlinna> hi rraphink ;)
[12:41] <quique> Hi, will packages of KDE 3.5.6 be uploaded for Dapper ?
[12:42] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[12:43] <Riddell> hi Enola_Gay
[12:43] <Riddell> quique: no
[12:44] <quique> :-(
[12:44] <rraphink> hi Tonio_ we
[12:44] <rraphink> hi Zerlinna
[12:45] <Tonio_> rraphink: bah putain il tait temps !
[12:45] <quique> Time to learn how to use Konstruct, I guess...
[12:45] <Tonio_> rraphink: remarque t'es dans le midi maintenant c'est normal
[12:45] <Tonio_> le midi c'est la suite de la france un peu :)
[12:45] <rraphink> heh
[12:45] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:45] <rraphink> un pote utilise mon portable dans la journee
[12:45] <rraphink> pendant que je suis au boulot
[12:46] <rraphink> donc en general, rraphink c'est mon pote
[12:46] <rraphink> et moi c'est raphink
[12:46] <rraphink> ;)
[12:47] <Enola_Gay> hi Riddell, do you know if the gpg bug in Kopete 3.5.6 is fixed?
[12:47] <Riddell> quique: it's not hard to apt-get source the kde packages and run debuild to compile
[12:47] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: which bug is that?
[12:47] <Enola_Gay> similar to this one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/63221
[12:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63221 in kopete "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:47] <Enola_Gay> I have upgraded to 3.5.6 yesterday and everything seems to work fine except the encryption in Kopete so I have downgraded again.
[12:47] <quique> Riddell: Ok, thanks, I'll try that
[12:49] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: I wonder if that happens in feisty too
[12:52] <Tonio_> quique: apt-get source <> package && apt-get build-dep <package> && debuild
[12:52] <Tonio_> debuild <package>*.dsc
[12:52] <Tonio_> sorry :)
[12:53] <quique> First I should add the KDE 3.5.6 Edgy repository, right ?
[12:54] <quique> apt-get source <package> && apt-get build-dep <package> && debuild <package>*.dsc  , right?
[12:54] <Tonio_> yup
[12:54] <rraphink> or pbuilder
[12:54] <Tonio_> get the package first, then install everything required for the build, and debuild it
[12:54] <rraphink> ;)
[12:55] <Tonio_> quique: also, devscripts and build-essential packages might be required too
[12:55] <Tonio_> and that's it
[12:55] <quique> Thank you, Tonio_
[12:56] <Riddell> quique: only add the deb-src for the 3.5.6 edgy archive
[12:57] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: sorry, I have no Feisty, only Edgy
[12:57] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: And it isn't so easy to test encryption with a Live CD
[12:58] <Enola_Gay> Tonio_: quique afaik apt-src installs every needed dependencies
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm also preparing a new kds, nothing to add on your own ?
[12:59] <Tonio_> Enola_Gay:  yes gives about the same result, but it is not installed by default :)
[12:59] <Tonio_> I hope kdenetwork build will not fail this time
[12:59] <Tonio_> I had an issue with ksambaplugins lib last time I tried...
[01:00] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Is any gpg password gui installed in Feisty by default? Then it wouldn't be so hard to check it with live cd.
[01:00] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: nope
[01:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: nothing comes to mind
[01:01] <Enola_Gay> It would make sense but I could try it since Kopete has something like that. At least I could install software on live cd. bbl
[01:01] <Enola_Gay> cu
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: new kds on my own is to set defualt settings for the kopete contact list theme, as the patch allows that
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should look to a sru for knetworkmanager too
[01:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll take care of it next week
[01:34] <\sh> hmmm....
[01:34] <\sh> adept doesn't update new kde version...from the dialog where it says: new kde version available, please click next to update....
[01:35] <\sh> after that, adept just closes without any hint
[01:46] <Enola_Gay> re
[01:47] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: The Kopete GPG problem doesn't happen in Feisty.
[01:48] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Wow, wait, does Herd 2 uses Kopete 3.5.5 or 3.5.6
[01:48] <Tm_T> Enola_Gay: .5 because .6 was released later?
[01:48] <Enola_Gay> It have to be 3.5.5?! sorry
[01:48] <Tm_T> ;)
[01:48] <Enola_Gay> :)
[01:48] <Tm_T> But do upgrade and you get .6 eventually.
[01:49] <Enola_Gay> Tm_T: Of Course but I have only tested it with the live cd since I need a working Linux installation and my laptop isn't fast enough for an emulator.
[01:50] <Tm_T> Sure.
[02:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you integrate the patch for kopete baloons in kdelibs ?
[02:06] <Tonio_> I don't see it in the changelog
[02:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's in the upstream .orig
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah you did a sync ?
[02:07] <Tonio_> ho no just those 2 files, okay I understand :)
[02:07] <Tonio_> that's why you needed the patch for nzb files
[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, it's in the upstream release
[02:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: new edgy 3.5.6 langpacks are on kubuntu.org
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah the patch is there :)
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu_65_nzb_mimetype.diff
[02:08] <Tonio_> looks like it is not in your orig ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> but yes it is in official upstream release
[03:12] <Tonio__> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture8.png
[03:12] <Tonio__> Riddell: any opinion ?
[03:13] <Tonio__> the contact list theme needs to be updated to fit the default theme, but kopete looks better to me like this
[03:13] <Tonio__> Riddell: although, that new discuss window theme has one advantage : it doesn't but on images, while the default kopete style does
[03:17] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'd like to give a test, especially since the default kopete theme bugs when you post a smiley on the first post of a series
[03:17] <Tonio__> image isn't displayed
[03:18] <Riddell> Tonio__: have you spoken to any kopete developers about this?
[03:19] <Tm_T> Tonio__: ?
[03:19] <Tm_T> Tonio__: How I can reproduce that?
[03:19] <Jucato> nice theme :)
[03:19] <Tonio__> Riddell: nope, but the guy that did the patch told that he was contacted by kopete to implement this in kde4
[03:19] <Tonio__> lemme find you the link
[03:19] <Jucato> Tm_T: what? you don't know? :O
[03:19] <Tonio__> Tm_T: to reproduce that you need patches
[03:20] <Tm_T> Tonio__: I see, it's patch related.
[03:20] <Tonio__> Riddell: well the discussion window theme is just a "normal" theme
[03:20] <Tm_T> Jucato: Know what?
[03:20] <Jucato> Tm_T: nothing :)
[03:20] <Tonio__> the the fact that the contact list is themeable results from a patch
[03:20] <Tm_T> ...true.
[03:20] <Tm_T> Tonio__: Yup, well, maybe I try that.
[03:20] <Tm_T> I did refuse to try it earlier. ;)
[03:20] <Tonio__> Riddell: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=49765
[03:21] <Tonio__> that's what he annouced
[03:21] <Tonio__> I found another topic on google saying kopete was interested in his patch
[03:21] <Tonio__> but I can't find the link....
[03:22] <Tonio__> Riddell: I already uploaded the patch for kdenetwork, you told me last time you were okay to test this in feisty ;)
[03:22] <Riddell> oh aye
[03:22] <Riddell> sure go ahead
[03:22] <Tm_T> Tonio__: I'll look mailinglist. ;)
[03:22] <Riddell> is kopete in feisty from kdenetwork now?
[03:22] <Tonio__> Riddell: okay, I'll fix the contact list theme to fit that new one today and I will upload kds toonight
[03:22] <Tonio__> Riddell: yes
[03:23] <Tonio__> Riddell: the reason for the default theme change is not artwork, but that the default bugs
[03:23] <Tonio__> concerning the look, I'll ask kwwii's opinion of course :)
[03:24] <Tonio__> Riddell: concerning the kwallet patch and edgy, we may wait a bit
[03:24] <kwwii> Tonio__: which theme are you talking about?
[03:24] <Tonio__> there is a critical bug in 3.5.6 and kmail, so I found suggest to wait for a fix publish the 2 patches, do you agree on the approach
[03:24] <Tonio__> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture8.png
[03:25] <Tonio__> kwwii: this one, reguarding the "discussion window", not the contact list
[03:25] <Tonio__> kwwii: kopete's default is nice bug bugs sometimes, this one doesn't bug and looks nicer to me
[03:26] <Tonio__> kwwii: so I'd like to upload it via kds and wait for people's feedback
[03:26] <kwwii> Tonio__: looks good to me
[03:26] <kwwii> especially if it is less buggy
[03:26] <Tonio__> Riddell: the critical bug I'm talking about is http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660
[03:26] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,New] 
[03:26] <Tonio__> looses all mails when crashing
[03:26] <Tonio__> and is tagged as "grave"
[03:27] <Jucato> if you don't lose the mail, it gets duplicated
[03:27] <Tonio__> Jucato: yes too
[03:27] <kwwii> hehe, that is one I don't want to test
[03:27] <Jucato> hehe I tested it. luckily no deleted mails :)
[03:27] <Tonio__> Riddell: I'll wait for a fix, and then maybe we can prepare new edgy packages including kwallet and that patch
[03:27] <Jucato> (of course I didn't test it on Kubuntu's KDE... guilty feeling...)
[03:27] <Tonio__> since the bug is propably on the same package (kdelibs)
[03:28] <Tonio__> Jucato: confirmed to me on #kubuntu-fr
[03:28] <Tonio__> edgy and 3.5.6
[03:28] <Jucato> yeah, the bug reporter was on #kde. confirmed on Mandriva, using KDE SVN by annma... lots of confirmations :)
[03:28] <Tonio__> I'll post the patch on feisty, no problem on that point, but the issue is 3.5.6 on edgy since that's up to Riddell only ;)
[03:29] <Tonio__> Jucato: well now it's "grave" we can be sur to have a patch in a few days
[03:30] <Jucato> yeah... it wasn't grave a few minutes ago while we were having fun seeing duplicated mails :D
[03:31] <Tonio__> how can they release kmail regularly with such big issues ?
[03:31] <Tonio__> they only test imap, that probably the reason
[03:31] <Tonio__> it is not the first time kmail is released with pop3 completly broken
[03:31] <Tonio__> while imap support always work like a charm
[03:34] <Jucato> I guess very few people use Ctrl+J...
[03:36] <Tonio__> Jucato: also fails with right click "apply rules"
[03:36] <Tonio__> the shortucut isn't the issue, the scan is
[03:36] <Jucato> aah
[03:42] <Tonio_> aller hop, on change le theme par defaut de kopete dans feisty !
[03:42] <Tonio_> ca va dchirer !
[03:42] <Tonio_> oups bad channel sorry
[03:43] <Jucato> lol
[03:43] <Jucato> :D
[04:34] <Tm_T> Hmm, have you gu(/a)ys seen this? http://gaybuntu.com/
[04:36] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <apokryphos> yeah, at least it's not a fork
[04:36] <apokryphos> like with christianubuntu (and the satanicubuntu parady)
[04:38] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Oh my... I hope I can easily unpatch my Kopete, this looks too bad.
[04:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: the theme is a matter of configuration
[04:38] <Tm_T> Or, I just heavily modify or hmm hmm.
[04:38] <Tonio_> you can switch back to standard very easilly
[04:39] <Tm_T> Tonio_: But all images are _tiny_ compared my hacks...
[04:39] <Tonio_> the patch just adds more possibilities, but doesn't replace anything
[04:39] <Tm_T> Oh it does.
[04:39] <Tm_T> Atleast here, a lot.
[04:39] <Tonio_> Tm_T: yes, but no visual change as long as you don't configure anything
[04:40] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I know, but I already had modifications in code and this sort of "undo" it all.
[04:40] <Tm_T> Oh why I didn't take backup... ;)
[04:40] <Riddell> _Sime, or anyone: where is the thing that we add to set the X DPI?
[04:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: in guidance
[04:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, but which file_
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just saw kde now allows to do that nativelly right ? we may do that in kds then no ?
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me search....
[04:41] <jdong> /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[04:41] <jdong> 40-guidance-displayrestore
[04:41] <jdong> 40guidance-displayconfig_restore rather
[04:41] <Tonio_> jdong: well done
[04:42] <jdong> Tonio_: hehe, remember it distinctly from investigating the DPMS stuff :)
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: since I'm preparing a kds would you like that I activate the 96 dpi in it ?
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: then you just have to patch guidance
[04:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload toonight probably
[04:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep that's the one /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore
[04:43] <Tonio_> very cool that ked now does that nativelly
[04:43] <jdong> cool indeed
[04:43] <jdong> but wasn't GNOME doing that since like 2.8?
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[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe the settings will also apply to kdm, that would be cool
[04:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw I added to my todo list to do that in kds
[04:49] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Anyway, I'll play around with this, atleast resize pics & icons and colourise this to match Oxygen palette. :)
[04:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: activate dpi where?
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: in kss, where you can manage the fonts settings
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: you can now fix the dpi from there ;)
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: the the guidance workarround can be removed
[04:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: but it's just a fixed DPI?
[04:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, isn't that what guidance does ?
[04:54] <Tonio_> fixes dpi to 96
[04:55] <Riddell> well, guidance does it a bit more clever
[04:55] <Tonio_> ah ? okay I won't touch that then
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the difference ?
[04:55] <Riddell> I think we should talk to _Sime first before changing it
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure ;)
[04:55] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture9.png
[04:55] <Riddell> the guidance script sets it to 96 or 120 or if you have a stupidly high DPI then just leaves it alone
[04:56] <Tonio_> but the fact is that it is in kde now, which is good :)
[04:56] <Riddell> yep
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay
[04:56] <Tonio_> it deals with cases in fact...
[04:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is is guidance overwriting the kde thing ?
[04:57] <Tonio_> because now it is in kde, maybe people would like to adjust the fonts in there
[04:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably not, but it depends on when in the X startup cycle it sets the DPI
[04:57] <Tonio_> and we may encounter but reports if it doesn't work
[04:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as you said, _Sime is the man for this so me may ask him first ;)
[04:57] <Tonio_> he'll know what about
[04:58] <Tonio_> 's/but reports/bug reports'
[04:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: Okay I'll wait and ask him :)
[04:58] <Lure> Tonio_: guidanance does 96, 120 or 140+
[04:58] <Tonio_> Lure: the default values can be added in kde very easilly
[04:58] <Lure> this ensures that fonts always look sane
[04:58] <Tonio_> but it depends on what we want
[04:58] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but not for good default
[04:59] <Tonio_> if guidance overrides kde settings, that can be an issue is guidance doesn't set that properly
[04:59] <Tonio_> that's my point
[04:59] <Lure> for out of box, guidance is still good - if they want manual, they can yuse the kde setting
[04:59] <Lure> would need to test that order is right
[04:59] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, if the guidance doesn't override the settings, I'm perfectly okay with you, then we have to keep the guidance thing
[05:00] <Tonio_> but that neess to be tested :)
[05:00] <Tonio_> Lure: what if you change the dpi in kde ?
[05:00] <Tonio_> does it work ?
[05:00] <Tonio_> as long as it works, there is no reason to remove guidance
[05:01] <Lure> Tonio_: does not look to have any effect... :-( Maybe I would need to logout/login...
[05:01] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe....
[05:01] <Lure> Will set it now and repprt back
[05:01] <Tonio_> or maybe guidance overrites the thing :)
[05:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: easy for you to test..
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah but I'm just cleaning teh appartment :) I'm not in front of the computer since my gf will be back in a moment
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I will of course :)
[05:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: you hoover, get the girlfriend to test
[05:14] <Tonio_> haha ;)
[05:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/Kopete-contactlist-themed-02.png
[05:23] <Tm_T> Tonio_: Only resized it a bit, recolouring etc will make it look good I think. :)
[05:24] <\sh> Tm_T: what about the KLean one ?
[05:24] <apokryphos> ah, forgot to try that. Remember seeing it on k-look
[05:24] <\sh> Tm_T: the avatar pictures are on the right side, and it's a nice looking one...for me
[05:25] <Tm_T> Hmm, I'll play around, we'll see...
[05:26] <\sh> Tm_T: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=36477
[05:26] <\sh> KOne....not klean ;)
[05:27] <Tm_T> \sh: Yes, that's chat style, and I'm playing around with contactlist. ;)
[05:29] <\sh> Tm_T: oh yeah...*stupid* btw..how small can you resize get the avatar pictures in the contact lists...I don't like those big ones ..
[05:30] <Tm_T> \sh: 16x I think is the smallest size, this BIG one is all my own hack just for fun, default I think is 48x
[05:30] <\sh> btw...did we include the new beryl and composite managers for kde?
[05:30] <Tm_T> \sh: But this "themeing in contactlist" has "forced" size to 30x so I did remove that limit.
[05:32] <Tonio_> okay Riddell I'm testing the dpi thing
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: but the desc of the setting should say "need to reload kde"
[05:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing to change then
[06:20] <Jucato> wow :)
[06:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[06:26] <Lure> Tonio_: fonts dpi works ok with manual switch (after reboot)
[06:26] <Lure> even after reboot/login
[06:27] <Tonio_> Lure: yup I just tested, so no need to change anything, that's cool :)
[06:27] <Lure> yep
[06:42] <nixternal_> oi!
[07:11] <nixternal> question: are they any plans in the future to add a restart option after doing system upgrades that may require a restart (i.e., like GNOME does)
[07:11] <nixternal> s/they/there/
[07:22] <nixternal> is KNetworkManager installed by default now? I can't remember if I installed it or not on my Feisty test box
[07:25] <fdoving> nixternal: kubuntu-desktop depends on it, iirc.
[07:27] <nixternal> OK, so it is something new then. I was wondering why it was on my desktop all of a sudden
[07:28] <fdoving> yeah. it doesn't work well with my wireless card, so i need to remove it and install kwlan.
[07:34] <ryanakca|school> nixternal: hmm... I dunno... what would that restart applet have to be coded in? C++? Python?
[07:35] <\sh> there is a problem with with the mixer applet which is started during loggin into the session
[07:36] <\sh> it's not getting the change of sounddevice... amarok is right now intelligent enough to reload the alsa configuration
[07:36] <\sh> you have to shutdown the applet, and readd kmix from "add to applet to panel"
[07:40] <Riddell> which change of sound device?
[07:41] <\sh> asoundconf set-default-card <Cardname>
[07:41] <\sh> e.g. switching from main device (ICH6) to my usb headset
[07:41] <\sh> amarok right now is doing it correctly and reloads alsa configuration
[07:42] <\sh> (even the local ones, which are included from global alsa.conf)
[07:46] <Riddell> I doubt that kmix has ever succeeded in that
[07:48] <\sh> the mixer applet what you can add to the panel is able to catch new devices..and you can set it to your device of your choice
[07:58] <\sh> Riddell: I just send to jriddell@ubuntu.com the kppp nozomi devices diff against latest kdenetwork source...
[08:35] <mhb> why does "File Sharing" systemsettings configuration have a plug icon?
[08:36] <mhb> (when you select Sharing in systemsettings the icon is on top left, also appears when you select "Administrative mode")
[08:39] <fdoving> mhb: good question, i can not see the logic in having that icon.
[09:52] <GNUro> Hi!
[10:50] <yuriy> mhb: that icon also appears on shared directories and it took me a second to understand what it was
[11:05] <nixternal> Comment:
[11:05] <nixternal> What about dapper users? Will KDE 3.5.6 ever be available for us, or will we have to do the perilous upgrade to Edgy from Dapper?
[11:05] <nixternal> that is from my blog concerning the 3.5.6 release
[11:07] <ryanakca> nixternal: how long would it take to put the source packages threw a dapper pbuilder?
[11:08] <nixternal> forever?
[11:08] <ryanakca> even though it might not be official... it's good enough for now...
[11:08] <ryanakca> nixternal: lol
[11:10] <nixternal> what version of KDE is in Dapper btw?
[11:10] <nixternal> it has been a long time
[11:10] <nixternal> hiya jjesse_
[11:11] <jjesse_> hiya nixternal
[11:11] <nixternal> did you get my silly email about the book?
[11:11] <jjesse> yes i did haven't had a chance to look at it
[11:11] <jjesse> isn't dapper kde 3.5.5?
[11:11] <nixternal> I noticed whoever the one lady was making edits, made bogus edits
[11:12] <jjesse> dapper is 3.5.2
[11:12] <nixternal> I have no idea, I haven't used Dapper since the Edgy repos opened :)
[11:12] <jjesse> yeah we had some editing problems
[11:12] <jjesse> i reverted back to dapper today on my laptop
[11:12] <jjesse> as edgy was crashing too much for me
[11:12] <nixternal> eww
[11:12] <jjesse> and it hasn't crashed all day
[11:12] <nixternal> Edgy runs like a champ for me
[11:12] <nixternal> it will be hard for Feisty to replace it anytime soon
[11:13] <jjesse> my laptop would freeze randomly under edgy
[11:13] <jjesse> hasn't frozen yet today
[11:13] <nixternal> oh ya, I remember you telling me that
[11:14] <nixternal> I have to do a mass Kubuntu-docs job this weekend
[11:14] <nixternal> I need to get internet.xml and network.xml up to standard by Sunday at least
[11:15] <jjesse> yeah i need to start reviewing them again
[11:15] <jjesse> i'll be in training m-w so at night i'll be bored in a hotel room :)
[11:15] <nixternal> hehe
[11:15] <nixternal> I am busy M-Thu with school all day long now
[11:15] <nixternal> 12 hours of school is nuts
[11:16] <ryanakca> nixternal: 12 hours?
[11:16] <yuriy> wow nixternal that's pretty crazy
[11:16] <nixternal> 12 hours a day between 2 campuses
[11:16] <yuriy> 5 si enough for me
[11:16] <ryanakca> wow...
[11:16] <nixternal> actually, Monday is only a 7 hour day I believe
[11:16] <nixternal> mind you, out of 12 hours, 2 are traveling
[11:21] <nixternal> I am getting as much free education as I can, and right now is the best time for me to do it, now that I am living back home, and not on the east coast anymore
[11:21] <ryanakca> ah
[11:21] <ryanakca> interesting :)
[11:21] <ryanakca> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/25/036227       BBC To Host Multi-OS Debate
[11:21] <ryanakca> tell BBC why linux is the best :)
[11:22] <yuriy> sponsored flamewar :)
[11:24] <ryanakca> yep :)