[12:15] <chovy> still am not finding lame
[12:15] <chovy> toolame, but that isn't LAME
[12:15] <skirk> I think to copy my files via ssh from PC to noteboko
[12:15] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: so, the problem is with the sound system and not with sound card (detection) ...
[12:15] <Jucato> chovy: did you enable the *correct* multiverse repository?
[12:15] <skirk> If we can see it...
[12:15] <magnus_> yeah
[12:16] <chovy> Jucato: i enabled all of 'em
[12:16] <kubuntu_noob> right
[12:16] <Jucato> chovy: no, you have to *add* multiverse. it's not there by default
[12:16] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: start the control center and check if the sound system is turned on
[12:16] <devilsadvocate> skirk, why are you not able to boot into the live cd?
[12:16] <kubuntu_noob> it is
[12:16] <chovy> how do i add it?
[12:16] <skirk> I have insert CD in broke CDROM :D
[12:16] <skirk> lol
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> skirk, boot into windows then
[12:17] <skirk> wait
[12:17] <skirk> 2sec
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> google for explore2fs
[12:17] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: and what output device is being used in the devices/equipment tab?
[12:17] <skirk> ok im on LIVECD
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> use that to extract your data
[12:17] <skirk> I open Terminal?
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> skirk, good
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> yes
[12:17] <skirk> ok
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> open a terminal
[12:18] <devilsadvocate> type sudo fdisk -l
[12:18] <devilsadvocate> what do you see?
[12:18] <ferreteria_> hi
[12:18] <ferreteria_> i have a problem
[12:18] <ferreteria_> with mysql
[12:18] <ferreteria_> can anybody help me?
[12:18] <dima2001> ferreteria_: don't ask to ask, just ask
[12:18] <ferreteria_> :p
[12:19] <LTSmash> ok
[12:19] <kubuntu_noob> advanced linux sound arch.
[12:19] <devilsadvocate> skirk, how much ram do you have?
[12:19] <LTSmash> i have a propblem
[12:19] <distro-tester> devil this is the card i run are there linux drivers for it yet  http://uk.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=7900GS?
[12:19] <chovy> welp, i don't get it.
[12:19] <chovy> i added "multiverse" next to each repo, and still not seeing "lame"
[12:19] <dima2001> hmm, funky
[12:19] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~$ sudo /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root estrella xD -p
[12:19] <LTSmash> Enter password:
[12:19] <LTSmash> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:19] <LTSmash> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
[12:19] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~$
[12:19] <devilsadvocate> distro-tester, NO ideA
[12:20] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: don't you have by luck a dual-boot to windows and it is a laptop?
[12:20] <LTSmash> :p
[12:20] <devilsadvocate> LTSmash, you put in the wrong password
[12:20] <kubuntu_noob> it is a laptop but only sinlge boot
[12:20] <sparr_> I have a number of hard drives that may or may not be defective.  [How]  Can I check them thoroughly from a boot disc prior to installing linux?
[12:20] <LTSmash> the wrong password?
[12:20] <distro-tester> can u check devil ?
[12:20] <skirk> ok I see all my partition
[12:20] <devilsadvocate> skirk, how many?
[12:21] <skirk> 5
[12:21] <dima2001> hmm, then the weirdness with muting soundcards in windows and being unable to unmute it under linux falls away
[12:21] <LTSmash> devil
[12:21] <skirk> 5 partition
[12:21] <LTSmash> devil but i want to make a new pass
[12:21] <LTSmash> because i put the wrong one
[12:21] <LTSmash> and i dont know it
[12:21] <LTSmash> :p
[12:21] <devilsadvocate> LTSmash,  i dont use mysql much, i dont know
[12:21] <chovy> sound isn't working on my system.
[12:21] <skirk> asd
[12:22] <kubuntu_noob> it's quite strange
[12:22] <LTSmash> devil, juar
[12:22] <devilsadvocate> skirk, which of those is ext2 or ext3?
[12:22] <devilsadvocate> LTSmash, juar?
[12:22] <LTSmash> anyone that knows about mysql?
[12:22] <LTSmash> juar
[12:22] <LTSmash> its like ouch!
[12:23] <sparr_> i have my new hardware, ready to shut down and put together my new PC.  time to make the most important decision: debian or kubuntu...
[12:23] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: although kmix is just an alsa frontend, maybe we missed something. start it and look what the mixer shows. I know of no other issue but just muted channels :/
[12:23] <skirk> I dont know
[12:24] <soulrider> sparr_: ubuntu IS debian
[12:24] <skirk> I think so /dev/hda7
[12:24] <soulrider> just more configured for the not so expert users
[12:24] <skirk> is ext3
[12:24] <devilsadvocate> skirk, which of them say Linux?
[12:24] <devilsadvocate> look at the output carefully
[12:24] <skirk> /dev/hda7
[12:24] <jk_> dima2001 1 sec
[12:24] <skirk> /dev/hda6
[12:24] <devilsadvocate> both of them?
[12:24] <skirk> /dev/hdb5
[12:24] <dima2001> jk_: already woken up? :)
[12:25] <skirk> stop
[12:25] <kubuntu_noob> what is IEC958?
[12:25] <devilsadvocate> skirk, 3 partitions which are Linux?
[12:25] <skirk> /dev/hda7 ext3
[12:25] <devilsadvocate> skirk, now which of those are swap?
[12:25] <skirk> /dev/hda6 swap
[12:25] <skirk> /dev/hdb5 boot
[12:25] <dima2001> some kind of weird AC97 channel, I have it at 0%, too
[12:26] <devilsadvocate> skirk, good
[12:26] <devilsadvocate> now,
[12:26] <skirk> ;)
[12:26] <LTSmash> mmm
[12:26] <devilsadvocate> sudo mkdir /media/ubuntu
[12:26] <LTSmash> do you think taht if i reinstall mysql i may give it a new password?
[12:27] <sparr_> soulrider: im well aware of that distinction.  doesnt make the choice any different.
[12:27] <devilsadvocate> sudo mount /dev/hdb5 /media/ubuntu
[12:27] <skirk> ok
[12:27] <sparr_> soulrider: ive used debian for years.  ive tried kubuntu recently and love it because of the excellent out-of-the-box integration
[12:27] <skirk> perfect
[12:27] <skirk> now?
[12:27] <soulrider> sparr_: are you experienced with linux ?
[12:27] <devilsadvocate> cd /media/ubuntu/grub
[12:27] <soulrider> yeah sparr_
[12:27] <soulrider> well
[12:27] <soulrider> id sy
[12:27] <soulrider> say*
[12:27] <devilsadvocate> still with me?
[12:28] <soulrider> if youre comfortable with debian go for it, but if you dont have time or he patience to configure your system all by hand, i say go for kubuntu
[12:28] <skirk> permission denied
[12:28] <skirk> :/
[12:28] <devilsadvocate> skirk, then use sudo
[12:28] <LTSmash> so debian isnt easy to configure?
[12:28] <devilsadvocate> sudo cd /media/ubuntu/grub
[12:28] <dima2001> kubuntu_noob: hmm, I have to admit, that unfortunately I know of no other hint for you right now. I'm sure it is an issue with alsa, but what it is, I cannot say you right now :/
[12:28] <skirk> sudo: cd: command not found....
[12:29] <skirk> lol
[12:29] <kubuntu_noob> no problem thanks for your help though!
[12:29] <devilsadvocate> cd /media
[12:29] <Linux_Galore> kde 3.5.6 is released, wonder if we will see it on the kubuntu repo soon
[12:29] <dima2001> :)
[12:29] <soulrider> LTSmash: debian is more expert oriented, or i think id say, ubuntu is more newbie oriented
[12:29] <devilsadvocate> cd ubuntu
[12:29] <devilsadvocate> and then ls
[12:29] <skirk> permission denied
[12:29] <soulrider> Linux_Galore: im already running it, i think there is a latest-kde-version repo
[12:29] <LTSmash> well then ill keep my kubuntu
[12:30] <skirk> ok devilsadvocate
[12:30] <Linux_Galore> soulrider: aah so if you have the "latest kde"  repo set up it should update. let me look
[12:30] <skirk> loool
[12:30] <skirk> this partition
[12:30] <skirk> is of WINDOWS :DDDD
[12:30] <skirk> dho!
[12:30] <skirk> my Share HD...
[12:30] <soulrider> yes Linux_Galorei think thats what i have
[12:30] <skirk> X_X
[12:30] <devilsadvocate> you said it was boot didt you?
[12:31] <soulrider> eww, windows
[12:31] <devilsadvocate> skirk, do you have a separate boot partition?
[12:31] <devilsadvocate> for grub?
[12:31] <skirk> wait
[12:31] <sparr_> soulrider: ive been using debian for 2 years solid, off and on before that.  and ive never been able to get it to do some things that kubuntu does automagically, like automount my flash storage devices (and pop up the query window in kde)
[12:32] <jorge_> que onda
[12:32] <jorge_> im mexican
[12:32] <dima2001> good night, #kubuntu
[12:32] <jorge_> i use kubuntu
[12:32] <jion> buenas
[12:32] <jorge_> habemos mexicanos aqui?
[12:32] <jion> Argentino yo.
[12:32] <jorge_> mucho gusto
[12:32] <LTSmash> se
[12:32] <LTSmash> yo soy mexicano
[12:32] <jion> igualmente.
[12:32] <soulrider> hola muchachos, pero acuerdense,
[12:32] <soulrider> !es
[12:32] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:32] <LTSmash> mmm
[12:33] <soulrider> sparr_: i say go for kubuntu then
[12:33] <LTSmash> interesting
[12:33] <jion> Ok, sorry.
[12:33] <jorge_> sorry
[12:33] <skirk> devilsadvocate, ok I have mount right partition
[12:33] <skirk> now im on /grub
[12:33] <skirk> :D
[12:33] <jorge_> in english
[12:33] <jorge_> hehe
[12:33] <johey> Is there some nice way to install Kubuntu on a bootable USB stick?
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> skirk, sudo nano menu.lst
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> wait
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> sudo fdisk -l
[12:34] <pgdown> anyone know how to make audacity not so ugly?
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> make sure you know the partition that has your ubuntu install
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> /dev/hd**
[12:34] <devilsadvocate> then do nano
[12:35] <skirk> /dev/hda7
[12:35] <skirk> ok
[12:35] <skirk> nano
[12:35] <skirk> then?
[12:35] <devilsadvocate> not just nano
[12:35] <devilsadvocate> nano menu.lst
[12:35] <skirk> yes
[12:35] <skirk> :D
[12:35] <devilsadvocate> ok
[12:35] <skirk> im in
[12:35] <devilsadvocate> scroll down to your ubuntu entry
[12:35] <skirk> :P
[12:35] <skirk> ok
[12:36] <devilsadvocate> and find the line we edited earlier
[12:36] <devilsadvocate> what does it say ?
[12:36] <surgy> hello
[12:36] <devilsadvocate> tell me the root = ****** and kernel = ******
[12:36] <skirk> root=/dev/hdc7
[12:36] <skirk> 2.6.17-10
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> change the root to /dev/hda7
[12:37] <skirk> ok
[12:37] <skirk> save
[12:37] <skirk> and reboot?
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> yes
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> and cross your fingers
[12:37] <skirk> perfect ^^
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> :)
[12:37] <skirk> asd
[12:37] <skirk> :D
[12:37] <frojnd> whats the name of openoffice chan
[12:37] <devilsadvocate> asd?
[12:37] <frojnd> and no its not openoffice
[12:37] <skirk> asd = buahahuahuahuauhahuahuahuahuauhauhahuauhahahu
[12:37] <skirk> ^^
[12:37] <skirk> Italian Expression :P
[12:38] <skirk> im italian
[12:38] <skirk> :D
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> YAY! 153mb of updates
[12:38] <Linux_Galore> :-P
[12:39] <monte48lowes> hello...has anyone had any issues upgrading recently?
[12:39] <surgy> i have a rather legthy project that i want to try that is probably way to complex for my little noob mind. but the basic out line is as follows: i want to figure out what resources are needed by everquest running through cedega and then i want to only load those resources on boot and not startx and then i want it to start everquest, so that everquest as 100% usage of all my resources with no background apps running. also it
[12:39] <surgy> whould be nice if in the "log out" prompt if there was an option to log out and back into everquest mode. is this possible? i think it is, if so could someone point me at the first step?
[12:39] <surgy> sorry for flooding
[12:39] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: usually if you have update problems its connected to a third part repo
[12:39] <monte48lowes> ok...
[12:40] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: just disable the third party repo's if you have any, it "may" fix it
[12:40] <surgy> monte48lowes: nah i updated this morning no problem at all
[12:40] <monte48lowes> ok. thanks
[12:40] <monte48lowes> x-server crashes frequently, just curious if anyone else is having a similar issues
[12:41] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: do you have beryl ?
[12:42] <skirk> mmm
[12:42] <skirk> devilsadvocate, can I offer you a beer? :D
[12:42] <skirk> lol
[12:42] <devilsadvocate> you tell me
[12:42] <monte48lowes> yes
[12:42] <skirk> Work FIne
[12:42] <skirk> the problem is fix
[12:42] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: welcome to the realoty of running beta software
[12:42] <devilsadvocate> great
[12:43] <skirk> :D
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> reality*
[12:43] <monte48lowes> I did have it installed, it was one of the packages that was upgraded.
[12:43] <surgy> devilsadvocate : can we strike a deal? ill give you a bum's soul if you make my conscious mind linked with my kubuntu.....
[12:43] <skirk> now i must go in bathroom or i make a disaster!!!
[12:43] <monte48lowes> I have removed it for now, just to check if that was the issue
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: beryl is still work on progress and crashes are to be expected
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> in*
[12:43] <devilsadvocate> surgy, no idea what you mean
[12:43] <surgy> lol never mind then
[12:44] <monte48lowes> I understand that...it was working great last night before I did the upgrade
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: yeah but you still have the cvs version of xorg
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: the cvs version of xorg breaks your dependencies
[12:44] <monte48lowes> 1:1.1.1-0ubuntu12.1
[12:45] <monte48lowes> 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2
[12:45] <monte48lowes> sorry, there 7.1.1...is that CVS?
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: look at the gl  stuff
[12:47] <monte48lowes> ok
[12:48] <elyon225> Okay, guys... I just bought an nVidia GeForce 6200.  I have a Radeon installed now.  I just wanted to know if there's anything I should do before switching them... will the drivers be installed automatically when I reboot?
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> monte48lowes: you may have to run  sudo  dpkg  --configure -a  to fix the package system
[12:49] <monte48lowes> thanks
[12:50] <dante> Hey, I'm French so sorry for my english. Anyone could give me a source.list update for kubuntu 6.06 because I had done really shit on the mine
[12:50] <Phlosten> elyon225: I'd change your driver to the generic vesa one and then change to the nv driver once you have rebooted
[12:50] <elyon225> Phlosten: How do I do that?
[12:51] <Phlosten> elyon225: are you familiar with the xorg.conf file?
[12:52] <elyon225> Phlosten: Fairly... I've edited it a lot trying to get my ATi card working :)
[12:53] <Phlosten> elyon225: just change 'Driver "whatever" ' to 'Driver "vesa" ' and save it
[12:53] <Phlosten> elyon225: have you got beryl or other 3d stuff going?
[12:55] <[1] Dani> does anybody know a driver for dell wireless 1450 dual band WLAN mini pci cardf for kubuntu
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> whats the command to force the install of cached packages, I always forget this one
[12:57] <gnomefreak> Linux_Galore: what is the error?
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> kdm wont go in
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> I actually know why but it wont effect kdm
[12:58] <dope> my mute key doesn't do anything
[12:58] <dope> it says it's muting but i still hear sound
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> dope  use keytouch to set it up
[12:59] <dope> where's that
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> sudo apt-get install keytouch
[12:59] <gnomefreak> Linux_Galore: sudo dpkg --configure -a does it give you errors?
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: yeah, it spits the dummy on kdm
[01:00] <SkirK_NoteBooK> :D
[01:00] <SkirK_WorKSpace> :D
[01:00] <distro-tester> does fedora seem a right wing distro to u ?
[01:01] <distro-tester> i got this feeling they are a more individualist right wing distro vs ubuntu that's a socialist one
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: dont worry, fixed it, bloody weird deps
[01:01] <distro-tester> who has this view to about fedora?
[01:02] <distro-tester> i mean their comunity and rest
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> gnomefreak: had to get the gl stuff updated first
[01:02] <gnomefreak> distro-tester: please join 3kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic for that topic please. this is only a kubuntu support channel
[01:03] <distro-tester> ok
[01:04] <Linux_Galore> bugger, still got the qt3-mt-dev  breakage problem
[01:12] <eisenbergs> Hi, Where Can I find drivers that will support a nvidia52000 gfx? thanks in advanced
[01:14] <eisenbergs> uhh?
[01:14] <distro-tester> ALLAH O AK BAR
[01:15] <chovy> how do i get alsa to work? i have no sound.
[01:15] <distro-tester> check out if it's not muted
[01:15] <juano_> chovy: searched alsa in synaptic?
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> chovy: ok. doi you have "two" sound cards  ie on board and pci ?
[01:16] <chovy> no
[01:16] <Linux_Galore> chovy: try running alsamixer
[01:17] <chovy> Linux_Galore: what am i looking for?
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> chovy: muted channels
[01:19] <chovy> nothign is  muted
[01:19] <Linux_Galore> chovy: kmix will do a similar job
[01:19] <Linux_Galore> chovy: open amarok and play something
[01:20] <slyfox_> .
[01:20] <slyfox_> If someone can help me with making konqueror work with firefox. I may even uninstall my Windows .
[01:21] <elyon225> Okay, I installed the card and restarted... everything is  VERY  slow, graphically speaking.  Also, when trying to follow the info on installing nvidia drivers on the website, I can't run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" because it says I don't have the drivers installed (but I have already installed nvidia-glx)
[01:21] <slyfox_> I want to make open and open containing directory in firefox to be able to work
[01:21] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  ?? konqueror "is" a browser
[01:21] <distro-tester> i keep wanting to try to use fedora but 1 won't work whit my video card 2 don't get along whit comunity id say i give up
[01:22] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: Yes, you know how in Firefox once you downlaod a file it has 2 options: open and open containing directory. These do not work in Kubuntu !
[01:22] <distro-tester> btw linux Galore a user here was right that fedora comunity is made by very intollerant and arrogant people
[01:22] <chovy> it's playing but i don't hear anything.
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_ aaah thats not a problem with konqueror,   firefox is actually a gtk app to will default to the gnome file dialog
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> so*
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> chovy:  I think something isnt plugged in right
[01:23] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: so is there a possible fix ?
[01:23] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: what does gtk stand from ?
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  yeah someone made a gtk-kde  thing but you have to manually play with it
[01:24] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[01:24] <LjL> slyfox_: the GIMP ToolKit
[01:25] <elyon225> Okay, I my nvidia card and restarted... everything is  VERY  slow, graphically speaking.  Also, when trying to follow the info on installing nvidia drivers on the website, I can't run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" because it says I don't have the drivers installed (but I have already installed nvidia-glx)
[01:25] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: "manually play with it" I am scared of this. I am jsut a noob :-)
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  ok, quick lesson,  kde uses the QT tool kit to develop its desktop enviroment,  gnome uses GTK,  firefox also uses gtk so it will use "gtk" based apps for the file dialog stuff
[01:25] <animimotus> argh, it doesn't work my : tar -cvzf home.tar.gz  ~/.* /media/backupdisk
[01:26] <Minataku> GTK has a built-in file thingy
[01:26] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: ok,
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  it one of those annoying things you cant do anything about
[01:26] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: :-( How do you get around ?
[01:26] <eisenbergs> alright i need help installing this nvidia driver. it says to sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run  but it wont go...
[01:26] <Minataku> In short, blame GTK
[01:26] <animimotus> please, how can I only include all file and directory hided in my tar ?
[01:27] <Minataku> slyfox_: I hated the new Firefox file dialog at first
[01:27] <eisenbergs> any idea? * i'm totally new and just tryingto learn basica unix *
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  I use konqueror for file management and use firefox to only browse the web
[01:27] <Minataku> But once I realized I could set it up to shortcut saving things, I loved it
[01:27] <slyfox_> Linux_Galore: but you do downlaod files on occassion... no ?
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> slyfox_:  yes , I just save that to a default directory
[01:28] <Minataku> Sure, I have to open it up and look if I don't have a shortcut for it, but usually I'm either downloading things with shortcuts or I'm saving a lot of things to once place
[01:28] <Minataku> I assume you're talking about the GTK2 file selector
[01:28] <Minataku> It's not that bad, trust me
[01:28] <Minataku> You'll get used to it and grow to love it
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: its still crap compared to the kde option
[01:29] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: Well, GTK isn't all that great period
[01:29] <Minataku> Thankfully Firefox overcomes all that
[01:29] <Minataku> I barely know it's a GTK app because it's just so good
[01:29] <Minataku> lol
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: should do soemthing evil like port firefox to qt
[01:30] <Minataku> I know Gentoo has a USE flag to use the old Windows-style GTK1 file selector
[01:30] <slyfox> Minataku: overcomes all that which is what?
[01:30] <chovy> thanks Linux_Galore - i didn't have it plugged in :(
[01:30] <chovy> under my "Settings" menu, all i have is "system log" is that normal?
[01:30] <Minataku> slyfox: The fact that Firefox is the best damn browser ever makes the fact that it's GTK completely insigificant
[01:31] <slyfox> is GTK bad?
[01:31] <juano_> elyon225: you having trouble with nvidia?
[01:31] <eisenbergs> no thats me..
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: depends how you looks at it, the license on GTK totally goes against the grain for me
[01:31] <Minataku> slyfox: Nah, it's okay
[01:32] <juano_> eisenbergs: are you running it as root?
[01:32] <Minataku> GTK and QT both have their advantages and disadvantages
[01:32] <Linux_Galore> LGPL = weakens FOSS
[01:32] <mervteck> can anyone tell me how to make it so i can see all files, hidden or not
[01:32] <juano_> eisenbergs: sudo sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run
[01:32] <eisenbergs> juano: i tried putting itin root and it didn't go and then i tried running it from tempt folder andnothing
[01:32] <eisenbergs> Oo sudo
[01:32] <eisenbergs> let me try again
[01:32] <juano_> eisenbergs: ;-)
[01:32] <Minataku> Anyway, I gotta go tweak the SDLMAME 0.111u5 makefile then start up the compile
[01:33] <chovy> i can't play audio over a smb:// share from another linux box.
[01:33] <Aurvandill> What is a good "dock" program?
[01:33] <Aurvandill> kooldock?
[01:34] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Klicker
[01:34] <juano_> chovy: mm works for me, you should check your samba configuration
[01:34] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Kicker I mean
[01:34] <juano_> chovy: you should check the folder permissions in smb.conf
[01:34] <Linux_Galore> the gnome guys are always running around saying, look were so good because SuSE (Novell) and Red Hat are using Gnome as the default, they forget to mention the "real" reason is because GTK is LGPL so allows Red Hat and Novell to link "proprietry blobs" to their code were with QT you cant unless you pay for a license foir QT
[01:34] <Aurvandill> slyfox: Okay.
[01:34] <Minataku> There we go, all in progress
[01:35] <slyfox> juano_: where can I read more about permissions? such as fmask=777 ?
[01:35] <slyfox> Aurvandill: You already have it installed :-)
[01:35] <chovy> juano_: what am i looking for?
[01:35] <eisenbergs> juano:  whats the directory to do it from ur desktop?
[01:35] <juano_> eisenbergs: cd /home/myusername/Desktop/
[01:36] <eisenbergs> Juano: whats cd do?
[01:36] <juano_> chovy: you have to go to your /etc/samba/smb.conf in the linux box that has the shared folder, at then of this file you will see an entry for that folder, check the permissions for it
[01:37] <juano_> eisenbergs: it takes you into the specified dir
[01:37] <chovy> juano_: i can connect to it, i just can't play audio from it.
[01:37] <eisenbergs> k
[01:37] <juano_> eisenbergs: e.g:  cd  /home      takes you to /home/
[01:37] <chovy> write list : @users
[01:37] <chovy> security = user
[01:37] <juano_> chovy: yes, thats why you have to check the folder permissions
[01:37] <chovy> juano_: what perm?
[01:38] <juano_> chovy: you need to add a read only = no to the shared folder
[01:38] <Aurvandill> slyfox: yeah, I noticed the standard thingy is called Kicker :P
[01:38] <juano_> chovy: read only = no
[01:38] <Aurvandill> But in addition to that... isn't there something nice, OSX-style thing?
[01:38] <juano_> chovy: in /etc/samba/smb.conf  in the folder entry at the bottom of this file
[01:38] <slyfox> Aurvandill: I am anoob myself, Where did you see the name Kicker ?
[01:39] <chovy> juano_: i don't think that's it, same problem with fish:// as with smb://
[01:39] <chovy> no input plugin error in Amorak
[01:40] <Aurvandill> slyfox: Wikipedia
[01:40] <slyfox> Aurvandill: I have been searching for one myself 2 days ago and realized that "why would I need more crap, when kicker and katapult do a great job" Wich them you do not have to minimize to desktop all the time. Are you trying to impress your friends or soemthing with it ?
[01:40] <juano_> chovy: well its good to check for it , it wont hurt at all
[01:40] <chovy> juano_: perms are fine.
[01:41] <juano_> chovy: read only = no
[01:41] <juano_> writable = yes
[01:41] <Aurvandill> slyfox: nice, I just tried katapult now :D
[01:42] <Aurvandill> Wikipedia is nice to explain what stuff is :)
[01:42] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Alt+Space
[01:42] <chovy> juano_: yes.
[01:42] <Aurvandill> yeah, I know that now :)
[01:43] <beg1689> ok no one answered (not even a "nope")  in #xorg or #KDE so im asking here: Is there a way to enable vsnyc for the desktop?
[01:43] <juano_> chovy: i had this issue accessing my windows partition
[01:43] <slyfox> Aurvandill: I think I am ready to get rid of Windows. :-)
[01:43] <Oly> Juano:  Alright i'm in dire need to install this nvidia driver b/c on boot it just freezed and crashes. is it even the driver you think?
[01:44] <chovy> juano_: i'm on linux, accessing linux via smb and fish, and amorak gives an error about url protocal not supported.
[01:44] <juano_> chovy:  how about another player?
[01:44] <juano_> chovy: audacious, xmms, kaffeine ??
[01:44] <chovy> same with kaffeine, looks like xine needs an input plugin.
[01:45] <juano_> Oly:
[01:45] <elyon225> !java
[01:45] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:45] <Aurvandill> slyfox: Yeah, if it wasn't for da gamez
[01:45] <juano_> Oly: it sure can be, boot at a terminal , go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and in the video card section on Driver check to see if its in "nvidia" and not in "nv"
[01:46] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Ah come one, stop wasting time with them...
[01:46] <chovy> kaffeine worked with fish://
[01:46] <elyon225> Okay, I've tried installing that package (with all reps uncommented) and it says it doesn't exist... along with a bunch of other packages I used to be able to install.  What gives?
[01:46] <slyfox> Anyone knows That link to the very latest nvidia driver the 9x series ?
[01:46] <Aurvandill> I'm a gamer :P
[01:46] <LjL> !nvidia9
[01:46] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[01:46] <slyfox> LjL: thank you.
[01:46] <meteor-1500> hi all - are there any repositories with game packages like bzflag and flightgear?
[01:46] <Oly> juano: i can sure boot without it though. what do i with it booted up now?
[01:47] <juano_> chovy: i dont use amarok, i use audacious, works fine for everything , wma, remote files, mp3, etc
[01:47] <Kr4t05> LjL: FOR REALZ?!
[01:47] <Kr4t05> Man, that's teh pwn.
[01:47] <Aurvandill> slyfox: use envy
[01:47] <Aurvandill> !envy
[01:47] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[01:47] <Kr4t05> meteor-1500: Uh... They should be in the main ubuntu repos.
[01:47] <juano_> Oly: go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf,
[01:47] <juano_> Oly: go to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:47] <slyfox> Aurvandill: let me read
[01:47] <Aurvandill> kk
[01:47] <LjL> Kr4t05: that's not even the only repository that has them
[01:48] <elyon225> Okay, I've tried installing sun-java5-jre (with all reps uncommented) and it says it doesn't exist... along with a bunch of other packages I used to be able to install.  What gives?
[01:48] <Aurvandill> slyfox: Just remember to run it outside of X
[01:48] <juano_> Oly: in that file , go to where you see it sais nvidia , etc , with your cards details
[01:48] <LjL> elyon225: i assume you did a "sudo apt-get update"?
[01:48] <meteor-1500> Kr4t05: searching in adept i cant find them
[01:48] <elyon225> lol are you kidding me?  I never forget that either :(
[01:48] <juano_> elyon225: dont install java from repos, download the package from sun
[01:48] <wargas> hi
[01:49] <slyfox> Aurvandill: I think I can. But does it install the latest 9x driver ?
[01:49] <Kr4t05> meteor-1500: Try adding Multiverse and Universe
[01:49] <beg1689> !Nvidia
[01:49] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:49] <juano_> Oly: ? any luck?
[01:49] <Oly> old computer. very slow
[01:49] <LjL> elyon225: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and perhaps i'll be able to tell you something
[01:49] <Oly> lol O.o
[01:50] <meteor-1500> Kr4t05: ah ok thanks
[01:50] <elyon225> LjL: No.. that was it... I had forgotten to do that.   Just reinstalled Kubuntu and forgot a lot of the little things I needed to do.
[01:50] <Aurvandill> slyfox: the 1.0-9746 ?
[01:50] <wargas> LINUX FOR ALL !!!
[01:50] <juano_> Oly: lol
[01:51] <slyfox> Aurvandill: what is the command to see my current nvidia version of driver?
[01:52] <Aurvandill> slyfox: Don't you have the NVIDIA X Server Settings app under "System" on the K-menu?
[01:52] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Yeah, I got 1.0-9746 is that the one it isntalls ?
[01:52] <Aurvandill> it did for me
[01:52] <chovy> i think i need amorak engine installed ...
[01:52] <juano_> slyfox: alt + F2 , type nvidia-settings
[01:52] <slyfox> Aurvandill: I have the latest driver but no Settins app under Systm, how did you get that?
[01:52] <juano_> slyfox: alt + F2 , type nvidia-settings
[01:53] <slyfox> juano_: how come I do not have Server Settings app under system like Aurvandill has ?
[01:53] <Aurvandill> Hmm... just got there when I installed the driver. It's really nice.
[01:53] <slyfox> Aurvandill: Via Envy ?
[01:53] <juano_> slyfox: try enabling it from settings
[01:53] <Aurvandill> actually I used Automatix the first time, and it was there. But that was an older (non-beta) driver.
[01:54] <Aurvandill> It was still there with envy, just updated with some stuff. Like refresh rate settings and such
[01:54] <Oly> Juano: kay got it loaded up . where do i find the "nv" at?
[01:54] <slyfox> What do you guys thing about the upcoming PCLinuxOS ?
[01:54] <juano_> Oly: ok , scroll down a bit till you see Nvidia
[01:55] <slyfox> I am having a delama, to get PClinuxOS 2007 when it comes out this month or Stay with Kubuntu.  Not sure about RPM packages..
[01:55] <slyfox> Dilema
[01:55] <Oly> juano: dont see nvidia at all * ctrl+f * as well
[01:56] <juano_> Oly: is there a section "Device"?
[01:56] <Oly> juano: i had to take the card out*
[01:56] <Oly> juano: just fyi . LOl. it wont even boot with it in
[01:56] <juano_> Oly: oh lol, with the card out it wont be in there lol
[01:56] <SmaMer> how u can chat and set up a os.. ?? in same time?
[01:57] <Aurvandill> Oly: Eh... what? How do you see anything? Do you have an onboard as well?
[01:57] <Oly> onbaord
[01:57] <juano_> Oly: but can you boot up into a terminal with the card in?
[01:57] <juano_> Aurvandill: he got an onboard yea
[01:57] <Oly> juano:  terminal meaning it starst loading everything to the point where its the _  line that beeps and freezes
[01:57] <Aurvandill> Oly: well, get the nvidia card to work in BIOS first, then worry about setting it up :)
[01:57] <juano_> Oly: from live cd then
[01:58] <juano_> Oly: boot from the live cd and mount your root partition from there
[01:58] <Oly> uhh. so many problems witht he live cd. it wont install with it . it just crashes
[01:58] <flaccid> can somebody get rid of all these flys at home
[01:58] <Oly> or boot with it*
[01:58] <juano_> Oly: boot into rescue mode?
[01:58] <Oly> w/e it is it crashes
[01:58] <Oly> its like linux hates this thing
[01:58] <juano_> Oly: ROFL
[01:58] <hatta> flaccid: cat /home/fly > /dev/null
[01:59] <juano_> Oly: hmm is there anyway to get to a terminal?
[01:59] <flaccid> echo "thanks mate" >> /var/log/hatta.thanks
[01:59] <Oly> juano: whats terminal? * remember totally new to unix operations n all crap like so*
[01:59] <juano_> Oly: when you boot your ubuntu, how far do you get?
[02:00] <Oly> juano:   it mounts things and then right when there is the " _  " that blinks alot it freezes on it. and if i switch it to the onboard while its frozen it looks like a static frozen screen from a teli
[02:01] <Oly> juano:  so I guess right before it brings up the pretty little kubuntu blue it crashes?
[02:01] <chovy> how do i get the icon to minimize open windows?
[02:02] <juano_> Oly: what you mean switch to the onboard while its frozen?
[02:02] <jughead> this might sound dumb... what is the "super" key?  I'm looking at the beryl wiki and the shortcut is "Super+Shift+A.  is it right next to the any key:?
[02:02] <Oly> juano:  I just pop out the monitor vga plug into the onboard
[02:02] <slyfox> WHen installing on a 80 gig laptop drive, how big should the /Root folder be ?
[02:02] <juano_> Oly: is the card well plugged in? how does it show up in BIOS?
[02:02] <juano_> Oly: oh, k
[02:03] <Oly> juano: old bios so it works.. b/c it displays. at least i know its not fried.
[02:03] <flaccid> slyfox: doesn't matter as long as you have room for swap part
[02:03] <Oly> juano:  is there something that needs to be enabled with it or something?
[02:03] <juano_> Oly: in the BIOS?
[02:03] <Oly> juano:  yes
[02:04] <juano_> Oly: hmm not sure, but if you boot up your PC do you get a GEFORCE etc.etc.
[02:04] <slyfox> flaccid: So say for a laptop with 2 gigs of ram- 10 gigs for "/"  2 gigs for "swap" and the rest is for "/home" folder ?
[02:04] <mervteck> anyone got a download link for cadega?
[02:04] <juano_> Oly: cause i get that with my FX5500
[02:05] <juano_> mervteck: cedega?
[02:05] <Oly> juano:  no nothing like that.  This a old sony via..
[02:05] <mervteck> yeah that one! lol
[02:05] <flaccid> slyfox: sounds suffice. i myself would not use home on the remainder. ie. i would leave some for a possible os even if its small.
[02:05] <Oly> juano:  let me check ou the bios fast
[02:05] <juano_> Oly: ok, its good to see if in the BIOS you see it
[02:05] <juano_> mervteck: yeah just a sec
[02:05] <mervteck> kk ty
[02:06] <slyfox> flaccid: but can't I just maybe resize /home later on and make it smaller so that I can isntall some otehr OS ?
[02:06] <juano_> mervteck: its a spanish guide, but ill help you http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/soft/cedega-small-5.2.html
[02:06] <flaccid> slyfox: always risks involved and strictly a need for backup despite small risk
[02:06] <mervteck> lol kk can u message me in pm?
[02:06] <flaccid> i'm talking like even 64mb is enough eg. dsl
[02:06] <juano_> mervteck: download cedega engine 5.2, then download cedega small for Debian/Ubuntu
[02:07] <juano_> mervteck: yeah let me identify
[02:07] <mervteck> engine say file not found
[02:07] <slyfox> flaccid: so how would I organize my Kubuntu isntall? I plan to get rid of windows right now so need to know ho to correctly isntall Kubunut
[02:07] <juano__> mervteck: sec
[02:07] <juano__> mervteck:  im pm you
[02:07] <Oly> juano:  yea i do get a geforce 5200 thing at the very start. Ur right. guess i never noticed it =
[02:08] <juano__> Oly: ok then bios is fine
[02:08] <flaccid> slyfox: organise? the installer should be pretty self explanatory ?
[02:08] <juano__> mervteck: join #juano
[02:08] <Oly> *gets out of bios and restarts and givesz exactly when it crasehs
[02:08] <mervteck> k
[02:09] <flaccid> slyfox: you know what you want so just create it in the parteditor instead of letting the installer use the whole disk and work it out.
[02:09] <slyfox> flaccid: I mean partitions.
[02:09] <slyfox> flaccid: that is what I am aasking. I got a laptop with 80gig drive and 2 gigs of ram? What is the best way to partition ?
[02:10] <flaccid> slyfox: well the order is of parts is debatable
[02:10] <flaccid> same will say swap first
[02:10] <slyfox> flaccid: I just follow the standart "/" "swap" "/home"
[02:11] <Oly> juano:   Its forzen just on a  _
[02:11] <Oly> _
[02:11] <Oly> thats all i see
[02:11] <flaccid> like you said. 2048MB for swap. 10GB for / and the rest minus (say 1024MB) for home
[02:11] <juano__> Oly: try pressing something there, ctrl + alt +F1
[02:11] <Oly> ah. and btw. it frezzes after the  sexy blue kubnt things goes
[02:11] <Aurvandill> alrighty... I installed kooldock. It was nice, but can't place it on top of the screen :/
[02:11] <flaccid> slyfox: yeah. i mean you don't need a separate home but its a good idea
[02:11] <r3d_line> hi all
[02:11] <juano__> Oly: lol
[02:12] <juano__> Oly: ok, try ctrl + alt + F1
[02:12] <Oly> juano: did
[02:12] <Oly> nothing
[02:12] <Oly> juano: its gottta be totally frozen
[02:12] <chovy> anybody know why my Settings menu only has "system log" in it?
[02:13] <slyfox> flaccid: I want to 10 gig for "/"  1 gig for "/swap"  and a seperate partition for "/home" with whatever space I have left
[02:13] <flaccid> yeah thats fine
[02:13] <flaccid> some people like to do swap double the size of ram
[02:13] <slyfox> flaccid: Cool
[02:14] <slyfox> flaccid: I was told that nowadays it is not needed with the modern amount of RAM
[02:14] <juano__> Oly: yeah... no live cd??
[02:14] <excitatory> ~500mb is more than enough swap for most users.
[02:15] <flaccid> thats true. however i've seen people find enough programs to run to start eating into more than 1GB of swap
[02:15] <Oly> juano:   Thats why i went to the alternative
[02:15] <Oly> juano:  same problem. it would crash with the vid card in .
[02:15] <flaccid> im not sure how much multi-tasking you do or heavy processing
[02:15] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[02:16] <Oly> whats pci/vga palette noop ?
[02:17] <slyfox> flaccid: I do do multitasking, but I even heard that less than 1 gig for swap for 2 gigs of ram, and if I want to be safe then I need 1 gig for swap
[02:17] <flaccid> put it this way
[02:18] <flaccid> 1GB swap is a lot
[02:18] <flaccid> for 2gb ram
[02:19] <slyfox> flaccid: Ok, so am safe and set to go and isntall Kubuntu with 1 gig of swap ?! :-)
[02:19] <Oly> HOW CAN I RESTART MY BIOS WITHOUT A MONITOR?
[02:19] <Oly> ANYONE?
[02:19] <flaccid> slyfox: totallly safee br00
[02:20] <juano__> Oly: restart your bios??
[02:20] <flaccid> Oly: maybe stop shouting?
[02:20] <Oly> yea i just did something badddd with my vga and now i get no visualll
[02:20] <slyfox> flaccid: cool beins :-)
[02:20] <Oly> sorry
[02:20] <Oly> haha
[02:20] <Oly> <3
[02:20] <juano__> Oly: what you do???
[02:20] <slyfox> Guys, one question, why did you choose KDE over Gnome ?
[02:20] <Oly> did something screwy with my bios now i have no monitor!
[02:21] <Oly> anyway to reset the bios?
[02:21] <slyfox> Oly: just select restore to defualt settings and hit F10 ...
[02:21] <Oly> i can't see
[02:21] <Oly> no monitor
[02:22] <slyfox> Oly: no ieda, maybe go read the bios manually to see if there is a way to hard reset it or get the manual online
[02:22] <Oly> Ah. old piece of crapp =/
[02:22] <Oly> bah wait up .
[02:24] <distro-tester> helloooooo
[02:29] <TheHermit> hi Friends
[02:29] <TheHermit> is the IpsFilter Plugin in Azurues is bad or good
[02:29] <distro-tester> u don't like to use bit torrent hermit?
[02:30] <TheHermit> i think that azureus is more faster bec its use the java
[02:30] <distro-tester> i never used it i use bit torrent but maby will try it
[02:30] <eilker> !hamachi
[02:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hamachi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:31] <TheHermit> okay
[02:31] <TheHermit> So Any Idea Peapole Who use Azureus
[02:40] <juano__> Oly: clear CMOS?
[02:42] <juano__> Oly:
[02:42] <Oly> Yess
[02:42] <Oly> I am A Geniuiss got the bios cleared
[02:42] <juano__> Oly: good
[02:42] <Oly> but back to the first problem
[02:42] <juano__> Oly: clear CMOS
[02:42] <flaccid> hehe
[02:42] <Oly> getting this card to work Lol
[02:42] <Oly> cmos?
[02:43] <juano__> Oly: yea on the motherboard you got a jumper to clear the BIOS
[02:43] <Oly> yea. thats wshati just did
[02:43] <juano__> Oly: yea
[02:43] <Oly> its all cleared and back to defualt
[02:43] <juano__> Oly: good
[02:43] <Oly> same problem though with the  vid card
[02:43] <Oly> crashes
[02:43] <Oly> right after the blue ubuntu loads up
[02:43] <Oly> and on the _ bit it frezzes /crashes
[02:44] <Oly> more of a crash b/c i left it go for 30 min and nothing happened
[02:44] <nitro4ce> the gtk-qt engine doesn't do anything at all, and I am left with my standard "boxy" ff/tb windows. help please.
[02:45] <flaccid> did you change the gtk fonts in kcontrol?
[02:45] <nitro4ce> no
[02:46] <nitro4ce> it says: use my kde fonts in gtk applications
[02:46] <nitro4ce> i didnt change that
[02:47] <nitro4ce> i think it's ok
[02:47] <flaccid> what are you trying to do?
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hi, i think i there is a problem with my xorg that is causing my keyboard to act up, when im logging in to the comp on in another TTY server its fine, but when im acctually logged in i have to hold a key for about five seconds before it will type, im on a live cd now
[02:47] <nitro4ce> flaccid: to make gtk applications look like my kde theme.
[02:48] <flaccid> um ok. google that?
[02:48] <nitro4ce> flaccid: http://dot.kde.org/1073599985/
[02:49] <nitro4ce> i cant make it work
[02:49] <Oly> juano:  u go?
[02:49] <juano__> Oly: hmm.. you would need to get the live cd
[02:49] <juano__> Oly: you need to boot into a terminal somehow
[02:50] <Oly> alright. will you be on later?
[02:50] <Oly> gotta download and burn it
[02:50] <juano__> Oly: you told me it hangs after Kubuntu blue logo?
[02:50] <Oly> yup
[02:50] <Oly> with the gfx in *
[02:50] <juano__> Oly: ok, so its not grub problem
[02:50] <Oly> 5200 nvidia pci
[02:50] <juano__> Oly: my girl got the same card
[02:50] <Oly> yea def not grub. everything loads up. kernel is fine. ll that
[02:51] <juano__> Oly: except she uses windowz lol
[02:51] <juano__> Oly: but fx5200 and fx5500 are same settings lol
[02:51] <juano__> Oly: so i can help you get it right
[02:51] <slyfox> When I copy files via cifs file_mode=0777 from my linux box to my windows shared folder, when the files finishes being copied, I get this message: "Could not change persmissiion for.... and it gives me the file name I jsut copied"   What is that ? How do I fix this ?
[02:51] <Oly> yea windows is fine =/
[02:51] <juano__> Oly: ok, get the live cd
[02:52] <juano__> Oly: and boot from there, when your ready tell me
[02:52] <Oly> alright. well i'll msg ya later. *starts dling*
[02:52] <juano__> Oly: ok
[02:52] <Oly> i'll drop you a pm later * <3 thanks for help
[02:53] <nitro4ce> flaccid: am i missing any package?
[02:53] <brett_> hi all
[02:54] <MotorCityMadMan> is this dapper--> Linux 2.6.15-27-386 ?
[02:55] <brett_> i just got a USB headset and i am having trouble getting it to work. The program wants to know where the sound driver is
[02:55] <slyfox> Anyone ?
[02:59] <intelikey> gooday ubu-nauts
[03:02] <slyfox> Can someone please tell me why this gives me permission to write files fine to windows share:  "D -fstype=smbfs,dmask=777.fmask=777 ://192.168.1.7/D"      and thsi gives me permissiion error?   "D -fstype=cifs,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 ://192.168.1.7/D"  ?
[03:04] <MotorCityMadMan> is kde 3.5.6 ok to upgrade with dapper ?
[03:04] <intelikey> slyfox cause  file_mode & dir_mode are not recognized options ?
[03:05] <slyfox> intelikey: ? how do you mean >?
[03:05] <MotorCityMadMan> or will there be bugs running around on the HDD ?
[03:06] <intelikey> MotorCityMadMan you mean more bugs ?
[03:06] <MotorCityMadMan> sure
[03:06] <intelikey> possibly-ossibly-ossibly
[03:07] <MotorCityMadMan> kde 3.5.5 to 3.5.6 = good or troubles ?
[03:07] <MotorCityMadMan> for dapper
[03:07] <intelikey> i don't know i'm still hating 3.5.2
[03:07] <intelikey> haven't begun to hate 3.5.5 yet
[03:08] <jmichaelx> is 3.5.6 out now?
[03:08] <aseigo> intelikey: haha... i love your positive outlook
[03:08] <aseigo> jmichaelx: yes
[03:08] <slyfox> intelikey: what should I set instead of file_mode=0777 ?
[03:08] <MotorCityMadMan> update to 3.5.5 caused usb troubles for me
[03:08] <intelikey> well at least i'm positive that i'll hate it.   unlike some that only wonder if they will...
[03:09] <jmichaelx> i have liked 3.5.5 a lot
[03:09] <intelikey> slyfox if ""D -fstype=smbfs,dmask=777.fmask=777://192.168.1.7/D""   why change it ?
[03:10] <brett_> !sound
[03:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[03:10] <intelikey> works why change it
[03:10] <brett_> ?
[03:11] <seabra> hello!
[03:11] <slyfox> intelikey: it is a complicated problem, because apperently I can write files fine with smbfs, but amarok only wants to use cifs so that it can fully build my database
[03:12] <intelikey> sounds like amarok issues to me.
[03:12] <slyfox> intelikey: amarok people said it is not :-)
[03:12] <intelikey> lol
[03:12] <chovy> how do i get flash to work ?
[03:12] <slyfox> intelikey: I am reinstalling kubuntu anyway
[03:13] <intelikey> yeah i know it's the old pass the buck game.
[03:13] <brett_> i have a onboard sound card as well as a additional sound card. I just ripped out the second card. Where should I go to remove the card from settings so that linux does not look for it
[03:13] <jmichaelx> does 3.5.6 seem to be working well for those that have tried it?
[03:13] <intelikey> !flash9 | chovy
[03:13] <ubotu> chovy: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:14] <esaym> anyone have any tips to get a webcam working in kopete?
[03:14] <slyfox> chovy: http://www.diigo.com/redirect?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.getautomatix.com
[03:14] <intelikey> brett_ if the hardware is not there linux wont set it up.   not unless there is something very unconventional there.
[03:14] <esaym> not a webcam on the kubuntu machine but the user I am chatting to in windows using yahoo
[03:14] <brett_> intelikey: ok
[03:15] <intelikey> slyfox automatix ?
[03:15] <intelikey> !automatix
[03:15] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[03:15] <chovy> what's a "backport"?
[03:16] <intelikey> chovy a repo for things that were released after the distro was released.
[03:16] <brett_> intelikey: i am trying to debug a sound problem and this walkthrough is asking me to type this line
[03:16] <slyfox> OK ! Ready to Unisntall Windows and Go Kubuntu Fully. !
[03:16] <brett_> intelikey:
[03:16] <brett_> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop $ sudo gedit /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[03:16] <brett_>     *
[03:16] <slyfox> I am going to go now and do that :-)
[03:16] <brett_> intelikey: it says that it cannot shut down theALSa card
[03:17] <brett_> intelikey: what am i doing wrong
[03:18] <intelikey> brett_ looks like a syntax error also.   $   is not a command seperator
[03:18] <intelikey> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
[03:18] <intelikey> sudo kate /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[03:20] <phobiac> Anyone have any experience compiling the Cedega sources?
[03:20] <brett_> intelikey: your right. cool that fixed it
[03:20] <phobiac> I'm using the script here: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+Cedega+CVS
[03:20] <elyon225> Well, surprise, surprise!  I have yet another problem I don't know how to start fixing.  I just reinstalled Kubuntu (keeping my original /home partition).  Now, I'm the only user that can login.  The other's get a "Could not start kdedesktop" or some kind of error and are returned to the login screen.  Any ideas?
[03:21] <phobiac> I get partway through make and have a problem, the entire make is here for anyone who wants to help: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2938/
[03:21] <phobiac> The error is near the end.
[03:21] <intelikey> phobiac you have build-essential installed ?
[03:21] <brett_> intelikey: i am ready to just reinstall.
[03:21] <intelikey> brett_ reinstall ?   because sound didn't work and you pulled a card ?
[03:22] <phobiac> intelikey: Yes
[03:22] <brett_> intelikey: the program i am trying to get to work wont anymore
[03:22] <brett_> intelikey: something is screwed up with it and reinstalling it does nothing
[03:22] <brett_> intelikey: i am just trying to get a headset working and it is a real pain in the neck
[03:23] <andrea> hi
[03:23] <andrea> i'm new here
[03:23] <phobiac> elyon225: It could be an issue with permissions.
[03:23] <jmichaelx> ok, i am taking the plunge and upgrading to 3.5.6 :-D
[03:23] <intelikey> elyon225 that's because they don't own their home dirs.   command    sudo chown <username>:<username> -R /home/<username>      for each of them.
[03:23] <andrea> there is anyone that speak italian?
[03:23] <elyon225> phobiac, intelikey: Okay, thank you.
[03:23] <phobiac> !italian | andrea
[03:23] <elyon225> intelikey: The -R tells it to be recursive, correct?
[03:23] <ubotu> andrea: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:24] <intelikey> correct elyon225
[03:25] <phobiac> So, anyone have any idea what the problem could be with make? :/
[03:26] <phobiac> The two things I notice are it says, "__stack_chk_fail" and something about wine-preloader which is then followed by an error.
[03:26] <phobiac> I got the wine-dev package to see if it helps but it didn't.
[03:27] <intelikey> elyon225 what happens there is that the first user is allways the same UID   linux doesn't look for names it looks for numbers     echo "$UID"    and if you do not follow the exact same order creating the users as you did the first time the UID's will not be the same...  i.e. not in the same order     so blah's home is still /home/blah but according to the UID tag foo own's /home/blah now...
[03:28] <phobiac> intelikey: He left already
[03:28] <intelikey> hmmm i didn't notice...
[03:29] <phobiac> So, not to be greedy with the help, but you have any other ideas for what my problem could be?
[03:30] <intelikey> pastebin the error    or did i miss that too ?
[03:30] <phobiac> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2938/
[03:30] <phobiac> That's the whole make, it's at the bottom.
[03:30] <intelikey> k
[03:30] <phobiac> Thanks
[03:31] <morphius> I am tryig to set up my computer as a router using dhcp3-server and iptables. I have two interfaces, serving two different physical subnets, all on one vitrual subnet (192.168.0.x). I can obtain dhcp OK on either, but I can only get internet on one. I'm sure I have IPtables configured correctly. The only way to get internet on the other (I tried copying the rules using cut and paste, or simply switching the interfaces on the rules), 
[03:31] <morphius> way to get internet on the one which is not recieveing internet requires I physically swap the pci slots to get service. Then the other physical subnet won't work. Any ideas why I can only get one at a time going?
[03:32] <intelikey> phobiac lines 40-42  are the problem    and if a C monkey would tell you how to fix it now you'd be in b'ness
[03:33] <TheHermit> hwo to enable shortcuts for restarting the kubuntu server
[03:33] <TheHermit> ctrl+delet+backspace
[03:33] <phobiac> intelikey: Yeah I figured it had something to do with those lines, maybe I'll see if anyone in #cedega can help. Is there even a #cedega?
[03:33] <phobiac> Yup, there is.
[03:34] <phobiac> Alright thank you for your help, I'll see if anyone in there has any suggestions.
[03:34] <intelikey> ctrl+delet+backspace ?    or ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[03:34] <TheHermit> i dont knwo realy
[03:34] <Octarion> intelikey: CNTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[03:34] <TheHermit> know*
[03:34] <Octarion> :)
[03:34] <Octarion> NO!!!
[03:34] <Octarion> Wait! :P
[03:34] <intelikey> phobiac np.  building source is not my strong suit   cause i don't C  see ?
[03:35] <Octarion> ctrl+alt+backspace resets de Xserver...
[03:35] <TheHermit> okay what ever its it dosent work
[03:35] <phobiac> Lol
[03:35] <malik> hi i have bunch of smilies which work in one user account and not in other user account in amsn 0.96...........any fix for that so that every1 on my comp can use all the smilies?
[03:36] <Octarion> nothing about shortcuts... oh, not icons xD Sorry!!! x:P
[03:36] <intelikey> TheHermit ctrl+alt+backspace can be enabled/disabled in /etc/X11/xorg.conf    assuming you use the global config file.
[03:36] <TheHermit> okay
[03:37] <intelikey> back in a bit.   nature demands my attention.
[03:38] <draik> !ssh
[03:38] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:40] <Octarion> !NAT
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about NAT - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <Octarion> :( *snif*
[03:40] <Octarion> !nat
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:40] <Octarion> :____________(
[03:41] <pgdown> !router
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <draik> Octarion: What are you trying to do?
[03:41] <Octarion> How do I activate nat service in my Kubuntu?
[03:41] <pgdown> ip tables?
[03:41] <Octarion> draik, know that :P
[03:41] <Octarion> ip tables? I don't know :\ What are IP tables for?
[03:41] <draik> Octarion: http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&lr=&q=activate+NAT+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[03:42] <pgdown> !iptables
[03:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:42] <Octarion> draik: na, na, na... it seem "I don't have luck" :P
[03:43] <Octarion> pgdown: but configure nat service by hand? If is by machine it's not cool... ;)
[03:44] <phobiac> Intelikey: Okay I *may* have found a solution, but I don't really know how to do what it suggests.
[03:44] <phobiac> http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/2006/11/21/problems-compiling-cedega/#comments
[03:45] <phobiac> It says to edit the makefile, is the the file called make in the directory that the sources are being compiled?
[03:46] <intelikey> Makefile is called Makefile
[03:46] <phobiac> Ah okay
[03:46] <phobiac> I'll check for it in the directory
[03:47] <JRH3K5> Pardon; is there any risk in allowing Kubuntu and Fedora Core to use the same partition as swap when the two OS'es will not be running concurrently?
[03:48] <pgdown> I think it's ok
[03:48] <intelikey> JRH3K5 i don't see any risk in it.
[03:48] <JRH3K5> I figured there wouldn't be a problem.  But, hey, what do I know? :P
[03:48] <intelikey> JRH3K5 how much ram do you have ?
[03:48] <Slackwise> No, there should be absolutely no problem.
[03:49] <Slackwise> A swap partition is a swap partition. It doesn't retain any data (well, it does, but it isn't accessible) per boot, so it shouldn't matter.
[03:50] <brett_> is there a way to reset all sound configurations?
[03:50] <JRH3K5> I was wondering if it was possible for an OS to leave something in swap if it needs to reboot to implement some sort of update
[03:50] <pgdown> brett_ : sound configurations?
[03:50] <brett_> pgdown: yes
[03:50] <pgdown> meaning?
[03:51] <brett_> pgdown: meaning i have been messing with my audio settings and i would like to redetect all devices and return to the defiault settings
[03:51] <intelikey> JRH3K5 linux wouldn't do that.     the only reason to reboot would be to run a different kernel    "or libc but it's not mandaroty there, only advisable."
[03:51] <pgdown> brett_: try alsamixer maybe?
[03:51] <pgdown> open terminal and enter alsamixer
[03:52] <brett_> pgdown: then what?
[03:52] <pgdown> and then modify as needed...
[03:53] <pgdown> I dont know of any way to "reset" everything to default
[03:53] <crimsun> sure there is.
[03:53] <brett_> i want it to detect my sound settings and my sound card
[03:53] <pgdown> it?
[03:53] <crimsun> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) && sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod|grep ^snd|awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sync && reboot -f
[03:54] <brett_> crimsun: is that last command for me?
[03:54] <crimsun> that removes any existing mixer state written to the HD.
[03:54] <crimsun> alsactl store will then fail on reboot, which can be ignored since you've already removed the state file.
[03:54] <phobiac> Well that didn't fix it. :(
[03:55] <brett_> kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec]  pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] 
[03:55] <brett_> that is what it said
[03:55] <crimsun> brett_: hw "detection" is always done per-boot.
[03:55] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:55] <crimsun> brett_: did you copy and paste?
[03:55] <brett_> crimsun: oh
[03:55] <brett_> crimsun: yes
[03:56] <crimsun> brett_: so proceed with the second portion.
[03:56] <intelikey> is lsof installed by default ?
[03:56] <brett_> crimsun: so the command you gave me ran?
[03:56] <brett_> crimsun: it seemed like that was an error
[03:57] <phobiac> Bah, I give up. I'll find some way to see if I can get wine to work with this game.
[03:57] <brett_> phobiac: which game?
[03:57] <intelikey> kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) ;sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod|grep ^snd|awk '{print $1}') ;sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state ;sync && reboot -f   <<<< brett_ try that one.    note it will reboot your box.
[03:57] <phobiac> War Rock
[03:58] <brett_> intelikey: ok cool... see you in a bit
[03:58] <crimsun> intelikey: it's a dependency of ubuntu-standard, which is seeded by default
[03:59] <intelikey> hmmm ok.   was just checking.   i don't have it and didn't know for sure that it was default.
[04:00] <brett> that was fun
[04:00] <brett> thats guys... lets see if that helped at all
[04:01] <sparr> checking my hard drives for defects one at a time...  gonna take all night  :(
[04:01] <sparr> in the mean time, need help with drivers
[04:02] <sparr> using the kubuntu desktop cd, i cant get my RTL8211 network to work, or my ALC883 audio.  any pointers?
[04:02] <dmitri> does anyone know how to change keyboard layout?
[04:03] <intelikey> !keyboard
[04:03] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[04:03] <brett> intelikey: well that did something
[04:04] <dmitri> ubotu: I want to change keys actually.
[04:04] <intelikey> !Shortcuts
[04:04] <brett> intelikey: how do i set my default sound device to a USB headset?
[04:04] <crimsun> brett: asoundconf list
[04:04] <crimsun> brett: (what's the output?)
[04:05] <intelikey> brett you need to be asking crimsun    not me.
[04:05] <brett> intelikey: ok :-)
[04:05] <brett> crimsun: a game i play
[04:05] <brett> crimsun: actually i am more interested in the input
[04:05] <crimsun> and I'm asking you for the output from the command I just gave you.
[04:05] <brett> crimsun: i am trying to get this headset to work, i really just want the mic to work
[04:05] <brett> oh
[04:06] <brett> Names of available sound cards:
[04:06] <brett> V8237
[04:06] <brett> Headset
[04:06] <crimsun> brett: asoundconf set-default-card Headset
[04:06] <crimsun> brett: then restart the sound app
[04:06] <crimsun> brett: (which sound app is it, anyhow?)
[04:06] <brett> Teamspeak
[04:06] <crimsun> ugh.
[04:06] <crimsun> that's much more complicated
[04:06] <brett> your telling me
[04:06] <Anything> hi, anyone got experience using netgear dual wan ports prosafe vpn firewall?
[04:06] <crimsun> can you just configure teamspeak to use /dev/dsp1 ?
[04:07] <brett> crimsun: im starting to wish they use skype as that seems easier
[04:07] <brett> crimsun: i could... let me try that first
[04:07] <crimsun> brett: note that using TS will prevent all other apps from using that Headset.
[04:07] <sparr> can anyone recommend a tool like badblocks that can do read/write checking on a hard drive, but that will check nonsequential blocks, at random or in order?  i dont want to exhaustively list my bad blocks, i just want to audit (say) 1% of the blocks to see if the drive is failing
[04:08] <elyon225> Could someone tell me how to create a new entry in my login screen to login to Xgl?
[04:08] <brett> crimsun: thats cool. I bought the headset just for teamspeak
[04:08] <crimsun> sparr: instead of say, smartmontools?
[04:08] <crimsun> specifically its smartctl
[04:09] <sparr> crimsun: can smartctl do non-exhaustive testing?
[04:09] <brett> crimsun: that didn't work
[04:09] <brett> crimsun: i do not think teamspeak likes the headset
[04:09] <brett> crimsun: it has a mute next to my name since i set it as the default device
[04:11] <crimsun> brett: that's not important; TS uses OSS emulation
[04:11] <crimsun> brett: what's the output from ``cat /proc/asound/devices && amixer -c1''?
[04:11] <crimsun> use paste.ubuntu-nl.org, please
[04:12] <brett> crimsun: yeah... long output
[04:12] <juano__> !beryl | elyon225
[04:12] <ubotu> elyon225: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:12] <juano__> elyon225: that might have something about it
[04:12] <ralph> hello all
[04:12] <brett> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2941/
[04:13] <brett> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2941/
[04:13] <Anything> hi anyone knows how to stop my router from dialing out to isp, and let me use winpoet or enternet to dail instead?
[04:13] <ralph> I am running edgy and seem to have a problem running KDE Konqueror.  I get weird and slow reaction to use details view
[04:14] <elyon225> juano__: I followed the instructions on there to install Xgl into the login manager, but it hasn't shown up.
[04:14] <elyon225> I have already tried restarting X, too.
[04:14] <crimsun> brett: you probably need to use alsamixer to toggle the mic for capture, then actually unmute the mic.
[04:14] <BluesKaj> router dialing ?
[04:14] <brett> crimsun: that alsamixer is textbased and I do not know how to navigate it
[04:14] <juano__> elyon225: let me check, one sec
[04:15] <xsacha> brett: kmixer
[04:15] <brett> crimsun: can i use kmix instead?
[04:15] <xsacha> yeah kmix
[04:15] <brett> crimsun: how do i toggle the mic for capture? does that involve hitting the red or green button? because I am really curious what they do
[04:16] <xsacha> green button = unmute, red = capture?
[04:16] <xsacha> red = record
[04:16] <Anything> sorry adsl router dialing
[04:16] <BluesKaj> sacktime ... nite all
[04:16] <xsacha> it says what it is when you hover mouse over it
[04:18] <JRH3K5> Any idea why QTparted, under the Knoppix Live! CD, lists hda as busy?
[04:18] <jarn> How do I set the output file and directory with wget? Or can't I?
[04:18] <brett> i think it is working now
[04:19] <xsacha> JRH3K5: perhaps it automounted it
[04:19] <juano__> elyon225: check this out
[04:19] <juano__> elyon225: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[04:19] <JRH3K5> How does one go about stopping it from being auto-mounted?
[04:19] <juano__> elyon225: go to the Adding a XGL login session
[04:20] <elyon225> juano__: Those are the exact instructions I followed, but Xgl still doesn't appear in the login screen.
[04:20] <intelikey> JRH3K5         -O file
[04:20] <intelikey>        --output-document=file
[04:20] <juano__> elyon225: how abou this? To create the login entry, create a new file /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop
[04:21] <juano__> elyon225: did you read that part?
[04:21] <JRH3K5> I should enter -O file --output-document=file into the terminal?
[04:21] <elyon225> juano__: Yep... and I pasted what it said to paste in it.
[04:21] <JRH3K5> I tried umount /dev/hda/, but it says that it's not mounted
[04:22] <juano__> elyon225: mm that should work , try a sudo ls /etc/X11/sessions/ and see if the file is in there right
[04:22] <elyon225> juano__: Yep... it's there.
[04:23] <juano__> JRH3K5: you dont umount /dev/hda , u need to umount your mount point
[04:23] <elyon225> juano__: I opened it in kate and it has the correct info in it.
[04:23] <juano__> elyon225: mm i see.. let me think
[04:23] <intelikey> JRH3K5 as for wget    man wget   and  hit / type  Directory Options  hit enter.      as for mount.  most people don't mount fixed disks they mount partitions on the disk.
[04:23] <surgy> whats the defualt directory to sources.list?
[04:24] <surgy> etc/apt/  ?
[04:24] <intelikey> err actually fs's in the partitions on the disk
[04:24] <intelikey> yep
[04:24] <intelikey> /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:25] <brett> Guys thanks alot it is working great
[04:25] <intelikey> juano__ you can umount a device as easy as a mountpoint   ffr
[04:26] <JRH3K5> Wait...what?  wget is used for downloading files...how would that stop /dev/hda from being busy?
[04:26] <prueba> :)
[04:26] <_AnitA_> hola
[04:27] <juano__> _AnitA_: hola, hablas espaol? entra a #ubuntu-es
[04:27] <prueba> thx
[04:27] <intelikey> one can:    sudo umount /dev/* 2>/dev/null      if one needs too.
[04:27] <_AnitA_> thx juano
[04:28] <_AnitA_> i can not get in in this channel
[04:28] <_AnitA_> can u make me a favor
[04:28] <juano__> _AnitA_: ?
[04:28] <_AnitA_> can u just for a moment joint to kubuntu-es
[04:28] <_AnitA_> and talk there
[04:28] <JRH3K5> But it's not listing them as mounted
[04:28] <JRH3K5> It says that none of the partitions are mounted
[04:28] <juano__> _AnitA_: sure
[04:28] <_AnitA_> just to see what is hapened
[04:28] <_AnitA_> thx
[04:28] <Jucato> !es
[04:28] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:28] <Jucato> there's also #kubuntu-es
[04:30] <intelikey> JRH3K5 may i ask what you are trying to do ?
[04:30] <prueba> dfjslfjsldkfjsldf
[04:30] <JRH3K5> Wipe the partitions, and then create one ext3 partition (30GB), one ext3 partition (40GB), one NTFS partition (49 GB), and a linux-swap partition (2GB)
[04:31] <JRH3K5> However, I can't wipe the current partitions using QTparted under Knoppix Live! because it lists /dev/hda as being busy
[04:31] <intelikey> the whole disk ?
[04:31] <JRH3K5> Yes
[04:32] <intelikey> if dev/hda is busy then that's probably the cd
[04:32] <intelikey> JRH3K5 do;  mount
[04:32] <Oly> jauno awake?
[04:32] <jarn> What's a place that will let me upload a file and won't ditch it after awhile (like Rapidshare)?
[04:32] <JRH3K5> /dev/hdb is the CD-ROM
[04:32] <intelikey> see if it sheds any light
[04:32] <juano__> Oly: yes
[04:32] <elyon225> juano__: Find anything? :)
[04:32] <juano__> Oly: lol, just came back
[04:33] <JRH3K5> intelikey - it's got /dev/root and /dev/hdb mounted
[04:33] <Oly> juano: gues it was distiny
[04:33] <JRH3K5> /dev/hda isn't mounted anywhere
[04:33] <juano__> elyon225: mm not really, i have beryl installed
[04:33] <juano__> elyon225: it worked with those instructions, be sure you are making all the steps right
[04:34] <intelikey> JRH3K5 ok.   close parted for a minute. and do: sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda count=2048
[04:34] <juano__> Oly: did you get the live cd_
[04:34] <elyon225> juano__: Yeah, I guess I'll just follow them again. Now, I have xgl and beryl installed (beryl is running right now just fine)... should I just start after the installation steps?
[04:34] <intelikey> JRH3K5 then reopen parted  it will ask if you want to make a new empty partition table.
[04:35] <juano__> elyon225: well all you need is the Xgl session
[04:35] <juano__> elyon225: for the menu
[04:35] <JRH3K5> There we go.
[04:35] <JRH3K5> Thank you
[04:35] <Oly> juano yea. i got the live cd. should i go ahead and  put my card back in?
[04:35] <intelikey> JRH3K5 np
[04:35] <juano__> elyon225: so i would concentrate on that, if beryl is working good then its fine
[04:35] <juano__> Oly: yes and boot from cd
[04:35] <Oly> k
[04:35] <elyon225> juano__: Yeah... just want it to always start up when I log in.
[04:35] <JRH3K5> intelikey - wait, nevermind.  It's listed as readonly and QTparted can't make a new partition table
[04:36] <intelikey> yes you can.  make a new partition table
[04:36] <intelikey> empty one.
[04:36] <Anything> help, how do i set a gateway manually?
[04:36] <juano__> elyon225: im not sure how to accomplish that, cause i have it installed but i use it only some times, just for fun/testing
[04:36] <JRH3K5> intelikey - I right-click on /dev/hda and click "Make new partition table".  It tells me it can't.
[04:37] <intelikey> JRH3K5 but if you prefer just use cfdisk to make the partitions.
[04:37] <jackson> i have just installed Drapper ..is it possible to upgrade straight away to Edgy without doing the updates first?
[04:37] <juano__> Anything: with the route command
[04:37] <juano__> Anything: what is your ip gateway number_
[04:37] <intelikey> JRH3K5 did you run it as root ?
[04:37] <elyon225> Yeah, I guess it really isn't a necessary feature ;)
[04:37] <juano__> elyon225: i like the skydome ! :-)
[04:38] <JRH3K5> intelikey - Run QTparted?  No; I wasn't aware it required that.  Can I just do sudo qtparted from the terminal?
[04:38] <intelikey> JRH3K5 mussent mussent forget root, naughty naughty.
[04:38] <Anything> ok my ip gateway is 192.168.2.1
[04:38] <elyon225> juano__: I don't notice any difference when I enable that...
[04:38] <intelikey> yes
[04:38] <JRH3K5> I've not need to run QTparted as root before :(
[04:38] <juano__> Anything: sudo route add default gw 192.168.2.1
[04:38] <Anything> ok thanks alot
[04:38] <Anything> i might dc now
[04:38] <elyon225> juano__: I do, however, like the Show Desktop feature... that I would use quite often.
[04:39] <juano__> elyon225: you need to lower the cube zoom
[04:39] <surgy> when i try to mount my ipod i get this error "
[04:39] <surgy> Return code from mount was 32.
[04:39] <surgy> "mount failure"
[04:39] <elyon225> juano__: Ahh... lemme see what it does :)
[04:39] <juano__> elyon225: you should join #beryl also, they can help you there with everything im sure
[04:39] <elyon225> oh yeah
[04:39] <Anything> juano__: how do u delete an existing default gateway?
[04:40] <Anything> default         192.168.2.2      0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 eth0
[04:40] <juano__> Anything: route del
[04:40] <juano__> Anything: with the del, opposite of add
[04:40] <elyon225> juano__: Where is the setting for cube zoom?
[04:40] <juano__> elyon225: mm dont remember well, its near the skydome options
[04:41] <juano__> elyon225: one of the 2 horizontal bar tabs.. somewhere there
[04:41] <elyon225> juano__: Hmm... I don't even have any .PNG photos to try it with lol
[04:42] <juano__> elyon225: i had a link a guy in #beryl gave it to me
[04:42] <juano__> elyon225: just a sec
[04:42] <juano__> elyon225: for .png skydomes
[04:42] <anything1> hi juano__: when i type arp -n how come it still shows the old gateway?
[04:43] <juano__> anything1: not sure, never tried arp -n, probably del didnt go well
[04:43] <juano__> anything1: dont worry about old entries, just add your entry to the table
[04:43] <juano__> anything1: it should work fine
[04:43] <anything1> ok thanks
[04:44] <Oly> juano: kay checked te cd. no problems with the disk
[04:44] <anything1> hey
[04:44] <anything1> [Whois]  Anything is n=zzz@bb219-74-174-190.singnet.com.sg (zzz)
[04:44] <juano__> anything1: also, its good to try a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart to change effects, but on route changes dont bother i guess
[04:44] <Oly> juano: what should i boo out of?
[04:44] <Oly> boot*
[04:44] <anything1> [Whois]  anything1 is n=zzz@210.193.58.184 (zzz)
[04:44] <anything1> does that means my isp changed, after i changed my gateway?
[04:44] <juano__> Oly: press enter on the first option in the menu "Install or Run ubuntu" if i recall well
[04:45] <intelikey> JRH3K5 how goes the war ?
[04:45] <Oly> juano: start or install kubuntu *  yes?
[04:45] <Oly> juano: ther eis also start kubuntu in safe graphics mode
[04:45] <jughead> what's a nice simple movie editor for kubuntu?  I have some .mov's that I made with a digital cam on new year's eve and I'd like to string them together and maybe put some text in with them
[04:45] <Oly> juano: do remember its aactually installed on the system
[04:46] <Oly> and i love you <3
[04:46] <juano__> Oly: yes, that option only runs an ubuntu kernel up to memory
[04:46] <intelikey> odd qtparted doesn't detect but one device in this box.  i have 8 disk drives....
[04:46] <elyon225> juano__: Oooh... i'm liking the skydome ;)
[04:46] <Oly> juano: so start or install kubuntu * ?
[04:47] <juano__> elyon225: http://goberylgo.blogspot.com/search/label/imagenes png its in spanish but just click on the pics and download them
[04:47] <surgy> man i really need help with this ipod, i got it to mount but for some reason amarok wont recognize it
[04:47] <juano__> Oly: yes
[04:47] <Oly> k
[04:47] <juano__> Oly: you will get to a desktop loaded in memory, so changes wont save there
[04:48] <juano__> Oly: once you are there, we have to mount your root partition to go into your files
[04:48] <juano__> Oly: once we do that, we have to check xorg.conf and i will give you some lines to put in there and see if it works
[04:49] <Oly> lOl juano ur gonna get a kick out of this
[04:49] <Oly> it froze on the same thing on the live cd
[04:50] <anything1> anyone knows about dual wan setups? sigh..was trying to merge 2 isp using rollover/load-balancing
[04:50] <anything1> !dmz
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmz - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <anything1> !multicast
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multicast - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <juano__> Oly: wait a couple of minutes
[04:50] <Oly> k. i'll just let it sit
[04:50] <Oly> remind me in a hour ^.^ lol
[04:50] <juano__> Oly: you have to wait like 2 minutes min
[04:50] <Oly> =p
[04:50] <juano__> Oly: how much ram u got in the PC:_
[04:51] <Oly> 387 =/
[04:51] <juano__> Oly: 384 you mean
[04:51] <juano__> Oly: fair enough
[04:51] <Oly> yea. sorry its 38 something
[04:51] <Oly> =/
[04:52] <Oly> but if i were to take the vid card out and try again it would work ....
[04:52] <juano__> Oly: yep 256 + 128
[04:52] <Oly> yup
[04:52] <Oly> still forzen
[04:52] <Oly> frozen*
[04:52] <juano__> Oly: mm.. try booting the live cd with onboard card
[04:53] <Oly> * so otherwise taking out the card*
[04:53] <juano__> Oly: is this happening on other OS_
[04:53] <juano__> like windows?
[04:53] <juano__> Oly: or only ubuntu?
[04:53] <Oly> nope works fien with windows
[04:53] <juano__> Oly: which monitor you got?
[04:53] <Oly> ubuntu and knobbix
[04:53] <Oly> only linux distros
[04:54] <juano__> Oly: try rebooting live cd
[04:54] <Oly> yea trying right now
[04:54] <juano__> elyon225: yea skydomes are cool
[04:57] <juano__> Oly: ill be right back
[04:57] <Oly> juano: just loaded up
[04:57] <Oly> kk
[05:01] <surgy> how do i make a link to a comand?
[05:01] <surgy> like if i want a button on my desktop that will umount /media/ipod
[05:02] <intelikey> script it
[05:03] <juano__> Oly: ok
[05:03] <juano__> Oly: your in?
[05:03] <intelikey> echo "umount /media/ipod" > ~/Desktop/UnMount\ ipod ;chmod 755 ~/Desktop/UnMount\ ipod
[05:03] <intelikey> surgy ^
[05:04] <surgy> thnx
[05:04] <Oly> yea. with out the video card in
[05:04] <Oly> same thing as the regular kubuntu*
[05:04] <juano__> Oly: so your with onboard one
[05:04] <Oly> yea
[05:04] <juano__> Oly: ok
[05:04] <Oly> it works fine with onboard
[05:04] <Oly> but same freeeze even with the ubuntu cd in
[05:05] <juano__> Oly: we need to find out what partition is your root partition
[05:05] <juano__> Oly: are you on the live cd desktop now_
[05:05] <Oly> yea
[05:05] <Oly> wnat me to reboot with regular?
[05:05] <juano__> Oly: no
[05:06] <juano__> Oly: when you boot with your Nvidia regular, it doesnt work, if you boot regular with onboard it doesnt work, if you boot with live cd with nvidia it doesnt work either right?
[05:06] <surgy> when i unplug my ipod it does auto umount
[05:07] <_AnitA_> Hi juano_ or someone knows if kopete suport webcam and microphone? thx
[05:07] <Oly> nono
[05:07] <juano__> _AnitA_: get amsn, http://amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php
[05:08] <juano__> Oly: ? how is it then
[05:08] <Oly> juano:  if I boot with onboard with both live cd and from hd its fine.  If i boot with the nvidia  it loads up everything and right when it gets out of the loading cscreen it gets frozen on the " - "   which blinks
[05:08] <Oly> so anything with the card it freezes right there
[05:08] <_AnitA_> but does kopete supports?
[05:08] <juano__> Oly: ahh even live cd?
[05:08] <juano__> _AnitA_: im not sure i dont use kopete or gaim much
[05:08] <intelikey> frozen on the " - "   ?
[05:09] <juano__> _AnitA_: try google.com and search u might find something
[05:09] <_AnitA_> thx
[05:09] <Phlosten> _AnitA_: kopete has webcam settings so i assume so
[05:10] <Oly> yea even the live cd
[05:10] <Oly> its the vid card
[05:10] <Oly> bah
[05:10] <juano__> Oly: well then if you can go in with onboard regular boot, then regular boot and get into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:10] <Oly> so i was thinking mabye it isn't enabled * or this card* and maybe i should reboot with the hd and install the drives turn it off and try to boot up again
[05:10] <juano__> Oly: exaclty
[05:10] <Oly> kay juano . give me 1 sec
[05:11] <juano__> Oly: k, boot into regular ubuntu from HDD
[05:12] <jarn> What does sh do? If I'm understanding it correctly, it just executes commands from a file. But what is the point of that when you can just mod the file executable and run it?
[05:13] <juano__> jarn: sh executes shell script files
[05:13] <jarn> juano__: What are those?
[05:14] <intelikey> sh  executes a "shell"    ls -l /bin/sh
[05:14] <juano__> jarn: you can execute files in various shells, sh bash bsh, etc
[05:15] <juano__> jarn: sh is one of them
[05:15] <intelikey> any shell can run a file.sh    observe: tty2 [greg@~]  echo "echo boo" > something.sh
[05:15] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  bash something.sh
[05:15] <intelikey> boo
[05:16] <jarn> intelikey: Can't any shell run a regular file too, containing commands such as "apt-get install xxx", etc?
[05:16] <intelikey> sh in ubuntu is a symlink to either bash or dash
[05:17] <intelikey> jarn what you describe is what i just did.
[05:17] <Tonren> I just installed lighttpd, but I want Apache to be the server that actually runs.  How do I stop lighttpd from starting on bootup?
[05:17] <jarn> intelikey: So what is the point of running a file with that command with sh as opposed to without it?
[05:17] <intelikey> jarn try it.
[05:18] <juano__> jarn: well sometimes it makes a difference, for example limewire has an issue needs to be run with bash and not sh
[05:19] <surgy> YES ipod and amrarok are now making love!!! its a glorius site!
[05:19] <intelikey> yes shell specific code is another issue altogather.
[05:19] <juano__> Oly: are you here?
[05:19] <jarn> intelikey: It worked with both the bash and sh command, but when I just typed in something.sh it says 'Permission denied'.
[05:19] <Oly> yea i'm here
[05:19] <Oly> kubuntu just crashed
[05:19] <Oly> soo one sc
[05:19] <Oly> lol
[05:19] <intelikey> jarn exactly   that's the point.
[05:20] <jarn> intelikey: So it let's you do it without modding it executable?
[05:20] <jarn> intelikey: Maybe I'm missing something, but that's the only benefit I see.
[05:20] <intelikey> jarn now if you set the permissions on it to executable then you don't need to use a shell to open it.    yes that ^
[05:20] <jarn> intelikey: Ah, I see.
[05:21] <jarn> intelikey: Nifty, thanks. I'm writing a script that will run certain commands and I had seen some use sh so I wondered what it was. Thanks a lot. :D
[05:21] <intelikey> jarn if you have a script that is set executable it automatically runs in a subshell  if the permission is not +x then you have to shell it.
[05:22] <Oly> juano: whats the file again?
[05:22] <jarn> intelikey: Yeah, I get it now. Thanks a lot.
[05:22] <juano__> Oly: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:22] <Oly> kk
[05:23] <Oly> okay there
[05:23] <surgy> ide hard dicks are labeled as "hda" and sata are listed as "sda" right?
[05:23] <Tonren> Anyone?  How do I remove a process from bootup?
[05:23] <juano__> Oly: pastebin the contents please
[05:23] <Tonren> surgy: Freudian slip?
[05:24] <Oly> Ahh. okay let me log onto that computer then* i'll come in as eisenbergs*
[05:24] <juano__> Tonren: check System settings --> advanced, services
[05:24] <surgy> so if the computer has 1 ide hdd and an ipod the ipod whould be "hdb" right?
[05:24] <surgy> tonren: what?
[05:24] <juano__> Oly: ok
[05:24] <Tonren> juano__: System Settings?!  This is KDE, not Gnome, dude!
[05:24] <Tonren> ... <       surgy > ide hard dicks are ...
[05:25] <juano__> Tonren: why dont u click the lower left menu and see what it sais on the 5th icon
[05:25] <intelikey> jarn observ: echo 'echo $SHLVL' > something.sh ;. something.sh ;bash something.sh ;sh something.sh ;chmod 755 something.sh ;./something.sh
[05:25] <surgy> tonren: ATA (not sata) but 80 pin ribbon cables
[05:25] <Tonren> juano__: AH!  There we go.  Thanks.
[05:25] <intelikey> jarn run that test string.  :)
[05:25] <juano__> Tonren: lol
[05:26] <Tonren> juano__: Hmm... lighttpd isn't there.
[05:26] <juano__> Tonren: plus, in gnome its System ---> Preferences       or System ---> administration
[05:26] <Tonren> Ah yeah
[05:26] <_AnitA_> Hi juano_ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54091 wicht one should I download?
[05:26] <jarn> intelikey: What is $SHLVL?
[05:27] <intelikey> shell level
[05:27] <intelikey> counts nesting
[05:27] <jarn> intelikey: Ah.
[05:27] <juano__> eisenbergs: pastebin your xorg.conf
[05:27] <intelikey> you can take that string apart at any and all  ;
[05:28] <slyfox> Please help, when  I try to run Kate via terminal:
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <jarn> intelikey: That's really interesting.
[05:28] <juano__> _AnitA_: download the one that sais amsn only
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <Jucato> !pastebin | slyfox
[05:28] <ubotu> slyfox: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <slyfox> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[05:28] <juano__> slyfox: we get it
[05:28] <slyfox> KCrash: Application 'kate' crashing...
[05:28] <slyfox> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[05:28] <slyfox> Xlib: No protocol specified
[05:28] <slyfox> drkonqi: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[05:28] <slyfox> Jucato: sorry about that.
[05:29] <slyfox> any idieas? I just installed a fresh copy of Kubuntu and also did a KDE 3.5.6 update
[05:29] <juano__> Jucato: hi there
[05:29] <Jucato> slyfox: how are you trying to run kate? what command are you using? and from where? (root or regular user?)
[05:29] <_AnitA_> Hi juano_ http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=54091 wicht one should I download?
[05:29] <Jucato> hi juano__
[05:30] <juano__> slyfox: try gksudo kate myfile
[05:30] <slyfox> Thsi one for example
[05:30] <slyfox> sudo kate /etc/auto.master
[05:30] <juano__> slyfox: use gksudo not sudo for GUI
[05:30] <torik> @find
[05:30] <Jucato> juano__: no
[05:30] <Jucato> slyfox: use kdesu kate
[05:30] <Tonren> Hey, can anyone tell me wtf is going on here?: http://inspiranity.com/pics/kcontrolwtf.jpg
[05:30] <intelikey> jarn the first    ". something.sh"  sourced the file  if there had been an exit command in there it would have closed your konsole.  the rest all ran in a 'sub-shell'  as denoted by the SHLVL variably.  even the one that was ./something.sh   which most don't notice that it subshells the command because it's executable.
[05:30] <Jucato> juano__: gksudo is for GNOME only
[05:31] <juano__> Jucato: works here, im in KDE
[05:31] <Jucato> juano__: you installed KDE over Ubuntu?
[05:31] <juano__> Jucato: yep kubuntu-desktop and KDE
[05:31] <jetta2dr> hi
[05:31] <slyfox> Jucato: kdesu works, but sudo kate used to work in my previosu kubutnu installation, now it does not
[05:31] <Jucato> juano__: if you have GNOME/Ubuntu installed, gksudo will also be installed
[05:31] <jarn> intelikey: Why would it have closed my konsole?
[05:31] <Jucato> !kdesu | slyfox
[05:31] <ubotu> slyfox: In KDE, use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[05:31] <slyfox> juano__:  does sudo kate work for you ?
[05:31] <juano__> Jucato: ahh i see..
[05:32] <intelikey> it's the same as typing streight into the konsole.    exit  means exit
[05:32] <juano__> Jucato: i though gksudo was for both, sorry my bad, i though g for gnome and k for kde
[05:32] <juano__> !gksudo
[05:32] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use gksudo, as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using "sudo <GUI-application>"
[05:32] <slyfox> Wow, this is new
[05:32] <intelikey> jarn or at least that tab of the konsole
[05:32] <jontec> anyone know of a way I could kind of VNC with command prompt?
[05:33] <slyfox> but still am curious to why it used to work in my previous installation and does not work now ?
[05:33] <Tonren> jontec: You seem to be referring to SSH.
[05:33] <Tonren> jontec: It's a way to log into a remote machine's command line.
[05:33] <Jucato> slyfox: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. the problem is if it messes up your system
[05:33] <jontec> Tonren: well... not really... I want to be able to control what's up on the screen, but not see the screen myself
[05:33] <jetta2dr> k uh i have a problem with my computer related to hardware... i put in a new power supply because the computer wouldnt turn on. when i turned it on it smelled like burnt wires.... do any of u guys think warenty would handle this?????????
[05:34] <juano__> Jucato: ahh kdesu it is then :-), thanks didnt know that
[05:34] <intelikey> jarn#  echo $SHLVL ;. something.sh
[05:34] <jarn> intelikey: Was that supposed to close the tab?
[05:35] <slyfox> juano__: so we should from now on use kdesu instead of sudo ?
[05:35] <juano__> Oly:
[05:35] <juano__> slyfox: to run GUI applications yes , use kdesu in KDE , and gksudo for gnome
[05:36] <jontec> Tonren: thing is... I don't have a away to set my computer at school up for a ip... but I can use LogMeIn to get into a windows computer... if I had a VNC server running on the target computer, then by accessing the windows computer a using the command-line vnc, I could get to it... I think.
[05:36] <slyfox> Jucato: Can you please see if something is wrong with my system: http://pastebin.com/867665
[05:36] <intelikey> jarn no.     exit   would.
[05:36] <juano__> Oly: you there? any luck?
[05:36] <Tonren> jontec: Hmm... I dunno, man.
[05:37] <jarn> intelikey: Ah.
[05:37] <jetta2dr> anyone???
[05:37] <intelikey> jarn echo 'exit' >> something.sh ;. something.sh     <<< that puts exit in the file and then sources it.   should close the tab.
[05:38] <MrWGW> brb
[05:38] <slyfox> jetta2dr: call them before you burn it
[05:38] <jarn> intelikey: Thanks, I think I understand sh now.
[05:38] <jetta2dr> hahahaha
[05:38] <intelikey> that's what i was saying about using ". filename"    it's sourced not shelled...
[05:39] <intelikey> ok i'll quit.
[05:39] <intelikey> :)
[05:40] <jontec> hey, Tonren... look at this package....
[05:40] <jontec> !x11vnc | Tonren
[05:40] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[05:40] <jontec> tonren: d'you think this is what I need?
[05:40] <eisenbergs> juano: kay what u want me to c and p over?
[05:41] <Tonren> jontec: I'm not sure.. I don't fully grok your situation.  You'll have to experiment!
[05:41] <slyfox> Jucato: my only consern is that I just installed fresh copy of Kubuntu and KDE 3.5.6  sudo kate used to work in my previous installation and now it does not. I just want to know if my system is massed up or everything is fine and KDE 3.5.6 prevents users from running sudo kate ?
[05:41] <intelikey> !ssh
[05:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:41] <juano__> eisenbergs: pastebin your xorg.conf
[05:41] <eisenbergs> pastebin.com?
[05:41] <juano__> !paste | eisenbergs:
[05:41] <ubotu> eisenbergs:: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:41] <intelikey> i need to burn a disk.  back later...     maybe.
[05:42] <eisenbergs> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2946/
[05:42] <juano__> eisenbergs: sec
[05:44] <jontec> okay I have a package that stalled in the middle of install... it was java... it gave me the screen to accept the license and adept wouldn't let me press any keys (this was about a week ago... and now I need to install a package) what do I do? I've tried the man pages... I need a quick fix
[05:45] <_AnitA_>  Juano_ this "how to" is working aswell  to install anothers programs like amule???thx
[05:45] <galfrid> hello
[05:45] <juano__> eisenbergs: did you install nvidia drivers?
[05:45] <juano__> eisenbergs: at all?
[05:46] <eisenbergs> idk. i thought they were defualt...
[05:46] <InuDuelist> Hey, anyone know how to set a permission for a folder and every file and folder inside of that folder?
[05:46] <eisenbergs> this is  a fresh copy*
[05:46] <juano__> !nvidia  |  eisenbergs:
[05:46] <ubotu> eisenbergs:: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:46] <juano__> eisenbergs: follow those instructions to install the nvidia driver
[05:46] <eisenbergs> alright
[05:47] <juano__> eisenbergs: once youve done that, lets see if you can boot properly
[05:48] <slyfox> eisenbergs: here is an easy way http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:48] <slyfox> eisenbergs: I jsut installed it
[05:48] <tonyy_on_kde> I just selected the folder for my music collection in Amarok.  How do I make a playlist containing the entire collection?
[05:49] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: select all and maybe right click and add to playlsit ?
[05:50] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: Ah, okay.  (I'm used to Rhythmbox, where you just click play...)  Thought there'd be a more direct route.
[05:50] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: I am just a noob :-)
[05:50] <slyfox> So I just reinstalled fresh Kubuntu, which codecs do I need to play all the media files ?
[05:51] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: :)  I'm only a KDE newbie.  I normally use Gnome (or no graphics at all...), but this weekend I'm playing around.
[05:51] <tonyy_on_kde> !restricted
[05:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:51] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: how do you like it? I found KDE to be well made for productivity, lots of usefull utilities
[05:52] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: will this work? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[05:52] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: It's a little bit heavy for me usually, and I have to muck with a lot of defaults to get the sort of behaviour I'm used to, but it's nice.
[05:53] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: That page is probably right, but I'd compare the command to the one on the wiki, since the wiki is usually more up to date.
[05:53] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: but this is a wiki, no ?
[05:54] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: I mean the official wiki, rather.
[05:55] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: which one is the official one? I though that this was the official one ?
[05:56] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[05:57] <slyfox> tonyy_on_kde: the one I gave you is the official Ubuntu 6.10 guide
[05:58] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: Unofficial rather.  See the top of the page :)
[06:03] <masterloki> Hi, I have a broadcom 4318 but no wireless networks are detected
[06:03] <masterloki> it seems my card is off
[06:03] <slyfox> Someone please help with kate http://pastebin.com/867673
[06:03] <masterloki>  but i cant turn it on
[06:03] <masterloki> My laptop is an Acer Aspire 5002
[06:03] <slyfox> masterloki: get knetwork manager and enable wireless
[06:04] <masterloki> when I try
[06:05] <Tonren> How do I get the US english w/ deadkeys keyboard layout?
[06:05] <masterloki> slyfox: when I try to enable it disiable
[06:05] <slyfox> masterloki: huh ?
[06:07] <slyfox> Help with Kate please http://pastebin.com/867673
[06:07] <lebifteksauvage> masterloki: i have the problem
[06:07] <masterloki> lebifteksauvage: ?_?
[06:08] <lebifteksauvage> with wireless
[06:08] <masterloki> lebifteksauvage: you cant turn it on neither?
[06:09] <masterloki> lebifteksauvage: I suspect is an acpi problem
[06:09] <lebifteksauvage> yeah , with the same broadcom
[06:09] <masterloki> lebifteksauvage: on my lap lspci say I have the driver
[06:09] <lebifteksauvage> same , i have some problem with it
[06:12] <Jucato> slyfox: that's not a Kate problem/error
[06:12] <Jucato> rawr!! I'm getting lagged...
[06:12] <slyfox> Jucato: :-( I was so excited. I got a fresh kubunut nad latest kde and now I cant use Kate :-( So what seems to be the problem ?
[06:14] <Jucato> sorry about that... slyfox still there?
[06:14] <Jucato> slyfox: those errors are not Kate's.
[06:14] <Jucato> slyfox: Kate still runs even if those errors show up
[06:14] <slyfox> yes
[06:14] <slyfox> slyfox: yes, I can start kate
[06:14] <slyfox> but I cannot get to teh sources file
[06:14] <slyfox> let me see if I can get to some otehr file
[06:15] <Jucato> slyfox: ok, just run "kdesu kate" and open sources.list from there
[06:15] <Jucato> slyfox: or try running "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" in Alt+F2 instead of Konsole
[06:15] <slyfox> Jucato: kdesu kate  gives the same msitake
[06:15] <Jucato> slyfox: ignore those errors
[06:17] <slyfox> Jucato: this worked. But I am very concerned about these errors
[06:17] <slyfox> Jucato: should I reinstall Kubuntu
[06:17] <slyfox> ?
[06:17] <slyfox> and not update to kde 3.5.6 ?
[06:18] <Jucato> slyfox: no. those errors are nothing. don't be concerned about them
[06:18] <Jucato> they're just saying that they can't detect any tablet. Xorg in Ubuntu is configured, by default, to support pointing devices that are handled by those wacom tablet entries in xorg.conf
[06:19] <slyfox> Jucato: but my convern is that I jad a working kubuntu few hours ago untill I did a fresh reintall and applied KDE 3.5.6  and not kate does not work :-(
[06:19] <Under-Ground> what is kubuntu?
[06:19] <Under-Ground> hi
[06:19] <Under-Ground> :)
[06:19] <Jucato> !kubuntu | Under-Ground
[06:19] <ubotu> Under-Ground: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[06:19] <slyfox> Jucato: "can't detect any tablet."  what is a tablet ?
[06:19] <Under-Ground> ty
[06:19] <Jucato> slyfox: how does kate not work? you said it still runs
[06:20] <eisenbergs> hey. can someone help me get adept to work?
[06:20] <slyfox> Jucato: It stopped working in terminal when I tried "sudo kate" I was then told to use "kdesu kate" instead and it worked but a few launches later neither one works..  ALT+F2 is the only one that still works
[06:20] <Jucato> slyfox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet
[06:21] <Ertain> What are the hotkeys for changing from one virtual desktop to another?
[06:21] <Jucato> slyfox: because you are never supposed to use sudo with GUI apps. even if they worked before
[06:21] <tonyy_on_kde> Ertain: Not sure of defaults - I set custom ones.
[06:21] <Jucato> slyfox: those errors that you are so concerned about have nothing to do with Kate at all
[06:21] <slyfox> Jucato: ok, forget about that then, why does it just not work, was it me that did something ?
[06:21] <Jucato> Ertain: Ctrl+Tab by default, iirc
[06:22] <Jucato> slyfox: <slyfox> slyfox: yes, I can start kate <--- I thought you said it works? you can launch Kate as root with "kdesu kate".
[06:22] <eisenbergs> hey. when ever something requests a password its the same one u log in with right?
[06:22] <Jucato> ha he left...
[06:23] <Jucato> eisenbergs: yes (unless it's you're e-mail's password :P )
[06:23] <eisenbergs> righto
[06:23] <slyfox> Jucato: kdesu kate does not work for me when I write it in the treminal
[06:23] <eisenbergs> Uh. okay well Adept manager keeps saying its database is locked*
[06:23] <eisenbergs> Any idea how i can fix this 2 install a package*?
[06:23] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | eisenbergs
[06:23] <ubotu> eisenbergs: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:24] <Jucato> slyfox: side from those baddevice errors, what other errors do you get when running just "kdesu kate"?
[06:24] <Jucato> slyfox: or better yet, close Konsole, then open it up again, and try "kdesu kate" there again
[06:24] <eisenbergs> jucato: i just got usage sudo with a bunch of stuff and another line of more commands
[06:24] <Tonren> Can someone tell me wtf is going on here, please?: http://inspiranity.com/pics/kcontrolwtf.jpg
[06:25] <xsacha> woah
[06:25] <Jucato> eisenbergs: did you enter the commands properly?
[06:25] <eisenbergs> *tries again*
[06:25] <xsacha> Tonren: click admin mode?
[06:25] <slyfox> Jucato: same error as in pastebin, but it worked now !
[06:26] <Jucato> slyfox: ok, learn to ignore those errors. there are harmless but annoying
[06:26] <Tonren> xsacha: Yes - you can tell from the red outline
[06:26] <slyfox> Jucato: thank you, I have next problem
[06:27] <slyfox> Jucato: I am following this guide http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[06:27] <xsacha> Tonren: try kdesu kcontrol  ?
[06:27] <Jucato> slyfox: those are for GNOME
[06:27] <slyfox> Jucato:
[06:27] <slyfox> Package gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:27] <slyfox> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:27] <slyfox> is only available from another source
[06:27] <slyfox> E: Package gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg has no installation candidate
[06:27] <slyfox> slyfox@laptopishe:~$
[06:27] <Tonren> !paste | slyfox
[06:27] <Jucato> !pastebin | slyfox
[06:27] <ubotu> slyfox: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:28] <slyfox> crap, again I am flooding :-)
[06:28] <Tonren> Wow... was ubotu smart enough to know not to send the same paste twice?
[06:28] <Jucato> slyfox: ignore those instructions. those are for GNOME only
[06:28] <Tonren> I'm pretty impressed by that.
[06:28] <slyfox> Jucato: where do I find info for kubuntu for codecs then ?
[06:28] <Jucato> well, actually, for both GNOME and KDE... but more than you need
[06:28] <Jucato> !codecs | slyfox
[06:28] <ubotu> slyfox: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:28] <slyfox> Jucato: but they are not isntalling because of this one codec
[06:28] <Tonren> xsacha: That does absolutely nothing, surprisingly.
[06:29] <Jucato> slyfox: for mp3's, you need "libxine-extracodecs" but you need to have multiverse enabled
[06:29] <xsacha> hmm, not sure, .. it's working here
[06:29] <Jucato> !multiverse | slyfox
[06:29] <ubotu> slyfox: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:29] <Tonren> xsacha: I had to sudo it... generated some vterm errors, but...
[06:29] <xsacha> kdesu isnt working for some reason?
[06:29] <juano__> eisenbergs: did you install the drivers?
[06:29] <slyfox> what is the command to apt-get UNinstall something ?
[06:29] <xsacha> slyfox: yep that's it
[06:29] <Jucato> slyfox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 for MP3's, scroll down a bit for the Kubuntu instructions
[06:29] <Jucato> xsacha: ??
[06:30] <Jucato> slyfox: sudo apt-get remove <something>
[06:30] <tonyy_on_kde> slyfox: apt-get remove
[06:30] <xsacha> slyfox: apt-get remove
[06:30] <Tonren> xsacha: Nope, isn't working
[06:31] <chevy69chevelle> hey ppls, i got a question for you
[06:31] <xsacha> Tonren: yeah, that's it -- just kdesu isnt working for some reason -- tried kdesu on anything else?
[06:31] <meteor-1500> i'm running kubuntu amd64, anyone know if there is a flash player plugin for amd64 that'll work?
[06:31] <intelikey> chevy69chevelle the answer is 27
[06:31] <slyfox> waht does "sudo cp -p "  what does -p mean ?
[06:31] <chevy69chevelle> why is it when i try to launch an mp3 into amarok using katapult it says "no suitable input plugin"
[06:31] <intelikey> :)
[06:32] <xsacha> slyfox:   -p same as --preserve=mode,ownership,timestamps
[06:32] <chevy69chevelle> intelikey: OH shoot, i was trying 16
[06:32] <Tonren> xsacha: Doesn't seem to work on anything
[06:32] <intelikey> !mp3 | chevy69chevelle
[06:32] <ubotu> chevy69chevelle: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:32] <xsacha> Tonren: not good :( maybe reinstall it
[06:33] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: try playing an MP3 directly in Amarok. if you're on Kubuntu Edgy, you'll be asked if you want to install the MP3 codecs
[06:33] <Tonren> xsacha: Reinstall kdesu?  There's no such package..
[06:33] <Tonren> Can anyone offer an opinion on why the font is garbled in this window?  http://inspiranity.com/pics/kcontrolwtf.jpg
[06:34] <intelikey> Jucato hmmm so edgy is just || that close to a complete departure from gnu ?
[06:34] <Jucato> intelikey: why?
[06:34] <slyfox> In repositories I have enabled Multiverse and I stil lget this erro
[06:34] <slyfox> E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[06:34] <chevy69chevelle> jucato: I am using dapper, and it does play when i try directly from amarok
[06:34] <slyfox> Maybe I need to update first? - apt-get udpate ?
[06:34] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: ah, you have to  manually install libxine-extracodecs then
[06:35] <mikejanssen> meh
[06:35] <intelikey> Jucato only thing left to do is just install the codecs on the default installation....
[06:35] <mikejanssen> 69 chevelle
[06:35] <mikejanssen> booooo
[06:35] <Jucato> slyfox: sudo apt-get update
[06:35] <mikejanssen> go 67
[06:35] <mikejanssen> = )
[06:35] <xsacha> Tonren: kdelibs5 and/or kdebase-bin
[06:35] <sparr> hooray for kubuntu's default kernel recognizing my IDE raid controller!  still missing my NIC and sound, but ill get those working once i can upgrade
[06:35] <slyfox> Jucato: I still get this Couldn't find package gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiver
[06:35] <Jucato> intelikey: it's still not installed by default. the script only automates the enabling of the multiverse repository
[06:35] <Tonren> xsacha: That sounds risky to reinstall
[06:35] <chevy69chevelle> mikejanssen: if i had a 67 i would go 67, i'm sure if you had a 69 you would go 69 :P
[06:35] <Jucato> slyfox: why do you insist on installing that, when you won't need/use it?
[06:36] <mikejanssen> meh, 69 i dont like the style of too much
[06:36] <mikejanssen> 67 = i dream of
[06:36] <Jucato> slyfox: I already told you that "libxine-extracodecs" is the only thing you need to play MP3's on Kubuntu. GStreamer is for Ubuntu/GNOME
[06:36] <slyfox> Jucato: I do not, I just follow the guide from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats   and it has this huge line with all the codecs to be pasted into terminal and that is what I get whenI paste it n
 slyfox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/MP3 for MP3's, scroll down a bit for the Kubuntu instructions
[06:36] <sparr> slyfox: you havent added 'multiverse' to your sources
[06:37] <jarn> How do I make a command run from the terminal quiet, not put any text into the terminal and let me keep using the terminal?
[06:37] <sparr> slyfox: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and put " multiverse" after "universe" on the uncommented lines
[06:37] <Jucato> slyfox: also, I think you didn't add multiverse, but enabled the wrong multiverse
[06:37] <chevy69chevelle> I like the 69's actually, i like how the ass end sticks up a bit higher(on mine newayz) and the tail lights are a little squarer, i don't like the later years so much when they started going to dual headlights rather then quad though
[06:37] <intelikey> howto make kde "NOT" notice when i mount a cd from a konsole ?
[06:37] <slyfox> let me see
[06:37] <sparr> tricky to use the ubuntu instructions for kubuntu there...  those gnome guys have a package manager manager that can modify their sources for them
[06:37] <Eruantalon> jarn: Many programs hava quit option if you use with & after tyhe command it will be in the background
[06:37] <mikejanssen> my friend has a 70
[06:37] <jarn> Eruantalon: Thanks.
[06:37] <mikejanssen> well he's on his 2nd 70
[06:38] <mikejanssen> and my friends dad has a bright red 67 SS
[06:38] <mikejanssen> i <3 that car...
[06:38] <jarn> Eruantalon: That's exactly what I was looking for, I remembered it was something like that but couldn't remember exactly.
[06:38] <tonyy_on_kde> Can you change the order of groups in the vertical arrangement in Kopete?
[06:38] <Eruantalon> But i would just fireup another tab en konsol and have the program run there
[06:39] <sparr> jarn: be careful with &, it wont stop stderr from coming to the terminal.  and the program will end if you log out.  'nohup' is a command you may want to investigate
[06:39] <slyfox> sparr: This is what I have http://pastebin.com/867676
[06:39] <slyfox> Jucato:  This is what I have http://pastebin.com/867676
[06:39] <tonyy_on_kde> How can I make Konversation beep / make some default sound when my nick is said?  I only saw an option to choose a custom sound.
[06:39] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: Settings -> Configure Notifications
[06:40] <intelikey> jucato howto make kde "NOT" notice when i mount a cd from a konsole ?
[06:40] <Jucato> slyfox: in lines 20 and 21, and the word "multiverse" after "universe"
[06:40] <intelikey> err console
[06:40] <sparr> damn you for making me launch a web browser off the live cd  :)
[06:40] <tonyy_on_kde> Jucato: Okay, I clicked turn on all sounds.  Should that do it?
[06:40] <Eruantalon> tonyy_on_kde:
[06:40] <tonyy_on_kde> nope
[06:40] <Eruantalon> did it work?
[06:40] <tonyy_on_kde> dang
[06:40] <Jucato> intelikey: try KControl -> Peripherals -> Storage Media
[06:40] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: no
[06:40] <juano__> Oly: eisenbergs how are you managing with NVIDIA?
[06:40] <intelikey> k
[06:41] <intelikey> didn't think of Peripherals
[06:41] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: just the "someone wrote your nick in a message"
[06:41] <slyfox> Jucato: it should be like this ?
[06:41] <chevy69chevelle> ya 67 SS was my dream car, then i came across a smoken deal on a 69 so the tide turned lol, i'm actually suprised to see another linux user into old classics, most ppl i meet drive POS honda's, or in my room mate's case, a neon on steroeds(SRT-4)
[06:41] <slyfox> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[06:41] <slyfox> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[06:41] <Jucato> intelikey: KControl groupings are not the best :)
[06:41] <Jucato> slyfox: yes
[06:41] <intelikey> :)
[06:41] <mikejanssen> heh
[06:42] <Jucato> intelikey: it was one of the goals of system settings. get a KDE usability expert and rearrange them in a more logical order/grouping
[06:42] <mikejanssen> i wish i had cashflow, i'd totally own a few oldies
[06:42] <tonyy_on_kde> Jucato: It only gives me a line to browse for a sound file.  Isn't there a system theme to just turn on?
[06:42] <mikejanssen> 67 chevelle...67-69 camaro...maybe a few others
[06:42] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: not by default. don't you like it that you're able to choose what sound will annoy you? :P
[06:43] <intelikey> Jucato it's just that i don't normally consider inbox things as Peripheral,  althought the hd is only connected via a cable to the mother board.
[06:44] <chevy69chevelle> 69 charger.. go gereral lee(only reason i like the car) lol
[06:44] <tonyy_on_kde> Jucato: Well, I like that the feature's there yes - but usually things have "Play a sound" and "choose a custom one"
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: define a peripheral :)
[06:44] <Jucato> intelikey: a video card is a peripheral too
[06:44] <mikejanssen> lol
[06:44] <intelikey> exactly
[06:44] <mikejanssen> i wouldnt mind an old mustang either
[06:44] <chevy69chevelle> jucato: I did install them already, first thing i did :P
[06:45] <chevy69chevelle> gt250 or a gt500
[06:45] <chevy69chevelle> buddy of mine has a 71 mach1
[06:45] <intelikey> well the head always was.  the card....  heh if it's onboard vidio would it still be Peripheral ?
[06:45] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: what do you mean? I can see those options in COnfigure Notifications too
[06:45] <mikejanssen> heh
[06:45] <mikejanssen> 500
[06:45] <Jucato> intelikey: yes
[06:46] <tonyy_on_kde> Jucato: as in if I'm in a hurry I should be able to just enable some sound theme, but if I'm into customization, I can make them all what I want.
[06:46] <intelikey> ok i'll drop back to my default definition on that.   a Peripheral is anything outside the box.
[06:46] <intelikey> that's my def. ^  :)
[06:46] <slyfox> Jucato: ok, Amarok is automatically getting the needed codecs, what about video ?
[06:47] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not a very accurate definition...
[06:47] <intelikey> !worksforme
[06:47] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[06:48] <Jucato> slyfox: libxine-extracodces also handles AVI's and other videos. you need w32codecs for Windows Media
[06:48] <Jucato> tonyy_on_kde: not really sure. it's up to the app's developers if they want to have a sound notification default theme for their app. main KDE does not control those
[06:48] <intelikey> what would be accurate ?    'everything outside the cpu?'
[06:48] <Jucato> specially Konversation, which is not part of the main KDE release
[06:49] <Jucato> intelikey: that's a bit more accurate. although I think RAM isn't a peripheral
[06:49] <slyfox> Jucato: which database type do you use ?
[06:49] <intelikey> heh
[06:49] <Jucato> anything outside the CPU/ALU and Main Memory would probably be a more accurate definition
[06:49] <Jucato> slyfox: for Amarok? the default SQLite
[06:50] <slyfox> Jucato: I have about 200 gigs of music. Is SQLite ok ?
[06:50] <tonyy_on_kde> Jucato: Ah, gotcha.  Oh well, I found one that works for now.
[06:50] <Jucato> slyfox: 200GB?!?!?!
[06:50] <akrus> SQLite is okay
[06:50] <Jucato> that I'm not sure. and my suggestion is that you add them to your collection in groups, not in one whole process
[06:50] <slyfox> akrus: sure? I heard that for big ones you need mysql
[06:51] <akrus> slyfox: yeah, but it will work :)
[06:51] <slyfox> Jucato: yeah, groups is what I do
[06:51] <akrus> SQLite is just a text file :)
[06:51] <akrus> hehe
[06:51] <akrus> just with tabs
[06:51] <chevy69chevelle> I still can't figure out why it won't play my mp3's in amarok when i try launching via katapult but it will if i play them right through ammaroc. says invalid input plugin: this often means the url protocol is not supported
[06:51] <intelikey> tonyy_on_kde long time no C++  :)
[06:51] <Tido> whenever I start up beryl-manager on my laptop, it runs ok but I always get this error in the console: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 157
[06:52] <slyfox> akrus: MYsql is complex for me, I am coming from windows and back there I just had one database file for my entire music and that was good. Here when I started looking at MYsql, I was like wow... thsi is complex...
[06:52] <akrus> :)
[06:52] <akrus> well
[06:52] <akrus> if you already have MySQL installed
[06:52] <surgy> !java
[06:52] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:52] <slyfox> akrus: one file is also easy to backup and I undertand how
[06:52] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: are you sure you installed libxine-extracodecs?
[06:52] <akrus> then use MySQL, it would be faster
[06:52] <akrus> SQLite is just a single file
[06:52] <akrus> not like MySQL db structure
[06:52] <chevy69chevelle> jucato: I am 100% sure
[06:53] <akrus> Tido: nVidia/ATI?
[06:53] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: ah dapper right?
[06:53] <slyfox> is MySQL easy to backup, is it just one file also? Or many many folders and files ?
[06:53] <chevy69chevelle> jucato: correct
[06:53] <intelikey> do you have to run some script on that ^
[06:53] <Tido> akrus: integrated Intel
[06:53] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: Katapult bug :)
[06:53] <akrus> Tido: oh then no idea o_O
[06:53] <Tido> kk
[06:53] <akrus> slyfox: MySQL is a folder :)
[06:53] <chevy69chevelle> jucato: It use to work for me when i was running it before, is it a bug with an update they did?
[06:53] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs
[06:53] <akrus> slyfox: in /var/lib/mysql/
[06:53] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[06:53] <Jucato> chevy69chevelle: iirc, yes
[06:53] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs dapper
[06:54] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), package size 1148 kB, installed size 2976 kB
[06:54] <akrus> slyfox: MySQL is better for big databases, SQLite for little (up 10000~50000 records)
[06:54] <slyfox> akrus: but first I need to get the MySQL server and then run it ?
[06:54] <elyon225> So, I'm considering (eek!) reinstalling Windows for gaming... now, I know that when I do, I won't be able to boot into Linux.  So using the live CD, what must I do to get GRUB back where it belongs?
[06:54] <akrus> slyfox: it's simple :)
[06:54] <akrus> slyfox: just apt-get install mysql-server
[06:55] <chevy69chevelle> lol nutz. what's the main differance between edgy and dapper?
[06:55] <akrus> elyon225: in konsole: sudo update-grub
[06:55] <elyon225> akrus: That's it?
[06:55] <slyfox> akrus: wow 32 mg, so big
[06:55] <akrus> elyon225: likely :)
[06:55] <akrus> slyfox: then use SQLite :P
[06:55] <akrus> hehe^^
[06:56] <akrus> Jucato: what messenger are you using under Linux?
[06:56] <Jucato> akrus: Kopete
[06:56] <slyfox> akrus: that is ok, I can spare space for my music collection
[06:56] <akrus> T_T
[06:56] <Linux_Galore> heres a hard one, how to I regress a package because its breaking my install, ie liglu1-mesa
[06:56] <akrus> ICQ File Transports not supported
[06:56] <akrus> & some problems with Unicode...
[06:56] <intelikey> akrus update-grub won't write the mbr will it ?
[06:56] <akrus> slyfox: :)
[06:56] <akrus> intelikey: it will
[06:56] <akrus> hm
[06:56] <slyfox> Do you guys use Kontakt to stay organized ?
[06:56] <akrus> or no?
[06:56] <intelikey> i think no
[06:56] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: sudo apt-get install package=exact_version
[06:56] <slyfox> Kontact
[06:57] <akrus> I don't remember, that's the way I fixed my bootloader o_O
[06:57] <akrus> sudo grub-install?
[06:57] <Jucato> slyfox: I use Kontact... but I don't think I'm organized just by using it...
[06:57] <akrus> install-grub
[06:57] <akrus> I'm always confused with the way they named the executables :)
[06:57] <intelikey> grub-install will
[06:57] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yeah, my problem is for some reason adept has installed a weird version of liblgu1-mesa
[06:57] <akrus> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[06:57] <akrus> or something like~
[06:58] <slyfox> Jucato: yeah :-) I am going on a taks of unsubscribing from many RSS feeds, getting read ot gmail manager plugin for firefox and other bullcrap :-)
[06:58] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: when?
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: its actually a cvs version so its broken allot of stuff
[06:58] <surgy> whats the "deb-src" for the multiverse repo?
[06:58] <slyfox> Jucato: I found that TiddlyWiki is the best thing to use.
[06:58] <akrus> surgy: sources?
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: a while back, Ive back tracked it to the kubuntu repo
[06:58] <akrus> surgy: partial sources? :)
[06:58] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hm...
[06:58] <slyfox> akrus: I am still getting that MySQL server, please also tell me how to make it work with Amarok once I get it
[06:58] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: kubuntu.org repo?
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: its not on the repo anymore but its left me with a broken dep problem
[06:59] <surgy> akrus: for some reason my install doesnt have the multiverse repos in sources.list i need the repo
[06:59] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: ah....
[06:59] <akrus> slyfox: actually I never used it
[06:59] <Jucato> surgy: you just add "multiverse" to the end of the line that goes like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe" (presuming you are on edgy)
[06:59] <elyon225> I can't install sun-java5-jre... for some reason it says it's referred to by another package but is unavailable.
[07:00] <akrus> slyfox: mysql -uroot
[07:00] <Jucato> elyon225: do you have "multiverse" enabled?
[07:00] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: its newer than whats on the repo, looks like they added the package then realised its not such a bright idea
[07:00] <akrus> slyfox: then CREATE DATABASE `amarok`;
[07:00] <elyon225> Jucato: yep
[07:00] <Jucato> the *correct* multiverse?
[07:00] <akrus> slyfox: should work :)
[07:00] <intelikey> akrus well i just ran update-grub to make sure.  it made a /boot/grub/menu.lst   but i know it didn't do anything to the mbr   cause grub won't work on this box.   so in short  no it doesn't write the mbr.
[07:00] <elyon225> Jucato: Well, I have whichever one was in the list when I installed Kubuntu
[07:00] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: I'm not sure if that would be from a kubuntu.org repository, as they don't package Xorg related stuff
[07:00] <Jucato> elyon225: then that one isn't enough
[07:00] <akrus> intelikey: okay :)
[07:00] <surgy> thank you
[07:00] <Jucato> elyon225: you have to add "multiverse" to the end of the line that goes like "deb http://xx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe" (presuming you are on edgy)
[07:00] <makuseru> !ipod
[07:00] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: the package history points at ubuntu
[07:01] <akrus> Feisty!
[07:01] <akrus> o_O
[07:01] <akrus> oh btw have someone already switched to KDE 3.5.6?
[07:01] <akrus> something noticeable? :)
[07:01] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: what's the exact version number?
[07:02] <Jucato> akrus: the password box, most notably
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: 6.5.1+cvs20060824
[07:02] <akrus> Jucato: it was here since feisty alpha two
[07:02] <Jucato> akrus: you were asking about 3.5.6 :)
[07:02] <akrus> hehe :)
[07:02] <soulrider> i ahve kde 3.5.6
[07:02] <meteor-1500> every time i'm trying to compile something i'm getting configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[07:02] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hm...
[07:02] <meteor-1500> this is a fresh 6.10 load, any ideas?
[07:02] <soulrider> i havnt noticed anything
[07:02] <akrus> I wish Kopete fixed ICQ bugs :x
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: all my other gl packages are about a week earlier and not cvs
[07:03] <akrus> meteor-1500: sudo apt-get install gcc
[07:03] <intelikey> meteor-1500 you have installed build-essential ?
[07:03] <akrus> oh c++
[07:03] <akrus> intelikey: isn't it installed by default?
[07:03] <meteor-1500> akrus: that's there
[07:03] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hm...
[07:03] <intelikey> no
[07:03] <Jucato> akrus: no
[07:03] <meteor-1500> intelikey: ah thanks
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: if i try and revert the machine it wants to remove xorg and all desktop apps
[07:04] <intelikey> !b-e
[07:04] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:04] <elyon225> Jucato: Yep... was missing that. Thank you.
[07:04] <akrus> !repositories
[07:04] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:04] <elyon225> Now, stupid question... I don't suppose it is possible to BOOT from an ISO, is it?
[07:04] <akrus> O_O
[07:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: becuase it most probably upgraded everything to the version in that repository
[07:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: are you on feisty, by any chance?
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: yep
[07:04] <Jucato> er...
[07:04] <intelikey> elyon225 yes it is.  it's just not so easy.
[07:05] <Jucato> !info libglu1-mesa feisty
[07:05] <ubotu> libglu1-mesa: The OpenGL utility library (GLU). In component main, is extra. Version 6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 248 kB, installed size 600 kB
[07:05] <elyon225> intelikey: Dangerous?
[07:05] <akrus> Feisty rulez :D
[07:05] <intelikey> elyon225 idk.
[07:05] <Jucato> hm... and yet feisty doesn't have that cvs repo...
[07:05] <sparr> i hate having to drill holes in my case.  had to drill THREE for this new hardware
[07:05] <akrus> Linux_Galore: what's the problem by the way?
[07:05] <sparr> 2 screwholes for the PSU, 1 for the mobo
[07:05] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: most of my gl stuff has the same release date as that, accept this one stupid package
[07:05] <intelikey> elyon225 would probably require lilo  i don't think grub could do it.
[07:06] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: you didn't add some compiz or beryl repos did you?
[07:06] <elyon225> intelikey: Hmm.. I have a DVD iso, but no DVD burner :)
[07:06] <Linux_Galore> akrus: one package installed from the repo thats broken my deps tree disablinh my ability to use and graphics dev tools
[07:06] <Linux_Galore> any*
[07:06] <intelikey> elyon225 :)      i synphonize
[07:07] <akrus> huh
[07:07] <Jucato> intelikey: synphowhat?
[07:07] <elyon225> lol
[07:07] <elyon225> Kinda like sympathize, I guess.
[07:07] <intelikey> never say you can't get any synphony out of intelikey
[07:07] <akrus> is there any software in repository that allows to open CorelDraw files?
[07:07] <intelikey> :)
[07:07] <Linux_Galore> looks like Im going to have to throw this install in the bin
[07:08] <Linux_Galore> hmm
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: did you mean sympathy?
[07:08] <intelikey> Jucato my daughter was in a snit one day and blurted that one out.  (age 10 at the time)   "you can't get any synphony around here"
[07:08] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: hold your horses partner... we'll see...
[07:08] <elyon225> Hmm... my adept apparently crashed and I can't kill it.  What is the console command to kill a process?
[07:08] <Jucato> intelikey: aaaah
[07:08] <elyon225> I have the PID
[07:08] <intelikey> :)
[07:08] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | elyon225
[07:09] <ubotu> elyon225: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[07:09] <elyon225> perfect... thanks
[07:09] <intelikey> Jucato yes she meant "sympathy"
[07:09] <slyfox> Anyone here uses Digikam?
[07:10] <slyfox> This does not exist ! - how do I make it work -->> The Scan Items Dialog http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-graphics/digikam/using-kapp-firstrun.html
[07:10] <intelikey> that was yestergo
[07:11] <Jucato> slyfox: when you run it for the very first time, it should be there. unless you already created and album file
[07:11] <slyfox> So there is no way to add fodlers to digicam so that it will index them ?
[07:11] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: what I really need to do is remove the libglu1-mesa package and "replace it" with the correct version
[07:11] <soulrider> hey slyfox did you upgrade KDE ?
[07:12] <slyfox> soulrider: Yes, fresh kubunut install and latest KDE
[07:12] <soulrider> cool!
[07:12] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: can't you do the command I gave?
[07:13] <slyfox> soulrider: I cant seem to find something that will work like Picasa in KDE, digikam does not have a fonction of adding a folder
[07:13] <soulrider> slyfox: why not use picasa? :P i think theres a google version
[07:13] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: what command
[07:13] <soulrider> i cant really give you an alternative since i dont use that type of programs
[07:13] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install package=exact_version
[07:13] <slyfox> soulrider: yeah, but it runs under wine and the fonts are total crap under wine
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: let me try
[07:14] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: in this case it would be "sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa=6.5.1~20060817-0ubuntu3"
[07:15] <yuriy> slyfox: there are a couple gnome programs you could try if digikam and picasa don't fit your needs
[07:15] <intelikey> = ?     hmmm     i didnt know tha = was a meta char in apt...
[07:15] <yuriy> slyfox: i think one is f-spot and i don't remember the other one, i havent' tried them
[07:15] <soulrider> slyfox: im sure theres a linux version
[07:15] <yuriy> there is a linux version but afaik it works by integrating a version of wine, which might be what he meant
[07:15] <makuseru> how do i get an ipod to mount in linux?
[07:16] <stdin> !ipod
[07:16] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:16] <slyfox> How about Gwenview ?
[07:16] <yuriy> Gwenview is just a viewer, not an organizer
[07:16] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: bingo that fixed it, yay I can do some dev work
[07:16] <makuseru> stdin: all that page says is to intall gtkpod-aac
[07:16] <yuriy> doesn't amarok handle ipods?
[07:17] <makuseru> it did my old one
[07:17] <stdin> amarok does
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: that
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: that's great! :)
[07:17] <makuseru> not this new Nano
[07:17] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: havent got a clue were that cvs package came from, and no I never set up beryl on this dev machine
[07:17] <eisenbergs> !nvidia eisenbergs
[07:17] <intelikey> !nano
[07:17] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:17] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: ah.. I should have asked you to do "apt-cache policy libglu1-mesa"
[07:18] <eisenbergs> whats the link for installing nn vidia drivers?
[07:18] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: remember that command, it will show you the available versions of a package and which repo they are from
[07:18] <Jucato> !nvidia | eisenbergs
[07:18] <stdin> nothing I know can sync with the new nano yet
[07:18] <ubotu> eisenbergs: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:18] <Jucato> intelikey: I think they mean iPod Nano :P
[07:18] <intelikey> oh  !
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:19] <stdin> yuriy: mine was a gift, so I didn't buy it :P
[07:20] <stdin> my nano runs rockbox anyway, and ipodlinux
[07:20] <akrus> could someone tell me how to open .CDR file under Linux?
[07:20] <akrus> (CorelDraw)
[07:21] <slyfox> crap I jsut created a MySQL database with wrong password, any idea how to delete databse or change password ?
[07:21] <intelikey> gimp ?
[07:21] <akrus> intelikey: okay, I'll try
[07:21] <intelikey> ood ?
[07:22] <intelikey> akrus i'm not sure on either of those.
[07:23] <akrus> ood?
[07:23] <soulrider> akrus: kryta?
[07:23] <akrus> what's this?
[07:23] <Jucato> krita
[07:23] <akrus> krita = Select filter
[07:23] <akrus> :)
[07:24] <soulrider> aight, im going to bed
[07:24] <soulrider> see ya!!
[07:24] <slyfox> crap I jsut created a MySQL database with wrong password, any idea how to delete databse or change password ?
[07:24] <slyfox> soulrider: good night
[07:24] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: sweeeeeeeeet, the code is compiling
[07:25] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: good for you :)
[07:25] <intelikey> akrus is CorelDraw = svg ???   if so  inkscape and sodipodi  may work ....
[07:26] <akrus> hm ok
[07:27] <Linux_Galore> bbs have to see if this patch works
[07:27] <Jucato> Raster graphics = Krita, the GIMP, etc. Vector graphics = Inkscape, sodipodi, karbon14 (eek?)
[07:28] <a9913> how do i play mp3s in amarok?
[07:29] <Jucato> !mp3
[07:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:29] <a9913> thanks
[07:29] <akrus> nah
[07:29] <akrus> nothing works :)
[07:29] <intelikey>           - But please use free formats if you can:
[07:29] <akrus> VMWare + Corel is the only solution~
[07:29] <akrus> OGG is better
[07:29] <akrus> already converted everything :)
[07:30] <akrus> almost everything*
[07:30] <stdin> akrus: or VirtualBox to replace vmware
[07:30] <intelikey> .ogg     we want ogg      we want ogg     we want ogg
[07:32] <eisma> i get this: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:32] <eisma> as a result from downloadng flash bu it going too slowly
[07:32] <intelikey> COD was kinda one of thos onez's anyway wasn't it ?
[07:32] <eisma> how do i kill that?
[07:32] <eisma> cause i dont want to run it
[07:32] <intelikey> remove the lock file ?
[07:33] <intelikey> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:33] <stdin> you may not have to do that
[07:33] <stdin> just run the command in konsole
[07:33] <eisma> i still get it
[07:33] <eisma> i dont want to run the command
[07:34] <eisma> i want it to just stop workng
[07:34] <eisma> cause when i run it, it ends up downloading a file that takes days to ddownload
[07:34] <eisma> and i dont want that
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$ sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree
[07:34] <eisma> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:34] <eisma> eisma@eisma-desktop:~$
[07:35] <stdin> try sudo dpkg --purge -r flashplugin-nonfree
[07:35] <intelikey> stdin that will still have to set it up before it can remove it.
[07:35] <stdin> intelikey: it has worked sometimes before
[07:36] <akrus> stdin: is it better? :)
[07:36] <stdin> wouldn't say it's better exactly
[07:39] <premier_> Ive been having my computer lock up occasionally on boot, and its says "BUG: Soft lockup on CPU#0".  Whats the deal?
[07:40] <premier_> Im running a dual core
[07:41] <a9913> can anybody give me apt's sources.list? i sorta messed mine up :/
[07:41] <stdin> !source-o-matic
[07:41] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:42] <a9913> intelikey, thanks
[07:42] <intelikey> np
[07:42] <a9913> stdin, thanks
[07:42] <stdin> np
[07:42] <premier_> intelikey: so about my computer locking up on boot
[07:43] <intelikey> premier_ don't know.  have you look through the bug reports ?
[07:43] <premier_> how long should I wait when it does that before giving up and rebooting?
[07:43] <premier_> ummm... no
[07:43] <intelikey> max timeout on anything i know of is 10 minutes.
[07:43] <intelikey> i'd probably giv it 20 seconds  :)
[07:43] <premier_> okay
[07:44] <intelikey> but if the output is "soft lockup"  it's not going to time out.
[07:45] <intelikey> that's one click short of 'kernel panic'
[07:46] <intelikey> and three clicks better than letting the smoke out of the cpu
[07:49] <slyfox> how do I remove a folder even if it contains file inside it?  rmdir does not work
[07:50] <intelikey> "digital smoke"  heh that'll pass right through a 'firewall' wont it ?
[07:50] <intelikey> rm
[07:50] <intelikey> man rm
[07:50] <intelikey> short answer is   rm -R
[07:50] <slyfox> cool
[07:51] <slyfox> intelikey: thanks
[07:51] <intelikey> now do us all a favour and read the man page
[07:51] <intelikey> :)
[07:51] <meteor-1500> how can i get supermount style cd and usb drive mounting?
[07:52] <intelikey> !supermount
[07:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about supermount - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:52] <meteor-1500> the default thing doesn't seem to unmount cd's
[07:52] <intelikey> oh automounting....   yuch.
[07:53] <intelikey> i never touch the stuff
[07:53] <akrus> usbmount :)
[07:53] <meteor-1500> why not?
[07:53] <akrus> sudo apt-get install usbmount
[07:53] <intelikey> !usbmount
[07:53] <ubotu> usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:54] <meteor-1500> ta
[07:54] <akrus> does not work for me anyway xD
[07:54] <akrus> it works for MP3 player
[07:54] <akrus> but not for Card Reader T_T
[07:54] <akrus> my Card Reader died lol
[07:54] <intelikey> !dontwork
[07:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dontwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:54] <intelikey> !work
[07:54] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[07:55] <akrus> intelikey: do you have any idea why is my card reader not working whereas on my friend's PC it's ok?
[07:55] <intelikey> akrus dmesg | less    see if it's recognized && if any errors
[07:56] <akrus> no errors
[07:56] <akrus> it's mounted very rarely
[07:56] <akrus> I can mount it manually
[07:56] <akrus> but if I copy something
[07:56] <akrus> the data is broken
[07:56] <akrus> and some files cannot be read
[07:56] <akrus> from SD
[07:57] <akrus> MemorySticks are not working at all~
[07:57] <akrus> but it worked!
[07:57] <intelikey> have no klue.   maybe hardware issue ?  loose cable bad contacts....     i don't know
[07:57] <Jucato> !enter
[07:57] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:57] <Jucato> :)
[07:57] <akrus> amaroK detected it
[07:57] <akrus> everything is okay with
[07:58] <akrus> tried at friend's PC :)
[07:58] <intelikey> akrus you are missing the point.  if it works on other boxes....
[07:58] <akrus> it worked :)
[07:58] <akrus> hm
[07:58] <akrus> some flood :)
[07:59] <intelikey> but now doesn't on yours....
[07:59] <akrus> [ 4175.180000]  SCSI device sdc: 245504 512-byte hdwr sectors (126 MB) [ 4175.180000]  sdc: Write Protect is off [ 4175.180000]  sdc: Mode Sense: 03 00 00 00 [ 4175.180000]  sdc: assuming drive cache: write through [ 4175.180000]   sdc: sdc1
[07:59] <akrus> that's dmesg
[07:59] <intelikey> so hardware is questionable.  it could be software.  but hardware is questionable if it only fails on one set of hardware.
[08:00] <akrus> lemme check another cable
[08:00] <akrus> Card Reader is working I'm sure
[08:01] <akrus> same
[08:01] <akrus> amaroK detected
[08:01] <akrus> KDE = no
[08:01] <akrus> mounting manually
[08:02] <akrus> actually we tried this with 2 different card-readers
[08:03] <akrus> same T_T
[08:03] <akrus> File cannot be opened
[08:03] <intelikey> that sounds like permissions
[08:03] <intelikey> ls -l
[08:03] <akrus> but some are opened
[08:04] <akrus> -rwxr-xr-x
[08:04] <intelikey> owner ?
[08:04] <akrus> and some drwxr-xr-x
[08:04] <akrus> root
[08:04] <akrus> sudo chmod 0777 ./ -R
[08:04] <intelikey> looks like you should have read only access
[08:04] <akrus> Read-only file system
[08:04] <akrus> Input/output error
[08:05] <intelikey> mount
[08:05] <intelikey> ?
[08:05] <akrus>  /dev/sdc1 on /media/sdcard type vfat (rw)
[08:06] <intelikey> sudo mount -o remount,umask=000 /media/sdcard
[08:06] <akrus> I actually changed nothing except installing some packages from repository
[08:07] <intelikey> ls -l /media/sdcard
[08:07] <akrus> same :)
[08:08] <akrus> Read-only file system :D
[08:08] <intelikey> ls -l /media/sdcard
[08:08] <intelikey> show me one.
[08:08] <akrus> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  2173314 2006-10-20 12:08 YouandI_Yuyuro.mp3
[08:09] <intelikey> mount | grep media/sdcard
[08:09] <akrus>  /dev/sdc1 on /media/sdcard type vfat (rw,umask=000)
[08:10] <akrus> the only way I found to copy files
[08:10] <intelikey> you can't have umask=000 and perms 755 at the same time....
[08:10] <akrus> before mounting
[08:10] <akrus> chmod 0777 on /media/sdcard
[08:10] <akrus> and then mount the volume
[08:10] <akrus> I'll be able to copy only under root
[08:10] <akrus> but anyway after unmounting files are mostly 0 bytes or broken
[08:11] <intelikey> need to   sync ;umount blah
[08:11] <intelikey> but i still say "<intelikey> you can't have umask=000 and perms 755 at the same time...."
[08:11] <akrus> blah: command not found
[08:12] <akrus> :)
[08:12] <akrus> what is sync?
[08:12] <intelikey> man sync
[08:12] <akrus> actually one thing is confusing
[08:12] <akrus> ?---------  ? ?    ?           ?                ? VA-Anjunabeats_Worldwide_1-2CD-2006-TGX
[08:12] <akrus> and the folder is Red o_O
[08:13] <intelikey> broken link
[08:18] <intelikey> hmmm in konqueror i get error "executing shell commands works only from local dirrectories"     so where is  trash:///  then ?
[08:19] <intelikey> akrus   sudo umount /media/*
[08:19] <intelikey> do that about three times and try this.
[08:19] <akrus> device busy
[08:20] <raphink> intelikey: .local/share/Trash/ iirc
[08:20] <akrus> ah
[08:20] <akrus> okay now
[08:20] <akrus> not mounted :)
[08:20] <intelikey> sudo mount -o umask=0000,rw /dev/sdc1 /media/sdcard
[08:21] <intelikey> raphink then why can't konq execute any commands in there ?
[08:21] <raphink> well ~/.local/share/Trash and trash:// are not the same
[08:21] <raphink> for Konqueror, trash:/, media:/, camera:/ and alike are distant protocols
[08:22] <raphink> and Konqueror only accepts to execute commands from local dirs as it said in the error
[08:22] <intelikey> so where is me when i go to  trash:///   ?
[08:22] <akrus> :o
[08:22] <Jucato> ~/.local/share/Trash
[08:22] <raphink> you are browsing ~/.local/share/Trash/files
[08:22] <akrus> mounted
[08:22] <raphink> but Konqueror sees it as if you were browsing remotly
[08:22] <Jucato> the magic of KIO
[08:22] <akrus> -rwxrwxrwx  1 root root  2173314 2006-10-20 12:08 YouandI_Yuyuro.mp3
[08:23] <raphink> to Konqueror, trash:/ has quite the same status as sftp:/ for ex
[08:23] <eisenbergs> Can someone run me through on how install firefox? * very newbie i know*
[08:23] <raphink> yes Jucato
[08:23] <pgdown> eisenbergs
[08:23] <intelikey> akrus so can you write there now ?
[08:23] <akrus> eisenbergs: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <raphink> eisenbergs: sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <akrus> intelikey: lemme check
[08:23] <pgdown> open terminal and type sudo apt-get install firefox
[08:23] <pgdown> too late
[08:23] <akrus> no access
[08:23] <akrus> ~_~
[08:23] <eisenbergs> bahah. okay. thanks.. lol that was uhh
[08:23] <eisenbergs> haha
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: this is the problem we had with media:/ and kaffeine
[08:24] <intelikey> akrus broken hardware.
[08:24] <Jucato> and the problem with home:/ grr....
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: because opening files in media:/ is just like opening them in sftp:/, it's seen as a distatnt protocol
[08:24] <Jucato> it's both a convenience *and* and inconvenience...
[08:24] <raphink> intelikey: so Konqueror/Kaffeine/etc. copies the files to /tmp first and then only reads them
[08:24] <eisenbergs> this is wha ti just got
[08:24] <eisenbergs> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[08:24] <eisenbergs> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[08:24] <intelikey> raphink ok.   i stand under you.
[08:24] <Jucato> eisenbergs: is Adept still open?
[08:24] <pgdown> eisenbergs: be sure to enable the extra repos: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[08:25] <pgdown> follow the instructions on that page
[08:25] <eisenbergs> yea. adept is still open. shut it and away it goes*
[08:25] <pgdown> you can only have one instance of apt-get or adept open
[08:25] <pgdown> at a time
[08:25] <akrus> intelikey: it's working :)
[08:26] <akrus> intelikey: on Feisty alpha 2...
[08:26] <akrus> and this is happening for another card reader too :3
[08:26] <intelikey> akrus one other thing i'd like you to post      uname -r    could be kernel bug...
[08:26] <akrus> 2.6.19-7-generic
[08:26] <intelikey> k
[08:26] <akrus> I cannot get 2.6.20 working :)
[08:27] <akrus> it's always something saying me
[08:27] <akrus> while booting
[08:27] <intelikey> i might sujest a .17 kernel for testing that.
[08:27] <intelikey> just to make sure
[08:27] <akrus> Cannot assign region for PCI something
[08:27] <akrus> hm
[08:28] <akrus> we have tested under 2.6.20 -> was okay
[08:28] <eisenbergs> is there a plugin or something for kde where i can view network traffic?
[08:28] <yuriy> akrus i haven't read the conversation, but the card reader in my laptop didn't work with 2.6.17 and eariler, so if yours is a Ricoh it might be that
[08:29] <intelikey> akrus also make known in  #ubuntu+1  they may have a known issue there.
[08:29] <akrus> hm okay :)
[08:29] <akrus> us 002 Device 009: ID 0aec:3260 Neodio Technologies Corp. 7-in-1 Card Reader <-- it's not Ricoh :)
[08:30] <yuriy> eisenbergs: i know there are some karamba themes that include one
[08:31] <surgy> whats the terminal command for "delete" ?
[08:31] <yuriy> surgy: rm
[08:31] <intelikey> sudo rm /dev/hd*    (:
[08:32] <surgy> yuriy: whats the comand to remove a directory?
[08:32] <yuriy> rmdir
[08:32] <Jucato> intelikey: please don't do that
[08:32] <intelikey> rm -r
[08:32] <kraut> moin
[08:32] <yuriy> -r to delete the files in it as well
[08:32] <surgy> yuriy: what if its not empty?
[08:32] <intelikey> Jucato that wont really hurt anything.   but it will scare the krap out of a guy
[08:33] <yuriy> surgy: -r
[08:33] <Jucato> intelikey: which is why I'm asking you not to do that
[08:33] <intelikey> or -R
[08:33] <surgy> thnx :)
[08:33] <intelikey> Jucato a reboot and all is normal.  udev makes those inodes each boot.
[08:34] <Jucato> it still might give ideas to unwitting/unknowing newbies
[08:35] <intelikey> it's
[08:35] <akrus> intelikey: should I select generic, i386 or something else?
[08:35] <eisenbergs> how do i open firefox up now..
[08:35] <eisenbergs> nvm
[08:35] <eisenbergs> brain fart
[08:35] <eisenbergs> ignore it
[08:35] <Jucato> eisenbergs: it should be in your K Menu
[08:35] <intelikey> yes generic i386
[08:35] <akrus> both? o_O
[08:35] <eisenbergs> yea. not the normal color graphic..
[08:35] <Jucato> !generic | akrus
[08:35] <ubotu> akrus: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[08:35] <surgy> "Local not supported by C library"
[08:35] <berkes> lol: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070125.html (read back for a bit of history)
[08:36] <akrus> ah lol
[08:36] <surgy> intelikey: im not THAT green anymore but please dont misslead me
[08:37] <akrus> 2.6.20-5 then ~_~
[08:37] <intelikey> surgy what does    echo $LC_ALL    say ?
[08:37] <akrus> lol mine says nothing
[08:38] <stdin> woo, I got remember line on alt-tab now =D
[08:38] <akrus> LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 :)
[08:38] <intelikey> sorry    echo $LANG
[08:38] <surgy> intelikey: yes that whould misslead me, but now i will know to always question you
[08:38] <akrus> 2.6.20-rc6 :o
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: oh sorry missunderstood you
[08:39] <_4strO> yop yop
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: it says nothing
[08:39] <akrus> locale -a
[08:39] <intelikey> well if LANG is not set then that's why the error.
[08:39] <surgy> intelikey: en_US.UTF-8
[08:40] <intelikey> export LANG=en_US
[08:40] <intelikey> and re run what ever errored out
[08:41] <surgy> intellikey: it was Savage, and it went ahead and installed it was a warning
[08:42] <intelikey> surgy to fix it add   LANG="en_US"   to /etc/environment
[08:43] <surgy> intelikey ok thnx
[08:43] <surgy> intelikey thats not a valid directory
[08:43] <intelikey> not a dir a file.
[08:44] <intelikey>  cat /etc/environment
[08:45] <surgy> intelikey: "
[08:45] <surgy> PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[08:45] <surgy> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[08:45] <intelikey> then source it from /etc/profile
[08:46] <surgy> but it has Lang="en_US.UTF-8" allready
[08:46] <surgy> does that not mean its fixed?
[08:47] <surgy> intelikey: how do i source it? (by the way this is the error "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library")
[08:47] <intelikey> echo '. /etc/environment' | sudo tee -a /etc/profile
[08:48] <intelikey> it add this line                                                                                               . /etc/environment
[08:48] <surgy> bash: cd: /etc/environment: Not a directory
[08:48] <surgy> yes
[08:48] <surgy> it added that
[08:49] <surgy> so how do i add to it?
[08:49] <intelikey> close konsole and reopen it
[08:49] <intelikey> did you run that string i posted ?
[08:49] <surgy> this?  echo '. /etc/environment' | sudo tee -a /etc/profile
[08:49] <intelikey> yes
[08:49] <surgy> yes i ran it and it added the line you said
[08:50] <intelikey> ok close the konsole
[08:50] <surgy> ok
[08:50] <intelikey> reopen it
[08:50] <surgy> yes master
[08:50] <surgy> it is done
[08:50] <intelikey> type#  echo $LANG
[08:51] <surgy> done
[08:51] <intelikey> it said ?
[08:51] <surgy> nothing
[08:51] <surgy> i typed "#  echo $LANG"
[08:51] <surgy> and nothing
[08:51] <intelikey> no not the #
[08:51] <stdin> heh :)
[08:51] <intelikey> that makes everything else a comment.
[08:52] <surgy> output == en_US.UTF-8
[08:52] <intelikey> ok.
[08:52] <surgy> duh i shouldve known that :)
[08:52] <intelikey> you're dismissed.
[08:52] <intelikey> (:
[08:52] <surgy> so its finished?
[08:52] <intelikey> yep
[08:53] <intelikey> fixed for all users
[08:53] <surgy> awsome
[08:54] <surgy> intelikey: when installing Savage i get "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"
[08:55] <intelikey> might have to restart kde for it to read in the env...
[08:55] <surgy> so a end session wont work here huh?
[08:55] <surgy> gonna have to cntrl+alt+backspace ?
[08:55] <intelikey> yes it will
[08:55] <anything1> hi how do i check what's my user's group ?
[08:56] <surgy> ok
[08:56] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin.
[08:56] <intelikey> anything1 groups
[08:56] <stdin> anything1: in konsole you can do "id"
[08:56] <stdin> hey [StingRay] 
[08:57] <stdin> [StingRay] : I'm happy today :)
[08:57] <intelikey> id is Ugly tho
[08:57] <[StingRay] > stdin, I don't know if this is a bug, but I just changed my hostname and now sudo -s returns: sudo: unable to lookup galia via gethostbyname()
[08:57] <[StingRay] > stdin, share it with me :)
[08:57] <[StingRay] > and the others, stdin ;)
[08:57] <stdin> [StingRay] : yeah, you normally have to restart after changing hostname
[08:57] <anything1> groups=100(users),44(video),1003(auditusers) means what?
[08:58] <anything1> i'm in group users, video and auditusers ?
[08:58] <[StingRay] > stdin, this is afte the restart :). I just lost root
[08:58] <intelikey> yep
[08:58] <akrus> hm
[08:58] <anything1> what the numbers mean?
[08:58] <akrus> okay I noticed the problem :)
[08:58] <stdin> [StingRay] : and I'm happy because: 1) KDE 3.5.6 is in feisty/main and 2) I got remember line on alt-tab on konversation now :)
[08:58] <intelikey> anything1 like i said    groups
[08:58] <surgy> intelikey: i ended my curent session logged back in and got this error when installing savage "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library"
[08:58] <anything1> the numbers meand the id of the group? or the number of pple in the group?
[08:59] <stdin> anything1: the GUD (Group ID)
[08:59] <stdin> *GID :P
[08:59] <anything1> ok how i add the user into a new group?
[08:59] <anything1> usermod ?
[08:59] <[StingRay] > stdin, sorry but I did not get 2)
[09:00] <stdin> [StingRay] : you ever use the feature in konversation where it inserts a "remember line" when you switch tabs (channels) to show activity you missed ?
[09:00] <[StingRay] > superb, stdin :)
[09:01] <stdin> anything1: you can do it in System Settings
[09:01] <stdin> [StingRay] : it's in the SVN version, it wasn't working, so I reported the bug, now it's fixed :)
[09:01] <[StingRay] > stdin, If I restart and the problem persists, is grub root console the only solution?
[09:01] <[StingRay] > gg, stdin
[09:02] <anything1> ok done
[09:02] <anything1> is this a immediate effect or must restart?
[09:02] <stdin> [StingRay] : check the hostname in /etc/hostname and in /etc/hosts to make sure they match first
[09:03] <intelikey> surgy id say.  "you have a bug."       you can try    sudo apt-get install language-pack-en-base    but it's probably already the newest version.
[09:03] <stdin> anything1: you'll need to logout and back in
[09:03] <surgy> intelikey: i did a full update last night doubtfull they updated the lang pack and savage sense then
[09:04] <intelikey> humour me.   sudo apt-get install language-pack-en-base
[09:04] <intelikey> then we'll know we covered all the bases
[09:04] <[StingRay] > stdin, in /etc/hosts the only hostname is "127.0.1.1 hostname_different_than_the_one_in_/etc/hostname"
[09:05] <surgy> intelikey: here is psotinstall warnings: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2952/
[09:05] <stdin> [StingRay] : while I don't think it should make a difference, you could try changing it
[09:06] <stdin> surgy: have you tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" ?
[09:06] <[StingRay] > ok, stdin I will go for grub's root console, bye for now and happy celebrating ;)
[09:06] <surgy> stdin: doing so now
[09:07] <pgdown> so, is iceweasel optimized at all (say for 686) like swiftfox, or is the differnce only in name/logo/license?
[09:07] <anything1> ok
[09:07] <anything1> very cool
[09:07] <anything1> thx
[09:07] <egonw> moin, I read about compiz support in 3.5.6... how can I enable it?
[09:07] <stdin> iceweasel is the debian name for firefox
[09:08] <pgdown> right...but is there any other difference besides name/logo/license?
[09:08] <intelikey> surgy if that fixes it be sure and report that.  the updated packages should have update-locales in the scripts.
[09:08] <surgy> also when i try to run savage i get this:
[09:08] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~/Savage$ ./silverback.bin
[09:08] <surgy> System_Init()
[09:08] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~/Savage$
[09:08] <surgy> intelikey: everything was allready up to date
[09:08] <surgy> intelikey it didnt fix it
[09:09] <stdin> pgdown: no, it's just got some patches from debian in it
[09:09] <intelikey> didn't really think it would.   i'm calling bug on that one.
[09:09] <pgdown> ok
[09:09] <surgy> so no savage for me :(
[09:09] <surgy> BOOOO
[09:10] <surgy> well it acts like it is trying to start flashes the screen black and then gives me what i last said
[09:11] <anything1> what's the script that auto mount whenever i plug in usb thumb/ipod etc
[09:11] <surgy> anything1: you can use the disk/filesystem in system settings and click automount
[09:12] <guglielf> stdin: btw, I have several locales (en_*.UTF-8), do I need all of them?
[09:12] <surgy> by the way if anyone has problems getting there ipod 2.0 to mount and eject with amarok i figured it out
[09:13] <anything1> yess i having problem to connect to ipod using amarok
[09:13] <anything1> keep saying ipod lock or something
[09:13] <stdin> guglielf: not sure if you "need" them, but I have the same, think it's part of the en language pack
[09:13] <surgy> ok you have to set a mount point
[09:14] <surgy> and then go to amarok settings and add a new media device
[09:14] <surgy> then let it handle it as an apple ipod
[09:14] <guglielf> stdin: mmm ok :)
[09:14] <surgy> the "mount command" should be "mount [your mount point] "
[09:14] <stdin> surgy: nope
[09:14] <surgy> stdin: its working like that
[09:15] <stdin> surgy: should use pmount
[09:15] <surgy> stdin: how am i wrong?
[09:15] <anything1> ok wait back to basic first
[09:15] <surgy> why?
[09:15] <stdin> !pmount
[09:15] <ubotu> pmount: mount removable devices as normal user. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.13-1build1 (edgy), package size 39 kB, installed size 588 kB
[09:15] <anything1> now when i plug in my ipod.. it detects but doesn't mount for me..so what i would do is mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod
[09:15] <stdin> surgy: mount needs sudo, pmount doesn't
[09:15] <surgy> stdin: i mean the premount command from within amarok
[09:16] <surgy> stdin: not in amarok..... aparently, it doesnt fail as user
[09:16] <anything1> now i am in amarok..connect to ipod..it says..failed to create lockfile on ipod mounted at :/media/ipod..permission denied
[09:16] <stdin> because it's mounted as root
[09:17] <surgy> anything1: go to kde menu > system settings > advanced > disks and file systems
[09:17] <surgy> anything1: sign in as root and make sure the ipod is enabled
[09:17] <surgy> stdin: yes your right
[09:18] <surgy> anything1: you need to make sure in disk and filesystems that [user]  can enable disable ipod
[09:18] <weedar> Any ideas on when Feisty will be released?
[09:19] <surgy> stdin: tell me where im wrong and ill shut up......... you are right about the mount command but after you give permision to user then user can mount it
[09:19] <stdin> !feisty
[09:19] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <weedar> thank you stdin
[09:19] <stdin> surgy: won't that add to fstab tho?
[09:19] <surgy> stdin: havnt checked, but i assume its the gui method of changed fstab
[09:20] <surgy> stdin: us noobs coming from windows like guis alot
[09:20] <surgy> changing*
[09:20] <intelikey> users can run mount because it is set u id root
[09:20] <Xerroz> has anyone managed to get DRI to work with the open source Radeon Drivers?
[09:21] <stdin> surgy: removable devices don't go in fstab, because the device (sda) could be assigned to another device, eg if you have a usb stick
[09:21] <intelikey> that's only of passing interest to most,  but if one runs a system with nosuid then no user can mount anything.
[09:22] <surgy> stdin: oh
[09:22] <anything1> damnit
[09:22] <guglielf> stdin: i've seen a lot of /etc/fstabs containing removable devices
[09:23] <anything1> i hate the disk/filesystem screen it don't refresh
[09:23] <stdin> guglielf: me too, but it's not good practise
[09:24] <intelikey> e.g. i have a cdrom mounted on hdd  observe:  eject /dev/hdd
[09:24] <intelikey> Error: this program needs to be installed suid root
[09:24] <intelikey> eject: unmount of `/mnt/cdrom' failed
[09:24] <surgy> well by defualt disk and file system mount ipod as vfat file system and no user access and no root access thats where all my problems came, i had to be sudo and change them to user
[09:25] <guglielf> stdin: so, what's the preferred way?
[09:25] <stdin> guglielf: mounting with pmount, that's what the KDE popup uses when you insert a a device
[09:26] <anything1> media device: ipod mounted at /media/ipod already locked! if you are sure this is an error, then remove the file /media/ipod/iPold_ControliTunes/iTunesLOock and tr yagain
[09:26] <surgy> ok but im having problems with the eject command
[09:26] <surgy> can i use umount?
[09:26] <stdin> surgy: with pmount ?
[09:27] <fowlduck> i had problems with eject when i umounted my cdrom today
[09:27] <fowlduck> had to reboot :/
[09:27] <stdin> mount with pmount, unmount with pumount
[09:27] <intelikey> guglielf i would "prefer" making a script for the device that has all the options in it.     sudo mount /dev/sda -o umask=0000 /media/something      and run the script with a click    but i'd also setup sudoers to allow mount/umount without password for the /media dir.    but then again i script everything.
[09:27] <anything1> how do u mount the device such that everyone can access instead of only root??
[09:27] <surgy> std: with mount
[09:28] <intelikey> P U mount    smell bad ?
[09:28] <guglielf> stdin: on the italian ubuntu-it forum there's plenty of people having problems mounting removable disks. Well, not always kde recognises these devices unfotunately :(
[09:28] <guglielf> *r
[09:28] <surgy> anything1: with disk filesysstem click on the drive in admin mode and look at permisions
[09:29] <stdin> guglielf: the /media and media:/ urls in konq use it too
[09:29] <anything1> what's the command?
[09:29] <guglielf> stdin: a newbie is pretty freighteend by scripting ;)
[09:29] <stdin> guglielf: I haven't mentioned any
[09:29] <sparr> in the kubuntu edgy installer, step 5 where you set up volumes and mount points (ala fstab)...  it only seems to show my first 8 volumes.  is that a known bug?
[09:30] <guglielf> stdin: sry :D it was meant for intelikey
[09:30] <Xerroz> has anyone managed to get DRI to work with the open source Radeon Drivers?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> DRI?
[09:31] <ForgeAus> !DRI
[09:32] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[09:32] <dropsl> hi
[09:32] <ForgeAus> hey dropsl :)
[09:33] <dropsl> since i updated to kde 3.5.6 my Alt-Gr key doesnt work anymore... so i cant produce at-symbols oder backslashes... may anyone help me :)
[09:35] <intelikey> ok that disk management app is that part of kcontrol ?
[09:35] <intelikey> or seperate ?
[09:36] <intelikey> i'm looking to have a look at it in dapper if it exists...   i started kde as root so i can see all features
[09:36] <pgdown> what's the name of the spell-checking package that firefox uses?
[09:37] <surgy> well good night
[09:37] <dropsl> intelikey: what app do you mean? perhabs qtparted (gparted)?
[09:37] <surgy> nice talking and thnc for help
[09:37] <dropsl> surgy: good night
[09:37] <intelikey> dropsl no the one they were discussing eariler
[09:38] <dropsl> intelikey: ok i was not here that time ;)
[09:39] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: you can import dictionary files from within firefox itself
[09:39] <pgdown> ok
[09:39] <intelikey> guglielf what is the address of the app you were looking in ?
[09:40] <guglielf> intelikey: me?
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> pgdown:  start firefox  go Edit-> Preferences   then click on the Advanced Icon
[09:40] <intelikey> yeah
[09:40] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: now in the General section there should be a button bottom right Language,  click on that
[09:41] <pgdown> ok got it
[09:41] <pgdown> thanks
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: has choose on it
[09:41] <intelikey> is it  kmenu > system > periferials > media   ???
[09:41] <koli> hello people
[09:41] <Linux_Galore> pgdown: you can also add languages
[09:41] <koli> !xgl
[09:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[09:41] <intelikey> that's part of kcontrol   was it a seperate app ?
[09:42] <guglielf> intelikey: well, i was not looking any app in fact :)
[09:42] <motey> Xerroz: I use ATI and it is neat and fast!
[09:42] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[09:43] <stdin> intelikey: might be in System > Partitions
[09:43] <intelikey> stdin might be but that's not part of dapper.
[09:43] <guglielf> intelikey: anyway, I don't have that menu (periferals under system)
[09:44] <stdin> intelikey: It's a part of system settings, so it should be in kcontrol
[09:44] <Linux_Galore> Im avoiding XGL and Compiz, nothing but misery
[09:44] <guglielf> uh, that's ok :)
[09:44] <intelikey> stdin ok.  that's what i wanted to know.
[09:44] <guglielf> intelikey: yes most probably I have it there
[09:46] <intelikey> guglielf ok thanks.
[09:47] <akrus> hm
[09:47] <intelikey> i'm looking into it now.
[09:47] <akrus> is there something like kfloppy?
[09:47] <akrus> mkdosfs returning an error xX_
[09:47] <akrus> x_X*
[09:47] <stdin> !kfloppy
[09:47] <ubotu> kfloppy: floppy formatter for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 95 kB, installed size 348 kB
[09:48] <akrus> lol I have it
[09:48] <akrus> but it's not working :)
[09:48] <akrus> mkdosfs: failed whilst writing reserved sector
[09:48] <stdin> was it running as root ?
[09:49] <akrus> both
[09:49] <akrus> all the same :)
[09:49] <stdin> hmm
[09:50] <stdin> I don't have a floppy drive, so I don't know
[09:51] <stdin> !kmformat
[09:51] <ubotu> kmformat: floppy and USB disk formatting tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~beta2-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 340 kB, installed size 468 kB
[09:51] <Erunno> Hi all. Just a question as I couldn't find an answer on the internet: Does anyone know why the german webmail service web.de doesn't work with Kontact ?
[09:51] <Erunno> Especially imap seems to be completely broken.
[09:55] <akrus> stdin: lol
[09:56] <akrus> it started
[09:56] <akrus> KMFormat for KDE 4
[09:56] <akrus> LOL!
[09:57] <akrus> lol found the better way
[09:57] <akrus> another empty diskette xD
[10:02] <sebbar> hi, about cnr: does this screenshot at http://www.cnr.com/screenshots.html mean that we'll be able to get (at least) the free cnr stuff through synaptic/adept?
[10:03] <akrus> sebbar: isn't it already working?
[10:03] <akrus> except the paid software
[10:04] <sebbar> akrus: what should be already working exactly? cnr for ubuntu isn't yet afaik
[10:04] <akrus> not for ubuntu
[10:04] <akrus> there was a guide with switching CNR->Synaptic for Freespire
[10:05] <akrus> hm, do you mean the last image?
[10:05] <sebbar> yes
[10:05] <akrus> hm...
[10:06] <akrus> CNR Plugin? o_O
[10:06] <akrus> looks like
[10:06] <akrus> yes
[10:06] <akrus> read the forums :)
[10:07] <akrus> there will add support of some distros
[10:07] <akrus> Ubuntu is included because of many Home Users :)
[10:08] <akrus> the only actual point I see is buying software via CNR
[10:11] <andreasw> hi
[10:11] <niels_> ubotu: adept crash fix | niels_
[10:11] <ubotu> niels_: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:12] <sebbar> akrus: yes, and probably just for non tech users/people living in the us
[10:13] <akrus> I'm not living in US x_X
[10:14] <who5ein> tttt
[10:14] <who5ein> hi
[10:14] <MrWGW> umm actually
[10:14] <sebbar> I'm not either... well I was thinking about codecs and stuff like that...you probably wouldn't get them from cnr if they're legal in you r country and could get them for free elsewhere would you?
[10:14] <MrWGW> the point of buying software from CNR would be to do the right thing
[10:15] <MrWGW> although in the case of codecs, the situation is more...ambiguous
[10:15] <sebbar> :MrWGW why would buying sw from cnr be the right thing?
[10:15] <MrWGW> I maintain though that the FOSS community has to show people in the proprietary software world the same respect we want them to show us, by not pirating their stuff
[10:15] <MrWGW> (just as we ask them not to violate the terms of our FOSS licenses)
[10:16] <MrWGW> you treat people the way you want to be treated
[10:16] <MobsterLobster> hey what is the comand to configure X?
[10:16] <MrWGW> in the case of CNR, it makes buying proprietary software much easier, and so even if you're in a country where you could, with some degree of legality, download war3z via BitTorrent, I maintain that it would not be The Right Thing (tm)
[10:17] <MobsterLobster> CNR looks like a great idea it will help make linux popular and unify it
[10:17] <MrWGW> anyway, if Linux is to have any shot at taking down Windows, it needs to attract non-FOSS developers to port their killer apps to it
[10:17] <MrWGW> oh absolutely Mobster
[10:17] <MrWGW> btw, I LOVE your SN
[10:17] <Jucato> !offtopic
[10:17] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:17] <MobsterLobster> anyway i need the command to configure X plz
[10:18] <stdin> !xconfig
[10:18] <ubotu> To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[10:20] <MobsterLobster> i get the response that xserver is broken or not fully installed is there a way to check wich it is?
[10:21] <stdin> I'd just do "sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg" to be sure
[10:22] <akrus> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[10:23] <akrus> maybe?
[10:24] <stdin> if the 1st command shows it's installed, then defiantly
[10:29] <anything> hi what's the command to check what dns i'm using?
[10:30] <helmut_> hi
[10:30] <anything> hi anyone knows?
[10:30] <mindspin> !msttcorefonts
[10:30] <ubotu> msttcorefonts: Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.2ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 22 kB, installed size 164 kB
[10:30] <anything> !dns
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: cat /etc/resovl.conf
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[10:31] <anything> cool
[10:31] <Jucato> anything: the second one...
[10:31] <anything> can i change it?
[10:31] <anything> how to restart it?
[10:31] <anything> after changes
[10:32] <anything> is the 2nd one primary?
[10:32] <Jucato> you can change it (use sudo or kdesu <text_editor>). no need to restart it. it reverts back to the original DNS after reboot
[10:32] <Jucato> anything: no. the first one is a typo :P
[10:32] <anything> ahhh haha..get it
[10:33] <anything> must i restart to take effect?
[10:33] <anything> there's nothing like /etc/init.d/dns restart ?
[10:33] <Jucato> no, no need to restart
[10:34] <mindspin> bind
[10:35] <anything> ok
[10:35] <max_> hi
[10:36] <max_> i've installed again KUBUNTU but this time with apt-cache search i can't find the italian package for kde and panels
[10:36] <max_> what's the problem?
[10:36] <Jucato> !it
[10:36] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:36] <Jucato> max_: you could ask those guys which packages are for -it
[10:36] <max_> ok
[10:36] <max_> thanks
[10:42] <MobsterLobster> when configuring X i get to a question asking for my default color depth in bits I select 24 (the defualt) but when i select ok the program quits saying i am overwriting a config file. am i finished configing or have i got a error?
[10:44] <MobsterLobster> plz i need help coz i need X
[10:46] <Jucato> you are finished
[10:46] <Jucato> that's the last part of the configuration, and you *are* overwriting the config (xorg.conf) file
[10:47] <MobsterLobster> so "startx" should wor?
[10:47] <Jucato> it should...
[10:47] <Jucato> depends on what your problem was earlier
[10:49] <MobsterLobster> well i uninstalled my 3d drivers which broke X
[10:49] <mindspin> ! tell me about commercial
[10:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about commercial - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <MobsterLobster> i figured out i was finished i just needed to Sudo startx but it loaded xfce not kde :(
[10:50] <Jucato> O.o
[10:50] <Jucato> you don't need sudo for startx
[10:50] <Erunno> Has anyone else using the german webmail provider web.de with Kontact ? It won't accept my authentification using imap.
[10:51] <MobsterLobster> ohh well its working now thats the main thing
[10:52] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: next time, you could use "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start" instead of plain startx
[10:54] <genii> Wow, seems quiet today :)
[10:55] <Saree> is there a channel operator here?can u kick MobsterLobster? it is my nick i was just on with it but needed to switch comps. i got X working on this 1
[10:56] <matt0507> !pi
[10:56] <ubotu> pi: Compute Archimedes' constant Pi to arbitrary precision. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.11-1 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 56 kB
[10:56] <animimotus> erf, I have lost all my mail in kmail
[10:56] <Saree> i turned off the comp it was logged of with so it shouldnt be there
[10:56] <Saree> *on
[10:58] <Saree> is there anybody here who can even kick my Mobster?
[10:59] <Saree> jucato u can verify im mobster u just helped me with X problems
[11:00] <sorush20> where are the kde headers ?
[11:00] <Saree> !nvidia
[11:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:06] <genii> Saree if that nick was registered you can just take it over by using the nickserv command to identify yourself
[11:07] <genii> Otherwise after a while it will just time out anyways
[11:07] <saree> so what do i type?
[11:07] <genii> !nickserv
[11:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickserv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:07] <genii> bah
[11:07] <saree> do u mean the nick serve thing?
[11:07] <saree> how do i get it to do it for mobsterlobster not saree
[11:08] <genii> something to the effect of /msg nickserv identify <password> but the command might be ghost instead of identify
[11:08] <Jucato> saree: is the MobsterLobster nick registered?
[11:08] <saree> yes
[11:08] <saree> yes Jucato
[11:08] <saree> saree is not
[11:08] <Jucato> saree: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password>
[11:09] <sorush20> are there any syntax highlighted consoles / terminal / bash?
[11:10] <MobsterLobster> kool it worked
[11:10] <MobsterLobster> thx
[11:11] <ForgeAus> can you add cnr into kubuntu? or does it have to be freespire?
[11:12] <sorush20> is there any way that I could have world clock on my desktop ?
[11:13] <Jucato> try looking for a superkaramba theme
[11:13] <Jucato> then there's also kworldclock
[11:14] <genii> I'm pretty sure you need linspire/freespire for that
[11:14] <ForgeAus> theres also a kworldclock
[11:14] <Jucato> for what?
[11:14] <ForgeAus> cnr
[11:14] <ForgeAus> I got a freespire LiveCD
[11:14] <Jucato> genii: well, yes and no... http://cnr.com
[11:16] <genii> Interesting, it says deb is supported. On the main linspire cnr site they don't specify what package types etc
[11:16] <gnondpom> Pour tlcharger FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/
[11:16] <gnondpom> For Download  FightClub http://sunboard.free.fr/fightclub/
[11:16] <Erunno> How do I turn off the transparancy in the file selection rectangle ? It's to CPU consuming for my old notebook.
[11:16] <genii> But it looks like that site isn't fully operational yet, may be vapourware
[11:17] <Jucato> genii: it was just announced/started a few days ago. and yet it's vaporware already?
[11:18] <MobsterLobster> !xgl
[11:18] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:18] <genii> Jucato Well, no files yet :)
[11:18] <Jucato> genii: yeah. it's not supposed to have files yet. there's no client yet anyway
[11:18] <MobsterLobster> im just starting to realize3 why people said that feisty isnt stable
[11:19] <genii> Jucato I'm looking into whether a debian frontend exists yet
[11:19] <Jucato> Erunno: System Settings -> Appeaance -> Style -> Effect tab
[11:19] <Jucato> genii: they don't have plans to  support Debian yet, afaik
[11:19] <Jucato> er sorry
[11:19] <Jucato> was thinking of something else lol
[11:20] <MobsterLobster> is anybody else that is using feisty finding it unstable?
[11:21] <Jucato> MobsterLobster: um.. it's in alpha stage :)
[11:21] <MobsterLobster> i know but i have been using it for a month and am only now finding it unstable
[11:22] <Jucato> development releases only become really stable towards the end of development
[11:23] <genii> Yeah I like to wait until there is at least a release candidate version anyhow
[11:23] <jack> .
[11:23] <MobsterLobster> ok ohh well after today im not touching this computer till april
[11:23] <MobsterLobster> have school to deal with
[11:24] <Contrast> Can anyone here help me with a very strange Konqueror problem? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=522879
[11:27] <matt0507> how do i auto sync my clock time to a time server?
[11:27] <matt0507> the computer's clock that is ^^
[11:27] <noiesmo> !ntp
[11:27] <ubotu> ntp: Network Time Protocol: network utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB
[11:27] <stdin> matt0507: sudo ntpdate [timeserver] 
[11:28] <Contrast> matt0507:, right-click on the clock, Configure, Timezones.
[11:28] <Contrast> I think.
[11:28] <matt0507> ty will give it a try
[11:29] <berkes> Contrast: this problem of yours has to do with a strange selection/click configuration you have chosen, AFIKS
[11:29] <berkes> AFAIKS
[11:29] <Contrast> ubotu's way sounds like it'd be worth a shot if mine is incorrect.
[11:29] <matt0507> what timeserver should i use? i live in qld australia
[11:30] <stdin> maybe oceania.pool.ntp.org
[11:31] <intelikey> set
[11:31] <matt0507> thanks :)
[11:31] <Contrast> berkes:, that's what I was thinking too (assuming we're on the same page - my selecting and clicking of files/folders is completely unaffected, it's only that visibility of what I'm selecting while using the keyboard is nonexistant)...
[11:31] <Contrast> berkes:, but if it had something to do with a settings option that I changed, wouldn't it have been corrected when I reset everything to the defaults?
[11:32] <genii> Hmm freespire works with synaptic. I wonder what the default package type is
[11:32] <berkes> Contrast: try settings:/Peripherals/
[11:33] <berkes> then mouse, then fiddle a little with the 'selection settings' (I have a Dutch locale, so don't know the en terms)
[11:33] <Jucato> genii: *spire is Debian-based iirc
[11:34] <Contrast> Ok, thanks, berkes.
[11:34] <MobsterLobster> so who is looking forward to CNR?
[11:35] <Jucato> !offtopic
[11:35] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:35] <Jucato> :)
[11:35] <MobsterLobster> o
[11:36] <intelikey> hmmm i was going to say something when i came in.... i guess it wasn't important...
[11:37] <genii> Looks like a cnr client won't be widely available till release of freespire 2
[11:38] <animimotus> with de 3.5.6 maj for kde I have lost my mails and all my notes in basket, and you ? many other problems ?
[11:38] <intelikey> well i wrote a new script,  i needed a way to see what files in one dir were not in another.   anyone have a real simple solution for that ?
[11:38] <Contrast> Hah! Beautiful. I got it in the settings for the mouse. Thanks a lot, berkes.
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> kubuntu to the max -> http://users.tpg.com.au/abdserv6/serenity1.png
[11:40] <Contrast> berkes:, still there?
[11:41] <berkes> yup
[11:41] <Contrast> berkes:, just wanted to say thanks. That saved me a ton of frustration.
[11:42] <Contrast> Now I just need to figure out how to set Konqueror so that Tree is the default view mode every time I open the program and I'll be set.
[11:44] <Jucato> Contrast: after setting it to Tree view, Settings -> Save View Profile
[11:44] <Contrast> I've tried that. It still opens with Icons as the view mode.
[11:44] <genii> Interesting, freespire source code comes on it's own ISO. I was gonna browse the tree and see where the cnr client is but looks to be a pita right now
[11:45] <Contrast> Ohh, nevermind. I was saving it as the profile for the file manager.
[11:45] <Contrast> Jucato:, thanks.
[11:45] <Linux_Galore> genii: why bother, PCBSD has a far nicer method
[11:46] <berkes> Contrast: no prob.
[11:46] <genii> Linux_Galore: Well, someone asked about it earlier then I got looking into it, and it seems to be a usable system for most ppl. Uses the Synaptic as well so not much difference on the front end side
[11:47] <intelikey> echo -e '#!/bin/sh \n\nls -1 $1 > blah1 \nls -1 $2 > blah2 \n\ndiff blah1 blah2 \nrm blah?' >> compare-dirs.sh ;chmod 755 compare-dirs.sh
[11:47] <Linux_Galore> genii: PCBSD uses a normal web browser and some clever scripts, just go to the website and click on what you want to install, its thats simple
[11:48] <genii> Interesting, is there some firefox plugin or extension for it yet?
[11:48] <Linux_Galore> genii: no its a simple file association
[11:49] <Linux_Galore> genii: the browser is just the trigger
[11:50] <Linux_Galore> genii: the complexity of the whole process is really well hidden
[11:50] <genii> I like the bsd ports system but it looks like this is the package manager part. ports are better because you actually make it each time from source which I like
[11:51] <Contrast> I read somewhere that compiling from source all the time can be bad for your hardware. Is there any truth to this?
[11:51] <Contrast> Probably a stupid question, but I'm still a little green, in case I hadn't already made that obvious.
[11:51] <Linux_Galore> no big assed package manager popping up when you want to install anything, all they see is the download and to confirm the install (yep can even do user space installs)
[11:52] <genii> Contrast: Well other than tying it up for a while doing the actual compiling, unless you are re-making essential hardware drivers or something I don't think there is much to the idea it prematurely kills your equipment
[11:54] <Linux_Galore> installing packages in Linux is still too complex. cnr is close but has the same problems with the stupid complex package manager getting in the way, PCBSD has hit it right on the head
[11:55] <genii> Linux_Galore: Since most ppl by now are accustomed to how the extensions system in firefox works it wouldn't be any kind of learning curve which is nice
[11:56] <frojnd> !samba
[11:56] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[11:56] <Contrast> genii:, so it's best not to try and use applications while you're compiling?
[11:56] <Contrast> I mean, even if your system shows no noticeable slowdown while doing so?
[11:57] <Linux_Galore> genii: well to me installing software should be, open browser, click on get more software bookmark, browse pretty web pages with software info, click on install me icon on webpage. wait for download to finnish, click on ok when it queries the install
[11:57] <genii> Contrast Well, mostly that is fine. Only when you are perhaps trying to compile a program that you are running it may get to be an issue. On freebsd for instance I had to regularly recompile the postfix mail system. But it has to be stopped from running manually before recompiling or it gets weird issues
[11:58] <dante> #kubuntu-fr
[11:58] <dante> oups
[11:58] <Contrast> genii, oh, ok. Thanks for the info.
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> the laugh is what I just said is 100% possible but no one has done it in Linux yet
[11:59] <Contrast> Excuse my ignorance, but this PCBSD program installation interface you're talking about, I'm assuming it's freeBSD-only?
[11:59] <Linux_Galore> and people would happily "pay for it"
[12:00] <genii> Linux_Galore: Someone should just lift the source for the extensions part of mozilla and transplant it in
[12:00] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: no PCBSD is a desktop distro of BSD with easy to use functionality
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: also you dont see any "interface"
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> Contrast: users dont need to to "any interface"  all they need is an OK/CANCEL option
[12:01] <Linux_Galore> to see*
[12:02] <Contrast> Well, that's what I meant by an interface. Guess I was using the term too loosely.
[12:02] <adi> :)
[12:02] <genii> Linux_Galore: How does un-installing work? some localhost cgi deal?
[12:02] <adi> just checking new Irc client:)
[12:02] <Linux_Galore> genii: simple add remove thing
[12:03] <genii> adi It works :)
[12:03] <Linux_Galore> very few people remove software unless it doesn't work
[12:03] <waylandbill> "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." cute.
[12:04] <adi> isn't in wonderfuul :D
[12:04] <adi> hm...  I Haven't uaseing english for a year, be patient please:P
[12:05] <adi> *useing
[12:05] <adi> Have a nice day... see You soon.
[12:05] <adi> I have to back to work:-)
[12:07] <genii> Almost all types of command interfaces are going towards web. Platform independant is good. Started with routers and so on. After a while everything you need to control will just have some xml or similar module to load up in a browser
[12:08] <stdin> time for some food and a coffee before I record the audio for my screencast, back soon
[12:09] <genii> stdin Have fun :)
[12:09] <stdin> audacity is gonna play up again, I can just feel it :P
[12:10] <genii> LOL
[12:11] <frojnd> whats the page for (ku)buntu upgrades, what are they upgrading?
[12:11] <waylandbill> :-)
[12:11] <frojnd> where is the list of all processes
[12:14] <waylandbill> I learned something new.. 'apt-get moo'
[12:14] <waylandbill> hehe
[12:15] <genii> waylandbill sort of like little easter eggs
[12:16] <waylandbill> yes.
[12:16] <Contrast> haha
[12:16] <Contrast> nice. thanks for sharing, waylandbill
[12:17] <genii> frojnd I'm not sure there is a web page listing something like upgrades. Normally you would be doing a distribution upgrade from Dapper to Edgy for instance. Occasionally there are smaller upgrades like specific programs. But likely any changes would be minor.
[12:17] <waylandbill> for ascii, it's not bad looking either. lol
[12:19] <frojnd> No, there is officially page where is shown with what are they dealing and what is finished..
[12:21] <waylandbill> nice.. another one... go in vim and ask for help on 42 (:help 42)
[12:23] <genii> frojnd the only official page i know of for this is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes but it is not for specific smaller applications, only overall distributions
[12:27] <frojnd> genii: I found it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.04
[12:27] <bluechip> anyone know of a pre compiled C compiler that i can download ?
[12:28] <stdin> a pre compiled C compiler
[12:29] <stdin> how can you compile a C compiler without a C compiler ?
[12:29] <genii> gcc comes to mind but I think he means a gui editor-type application
[12:30] <fuel> Use of uninitialized value in print at /var/lib/defoma/scripts/gs.defoma line 108. i get this error always when doing sudo apt* any ideas?
[12:30] <waylandbill> that would be an ide
[12:30] <bluechip> i was refering a C compiler that i can install some how without haveing a C compiler
[12:30] <waylandbill> bluechip: just install gcc binary package
[12:30] <stdin> bluechip: just install build-essential
[12:30] <waylandbill> build-essential is a great start
[12:31] <max__> ciao
[12:31] <bluechip> when it tried that i got package not avalible
[12:31] <max__> non capisco...
[12:31] <genii> bluechip To compile on (k)ubuntu all you need is the package build-essential    this is the backend for making C programs
[12:31] <max__> ho scaricato tutti i pacchetti di lingua italiana ma i pannelli sono ancora in inglese
[12:31] <max__> e ho riavviato anche
[12:32] <waylandbill> compiling a C compiler doesn't need a C compiler.. assembly would do just fine. :-)
[12:33] <stdin> heh
[12:33] <stdin> I was just making a tongue twister
[12:33] <waylandbill> I know
[12:33] <bluechip> i tried to get it by typeing sudo apt-get install build-essential but i get package not avalibel :S
[12:33] <ForgeAus> lol besides your right
[12:34] <ForgeAus> you can assemble or compile or interpret a c compiler in just about any language...
[12:34] <genii> bluechip Have you done first a    sudo apt-get update          ?
[12:34] <bluechip> Couldent find package-build essential to be precised
[12:34] <ForgeAus> well maybe not most 4gls
[12:34] <stdin> bluechip: check your sources, I think you have them disabled
[12:34] <ForgeAus> (perhaps some 3 or 2gls even) but in general...
[12:34] <bluechip> yes i did that
[12:35] <genii> stdin shouldn't build-essential be in main or so??
[12:35] <genii> !info build-essential
[12:35] <ubotu> build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (edgy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[12:35] <stdin> genii: yep, but you know after an install witout net, sources can get disabled
[12:35] <stdin> genii: (all of them)
[12:36] <quique> Hi,
[12:36] <matt0507> i've install java but firefox is not recognise plugins, can someone please help.
[12:36] <quique> will packaged of KDE 3.5.6 be uploaded for Dapper ?
[12:37] <stdin> matt0507: do you have sun-java5-plugin too ?
[12:37] <Contrast> Thanks again for the help. I'm off.
[12:38] <stdin> quique: maybe, but 3.5.6 is still being tested for now, you could ask in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu+1
[12:38] <fuel> matt0507 : you have to link
[12:38] <genii> bluechip Well, there is a sample sources.list somewhere in the doc tree. Right now I'm on a windoze box so couldn't tell you the exact path. but if you do a:  sudo updatedb && locate sources.list  it should show you where. then just copy that to the /etc/apt/ directory and edit it if neccesary.
[12:38] <fuel> the library to your firefox folder
[12:38] <matt0507> right forgot about that >< im instalilng the plugin from adept now guys, thanks.
[12:38] <stdin> :)
[12:38] <matt0507> that should have came with jr5 package but i didnt know it wasnt included..
[12:38] <genii> bluechip then of course re-run  sudo apt-get update   then try to install what you need
[12:39] <stdin> the plugin isn't in the jre package
[12:39] <stdin> bluechip: there is also the source-o-matic site
[12:40] <fuel> matt0507: first open your ~/.mozilla folder
[12:40] <fuel> then open plugins folder.....
[12:40] <stdin> fuel: he didn't have the package installed
[12:40] <quique> stdin: thank you, i'll ask there
[12:40] <matt0507> fuel thanks, it is running now :) got plugin from adept
[12:40] <fuel> ok
[12:41] <fuel> stdin : do you know the fix for mount problem in kubuntu ?
[12:42] <stdin> fuel: what problem ?
[12:42] <fuel> well if you log off and relogin again.......the partitions donot mount
[12:42] <larson9999> errr, where did the gui for change file associations go in edgy?
[12:42] <fuel> i think its the bug 58552
[12:45] <stdin> fuel: are these partitions in fstab ?
[12:45] <fuel> yeah they are there......
[12:45] <stdin> fuel: and they are automounted at boot, or by the user ?
[12:46] <fuel> they are automounted at boot.....all configured properly.....
[12:46] <fuel> i dont mount my partitions manually....
[12:47] <stdin> is it all the partition that get unmounted?
[12:47] <genii> you could add a line like "mount -a" to your startx file
[12:47] <elsers> hello!
[12:48] <fuel> no only my root directory is mounted... all other drives fail to load....
[12:48] <larson9999> geeze, it's in kcontrol which isn't the default settings manager.  i'll say it again, not having kcontrol be the default settings manager is DUMB
[12:48] <fuel> genii: i dont have the problem while booting for the first time........only when i relogin or terminate my x session and try getting in again
[12:49] <stdin> that in 6.06?
[12:50] <genii> fuel The "startx" file or "xsession" file in your home directory will run whatever application names you put in there every time your desktop loads. so if you put the command "mount -a" in there somewhere it will just enforce remounting all stuff in fstab whenever your desktop loads
[12:51] <fuel> ok done
[12:51] <Tururu> hi
[12:52] <fuel> ok another question........ i need to remove this silent splash.....
[12:52] <fuel> ' /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda7 ro quiet splash '
[12:53] <genii> just take out "quiet"
[12:53] <fuel> ok
[12:54] <genii> The you'll see the progress like in former versions
[12:54] <Tururu> i'm gettin mad with sane i need some hint someone could help me please?
[12:56] <genii> Tururu Please type in konsole: scanimage -L and tell me if it reports a scanner
[12:56] <HymnToLife> Tururu, just ask your question, we'll help if we can
[12:57] <Tururu> i've already check sane-find-scanner and scanimage  the first tool recognize my scanner the second one no
[12:57] <Tururu> i tryed to set debug variables as in the man pages
[12:57] <Tururu> and get this...
[12:58] <HymnToLife> Tururu, what if you run scanimage -L with sudo ?
[12:58] <Tururu> the same
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  sane_init: Trying to find USB device 3f0 701 ...
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach:
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach: opening libusb:004:004
[12:58] <Tururu> [avision]  attach: open failed (Invalid argument)
[12:58] <HymnToLife> are you sure your scanner is supported ?
[12:58] <Tururu> yes of course i've checked is fully supported
[12:59] <genii> Yes, usually it is a privelege issue using the device. I've had to make symlinks in /dev to the actual device to scan as non-root
[12:59] <Tururu> i fear is something related with usbfs support
[12:59] <HymnToLife> genii, why bother ? Just change the permissions to the device in /proc
[01:00] <HymnToLife> Tururu, have you tried running sane-find-scanner and then scanimage -L both with sudo ?
[01:00] <genii> HymToLife This is on a *bsd box
[01:01] <andreasw> hi is it possible to change the default sorting behaviour of kmail so that emails are on the top. I know that I can change that for every single folder but I have imap and there are a lot of folders and its just annoying
[01:01] <HymnToLife> genii, I'm on BSD too
[01:01] <HymnToLife> the device is not in /proc then but no symlink needed either
[01:01] <HymnToLife> just change the perms
[01:02] <Tururu> yes
[01:02] <Tururu> same result
[01:03] <eeos> hi everybody.
[01:03] <eeos> does anyone know how to run argouml on kubuntu? the package doew not appear to be there.
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: this is a java application isn't it?
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: just download the jar file and run it
[01:05] <eeos> andreasw yes, but it would be nice to have it packaged so that all the users on a system can use it.
[01:05] <andreasw> eeos: 'java -jar argouml.jar
[01:05] <waylandbill> eeos: it's just a jar. download use java to run it.
[01:06] <andreasw> eeos: well you can also do that even without any package
[01:06] <andreasw> eeos: copy it in a global directory like /opt or /usr/local than make a sh script which executes java -jar argouml.jar
[01:06] <eeos> andreasw have you ever tried to update a network of computers where all the comuters have packages installed outside the pacakge manager?
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: make it executable and copy it to a global bin dir
[01:07] <genii> Tururu Have you tried on different usb port?
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: you have just ask how to install not how to create a package ^^
[01:07] <andreasw> eeos: asked
[01:08] <eeos> andreasw you are right! :P
[01:08] <waylandbill> eeos: put binaries on a common network file system. ;-)
[01:10] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill also there are tons of dependencies. I would really prefer to pacake it. even if there is a package for it in debian unstable (just discovered it!)
[01:10] <andreasw> eeos: only one sun-java5-jre
[01:10] <andreasw> eeos: if you make it easy or maybe it will also work with gcj
[01:11] <andreasw> eeos: than create your own for a single file it is not so bad to make one
[01:11] <waylandbill> eeos: use caution ... using sid is risky to start with. using sid packages not under debian is also risky.
[01:11] <crube> Is there a good program I can use to defragment my HD? ( If I ever even need to)
[01:11] <waylandbill> checkinstall will create a deb for you.
[01:12] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill used checkintsall in the past was pretty good.
[01:12] <andreasw> yes but checkinstall only works with an install script I think
[01:12] <andreasw> eeos: http://people.debian.org/~jaldhar/make_package1.html
[01:12] <eeos> waylandbill andreasw could you please point to a place where there is simple documentation o how to package by hand, that is without using checkinstall?
[01:12] <waylandbill> yeah... checkinstall is make for automake type stuff.
[01:13] <eeos> andreasw thanks for mind reading! :)
[01:13] <waylandbill> s/make/made/
[01:13] <stdin> anyone using audacity 1.2.6 ?
[01:16] <eeos> andreasw waylandbill we have teh same problem with DB4Designer for example
[01:16] <eeos> waylandbill andreasw do you know of a packaged alternative?
[01:17] <crube> Is there a good guide somewhere on how to install codecs and other media file support like mp3?
[01:17] <ciaoo> hi all
[01:17] <Jucato> !codecs | crube
[01:17] <ubotu> crube: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:17] <waylandbill> !RestrictedFormats
[01:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <ciaoo> can someone tell me if my pinnacle pctv 60e works und ubuntu? I wrote lsusb in console and it shows Bus 005 Device 003: ID 2304:0216 Pinnacle Systems, Inc. [hex
[01:18] <waylandbill> eeos: never used db4designer, sorry.
[01:18] <ady33> Hi could someone tell me how to add a news account to Kontact. I can see how to add a mail account but not anywhere to enter details for newsgropus??. tnx
[01:19] <crube> I already found the RestrictedFormats page, but I wasn't able to install the codecs the way it was said there. I activated multiverse and universe repositories, but it didn't find the gstreamer codecs I needed.
[01:20] <crube> Ok it wasn't able to find one of them, so I choose not to install it :)
[01:20] <Jucato> crube: 1) you don't need gstreamer, because most of the apps on KDE/Kubuntu use Xine, so you'll need libxine-extracodecs only
[01:20] <crube> Alright. I'll try that
[01:20] <Jucato> crube: 2) you might not have enabled/added the correct multiverse
[01:21] <ana12345> Kernel panic-not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[01:21] <genii> !pastebin Tururu
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebin Tururu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <ana12345> I can not start linux help pls
[01:21] <waylandbill> alternatively, if you use Amarok, it can install them for you as well.
[01:21] <genii> !pastebin | Tururu
[01:21] <ubotu> Tururu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:22] <waylandbill> the first time you try to play an mp3 in it of course.
[01:22] <crube> Jucato: Well I didnt add anything, I just enabled them like it said in the guide (I try to do everything just as it's said in guides just to make sure I dont mess everything up :D )
[01:22] <Jucato> !multiverse | crube
[01:22] <ubotu> crube: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:22] <Jucato> crube: try that guide to add multiverse
[01:22] <crube> Jucato:  Alright thanks.
[01:24] <ana12345> Anayone can help me pls?
[01:24] <ana12345> Kernel panic-not syncing: vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0)
[01:25] <genii> Messes up initrd file
[01:25] <ForgeAus> um upgrading the KDE in kubuntu? u what happens there? ie is kde-core a metapackage?
[01:26] <genii> ana12345 There is a file in /boot directory called initrd.gz which has become corrupted
[01:26] <stdin> ForgeAus: yes it's a metapackage, and why do you have it ?
[01:26] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yes, kde-core is a metapackage.
[01:28] <ForgeAus> no I have kubuntu-desktop which is basically the replacement for kde-core right?
[01:28] <stdin> yeah
[01:29] <ForgeAus> ie kubuntu-desktop is kde-core for ubuntu
[01:29] <ForgeAus> basically? or exactly?
[01:29] <stdin> not exactly
[01:29] <ForgeAus> (kubuntu-desktop includes some gfx/theming stuff I know that...
[01:29] <ForgeAus> that I don't expect to be in kde-core)
[01:29] <ciaoo> who can tell me if a pinnacle pctv 60e works under kubuntu?
[01:29] <ana12345> yes was upgrading
[01:30] <stdin> kubuntu is everything needed for kubuntu, not just the core of kde
[01:30] <stdin> *kubuntu-desktop
[01:30] <ana12345> genii what can I do? thx
[01:30] <ForgeAus> stdin you mean more (forgive the confusion with the word core but.. ) core-os stuff than just the kde desktop?
[01:31] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage that installs everything necessary for a **default Kubuntu** installation.
[01:31] <genii> ana12345 Are you using right now a livecd?
[01:31] <ForgeAus> this time I have managed not to remove kubuntu-desktop metapackage :) which is a real + and somehow I managed to get a free crossover office!
[01:31] <Jucato> it does not install kde-core, but rather it installs separate packages
[01:32] <ana12345> yes knopix 3.3
[01:32] <stdin> kde-core is just the core components of kde, kubuntu-desktop is that and more
[01:32] <ForgeAus> sofar it doesn't seem any different to wine just a few fancy gui extras
[01:32] <ForgeAus> (as far as I was aware crossover office isn't meant to be free)
[01:32] <ana12345> genii how can I copy the text that u write me ( I am using the x-chat)
[01:32] <waylandbill> kde-core is minimal, kde is all official modules, and kubuntu-dekstop is the entire set of kubuntu packages.
[01:33] <ForgeAus> wayland including the linux kernel?
[01:33] <andreasw> but I never understood why in kubuntu there is another console font than in ubuntu
[01:33] <genii> ana12345 You can use the mouse to highlight the words, then right-click and choose "copy" then later in an editor right-click and "paste"
[01:34] <stdin> ForgeAus: no, that's in linux-image.... package
[01:34] <andreasw> in ubuntu german umlaute work like  in the console under kubuntu they don't ^^
[01:34] <ForgeAus> I like kubuntu's konsole font if thats the one you mean
[01:34] <ana12345> i tried that but gives me a menu without option for copy
[01:34] <ana12345> anyway
[01:34] <ana12345> go futher pls
[01:34] <waylandbill> no. it doesn't include the kernel. It includes just about everything else though.
[01:35] <ForgeAus> stdin, sorry if I don't understand this but someone said everythign you need to get a default kubuntu working, woudln't a kernel be required to get a kubuntu desktop working?
[01:35] <andreasw> ForgeAus: well I mean the real console which you get to with ctrl + alt + f1
[01:35] <ana12345> genii yes I am using knopix how can I sort it out
[01:35] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop will include the kernel. but kde-core won't
[01:35] <ForgeAus> also for debian does it have a default window manager? does it even boot into X-windows? or just text-mode with a default install of say... sarge?
[01:35] <stdin> ForgeAus: kubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on the kernel, but it depends on other things that depends on the kernel
[01:36] <solemnwarning> Does kubuntu do ALSA software mixing by default?
[01:36] <ForgeAus> stdin thats part of it being a metapackage I guess
[01:36] <waylandbill> etch. not sarge.
[01:36] <andreasw> ForgeAus: if you selected a desktop environment it will install it otherwise you will just have text mode
[01:37] <ForgeAus> andre? what about if you go with defaults?
[01:37] <ForgeAus> or does it force you to choose one?
[01:37] <andreasw> ForgeAus: select ;) damn english grammar ^^
[01:37] <andreasw> ForgeAus: The default is gnome
[01:37] <ForgeAus> wayland, sure etch will do
[01:38] <waylandbill> debian doesn't force you to choose a desktop. it doesn't install it unless you ask it to
[01:38] <stdin> debian has not default desktop
[01:38] <ForgeAus> ok so whats the difference between debian + kde and kubuntu?
[01:38] <genii> ana12345 Do you know the partition name that the root filesystem was on? eg: hda1 or like that
[01:38] <andreasw> stdin: well it has ;)
[01:38] <solemnwarning> ForgeAus: Debian is stable
[01:38] <ForgeAus> rofl solemn :)
[01:38] <andreasw> stdin: If you don't deselect anything in the new installer you will get a gnome installed
[01:38] <waylandbill> ubuntu is african for: "I can't configure debian" ;-)
[01:38] <solemnwarning> There's a reason us Debian users like "out of date" software, it never breaks :)
[01:38] <stdin> ForgeAus: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, and Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it's had patches and modifications, as has KDE
[01:38] <ForgeAus> rofl wayland :)
[01:39] <andreasw> stdin: but I always deselect Desktop System in tasksel and install kde later
[01:39] <waylandbill> I heard that on the radio once.
[01:39] <andreasw> Kubuntu = Ubuntu - Gnome + KDE
[01:39] <ForgeAus> andrea, I suspect thats not entirely true
[01:39] <andreasw> +s ;)
[01:39] <ForgeAus> gnome apps work in kubuntu without installing lotsa gnome stuff...
[01:39] <solemnwarning> I'm thinking about shoving kubuntu on my mums machine since random crap keeps triggering memory leaks or freezing the machine, does it do software mixing by default?
[01:40] <ForgeAus> so its not entirely -gnome... it probably has what a minimal gnome?
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: you need to install all the GTK stuff
[01:40] <waylandbill> kubuntu is ubuntu without the gnome-desktop virtual package but the kubuntu-desktop one instead.
[01:40] <andreasw> yes and gtk is not gnome
[01:40] <andreasw> ;)
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: Kubuntu has no Gnome parts installed
[01:40] <ForgeAus> so kde uses gtk as well as gnome?
[01:40] <stdin> ForgeAus: KDE used Qt
[01:40] <Jucato> actually it's the ubuntu-desktop metapackage
[01:40] <genii> ana12345 Do you know the partition name that the root filesystem was on? eg: hda1 or like that
[01:41] <TheGateKeeper> ForgeAus, gtk is the main lib that gnome uses
[01:41] <ForgeAus> yeah Jucato lotsa gnome stuff in the ubuntu-desktop metapackage as one would guess... (or at least I did)
[01:41] <andreasw> ForgeAus: OO.org uses GTK as far as I know so there is gtk already installed even in kubuntu
[01:41] <intelikey> hey i was just wondering if anyone here was sharp enough to help me setup k3b so i could play with it.     problem is the box is nosuid  so sudo/kdesu is useless
[01:41] <intelikey> ?
[01:41] <ForgeAus> so kubuntu has gtk but not gnome?
[01:41] <andreasw> If they changed it to koffice there would be no more need for gtk
[01:41] <andreasw> ForgeAus: yes
[01:41] <waylandbill> KDE uses Qt libraries, but that doesn't mean you can't install apps that use Gtk packages.
[01:42] <solemnwarning> Anyone?
[01:42] <andreasw> solemnwarning: the sound servers can provide software mixing
[01:42] <TheGateKeeper> ForgeAus, gnome is the 'desktop' gtk is the library that it uses to create that desktop
[01:42] <andreasw> solemnwarning: but it is not so good like under windows in my opinion
[01:42] <LameBMX> andreasw, i doubt oo.org is the only thing dependant on gtk .. and even if it were on the3 install cd .. they will need gtk in the near future for something
[01:43] <LameBMX> like gaim or whatnot
[01:43] <ForgeAus> ok my next question apps like vmware use a seemingly standardized-like open file/etc dialog...  but it seems to look like its one out of thunar....
[01:43] <andreasw> LameBMX: gaim isn't included in kubuntu
[01:43] <solemnwarning> I have no idea about setting it up, I've always bought decent cards and used hardware mixing
[01:43] <ForgeAus> ok so thats a GTK app I know that much...
[01:43] <andreasw> LameBMX: I think oo.org is the only GTK app which is included in the default kubuntu installation
[01:43] <ForgeAus> yes thats true gaim isn't in kubuntu-desktop but is in ubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <ForgeAus> (same with rhythmbox and um... nautilus
[01:43] <Teh_Roxor> Isn't Firefox included?
[01:43] <andreasw> no it isn't
[01:43] <stdin> ForgeAus: most 3rd party apps are GTK based
[01:43] <andreasw> at least not in Edgy
[01:43] <intelikey> could someone just do this for me then.  grep <your-cdburner_device> ~/.kde/share/config/k3brc
[01:44] <ForgeAus> firefox? um I get firefox anyway some stuff I get is dependant on it I guess
[01:44] <LameBMX> yea i understand its not included .. all im saying is someone would probably need gtk within the first few hours
[01:44] <Teh_Roxor> I like konqueror better anyway
[01:44] <ForgeAus> I didn't actually install firefox itself explicitly
[01:44] <andreasw> LameBMX: I don't use gaim kopete is much better ;)
[01:44] <LameBMX> ewww kepote is ugly n gross ... just looks pretty lol ...
[01:44] <ForgeAus> I like both (and I'm discovering some interesting stuff about Opera like bittorrent integration, and the widgets)
[01:44] <intelikey> k3b ?
[01:44] <ForgeAus> but then Opera isn't freeware
[01:45] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[01:45] <andreasw> LameBMX: I don't care about the look I need features
[01:45] <LameBMX> but anyways why is there that sort of attitude to *buntu ...
[01:45] <LameBMX> is like foss or nothing at all
[01:45] <ForgeAus> somehow I ended up with it and crossover office, they havn't asked me to pay anything yet... but if/when they do I'll just uninstall them
[01:45] <andreasw> LameBMX: gaim has so many security issues I would not use it ;)
[01:45] <Tm_T> LameBMX: There's not, but there's licences and laws.
[01:45] <intelikey> LameBMX the install cd only holds so much.
[01:46] <ForgeAus> I know the windows version of opera used to have adverts everwhere
[01:46] <ForgeAus> not sure about nowerdays
[01:46] <stdin> intelikey: you mean like hdc or the actual name of the divice ?
[01:46] <andreasw> LameBMX: but you are right I still need gtk at least for gimp. The KDE alternative (can't even remeber the name) is not a real alternative yet
[01:46] <Teh_Roxor> Krita?
[01:46] <andreasw> yes thats the name
[01:46] <Tm_T> andreasw: Krita, and no it's not close yet.
[01:46] <intelikey> stdin if hdc is the device node  then yes thats what i mean
[01:46] <LameBMX> intelikey, i got nothing greppin for my cd dev in k3brc ... but k3b dont like me ...
[01:47] <waylandbill> yup krita... it ain't no gimp.
[01:47] <ForgeAus> xarchive, xarchiver are kinda similar... same with thunar and dolphin...
[01:47] <ForgeAus> Gimp!
[01:47] <LameBMX> true that for krita
[01:47] <intelikey> stdin mine is scd0   it's not detected  and i can't enter setup cause admin mode
[01:47] <ForgeAus> thats one gtk app I recommend!
[01:47] <ForgeAus> dunno much about krita
[01:47] <LameBMX> but gimp wants to be broken on my comp lol ...
[01:47] <intelikey> LameBMX thanks for hitting it anyway
[01:48] <andreasw> Konqueror is now a real good alternative to firefox
[01:48] <Teh_Roxor> I actually like Krita, but then again, I don't do much beyond simple editing
[01:48] <larson9999> i don't know why people seem to think you can't use gtk apps in kde and qt apps in gnome, etc.
[01:48] <ForgeAus> I agree antreasw
[01:48] <waylandbill> not as broken as gimp on win32. hit or miss if it will run.
[01:48] <andreasw> ok some websites are rendered better in firefox but I don't think thats the fault of konqueror
[01:48] <ForgeAus> I use different browsers for different purposes
[01:48] <intelikey> stdin so i'll have to know what the line looks like before i enter it in my k3brc file
[01:48] <Teh_Roxor> I love konqueror
[01:49] <larson9999> i prefer apps that are multiplatform
[01:49] <ForgeAus> you do?
[01:49] <andreasw> people should learn how to code valid html
[01:49] <genii> konqueror is nice but the killer extensions are still for firefox
[01:49] <ForgeAus> its what windows' explorer SHOULD have been
[01:49] <andreasw> not trust in browser's error correction
[01:49] <stdin> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/329110
[01:49] <Teh_Roxor> YEah, Konqueror is standards compliant
[01:49] <ForgeAus> semi-is
[01:49] <intelikey> stdin or could you just dcc me a copy of your file (assuming k3b works for you)  then i can pars out what i need
[01:49] <intelikey> oh ok.
[01:49] <ForgeAus> yeah genii perhaps that will change in the future
[01:49] <waylandbill> andreasw: majority probably don't even write the code.
[01:49] <stdin> intelikey: if you need it, I will
[01:50] <ForgeAus> I like the browser identification that konqueror has
[01:50] <intelikey> let me look at the paste first.
[01:50] <andreasw> waylandbill: I know but it would be possible even for the web editors to create valid html or xhtml code
[01:50] <intelikey> maybe all i need is there.
[01:50] <ForgeAus> and the tab management is nice without additional plugins
[01:50] <ForgeAus> (its what firefox should have had by default)
[01:50] <ForgeAus> (like tabmix plus)
[01:50] <andreasw> yes in firefox I have to download MouseGestures, LastTab, TabPreferences
[01:51] <ForgeAus> does konqueror do WML/XHTML?
[01:51] <genii> In v2 of firefox on the tabmix plus is builtin
[01:51] <intelikey> stdin yeah i don't know what headings those are under
[01:51] <intelikey> send it
[01:51] <andreasw> ForgeAus: I think it does
[01:51] <larson9999> i still don't get tabbed browsing.  what's wrong with alt+tab?  my fingers have been genetically hardwired to alt+tab
[01:51] <ForgeAus> genii wasn't on mine
[01:51] <intelikey> looks like one listing for each burning mode
[01:51] <andreasw> larson9999: try it with mouse gestures you'll love it ^^
[01:51] <ForgeAus> what string to put in browser identification to show mobile pages then?
[01:51] <Tururu> i gtg bye all :)
[01:52] <waylandbill> open 50 tabs and 50 windows... :-)
[01:52] <stdin> intelikey: you want the file then?
[01:52] <larson9999> andreasw: i have to use the mouse?  but that's waaayyyy over to the right
[01:52] <genii> ForgeAus Weird, mine had all the things you could do on tabmix. some of it was in the preferences area
[01:52] <andreasw> have to go now bye
[01:53] <intelikey> yeah
[01:53] <genii> my two fave extensions have to be downthemall and showip
[01:53] <ForgeAus> (personally I think some sidebars like an instant messenger and a search page (say kopete?), a mobile browser sidebar too, and IRC integration would be kewl in konqueror)
[01:53] <intelikey> ooops kill that and send one more time
[01:53] <larson9999> maybe i'm slow but web pages are like women to me.  two at once are a bit much to handle
[01:54] <ForgeAus> also konversation is ok but its not as configurable as mIRC... how do I get it to stop opening a new query window when I SINGLE-click a nickname
[01:54] <ForgeAus> I don't mind it on doubleclick
[01:54] <intelikey> ok thanks.   iou one.
[01:54] <stdin> yw :)
[01:54] <intelikey> tooddels .
[01:54] <larson9999> ForgeAus: for my money, xchat is a better fit for mirc converts.  but maybe it's the mulitplatform thing talking
[01:55] <ForgeAus> it also doesn't handle well the way my ISP's login (HTML page) works
[01:55] <ForgeAus> actually I prefer konversation over X-Chat
[01:55] <ForgeAus> but yeah there does seem to be more mIRC-ness in x-chat
[01:56] <ForgeAus> (in konversation I like having the tabs show as tabs instead of a treeview)
[01:56] <waylandbill> is there a list of mouse gestures somewhere?
[01:56] <LameBMX> yea im more comfy in xchat
[01:56] <ForgeAus> the tab bar is very konquerorish :) I like that!
[01:56] <larson9999> ForgeAus: oh, i thought you wanted something more like mirc.  you can have tabs show as tabs in xchat.  i do in fact
[01:56] <LameBMX> last time i played around with nix .. i just ran mirc in wine
[01:56] <ForgeAus> I mightinstall mirc into my crossover office! lol see h ow it goes
[01:56] <ForgeAus> LameBMX yeah that was my next trick
[01:57] <LameBMX> runs really good too ..  but lots o scripts get borked
[01:57] <ForgeAus> I better upgrade my IE to ie6sp1
[01:57] <larson9999> but mirc isn't much to write home about imho
[01:57] <larson9999> and surely you paid for it?  or did it finally go 'free' as in free beer?
[01:58] <LameBMX> larson9999, mirc no ... its scripting abilities and documentation for that scripting is though
[01:58] <ForgeAus> hehe it'd be fun to se ie7 in Linux! rofl
[01:58] <stdin> depends on what you call "fun" :P
[01:58] <ForgeAus> um it didn't go free
[01:58] <ForgeAus> has a register dialog on it
[01:58] <ForgeAus> but I hav never actually registered it
[01:58] <larson9999> LameBMX: scripting?  i think there's plenty of that in linux clients.  just have to get acclimated
[01:59] <LameBMX> vista was nice ... then i ran across some vid of beryl ... and subsequently i switched to nix
[01:59] <ForgeAus> hybrid-IRC is an interesting windows IRC client
[01:59] <crube> Where can I change firefox to be the default browser when opening links in IRC for example?
[01:59] <larson9999> ForgeAus: oh, well, shame on you.
[01:59] <ForgeAus> although something like DOT-IRC or KLIENT are (although non-free again) more complete
[01:59] <LameBMX> larson9999, yea ... but the documentation just isnt there ... mirc scripting is just really well documented
[01:59] <Teh_Roxor> Which is better, Beryl of Compiz?
[01:59] <ForgeAus> larson don't tell me you don't do the same stuff... keep using it until it forces you to pay
[02:00] <Teh_Roxor> I'm running beryl, and me like
[02:00] <genii> I just heard of a tiny browser called dillo   has anyone seen this and is it any good?
[02:00] <LameBMX> i havent played with compiz yet
[02:00] <stdin> Teh_Roxor: compiz is considered more "stable" (as in it's not updated as often), but it also has less effects
[02:00] <ForgeAus> LameBMX that is lame! contemplating Vista then switching to *nix just because of beryl!
[02:00] <ForgeAus> ok what are .so files?
[02:01] <Teh_Roxor> I tried Compiz a while ago and it it was buggy as hell, but it really was back when it was new
[02:01] <stdin> ForgeAus: they are like windows .dll
[02:01] <larson9999> ForgeAus: not since my commodore days.  but these days, with all the foss options, i think piracy is an exceptionally bad character flaw.
[02:02] <ForgeAus> why in the freespire distro theres a dri module under usr/X11R6/lib directory and my kubuntu doesn't have that? shouldn't my fglrx (ati radeon?) have installed that?
[02:03] <ForgeAus> larson I'm not sure why its called piracy, but technically what I do is software steeling, I never alter programs unless I NEED to and even then I rarely look for other alternatives or even decided to get rid of it instead..
[02:03] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, who said contemplating vista ... i had rtm installed for like 3 months ... and ive dabbled with nix before ...
[02:04] <ForgeAus> of course configuration isn't included in that...
[02:04] <larson9999> ForgeAus: not since my commodore days.  but these days, with all the foss options, i think software stealing is an exceptionally bad character flaw.
[02:04] <waylandbill> there's nothing that I want to do that I can't do with free open software
[02:04] <larson9999> ForgeAus: how's that?
[02:04] <larson9999> :)
[02:04] <ForgeAus> because configuration is software altering... its just altering in a way it was intended to be altered
[02:05] <ForgeAus> (altering the installation YOU get is imho true piracy)
[02:06] <larson9999> ForgeAus: 	the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy.
[02:06] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, what if you have to alter an installation to make it work with your machine how you want it to
[02:07] <ForgeAus> I've never had any software like that before LameBMX
[02:07] <LameBMX> i have ... win xp pro .. and ubuntu ...
[02:07] <larson9999> ForgeAus: at any rate, stretch your wings a bit and dump all of your stolen software.  it's liberating.
[02:07] <ForgeAus> but if I find some I tend to give it a miss or find some alternate solution
[02:08] <ForgeAus> larson, I intend to someday
[02:08] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, fakeraid controller :/ they are a pain
[02:08] <larson9999> ForgeAus: and take the cable splitter from your neighbors house down.
[02:08] <ForgeAus> um we don't have cable in our area
[02:08] <ForgeAus> (well not proper cable)
[02:08] <ForgeAus> Telstra  havn't laid it...
[02:09] <LameBMX> though i was thinkin about patchin dmraid into the kernal
[02:09] <larson9999> ForgeAus: extension cord from his house?
[02:09] <larson9999> :)
[02:09] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure if I've heard of any cable-splitting in Australia... its an interesting idea tho :)
[02:09] <LameBMX> should cut boot error messages in about half during boot up ... keeps givin read errors on the devices in the array till it loads up dmraid
[02:09] <ForgeAus> extension! rofl! um wheres the nearest cable point I guess I'd need to find? what if its Kilometers or further away?
[02:10] <ForgeAus> theres always the choice of the non-standard cable company Neighbourhood cable
[02:10] <ForgeAus> but thats not so good
[02:10] <LameBMX> oh man ... its 12f outside ...
[02:10] <Jucato> !offtopic
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[02:10] <ForgeAus> that sounds cold
[02:11] <enaut> hi guys
[02:11] <ForgeAus> (I consider neighbourhood cable improper cable tho)
[02:11] <waylandbill> I had -3F at 3AM this morning
[02:12] <ForgeAus> (plus its a ripoff, you can get cheaper ADSL plans with better service)
[02:12] <ForgeAus> is 0F the same as 0C?
[02:12] <stdin> nope
[02:12] <larson9999> topic nazis!! time to make the doughnuts.  seeya
[02:12] <waylandbill> 0C = 32F
[02:12] <martin__> I need some help! I have a swedish keyboard connected to my computer, and yesterday i started fideling with the country/redgion settings and everything went wrong. First my keyboard changed to XkbLayout EN so i had an english keyboard, whis was not a huge problem. I hade made a backup of my xorg.conf file so i had a look and the only differens betwene the backup and the original was that XkbLayout had changed from se to en. XkbModel was
[02:12] <martin__> the same, pc105. So i changed XkbLayout back to se saved logged out and restarted Xserver. When i was to log in again i have full functionallity with swedish letters and layout in the login window. But once i got logged in the keyboard stopped working. Allt the numbers and caps lock and other function keys work but not any of the letters. So i went to the country region settings and chaged it back to en and it started working again, but as
[02:12] <martin__> an english keyboard this time. Are there more configuration files than xorg.conf that i have to edit in order to change keyboard layout or does any one know the reason for this problem. Please help!
[02:12] <ForgeAus> so 12f is less than 0!
[02:12] <Jucato> !pastebin | martin__
[02:12] <ubotu> martin__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:12] <LameBMX> ForgeAus, well under 0c
[02:13] <stdin> -11.111r (to be exact)
[02:13] <ForgeAus> Lame yeah thats what I meant
[02:13] <ForgeAus> I think in celsius I dunno much about Farenheit scale
[02:13] <ForgeAus> whats r?
[02:13] <waylandbill> it was -20C at my house this morning. brr.
[02:13] <stdin> recurring
[02:13] <ForgeAus> I know Kelvin is basically same as Celsius but -215 or so degrees!
[02:13] <Jucato> !offtopic | ForgeAus
[02:13] <larson9999> speaking of keyboards.  if you have a multimedia keyboard.  try touchkey, it's VERY easy and nice.
[02:13] <ubotu> ForgeAus: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:14] <ForgeAus> ie 0 Kelvin  known as "Absolute Zero" is -215 or so Celsius
[02:14] <ForgeAus> which means 215 Kelvin = 0 celsius or something like that...
[02:14] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, 0 K = -273,16 ?C
[02:14] <genii> Yeah -273
[02:14] <ForgeAus> 270+ ok more than I thought but ok your prolly right
[02:14] <LameBMX> currently -273.15 ... though that can change
[02:15] <ForgeAus> my memory isn't what it used to b
[02:15] <larson9999> lol
[02:15] <ForgeAus> eek I sound lik eI'm an old fogey!
[02:15] <waylandbill> 0K = -459.67F
[02:15] <ForgeAus> I'm only 31!
[02:15] <LameBMX> okay .16 my memory has faded a lil ... cant really have an exact figure till someone stops all molecular motion
[02:15] <ForgeAus> its just a LONG time since I did Kelvin stuff
[02:15] <waylandbill> google converts all those.
[02:15] <Jucato> can everyone discussing temperatures take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:15] <martin__> I need some help! I have a swedish keyboard connected to my computer, and yesterday i started fideling with the country/redgion settings and everything went wrong. First my keyboard changed to XkbLayout EN so i had an english keyboard, whis was not a huge problem.
[02:16] <martin__> I hade made a backup of my xorg.conf file so i had a look and the only differens betwene the backup and the original was that XkbLayout had changed from se to en. XkbModel was the same, pc105. So i changed XkbLayout back to se saved logged out and restarted Xserver. When i was to log in again i have full functionallity with swedish letters and layout in the login window.
[02:16] <martin__> ut once i got logged in the keyboard stopped working. Allt the numbers and caps lock and other function keys work but not any of the letters. So i went to the country region settings and chaged it back to en and it started working again, but as an english keyboard this time.
[02:16] <martin__> Are there more configuration files than xorg.conf that i have to edit in order to change keyboard layout or does any one know the reason for this problem. Please help!
[02:17] <HymnToLife> martin__, nope, only your xorg.conf is enough
[02:17] <Jucato> !se
[02:17] <ubotu> Svensk Ubuntu- och Kubuntusupport hittar du pa #ubuntu-se resp. #kubuntu-se
[02:18] <Jucato> martin__: those guys might know ^^^^
[02:18] <Dell-Net> system>settings>keyboard ?
[02:18] <HymnToLife> martin__, could you pastebin your xorg.conf ?
[02:19] <martin__> HymnToLife: yeah sure, just have to figure out how the pastebin works..
[02:19] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[02:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[02:19] <HymnToLife> go there, paste your text, click Send, voil? :)
[02:19] <endo602> when i mount bind,,,, does it last forever?>
[02:19] <HymnToLife> if you set it in fstab, yes
[02:20] <HymnToLife> if not, it will be lost at next reboot
[02:20] <endo602> how do i set a bind in fstab?
[02:20] <endo602> can you give me an example
[02:20] <endo602> with all permissions in tact
[02:20] <ForgeAus> is there a way to simply cange a partition type from blank to FAT? (um and which one is it thats limited to 2 gig fat16 or fa32?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> eh no I can't, it's been ages since I used binds
[02:21] <ForgeAus> coz thats the one one of my partitions that um... vanished... is
[02:21] <HymnToLife> but it should be fairly easy to find in google
[02:21] <ForgeAus> its supposed to be part of my extended DOS partition
[02:21] <martin__> HymnToLife: so now that i have hit paste in the pastbin what do i do?
[02:21] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, FAT16 is the one limited to 2 GiB
[02:21] <ForgeAus> well dos/win98 really
[02:21] <ForgeAus> yup then thats the one
[02:21] <HymnToLife> martin__, you paste here the URL that gives you
[02:22] <Jucato> martin__: post the URL/link here
[02:22] <ForgeAus> somehow my extended partition decided to forget it had 2 gig of fat16 on the end of it
[02:22] <stdin> endo602: bind example "/media/device/subdir    /home/me/dirname  none    bind    0       0"
[02:22] <martin__> HymnToLife: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2972/
[02:22] <ForgeAus> can I simply change the partition table to reflect it (before I start trying to recover data)
[02:22] <endo602> stdin thanks
[02:22] <stdin> np :)
[02:22] <genii> endo602 http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Bind_A_Directory_In_FSTAB
[02:22] <endo602> i got screwed on last reboot
[02:23] <Jucato> HymnToLife: mind if I join your lecture? I can't seem to get Compose (international/accented characters) to work either...
[02:23] <ForgeAus> its not all that important but I'd rather not wipe it if I don't absolutely HAVE to
[02:23] <HymnToLife> martin__, maybe the "pc105" model is not "compatible" with se layout, try commenting that line out
[02:24] <HymnToLife> (line48)
[02:24] <HymnToLife> Jucato, what kind of keyboard do you have ?
[02:24] <ForgeAus> does anyone know if microsoft .NET framework works under wine?
[02:24] <martin__> HymnToLife: but pc105 is what i used earlier and that worked, got that from my xorg.conf.backup that i made..
[02:24] <ForgeAus> normally you need mono right?
[02:24] <Jucato> HymnToLife: 104, afaik
[02:25] <ForgeAus> (does kde/qt have a mono-develop equivalent?)
[02:25] <HymnToLife> Jucato, yeah but I mean, what layout ?
[02:25] <stdin> ForgeAus: people in #winehq should know
[02:25] <Jucato> HymnToLife: ah en_us
[02:25] <HymnToLife> martin__, if you have a working xorg.conf, why don't you use it ?
[02:25] <HymnToLife> Jucato, you don't have accented characters on them, do you ?
[02:26] <Jucato> HymnToLife: not a single one
[02:26] <Jucato> HymnToLife: but martin__ first :)
[02:26] <HymnToLife> then no wonder you can't use them I guess
[02:26] <martin__> HymnToLife: pus that the keyboard works in the login window. I have made some changes to my monitor and graphics card settings since i did the backup so i dont want to over write it..
[02:27] <HymnToLife> martin__, if it works in KDM, then your xorg.conf is configured okay
[02:27] <HymnToLife> did you change the layout in KDE ?
[02:27] <Jucato> HymnToLife: before, I could use the compose key to enter accented characters, like Compose key+~+n = 
[02:29] <martin__> HymnToLife: Yes, the change I made that screwed eveyting up was in the sytem settings in KDE. But doesent that settings dialouge just change the xorg.conf settings in its turn?
[02:30] <HymnToLife> martin__, no, it overrides your xorg.conf setting but doesn't change it
[02:30] <HymnToLife> it changes the layout just for you, while xorg.conf sets it system-wide
[02:31] <HymnToLife> so just disable the keyboard layout in KDE, you will get the xorg.conf settings back
[02:31] <genii> I have several usb storage devices. I want to somehow assign each particular one with a static device designation. For instance the usb key will always be sda and the hard drive will always be sdb and the card reader will always be sdc no matter if I have any mix of them plugged in or not. Any way to accomplish this?
[02:32] <crube> What is the directory where all the wallpapers are in?
[02:32] <HymnToLife> Jucato, yep, same problem here. Actually, the ~ key on the keyboard doesn't work but I have another key doing that
[02:32] <HymnToLife> don't know why, but I never use the ~ anyway
[02:32] <stdin> crube: /usr/share/wallpapers/
[02:32] <martin__> HymnToLife: i have disabled it and im logging out and restarting the xserver to se if t works.. brb
[02:32] <crube> Thanks
[02:32] <Jucato> HymnToLife: but that's just one example.. other keys don't work either... :(
[02:33] <stdin> genii: have you asked in #ubuntu yet ?
[02:33] <HymnToLife> Jucato, like ` ? ^ ?
[02:33] <genii> stdin not yet...thx I'll give it a shot
[02:33] <Jucato> HymnToLife: yeah, `+character... no go
[02:33] <HymnToLife> funny, they work here and my xorg.conf is as untouched as one can be
[02:34] <Jucato> HymnToLife: could you pastebin yours for me? :D
[02:34] <HymnToLife> sure
[02:36] <martin__> HymnToLife: It workes thank for the help! and I lerned something new as usual!
[02:36] <HymnToLife> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2974/
[02:36] <Jucato> HymnToLife: thanks
[02:37] <ForgeAus> someone should make a lincoco or linaqua and counterparts wincoco/winaqua for MacOSX software to install into Windows/Linux OS's lol
[02:38] <ForgeAus> then you could have either Windows + Cygwin + Winaqua or  Linux + Wine + Linaqua either running VMWare to "nest" install the other :)
[02:38] <ForgeAus> rofl
[02:39] <endo602> HymnToLife, when i bind folders will it automatically bind subdirs?
[02:40] <HymnToLife> endo602, yes
[02:40] <endo602> thanks
[02:40] <endo602> i edited the fstab
[02:40] <endo602> hopefully everything will work now
[02:40] <HymnToLife> just mount it manually
[02:40] <HymnToLife> and then add it in /etc/fstab whaen it suits you
[02:42] <ForgeAus> mmmm yum
[02:42] <ForgeAus> konqueror is awesome with java-popups
[02:42] <ForgeAus> asks you if you want to open it or not
[02:42] <ForgeAus> at least on my install it did
[02:43] <ForgeAus> might have tweaked it since install tho
[02:43] <ForgeAus> still I like that I get choice
[02:44] <sb9> is there an equivalent to ntpd for ubuntu ? cannot find ntpd by aptitude search
[02:45] <stdin> !info openntpd
[02:45] <ubotu> openntpd: OpenBSD NTP daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.9p1-3 (edgy), package size 41 kB, installed size 168 kB
[02:46] <waylandbill> interesting. aptitude search shows openntpd here
[02:47] <sb9> thx
[02:49] <ana> :)
[02:49] <ForgeAus> is the mosaic web browser still going?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> hmm also archie?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> and um... gopher protocol, any gophers still about?
[02:50] <ForgeAus> (this is a timewarp rewind into my internet entry-level... long ago)
[02:51] <waylandbill> there's less than 1000 gophers as of 2006. :-D
[02:52] <ForgeAus> lol
[02:52] <waylandbill> oh.. THATS why... vista dropped all gopher support.. ROFL!
[02:52] <ForgeAus> I found it cumbersome but I think gopher really has its uses, I wouldn't be suprised to see a comeback on menu-driven internet! like gopher is/was
[02:52] <wimpies> HI all, when I insert an audio CD in my second CD player, amarok is not able to play that CD.  It does play from the first.  What might be wrong
[02:52] <genii> Yeah you can still download mosaic from ncsa
[02:53] <ForgeAus> ie7+ doesn't have gopher?
[02:53] <ForgeAus> I know ie6sp1 did
[02:53] <genii> Tho after microsoft used the mosaic engine for ie4 they stopped development on it
[02:53] <ForgeAus> I think dropping it was premature (in their view probaly overdue .. its been a long time but like I said I think it has its place)
[02:54] <waylandbill> wimpies: the audio cable to your sound card is hooked to the first drive maybe?
[02:54] <wimpies> waylandbill : probably but amarok reports an error about a plugin being bad or missing to URL cdda:/1  what does that mean ?
[02:55] <waylandbill> maybe the drive isn't reading the disc well
[02:56] <ForgeAus> ahh yes veronica
[02:56] <ForgeAus> archie was an ftp search engine right?
[02:56] <ForgeAus> veronica I never really undestood what that was
[02:56] <waylandbill> IE6 was patched in 2002 to fix a gopher security hole... it disabled gopher entirely.
[02:57] <sfpavel> how do i make a partition bigger?
[02:57] <genii> veronica was an indexing spider for gopher sites. One of the first spider-type programs around
[02:57] <ForgeAus> pavel, grow it!
[02:57] <sfpavel> ?
[02:57] <ForgeAus> ok genii I've heard of spiders seen lots of them probably USED lots of them but I'm not sure what they actually are!
[02:58] <ForgeAus> sfpavel its called growing a partition you can use qtparted to do it!
[02:58] <jeffto> hello
[02:58] <stdin> spiders crawl the web :P
[02:58] <ForgeAus> if you have it installed
[02:58] <sfpavel> thnx..thought u mwere making fun of me
[02:58] <sfpavel> :P
[02:58] <genii> ForgeAus: Sort of like benevolent worms LOL
[02:58] <ForgeAus> hehe stdin like webcrawler :)
[02:58] <waylandbill> GopherVR... 3d gopher
[02:58] <ForgeAus> rofl genii!
[02:59] <waylandbill> gparted live cd is the way to go for partitioning.
[02:59] <ForgeAus> how do they find things? do they have some kind of list of where to look?
[02:59] <ForgeAus> gparted is kewl
[02:59] <genii> before google webcrawler rocked
[02:59] <jeffto> Yesterday I upgrady my kubuntu dapper to edgy, but when I restart X system don't work, I have install xserver-xorg but nope kubuntu continue without Graphical System
[02:59] <ForgeAus> as good if not better than partition magic!
[02:59] <waylandbill> way better.
[03:00] <ForgeAus> jeffto? you have a x-less kubuntu! thats very strange!
[03:00] <waylandbill> friends look at me wierd when I tell them to use it for win32 stuff. They are baffled that linux does windows paritioning.
[03:00] <jeffto> yes :(
[03:00] <ForgeAus> isi t just me or is the dapper -> edgy update dangerous?
[03:01] <stdin> jeffto: are you sure everything is installed properly, eg the "xserver-xorg-driver-*" packages changed to "xserver-xorg-video-*"
[03:01] <ForgeAus> the same thing isn't likely to happen to fiesty too is it?
[03:01] <Jucato> jeffto: when you try run "startx" in the command line, what error messages do you get?
[03:01] <jeffto> let me show
[03:01] <genii> ForgeAus Several ppl have lost functioning of USB devices and some wireless issues so far that I know of with the dapper->edgy
[03:02] <ForgeAus> um genii how would one go accessing wireless via a router thats wired to their local system.. ie no wireless card exactly
[03:02] <waylandbill> I use the cd to upgrade manually and install what I need. But then I did keep my /home seperate.
[03:02] <ForgeAus> (I have a wireless HP multifunction it'd be interesting to try it under linux)
[03:03] <ForgeAus> it finds the router fine, but how does my computer find it?
[03:03] <matt0507> stdin: what is the console command to kill adept? it froze on me
[03:03] <ForgeAus> (it works for my dad's pc under WinXP (my winxp never did but that was a broken install.... that I toyed with untill it completely died)
[03:03] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | matt0507
[03:03] <ubotu> matt0507: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[03:03] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: it's just like a regular ethernet if you've hard wired into the router.
[03:03] <stdin> matt0507: you should just Ctrl-Alt-Esc and click on it
[03:04] <genii> ForgeAus: You mean you have a wap attached by rj45 to the one system and another wap to the modem elsewhere?
[03:04] <stdin> matt0507: then run that command
[03:04] <Jucato> stdin: er... Adept? you won't be able to do that
[03:04] <ForgeAus> um ok how do I install a multifunction printer via regular ethernet?
[03:04] <matt0507> ty all
[03:04] <ForgeAus> um wap? not sure what wap is
[03:04] <stdin> Jucato: why not?
[03:04] <genii> ForgeAus: wap=wireless accesspoint read:wireless router
[03:04] <waylandbill> ethernet printer or usb printer?
[03:05] <Jucato> stdin: oh nvm ehehe
[03:05] <stdin> :)
[03:05] <matt0507> ahh never mind, i think i tried ctrl alt esc , and it unfroze for some weird reason
[03:05] <Jucato> stdin: xkill works on apps run by root?
[03:05] <waylandbill> genii: when you said wap I thought you were talking about encryption keys.
[03:05] <ForgeAus> I have a DI-524 router that I"m directly connected to, its a wireless D-Link router
[03:05] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[03:06] <ForgeAus> so I guess its an ethernet printer to my computer but the printer itself connects to the router wirelessly
[03:06] <genii> waylandbill: Yeah wep vs wap :)
[03:06] <waylandbill> :)
[03:06] <Jucato> stdin: oh ok... for some reason, I only saw "Ctrl+Esc" and missed the "Alt" in your reply :P
[03:06] <andreasw> re
[03:06] <matt0507> how do i get youtube to work on FF? i've java-5, java-plugin but still not work, maybe i need additional library or something?
[03:06] <waylandbill> except wap = wireless application protocol.
[03:07] <ForgeAus> um I think it has wep
[03:07] <stdin> matt0507: you probably need flash
[03:07] <Amigunas> hi all
[03:07] <stdin> matt0507: specifically flash 9
[03:07] <genii> ForgeAus: Does the system attached to the router get some IP?
[03:07] <Amigunas> hi Jucato
[03:07] <Amigunas> ;)
[03:07] <Jucato> Amigunas: what kind of "does not support"?
[03:07] <ForgeAus> genii yes its DHCP
[03:07] <Jucato> Amigunas: trying to burn MP3's as Audio CD's?
[03:07] <Amigunas> The exact sentence is:
[03:07] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: you are connected to the router and have an ip. The printer should as well.
[03:08] <ForgeAus> 10.10.0.1 is the localnet
[03:08] <Amigunas> Unable to handle the following files due to an unsupported format:
[03:08] <Amigunas> and then there is a list of all the MP3's
[03:08] <ForgeAus> wayland it doesn't show up in the DHCP list
[03:08] <Amigunas> I think this will be some copyright restriction
[03:08] <Jucato> Amigunas: trying to burn MP3's as Audio CD's?
[03:08] <Amigunas> yes
[03:08] <Amigunas> this normally works
[03:08] <genii> ForgeAus: What waylandbill said.
[03:08] <Jucato> !libk3b2-mp3 | Amigunas
[03:08] <ubotu> libk3b2-mp3: The KDE cd burning application library - MP3 decoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.12.17-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 37 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:08] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: then maybe it isn't connected to the router.
[03:08] <Jucato> Amigunas: you need to install that
[03:08] <ForgeAus> it has to be
[03:09] <Amigunas> Thank you very much!
[03:09] <ForgeAus> like I said it can only be connected to there to work on my dad's PC
[03:09] <waylandbill> can you get the status from the printer, like does it have a readout screen?
[03:09] <jeffto> Jucato, is complety insane, if I make "startx" from root it start X, but if I do from my normal user nope
[03:09] <ForgeAus> I had to set up the Wireless passphrase on the printer to connect to it but after that it all just magically worked
[03:09] <jeffto> and isn't working kdm
[03:09] <genii> ForgeAus: The printer should also then be getting an IP. So something like tcp/ip printing port eg: remote printer
[03:09] <waylandbill> so you can get the ip from it
[03:10] <Jucato> jeffto: please check the error messages that you get when try startx as normal user.
[03:10] <genii> what used to be called "jetdirect port" in windoze
[03:10] <waylandbill> because then you can use the kde printer dialog to connect to it.
[03:10] <ForgeAus> um how do I get the printers IP?
[03:10] <ForgeAus> shouldn't DHCP have handed it one?
[03:10] <jeffto> ok
[03:10] <ForgeAus> if so why isn't it on the list of DHCP requested IP's
[03:10] <jeffto> Fatal server error
[03:10] <ForgeAus> (that the router stores)
[03:10] <Jucato> jeffto: then?
[03:10] <jeffto> server is already active for display 0
[03:11] <jeffto> XIO: fatal IO error 104
[03:11] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: does the printer have a readout screen that you can use to get the ip?
[03:11] <genii> ForgeAus: Possibly the printer has been set to some static IP by way of it's local controls. Will be on the same range as the router however
[03:11] <Jucato> jeffto: have you tried rebooting? it seems that X is already up at display 0 (the default)
[03:11] <waylandbill> ForgeAus: it could be that the printer is statically assigned
[03:12] <Jucato> jeffto: try this: reboot normally, then once you get to the login prompt, login as normal user, then run "startx".
[03:12] <ForgeAus> wayland if it is I didn't set that up
[03:12] <ForgeAus> how do I find the printers IP then?
[03:12] <waylandbill> some devices will look for a subnet and assign themselves an address.. so that it never changes because of an expired lease.
[03:12] <genii> ForgeAus: On the XP box what port does it say the printer is on? default port for tcp/ip printers in XP/2K is the IP address
[03:12] <waylandbill> consult the manual for the printer.\
[03:13] <ForgeAus> actually it MIGHT b
[03:13] <ForgeAus> theres 2 clients on DHCP list that don't have names
[03:13] <ForgeAus> they might be the printer right?
[03:13] <genii> ForgeAus: Quite possibly, yes
[03:13] <ForgeAus> (it'd be nice if I could give it a hostname)
[03:13] <ForgeAus> (so I could identify it)
[03:13] <waylandbill> could be. may not have registered a host name
[03:13] <jeffto> Jucato, I going to try this right now
[03:14] <ForgeAus> thats interesting, it never occurred to me that it could have been one of them!
[03:14] <waylandbill> The manual should tell easily how to look up the ip right at the printer.
[03:14] <ForgeAus> yeah I can hook it up in windows easy the software does it automatically
[03:14] <waylandbill> as a linux user you can't have the excuse that you don't want to read it. :-P
[03:14] <ForgeAus> it just seems to know how/where to look!
[03:15] <jeffto> Jucato, when I close root X session I'm getting a kde fail message
[03:15] <waylandbill> the windows driver may have been programmed specifically to look for certain things.. could be broadcasting mDNS for all we know.
[03:16] <ForgeAus> probably was
[03:17] <matt0507> ok this is really stupid, i typed in FF about:plugins and flash is there, everything is enbaled etc etc.. yet site such as youtube, isketch.net still doesnt work for me... dont know what to do anymore :(
[03:17] <genii> I thin it probes the standard tcp/ip printing port numbers, like 515 (lpd),631 (standard tcp printing)and 9100 for most HP
[03:17] <ForgeAus> aww I wish XMMS had a AVS plugin!
[03:17] <ForgeAus> (visualization one that WinAMP has)
[03:17] <genii> HP normally broadcast on x.x.x.255 port 9100 so you know they are there
[03:19] <waylandbill> my HP is usb, so I it hooked up and then my cups shared it. went easy
[03:19] <Jucato> matt0507: what version of flash is installed?
[03:19] <ForgeAus> XMMS could be way better... comparing it to current WinAMP the Video with input/output plugins could be added (I mean it has a plugin but it didn't seem to kick in for me)... or something that channels a player like VLC?
[03:19] <ForgeAus> wayland mine has USB and parallel and ethernet ports
[03:19] <ForgeAus> but its only "hooked up" to the wireless router
[03:19] <ForgeAus> (because its in a different room)
[03:20] <genii> waylandbill I have an ancient HP 4M Plus here which uses an ethernet jack but it doesn't do dhcp, you have to statically assignt he IP and so on
[03:20] <genii> cups worked fine with it over the wired network
[03:20] <matt0507> Jucato: i've just downloaded flash9 and followed the instruction on this site:http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I'd like a Wireless mouse with a USB dock (whcih soule probably be more like a USB mouse that connects to a docking station wirelessly)
[03:21] <Jucato> matt0507: are any other flash sites working? btw, Flash 9 is available in our repositories
[03:23] <matt0507> Jucato: how do i test that? annway after following instruction on that page i get this messaage: Mozilla installation directory  = /home/matthew/.mozilla >,< prob wrong directory?
[03:24] <Jucato> matt0507: I'm not really sure as I haven't tried installing flash from outside sources
[03:24] <jeffto> Jucato, there was a trouble /tmp/X0-lock
[03:24] <Jucato> matt0507: try testing it on other web pages that have flash
[03:24] <jeffto> i erase this file and finally X start I going to reboot to see what happend
[03:24] <matt0507> Jucato:  i try searching for flash i adept but dont see 'flash 9' only see plugin though, free and nonfree.
[03:25] <Jucato> matt0507: flashplugin-nonfree
[03:25] <Jucato> !flash9 | matt0507
[03:25] <ubotu> matt0507: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:25] <matt0507> !backports
[03:25] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[03:34] <matt0507> i just updated sources.list to included backports, and upgraded flash-nonfree plugin now everythign works fine, ty guys much appreciated :D
[03:35] <Jucato> :)
[03:35] <genii> Yodude http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html
[03:36] <genii> sorry wrong channel :)
[03:39] <matt0507> !beryl
[03:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[03:45] <dropsl> hi
[03:46] <dropsl> since KDE 3.5.6 my ALT_R key does not work anymore... so i cant do backslashes and at symbols... (with my german keyboard...) does anyone know how to correct this? :)
[03:47] <_AnA_> in keyboard
[03:47] <dropsl> im back
[03:48] <Jack111> hi
[03:50] <waylandbill> Jack111: hi
[03:50] <Jack111> i have the problem after an upgrad to edgy that i cannot login anymore graphically, in the console it tells me:xf860openserial error opening device /dev/wacon,called,
[03:50] <Jack111>  refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing
[03:51] <Jack111> anyone any idea?
[03:51] <waylandbill> I have the wacon device disabled in the xorg.conf, but i wouldn't think that would keep you out of x entirely.
[03:53] <Jack111> so what should i do to login in future?
[03:53] <Jack111> FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[03:53] <Jack111> it says something like that
[03:54] <Jack111> with the frefontpath
[03:54] <stdin> font errors won't stop X, check for other errors
[03:55] <Jucato> try running startx and see the errors that it gives
[03:55] <stdin> or just check the log file
[03:55] <Jack111> it gives me the error /dav/wacom failed and refcount is 2, should be 1
[03:56] <Jack111> where is the logfile in kubuntu?
[03:57] <stdin>  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:00] <eeos> hi there. do you know of any tool for reverse enginnering databases, which can extract the ERD or the class diagram froma  database?
[04:00] <sistemas> Hi everybody
[04:00] <sistemas> I downloaded the binary of super mario war
[04:01] <sistemas> But I can't run it
[04:01] <akrus> what the hell with eA?
[04:01] <akrus> @-commands not working!
[04:01] <akrus> I'm level 99 in database ~_~
[04:01] <waylandbill> sistemas: missing deps?
[04:02] <dataman> hello
[04:02] <Jack111> hi its here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2977/
[04:02] <akrus> is GM_account required then?
[04:02] <stdin> sistemas: you probably need an emulator
[04:02] <dataman> who try here to run hi ubuntu as a gateway?
[04:02] <akrus> oops
[04:02] <akrus> wrong channel xD
[04:02] <dataman> who try here to run ubuntu as a gateway? i m trying it and i m lock
[04:03] <Jack111> stdin jucato its here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2977/
[04:03] <sistemas> no I guess I must to make a link with a shared library
[04:03] <sistemas> I tried to run in my desktop
[04:04] <stdin> Jack111: can you post your xorg.conf
[04:05] <matt0507> !beryl
[04:05] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[04:06] <waylandbill> I can think of better ways to describe beryl and none are good. :-)
[04:06] <stdin> beryl is just a bunch of 3d effects
[04:07] <eeos> stdin waylandbill what on earth is beryl? it has been mentioned in the kde 3.5.6 announcement.
[04:07] <waylandbill> it's a window manager, but it's lacking in features other wm's have... cause it's still early in development
http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2978/ but i got three or four different xorg confs, is that the problem?
[04:08] <stdin> eeos: it's 3D desktop effects: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8668797260936502626
[04:08] <stdin> Jack111: only the one called /etc/X11/xorg.conf will be used
[04:08] <eeos> stdin waylandbill doing some 3D effect? native?
[04:09] <waylandbill> well.. you can close a window and have it engulf in flames..
[04:09] <stdin> eeos: beryl is just the effects, AIGLX or XGL is what enables the effects
[04:09] <Jack111> stdin should i delete the others?i have got xorg, xorg.conf, xorg.conf.20060628164708, xorg.conf.custom
[04:10] <stdin> Jack111: you don't have to, they are just backups
[04:10] <eeos> waylandbill wow, could not wait for it. And what is the use?
[04:10] <ScarFreewill> can some one tell me how to install Segoe fonts? i tried installing mscorefonts but it doesn't help
[04:10] <waylandbill> you can also drag and drop and blow up the entire desktop.. real useful. :-)
[04:10] <Jack111> ok, does the conf thing create the problem? do i need to edit it?stdin
[04:11] <waylandbill> it's just eye candy.. not really much use in my book.
[04:11] <stdin> Jack111: you can create a new one with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:11] <Jucato> eye candy usefulness is subjective... let's keep it at that
[04:12] <Jack111> stdin the it should work you mean?
[04:12] <stdin> Jack111: well it will create a new one, like it was after the install
[04:12] <waylandbill> I guess showing my friends the strength of my video card would be a good use. :-D
[04:12] <eeos> right. like let's surprise the customers? I could see the use of that. Of course, resources are not a problem, are they?
[04:12] <Jack111> i think i did that and it i still couldn tlogin
[04:12] <Jack111> however i try again thanksy
[04:13] <waylandbill> it'll be a nice product when complete, but there is still many things we expect from a wm that are lacking yet
[04:13] <eeos> any other wm able to do all of that native?
[04:14] <LjL> eeos: where's beryl mentioned for kde 3.5.6?
[04:14] <waylandbill> compiz is where it forked from but doesn't have the wild effects.
[04:14] <Jucato> LjL: annoucnement page
[04:15] <LjL> Jucato: of KDE not Kubuntu i suppose?
[04:15] <Jucato> but actually it was Compiz, not Beryl
[04:15] <Jucato> LjL: yep. KDE
[04:15] <LjL> Jucato: aaah indeed
[04:15] <LjL> i noticed compiz, but didn't see a mention of beryl
[04:15] <waylandbill> the scrolling to un/hide yakuake is enough for me.
[04:15] <eeos> waylandbill compiz does the same as beryl?
[04:15] <waylandbill> not entirely.
[04:15] <LjL> eeos: about it, yes
[04:15] <waylandbill> similar
[04:16] <eeos> the difference?
[04:16] <stdin> beryl has more bling
[04:16] <stdin> (more effects)
[04:16] <sahin_w> compiz use gconf infrastructure
[04:16] <LjL> eeos: well, for as far as i'm concerned, the main difference is that Beryl doesn't have (many) GNOME dependencies
[04:16] <sahin_w> beryl has its own
[04:16] <waylandbill> they forked because compiz wasn't as concerned with the more dazzling effects as with the code base.
[04:16] <stdin> there was a compiz-kde package, but that died
[04:17] <eeos> so nothing really near to kde
[04:17] <jean-b> hi!
[04:17] <sahin_w> I feel beryl more KDE frindly.
[04:17] <LjL> stdin: unfortunate. though as far as i heard, compiz can now be used without gconf, though i might be mistaken about that
[04:17] <jean-b> I wish to install new fonts
[04:17] <LjL> if it will ever work with KDE decorations (aquamarine or whatever), i'll be happy
[04:17] <jean-b> what should i do?
[04:17] <LjL> Ubotu, tell jean-b about fonts | jean-b, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:18] <eeos> is there anything more kde friendly than these two?
[04:18] <jean-b> thanx!!
[04:18] <LjL> eeos: Beryl with Aquamarine is quite KDE friendly, though it still uses GTK
[04:18] <waylandbill> I don't know... KWin does what I need and is functional
[04:18] <LjL> however, it's not tremendously stable for me
[04:18] <sahin_w> Well my big problem with beryl is the kpager is going nuts if I fire up beryl
[04:18] <sahin_w> However there is a modified kpager
[04:18] <LjL> waylandbill: sure thing, however i wouldn't mind a shadow here and there, or windows that move with decent redraw times
[04:19] <eeos> waylandbill yes same here, just trying to understand the buzzwords
[04:19] <LeeJunFan> what happened to the color picker kicker applet? I found kcolorchooser, but I want the one that docks into kicker.
[04:19] <LjL> LeeJunFan: hmm haven't seen that one for a while
[04:19] <waylandbill> LjL: yeah.. I could agree with the redraw times for sure.
[04:20] <sahin_w> There is some promise the new kwin would introduce some compozite feature... just like beryl or compiz
[04:20] <ScarFreewill> how can i install Segoe fonts? i tried installing mscorefonts but it doesn't help
[04:20] <waylandbill> dragging a window usually makes the back end look like it's leaving a trail.
[04:20] <sahin_w> check this: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2651
[04:20] <LjL> waylandbill: well that can be fixed with Composite, too (as well as shadows), but that's not really quite stable either
[04:20] <LjL> i mean, KDE's use of it isn't
[04:21] <sahin_w> Yep, KDE own compozite thing currently very unstable for me.
[04:21] <stdin> !font
[04:21] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[04:22] <ForgeAus> does kubuntu-desktop depend on kdebase?
[04:22] <stdin> ForgeAus: no, not directly
[04:22] <eeos> sahin_w thanks for links.
[04:22] <sahin_w> Normaly I not use beryl (for work) however my 2 years old sun like the beryl effect a lot. ;-)
[04:22] <LjL> shadowraven: am i mistaken or is that talking about a KWin experimental branch that has effects in the vein of Comperyl?
[04:23] <ubuntu_> listc of mirrors?
[04:23] <LjL> sorry shadowraven, i meant sahin_w
[04:23] <ubuntu_> *list
[04:23] <LjL> !mirrors
[04:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[04:24] <ubuntu_> repository mirrors
[04:24] <sahin_w> Yes it's talking about the KWin experimental branch.
[04:24] <LjL> ubuntu_: if you mean mirrors for APT, it's usually just **.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:24] <LjL> ** being a country's abbreviation
[04:24] <sahin_w> However experimental today will turn to stable one day.
[04:24] <LjL> sahin_w: sheduled for inclusion for __?
[04:24] <LeeJunFan> LjL: found the color picker for kicker - it's in kicker-applets
[04:25] <ubuntu_> only one repository?
[04:25] <LjL> LeeJunFan: ouch, and i didn't have that installed? oh me
[04:25] <sahin_w> Maybe it will be the part of the KDE4. I guess.
[04:25] <LjL> ubuntu_: no
[04:25] <sahin_w> I mean the compozite thing.
[04:25] <LjL> ubuntu_: lots of repositories. **.archive.ubuntu.com - make the "**" into it, fr, de, es, se, and a lot other country abbreviations, and you get the mirror name for that country
[04:26] <ubuntu_> ah the site you linked it's a list of repository
[04:26] <LjL> ubuntu_: if my guess is correct that you're italian, i suggest using it.archive.ubuntu.com or se.archive.ubuntu.com (this is for sweden and usually fast)
[04:27] <ubuntu_> thanks you're very kind but how did u know i'm italian?
[04:27] <LjL> ubuntu_: type /whois ubuntu_
[04:27] <ubuntu_> ah yes
[04:27] <waylandbill> probably from your hostname
[04:28] <ubuntu_> you're italian too LjL :P
[04:28] <LjL> yes ;)
[04:28] <LjL> that's why i know the swedish mirror is fast for italy
[04:28] <waylandbill> :-)
[04:29] <waylandbill> anyone see yesterday's dilbert? it was priceless.
[04:29] <gdiebel> waylandbill: link?
[04:29] <eeos> waylandbill link?
[04:29] <sahin_w> +1
[04:30] <gdiebel> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/
[04:30] <waylandbill> http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070125.html
[04:30] <Morbo> woooo
[04:30] <Morbo> KDE 3.5.6
[04:31] <eeos> that is really funny :P
[04:31] <gdiebel> waylandbill: that is yesterday
[04:31] <sahin_w> Yes, that was fun.
[04:31] <waylandbill> that's the one that was funny
[04:31] <gdiebel> yeah sorry, misread
[04:32] <eeos> yesterday's was hilarious
[04:32] <gdiebel> we got that one from our branch office yesterday.
[04:33] <waylandbill> a few days ago when the alien first showed up and told asok that he's an alien with advanced knowledge was good too.
[04:33] <eeos> waylandbill lik?:P:)
[04:33] <eeos> waylandbill (lik was not alien language, was = link)
[04:34] <LjL> LeeJunFan: from the k-a description, "The media control applet does not support XMMS, as this would force all kicker-applets users to install XMMS" - does this make any sense? have they never heard of recommends? :o)
[04:35] <plamen> zdraveite
[04:35] <waylandbill> http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070123.html
[04:39] <hero93> how do i play mp3 files on kubuntu?
[04:40] <stdin> !mp3
[04:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:40] <Daskreech2> hero93: Try amarok
[04:40] <waylandbill> hero93: the quick and dirty is to attempt to play in amarok
[04:40] <waylandbill> it'll then guide you the rest of the way
[04:40] <stdin> ^ if you run edgy
[04:40] <waylandbill> stdin: correct. edgy.
[04:41] <hero93> i tried to install mp3 support on amarok but it doesn't works
[04:41] <Asl[a] n> how do i get the latest bleeding edge repos for kubuntu? i am specifically looking for amarok
[04:41] <stdin> Asl[a] n: you on edgy ?
[04:41] <Asl[a] n> yep.
[04:41] <gdiebel> Asl[a] n: kubuntu.org has 1.4.4. check amarok.kde.org for svn packages
[04:41] <stdin> Asl[a] n: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest/ edgy main
[04:42] <stdin> hero93: did you install libxine-extracodecs ?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> hero93: Want some help with that?
[04:43] <hero93> yes
[04:43] <hero93> so i don't understand nothing on the guide
[04:43] <DaSkreech> hero93: Where do you stop understanding ?
[04:44] <hero93> let me check if i installed libxine-extracodecs
[04:44] <extern> how can I check my disk for errors? I installed ext2 drivers for windows, it used to work fine, I could browse the files on windows, but suddenly it can't recognize the ext3 partition, when trying to access it through windows, it says that the drive is unformatted.
[04:44] <hatta> fdisk
[04:45] <hatta> can you still see the partition in windows?
[04:45] <slyfox> I just installed Kubuntu and I have ajva and flash installed, however this site http://www.newshutch.com/ refuses to work in firefox, it laods fine but when I click on somehting, nothing clicks, it works fine in Konqueror. Please help
[04:45] <extern> yes
[04:45] <hero93> wait package database is blocked i'll come later the basketball training see u soon
[04:45] <hatta> oh, then cfdisk
[04:45] <hatta> er
[04:45] <Asl[a] n> i do wonder how you folks come up with all the release names. lol. feisty herd :P - one day, i bet you'll run out of 'em cool names.
[04:45] <hatta> e2fsck
[04:46] <extern> the partition is actually ext3
[04:46] <extern> but it used to work fine with those ext2 drivers
[04:47] <matt0507> hwo should i update my systemt to recongise my ati video card (x300se) currently doesnt have openGL support
[04:47] <waylandbill> because ext3 is ext2 with journaling
[04:47] <matt0507> !ati
[04:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:49] <slyfox> matt0507: here you go http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:49] <extern> how can I schedule a disk check for when my computer is booting up?
[04:49] <stdin> slyfox: isn't that the nvidia one?
[04:49] <Jucato> extern: a partition is checked every 30th mount
[04:49] <Jucato> at bootup
[04:50] <extern> and how can I manually set it to be checked next tiem I boot?
[04:50] <stdin> extern: shutdown with "sudo shutdown -F -r"
[04:50] <slyfox> stdin: it says both - ati and nvidia
[04:50] <slyfox> I just installed Kubuntu and I have ajva and flash installed, however this site http://www.newshutch.com/ refuses to work in firefox, it laods fine but when I click on somehting, nothing clicks, it works fine in Konqueror. Please help
[04:50] <extern> ok, I'll give ti at try
[04:51] <LeeJunFan> LjL: heh, yeah, that's lame (lag == shower).
[04:51] <stdin> slyfox: just tried the site, seems to work here
[04:51] <slyfox> stdin: crap, whenever I click on something, this http://www.newshutch.com/ loads to this http://www.newshutch.com/#
[04:51] <slyfox> tat is it
[04:52] <slyfox> stdin: how do I check which flash version I have and which java ?
[04:53] <Jucato> about:plugins
[04:53] <stdin> slyfox: in firefox you can use the url about:plugins
[04:53] <extern> stdin, it didn't work
[04:53] <Jucato> actually, you can do that in Konqueror too :)
[04:53] <Jucato> extern: what didn't work?
[04:53] <extern> sudo shutdown -F -r
[04:54] <extern> it didn't check the file system
[04:54] <Jucato> hm..
[04:54] <waylandbill> is there a reason to? do you have an error?
[04:54] <extern> I think so
[04:54] <magnus_> what wireless program should i use to connect whit, when i need to connnect true wpa cryptering
[04:54] <waylandbill> it'll tell you even if it's mounted if you run it now.
[04:55] <Jucato> extern: did you have bootsplash disabled so you could see if it was checking or not?
[04:55] <extern> when it is checking, then it shows the progress of it, I think
[04:55] <extern> and the booting time was exactly the same as always
[04:56] <extern> how can I check it manually?
[04:56] <tomvs> hi there
[04:57] <extern> I'm afraid of that scary warning when running fsck:WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage
[04:57] <waylandbill> use -n then
[04:58] <extern> it does report some errors
[04:58] <stdin> extern: you can run it from the live cd
[04:58] <extern> I don't have a live cd :P
[04:58] <stdin> don't you have the install CD ?
[04:58] <extern> not any mroe :)
[04:59] <extern> ********** WARNING: Filesystem still has errors **********
[05:00] <hive> Hi all.  I am looking in my TCPDUMP because my wireless card seems to be flashing alot, and I am seeing alot of messages like:  10:52:29.088666 IP by1msg5176513.phx.gbl.msnp > 192.168.0.2.49165: P 3303:3311(8) ack 265 win 64164 <nop,nop,timestamp 46008748 25863001> .. Can anyone tell me what this is please
[05:00] <slyfox> What is the correct way to isntall latest java? Adept ?
[05:01] <matt0507> adept make it much quicker, dont forget to instal firefox plugin as well
[05:01] <slyfox> Is this correct? "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin" ?
[05:01] <slyfox> Or should I use Adept ?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> sly either way... as long as you have a repository that can find them
[05:02] <stdin> slyfox: sometimes adept can't accept the licence, best to do it in konsole
[05:02] <slyfox> thsi one "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin" ?
[05:02] <extern> when would it be safe to run fsck?
[05:02] <extern> when almost no programs are running?
[05:03] <stdin> extern: the filesystem shouldn't be mounted at all, at at least mounted as read only
[05:03] <waylandbill> no. not if mounted.
[05:03] <stdin> slyfox: yeah
[05:03] <extern> should I run ubuntu in recovery mode and unmount all file systems?
[05:04] <stdin> extern: you could try adding a empty file called "forcefsck" in the root
[05:04] <extern> ok
[05:08] <extern> creating forcefsck in root worked
[05:08] <extern> thanks
[05:08] <stdin> np :)
[05:17] <maki2> hola
[05:18] <Dr_willis> egads.. every so often i have to go back to using windows to fix stuff for other people.. and EGADS! what was MS thinking...
[05:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:18] <ejer> can someone tell me how to force all links to open in firefox, not konqueror? I have set defaul app, did nada
[05:18] <Dr_willis> 'there are unused icons on your desktop'  -  HOW the &@&@& does it know they are unused! and thers only 3 icons!  heh heh
[05:18] <ForgeAus> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:19] <ejer> as far as I'm concerned, this is a bug
[05:19] <Jucato> ejer: sudo dpkg-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[05:19] <ejer> Jucato: thank you, will try
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ejer,  as far as im concerned its due to different 'ways' of defining whats the default browser in kde and gnome and other apps.  But i think Jucato  has the idea. :)
[05:20] <nihil_sum> Is there a way to change the current user of a currently running process?  Like to give my text editor a sudo so I have write access to save.
[05:20] <stdin> ejer: it's update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[05:20] <Jucato> ejer: sorry
[05:20] <Dr_willis> I really need to read up on the update-alternatives stuff someday
[05:20] <stdin> Jucato: not dpkg :P
[05:20] <Jucato> stdin: sorry..
[05:20] <ejer> ok
[05:20] <Jucato> ejer: use stdin's command
[05:20] <LjL> nihil_sum: dunno. i normally change the file's permissions temporarily, when i do that...
[05:20] <ejer> why doesn't KDE control center do this??
[05:20] <ejer> man what a pain
[05:21] <Dr_willis> kde cant controll what gnome stuff does and other apps.. the update-alternatives works at a lower level.
[05:21] <Jucato> ejer: because
[05:21] <Dr_willis> from what i gaterh.
[05:21] <Jucato> ejer: what Dr_willis said
[05:21] <Dr_willis> gather.
[05:21] <ejer> still doesn't make sense
[05:21] <nihil_sum> Can't it just put a shell over update-alternatives?
[05:21] <ejer> KDE control center should just call that command
[05:21] <Dr_willis> the 'proper' way for a program to launch a browser is to run that x-www-browser binary, NOT a specific browser name.
[05:21] <ejer> simple and done
[05:21] <Jucato> ejer: KDE COntrol Center, logically, only controls KDE apps. so when you set Firefox to be your default browser, all KDE apps will obey that
[05:21] <ejer> yes but when you run KDE control center, you are in KDE
[05:22] <ejer> Jucato: this is not true
[05:22] <ejer> try it
[05:22] <stdin> ejer: some people have gnome too
[05:22] <Jucato> ejer: excuse me?
[05:22] <ejer> every link opens in konq
[05:22] <Jucato> ejer: every link from what app?
[05:22] <ejer> "when you set Firefox to be your default browser, all KDE apps will obey that"
[05:22] <ejer> that does not work
[05:22] <ejer> use update-alternatives to set browser to konq
[05:22] <Jucato> from what app are you clicking the link?
[05:22] <ejer> then go change it in KDE control center
[05:22] <ejer> any app!!!
[05:22] <ejer> Gaim, thunderbord
[05:23] <ejer> bird
[05:23] <ejer> anything
[05:23] <Jucato> ejer: GAIM and Thunderbird are NOT KDE apps
[05:23] <stdin> both are GTK apps (Non KDE)
[05:23] <Jucato> did you try Kopete? Konversation?
[05:23] <ejer> hehe
[05:23] <ejer> this is not intuitive
[05:23] <ejer> I don't use any kde apps
[05:23] <Jucato> ??
[05:23] <nihil_sum> So... no way to give rights to an already running process?
[05:23] <Jucato> then why on earth...
[05:23] <Jucato> nvm
[05:23] <Skrot-> Then why do you use kubuntu? :P
[05:24] <ejer> and I have been using linux for a long time...
[05:24] <ejer> because I like KDE
[05:24] <ejer> I don't consider either thunder or firefox a gnome app
[05:24] <stdin> nihil_sum: not that I know of, you could save the file somewhere you have wright permission and then copy with sudo
[05:24] <LjL> nihil_sum, can't you just do what i said? i know it's not the best idea, but it works if you can't find an alternative way
[05:24] <Jucato> no one said they were GNOME apps
[05:24] <ejer> they are GTK based, that is it
[05:24] <Skrot-> They're using GTK, but they're not gnome-apps
[05:24] <ejer> so then KDE control center should be able to change their defaults
[05:24] <nihil_sum> Yeah.  You gave me a working solution.  I just wish I could do it the other way.
[05:24] <ejer> I can understand it would not change rhythmbox
[05:24] <Jucato> ejer: the are NOT KDE apps
[05:24] <Dr_willis> microsoft updates
[05:25] <ejer> Jucato: so what?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> doh wrong keyboard.. :)
[05:25] <nihil_sum> I'm trying to learn all the Linux functionality, since I recently switched from Windows and plan to stay on Linux from here on.
[05:25] <Jucato> NOT KDE Apps = GTK or GNOME apps
[05:25] <ejer> and therefore KDE cannot control the settings for them???
[05:25] <stdin> kde control controls kde apps, the clue is in the name
[05:25] <Dr_willis> nihil_sum,  good for you. :)
[05:25] <ejer> anyways
[05:25] <Jucato> ejer: yes
[05:25] <ejer> I hope the newbies can figure it out
[05:26] <Jucato> ejer: if you have used Linux as long as you said you have, you would have known that little piece of fact by now
[05:26] <Jucato> granted, it's not the best way to do it (update-alternatives) but that goes beyond KDE's responsibility already
[05:26] <Dr_willis> i have the exact same problem under windows not using the proper browser ejer  so its a rather interesting 'problem'
[05:26] <ejer> Jucato: really? OK! Guess I am dumb
[05:27] <Jucato> Dr_willis: no. Windows is just crazy, by nature
[05:27] <Jucato> ejer: no offense meant. sorry
[05:27] <ejer> Jucato: I guess we will require all users to come ask in IRC for how to change their default browser, and then tell them they have to use the tewrminal... not good
[05:27] <ejer> I am trying to advocate users move to ubuntu
[05:27] <Dr_willis> to update the default browser for KDE and KDE apps they use the kde settings thing.
[05:27] <Jucato> ejer: there are threads in the forums, Google, etc. but like I said, it's not ideal
[05:28] <Jucato> ejer: but the fact remains, it's hardly KDE's fault
[05:28] <Dr_willis> gnome has the same issue. i recall. but it defaults to firefox anyway/
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Try setting gnome to use opera by default.
[05:28] <ejer> yep
[05:28] <ejer> so I will be writing some post install scripts I guess, just too bad the 'user-friendly' distro is so hard to configure a simple thing
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Now that Freedesktop.org site is working on smoothing out all these little issues..  look at the problems we had 2-5 years ago with kde/gnome
[05:28] <sahin_w> I think you can change the default browser from kcontrol.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> sahin_w,  you can for kde apps.
[05:29] <sahin_w> I see
[05:29] <Dr_willis> but thats not the same as the 'update-alternatives' method.
[05:29] <sahin_w> Sorry I miss the point.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> what if one is not even using KDE or GNome. what default browser should my windowmakers 'browser' icon launch. :)
[05:29] <Jucato> sahin_w: which point did you miss?
[05:29] <ejer> I guess we just need a GUI to update-alternatives
[05:29] <sahin_w> I always use the update-alternatives method because I use debian based distro from ages... ;-)
[05:30] <Jucato> ejer: now *that* is absolutely true
[05:30] <kosta> !de
[05:30] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:30] <Skrot-> We also need Freedesktop.org to make a standard for such
[05:30] <soulrider> !cedega
[05:30] <Jucato> I think that's part of the standard
[05:30] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[05:30] <sahin_w> There is a galternatives utilty.
[05:30] <sahin_w> I never ever tried.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> ive rarely had to mess with update-alternatives.. i can think of one other instance where i needed it.. that was for the java stuff. Perhps once to set up the vim editor..
[05:31] <Skrot-> Is there another way to communicate with update-alternatives than stdin/stdout? If there was a easier way I could make a qtpython script for it
[05:31] <sahin_w> I think galternatives gives you a gui for update-alternatves.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> !info galternatives
[05:31] <ubotu> galternatives: graphical setup tool for the alternatives system. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.13.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 28 kB, installed size 276 kB
[05:31] <Dr_willis> there ya go. :)
[05:31] <Jucato> there are only 2 things for which  you will absolutely need update-alternatives for: java and browser
[05:32] <stdin> galternatives seems to be a GTK app :P
[05:32] <Jucato> it definitely is
[05:32] <sahin_w> Life is hard. ;-)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> computers are hard...  i want my money back...
[05:32] <sahin_w> :-D
[05:32] <Dr_willis> they should bend over backwards for me.. AND then do a backflip!
[05:33] <Dr_willis> we got too many Mice buttons also! its soo confusing.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> on the 8th reboot now updating things..
[05:33] <Jucato> damn! we got too many keys on the keyboard! too confusing
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  like having to explain to people where the ` key is.. and why its NOT the same as the ' key
[05:34] <Jucato> yes
[05:34] <Jucato> or where the fscking | key is
[05:34] <Dr_willis> 'its the one CLEAN key on your keyboard.. because you never use it!'
[05:34] <genii> Yeah the single quote key as opposed to the backtick key ...very confoozing
[05:35] <Dr_willis> how about dos and its use of / and \
[05:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:35] <LjL> Dr_willis: just use $() instead of the nasty backticks and you don't have that problem
[05:35] <hive> Hi all.  I am looking in my TCPDUMP because my wireless card seems to be flashing alot, and I am seeing alot of messages like:  10:52:29.088666 IP by1msg5176513.phx.gbl.msnp > 192.168.0.2.49165: P 3303:3311(8) ack 265 win 64164 <nop,nop,timestamp 46008748 25863001> .. Can anyone tell me what this is please
[05:35] <hatta> $() rules
[05:35] <Dr_willis> then ya got  the --whatever vs -whatever vs -w  vs w options/flags. :)
[05:35] <Dr_willis> LjL,  yep - good practice
[05:36] <LjL> Dr_willis: those are unavoidable since no developer agrees with no given other on that
[05:36] <Dr_willis> LjL,  yea . i LOVE it when --help prints out " use -help for help "
[05:36] <stdin> be nice if --help was universal tho
[05:36] <Dr_willis> The old AMIGA had a neat idea on how command 'templates' worked.. once ya figured out the syntax.
[05:36] <LjL> Dr_willis: what about X --version not working anymore, and being X -version now
[05:37] <Dr_willis> i cant recall X --version Ever working
[05:37] <LjL> hm whatever, anyway it should be --version
[05:37] <LjL> Dr_willis: it would have been nice if "??" was consistently supported too
[05:37] <LjL> Dr_willis: and i want to know where the "e" went in "creatE"
[05:38] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever used that command
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !man creat
[05:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about man creat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Jucato> Dr_willis: don't you want to know where the "e" went in "resolv.conf"?
[05:38] <jhutchins> I belive the convention we're currently working toward is that word variables like "help" and "version" take double dashes, while single character variables like h and v take a single dash.
[05:39] <Jucato> jhutchins: normally yes. there are a few stubborn apps though
[05:39] <Dr_willis> im waiting for all kde apps to start with kde-whatever  to be logical with the gnome-whatever apps. :)
[05:39] <LjL> jhutchins: define "we"
[05:39] <Skrot-> Then patch it before packaging it for kubuntu! ;)
[05:39] <Dr_willis> I though the -- vs - was a posix thang.
[05:39] <jhutchins> There's always one or two holdouts, like ImageMagick doesn't get packaged with all lower case names.
[05:39] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it is, afaik
[05:39] <LjL> Dr_willis: it's not a command, it's a C function
[05:39] <Skrot-> KDE is moving away from the k* naming convention \o/
[05:39] <Jucato> cmake -DCMAKE_FOO_FOO
[05:40] <Dr_willis> but ive never been that big a geek... to understand the posix stuff.
[05:40] <Jucato> Skrot-: not for all
[05:40] <Skrot-> No, but alot of apps :)
[05:40] <Skrot-> k* is usefull for branding though
[05:40] <jhutchins> Skrot-: I like being able to easily tell what's part of kde and what's an external program.
[05:40] <stdin> well, it it the K desktop environment :)
[05:40] <Dr_willis> actually i though the - for single artuments/flags like in tar -xf   (vs tar xf) was getting cleaned up also
[05:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:41] <LjL> Dr_willis: backwards compatibility is always an issue remember
[05:41] <Skrot-> jhutchins: It's usually not that big a problem to find out even if they dont start with k
[05:41] <Jucato> Skrot-: not a lot... you still have KDE, Konqueror, KOffice (a lot there), Kate, KFind, etc
[05:41] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I don't think there's been a lot of progress on that.
[05:41] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I think people were moving away from the - and there was a lot of resistance.
[05:41] <LjL> Dr_willis: and especially for archivers, there's a long tradition of no-hyphen options
[05:41] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  yea , tar is like the only app i rember the change,, and perhaps in ps aux vs ps -aux
[05:41] <genii> hive udp port 165 on your local box is being remapped to ports 3303 and 3311. Likely some IM program is using it
[05:41] <jhutchins> Those are the only ones I can think of.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> we need a standard on standards! :)
[05:42] <Skrot-> Jucato: Some of the core functionality for KDE 4 (phonon, decibel, plasma, solid, strigi, etc) have nice names though. As well as some apps like amarok, okular, etc
[05:42] <Jucato> we need a standard on standardizing
[05:42] <LjL> nice names, yes, that's important
[05:42] <jhutchins> It's like nslookup complaining that it's deprecated.
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[05:42] <Skrot-> LjL: Not enforcing k* is nice ;)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> strigi - yea - real clear what that does.. :)
[05:42] <Jucato> Skrot-: may I remind you that it was amaroK and oKular and digiKam before :)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> heh...
[05:42] <Jucato> Skrot-: no one "enforced" the K naming
[05:42] <Skrot-> Jucato: Yes, before. :)
[05:42] <jhutchins> The nice thing about standards is there are so many to choose from.
[05:43] <sahin_w> I don't care the names, but apps.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> letters.
[05:43] <Skrot-> Jucato: I know, but my vocabulary is too small to express what I mean :p
[05:43] <jhutchins> The K ran into the all lower case package names rule.
[05:43] <sahin_w> If an apps great I don't care what the name is...
[05:43] <Dr_willis> often seen asked . "I installed BitchX, but bitchx says command not found'
[05:43] <Dr_willis> the good old days
[05:43] <LjL> Dr_willis: tell them "dpkg -L bitchx | grep bin"
[05:43] <T489416> old day is gone
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i tell them install irssi
[05:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:44] <LjL> Dr_willis: good idea, at least that way i don't get a highlight from their quit message
[05:44] <T489416> i new looking at kubuntu from windows, in VirtualBox :p
[05:44] <T489416> *now
[05:45] <Skrot-> cool, i'm looking at windows from kubuntu :P
[05:45] <stdin> I'm looking at Kubuntu in Kubuntu in VirtualBox :P
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Jei got 2 pcs right here.. and i keep typing the irc stuff on the windows box.. by mistake.. :)
[05:45] <Dr_willis> and visa versa.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> gee.. let a windows XP box sit in the closet for 6 months then fire it up.. and watch all the reboots it has to do for updates...
[05:46] <andyt> where would i find the file that stores the username/password for my mysql database ?
[05:47] <T489416> i go reboot, bye :p
[05:47] <w007de99> hi at all....
[06:04] <akrus> hm
[06:05] <akrus> does someone know what's the problem with printer?
[06:05] <akrus> in System Settings -> Printers I click on 'Add Printer' and it just hangs
[06:05] <akrus> localhost:631 unaccessible
[06:06] <Dr_willis> sounds like cups may not be running
[06:06] <Dr_willis> try http://localhost:631 in a browser?
[06:06] <akrus> nothing
[06:06] <akrus> no reply
[06:06] <akrus> CUPS is started
[06:06] <akrus> x_X
[06:06] <akrus> 4354 ?        Rs     2:49 /usr/sbin/cupsd
[06:06] <dysmann> Hello, I have a problem with knetworkmanager : he can't conect to a wireless network... Could you help me ?
[06:07] <Dr_willis> odd. perhaps some firewall rules? try restarting cups?
[06:07] <akrus> dysmann: error?
[06:07] <akrus> Dr_willis: nothing
[06:07] <akrus> Dr_willis: I tried, restarts fine :)
[06:07] <akrus> iptables not installed
[06:07] <akrus> and no firewall at all~
[06:07] <Dr_willis> enable verbose logging in the cups configs by hand.. and restart it. check the logs.. i guess would be the next step
[06:07] <stdin> iptables not installed ?
[06:07] <akrus> no
[06:08] <stdin> it's part of the kernel
[06:08] <akrus> Dr_willis: hm, sorry, how to?
[06:08] <akrus> stdin: not enabled then :P
[06:08] <stdin> ah, ok :)
[06:08] <akrus> localhost - - [26/Jan/2007:20:04:40 +0300]  "POST /classes/ HTTP/1.1" 200 221 CUPS-Get-Classes client-error-not-found
[06:08] <Dr_willis> sudo vi /etc/cups/cupsd.conf (or whatever editor ya like)
[06:08] <akrus> o_O
[06:08] <akrus> opened
[06:09] <akrus> LogLevel info
[06:09] <dysmann> akrus > it stop a stop at configuring the peripheral
[06:09] <dysmann> ops, akrus > it stop at configuring the peripheral
[06:09] <akrus> is it question?
[06:09] <akrus> it hangs right after clicking 'Add Printer'
[06:10] <akrus> xojpanel -> displays the panel info ok
[06:10] <akrus> huh now hanged after i clicked on 'Printers'
[06:10] <anything> where can i find what is binded to my alt-left mouse click in kubuntu???
[06:11] <anything> i need to disable it
[06:11] <akrus> crashed lol
[06:11] <Dr_willis> alt-left is normally used to move windows i thought
[06:11] <morena> someone knows how i can connect to a spanish chanel ,pleas???
[06:11] <Jucato> !es | morena
[06:11] <ubotu> morena: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:11] <dysmann> and me in frensh ?
[06:11] <stdin> !fr
[06:11] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> !fr
[06:12] <Dr_willis> !redneck
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about redneck - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <morena> thanks!
[06:12] <dysmann> ubotu > You spink any languages !?
[06:12] <Jucato> dysmann: it's a bot
[06:12] <stdin> !bot
[06:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:12] <scifi> !mysql
[06:12] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:12] <lebifteksauvage> Hello ;)
[06:13] <akrus> hm so any ideas? :)
[06:13] <dysmann> Jucato ok
[06:13] <rgil> alguien sabe  otros canales en espanol
[06:13] <anything> where can i find what is binded to my alt-left mouse click in kubuntu???
[06:13] <Jucato> anything: System Settings -> Desktop -> Window Behavior -> WIndow Actions tab
[06:13] <Jucato> !es | rgil
[06:13] <ubotu> rgil: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[06:13] <rgil> otros diferentes .....
[06:14] <akrus> hm I'll try reinstalling cups with config files after download completes xD
[06:16] <alessandro> any italian for help me?
[06:16] <guglielf> rgil: puedes preguntar en #ubuntu-es
[06:16] <guglielf> alessandro: #ubuntu-it
[06:17] <enterprise> thx
[06:17] <Arne00> hi does anybody know what driver to install for a wierless Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX card?
[06:17] <Alumin> speaking of cups, this is more of a cups question than a kubuntu question I guess, but...how do you access the admin pages?
[06:17] <akrus> no idea
[06:17] <stdin> !wifi
[06:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:17] <akrus> I can't access anything
[06:18] <Alumin> it keeps prompting me for a password and it won't accept anything I give it...root's account, my user account, the user I created with lppasswd
[06:18] <akrus> Print works only in few non-KDE apps
[06:18] <akrus> i logged in using my login afaik
[06:18] <akrus> !kaudiocreator
[06:18] <ubotu> kaudiocreator: CD ripper and audio encoder frontend for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 902 kB, installed size 1484 kB
[06:18] <dysmann> there is nobody on french channel
[06:18] <akrus> heh
[06:18] <akrus> lol
[06:19] <fdoving> !cupsweb | alumin
[06:19] <ubotu> alumin: To enable the administration functions of the cups web interface - "sudo adduser cupsys shadow" then "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart". Also, see !cups
[06:19] <akrus> heh
[06:20] <tiina> i have situation here. I installed ubuntu edgy server x86-64, added in text mode new kde 3.5.6 repositories... added riddell key...  and now when I hit apt-get install kde-core i get error about broken packages... something about that kdebase ain't installed even though kde-core needs it
[06:20] <Oly> how can i find the ip of the router my system is on  kubuntu?
[06:20] <stdin> Oly: type /whois Oly
[06:20] <akrus> LOL
[06:21] <Oly> no. i'm not on the system
[06:21] <akrus> www.whatismyip.com
[06:21] <Oly> * plays around with router but dont know the ip to the other one. how can i find it if its attached..
[06:21] <akrus> from this PC :)
[06:21] <Oly> rawr. of the router*
[06:22] <enterprise> someone can help me with gcc_
[06:22] <enterprise> ?
[06:22] <stdin> depends on what help you need
[06:22] <enterprise> i need to compile a c program
[06:23] <stdin> yes?
[06:23] <enterprise> but gcc don't read the math.h library
[06:23] <devilsadvocate> enterprise, get build-essential
[06:23] <enterprise> ??
[06:23] <stdin> maybe have a read of...
[06:23] <devilsadvocate> hm
[06:23] <stdin> !compile
[06:23] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:24] <enterprise> thx a lot
[06:24] <enterprise> trying......
[06:26] <enterprise> alessandro@lcars-p:~/laboratorio$ gcc -o  gaussgen1 gaussgen1.c
[06:26] <enterprise> gaussgen1.c:37:3: warning: no newline at end of file
[06:26] <enterprise> /tmp/ccnYV1kw.o: In function `main':
[06:26] <enterprise> gaussgen1.c:(.text+0xe3): undefined reference to `sqrt'
[06:26] <enterprise> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[06:26] <enterprise> not working
[06:26] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:26] <gabrieldain> Hey. Anybody know if the memtest from the 64-bit liveCDs work in 32-bit computers?
[06:27] <LjL> enterprise: include math.h and use ##c
[06:27] <enterprise> include command is in gaussgen1.c
[06:27] <enterprise> the program work in windows
[06:27] <enterprise> but in linux
[06:27] <enterprise> not
[06:28] <LjL> enterprise: ah yes
[06:28] <LjL> enterprise: gcc -lm -o gassgen1 gaussgen1.c
[06:28] <LjL> -lm includes the maths library
[06:28] <enterprise> ok
[06:28] <enterprise> trying
[06:29] <stdin> gabrieldain: never tried, but I think probably not
[06:29] <gabrieldain> stdin, thanks
[06:30] <stdin> np
[06:30] <gabrieldain> stdin, I suppose I'll use the gentoo CD
[06:30] <enterprise> works!
[06:30] <enterprise> thx a lot
[06:30] <enterprise> one other question
[06:30] <enterprise> i see the manual of gcc
[06:31] <enterprise> is huge
[06:31] <enterprise> and
[06:31] <enterprise> there is one command that use all the libraryes?
[06:34] <slyfox> For Amarok - for my 10,000 music files, what would you recommend I start using? SQlite or MySQL ? I am just starting
[06:35] <enterprise> nothing?
[06:35] <stdin> SQlight should be ok, it depends if you want to take the time to setup MySQL
[06:35] <enterprise> ok thx a lot you saved me
[06:35] <enterprise> bye!
[06:38] <guglielf> is there any mean to get mobo info (brand, etc) using some command?
[06:38] <Xemanth> i get huge package errors while trying to install KDE 3.5.6 to my fresh installed Ubuntu Edgy x86-64
[06:38] <stdin> guglielf: install lshw
[06:39] <guglielf> stdin: :) thx
[06:39] <stdin> np
[06:39] <sebbar> Xemanth: nope, just regular 386.
[06:39] <Xemanth> sebbar: i know, 386 went flawlessly to to my comp too
[06:40] <stdin> you should ask Riddell about it, since he packages 3
[06:40] <Xemanth> i'm installing now 3.5.55 to my x86-64 laptop :/
[06:40] <stdin> *.5.6
[06:40] <Xemanth> -5
[06:40] <sebbar> ok then I probably can't help you sorry
[06:40] <stdin> but I think he want to the sauna :P
[06:41] <Xemanth> stdin: where's Riddell from ?
[06:41] <stdin> afaik he's in the UK
[06:42] <Xemanth> i see
[06:43] <stdin> yep, he's in Edinburgh, Scotland
[06:43] <stdin> ...apparently
[06:45] <guglielf> Xemanth: http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonathanRiddell/
[06:46] <sebbar> hi, where can I check if a motherboard is linux compatible?
[06:47] <stdin> I'll save you some time, it is
[06:47] <Skrot-> The motherboard it self probably is. But what about integrated ethernet and audio?
[06:48] <sebbar> that's my concern as well
[06:48] <sebbar> it also has integrated video
[06:48] <stdin> most intergrated chips work well, especially if they are intel
[06:48] <Skrot-> Intel Video?
[06:48] <Skrot-> intel is <3
[06:48] <Skrot-> =)=
[06:48] <Skrot-> wow..
[06:48] <sebbar> http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=K8NF6G-VSTA&s=
[06:48] <stdin> I got the wobbly windows on an intel :)
[06:49] <sebbar> this is the product
[06:49] <Skrot-> stdin: 950GMA?
[06:49] <stdin> Skrot-: nope, an old 845G
[06:49] <Skrot-> sebbar: nvidia has very good binary drivers
[06:49] <Skrot-> So the video wil probably work
[06:50] <sebbar> ok... so the remaining question is about the audio :) although I never really had any issues with audio cards on linux
[06:50] <Skrot-> There seems to be drivers for the audio chip
[06:51] <sebbar> Skrot: can you give me a link
[06:51] <Skrot-> It's a realtek chip
[06:52] <Skrot-> You might want to ask about it in #alsa, sebbar
[06:52] <Skrot-> The audio chip (ALC861VD)
[06:53] <sebbar> ok
[06:54] <sebbar> one last question...flash isn't available for 64 bits platforms yet right? any other drawbacks on installing the 64bit version of kubuntu?
[06:55] <Skrot-> No idea about that :)
[06:55] <stdin> you won't be able to play other media formats, like wmv and some others in w32codecs
[06:56] <sebbar> stdin: and no flash right?
[06:56] <stdin> sebbar: no flash from adobe anyway
[06:56] <stdin> !gnash
[06:56] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:57] <stdin> gnash can play some flash on 64bit
[06:57] <sebbar> stdin: what percent of movies would you say it plays correctly?
[06:58] <stdin> I've no idea, I've never used it.
[06:58] <sebbar> ok tnx
[06:58] <stdin> but it's still beta or alpha afaik
[06:58] <Skrot-> If you want a stable fast computer that plays well with linux, choose intel :P
[06:59] <stdin> well, intel is the most supported, because it's the most common
[06:59] <stdin> gnash is still alpha, just checked
[06:59] <Skrot-> They also opensource some of their drivers, no?
[07:00] <Skrot-> wireless and video atleast
[07:00] <stdin> yep
[07:00] <cryptom> hi all, I'm confused about locales
[07:01] <stdin> in what way ?
[07:01] <cryptom> how do I correctly setup my edgy laptop to display english menus, but use swiss german keyboard layout and ISO-8859-1?
[07:02] <cryptom> something like: LANG=en_CH.ISO-8859-1 ??
[07:02] <cryptom> where do I have to edit files /etc/environment? /etc/default/locale? /etc/default/console-setup?
[07:02] <dope> i'm having trouble mounting a nfs
[07:02] <cryptom> or which programs to run?
[07:03] <stdin> you can change the keyboard layout in System Settings -> Regional & Language ->  Keyboard Latout
[07:03] <cryptom> stdin, not for kde, just for the console
[07:04] <cryptom> e.g. with edgy server
[07:04] <stdin> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup should let you do that
[07:05] <cryptom> ok, thanks, I will try, does this setup all those mentioned files correctly? because I have en_US.UTF-8 everywhere
[07:08] <stdin> not sure
[07:10] <stdin> cryptom: you can install localeconf to configure that I think
[07:11] <cryptom> stdin, I'm just rebooting after dpkg-reconfig, lets see!
[07:13] <jimmy> hello everibody
[07:13] <jimmy> can somebody help me install wine emulator for UBUNTU ??
[07:14] <stdin> Wine Is Not an Emulator
[07:15] <ForgeAus> !wine
[07:15] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[07:15] <cryptom> stdin, the first approach (dpkg-reconfigure did not change the files /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment
[07:15] <akrus> how to replace all the config files with deb package?
[07:16] <cryptom> stdin, so LANG is still set to en_US.UTF-8
[07:16] <cryptom> stdin, trying localeconf
[07:16] <akrus> so I wish it installed defaults instead of mine
[07:21] <akrus> what package provides cups.conf?
[07:21] <fdoving> does it exist?
[07:21] <stdin> cups probably
[07:21] <fdoving> do you mean cupsd.conf ?
[07:21] <fdoving> in that case it would be the 'cupsys' package.
[07:22] <cryptom> stdin, after installing localeconf and dpkg-reconfigure localeconf, I could not choose en_CH.ISO-8859-1, so I chose en_US.ISO-8859-1, rebooted, no change, environment var LANG is still at en_US.UTF-8
[07:23] <PhinnFort> is it possible to disable the immensely stupid suggestions that comes with Kubuntu's patches, in konquerors google search box?
[07:23] <gouchi> is there a channel for kubuntu feisty fawn ? didn't find on the wiki
[07:24] <akrus> T_T
[07:24] <akrus> kdeprint not working anyway
[07:24] <stdin> gouchi: not specifically #ubuntu+1 is for feisty, or try #kubuntu-devel
[07:25] <gouchi> stdin : thanks ;-)
[07:25] <cryptom> stdin, ah, debconf created a special area in /etc/environment _below_ the existing (from the installation) entry LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[07:26] <cryptom> stdin, but /etc/default/locale is still not changed, which seems to be the place where the env var LANG is really set from
[07:26] <equinoxeB> Hy there...
[07:26] <akrus> stdin: could I ask one thing?
[07:27] <equinoxeB> well... I can't get opengl from my ATI Radeon 9600XT card...
[07:27] <equinoxeB> help :|
[07:27] <akrus> equinoxeB: opensource/fglrx?
[07:27] <equinoxeB> fglrx
[07:27] <stdin> cryptom: I'm looking around now
[07:27] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: why?
[07:27] <equinoxeB> ati prop
[07:27] <stdin> akrus: ask away
[07:27] <cryptom> stdin, thanks
[07:27] <akrus> glxinfo|grep render?
[07:27] <equinoxeB> MESA
[07:27] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: afaik, the open source ones are better on 9600
[07:27] <equinoxeB> :(
[07:27] <akrus> stdin: cupsdoprint -P 'tmpprinter_wFBASmje' -J 'KDE Print Test' -H '/var/run/cups/cups.sock:631' -U 'akrus' -o ' multiple-document-handling=separate-documents-uncollated-copies orientation-requested=3'  <-- what's wrong here? :)
[07:27] <akrus> PhinnFort: it sucks :x
[07:27] <PhinnFort> akrus: what sucks?
[07:28] <akrus> PhinnFort: opensource driver
[07:28] <PhinnFort> i know that ati's propretary drivers sucks
[07:28] <akrus> in apps it lags
[07:28] <equinoxeB> well... I had ATI prop on DApper... and they were just fine
[07:28] <akrus> I used it for a while
[07:28] <PhinnFort> akrus: that's silly
[07:28] <equinoxeB> hmm :)
[07:28] <PhinnFort> i use it here
[07:28] <PhinnFort> got fed up with the broken fglrx stuff
[07:28] <akrus> e.g. Ragnarok Online under Wine -> fglrx better
[07:28] <PhinnFort> choked full of bugs
[07:28] <PhinnFort> akrus: switching to virtual console from X -> crash under fglrx
[07:28] <akrus> lol
[07:28] <stdin> akrus: umm, woah, I have no clue
[07:28] <PhinnFort> composite =! fglrx
[07:28] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:29] <PhinnFort> aiglx != fglrx
[07:29] <akrus> stdin: so KDEPrint is not working at all
[07:29] <equinoxeB> well... composite "false"
[07:29] <cryptom> stdin, on the net I found a hint to use: dpkg-reconfigure locales , but this only shows me that it is generating locales for en_US.UTF-8, no options
[07:30] <equinoxeB> it's insane, because the main driver is installed ok
[07:30] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: more /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE
[07:31] <PhinnFort> also dmesg | grep flgrx
[07:31] <PhinnFort> *fglrx
[07:31] <UgoBoss> good evening :)
[07:31] <PhinnFort> UgoBoss: good evening to you too
[07:31] <UgoBoss> i'm looking for help
[07:31] <PhinnFort> UgoBoss: then you're in the right place
[07:32] <SkirK_NoteBooK> ^^
[07:32] <UgoBoss> i've got kubuntu 6.10
[07:32] <equinoxeB> (EE) fglrx(0): DRIScreenInit failed!
[07:32] <UgoBoss> i want to boot in text-mode
[07:32] <UgoBoss> is it possible?
[07:32] <PhinnFort> UgoBoss: yes
[07:32] <equinoxeB> AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[07:32] <PhinnFort> !failsafe
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about failsafe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:33] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: more /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE -A 5 -B 5
[07:33] <stdin> cryptom: have you tried changing the files to en_US.ISO-8859-1 ?
[07:33] <PhinnFort> UgoBoss: choose "Recovery" in GRUB
[07:33] <PhinnFort> i think should do it
[07:33] <jordo23> I turned my adept notifier off and want to switch it back on.....I forgot how....where is the switch?
[07:34] <UgoBoss> so... i have to add the "failsafe" option at boot time?
[07:34] <PhinnFort> jordo23: alt+f2 type in adept_notifier
[07:34] <stdin> jordo23: just run adept_notifier
[07:34] <PhinnFort> jordo23: and then it should ask you if you want to turn it back on
[07:34] <PhinnFort> UgoBoss: it's a choice in Grub, afaik
[07:34] <jordo23> ok....thanks.....thought it was in adept manager...
[07:34] <PhinnFort> jordo23: i don't think they're very well integrated
[07:35] <UgoBoss> PhinnFort: ok, i'll try... thank you :)
[07:35] <equinoxeB> I can't paste in here :|
[07:35] <PhinnFort> rafb.net/paste
[07:35] <jordo23> PhinnFort: Is there a better way?
[07:35] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: you shold turn of aiglx
[07:35] <cryptom> well, yes and no, I changed it, but it still reminded at UTF-8, so I grepped for all LANG=UTF-8 in /etc and looking at the results I wondered whether there is an "official" way to correctly change the locales, without having to edit several files
[07:35] <PhinnFort> jordo23: you just need to run adept_notifier
[07:35] <cryptom> (for only one settings)
[07:35] <jordo23> PhinnFort: I know.....just wondering if there was a better way to keep automatically updated....cron?
[07:35] <equinoxeB> how can I do that?
[07:36] <PhinnFort> jordo23: you can play around with KCron
[07:36] <stdin> cryptom: well, any "official" way would just end up editing a file somewhere
[07:36] <cryptom> stdin, no problem with that... but many files for _one_ setting?
[07:36] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: alt+f2, enter "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:37] <equinoxeB> ok
[07:37] <PhinnFort> and add "Option "AIGLX" "false"" where appropriate
[07:38] <equinoxeB> like
[07:38] <equinoxeB> Section "Device"
[07:38] <equinoxeB> 	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0] "
[07:38] <equinoxeB> ?
[07:38] <cryptom> stdin, ok, gotta go, thanks!!
[07:38] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: probably
[07:40] <equinoxeB> I'll restart X and be back in sec
[07:40] <PhinnFort> it still won't work...
[07:42] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: can you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[07:42] <PhinnFort> *paste
[07:42] <alejandro> hola ?
[07:42] <PhinnFort> !espanol
[07:42] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:43] <alejandro> ;) thank's
[07:43] <PhinnFort> np;)
[07:43] <stdin> bonjour :)
[07:43] <PhinnFort> takk
[07:43] <PhinnFort> takkar s mycket
[07:43] <stdin> guten Tag
[07:44] <PhinnFort> lol
[07:44] <stdin> and
[07:44] <stdin> buon giorno
[07:44] <PhinnFort> kartoffelkndel
[07:44] <stdin> that's the limit of my foreign language knowledge :P
[07:44] <PhinnFort> hehe
[07:45] <stdin> well, I can say s**i in french, but that's it then
[07:45] <stdin> opps
[07:45] <stdin> that's s**t :P
[07:45] <PhinnFort> rotfl
[07:46] <PhinnFort> wtf doesn't kubuntu come with the kdegames by default?
[07:46] <PhinnFort> i've seen people switch to linux/kde for less
[07:46] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:46] <stdin> It's one of the 1st things I install
[07:47] <PhinnFort> it attracts females
[07:47] <PhinnFort> and males, though
[07:47] <equinoxeB> ok... I removed load "glx" and there's no opengl anymore . AIGLX error isn't present anymore dough...
[07:48] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: hmm, you want opengl?
[07:48] <equinoxeB> yes... :|
[07:48] <PhinnFort> then put glx back in, mkay?
[07:48] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:48] <PhinnFort> GLX is for OpenGL under X
[07:48] <equinoxeB> it's back :)
[07:48] <equinoxeB> yup... but it's MESA
[07:48] <PhinnFort> and then post Xorg.0.log on rafb.net/paste
[07:48] <equinoxeB> god
[07:48] <equinoxeB> ok
[07:49] <chovy> flash9 doesn't support x64
[07:49] <PhinnFort> nope
[07:49] <PhinnFort> i know
[07:49] <chovy> how lame is that?
[07:49] <PhinnFort> on a scale from 1-10?
[07:49] <PhinnFort> 9.9
[07:50] <stdin>  gnash works on x64 but it's alpha
[07:50] <chovy> is there a way to run flash on x64?
[07:50] <PhinnFort> gnash is not very good
[07:50] <PhinnFort> chovy: if you use Opera, you can have flash in that
[07:50] <PhinnFort> here is why they don't have 64-bit flash: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/10/whats_so_difficult_64bit_editi.html
[07:51] <stdin> or there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava for firefox
[07:51] <dhq> is there any alarm where i can program a list of mp3 files to play
[07:51] <PhinnFort> dhq: you can use a script for Amarok
[07:52] <PhinnFort> open amarok and choose "Tools" -> "Script Manager"
[07:52] <dhq> PhinnFort: from where do i get that script
[07:52] <PhinnFort> go where i told you
[07:52] <equinoxeB> http://rafb.net/p/YIagre25.html
[07:52] <PhinnFort> and then click on "Get More scripts"
[07:52] <PhinnFort> if you don't have it under "General" already
[07:52] <dhq> ok then
[07:53] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: make sure the fglrx module is loaded
[07:53] <PhinnFort> "modprobe fglrx", and then restart X
[07:54] <PhinnFort> dhq: "weekalarm" looks nice
[07:54] <stdin> sudo ^^
[07:54] <equinoxeB> sh: /sbin/lrm-video: not found
[07:54] <equinoxeB> FATAL: Error running install command for fglrx
[07:54] <chovy> is gnash just a player? i have to interact with a database driven flash web site.
[07:54] <dhq> PhinnFort: ok what other scripts are there
[07:55] <stdin> chovy: it's just a play afaik
[07:55] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: dmesg | tail
[07:55] <gnomefreak> chovy: yes gnash is player only
[07:55] <PhinnFort> dhq: just look around
[07:55] <stdin> but, like I said, you can run flash in firefox with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:56] <equinoxeB> http://rafb.net/p/LppaIk59.html
[07:56] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: did you do it as root?
[07:56] <PhinnFort> sudo modprobe flgrx
[07:56] <equinoxeB> yes
[07:56] <stdin> mmm, pizza
[07:57] <equinoxeB> sudo bash
[07:57] <equinoxeB> I have a root console now
[07:57] <stdin> or as the french would say: mmm, la pizza :P
[07:57] <LjL> what's wrong with sudo -i
[07:57] <PhinnFort> LjL: it's not new
[07:57] <PhinnFort> or just plain old su -
[07:57] <LjL> su - won't work on a normal ubuntu installation...
[07:57] <PhinnFort> LjL: why?
[07:57] <LjL> because they're no root
[07:58] <LjL> it's locked that is
[07:58] <LjL> !root
[07:58] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:58] <PhinnFort> then you do sudo passwd
[07:58] <PhinnFort> first
[07:58] <stdin> sudo su - would work, but then why not sudi -i
[07:58] <LjL> bad idea to suggest that
[07:58] <stdin> *sudo
[07:58] <equinoxeB> the modprobe error suggested an installation prob... :|
[07:58] <equinoxeB> I think .
[07:58] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: yeah
[07:58] <PhinnFort> where did you get the fglrx driver?
[07:58] <equinoxeB> ati.com
[07:58] <equinoxeB> :)
[07:59] <PhinnFort> :(
[07:59] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:59] <stdin> and the pre packages one wasn't good enough for you ?
[07:59] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: i think it would be a much better idea to use the packages in the repositories
[08:00] <equinoxeB> well... I just know that Warcraft is workin' on prop drivers...
[08:00] <juano_> !root
[08:00] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:00] <equinoxeB> I don't know anything about open-source ones
[08:00] <chovy> PhinnFort: i don't see Opera in the adept manager
[08:00] <stdin> equinoxeB: ubuntu has packaged the proprietary ones for you
[08:00] <equinoxeB> :D
[08:01] <stdin> !info xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:01] <ubotu> xorg-driver-fglrx: Video driver for ATI graphics accelerators. In component restricted, is optional. Version 7.1.0-8.28.8+2.6.17.7-10.1 (edgy), package size 9181 kB, installed size 25892 kB
[08:01] <PhinnFort> chovy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1789367
[08:01] <stdin> !opera
[08:01] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:01] <stdin> chovy: ^^
[08:01] <PhinnFort> ah, much better
[08:02] <equinoxeB> It says : installed :P
[08:02] <stdin> equinoxeB: it's not a good idea to mix them
[08:02] <PhinnFort> very bad, even
[08:02] <equinoxeB> :|
[08:03] <equinoxeB> I just followed the installing procedure for the ati.com drivers
[08:03] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: as i said, i don't really trust ATi's/AMD's devs that much:P
[08:04] <PhinnFort> indirectly, i said that
[08:04] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:04] <PhinnFort> !fglrx
[08:04] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:04] <PhinnFort> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:04] <stdin> you'll probably need to remove the ati.com ones
[08:04] <FreshPrince> hi
[08:04] <PhinnFort> yeah
[08:04] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: hello
[08:05] <FreshPrince> ehm
[08:05] <FreshPrince> can i brurn a movie to a cd that i can watch the movie on a dvd player?
[08:05] <FreshPrince> with k3b
[08:05] <FreshPrince> is that possible?
[08:05] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: yes, i think so
[08:05] <cpk1> FreshPrince: its easier to use kmediafactory for that
[08:05] <FreshPrince> hm.. but how? dont know how with k3b :)
[08:06] <FreshPrince> huch?.. well i'm not a kde user.. i only use k3b for burning
[08:06] <stdin> File -> New Project -> New Video CD Project
[08:06] <cpk1> FreshPrince: kmediafactory is easier since it will set you up with a menu and everything
[08:06] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD
[08:07] <PhinnFort> i used that when i had gentoo, and i think it should work under ubuntu too
[08:07] <PhinnFort> you might want to apt-get install ffmpeg or something, though
[08:07] <elyon225> I'm about to install Windows XP on my system.  What do I need to do to re-enable GRUB afterwards?
[08:07] <stdin> is it me, of does the gentoo wiki have *everything* on it :P
[08:07] <PhinnFort> stdin: that's one of the reasons i used gentoo for so long;)
[08:07] <FreshPrince> elyon225, just try to chroot into our system with a live-cd :)
[08:07] <FreshPrince> *your .. and re-install and set the grub menu
[08:07] <stdin> !grub | elyon225
[08:07] <ubotu> elyon225: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[08:07] <elyon225> FreshPrince: Don't know how to do that ;)
[08:08] <cpk1> he doesnt want a vcd he wants a dvd...
[08:08] <elyon225> stdin: Thank you.
[08:08] <stdin> elyon225: use the 1st link there :)
[08:08] <FreshPrince> well yes.. i wanna have a dvd..
[08:08] <FreshPrince> :(
[08:08] <PhinnFort> cpk1: you can play SVCD's on most DVD_players
[08:08] <elyon225> stdin: ubotu is so handy :)
[08:08] <FreshPrince> that i can watch the movie on a dvd player..
[08:08] <stdin> elyon225: yeah, *very* :P
[08:09] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: check if you can watch svcd's on your dvd-player
[08:09] <PhinnFort> cd-r's are way cheaper than dvd*r's;)
[08:09] <cpk1> FreshPrince: kmediafactory dvd authoring is really simple
[08:09] <hatta> per megabyte DVDrs are cheaper
[08:09] <stdin> devede is good too, for more simple dvds
[08:09] <equinoxeB> removing installed drivers...
[08:09] <PhinnFort> hatta: i'm talking disks
[08:10] <PhinnFort> 2xcd-r < 1xDVD-+R
[08:10] <PhinnFort> usually
[08:10] <stdin> I'd get a spindle of DVDs, then buy some Jewel cases, it's quite cheep
[08:11] <PhinnFort> i prefer mandvd, though
[08:11] <chovy> opera isn't supported for x64 either :(
[08:11] <PhinnFort> chovy: it is
[08:11] <cpk1> FreshPrince: you will want mencoder or something to transcode your video to ntsc standards (or pal) and whatnot
[08:11] <chovy> PhinnFort: i just got an error.
[08:11] <PhinnFort> it just needs emu-libs
[08:11] <FreshPrince> cpk1, yes
[08:12] <chovy>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[08:12] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: use the guide from the gentoo wiki i posted
[08:12] <blekos> hello, is it possible in Konctact to see my contacts  as childs of their category? [eg i have 3 contacts in category restaurant and 5 in categ. web sites i want to see as a header their category, and under the categories the contacts] 
[08:12] <PhinnFort> chovy: use --force-architecture
[08:13] <chovy> PhinnFort: emu-libs not found.
[08:13] <FreshPrince> cpk1, but for kmediafactory i need kdebase or not? or is kmediafactory just 1 package?
[08:13] <PhinnFort> chovy: ia32-libs
[08:13] <PhinnFort> emu-libs = short for emulation libs
[08:13] <jarn> Is there anyone here who doesn't have wine installed and wouldn't mind testing something for me that would involve some downloading and some compiling?
[08:13] <cpk1> FreshPrince: no idea, i dont think i even installed it
[08:13] <equinoxeB> installed Ubuntu packaged drivers
[08:14] <equinoxeB> I had 8.32
[08:14] <equinoxeB> now I have 8.28
[08:14] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, ok.. i have to encode it form .avi to mpeg.. k3b is saying that
[08:14] <equinoxeB> and there's still no opengl :((
[08:14] <chovy> PhinnFort: gotcha
[08:14] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: use ffmpeg, as in the guide
[08:15] <chovy> PhinnFort: is this going to effect 64-bit stuff?
[08:15] <PhinnFort> chovy: no
[08:15] <naser> hello
[08:15] <PhinnFort> chovy: it should install to /lib32, and therefore not interfere with the 64-bit libs
[08:15] <naser> a hive 50 deb files and want to install it in one click how ??
[08:16] <naser> i have**
[08:16] <LjL> naser: if you don't have dependency issues with them, dpkg -i *.deb
[08:16] <chovy> PhinnFort: so if a pkg supports 64, it will run as 64?
[08:16] <PhinnFort> chovy: yup, somethingl like that
[08:17] <equinoxeB> well... I'll reinstall the ati.com ones... at least the monitor isn't blurred :\
[08:17] <equinoxeB> :|
[08:17] <Xemanth> naser: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[08:17] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: could you post your log file again, first?
[08:17] <Xemanth> ups i'm slow
[08:18] <equinoxeB> ok :)
[08:18] <naser> Xemanth i dont want to install one one file
[08:18] <cpk1> FreshPrince: using ffmpeg to get a ntsc dvd mpeg use ffmpeg -i myfile.avi -target ntsc-dvd mynewfile.mpg
[08:18] <naser> i want to install all the files in one click
[08:18] <LjL> naser: that's what we said
[08:18] <LjL> do you know what * is?
[08:19] <PhinnFort> or, if you're in non-US, use pal-dvd instead
[08:19] <Xemanth> naser: ^^
[08:19] <equinoxeB> http://rafb.net/p/4VaeVT86.html
[08:20] <Xemanth> naser: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*
[08:21] <naser> Xemanth :sure you dont understand me
[08:21] <naser> i have more than one file
[08:21] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: you need to reboot after changing drivers
[08:21] <equinoxeB> :D
[08:21] <equinoxeB> ok :)
[08:21] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work
[08:21] <naser> and i cant install the 50 file in dpkg -i ..
[08:21] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: or wait
[08:22] <stdin> naser: yes you can
[08:22] <PhinnFort> just rmmod fglrx
[08:22] <PhinnFort> and then modprobe it again
[08:22] <PhinnFort> and then restart X
[08:22] <PhinnFort> and then you have it!
[08:22] <naser> yes i can but i need a lot of time
[08:22] <naser> i want to install them in one click
[08:23] <Xemanth> naser: dude do you know what * means ? it means that dpkg -i *.deb installs all deb files in that folder
[08:23] <Xemanth> with  one click
[08:23] <stdin> naser: open konsole, cd to the directory with them all, then type "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" that will install them ALL
[08:23] <PhinnFort> stdin: that's several clicks, and many types;)
[08:23] <Xemanth> PhinnFort: :D
[08:24] <stdin> PhinnFort: phooey
[08:24] <FreshPrince> cpk1, ok thx
[08:24] <PhinnFort> does adept support drag&drop?
[08:24] <naser> thank you now i undrstand
[08:24] <naser> thankssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[08:24] <naser> realy realy you help me a lot
[08:24] <naser> thanks
[08:25] <FreshPrince> cpk1, well i did this with  pal-vcd
[08:25] <FreshPrince> and not ntsc-dvd
[08:25] <stdin> naser: heh, I just found out that you can do in in Konqueror
[08:25] <FreshPrince> dont know.. which one is better? whats the difference? i have no idea :D
[08:25] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: congratulations, you've just encoded your first video for a normal VCD
[08:26] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: NTSC = american video standard, PAL=normal standard
[08:26] <FreshPrince> ah
[08:26] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: DVD = Digital Versatile Disc, VCD = Video Compact Disc
[08:26] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:26] <FreshPrince> then i think i should use pal
[08:26] <FreshPrince> ehm.. ok ok -.-
[08:26] <stdin> naser: you just select them all, right click -> Kubuntu package menu -> Install package
[08:26] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:26] <FreshPrince> then pal-vcd is right yeah?
[08:26] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: if you don't have burnable DVD, yes
[08:27] <FreshPrince> ok
[08:27] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, and when i had a DVD then?
[08:27] <PhinnFort> then make a pal-dvd
[08:27] <FreshPrince> then with which option?
[08:27] <cpk1> FreshPrince: if you want to burn to dvd just change pal-vcd to pal-dvd
[08:27] <FreshPrince> ah ok
[08:27] <PhinnFort> it's really very simple;)
[08:27] <FreshPrince> with a normal cd = pal-vcd and with a dvd = pal-dvd yeah ?
[08:28] <PhinnFort> yeah
[08:28] <FreshPrince> yeah cool thx guys :D
[08:28] <PhinnFort> np
[08:28] <elyon225> So... I put a CD into my DVD-ROM drive and it showed up on my desktop as a folder.  Now, I can't eject it with the drive's button, and "Eject" obviously isn't an option when Right-Clicking on the icon for it.
[08:28] <PhinnFort> i think maybe K3B can run ffmpeg for you automagically, it has a tool for "video encoding"
[08:29] <stdin> PhinnFort: it doesn't
[08:29] <PhinnFort> elyon225: alt+f2 and enter "eject"
[08:29] <happyday> how do i enable vnc through the commandline?
[08:29] <PhinnFort> stdin: too bad
[08:29] <elyon225> PhinnFort: Okay, that ejected my CD burner, but not DVD drive
[08:29] <PhinnFort> elyon225: try again
[08:29] <stdin> happyday: what do you mean "enable" ?
[08:30] <elyon225> PhinnFort: Nothing happened that time.
[08:30] <PhinnFort> elyon225: you have scsi?
[08:30] <happyday> when i try to connect to it it says no server running
[08:30] <elyon225> PhinnFort: Both drives are IDE
[08:30] <happyday> if i can ssh to the computer how can i enable vnc
[08:30] <PhinnFort> elyon225: eject dvd
[08:31] <elyon225> PhinnFort: That did it.  Now, why does it show up incorrectly?
[08:31] <PhinnFort> happyday: apt-get vnc or x11vnc, depending
[08:31] <stdin> happyday: you need to have it forward X to you
[08:31] <PhinnFort> elyon225: i really have no idea, the kubuntu maintainers apply a load of patches that crap some stuff up
[08:31] <stdin> happyday: is it linux to linux ?
[08:31] <PhinnFort> stdin: X?
[08:31] <happyday> yes
[08:31] <elyon225> PhinnFort: Yeah... seems it isn't being mounted with the proper parameters.
[08:31] <happyday> linux to linux
[08:32] <ste> ciao
[08:32] <PhinnFort> happyday: then you don't need vnc
[08:32] <stdin> PhinnFort: X as in the Z server
[08:32] <happyday> crap well how do i connect?
[08:32] <stdin> PhinnFort: heh, Xserver
[08:32] <cpk1> elyon225: it automounts? look at fstab to see if there is something wrong there
[08:32] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:32] <elyon225> cpk1: I assume that's what automount means... I put a CD in the drive and it shows up on my desktop? lol
[08:32] <stdin> happyday: connect like "ssh -CY user@host" , then just run vlc
[08:32] <benjamin> helo
[08:33] <benjamin> plaese
[08:33] <PhinnFort> vnc
[08:33] <naser> clear
[08:33] <cpk1> elyon225: yeah, then the dvd drive should be in /etc/fstab
[08:33] <benjamin> is where french????
[08:33] <stdin> !fr
[08:33] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:33] <PhinnFort> !french
[08:33] <elyon225> cpk1: There is no /etc/fstab
[08:33] <benjamin> thank you
[08:33] <PhinnFort> jeu sui malade a la tete
[08:33] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, cpk1 and when the movie already is a .mpg what i have to do then? ffmpeg -i movie.mpg -target pal-vcd movie.mpg
[08:33] <FreshPrince> just this?
[08:34] <cpk1> elyon225: yes there is, open a konsole and do cat /etc/fstab
[08:34] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: to be on the safe side, yes
[08:34] <benjamin> un frenchi
[08:34] <benjamin> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:34] <PhinnFort> FreshPrince: but you could just try to add them
[08:34] <elyon225> oh, gotcha... was thinking it was a directory
[08:34] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, ok :D
[08:34] <benjamin> XD
[08:34] <PhinnFort> elyon225: it is, but it is hidden to not scare new users
[08:34] <happyday> i don't think it's working
[08:34] <elyon225> cpk1: /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto
[08:34] <PhinnFort> benjamin: i'm norwegian, not french, though;)
[08:35] <happyday> keeps telling me no server is running
[08:35] <elyon225> PhinnFort: I couldn't find a directory, but I found a file :)
[08:35] <cpk1> elyon225: and hdc is /media/cdrom0?
[08:35] <elyon225> i think
[08:35] <elyon225> cpk1: Yes.
[08:35] <elyon225> My burner has always shown up as cdrom0
[08:36] <stdin> happyday: can you post the exact error ?
[08:36] <PhinnFort> elyon225: what the ubuntu people have done, is add empty files named ".hidden" to everything that you aren't supposed to look at, and then the filebrowsers hides those directories
[08:36] <happyday> for which part?
[08:36] <Xemanth> FreshPrince: are your from bel air ? :>
[08:36] <Xemanth> -r
[08:36] <cpk1> elyon225: so if you are positive hdd is the dvd drive then you will need to make a folder in /media and name it dvd (or something else if you want) and the change /media/cdrom1 to /media/dvd
[08:36] <happyday> cause i did the ssh -CY thing
[08:36] <stdin> happyday: all of it, to pastebin
[08:36] <happyday> uh
[08:36] <stdin> !pastebin
[08:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:36] <FreshPrince> Xemanth, well Will Smith yes.. but me not :P
[08:36] <FreshPrince> i'm not from USA :D
[08:36] <FreshPrince> :P
[08:36] <elyon225> cpk1: I can do that with Kate?
[08:36] <happyday> what do i type to run the vnc server?
[08:36] <PhinnFort> elyon225: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[08:37] <cpk1> elyon225: yeah do kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[08:37] <stdin> !vnc | happyday
[08:37] <ubotu> happyday: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[08:37] <PhinnFort> happyday: do you have a vnc server installed?
[08:37] <equinoxeB> i HAVE opengl !!! :p
[08:37] <happyday> yea it's installed
[08:37] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: gratz!
[08:37] <equinoxeB> after reboot... NO X :P
[08:37] <PhinnFort> or congratulations
[08:37] <equinoxeB> so... in console...
[08:37] <cpk1> elyon225: to make the folder you will need to be root so in konsole cd to /media and then do sudo mkdir dvd
[08:37] <PhinnFort> heh
[08:37] <elyon225> cpk1: Can I likewise rename the cdrom0 to something friendlier by creating a new directory in /media?
[08:37] <fabien> bjour a tous, g un pb : pas de son avec linux kubuntu !
[08:37] <equinoxeB> reinstalled .32
[08:37] <equinoxeB> and... yes... it worked :P
[08:38] <cpk1> elyon225: sure can =)
[08:38] <scifi> i have a strange problem with konqueror. i cannot login to my database using phpmyadmin, however i have just tried firefox and can login fine, any advice appreciated
[08:38] <happyday> i need it to serve up desktop 1
[08:38] <elyon225> cpk1: Man, I love Linux! lol
[08:38] <PhinnFort> happyday: install x11vnc
[08:38] <equinoxeB> thanks a lot!
[08:38] <equinoxeB> :)
[08:38] <PhinnFort> equinoxeB: you are very welcome;)
[08:38] <equinoxeB> ;)
[08:38] <PhinnFort> happyday: sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[08:39] <PhinnFort> then run "DISPLAY=1; x11vnc", i think
[08:39] <elyon225> cpk1: Do I need to restart anything to apply the changes?
[08:39] <PhinnFort> you might want to use ssh, though
[08:39] <fabien> hy everybody, I haven't no sound on my Kubuntu , someone can help me ?
[08:39] <equinoxeB> it' still poltergeist to me... but... it works now :P
[08:39] <eetu> beep
[08:39] <PhinnFort> ;)
[08:39] <happyday> ok it's installing
[08:39] <happyday> and done
[08:40] <PhinnFort> ok
[08:40] <elyon225> cpk1: Uhm... so I made the new directories and changed fstab, now I can't eject EITHER drive lol.  What did I miss?
[08:40] <PhinnFort> or "acknowledged"
[08:41] <Xemanth> elyon225: do new folder /media/cd edit from fstab /dev/hdc to point to /media/cd and reboot
[08:41] <PhinnFort> happyday: over what kind of network are you vnc'ing?
[08:41] <fabien> I haven't sound on my Kubuntu , someone can help me ?, I have install Kunbuntu for  week zand no sound !
[08:41] <elyon225> Xemanth: ah... I have to reboot.  That's what I was missing
[08:41] <Xemanth> elyon225: or whatever you want to folder's name, but i think that reboot helps :)
[08:41] <elyon225> Will be back.
[08:41] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:41] <kolla> simple question.. will there be kde-3.5.6 for dapper?
[08:42] <equinoxeB> bye bye
[08:42] <happyday> it's a LAN
[08:42] <PhinnFort> happyday: do you trust all the machines there?
[08:43] <PhinnFort> if you do, you can probably lay off ssh
[08:43] <happyday> i think so
[08:43] <happyday> it told me connection refused
[08:43] <happyday> :/
[08:43] <happyday> dammit
[08:43] <PhinnFort> if you don't use ssh, everyone on that lan can see what you're doing;)
[08:43] <happyday> all the computers are mine
[08:43] <PhinnFort> did you run x11vnc
[08:43] <happyday> yea
[08:43] <PhinnFort> did it say anything?
[08:44] <happyday> said a lot of stuff
[08:44] <PhinnFort> also, remember to use computername:1
[08:44] <PhinnFort> since it's screen 1
[08:44] <PhinnFort> when you connect, that is
[08:44] <PhinnFort> !x11vnc
[08:44] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[08:45] <happyday> hmm
[08:45] <happyday> now i get an error when i run x11vnc
[08:45] <PhinnFort> make sure you properly kill the first one
[08:45] <PhinnFort> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=45565
[08:46] <distro-tester> hi all
[08:46] <distro-tester> do u know how to run phillips SPC200NC webcam on kubuntu?
[08:46] <happyday> i type x11vnc -display :1
[08:46] <elyon225> Now, if I don't have a floppy drive installed, is it okay to remove the directories for it from /media and remove reference in fstab?
[08:47] <PhinnFort> elyon225: yes
[08:47] <cpk1> elyon225: can you reliably open and close your cd/dvd trays?
[08:47] <PhinnFort> happyday: can you paste the errors on rafb.net/paste
[08:48] <elyon225> cpk1: Yes... but the folder icon for my DVD drive still shows up on my desktop.  I can't eject with that, I need to open /media to do it.
[08:48] <fabien> who have sound on Kubuntu ?
[08:48] <PhinnFort> elyon225: try opening media:/ instead
[08:48] <elyon225> PhinnFort: Pardon?
[08:48] <kolla> so, noone knows? kde-3.5.6 for dapper? :)
[08:49] <elyon225> kolla: You can do it, but it's not supported.
[08:49] <PhinnFort> elyon225: media:/ shows all your media
[08:49] <happyday> ok i got it, thx :D
[08:49] <elyon225> kolla: Not even supported in Edgy, I don't think.
[08:49] <cpk1> elyon225: there is no option to safely remove or anything??
[08:49] <PhinnFort> happyday: np
[08:49] <PhinnFort> :P
[08:49] <stdin> kolla: kde 3.5.6 isn't available for dapper
[08:49] <elyon225> cpk1: There is when I open /media in konq.
[08:49] <kolla> and wont be?
[08:49] <elyon225> cpk1: But the desktop icon is just a regular folder... Move to Trash, etc.
[08:49] <stdin> kolla: no plans to so far
[08:50] <kolla> (I dont give a rats ass about "supported" or not)
[08:50] <elyon225> kolla: Nope.  You can always install it manually, though.
[08:50] <gabigab> bonsoir  tous
[08:50] <distro-tester> i nead help to tun this cam phillips SPC200NC any one can help me?
[08:50] <PhinnFort> !fr
[08:50] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:50] <cpk1> elyon225: well for some reason my cdrom0 desktop icon dissapears so i just use console to umount it so i suppose you are in a better boat than me =P
[08:50] <elyon225> cpk1: Alrighty then... I shan't complain :)
[08:51] <PhinnFort> argh... kopete is getting fat...
[08:51] <elyon225> Not a big deal anyway, just a few extra steps.  However... is there a way to prevent the icon from showing on my desktop at all?  I've already tried KDE's "Show Device Icons" but that doesn't help.
[08:51] <distro-tester> can any one help me to run my webcam phillips SPC200NC ?
[08:51] <cpk1> elyon225: right click on your desktop and then go to create new then link to device
[08:51] <happyday> i'm spying on my roommate!
[08:52] <happyday> i'm such a nerd :(
[08:52] <gabigab> je voudrais de l'aide pour ma webcam philips spc 500  nc
[08:52] <cpk1> elyon225: to see if we can make an icon that will let you eject
[08:52] <gabigab> elle fonctionne sous wxp
[08:52] <PhinnFort> !fr | gabigab
[08:52] <ubotu> gabigab: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:52] <gabigab> mais je suis sur kubuntu edgy
[08:53] <cpk1> elyon225: if i make an icon like that I can eject from the right click menu
[08:53] <gabigab> je quitte au revoir
[08:54] <elyon225> cpk1: Hmm.. tried doing that, but it gives errors that say FSDevice has no "dev=" entry or something like that.  But right-clicking and choosing eject, ejects the wrong drive lol
[08:54] <genii> distro-tester http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107922
[08:54] <cpk1> elyon225: paste you fstab to  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to make sure there is nothing wrong with it =)
[08:56] <elyon225> cpk1: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3001/
[08:57] <cpk1> it looks ok... and the folders in /media are in all caps right? (case matters in linux)
[08:57] <elyon225> cpk1: Yes, they are.
[08:57] <elyon225> cpk1: I can access the files on them just fine
[08:58] <elyon225> cpk1: Ideally, what I'd like is one of 2 things:  1) Have the icons for CD's show up on my desktop using the CD labels.  or 2) Not have any icons show up at all.
[08:59] <elyon225> ...although, CD labels is a Windows thing, isn't it?
[09:00] <LTSmash> hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:01] <LTSmash> does anybody knows how to install glbc?
[09:01] <elyon225> well, I'll tackle this issue a little later.  I'm going to reinstall windows now.  But before I do, has anyone successfully used the Super GRUB Disc?
[09:01] <LTSmash> glibc*
[09:03] <stdin> LTSmash: glibc = libc6 which should already be installed
[09:05] <kolla> if "installing manually" means compiling it myself, I dont quite see the point in using ubuntu in the first place... guess I rather just upgrade to edgy
[09:05] <LTSmash> huh?
[09:05] <LTSmash> is edgy a good option?
[09:06] <stdin> why wouldn't it be?
[09:06] <LTSmash> i dont know
[09:06] <LTSmash> i use dapper drake
[09:06] <kolla> because it doesnt have "long time support" like dapper has
[09:06] <ubuntu_> i
[09:06] <stdin> I use feisty :)
[09:06] <kolla> not that I know what "long time support" acrually means though
[09:07] <stdin> kolla: edgy still has 18 months, 12 after feisty is released
[09:07] <nagyv> LTSmash: what are you affraid of?
[09:08] <LTSmash> im not afraid
[09:08] <LTSmash> xD
[09:08] <LTSmash> but i have no patience
[09:08] <LTSmash> to upgrade
[09:08] <kolla> stdin: well, I have no intention of being stuck with the same software for 18 months anyways :)
[09:08] <nagyv> LTSmash: if you choose edgy, and after feist, ... then you will always get some cool new features, but it can happen that instead of upgrading you will have to reinstall your system
[09:08] <kolla> nagyv: why.. I never understood why reinstall at all should be necessary
[09:09] <nagyv> LTSmash: actually, first I upgraded, but the system was quite unstable, then I reinstalled it (for the first time using a live CD), and I was really amazed. It took only 28 minutes!
[09:10] <nagyv> kolla: it would be nice if it would not be necessary, but in my case it was an easier solution then playing around with config files, and I needed some edgy-only packages
[09:10] <kolla> I installed this installation I'm running on my laptop three laptops ago, in 2002 :)
[09:10] <LTSmash> mmm
[09:10] <LTSmash> stupid isp
[09:11] <nagyv> kolla: good for you
[09:11] <kolla> nagyv: going through the config files isnt that hard, you even have debsums to help you :)
[09:12] <kolla> but whatever works for you.. :)
[09:12] <hak5fan> Hi. Have anyone here had any luck installing g15composer (for the logitech g15 keyboard) I compiled libg15render (required package). I found a deb package of g15composer, but when I try to install it, the installer says that g15render  is not installed. Thnaks
[09:15] <stdin> hak5fan: have you tried "sudo apt-get -f install" ?
[09:15] <hak5fan> yes
[09:15] <hak5fan> no luck
[09:15] <slyfox> I have created out of 80 gigs - 10 gigs for "/" 1 gig for "/swap" and ther rest 69gigs for "/home" all are different partitions, when I do fdisk -l, I get this http://pastebin.com/868118  and it does not look like what I have created, I cant even understand what it says. I am just a noob, pelase help.
[09:15] <hak5fan> I can't compile g15composer from  source either, It says some file is missing
[09:16] <kolla> and there "apt-get dist-upgrade" failed, who could have guessed
[09:17] <stdin> god pastebin.com is slow
[09:17] <hak5fan> I really don't know what to do... There is almost no documentation avaliable
[09:17] <hak5fan> stdin: slow servers = boring
[09:17] <LTSmash> does
[09:18] <stdin> slyfox: remake the partitions again
[09:18] <LTSmash> anybody knows how to install glibc?
[09:18] <cpk1> hak5fan: if it says a dependency is missing then you need to install the depency
[09:18] <stdin> LTSmash: like I said before, it's already installed
[09:18] <LTSmash> but
[09:18] <slyfox> stdin: remake them? How you mean resintall my whole system ?
[09:18] <LTSmash> i need a newer version
[09:18] <LTSmash> i need to upgrade it
[09:19] <stdin> slyfox: have you already installed on them?
[09:19] <hak5fan> cpk1: I have installed it... the problem is... I compiled the dependency from source and the deb installer can't find the installed package
[09:19] <LTSmash> i need the 2.4 or 2.5 version
[09:19] <slyfox> stdin: Yes, I did the process of partitioning when I was installing Kubuntu I am talking to you from now
[09:19] <slyfox> stdin: so did soemthing got massed up ?
[09:19] <stdin> slyfox: what device are you installing from ? sda or sdb ?
[09:20] <stdin> *installed
[09:20] <cpk1> hak5fan: you need to tell the system its installed =) what dependency did you install?
[09:20] <hak5fan> libg15render
[09:20] <stdin> LTSmash: then upgrade to edgy
[09:20] <LTSmash> mmm
[09:21] <LTSmash> to edgy?
[09:21] <LTSmash> well i get this instructions
[09:21] <LTSmash> GNU libc cannot be compiled in the source directory.  You must build it
[09:21] <stdin> info libc6 edgy
[09:21] <LTSmash> in a separate build directory.  For example, if you have unpacked the
[09:21] <LTSmash> glibc sources in `/src/gnu/glibc-2.4', create a directory
[09:21] <LTSmash> `/src/gnu/glibc-build' to put the object files in.  This allows
[09:21] <LTSmash> removing the whole build directory in case an error occurs, which is
[09:21] <LTSmash> the safest way to get a fresh start and should always be done.
[09:21] <LTSmash> From your object directory, run the shell script `configure' located
[09:21] <LTSmash> at the top level of the source tree.  In the scenario above, you'd type
[09:21] <LTSmash>      $ ../glibc-2.4/configure ARGS...
[09:21] <LTSmash>    Please note that even though you're building in a separate build
[09:21] <LTSmash> directory, the compilation needs to modify a few files in the source
[09:21] <LTSmash> directory, especially some files in the manual subdirectory.
[09:21] <slyfox> stdin: Not sure what these, mean I think it was sda (what is the difference between the two?) I have a sata laptop hard drive. When I erased everything with gparted I think it ws that is ued when installing Kubuntu, I have right clicked and created a 10 gig parition with ext3 to whcih I installed "/" and next was a 1 gig swap and next one was a ext3 parition to which I isntalled "/home"  That is all  I know
[09:21] <cpk1> hak5fan: hrmm well it might have been better to use check install but did you do ldconfig after you built that?
[09:22] <hak5fan> cpk1:  no... should I
[09:22] <tdd1984> whats linux text based browser again i can't remember
[09:22] <hak5fan> cpk1: I'm very new to linux
[09:22] <stdin> slyfox: what's the output of "sudo fdisk -l"
[09:22] <LTSmash> i dont understand that instructions
[09:22] <LTSmash> do i have to make a new folder?
[09:23] <cpk1> hak5fan: wont hurt
[09:23] <stdin> tdd1984: you mean lynx links link2 and/or elinks
[09:23] <LTSmash> and then copy to it which files?
[09:23] <hak5fan> cpk1: ok what's chkinstall btw
[09:23] <stdin> LTSmash: what are you compiling ?
[09:24] <slyfox> stdin: http://pastebin.com/868131 looks about right ?
[09:24] <LTSmash> im compiling glibc
[09:24] <gnomefreak> !checkinstall
[09:24] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[09:24] <stdin> LTSmash: why are you ?
[09:24] <hak5fan> cpk1: I ran ldconfig and then tried to install the deb package again... no luck
[09:24] <LTSmash> its a dependency
[09:24] <stdin> of ?
[09:25] <stdin> slyfox: that looks better :)
[09:25] <tdd1984> I have none of them installed
[09:25] <tdd1984> lol
[09:25] <tdd1984> u sure thats the text browsers for the shell
[09:25] <stdin> tdd1984: all of them are condole text browsers, yeah
[09:25] <the1freak> hi all.. does anybody have an idea what i could do;  i have a stupid wg111v2 wlan thingy, i installed the ndiswrapper and the windows driver and did some other things according to tutorials in the internet, but i cannot find my network.. i entered the essid, and my accesspoint is set up so that it doesnt require WEP or other encryptions
[09:26] <slyfox> stdin: please tell me what is it that I have sda when most people talk about hda ? Is it becasue I ahve a sata drive? Also why did fdisk -l not work and   sudo fdisk -l worked ?
[09:26] <LTSmash> stdin: i just need to upgrade it, i downloaded the source but when i use ./configure it says that i have to follow the instructions O_o
[09:26] <tdd1984> opps i got it
[09:26] <tdd1984> does windows box have a text based browser?
[09:26] <stdin> LTSmash: why do you need to upgrade it ?
[09:26] <cpk1> hak5fan: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/G15Tools_support_for_the_Logitech_G15 that should get you going
[09:26] <stdin> tdd1984: no, no that I know of
[09:27] <LTSmash> stdin: as i sayd before, its a dependency to a program i need
[09:27] <stdin> slyfox: hda-z are for IDE devices, sda-z are sor SCSI (SATA) devices
[09:27] <cpk1> hak5fan: looks really straightforward and easy
[09:27] <stdin> LTSmash: and what program is that ?
[09:27] <LTSmash> stdin: plusd 2.0
[09:27] <slyfox> stdin: Got it and the other question any ideas? why did fdisk -l not work and   sudo fdisk -l worked ?
[09:28] <hak5fan> cpk1: looked at that guide once b4... I just need to dl the libg15 render deb package
[09:28] <hak5fan> thanx
[09:28] <tdd1984> nasty
[09:28] <tdd1984> don't the search engines start at the index.html and crawl out through there?
[09:28] <stdin> slyfox: and sudo fdisk -l worked because the user probably didn't have permission to read the disk (/dev/sda)
[09:29] <elyon225> OKay guys, I've got a problem.  I tried to install Windows XP on a new partition, but it told me it couldn't access the MBR (and thus couldn't install).  So I rebooted and found that GRUB had been overwritten.  I'm using a LiveCD right now.  So I guess my question is two-fold.  1) How do I get to install Windows, and 2) How can I get GRUB back?
[09:29] <stdin> LTSmash: ok, you make a new dir, then you cd to that dir, then run the configure script from that new dir and build it there
[09:30] <stdin> !grub | elyon225
[09:30] <ubotu> elyon225: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:30] <LTSmash> stdin: i did that and it aks for a library
[09:30] <stdin> elyon225: use the 1st link there
[09:30] <cpk1> elyon225: also in future its alot less headache to install windows first
[09:31] <tdd1984> is there a way i can have a windows box connect to my terminal? to run a text browser on a remote system
[09:31] <elyon225> cpk1, Oh, I know it would be... but I wasn't planningo n installing Windows.
[09:31] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~/Desktop/glibxD/glibc-build$ sudo ./configure
[09:31] <LTSmash> Password:
[09:31] <LTSmash> configure: error: cannot find sources (include/features.h) in . or ..
[09:31] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~/Desktop/glibxD/glibc-build$
[09:31] <stdin> LTSmash: 1) if you upgrade to edgy you'll have version 2.4 2) you don't use sudo to configure, or make
[09:32] <stdin> LTSmash: and you don't just copy the files to the new dir either
[09:32] <stdin> LTSmash: you have an empty one to start with, then run configure
[09:32] <elyon225> As far as installing windows, can I use the Windows install CD to run FIXMBR?
[09:33] <LTSmash> stdin: so if i coy the files from the other dir what will happen?
[09:34] <ubuntu_> salut mec sa va bien
[09:34] <stdin> LTSmash: it won't work, like the instructions say, you make a new dir, and run configure from there, eg ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~/Desktop/glibxD/glibc-build$ ../real-glibc/configure
[09:34] <stdin> !fr
[09:34] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:35] <slyfox> stdin: Ok, Thank You.
[09:35] <stdin> slyfox: no problem :)
[09:36] <CainMadness> Keep getting an error with Adept. Tells me that a package doesn't install right or something, and then closes down without installing the rest? Believe it was a divx file. ( Should have paid attention. Oops. )
[09:37] <hak5fan> cpk1: thank you so much... even though I've looked at the wiki before I didn't check the packages in the attached archive because I thought they were the same files.. the difference was that these actually semms to work
[09:37] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: close adept in terminal type sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:38] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: Doing so now.
[09:38] <cpk1> hak5fan: heh, no problem, its always easier to use a .deb if there is one out there =)
[09:38] <cpk1> happy to hear it works now
[09:38] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: Done.
[09:38] <tibbar> !mp3 | tibbar
[09:38] <ubotu> tibbar: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:38] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: errors?
[09:38] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: Not that I can see...?
[09:39] <hak5fan> cpk1: couldn't agree more
[09:39] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: did it setup anything?
[09:39] <CainMadness> gnomefreak:  Yes it did.
[09:39] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: Several things.
[09:39] <gnomefreak> it should have said setting up <bleh>
[09:39] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: than your good
[09:39] <TheHermit> Goodnight all
[09:39] <CainMadness> gnomefreak:  Re-run Adept now?
[09:39] <gnomefreak> fixed report a bug against adept please
[09:39] <ForgeAus> bye back soon hopefully
[09:39] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: no need everything you downloaded is installed
[09:39] <TheHermit> Never mind ^_^
[09:40] <TheHermit> heheh
[09:40] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: Thank you!
[09:40] <gnomefreak> TheHermit: good morning instead?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: yw
[09:40] <TheHermit> gnomefreak, okay but here its night
[09:40] <gnomefreak> here its 3:30pm ish
[09:41] <LTSmash> stdin:thanks it worked ;-)
[09:41] <TheHermit> is there a problem if i installed the newest versions of some apps its ver is older in the adept
[09:41] <gnomefreak> TheHermit: huh?
[09:41] <CainMadness> gnomefreak: What about in Adept, when it gets up to 99% of headers? I generally click cancel after awhile, and it will go about installing all it has so far.
[09:41] <gnomefreak> depends what you have upgraded to and what you kept the older versions
[09:41] <ubuntu__> Hi
[09:41] <TheHermit> gnomefreak, its 10:50 pm
[09:42] <LTSmash> stdin: oh god, i got this
[09:42] <LTSmash> *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed into
[09:42] <LTSmash> *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable.
[09:42] <LTSmash> *** We strongly advise to use a different prefix.  For details read the FAQ.
[09:42] <LTSmash> *** If you really mean to do this, run configure again using the extra
[09:42] <LTSmash> *** parameter `--disable-sanity-checks'.
[09:42] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~/Desktop/glibxD/glibc-build$
[09:42] <LTSmash> stdin: now what should i do?
[09:42] <gnomefreak> CainMadness: sudo apt-get update. will finish the header downlaods please file a bug on adept with the issues you have with it
[09:42] <gnomefreak> !paste | LTSmash
[09:42] <ubotu> LTSmash: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:42] <cpk1> umm why build libc?
[09:43] <LTSmash> i need it for a program
[09:43] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: i also suggest you dont install/build a different version of glibc
[09:43] <cpk1> you already have libc
[09:43] <LTSmash> gnomefreak: i need a newer version
[09:43] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: you will have one program work what about the ones that wont work
[09:43] <TheHermit> gnomefreak, the amsn in the adept is 01.95 and there is newer ver is there a porblem if i installed it
[09:43] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: your system will render usless
[09:44] <TheHermit> 0.95*
[09:44] <gnomefreak> TheHermit: thats not an issue
[09:44] <stdin> LTSmash: try adding "--prefix=/usr" after configure
[09:44] <TheHermit> gnomefreak, okay
[09:44] <LTSmash> 1
[09:45] <gnomefreak> TheHermit: more of an issue is like what LTSmash is doing since the kernel he has and gcc and everything else depends on libc6
[09:45] <LTSmash> 2
[09:45] <LTSmash> 3
[09:45] <LTSmash> 4
[09:45] <LTSmash> 5
[09:45] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: stop that
[09:45] <LTSmash>   ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~$ plusd
[09:45] <LTSmash> plusd: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.14)
[09:45] <LTSmash> plusd: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /lib/libssl.so.6)
[09:45] <LTSmash> plusd: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /lib/libcrypto.so.6)
[09:45] <LTSmash> ferreteria@ferreteria-desktop:~$
[09:45] <gnomefreak> LjL: i had it
[09:45] <LjL> what the heck are you doing LTSmash
[09:45] <TheHermit> gnomefreak, ok
[09:45] <LTSmash> hey
[09:46] <LTSmash> the copybin didnt work
[09:46] <cpk1> it works
[09:46] <LTSmash> no it doesnt works
[09:46] <LjL> pastebin...
[09:46] <gnomefreak> if you go there and paste on that web site than hit send than give us the link it works fine
[09:46] <LTSmash> that thing
[09:46] <LTSmash> ah
[09:46] <LjL> and it's up and running
[09:46] <LTSmash> y didnt knew
[09:46] <LTSmash> sorry
[09:47] <LjL> you didn't know so it didn't work? ah ok :o)
[09:47] <LTSmash> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3007/
[09:47] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: the bot told you that
[09:47] <gnomefreak> LTSmash: next time please read it all
[09:47] <LTSmash> i need that program working
[09:48] <LTSmash> so if theres no solution
[09:48] <LTSmash> i will upgrade to edgy
[09:48] <cpk1> LTSmash: you do know that upgrading your glib can cause many problems and break things that depend on your old version of glib
[09:50] <cpk1> everything that is anything depends on glibc
[09:52] <TheHermit> !amsn
[09:52] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[09:53] <juano__> TheHermit: get amsn 0.86
[09:53] <juano__> 0.96 lol
[09:53] <LTSmash> but i need glib working
[09:53] <LTSmash> i NEED THAT SOFT
[09:54] <nagyv> LTSmash: if you need it so much, then upgrade
[09:54] <LjL> LTSmash: what soft is that out of curiosity?
[09:54] <LTSmash> i will
[09:54] <LTSmash> LjL: a sales point
[09:55] <TheHermit> juano__, why ?
[09:55] <LTSmash> if i could get another sales point without taking the risk
[09:55] <juano__> TheHermit: http://amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php
[09:55] <LjL> LTSmash: and it comes in binary-only form i suppose?
[09:55] <juano__> TheHermit: much better with webcam support and other stuff
[09:55] <TheHermit> juano__, i am on the site now
[09:55] <juano__> TheHermit: download the generic installer
[09:56] <juano__> TheHermit: for 0.96
[09:56] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[09:56] <juano__> TheHermit: you need to get tcl8.4 first from repos
[09:57] <juano__> TheHermit: sudo apt-get install tcl8.4
[09:57] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[09:57] <juano__> TheHermit: or from synaptic
[09:57] <nagyv> juano__: why not apt-get amsn directly?
[09:57] <juano__> nagyv: cause its 0.95 old version
[09:57] <TheHermit> adept
[09:57] <juano__> nagyv: not good with webcam and other stuff
[09:58] <TheHermit> nagyv, go to the site and vote for the new features will be incloded in the new ver wich will be newer that 095  http://amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php
[09:59] <TheHermit> 0.96*
[09:59] <TheHermit> thanks juano__
[10:00] <juano__> TheHermit: no prob
[10:00] <juano__> TheHermit: if you need help with installing give me a msg
[10:01] <TheHermit> juano__, thanks i will see the instruction form the site
[10:01] <juano__> TheHermit: right its got a how to there
[10:01] <TheHermit> yes
[10:03] <TheHermit> juano__, its okay if i dowenload the auto package right
[10:04] <juano__> TheHermit: yes, the generic installer
[10:04] <TheHermit> juano__, oh yes
[10:04] <TheHermit> ok
[10:04] <juano__> TheHermit: in fact, its the only package for 0.96, cause the other distro specific packages are 0.95
[10:05] <TheHermit> juano__, ok
[10:06] <LTSmash> LjL: no, it comes in source and rpm
[10:06] <TheHermit> juano__, i had this And sorry for lines
[10:06] <TheHermit> Checking for required C library versions ... OK
[10:06] <TheHermit> Checking for X ... OK
[10:06] <TheHermit> Checking for TCL Scripting Language ... OK
[10:06] <TheHermit> Checking for Tk GUI Toolkit ... failed
[10:06] <TheHermit> -------------------------------
[10:06] <TheHermit> Error: Could not find 'Tk GUI Toolkit'. Try using the native package manager for Ubuntu 6.10 (apt-get) to install a package with similar name to 'tk'.
[10:06] <TheHermit> Error: Unable to prepare package AMSN MSN client.
[10:06] <juano__> TheHermit: get tk GUI form repos
[10:07] <LTSmash> LjL: i used the rpm converted to deb because the source failed to compile
[10:07] <TheHermit> okay i will see it
[10:07] <slyfox> Can I pull data from my Googel Calendar into Kontact- Calendar ?
[10:07] <LjL> LTSmash: is the source available for me to try?
[10:07] <juano__> TheHermit: sudo apt-get install tk8.4
[10:07] <TheHermit> ok
[10:08] <juano__> after getting that run the installer again
[10:09] <TheHermit> okay
[10:12] <TheHermit> juano__, Do you know deryl
[10:12] <nagyv> slyfox: you can use ical
[10:12] <juano__> TheHermit: deryl?? or beryl?
[10:12] <TheHermit> sorry with b
[10:12] <nagyv> slyfox: but as I know you won't be able to write it
[10:12] <juano__> TheHermit: heh, yep i have it installed
[10:12] <juano__> TheHermit: did amsn work now?
[10:13] <TheHermit> juano__, its installing
[10:13] <juano__> TheHermit: good
[10:13] <TheHermit> finished
[10:13] <juano__> TheHermit: run amsn from alt +F2 now or from internet apps
[10:13] <slyfox> nagyv: I cant find the ical anywhere from the lsit of available calendars, does it ahve a sepcial name ?
[10:13] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[10:13] <nagyv> it is under the calendar's settings
[10:14] <TheHermit> juano__, So how can i install it beryl or it will take too long
[10:14] <nagyv> slyfox: ^^^
[10:14] <juano__> TheHermit: no, its not long, let me give you the link on the ow to
[10:14] <juano__> how*
[10:14] <slyfox> nagyv: what does this mean? "^^^" ?
[10:14] <TheHermit> okay
[10:14] <jk_> is there a way to force to kopete to automatically save chat history as it is usually done in other chat clients?
[10:15] <juano__> TheHermit: here you go http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/XGL
[10:15] <TheHermit> juano__, i had a problem with amsn icon do you know why
[10:15] <TheHermit> it doesnt appear
[10:15] <nagyv> slyfox: I forget to put your name, and these  ^^^ are the arrows
[10:15] <juano__> TheHermit: i know, mine doesnt either, ill have to check that
[10:15] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[10:15] <stdin> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/InstallingBeryl
[10:15] <juano__> TheHermit: but its just a little detail :P
[10:15] <slyfox> nagyv: so back to calendar, which one of all of them is the iCal in there ?
[10:16] <juano__> TheHermit: that can be fixed
[10:16] <TheHermit> juano__, yes no problem i have icons for it
[10:16] <juano__> TheHermit: cool
[10:16] <TheHermit> yes
[10:16] <LTSmash> LjL: yes there is
[10:16] <nagyv> slyfox: the one where ical is written :)
[10:16] <LTSmash> LjL: look for BananaPOS in google
[10:16] <juano__> TheHermit: check this dir /usr/share/amsn/icons
[10:16] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[10:16] <slyfox> nagyv: but there is no such thing there. When I go to add calendar, from all the choices iCal is not there. Are you sure ?
[10:17] <nagyv> first go to your google calendar, and search for the ical link there
[10:17] <nagyv> slyfox: ^^
[10:17] <TheHermit> juano__, is there a special vga cards to make it work
[10:17] <TheHermit> the beryl
[10:17] <slyfox> nagyv: already have that
[10:18] <juano__> TheHermit: no, it works with ATI and nvidia
[10:18] <stdin> and intel :)
[10:18] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[10:18] <juano__> and intel stdin :)
[10:18] <slyfox> nagyv: here http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/7913/snapshot1of1.png
[10:19] <TheHermit> juano__, okay good
[10:19] <juano__> TheHermit: brb
[10:19] <nagyv> slyfox: calendar in remote file
[10:19] <TheHermit> okay
[10:22] <slyfox> nagyv: Now this http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/262/snapshot2yw0.png
[10:24] <nagyv> slyfox: how did you get this?
[10:25] <slyfox> nagyv: once I selected Gcal as a download calender (nothing for uplaod) it tried to update and I got this
[10:27] <slyfox> nagyv: I pressed ok on that error and GoogleCalendar loaded
[10:27] <nagyv> slyfox: cool :)
[10:30] <TheHermit> juano__, are you back
[10:30] <slyfox> nagyv: I get this error every time I add a new Calendar, do I maybe need to chmod it ?
[10:31] <nagyv> slyfox: I don't think. Try to restart Kontact-Korgranizer-whatever to see if your settings are saved
[10:31] <slyfox> nagyv: You mean if the Calendars are there or the view mode is saved ?
[10:31] <juano> TheHermit: yes
[10:32] <TheHermit> juano, what is TSL
[10:32] <juano__> TheHermit: tcl you mean?
[10:32] <TheHermit> juano, YEs sorry
[10:32] <nagyv> slyfox: the calendars
[10:32] <TheHermit> juano, How to keep sure i installed it correctly
[10:32] <juano__> TheHermit: a scrpting programming language
[10:32] <nagyv> slyfox: stop the reminder also!
[10:33] <TheHermit> juano, no no in the amsn
[10:33] <TheHermit> juano, never mind
[10:33] <slyfox> nagyv: calendars are there, but the error also pops up
[10:34] <juano__> TheHermit: amsn is written in tcl
[10:34] <juano__> TheHermit: you need tcl runtime files to execute amsn
[10:34] <nagyv> slyfox: I know, in the meantime I have checked it too. Simply delete the file.
[10:34] <TheHermit> juano, there is something comes out in the first login
[10:34] <nagyv> slyfox: probably korganizer wants to delete it using a non-authorized (virtual) user
[10:35] <TheHermit> juano__,no prob and okay
[10:35] <juano__> TheHermit: ok, you can do a dpkg -L tcl8.4 and see all the files installed from that package
[10:36] <juano__> TheHermit: same with every package
[10:36] <slyfox> nagyv: ok I deleted those temp files
[10:36] <TheHermit> juano__, okay
[10:36] <juano__> TheHermit: ill be back in a while
[10:36] <nagyv> slyfox: now restart Korgranizer (or do whatever you want :) )
[10:37] <TheHermit> juano__,okay
[10:37] <slyfox> nagyv: look now http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5681/snapshot3cb3.jpg
[10:39] <Io____> rkfewjgkljdfkglw
[10:42] <CainMadness> Is gedit still used for editing source list files? When I try, it says that the command is not found.
[10:42] <nagyv> slyfox: it seems that you did not deleted the files (you don't need sudo, they are you files)
[10:42] <stdin> CainMadness: use kate not gedit, and kdesu not gksu
[10:43] <nagyv> slyfox: could you check the permissions and the owner of the file?
[10:43] <slyfox> nagyv: let me see
[10:43] <CainMadness> stdin: Thanks!
[10:45] <slyfox> nagyv: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7773/snapshot5bt6.jpg
[10:46] <kosta> !de
[10:46] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:47] <nagyv> slyfox: exactly what I told to you before. Koranizer would like to delete it, but it uses a different user for this, so it fails.
[10:47] <stdin> delete? I thought it said rename?
[10:48] <slyfox> nagyv: so there is no solution ?
[10:48] <nagyv> slyfox: close Korganizer, and delete them using Konqueror
[10:49] <Gokul> I have nvidia-glx drivers installed and enabled for my kubuntu-edgy system, but the screensaver runs ridiculously slow when using the 3d GL screensavers
[10:49] <Gokul> any idea why this is happening?
[10:50] <Gokul> I have a multi-head setup with GeForce 7300 GT/PCI/SSE2 card
[10:51] <nagyv> slyfox: do you still have the error message?
[10:52] <slyfox> nagyv: someone in #kontact tells me that this is a bug and they released a patch for it yeterday
[10:52] <nagyv> slyfox: cool, anyway in my case deleting the file worked well
[10:52] <slyfox> nagyv: how do you delte it using korganizer? I can only view and preview with korganizer these files
[10:53] <nagyv> slyfox: use konqueror
[10:54] <slyfox> nagyv: exactly and when I right click I get open with and preview with Korganizer
[10:54] <nagyv> slyfox: and you can also delete it
[10:54] <ktonyy> anybody speak spanich ?
[10:54] <nagyv> !es
[10:54] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:54] <ktonyy> spanish
[10:55] <nagyv> ktonyy: they speak it :)
[10:55] <ktonyy> i know but anybody answer my question
[10:55] <slyfox> nagyv: when I start Kontact again, these files are created again
[10:55] <nagyv> slyfox: and did you received the error message?
[10:56] <ktonyy> no responden mi pregunta
[10:56] <slyfox> nagyv: not yet, hold on
[10:57] <ktonyy> anybody dont doesnt answer my question
[10:57] <ktonyy> jajaja
[10:57] <ktonyy> all right
[10:57] <slyfox> nagyv: korganizer daemon was running by the way when I jsut launched kontact and before that I would quit both and start kontact which would launch korganizer and I would get the error messaages
[10:57] <misha> can anyone help with a borked konsole?
[10:58] <ktonyy> i cant listen my mp3 in amarok  why ?
[10:58] <slyfox> ktonyy: You need a codect, when you play mp3 in Amarok, it asks you to get the mp3 codec allow it to do so
[10:58] <misha> ktonyy: installed the codecs?
[10:58] <nagyv> slyfox: strange, I just started to google after a solution to write google cal with korganizer, that can help to you too
[10:59] <slyfox> nagyv: from #kontact : <winterz> slyfox: I think Bille put in a patch for that bug yesterday.
[10:59] <matt0507> ktonyy: open adept and look for w32codec and instal that, should be able to play  p3s
[10:59] <ktonyy> misha:  nop LOL please write me  the url pls to download
[10:59] <slyfox> nagyv: and then they ask me if I know how to build from source
[10:59] <slyfox> nagyv: "<winterz> slyfox: can you build from source?"
[11:00] <ktonyy> ok misha
[11:00] <slyfox> nagyv: I say not and they say "<winterz> slyfox: then I guess you'll have to wait for kde 3.5.7"
[11:00] <nagyv> slyfox: I just read this: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/korganizer-devel/2006-December/000899.html
[11:01] <arne00> hi iv'e got a broadcom bcm4310 wlan card and are now looking for drivers. does anybody know some good HOWTO page with drivers?
[11:01] <nagyv> slyfox: http://svn.opensync.org/plugins/google-calendar/
[11:01] <ubuntu_> hiii
[11:01] <misha> ktonyy: have you got universe and mulitverse reops added?
[11:01] <ninHer> hi all
[11:01] <TheHermit_> How to keep sure that TLS in the amsn working
[11:02] <ubuntu_> I just got the latest kubuntu dvd; but they still haven't fixed the problem with graphics in the installation
[11:02] <misha> ktonyy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats has all you need to know
[11:02] <ubuntu_> it's a serious usability issue; nobody new to linux in their right mind would expect 'safe' mode to operate at a higher resolution
[11:02] <slyfox> nagyv: let me see
[11:03] <ubuntu_> not quite
[11:03] <ubuntu_> I am talking about when installing kubuntu from the live dvd
[11:03] <ubuntu_> i think this needs to be addressed for the next build
[11:04] <ubuntu_> oh wait will come back
[11:04] <yuriy> ubuntu_: which installer is that? newest feisty? and what do you mean, is "safe" mode the open sourse and not safe is binary?
[11:05] <ktonyy> thanks misha
[11:06] <ForgeAus> whats error 14 in grub?
[11:06] <ForgeAus> or was it 17...
[11:06] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[11:07] <slyfox> nagyv: I submitted a vote for Gcal
[11:07] <nagyv> slyfox: where?
[11:08] <slyfox> nagyv: The link you gave me http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125952
[11:09] <slyfox> nagyv: since All I need is to do list and caledanr, I might as well jsut use SunBird
[11:09] <slyfox> nagyv: for notes I use TiddlyWiki
[11:09] <slyfox> nagyv: gone to eat be back soon.
[11:10] <libben> I have an external hd 250 gb on USB 2.0. I want to dualboot with debian and xp and use this external drive for both system... just for storing. no installation files on it. just video and musik and other static data. wich way is the proper way to go? im thinking of using ex2 on it and access with fs-drive
[11:12] <yuriy> libben that would work. or you could go with fat32 but then i think you'd have to partition it
[11:12] <libben> yeah.. alot =)
[11:12] <TheHermit> does chmod a+x enable permision for me for the files which they owened by the root
[11:12] <libben> how much can fat32 take?
[11:13] <libben> 115 gb?
[11:13] <yuriy> something like that, so a couple partitions
[11:13] <libben> is there any downsides on using fat32? except the no journal filesystem
[11:13] <stdin> TheHermit: chmod a+x make the file executable to all users (if you own it)
[11:14] <ForgeAus> how do I get a list of partitions on a drive (sdb) again?
[11:14] <stdin> ForgeAus: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[11:14] <ForgeAus> and the reference as to what type they are corresponding to which /dev/sdb they are
[11:14] <TheHermit> stdin, i need to copy skins to the amsn and its permison to root and i do that command and nothing happened
[11:14] <ForgeAus> thanx stdin
[11:15] <TheHermit> stdin, so how to enable copy skins to the amsn folder
[11:15] <TheHermit> only amsn can i ?
[11:15] <ForgeAus> ahh its changed to sdb2
[11:15] <ForgeAus> somehow
[11:15] <ForgeAus> which kinda works for me
[11:15] <stdin> TheHermit: do you want to copy them somewhere ?
[11:15] <ForgeAus> so I need to take 1 from the references in grub
[11:16] <TheHermit> yes , to this /usr/share/amsn/skins
[11:16] <TheHermit> but i cant
[11:16] <stdin> TheHermit: use sudo cp
[11:16] <ForgeAus> that should fix it
[11:16] <TheHermit> okay
[11:16] <ForgeAus> brb
[11:16] <stdin> TheHermit: or to use konqueror: kdesu konqueror
[11:17] <TheHermit> okay
[11:17] <Pirate-king> hello
[11:17] <Pirate-king> how do you download podcastd
[11:21] <Pirate-king> how do you download podcasts?
[11:21] <Pirate-king> I got gtkpod
[11:21] <stdin> I just use hpodder
[11:21] <Pirate-king> to download podcastd?
[11:21] <stdin> yeah
[11:21] <Pirate-king> hmmmm
[11:22] <ForgeAus> back ... again
[11:22] <ForgeAus> still error 17
[11:23] <ForgeAus> but I think I know why its still about the partition shifting itself
[11:23] <TheHermit> stdin, i had this link deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main     i want to add it to the source list .....add this under what in the source list?
[11:24] <yuriy> TheHermit: just add it anywhere as a new line in the file
[11:25] <TheHermit> yuriy, okay thanks
[11:26] <yuriy> TheHermit: you can also put it in in adept if you go to manage repositories
[11:26] <stdin> TheHermit: you can put it anywhere in the file
[11:26] <TheHermit> i will see it i think its more easier
[11:26] <Trixsey> Will the next version of Kubuntu come with KDE4?
[11:26] <slyfox> Beryl is insane, 256mg of video card.. :-(  I only have 128
[11:26] <stdin> TheHermit: or you can make a new files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/beryl.list
[11:27] <Trixsey> slyfox, it works with 128mb too
[11:27] <stdin> Trixsey: no
[11:27] <Trixsey> stdin, I have 128mb
[11:27] <Trixsey> and beryl works for me :P
[11:27] <TheHermit> stdin, okay
[11:27] <Trixsey> *lol
[11:27] <slyfox> Trixsey: it works only for about 5 windows, the rest are balck becasue of lack of video memory
[11:27] <Trixsey> oh
[11:27] <stdin> Trixsey: it was an answer to the KDE 4 q
[11:27] <Trixsey> I'm not really too heavy on multitasking anyway
[11:27] <Trixsey> so wasn't something I noticed
[11:27] <slyfox> Trixsey: maybe ask in #kde when they plan to release KDE4 and see if it will be before April for next Kubuntu
[11:28] <Trixsey> stdin, ohhh ok
[11:28] <slyfox> Trixsey: Are you running it now ?
[11:28] <slyfox> Trixsey: what video card ?
[11:28] <Trixsey> A radeon mobility card
[11:28] <slyfox> Trixsey: once KDE4 comes out you can easily update
[11:28] <Trixsey> right now? no.. its a little unstable, latest version
[11:28] <slyfox> Trixsey: yeha, I have an nvidia and Nvidia has issues with Beryl
[11:29] <slyfox> Trixsey: yeah, it is still in beta
[11:29] <Trixsey> funny
[11:29] <stdin> KDE4 won't be out for a while, it's still under heavy development
[11:29] <Trixsey> I heard ATI had more probs with beryl than nvidia :p
[11:29] <Trixsey> stdin, for a while as in for another 4-5 months?
[11:29] <slyfox> Trixsey: well nvidia has a famous black window bug
[11:31] <stdin> Trixsey: ask the guys in #kde , especially Sho_
[11:32] <selecta_g> Hello all, I have a problem with KNode in Kontact ("Library files for "libknodepart.la" not found in paths"). Can anyone help please?
[11:32] <ForgeAus> ok trying again
[11:33] <stdin> selecta_g: the file libknodepart.la is in the package knode, if that helps
[11:33] <selecta_g> I thought of trying to install knode again, tried the package manager but it is greyed out and not selectable
[11:34] <stdin> selecta_g: try from konsole
[11:34] <selecta_g> with apt-get?
[11:34] <stdin> selecta_g: yeah
[11:35] <libben> I will allways be able to read a mounted NTFS without any problem?
[11:35] <selecta_g> thanks stdin: $apt-get install knode returns "...no installation candidate"
[11:36] <stdin> selecta_g: do you have universe enabled ?
[11:36] <selecta_g> Oh, I don;t know.... how do i find out and enable it?
[11:36] <stdin> selecta_g: either look in adept, or in your sources.list
[11:37] <stdin> here be da guide...
[11:37] <stdin> !repos
[11:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:45] <selecta_g> stdin and ubotu - thanks, followed the instructions there and still cannot find knode
[11:47] <selecta_g> ahhh, made a mistake. Sorry... trying again
[11:48] <LjL> any particular counterindications you've encountered with installing KDE 3.5.6? (feel free to use a query to avoid flooding the channel with answers - though i'm sure you wouldn't)
[11:51] <selecta_g> ubotu and stdin: many thanks - you did it!! Thanks again
[11:51] <ubotu> and: Auto Nice Daemon. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.2-1.1 (edgy), package size 25 kB, installed size 132 kB
[12:01] <Pinguin2> buenas
[12:01] <PhinnFort> !$PATH
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about PATH - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <Pinguin2> alguien sabe como hacer una httml que contenga un listado de vinculos a archivos de un directorio, para bajar?
[12:03] <ForgeAus> ok I think I need help about now
[12:03] <ForgeAus> grub error 17 means it can't mount a partition right?
[12:06] <ForgeAus> why isn't hd1,1 the partition where grub should be pointing to?
[12:08] <ForgeAus> ok I'll try a different tact (see if it can find my old currently non-functional XP - at least the NTLDR bit works
[12:08] <ForgeAus> I just hate having to reboot and reload the live cd each time I make a change to check it... I'd rather be reasonably sure its right first!
[12:09] <sparr> the kubuntu installer set up my fstab to use UUIDs instead of device names.  how do i find/generate UUIDs for the rest of the things I want to automount?