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jdongany pointers why initramfs would say /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist, but I go to do it manually, and it does magically exist?12:15
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keescookjdong: race with the kernel.12:17
keescookone sec, let me find the bug12:17
jdongkeescook: actually, no, I think I found it :)12:18
keescookoh?12:18
jdongkeescook: initramfs's fstype is blissfully unaware of reiser412:18
keescookaaah12:18
keescookdifferent problem.  :)12:18
jdonglol12:18
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jdong__PWNED :)12:27
jdongLinux wifenpieces 2.6.19-beyond2 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 14:42:08 EST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux12:28
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keescookis publication on hold?12:55
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gnomefreakkeescook: publication? as in uploads?01:10
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keescookgnomefreak: yeah.01:22
lamontkeescook: yeah... maybe I'll see if I can get it from them wearing my day-job hat01:22
gnomefreakkeescook: i believ ethey are in sprint this week01:23
keescookgnomefreak: right, but does that mean freeze?  uploads were working earlier this week.  :)01:23
gnomefreakso it will slow down and pick up torwards end of sprint. iirc that is what happened with edgy01:23
gnomefreakkeescook: no freeze that i know of01:24
keescookokay, just thought I'd double check01:24
gnomefreakif it is its not listed on the release schedule01:24
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bhalekeescook: my upload didnt show up either01:34
keescookbhale: publication from LP to the archives must be down for some reason01:34
ajmitchhow annoying01:35
ajmitchlaunchpad guys know about it yet?01:35
bhaleoh01:35
bhalemy upload wasnt even accepted01:35
keescookajmitch: I've poked them, yeah01:35
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lamontkeescook: do you care about bind 9.2.4?01:50
keescooklamont: I don't, no.  thanks, though01:50
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lamontkeescook: what?!?! no warty patch???  slacker!01:50
lamont:-)01:50
bhalehaha01:50
keescookOct 31 2006 was a good day for me.  :)01:52
lamontkeescook: btw, I have issues with the ubuntu patch in bind9....01:52
lamont9.4 sets the defaults for allow-recursion and allow-cache-query to localhost and localnets respectively...  that's not what the ubuntu patch does...01:53
keescooklamont: ah, yeah, had wanted to talk to you about that.  what're your thoughts?01:53
lamontI added a NEWS file in 9.4.0~rc2-1 (rc1-3???) about the change, and called it soup.01:53
lamontI have no plans to change the default for 9.301:53
lamontsetting it to allow amplifier attacks via any machine on the cable service provider's local net of 2000+ homes doesn't strike me as really solving the issue at all...01:54
lamontthis also let me avoid changing the conffile at all... :-)01:54
keescookI figured that was a corner case since many people have a NAT device between them and the cable.  And those that don't are usually running pretty customized named's.01:55
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bddebianlamont or keescook: You wouldn't happen to know what happened to gnome-vfs-mime.h would you?01:56
lamontand in 9.3, allow-recursion really just determines your response to something not in the cache - you'll still cough up whatever's in the cache.01:56
lamontbddebian: sounds like a gnome question... :)01:56
ajmitchbddebian: what do you mean? it still seems to be there01:56
keescooklamont: ah, so really it should have included allow-cache-query { localnets; }; as well?01:56
bddebianajmitch: In gnomevfs2-dev?01:57
lamontkeescook: and allow-recursion {localhost}01:57
lamontif you're going to lock it down until the admin configures it to what he wants, lock it down... don't go half way01:57
ajmitchlibgnomevfs2-dev: /usr/include/gnome-vfs-2.0/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-mime.h01:57
lamontkeescook: matching the 9.4 default would have been a good thing, you see.... :-)01:57
keescooklamont: I didn't want to limit it to localhost for fear of breaking people that were using named in a default config on a local business network.01:57
bddebianajmitch: That's on feisty?01:57
ajmitchbddebian: of course01:58
lamontin a local business network, localnets tends to break me just as badly as localhost, for most companies01:58
bddebianwtf01:58
keescookthen when they got an update, it would blow up their DNS01:58
ajmitchupdated only a few minutes ago01:58
keescookfor big companies, yeah01:58
lamont_NONE_ of the company nameservers in HP are on the same subnets as _ANY_ desktop or non-dns server.01:58
keescookagain, I figured a larger company would have a customized named.conf01:58
keescookright01:58
keescookmy concern was with people that installed named, but didn't change the named.conf01:58
lamontand, with the conffile change, the upgrade gui silently screams to a halt until you open the terminal and discover that it's asking you a question...01:59
lamontHP also specifically has _NO_ recursion restrictions on its nameservers01:59
lamontadministratively prohibitive01:59
keescookI wanted to limit the impact as much as possible.  For me personally, I totally agree with the 9.4 defaults and will happily defend them for ubuntu too.  :)01:59
lamontof course, HP also has >1% of the total core-routable unicast IPv4 address space...02:00
lamontour bad02:00
lamontthe next acquisitions are: Apple, MIT, and Ford Motor.  then we can advertise 16/6. :-)02:01
keescookeek02:01
lamontwell, I doubt they'll do that...02:02
keescookno way to change the external recursion issues, eh?02:02
lamontI objected to the compaq merger on the basis that 15/8 and 16/8 do not aggregate.02:02
keescookheh02:03
lamonttoo many networks to list, and new business partners that use HP for recursion on a frequent basis.  maintaining the list is beyond the scope of sensibility02:03
lamontand besides, I _use_ those nameservers sometimes. :-)02:03
keescookyeah.  would be interesting to see a "no new DNS servers can have recursion" or something like02:03
lamontthe authorititative servers do not allow recursion02:04
lamontthe non-authoritative servers exist to serve.02:04
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bddebianGah, duhhhh: error: gnome-vfs-module-2.0/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-mime.h02:04
lamontwhen I was in charge of DNS at HP, my assertion was that when we saw the network/cpu load due to, uh, unauthorized queries for NTP and/or DNS, then and only then would we consider blocking the miscreants.02:05
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lamontmy replacement was there for the discussion, and concurs.. now it's just a question of how long we can hold back the masses...02:07
keescookheh02:07
lamontOTOH, certain parts of the company were managing zone delegation by configuring forwarders on every &*%&*)%_ nameserver instead of adding the SOA RR.. sigh02:07
lamontthat, uh, changed.02:07
keescookowchy.  :)02:09
lamont'twas an education exercise....02:10
lamonthrm.. just need alpha, m6k and powerpc to finish building 9.3.4-1 for debian (and several to upload their built bits)...02:10
lamontkeescook: feel free to point pitti at me and I'll defend why 9.3.4 is a good plan for breezy and forward...02:11
lamontdunno that he'll buy it, of course.02:11
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keescookhow does the abi change work, since that's an issue for earlier release regardless?02:12
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bddebianajmitch: That did it, thanks.. I'm such a dork :-(02:15
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grndslmwould it be fairly easy to integrate the insight debugger into gedit somehow or at least integrate gdb and insight's design/commands??07:41
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TheMusoc08:35
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dholbachgood morning09:08
_ionadequate morning09:08
fabbionemorning09:08
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joejaxxits 3am here09:10
joejaxxeveryone in the us is sleep lol09:11
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ograseb128, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400662 :-D09:18
UbugtuGnome bug 400662 in gnome-power-manager "please add ubuntu patch to upstream source" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]  09:18
ograthat was the last patch apart from LTSP :)09:18
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seb128ogra: nice, and did you forward the crasher?09:19
ograyep09:20
ograseb128, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400654 ... ours is linked to it09:21
UbugtuGnome bug 400654 in general "segfault on ppc architecture since upgrade to 2.17.90" [Critical,Unconfirmed]  09:21
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RiddellMithrandir: can you give back kdeutils and kdeartwork please?09:26
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MithrandirRiddell: given-back09:34
pitticjwatson: I reviewed the xubuntu-system-tools diff for bug 59946, I'd like to approve the -proposed upload; is that ok for you?09:35
UbugtuMalone bug 59946 in xubuntu-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5994609:35
cjwatsonpitti: yes09:38
cjwatsonI approved it too09:38
pitticjwatson: mvo's new app-install-data for proposed is trivial (capitalizations of the Eula), I'll approve that09:40
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cjwatsonpitti: ok09:42
cjwatsonsladen: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment09:46
ografabbione, BenC ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yaboot/+bug/81589 10:01
UbugtuMalone bug 81589 in yaboot "iMac G3 Keyboard and ramdisk load problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  10:01
fabbionepitti, cjwatson: 8159810:03
Mithrandiriwj: we're supposed to discuss grub 2 at some time, prod me when you have time.10:03
fabbionepitti, cjwatson: and I have the uploads ready 10:04
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pittibug 8159810:04
UbugtuMalone bug 81598 in lvm2 "[SRU]  lvm2 check if device is md is broken on big endian machines" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8159810:04
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sfllawpitti: Ping?10:19
sfllawpitti: Bug 59946?10:19
UbugtuMalone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5994610:19
pittisfllaw: yes?10:19
sfllawDid you accept Gauvain's patch to edgy-updates?!?10:19
pittisfllaw: no, to -proposed10:20
sfllawPhew.  OK.10:20
pittisfllaw: sorry if I typo'ed in the bug report10:20
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fabbionepitti: bug #81125 (SRU for dapper)10:26
UbugtuMalone bug 81125 in glibc "libc6 update for Edgy fails due to sanity check" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8112510:26
tkamppeter__doko, ping10:29
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cypher1i am getting little dissatisfied with Ubuntu's uptime :(10:32
ogradont shut it down then :)10:32
cypher1ogra, :) by uptime i meant the time interval between a reboot.. not booting time :)10:33
ograi know what uptime is ...10:33
cypher1ogra, sorry..10:33
ograogra@aleph:~$ uptime10:34
ogra 10:34:34 up 384 days, 15:54,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.0010:34
cypher1ogra, hah.. thats cool10:34
cypher1my sys crawls after 3 days10:34
cypher1ogra, can FF be a reason ?10:35
ogramight be, but this is not a suport channel ...10:35
ografile a bug if you thin it's worth one ...10:35
ogra*think10:36
cypher1ok thanks10:36
ograseb128, 10:38
ogra# Add translation domain to .desktop file10:38
ograecho 'X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=dia' >> debian/dia-gnome/usr/share/applications/dia.desktop10:38
ogra/bin/sh: cannot create debian/dia-gnome/usr/share/applications/dia.desktop: Directory nonexistent10:38
ogramake: *** [install-stamp]  Error 210:38
ogra:((((10:38
mvocjwatson: could you please have a look at the SRU proposal for bug  #81428?10:38
seb128ogra: did you move the .desktop to the dia package?10:38
UbugtuMalone bug 81428 in app-install-data-commercial "sugarcrm needs update of app-install-data-commercial and a synaptic fix" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8142810:38
seb128ogra: or did they rename it?10:38
ograi have a dia.desktop.in.in10:38
seb128ogra: find debian -name "*.desktop"10:38
ograin the source10:38
BenCAnyone willing to performa a test for me?10:39
BenCcat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies10:39
seb128ogra: what about the find?10:39
BenCdo this on edgy kernel and feisty kernel and tell me if they are the same or not?10:39
ogranope10:39
BenCmdz: ^^10:39
seb128BenC: 10:39
seb128$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies10:39
seb1281500000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 60000010:39
seb128oh10:39
ograogra@edubuntu:~/packages/dia-0.96-pre3$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies10:39
ogra1600000 800000 10:39
BenCseb128: .17 or .20?10:39
seb128will try on edgy in a few min10:39
seb128that's .2010:39
ograhere too10:39
BenCok10:39
seb128I also have .17 on feisty and edgy on my laptop10:40
seb128which one do you want?10:40
cypher1BenC, in edgy 1733000 1333000 1067000 80000010:40
ograseb128, but the packaing is based on our last package ...10:42
ogra(i made it fro the new tar.gz)10:42
ogra*from10:42
seb128ogra: what does that find print?10:43
ogranothing as i said ...10:43
ograthere is no .desktop file we ship in the debian dir10:43
ograwe have an upstream .desktop.in.in file in the source which i would have expected to be installed10:44
ograogra@edubuntu:~/packages/dia-0.96-pre3$ grep applications debian/*10:44
ogradebian/dia-gnome.files:usr/share/applications10:44
ogradebian/rules:   echo 'X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=dia' >> debian/dia-gnome/usr/share/applications/dia.desktop10:44
ograand dia-gnome should install it 10:44
mdzpitti: ping10:44
seb128ogra: well, the question is to know if the "make install" does install a .deskop10:45
seb128desktop10:45
ograyep10:45
seb128if it does the find command should print it10:45
seb128make install is made to debian/tmp10:45
dholbachmdz: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Launchpad/Guide10:45
seb128the find is to run after build10:45
dholbachmdz: I just searched for 'ubuntu-universe-sponsors'10:46
ograah, sorry, i ran it on the clean source 10:46
dholbachit looks a bit confused though10:46
mdzdholbach: all your docs are belong to SponsorshipProcess10:46
seb128ogra: np, could you try again after build? ;)10:46
ograyep10:46
ogracopying to a new dir ...10:46
dholbachmdz: looking10:47
seb128brb10:47
mdzdholbach: soon10:47
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mvoBenC: freq is the same on my machien on edgy and feisty10:52
BenCmvo: thanks10:52
mvocheers10:52
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seb128BenC: 10:58
seb128on feisty: 1500000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 60000010:58
seb128on edgy: 600000 800000 1000000 1200000 1400000 150000010:58
BenCseb128: Ok, so the same, just reversed for sysfs show...thanks10:59
seb128right, np10:59
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ograseb128, hmm, not even /usr/share/applications :(11:08
ograbut the .desktop file is in the source dir after the build11:08
seb128ogra: add a cp to debian/rules and bug upstream about it 11:09
ograyeah11:09
ogratats what i'm currently doing ... but it's odd ... i see the code to copy it to $datadir in the makefile ...11:10
ogra(applicationsDATA_INSTALL) "$$d$$p" "$(DESTDIR)$(applicationsdir)/$$f"; ....11:11
seb128ugly :p11:12
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ograand not working apparently :)11:16
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ograit doesnt even get installed for the dia package11:17
ogranot only dia-gnome 11:17
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ograRiddell, again !11:21
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dokotkamppeter__: pong11:42
tkamppeter__doko, have you seen the mail from Henrique about HPLIP 1.7.1?11:50
dokotkamppeter__: yes11:51
dokotkamppeter__: just prepare hplip packages for ubuntu then11:51
tkamppeter__doko, is there something special I have to know about when packaging HPLIP? For now I have only synchronized fromm Debian.11:52
tkamppeter__Especially HPLIP is heavily patched because the Python directories are moved to other places.11:53
dokotkamppeter__: no, just take the packaging; the only thing hmh does is to rerun the auto tools; maybe you can ask him to checkin the 1.7.1 sources, so that the same upstream tarball can be shared.11:54
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mdzdholbach: there seems to be no link from MOTU to MOTU/FAQ12:12
dholbachmdz: fixed12:13
mdzthanks!12:13
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dholbachcjwatson: inheritance of clues is working now - once somebody reviews it, it'll be in bughelper.main (ubiquity could inherit from partman, ... then, and a '-v1' would find all the inherited clues on the "first level", and so on)12:16
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cjwatsonmvo: updated 8142812:21
cjwatsondholbach: neat, thanks12:22
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cjwatsonRiddell: MOTU/Packages/Packaging/Kubuntu has a link to http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff which is a dead link; could you update that?12:44
Riddellcjwatson: done12:46
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incorrectare all packages in ubuntu from debian or are some of ubuntu's teams creation?12:48
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bhaleincorrect: some only exist in ubuntu12:49
bhaleor are changed between debian and ubuntu12:49
incorrectdoes ubuntu do anything different to debian in the way they use dpkg?12:50
bhalecould you be more specific?12:50
bhalenot really12:50
bhalewe added a Breaks: command12:50
bhalewhich i think might be in Debian now12:51
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ograluunch01:08
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incorrecti am working on packaging snmp 5.4 has i have run into issues with the stock release01:12
incorrecti am just looking at what the easiest way would be to drop the updated source code into a package01:12
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seb128non-debug backtraces are pretty much empty at the moment with feisty, does anybody has an idea of what could be causing that?02:07
seb128usually you have function names, atm most of them are "??"02:07
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siretartenrico: any news about some new python-debian upload? I didn't notice anything on the mailing list02:09
mdzseb128: dholbach says that /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/active_plugins must have 'decoration' in the list, but mine only has [gconf] 02:11
seb128mdz: right, looks like there is some problem with desktop-effects since the compiz 0.3.6 update02:12
seb128I've grabbed the new desktop-effects from fedora just before the sprint, might still have a bug to fix though02:12
seb128it's on my list of things to look at02:12
seb128unset the key with gconf-editor to go back to the schemas default list02:13
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dokoMithrandir: until when should the iso testing be done?02:30
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Mithrandirdoko: just ignore that mail for now. :-)02:36
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sfllawpitti: For bug 81428, can you set things to Fix Confirmed when you accept things into -proposed?02:49
UbugtuMalone bug 81428 in synaptic "sugarcrm needs update of app-install-data-commercial and a synaptic fix" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8142802:49
pittisfllaw: didn't I? sorry02:52
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pittisfllaw: ah, that was a misunderstanding; I set it back02:53
sfllawThanks.02:53
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seb128is there an easy way to test if a bug is a pam one?03:22
seb128like https://launchpad.net/bugs/8155903:22
UbugtuMalone bug 81559 in gdm "15 character password limit in GNOME login" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  03:22
Mithrandirseb128: try if it works from the console, using login?03:23
Mithrandirmy password is > 15 chars, though03:24
seb128a 20 chars password works fine on my laptop as well03:25
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saispoanyone work on ubuntu-installer, i have a question about repository inclusion, i try to include universe, but not working...03:32
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cjwatsonsaispo: preseed 'd-i apt-setup/universe boolean true'03:38
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cjwatsonsaispo: the Canonical distro team is at a work sprint in Oslo at the moment, so please don't get too impatient if it takes a while to get answers this week03:39
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newz2000Hey, how prominent should the DVD releases be on the download page?03:41
newz2000Do we want to encourage people to get those, or would we rather them get the CDs?03:41
ogranewz2000, thats rather a question for elmo :)03:42
newz2000ogra: because of bandwidth/mirror issues?03:43
ograyep03:43
ograDVDs are significantly bigger03:43
newz2000well, Znarl and I were discussing it and were curious how the devs felt about supporting the DVD release03:43
ograand often not mirrored03:43
Znarlogra : Besides bandwidth/mirror issues, is there any other reason users should be discouraged from downloading DVDs?03:44
ograpromoting them would put more load on the DC03:44
Mithrandirnewz2000: they're supported, but clients have trouble downloading them, they're about 8x bigger than a CD image, etc so I don't think we want to promote them very much.03:44
cjwatsonogra: if the sysadmins are happy with that, it's their decision. I'm sure Znarl is competent to judge03:44
cjwatsonthe other problem with DVDs is that they aren't tested very well03:44
newz2000cjwatson: that's the key point03:45
MithrandirZnarl: some clients aren't able to download files bigger than 2GB.03:45
cjwatsonwe build them because they're frequently requested, and they're useful as physically-portable package archives if nothing else (as well as installation images)03:45
ograwell, i'm surely the wrong person to ask here, i'm fighting to keep CDs for edubuntu users  ... my userbase sits in countrys where you only get bad dialup bandwith and often no DVD writers03:45
ogra(often not even readers)03:45
newz2000So for best user experience, the CD is the choice, because the DVDs are not as rigorously tested (and downloading/burning them is more difficult)03:46
newz2000?? (that was a question)03:46
cjwatsondefinitely03:46
ograright03:46
newz2000ok, that's good to know. If that changes, would someone tell me? I'm going to de-emphasize the download DVD links03:47
ZnarlAnyone want to guess when that may change in the future?  When the DVDs will become more popular?03:47
fabbioneZnarl: when Canonical will ship free HD-DVD and Blueray burners to everybody? ;)03:47
newz2000fabbione: OK, well, I think I"m going to need one of those for testing purposes... also a HD LCD TV.03:48
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zulfabbione: soon i hope :)03:48
ZnarlRight now mirrors are discouraged from mirroring DVDs, there's no rsync modules for it, no instructions.  Just thinking if that may need to change in future.03:49
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Mithrandirfabbione: they're a bit expensive still, but not that bad.   About 650.03:53
seb128kwwii: gtk-icon-sizes="panel-menu=16,16:panel=16,16:gtk-menu=16,16:gtk-large-toolbar=16,16:gtk-button=16,16"03:53
seb128kwwii: to copy to .gtkrc-2.0, workaround for your toolbar icon problem, let me know if that works for you03:54
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Mezcjwatson, is there a ML (or central email) for the CC?03:59
elmoMez: community-council@lists.ubuntu.com04:00
Mezelmo, cheers04:00
cypher1seb128, can you pls again tell me the email address i have to notify if i am interested in working a particular spec04:03
seb128cypher1: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com04:04
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Mezseb128, surely -discuss ?04:05
cypher1seb128, thanks04:05
Mezcypher1, that should be ubuntu-devel-discuss I think (unless you're an ubuntu dev already ? )04:05
cypher1Mez, i am new to ubuntu devel04:05
Mezcypher1, then it'll be ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com04:06
cypher1Mez, i will sent to -discuss.. thanks04:06
kwwiiseb128: apparently not :-(04:06
seb128Mez: works fine for me with gedit by example04:07
seb128Mez: if you want to work on a spec better to mail ubuntu-devel04:07
Mezseb128, but surely - if it's a read only list ?04:08
seb128Mez: that's not notice devels you are working on, not to discuss between contributor04:08
seb128Mez: no, or people could not post on it04:08
seb128that's a moderated list04:08
Mezseb128,that's what I meant. ..04:08
Mithrandirstuff is moderated through once in a while, though04:08
cypher1i sent to ubuntu-devel-discuss.. hope its ok..04:09
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kwwiiseb128: it does seem to make some icons smaller, but not all icons in a toolbar in one program04:09
fabbioneMithrandir: yeah... well.. still too pricy for my wallet04:09
MezMithrandir, ah ... lol - I thought it was aruto-rejected ;)04:09
Mithrandirfabbione: you get free DVD burners if you buy a hot dog or fries in a shop. though.04:10
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TreenaksI've only been waiting since breezy :P04:11
fabbioneMithrandir: "can I have a BigMac DVD Menu please with big fries and 2 cheese burgers?"04:11
Mithrandirfabbione: yes, just about it.04:11
fabbioneheh04:11
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ograTreenaks, and then your life would be so empty ... nothing to complain about ... we cant be that evil :)04:13
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jdongcan a kind archive admin clear backports NEW queue please? if it's already been done, sorry in advance for the noise04:14
Treenaksogra: but it's a LaptopTestingTeam laptop! :)04:15
ograTreenaks, so you can go on to test it eternally, isnt that great ! ;)04:16
Treenaksogra: But.. but... :'(04:17
Treenaks;)04:17
ogra(i totally agree btw ... new X drivers would be nice)04:17
Treenaksogra: #20283 if you care ;)04:17
ograi think i looked at it plenty of times :)04:17
Treenaks*kicks bot* bug 2028304:17
UbugtuMalone bug 20283 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "[fgl v5000]  really bad sync" [Unknown,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2028304:17
gnomefreakare we keeping xorg at the version it is for feisty? i figured X updates would have happened already i only saw a couple of X merges04:18
ograi'd love ati 3D support for my ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M .... but you simply cant have everything 04:18
Treenaksogra: I just want it to set its modes properly.. the rest is OK already :)04:19
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sfllawRiddell: Got any time?04:20
Riddellsfllaw: always for you04:20
fabbionegnomefreak: you are welcome to merge the packages....04:20
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gnomefreakfabbione: wish i could i never got the hang of merging. i just wasnt sure if we were keeping it the same :(04:21
Mithrandirsfllaw: nag, nag.  When can I get my bug texts?04:21
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bddebianheya04:36
saispocjwatson: ok, thanks for the information04:44
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sfllawMithrandir: Where's my libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.1 in dapper-proposed?04:49
fabbionesfllaw: being removed... that's not the one you need to check04:49
fabbioneyou want 20.3 that's building04:49
sfllawThat's what I mean.04:49
fabbioneit's building..04:50
crimsunseb128: Is it feasible for us to update libgpod to 0.4.2? (changes noted at http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=67873&release_id=478662 )04:53
seb128crimsun: it's planned and on my TODO, there is a bug comment about it already, just lot to do, I'll look at that04:54
crimsunseb128: ok, thanks, just wanted to prevent duplication of effort :-)04:54
seb128np04:54
bdmurraycr3: bug 77835 was not associated with a package.  I set it to the kernel, linux-source-2.6.20 as the system was having trouble rebooting.04:54
UbugtuMalone bug 77835 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Feisty Herd 1 installation hangs on reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7783504:54
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lifelessdholbach: - 04:57
lifelesstree.branch.repository.get_revision(tree.last_revision()).timestamp04:57
dholbachlifeless: ROCK!04:59
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sfllawpitti: Bug 59946 is ready for upload to edgy-updates.05:09
UbugtuMalone bug 59946 in gnome-system-tools "Admin tools require admin group membership" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5994605:09
sfllawpitti: I will notify the #xubuntu guys.05:10
cjwatsonjdong: I did it this morning after seeing your earlier request; I think you weren't around at the time or I'd have told you, or maybe I just forgot05:10
jdongcjwatson: ah, ok, I just noticed the packages arriving. Thanks!05:10
cjwatsonbdmurray: yeah, the kernel has some fixups for reboot quirks in particular hardware05:11
cjwatsonprobably just needs a bit of extension05:11
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bdmurraycjwatson: that was with Herd 1 would it be different in Herd 2?05:13
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cjwatsonbdmurray: probably not particularly05:16
jdongwhen is Keybuk around usually?05:16
jdongor anyone else who can discuss readahead-list05:17
cjwatsonbdmurray: I doubt it's changed much; I added a note to the bug asking for the information you usually need for this particular problem05:17
jdong"apparent" GNOME startup speed greatly benefits from a 2nd readahead consisting of the login sequence at the end of the bootup05:17
cjwatson(output of dmidecode, and try reboot=b to see if that fixes it)05:17
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jdongIMO it's benefitial if we do a idle-priority readahead of the GNOME stuff needed to login05:18
cjwatsonjdong: he might be around next week; he had to leave a day or two ago05:19
jdongok05:19
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mdzsfllaw: your opinion on bug 81692?05:22
UbugtuMalone bug 81692 in malone "Display team emblem on bugs from project contributors" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8169205:22
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sfllawHold on, Firefox is stalled.05:23
sfllawInstalling epiphany.05:23
sfllawmdz: I think there is merit to this request.05:24
sfllawDo we display all emblems?  Or just a selected list?05:24
cjwatsonmdz: how about the bugzilla.gnome.org points system? that's essentially analogous to log(karma)05:24
cjwatsonand is explicitly intended to serve a similar function05:24
sfllawcjwatson: That's a fair assessment.05:31
sfllawcjwatson: That way, it's not exclusive to developers.05:31
sfllawIf only there were some actions that would decrease someone's karma...05:32
Mithrandirsfllaw: don't we have a bunch of people who're not developers but still members of teams?05:32
sfllawMithrandir: Well yes.  But which teams are useful ones to display?05:33
sfllawDo we have to maintain this list?05:33
sfllawI don't object, but that sounds like annoying work that we'd forget to do.05:33
Mithrandirthe only risk I see with putting all of them there is some people will create bogus teams to get more emblems.05:34
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seb128the log(karma) idea looks like a good one05:34
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cjwatsonsfllaw: "waiting"05:36
cjwatsonkarma should be displayed as log(karma) anyway05:36
cjwatsonif it is already, it should be displayed as log(log(karma))05:37
Treenaks( karma mod max(karma).. just to annoy people ;) )05:38
mdzcjwatson: I think that teams offer us the chance to do much better than a questionable quantitative guess05:38
mdzsfllaw: in my proposal, I said that only teams which were relevant to the product or distro context made sense to display05:38
sfllawmdz: I have no objection to either scheme.05:38
mdzso e.g., ubuntu-qa, ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev in our case05:38
sfllawmdz: Perhaps _both_ would be useful to some degree.05:38
mdzall of which I think would be very helpful05:38
seb128well, team give one information05:38
seb128there is a difference of competence and activity between qa people though05:38
saispohi seb128 :)05:39
mdzI don't think activity means much05:39
mdzin terms of this proposal05:39
seb128right05:39
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seb128the point system is complementary05:39
mdzagreed05:39
Mithrandirin some cases, other teams might be relevant, like if answer a backport or sync request, I do it as a member of ubuntu-archive.05:39
mdzMithrandir: that's one that is (or will be?) tied to the distro in launchpad as well05:40
Mithrandirmdz: ok, I misread your list as an exhaustive list.  When it wasn't, disregard my comment.05:40
jdongis there anyone here who deals with ia64....05:40
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jdong  libsmjs-dev: Depends: libmozjs-dev but it is not going to be installed05:41
jdong^^ a buildd spewed that back at me...05:41
mdzMithrandir: you and simon both did; I wonder if I should rewrite it more clearly05:41
Mithrandirjdong: looking05:41
mdzI added punctuation05:41
jdongMithrandir: apparently it's because xulrunner FTBFS'ed on ia6405:41
jdongMithrandir: is it possible to initiate a rebuild once that situation is corrected without having to reupload?05:42
jdongonly ia64 is affected, all the important arches built fine :D05:42
Mithrandirjdong: yes, it's called a give-back05:42
jdonghow does the whole give-back thing work?05:43
Mithrandirjdong: I click a button, the buildd tries to build the package again.05:44
jdongMithrandir: ha cool :D magical05:44
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cjwatsonmdz: bugzilla.gnome.org has stuff like (points: 5) and (developer, points: 27) which I think is the sort of level of information we should be aiming for05:44
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Mithrandiranything which is in dep-wait state gets retried automatically, anything which ftbfs-ed because of uninstallability needs to be given-back by hand.05:45
Mithrandironce in a while, we give-back everything and hope it works itself out.05:45
cjwatsonmdz: because in addition to whether they're a developer or not, it's useful to know if somebody is an experienced bug reporter or somebody who just showed up05:45
mdzcjwatson: right.  the 'developer' part of that is simple in Launchpad, while the points are not :-)05:45
jdongMithrandir: out of curiousity how long does it take to rebuild everything :)05:46
cjwatsonsure it is, we have something that's essentially identical to the points thing05:46
Mithrandirjdong: a full archive rebuild is about a week, iirc.05:46
mdzcjwatson: karma is so not what we want!05:46
cjwatsonthe units are just bonkers, but they can be converted by simple mathematics05:46
cjwatsonkarma is only wrong because it's so massive, surely05:46
elmocjwatson: no it also has bad bias problems05:46
jdongMithrandir: wow; has that been done yet given the DT_GNU_HASH thing probably needs a rebuild to take effect?05:46
elmocjwatson: the support and spec tracker are massively overweighted in particular05:46
elmoMithrandir: that's main05:47
elmowell that's main with one buildd per arch - we don't have recent (if any) figures for a full archive rebuild05:47
Mithrandirelmo: oh, ok.05:47
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elmojdong: and we don't rebuild the world on demand because it breaks mirrors and makes our users hate us05:48
Mithrandirelmo: I thought it was roughly what our rebuild tests took.05:48
jdongprobably from changing statuses on backports tickets05:48
elmoMithrandir: we only rebuild test main05:48
jdongelmo: I can imagine :)05:48
cjwatsonelmo: true05:48
Mithrandirelmo: ok.  I imagined we did *, but apparently not.05:48
cjwatsonI guess we can always click through to the karma if we care05:48
cjwatson(talked with mdz offline)05:48
jdongbut is everything in feisty to be rebuilt for dt_gnu_hash?05:49
cjwatsonno05:49
jdongor has the important stuff already been handled :)05:49
cjwatsonthere have been various proposals for a rebuild for certain gcc problems05:49
cjwatson*if* a rebuild happens at all, it'll be because of that, not for extra features05:49
jdongMithrandir: can you also try to shed some light on why my avidemux ftbfs'ed on 3 arches?05:50
jdonghttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avidemux/1:2.3.0-0.0ubuntu205:50
jdongI cannot reproduce the error in a pbuilder05:50
jdongand it seems to have breezed past that step on two pbuilders05:50
jdongarches*05:50
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Mithrandiria64, same problem05:51
jdongyeah, but i386 puzzled me the most05:51
pittimvo: debdiff looks good, bug 8142905:52
UbugtuMalone bug 81429 in app-install-data-commercial "Please verify opera and realplayer on edgy-proposed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8142905:52
jdongmv: cannot stat `t-es.gmo': No such file or directory05:52
jdongthose kind of errors, that is05:52
jdongand why they didn't happen on the other arches or inside my pbuilders05:52
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mvopitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates05:53
Mithrandirjdong: amd64 and i386 failure modes are the same.  Unsure what the underlying cause is from just looking at the build log05:53
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kylemhttp://librarian.launchpad.net/5900582/10_radeon_fix_agp_fastwrite.diff heh05:58
LaserJockcjwatson and mdz: the Ubuntu Packaging Guide also is a good resource for UbuntuDevelopment05:59
mdzLaserJock: can you follow up by email to the list?  I'm packing up here05:59
LaserJockk06:00
gpocentekpitti: thanks for the x-s-t upload06:00
mdzthanks06:00
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pittigpocentek: your're welcome; thanks for the fast preparation and testing06:03
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gpocentek:)06:03
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millikeescook: I don't see that CVE-2007-0493 and CVE-2007-0494 are available on cve.mitre.org yet...  has it only been pre-released to vendors?06:16
millilamont: stop telling everybody how to exploit HP's name servers!  ;-)06:17
lamontmilli: ssssshhhhhH!!!!!06:17
keescookmilli: yeah, that came from through the vendor contacts, but they'll be public when they show up.  I'm not sure how quickly the CVE lists are updated.06:17
millikeescook: then I assume CERT is going to produce something shortly too.06:18
elmothose CVEs are public06:19
elmoI saw them on NISTs RSS FEED06:19
elmoerr, 'feed' even06:19
millielmo: k, ty.  They are not posted nor searchable on cve.mitre.org yet.06:20
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jdongMithrandir: would you be ok with trying a rebuild and see if the failure is consistent?06:52
jdongMithrandir: I am at a loss as to why that happens... I must be losing my sanity06:53
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jdongnixternal: don't make me post a reiser4 howto on the wiki based on my tinkering yesterday!06:56
nixternalhaha, watch it now, Reiser is in court these days, so I might be very well frightened06:56
jdongnixternal: the machine was named wifenpieces06:57
nixternalhahahaha06:57
nixternaljdong: and that isn't German06:57
jdongnixternal: wifenpiecen06:58
zulthe reiser jokes are getting lame :)06:59
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jdongzul: I know... I don't make that many anymore07:05
jdongzul: so when will feisty have reiser4 patch? :D07:05
jdong(ok, that reiser joke is still not old)07:06
zuljdong: never07:06
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jdongzul: haha :)07:06
zuljdong: you think im kidding07:08
jdongzul: I don't think you're kidding.07:08
jdongis there a command-line option for pbuilder for passing arguments to pbuilder-satisfydepends.pl?07:09
jdong(me is looking for a way to trigger bypassing version checking on build-deps)07:09
jdongnvm, found it07:11
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zulhey ajmitch 07:12
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loolHi there, I wonder whether Ubuntu folks looked into the weird .desktop file "vulnerability" where one can trick nautilus into displaying a .desktop file as a regular image and launch anything: <https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=238503> (seen on freedesktop's xdg)07:57
loolIt seems this is a very old bug which doesn't affect Xfce nor KDE, and I don't think it was fixed in GNOME at all07:58
keescooklool: I haven't read the bug yet, but I'll look into it.07:58
loolkeescook: Great; the thing is I don't know where to start07:59
loolkeescook: The discussion on xdg brings a couple of interesting points, thread08:00
loolargh08:00
lool<http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2007-January/thread.html#9150>08:00
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keescooklool: I'd agree, that's a security problem.  I'll track it; thanks for the heads-up.08:04
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juliuxhi08:30
juliuxis it a knowing bug that the feisty isos are not working on core duo pcs?08:30
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juliuxhttp://www.transtec.de/D/D/products/personal_computer/pc/mini_pc.html?mod=prod&name=SY600MTA45-A this is the pc i test it08:46
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siretartis there somewhere an howto howto debug usplash scripts? e.g. how to start usplash manually in a booted system?09:12
sladen'usplash'09:13
siretartsladen: it complains on a missing /dev/fb0. how to create that?09:14
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juliuxhi siretart 09:15
siretarthuhu juliux 09:15
sladensiretart: wah.  Do you not have a framebuffer?09:15
juliuxsiretart, very strange errors here with feisty on a intel core duo09:15
siretartsladen: this is on amd64, and in principle, usplash works for me09:16
siretartjuliux: huch?09:19
juliuxsiretart, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/81720 09:19
UbugtuMalone bug 81720 in linux-source-2.6.20 "edubuntu feisty install iso not working on intel core duo cpu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  09:19
juliuxsiretart, it is the computer we get for free for the expos09:20
siretartjuliux: oh, that's bad09:20
siretartjuliux: who's sponsoring?09:20
juliuxsiretart, transtec;)09:20
juliuxsiretart, also two thinclients09:20
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siretartjuliux: cool09:21
juliuxsiretart, and i will use this also as a testing system for edubuntu09:21
siretartsladen: oh, on my laptop, it works. seems that nvidia09:21
siretartis interfereing09:21
siretartjuliux: bad that it doesn't boot :(09:22
juliuxsiretart, i will try a upgrade from edgy09:22
davmor2siretart there is a big bug in 64bit with nvidia cards :(09:24
siretartdavmor2: do you have a bugno for reading about it?09:25
davmor2hang on I'll get it09:26
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davmor2siretart Bug 32389 is one09:28
UbugtuMalone bug 32389 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17 "[upstream]  nvidia-glx doesn't restore state on NV35/NV36 cards. Causes random mess on screen or system hang." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3238909:28
davmor2Bug 56587 is two09:29
UbugtuMalone bug 56587 in usplash "[edgy]  usplash segfaults" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5658709:29
siretartsladen: okay, usplash works in principle now, I can use PROGRESS to set to progress bar. any idea why usplash_write "TEXT foo" doesn't print foo for me?09:30
davmor2you kinda get the drift anyway.  I personally got onto nvidia about it and they now have it listed as an official bug with their developers but it's if or when they do something about it09:30
siretartdavmor2: thanks09:32
siretartdavmor2: but I doubt this is my problem. here it seems there isn't a /dev/fb009:33
davmor2siretart there are others and it effects more than just the nv35/36 cards but I can't remeber which exactly.09:33
davmor2siretart that's right dev/fb0 is the framebuffer that is screwy with these cards in 64bit but not 32bit try a 32 bit live it'll work fine 64bit though and it throws it's dummy out the pram :)09:34
Chipzzdavmor2: no offence meant, but a little punctuation wouldn't hurt you ;)09:36
siretartdavmor2: interesting...09:36
jlawlerDoes anyone know of an easy way to do remote package management (preferably on multiple simultaneous computers)?09:37
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siretartdavmor2: I'm currently rather trying to fix cryptsetup with usplash. working on my laptop now :/09:37
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LaserJockjlawler: ssh? :-)09:38
siretartjlawler: clusterssh, cfengine, puppet, choose your poison ;)09:38
davmor2chipzz:  Dyslexia means I spend most of my time spell checking, forgive me if my lack of reading means my grammer goes to pot.  I tend to write as it is in my head which means it makes sense to me, sorry.09:39
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davmor2Thank god for in-line spell checking :)09:42
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jlawlerAight, the reason I asked about remote package management is because I have been thinking about what it would take to roll out and actively administer >100 ubuntu desktops.  It seems like there are more than a few tools that are missing to facilitate this, and I was trying to figure out what I'm missing.09:42
jlawlerI don't know if puppet or cfengine will quite meet my requirements09:43
siretartjlawler: for managing cluster > 100 nodes, you'll have more problems than just installing packages. have a look at the cfengine tutorials09:44
siretartjlawler: we're using it at our university for managing the students computers (about 120 debian nodes, I think)09:45
jlawlersiretart:  I hadn't seen cfengine before, and I'm planning on taking a look at it.  The reason I'm bringing this up in -devel is I'm debating writing a new program to tackle this.  However, I don't want to reinvent the wheel...09:46
torkeljlawler: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/09:48
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jlawlertorkel:  does fai handle updating specific packages, or does it require you to reimage an entire node?09:51
enricosiretart: I got a private reply: the guy that knows things better is in vacation until sunday09:53
torkeljlawler: they have something called softupdate, though I never tried it so I don't know how well it works09:54
enricosiretart: I could go on myself but I'd prefer to wait for him, since I don't know very well what are the news with the other modules in the pakcage09:54
jlawlerSo does this seem like a redundant piece of software, or something that would fill a genuine need?09:55
siretartenrico: okay.09:55
siretartenrico: I'd love to have a usable bzr-builddeb, so perhaps I'd have to upload some preprelease. I need to talk with james about that09:56
Chipzzdavmor2: oh, my apologies. didn't know. never mind I said that then.09:56
juliuxsiretart, with a upgrade from edgy to herd2 the system boots09:56
enricosiretart: I'd love to have it around as well09:56
siretartjuliux: yay. installer broken! :(09:57
enricosiretart: lately I keep producing nice cool things that need that package09:57
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siretartenrico: in debian, the problem is rather the package stuck in NEW, and a too old bzr in unstable09:57
siretartenrico: wow. nice to hear :)09:57
enricosiretart: Just blogging a new one now09:58
davmor2chipzz: it's okay it doesn't bother me.  It's not till some one points it out that I realise I've done it.  In my head I see the punctuation but it doesn't always get transferred from my head.  No biggy though.09:58
juliuxsiretart, so package is debian-installer?09:59
siretartjuliux: most probably not, but I'm not sure how to diagnose the problem. do you know where it actually hangs?10:00
juliuxsiretart, after the keyboard decetion the installer loads some drivers and then is hangs up10:00
siretartjuliux: via alternate or via live installer?10:01
juliuxsiretart, install cd from edubuntu10:01
siretartjuliux: then I'd file against debian-installer. colin can reassign it if necessary10:01
juliuxsiretart, thxs10:01
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siretarthow to flush the keyboard input buffer from a shell script, suitable for early userspace?10:11
siretartcan I use stty for this?10:11
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whadarwhat tool do you use for feisty to monitor file access?11:03
exobuzzis there any plan to make knetworkconf profiles actually work for feisty? they were broken on edgy and still seem broken on feisty https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeadmin/+bug/7378811:04
UbugtuMalone bug 73788 in kdeadmin "Network profiles completely broken" [Undecided,Confirmed]  11:04
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pochuwhat do you think about bug 81751?11:57
UbugtuMalone bug 81751 in ekiga "remove ekiga from default ubuntu-installation" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8175111:57
pochuIt talks about changind defautls (changing a program)11:57
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cacinever used it, but isn't it supposed to be a premier app on the gnome desktop11:58
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Amaranthpochu: can telepathy do SIP?12:10
pochuAmaranth: SIP?12:10
Amaranthhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol12:11
Amaranthstandard VoIP stuff12:11
dsasAmaranth: I don't know if it does it yet, but I think Nokia were sponsoring hacking on it.12:11
Amaranthtelepathy is the end goal but it's not quite ready yet12:11
pochuAmaranth: so I leave the bug open, right?12:12

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