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| pwnguin | so how does one use the kernel in the topic? | 06:43 |
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| tepsipakki | kylem: the new kernel in dapper-proposed works fine with the new tg3 that we have tested, thanks! | 10:23 |
| kylem | excellent. i'm glad to hear that. | 10:24 |
| tepsipakki | only problem is that I can't install the machine all the way using that kernel, since d-i doesn't know how to fetch stuff from both dapper and dapper-proposed :) | 10:25 |
| tepsipakki | but, waiting for the official version | 10:25 |
| kylem | you should be able to chroot into the install target and install the kernel from apt just after installing bootloader and just before rebooting. | 10:26 |
| fabbione | hem | 10:26 |
| fabbione | the installer is NOT supposed to fetch from -proposed | 10:26 |
| fabbione | but it does fetch from -updates once the fix is propagated | 10:26 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: exactly, but the kernel-udebs are there | 10:27 |
| fabbione | they are only in the pool | 10:27 |
| fabbione | but not in the Packages files | 10:27 |
| fabbione | (for dapper and -updateS) | 10:27 |
| tepsipakki | it does, however, manage to get network up, which is the point | 10:27 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: ah! | 10:27 |
| kylem | i don't think new kernels should go into -updates without extensive *extensive* testing. | 10:27 |
| kylem | or possibly ever, i'm not really sure what we're going to do with them. the idea seems to be using -proposed to vet patches for merging, not to propogate. | 10:30 |
| tepsipakki | kylem: that's cool, tg3 is fine for merging :) | 10:31 |
| tepsipakki | fabbione: if the udebs are not in Packages, how did I manage to build d-i with -proposed? | 10:32 |
| tepsipakki | or does it matter | 10:33 |
| fabbione | tepsipakki: you can build it manually if you have -proposed in your sources.list | 10:33 |
| fabbione | but it won't fetch udebs from proposed at install time IIRC | 10:33 |
| tepsipakki | yep, ok | 10:34 |
| kylem | tepsipakki, what was the bug # for that? have you posted the results to the bug? | 10:35 |
| tepsipakki | kylem: not yet. let me find it | 10:35 |
| kylem | ok, thanks. | 10:35 |
| tepsipakki | https://launchpad.net/bugs/72696 | 10:36 |
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| kylem | BenC, http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/processor.html for the description between acpi P/C/T states. | 11:48 |
| BenC | kylem: thanks | 11:54 |
| mjg59 | http://madwifi.org/browser/branches/dadwifi-openhal - win | 11:54 |
| mjg59 | kylem: You've got an Atheros, right? Fancy giving that a go? | 11:55 |
| kylem | it's back in ottawa and only in minipci form, i'd need to take apart the laptop. | 11:56 |
| kylem | i have the new atheros in my macbook though. | 11:56 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 11:56 |
| BenC | mjg59: sweet | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | That's what I was thinking of | 11:57 |
| kylem | ok. | 11:57 |
| kylem | that's hot. | 11:57 |
| mjg59 | I've got an Atheros somewhere here that wasn't supported with the last version of madwifi I tested | 11:57 |
| BenC | I've got access to a laptop with an atheros that doesn't work with 0.9.2 either | 11:57 |
| thom | mjg59: doesn't look like that has the pci ids for the core 2 duo MBP atheros part at least :/ | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | thom: Easy to add | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | At least with openhal, we have /some/ chance of being able to get something working | 11:58 |
| kylem | the MBP atheros needs a new HAL. | 11:58 |
| mjg59 | Does it need a new HAL, or does it need new IDs adding to the existing code? | 11:59 |
| thom | mjg59: new HAL | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | Oh! | 11:59 |
| kylem | i think a new hal. | 11:59 |
| thom | mjg59: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001 | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | Rip it out of the macos X driver | 11:59 |
| mjg59 | It's madwifi based | 11:59 |
| kylem | hmm. not a bad idea. | 11:59 |
| thom | mjg59: ORLY? nice | 11:59 |
| === kylem is wondering how much trouble it would be to add ipw3945 support to OS X. | ||
| kylem | so i can just replace the damned card entirely. :) | 12:00 |
| mjg59 | Or try hacking up openhal | 12:00 |
| mjg59 | I suspect that it's not actually that different | 12:00 |
| === kylem wonders what would be more work | ||
| kylem | adding ipw3945 to macos, or making power management in linux not suck. | 12:01 |
| Mithrandir | the former, so you should do the latter. | 12:02 |
| gnomefreak | does dapper have an xen kernel? | 12:02 |
| kylem | Mithrandir, heh. :) | 12:02 |
| BenC | gnomefreak: nope | 12:03 |
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| BenC | mjg59: I think mine needed new hal...I added the ID's to current madwifi and it just crashed | 12:03 |
| gnomefreak | BenC: we got people wanting a libc6-xen for dapper's existing version of glibc and they were told not gonna be backported and they dont understand why | 12:04 |
| BenC | gnomefreak: Because dapper can't run as a xen guest would be my best answer | 12:04 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Right, the current hal will refuse to run on them | 12:04 |
| gnomefreak | k | 12:05 |
| mjg59 | That doesn't necessarily mean that there are significant differences | 12:05 |
| BenC | and if they are compiling their own domU kernels, they can compiler their own libc6 too :) | 12:05 |
| tepsipakki | hrm, my feisty-desktop is resetting the sata-port constantly when under load, should I blame the hardware or something else? | 12:05 |
| kylem | mjg59, i'll go fetch my macbook from my hotel room after lunch and try to rip out the hal. | 12:05 |
| Mithrandir | gnomefreak: because feisty has a completely different glibc version and we don't backport core libraries. | 12:05 |
| gnomefreak | they were told that ;) | 12:06 |
| mjg59 | kylem: Hm. Though reading that bug, I'm not sure what's going on. | 12:06 |
| mjg59 | Apple may have changed to a new driver design. | 12:06 |
| Mithrandir | yes, and I didn't see a response signifying that they didn't understand why glibc would not be backported. | 12:06 |
| mjg59 | Certainly older versions gave identical hal errors to Linux if you tried to run on an unsupported card | 12:06 |
| gnomefreak | Mithrandir: came back with just the xen patches to create a libc6-xen for dapper's existing version of glibc | 12:07 |
| kylem | mjg59, i toss binutils at it and see what sticks. | 12:07 |
| gnomefreak | either way it means backporting core libs | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | gnomefreak: then that'd not be a backport, but a stable release update. I doubt we would accept an update for such a core package to support functionality not in dapper. | 12:08 |
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| tepsipakki | it's normal that 2.6.17 won't boot on feisty? I'd like to debug the sata_sil reset thingie more.. | 01:05 |
| tepsipakki | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/3/144 | 01:07 |
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| kylem | gentoo users are muppets | 04:37 |
| kylem | The Core2Duo is an improved Pentium 4 with 64 bit extensions (x86-64). Thus with GCC 4.1 the nocona architecture is the one to use in 32 bit mode: | 04:37 |
| kylem | CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" | 04:37 |
| kylem | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=nocona -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe" | 04:37 |
| kylem | (news at 11, i suppose) | 04:37 |
| mjg59 | Oh dear. | 04:37 |
| thom | *boggle* | 04:38 |
| zul | er..ok | 04:39 |
| Mithrandir | they should use -pipe -pipe -pipe for better optimisations. | 04:39 |
| kylem | if they'd just used x86-64, they wouldn't need -fomit-frame-pointer and get debuggability /and/ more registers still... | 04:40 |
| kylem | not to mention just how wrong using a pentium4 instruction scheduler in core2 is | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | They've confused Core2 and Pentium D | 04:40 |
| mjg59 | The fact that Intel released two entirely different series of dual-core 64 bit CPUs probably didn't help | 04:40 |
| kylem | only one of them was actually worth buying. | 04:41 |
| mjg59 | Well, yeah | 04:41 |
| kylem | groo. | 04:49 |
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| zul | BenC: uploaded and emailed | 08:44 |
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