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PriceChildLjL, You're just not good enough... I expect you to know everything going on inside their minds as well as their OS!12:36
ompaulPriceChild, you are not good enough you gave away useful information in that12:37
ompaul:P12:37
maxamillionPriceChild: j012:37
LjLompaul: is that sarcasm?12:38
PriceChildhey maxamillion :)12:38
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ompaulLjL, kind of, more like a double dose of irony, washed down with a tinge of what is the world coming to12:39
LjLdarn12:39
PriceChildtonyyarusso, Hey no fair! - You got on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6288119.stm and I didn't :(12:40
LjLif you ask how you can force an fsck on reboot, and i give you the !fsck factoid, you can see for yourself that it tells you how to do that. it may be wrong about it, what do i know, but it does12:40
tonyyarussoPriceChild: Were you after they closed requests?  They might still be processing.  Mez made it too.12:40
gnomefreakwhen did we make a flash plugin for 64 bit :(12:41
PriceChildtonyyarusso, No I submitted a few days ago12:41
tonyyarussoPriceChild: odd12:41
tonyyarussognomefreak: we did?12:41
PriceChildThey obviously didn't like mine :)12:41
gnomefreakwhat a bug reporter said12:41
gnomefreakim gonna ping crimsun and ask i think12:41
gnomefreaklibflash-mozplugin + libflash0c2 is what hes saying runs on 64bit12:43
gnomefreakthey seem to both be in universe12:44
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Amaranthgnomefreak: not adobe flash01:16
Amaranthgnomefreak: and not very good01:16
gnomefreakso its one of those things that dont work really either01:22
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maddashgah, I assumed that he left b/c he had no idea of why pasting was wrong01:51
LjLmaddash: it's just not productive to talk about operator actions in #ubuntu, which is why there is this channel01:51
LjLmaddash: maybe he had no idea of anything that happened01:52
LjLmaddash: but at any rate, my primary concern is that the channel doesn't get flooded01:52
LjLmaddash: so since he still hadn't finished pasting apparently, i muted him01:52
maddashno, I'm not saying the mute was wrong...it wasn't....01:52
LjLmaddash: i sent him a !paste factoid in a private query too, though01:52
maddashoh! nvm everything, then01:52
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LjLtonyyarusso: [02:26:24]  <tommckay> i didn't see humour being banned anywhere. (private query - redirected here)02:26
tonyyarussoLjL: Part of a general crackdown on language after I started hilighting things and saw how bad it is.  Welcome to come here for follow-up if desired.02:28
LjLtonyyarusso: i know i was going to kick him too for that matter, just i opted for the "ahum"02:29
LjLnot sure why he queried me and not you02:29
tonyyarussono idea02:29
LjLsure enough the n-words sets up enough highlights on us...02:29
tonyyarussoeww, I have 42 hilights now :P02:30
LjLtonyyarusso: oh i definitely beat you, let me count02:31
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somerville32lol02:31
LjLtonyyarusso: 10602:32
somerville32Crazy02:32
tonyyarussonice02:32
LjLnot really, i just am too lazy to remove the ones i don't need anymore02:32
LjLit's not like they're all "dangerous" words, most of them are hostmasks02:32
tonyyarussoa lot of mine are too02:33
tonyyarussoI added some coolness to the auto_sev_bleh script to add a hostmask hilight for anyone I take action against.02:33
=== Seeker` has a list of "bad" words and their variants somewhere
LjLtonyyarusso: i'm much more do-it-yourself with konversation ;\02:34
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: can you post it somewhere? i didnt know you knew perl02:36
tonyyarussognomefreak: I don't.  ;)  I guessed.  I have some other things I want to try - I'll probably post it if I succeed.02:38
tonyyarussognomefreak: I want to add auto-op for topic changes and ban-remove kinds of things, as well as scanning the chanserv.py to see if there are other things I should try to translate.02:41
gnomefreakk02:41
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somerville32Xchat's already supports that ;] 02:49
LjL!blacklist02:51
ubotuTo blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list02:51
LjL!no blacklist is <reply> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type "sudo update-initramfs -u"02:51
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL02:51
LjL!modules is <alias> blacklist02:51
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL02:51
tonyyarussosomerville32: Well yeah, hence looking at the script to see what's in there.02:54
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Hobbseeyay :)03:35
Hobbseeany new developments or blow ups?03:35
tonyyarussoNot that I know of03:36
Hobbseeoh good03:36
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Hobbseetwo legit messages thunderbird thinks is spam03:36
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somerville32Jenda, unfortunately, blew up today due to spontaneous combustion. We will miss her.03:36
tonyyarussoWell, Rhythmbox apparently won't start, but hey03:36
Hobbseeah, one is asking for mroe ops at the council03:37
Hobbseeoh?03:37
Hobbseebah.  you didnt want it to start anyway03:37
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somerville32It's a ghost!03:37
Hobbseeargh!  a ghost!!!03:56
tonyyarussowooooowoooooooooooooo03:57
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somerville32hehe03:58
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tonyyarussoSmall doses somerville32 - it comes along, just very slowly04:02
Kamping_Kaiserdont drop to many at once or you'll melt the keyboards crust :)04:03
somerville32;] 04:04
Kamping_Kaiser;)04:05
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Kamping_Kaisereek!04:08
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Hobbseetonyyarusso: i'm no longer picless person on planet now.  or wotn be, soon06:01
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tonyyarussoHobbsee: yay!06:07
tonyyarussoNow I just need to figure out what on earth I'm doing with my blog and get on there.06:07
Hobbseehehe06:07
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elkbuntunalioth, ping06:30
naliothelkbuntu: pong06:30
elkbuntu /e17/bin/edje_cc: Error. unable to load image for image "brushed.png" part entry to ../../data/init/default.edj. Missing PNG or JPEG loader modules for Evas or file does not exist, or is not readable.06:30
elkbuntuneither tony nor i had a clue06:31
elkbuntuso i left it as that about 1am and went to bed06:31
elkbuntucare to rejoin that crazily named channel?06:31
naliothinvite me, please06:32
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tonyyarussoserves you right :P06:33
mneptokheh. more Dvorak users?06:37
Hobbseehey mneptok06:37
mneptokpyfgcrl, dudes06:37
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mneptokfighting the good fight, Hobbsnose?06:39
Hobbseenah06:39
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somerville32Hobbsee, has minions to do her fighting06:40
mneptokbut ... class struggle is the defining characteristic of human endeavor!06:40
Hobbseesomerville32: exactly.06:40
mneptokor is that microwave popcorn?06:40
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somerville32Hobbsee is root. She has sudo power.06:41
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=== Hobbsee put poison in all the kettles, FYI...
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somerville32hehe06:45
somerville32I wrote my own mudlib from scratch06:45
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=== Hobbsee is glad she doesnt do phone support
Hobbseehttp://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/20489780.html06:48
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somerville32lmao06:50
HobbseeJucato: yes....about how retail sucks?06:51
Kamping_Kaiserhehe @ link06:51
JucatoHobbsee: anything! :)06:51
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, i forgot you had a blog06:52
HobbseeJucato: hehe06:52
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tonyy_on_kdeSweet06:53
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Hobbseemneptok: heh06:53
mneptoki roll like that.06:53
tonyy_on_kdeOrvvvw br, ,dayZ06:53
mneptokqjkxbmwvz!06:54
tonyy_on_kdeYday eceb-y mat. abf o.bo. mb.lyrt06:54
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tonyy_on_kdeann pcidy ann pcidyvvv06:55
tonyy_on_kdeHi Hobbsee06:55
Kamping_KaiserHobbsee, you cant, tony's on kde ;)06:55
tonyy_on_kdeTrue enough06:56
mneptoktonyy_on_kde: http://gigliwood.com/abcd/06:56
tonyy_on_kdeTony is arso on Dvoraj afaun06:56
tonyy_on_kdeThat arbont wocjed06:57
tonyy_on_kdewow...06:57
HobbseeKDE is perfectly sensible to run.06:58
Kamping_Kaiserhehe. thats what they all say :)06:58
mneptoki wish KDE had more apps that began with K. like GNOME and G.06:59
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mneptokgnOuch!07:01
Hobbseelol07:26
tonyyarussoCan you imagine what real life would be like with scrollback?  You could tell a joke to Bill in the coffeeshop, and Jane would laugh when she saw you on the bus two days later.07:29
DBOtonyyarusso, sounds like my life all the time07:30
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naliothlovely router07:44
mneptoktonyyarusso: unless Jane dematerialized from the bus due to lag07:45
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tonyyarussoDarn you DBO !!  You're two characters quicker than me.09:52
DBO=P09:52
DBOif it werent for frogzoo I would not have seen it09:52
tonyyarussoAh.  Gotta love the hilights.09:52
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GazzaKawww10:29
popeynot heard that one for a while10:29
mneptoknot to put too fine a point on it, say i'm the only bee in your bonnet.10:31
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tonyyarusso!away | Mez10:37
ubotuMez: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines10:37
tonyyarusso:P10:38
GazzaKnow if he responds to that, can we all laugh?10:39
mneptokno.10:40
mneptokhilarity is not allowed.10:40
GazzaKoh, sorry10:41
GazzaKi'll go stand in the corner10:41
mneptokthat's hilarious. now i shall ban you.10:43
GazzaKbully11:40
tonyyarussoslooooowwwwwwest comeback EVER11:40
Kamping_Kaisertonyyarusso, its insde the 1 hour rule ;)11:41
tonyyarussoKamping_Kaiser: true.  barely11:41
Kamping_Kaisertehehe11:42
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tonyyarussoelkbuntu: you heard of OPTUS, as an ISP?11:44
elkbuntutonyyarusso, heh, they're one of the bigger ones11:44
Kamping_Kaiser2nd infact ;)11:44
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: Just thought I'd let you know their uptime is astounding.11:45
Kamping_Kaisertonyyarusso, what do you mean?11:45
GazzaKtonyyarusso, on purpose :p11:45
tonyyarussoWell see, there's a nick on freenode that would be convenient for me to have, since it's my system login and therefore default nick with any new IRC clients that I try.  It's registered, but the registrant hasn't used it in a long, long time, so I thought I'd grab it.  Thing is though, that someone else other than the registrant is using it.11:47
tonyyarussoMy plan was to just wait until they got off and take it when they were done, and I set up a supybot to do that.  But, it's been a couple of weeks now and they're still on - didn't anticipate that one :S11:48
GazzaKkick them off?11:49
Kamping_Kaisertonyyarusso, thats their pc/client/shell being up  long time ;) i'd (personally) expect any isp to have connections that long11:49
tonyyarussoKamping_Kaiser: I suppose11:49
tonyyarussoGazzaK: I have neither the means nor the desire to do that :)11:49
Kamping_Kaisertonyyarusso, my mates are on dynamic ips - our isp hasnt changed our ips so long their dyndns accoutns got deleted :|11:50
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GazzaKdo it mneptok it's enteraining11:51
tonyyarussohaha11:51
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apokryphoswhy is the locobot logging #xubuntu?12:34
gnomefreaknot sure12:35
jendaprod smurf12:35
jendaBTW, I muted or banned Mez out of 3 channels, till he turns off public away.12:36
apokryphosyeah, perhaps when he's around12:36
tonyyarussocrud.  I'm at the LP bugs page and can't remember the bug I'm reporting...12:36
tonyyarussojenda: okay12:36
apokryphosjenda: why not just tell him next time he's around? I'm sure he'll comply ;-)12:36
jendaapokryphos: because he isn't around now :)12:36
tonyyarussoI sent him !away as well12:37
jendaand I don't know how may times he might go away till I get a chance to tell him.12:37
apokryphosjenda: but surely the next offence can only happen after he's back? :P12:37
jendaand a mute is a decent way to tell him, anyway ;)12:37
tonyyarussoIf anybody has a moment, add some thoughts to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas please.12:37
jendaapokryphos: but I mightn't be here.12:37
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jendaright - -classroom is one of those channels.12:37
apokryphosjenda: memos are good :P12:38
jendaSorry Mez :) will be unmuted ASAP.12:38
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: define launchpad12:40
gnomefreakon the ideas page12:40
jendadefine?12:40
tonyyarussognomefreak: Good call.  I think some LP folks actually just put together an introduction piece, so I'll look up who that was and see if they can do a shindig.12:41
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: i just added bug traige12:41
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gnomefreakbecause LP is a little general12:41
tonyyarussognomefreak: Are you willing to teach it as well by any chance?12:41
gnomefreakyes12:42
gnomefreakofcourse ;)12:42
tonyyarussoSweet12:42
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gnomefreaklol12:42
tonyyarussoAdd your name next to it then?12:42
gnomefreakk12:42
gnomefreakdone :)12:43
tonyyarusso:)12:43
=== jenda wondes if he could stuff a marketing session in there somewhere...
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PriceChild:P12:45
gnomefreakjenda: i would say yes unless its a *bump* (for lack of bettter words) for the team12:45
gnomefreakohhhhhhh12:45
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: lets volenteer PriceChild for a beryl/desktop effects class :)12:46
jendagnomefreak: I'd have to think about the content.12:46
gnomefreaki think having one would be good/usfull12:46
tonyyarussojenda: Yes, you could.12:46
PriceChildgnomefreak, Only if they're running Edgy + Nvidia/intel... I'm not having anything else ;)12:46
jendatonyyarusso: 'pends on if there's enough to say :)12:46
gnomefreakPriceChild: would you be willing to12:46
=== PriceChild has managed to help someone get going on a S3 savage before though which I was shocked at....
gnomefreakPriceChild: tahts fine since dapper and beryl really shouldnt be12:47
PriceChildYeah I'd be willing of course12:47
=== PriceChild could also steal that image from jenda :P
jendatonyyarusso: so far, I can think of tips on branding in artwork (which overlies the artwork session), and how you can participate in Ubuntu even if you are no good at coding or translations.12:47
tonyyarussojenda: Oh, there's plenty.  I'd suggest doing a joint with somerville32 if possibly.  You could talk about say three easy ways to get started on marketing (making a CD display, whatever), and Cody could brief them on how the UWN process works.12:47
jendaPriceChild: which image12:47
gnomefreakseeing as everyone is either running or wants to run beryl i think that class would kick class12:47
jendaPriceChild: the beryl chart-thing?12:47
jendacool12:48
PriceChildjenda, the one explaining aiglx+xgl etc. and what you need etc.12:48
PriceChildyeah12:48
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tonyyarussoPriceChild: Even if it's just general stuff - not so much user support as "what the heck is all of this?" it would be good.  Add the topic and your name to the page if you can.12:48
PriceChildYeah sure :)12:48
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: when are you looking at starting these classes?12:49
tonyyarussoI want to get a pretty complete schedule going soon for at least the first third of 2007, and since it's already the end of January...12:49
tonyyarussognomefreak: ASAP, probably on an every-other-weekend basis.12:49
tonyyarussoWe were doing them semi-regularly, but dropped the ball a bit on administration.12:50
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: just let me know a bit in advance. (im tring to clean up alot of work)12:50
tonyyarussognomefreak: Of course.  I'll give you more than the three hours I got for mine.  :P  (instructor on the schedule was a no-show)12:51
gnomefreakbefore mine i would do the LP calls and membership at the very least.12:51
gnomefreakclasses not calls12:51
gnomefreakbugs == big help on membership apps. and would help if they new LP before trying12:52
tonyyarussoThey'll probably happen in two sorts of steps, restarting from the ground-level stuff following Feisty release, to bring in the new users we get with that.12:52
jendaPriceChild: would it make no sense at all if I made it look like Xorg sits on top of AIGLX?12:54
PriceChildNot really....12:54
PriceChildIt would make slightly more sense the other way round...12:54
jendaok - I'll let you switch it if you feel like it, it's .odg12:55
PriceChildBut still, seen as we're dealing with edgy only we don't really need a separate bit :P12:55
PriceChildOk :)12:55
jendabut I'll put it as I said, because it fits better graphically, with Xorg sitting on top of nVidia.12:55
PriceChildhehe :)12:56
jendawhat did that last thing mean?12:56
PriceChildnevermind :)12:56
jendaok12:56
jenda:)12:56
jendaPriceChild: diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg01:17
jendaknock yourself out ;)01:17
jendaor... tell me if you like it that way, I'll replace it with a .png.01:18
PriceChildwoo ty :)01:18
tonyyarussosilly people who don't put protocols on their URLs...01:18
jendaThat way, you can link directly to it during the sessions01:18
jendatonyyarusso: sorry http://diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg01:18
tonyyarussomuch better :)01:18
PriceChildtonyyarusso, +1 - I had to highlight and middle click and everything :O01:18
jendatonyyarusso: I actually typed that by hand :)01:18
jendalazy people ;)01:19
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jendawuzzat?01:19
jendaoh, BTW, let's move to #ubuntu-nun01:19
jendait's ot here.01:19
tonyyarussoAgreed01:19
Kamping_Kaisersorry for being anal retentive, but !linux, first character, should be capitalised ;) <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core)...etc01:38
tonyyarusso!linux01:38
ubotulinux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux01:38
tonyyarusso!-linux01:38
ubotulinux has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 16:35:4801:38
tonyyarussoAh, that's why.01:38
tonyyarussoubotu: no, linux is <reply> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux01:39
ubotuI'll remember that, tonyyarusso01:39
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tonyyarussoKamping_Kaiser: :)01:39
Kamping_Kaiserty :)01:40
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=== tonyyarusso notes that reasons go on /removes, not on /bans....
jendacheck02:20
tonyyarussoI hope commenting in the bantracker's fixed02:21
Seeker`why is the <reply> neccessary?02:31
Seeker`when using ubotu?02:32
Seeker`what else can it do?02:32
jendaI think that makes the difference between "Linux is the kernel..." and "For more info about linux..."02:32
jendawhich would (without <reply>) say "Linux is For more info about Linux..."02:33
jendaie. <reply> removes the "<factoid> is" from the reply...02:33
tonyyarussowithout reply it says whateverthenameofthefactoidis is such and such02:33
jendaBut that's a guess.02:33
tonyyarussoFactoid names are lowercase.02:33
jendaooh :)02:33
jendagood guess :)02:33
tonyyarussoTo get Suchandsuch is, you need a <reply>02:33
jendaSuchandsuch sounds like a town in Germany.02:34
tonyyarussoYou're thinking of Suchtachtzuckt02:34
jenda02:36
jendaActually, I can't claim to have been thinking at all.02:36
tonyyarussothat too02:36
ubotuIn ubotu, apokryphos said: forget bar02:44
Jucatoheh :)02:44
tonyyarussoapokryphos: But then the priests and rabbis will walk into it all over again!02:44
apokryphosI don't think it coincidence that it's me more than anyone else ;-)02:44
apokryphosit might be worth starting an OnConnect event to identify myself with ubotu, considering the amount of times it's happened 8)02:45
Jucato:P02:45
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gnomefreak:( everyone is thinking and i reached my thinking limit for the week02:48
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gnomefreakwell everyone but jenda :)02:48
gnomefreakbtw tonyyarusso im wondering (not thinking) if your issue can be caused by the kernel snd module02:49
gnomefreakif it only happens on reboot02:49
tonyyarussognomefreak: I don't have the foggiest idea.  That level of things is well beyond my current expertise.02:49
tonyyarussoIf you have thoughts, add a comment to the bug and we'll see what crimsun says.02:49
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gnomefreakif i see him i will check with him and one of us will add comments tto it :)02:50
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Lapfunchi.  i appear to have been shunted to #ubuntu-read-topic even though i am not vulnerable to said exploit.  any idea why?03:01
tonyyarussoLapfunc: /join ##tonyyarusso please to confirm03:02
Lapfuncdone03:03
tonyyarussoLapfunc: All set in #ubuntu03:05
Mezjenda: ping03:06
Lapfunccheers tony03:07
Lapfunc:)03:07
Meznalioth: ping03:08
tonyyarussoMez: This about your mutes, or a staff-y thing?03:09
Meza bit of both03:09
tonyyarussoah03:09
Mezone for each :P03:09
Mezjenda -> mutes (WTF?)03:10
Mezand nalioth -> channel contacts03:10
Mezs/contacts/access03:10
tonyyarussoMez: Didn't you see your scrollback about the mutes?03:10
gnomefreakMez: away messages are not to be used03:10
gnomefreak!away03:10
ubotuPlease don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines03:10
Mez!slap people because it was an accident03:10
gnomefreakMez: he didnt know that im sure03:11
MezI accidentally typed /ame instead of /me03:11
tonyyarussoMez: hehe - we have no way to know that ;)03:11
apokryphos%lart mez03:11
apokryphos@Lart mez03:11
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tonyyarussoI've seen that before - you should change that command.03:11
Mez* Mez -> bed03:11
Mez<pusling> Mez: thanks for telling in a gazillion channels ;)03:11
Mez<Mez> pusling, accidental /ame03:11
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=== Mez uses /me -> bed when he's trying to tell someone he's in the iddle of a convo that he's going to bed
gnomefreakif its that important the users that would need those type of answers will know to check /whois03:12
Mezgnomefreak, its sort ofa "night people - I'm off" thing03:13
Mezffs03:13
Mezso where am i muted?03:13
gnomefreakthat would be jenda but i thought he removed the mute in -classroom not sure how many other channels he muted you in03:14
tonyyarussoWe can find out :)03:14
MezI unmuted myself in -classroom03:14
Mezwhich is why I'm pingng nalioth, as I shoulda have some access other than ubuntu/member/* in there03:15
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: is there a /wherethehellismezmuted command?03:15
apokryphosMez: no point if you still actually have access :P03:15
tonyyarussognomefreak: Well, no.  Bantracker + grep was my plan03:15
Mezapokryphos, well I dont agree with an access mask like that for there to be honest03:16
gnomefreakMez: it was changed to that because nun isnt the only ones that use that channnel anymore03:16
apokryphosMez: it was there when we had the open day, when any random ubuntu member might need ops03:16
tonyyarussoMez: gnomefreak: It was mostly for Open Week, so people like Jono would have access.03:16
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Mezgnomefreak, since UOW - have they used it ?03:16
apokryphosMez: though it's caused no issues since leaving it there03:16
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: i know but i thought it was decided to hold more things there03:17
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Mezapokryphos, there havent been classes yet ... I'm sure there'll be some disruption at some point03:17
tonyyarussognomefreak: I don't know that it was even discussed, but that's just me03:17
Mezwhich is why I'd prefer specific access03:17
apokryphosMez: there were loads of classes in openweek03:18
gnomefreakMez: you have access03:18
apokryphosMez: it's been like that for months and there's been no disruption. Considering the channel, no reason to think that really.03:18
Mezgnomefreak, access through my cloak only03:18
apokryphosMez: just like most other ops in there03:19
ubotuIn ubotu, IdleOne said: Noobuntu is here is a list of common/helpfull links: !mp3 !dvd !repos !ati !java !X please refer to these links by typing /msg ubotu !tigger i.e /msg ubotu mp303:19
tonyyarussoYou have to identify to get access anyway, and identifying gets you your cloak, right?03:19
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=== tonyyarusso mispeels smoething too
Mez1) i was actually going to remove a n access mask from there03:20
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tonyyarussoThat list _does_ need some work of some sort.03:20
tonyyarussoIt has ompaul as the channel owner.03:21
apokryphostonyyarusso: nope, it's nalioth03:21
Meztonyyarusso, nope - ompaul registered, nalith is channel contact03:21
tonyyarussoapokryphos: wait, nvm, you're right03:21
tonyyarussoHe just was 30 so I assumed03:21
apokryphosyeah03:21
Meznalioth as a rep of nun I believe was the contact03:21
LjLwhat is the matter anyway, all ubuntu members having access?03:22
tonyyarussoWe need to discuss issues of NUN leadership more anyway - I left him a scrollback about that a few hours ago03:22
LjLi say if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it hasn't proved to be broken to my knowledge03:22
tonyyarussoProbably none, I would think.03:23
Meztonyyarusso, then lets hit -nun03:23
Mezgnomefreak, please unban me from -marketing03:23
gnomefreakMez: im not in marketing03:23
Mezgnomefreak, but you're an op03:24
gnomefreakMez: i never banned you from there that i can remember03:24
apokryphosjenda did03:24
gnomefreakjenda: i unbanned Mez from -marketing03:25
gnomefreakMez: i did it but for future reffernce the person set the ban removes it03:26
LjLSeveas: ping see #ubuntu03:26
apokryphosgnomefreak: in this case it was only a ban to escape Mez's away message, I believe03:26
gnomefreakapokryphos: im wasnt in there so i dont know why it was set but i assumed that was the reason03:27
LjL[15:26:37]  <zoli2k> These conditions I did not find in ubuntu irc rules. I don't understand why ubotu is not limited then only for IM. I don't think that displeasing IRC users in such way is compatible with the philosophy of ubuntu. Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this.03:27
LjLprivate message - banned from #ubuntu, redirected here03:27
gnomefreakgoodie ;)03:28
tonyyarussowheeee03:29
tonyyarussoAnd um, aren't they in our rules somewhere?03:29
LjLcourse they are, they're in !msg the bot, which i had sent to him03:29
Jucatohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines ??03:29
gnomefreakJucato: should be in there03:30
gnomefreakbut if not they should be03:30
LjLyes it's there too, i don't care anyway, you don't stalk me that way if i set a 2-minutes mute *after* giving you the factoid03:30
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gnomefreakJucato: they should be there03:31
tonyyarussothey're at the bottom - what's wrong with having them together?03:31
MezI dont think "bot abuse" is reason for a ban03:31
Meza /remove, maybe03:31
Jucatoso that we could easily add more things to it without making that page longer than it already is03:31
Mezbut not a ban unless persistent (after a warning)03:31
tonyyarussoLjL: Careful with words here ("stalk").03:31
LjLMez: which is just what happened03:32
gnomefreakMez: bot abuse was the reason for the mute not the ban03:32
Jucatospecially in light of an upcoming meeting03:32
LjLok03:32
LjLPLEASE look at what happened before commenting things03:32
LjL1) he asked two bot factoids 2) i gave him !msgthebot 3) he asked a third 4) i muted him for two minutes, saying so and explaining why 5) i unmuted him 6) he gave me that remark in a PM 7) i banned him03:32
tonyyarussoJucato: Ah.  Might make sense.  I guess we'll have to see what the length looks like.  Personally, I think it's kind of nice that everyone sees what we expect of ourselves too.03:33
LjLanyway, i also explicitly invited him to join here, and he didn't. so point moot.03:33
MezLjL, then I disagree with the ban03:33
LjLMez: ask him to come here and appeal it then03:33
tonyyarussoMez: (Do that in PM first please, per our earlier discussion)03:33
Mezhe /msg'd you - fair enough - did he carry on ausing the bot ?03:33
Jucatotonyyarusso: true. but I somehow have a feeling that the section is going to become longer in the coming days/weeks :D03:33
Meztonyyarusso, ?? It was bought up in here03:33
tonyyarussoJucato: I suspect you're right ;)03:33
LjLMez: no. "asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this" qualifies as a clear statement that he is going to do it again, *and* disregards operator suggestions03:34
tonyyarussoMez: I know - but that's one of the things we've been talking about trying to avoid.03:34
MezLjL, not to me - the only thing that qualifies as a statement they're going to do it again is doing it again03:34
LjLthen we disagree03:35
MezI agree ;)03:35
Mezooh, penlight03:40
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LjLhi zoli2k03:46
zoli2kHi03:46
LjLzoli2k: look, the problem here is - you weren't supposed to know about correct bot usage in advance, that's for sure03:46
LjLzoli2k: in fact, the first thing i did was let you know that the bot should be used in private when you're just enquiring with it03:47
zoli2kYes, but you blocked me immediately after your first warning03:47
LjLzoli2k, well no, after my warning, you asked for a *third* bot factoid03:47
LjLzoli2k: it appeared as you had ignored the warning03:47
LjLzoli2k: and, no, asking 3 questions is not "flooding", but flooding isn't the *only* thing that's bad for the channel03:48
zoli2kcan I paste here the last message to the bot? 4-5 lines03:48
zoli2kmy last question to bot was:03:48
zoli2k(15:18:27) zoli2k: !windowmanager03:48
LjLzoli2k: also, you understand that stating that "Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this." makes me assume that you're going to make up your own rules and not respect the estabilished ones, hence the ban03:49
zoli2kI received your warning after this:03:49
zoli2k(15:18:32) LjL: !msg the bot > zoli2k03:49
gnomefreakif anyone needs me ill be talking to ubotu for a while trying to figure some things out.03:49
LjL[15:17:54]  <LjL> !msg the bot > zoli2k03:49
LjL[15:17:57]  <-- painkiler has left this server (Connection timed out).03:49
LjL[15:18:12]  <zoli2k> !windowmanager03:49
LjLeither your connection is very lagged, zoli2k...03:49
zoli2kI can send you a screenshot from my gaim, probably you don't belive I can edit them so quick.03:50
LjLzoli2k, there is no need, i can take your word about it.03:51
LjLzoli2k, i'll just ask you if you are, generally speaking, willing to use the channel in a way that doesn't clash with the CoC and guidelines, and whatever operators suggest is best03:51
Mezgnomefreak, it's great how AI can help us all out nowadays03:51
zoli2kLjL: http://158.197.33.91/~kuscsik/Screenshot.png03:52
gnomefreakAI?03:53
LjLit's ok zoli2k, i was willing to believe you on that in any case03:53
zoli2kLjL: Of course, I will accept your rules. My suggestion is only to block the bot only for IM. I used it in general discussion because others do it.03:54
LjLzoli2k, no - you're mistaken about it03:54
LjLzoli2k: it's perfectly fine to use the bot in the channel03:54
LjLzoli2k: *as long as* you're using it to give help to somebody else, *and* you know what factoids to call03:55
LjLzoli2k: if you need it 1) for yourself or 2) to experiment with it or 3) you don't know what factoid to use, then you should do it in private or in #ubuntu-bots03:55
LjLUbotu, tell zoli2k about bot | zoli2k, see the private message from Ubotu03:56
LjLthis will also be useful i think03:56
Mezis there a mailing list for the CC?03:57
tonyyarussothere's a something03:59
Meztonyyarusso, i just want to CC them regarding this Classroom stuff03:59
tonyyarussoMez: community-council@lists.ubuntu.com is listed on the web site04:00
MezI couldnt find it on the website, but James just poked me in the right direction04:01
gnomefreakit may not be listed because of the crap that would be put there/or ML spammers04:02
tonyyarussoIt's not in the list on lists.ubunt.com, but it is on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council04:03
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ubotuIn ubotu, frogzoo said: no audio is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Audacious, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs04:46
LjL!audio04:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:46
LjL!players04:46
ubotuAudio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs04:46
Mez!msg the bot > LjL04:46
LjLhmm, not sure if !audio should be alias !sound or !players04:46
Mez:P04:46
LjLMez, i do it here in purpose... :)04:46
Mezhence the :P04:46
LjLjust "documenting" what i change04:46
ubotuIn ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs04:47
Mezis there a factoid to tell him about programming?04:47
ubotuIn ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads04:47
LjLprogramming?04:47
LjL!audacious is <reply> A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads04:48
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL04:48
LjL!audio is <alias> sound04:49
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL04:49
Mez!editfactoid is <reply> Hi there! As we have had a few issues of abuse, all factoid edits are forwarded to the op team for review and addition. Your factoids will show up soon if they are accepted04:49
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez04:49
Mez!editfactoid > frogzoo04:49
LjLMez: oh but they already get notified that it's being forwarded to #ubuntu-ops04:49
tonyyarussoMez: The bot tells them that already.04:49
Mezoh, I didnt know that04:50
Mez!forget editfactoid04:50
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez04:50
LjL!unidentify04:50
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about unidentify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:50
LjL!test is a test04:50
ubotuIn #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !test is a test04:50
LjL[16:50:44]  <ubotu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail04:50
MezLjL, I cant unidentify ;)04:51
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Mez@lart LjL04:51
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LjLMez, i used the wrong command anyway04:51
Mez@lasrt add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who04:51
Mez@lart add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who04:51
Mez@lart 35 me04:51
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Mez;)04:52
tonyyarussounidentify?  Why?04:52
LjLtonyyarusso: to check out the message ubotu would send me on trying to add a factoid..04:52
tonyyarussoah04:52
gnomefreak.win 104:52
Mezgnomefreak, lol04:52
tonyyarussoLjL: what about identify -nick pw?04:53
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LjLtonyyarusso, don't know, but unidentify does work04:53
LjLjust not with a ! in front of it04:53
tonyyarussoah04:53
tonyyarussoRight, it won't let you do that stuff in channel04:53
Mezyou got to love it when your mother arrives at your house, out of the blue, with a weeks work of shopping with her for you04:53
Meztonyyarusso, acutally it will04:53
LjL%unidentify04:53
ubotuOK  If you remain recognized after giving this command, you're being recognized by hostmask, rather than by password.  You must remove whatever hostmask is causing you to be recognized in order not to be recognized.04:53
tonyyarussoMez: eh?  Mine won't.04:54
Mezbut ubotu doesnt respond to ! :P04:54
MezIt responds to %04:54
Mezas above ;)04:54
tonyyarussoah, duh04:54
LjLanyway i forgot about frogzoo's edits now04:56
LjL!sound04:56
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin04:56
LjL!no sound is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP304:56
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL04:56
Mez!sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP305:00
LjLdo we want Audacious in the list of players, since it's not in the official repos, even though it's packaged?05:00
ubotuI'll remember that, Mez05:00
tonyyarussodoubt it.  They should be apt-gettable05:00
LjLi tend to agree05:00
LjLMez: careful :P05:01
LjL!search sound05:01
ubotuFound: sound,sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts,ni ripping,youtube sound,audioediting,esd,soundblaster,sound-#kubuntu,audio,ripping05:01
LjL!forget sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts05:02
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL05:02
LjL!sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP305:02
ubotusound-#kubuntu is already known05:02
LjL!no sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP305:02
ubotuI'll remember that, LjL05:02
Mezwhoops05:03
LjL@lart Ubtu for not spotting typos05:04
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somerville32I just noticed that LoCo bot is in #xubuntu and #ubuntu-bugs05:24
somerville32I get the following on join:05:24
somerville32-LoCoBot_2- #xubuntu: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!05:24
somerville32-LoCoBot_2- #ubuntu-bugs: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!05:24
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KennethP I've been redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic. I've changed my port to 8001 and wonder how I then will be able to join #ubuntu not carrying and contamination with me...?05:44
KennethP*any05:45
LjLKennethP: i can test you if you don't mind05:45
KennethPsure go ahead05:45
KennethPThanks!05:45
LjLKennethP: thank you for your patience05:46
KennethPand thanks for the Invite! ttyl05:47
apokryphossomerville32: already reported in #ubuntu-locoteams05:47
apokryphoswaiting around for smurf05:48
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tonyyarussoLjL: Are you testing with /notice06:04
tonyyarusso?06:04
LjLtonyyarusso: uh?06:05
tonyyarussoLjL: Oh, never mind.06:05
tonyyarusso/invite06:05
LjLah, yes06:06
LjLi just tested in PRIVMSG06:06
tonyyarussoI didn't know it worked in privmsg06:06
LjLi sure hope it does :o)06:07
LjLbut i see no reason why it shouldn't, after all channel messages *are* just PRIVMSG06:07
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LjLwho's fleishwurst? #ubuntu+106:37
LjLi see a lot of bans on him (well, on his host)06:37
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somerville32[13:36]  <hanswurst> hi all :)06:38
somerville32[13:36]  <wurstmann> hi all :)06:38
somerville32It appears he gets around06:38
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LjLwell i don't have a strong reason for banning him again, but i sure don't like that06:39
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apokryphoshmm06:41
naliothLjL: listen carefully please (ALL OF YOU) fleischwurst is a troll who used to go by the nick of "neoxan".  if you don't want trouble, ban him.  he is known the network over for his crap06:43
tonyyarussoOoooo, those are the same person eh?06:43
LjLnalioth, i could realize that quite easily, however i was waiting for a valid reason to ban him - i've had that06:43
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LjLtonyyarusso: i just searched for versanet.de, and that tells enough06:44
naliothnothing but trouble06:45
naliothapokryphos: he changes proxies06:46
apokryphosmight as well ban what he's using now though, since we know he's around ubuntu channels06:46
LjLnalioth: i suggest the other kind of ban too, he kept that information unchanged with the last three clones06:46
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gnomefreakMez: you here?07:10
gnomefreakMez: few points to know before going and doing things on your own without checking with people if you dont already know. point 1 the CC does not need to approve any team other than loco teams so sending the email to the CC just spams their list (not to mention in the middle of sprint week. 2. what is wrong with classroom the way it is? i dont think pulling -classroom away from nun is gonna help it at all. 3 there needs to be a meeting ab07:14
gnomefreaknalioth: why am i on your Lp page?07:15
naliothgnomefreak: i have no idea07:20
gnomefreakhe posted it in the email07:20
gnomefreakyou would have thought since he made a LP page he might have linked us to it but we got yours instead :(07:20
naliothoh. you are AT my LP page, not "listed" on it07:21
gnomefreaknalioth: yep it was posted in the Ml entry07:22
tonyyarussognomefreak: "to be a meeting ab..."07:28
tonyyarusso(so many meetings...)07:28
tonyyarusso:P07:28
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: cant change things that affect what 20+ people part of nun without a meeting07:32
=== gnomefreak not sure how many people nun has atm
tonyyarussognomefreak: I absolutely agree with you.  I'm just amused by my sad attempts at scheduling this whole "life" thing...07:32
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: thats why its a team not mezs team not my team its everyones07:33
gnomefreakwe help eachother (atleast used to)07:33
tonyyarussoright07:33
tonyyarussoWell, as part of that, I need to get to campus and get some things done.07:34
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: where is the link you had this morning07:35
gnomefreakabout classes07:35
tonyyarussognomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas - that one?07:36
gnomefreakty07:36
gnomefreakyes07:36
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: im sorry but if you want to add the bug class back feel free but i will no teach it until things get settled i work with people not for people (not torwards you at all)07:41
gnomefreaks/no/not07:41
ubotuIn #ubuntu, pbureau said: ubotu - if lampp is load in init.d sure it will07:59
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LjLnalioth: ping08:11
LjLnalioth: nevermind08:11
=== nalioth neverminds :P
LjLnalioth: well look at -offtopic just for kicks08:12
PriceChildhehe :)08:13
joejaxxnalioth: what is that tor link you always used to show me?08:15
joejaxxnalioth: it was an article about it08:18
naliothhow tor isn't secure?08:19
joejaxxyes08:19
LjLit ain't?08:19
gnomefreakLjL: nope08:19
gnomefreaknot like people think it is08:19
LjLwell, what i think is that the connection is encrypted when it goes through the tor routers, and 1) the start node knows the route but not the contents 2) the end node knows the contents but not the route08:20
naliothhttp://tor.unixgu.ru/08:21
joejaxxnalioth: thank you08:22
Mezgnomefreak: you're sadly mistaken that I went away for another linux distro08:23
nalioththe reason may be incorrect08:25
apokryphosMez: wow, that's mine, except I still hung around :O08:26
gnomefreakmaybe not but as i said i believe meaning i thought that is the reason i had heard08:26
gnomefreakbut read everything else08:26
Mezgnomefreak, then obviously you didnt read it well enough08:26
Mezor thngs didnt come across as they were meant08:26
MezI'd like to propose08:27
Mezseems to me that no decision has been made08:27
somerville32tonyyarusso, I'll teach anything that needs teaching. Just ask me if I know the topic first, haha08:27
gnomefreakwhat about the team you made without telling anyone08:27
gnomefreakthat in itself is a decision that should have been asked or voted on first08:28
gnomefreakplease feel free to correct how your email was supposed to mean and comment on it than but from what i see no meeting was ever asked about and the team was made08:29
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Mezgnomefreak, surely you cant oppose that a team be made?08:29
MezI mean - it's just a "unit" of people. whether that team be in launchpad or not - there still technically *IS* a team of people who *do* manage the classroom.08:30
gnomefreakMez: the people of NUN made classroom. you taking it upon yourself to make a team before asking people what they think you had it set that you were leading this "team" and doesnt care what anyone else really thinks08:30
Mezgnomefreak, as I've said - there already IS a team, in a physical sense.08:31
gnomefreakor you wouldnt have gone and made the team without the ok of the community. i suggest this goes to the NUn mailing list to continue08:31
ompaulthe function of a team is that team's if another team wants to take over that space, the first team better be defunct, or not in operation08:31
somerville32What does NUN stand for?08:32
gnomefreaknew user network08:32
ompaulnalioth, .. just a minor ping - I have done what I said I would do08:33
gnomefreaksomerville32: its there as a team to help new users to ubuntu get used to it and help them for the most part. atleast thats what it stood for when i applied08:33
somerville32Oh, right right08:33
naliothompaul: :)08:33
ompaulclassroom was spawned out of it, as a result of somepersons words08:34
ompaulas in classroom was spawned from NUN is was I meant08:34
ompauls/was/what/08:34
gnomefreakompaul: we had a meeting in early jan or late dec we were bring classes back and we were gonna talk to motu about merging our classees08:34
ompaulthat was a long day08:34
ompaulgnomefreak, well the way I would view that is that the "classroom" is a funtion room and let any group drive meetings in it - but as it is an IRC issue then the IRC council should the the ultimate keyholder08:35
ompaulfunction08:35
ompaulexcuse my typos, I have had a very long hard day08:36
gnomefreaki read typos well and make them well too :)08:37
naliothre ompaul: which is why -classroom allows ANY cloaked ubuntu member to operate in it08:37
ompaulnalioth, as I think we came up with in our original plan after the first lessons were run08:38
gnomefreakompaul: correct as i found out08:38
MezI hope that my latest email(s) clarify things08:38
fdovingcan anyone post links to mail archive-threads? - it's impossible to not get interested in all the arguments/fresh debates in this channel :)08:41
naliothlists.ubuntu.com  ubuntu-nun list fdoving08:41
fdovingok. thanks.08:42
fdovingone of the few lists i'm not subscribed to.08:42
gnomefreaknalioth: the meeting we had in dec-janish where did we keep those logs? mixed in with ubuntulog's logs?08:44
naliothi'm sure they are there, if the meeting was in -meeting08:46
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MezI'll see how i feeel about it in a couplem of days08:46
fdovingMez: your suggestion is to make #ubuntu-classroom more like #ubuntu-meeting?08:50
fdoving.. but for classes..08:50
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ompauland maybe that NUN mail from me helps a little - think about the objective08:52
fdovingyeah, i completely agree.08:54
Mezompaul, tahts the kind of feedback I was looking for08:54
Meznot "oh god mez is trying to split us up" or" oh mez is evil" (once again)08:55
ompaulMez, that is a given }:->08:55
Mez:(08:55
MezI'll dismiss taht comment for now as i have to go to work08:56
Mezbut look forward to my blog post in the next few days people - it's going to be an interesting one08:56
=== fdoving looks at https://launchpad.net/~mez and thinks mez got a launchpad-team-fetish :)
Mezffdoving: lol08:57
Mezy too much08:58
Mezno, i jusyt do waay too much08:58
fdovingbut you know. kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, kubuntu-beasties, as an example, could be merged to one.08:59
fdovingmaybe leave kubuntu-members out of that merge, but you get the idea.08:59
fdovinghaving a team for every little thing becomes a mess when you do lots of stuff.08:59
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apokryphossomeone also needs to kill the Ubuntu United Kingdom Team09:11
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effie_jayxjenda... I'm banned from ubuntu... what did I do?09:14
gnomefreakmaybe the web/cgi09:15
LjLeffie_jayx: probably just your cgi:irc gateway being banned09:15
naliotheffie_jayx: you're not cloaked09:15
LjLeffie_jayx: yes, that is it, ircatwork.com is banned09:16
LjLi can set an exempt but i suppose if you have a cloak, just use it ;)09:16
naliothLjL: set the +e, his cloak isn't working09:16
LjLk09:16
naliothi'll look into it09:16
effie_jayxthanks :D09:17
effie_jayxno problem09:17
effie_jayxI am at the university and the IRC is not allowed :S09:17
LjLeffie_jayx: can you join now?09:17
naliotheffie_jayx: dont you have an ubuntu cloak?09:17
effie_jayxnope09:18
nalioththen +e it'll be, i guess09:18
effie_jayxgood09:19
effie_jayxI'mm done09:19
effie_jayxi'm in I was scared09:19
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LjLheh09:21
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LjLeffie_jayx: can i remove the exempt now?11:34
effie_jayxyeap.. I'm bak home11:35
effie_jayx:D11:35
LjLwell, the one for the nickname at least - not too comfortable with that11:35
LjLk11:35
effie_jayxsure go ahead.... sorry :D11:35
LjLno need to be, it's just a bit of a backdoor11:35
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naliothLjL: you might as well leave it, he joins each day with that hostmask11:49
LjLnalioth: i left the hostmask exempt, i just removed the effie_jayx!*@* exempt, that one didn't sound too good in the long run11:50
naliothhuh?11:52
naliothif the hostmask has the exempt, ANYone can join from that interface, or it'll be useless next time he logs in11:53
LjLnalioth, i'm not quite following you. yes, the hostmask exempt won't work when he rejoins, *if* the gateway gives him a different cloak - i don't know how that works, whether it's a hash of the originating IP or what11:54
LjLbut then having effie_jayx!*@* means that anybody with that *nickname* can join11:54
nalioththen give him a +I11:58
naliothactually . . .11:58
LjLnalioth: actually?12:01
effie_jayx:S12:03
LjLoh well i'll set the +I12:03
effie_jayxlesson learned .. don't use www.ircatwork.com :S12:03
LjLeffie_jayx, if you have no alternative...12:04
LjLi have an exempt set for myself on a CGI::IRC gateway too12:04
effie_jayxat work... no :S12:04
LjLeffie_jayx, not much difference, you'll find one or the other banned anyway12:04
LjLactually we used to have *all* of them banned12:04
effie_jayxthing is the university is pretty tough on ports and I am under a network... and the port I was using was blocked... infact they only leave out 8080 for internet ...12:05
LjLsame at my university12:06
LjLweb only12:06
LjLand through a proxy12:06
PriceChildI had that problem12:07
PriceChildSo then I got in touch with the techy people that run the networks, and they taught me how to use ssh to tunnel out irc12:07
LjLPriceChild: that needs a machine at home with a public IP though, i suppose12:07
PriceChildLjL, We've got a thing called "The Tower" here... about a dozen machines clustered that anyone can ssh into :)12:08
LjLwell not everybody has that you know ;)12:08
LjLi have a machine always running, but then i don't have an IP12:08
=== PriceChild thinks the fact that he asked for help using his @ubuntu.com email address helped... especially when they run ubuntu servers here :D
effie_jayxyeahh the @ubuntu.com kinda helps :D12:09
PriceChildI was amazed when I found out they were running ubuntu :)12:10
LjL"of course it runs ubuntu"12:10
LjLah no wait that's another unix12:10
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effie_jayxok12:15
effie_jayxgotta go guys .. thnks for all the helo12:15
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