[12:36] <PriceChild> LjL, You're just not good enough... I expect you to know everything going on inside their minds as well as their OS!
[12:37] <ompaul> PriceChild, you are not good enough you gave away useful information in that
[12:37] <ompaul> :P
[12:37] <maxamillion> PriceChild: j0
[12:38] <LjL> ompaul: is that sarcasm?
[12:38] <PriceChild> hey maxamillion :)
[12:39] <ompaul> LjL, kind of, more like a double dose of irony, washed down with a tinge of what is the world coming to
[12:39] <LjL> darn
[12:40] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, Hey no fair! - You got on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6288119.stm and I didn't :(
[12:40] <LjL> if you ask how you can force an fsck on reboot, and i give you the !fsck factoid, you can see for yourself that it tells you how to do that. it may be wrong about it, what do i know, but it does
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Were you after they closed requests?  They might still be processing.  Mez made it too.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> when did we make a flash plugin for 64 bit :(
[12:41] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, No I submitted a few days ago
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: odd
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: we did?
[12:41] <PriceChild> They obviously didn't like mine :)
[12:41] <gnomefreak> what a bug reporter said
[12:41] <gnomefreak> im gonna ping crimsun and ask i think
[12:43] <gnomefreak> libflash-mozplugin + libflash0c2 is what hes saying runs on 64bit
[12:44] <gnomefreak> they seem to both be in universe
[01:16] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: not adobe flash
[01:16] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: and not very good
[01:22] <gnomefreak> so its one of those things that dont work really either
[01:51] <maddash> gah, I assumed that he left b/c he had no idea of why pasting was wrong
[01:51] <LjL> maddash: it's just not productive to talk about operator actions in #ubuntu, which is why there is this channel
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: maybe he had no idea of anything that happened
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: but at any rate, my primary concern is that the channel doesn't get flooded
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: so since he still hadn't finished pasting apparently, i muted him
[01:52] <maddash> no, I'm not saying the mute was wrong...it wasn't....
[01:52] <LjL> maddash: i sent him a !paste factoid in a private query too, though
[01:52] <maddash> oh! nvm everything, then
[02:26] <LjL> tonyyarusso: [02:26:24]  <tommckay> i didn't see humour being banned anywhere. (private query - redirected here)
[02:28] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Part of a general crackdown on language after I started hilighting things and saw how bad it is.  Welcome to come here for follow-up if desired.
[02:29] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i know i was going to kick him too for that matter, just i opted for the "ahum"
[02:29] <LjL> not sure why he queried me and not you
[02:29] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[02:29] <LjL> sure enough the n-words sets up enough highlights on us...
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> eww, I have 42 hilights now :P
[02:31] <LjL> tonyyarusso: oh i definitely beat you, let me count
[02:31] <somerville32> lol
[02:32] <LjL> tonyyarusso: 106
[02:32] <somerville32> Crazy
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> nice
[02:32] <LjL> not really, i just am too lazy to remove the ones i don't need anymore
[02:32] <LjL> it's not like they're all "dangerous" words, most of them are hostmasks
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> a lot of mine are too
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> I added some coolness to the auto_sev_bleh script to add a hostmask hilight for anyone I take action against.
[02:34] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i'm much more do-it-yourself with konversation ;\
[02:36] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: can you post it somewhere? i didnt know you knew perl
[02:38] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't.  ;)  I guessed.  I have some other things I want to try - I'll probably post it if I succeed.
[02:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I want to add auto-op for topic changes and ban-remove kinds of things, as well as scanning the chanserv.py to see if there are other things I should try to translate.
[02:41] <gnomefreak> k
[02:49] <somerville32> Xchat's already supports that ;] 
[02:51] <LjL> !blacklist
[02:51] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list
[02:51] <LjL> !no blacklist is <reply> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add "blacklist modulename" to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[02:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:51] <LjL> !modules is <alias> blacklist
[02:51] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: Well yeah, hence looking at the script to see what's in there.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[03:35] <Hobbsee> any new developments or blow ups?
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Not that I know of
[03:36] <Hobbsee> oh good
[03:36] <Hobbsee> two legit messages thunderbird thinks is spam
[03:36] <somerville32> Jenda, unfortunately, blew up today due to spontaneous combustion. We will miss her.
[03:36] <tonyyarusso> Well, Rhythmbox apparently won't start, but hey
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah, one is asking for mroe ops at the council
[03:37] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> bah.  you didnt want it to start anyway
[03:37] <somerville32> It's a ghost!
[03:56] <Hobbsee> argh!  a ghost!!!
[03:57] <tonyyarusso> wooooowoooooooooooooo
[03:58] <somerville32> hehe
[04:02] <tonyyarusso> Small doses somerville32 - it comes along, just very slowly
[04:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont drop to many at once or you'll melt the keyboards crust :)
[04:04] <somerville32> ;] 
[04:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[06:01] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: i'm no longer picless person on planet now.  or wotn be, soon
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: yay!
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Now I just need to figure out what on earth I'm doing with my blog and get on there.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:30] <elkbuntu> nalioth, ping
[06:30] <nalioth> elkbuntu: pong
[06:30] <elkbuntu>  /e17/bin/edje_cc: Error. unable to load image for image "brushed.png" part entry to ../../data/init/default.edj. Missing PNG or JPEG loader modules for Evas or file does not exist, or is not readable.
[06:31] <elkbuntu> neither tony nor i had a clue
[06:31] <elkbuntu> so i left it as that about 1am and went to bed
[06:31] <elkbuntu> care to rejoin that crazily named channel?
[06:32] <nalioth> invite me, please
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> serves you right :P
[06:37] <mneptok> heh. more Dvorak users?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hey mneptok
[06:37] <mneptok> pyfgcrl, dudes
[06:39] <mneptok> fighting the good fight, Hobbsnose?
[06:39] <Hobbsee> nah
[06:40] <somerville32> Hobbsee, has minions to do her fighting
[06:40] <mneptok> but ... class struggle is the defining characteristic of human endeavor!
[06:40] <Hobbsee> somerville32: exactly.
[06:40] <mneptok> or is that microwave popcorn?
[06:41] <somerville32> Hobbsee is root. She has sudo power.
[06:45] <somerville32> hehe
[06:45] <somerville32> I wrote my own mudlib from scratch
[06:48] <Hobbsee> http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/20489780.html
[06:50] <somerville32> lmao
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes....about how retail sucks?
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe @ link
[06:51] <Jucato> Hobbsee: anything! :)
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, i forgot you had a blog
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe
[06:53] <tonyy_on_kde> Sweet
[06:53] <Hobbsee> mneptok: heh
[06:53] <mneptok> i roll like that.
[06:53] <tonyy_on_kde> Orvvvw br, ,dayZ
[06:54] <mneptok> qjkxbmwvz!
[06:54] <tonyy_on_kde> Yday eceb-y mat. abf o.bo. mb.lyrt
[06:55] <tonyy_on_kde> ann pcidy ann pcidyvvv
[06:55] <tonyy_on_kde> Hi Hobbsee
[06:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, you cant, tony's on kde ;)
[06:56] <tonyy_on_kde> True enough
[06:56] <mneptok> tonyy_on_kde: http://gigliwood.com/abcd/
[06:56] <tonyy_on_kde> Tony is arso on Dvoraj afaun
[06:57] <tonyy_on_kde> That arbont wocjed
[06:57] <tonyy_on_kde> wow...
[06:58] <Hobbsee> KDE is perfectly sensible to run.
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. thats what they all say :)
[06:59] <mneptok> i wish KDE had more apps that began with K. like GNOME and G.
[07:01] <mneptok> gnOuch!
[07:26] <Hobbsee> lol
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> Can you imagine what real life would be like with scrollback?  You could tell a joke to Bill in the coffeeshop, and Jane would laugh when she saw you on the bus two days later.
[07:30] <DBO> tonyyarusso, sounds like my life all the time
[07:44] <nalioth> lovely router
[07:45] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: unless Jane dematerialized from the bus due to lag
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> Darn you DBO !!  You're two characters quicker than me.
[09:52] <DBO> =P
[09:52] <DBO> if it werent for frogzoo I would not have seen it
[09:52] <tonyyarusso> Ah.  Gotta love the hilights.
[10:29] <GazzaK> awww
[10:29] <popey> not heard that one for a while
[10:31] <mneptok> not to put too fine a point on it, say i'm the only bee in your bonnet.
[10:37] <tonyyarusso> !away | Mez
[10:37] <ubotu> Mez: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[10:38] <tonyyarusso> :P
[10:39] <GazzaK> now if he responds to that, can we all laugh?
[10:40] <mneptok> no.
[10:40] <mneptok> hilarity is not allowed.
[10:41] <GazzaK> oh, sorry
[10:41] <GazzaK> i'll go stand in the corner
[10:43] <mneptok> that's hilarious. now i shall ban you.
[11:40] <GazzaK> bully
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> slooooowwwwwwest comeback EVER
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, its insde the 1 hour rule ;)
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: true.  barely
[11:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> tehehe
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: you heard of OPTUS, as an ISP?
[11:44] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, heh, they're one of the bigger ones
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2nd infact ;)
[11:45] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Just thought I'd let you know their uptime is astounding.
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, what do you mean?
[11:45] <GazzaK> tonyyarusso, on purpose :p
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Well see, there's a nick on freenode that would be convenient for me to have, since it's my system login and therefore default nick with any new IRC clients that I try.  It's registered, but the registrant hasn't used it in a long, long time, so I thought I'd grab it.  Thing is though, that someone else other than the registrant is using it.
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> My plan was to just wait until they got off and take it when they were done, and I set up a supybot to do that.  But, it's been a couple of weeks now and they're still on - didn't anticipate that one :S
[11:49] <GazzaK> kick them off?
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, thats their pc/client/shell being up  long time ;) i'd (personally) expect any isp to have connections that long
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: I suppose
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> GazzaK: I have neither the means nor the desire to do that :)
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, my mates are on dynamic ips - our isp hasnt changed our ips so long their dyndns accoutns got deleted :|
[11:51] <GazzaK> do it mneptok it's enteraining
[11:51] <tonyyarusso> haha
[12:34] <apokryphos> why is the locobot logging #xubuntu?
[12:35] <gnomefreak> not sure
[12:35] <jenda> prod smurf
[12:36] <jenda> BTW, I muted or banned Mez out of 3 channels, till he turns off public away.
[12:36] <apokryphos> yeah, perhaps when he's around
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> crud.  I'm at the LP bugs page and can't remember the bug I'm reporting...
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> jenda: okay
[12:36] <apokryphos> jenda: why not just tell him next time he's around? I'm sure he'll comply ;-)
[12:36] <jenda> apokryphos: because he isn't around now :)
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> I sent him !away as well
[12:37] <jenda> and I don't know how may times he might go away till I get a chance to tell him.
[12:37] <apokryphos> jenda: but surely the next offence can only happen after he's back? :P
[12:37] <jenda> and a mute is a decent way to tell him, anyway ;)
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> If anybody has a moment, add some thoughts to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas please.
[12:37] <jenda> apokryphos: but I mightn't be here.
[12:37] <jenda> right - -classroom is one of those channels.
[12:38] <apokryphos> jenda: memos are good :P
[12:38] <jenda> Sorry Mez :) will be unmuted ASAP.
[12:40] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: define launchpad
[12:40] <gnomefreak> on the ideas page
[12:40] <jenda> define?
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Good call.  I think some LP folks actually just put together an introduction piece, so I'll look up who that was and see if they can do a shindig.
[12:41] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i just added bug traige
[12:41] <gnomefreak> because LP is a little general
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Are you willing to teach it as well by any chance?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:42] <gnomefreak> ofcourse ;)
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Sweet
[12:42] <gnomefreak> lol
[12:42] <tonyyarusso> Add your name next to it then?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> k
[12:43] <gnomefreak> done :)
[12:43] <tonyyarusso> :)
[12:45] <PriceChild> :P
[12:45] <gnomefreak> jenda: i would say yes unless its a *bump* (for lack of bettter words) for the team
[12:45] <gnomefreak> ohhhhhhh
[12:46] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: lets volenteer PriceChild for a beryl/desktop effects class :)
[12:46] <jenda> gnomefreak: I'd have to think about the content.
[12:46] <gnomefreak> i think having one would be good/usfull
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Yes, you could.
[12:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, Only if they're running Edgy + Nvidia/intel... I'm not having anything else ;)
[12:46] <jenda> tonyyarusso: 'pends on if there's enough to say :)
[12:46] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: would you be willing to
[12:47] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: tahts fine since dapper and beryl really shouldnt be
[12:47] <PriceChild> Yeah I'd be willing of course
[12:47] <jenda> tonyyarusso: so far, I can think of tips on branding in artwork (which overlies the artwork session), and how you can participate in Ubuntu even if you are no good at coding or translations.
[12:47] <tonyyarusso> jenda: Oh, there's plenty.  I'd suggest doing a joint with somerville32 if possibly.  You could talk about say three easy ways to get started on marketing (making a CD display, whatever), and Cody could brief them on how the UWN process works.
[12:47] <jenda> PriceChild: which image
[12:47] <gnomefreak> seeing as everyone is either running or wants to run beryl i think that class would kick class
[12:47] <jenda> PriceChild: the beryl chart-thing?
[12:48] <jenda> cool
[12:48] <PriceChild> jenda, the one explaining aiglx+xgl etc. and what you need etc.
[12:48] <PriceChild> yeah
[12:48] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: Even if it's just general stuff - not so much user support as "what the heck is all of this?" it would be good.  Add the topic and your name to the page if you can.
[12:48] <PriceChild> Yeah sure :)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: when are you looking at starting these classes?
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> I want to get a pretty complete schedule going soon for at least the first third of 2007, and since it's already the end of January...
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: ASAP, probably on an every-other-weekend basis.
[12:50] <tonyyarusso> We were doing them semi-regularly, but dropped the ball a bit on administration.
[12:50] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: just let me know a bit in advance. (im tring to clean up alot of work)
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Of course.  I'll give you more than the three hours I got for mine.  :P  (instructor on the schedule was a no-show)
[12:51] <gnomefreak> before mine i would do the LP calls and membership at the very least.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> classes not calls
[12:52] <gnomefreak> bugs == big help on membership apps. and would help if they new LP before trying
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> They'll probably happen in two sorts of steps, restarting from the ground-level stuff following Feisty release, to bring in the new users we get with that.
[12:54] <jenda> PriceChild: would it make no sense at all if I made it look like Xorg sits on top of AIGLX?
[12:54] <PriceChild> Not really....
[12:54] <PriceChild> It would make slightly more sense the other way round...
[12:55] <jenda> ok - I'll let you switch it if you feel like it, it's .odg
[12:55] <PriceChild> But still, seen as we're dealing with edgy only we don't really need a separate bit :P
[12:55] <PriceChild> Ok :)
[12:55] <jenda> but I'll put it as I said, because it fits better graphically, with Xorg sitting on top of nVidia.
[12:56] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:56] <jenda> what did that last thing mean?
[12:56] <PriceChild> nevermind :)
[12:56] <jenda> ok
[12:56] <jenda> :)
[01:17] <jenda> PriceChild: diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg
[01:17] <jenda> knock yourself out ;)
[01:18] <jenda> or... tell me if you like it that way, I'll replace it with a .png.
[01:18] <PriceChild> woo ty :)
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> silly people who don't put protocols on their URLs...
[01:18] <jenda> That way, you can link directly to it during the sessions
[01:18] <jenda> tonyyarusso: sorry http://diy.devubuntu.com/dump/DesktopChartEN.odg
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> much better :)
[01:18] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, +1 - I had to highlight and middle click and everything :O
[01:18] <jenda> tonyyarusso: I actually typed that by hand :)
[01:19] <jenda> lazy people ;)
[01:19] <jenda> wuzzat?
[01:19] <jenda> oh, BTW, let's move to #ubuntu-nun
[01:19] <jenda> it's ot here.
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> Agreed
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for being anal retentive, but !linux, first character, should be capitalised ;) <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core)...etc
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> !linux
[01:38] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> !-linux
[01:38] <ubotu> linux has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 16:35:48
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> Ah, that's why.
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> ubotu: no, linux is <reply> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[01:39] <ubotu> I'll remember that, tonyyarusso
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: :)
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty :)
[02:20] <jenda> check
[02:21] <tonyyarusso> I hope commenting in the bantracker's fixed
[02:31] <Seeker`> why is the <reply> neccessary?
[02:32] <Seeker`> when using ubotu?
[02:32] <Seeker`> what else can it do?
[02:32] <jenda> I think that makes the difference between "Linux is the kernel..." and "For more info about linux..."
[02:33] <jenda> which would (without <reply>) say "Linux is For more info about Linux..."
[02:33] <jenda> ie. <reply> removes the "<factoid> is" from the reply...
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> without reply it says whateverthenameofthefactoidis is such and such
[02:33] <jenda> But that's a guess.
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> Factoid names are lowercase.
[02:33] <jenda> ooh :)
[02:33] <jenda> good guess :)
[02:33] <tonyyarusso> To get Suchandsuch is, you need a <reply>
[02:34] <jenda> Suchandsuch sounds like a town in Germany.
[02:34] <tonyyarusso> You're thinking of Suchtachtzuckt
[02:36] <jenda> 
[02:36] <jenda> Actually, I can't claim to have been thinking at all.
[02:36] <tonyyarusso> that too
[02:44] <ubotu> In ubotu, apokryphos said: forget bar
[02:44] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:44] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: But then the priests and rabbis will walk into it all over again!
[02:44] <apokryphos> I don't think it coincidence that it's me more than anyone else ;-)
[02:45] <apokryphos> it might be worth starting an OnConnect event to identify myself with ubotu, considering the amount of times it's happened 8)
[02:45] <Jucato> :P
[02:48] <gnomefreak> :( everyone is thinking and i reached my thinking limit for the week
[02:48] <gnomefreak> well everyone but jenda :)
[02:49] <gnomefreak> btw tonyyarusso im wondering (not thinking) if your issue can be caused by the kernel snd module
[02:49] <gnomefreak> if it only happens on reboot
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't have the foggiest idea.  That level of things is well beyond my current expertise.
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> If you have thoughts, add a comment to the bug and we'll see what crimsun says.
[02:50] <gnomefreak> if i see him i will check with him and one of us will add comments tto it :)
[03:01] <Lapfunc> hi.  i appear to have been shunted to #ubuntu-read-topic even though i am not vulnerable to said exploit.  any idea why?
[03:02] <tonyyarusso> Lapfunc: /join ##tonyyarusso please to confirm
[03:03] <Lapfunc> done
[03:05] <tonyyarusso> Lapfunc: All set in #ubuntu
[03:06] <Mez> jenda: ping
[03:07] <Lapfunc> cheers tony
[03:07] <Lapfunc> :)
[03:08] <Mez> nalioth: ping
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> Mez: This about your mutes, or a staff-y thing?
[03:09] <Mez> a bit of both
[03:09] <tonyyarusso> ah
[03:09] <Mez> one for each :P
[03:10] <Mez> jenda -> mutes (WTF?)
[03:10] <Mez> and nalioth -> channel contacts
[03:10] <Mez> s/contacts/access
[03:10] <tonyyarusso> Mez: Didn't you see your scrollback about the mutes?
[03:10] <gnomefreak> Mez: away messages are not to be used
[03:10] <gnomefreak> !away
[03:10] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[03:10] <Mez> !slap people because it was an accident
[03:11] <gnomefreak> Mez: he didnt know that im sure
[03:11] <Mez> I accidentally typed /ame instead of /me
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> Mez: hehe - we have no way to know that ;)
[03:11] <apokryphos> %lart mez
[03:11] <apokryphos> @Lart mez
[03:11] <tonyyarusso> I've seen that before - you should change that command.
[03:11] <Mez> * Mez -> bed
 Mez: thanks for telling in a gazillion channels ;)
 pusling, accidental /ame
[03:12] <gnomefreak> if its that important the users that would need those type of answers will know to check /whois
[03:13] <Mez> gnomefreak, its sort ofa "night people - I'm off" thing
[03:13] <Mez> ffs
[03:13] <Mez> so where am i muted?
[03:14] <gnomefreak> that would be jenda but i thought he removed the mute in -classroom not sure how many other channels he muted you in
[03:14] <tonyyarusso> We can find out :)
[03:14] <Mez> I unmuted myself in -classroom
[03:15] <Mez> which is why I'm pingng nalioth, as I shoulda have some access other than ubuntu/member/* in there
[03:15] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: is there a /wherethehellismezmuted command?
[03:15] <apokryphos> Mez: no point if you still actually have access :P
[03:15] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Well, no.  Bantracker + grep was my plan
[03:16] <Mez> apokryphos, well I dont agree with an access mask like that for there to be honest
[03:16] <gnomefreak> Mez: it was changed to that because nun isnt the only ones that use that channnel anymore
[03:16] <apokryphos> Mez: it was there when we had the open day, when any random ubuntu member might need ops
[03:16] <tonyyarusso> Mez: gnomefreak: It was mostly for Open Week, so people like Jono would have access.
[03:16] <Mez> gnomefreak, since UOW - have they used it ?
[03:16] <apokryphos> Mez: though it's caused no issues since leaving it there
[03:17] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: i know but i thought it was decided to hold more things there
[03:17] <Mez> apokryphos, there havent been classes yet ... I'm sure there'll be some disruption at some point
[03:17] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I don't know that it was even discussed, but that's just me
[03:17] <Mez> which is why I'd prefer specific access
[03:18] <apokryphos> Mez: there were loads of classes in openweek
[03:18] <gnomefreak> Mez: you have access
[03:18] <apokryphos> Mez: it's been like that for months and there's been no disruption. Considering the channel, no reason to think that really.
[03:18] <Mez> gnomefreak, access through my cloak only
[03:19] <apokryphos> Mez: just like most other ops in there
[03:19] <ubotu> In ubotu, IdleOne said: Noobuntu is here is a list of common/helpfull links: !mp3 !dvd !repos !ati !java !X please refer to these links by typing /msg ubotu !tigger i.e /msg ubotu mp3
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> You have to identify to get access anyway, and identifying gets you your cloak, right?
[03:20] <Mez> 1) i was actually going to remove a n access mask from there
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> That list _does_ need some work of some sort.
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> It has ompaul as the channel owner.
[03:21] <apokryphos> tonyyarusso: nope, it's nalioth
[03:21] <Mez> tonyyarusso, nope - ompaul registered, nalith is channel contact
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: wait, nvm, you're right
[03:21] <tonyyarusso> He just was 30 so I assumed
[03:21] <apokryphos> yeah
[03:21] <Mez> nalioth as a rep of nun I believe was the contact
[03:22] <LjL> what is the matter anyway, all ubuntu members having access?
[03:22] <tonyyarusso> We need to discuss issues of NUN leadership more anyway - I left him a scrollback about that a few hours ago
[03:22] <LjL> i say if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it hasn't proved to be broken to my knowledge
[03:23] <tonyyarusso> Probably none, I would think.
[03:23] <Mez> tonyyarusso, then lets hit -nun
[03:23] <Mez> gnomefreak, please unban me from -marketing
[03:23] <gnomefreak> Mez: im not in marketing
[03:24] <Mez> gnomefreak, but you're an op
[03:24] <gnomefreak> Mez: i never banned you from there that i can remember
[03:24] <apokryphos> jenda did
[03:25] <gnomefreak> jenda: i unbanned Mez from -marketing
[03:26] <gnomefreak> Mez: i did it but for future reffernce the person set the ban removes it
[03:26] <LjL> Seveas: ping see #ubuntu
[03:26] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: in this case it was only a ban to escape Mez's away message, I believe
[03:27] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: im wasnt in there so i dont know why it was set but i assumed that was the reason
[03:27] <LjL> [15:26:37]  <zoli2k> These conditions I did not find in ubuntu irc rules. I don't understand why ubotu is not limited then only for IM. I don't think that displeasing IRC users in such way is compatible with the philosophy of ubuntu. Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this.
[03:27] <LjL> private message - banned from #ubuntu, redirected here
[03:28] <gnomefreak> goodie ;)
[03:29] <tonyyarusso> wheeee
[03:29] <tonyyarusso> And um, aren't they in our rules somewhere?
[03:29] <LjL> course they are, they're in !msg the bot, which i had sent to him
[03:29] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines ??
[03:30] <gnomefreak> Jucato: should be in there
[03:30] <gnomefreak> but if not they should be
[03:30] <LjL> yes it's there too, i don't care anyway, you don't stalk me that way if i set a 2-minutes mute *after* giving you the factoid
[03:31] <gnomefreak> Jucato: they should be there
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> they're at the bottom - what's wrong with having them together?
[03:31] <Mez> I dont think "bot abuse" is reason for a ban
[03:31] <Mez> a /remove, maybe
[03:31] <Jucato> so that we could easily add more things to it without making that page longer than it already is
[03:31] <Mez> but not a ban unless persistent (after a warning)
[03:31] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Careful with words here ("stalk").
[03:32] <LjL> Mez: which is just what happened
[03:32] <gnomefreak> Mez: bot abuse was the reason for the mute not the ban
[03:32] <Jucato> specially in light of an upcoming meeting
[03:32] <LjL> ok
[03:32] <LjL> PLEASE look at what happened before commenting things
[03:32] <LjL> 1) he asked two bot factoids 2) i gave him !msgthebot 3) he asked a third 4) i muted him for two minutes, saying so and explaining why 5) i unmuted him 6) he gave me that remark in a PM 7) i banned him
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: Ah.  Might make sense.  I guess we'll have to see what the length looks like.  Personally, I think it's kind of nice that everyone sees what we expect of ourselves too.
[03:33] <LjL> anyway, i also explicitly invited him to join here, and he didn't. so point moot.
[03:33] <Mez> LjL, then I disagree with the ban
[03:33] <LjL> Mez: ask him to come here and appeal it then
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Mez: (Do that in PM first please, per our earlier discussion)
[03:33] <Mez> he /msg'd you - fair enough - did he carry on ausing the bot ?
[03:33] <Jucato> tonyyarusso: true. but I somehow have a feeling that the section is going to become longer in the coming days/weeks :D
[03:33] <Mez> tonyyarusso, ?? It was bought up in here
[03:33] <tonyyarusso> Jucato: I suspect you're right ;)
[03:34] <LjL> Mez: no. "asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this" qualifies as a clear statement that he is going to do it again, *and* disregards operator suggestions
[03:34] <tonyyarusso> Mez: I know - but that's one of the things we've been talking about trying to avoid.
[03:34] <Mez> LjL, not to me - the only thing that qualifies as a statement they're going to do it again is doing it again
[03:35] <LjL> then we disagree
[03:35] <Mez> I agree ;)
[03:40] <Mez> ooh, penlight
[03:46] <LjL> hi zoli2k
[03:46] <zoli2k> Hi
[03:46] <LjL> zoli2k: look, the problem here is - you weren't supposed to know about correct bot usage in advance, that's for sure
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k: in fact, the first thing i did was let you know that the bot should be used in private when you're just enquiring with it
[03:47] <zoli2k> Yes, but you blocked me immediately after your first warning
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k, well no, after my warning, you asked for a *third* bot factoid
[03:47] <LjL> zoli2k: it appeared as you had ignored the warning
[03:48] <LjL> zoli2k: and, no, asking 3 questions is not "flooding", but flooding isn't the *only* thing that's bad for the channel
[03:48] <zoli2k> can I paste here the last message to the bot? 4-5 lines
[03:48] <zoli2k> my last question to bot was:
[03:48] <zoli2k> (15:18:27) zoli2k: !windowmanager
[03:49] <LjL> zoli2k: also, you understand that stating that "Asking 3 questions from bot is not flooding. So please don't do this." makes me assume that you're going to make up your own rules and not respect the estabilished ones, hence the ban
[03:49] <zoli2k> I received your warning after this:
[03:49] <zoli2k> (15:18:32) LjL: !msg the bot > zoli2k
[03:49] <gnomefreak> if anyone needs me ill be talking to ubotu for a while trying to figure some things out.
[03:49] <LjL> [15:17:54]  <LjL> !msg the bot > zoli2k
[03:49] <LjL> [15:17:57]  <-- painkiler has left this server (Connection timed out).
[03:49] <LjL> [15:18:12]  <zoli2k> !windowmanager
[03:49] <LjL> either your connection is very lagged, zoli2k...
[03:50] <zoli2k> I can send you a screenshot from my gaim, probably you don't belive I can edit them so quick.
[03:51] <LjL> zoli2k, there is no need, i can take your word about it.
[03:51] <LjL> zoli2k, i'll just ask you if you are, generally speaking, willing to use the channel in a way that doesn't clash with the CoC and guidelines, and whatever operators suggest is best
[03:51] <Mez> gnomefreak, it's great how AI can help us all out nowadays
[03:52] <zoli2k> LjL: http://158.197.33.91/~kuscsik/Screenshot.png
[03:53] <gnomefreak> AI?
[03:53] <LjL> it's ok zoli2k, i was willing to believe you on that in any case
[03:54] <zoli2k> LjL: Of course, I will accept your rules. My suggestion is only to block the bot only for IM. I used it in general discussion because others do it.
[03:54] <LjL> zoli2k, no - you're mistaken about it
[03:54] <LjL> zoli2k: it's perfectly fine to use the bot in the channel
[03:55] <LjL> zoli2k: *as long as* you're using it to give help to somebody else, *and* you know what factoids to call
[03:55] <LjL> zoli2k: if you need it 1) for yourself or 2) to experiment with it or 3) you don't know what factoid to use, then you should do it in private or in #ubuntu-bots
[03:56] <LjL> Ubotu, tell zoli2k about bot | zoli2k, see the private message from Ubotu
[03:56] <LjL> this will also be useful i think
[03:57] <Mez> is there a mailing list for the CC?
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> there's a something
[03:59] <Mez> tonyyarusso, i just want to CC them regarding this Classroom stuff
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> Mez: community-council@lists.ubuntu.com is listed on the web site
[04:01] <Mez> I couldnt find it on the website, but James just poked me in the right direction
[04:02] <gnomefreak> it may not be listed because of the crap that would be put there/or ML spammers
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> It's not in the list on lists.ubunt.com, but it is on http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/council
[04:46] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: no audio is Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Audacious, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:46] <LjL> !audio
[04:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about audio - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:46] <LjL> !players
[04:46] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:46] <Mez> !msg the bot > LjL
[04:46] <LjL> hmm, not sure if !audio should be alias !sound or !players
[04:46] <Mez> :P
[04:46] <LjL> Mez, i do it here in purpose... :)
[04:46] <Mez> hence the :P
[04:46] <LjL> just "documenting" what i change
[04:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).   Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[04:47] <Mez> is there a factoid to tell him about programming?
[04:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, frogzoo said: audacious is A repo for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[04:47] <LjL> programming?
[04:48] <LjL> !audacious is <reply> A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[04:48] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[04:49] <LjL> !audio is <alias> sound
[04:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[04:49] <Mez> !editfactoid is <reply> Hi there! As we have had a few issues of abuse, all factoid edits are forwarded to the op team for review and addition. Your factoids will show up soon if they are accepted
[04:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[04:49] <Mez> !editfactoid > frogzoo
[04:49] <LjL> Mez: oh but they already get notified that it's being forwarded to #ubuntu-ops
[04:49] <tonyyarusso> Mez: The bot tells them that already.
[04:50] <Mez> oh, I didnt know that
[04:50] <Mez> !forget editfactoid
[04:50] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[04:50] <LjL> !unidentify
[04:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about unidentify - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:50] <LjL> !test is a test
[04:50] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, LjL said: !test is a test
[04:50] <LjL> [16:50:44]  <ubotu> Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail
[04:51] <Mez> LjL, I cant unidentify ;)
[04:51] <Mez> @lart LjL
[04:51] <LjL> Mez, i used the wrong command anyway
[04:51] <Mez> @lasrt add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who
[04:51] <Mez> @lart add gets the neuraliser out and points it at $who
[04:51] <Mez> @lart 35 me
[04:52] <Mez> ;)
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> unidentify?  Why?
[04:52] <LjL> tonyyarusso: to check out the message ubotu would send me on trying to add a factoid..
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> ah
[04:52] <gnomefreak> .win 1
[04:52] <Mez> gnomefreak, lol
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> LjL: what about identify -nick pw?
[04:53] <LjL> tonyyarusso, don't know, but unidentify does work
[04:53] <LjL> just not with a ! in front of it
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> ah
[04:53] <tonyyarusso> Right, it won't let you do that stuff in channel
[04:53] <Mez> you got to love it when your mother arrives at your house, out of the blue, with a weeks work of shopping with her for you
[04:53] <Mez> tonyyarusso, acutally it will
[04:53] <LjL> %unidentify
[04:53] <ubotu> OK  If you remain recognized after giving this command, you're being recognized by hostmask, rather than by password.  You must remove whatever hostmask is causing you to be recognized in order not to be recognized.
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> Mez: eh?  Mine won't.
[04:54] <Mez> but ubotu doesnt respond to ! :P
[04:54] <Mez> It responds to %
[04:54] <Mez> as above ;)
[04:54] <tonyyarusso> ah, duh
[04:56] <LjL> anyway i forgot about frogzoo's edits now
[04:56] <LjL> !sound
[04:56] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[04:56] <LjL> !no sound is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[04:56] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:00] <Mez> !sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:00] <LjL> do we want Audacious in the list of players, since it's not in the official repos, even though it's packaged?
[05:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Mez
[05:00] <tonyyarusso> doubt it.  They should be apt-gettable
[05:00] <LjL> i tend to agree
[05:01] <LjL> Mez: careful :P
[05:01] <LjL> !search sound
[05:01] <ubotu> Found: sound,sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts,ni ripping,youtube sound,audioediting,esd,soundblaster,sound-#kubuntu,audio,ripping
[05:02] <LjL> !forget sound-#kubuntu ss <reply> if you're having problems with sound, first ensure arts
[05:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:02] <LjL> !sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:02] <ubotu> sound-#kubuntu is already known
[05:02] <LjL> !no sound-#kubuntu is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:02] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[05:03] <Mez> whoops
[05:04] <LjL> @lart Ubtu for not spotting typos
[05:24] <somerville32> I just noticed that LoCo bot is in #xubuntu and #ubuntu-bugs
[05:24] <somerville32> I get the following on join:
[05:24] <somerville32> -LoCoBot_2- #xubuntu: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!
[05:24] <somerville32> -LoCoBot_2- #ubuntu-bugs: The channel is logged (at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode). Please observe the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. Thank you!
[05:44] <KennethP>  I've been redirected to #ubuntu-read-topic. I've changed my port to 8001 and wonder how I then will be able to join #ubuntu not carrying and contamination with me...?
[05:45] <KennethP> *any
[05:45] <LjL> KennethP: i can test you if you don't mind
[05:45] <KennethP> sure go ahead
[05:45] <KennethP> Thanks!
[05:46] <LjL> KennethP: thank you for your patience
[05:47] <KennethP> and thanks for the Invite! ttyl
[05:47] <apokryphos> somerville32: already reported in #ubuntu-locoteams
[05:48] <apokryphos> waiting around for smurf
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Are you testing with /notice
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> ?
[06:05] <LjL> tonyyarusso: uh?
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Oh, never mind.
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> /invite
[06:06] <LjL> ah, yes
[06:06] <LjL> i just tested in PRIVMSG
[06:06] <tonyyarusso> I didn't know it worked in privmsg
[06:07] <LjL> i sure hope it does :o)
[06:07] <LjL> but i see no reason why it shouldn't, after all channel messages *are* just PRIVMSG
[06:37] <LjL> who's fleishwurst? #ubuntu+1
[06:37] <LjL> i see a lot of bans on him (well, on his host)
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:35]  * hanswurst (n=fleischw@i577BF14F.versanet.de) has joined #xfce
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  * wurstmann (n=fleischw@i577BF14F.versanet.de) has joined #xfce
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  <hanswurst> hi all :)
[06:38] <somerville32> [13:36]  <wurstmann> hi all :)
[06:38] <somerville32> It appears he gets around
[06:39] <LjL> well i don't have a strong reason for banning him again, but i sure don't like that
[06:41] <apokryphos> hmm
[06:43] <nalioth> LjL: listen carefully please (ALL OF YOU) fleischwurst is a troll who used to go by the nick of "neoxan".  if you don't want trouble, ban him.  he is known the network over for his crap
[06:43] <tonyyarusso> Ooooo, those are the same person eh?
[06:43] <LjL> nalioth, i could realize that quite easily, however i was waiting for a valid reason to ban him - i've had that
[06:44] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i just searched for versanet.de, and that tells enough
[06:45] <nalioth> nothing but trouble
[06:46] <nalioth> apokryphos: he changes proxies
[06:46] <apokryphos> might as well ban what he's using now though, since we know he's around ubuntu channels
[06:46] <LjL> nalioth: i suggest the other kind of ban too, he kept that information unchanged with the last three clones
[07:10] <gnomefreak> Mez: you here?
[07:14] <gnomefreak> Mez: few points to know before going and doing things on your own without checking with people if you dont already know. point 1 the CC does not need to approve any team other than loco teams so sending the email to the CC just spams their list (not to mention in the middle of sprint week. 2. what is wrong with classroom the way it is? i dont think pulling -classroom away from nun is gonna help it at all. 3 there needs to be a meeting ab
[07:15] <gnomefreak> nalioth: why am i on your Lp page?
[07:20] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i have no idea
[07:20] <gnomefreak> he posted it in the email
[07:20] <gnomefreak> you would have thought since he made a LP page he might have linked us to it but we got yours instead :(
[07:21] <nalioth> oh. you are AT my LP page, not "listed" on it
[07:22] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yep it was posted in the Ml entry
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: "to be a meeting ab..."
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> (so many meetings...)
[07:28] <tonyyarusso> :P
[07:32] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: cant change things that affect what 20+ people part of nun without a meeting
[07:32] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I absolutely agree with you.  I'm just amused by my sad attempts at scheduling this whole "life" thing...
[07:33] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: thats why its a team not mezs team not my team its everyones
[07:33] <gnomefreak> we help eachother (atleast used to)
[07:33] <tonyyarusso> right
[07:34] <tonyyarusso> Well, as part of that, I need to get to campus and get some things done.
[07:35] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: where is the link you had this morning
[07:35] <gnomefreak> about classes
[07:36] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/Ideas - that one?
[07:36] <gnomefreak> ty
[07:36] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:41] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: im sorry but if you want to add the bug class back feel free but i will no teach it until things get settled i work with people not for people (not torwards you at all)
[07:41] <gnomefreak> s/no/not
[07:59] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, pbureau said: ubotu - if lampp is load in init.d sure it will
[08:11] <LjL> nalioth: ping
[08:11] <LjL> nalioth: nevermind
[08:12] <LjL> nalioth: well look at -offtopic just for kicks
[08:13] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[08:15] <joejaxx> nalioth: what is that tor link you always used to show me?
[08:18] <joejaxx> nalioth: it was an article about it
[08:19] <nalioth> how tor isn't secure?
[08:19] <joejaxx> yes
[08:19] <LjL> it ain't?
[08:19] <gnomefreak> LjL: nope
[08:19] <gnomefreak> not like people think it is
[08:20] <LjL> well, what i think is that the connection is encrypted when it goes through the tor routers, and 1) the start node knows the route but not the contents 2) the end node knows the contents but not the route
[08:21] <nalioth> http://tor.unixgu.ru/
[08:22] <joejaxx> nalioth: thank you
[08:23] <Mez> gnomefreak: you're sadly mistaken that I went away for another linux distro
[08:25] <nalioth> the reason may be incorrect
[08:26] <apokryphos> Mez: wow, that's mine, except I still hung around :O
[08:26] <gnomefreak> maybe not but as i said i believe meaning i thought that is the reason i had heard
[08:26] <gnomefreak> but read everything else
[08:26] <Mez> gnomefreak, then obviously you didnt read it well enough
[08:26] <Mez> or thngs didnt come across as they were meant
[08:27] <Mez> I'd like to propose
[08:27] <Mez> seems to me that no decision has been made
[08:27] <somerville32> tonyyarusso, I'll teach anything that needs teaching. Just ask me if I know the topic first, haha
[08:27] <gnomefreak> what about the team you made without telling anyone
[08:28] <gnomefreak> that in itself is a decision that should have been asked or voted on first
[08:29] <gnomefreak> please feel free to correct how your email was supposed to mean and comment on it than but from what i see no meeting was ever asked about and the team was made
[08:29] <Mez> gnomefreak, surely you cant oppose that a team be made?
[08:30] <Mez> I mean - it's just a "unit" of people. whether that team be in launchpad or not - there still technically *IS* a team of people who *do* manage the classroom.
[08:30] <gnomefreak> Mez: the people of NUN made classroom. you taking it upon yourself to make a team before asking people what they think you had it set that you were leading this "team" and doesnt care what anyone else really thinks
[08:31] <Mez> gnomefreak, as I've said - there already IS a team, in a physical sense.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> or you wouldnt have gone and made the team without the ok of the community. i suggest this goes to the NUn mailing list to continue
[08:31] <ompaul> the function of a team is that team's if another team wants to take over that space, the first team better be defunct, or not in operation
[08:32] <somerville32> What does NUN stand for?
[08:32] <gnomefreak> new user network
[08:33] <ompaul> nalioth, .. just a minor ping - I have done what I said I would do
[08:33] <gnomefreak> somerville32: its there as a team to help new users to ubuntu get used to it and help them for the most part. atleast thats what it stood for when i applied
[08:33] <somerville32> Oh, right right
[08:33] <nalioth> ompaul: :)
[08:34] <ompaul> classroom was spawned out of it, as a result of somepersons words
[08:34] <ompaul> as in classroom was spawned from NUN is was I meant
[08:34] <ompaul> s/was/what/
[08:34] <gnomefreak> ompaul: we had a meeting in early jan or late dec we were bring classes back and we were gonna talk to motu about merging our classees
[08:34] <ompaul> that was a long day
[08:35] <ompaul> gnomefreak, well the way I would view that is that the "classroom" is a funtion room and let any group drive meetings in it - but as it is an IRC issue then the IRC council should the the ultimate keyholder
[08:35] <ompaul> function
[08:36] <ompaul> excuse my typos, I have had a very long hard day
[08:37] <gnomefreak> i read typos well and make them well too :)
[08:37] <nalioth> re ompaul: which is why -classroom allows ANY cloaked ubuntu member to operate in it
[08:38] <ompaul> nalioth, as I think we came up with in our original plan after the first lessons were run
[08:38] <gnomefreak> ompaul: correct as i found out
[08:38] <Mez> I hope that my latest email(s) clarify things
[08:41] <fdoving> can anyone post links to mail archive-threads? - it's impossible to not get interested in all the arguments/fresh debates in this channel :)
[08:41] <nalioth> lists.ubuntu.com  ubuntu-nun list fdoving
[08:42] <fdoving> ok. thanks.
[08:42] <fdoving> one of the few lists i'm not subscribed to.
[08:44] <gnomefreak> nalioth: the meeting we had in dec-janish where did we keep those logs? mixed in with ubuntulog's logs?
[08:46] <nalioth> i'm sure they are there, if the meeting was in -meeting
[08:46] <Mez> I'll see how i feeel about it in a couplem of days
[08:50] <fdoving> Mez: your suggestion is to make #ubuntu-classroom more like #ubuntu-meeting?
[08:50] <fdoving> .. but for classes..
[08:52] <ompaul> and maybe that NUN mail from me helps a little - think about the objective
[08:54] <fdoving> yeah, i completely agree.
[08:54] <Mez> ompaul, tahts the kind of feedback I was looking for
[08:55] <Mez> not "oh god mez is trying to split us up" or" oh mez is evil" (once again)
[08:55] <ompaul> Mez, that is a given }:->
[08:55] <Mez> :(
[08:56] <Mez> I'll dismiss taht comment for now as i have to go to work
[08:56] <Mez> but look forward to my blog post in the next few days people - it's going to be an interesting one
[08:57] <Mez> ffdoving: lol
[08:58] <Mez> y too much
[08:58] <Mez> no, i jusyt do waay too much
[08:59] <fdoving> but you know. kubuntu-team, kubuntu-members, kubuntu-beasties, as an example, could be merged to one.
[08:59] <fdoving> maybe leave kubuntu-members out of that merge, but you get the idea.
[08:59] <fdoving> having a team for every little thing becomes a mess when you do lots of stuff.
[09:11] <apokryphos> someone also needs to kill the Ubuntu United Kingdom Team
[09:14] <effie_jayx> jenda... I'm banned from ubuntu... what did I do?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> maybe the web/cgi
[09:15] <LjL> effie_jayx: probably just your cgi:irc gateway being banned
[09:15] <nalioth> effie_jayx: you're not cloaked
[09:16] <LjL> effie_jayx: yes, that is it, ircatwork.com is banned
[09:16] <LjL> i can set an exempt but i suppose if you have a cloak, just use it ;)
[09:16] <nalioth> LjL: set the +e, his cloak isn't working
[09:16] <LjL> k
[09:16] <nalioth> i'll look into it
[09:17] <effie_jayx> thanks :D
[09:17] <effie_jayx> no problem
[09:17] <effie_jayx> I am at the university and the IRC is not allowed :S
[09:17] <LjL> effie_jayx: can you join now?
[09:17] <nalioth> effie_jayx: dont you have an ubuntu cloak?
[09:18] <effie_jayx> nope
[09:18] <nalioth> then +e it'll be, i guess
[09:19] <effie_jayx> good
[09:19] <effie_jayx> I'mm done
[09:19] <effie_jayx> i'm in I was scared
[09:21] <LjL> heh
[11:34] <LjL> effie_jayx: can i remove the exempt now?
[11:35] <effie_jayx> yeap.. I'm bak home
[11:35] <effie_jayx> :D
[11:35] <LjL> well, the one for the nickname at least - not too comfortable with that
[11:35] <LjL> k
[11:35] <effie_jayx> sure go ahead.... sorry :D
[11:35] <LjL> no need to be, it's just a bit of a backdoor
[11:49] <nalioth> LjL: you might as well leave it, he joins each day with that hostmask
[11:50] <LjL> nalioth: i left the hostmask exempt, i just removed the effie_jayx!*@* exempt, that one didn't sound too good in the long run
[11:52] <nalioth> huh?
[11:53] <nalioth> if the hostmask has the exempt, ANYone can join from that interface, or it'll be useless next time he logs in
[11:54] <LjL> nalioth, i'm not quite following you. yes, the hostmask exempt won't work when he rejoins, *if* the gateway gives him a different cloak - i don't know how that works, whether it's a hash of the originating IP or what
[11:54] <LjL> but then having effie_jayx!*@* means that anybody with that *nickname* can join
[11:58] <nalioth> then give him a +I
[11:58] <nalioth> actually . . .
[12:01] <LjL> nalioth: actually?
[12:03] <effie_jayx> :S
[12:03] <LjL> oh well i'll set the +I
[12:03] <effie_jayx> lesson learned .. don't use www.ircatwork.com :S
[12:04] <LjL> effie_jayx, if you have no alternative...
[12:04] <LjL> i have an exempt set for myself on a CGI::IRC gateway too
[12:04] <effie_jayx> at work... no :S
[12:04] <LjL> effie_jayx, not much difference, you'll find one or the other banned anyway
[12:04] <LjL> actually we used to have *all* of them banned
[12:05] <effie_jayx> thing is the university is pretty tough on ports and I am under a network... and the port I was using was blocked... infact they only leave out 8080 for internet ...
[12:06] <LjL> same at my university
[12:06] <LjL> web only
[12:06] <LjL> and through a proxy
[12:07] <PriceChild> I had that problem
[12:07] <PriceChild> So then I got in touch with the techy people that run the networks, and they taught me how to use ssh to tunnel out irc
[12:07] <LjL> PriceChild: that needs a machine at home with a public IP though, i suppose
[12:08] <PriceChild> LjL, We've got a thing called "The Tower" here... about a dozen machines clustered that anyone can ssh into :)
[12:08] <LjL> well not everybody has that you know ;)
[12:08] <LjL> i have a machine always running, but then i don't have an IP
[12:09] <effie_jayx> yeahh the @ubuntu.com kinda helps :D
[12:10] <PriceChild> I was amazed when I found out they were running ubuntu :)
[12:10] <LjL> "of course it runs ubuntu"
[12:10] <LjL> ah no wait that's another unix
[12:15] <effie_jayx> ok
[12:15] <effie_jayx> gotta go guys .. thnks for all the helo