[12:28] <adamwest> but really, no one talks in ##gnome AT ALL and at ubuntu --- it's just a wrong time for me :P
[12:28] <maxamillion> adamwest: #ubuntu is a zoo 24/7 .... but it looks like you are running gentoo in that screenshot ... why not ask there?
[12:29] <gunny01>  tonyyarusso: is there anything special I have to make it accessable to others on the network?
[12:29] <tonyyarusso> gunny01: Tell them you're IP address.  Do you mean for them to see the pages, or to have write priviledges for it?  What are the specifics of your setup?
[12:29] <drx0drx0drx0> max, my option is to choose a different path, like /dev/hdc2 or /dev/evm/hdc2
[12:30] <adamwest> that's not my screenshot:) that's a theme, maxamillion
[12:30] <adamwest> :P
[12:30] <drx0drx0drx0> max, i tried both, but neither worked so I don't know what to enter... i can enter something else.
[12:31] <gunny01>  tonyyarusso: I want them to see the pages. I have A linux box 2 winxp boxes connected by a router.
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> gunny01: Then you shouldn't need to do much else.  Make sure that anything you put in /var/www/ is chmodded a+rx, but other than that, you're all set.
[12:33] <gunny01>  tonyyarusso: how do I find out my ip?
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> gunny01: Internal (LAN) IP or global (accessible outside of network) IP?
[12:33] <gunny01> internal
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> Use the 'ifconfig' command.
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> You can test it by putting http://the.ip.it.says in your browser.
[12:35] <gunny01> thnx
[12:36] <Jester45> hello
[12:36] <Gryfft> I've got a broadcom card in this laptop, so that means ndiswrapper. I've done everything right so far as I can tell... and it's still not working.
[12:37] <maxamillion> Gryfft: doesn't always mean ndiswrapper ... what chipset is it?
[12:37] <maxamillion> Jester45: hiya
[12:39] <Gryfft> I will be SO HAPPY if it doesn't mean ndiswrapper.
[12:39] <Gryfft> But I think it does..  One second while I look up the chipset.
[12:39] <maxamillion> okies
[12:40] <Gryfft> pci id != chipset, huh.
[12:41] <Gryfft> pci id is 14e4:4318.
[12:42] <mark488> basic Q: i don't see an md5 checker in the apps menu.  is there one available via terminal?
[12:42] <maxamillion> Gryfft: its a pcmcia card?
[12:43] <Gryfft> Remind me what that means?
[12:43] <Gryfft> It's integrated, and pci, not usb.
[12:44] <maxamillion> yeah
[12:44] <maxamillion> do "lspcmcia | grep Broadcom"
[12:46] <Gryfft> nothing happens.
[12:47] <maxamillion> uhmmm...
[12:48] <maxamillion> "lspci | grep Broadcom"
[12:48] <maxamillion> it might be a minipci
[12:48] <Gryfft> yeop.
[12:48] <maxamillion> what's it say?
[12:48] <Gryfft> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  812.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[12:49] <Gryfft> 802 but you know what I mean.
[12:49] <synic> Gryfft: I have that same laptop, same card.  It works for me without ndiswrapper
[12:49] <Gryfft> In the words of homer simpson: explain how!
[12:49] <synic> modprobe bcm43xx
[12:49] <Gryfft> ok. no output.
[12:50] <synic> iwlist scan
[12:50] <Gryfft> eth1 pulls up no scan results...
[12:50] <synic> is the light on?
[12:50] <Gryfft> and for some weird reason it's calling it eth1 rather than wlan0. no ligh.t
[12:50] <synic> dmesg
[12:50] <synic> yeah, it calls it eth1
[12:50] <synic> not all cards come up as wlan
[12:51] <Gryfft> thank you. reassurance is a beautiful, beautiful thing.
[12:51] <Gryfft> bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[12:51] <Gryfft> the last three lines of the output from dmesg.
[12:51] <synic> are you no on edgy?
[12:51] <Gryfft> Xubuntu Edgy, yeah
[12:51] <synic> er.. .not
[12:52] <synic> install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[12:52] <maxamillion> stop!!!
[12:52] <maxamillion> no no ... bcm4318 needs ndiswrapper
[12:52] <synic> maxamillion: no, it doesn't
[12:52] <Gryfft> uh oh...
[12:53] <synic> Gryfft: install that and give me one sec, I have to find out what you do after that.
[12:53] <maxamillion> synic: yeah, it does ... dell laptops at my work use that minipci card, the issue i assume he is having is that he is loading the wrong driver into ndiswrapper
[12:53] <Gryfft> Okay..
[12:53] <synic> maxamillion: I have the same card/laptop as he has, and bcm43xx works fine.
[12:54] <synic> /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh  <-- run this
[12:54] <synic> rmmod bcm43xx
[12:54] <synic> modprobe bcm43xx
[12:54] <Gryfft> I think I already installed fwcutter..
[12:54] <Gryfft> how would I ascertain that?
[12:54] <synic> wouldn't hurt to run it again.
[12:54] <maxamillion> the bcm4318 does work in bcm43xx, but not the minipci from dell... it needs ndiswrapper
[12:55] <Gryfft> I'm missing a destination file operand. And I'm on a compaq :-)
[12:55] <synic> maxamillion: ah, yeah, in the compaq's, it does infact work
[12:55] <maxamillion> synic: ah, okies
[12:55] <synic> Gryfft: what is the last line you see when you run that script?
[12:55] <Gryfft> the install?
[12:56] <synic> no, this:
[12:56] <synic> sudo /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh
[12:56] <Gryfft> synic: The install hasn't worked, but I'll do that one sec
[12:56] <synic> wait, the apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter didn't work?
[12:57] <Gryfft> ah, I forgot apt-get. selftroutage.
[12:57] <synic> hah
[12:58] <Gryfft> Okayy, it didn't end with an error but there's an error up there in the microcode part..
[12:58] <synic> yeah, that one is ok
[12:58] <synic> so reload the module, and hopefully it works
[12:58] <Gryfft> modprobe ndiswrapper?
[12:58] <synic> rmmod ndiswrapper, then modprobe it again
[01:00] <Gryfft> rrmmodding it informed me module ndiswrapper does not exist in proc/modules.
[01:00] <synic> er... sorry, bcm43xx
[01:00] <synic> <-- retard
[01:00] <Gryfft> sok, thanks
[01:00] <synic> yeah, make sure ndiswrapper isn't loaded, or it will screw things up
[01:00] <Gryfft> oh, ok...
[01:01] <Gryfft> rmmod ndiswrapper?
[01:01] <synic> yeah
[01:01] <Gryfft> how many different ways to I have to kill it?
[01:01] <Gryfft> other than rmmod
[01:01] <synic> that's it
[01:01] <drx0drx> btw, what does cloing for autoyast do?
[01:01] <Gryfft> ok
[01:01] <synic> then reload bcm43xx
[01:01] <maxamillion> Gryfft: i don't think there is any other way since its a module
[01:02] <Gryfft> ok. sudo modprobe bcm43xx.
[01:02] <maxamillion> Gryfft: nobody knows ... yast is like a science fiction novel, it just kinda happens
[01:02] <Gryfft> no output.
[01:02] <maxamillion> Gryfft: shouldn't have output ;)
[01:02] <synic> did the light come on this time?
[01:02] <Gryfft> ZOMG
[01:02] <drx0drx> THANK YOU ALL!  That helped me get past the problem.
[01:03] <Gryfft> houston, we have a little blue light.
[01:03] <drx0drx> (I didn't know I could get away without a second boot loader)
[01:03] <synic> Gryfft: your iwlist scan should bring up your AP
[01:03] <drx0drx> btw, why don't I get a GUI inside a XEN Linux VM (startx fails)?
[01:03] <Gryfft> hmm.
[01:04] <Gryfft> WiFi radar is scanning now...
[01:05] <Gryfft> nothing's coming up, and since I'm on campus I should be getting something :-(
[01:05] <Gryfft> but at least I know the card is online. We're getting there.
[01:05] <synic> try pressing the button for the radio
[01:05] <Gryfft> YES!
[01:05] <Gryfft> haha
[01:05] <Gryfft> I love you
[01:05] <synic> haha
[01:05] <maxamillion> Gryfft: what interface is the wifi card?
[01:06] <Gryfft> Sorry to spam up the channel with joy... uhm, hitting the radio button did it.
[01:10] <Gryfft> iwlist scan still isn't coming up with any results, but WiFi radar is seeing a few connections. Also, is there another package I need to download to connect to WPA?
[01:11] <synic> I've never used WPA
[01:11] <synic> network-manager-gnome might work
[01:12] <Gryfft> Now just got to figure out how to acquire an IP address. At least I'm on more familiar footing at this point... what's the command line for scanning the wireless, again?
[01:15] <maxamillion> bah! ... i just found a link for Gryfft
[01:15] <Jester45>  A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. <------- i think thats a good one
[01:15] <maxamillion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo <--- just incase he comes back and i'm not here
[01:15] <maxamillion> Gryfft: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo <-- WPA how to :)
[01:15] <Gryfft> Sorry, back. Thanks!
[01:16] <maxamillion> Jester45: but i open windows all the time ... i'm actually walking in a Terminal window using irssi right now :)
[01:16] <maxamillion> Jester45: should say something like "when you use windows"
[01:19] <Gryfft> So, what was the scan command from the command line again?
[01:19] <synic> iwlist scan
[01:20] <Toran> OK, I /win close
[01:20] <Gryfft> synic: can you connect over the command line?
[01:20] <synic> yeah, dhclient eth1
[01:21] <Gryfft> sudo, I tell myself time and again. grr.
[01:21] <maxamillion> it will come to you
[01:21] <Gryfft> It's like the Simon Says of linux!
[01:22] <maxamillion> i actually catch myself using sudo on my debian server that don't have sudo ... so when i am root doing admin functions i'm like "sudo foo bar" and it spits out "sudo: unrecognized commans" .. its fun
[01:22] <Jester45> A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open Windows. <------- i think thats a good one and fixed
[01:23] <Jester45> plus maxamillion if i said when you use windows that could still mean a window on *nix but a W fixes that
[01:23] <maxamillion> rgr
[01:24] <DarthLappy> maxamillion: Why not install sudo on it :)
[01:24] <maxamillion> DarthLappy: don't need to, i'm the only one allowed to admin it ... i have another server that i just use ubuntu on because its easier to ad users to the sudo-ers group and have an "admin team"
[01:25] <DarthLappy> Aha.
[01:25] <Jester45> maxamillion: i have the same type of problem i use the "show desktop" button alot
[01:25] <Jester45> maxamillion: doesnt work on windows :0 stupid start bar
[01:25] <DarthLappy> You can get show desktop on Windows >_<
[01:25] <Jester45> and yes i know i can move the button
[01:26] <Jester45> DarthLappy: not at school i cant
[01:26] <DarthLappy> Use the shortcut key.
[01:26] <Jester45> ?
[01:26] <DarthLappy> Winkey-D
[01:27] <Jester45> that opens the start menu
[01:27] <DarthLappy> No it doesn't.
[01:27] <Jester45> does to
[01:27] <DarthLappy> Press them together >_<
[01:27] <Jester45> o
[01:27] <Toran> ok, so I installed amarok with aptitude, and now it's crashing. What should I do?
[01:28] <Toran> Floating point exception (core dumped)
[01:28] <Toran> (is the error)
[01:29] <drx0drx> I'm root but it won't let me change my NIC settings (ip, etc), the buttons are grayed out.
[01:29] <somerville32> Toran: File a bug report
[01:29] <somerville32> !bugs | Toran
[01:29] <ubotu> Toran: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[01:31] <adamwest> guys, my CTRL-ALT-SPACEBAR shortcut doesn't work D:
[01:32] <Jester45> huummm
[01:36] <adamwest> ctrl-alt-backspace didn't get me to gdm D:
[01:38] <bur[n] er> composite wasn't part of edgy right?  this is new to feisty?
[01:39] <tonyyarusso> bur[n] er: It's been available since Dapper, the question is whether it will become default.
[01:40] <bur[n] er> tonyyarusso: the composite in xfwm?  I had no idea... i didn't see it in my edgy installation
[01:40] <tonyyarusso> bur[n] er: Compositing can be done with a few differnt things.  Not sure which is preferred for XFCE
[01:41] <bur[n] er> tonyyarusso: using feisty?  I'll show you a screenshot
[01:41] <maxamillion> bur[n] er: no ... composite has been around for a long time, it just isn't enabled by default in edgy
[01:42] <tonyyarusso> bur[n] er: I am, yes.
[01:42] <bur[n] er> maxamillion: the one in xfce under the "window manager tweaks" ??
[01:42] <maxamillion> bur[n] er: yup
[01:43] <maxamillion> bur[n] er: in edgy you just have to tweak a couple config files and restart xfwm
[01:44] <bur[n] er> crazy, wish i'd have known
[01:44] <bur[n] er> oh well... i've taken teh plunge and it's not so unstable
[01:45] <bur[n] er> http://localhost/screenshot-xfwm-composite.png
[01:45] <tonyyarusso> bur[n] er: replace localhost
[01:45] <bur[n] er> er... http://burner.ath.cx/screenshot-xfwm-composite.png :)
[01:46] <DarthLappy> bur[n] er: Nice :)
[01:46] <bur[n] er> :)
[01:47] <bur[n] er> I'm just trying out iconbox.  i'm not sure if i'll like this taskbarless interface, but macs are neat ;)
[01:49] <maxamillion> bur[n] er: yeah, i've actually heard people talk about how feisty has proven to be more stable for them then edgy so far
[02:05] <drx0drx> any of you geniuses know how to make GNOME work in a Xen guest?
[02:06] <bur[n] er> I know how to make ubuntu work in a VMWare guest :)  or a virtualbox guest :)
[02:11] <mark488> what md5 checker comes w/xubuntu?
[02:12] <DarthLappy> md5sum
[02:14] <mark488> thanks.  how do i call it?  md5sum filemane #    ?  or will man give that info?
[02:15] <ShoeUnited> !sounds
[02:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sounds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <ShoeUnited> !sound
[02:15] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[02:16] <ShoeUnited> !theme
[02:16] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[02:17] <ShoeUnited> !changethemes
[02:17] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[02:18] <DarthLappy> ShoeUnited: You can /msg the bot those, y'know :)
[02:19] <somerville32> !investigate
[02:19] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:19] <drx0drx> I can't start GNOME... "Fatal server error" "xf86OpenConsole"
[02:19] <somerville32> drx0drx, Please see #ubuntu for support for Ubuntu. :)
[02:20] <ShoeUnited> sorry DarthLappy  >.>
[02:23] <somerville32> It's ok :)
[02:24] <ShoeUnited> :)
[02:25] <ShoeUnited> It's bugging me though, I like XFCE's look and low processor use, but I miss Gnome's theme manager.  I don't suppose I could mix and match. :/  but there isn't even xfskin :(
[02:25] <ShoeUnited> And I'm not knowledgeable enough to muck around and make things work. lol
[02:25] <Jester45> you can use ubuntu temes in xfce
[02:26] <ShoeUnited> Yeah, but I kinda want to use different sound packs, and other stuff from the net.
[02:26] <Jester45> o
[02:26] <ShoeUnited> Icons cursors etc.
[02:26] <Jester45> you can change that also
[02:26] <ShoeUnited> Link to a guide?
[02:27] <ShoeUnited> cause for the ~/.themes directory I had to make my own.  And I found a /usr/share/sounds  but none of those play in the os and I don't know how to activate them. :s
[02:27] <Jester45> i dont know how or where to get a HowTo but you can do it also you can allways replace the default files with new ones
[02:27] <ShoeUnited> Let alone change them or install new.
[02:28] <ShoeUnited> hrmmm
[02:29] <Jester45> google might now :)
[02:29] <Jester45> know
[02:29] <ShoeUnited> I might just tear apart the xubuntu artwork deb and see how its constructed.
[02:29] <Jester45> seems like a lot of work
[02:30] <somerville32> Not really
[02:30] <Jester45> you could just replace files after you find them
[02:30] <drx0drx> anyone know how to change the text mode display driver?  is there a way to load a driver from a CD?
[02:31] <ShoeUnited> I was thinking it might be easier to read where the deb is sending the files and what instructions it was using to add it to the UI S than to hen peck and maybe miss some needed coding.
[02:32] <Jester45> use synaptic it tells you all the places files were installed
[02:33] <ShoeUnited> ah I see :D
[02:33] <mark488> hi, i'm trying to burn a cd iso to disc.  xfburn "finishes" without writing, and says "Use	cdrecord dev=help
[02:33] <mark488> to get a list of possible SCSI transport specifiers." ?  My drive is atapi.   Sys's response to the cdrecord dev=help command includes:    cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.17-10-generic
[02:33] <mark488> cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
[02:33] <mark488> cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
[02:34] <mark488> does xubuntu come with cd burning s/w supported by 2.6?
[02:35] <Jester45> yes
[02:36] <Jester45> try growiso fs -typeofdisc -Z /dev/path /files/to/burn
[02:36] <Jester45> should be something close to that
[02:36] <Jester45> you might need to add somthing after the /dev/path to tel growisofs that the file is iso and to burn it as one
[02:37] <mark488> interesting... thanks
[02:37] <mark488> any idea why xfburn was pointing me toward scsi options?
[02:38] <Jester45> i dont know why
[02:38] <Jester45> i removed xfburn right away
[02:39] <mark488> funny.  i was about to ask why it was included if it's not compatible with this version of the kernel.
[02:41] <Jester45> i remove about 30 packages on first start
[02:42] <Jester45> good old bash script
[02:43] <mark488> wow.  are many of the ~30 are non-functional?  if so, i wonder why they were included in dist.
[02:43] <RememberPOL> How can I get the xfce menus ("Applications") to display in a different language?
[02:44] <RememberPOL> My system language is russian and the other menus (gaim,firefox) and the xfce setting dialogs are in russian...but the dropdown menus are still in english
[02:45] <Jester45> idk
[02:46] <RememberPOL> 
[02:54] <RememberPOL> Any ideas?
[03:23] <mortal5> can anyone help me find the original sources.list for xubuntu?
[03:24] <mortal5> I messed mine up, and I'd like to pull it off the cd or website if it's availible
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> !sources
[03:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[03:24] <tonyyarusso> !easysource
[03:24] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:25] <mortal5> ...I need vanila source list for Xubuntu
[03:26] <mortal5> not ubuntu
[03:26] <somerville32> mortal5, They are the same.
[03:26] <tonyyarusso> They're the same
[03:27] <mortal5> well here's the deal, I copied over my source list from ubuntu
[03:27] <mortal5> and it said it couldn't add the cdrom source
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> apt-cdrom add
[03:28] <mortal5> ty ty
[03:28] <mortal5> i dof my hat to you sir
[03:28] <somerville32> :)
[03:28] <somerville32> Feel free to hang out and stay awhile! :)
[03:29] <mortal5> :)
[03:46] <tonyyarusso> How can I set a keyboard shortcut to switch workspaces?
[03:47] <tonyyarusso> The only shortcut thing I can find wants commands, and I don't know the command for that.
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> In gnome there's a list of actions to choose from.
[03:48] <somerville32> Allncjaycrbo V O.yycbio V <rptolaj.
[03:48] <tonyyarusso> lol
[03:50] <somerville32> applications >
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> Applications > Settings >
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> Workspaces
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> um...
[03:52] <somerville32> <cber,o Mabai.p
[03:52] <somerville32> Gbe.p yd. t.fxrape yax
[03:53] <tonyyarusso> Window Manager
[03:53] <somerville32> zm. breov
[03:53] <somerville32> yes
[03:54] <tonyyarusso> Under the keyboard tab
[03:55] <somerville32> yes
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> 'k
[03:55] <somerville32> S)
[03:55] <tonyyarusso> Ah, beautious.
[03:56] <tonyyarusso> That must have confused a few people
[03:58] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:58] <somerville32> hi
[03:59] <Prisoner_> running Kubuntu right now, thinking of trying xubuntu
[03:59] <Prisoner_> running on an old 400mhz AMDk6 with 384 MB Ram
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> Gnome/XFCE/Enlightenment here - join the club of multi-desktoppers
[04:00] <somerville32> Prisoner_, I have a 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram
[04:00] <tonyyarusso> I should see what KDE looks like these days
[04:00] <crimsun> I'm running kubuntu.org's 3.5.6 on 7.04. It seems fine.
[04:00] <Prisoner_> I have a Windows box I'm planning to dual boot with Linux, trying it out on this old clunker first
[04:00] <somerville32> :)
[04:01] <marshcast> hey there, yon x users... i have a q...
[04:02] <marshcast> I've been trying to make this machine so people can't play with the panel etc... and in order to do it have changed the permissions of the folder ~/.config/xfce4/panel...
[04:03] <somerville32> There is a kios mode
[04:03] <Prisoner_> it's pushing the RAM pretty hard and I ahve 384MB on this thing
[04:03] <marshcast> and now I only have default icons (Apps & firefox) and can't make any or modify my panel
[04:03] <somerville32> Prisoner_, Xfce4 or Kde?
[04:04] <marshcast> somerville32, yeah - so i see (now :/)
[04:04] <Prisoner_> KDE
[04:04] <marshcast> my prob is geting something on the panel now - if I log out then I lose any alterations
[04:04] <marshcast> --- I have changed the permissions back - but tno joy
[04:04] <marshcast> :(
[04:05] <marshcast> any sugestions? (greatly, greatly appreciated, mind..)
[04:05] <Prisoner_> I changed over from gnome just to try KDE
[04:05] <somerville32> Is "Save session" or w/e checked off when you sign out?
[04:05] <somerville32> Prisoner_, Xfce4 is a lot lighter memory wise
[04:05] <Prisoner_> this is the first time I've used it so I haven't signed off yet
[04:06] <somerville32> Er..
[04:06] <somerville32> marshcast, , Xfce4 is a lot lighter memory wise
[04:06] <somerville32> Oh wait
[04:06] <somerville32> : /
[04:06] <somerville32> marshcast, Is "Save session" or w/e checked off when you sign out?
[04:06] <marshcast> somerville32, me? - i have save set to save the session..
[04:06] <somerville32> Then it should work :)
[04:06] <somerville32> But it doesn't?
[04:07] <marshcast> somerville32,  but not sure what the w/e is...?
[04:07] <somerville32> Are you sure the permissions are set correctly?
[04:07] <Prisoner_> The box I plan to run it on is 512MB RAM and an AMD Sempron 1.583GHZ CPU
[04:07] <somerville32> w/e means what ever
[04:07] <somerville32> Prisoner_, Xubuntu or Kubuntu?
[04:07] <Prisoner_> haven't decided yet
[04:07] <somerville32> :] 
[04:07] <Prisoner_> seeing how KDE is pushing the RAM on this thing, I may try Xubuntu
[04:08] <Prisoner_> Xubuntu can dual boot?
[04:08] <marshcast> somerville32, Aaahhhh... well... yeah - i thought of that - session is set to save - all perms are back to norm ( i think - i set folder to 644 - but have tried 744 -- don't suppose I could ask what yours are set to???)
[04:08] <marshcast> Prisoner_, yes] 
[04:08] <Prisoner_> good
[04:09] <marshcast> Prisoner_, perfectly ;)
[04:09] <Prisoner_> I ran the advisor for Windows Vista and it's telling me my system might not handle it
[04:09] <Prisoner_> I read a review of XFCE4 and it looks pretty cool, also trying the LiveCD
[04:11] <Prisoner_> if it works, I might be weaning myself off Windoze
[04:11] <marshcast> Prisoner_, could you do me a favour?
[04:11] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:11] <marshcast> could you tell me the permissions of your .config/xfce4/panel dir?
[04:12] <marshcast> Prisoner_, do you know how to look at that?
[04:13] <DarthLappy> marshcast: drwx------ 2 angus angus 4096 2007-01-26 12:19 panel
[04:13] <Prisoner_> not sure how to do that
[04:13] <somerville32> Mine is 700
[04:14] <marshcast> Prisoner_, ls -l thanks DarthLappy  - and is everything in it 644? (rw-r--r--) if you 'ls -l' it
[04:14] <DarthLappy> marshcast: Yeap.
[04:14] <marshcast> ok - thanks gents.
[04:15] <marshcast> new question - can I reset my desktop manager without logging out? is there somehting i can kill?
[04:15] <Prisoner_> I'm running KDE not XFCE
[04:16] <somerville32> marshcast, xfdesktop
[04:17] <marshcast> ok Prisoner_ - it's fine - thanks - but fyi if you go to a term and type 'ls -l' it will give you the permissions of all the files in the folder your in on the left hand side of the listing...
[04:17] <Prisoner_> cool
[04:17] <Prisoner_> I have alot to learn
[04:18] <somerville32> Prisoner_, You can also use the file  browser to see that data
[04:18] <somerville32> Generally you just rich click the file and click properties
[04:18] <somerville32> *right
[04:18] <DarthLappy> somerville32: That involves the mouse >_<
[04:18] <somerville32> :] 
[04:19] <DarthLappy> Though the file manager looks really nice :P
[04:19] <somerville32> :)
[04:19] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:19] <marshcast> Hey hey! i think it kept it... ;D.
[04:19] <somerville32> :] 
[04:20] <DarthLappy> \o/
[04:20] <marshcast> gonna go check it out proper... thanks gents :)
[04:21] <DarthLappy> :( I only have 14MB free RAM
[04:22] <somerville32> I have 53mb left
[04:23] <Jester45> of?
[04:23] <somerville32> Memory
[04:23] <Jester45> o
[04:23] <DarthLappy> Out of?
[04:23] <Jester45> you know
[04:23] <Jester45> azureus uses a lot of memory
[04:24] <somerville32> 256mb
[04:24] <Jester45> somerville32: what are you wondering about and what are you running
[04:26] <Jester45> buysealand.com
[04:27] <Jester45> i donated to that
[04:27] <Prisoner_> 32.74 mb free here, and I have 384mb
[04:27] <Jester45> 748mb free i have 2g
[04:27] <Prisoner_> I'm going to try XFCE for sure now
[04:28] <Jester45> lol
[04:28] <Jester45> you show
[04:28] <Jester45> should
[04:28] <Prisoner_> it also is pushing this 400mhz processor hard
[04:28] <tonyyarusso> I really really wish adding KDE didn't clutter up your menus in Gnome and XFCE
[04:28] <Jester45> OC it
[04:29] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:29] <Prisoner_> have to open up the box for that, don't feel like doing it now, maybe later
[04:29] <Prisoner_> AMD CPUs are overclock friendly
[04:30] <Jester45> you better have good cooling
[04:30] <Prisoner_> I know
[04:30] <Prisoner_> that's why I've never done it
[04:31] <Jester45> lol my mobo has pins for somthing i changed them around and got 3.05mhz more :)
[04:31] <Prisoner_> AMD k6 CPUs don't run as hot as some
[04:31] <Prisoner_> jumper blocks need to be changed, might be worth a try
[04:32] <Jester45> hehe
[04:32] <Prisoner_> having fun in Linux
[04:32] <Prisoner_> gonna check out now, have fun, will be back again
[04:33] <Jester45> squez a little more out
[04:38] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, i got 4.4.0 installed :)
[04:39] <Jester45> cool
[04:39] <Jester45> anything exciting?
[04:41] <somerville32> hehe
[04:46] <Jester45> anything cool about it?
[04:46] <Jester45> new features?
[04:47] <somerville32> A few things in Thunar
[04:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, transparent windows...
[04:49] <somerville32> bigfuzzyjesus, Thats in Edgy and Dapper already
[04:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, well i didnt know that so la de da
[04:49] <bigfuzzyjesus> lol
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, but... the batch rename in thunar is nice
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> digital camera pictures...
[04:50] <somerville32> The bulk renamer is in Edgy and Dapper too
[04:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> somerville32, i didnt know that either
[04:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> im not very observant
[04:54] <Jester45> lol
[04:55] <Jester45> its in the menu
[04:55] <Jester45> NO!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:56] <Jester45> thepiratebay's DB is down
[04:56] <bigfuzzyjesus> Jester45, that sucx0rz, i want them to by a micronation....
[04:57] <Jester45> i donated to them
[04:57] <Jester45> i wanna my dvds
[04:57] <Jester45> but i want my money back if they go offline :)
[05:00] <Jester45> http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/sinkingship.jpg <----- poor old TPB
[05:05] <somerville32> <-- Offtopic
[05:05] <Jester45> im just waiting for someone to talk in there
[05:17] <Jester45> anyone know how to auto downgrade azureus
[05:22] <Jester45> bigfuzzyjesus: new xfce problems??
[05:32] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[05:34] <Jester45> hi
[05:35] <somerville32> hi
[05:38] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[05:38] <Jester45> hi
[05:39] <Commander-Crowe> hi
[05:41] <Jester45> hi
[05:41] <delaney> Can anyone let me know what version of XFCE is currently in the repositories for feisty?
[05:41] <somerville32> delaney,  4.4.0
[05:42] <delaney> somerville32, rc1 rc2 or stable?
[05:42] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[05:42] <Commander-Crowe> whatever is latest
[05:42] <Jester45> stable
[05:42] <delaney> stable.
[05:42] <delaney> RAD
[05:42] <delaney> thanks!
[05:42] <somerville32> :)
[05:42] <crimsun> actually we just took 4.0.2 and retagged it as 4.4.0
[05:42] <crimsun> nostalgia wins again.
[05:42] <delaney> crimsun, lol
[05:42] <Jester45> cheaters
[05:44] <crimsun> win 24
[05:44] <crimsun> oops
[05:44] <Commander-Crowe> nostalgia
[05:44] <Commander-Crowe> ?
[05:45] <jjwoznia> i hate to interrupt
[05:45] <Jester45> np
[05:46] <jjwoznia> but i was just looking for anyone who has used xubuntu on pentium 2 mahince?
[05:46] <jjwoznia> mahince=machine
[05:46] <Jester45> yes?
[05:47] <crimsun> I'm using it on a Pentium if that matters.
[05:47] <Jester45> i got a pII
[05:47] <jjwoznia> and it runs fairly well?
[05:47] <Jester45> umm
[05:48] <Jester45> its cli only so yea
[05:48] <crimsun> it runs sufficiently "well" for me not to toss it out the window in frustration.
[05:48] <jjwoznia> i see, are you guys running it off the cd or as an hd install?
[05:49] <somerville32> hd install
[05:49] <Jester45> hd
[05:49] <Jester45> i think DSL is only good from cd
[05:49] <Jester45> becuase i load it to ram
[05:50] <jjwoznia> i have used that before
[05:50] <jjwoznia> but i would consider myself a linux newb
[05:50] <jjwoznia> it was a little to raw for me
[05:51] <Jester45> somerville32: what about knoppix ? puppy?
[05:51] <somerville32> no
[05:52] <jjwoznia> i've run knoppix before, back at v 4-ish
[05:52] <Jester45> o
[05:52] <Jester45> o
[05:52] <Jester45> O
[05:52] <jjwoznia> ive never tried puppy
[05:53] <jjwoznia> im actually rebounding from an almost happy attempt with freebsd:(
[05:53] <jjwoznia> yeah that made me mad too
[05:54] <jjwoznia> on an old p1 sony vaio
[05:54] <jjwoznia> dsl was quite amazing
[05:54] <jjwoznia> gui or cli?
[05:55] <Commander-Crowe> GUI
[05:55] <Commander-Crowe> it had a 2 MB video card
[05:55] <Jester45> oo
[05:55] <jjwoznia> sounds like my old vaio
[05:56] <jjwoznia> whats puppy based on?
[05:56] <Commander-Crowe> hrm, itself
[05:56] <Jester45> lol
[05:56] <Jester45> knoppix right?
[05:57] <Commander-Crowe> no
[05:57] <Commander-Crowe> its of its own
[05:57] <Jester45> o
[05:57] <jjwoznia> as long as adding software doesnt involve compiling from source
[05:58] <jjwoznia> that was the death of bsd for me
[05:58] <jjwoznia> it was like gentoo
[05:58] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[05:58] <Commander-Crowe> You wern't told about ports then
[05:58] <jjwoznia> well i foud the prebuilt binaries
[05:59] <jjwoznia> foud=found
[05:59] <jjwoznia> quite a few too many dependeencies problems
[05:59] <jjwoznia> i guess linux just spoiled me :)
[05:59] <Jester45> apt is nice
[05:59] <Commander-Crowe> yeah you should've tried Ports first
[05:59] <Jester45> or deb or what ever you may call it
[05:59] <Commander-Crowe> yeah it is
[06:00] <jjwoznia> im not knockin bsd
[06:00] <jjwoznia> if i had a newer machine, with a little more kick
[06:00] <jjwoznia> it would have been perfect
[06:01] <Jester45> like my new one is gonna be
[06:01] <Jester45> cant wait
[06:01] <jjwoznia> what are you getting?
[06:01] <Jester45> spring is so far off
[06:01] <Commander-Crowe> I have the newest BSD running on a 486 right now
[06:01] <Jester45> and i got its ram all ready :(
[06:01] <Commander-Crowe> 66 MHz
[06:02] <Jester45> lol why
[06:02] <Jester45> it cant do much
[06:02] <Jester45> some cli text editing?
[06:02] <Commander-Crowe> yes, yes it can
[06:02] <Commander-Crowe> it is very powerful in CLI mode
[06:02] <jjwoznia> you'd be surprised how much <100 mhz machine can do
[06:02] <Commander-Crowe> i'm a cli kinda guy
[06:03] <Commander-Crowe> I have it in front of this machine running as a firewall/router
[06:03] <Jester45> jjwoznia: im getting a core duo with 4g ram 2 140 gm drives and gigabit ethernet
[06:03] <Jester45> gb*
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[06:03] <Jester45> Commander-Crowe: i got a d link for that
[06:04] <Jester45> Commander-Crowe: you may have more options with yours but mine has higher cpu :)
[06:04] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[06:05] <Commander-Crowe> mine cost less
[06:05] <Jester45> jjwoznia: it comes with 1g ram and i have 3 more sitting on my desk..... driving me crazy
[06:06] <jjwoznia> i bet
[06:06] <jjwoznia> what kind of gpu hardware?
[06:06] <Commander-Crowe> I have a Core 2 Duo here running Xubuntu
[06:06] <Commander-Crowe> with 1GB rsm
[06:06] <Commander-Crowe> ram
[06:06] <somerville32> Computer: serenity | Distro: Ubuntu 7.04 "feisty" | Processor: 334.85Mhz | Model: Celeron (Mendocino) | Memory: 250MB Free: 44MB [            ]  | Diskspace: 40.07GB Free: 6.95GB | Video: S3 Inc. Savage 4 @ 1024x768 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 0.51GB Up: 43.57MB
[06:06] <somerville32> ^^ thats my box
[06:06] <Jester45> jjwoznia: umm nothing special right now
[06:07] <bur[n] er> /home/burner/infobash.sh: 56: DEBUG: not found
[06:07] <bur[n] er> /home/burner/infobash.sh: 94: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[06:07] <bur[n] er> doh... guess I can't share things about my pc ;)
[06:07] <Jester45> hi bur[n] er
[06:07] <bur[n] er> hola
[06:08] <Jester45> somerville32: how you get the net up/down thingy
[06:08] <somerville32> Jester45: ifconfig
[06:08] <Jester45> o copy/pasted ?
[06:08] <somerville32> No
[06:09] <somerville32> Output is generated by a script
[06:09] <Jester45> o
[06:09] <jjwoznia> cool
[06:10] <somerville32> yup
[06:10] <jjwoznia> well im off to sleepy land
[06:10] <Commander-Crowe> somerville32, what script?
[06:11] <jjwoznia> ive never irc before
[06:11] <jjwoznia> super helpful, thanks guys
[06:11] <bur[n] er> irc rewlz 4 sh00r
[06:12] <jjwoznia> after today, i concur
[06:13] <Jester45>  RX bytes:26950919782 (25.1 GiB)  TX bytes:39621073305 (36.9 GiB)
[06:13] <Jester45> thats all i get
[06:13] <Jester45> well amount wise
[06:16] <Commander-Crowe> RX bytes: (8.3 MiB)  TX bytes: (2.3 MiB)
[06:16] <Commander-Crowe> dial up
[06:16] <somerville32> hehe
[06:17] <Jester45> lol sorry
[06:17] <Jester45> well all that isnt internet i think
[06:17] <Commander-Crowe> I have a printer being shared from a linux machine to a windows network via smb enabled
[06:18] <Jester45> beucase it eth0 so its my LAN also
[06:18] <Commander-Crowe> how do i tell what the path to this printer is so i can add it to the windows network?
[06:18] <Jester45> ip:port
[06:18] <Jester45> maybe ip:port/some/directory
[06:19] <Commander-Crowe> port?
[06:19] <Commander-Crowe> what port would it be on?
[06:19] <Jester45> look at samba
[06:19] <Jester45> im just guessing
[06:19] <Jester45> i think thats how printers are managed
[06:20] <Jester45> like a server
[06:20] <Jester45> but the files are sent to printer not hd
[07:58] <greenbean> hello, how do I modify the title of a thread i've created on Ubuntu Forums?  Thanks!
[08:03] <somerville32> greenbean, Try asking in #ubuntuforum
[08:03] <greenbean> hey somerville32! good to see you...i'm asking in there right now
[08:03] <somerville32> :)
[08:15] <hyper_ch> good morning
[08:15] <somerville32> Morning! :)
[08:16] <hyper_ch> i hate the snow outside :(
[08:16] <somerville32> hehe
[08:16] <hyper_ch> and I need to go on a journey to the uni :(
[08:17] <somerville32> hehe
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[08:17] <hyper_ch> it's not fun :)
[08:17] <somerville32> I can't imagine
[08:19] <hyper_ch> somerville32: you are in quite a few channels :)
[08:19] <somerville32> lol, I am
[08:28] <hyper_ch> I'm off :)
[12:39] <Grey_Loki> is it possible to install Compiz to Xubuntu?
[12:39] <Grey_Loki> I've seen guides that show you how to install it from Gnome and KDE, but Xubuntu uses XFCE, right?
[12:39] <Grey_Loki> !compiz
[12:39] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[12:45] <Grey_Loki> Hmm
[12:45] <Grey_Loki> So if i'm reading this right, to install Compiz, I would first need to install and configure Xgl and Gnome
[12:45] <Grey_Loki> Before finally getting around to installing Compiz?
[12:46] <tonyyarusso> Xgl or aiglx, one of the two.  Shouldn't need Gnome I imagine.
[12:47] <Grey_Loki> Aiglx seems to be preferable, actually - seems that Xgl runs slowly on Intel chipsets
[12:47] <Grey_Loki> Well, it looks like Compiz takes either elements of gnome or elements of KDE to make stuff 'go'.
[12:48] <Grey_Loki> This laptop isn't particularly well-spec'ed, anyways. Think I might wait and try it out on my desktop instead.
[12:49] <Grey_Loki> Thanks anyways ;)
[01:22] <Jester45|Away> !seen cellofellow
[01:22] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@209.193.108.87) 1d 6h 7m 37s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[01:39] <Powha> How does this chown work? It does not work for me. "sudo chown -hR test /win" still root
[01:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That would change the ownership of everything in /win to the "test" user, and it wouldn't affect the targets of any symlinks in /win, only the symlinks themselves.
[01:42] <Powha> What is an symlink?
[01:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's a link to a file.
[01:43] <Powha> Yhea ok well /win is an dir with the windows partition mounted.
[01:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> If it's an NTFS partition, you won't be able to write to it anyway.
[01:48] <Powha> hmm well I have formated it to vfat.
[01:51] <Powha> If I enter the disk and type "sudo chown -hR test ." I get Operation not permitted
[01:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> FAT doesn't use file permissions.  You may be hitting a limitation of the fs, there.
[01:56] <Powha> Ok which format shall I format the disk in?
[01:57] <grazie> Powha: what is the purpose of the partition?
[01:58] <Powha> well was thinking of puting som install files on it so I can edit grub menu.lst, boot and reinstall xubuntu
[01:59] <grazie> Powha: you don't need to share the data with Windows then?
[01:59] <Powha> nope windows is gone
[02:00] <grazie> Powha: ext3 is probably most widely used
[02:00] <Powha> note it's not a disk it is an partition. I wrote wrong above.
[02:01] <Powha> ok will try with ext3
[02:07] <Powha> still get operation not permitted.
[02:09] <b_52GM> any one know , affordable isp satellite provider ? that cover north africa / europe / middle east ?
[03:36] <Jowi> hello. does anyone use thunar with beryl? I have an issue with it. clicking on a textfile or picture in thunar opens the file, but the thunar window is on top until the new window is clicked (it does not raise the new window). other WMs does not have this problem.
[03:38] <Jowi> other filemanagers (such as rox-filer) does not have this problem.
[03:39] <Jowi> ah, wait. found a solution to this
[03:40] <Jowi> if anyone is interested: setting the Level of Focus stealing prevention to "None" in the general beryl options worked.
[03:40] <Jowi> have a nice day :)
[04:06] <g333k_work> Hi, how can I disable the Ctrl + Alt + F2, Ctrl + Alt + F3...... Ctrl + Alt + F12 ?
[04:12] <DarthLappy> I don't think you can. (Or should)
[04:12] <ZellSF> anyone knows how to not automatically create shortcuts to an usb disk on desktop?
[04:32] <rizzo> Morning all
[04:33] <rizzo> any reason why latest xubuntu shouldn't be able to install on a p3-700 laptop with 96mb RAM?
[04:33] <rizzo> (Dell Latitude, fwiw)
[04:33] <rizzo> my install keeps hanging on a blank silvery screen that only shows my mouse cursor
[04:33] <Breetai> Hey all, Question: If I want something to run whenever a connection is made to a particular port, do I need to apt-get inetd or is there a more "xubnutu" way of doing this?
[04:51] <ZellSF> how do I disable automatic mounting in thunar?
[05:02] <TheSheep> ZellSF: Thunar doesn't do automatic mounting
[05:02] <TheSheep> ZellSF: it mounts only when you click on the device's icon
[05:03] <ZellSF> TheSheep: then what is automatically mounting stuff for me?
[05:03] <ZellSF> (talking about usb disk btw)
[05:03] <TheSheep> ZellSF: no idea, try 'ps x' in a terminal and see
[05:03] <TheSheep> ZellSF: if you have gnome-device-manager running, then that's the culprit
[05:04] <ZellSF> gnome-device-manager isn't even installed, so I doubt I've got it running
[05:05] <TheSheep> ZellSF: Thunar has the automonter in in 0.0.8, which just got into Feisty, and the automounter is not even in Feisty yet
[05:05] <ZellSF> well, it's automatically mounting stuff here O_o
[05:06] <ZellSF> anyone know how to disable hal/dbus then?
[05:07] <TheSheep> ZellSF: you can kill the dbus daemon
[05:07] <ZellSF> yeah, but I want to disable them
[05:07] <ZellSF> not kill them at each reboot
[05:08] <TheSheep> ZellSF: but it will make your applications stop communicating between ech other
[05:08] <ZellSF> hmm
[05:08] <ZellSF> what kinds of communication?
[05:08] <TheSheep> ZellSF: for example, Thunar will run a new, separate process for each new window
[05:08] <ZellSF> hmm, damn
[05:09] <ZellSF> anyone else has a clue how to get Thunar to stop automounting stuff?
[05:10] <TheSheep> ZellSF: it doesn't mount my mp3 player :/
[05:10] <TheSheep> ZellSF: at least until I double-click the icon
[05:10] <ZellSF> it mounts my usb disk
[05:10] <TheSheep> hmm...
[05:11] <TheSheep> ZellSF: have you looked at 'ps x'? no suspicious daemons? :)
[05:11] <ZellSF> None
[05:11] <TheSheep> then I'd bet on udev rules
[05:12] <TheSheep> ZellSF: do you have that disk in yuor fstab?
[05:12] <ZellSF> Yes, but it's not being mounted with the fstab options, which is my problem
[05:13] <ZellSF> and I've no clue what udev rules are, nor how to modify them
[05:13] <TheSheep> ZellSF: maybe add 'noauto' and see if it's still mounted?
[05:13] <ZellSF> it's set to noauto
[05:13] <ZellSF> /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk vfat user,noauto,rw 0 0
[05:14] <TheSheep> I'm almost sure that Thunar would use pmount for mounting, and pmount would use the options from fstab
[05:14] <ZellSF> annoyingly enough, the desktop shortcut doesn't disappear even when I unmount the drive
[05:15] <ZellSF> maybe it's not Thunar then, but something is automounting my drives and I didn't set anything to :/
[05:16] <ZellSF> I want to change the name of the desktop shortcut to something else and allow users to umount the device, Neither which I'm allowed to do
[05:27] <ZellSF> no one has a clue how I can mount my removable drive with fstab and not have them automatically mounted by something else?
[05:27] <ZellSF> which I've no clue what is, but never installed?
[05:29] <TheSheep> I'm afraid my crystal ball is out of order
[05:29] <ZellSF> It's default Xubuntu behavior
[05:29] <ZellSF> so you only need to know Xubuntu, not have a crystal ball :P
[05:30] <somerville32> ZellSF, Xubuntu already mounts removable drivers automatically.
[05:30] <ZellSF> somerville32: I want it not to
[05:30] <somerville32> ZellSF, Oh... right
[05:30] <somerville32> Sorry, misread :)
[05:30] <ZellSF> so, do you have any clue about it?
[05:31] <somerville32> Yes, just one second please
[05:31] <ZellSF> and also, will disabling it delete the desktop icon it automatically creates?
[05:33] <somerville32> Possibly
[05:33] <somerville32> And you disable it in the volman
[05:33] <ZellSF> I have no volman :/
[05:34] <ZellSF> the XFCE volume manager doesn't even work with Xubuntu Edgy's Thunar version
[05:59] <noir_> question, when apt-get updating i get stuck on 99% [Connecting to edevelop.org (67.138.240.42)]  any ideas?
[06:03] <fijam> edevelop.org is down
[06:03] <fijam> remove this line from your sources.list or wait till Enlightment guyz fix this up
[06:04] <noir_> alright thanks for the info
[06:05] <fijam> no problem
[06:05] <tonyyarusso> (They're moving)
[06:06] <noir_> ah i see
[06:06] <noir_> i was woundering its been like that for the last day or so
[06:09] <eric__> lo
[06:10] <eric__> does anyone know if it's possible to get a creative zen vision:m working under Xubuntu
[06:10] <eric__> ive looked at tutorials under the ubuntu forums but none seem to work
[06:11] <fijam> I have no idea, sorry
[06:11] <eric__> ok np
[06:12] <eric__> it seems to be a tricky one alright
[06:26] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:28] <somerville32> Hi slow-motion :)
[06:29] <slow-motion> hi somerville32
[06:49] <pjgat09> hmm, is there any way to boot into xubuntu if you uninstalled grub?
[06:50] <somerville32> !grub | pjgat09
[06:50] <ubotu> pjgat09: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:53] <pjgat09> "Using the Alternate/Install CD and Overwriting the Windows bootloader"  perfect, thanks
[06:54] <somerville32> :)
[07:10] <pjgat09> hmm, it says the swap partition is going to be formatted
[07:10] <pjgat09> the guide said to not format any partitions
[07:13] <TheSheep> pjgat09: swap doesn't contain any important data when the system is not running
[07:14] <pjgat09> thats what i figured
[07:14] <TheSheep> pjgat09: it's just for keeping things that don't fit in your ram
[07:14] <pjgat09> meh what ever
[07:14] <pjgat09> i didnt really care about this install, so if it goes away it doesnt matter
[07:14] <pjgat09> i just dont feel like reinstalling it  :)
[07:18] <grazie> pjgat09: you overwriting your last install?
[07:19] <pjgat09> i am now, yes
[07:19] <grazie> pjgat09: hope it works better for you
[07:19] <pjgat09> yeh, i hope so
[07:19] <pjgat09> i got a more generic NIC that gentoo and knoppix understood
[07:19] <pjgat09> but gentoo could not seem to keep the connection
[07:20] <grazie> gentoo live cd?
[07:20] <pjgat09> minimal install cd
[07:20] <grazie> you've been busy!
[07:20] <pjgat09> yes, i have
[07:21] <pjgat09> but the paritioner doesnt seem to be doing anything...
[07:22] <pjgat09> its stuck at 25% "Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 of IDE3 slave (hdf)..."
[07:23] <pjgat09> and both hard drives just went into powersave mode...
[07:25] <grazie> when I've had that kind of problem, I've prepared the disks before doing the install
[07:25] <pjgat09> i did a soft reboot (hope i didnt mess anything up..)
[07:26] <pjgat09> there is a point of good news, the installer finds the NIC, connects, and i can successfully ping the computer
[07:27] <grazie> good news
[07:28] <grazie> if it appears to get stuck again, open up a terminal and look at the processess running
[07:28] <pjgat09> what is LVM in relation to the partitioner
[07:28] <pjgat09> and should i use it?
[07:29] <grazie> I wouldn't
[07:29] <grazie> !LVM
[07:29] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[07:30] <pjgat09> hard drive churning, a good sign
[07:36] <pjgat09> and now its stoped at 22%  :(
[07:40] <pjgat09> ok, im stumped
[07:40] <grazie> open up another terminal and ask TheSheep for some expert advice (if he's around)
[07:40] <pjgat09> can i do that with the text installer? (alternate install CD)
[07:41] <grazie> i think so
[07:41] <pjgat09> i tried ctrl+alt+F1, nothing
[07:41] <TheSheep> pjgat09: you are at f1
[07:41] <TheSheep> pjgat09: try alt+f2
[07:41] <pjgat09> tried that too actually
[07:42] <TheSheep> alt+f2 alone, no ctrl
[07:45] <grazie> TheSheep: this problem seems quite common...
[07:46] <pjgat09> ok, im at F2
[07:48] <TheSheep> pjgat09: type 'ps x'
[07:48] <pjgat09> ok
[07:48] <TheSheep> pjgat09: and find something related to generating a dictionary
[07:49] <pjgat09> i think the list went off the screen at the top, can i scroll?
[07:49] <TheSheep> shift+pgup
[07:50] <pjgat09> i dont see anything about generating a dictionary
[07:50] <TheSheep> pjgat09: any command with 'sh' in front?
[07:51] <pjgat09> theres 4 that i see in /bin/sh
[07:51] <pjgat09> and one that is just -sh
[07:52] <TheSheep> I don't remember the exact name of the process that generated that dictionary :/
[07:54] <pjgat09> "/bin/sh /sbin/debian-installer" "-sh" "/bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/partman-base.postinst.conf" "/bin/sh /bin/partman" "/bin/sh /lib/partman/commit.d/50format_ext3"
[07:54] <pjgat09> those are the 5 i see with sh
[07:55] <TheSheep> pjgat09: ah, then it's not that bug
[07:55] <pjgat09> in F4 i see a long list of the same error: "hdf: lost interrupt"
[07:55] <TheSheep> pjgat09: it's just formatting your partition
[07:55] <TheSheep> :/
[07:55] <TheSheep> looks like a hardware problem
[07:55] <pjgat09> it worked just fine about 2 days ago...
[07:56] <grazie> looks like a dodgy hd...on way out maybe...how old?
[07:57] <pjgat09> very
[07:57] <pjgat09> its 4gb, remember
[07:57] <pjgat09> i might have hit a loose connector when i installed the NIC
[07:58] <pjgat09> that happened with the main IDE BUS, the connector came out enough to not boot the HDDs
[07:58] <pjgat09> (quick fix of course)
[07:58] <grazie> from your others problem, I'd say the disk is dying, but I can't be sure
[07:59] <pjgat09> i think ill open the case later and double check all the connectors
[07:59] <pjgat09> but there is no point in trying now, i have to leave in ~30 min
[08:01] <grazie> you were probably ok with gentoo as it's small. with xubuntu you could be hitting a bad sector or a themal problem
[08:02] <pjgat09> knoppix has actually been most successful
[08:02] <pjgat09> it connects, i can ping it, but i can't pull up any websites
[08:02] <grazie> you installed to the hd?
[08:02] <pjgat09> no, live cd
[08:02] <grazie> ah yes
[08:03] <pjgat09> can it be installed to the HDD?
[08:03] <grazie> yes
[08:03] <pjgat09> thats what i figured
[08:03] <pjgat09> if i could get it to connect to the internet, i would do that
[08:04] <grazie> don't understand?
[08:04] <pjgat09> if i could get knoppix to be able to pull up websites, i would install it to the HDD and use that as my linux distro
[08:05] <grazie> knoppix could pull up websites, but networking was good? Still don't understand?
[08:06] <grazie> s/could/couldn't/
[08:06] <pjgat09> ohh sorry
[08:06] <pjgat09> knoppix connects to my local network fine (i can ping it from my laptop), but i can't get it to connect to the internet
[08:07] <grazie> v.strange. however, knoppix may be a little slow (with kde) on that machine
[08:07] <pjgat09> actually it was very fast, even running off the livecd
[08:08] <pjgat09> booted faster than ubuntu, xubuntu, or gentoo
[08:09] <grazie> there can't be much up.
[08:10] <pjgat09> ill try messing with it again later, maybe i can figure out why it doesnt connect to the internet
[08:10] <pjgat09> maybe its something in my router's settings
[08:10] <pjgat09> also, does knoppix come with a firewall that would block that?
[08:11] <grazie> it has a firewall, but it would be blocking by default
[08:12] <pjgat09> could that firewall be blocking internet connections?
[08:13] <grazie> not with the default settings no
[08:13] <pjgat09> hmm, ok
[08:14] <grazie> what device makes the internet connection?
[08:14] <pjgat09> in my network? my 2wire modem
[08:15] <grazie> don't know it. usb or ethernet? where does the router fit in?
[08:16] <pjgat09> phone line - 2wire modem - linksys router - kingston NIC - computer
[08:17] <grazie> ethernet modem then? Shouldn't be a driver problem
[08:17] <pjgat09> yes, its ethernet all the way
[08:17] <pjgat09> interesting. the computer doesnt respond to ping now
[08:21] <pjgat09> well i need to get going
[08:21] <pjgat09> thanks for the help thus far...maybe ill get something running eventually  :)
[08:22] <grazie> I bet you've learnt loads though. np
[08:24] <rizzo> is it possible to swith to a term screen so I can see what is happening while the installer is loading
[08:24] <rizzo> my installer freezes about 5 minutes after I say to Start or Install xubuntu
[08:24] <rizzo> just on a blank screen with a mouse cursor
[08:25] <rizzo> I've trield ctrl-alt-<random F key> but nothing
[08:25] <grazie> rizzo: which disk are you using?
[08:25] <rizzo> xunbuntu 6.10
[08:25] <grazie> alternate or desktop?
[08:25] <rizzo> desktop-i386
[08:26] <rizzo> trying to install on a Dell Latitude p3-750mhz with 96mb RAM
[08:26] <rizzo> fwiw
[08:26] <rizzo> it /was/ running win2k
[08:26] <grazie> and ctl-alt-F2 doesn't give you a terminal?
[08:26] <rizzo> newp
[08:27] <grazie> you should be using the alternate with only 96M of RAM
[08:27] <rizzo> ah ok
[08:27] <rizzo> I'd ask why but it's probably FAQ
[08:28] <rizzo> ah I see
[08:28] <rizzo> < 128mb
[08:28] <grazie> ;)
[08:28] <rizzo> thanks
[08:28] <rizzo> our MIS guy handed me this CD, so I hadn't actually been to the xubuntu site before too recently
[08:29] <grazie> been there....
[08:29] <rizzo> what does it do to handle less RAM?
[08:30] <grazie> uses a text installer rather than gui
[08:32] <rizzo> ok
[08:32] <rizzo> but XFCE should run fine after?
[08:33] <grazie> never tried myself, but lots of people use 128M
[08:34] <rizzo> I only have what MIS could scavenge from other scrap laptops
[08:34] <rizzo> :p
[08:34] <rizzo> building a free laptop for my sister-in-law
[08:36] <grazie> I've used DSL with 48M and been satisfied
[08:36] <churchyard> hi, I'm trying to set virtual desktop emulation in winecfg, but the option is grayed (wine 0.9.29), it means this would never work?
[08:45] <rizzo> grazie: DSL?
[08:46] <grazie> Damn Small Linux
[08:46] <vai_ro> how do i change permissions on a hard drive?
[08:59] <vai_ro> question, my sdb1 hard drive witch is in exit 3 dosent have read and write support enabled how do i go about enabling read and write support?
[08:59] <Spastic_Teapot> Dumb-tastic question: I think I just disabled my GUI using BUM. I'm stuck at the command line.
[08:59] <Spastic_Teapot> How do I un-fvck my install?
[09:02] <vai_ro> nvm
[09:13] <g333k_work> Hi, when I right click on a desktop icon then click "desktop" then I have avaiable "desktop properties" and "desktop settings", how can I remove this entries?
[09:21] <g333k_work> where is specified the default settings for my new users? I mean the default  desktop appearance ?
[09:36] <bigredradio> Anyone have a minute to help with getting rsh-server working? I am new to inetd. More used to xinetd. How can I tell if the service is working?
[10:13] <ZellSF> can I find the Firefox icon somewhere on Xubuntu?
[10:14] <fijam> in 6.06 or 6.10?
[10:14] <ZellSF> uh... not sure, edgy
[10:14] <vai_ro>  /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png
[10:15] <Spasticteapot> Hello, persons!
[10:15] <ZellSF> thanks
[10:15] <fijam> yeah, it should be in...
[10:15] <fijam> exactly there
[10:15] <vai_ro> np
[10:15] <Spasticteapot> Can anyone provide me a link to a good tutorial for optimizing Xubuntu to run a bit faster?
[10:15] <Spasticteapot> I found one a while back, and promptly lost the URL.
[10:15] <Spasticteapot> (This is the guy who just disabled GDM by accident when trying to get rid of "uneeded" processes.)
[10:16] <vai_ro> nice lol
[10:16] <Spasticteapot> I am t3h n00bi3!
[10:16] <Spasticteapot> ph334 my stup1d1ty!
[10:17] <vai_ro> you wont get any arguments here
[10:17] <Spasticteapot> I can crash ANY SERVER - it's not that I'm a hacker or anything, I'm just that powerfully incompetent.
[10:17] <Spasticteapot> :)
[10:18] <vai_ro> then why do you want to try and speed up xubuntu, witch prolly has a good chance of messing up your system
[10:18] <Spasticteapot> I know there's some tricks for reducing "swappiness" and ditching un-needed processes.
[10:18] <Spasticteapot> I just don't know what they are.
[10:20] <vai_ro> well personally i did a server install off the alternate cd, then installed xfce 4.4 and remoced any un-needed programs and my boot time from login to desktop is under 4 secs
[10:20] <Spasticteapot> That's about what I get, actually.
[10:20] <vai_ro> removed*
[10:20] <Spasticteapot> As a side note, can you help me get Amarok to play Mp3s?
[10:21] <vai_ro> search automatix in google then install
[10:21] <Spasticteapot> Hmm...I'll give it a shot.
[10:21] <vai_ro> k
[10:22] <frankabel>  I want put my servers to update automatically as described at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Au...ecurityUpdates
[10:22] <frankabel> But as that wiki say "There is always some security risks involved in running software upgrades without supervision"... to mitigate that effect I need know how can I see what packages had ben updated, when and if is possible a method to rollback the updates.
[10:23] <frankabel> any help?
[10:30] <adamwest> how can i make the panels' opaque whatever the theme is?
[10:33] <adamwest> guys, how can i make the panels opaque whatever the theme is?
[10:34] <TheSheep> adamwest: right-click, select 'customize panel', use the slider to adjust the transparency
[10:35] <adamwest> TheSheep: i did that... but in some themes not all of the panel is opaque..
[10:35] <TheSheep> adamwest: edit the theme
[10:35] <adamwest> and change what?
[10:36] <TheSheep> adamwest: the panel styling, depends on the theme
[10:37] <adamwest> oh thanks
[10:38] <TheSheep> adamwest: look for something like class "*Panel*"        style "panelbg"
[10:38] <TheSheep> adamwest: and then modify the panelbg style
[10:38] <adamwest> thanks, TheSheep :P
[10:40] <vai_ro> how do i get the transparency option?
[10:40] <fijam> you have to enable compositor
[10:40] <vai_ro> how do i enable compositor
[10:41] <fijam> settings -> window manager options -> compositor
[10:42] <vai_ro> thanks
[10:52] <ZellSF> what do I write if I want to make space part of an argument to a program?
[11:04] <TheSheep> ZellSF: either '\ ' or enclose it in double or single quotes
[11:05] <ZellSF> hmm. thought so. crap
[11:05] <ZellSF> Anyone knows a good virus scanning extension for Firefox then? :P
[11:05] <TheSheep> ZellSF: so it's:  file\ name\ with\ spaces or "file name with spaces" or 'file name with spaces'
[11:05] <TheSheep> ZellSF: what would it do?
[11:05] <ZellSF> (I want to use the notify-daemon to display finished downloads)
[11:06] <ZellSF> nothing, but a virus scanning extension would allow me to run a custom command on finished downloads
[11:06] <TheSheep> how so?
[11:06] <ZellSF> they usually let you write where your virus scanner is
[11:06] <TheSheep> there are rather no virii for Linux in the wild
[11:06] <ZellSF> and which arguments to use with it
[11:06] <ZellSF> No, but I'm not talking about using the virus scanner for virus scanning
[11:06] <ZellSF> but launching a custom command
[11:06] <TheSheep> ZellSF: ah, you can just associate any program with an extension or mime type
[11:06] <TheSheep> ZellSF: in firefox
[11:07] <rizzo> damn it.  xubuntu alternative install completed, but now it seems to hang on boot
[11:07] <ZellSF> yeah, but doing that for all filetypes + trying to figure out how to do argument = probably not the best way.
[11:07] <TheSheep> ZellSF: preferences, content, file types, manage...
[11:07] <TheSheep> ZellSF: you can just put * in there
[11:07] <ZellSF> incorrect, Firefox doesn't allow you to add download actions
[11:08] <ZellSF> don't ask me why
[11:08] <slow-motion> n8
[11:09] <TheSheep> ZellSF: you can always change that in about:config
[11:09] <bigfuzzyjesus> lawl "dell fan"
[11:09] <ZellSF> where
[11:09] <ZellSF> O_o
[11:12] <TheSheep> browser.contentHandlers, I think
[11:12] <TheSheep> ZellSF: just type about:config in the location bar
[11:12] <ZellSF> not brwoser.contenthandlers ...
[11:13] <TheSheep> ZellSF: what version of firefox?
[11:13] <ZellSF> 2
[11:13] <TheSheep> ZellSF: I have them... :/
[11:14] <ZellSF> yes, but they don't appear to be the same thing as what I need to change
[11:14] <ZellSF> Bloglines, My Yahoo, Google Reader
[11:26] <grazie> rizzo, did you verify the md5 of the iso?
[11:26] <rizzo> grazie: n/m it's up now
[11:27] <rizzo> second boot worked
[11:27] <grazie> goof
[11:27] <grazie> *good
[12:07] <electronro> hello
[12:08] <electronro> i hawe problems booting in live mode...i get a blak screen and hapens nothing  black with a cursor
[12:09] <electronro> but can just reboot
[12:09] <mattswell> i am having a problem installing xubuntu, my monitor doesn't support the video mode. i've tried manually setting the VGA settings (using the menu) and i have tried hitting escape and running in text only mode
[12:10] <mattswell> it runs fine until the screen with the mouse disappears
[12:13] <HeathenDan> what monitor are you using?
[12:13] <mattswell> dell 24" widescreen
[12:13] <mattswell> a flat panel
[12:16] <electronro> bye
[12:16] <ZellSF> anyone here have any recommendations on bittorrent clients?
[12:16] <mattswell> azureus
[12:17] <ZellSF> Azureus hates me
[12:17] <mattswell> :(
[12:17] <ZellSF> hmm
[12:17] <ZellSF> why the hell is my Java virtual machine hotspot?
[12:17] <ZellSF> O_o
[12:18] <ZellSF> in any case, I don't know how to install Sun's java and Azureus crashed at start with hotspot
[12:18] <mattswell> ah well
[12:18] <mattswell> i can't even install xubuntu, the installer doesn't like my monitor
[12:18] <mattswell> text mode or otherwise
[12:19] <mattswell> is there a nofb mode for advanced options?
[12:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info sun-java5-jre | ZellSF
[12:22] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-08-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 7279 kB, installed size 16132 kB
[12:22] <ZellSF> hmm
[12:22] <ZellSF> appears I have that.