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DeannaTheGeekhiyas!02:48
DeannaTheGeekanyone awake?02:49
Burgworknot really02:49
DeannaTheGeek:-)02:50
DeannaTheGeekI'm a complete Linux n00b02:50
Burgworkwelcome02:50
DeannaTheGeekI was hoping to pick some brains02:50
Burgworkthis is a friday night and it is early UTC, thus few people on02:50
DeannaTheGeekI got this laptop from my sister for Xmas, and I installed edubuntu instead of running Windows ME02:51
Burgworkright02:51
Burgworkdid you install the full version or just the workstation?02:51
DeannaTheGeekworkstation, I believe02:51
Burgworkright02:51
DeannaTheGeekeverything works great02:51
Burgworkperfect02:51
Burgworkyou don't need us then :)02:52
DeannaTheGeekI even learned some cool stuff from a book called Ubuntu Hacks02:52
DeannaTheGeekI just can't get my sound to work :-(02:52
Burgworkah02:52
Burgworkat all?02:52
DeannaTheGeeknot at all02:52
crimsunthin client/LTSP configuration or standalone?02:52
DeannaTheGeekDevice Manager has the soundcard listed02:52
DeannaTheGeekstandalone, I believe02:52
DeannaTheGeekthis is my first time ever playing with Ubuntu02:53
DeannaTheGeekonly Linux experience was Red Hat 9 a couple years ago02:53
crimsunplease use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org to provide the information requested at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/42718/comments/1102:53
DeannaTheGeek?02:53
crimsunapologies, I presumed you were asking for assistance.02:54
DeannaTheGeekwell, assistance and conversation02:54
DeannaTheGeekmaybe a mentor :-)02:55
DeannaTheGeekteach me to be an ubuntu Jedi, so to speak02:55
DeannaTheGeekI don't want to raise my daughter on Windows02:55
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BurgworkI am about to leave work, so just clearing up some stuff02:57
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: I'm awaiting the requested information above if you're seeking assistance.02:59
DeannaTheGeekworking on it03:00
DeannaTheGeekmy hubby keeps IMing me jokes :-P03:00
DeannaTheGeekwhat do I put for syntax?03:01
crimsunText is acceptable.03:01
DeannaTheGeekok03:02
crimsunPlease tell us the URL when you've finished that.03:04
DeannaTheGeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3042/03:06
DeannaTheGeekwould this be it?03:06
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: not precisely, no.03:07
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: the latter URL I gave you above contains a numbered list of commands you should type in a Terminal. That's the output to which I'm referring.03:07
crimsun(although I can surmise what you probably need to do)03:08
DeannaTheGeekthe latter URL leads me to Bug 4271803:11
crimsunit should take you to a specific comment.03:11
DeannaTheGeeksound capture on Thinkpad03:12
DeannaTheGeekthat one?03:12
crimsunyes, I need the output from those numbered points.03:12
DeannaTheGeekplease forgive me if I seem obtuse, it's been a long week03:12
crimsunHeh, you're telling me. I'm still at work.03:13
DeannaTheGeekick03:16
DeannaTheGeekI left work as soon as I possibly could03:16
DeannaTheGeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3044/03:18
DeannaTheGeekI ran all those commands03:18
DeannaTheGeekI think I got it all in there, but it's hard to tell when you have a 5-year-old hanging on your mouse arm03:19
crimsunline 17 shows there's a bit omitted.03:19
DeannaTheGeek?03:19
DeannaTheGeekprobably got some cut off03:20
crimsunthere are additional lines in the output of ``amixer'' (at the top) that are missing.03:20
DeannaTheGeekcrap03:20
DeannaTheGeekI need a few minutes-I need to throw in another load of laundry03:21
DeannaTheGeekwhen you're wife, mommy, breadwinner, & geek of the house, there's never any rest03:21
DeannaTheGeek:-P03:21
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DeannaTheGeeksorry I'm a little slow tonight03:43
DeannaTheGeekit thinks I'm trying to spam & won't let me edit my entry03:46
crimsunthen just paste the first twenty lines of amixer from this command: amixer |head -2003:47
DeannaTheGeekok, I'll try03:48
DeannaTheGeekalso trying to order pizza so kids don't try to eat me03:48
DeannaTheGeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3047/03:54
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: please try:  amixer set 'External Amplifier' mute03:55
DeannaTheGeekdo I type that into the terminal?03:55
crimsuncopy and paste verbatim.03:56
DeannaTheGeekok03:56
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: after that:  aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav03:56
crimsundoes that latter command produce audible sound?03:57
DeannaTheGeeknope03:58
DeannaTheGeekSimple mixer control 'External Amplifier',003:58
DeannaTheGeek  Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined03:58
DeannaTheGeek  Playback channels: Mono03:58
DeannaTheGeek  Mono: Playback [off] 03:58
DeannaTheGeekI feel stoopid03:59
DeannaTheGeekI can't figure out a stinkin' sound card problem03:59
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: ok, sec, I need to check some additional things.04:02
DeannaTheGeekthanks04:03
DeannaTheGeekI really appreciate it04:03
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: ok, I'll need all of amixer in a separate paste, please.04:06
DeannaTheGeekhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3048/04:09
DeannaTheGeekare these commands specific to Ubuntu, or are they universal Linux commands?04:10
crimsunok, is it a desktop or a laptop?04:10
DeannaTheGeeklaptop04:11
crimsunthey're fairly universal.04:11
DeannaTheGeekCompaq Presario 1200US04:11
crimsunok, please try: amixer set 'Master Mono' 80%,unmute04:11
DeannaTheGeekSimple mixer control 'Master Mono',004:12
DeannaTheGeek  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined04:12
DeannaTheGeek  Playback channels: Mono04:12
DeannaTheGeek  Limits: Playback 0 - 3104:12
DeannaTheGeek  Mono: Playback 25 [81%]  [off] 04:12
crimsunamixer set 'Master Mono' unmute04:12
DeannaTheGeekSimple mixer control 'Master Mono',004:13
DeannaTheGeek  Capabilities: pvolume pvolume-joined pswitch pswitch-joined04:13
DeannaTheGeek  Playback channels: Mono04:13
DeannaTheGeek  Limits: Playback 0 - 3104:13
DeannaTheGeek  Mono: Playback 25 [81%]  [on] 04:13
crimsunok, now try the aplay command again04:13
crimsunI presume this is a fresh install of Dapper 6.06?04:13
DeannaTheGeeknothing04:14
DeannaTheGeekI installed it about a week ago, but yeah, it was to a cleanly formatted disk04:15
crimsunok, amixer set 'Capture' nocap && amixer set 'Aux' 80%,80% && amixer set 'Aux' unmute && amixer set 'PC Speaker' 80% && amixer set 'PC Speaker' unmute && amixer set 'Video' 80%,80% && amixer set 'Video' unmute && amixer set 'Line' 80%,80% && amixer set 'Line' unmute04:16
crimsun(yep, copy and paste that whole thing)04:16
DeannaTheGeekincluding ok?04:16
DeannaTheGeek;-)04:16
DeannaTheGeektried the aplay command again, nothing04:18
crimsunok, did you also paste ``tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat'' ?04:19
crimsun(the output from it, rather)04:19
DeannaTheGeekdon't think so-it thought it was spam04:20
DeannaTheGeektrying to send you a file with all the info from that link04:24
crimsunvia dcc? I can't accept those.04:24
DeannaTheGeekcrud04:24
DeannaTheGeek1 sec04:25
DeannaTheGeekMixers:04:25
DeannaTheGeek0: Analog Devices AD1881A04:25
crimsunok, it's probable that bugfix is not present in 6.0604:27
DeannaTheGeek?04:27
crimsunthe 1881As have a driver bug04:27
DeannaTheGeekok04:28
crimsunwe can test a newer version of ALSA if you're willing, have the time, and have broadband.04:28
DeannaTheGeekso I have a completely different problem04:28
DeannaTheGeekcan I ask a stupid question first?04:28
crimsunyou may ask a question, certainly.04:29
DeannaTheGeekcan a faulty memory module blow out an onboard sound device in a laptop?04:29
crimsunnot normally.04:29
DeannaTheGeekI tried upgrading my memory, and when I did, my screen went garbly04:29
crimsungranted bad RAM can cause all sorts of nondeterministic errors04:29
DeannaTheGeekafter that, my sound no workie04:29
crimsundid you add a module or replace one?04:30
DeannaTheGeekthat's when I switched from Windows to edubuntu04:30
DeannaTheGeekreplaced one04:30
crimsundo you still have the old one?04:30
DeannaTheGeektook out the 64 MB, added a 256 MB04:30
DeannaTheGeekI sent the new one back04:30
DeannaTheGeekhad to put the old one back in to get the laptop to function04:30
crimsunwell, we can't rule out the possibility of hardware error, but it's fairly unlikely given you're running the original now.04:31
DeannaTheGeekand that the OS detects the sound card as a functioning device04:31
DeannaTheGeekeverything in a laptop is interconnected, it could have done something strange04:31
crimsunI'm fairly certain it's not caused by that RAM.04:32
DeannaTheGeekok04:32
crimsunI know there's a documented bugfix for the 1881A04:32
DeannaTheGeekI wish I had schematics for my motherboard04:32
DeannaTheGeekI'd love to rip this open & make sure it's not a loose wire04:33
crimsunspeaking of which, the connectors are snug, correct?04:33
DeannaTheGeekthere are speakers built into the laptop, no wires04:33
crimsunno headphone jack, either?04:34
DeannaTheGeekI connected headphones to the headphone jack-no sound there, either04:34
crimsunwell, we could try the newest development version of the sound driver.04:35
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DeannaTheGeekfrom edgy?04:35
crimsunyou'd need to install the following packages: build-essential, linux-headers-$(uname -r)04:35
DeannaTheGeekthink it might help?04:35
crimsunno, from upstream (ALSA)04:35
DeannaTheGeekok04:35
DeannaTheGeekwhat command would I use?04:36
crimsunyou could use Synaptic to install those packages, or you could use:  sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)04:37
crimsun(let me know if that's what you wish to do)04:46
Kamping_Kaiserhi all.04:48
DeannaTheGeekwell, it did something04:49
DeannaTheGeekdo I need to reboot?04:49
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Kamping_Kaiserheh :/04:51
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: not yet, we haven't gotten the new drivers yet.04:51
crimsunDeannaTheGeek: next step: wget ftp://ftp.alsa-project.org/pub/driver/alsa-driver-1.0.14rc2.tar.bz204:52
DeannaTheGeekok04:56
DeannaTheGeeknext step would be...04:57
DeannaTheGeek...unpacking the tarball?04:57
crimsunyes04:57
DeannaTheGeekok04:58
DeannaTheGeekhow do I do that?04:58
crimsuntar xf alsa-driver-1.0.14rc2.tar.bz204:59
DeannaTheGeekok...05:00
crimsunI'm at work, so I won't be able to respond immediately05:01
crimsunessentially:05:01
DeannaTheGeeksorry if I'm being a pest05:02
crimsuncd alsa-driver-1.0.14rc2 && ./configure --with-oss=yes --with-sequencer=yes --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build --with-debug=detect && make && sudo make install-modules && sudo depmod -e && kill $(lsof -t /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*) ; sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod|grep ^snd|awk '{print $1}') && sudo rm -f /var/lib/alsa/asound.state && sudo modprobe snd-via82xx05:04
crimsunthat will compile the driver, install it, close/kill all running sound apps, unload the current driver, erase the old state file, and load the new driver.05:04
crimsunat that point you should test with the aplay command again after checking that your volumes are unmuted and up to a reasonable (80%) level.05:05
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DeannaTheGeekhmmm....06:25
DeannaTheGeeknot wanting to recompile06:25
DeannaTheGeekthoughts?06:25
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crimsunDeannaTheGeek: meaning it fails, or...?06:50
DeannaTheGeekkeeps failing out06:52
crimsunwhere, and with what messages?06:53
DeannaTheGeeki keep trying to rerun that line of code you gave me a couple hours ago06:53
DeannaTheGeekI'll let you know if it fails again06:53
DeannaTheGeekFATAL: Module snd_ac97_bus not found.07:15
DeannaTheGeekhappens after about 10-15 minutes after entering that code07:17
DeannaTheGeeklsof: status error on /dev/dsp*: No such file or directory07:18
DeannaTheGeekkill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec]  pid | jobspec ... or kill -l [sigspec] 07:18
DeannaTheGeekFATAL: Module snd_ac97_bus not found.07:18
crimsunthere's probably nothing to kill07:20
DeannaTheGeekwell, whatever's happening, I now have a little red X next to my speaker icon, which I didn't have before07:21
crimsunright, your sound driver is unloaded, I suspect07:22
crimsuncheck the output of: lsmod |grep ^snd07:22
DeannaTheGeek:-D07:22
DeannaTheGeekmade a whole lot of stuff07:24
DeannaTheGeeklooking for anything in particular?07:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_ac97_bus            2304  007:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_pcm_oss            53664  007:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_mixer_oss          18688  1 snd_pcm_oss07:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_pcm                89864  1 snd_pcm_oss07:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_timer              25220  1 snd_pcm07:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd_page_alloc         10632  1 snd_pcm07:24
DeannaTheGeeksnd                    55268  4 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer07:24
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DeannaTheGeekit's after midnight-I need to crash07:26
DeannaTheGeekif you get any ideas, just keep typing & I'll see them when I wake up07:26
DeannaTheGeekthanks again for all the help Crimsun07:26
DeannaTheGeekif you're ever in Austin, TX, I'll owe ya a beer or two07:26
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Kamping_Kaisercrud. jboss core dumped :/ so much for todays hacking07:40
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cliebowogra travelling?02:04
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DeannaTheGeekmorning02:12
DeannaTheGeekanyone awake?02:12
Kamping_Kaisermorning DeannaTheGeek :) (hope you slept well)02:13
DeannaTheGeekI never sleep well-I always dream about work & SQL02:13
DeannaTheGeek:-D02:13
DeannaTheGeekhow about you Kaiser?  you doing OK?02:14
Kamping_KaiserDeannaTheGeek, i was, until i realised i cant download a bunch of packages i need to do bug work :/02:15
DeannaTheGeekthat stinks :-P02:16
Kamping_Kaiseryeh, its worse then sleep :P02:16
DeannaTheGeekbut not worse than what I'm about to go through02:16
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DeannaTheGeek4 hours of Saturday Morning Cartoons with the kids02:17
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Kamping_Kaisermy thoughts are with you!02:17
cliebowRoadrunner rules02:18
DeannaTheGeekdid you know that Viva Pinata was a Saturday Morning Cartoon before it was an Xbox 360 game?02:18
DeannaTheGeeksome of the ones on Kids' WB are OK02:18
DeannaTheGeeklike the new Scooby Doo Get A Clue02:18
DeannaTheGeekand Loonatics Unleashed isn't too bad02:19
DeannaTheGeekbut Monster Allergies is soo stupid02:19
DeannaTheGeeksoo...02:20
DeannaTheGeekanyone up for a challenge this morning?  :-D02:20
DeannaTheGeekcrimsun was helping me with my sound last night02:21
Kamping_Kaiserits not morning yet!02:21
DeannaTheGeeknow it REALLY not working02:21
DeannaTheGeekit's 7:30 am here02:21
DeannaTheGeekif my kids are awake, it must be morning02:21
Kamping_Kaiserits 23:52 here, so its not morning!02:22
DeannaTheGeekwhere are you?02:22
Kamping_KaiserSouth Australia02:22
DeannaTheGeekgroovy!!!02:22
DeannaTheGeekI'm in Austin, Texas, USA02:22
Kamping_Kaiserneat.02:23
DeannaTheGeekI told my daughter I was talking to someone from Australia, and she asked if I was talking to Bindi's dad :-)02:23
Kamping_Kaiserthats right, you wwere almost a whole day beind when we got the year 2000 ;)02:23
Kamping_Kaisero_002:24
DeannaTheGeekCrocodile Hunter02:24
DeannaTheGeekshe's 502:24
DeannaTheGeekand has a mind like a steel trap02:24
Kamping_Kaisertehehe.02:24
DeannaTheGeekhttp://ladyclairemarie.com02:24
DeannaTheGeekthis would be her02:25
Kamping_Kaiseri'm happily anoyed - a sunblade 150 has PCI0 on its pci slots (where i dont expect it), a 100 has PCI0 onboard (where i'd expect it)02:25
DeannaTheGeekok...02:26
Kamping_Kaiserheh, sorry, random. i'm working on soem computers....02:26
DeannaTheGeekunless you're talking RPGs, I don't know a sunblade from a moonblade02:26
DeannaTheGeek:-)02:26
Kamping_Kaiserlol02:27
Kamping_Kaiserthat picutres pretty cute, btw02:27
DeannaTheGeek:-)02:27
DeannaTheGeekty02:27
DeannaTheGeekshe's my princess02:27
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:28
DeannaTheGeekshe actually has her Basic 3 evaluation today02:28
Kamping_Kaisersunbade -> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/sunblade150/02:28
Kamping_Kaiserwhats basic 3?02:28
DeannaTheGeekfigure skating-beginner skills level02:29
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:29
DeannaTheGeekI didn't know Sun my computers02:30
DeannaTheGeekI thought they were just software02:30
Kamping_Kaisergood heavens no :)02:30
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DeannaTheGeek:-)02:31
Kamping_Kaiser:)02:31
DeannaTheGeekI feel the way about the computers I build02:31
DeannaTheGeekwhich is why I'm trying to learn Linux and escape from Bill Gates' clutches02:31
Kamping_Kaisersuns are proper computers, not pc crap (as a rule), like the alpha by digital. i love the things02:32
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DeannaTheGeekI've only been in IT for 6 years now, so I'm still learning02:33
DeannaTheGeekmaybe I'll learn more hanging around here02:33
Kamping_Kaiseronly? phht.02:33
DeannaTheGeekwell, before that I was an Army linguist02:33
DeannaTheGeekand I spent my whole life working up to that02:34
Kamping_Kaiserwhat do you linguise in? :P02:35
DeannaTheGeekspanish, italian, latin, french, german, portugese, and arabic02:35
DeannaTheGeekbut I only really use Spanish now, since Texas is overrun by Mexicans02:36
Kamping_Kaiser:O i cant even speak english and german properly *grin*02:36
Kamping_Kaiser(actually, i'm good with english... its my native language, i just like the joke)02:36
DeannaTheGeekI speak english and bad english02:36
DeannaTheGeekand my kids & I are learning sign language02:36
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Kamping_Kaiseri tried, it was too much effort when you dont know anyone who speaks it though02:37
Kamping_Kaiserspeaks/signs02:37
DeannaTheGeekmy daughter<was born not able to hear well02:38
DeannaTheGeekshe had to have surgery when she was 202:38
DeannaTheGeekI figured, good idea to be prepared, just in case02:39
Kamping_Kaisergood thinking02:39
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DeannaTheGeekthat, and it makes understanding my son a lot easier02:40
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DeannaTheGeekhe's not even 2 yet, and he does about 10 signs02:40
DeannaTheGeekcuts down on the tantrums02:41
DeannaTheGeekso do you have any ideas on how I can get my sound working?02:42
Kamping_Kaiserask crimsun to fix you up :)02:43
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DeannaTheGeekI don't think he's around right now02:44
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DeannaTheGeeklol02:45
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Kamping_Kaisergnight DeannaTheGeek :) good luck with your sound this morning :)02:49
DeannaTheGeekthx02:50
DeannaTheGeeknite02:50
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Feral_KidHelp!!! :) I used the lockdown editor to lock down my daughter's computer... I need to add some applets to the panel, but I have not been able to unlock her account in order to add the applets... Can someone tell me what I need to do?03:16
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crimsunDeanna-NeedSound: you should unload all the sound modules04:10
crimsunDeanna-NeedSound: sudo modprobe -r $(lsmod |grep ^snd |awk '{print $1}')04:10
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cbx33!seen ogra06:14
ubotuI last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 23h 30m 32s ago, quiting: Connection timed out06:14
juliuxcbx33, ogra is traveling home06:14
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juliuxhi LaserJock06:59
LaserJockhi juliux07:00
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jaybe_hi, i have a problem with gnome-breakout on edubuntu 6.1008:00
jaybe_when I try to start gnome-breakout, I only receive the message:08:00
jaybe_Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)08:00
jaybe_  serial 552 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 008:00
jaybe_Does anybody know the reason for this or a solution?08:01
jaybe_I've search launchpad but had no success08:01
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jaybehi, i have a problem with gnome-breakout on edubuntu 6.1008:04
jaybe when I try to start gnome-breakout, I only receive the message:08:04
jaybe Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)08:04
jaybe   serial 552 error_code 8 request_code 2 minor_code 008:04
jaybe Does anybody know the reason for this or a solution?08:04
jaybe I've search launchpad but had no success08:04
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bddebianHeya08:33
xvlunhi08:34
xvlunare there any complications with the recent freenx version in edubuntu?08:34
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cliebowstill no ogra..08:45
LaserJockhe should be traveling back home I think08:46
littlepaulhi I have a question. We have an thread since 8.108:52
littlepaulWhich device classes can be used by (thinclient)user and which group memberships are needed? The question regards the using of08:52
littlepaulserial devices over usb like phone or palme devices. The respective group for usb devices is fuse08:52
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