[12:38] yuriy: me too === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-81-133.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@124.106.192.130] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-200-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] hello all [01:09] hello ash211 [01:10] i was directed here by dsas regarding bug 81768 [01:10] Malone bug 81768 in amarok "Don't compile amarok packages with Stack Smashing Protection" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81768 [01:10] apparently compiling amarok with it causes UTF-8 errors in Amarok's collection scanner [01:11] but since SSP is enabled for _all_ packages in Ubuntu, there's a bit of a hassle to change things [01:11] anybody know what can be done? === GNUro [i=GNUro@gateway/tor/x-74d271c8248801fc] has left #kubuntu-devel ["(gdb)] [01:12] isnt there a configure parameter to disable it? [01:13] it's a gcc thing, so it can't be easily changed [01:13] let me just quote dean: [01:14] ash211: I think ssp is enabled by default for every package, so as such it's probably amarok that would need changing, but gcc, that said it probably needs a decision from the amarok maintainers. [01:14] ash211: [snip] if I recall correctly ssp is not something specified in a debian/rules packaging file but further down the toolchain. [01:15] this was on #ubuntu-bugs a few minutes ago [01:15] ash211: okay [01:15] ash211: i dont think anyone able to deal with it is up [01:15] guess that's why we have bugtrackers and IRC logs! [01:16] ;-) [01:16] thanks for the help anyway [01:16] np, sorry that i cant help [01:19] question: who does packaging of the newest KOffice? [01:21] the Krita 1.6.1 packages for Edgy don't have gif support [01:26] hmm what are the *-proposed repos for? [01:26] Jucato: testing packages before they are backported [01:26] someone should tell that in #kubuntu... [01:28] eh they are gonna do it anyway all you can really say is theya re not supported (but either are backport repos but we erge people to get flash 9 from there because it cant be uploaded to official repos [01:29] hm... let's just say that they are less to be supported than -backports. :P [01:29] !info krita edgy [01:29] krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 2542 kB, installed size 7932 kB [01:29] NeoChaosX: your suing the 3.5.6 kde? [01:29] using* [01:30] gnomefreak: KOffice 1.6.1 [01:30] that's released separately from KDE [01:30] yeah [01:30] oh yeah doh [01:30] there's 1.6.1 packages available for edgy, but they don't have gif support compiled in for some reason [01:30] and edgy does have koffice 1.6.1 last i heard :( [01:31] 1.5.2, the version included with Edgy, has gif support [01:31] yes I can confirm that (a few weeks ago). You can't save as GIF in Krita [01:31] save/export [01:31] i was going to ask if there would be an update to those 1.6.1 packages to include that support, or if i'd have to wait until feisty [01:32] maybe it was backported but i could swear it ended up in edgy [01:32] it's in Edgy [01:33] http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php [01:33] not from what ubotu is telling me but i could have sworen we got it in edgy [01:33] ubotu doesn't query kubuntu.org repos, afaik [01:34] those are unofficial repos in a sense [01:34] Jucato: it was uploaded to edgy [01:34] main? [01:34] checking now [01:34] policy says no [01:35] guess not :( i wass checking backports [01:36] thought imbrandon was building it for edgy (or atleast one of the betas) [01:36] guess we'll just have to wait for Riddell to wake up [01:36] must have been feisty [01:36] dang [01:36] but I can confirm the behavior, and can see that I can save as GIF in KOffice 1.6.1 from SVN [01:36] might want to file a bug on the krita issue incase you forgot by than [01:37] it's already been filed, but nobody's acted on it yet [01:37] bug report #? [01:37] NeoChaosX: you got bug number handy? === kwilliam [n=william@cpe-24-209-219-84.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] hold on [01:37] Jucato: can you please confirm it i want to try something [01:38] gnomefreak: sure [01:38] ty [01:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/71711 [01:38] Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:38] hm... not sure if it can't open GIFs though... that part I can't remember/haven't tested [01:38] it can't, i just tried it === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:39] gifs don't show up in the filepicker, and gif isn't an supported filetype option [01:39] anyone have a gif handy? [01:39] the bug has been confirmed already [01:39] that might be why i didnt see it [01:39] gnomefreak: Google? :P [01:39] hmmm [01:40] i have one [01:40] but like he said it dont show up in filepicker [01:40] svn is ok? [01:40] yep [01:41] yeah, looks like an overlooked dependency didn't get compiled in [01:41] same thing in feisty [01:41] no GIF support in feisty too? [01:41] dang [01:41] let me check a few other things real fast [01:42] does png happen to show up in file picker for you guys? [01:42] yeah, png's a supported filetype for me === Jucato nods [01:42] brb [01:45] give me 15 minutes or so phone [01:50] gif == unsupported in feisty as well [01:51] ok bbs i have to get somethings done before bed [01:51] alright === Jucato makes a mental note to ask imbrandon or Riddell about it +6 hours from now... === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-d9321344.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-52-58.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rdorsc [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.119] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] Hobbsee!!! [04:17] hey Jucato! [04:25] ^_^ [04:26] heya manchicken [04:26] Hello all you happy people. [04:26] hi manchicken! [04:27] What's going on? === Hobbsee is just a confused person [04:27] heh [04:27] Miller Lite just isn't doing it for me. === Jucato is once again disoriented... [04:27] Man, I could really use some real beer. === Jucato wonders if manchicken could use some real deer too [05:09] Jucato: I like deer chili. [05:09] O.o [05:20] I take it you've never had deer chili. [06:31] are there any kdevelop 3.4 packages somewhere? [06:32] !info kdevelop3 feisty [06:32] kdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB [06:32] !info kdevelop feisty [06:32] kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.5-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 7817 kB, installed size 24712 kB === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:33] Hobbsee: hello! do you know who packaged KOffice 1.6.x? [06:33] yuriy: kdevelop | 4:3.3.6-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org feisty/main Packages? [06:33] Jucato: probably Riddell? [06:33] or imbrandon? [06:33] ah ok. we'll just wait for them to wake up :) [06:34] Hacking time. [06:34] 6am UTC... [06:34] manchicken: on what? [06:34] Trying to get tooltips into my supported packages indicator icon. [06:35] ah nice :) [06:35] Then I'm thinking of adding popularity info [06:35] ha! lot of good that will do :P [06:35] wanna bet libxine-extracodecs would be one of the most popular for Kubuntu? :D === Hobbsee wonders whether to be pretty to go to work tonight [06:35] Jucato: yeah, if it got turned on === Jucato thinks someone might be "inspired" by CNR :P [06:36] Hobbsee: 3.4 isn't released yet, it's around beta level afaik, i was hoping to use it because it's designed for qt4, whereas with 3.3 you have to set environmental variables and start from scratch if you want to use qt4 [06:36] Hobbsee: if manchicken's popularity info will be based on number of times downloaded or something... it will definitely be one of the most popular :) [06:36] Right, but if you're installing text editors the popularity information could be useful to help people use GNU Emacs instead of vi or nano ;) [06:36] Jucato: It'll be whatever is in the .desktop file. [06:37] lol :) [06:37] Perhaps I'll do changelog stuff first. [06:37] Hobbsee: i was actually trying to do the usplash-switcher thing, sounded like a good beginner c++/qt project [06:37] yuriy: :) [06:37] ah ha.... [06:37] I thought KDevelop 3.4 was going to be released with KDE 3.5.6? === Jucato didn't know it was supposed to be designed for Qt 4... [06:38] Jucato: with as in around the same time [06:38] so probably like in a week : ) === Hobbsee makes a mental note to look at that later [06:38] Jucato: well designed mostly as in the templates in it are for qt4 === Hobbsee --> work === Jucato makes a mental note to ask Sho_ and annma about Qt3 support in KDevelop 3.4... [06:39] I want to learn to develop for Qt 3/KDE 3 first :P [06:39] from the FAQ for 3.3: Use "Hello World" when creating a new project, not "Application", or your first Qt4 project will be a Qt3->Qt4 porting project :) === Hobbsee wants to just start with qt4 [06:39] me too === Mez starts Hobbsee with Qt5 [06:40] #include [06:40] Mez: heh [06:40] Jucato: i think starting now with qt3/kde3 is kinda of silly. instantly obsolete. [06:40] s/Qt5/Qt4/ [06:40] yuriy: I just want to start working on something that's already there and something that will still be used for quite some time [06:41] not everybody will be keen on upgrading to KDE 4.0 immediately, maybe 4.1 [06:41] doesn't mean I won't be studying KDE 4 in depth though... [06:41] well then make 4.1 come faster :P [06:41] lol :) [06:41] I wish I make 4.0 come faster :) [06:42] (for some reason, those sentences just don't sound right...) [06:42] don't we all. but quality comes first of course === yuriy feels lazy and wishes there were python bindings for usplash-theme.h === Jucato wishes usplash were as easily themable as splashy... [06:46] so nobody knows of any kdevelop 3.4 packages? ok i guess i need to find out what QTDIR is supposed to be and start from scratch === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:57] manchicken: you could have said "Okay, anybody spefically know how to get a specific tooltip over a specific column in a speicific qlistviewitem or a specific qpixmap?" :D [06:58] Actually, if I could tie a tooltip to a pixmap that'd be ideal. [06:58] I've got the pixmap in global context, it would make sense to have the tooltip attached to it. [07:01] if you can't tie a tooltip to a pixmap, can you put the pixmap in some other widget and just tie the tooltip to that? [07:01] Well, it's in a qlistviewitem [07:01] In a specific column of that qlistviewitem [07:01] That may or may not be resized. [07:02] oh right and you can only add pixmaps and strings to it, right? [07:03] Dunno... but there'd be serious reworking to change it. [07:05] any -core-dev around ? [07:05] crimsun, ? [07:05] hi? [07:06] crimsun, I've got a patch for konversation i think would be a good idea [07:06] btw looks like qlistviewitems are gone in qt4 [07:07] crimsun, it's a one line change, setting the port of the default server to 8001 [07:07] secures people from the DCC exploit [07:07] would you mind uploading ? [07:07] throw me a debdiff, sure === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:09] crimsun, http://rafb.net/p/10H0rB14.html [07:10] I think I figured it out. [07:11] crimsun, actually - scratch taht [07:11] lemme fix it properly [07:11] that patch doesnt work [07:19] yuriy: The adept port to qt4/kde4 will be a considerable undertaking. [07:19] manchicken: i can imagine. wait no, i can't [07:19] heh [07:19] I ported the SMS protocol for kopete's KDE4 porting efforts... [07:19] Quite tedious. [07:20] And that was only a small plugin for kopete. [07:21] i'm far too spoiled by java and python.. and even scheme. c/c++ is hard :P [07:21] I may hate Java less once the GPL'ed stuff comes out. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:21] Until then I really dislike it. [07:22] ^_^ [07:22] i'm not liking it particularly. swing is quite a pain [07:22] C++ really is quite easy. [07:22] yean, i'm just not used to it. i forgot how you have to make headers and prototypes and stuff [07:23] crimsun, this works: http://rafb.net/p/qcalvn44.txt [07:23] You don't always have to do it that way. [07:23] my intro programming class a few years ago was c++, but pretty much every class i've taken since has used java [07:23] You only have to make headers if you want other C/C++ files to be able to use stuff. [07:23] Yeah, I have a problem with that. [07:23] we have an operating systems class at my school and THAT uses java [07:24] It's only because Sun managed to gain some market share, and now we've got a bunch of college students with less than adequate educations. [07:25] UIUC has been corrupted by mostly Java curriculum for almost 10 years now. [07:25] i think my college just uses it because it's fairly easy, and they don't actually teach us programming anyway [07:25] But that's assuming that something else is harder. [07:26] And I would disagree. [07:26] a good curriculum _doesn't_ teach you programming [07:26] Try handling system interrupts in Java. [07:26] Try doing anything that involves OS interaction in Java. [07:27] Signals, memory management, etc. [07:27] crimsun: well then we have a good curriculum :) and yeah i know what you mean [07:27] manchicken: yeah that's why i think it's really weird that the Systems course uses it === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:28] yuriy: I also don't think colleges should teach non-free software. === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-52-58.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:28] well, that unfortunately is just how it is. though java is almost free :) and other than that my cs department is actually fairly insistent on OSS [07:29] It's not about open source, it's about colleges not perpetuating corrupt systems ;) [07:29] but that's another topic for a time when I'm not hacking ;) [07:29] our computer lab has red hat on the desktops and the admin refuses to entertain any request to add windows computers, it's great [07:29] ah sorry to distract! [07:29] Redhat perpetuates that same corrupt system. [07:30] hmm? [07:31] Anybody who sells non-free software perpetuates that corrupt system. === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.216.172.94] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ is now known as freeflying === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-204-24.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:31] ah my c++ skills... over a dozen errors from a couple lines of code [08:32] That's not just you ^_^ [08:32] That's everybody. [08:32] That's programming ;) [08:32] Start with the first message and go from there ;) [08:33] usually get away with a couple... and in scripts you can only get one at a time === mbiebl [n=michael@e180104218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-d9321344.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.31] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-94-12.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-43.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@218-75.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180104218.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luc [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luc__ [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luc__ [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB61.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] frerich_, clee: it's a freedesktop.org project [12:10] yuriy: how do you know about kdevelop 3.4? === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-207-176.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-133-55.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@byrt-c3471225.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves [12:40] hi Hobbsee [12:40] hey Riddell! [12:40] anyone got any good jobs around? === Hobbsee is starting to wonder if the company she works for only employs rude people for high level positions.... === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-013-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] hi Hobbsee [12:48] hey mhb! [12:48] hmm... is it normal to mount a CD automatically? [12:49] yes [12:49] on startup [12:50] that was a surprise to me, thanks for answering [12:50] dunno [12:51] Riddell: Crystal will be the default iconset for Feisty? [12:51] mhb: cds should automount, yes [12:52] Hobbsee: I know a lot of doctors needing here. ;) [12:52] Tm_T: i'm no doctor :( [12:52] mhb: yes [12:52] Hobbsee: Hmm, then busdriver? [12:52] Nurse? [12:53] Tm_T: actually, i saw some nice bus driver jobs :P [12:53] Honest politician? [12:53] Hmm, no, that wasn't available... [12:54] Riddell: crystal icon for sharing looks kind of confusing ... /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/actions/share.png [12:55] mhb: yep [12:55] Tm_T: hah [12:56] Tm_T: well, i can yell at people :P [12:58] mhb, Hobbsee: either of you on edgy? [12:59] Riddell: nope, sorry. i do have an edgy partition that i can reboot to though [12:59] I need kdevelop 3.4 tested for sanity [12:59] Riddell: not right now, although I can boot another computer with it if you need it [12:59] now in the same archive as kde 3.5.6 [01:04] Riddell: about the confusing icon: it would be most likely a waste of time to create a brand new one for an iconset that gets obsolete very soon [01:05] mhb: yep [01:05] Riddell: the icon is (also) used as an emblem - appears on the folders that are shared [01:05] yes [01:06] Riddell: perhaps we can try taking that icon from another iconset or modifying the sharing emblem of Human to match Crystal colors [01:06] mhb: you need to talk to kwwii about it [01:07] okay, I'll poke him [01:07] Hobbsee, mhb: either of you testing? [01:07] Riddell: not at the moment === Hobbsee is dinnering while it's hot, in truth [01:08] Riddell: I'll test it in 3 minutes === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:20] Hobbsee: Hmm, yell? I "work" as school assistant. ;) [01:20] Tm_T: hehe [01:20] Riddell: remember when you talked with Tonio about pop-ups and he said something about bluetooth having a pop-up on every startup? It's true. [01:20] Riddell: installing kdevelop, btw [01:20] Tm_T: well, as long as you avoid the chairs being thrown at you [01:21] Hobbsee: No need to avoid desks? [01:21] Tm_T: ahh...so the kids there are stronger than the kids here, at least at that age... [01:22] Hobbsee: Well, some of those 7 year old are heavier than me... ;) [01:22] heh [01:22] And they never come at me alone, ouch. [01:22] now that's *scary* [01:22] mhb: it's true if you have a bluetooth adaptor, the icon should be enough though [01:26] Riddell: it doesn't pop up only an icon [01:26] Riddell: it a) plays a sound b) pops-up "Adapter found" on top left c) shows the icon [01:27] Riddell: kdevelop seems to work fine for me [01:27] mhb: excellent thanks [01:27] hmm, playing sound is a bit evil [01:28] well, it's all good if you plug in a device [01:28] but if it's in from startup you just need the icon === luo [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] Riddell: kbluetoothd plays KDE_Dialog_Appear.wav when it detects the adapter ... and it plays it before the startup sound - it may give the user a feeling of an error [01:31] shouldn't be hard to patch [01:31] just a if (!KApplication::isRestored()) { } around the popup and sound lines === LongPointyStick is now known as LongestPointySti === LongestPointySti is now known as LongPointyStick === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === luc [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:11] Riddell: it seems mp3 support is handled by libxine1-ffmpeg now, which is in main [02:11] how confusing [02:11] guess we need to update amarok === Hobbsee rofl's at http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/20509065.html === Tm_T is waiting new Wine === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-d93210e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] Maybe I can drop my biggest need of XP finally. [02:14] what's that? [02:14] Riddell: since it is in main, everyone is free (as in freedom) to use that? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A74662.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] Riddell: My iPaq doesn't understand anything else sync but MS Exchange OR MS Outlook with MS ActiveSync. [02:16] That's basically only big problem with this machine. [02:18] Riddell: that means - is it still legally impossible to add it into Kubuntu-desktop? [02:18] most certainly it is === mhb thought main is free stuff only [02:18] so...why's libxine1-ffmpeg in main? [02:19] siretart was fed up splitting it, or something [02:20] right === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-43.customer.fulladsl.be] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Remember] === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEF5CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.112.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] new kipi-plugins I see [02:33] hi Riddell! have you seen NeoChaosX's questions? [02:36] don't think so === firephoto_ [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] it's about KOffice 1.6.x having no GIF support [02:36] bug 71711 [02:36] Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71711 === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.0.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] Ouch [02:38] Jucato: Can you throw me with a GIF ? === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] hm.. let me look [02:39] Ah, found one. [02:39] bah [02:39] ...and works, but I compile myself. [02:39] ditto [02:39] svn works of course, if compiled with GIF support [02:40] Jucato: Well, it's not always "ofcourse" ;) [02:40] sorry, I put the comma in the wrong place [02:40] "svn works, of course if compiled with GIF support" [02:40] :P [02:40] ... [02:41] (but then again, I could build koffice from branches, and had to settle for tags 1.6.1 === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.240.140.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] <_Sime> does the edgy install disk include the option to resize NTFS partitions? anyone? [03:05] _Sime: Without destroying files inside? Hmm, no idea. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:14] <_Sime> I'm good at destruction. But non-destructive was the idea... [03:14] <_Sime> the installer might have it. [03:17] <_Sime> I'll just have to try it out. === luc [n=luc@230-82-244-84.zapcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neoncode [n=neoncode@89.240.140.212] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde is now known as neversfelde_bw === neversfelde_bw is now known as neversfelde === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] _Sime: it does [03:41] <_Sime> ok thanks [03:41] _Sime: It takes a while and there is no progress bar though [03:42] or something like that === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rdorsch [i=rdorsch@nat/ibm/x-0b1a4bfe5d2ea7ad] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A73E2D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.229.104] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.112.34] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR_ [i=krztV7VS@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-133-55.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-0-150.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-0-150.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] heh, has anybody watched the memory footprint of amarok while it's running? [05:13] It seems to just keep going and going and going... [05:13] Not too fast, but certainly noticeable. === ReTyPe [n=pvandewy@186.83-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:16] i just installed Kubuntu64 on my harddisk, and i think i found a bug, when it adds itself to grub, it says Ubuntu, and not Kubuntu 64 !! [05:16] it never says Kubuntu in GRUB at all [05:17] That's not a bug. === rdorsch [i=rdorsch@nat/ibm/x-6dfd2982c78b69ae] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] Kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE. [05:17] hmm, i know, but it was confusing for me, as i installed it next to an ubuntu [05:17] ok, and how do i test the newest kde ? [05:17] You can change that yourself. [05:17] i know in /boot/grub/menu.lst [05:18] when i try to run update manager i dont get kde 3.5.6 [05:19] it says "a next version is available, klik nest" and then closes [05:20] ReTyPe: is this edgy? [05:21] gnomefreak: given the next version..... message, I think it's probably feisty? [05:21] the latest kubuntu 64 , the beta 2 [05:21] jdong: i was thinking edgy with -d option [05:22] gnomefreak: does kubuntu have any -d options? :D [05:22] ReTyPe: what version does lsb_release -a [05:22] say [05:22] update-manager does [05:22] gnomefreak: yeah but he just installed kubuntu... [05:22] jdong: but he said he used update-manager [05:23] ubuntu feisty 7.04 [05:23] without the - [05:23] ReTyPe: thats not the latest but ok [05:23] ReTyPe: use synaptic or adept or apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade [05:23] ReTyPe: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should install the new kde stuff if its not already [05:23] ReTyPe: to effect a full system update [05:23] in init 3 ? [05:24] no.... [05:24] don't use runlevel 3 please [05:24] lol [05:24] just the default standard GUI is fine [05:24] you can update it in place just fine [05:24] ReTyPe: there is no "runlevel 3" concept in Ubuntu.... [05:24] 1 is single user, 2 is normal [05:24] that's all that's really implemented [05:26] when i open KDE System settings, i get unsopported platform [05:27] can you please fully update your system first? [05:27] i need to change my network settings [05:28] given those circumstances you're better doing that at the command line [05:31] ok, i change my resolv.conf manually [05:32] now apt-get is working [05:32] looks like installing 3.5.6 === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] i want to update my nvidia drivers, so i can get native tft resolution [05:46] /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-common_2.1.2ubuntu10_all.deb [05:46] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [05:47] http://rafb.net/p/Ex3zIJ92.html [05:52] anyone still here ? [05:53] ReTyPe: have patience [05:54] ReTyPe: if someone wants to reply, he will === elcuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-207-176.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121dvu.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:06] i did an aptitude upgrade first, now it works [06:21] ReTyPe: FYI, #ubuntu+1 is probably the best place for you to get support on the development versions of Ubuntu. Here is where the devs usually collaborate, but seeing it as a weekend, I am sure they are all out dancing and doing whatever [06:24] k, thx i found the chan allready === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-81-133.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-22-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-133-55.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-0-150.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] Heya === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rdorsch [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] evening bddebian [08:50] Heya mhb === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-207-176.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:16] is there any Kubuntu-specific HOWTO on how to build KDE4 ? [09:16] (i.e. a list of packages needed) === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:33] wow, pinheiro and kwwii o2 is so f'n hot! === mhb likes it too [09:34] man, I love the Konqueror buttons hardcore, and the new buttons in Kontact, the folders, everything [09:34] I want them icons in my firefox too :) [09:36] nixternal: I started working on that a while ago [09:36] nixternal: but the icons change so fast and it's not allowed to use those icons before KDE4 launches [09:39] I can use them :) [09:40] I have a .deb now of it I created, so it will be easy to update === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:45] nixternal: use as in release [09:45] oh ya, I am not releasing them, I am using them local [09:46] man, there are a lot of super clear icons, which I have never seen before. Even at 16x16 you can totally make out the icons [09:46] excellent === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:02] nixternal: any chance you want to send me that deb to try out? :) [10:02] yuriy: it's easy to fetch it from SVN & build [10:02] yuriy: two commands, actually :o) [10:03] ya yuriy, unless pinheiro or kwwii said it was OK I would, but like mhb said it is easy to do yourself === nixternal does't want to violate the COPYING [10:04] i don't understand? [10:04] yuriy: do a svn chceckout in trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen [10:05] all you need I believe is theme and utils [10:05] true [10:05] mhb: i guess i will. i've been too lazy to check it out because i don't dislike crystal [10:05] heya [10:05] there are still some missing icons, but I can't wait until the final release [10:05] hiya pinheiro! [10:05] nixternal: i meant i don't understand what distributing a deb violates === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:06] heya nixternal [10:07] yuriy: truthfully, their COPYING file states I can't do what I did pretty much in the first place, so sending it to you would violate the developers rule even more [10:07] now, if it was an icon package for windows and they were trying to be sneaky, then I would hand it out to the world with a smile, but since it is pinheiro and kwwii doing the good stuff, I figured I would be nice :) [10:09] we encourage every one to test it for a spin === cuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-207-176.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] ic [10:09] but its still a work in progress so general publick reliese is not a good idea [10:10] we want to get it as good as possible before that === manchicken__ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] pinheiro: I like the new back,forward browser icons too === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5402AB61.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] semas most people do [10:16] seams [10:16] kite hapy with them actualy [10:24] it seems i forgot my password, though i don't think i did. this is rather annoying. === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-48-130.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@nrbg-d93210e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-48-130.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cuco [n=elcuco@bzq-82-81-207-176.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [n=tez@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=Nael@ppp-71-139-200-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] heya! === robertknight [n=robert@81-178-247-253.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:24] does anyone know why kdevelop 3.4.0 packages were announced on kubuntu.org, but the download links reference the KDE repo? === ingmar [n=ingmar@86-39-2-105.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:27] danimo: probably cut&paste by Riddell ;-) [11:28] Lure: no, it actually even references that page [11:28] well, that could be a c&p error, too [11:28] Luw [11:29] Lure: what repo has it then? === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] danimo: it says: Update: KDevelop 3.4 has now been added to the archive. [11:30] danimo: so it looks like you need 3.5.6 repo [11:30] ok, then my mirror simply didn't synch yet [11:31] danimo: feisty or edgy? kdevelop 3.4 is not yet in feisty [11:31] danimo: edgy is there http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356/pool-edgy/kdevelop34/ [11:33] ah [11:33] danimo: the packages are in the 356 repo [11:33] danimo: which you probably figured out by now :o) [11:34] mhb: well, I used the official kde repo as announced on kubuntu.org, which is a ftp.kde.org mirror [11:35] ah === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-94-138-57.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:43] Okay, so who wants to help me stick a tooltip on a pixmap in a specific column of a specific qlistviewitem? ;) [11:43] heh [11:43] can't be too hard now can it? [11:43] That's what I thought. [11:44] I've been fighting it off and on for about 1.5 weeks now. [11:44] wow [11:45] hmm where did that qt:/ kio or whatever it was that i have on edgy come from... === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-22-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-22-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pinheiro [n=pinheiro@bl4-22-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [11:58] danimo: they're in the KDE repository [11:58] robertknight! [11:59] Riddell: Hello :) [11:59] Riddell: right, unless you use ftp.kde.org [11:59] Riddell: You got any tips for my previous question? ;) [11:59] danimo: oh aye, I need to rsync that, oops [11:59] manchicken_: what's that? [12:00] "Okay, so who wants to help me stick a tooltip on a pixmap in a specific column of a specific qlistviewitem? ;)" [12:00] manchicken_: might be a little overboard, but would it be possible to subclass qpixmap, give it some sort of tooltip capability, and use that? [12:01] I thought about that, but tooltips only work on qwidgets. [12:01] Riddell :) [12:02] manchicken_: qlistviews have always seemed inflexible to me [12:02] in qt 3 and 4 [12:04] manchicken_: there is a hack for that in Qt3, it's simple with a custom model in qt4 [12:04] manchicken_: unfortunately, I don't remember the qt3 hack [12:04] manchicken_: browsing the kde-devel and qt-interest archives should help though [12:05] hmm... interesting DVD box cover for 6.10.. http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/50005-kubuntucover2.JPG [12:06] manchicken_: KListView::setTooltipColumn ( int column ) [12:06] That reminds me... I handed out the last of my edgy CDs sharing the love. Anybody know where I might be able to find some more? Or how much do they cost? [12:07] toma: Is that KDE3? [12:07] manchicken_: yeps [12:07] toma: If you're right I'll send out a message to the mailing list declaring you as my hero. heh [12:08] oh noes. then everyone is going to ask me for advise ;-0 [12:11] manchicken_: you probably want a klistview anyhow to get all the fancy colors ;-) [12:12] o no, thats handled by the klistviewitems [12:12] ah, bla.. [12:13] I'm working on legacy code, so I didn't really get much choice. [12:13] manchicken_: FREE for the CDs [12:14] check out the ShipIt links, but you can't get Edgy, however I can and will put in another order [12:14] nixternal: I'm gonna try to be at the next chibuntu, so I'll bring you a sixpack to help cover your expenses ;) [12:15] a sixer of Green Tea will do just fine :) [12:15] The Sobe stuff? [12:15] Or snapple? [12:15] it is my new addiction. No the Diet Lipton w/ Citrus [12:15] Ooh, a discerning palette. [12:15] hehe