[12:38] <mhb> yuriy: me too
[01:09] <ash211> hello all
[01:09] <toma> hello ash211
[01:10] <ash211> i was directed here by dsas regarding bug 81768
[01:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81768 in amarok "Don't compile amarok packages with Stack Smashing Protection" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81768
[01:10] <ash211> apparently compiling amarok with it causes UTF-8 errors in Amarok's collection scanner
[01:11] <ash211> but since SSP is enabled for _all_ packages in Ubuntu, there's a bit of a hassle to change things
[01:11] <ash211> anybody know what can be done?
[01:12] <toma> isnt there a configure parameter to disable it?
[01:13] <ash211> it's a gcc thing, so it can't be easily changed
[01:13] <ash211> let me just quote dean:
 ash211: I think ssp is enabled by default for every package, so as such it's probably amarok that would need changing, but gcc, that said it probably needs a decision from the amarok maintainers.
 ash211: [snip]  if I recall correctly ssp is not something specified in a debian/rules packaging file but further down the toolchain.
[01:15] <ash211> this was on #ubuntu-bugs a few minutes ago
[01:15] <toma> ash211: okay
[01:15] <toma> ash211: i dont think anyone able to deal with it is up
[01:15] <ash211> guess that's why we have bugtrackers and IRC logs!
[01:16] <toma> ;-)
[01:16] <ash211> thanks for the help anyway
[01:16] <toma> np, sorry that i cant help
[01:19] <NeoChaosX> question: who does packaging of the newest KOffice?
[01:21] <NeoChaosX> the Krita 1.6.1 packages for Edgy don't have gif support
[01:26] <Jucato> hmm what are the *-proposed repos for?
[01:26] <gnomefreak> Jucato: testing packages before they are backported
[01:26] <Jucato> someone should tell that in #kubuntu...
[01:28] <gnomefreak> eh they are gonna do it anyway all you can really say is theya re not supported (but either are backport repos but we erge people to get flash 9 from there because it cant be uploaded to official repos
[01:29] <Jucato> hm... let's just say that they are less to be supported than -backports. :P
[01:29] <gnomefreak> !info krita edgy
[01:29] <ubotu> krita: a pixel-based image manipulation program for the KDE Office Suite. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2.1 (edgy), package size 2542 kB, installed size 7932 kB
[01:29] <gnomefreak> NeoChaosX: your suing the 3.5.6 kde?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> using*
[01:30] <Jucato> gnomefreak: KOffice 1.6.1
[01:30] <Jucato> that's released separately from KDE
[01:30] <NeoChaosX> yeah
[01:30] <gnomefreak> oh yeah doh
[01:30] <NeoChaosX> there's 1.6.1 packages available for edgy, but they don't have gif support compiled in for some reason
[01:30] <gnomefreak> and edgy does have koffice 1.6.1 last i heard :(
[01:31] <NeoChaosX> 1.5.2, the version included with Edgy, has gif support
[01:31] <Jucato> yes I can confirm that (a few weeks ago). You can't save as GIF in Krita
[01:31] <Jucato> save/export
[01:31] <NeoChaosX> i was going to ask if there would be an update to those 1.6.1 packages to include that support, or if i'd have to wait until feisty
[01:32] <gnomefreak> maybe it was backported but i could swear it ended up in edgy
[01:32] <Jucato> it's in Edgy
[01:33] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-161.php
[01:33] <gnomefreak> not from what ubotu is telling me but i could have sworen we got it in edgy
[01:33] <Jucato> ubotu doesn't query kubuntu.org repos, afaik
[01:34] <gnomefreak> those are unofficial repos in a sense
[01:34] <gnomefreak> Jucato: it was uploaded to edgy
[01:34] <Jucato> main?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> checking now
[01:34] <Jucato> policy says no
[01:35] <gnomefreak> guess not :( i wass checking backports
[01:36] <gnomefreak> thought imbrandon was building it for edgy (or atleast one of the betas)
[01:36] <Jucato> guess we'll just have to wait for Riddell to wake up
[01:36] <gnomefreak> must have been feisty
[01:36] <NeoChaosX> dang
[01:36] <Jucato> but I can confirm the behavior, and can see that I can save as GIF in KOffice 1.6.1 from SVN
[01:36] <gnomefreak> might want to file a bug on the krita issue incase you forgot by than
[01:37] <NeoChaosX> it's already been filed, but nobody's acted on it yet
[01:37] <Jucato> bug report #?
[01:37] <gnomefreak> NeoChaosX: you got bug number handy?
[01:37] <NeoChaosX> hold on
[01:37] <gnomefreak> Jucato: can you please confirm it i want to try something
[01:38] <Jucato> gnomefreak: sure
[01:38] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:38] <NeoChaosX> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice/+bug/71711
[01:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:38] <Jucato> hm... not sure if it can't open GIFs though... that part I can't remember/haven't tested
[01:38] <NeoChaosX> it can't, i just tried it
[01:39] <NeoChaosX> gifs don't show up in the filepicker, and gif isn't an supported filetype option
[01:39] <gnomefreak> anyone have a gif handy?
[01:39] <Jucato> the bug has been confirmed already
[01:39] <gnomefreak> that might be why i didnt see it
[01:39] <Jucato> gnomefreak: Google? :P
[01:39] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[01:40] <gnomefreak> i have one
[01:40] <gnomefreak> but like he said it dont show up in filepicker
[01:40] <gnomefreak> svn is ok?
[01:40] <Jucato> yep
[01:41] <NeoChaosX> yeah, looks like an overlooked dependency didn't get compiled in
[01:41] <gnomefreak> same thing in feisty
[01:41] <Jucato> no GIF support in feisty too?
[01:41] <NeoChaosX> dang
[01:41] <gnomefreak> let me check a few other things real fast
[01:42] <gnomefreak> does png happen to show up in file picker for you guys?
[01:42] <NeoChaosX> yeah, png's a supported filetype for me
[01:42] <Jucato> brb
[01:45] <gnomefreak> give me 15 minutes or so phone
[01:50] <gnomefreak> gif == unsupported in feisty as well
[01:51] <gnomefreak> ok bbs i have to get somethings done before bed
[01:51] <NeoChaosX> alright
[04:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[04:25] <manchicken> ^_^
[04:26] <Hobbsee> heya manchicken
[04:26] <manchicken> Hello all you happy people.
[04:26] <Jucato> hi manchicken!
[04:27] <manchicken> What's going on?
[04:27] <manchicken> heh
[04:27] <manchicken> Miller Lite just isn't doing it for me.
[04:27] <manchicken> Man, I could really use some real beer.
[05:09] <manchicken> Jucato: I like deer chili.
[05:09] <Jucato> O.o
[05:20] <manchicken> I take it you've never had deer chili.
[06:31] <yuriy> are there any kdevelop 3.4 packages somewhere?
[06:32] <Hobbsee> !info kdevelop3 feisty
[06:32] <ubotu> kdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB
[06:32] <Hobbsee> !info kdevelop feisty
[06:32] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.5-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 7817 kB, installed size 24712 kB
[06:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: hello! do you know who packaged KOffice 1.6.x?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> yuriy:   kdevelop | 4:3.3.6-0ubuntu1 | http://kubuntu.org feisty/main Packages?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: probably Riddell?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> or imbrandon?
[06:33] <Jucato> ah ok. we'll just wait for them to wake up :)
[06:34] <manchicken> Hacking time.
[06:34] <Jucato> 6am UTC...
[06:34] <Jucato> manchicken: on what?
[06:34] <manchicken> Trying to get tooltips into my supported packages indicator icon.
[06:35] <Jucato> ah nice :)
[06:35] <manchicken> Then I'm thinking of adding popularity info
[06:35] <Jucato> ha! lot of good that will do :P
[06:35] <Jucato> wanna bet libxine-extracodecs would be one of the most popular for Kubuntu? :D
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, if it got turned on
[06:36] <yuriy> Hobbsee: 3.4 isn't released yet, it's around beta level afaik, i was hoping to use it because it's designed for qt4, whereas with 3.3 you have to set environmental variables and start from scratch if you want to use qt4
[06:36] <Jucato> Hobbsee: if manchicken's popularity info will be based on number of times downloaded or something... it will definitely be one of the most popular :)
[06:36] <manchicken> Right, but if you're installing text editors the popularity information could be useful to help people use GNU Emacs instead of vi or nano ;)
[06:36] <manchicken> Jucato: It'll be whatever is in the .desktop file.
[06:37] <Jucato> lol :)
[06:37] <manchicken> Perhaps I'll do changelog stuff first.
[06:37] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i was actually trying to do the usplash-switcher thing, sounded like a good beginner c++/qt project
[06:37] <Hobbsee> yuriy: :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> ah ha....
[06:37] <Jucato> I thought KDevelop 3.4 was going to be released with KDE 3.5.6?
[06:38] <yuriy> Jucato: with as in around the same time
[06:38] <yuriy> so probably like in a week : )
[06:38] <yuriy> Jucato: well designed mostly as in the templates in it are for qt4
[06:39] <Jucato> I want to learn to develop for Qt 3/KDE 3 first :P
[06:39] <yuriy> from the FAQ for 3.3: Use "Hello World" when creating a new project, not "Application", or your first Qt4 project will be a Qt3->Qt4 porting project :)
[06:39] <yuriy> me too
[06:40] <Mez> #include <Qt4.h>
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: heh
[06:40] <yuriy> Jucato: i think starting now with qt3/kde3 is kinda of silly. instantly obsolete.
[06:40] <Mez> s/Qt5/Qt4/
[06:40] <Jucato> yuriy: I just want to start working on something that's already there and something that will still be used for quite some time
[06:41] <Jucato> not everybody will be keen on upgrading to KDE 4.0 immediately, maybe 4.1
[06:41] <Jucato> doesn't mean I won't be studying KDE 4 in depth though...
[06:41] <yuriy> well then make 4.1 come faster :P
[06:41] <Jucato> lol :)
[06:41] <Jucato> I wish I make 4.0 come faster :)
[06:42] <Jucato> (for some reason, those sentences just don't sound right...)
[06:42] <yuriy> don't we all. but quality comes first of course
[06:46] <yuriy> so nobody knows of any kdevelop 3.4 packages? ok i guess i need to find out what QTDIR is supposed to be and start from scratch
[06:57] <Jucato> manchicken: you could have said "Okay, anybody spefically know how to get a specific tooltip over a specific column in a speicific qlistviewitem or a specific qpixmap?" :D
[06:58] <manchicken> Actually, if I could tie a tooltip to a pixmap that'd be ideal.
[06:58] <manchicken> I've got the pixmap in global context, it would make sense to have the tooltip attached to it.
[07:01] <yuriy> if you can't tie a tooltip to a pixmap, can you put the pixmap in some other widget and just tie the tooltip to that?
[07:01] <manchicken> Well, it's in a qlistviewitem
[07:01] <manchicken> In a specific column of that qlistviewitem
[07:01] <manchicken> That may or may not be resized.
[07:02] <yuriy> oh right and you can only add pixmaps and strings to it, right?
[07:03] <manchicken> Dunno... but there'd be serious reworking to change it.
[07:05] <Mez> any -core-dev around ?
[07:05] <Mez> crimsun, ?
[07:05] <crimsun> hi?
[07:06] <Mez> crimsun, I've got a patch for konversation i think would be a good idea
[07:06] <yuriy> btw looks like qlistviewitems are gone in qt4
[07:07] <Mez> crimsun, it's a one line change, setting the port of the default server to 8001
[07:07] <Mez> secures people from the DCC exploit
[07:07] <Mez> would you mind uploading ?
[07:07] <crimsun> throw me a debdiff, sure
[07:09] <Mez> crimsun, http://rafb.net/p/10H0rB14.html
[07:10] <manchicken> I think I figured it out.
[07:11] <Mez> crimsun, actually - scratch taht
[07:11] <Mez> lemme fix it properly
[07:11] <Mez> that patch doesnt work
[07:19] <manchicken> yuriy: The adept port to qt4/kde4 will be a considerable undertaking.
[07:19] <yuriy> manchicken: i can imagine. wait no, i can't
[07:19] <manchicken> heh
[07:19] <manchicken> I ported the SMS protocol for kopete's KDE4 porting efforts...
[07:19] <manchicken> Quite tedious.
[07:20] <manchicken> And that was only a small plugin for kopete.
[07:21] <yuriy> i'm far too spoiled by java and python.. and even scheme. c/c++ is hard :P
[07:21] <manchicken> I may hate Java less once the GPL'ed stuff comes out.
[07:21] <manchicken> Until then I really dislike it.
[07:22] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:22] <yuriy> i'm not liking it particularly. swing is quite a pain
[07:22] <manchicken> C++ really is quite easy.
[07:22] <yuriy> yean, i'm just not used to it. i forgot how you have to make headers and prototypes and stuff
[07:23] <Mez> crimsun, this works: http://rafb.net/p/qcalvn44.txt
[07:23] <manchicken> You don't always have to do it that way.
[07:23] <yuriy> my intro programming class a few years ago was c++, but pretty much every class i've taken since has used java
[07:23] <manchicken> You only have to make headers if you want other C/C++ files to be able to use stuff.
[07:23] <manchicken> Yeah, I have a problem with that.
[07:23] <yuriy> we have an operating systems class at my school and THAT uses java
[07:24] <manchicken> It's only because Sun managed to gain some market share, and now we've got a bunch of college students with less than adequate educations.
[07:25] <manchicken> UIUC has been corrupted by mostly Java curriculum for almost 10 years now.
[07:25] <yuriy> i think my college just uses it because it's fairly easy, and they don't actually teach us programming anyway
[07:25] <manchicken> But that's assuming that something else is harder.
[07:26] <manchicken> And I would disagree.
[07:26] <crimsun> a good curriculum _doesn't_ teach you programming
[07:26] <manchicken> Try handling system interrupts in Java.
[07:26] <manchicken> Try doing anything that involves OS interaction in Java.
[07:27] <manchicken> Signals, memory management, etc.
[07:27] <yuriy> crimsun: well then we have a good curriculum :) and yeah i know what you mean
[07:27] <yuriy> manchicken: yeah that's why i think it's really weird that the Systems course uses it
[07:28] <manchicken> yuriy: I also don't think colleges should teach non-free software.
[07:28] <yuriy> well, that unfortunately is just how it is. though java is almost free :) and other than that my cs department is actually fairly insistent on OSS
[07:29] <manchicken> It's not about open source, it's about colleges not perpetuating corrupt systems ;)
[07:29] <manchicken> but that's another topic for a time when I'm not hacking ;)
[07:29] <yuriy> our computer lab has red hat on the desktops and the admin refuses to entertain any request to add windows computers, it's great
[07:29] <yuriy> ah sorry to distract!
[07:29] <manchicken> Redhat perpetuates that same corrupt system.
[07:30] <yuriy> hmm?
[07:31] <manchicken> Anybody who sells non-free software perpetuates that corrupt system.
[08:31] <yuriy_> ah my c++ skills... over a dozen errors from a couple lines of code
[08:32] <manchicken> That's not just you ^_^
[08:32] <manchicken> That's everybody.
[08:32] <manchicken> That's programming ;)
[08:32] <manchicken> Start with the first message and go from there ;)
[08:33] <yuriy_> usually get away with a couple... and in scripts  you can only get one at a time
[12:10] <Riddell> frerich_, clee: it's a freedesktop.org project
[12:10] <Riddell> yuriy: how do you know about kdevelop 3.4?
[12:40] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[12:40] <Hobbsee> anyone got any good jobs around?
[12:48] <mhb> hi Hobbsee
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[12:48] <mhb> hmm... is it normal to mount a CD automatically?
[12:49] <Riddell> yes
[12:49] <mhb> on startup
[12:50] <mhb> that was a surprise to me, thanks for answering
[12:50] <Riddell> dunno
[12:51] <mhb> Riddell: Crystal will be the default iconset for Feisty?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> mhb: cds should automount, yes
[12:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: I know a lot of doctors needing here. ;)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: i'm no doctor :(
[12:52] <Riddell> mhb: yes
[12:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Hmm, then busdriver?
[12:52] <Tm_T> Nurse?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: actually, i saw some nice bus driver jobs :P
[12:53] <Tm_T> Honest politician?
[12:53] <Tm_T> Hmm, no, that wasn't available...
[12:54] <mhb> Riddell: crystal icon for sharing looks kind of confusing ... /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/actions/share.png
[12:55] <Riddell> mhb: yep
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hah
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: well, i can yell at people :P
[12:58] <Riddell> mhb, Hobbsee: either of you on edgy?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope, sorry.    i do have an edgy partition that i can reboot to though
[12:59] <Riddell> I need kdevelop 3.4 tested for sanity
[12:59] <mhb> Riddell: not right now, although I can boot another computer with it if you need it
[12:59] <Riddell> now in the same archive as kde 3.5.6
[01:04] <mhb> Riddell: about the confusing icon: it would be most likely a waste of time to create a brand new one for an iconset that gets obsolete very soon
[01:05] <Riddell> mhb: yep
[01:05] <mhb> Riddell: the icon is (also) used as an emblem - appears on the folders that are shared
[01:05] <Riddell> yes
[01:06] <mhb> Riddell: perhaps we can try taking that icon from another iconset or modifying the sharing emblem of Human to match Crystal colors
[01:06] <Riddell> mhb: you need to talk to kwwii about it
[01:07] <mhb> okay, I'll poke him
[01:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee, mhb: either of you testing?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not at the moment
[01:08] <mhb> Riddell: I'll test it in 3 minutes
[01:20] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Hmm, yell? I "work" as school assistant. ;)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: hehe
[01:20] <mhb> Riddell: remember when you talked with Tonio about pop-ups and he said something about bluetooth having a pop-up on every startup? It's true.
[01:20] <mhb> Riddell: installing kdevelop, btw
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: well, as long as you avoid the chairs being thrown at you
[01:21] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: No need to avoid desks?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ahh...so the kids there are stronger than the kids here, at least at that age...
[01:22] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: Well, some of those 7 year old are heavier than me... ;)
[01:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:22] <Tm_T> And they never come at me alone, ouch.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> now that's *scary*
[01:22] <Riddell> mhb: it's true if you have a bluetooth adaptor, the icon should be enough though
[01:26] <mhb> Riddell: it doesn't pop up only an icon
[01:26] <mhb> Riddell: it a) plays a sound b) pops-up "Adapter found" on top left c) shows the icon
[01:27] <mhb> Riddell: kdevelop seems to work fine for me
[01:27] <Riddell> mhb: excellent thanks
[01:27] <Riddell> hmm, playing sound is a bit evil
[01:28] <Riddell> well, it's all good if you plug in a device
[01:28] <Riddell> but if it's in from startup you just need the icon
[01:30] <mhb> Riddell: kbluetoothd plays KDE_Dialog_Appear.wav when it detects the adapter ... and it plays it before the startup sound - it may give the user a feeling of an error
[01:31] <Riddell> shouldn't be hard to patch
[01:31] <Riddell> just a if (!KApplication::isRestored()) {  }  around the popup and sound lines
[02:11] <mhb> Riddell: it seems mp3 support is handled by libxine1-ffmpeg now, which is in main
[02:11] <Riddell> how confusing
[02:11] <Riddell> guess we need to update amarok
[02:13] <Tm_T> Maybe I can drop my biggest need of XP finally.
[02:14] <Riddell> what's that?
[02:14] <mhb> Riddell: since it is in main, everyone is free (as in freedom) to use that?
[02:15] <Tm_T> Riddell: My iPaq doesn't understand anything else sync but MS Exchange OR MS Outlook with MS ActiveSync.
[02:16] <Tm_T> That's basically only big problem with this machine.
[02:18] <mhb> Riddell: that means - is it still legally impossible to add it into Kubuntu-desktop?
[02:18] <Riddell> most certainly it is
[02:18] <Hobbsee> so...why's libxine1-ffmpeg in main?
[02:19] <Riddell> siretart was fed up splitting it, or something
[02:20] <Hobbsee> right
[02:33] <Riddell> new kipi-plugins I see
[02:33] <Jucato> hi Riddell! have you seen NeoChaosX's questions?
[02:36] <Riddell> don't think so
[02:36] <Jucato> it's about KOffice 1.6.x having no GIF support
[02:36] <Jucato> bug 71711
[02:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71711 in koffice "Krita 1.6 in Edgy doen't open gifs" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71711
[02:38] <Tm_T> Ouch
[02:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: Can you throw me with a GIF ?
[02:39] <Jucato> hm.. let me look
[02:39] <Tm_T> Ah, found one.
[02:39] <Jucato> bah
[02:39] <Tm_T> ...and works, but I compile myself.
[02:39] <Jucato> ditto
[02:39] <Jucato> svn works of course, if compiled with GIF support
[02:40] <Tm_T> Jucato: Well, it's not always "ofcourse" ;)
[02:40] <Jucato> sorry, I put the comma in the wrong place
[02:40] <Jucato> "svn works, of course if compiled with GIF support"
[02:40] <Jucato> :P
[02:40] <Tm_T> ...
[02:41] <Jucato> (but then again, I could build koffice from branches, and had to settle for tags 1.6.1
[03:04] <_Sime> does the edgy install disk include the option to resize NTFS partitions? anyone?
[03:05] <Tm_T> _Sime: Without destroying files inside? Hmm, no idea.
[03:14] <_Sime> I'm good at destruction. But non-destructive was the idea...
[03:14] <_Sime> the installer might have it.
[03:17] <_Sime> I'll just have to try it out.
[03:41] <RadiantFire> _Sime: it does
[03:41] <_Sime> ok thanks
[03:41] <RadiantFire> _Sime: It takes a while and there is no progress bar though
[03:42] <RadiantFire> or something like that
[05:12] <manchicken> heh, has anybody watched the memory footprint of amarok while it's running?
[05:13] <manchicken> It seems to just keep going and going and going...
[05:13] <manchicken> Not too fast, but certainly noticeable.
[05:16] <ReTyPe> i just installed Kubuntu64 on my harddisk, and i think i found a bug, when it adds itself to grub, it says Ubuntu, and not Kubuntu 64 !!
[05:16] <Jucato> it never says Kubuntu in GRUB at all
[05:17] <manchicken> That's not a bug.
[05:17] <manchicken> Kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE.
[05:17] <ReTyPe> hmm, i know, but it was confusing for me, as i installed it next to an ubuntu
[05:17] <ReTyPe> ok, and how do i test the newest kde ?
[05:17] <manchicken> You can change that yourself.
[05:17] <ReTyPe> i know in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:18] <ReTyPe> when i try to run update manager i dont get kde 3.5.6
[05:19] <ReTyPe> it says "a next version is available, klik nest" and then closes
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ReTyPe: is this edgy?
[05:21] <jdong> gnomefreak: given the next version..... message, I think it's probably feisty?
[05:21] <ReTyPe> the latest kubuntu 64 , the beta 2
[05:21] <gnomefreak> jdong: i was thinking edgy with -d option
[05:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: does kubuntu have any -d options? :D
[05:22] <gnomefreak> ReTyPe: what version does lsb_release -a
[05:22] <gnomefreak> say
[05:22] <gnomefreak> update-manager does
[05:22] <jdong> gnomefreak: yeah but he just installed kubuntu...
[05:22] <gnomefreak> jdong: but he said he used update-manager
[05:23] <ReTyPe> ubuntu feisty 7.04
[05:23] <gnomefreak> without the -
[05:23] <gnomefreak> ReTyPe: thats not the latest but ok
[05:23] <jdong> ReTyPe: use synaptic or adept or apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:23] <gnomefreak> ReTyPe: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  should install the new kde stuff if its not already
[05:23] <jdong> ReTyPe: to effect a full system update
[05:23] <ReTyPe> in init 3 ?
[05:24] <jdong> no....
[05:24] <jdong> don't use runlevel 3 please
[05:24] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:24] <jdong> just the default standard GUI is fine
[05:24] <jdong> you can update it in place just fine
[05:24] <jdong> ReTyPe: there is no "runlevel 3" concept in Ubuntu....
[05:24] <jdong> 1 is single user, 2 is normal
[05:24] <jdong> that's all that's really implemented
[05:26] <ReTyPe> when i open KDE System settings, i get unsopported platform
[05:27] <jdong> can you please fully update your system first?
[05:27] <ReTyPe> i need to change my network settings
[05:28] <jdong> given those circumstances you're better doing that at the command line
[05:31] <ReTyPe> ok, i change my resolv.conf manually
[05:32] <ReTyPe> now apt-get is working
[05:32] <ReTyPe> looks like installing 3.5.6
[05:35] <ReTyPe> i want to update my nvidia drivers, so i can get native tft resolution
[05:46] <ReTyPe> /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-common_2.1.2ubuntu10_all.deb
[05:46] <ReTyPe> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:47] <ReTyPe> http://rafb.net/p/Ex3zIJ92.html
[05:52] <ReTyPe> anyone still here ?
[05:53] <mhb> ReTyPe: have patience
[05:54] <mhb> ReTyPe: if someone wants to reply, he will
[06:06] <ReTyPe> i did an aptitude upgrade first, now it works
[06:21] <nixternal> ReTyPe: FYI, #ubuntu+1 is probably the best place for you to get support on the development versions of Ubuntu. Here is where the devs usually collaborate, but seeing it as a weekend, I am sure they are all out dancing and doing whatever
[06:24] <ReTyPe> k, thx i found the chan allready
[08:33] <bddebian> Heya
[08:49] <mhb> evening bddebian
[08:50] <bddebian> Heya mhb
[09:16] <mhb> is there any Kubuntu-specific HOWTO on how to build KDE4 ?
[09:16] <mhb> (i.e. a list of packages needed)
[09:33] <nixternal> wow, pinheiro and kwwii o2 is so f'n hot!
[09:34] <nixternal> man, I love the Konqueror buttons hardcore, and the new buttons in Kontact, the folders, everything
[09:34] <nixternal> I want them icons in my firefox too :)
[09:36] <mhb> nixternal: I started working on that a while ago
[09:36] <mhb> nixternal: but the icons change so fast and it's not allowed to use those icons before KDE4 launches
[09:39] <nixternal> I can use them :)
[09:40] <nixternal> I have a .deb now of it I created, so it will be easy to update
[09:45] <mhb> nixternal: use as in release
[09:45] <nixternal> oh ya, I am not releasing them, I am using them local
[09:46] <nixternal> man, there are a lot of super clear icons, which I have never seen before. Even at 16x16 you can totally make out the icons
[09:46] <nixternal> excellent
[10:02] <yuriy> nixternal: any chance you want to send me that deb to try out? :)
[10:02] <mhb> yuriy: it's easy to fetch it from SVN & build
[10:02] <mhb> yuriy: two commands, actually :o)
[10:03] <nixternal> ya yuriy, unless pinheiro or kwwii said it was OK I would, but like mhb said it is easy to do yourself
[10:04] <yuriy> i don't understand?
[10:04] <mhb> yuriy: do a svn chceckout in trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen
[10:05] <nixternal> all you need I believe is theme and utils
[10:05] <mhb> true
[10:05] <yuriy> mhb: i guess i will. i've been too lazy to check it out because i don't dislike crystal
[10:05] <pinheiro> heya
[10:05] <nixternal> there are still some missing icons, but I can't wait until the final release
[10:05] <nixternal> hiya pinheiro!
[10:05] <yuriy> nixternal: i meant i don't understand what distributing a deb violates
[10:06] <pinheiro> heya nixternal
[10:07] <nixternal> yuriy: truthfully, their COPYING file states I can't do what I did pretty much in the first place, so sending it to you would violate the developers rule even more
[10:07] <nixternal> now, if it was an icon package for windows and they were trying to be sneaky, then I would hand it out to the world with a smile, but since it is pinheiro and kwwii doing the good stuff, I figured I would be nice :)
[10:09] <pinheiro> we encourage every one to test it for a spin
[10:09] <yuriy> ic
[10:09] <pinheiro> but its still a work in progress so general publick reliese is not a good idea
[10:10] <pinheiro> we want to get it as good as possible before that
[10:15] <mhb> pinheiro: I like the new back,forward browser icons too
[10:16] <pinheiro> semas most people do
[10:16] <pinheiro> seams
[10:16] <pinheiro> kite hapy with them actualy
[10:24] <yuriy> it seems i forgot my password, though i don't think i did. this is rather annoying.
[11:19] <danimo> heya!
[11:24] <danimo> does anyone know why kdevelop 3.4.0 packages were announced on kubuntu.org, but the download links reference the KDE repo?
[11:27] <Lure> danimo: probably cut&paste by Riddell ;-)
[11:28] <danimo> Lure: no, it actually even references that page
[11:28] <danimo> well, that could be a c&p error, too
[11:28] <danimo> Luw
[11:29] <danimo> Lure: what repo has it then?
[11:29] <Lure> danimo: it says: Update: KDevelop 3.4 has now been added to the archive.
[11:30] <Lure> danimo: so it looks like you need 3.5.6 repo
[11:30] <danimo> ok, then my mirror simply didn't synch yet
[11:31] <Lure> danimo: feisty or edgy? kdevelop 3.4 is not yet in feisty
[11:31] <Lure> danimo: edgy is there http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356/pool-edgy/kdevelop34/
[11:33] <danimo> ah
[11:33] <mhb> danimo: the packages are in the 356 repo
[11:33] <mhb> danimo: which you probably figured out by now :o)
[11:34] <danimo> mhb: well, I used the official kde repo as announced on kubuntu.org, which is a ftp.kde.org mirror
[11:35] <mhb> ah
[11:43] <manchicken_> Okay, so who wants to help me stick a tooltip on a pixmap in a specific column of a specific qlistviewitem? ;)
[11:43] <nixternal> heh
[11:43] <nixternal> can't be too hard now can it?
[11:43] <manchicken_> That's what I thought.
[11:44] <manchicken_> I've been fighting it off and on for about 1.5 weeks now.
[11:44] <yuriy> wow
[11:45] <yuriy> hmm where did that qt:/ kio or whatever it was that i have on edgy come from...
[11:58] <Riddell> danimo: they're in the KDE repository
[11:58] <Riddell> robertknight!
[11:59] <robertknight> Riddell: Hello :)
[11:59] <danimo> Riddell: right, unless you use ftp.kde.org
[11:59] <manchicken_> Riddell: You got any tips for my previous question? ;)
[11:59] <Riddell> danimo: oh aye, I need to rsync that, oops
[11:59] <Riddell> manchicken_: what's that?
[12:00] <manchicken_> "Okay, so who wants to help me stick a tooltip on a pixmap in a specific column of a specific qlistviewitem? ;)"
[12:00] <yuriy> manchicken_: might be a little overboard, but would it be possible to subclass qpixmap, give it some sort of tooltip capability, and use that?
[12:01] <manchicken_> I thought about that, but tooltips only work on qwidgets.
[12:01] <danimo> Riddell :)
[12:02] <Riddell> manchicken_: qlistviews have always seemed inflexible to me
[12:02] <Riddell> in qt 3 and 4
[12:04] <danimo> manchicken_: there is a hack for that in Qt3, it's simple with a custom model in qt4
[12:04] <danimo> manchicken_: unfortunately, I don't remember the qt3 hack
[12:04] <danimo> manchicken_: browsing the kde-devel and qt-interest archives should help though
[12:05] <ryanakca> hmm... interesting DVD box cover for 6.10.. http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/50005-kubuntucover2.JPG
[12:06] <toma> manchicken_: KListView::setTooltipColumn   (   int   column    )
[12:06] <manchicken_> That reminds me...  I handed out the last of my edgy CDs sharing the love.  Anybody know where I might be able to find some more?  Or how much do they cost?
[12:07] <manchicken_> toma: Is that KDE3?
[12:07] <toma> manchicken_: yeps
[12:07] <manchicken_> toma: If you're right I'll send out a message to the mailing list declaring you as my hero.  heh
[12:08] <toma> oh noes. then everyone is going to ask me for advise ;-0
[12:11] <toma> manchicken_: you probably want a klistview anyhow to get all the fancy colors ;-)
[12:12] <toma> o no, thats handled by the klistviewitems
[12:12] <toma> ah, bla..
[12:13] <manchicken_> I'm working on legacy code, so I didn't really get much choice.
[12:13] <nixternal> manchicken_: FREE for the CDs
[12:14] <nixternal> check out the ShipIt links, but you can't get Edgy, however I can and will put in another order
[12:14] <manchicken_> nixternal: I'm gonna try to be at the next chibuntu, so I'll bring you a sixpack to help cover your expenses ;)
[12:15] <nixternal> a sixer of Green Tea will do just fine :)
[12:15] <manchicken_> The Sobe stuff?
[12:15] <manchicken_> Or snapple?
[12:15] <nixternal> it is my new addiction. No the Diet Lipton w/ Citrus
[12:15] <manchicken> Ooh, a discerning palette.
[12:15] <nixternal> hehe