[12:18] <ubuntu_> hey how do I sudo a file to run??
[12:18] <ubuntu_> or how do I gain root access? im using kubuntu
[12:18] <ForgeAus> back... again
[12:19] <yuriy> ubuntu_: sudo anything will run anything as root
[12:19] <yuriy> !sudo
[12:19] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:19] <ubuntu_> I do sudo install says command not found & I am in that folder
[12:20] <dromer> how can I save a colourscheme on a kde desktop and reuse it on another computer?
[12:20] <ubuntu_> I need to install ircd II :P
[12:20] <yuriy> ubuntu_: install what? "install" is not a command
[12:20] <ubuntu_> the file is named install
[12:20] <ubuntu_> its a shell script
[12:21] <yuriy> ubuntu_: why not install it from repos?
[12:21] <ubuntu_> cus its not there I d/led it
[12:21] <xDak> hey, I have a problem.  I've been getting my computer configured and have everything set except that my video doesn't work when I play media files.  Sound works fine, but I just get a blue video screen no matter what program I use.  Does anyone know what could be the issue?
[12:22] <yuriy> ubuntu_: but if you want to run a shell script you either have to make it executable, then do ./install.sh
[12:22] <PhinnFort> xDak: what video player do you use?
[12:22] <yuriy> ubuntu_: make it executable by doing chmod +x install.sh
[12:22] <ubuntu_> brb gotta restart X server, there an easyer way to do that without restarting?
[12:22] <ubuntu_> I cant see this text resolution too small brb
[12:22] <PhinnFort> ubuntu_: log out, and then hit alt+ctrl+backspace
[12:22] <yuriy> ubuntu_: logout, hit ctrl+alt+backspace
[12:23] <ubuntu_> im using cd can I log back in?
[12:23] <LjL> Ubotu, tell AWAY_pixel about away | AWAY_pixel, see the private message from Ubotu
[12:24] <yuriy> ubuntu_: i know that you can but i don't remember if you need a password or something
[12:27] <d0dge-> any way to get Konversation transparent? like Konsole
[12:27] <BluesKaj> firggin eye candy luvers...there should be a chat for them
[12:29] <d0dge-> BluesKaj: Sorry :D
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hehe , it's ok , just funnin'
[12:29] <elyon225> Well, I got Windows installed, but had to delete my Kubuntu / partition to do so.  And now, after reinstalling Kubuntu, that is the only system that boots... no menu to boot Windows ;)  Fun stuff... I obviously need to edit my menu.lst file, right?
[12:29] <keldon85> ok, my mistake about the latest kubuntu live dvd still having the problem of loading up in 640x480 in normal mode
[12:30] <dromer> I have gotten stuck installing mythtv (edgy), currently I'm getting this error: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:30] <BluesKaj> !eye candy | d0dge-
[12:30] <ubotu> d0dge-: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[12:30] <keldon85> i must have done something stupid like binning 6.10, and keeping 6.06
[12:31] <dromer> can somebody help me set up the db for mythtv?
[12:31] <d0dge-> thanks BluesKaj
[12:34] <Kubuntu|slave> ok u can use ctrl alt backspace in desktop to reset X server :)
[12:34] <Kubuntu|slave> now what was that command to install somthing in shell script?
[12:35] <Kubuntu|slave> I could not see it last time cus screen was blurry as heck :P
[12:36] <Kubuntu|slave> how do I run a shell script?? +x what? I havent used linux in over 2 years :(
[12:37] <ash211> chmod +x <file>
[12:37] <Kubuntu|slave> thx
[12:37] <ash211> then ./<file>
[12:38] <Kubuntu|slave> there any way to adapt a flashdisk to run linux :P
[12:38] <ash211> sure
[12:38] <ash211> if your motherboard can boot from USB
[12:39] <ash211> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[12:39] <ash211> to start
[12:39] <Kubuntu|slave> it can actually :)
[12:40] <Kubuntu|slave> my prob is I got sata drive I cannot boot from & I cant use other HD with sata plugged in without it trying to goto sata first, the bios pickey about settings I wont let me setup IDE first boot then sata
[12:43] <Kubuntu|slave> Ok I cant sudo ./ nor can I chmod +X :(
[12:43] <Kubuntu|slave> if I ./ says permision denied
[12:44] <Kubuntu|slave> ok got it, ooh linux pickey about Caps :P
[12:44] <Kubuntu|slave> alot of errors :(
[12:48] <matt0507> i can play and watch youtube fine in firefox browers, but when i downloaded the flv file to my harddrive .flv none of my media playe can play >,< i have mplayer, vlc etc.. anyone know how to fix this?
[12:48] <matt0507> vlc player can load up the file but only soudn came out, no video.
[12:49] <megamaced> never heard of .flv before
[12:49] <TheHermit> How to Change background of the konquer media browser
[12:49] <ash211> use ffmpeg to convert it to an .mpg file
[12:49] <ash211> ffmpeg -i infile -ab 56 -r 25 -ar 22050 -b 500 -s 352x240 outfile.mpg
[12:49] <lupine_85> .flv is flash player, right?
[12:49] <megamaced> View > configure background?
[12:49] <ash211> correct
[12:49] <ash211> > lupine_85
[12:49] <megamaced> download the standalone player from Adobe
[12:50] <lupine_85> mplayer can't deal with later versions
[12:50] <matt0507> yes, flv is flash video used on youtube and google site
[12:50] <mardi> Hi, got a question that I've searched forever to find the answer. This is my last resort and only option.. can *anyone* tell me how to stop Kate from opening up files when I try and download them in Konqueror? Kate tries to open binary files then complains she can't save them, when I didn't want her to open in the first place.
[12:50] <lupine_85> "yet" :D
[12:50] <TheHermit> megamaced, oh yes thts right thanks
[12:51] <TheHermit> what if my VGA card wasnt supportted in beryl what can i do
[12:51] <Kubuntu|slave> that didnt work, trying bitchX the excutable not running in anything, I tried same as shell script dont work
[12:51] <megamaced> what gfx?
[12:51] <Kubuntu|slave> I cant imagine anything not compatible in any linux system :P
[12:52] <TheHermit> ok
[12:52] <N6REJ> !easysource
[12:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:53] <Kubuntu|slave> sorry to rush im goin home soon, how do I run a linux excutable, im using kubuntu from the cd
[12:53] <mardi>  sighs.. I knew no-one here would know the answer.....
[12:53] <megamaced> in terminal you do ./<executable>
[12:53] <Kubuntu|slave> I did
[12:53] <ash211> error message?
[12:53] <Kubuntu|slave> says file not found I dod spelling & caps exactly
[12:53] <megamaced> then do chmod +x <executable>
[12:53] <Kubuntu|slave> I did that too says file not found
[12:53] <ash211> try using tab-completion just-in-case
[12:53] <Kubuntu|slave> the file name Bitchx
[12:54] <ash211> ./B<tab>
[12:54] <keldon85> hi i am having troubles with getting the correct resolution
[12:54] <keldon85> i am being restricted to 800x600
[12:54] <ash211> Kubuntu|slave: that should complete the name if it's executable
[12:55] <Kubuntu|slave> kk I egt this error now : chmod: cannot access `Bitchx': No such file or directory
[12:55] <megamaced> <keldon85: edit your xorg.conf
[12:55] <ash211> keldon85: what graphics card do you have?
[12:55] <keldon85> i have an ati x550
[12:55] <megamaced> nano /etc/X11.xorg.conf
[12:55] <ash211> does the file appear when you list (`ls`) the contents of the current directory?
[12:55] <megamaced> whoops, I mean nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:55] <Kubuntu|slave> yes
[12:55] <ash211> sudo nano ...  if you need to make changes
[12:56] <Kubuntu|slave> file shows up but linuc is blind :P
[12:56] <megamaced> what is bitchx anyway :D
[12:56] <ash211> try `ls -l`
[12:57] <ash211> then you can see the permissions
[12:57] <Kubuntu|slave> got it
[12:57] <Kubuntu|slave> as I said my monitor sucks :P
[12:57] <Kubuntu|slave> its a cap X but couldnt tell
[12:57] <ash211> did you try tab completion?  that would've made things easy
[12:58] <N6REJ> anyone know where skype and k9copy went in the repositories?  I can't seem to find them.
[12:58] <keldon85> what exactly am i attempting to change in xorg.conf
[12:58] <megamaced> you need skype's repo @ deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:59] <megamaced> keldon85; find where the resolutions are listed
[12:59] <ubuntu|noob> See im using BitchX now :)
[01:00] <N6REJ> megamaced: tyvm.  Now to just get a program I can reliably copy dvd's with.
[01:00] <keldon85> there are various resolution listed!
[01:00] <keldon85> wait, let me check that I didn't forget to disable the onboard graphics card
[01:00] <megamaced> N6REJ: check out DVD Rip O Matic
[01:00] <Kubuntu|slave> sigh, I dont like that irc :( ne1 know the better version with the gui?
[01:00] <N6REJ> megamaced: k ty
[01:00] <Kubuntu|slave> for bitchX
[01:00] <keldon85> I am sure I did, but I am positive that linux is detecting it still
[01:02] <keldon85> I have a section "Monitor" with modeline, section called "Screen" with modes "...",  Section "screen" #, with modes "..."
[01:02] <megamaced> You can try change the resolution using the KDE control centre. But that usually screws the xorg.conf. Not sure why it does that
[01:02] <keldon85> is there any one of them in particular I should pay more attention to?
[01:03] <agnostic> launching wolfenstein produce message- "Failed to load module libgail.so"
[01:03] <Kubuntu|slave> you might wanna get the new kde kubuntu :) I think its a load better then debaine & easyer to use :)
[01:03] <megamaced> keldon85; can you see '800X600' '640X480'?
[01:03] <keldon85> I am using kubuntu 6.10
[01:03] <megamaced> there should be several rows
[01:03] <Kubuntu|slave> good for noobs like me :)
[01:03] <elyon225> Is there a way around the glitch when installing sun-java5-jre with Adept?  It displaying the agreement, but I cannot select OK.  I have over a hundred packages being installed here and I dont want to have to cancel them all.
[01:04] <laaq>  
[01:04] <Kubuntu|slave> then u can use the kde kontrol panel to change res then hit ctrl alt backspace to reset X server
[01:04] <Kubuntu|slave> I just changed my res with no conflicts or corruption
[01:04] <megamaced> keldon85; just do 'sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[01:04] <elyon225> !xorg
[01:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:05] <keldon85> modes "800x600@60" "1024x768@70" "800x600@56" "1024x768@60" "640x480@60" "modes "800x600@60" "1024x768@70" "800x600@56" "1024x768@60" "640x480@60" "
[01:05] <elyon225> what is the reconfigure xorg command again?
[01:05] <keldon85> 152x768@54" "1280x854" "1280x960@60" "1280x1024@60"
[01:05] <Kubuntu|slave> but ctrl alt backspace much simpler :)
[01:05] <Jucato> elyon225: yes, it's a known bug
[01:05] <agnostic>  Failed to load module "libatk-bridge.so"
[01:05] <Jucato> !xconfig | elyon225
[01:05] <ubotu> elyon225: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". To configure only the driver and resolution, type: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh".
[01:05] <elyon225> !adept
[01:05] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:05] <elyon225> grr... Adept is locked... how do I unlock it?
[01:05] <megamaced> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:05] <elyon225> Jucato: Thank you.
[01:06] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | elyon225
[01:06] <ubotu> elyon225: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[01:06] <elyon225> !adept unlock
[01:06] <elyon225> ah.
[01:06] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[01:07] <LjL> !adept unlock is <alias> adept crash fix
[01:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[01:07] <N6REJ> megamaced: you got a package name for rip-o-matic?
[01:08] <megamaced> N6REJ; there isn't one. you have to download it, Google it
[01:08] <megamaced> it's a kommander script so it's easy to install
[01:08] <N6REJ> megamaced: ok, thanks
[01:08] <megamaced> http://dvdripomatic.sourceforge.net/view.php/page/Install
[01:08] <megamaced> there you go
[01:08] <Kubuntu|slave> hhhmmmm I ran config for ircII says make all but when I do it says no rule to make target
[01:09] <megamaced> you need to do 'sudo aptitude install kommander' first
[01:10] <elyon225> Okay, another problem... for some reason, my keyboard isnt setup right... whenever I use the apostrophe, it modifies the next key... for example  ...
[01:10] <N6REJ> megamaced: ok.
[01:10] <elyon225> I reconfigured xorg to be us:intl, but that didn fix it.
[01:10] <Kubuntu|slave> cant find the makefile :(
[01:11] <Kubuntu|slave> lol nvm :P
[01:13] <N6REJ> megamaced: it says I need transcode but all I see for transcode are xfonts is this correct?
[01:13] <Kubuntu|slave> ok I dunno how to edit makefile, I get error twards end thik line 1985
[01:14] <megamaced> N6REJ; do 'sudo aptitude install transcode mencoder mplayer'
[01:14] <N6REJ> megamaced: k
[01:14] <Kubuntu|slave> shoot I dunno where error line comin from :(
[01:14] <megamaced> oh and 'sudo aptitude install kommander'
[01:14] <megamaced> then extract the DVD Rip O Matic tarball and click on 'Installer
[01:15] <N6REJ> megamaced: weird it couldn't find a candiate for mplayer
[01:16] <megamaced> N6REJ; do you have the multiverse repository set up?
[01:16] <megamaced> Go into your sources.list file and check whether multiverse is written next to universe
[01:17] <Phlosten> what are the better supported w-fi chipsets for kubuntu?
[01:17] <N6REJ> megamaced: let me double check... kmplayer is installed and so was kommander.
[01:18] <Kubuntu|slave> ok got source of error, what do I do about it??? I get this error in channel.c | 1985: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
[01:18] <Kubuntu|slave> the line I am at has this | MyFree((char *)chptr); It doesnt understand the myfree
[01:19] <megamaced> kmplayer is no good
[01:19] <N6REJ> megamaced: k
[01:19] <megamaced> needs to be mplayer
[01:19] <megamaced> as I said ,mplayer and mencoder are in the multiverse repo
[01:19] <elyon225> How do I go about rebooting into runlevel 3?
[01:21] <Kubuntu|slave> restart or turnoff is runlevel 3
[01:21] <Kubuntu|slave> forgot wich one
[01:21] <N6REJ> megamaced: here is my pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3029/
[01:22] <ash211> elyon225: i think type `init 3`
[01:22] <ash211> sorry, "rebooting into".  I'm not sure
[01:22] <megamaced> okay, put multiverse on the end of lines 16 and 17
[01:22] <megamaced> next to universe
[01:22] <N6REJ> k
[01:23] <elyon225> Now, why does runlevel tell me that I'm currently in runlevel 2?  I thought X was only loaded in rl 5
[01:23] <megamaced> then do 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo aptitude install mencoder mplayer'
[01:24] <N6REJ> megamaced: I appreciate this, I thought stuff was missing
[01:24] <N6REJ> megamaced: much better
[01:24] <megamaced> No probs
[01:24] <megamaced> Working now?
[01:25] <N6REJ> megamaced: yeah so far.... after this I have one other question for ya.... I've got a weird kdm problem
[01:25] <Alumin> any of you guys use the Lightning extension in t-bird?  I can't figure out how to get it to send events
[01:25] <megamaced> Hey you might want to add this to your sources.list as well : 'deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-proposed main restricted universe multiverse'
[01:25] <N6REJ> Alumin: lightening?
[01:25] <Kubuntu|slave> ne1 know about compiling IRCII ?? I got script error dunno how to fix it
[01:25] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to access my wireless internet on a laptop.  Wireless assistant in kubuntu finds it but I can't set the network up for some reason.  One of the problems is that the manager only takes WEP keys and not other forms of security (like a password) Is there anyway to fix this?
[01:25] <N6REJ> megamaced: k
[01:26] <Alumin> N6REJ: yeah, it's an extensionized version of Sunbird
[01:26] <megamaced> whoops, it would be 'edgy-proposed' for you :)
[01:26] <N6REJ> Alumin: OH...isn't sunbird mac only?
[01:26] <N6REJ> megamaced: k
[01:26] <Alumin> N6REJ: http://www.mozilla.org/
[01:26] <Kubuntu|slave> what do I do to fix this compile problem?
[01:27] <N6REJ> OH!!!
[01:28] <Kubuntu|slave> j/k
[01:28] <N6REJ> lol
[01:28] <N6REJ> after fighting with java all day today I KNOW my rocks are broken
[01:29] <N6REJ> megamaced: it found transcode this time :D
[01:29] <Kubuntu|slave> all these linux nerds & nobody knows how to fix a script I think in perl :( stupid maker effed up :(
[01:30] <megamaced> kwel
[01:30] <N6REJ> Kubuntu|slave: whats the problem with the make file?
[01:30] <Kubuntu|slave> 1 sec I paste error & the code fragment
[01:30] <Kubuntu|slave> 1 line fragment
[01:30] <N6REJ> Kubuntu|slave: k,
[01:31] <N6REJ> megamaced: check this out... when KDM starts the res if way off ( like 640 or something ) and the frequency is off so the screeens shifted left, but after I "log in" kde starts at 1280x1024 like it should.
[01:32] <megamaced> hmm, not sure about this. Are you using binary drivers?
[01:32] <Kubuntu|slave> here is code | freechan((char *)chptr); says freechan an invalid Ilevel
[01:32] <N6REJ> Kubuntu|slave: is this an IRC script?
[01:32] <Kubuntu|slave> this one code refers to otehr parts of files & causes much hell
[01:32] <Kubuntu|slave> no
[01:32] <Kubuntu|slave> this is IRCII
[01:33] <Kubuntu|slave> to run ircII I gotta make
[01:33] <N6REJ> k, let me check something
[01:33] <Kubuntu|slave> brb a sec neway boss callin me
[01:33] <N6REJ> k
[01:34] <crazy_bus> Can anyone help me asscess WPA-PSK protected wireless internet?
[01:35] <N6REJ> megamaced: trying to remember... I think I'm using the default driver.. .Nivida Geforce 5200 MX 256M is the video card.
[01:35] <megamaced> geforce fx 5200? unlucky :D
[01:35] <Kubuntu|slave> Nvidia evil for most ppl :P
[01:35] <megamaced> same here!
[01:35] <megamaced> fx 5200 is awful, I should know
[01:35] <N6REJ> lol
[01:35] <megamaced> especially PCI version
[01:36] <Kubuntu|slave> Ni means Near Inperfection :P
[01:36] <megamaced> sigh
[01:36] <megamaced> Hey, I can't even run Nexuiz
[01:36] <N6REJ> megamaced: its starting to show its teeth.  Has been a good card though... Mines 8x agp
[01:36] <juano__> megamaced: why awful?
[01:36] <megamaced> I get like 6 fps!
[01:36] <megamaced> That's on a p4 2.8GHz
[01:36] <N6REJ> yuck
[01:36] <juano__> megamaced: bad drivers my guess
[01:37] <Kubuntu|slave> kk N6 I can send u the ircII ip, I got from the site :P
[01:37] <Kubuntu|slave> zip*
[01:37] <megamaced> C'mon, the fx 5200 is terrible
[01:37] <N6REJ> thats fine.
[01:37] <juano__> megamaced: its a good card , ony of my pcs got it and it works great with gaming and everything
[01:37] <N6REJ> juano__: works fine for me.  Very quick for its age.  But mine was VERY expensive when I bought it.
[01:37] <megamaced> still. it's better then the integrated Intel graphics it replaced :)
[01:38] <N6REJ> *nod*
[01:38] <juano__> megamaced: why terrible? what are you based on to say that its bad?
[01:38] <megamaced> Intel 845G. *shudders*
[01:38] <N6REJ> megamaced: get an I820 *duck*
[01:38] <megamaced> Well, my old Geforce 2 Ultra outperforms it, haha
[01:38] <elyon225> So,I just logged off of one of my accounts and the screen changed to the Kubuntu logo (like it was shutting down).  Halfway through that, the screen went black, but I could type (nothign I typed did anything so it wasn't like a console).  The only way out was to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete... which rebooted.  What gives?
[01:39] <Kubuntu|slave> I miss voodoo 3's they where the best I ever used
[01:39] <TheHermit> Bye all And thanks For helping ....With God Bless
[01:39] <megamaced> I am not biased. it's nvidia all the way for me
[01:39] <Kubuntu|slave> hey N6 I brb goin home
[01:39] <juano__> megamaced: well if you get an 512 dual video from alienware your card seems like a joke
[01:39] <Kubuntu|slave> or I see u tommorow :P
[01:39] <N6REJ> K ok, but I might now be here when you get back
[01:40] <juano__> megamaced: the thing is its good and you can game with it and everything you need to do can be done with that card fine
[01:40] <juano__> megamaced: plus , it depends on the MB size of the card
[01:40] <matt0507> !kde
[01:40] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[01:40] <juano__> megamaced: 128 MB sucks, 256 is fine
[01:40] <megamaced> Okay, try playing Nexuiz 2.2
[01:41] <megamaced> Mine in 128MB
[01:41] <juano__> megamaced: lol, 128 MB isnt good on any card
[01:41] <juano__> megamaced: 256 MB you need
[01:41] <N6REJ> megamaced: something is weird... I opened Konqueror, drilled down to the installer, it put it in the menu and then when I try to start it its says no.
[01:41] <megamaced> Well at least it can run Beryl :-)
[01:41] <juano__> megamaced: i got a FX5200 with 256, i played all 2006 games with no prob
[01:42] <megamaced> N6REJ; whats the error?
[01:42] <juano__> megamaced: sure can :-), but you dont need a lot to run beryl
[01:42] <N6REJ> unable to create dialog from file
[01:42] <megamaced> yeah, that's what I love about beryl, even a TNT is up for the job
[01:42] <megamaced> take that vista!
[01:43] <juano__> megamaced: hehe yep
[01:43] <elyon225> So,I just logged off of one of my accounts and the screen changed to the Kubuntu logo (like it was shutting down).  Halfway through that, the screen went black, but I could type (nothign I typed did anything so it wasn't like a console).  The only way out was to hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete... which rebooted.  What gives?
[01:44] <megamaced> N6REJ; what are you trying to do?
[01:45] <N6REJ> mega, the link is bad.. if I run the program directly from the folder it works..  I'll work on it.. tyvm.
[01:46] <megamaced> juano; what version of Beryl you got?
[01:46] <Jack111> hi guys i have still a login problem after an kubuntu upgrade,it tells me xf860openseries error opening device /dev/wacom, refcount is 2, should be 1, fixing;
[01:46] <Jack111> if i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it tells me /var/cache/debconf cannot be opened.any help?
[01:47] <Jack111> the console login works fine, i get the error with the /dev/wacom, if i do startx from console
[01:48] <N6REJ> gotta run for now... time to see if this thing will work... its a mixed compilation dvd, so I hope it works.
[01:48] <juano__> megamaced: beryl-core 0.1.99.2
[01:49] <megamaced> is that from SVN? I think i've got 0.2.0 now on Dapper. The new control panel is awesome
[01:50] <badr> Salut
[01:53] <Jack111> please does anyone have any idea?
[01:53] <alexpmcmurphy> whats the question
[01:53] <one> neeed help installed guarddog and i cant conenct internet if its active , even if i activate http/icq/irc protocall , y ??
[01:55] <Jack111> how can i login is the question, my problem is above, thanks
[01:55] <elyon225> How do I setup GRUB to recognize my Windows partition (hda6)?
[01:55] <Jucato> !ntfs
[01:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:56] <Jucato> elyon225: GRUB? as in during boot?
[01:56] <elyon225> Jucato: Yes, right now I can't boot Windows... it's not listed in the menu.
[01:56] <Jucato> !grub | elyon225
[01:56] <ubotu> elyon225: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:56] <hatta> elyon225, who needs windows anyway
[01:57] <elyon225> hatta: Well, I hadn't for a long time... but Linux screwed up my mp3 player, so I'm going to use Windows to copy files to that... plus gaming :)
[01:57] <hatta> ouch, what happened with the mp3 player?
[01:58] <juano> megamaced:
[01:58] <elyon225> hatta: Well, deleting files within KDE doesn't get them off the actual MP3 player... but they never again appear within Linux.
[01:58] <hatta> weird
[01:58] <juano> megamaced: im on beryl now :P. its 0.2.0
[01:58] <elyon225> Jucato: Those howto's don't show how to add Windows.
[01:58] <hatta> elyon225, are they there with 'ls'?
[01:59] <elyon225> hatta: Nope.  Show's an empty directory.
[01:59] <Jucato> elyon225: those deleted files might be in a directory called .Trash in the mp3 player?
[01:59] <elyon225> hatta: But they can still be accessed from the player itself.
[01:59] <gop> hello
[01:59] <hatta> werid
[01:59] <gop> I just got the edgy cd
[01:59] <elyon225> Jucato: I looked for that too... not there.
[01:59] <gop> can I install that over draper
[01:59] <hatta> even weirder
[01:59] <juano> megamaced: i updated it, it was 0.1.4 before
[01:59] <gop> I just got the cd, and want to install it over draper should I or how do I
[02:00] <hatta> are they really still there on the mp3 player? can you play them or are they just listed?
[02:00] <elyon225> hatta: And the last time I tried using it, Amarok said it couldn't copy files over because of an I/O error.  So I think the player itself was damaged by my lack of Linux knowledge.
[02:00] <elyon225> hatta: Yep... they can be played as well.
[02:00] <hatta> how odd
[02:02] <elyon225> Yeah... so I installed Windows on hda6, reinstalled Kubuntu on hda0... but now I can't get Windows to boot.... it's not even an option.  And I thought that GRUB could recognize it automatically.
[02:02] <gop> how do I tell what
[02:02] <gop> where grub is isntall
[02:02] <gop> it just say hd0
[02:02] <gop> but hdd is where
[02:02] <hatta> I wish I could help you, but the grub is a mystery to me too
[02:02] <hatta> lilo was so much nicer
[02:03] <elyon225> hatta: Yeah, I liked lilo.  Is it still possible to use that instead of GRUB?
[02:03] <elyon225> !lilo
[02:03] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[02:03] <elyon225> hehe... not recommended.  Well, apparently Ubuntu recommends we don't have Windows installed too ;)
[02:04] <hatta> probably, but it might be as much of a pain to get lilo back as it is to configure the grub
[02:04] <elyon225> Okay, so in grub, apparently I can setup Windows manually.  Now, if Windows is installed to hda6, would that be (hda0,6) in grub?
[02:05] <K`zan> 0,5
[02:05] <hatta> they do that just to confuse you
[02:05] <K`zan> Zero is real :-)
[02:05] <eegore> anyone work with mysql and kubuntu
[02:06] <elyon225> So, hda0,0 would be hda1?
[02:06] <elyon225> err, hd0,5?
[02:06] <hatta> yes
[02:07] <elyon225> okay, lemme try this.  I'll be back.
[02:07] <gop> it telling that boot device is (hd0)
[02:07] <gop> !hd0
[02:07] <gop> !grub
[02:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hd0 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:08] <graft> wow... kstars is so cool
[02:08] <gop> wtf is (hd0)
[02:08] <gop> is it hdd0
[02:08] <elyon225> Okay, that just gave me an Invalid Device error.
[02:09] <elyon225> ...and the "tutorials" for Grub don't help at all.. they all seem to suggest that once you install GRUB, it will set it up automatically.
[02:09] <gop> !edgy
[02:09] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[02:09] <elyon225> !grub
[02:09] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:12] <drbeams> is there a way to make flash in linux?
[02:13] <graft> !flash9
[02:13] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[02:13] <graft> !flash
[02:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:13] <Jucato> I think he meant to create Flash
[02:13] <graft> oh... flash editing? nope, not really
[02:14] <graft> possibly open laszlo
[02:17] <dope> yoyoyoyo
[02:17] <dope> so i can put grub on a live cd and boot to a pen drive?
[02:18] <graft> boot from a pen drive?
[02:18] <dope> well i don't think my motherboard has an option to boot from a usb
[02:19] <graft> if the livecd can mount it, maybe
[02:19] <dope> so i'd put grub on a cd and boot into that and then have it boot from the pen drive
[02:19] <elyon225> Could someone help me fix GRUB.  I've installed windows and reinstalled Ubuntu, but now Windows isn't even a boot option.
[02:20] <graft> yeah, maybe, dope
[02:20] <dope> i wonder how i get grub on a cd
[02:21] <graft> well check out UbuntuUSB
[02:22] <underdog5004> anyone here a customer of suddenlink?
[02:22] <chovy> is it possible to install kubunutu on a macbook?
[02:23] <underdog5004> chovy, yes, but you need to download the ppc version of the livecd
[02:24] <chovy> underdog5004: k, i wasn't sure if there's a diff between powerbook powerpc and macbook
[02:24] <chovy> haave you done it?
[02:24] <underdog5004> chovy, nope, but it shouldn't be too difficult
[02:28] <ubuntu_> erm
[02:28] <ubuntu_> ... ? I'm trying to figure out how to do that
[02:28] <QUINTIX256> testi ng
[02:28] <QUINTIX256> better
[02:28] <underdog5004> QUINTIX256, do what?
[02:28] <purpleposeidon> i have a lap top and it can connect to other computers on my network, but it can't connect to the internet
[02:29] <purpleposeidon> how do I fix it?
[02:29] <underdog5004> purpleposeidon, can you ping your router?
[02:29] <QUINTIX256> ping 192.168.1.1
[02:29] <purpleposeidon> aye
[02:29] <purpleposeidon> and other computers
[02:30] <underdog5004> purpleposeidon, ok, so there's a problem w/ your router...
[02:30] <underdog5004> QUINTIX256, his router ip may be different
[02:30] <purpleposeidon> underdog5004: it's correct
[02:31] <underdog5004> purpleposeidon, ok, the issue doesn't lay w/ kubuntu, it's most likely a hardware problem...you may want to reset your router.
[02:31] <underdog5004> If you've got a bunch of custom stuff in there, you may want to configure it through konw
[02:31] <underdog5004> konq*
[02:33] <QUINTIX256> (distraction) speaking of router ips being different, can someone explain to me subnet masks...
[02:34] <QUINTIX256> why does (by defualt) ips tend to be 192.168.1xx
[02:35] <underdog5004> QUINTIX256, 192.168.*.* is a reserved address block for internel use
[02:35] <QUINTIX256> im dumb
[02:35] <underdog5004> subnet masks dictate how many hosts can be on a subnetwork
[02:35] <underdog5004> 255.255.255.33 would allow 31 hosts
[02:35] <Phlosten> QUINTIX256: i've been stuffing with networks for years and still dont undertstand it ;)
[02:36] <underdog5004> QUINTIX256, lol, I learned that stuff in a Public College course that I dropped out of...
[02:36] <underdog5004> Phlosten, seems like it's as much art as science, with a smattering of magic and metaphysics
[02:36] <QUINTIX256> ok, thanx
[02:37] <underdog5004> np
[02:38] <Phlosten> underdog5004: involves the use of one of those bingo ball pickers at times too
[02:38] <purpleposeidon_> how can I download packages and then install them seperatly?
[02:38] <underdog5004> rofl
[02:39] <underdog5004> purpleposeidon, synaptic allows this
[02:39] <Tm_T> apt-get too ;)
[02:39] <underdog5004> Phlosten, I prefer a magic 8-ball
[02:39] <purpleposeidon_> dl to a directory?
[02:40] <FreshPrince> gn8 @ all
[02:40] <underdog5004> Tm_T, well, yeah, but I don't know the switch for that...
[02:41] <Tm_T> underdog5004: You do, man apt-get or apt-get --help
[02:42] <underdog5004> Tm_T, yeah...but I'm lazy...oh well
[02:43] <Tm_T> underdog5004: I know, it's much.
[02:47] <ForgeAus> anyone awake?
[02:47] <underdog5004> me
[02:47] <underdog5004> ltns, ForgeAus
[02:47] <underdog5004> long time no see
[02:47] <ForgeAus> really?
[02:48] <ForgeAus> I been around
[02:49] <underdog5004> yeah...just haven't really interacted w/ you in a while...lol
[02:49] <ForgeAus> rofl
[02:49] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, seeing as nothing's going on, check this out:
[02:49] <underdog5004> !singularity
[02:49] <ubotu> singularity: A game where one becomes the singularity. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.22-1 (edgy), package size 340 kB, installed size 696 kB
[02:49] <underdog5004> very fun
[02:50] <lontra> how do i remove gnome and just have kde installed?
[02:51] <underdog5004> lontra, sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:51] <underdog5004> I think
[02:51] <Tm_T> Err, that removes only metapackage.
[02:52] <Ash-Fox> You're better off installing kubuntu from a CD.
[02:52] <underdog5004> whoops... Tm_T , how would you do it?
[02:52] <Tm_T> I'd remove gtk & gnome libs.
[02:52] <ForgeAus> there was a webpage that noted how to get to a "pure" kde but I'm not sure it sounded like it was a good thing or not
[02:52] <Tm_T> That should bring down the rest.
[02:52] <underdog5004> lontra, yeah...I installed ubuntu and installed the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, but it just wasn't the same...
[02:54] <chevy69chevelle> hey ppls
[02:54] <chevy69chevelle> quick question
[02:54] <luca> hi
[02:54] <luca> quick question too
[02:54] <underdog5004> chevy69chevelle, what's up?
[02:54] <underdog5004> luca, what's up?
[02:54] <underdog5004> !ask
[02:54] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:55] <chevy69chevelle> I just updated to edgy, and my katapult does not launch, atl space brings up a windows menu. i checked the shortcuts in system settings, keyboard shortcuts. and i don't see an alt-space shortcut set for anything else?
[02:55] <underdog5004> chevy69chevelle, lol, weird...no idea...
[02:56] <luca> uhm myself I have blown up my starting logo
[02:56] <chevy69chevelle> underdog5004: lol neither do I, hence why i am asking :P
[02:56] <luca> you know, the one which appears while the system is loading
[02:56] <luca> or shutting down
[02:56] <underdog5004> luca, what's wrong w/ it?
[02:57] <luca> that I want the artwork :P
[02:57] <luca> the system loads fine but I'd like to have the logo instead of a black screen with some white letters :D
[02:57] <underdog5004> hmmm, lemme look around
[02:57] <luca> thx :)
[02:58] <underdog5004> what program did you use to disable it?
[02:58] <luca> I did it by accident, I do not know exactly how
[02:58] <chevy69chevelle> even if i set a shortcut as alt-space, it still comes up with the windows menu, to maximize, send to dif desktop, etc
[02:58] <underdog5004> oh
[02:58] <luca> it has been awhile since it stopped appearing....
[02:59] <luca> never minded 'cause it is not essential, but I was wonderin if someone knew how to fix it :)
[03:00] <chevy69chevelle> i guess no one knows, i'll just reassign to differant key, will take some getting use to though
[03:01] <underdog5004> chevy69chevelle, if you have a seperate /home and /usr partition, you can just reinstall
[03:02] <chevy69chevelle> underdog5004: too much work, i am rather lazy, lol maybe later, just got home from work(I know it isn't much work, but still)
[03:02] <Kubuntu|Slave> im back
[03:02] <underdog5004> chevy69chevelle, lol, I know what you mean
[03:02] <underdog5004> luca, can't find anything...
[03:03] <underdog5004> sorry
[03:03] <luca> underdog5004: thanks anyway
[03:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> I got a sata drive I use as secondary HD & my main HD IDE, how doI get linux to boot the IDE first not the SATA?
[03:03] <luca> ok out
[03:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> ....
[03:05] <chevy69chevelle> that's what I like about my MOBO, don't need grub, don't need to mess with boot loaders, 2 hd, my mobo has a boot option where if i don't want to boot off my main hd, hit esc and select what one to boot off of
[03:10] <ForgeAus> ok this is getting OLD... error 17 no menu no nothing... I need to fix my grub!
[03:10] <ForgeAus> I tried reinstalling I tried everything!
[03:11] <ForgeAus> it says stage 1.5 then it says something about loading the menu then immediately after that error 17
[03:11] <Kubuntu|Slave> 1 hd split partition but wont load off ide suddenly
[03:11] <ForgeAus> (I thought it was just because I wasn't pointing to the right place... but now.... it seems to just do that no matter what I do to menu.lst
[03:11] <Kubuntu|Slave> Then tell tamone to quit picking at it :P pumba too LMAO
[03:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> I think timone& pumba ate your grub LOL
[03:12] <ForgeAus> must have
[03:12] <ForgeAus> I'm not exactly a fan of those two characters from Lion King
[03:13] <Kubuntu|Slave> well I tried making partition linux primary active secondary ntfs wont take it
[03:13] <Kubuntu|Slave> I tried in reverse order wont take it, NOW it wants to load off my damn sata
[03:16] <ForgeAus> don't get me wrong I liked the movie in general...
[03:16] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[03:16] <ForgeAus> great thats all I need
[03:16] <ForgeAus> my isp logging me out too
[03:16] <ForgeAus> I got 2 satas... I don't think it can make up its mind which ones is which tho
[03:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> using comcast or bellsouth??
[03:16] <ForgeAus> no idea whats the difference?
[03:17] <Kubuntu|Slave> forge u using comcast or bellsouth??
[03:18] <ForgeAus> like I said no idea whats the difference? how can I tell?
[03:19] <Kubuntu|Slave> size of HD u can tell
[03:19] <ForgeAus> 160gig
[03:20] <ForgeAus> both of them the same segate drives
[03:20] <Kubuntu|Slave> also device name if 2 diffrent companys
[03:20] <ForgeAus> um its in the bios but I can't remember the name lotsa numbers... starts (or is it ends) with ST thats all I remember
[03:21] <Kubuntu|Slave> ah, I dont care for then HD's
[03:21] <Kubuntu|Slave> them*
[03:21] <ForgeAus> lol now they tell me!
[03:21] <ForgeAus> actually they've been pretty good
[03:21] <Kubuntu|Slave> got a brand new one at work, doesnt work & cant return it
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I can't complain
[03:22] <ForgeAus> well if I can mount it from the LIve CD there should be no reason grub can't mount it right?
[03:22] <Kubuntu|Slave> well I got a 160 gig sata & I cant use as primary & this a new pc
[03:22] <ForgeAus> and thats what error 17 is right? unable to mount?
[03:22] <ForgeAus> is that something to do with your bios?
[03:22] <Kubuntu|Slave> I think I get that error mounting my HD
[03:23] <ForgeAus> I know my p4p800e-deluxe board has a problem
[03:23] <Kubuntu|Slave> dunno, I tried everything just wont load an os ion the sata
[03:23] <Kubuntu|Slave> XP is the problem
[03:23] <ForgeAus> if your in compatibility mode you can use either IDE 1, and IDE2 or IDE1 and SATA
[03:23] <Kubuntu|Slave> Bill gates is retarded
[03:23] <ForgeAus> but not both together
[03:23] <ForgeAus> I heard he has aspergers or something
[03:23] <Kubuntu|Slave> well I had justsat I had to use ide to get an os & my sata as the secondary
[03:24] <Kubuntu|Slave> catch the daily show this monday he interviewing bill gates, this be hilarious :P chan 67 cable
[03:25] <ForgeAus> I'm in australia its probably different over here
[03:25] <ForgeAus> besides there's no cable in this area :( (at least not proper cable)
[03:26] <Kubuntu|Slave> that sucks, well it be recorded by sum1 u can probly d/l it :P
[03:26] <ForgeAus> telstra say we don't need cable if we got ADSL but they don't seem to offer foxtel or phone via adsl
[03:26] <ForgeAus> hehe I could.. if I really wanted
[03:27] <Kubuntu|Slave> anyway why is it when I got NTFS the pc load my IDE but linuxx it tryes to load my sata first
[03:28] <ForgeAus> grubroot?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> if its set to the sata drive?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> hd(x,x)
[03:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> dunno cant install & access it yet :P im using linux live cd
[03:28] <ForgeAus> same
[03:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> doesnt mount the HD
[03:28] <ForgeAus> its a pain rebooting each time
[03:28] <ForgeAus> the HD is NTFS?
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> is now
[03:29] <ForgeAus> wheres your linux distro?
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> was linux & ntfs split
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> I d/l it
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> the cd in the cdrom :P
[03:29] <ForgeAus> so you don't have an ext3 or fat32 partition?
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> had
[03:29] <ForgeAus> had but don't have
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> I did a ext3 first & ntfs
[03:29] <ForgeAus> and your trying to use grub to do what?
[03:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> still loaded sats first
[03:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> tried it both ways doesnt goto ide first
[03:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> load linux
[03:30] <ForgeAus> your live cd can install it and do grub for you mostly
[03:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> have NTFs on second partition to load XP for my dad & his games
[03:30] <ForgeAus> you have to have space to partition for it tho
[03:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> 40 gig hd
[03:31] <ForgeAus> yeah but how much of it is used?
[03:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> 18 gig each & rest for swap
[03:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> noone
[03:31] <ForgeAus> sure that sounds like a plan
[03:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> stuff on sata
[03:31] <larrywells> what version of KDE is on edgy?
[03:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> im using 6.10 :P
[03:32] <ForgeAus> so use the qtparted thats built into the liveCD when you install it and you should b fine
[03:32] <ForgeAus> 6.10 is edgy what KDE is it tho?
[03:32] <ForgeAus> 3.5.5?
[03:32] <Kubuntu|Slave> says kde 6.10 :P
[03:32] <ForgeAus> or 3.5.4 or something... but I'm just guessing
[03:32] <ForgeAus> kde isn't up to 6.10
[03:32] <ForgeAus> 3.5.6 or something just come out
[03:32] <ForgeAus> read the topic
[03:33] <larrywells> how can i check
[03:33] <ForgeAus> um kde should have versioning info maybe you have to run an app and go to the about screen?
[03:33] <Kubuntu|Slave> 3.5.5
[03:33] <ForgeAus> 3.5.5 is what my LiveCD has
[03:33] <ForgeAus> and its edgy
[03:33] <Kubuntu|Slave> yeah mine crankey too :P
[03:33] <ForgeAus> 3.5.6 is what my HDD install has if I can get to it!
[03:33] <Kubuntu|Slave> j/k
[03:34] <ForgeAus> lol at least its not dapper!
[03:34] <Kubuntu|Slave> yeah
[03:34] <Kubuntu|Slave> still how do I stop it from loading my sata first ??
[03:34] <Jucato> larrywells: the default KDE version installed on Edgy is 3.5.5. you can check by going to any KDE app's Help menu and selecting "About KDE"
[03:35] <larrywells> ok thanks
[03:35] <bobleny> I used apt-get to install a program but it isnt in the kmenu. What should I do?
[03:35] <Kubuntu|Slave> cus im sick of installing XP I gotta split as is :P
[03:36] <Jucato> bobleny: that depends on what program you installed, and on what version of Kubuntu you are on
[03:37] <bobleny> 6.10 I belive the program was called source highliter
[03:37] <Jucato> bobleny: that depends if the 1) app is a command line app or 2) it's meant to have a K menu entry
[03:39] <bobleny> UH.. I dont think it is cmmand line. It is an editor with syntax highlighting.
[03:39] <bobleny> The programe was "source-highlight"
[03:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> how can I tell?
[03:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> where I find the grubroot? in root folder?
[03:41] <bobleny> its at "/boot/"
[03:41] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to play the "World Cup"board on Atlantik but only the places on the top and left side are visible.  Is it meant to be like this?
[03:41] <Kubuntu|Slave> whats it called I got no grubroot
[03:42] <larrywells> so 3.5.5 is the latest KDE?
[03:42] <Kubuntu|Slave> vmlinuz 2.6
[03:42] <Jucato> larrywells: no. 3.5.6 was just released
[03:42] <Kubuntu|Slave> system.map.2.6
[03:42] <larrywells> pretty straight forward in updating that?
[03:42] <Kubuntu|Slave> abi.2.6 generic
[03:43] <Kubuntu|Slave> config.2.6 so what one is it?
[03:43] <Jucato> larrywells: http://kubuntu.org has instructions
[03:43] <larrywells> ok thanks
[03:43] <Jucato> bobleny: source-highlight is definitely a command line app
[03:44] <bobleny> Really!?
[03:44] <bobleny> How do I run it?
[03:44] <Jucato> bobleny: http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite/
[03:44] <Kubuntu|Slave> what file do I edit?? I dont got grubroot
[03:44] <Kubuntu|Slave> I unhid files & lookin in /boot/
[03:44] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: what are you trying to do again?
[03:45] <Kubuntu|Slave> stop it from loading my sata first
[03:45] <larrywells> where do i change the resolution?
[03:45] <Kubuntu|Slave> want it to load my ide
[03:45] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: in /etc/fstab?
[03:46] <Jucato> larrywells: System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[03:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> :P
[03:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> ForgeAus*
[03:47] <Kubuntu|Slave> not it
[03:48] <Jucato> you do not want to mount your sda partitions?
[03:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> ext partition
[03:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> I need to boot linux
[03:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> I got a split partiiton
[03:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> but when I oad linux it laods XP or my sata instead
[03:49] <Kubuntu|Slave> pure ext3 HD loads sata
[03:49] <Jucato> so you're not able to see the GRUB menu at all when you boot?
[03:49] <Kubuntu|Slave> split HD it loads XP Even whne I load XP second
[03:49] <Kubuntu|Slave> exactly
[03:49] <Kubuntu|Slave> I have the linux partition active
[03:49] <Jucato> did you check the settings in you BIOS?
[03:49] <Kubuntu|Slave> not the ntfs
[03:50] <Daskreech2> why doesn't openoffice.org check spelling?
[03:50] <Kubuntu|Slave> that does no good if linux dont load
[03:50] <distro-tester> hello all
[03:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: did you check the settings? and if you have a dictionary installed?
[03:50] <distro-tester> hey jucato hi how are u?
[03:50] <Kubuntu|Slave> I got 2 HD's 1 sata 1 IDE
[03:51] <Kubuntu|Slave> I split the IDE
[03:51] <DaSkreech> what kind of Dictionary?
[03:51] <Kubuntu|Slave> Linux & NTFS
[03:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: ispell or aspell?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Yeah have those
[03:51] <Kubuntu|Slave> loaded IDE HD pure linux goes to sata drive
[03:51] <Jucato> DaSkreech: did you check if OO.o has spell checking enabled?
[03:51] <distro-tester> as skype has a lower version respect to xp one is there's a way to join the live chats as it dosen't have the live button?
[03:52] <Kubuntu|Slave> loaded Split drive linux forst NTFS second loads NTFS
[03:52] <DaSkreech> it says it does
[03:52] <distro-tester> u speaking to me daskreech?
[03:52] <DaSkreech> distro-tester: No Sorry for the mixup
[03:53] <Kubuntu|Slave> WHERE do I change the boot to allow Linux to load first??
[03:53] <distro-tester> i used skype linux but was not able to find the live botton neither to find where to join live chats any one knows how u do that on the linux version?
[03:54] <Jucato> BIOS controls which hard drive (in the IDE) it boots into or tries to boot into
[03:54] <Kubuntu|Slave> No itt doesnt
[03:54] <Kubuntu|Slave> IDE is first
[03:54] <Kubuntu|Slave> LInux conreols from there
[03:54] <calilasseia> Are you using the GRUB boot loader?
[03:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> loads IDe first from NTFS
[03:55] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: in your /boot/grub/menu.lst, can you check if the line "hidden" is enabled (or if it is "#hidden")
[03:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> no im using ntfs :P
[03:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> \yes Im loading grub
[03:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> there is no grubroot in my root folder
[03:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> there is NO GRUB
[03:56] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: stop looking for grubroot
[03:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> said that 4 times
[03:56] <calilasseia> Right - well Jucato beat me to it, there's a file called /boot/grub/menu.lst you can edit - it's a plain ASCII text file
[03:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> there is no /grub jsut root
[03:56] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: /boot/grub /boot/grub /boot/grub
[03:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> u dont knwo diudly u dont know didly
[03:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> IM in /root
[03:57] <Jucato> not /grub, not /root
[03:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> there no grub
[03:57] <Jucato> get out of /root
[03:57] <distro-tester> jucato u able to help me on what i asked on skype how to join skypecasts as the linux version has no live botton?
[03:57] <Jucato> go to /
[03:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> jmynuhREAD first ghod
[03:57] <Jucato> distro-tester: sorry, I'm not familiar with skype
[03:58] <distro-tester> no how u doing btw?
[03:58] <calilasseia> Go to your root directory, namely "/"
[03:58] <calilasseia> Then go to /boot
[03:58] <Jucato> Kubuntu|Slave: you are in /root right now? then "cd /boot/grub"
[03:58] <calilasseia> Then in there, you should find the /grub directory - go to that ...
[03:59] <ForgeAus> hmmm still error 17 :(
[03:59] <calilasseia> One of those little things that are sent to confuse us - the root directory is "/", but there's also a /root directory in there as well :)
[03:59] <phred_> I need some help installing a HP Laserjet 5L printer in Kubuntu...
[03:59] <ForgeAus> lol calilasseia good point
[04:00] <ForgeAus> it never occurred to me that way before
[04:00] <ForgeAus> one is the root drive directory and the other is for the root user
[04:00] <Jucato>  /root is the root user's home directory
[04:00] <phred_> I get  "unable to load the requested driver"
[04:00] <calilasseia> Kubuntu|Slave, once you've found the /grub directory, and you've found the file "menu.lst", it's a plaijn ASCII text file you can edit ...
[04:01] <calilasseia> However, to edit it you need super user privileges ....
[04:01] <ForgeAus> to edit any directory other than /home/<yourusernamehere> you need root priveliges
[04:01] <ForgeAus> (or perhaps fakeroot?)
[04:01] <ifti_> I have a .tar file, how do I install it?
[04:01] <ForgeAus> not sure
[04:01] <Jucato> ifti_: what are you trying to install?
[04:02] <ForgeAus> ifti thats one thign about linux that isn't so clearcut to me
[04:02] <Jucato> .tar.gz programs are usually source codes that you need to compile
[04:02] <ForgeAus> a .tar is simply an archive its not exactly a package
[04:02] <calilasseia> Best way of editing the menu.lst file is to go to your Kubuntu desktop menu, select "Run command", and when the box appears, type in the command "kdesu kate" ...
[04:02] <Jucato> calilasseia: he's gone
[04:02] <calilasseia> Oh poot ....
[04:02] <ubuntu_> LISTEN u POPTARTS I HAVE /rro/
[04:02] <ForgeAus> but yeah like Jucato said it often contains either an installer script inside the archive and/or it contains source code to compile
[04:02] <calilasseia> Right, time for my own questions ....
[04:02] <Jucato> !caps ubuntu_
[04:02] <ubotu> caps: C* Audio Plugin Suite. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-1 (edgy), package size 184 kB, installed size 404 kB
[04:02] <ubuntu_> NO /ROOT/GRUB can you get past that & get a clue & help me
[04:03] <phred_> Can I get some help on a printer install that isn't working?
[04:03] <Phlosten> mm poptarts
[04:03] <Jucato> ubuntu_: there is really no /ROOT/GRUB. because I said /boot/grub
[04:03] <ForgeAus> (wether its .tar, .tar.bz2 or .tar.gz isn't really all that important since all are just various forms of archive, as long as you can extract the files from it then you should be able to install...)
[04:03] <calilasseia> Oh dear ... ubuntu_, pause for a minute please ....
[04:04] <ubuntu_> its /Boot/Grub MORON DONT GET SMART Cus u aint
[04:04] <Jucato> ubuntu_: READ CAREFULLY. /boot/grub NOT /root/grub. "boot", not "root"
[04:04] <ubuntu_> NBOOB NIGGER BITCH I TYPO'D STFU U BREAINLESS TWIT
[04:04] <ForgeAus> also I think they're both case sensitive
[04:04] <ubuntu_> Im in root folder
[04:04] <ubuntu_> NO GRUB
[04:04] <ubuntu_> that hard to figure out
[04:05] <ubuntu_> good for u
[04:05] <ForgeAus> ubuntu your in your live CD boot directory aren't oyu?
[04:05] <notech> geez, calm down
[04:05] <ubuntu_> ur idiots anyways
[04:05] <ubuntu_> bye morons
[04:05] <Jucato> ubuntu_: that is why I said "get out of /root"
[04:05] <calilasseia> Ubuntu_, follow what I'm going to say step by step ....
[04:05] <Phlosten> \o/
[04:05] <notech> he deserved no help with his attitude
[04:06] <ForgeAus> he's only got an ntfs partition I don't think he's made a kubuntu install yet!
[04:06] <calilasseia> Oh well, suppose it was for the best ....
[04:06] <Phlosten> oh well, cant help someone who doesnt want help
[04:06] <calilasseia> Right, now my own questions ....
[04:06] <ForgeAus> which is why theres no /grub under /boot because he's only using the LIVE CD
[04:06] <phred_> Thank you for turning down the noise.
[04:07] <phred_> Can I get some help on a printer install that isn't working?
[04:07] <calilasseia> Question 1: I'm on Dapper .... how do I enable access to places other than my /home/username directory for my standard login user?
[04:07] <ForgeAus> Jucato its ok I told him he can partition via the installer if he wants...
[04:07] <Jucato> ForgeAus: good luck
[04:07] <ForgeAus> lol, he has to acutally install kubuntu to use grub right?
[04:08] <ForgeAus> me on the other hand I ahve this annoying error 17
[04:08] <ForgeAus> my grub broke
[04:08] <calilasseia> Only at the moment I need super user privileges to access my Windows partition from Kubuntu, and I'd like to be able to do so without needing to sudo every time ....
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Jucato: If you need me holler
[04:08] <Phlosten> ooh error 17 sucks
[04:08] <ForgeAus> it was working
[04:08] <ifti_> trying to install a program called wpa_buddy
[04:08] <DaSkreech> I'm doing some work but I can take time out to stop the smoke alarms
[04:08] <phred_> Calilasseia.. maybe with Groups?
[04:08] <Jucato> !ntfs | calilasseia
[04:08] <ubotu> calilasseia: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:08] <Jucato> calilasseia: NTFS partitions need some special setup
[04:08] <ForgeAus> I modified the partition table
[04:08] <calilasseia> I don't have NTFS - I decided I could do without that hassle :)
[04:09] <ForgeAus> and it messed up my grub
[04:09] <keldon85> hi
[04:09] <ifti_> i downloaded it, and it only comes in source code
[04:09] <Jucato> calilasseia: Windows partition? FAT32?
[04:09] <calilasseia> It's a bog standard FAT32 partition with win98 on it ....
[04:09] <ForgeAus> I thought it would have been as easy as switching the references in menu.lst... but it doesn't seem to quite get that far
[04:09] <ifti_> can't figure out how to install it
[04:09] <keldon85> does anyone know of any decent simple to use irc clients shipped with typical linux distros that run in the console
[04:09] <Jucato> calilasseia: that page would have instructions for FAT32 too
[04:09] <Jucato> keldon85: irssi
[04:09] <ForgeAus> keldon, depends on what you consider decnet...
[04:10] <intelikey> Q: when using dash as sh why does  """ openvt -flc 5 -- su someone -s /bin/sh  """   not read in any of the config files ?    (/etc/profile /etc/*bashrc ~/.*) ???
[04:10] <ForgeAus> theres a few console-based ones, irssi, ircii, among others...
[04:10] <ForgeAus> even emacs has an irc-mode installable
[04:10] <calilasseia> You see I can READ the partitions no problem, but I can't WRITE to them ... to do that I need to sudo each time ... either that ore doa kdesu konqueror ....
[04:10] <ForgeAus> (generally its not shipped with the distro itself tho)
[04:10] <keldon85> i need one that is shipped with the distro
[04:11] <keldon85> because when the display goes and I am in console mode, an irc client would be useful
[04:11] <Jucato> keldon85: irssi is installed by default
[04:11] <ForgeAus> I'm not entirely sure which distros come with which console irc client if any!
[04:11] <Jucato> keldon85: I mean, default on *buntu. not sure with other distros
[04:11] <keldon85> i just tried irssi, and it is not installed (am using the kubuntu 6.10 live cd)
[04:12] <Jucato> keldon85: that's I live CD :)
[04:12] <Jucato> I said it's installed (implying *real* installation) by default :)
[04:12] <ForgeAus> jucato wheres it in?
[04:12] <ForgeAus> I can't ifnd it
[04:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: /usr/bin ?
[04:12] <ForgeAus> nope
[04:13] <distro-tester> well this skype fact remains a mistery jucato
[04:13] <intelikey> ForgeAus you typed in     irssi [enter] 
[04:13] <distro-tester> any one uses skype for linux here?
[04:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: tell me you don't have a kde-core install?
[04:13] <ForgeAus> I know my Kubuntu distro's been modified but irssi wasn't in there
[04:13] <ForgeAus> nor was a find irssi successfull
[04:13] <ForgeAus> kde-core? no
[04:13] <ForgeAus> kubuntu
[04:13] <ForgeAus> I didn't remove irssi
[04:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: how did you install Kubuntu? just the default installation?
[04:13] <ForgeAus> yes
[04:13] <ForgeAus> (I've added to it since)
[04:14] <Jucato> hm... strange... that should be there by default
[04:14] <ForgeAus> but nothing removed thats messed with kubuntu-desktop and certainly not irssi
[04:14] <intelikey> ForgeAus ^  ?
[04:14] <ForgeAus> are you sure?
[04:14] <Jucato> seems like they removed it in Edgy... :(
[04:14] <ForgeAus> I can't find it
[04:14] <Jucato> at least in Dapper it was
[04:14] <ForgeAus> I think they did
[04:14] <ForgeAus> ahh yeah Dapper might have had it
[04:14] <ForgeAus> I don't know
[04:15] <ForgeAus> theres several you can install into it tho
[04:15] <ForgeAus> from the repositories
[04:15] <ForgeAus> problem is one on a default install? thats more difficult
[04:15] <calilasseia> OK that web page someone linked to earlier is proving helpfful ... even though I'm looking forward to tedious editing of fstab to solve my problem LOL
[04:16] <ForgeAus> so anyway how do I get past an error 17 I know I can mount the drive because I'm looking at it!
[04:16] <ForgeAus> so theres no reason grub shouldn't be able to as well right?
[04:16] <phred_> ifti_  are you still here?
[04:16] <intelikey> "tedious editing of fstab"   heh     some people want their cake and to eat it too
[04:16] <calilasseia> Next question - fsck - I understand that it's a good idea to run a fire system check on a Linux system periodically - but before I dive into this I'd like to make sure I'm doing sensible things :)
[04:16] <DaSkreech> Hey Hobbsee
[04:16] <distro-tester> > if any one knows how to join skypecasts whit skype for linux please tell us?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> !skype
[04:17] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:17] <intelikey> ForgeAus linux can mount it.  can grub ?
[04:17] <Jucato> distro-tester: not sure, but there might be a #skype channel too
[04:17] <ForgeAus> intelikey exactly... doesn't seem to be able to
[04:17] <ForgeAus> the live CD has no problems tho
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[04:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: check your menu.lst if the entries are pointing to the correct partitions
[04:17] <distro-tester> ill try thanx jucato can u teach me later how to back up adept and rest jucato so i don't nead to reinstall every time kubuntu?
[04:17] <ForgeAus> um Jucato I'm not quite sure its getting as far as menu.lst
[04:17] <calilasseia> So what's the most sensible way of doing a fsck if you're new to this and don't want to break anything?
[04:18] <DaSkreech> I'll try fix the non spelling check in OO.o later I guess
[04:18] <ForgeAus> and I've done lots of menu.lst editing nothing seems to change it
[04:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus: hm... can you even see the GRUB menu?
[04:18] <ForgeAus> no
[04:18] <Jucato> ah..
[04:18] <ForgeAus> it says its loading it but I get the error17 before it actually shows up
[04:18] <Jucato> so error 17 shows even before seeing the GRUB menu?
[04:18] <ForgeAus> yes
[04:19] <phred_> Can I get some help on a printer install that isn't working?
[04:19] <intelikey> error 17 means that grub can't find it's home
[04:19] <Flying_Eagle> hiey
[04:19] <ForgeAus> loads stage 1.5 then loading menu then directly error 17 no actual memnu
[04:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: intelikey's most likely to be correct. you might have to reinstall grub using the Live CD
[04:19] <ForgeAus> I did that
[04:19] <ForgeAus> no dice
[04:20] <ForgeAus> wen through the recovery after install steps
[04:20] <calilasseia> ForgeAus, when you installed your distro, did you by any chance put the root directory and /boot on different partitions or physical discs ?
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[04:20] <ForgeAus> no calilasseia same partition
[04:20] <distro-tester> 
[04:20] <Jucato> !pastebin  | distro-tester
[04:20] <distro-tester> You can 'join' a Skypecast by entering it's 'room' number as a phone number. Going to https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/ongoing select the Skypecast you are interested in with a right click on the 'Join now' link and open the page in a new browser. The address of this new page, which you will see in the address box at the top contains a 17 digit number, that currently start with +9900111000. Enter this number as a phone number and y
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[04:20] <calilasseia> Hmm, strange ....
[04:20] <distro-tester> this seems to work for us linux
[04:20] <ForgeAus> it used to be /sdb3 but now its /sdb2
[04:20] <intelikey> three things can cause that  1, grub installed impropperly point it'self to the wrong address.   2, bios not able to detect the disk/partition  propperly.   3, fs error.
[04:20] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[04:20] <Jucato> um... then you did change partitions
[04:22] <calilasseia> Usually ForgeAus, the problem you're experiencing is something I'd associate with having "/" and "/boot" on different partitions ... otherwise see Intelikey's post above ....
[04:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus and you just narrowed it down to cause #1  congrats  you get the blue banana
[04:22] <distro-tester> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=72088
[04:22] <TheHermit> hey to install the scaduler
[04:22] <TheHermit> hiow*
[04:22] <TheHermit> how*
[04:22] <ForgeAus> so I just subtracted one from everything in menu.lst (assuming that'd fix it) but it didn't
[04:22] <ForgeAus> so I reinstalled grub,... still no joy
[04:22] <ForgeAus> ok back
[04:22] <ForgeAus> I got booted
[04:22] <ForgeAus> as I was saying it used to be /sdb3 but now its /sdb2
[04:22] <ForgeAus> so I just subtracted one from everything in menu.lst (assuming that'd fix it) but it didn't
[04:22] <ForgeAus> so I reinstalled grub,... still no joy
[04:22] <ForgeAus> (well not everything, jus the 2's that referred to /sdb3)
[04:23] <calilasseia> Whoa .... you installing on SCSI drives ForgeAus?
[04:23] <ForgeAus> untelikey?
[04:23] <ForgeAus> no calilasseia but similar
[04:23] <ForgeAus> for some reason my sata drives are considered scsi
[04:23] <Jucato> ForgeAus: what do you mean by "subracted one"?
[04:23] <ForgeAus> everywhere it had a reference to hd(0,2) I made it (0,1)
[04:23] <ForgeAus> which refers to sdb2 instead of sdb3 right?
[04:24] <intelikey> ForgeAus cure = reinstall grub as if it were not installed.     i.e. clean out /boot/grub/  save your menu.lst for referance if needed later  and install it clean.
[04:24] <ForgeAus> intelikey tried th at
[04:24] <ForgeAus> same problem
[04:24] <Jucato> hm..
[04:24] <distro-tester> any one tryied to use skype for xp whit wine?
[04:24] <calilasseia> You have SATA drives but your distro thinks they're SCSI ... ah ... now that's interesting ....
[04:25] <DaSkreech> sata drives should come up a sda
[04:25] <ForgeAus> distro, um that sounds a bit difficult
[04:25] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech yeah it seems so
[04:25] <intelikey> you did   rm /boot/grub/*   ForgeAus ?
[04:25] <ForgeAus> no
[04:25] <ForgeAus> I didn't rm /boot/grub
[04:25] <ForgeAus> I can try that
[04:25] <intelikey> then don't tell me "<ForgeAus> intelikey tried th at"
[04:26] <ForgeAus> it can't remove it
[04:26] <calilasseia> Try sudo rm /boot/grub/*
[04:26] <calilasseia> You need super user privileges to remove that directory branch ....
[04:27] <ForgeAus> ahh fixed it
[04:27] <ForgeAus> yeah I needed to use sudo
[04:27] <calilasseia> Better still, try the command "sudo su" then from that point on you can do everything with super user privileges ... but be CAREFUL what you do in this mode!!!!!
[04:27] <ForgeAus> okk reinstalling
[04:28] <ForgeAus> yeah I know cali
[04:28] <intelikey> calilasseia sudo -i
[04:28] <ForgeAus> um intelikey
[04:28] <TheHermit> hey my azurues cant make the sppedscaduale in it work and its telling me there is parser on my system so ani ideas
[04:28] <calilasseia> Ah ... thanks Intelikey, must remember that :)
[04:28] <ForgeAus> you told me to delete /boot/grub right/
[04:28] <phred_> Can I get some help on a printer install that isn't working?
[04:28] <TheHermit> no parser
[04:28] <intelikey> the files in it ForgeAus
[04:28] <ForgeAus> yeah all gone
[04:29] <ForgeAus> now I don't even have a stage1
[04:29] <intelikey> i didn't tell you to delete the dir
[04:29] <ForgeAus> so it says fule not found whe I try to find it
[04:29] <intelikey> right
[04:29] <ForgeAus> grr file not found
[04:29] <intelikey> sudo grub
[04:29] <ForgeAus> thats the first step I'm supposed to use right?
[04:29] <intelikey> sudo grub
[04:29] <Jucato> did he just delete the contents of /boot/grub?
[04:29] <calilasseia> You DID remember to type "rm /boot/grub/*" to delete the contents and NOT "rm /boot/grub" which deletes the directory as well???
[04:29] <intelikey> Jucato yes
[04:29] <ForgeAus> intelikey told me to!
[04:29] <ForgeAus> so there is no stage1 anymore
[04:30] <Jucato> yep... no more stage1...
[04:30] <Jucato> you need a complete grub-install
[04:30] <ForgeAus> so how can it find something that ins't there?
[04:30] <intelikey> also told him to save menu.lst first.
[04:30] <ForgeAus> I already had a saved menu.lst
[04:30] <ForgeAus> still have
[04:30] <ForgeAus> (in my user home directory)
[04:30] <intelikey> sudo grub
[04:30] <ForgeAus> not the liveCD one my actual user one
[04:30] <ForgeAus> (forgeaus)
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[04:30] <ForgeAus> I did sudo grub
[04:30] <ForgeAus> now what?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> next step is find /boot/grub/stage1 right?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> which I just deleted
[04:31] <intelikey> find /boot/grub
[04:31] <Jucato> intelikey: without stage1 and stage2, root (hdx,x) would be useless, afaik
[04:31] <ForgeAus> um thats wierd
[04:31] <ForgeAus> that says file not found too
[04:31] <intelikey> Jucato he can just tell it root=
[04:31] <ForgeAus> um whats going on?
[04:32] <calilasseia> I suspect you may have deleted the actual directory as well ForgeAus ....
[04:32] <Jucato> intelikey:  but he needs stage1 for setup (hdx) to work
[04:32] <intelikey> ForgeAus how many hdd's do you have ?
[04:32] <asrielle> root@asrielle:~# beryl-manager
[04:32] <asrielle> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:32] <asrielle> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:32] <ForgeAus> no caliessa not hte directory just the files under it
[04:32] <asrielle> can someone tell me what causes that error plz?
[04:32] <ForgeAus> 2 HDD's but many partitions on the second one
[04:32] <calilasseia> OK ...
[04:32] <ForgeAus> (partition 2 ala sdb2 is the one where grub is)
[04:32] <ForgeAus> the first hdd is one big NTFS partition
[04:32] <intelikey> and this install is on  hd0 ?
[04:32] <intelikey> ok
[04:32] <calilasseia> Meanwhile, can someone tell me what are the most sensible fsck options for a newcomer to use
[04:33] <ForgeAus> um thats a strange point intellikey
[04:33] <intelikey> root (hd0.1)
[04:33] <calilasseia> Only I don't want to do a fsck with options that could prove disastrous ....
[04:33] <ForgeAus> it should be considered hd1 but grub refers to it as hd0 AFTER install
[04:33] <asrielle> oops
[04:33] <matt0507> which program should i get to be able to burn music cd from mp3 files? apparently mp3 is not supported by k3b :(
[04:33] <asrielle> ok thx :p
[04:33] <ForgeAus> (note: I tried it both ways)
[04:33] <Jucato> matt0507: install libk3b2-mp3 and K3b will be able to
[04:33] <ForgeAus> um I get no such partition
[04:33] <ForgeAus> but 1,1 works
[04:34] <intelikey> ForgeAus in the grub prompt. type   root (hd1,1)
[04:34] <ForgeAus> yup did
[04:34] <ForgeAus> that worked
[04:34] <intelikey> type install
[04:34] <intelikey> err is it   "setup "
[04:34] <matt0507> ah ok, i got it :) ty.
[04:34] <ForgeAus> filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist
[04:34] <ForgeAus> yeah I was going to say
[04:34] <calilasseia> I read in the manual something about serialising fsck so that it doens't hog CPU and memory usage ... I suspect it might be a good idea for other reasons too ... am I correct?
[04:35] <ForgeAus> unrecognised device string I need the (1,1) after it right?)
[04:35] <intelikey> well i don't/can't use grub so don't expect too much out of me.
[04:35] <ForgeAus> hehe its ok intelikey your doing great sofar
[04:35] <intelikey> ForgeAus no
[04:35] <ForgeAus> um ok
[04:35] <ForgeAus> what then?
[04:35] <sampan> that's the second time edgy has locked up hard when i've gone to empty the trash (to delete files on an external) USB drive
[04:35] <intelikey> ForgeAus you need the correct root=
[04:36] <ForgeAus> um I figured that much
[04:36] <ForgeAus> but doesn't setup do that?
[04:36] <intelikey> ForgeAus root (hd1,2)      and try setup
[04:36] <TheHermit> Why beryl slowing down my system
[04:36] <ForgeAus> same unrecognised device string
[04:36] <calilasseia> OK I'll pop back later when this grub business has been sorted ... :)
[04:36] <calilasseia> Bye ....
[04:37] <ForgeAus> are you sure you don't need ()'s after setup?
[04:37] <phred_> bye
[04:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus i'm sure.
[04:37] <ForgeAus> somethings going on then
[04:37] <ForgeAus> this isn't good
[04:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus but you are not so test it.
[04:37] <Jucato> ForgeAus: which MBR do you want to install GRUB?
[04:37] <ForgeAus> mbr? um I think both drives have it by now!
[04:38] <Jucato> ForgeAus: which one does BIOS boot into?
[04:38] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure which is which because in the bios they're the same string
[04:38] <ForgeAus> yeah I think jucato's right
[04:38] <ForgeAus> hdx?
[04:38] <intelikey> hd1
[04:38] <ForgeAus> so setup (hd1)
[04:38] <intelikey> hd0
[04:38] <intelikey> actually
[04:38] <Jucato> depends if you want to install it on hd1 or hd0
[04:38] <intelikey> so it boots without a bios change
[04:38] <Jucato> sda or sdb
[04:39] <ForgeAus> ok error 15 File not found
[04:39] <ForgeAus> same with hd0
[04:39] <juano> ForgeAus: you need to reinstall grub?
[04:39] <ForgeAus> isn't that what setup does?
[04:40] <Jucato> not if you delete stage1
[04:40] <juano> ForgeAus: are you dual booting with windows?
[04:40] <ForgeAus> um ok how do I reinstall it?
[04:40] <ForgeAus> yes juano
[04:40] <Jucato> ForgeAus: where did you get that error 15?
[04:40] <juano> ForgeAus: where is your windows partition? and linux root partition? how many HDDs ?
[04:40] <ForgeAus> actually tribooting but to grub its just a dualboot ntldr and linux (and a few other linux mods)
[04:40] <ForgeAus> 2 sata hdd's
[04:40] <Jucato> ForgeAus: where did you get that error 15?
[04:41] <ForgeAus> jucato when I said setup (hd0) (or hd1 same thing)
[04:41] <juano> ForgeAus: so you got sda and sdb... are you booting from live cd now?
[04:41] <ForgeAus> it said checking if /boot/grub/stang1 exists ... no
[04:41] <Jucato> ForgeAus: because stage1 was deleted...
[04:41] <ForgeAus> checking if /grub/stage1 exists... no
[04:41] <Jucato> strage1 is *that* important
[04:41] <ForgeAus> then said eroor 15
[04:41] <ForgeAus> yeah
[04:41] <ForgeAus> so where do I get a new one from can I copy it from the live cD?
[04:41] <juano> ForgeAus: i was having this issue before yesterday, i fixed it mounting my root partition from live cd
[04:42] <intelikey> juano answering for ForgeAus two hds linux on hd1,1
[04:42] <ForgeAus> yes I got sda and sdb and booting from the live CD
[04:42] <Jucato> not really familiar, but I think you can use the "grub-install" command
[04:42] <juano> intelikey: thanks.. mm ok
[04:42] <Jucato> !grub
[04:42] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:42] <ForgeAus> grub install? from the grub prompt or outside it?
[04:42] <juano> ForgeAus: outside
[04:42] <Jucato> outside
[04:42] <juano> ForgeAus: go into a terminal in live cd
[04:42] <ForgeAus> yup that worked
[04:42] <ForgeAus> but I need to give it parametersoptions
[04:43] <ForgeAus> um thats a problem
[04:43] <juano> ForgeAus: well, i fixed it doing sudo grub-install --root-directory=mymountedrootpartition /dev/hda  ---> in your case change /dev/hda for /dev/sda
[04:44] <ForgeAus> I used sudo grub-install and it still said can't find /boot/grub
[04:44] <juano> ForgeAus: you need to boot from a live cd, and get into gparted, then check to see what your root partition is
[04:44] <intelikey> notech:  mymountedrootpartition  needs interpreted.
[04:44] <ForgeAus> wait I need mnt/sdb2 not dev/sdb2?
[04:44] <intelikey> note;
[04:44] <juano> ForgeAus: is sdb2 your root partition?
[04:44] <ForgeAus> thats what it mounted under
[04:45] <ForgeAus> so it shold b
[04:45] <ForgeAus> I am booting from a live CD
[04:45] <juano> ForgeAus: ok, so first you need to do this in live cd
[04:45] <intelikey> type   mount   and see
[04:45] <juano> ForgeAus: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdb2
[04:45] <ForgeAus> ok says unionfs on /type unionfs (rw)
[04:45] <keldon85> ok, this is becoming a nightmare
[04:45] <juano> ForgeAus: then so sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/sdb2
[04:46] <keldon85> it seems that there is a problem with the partition table
[04:46] <ForgeAus> proc on /oric... sys on sys var run on /var/run varlock... procusb... yea yeha last one /dev/sdb2 on /mnt/sdb2 type ext3 (rw)
[04:46] <keldon85> kubuntu cannot manage the partitions, and it seems that the other distros have troubles too
[04:46] <ForgeAus> grr oric was meant to be proc, jsut at ypo
[04:46] <ForgeAus> grr typo
[04:46] <Jucato> keldon85: what do you mean?
[04:46] <ForgeAus> it mounts as sdb2 and I can access it there
[04:46] <ForgeAus> so that has to be right
[04:46] <intelikey> ok it is /dev/sdb2   that settels that
[04:47] <ForgeAus> I told you that!
[04:47] <juano> ForgeAus: does it mount under /mnt/sdb2?
[04:47] <ForgeAus> YES
[04:47] <juano> ForgeAus: well then
[04:47] <ForgeAus> I already ha it mounted before I even asked all this
[04:47] <ForgeAus> thats the first thing I did
[04:47] <intelikey> well i thought it setteled it....
[04:47] <ForgeAus> how else could I get to my menu.lst?
[04:47] <juano> ForgeAus: sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sdb2 /dev/sdb
[04:48] <intelikey> it doesn't seem to be setteled yet.
[04:48] <ForgeAus> ooh that did something
[04:48] <keldon85> When I attempt to 'manually edit partition table' it says that 'the advanced partitioner (qtparted) crashed
[04:48] <juano> ForgeAus: reboot and try now
[04:48] <intelikey> Jucato no.
[04:48] <Jucato> ok :)
[04:48] <juano> Jucato: nope, the root partition is under /mnt/sdb2
[04:49] <ForgeAus> ok so I got (fd0) /dev/fd0
[04:49] <ForgeAus> (hd0) /dev/sda
[04:49] <ForgeAus> and (hd1) /dev/sdb
[04:49] <juano> ForgeAus: ok, reboot now, and if it doesnt work, i now what it is
[04:49] <surgy> can anyone tell me why im getting "input device failure" http://www.pastebin.ca/329904   ??
[04:49] <keldon85> so not only can I not install linux, but I cannot fix it either
[04:49] <ForgeAus> that sounds good
[04:49] <Jucato> juano: ah ok.. I was looking at man grub-install, and it mentioned Directory, not partition... but ok :)
[04:49] <ForgeAus> reboot? ok see you from the live CD on the other side :)
[04:49] <ForgeAus> (if not it works and I see you from in my kubuntu)
[04:50] <intelikey> Jucato yes    fud
[04:50] <intelikey> as they say.
[04:50] <juano> Jucato: i had the same problem before yesterday, remember genii helped me
[04:50] <keldon85> i just don't know where to go from here
[04:50] <Jucato> oh yeah
[04:50] <intelikey> i think i might perfer the phrase   mud
[04:52] <intelikey> Q: when using dash as sh why does  """ openvt -flc 5 -- su someone -s /bin/sh  """   not read in any of the config files ?    (/etc/profile /etc/*bashrc ~/.*) ???
[04:53] <intelikey> anyone ?
[04:54] <keldon85> i think my only option is to try to fix the boot records in windows; and then try another distro like suse 10.2
[04:56] <intelikey> this is taking too long.  i don't think it worked...
[04:57] <Jucato> :(
[04:57] <intelikey> or it did and he's streightening out menu.lst      or crookeding it up ?
[04:57] <juano> intelikey: theres a chance he needs to get menu.lst straitened yes
[04:58] <juano> intelikey: sometimes wrong partition number by default
[05:02] <darthdual> Does anyone here know how to return the IP address of an IRC user.
[05:03] <intelikey> /whois user
[05:03] <Jucato>  /whois intelikey
[05:03] <darthdual> tried it , but it gives a domain name instead.
[05:03] <intelikey> don't confuse them
[05:04] <matt0507> is there a more reliable burning program other to k3b it kept giving me errors and wasting my cd.. (maybe i not doing something correctly ><)
[05:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: how did it go?
[05:04] <juano> ForgeAus: how did it go?
[05:04] <juano> Jucato: lol
[05:04] <Jucato> hehe :)
[05:04] <intelikey> darthdual so take the dn to a dns server and decript it
[05:04] <Jucato> matt0507: what are you trying to do and what errors does it give you? try a rewritable CD next time for testint
[05:05] <ForgeAus> not good
[05:05] <ForgeAus> sorry had a phone call
[05:05] <ForgeAus> anyway back now
[05:05] <ForgeAus> um I got a grub prompt
[05:05] <juano> ForgeAus: ldo this now
[05:05] <Jucato> ForgeAus: error messages?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> no error
[05:05] <intelikey> darthdual i.e. install whois and whois that.domain/name.com
[05:05] <ForgeAus> just a grub prompt
[05:05] <juano> ForgeAus: mount your root partition now
[05:05] <ForgeAus> no menu
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I'm getting used to doing this one
[05:05] <juano> ForgeAus: u didnt get to menu?
[05:05] <juano> ForgeAus: are you booting from sda?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> no menu just a grub prompt
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I don't think so
[05:06] <juano> ForgeAus: check n BIOS to see if your booting from sda
[05:06] <ForgeAus> ok if so just switch them over?
[05:06] <Jucato> he got to a grub prompt... that's a bit of progress now, right?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> I'm not exactly sure with the bios they both show up the same
[05:06] <ForgeAus> yep Jucato I'm happy
[05:06] <Jucato> ForgeAus: can you check if you have /boot/grub/stage1 now?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> I could if I knew it type in the boot string
[05:07] <juano> ForgeAus: mm well try identifing by size or something, you need to be sure your booting from the right HDD
[05:07] <ForgeAus> root=all that thing that points to linuxkernel...
[05:07] <ForgeAus> then boot
[05:07] <ForgeAus> but I can't remember it offhand
[05:07] <ForgeAus> I'd rather the menu do that for me
[05:07] <intelikey> Jucato he said it gave a grub prompt but no menu.  so the stages are fine.
[05:07] <ForgeAus> juano they're EXACTLY the same HDD
[05:07] <ForgeAus> both segate 160's
[05:07] <ForgeAus> sata drives
[05:07] <Jucato> ok...
[05:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> can
[05:07] <illriginal> Hey what's up guys? I have a question
[05:07] <Balsamic_Chicken> anyone see this?
[05:07] <juano> ForgeAus: lol, well then try booting from the other one
[05:08] <juano> ForgeAus: the one you didnt boot with
[05:08] <illriginal> Kafein doesn't play .mpeg files.. how would i go about gettin it to play .mpeg?
[05:08] <ForgeAus> ok mounted
[05:08] <juano> ForgeAus: on what partition is your linux?
[05:08] <ForgeAus> juano I assume if I select the bottom one its the one it isn't at currently
[05:08] <illriginal> i get sound but no video.
[05:08] <ForgeAus> (I tried it both ways)
[05:08] <darthdual> You gotta install libdvd illriginal
[05:08] <ForgeAus> linux partition should be on second drive
[05:09] <illriginal> ok gonna check ark
[05:09] <ForgeAus> (being sdb2 it suggests its already as second drive)
[05:09] <darthdual> some other stuff too probably
[05:09] <intelikey> ForgeAus why don't you pastbin your "saved" copy of menu.lst  and let us fix it for you.
[05:09] <ForgeAus> (wouldn't it be sda2 otherwise)
[05:09] <juano> ForgeAus: ahh sdb2 ok
[05:09] <ForgeAus> intelikey assuming i GOT a menu.lst
[05:09] <ForgeAus> just about to check
[05:09] <beg1689> wassup yo
[05:09] <juano> ForgeAus: well its (hd1,1) then
[05:09] <darthdual> illriginal try ogle, it plays dvds well
[05:09] <intelikey> ForgeAus re-read my post
[05:09] <ForgeAus> thats the problem
[05:09] <ForgeAus> no menu.lst
[05:10] <darthdual> also mplayer
[05:10] <ForgeAus> but I can fix from here right
[05:10] <ForgeAus> jsut copy my old one?
[05:10] <illriginal> libdvdread3 is installed.
[05:10] <juano> ForgeAus: edit your /mnt/sdb2/boot/grub/menu.lst and change your linux roots for (hd1,1) if they are not
[05:10] <intelikey> "saved" copy of menu.lst    the one you said you already had.
[05:10] <beg1689> hey guys... anyone here know anything about tha cpu frequency controller that comes default with kubuntu?
[05:10] <illriginal> it's not a dvd.. just .mpeg format.
[05:10] <ForgeAus> (juano the windows root should be 0,0 right?)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> (rest should 1,1 tho)
[05:10] <juano> ForgeAus: yes, dont touch that one
[05:10] <juano> ForgeAus: exactly
[05:10] <darthdual> oh, not sure about that but try mplayer.org, it's the best
[05:11] <darthdual> plays everything
[05:11] <intelikey> ok too many cooks in the kitchen again
[05:11] <darthdual> mplayerhq.org
[05:11] <asrielle> heya, I got kubuntu and I have kaffeine...I've been told it'd be possible to watch tv from my tv tuner with kaffeine, how do I do that?
[05:11] <asrielle> I have an AIW Radeon 9800 pro
[05:12] <juano> ForgeAus: are they on 1,1?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> how you do yrename a file on the comand prompt?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> I called it menu.old
[05:12] <ForgeAus> need to rename the extension
[05:12] <ForgeAus> to, lst of course
[05:12] <Balsamic_Chicken> jlk
[05:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: sudo mv <oldname> <newname>
[05:12] <intelikey> mv file newname
[05:13] <ForgeAus> grrr stupid sudo I keep forgetting
[05:13] <juano> ForgeAus: lol
[05:13] <ForgeAus> even through you typed it right infront of me!
[05:13] <ForgeAus> ok now I #'d out the bootsplash that doesn't exist anymore
[05:13] <asrielle> well I do sudo -i
[05:13] <asrielle> its easier :p
[05:13] <beg1689> hello? is there any thing i can do to adjust my cpu frequency settigns?
[05:14] <darthdual> in the bios maybe.
[05:14] <ForgeAus> now with all the 1,1's it should be right right?
[05:14] <beg1689> i mean cpu frequency stepping
[05:14] <juano> ForgeAus: i suppose so yes
[05:14] <darthdual> ???????????
[05:14] <ForgeAus> if this works I'll pastebin it for you guys if not I'll reboot and pastebin it again!
[05:14] <beg1689> i have a laptop and its always >2GHz
[05:14] <ForgeAus> (erm well not again  but you get it)
[05:14] <juano> ForgeAus: yea
[05:14] <beg1689> more than i need for simple tasks
[05:14] <intelikey> ForgeAus wait
[05:15] <ForgeAus> what?
[05:15] <ForgeAus> I just put them all back in
[05:15] <darthdual> Where is there a good reference on what can be done with IRC
[05:15] <ForgeAus> and the /sdb3 is already switched to /sdb2
[05:15] <intelikey> ForgeAus grep root /mnt/sdb2/boot/menu.lst | grep sdb
[05:16] <intelikey> if that returns anything you may still have problems
[05:16] <ForgeAus> you made a mistake
[05:16] <ForgeAus> '
[05:16] <ForgeAus> you forgot the grub
[05:16] <intelikey> yeah add it
[05:16] <ForgeAus> erm /boot/grub/menu.lst right?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sdb2 ro quiet splash
[05:16] <ForgeAus> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/sdb2 ro single
[05:16] <juano> ForgeAus: grep root /mnt/sdb2/boot/grub/menu.lst | grep sdb
[05:17] <juano> ForgeAus: yes good
[05:17] <ForgeAus> that should work now right?
[05:17] <intelikey> ok looks right.
[05:17] <juano> ForgeAus: give it a shot
[05:17] <ForgeAus> wait 2.6.17 is right?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I reinstalled grub remember
[05:17] <ForgeAus> is 2.6.17 not changed?
[05:17] <intelikey> ls /mnt/sdb2/boot
[05:17] <intelikey> you tell us.
[05:17] <juano> ForgeAus: yea its just fine
[05:18] <ForgeAus> nope its the same
[05:18] <juano> ForgeAus: i got the same
[05:18] <ForgeAus> so thats fine
[05:18] <ForgeAus> ok I'll resset now! crossing fingers it SHOULD work!
[05:18] <juano> ForgeAus: yep.. hope so
[05:18] <beg1689> good luck
[05:18] <ForgeAus> but then thats what I thought the first few times I did this!
[05:18] <intelikey> yep
[05:18] <beg1689> so... does anyone know what is controlling the cpu frequency by default in kubuntu?
[05:18] <juano> intelikey: im thinking he might wanna check his fstab too
[05:18] <beg1689> or how i can find out
[05:19] <juano> intelikey: sometimes it gets corrupted
[05:19] <intelikey> juano if and when he gets grub streightened out he'll know if that's right or not.
[05:19] <juano> intelikey: yep :)
[05:20] <intelikey> juano i've never seen on "sometimes it gets corrupted" but i've broke a few...
[05:20] <intelikey> on/one
[05:20] <juano> intelikey: hehe, yea well i had some UUID entries that i changed when i had this issue
[05:20] <juano> intelikey: then seemed fine
[05:21] <intelikey> juano ah yes.  i never have used UUID krap in fstab   that might be why i never saw on "get corrupted"
[05:22] <intelikey> why can i not type one tonight?
[05:22] <DaSkreech> beg1689: The volatage?
[05:22] <intelikey> on two three   three two on
[05:22] <beg1689> voltage/frequency, whatever
[05:23] <beg1689> its overkill right now, when im using my laptop on the go
[05:23] <juano> intelikey: lol, "e" getting raped
[05:24] <intelikey> seems to be mental rather than physical...
[05:24] <beg1689> what controls the stepping? im trying too  look around for some info and it looks like there are ways for software to control it
[05:24] <beg1689> is there a way to do it already or do i have to find a program to do it
[05:24] <juano> hey eisenbergs_
[05:24] <DaSkreech> !power
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <DaSkreech> What's that power management thing?
[05:25] <beg1689> i tihnk the default is called guidance-power-manager
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:25] <DaSkreech>  what processor do you have?
[05:25] <beg1689> but it seems to me that it only monitors the CPU rather than actually doing anything
[05:26] <beg1689> basically i want it to be able to step down as low as 20 or 30%
[05:26] <ForgeAus> YAY!
[05:26] <beg1689> right now it doesnt go any lower than about 75%
[05:26] <ForgeAus> it worked
[05:26] <ForgeAus> well it went through a big file-system scan
[05:26] <juano> ForgeAus: great :-)
[05:26] <ForgeAus> and because I installed unbunt-desktop it switched me to Gnome
[05:26] <ForgeAus> but it's all good! and working
[05:26] <ForgeAus> there was one minor hitch
[05:26] <ForgeAus> the 1,1 was wrong
[05:26] <ForgeAus> it is 0,1 but my HDD's have a habit of doing that for some reason
[05:27] <ForgeAus> the menu.lst always seems to be the opposite one
[05:27] <ForgeAus> but using e at the boot menu was easy enough to modify that minor issue
[05:27] <ForgeAus> I can now change my menu.lst to reflect that
[05:28] <ForgeAus> I do have to change my default back to kde tho how do I do that?
[05:28] <beg1689> log out
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I like having ubuntu but I want kde to be the one that takes preference
[05:29] <beg1689> there should be a little session menu just find the option that says KDE
[05:29] <intelikey> select the wm you want and set it default
[05:29] <beg1689> and then set it to default
[05:29] <ForgeAus> set it to default?
[05:29] <ForgeAus> I can select them but how you SET it as default
[05:29] <juano> ForgeAus: yea
[05:29] <intelikey> yep
[05:29] <juano> ForgeAus: it will ask for that
[05:29] <juano> ForgeAus: when you go in
[05:29] <ForgeAus> it dosn't
[05:29] <ForgeAus> it just goes in
[05:30] <ForgeAus> doesn't ask me
[05:30] <juano> ForgeAus: might be default then
[05:30] <ForgeAus> no
[05:30] <ForgeAus> ubuntu IS my default now
[05:30] <beg1689> how come all the KDE packages arent installed?
[05:30] <ForgeAus> kde is installed I can use it
[05:30] <ForgeAus> but it doesn't ask me to switch it to default
[05:30] <ForgeAus> default is ubuntu
[05:31] <juano> beg1689: you need to install both kubuntu-desktop and kde from repos
[05:31] <beg1689> sorry im changing the subject
[05:31] <juano> beg1689: install kde to get all the kde packages
[05:31] <ForgeAus> I HAVE kubuntu-desktop installed
[05:31] <beg1689> well im using kde, im just saying if i install the actual packages for KDE will it create copies or will it just know that its installed already?
[05:31] <ForgeAus> oh sorry beg you guys talking to beg too
[05:31] <juano> beg1689: i installed both, no it doesnt create copies
[05:32] <beg1689> i use kwin
[05:32] <sfaef> why do i keep on getting input/output error when i try to use k3b to burn music cd?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> lol intelikey xfce does look very gnomish
[05:32] <juano> ForgeAus: glad it worked man, im out now cya!
[05:32] <ForgeAus> the way you can generally tell gnome is
[05:32] <ForgeAus> by the applications/places/system menu
[05:32] <ForgeAus> (and the icon)
[05:32] <beg1689> yea
[05:32] <beg1689> or lack of menu options
[05:33] <intelikey> so other than the kmenu and the fact that nautilus is the desktop  it seems to all be xfce
[05:33] <ForgeAus> xfce4 usually has a smaller bar down the bottom
[05:33] <beg1689> so what wm are you using?
[05:33] <ForgeAus> uh intelikey thunar not nautilus
[05:33] <ForgeAus> XFCE uses thunar
[05:33] <ForgeAus> and its smaller/more efficient than gnome but less options
[05:33] <ForgeAus> XFCE4 is "lighter weight"
[05:33] <intelikey> ForgeAus that's the reason i used kicker... made it bottom center and 50% the size
[05:33] <ForgeAus> gnome is "heavier"...
[05:34] <beg1689> what about kde4?
 XFCE4 is "lighter weight" <<<<  lighter than what ?
[05:34] <ForgeAus> intelikey Gnome
[05:34] <beg1689> cant wait.. i love kde
[05:34] <ForgeAus> thats just what I'm told I don't know for sure
[05:34] <intelikey> ok i wont argue that.
[05:34] <ForgeAus> they seem about the same to me
[05:34] <ForgeAus> just alternates of the same thing like KDE is
[05:35] <ForgeAus> I jsut give preference to kde
[05:35] <intelikey> kde and gnome can be trimmed to about what xfce is by default...   but nothing is light like twm
[05:35] <beg1689> if powernowd was enabled i would see it running, right?
[05:35] <ForgeAus> intelikey of course
[05:35] <beg1689> ubuntu says it is running by default, but i guess thats not  true for kubuntu?
[05:35] <ForgeAus> but twm is very small and doesn't have lots of functions that kde has
[05:35] <mikejanssen> imma gnome fan...kde is too windows-ish by default
[05:35] <mikejanssen> heh
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I don't think I'd know how to even use twm
[05:36] <ForgeAus> actually for my money one I like is amiwm!!!
[05:36] <ForgeAus> sure its a port of amiga's workbench
[05:36] <beg1689> i wish compiz or beryl were more stable
[05:36] <ForgeAus> sure its not very configurable (or at least not that I noticed - but it doesn't really need to b
[05:36] <beg1689> i dont care about all the eye candy, what i really like is being able to scale windows to switch between them
[05:36] <ForgeAus> but its small and works nicely
[05:37] <ForgeAus> beg amiwm is a viable option then!
[05:37] <beg1689> really?
[05:37] <bootleg> wow..
[05:37] <ForgeAus> serious
[05:37] <ForgeAus> but its not in the ubuntu repositories
[05:37] <ForgeAus> you need to get it from debian or somewhere else
[05:38] <ForgeAus> if you want that... but you'll probably find kde or gnome is more useful to you eventually
[05:38] <jahhan> I recently updated all of the upgradeable packages on my edgy system. Riht after I did that, I can no longer print. In fact when I try to print or go to the print system, the gui locks up. When I check top, I see that cupsys is pegged out at 99% CPU. I can make cupsys stop manually, but then obviously I cannot print. any suggestions?
[05:38] <ForgeAus> unless something better comes along
[05:39] <intelikey> more useful ???
[05:39] <ForgeAus> yeah
[05:39] <beg1689> i would like to change alot about my desktop... never have the time
[05:39] <beg1689> my wallpaper is still the default kubuntu
[05:39] <ForgeAus> well apart from the eyecandy there's lots of apps built specifically for those desktops
[05:39] <ForgeAus> ie making them more useful
[05:40] <premier> hello?
[05:40] <intelikey> beg1689 hehhe.  i never let a desktop be anything besides basic black for more than 5minutes  or the whole de gets ditched   lol
[05:41] <premier> my computer is not recognizing my wireless usb mouse.  Usually, I just plug it in and its good to go, but now its not working
[05:41] <beg1689> i think ill change it right now
[05:41] <beg1689> hmmm what to do
[05:42] <intelikey> is it kde ?      kde = right click everything.
[05:42] <beg1689> its not that important since its usually covered... thats another thing i like about the scale windows thing
[05:42] <beg1689> it actually gives you a chance to see parts of your backround
[05:42] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah kde = lotsa right clicks
[05:42] <ForgeAus> but also lotsa leftclicks
[05:42] <beg1689> i saw my friends macbook the other day
[05:42] <ForgeAus> (I think its the windows-like style that involves right clicks)
[05:42] <beg1689> how do they function with no right mouse button?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> its creeping into gnome too ...
[05:43] <ForgeAus> beg, try MacOSX! rofl
[05:43] <asrielle_> how do I get beryl-manager to start at the start of my kde session?
[05:43] <intelikey> anyway
[05:43] <beg1689> ~/.kde/Autorun
[05:43] <ForgeAus> KDE has a nice Aqua-izer decorator/theme called baghira
[05:43] <intelikey> lisdexic
[05:43] <beg1689>  Autostart* sorry
[05:43] <ForgeAus> that + kooldock and you got a MacOSX-alike desktop!
[05:43] <beg1689> just stick a link in there, or a script if you have other options
[05:43] <asrielle_> thx
[05:44] <jahhan> premier: I guess you've already tried changing the batteries?
[05:44] <Eruantalon> tonyy_on_kde:
[05:44] <beg1689> actually i had the same problem
[05:44] <beg1689> unplugging and resyncing the mosue did nothing, ful restart did the trick
[05:45] <intelikey> so no body knows why sh doesn't read-in *profile ?
[05:45] <beg1689> the mac theme is ugly
[05:45] <jahhan> I always feel stupid when I restart, unless I just installed a new kernel.
[05:45] <beg1689> but i think i would take mac over windows some day
[05:46] <beg1689> the only thing i noticed that really bugged me (being a neat freak) is the directories
[05:46] <beg1689> there were some of the standards ones like /opt /lib and such
[05:46] <beg1689> and then a bunch of Windows-like directories
[05:46] <beg1689> made it really messy
[05:47] <intelikey> you know i have yet to ever use /opt for anything
[05:47] <beg1689> same here
[05:47] <beg1689> just saying
[05:47] <gop> !limewire
[05:47] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[05:47] <beg1689> there were like 6 of the usual unix directories, and then a bunch of captilized, multiword directories
[05:47] <DaSkreech> !Frostwire
[05:47] <intelikey> !frostwire
[05:47] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[05:47] <DaSkreech> I win
[05:47] <beg1689> they didnt mix well,
 !frostwire
 !Frostwire
[05:48] <intelikey> did you ?
[05:48] <beg1689> haha
[05:48] <DaSkreech> I won on my screen :)
[05:48] <intelikey> fair enough
[05:48] <DaSkreech> So my logs can be used as proof :)
[05:49] <intelikey> and mine to contest them
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Let the sed competition begin :)
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Oh right
[05:49] <DaSkreech>  You don't use GUI :-P
[05:50] <DaSkreech> What do you do when someone sends you a .doc or a .pdf or a screenshot?
[05:50] <intelikey> but i do use "sed"  (:
[05:51] <intelikey> DaSkreech trash it most of the time   lol
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Well yeah I don't even know if there is a GUI sed
[05:51] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Suppose they give you one in here?
[05:51] <DaSkreech> temporary startx?
[05:51] <intelikey> that's what i was talking about.
[05:52] <DaSkreech> No one has ever sent you a pdf for work?
[05:52] <intelikey> but a .gif .png and the like i can just look at.   dont' need a gui for graphics
[05:52] <intelikey> pdf for work... no.   .tiff  but not pdf
[05:54] <ForgeAus> brb going back to kubuntu
[05:54] <intelikey> where was you now ?
[05:54] <ForgeAus> well in the ubuntu-ized kubuntu
[06:02] <jahhan> I recently updated all of the upgradeable packages on my edgy system. Riht after I did that, I can no longer print. In fact when I try to print or go to the print system, the gui locks up. When I check top, I see that cupsys is pegged out at 99% CPU. I can make cupsys stop manually, but then obviously I cannot print. any suggestions?
[06:03] <d0uglas> hi.. is it possible to do a net install kinda thing (a la debian's business card iso installer) over wifi?
[06:05] <DaSkreech> !net install
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about net install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <d0uglas> ok thanks
[06:06] <DaSkreech> d0uglas: In theory I've heard it can be done. I would imagine if Debian can do it so can Ubuntu but I've never actually seen it done
[06:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Don't expect OO.o help from you though :)
[06:10] <intelikey> no
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Would be nice to have a cli odt viewer
[06:10] <intelikey> odt ?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[06:11] <DaSkreech> it is a standard so it's easily pareable
[06:12] <DaSkreech> parseable and it's XMl so you could have stylesheets for terminal viewing
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Hi hybrid
[06:12] <hybrid> hola
[06:13] <intelikey> xml ?
[06:17] <DaSkreech> !cn
[06:17] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[06:19] <DaSkreech> intelikey: locate taking a while?
[06:20] <polygon89> Hello, I am trying the kubuntu live cd. I am trying to connect to my wireless network, but it keeps saying that the connection failed. I am entering all of my information correct, and it sees the correct network but it still does not want to connect. Any suggestions?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> !wireless
[06:21] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[06:21] <darthdual> Make sure you set the default adapter correctly in the network settings.
[06:21] <darthdual> If you have more than on ethernet card
[06:21] <polygon89> the thing is, that i have ubuntu installed on the same computer
[06:22] <polygon89> And my wireless works fine and setup was flawless, but for some reason on kubuntu it wont connect
[06:22] <polygon89> so its set up right and it "should" have drivers and everything for it
[06:22] <intelikey> DaSkreech perscuse me ?
[06:22] <darthdual> sorry never usede kubuntu............
[06:22] <DaSkreech> * intelikey goes looking for an example xml in his box...
[06:23] <intelikey> oh i was busy in another channel too
[06:23] <polygon89> well, this has been a problem with basically every single kde based distro ive ever used
[06:23] <DaSkreech> have you tried teh wifi assitant?
[06:23] <polygon89> i was using the network settings thing, then i tried the wifi assistant
[06:23] <polygon89> they both dont work (wifi assistant says the connection failed)
[06:23] <intelikey> DaSkreech i thought elinks "might" be able to handle .xml  but no.
[06:23] <darthdual> Does anyone know how much bandwith is required to view a streaming movie full screen nicely.
[06:24] <darthdual> In Mpeg format for example
[06:25] <darthdual> Anyone.....
[06:25] <polygon89> what do you have?
[06:25] <polygon89> internet wise
[06:25] <polygon89> *speed
[06:25] <darthdual> 1.5 Mbps
[06:25] <raize> hello, i'm looking for a bit of help setting up skype after checking a few forums and trying the suggested .deb installation methods
[06:26] <raize> it seems to have installed fine, but if i try opening it, it starts loading (bouncy icon and all) then the icon disappears, and .. nothing.
[06:26] <polygon89> i have a faster internet connection then you, and even on small streaming movies it still stops occassionally
[06:26] <polygon89> to rebuffer
[06:26] <darthdual> Like for example, I vnc into my linux, and use xawtv on the host, and it jitters.  That is direct ethernet.
[06:26] <polygon89> so... i guess it depends on a lot of things. why dont you just try it?
[06:26] <polygon89> oh
[06:27] <intelikey> DaSkreech   nxml-mode - Emacs mode for editing XML documents using RELAX NG schemas
[06:27] <polygon89> im not sure why that would do it, sorry =/
[06:27] <darthdual> But then on windows, watching a movie on a wirelessG network works pretty well, I don't understand that.
[06:27] <polygon89> might be something wrong with your vnc/host setup
[06:27] <polygon89> or something is slowing it down
[06:28] <darthdual> might just be Xawtv program, it's not really made for streaming network
[06:28] <polygon89> that would do it
[06:29] <intelikey> DaSkreech also avalable   tdtd - Emacs major mode for editing SGML and XML DTDs
[06:29] <darthdual> The reason I ask, is that I'm gonna try VNC over the internet, but I'm thinking it wouldn't even be worth the effort
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Well Duh Emacs :)
[06:29] <darthdual> too jittery probably
[06:29] <polygon89> ive seen people do it
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Bye Mez
[06:29] <polygon89> so
[06:29] <polygon89> maybe they have a specific setu[
[06:29] <darthdual> really, how is it.
[06:30] <polygon89> well it was vnc on windows
[06:30] <polygon89> but it worked fine
[06:30] <polygon89> i could only view what he was doing
[06:30] <polygon89> but it didnt seem to slow
[06:30] <darthdual> how fast was the connection
[06:30] <polygon89> too*
[06:30] <polygon89> im not sure what his was but mine is like 9000kbit down / 90kbit up
[06:31] <darthdual> Was it full screen.
[06:31] <polygon89> size of the browser window
[06:31] <polygon89> so pretty close
[06:31] <darthdual> ok, well I guess I'll try it then.
[06:31] <polygon89> just search around, see what works for other people
[06:32] <polygon89> and anyway, does no one know why kde refuses to let me connect to the internet while ubuntu does just fine on the same computer?
[06:32] <crazy_bus> I wan't to install Jahshaka, but the latest .deb on thieir site is for dapper.  Is it alright to use on eddy? http://www.jahshaka.org/component/option,com_mamblog/Itemid,55/task,show/action,view/id,112/
[06:32] <crazy_bus> *edgy
[06:32] <Thehound666> Hello I need a bug workaround
[06:33] <darthdual> have you tried setting the wireless network manually?
[06:33] <Thehound666> when I try administrator mode in Edgy on 2 computers, it goes to blank red border in login manager
[06:33] <darthdual> like iwconfig eth? ........
[06:33] <soulrider> hello
[06:33] <Thehound666> never asks for password
[06:33] <soulrider> does anyone know where hte kubuntu CD torrents are at? =/
[06:34] <Thehound666> is there any alternate way to change my password?
[06:34] <tferrero> hi guys, got a link on the arts server problem with sound?
[06:34] <Thehound666> I need a strong password for openssh server
[06:34] <tferrero> !arts
[06:34] <ubotu> arts: sound system from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.4-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB
[06:35] <Thehound666> hope there's a way to do this besides system settings. Administrator mode only fails on login manager
[06:37] <Morrie20> who woul dlike to help me kill my arts server problem
[06:37] <intelikey> hehhe start kde and it runs this command  http://pastebin.ca/raw/329964
[06:38] <Thehound666> seems noone taking my administrator mode bug workaround, Seems afternoon is better here
[06:38] <Thehound666> so might come back then
[06:38] <Thehound666> I'll stick around though
[06:38] <intelikey> Thehound666 some people sleep sometimes
[06:39] <Thehound666> is this a known bug though?
[06:39] <Thehound666> goes to a blank screen with red border
[06:39] <Jucato> Morrie20: change to sox. :)
[06:40] <Jucato> Morrie20: install sox from universe, then in System Settings, System Notifications,click on Player Settings
[06:40] <Jucato> Morrie20: choose Use an external player, and point it to /usr/bin/play
[06:40] <Thehound666> wait was that one for me?
[06:40] <Thehound666> oh no
[06:40] <Thehound666> oops
[06:42] <DaSkreech> soulrider: try cdimage.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <Thehound666> well better block port 22
[06:42] <Thehound666> this is a huge security concern
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Want to help me sort out spellcheck on OO.o?
[06:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I don't have that big thingamajig installed
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Koffice?
[06:43] <Morrie20> thanks jucato
[06:43] <Jucato> DaSkreech: yep
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Sorely thinking of jumping to it
[06:43] <DaSkreech> I hear it doesn't have full ODT compatibilty?
[06:43] <Thehound666> ok port 22 blocked
[06:44] <Thehound666> take your time now
[06:44] <Jucato> DaSkreech: neither office suite is perfect, even in ODT
[06:44] <Jucato> ODF
[06:44] <DaSkreech> I know
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Oh sure rant
[06:44] <DaSkreech> just PM me to not disillusion the crowd :)
[06:44] <Jucato> bah, not the place nor the time :)
[06:45] <DaSkreech> dev?
[06:45] <Thehound666> maybe if I login as root?
[06:45] <Thehound666> I can bypass the bug
[06:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I can't use a .deb because the packages are dependent on arts
[06:46] <DaSkreech> I take it Koffice spellcheck works?
[06:46] <Jucato> DaSkreech: of course :)
[06:46] <Thehound666> found my own solution I think. So how do I unlock root. I haven't done that since trying breezy
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Night
[06:47] <Jucato> DaSkreech: not to bed...
[06:47] <Thehound666> mourning here
[06:47] <Jucato> almost 2:00 PM here :P
[06:48] <Thehound666> can I bypass administrator mode by logging in as root?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere :)
[06:48] <Jucato> Thehound666: no
[06:48] <DaSkreech> isn't it shave and a haircut?
[06:48] <Jucato> Thehound666: just launch the app with kdesu
[06:48] <Thehound666> any other ways to change my user account password?
[06:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I wouldn't know :)
[06:48] <Thehound666> seems admin mode does not work for login manager
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Wikipedia shave and a haircut
[06:49] <Morrie20> hey jucato
[06:49] <Thehound666> kdesu?
[06:49] <Morrie20> is sox in adept?
[06:49] <Morrie20> i enabled universal
[06:49] <Jucato> Thehound666: um.. "passwd" command
[06:49] <Morrie20> and it's not showing up
[06:49] <DaSkreech> actually thats more like a applet or a dashboard widget
[06:49] <Jucato> Morrie20: "universe" and yes, it's in Adept. if you're on Edgy, you shouldn't need to enable universe
[06:49] <Morrie20> im on edgy and had to last time
[06:49] <Morrie20> when we successfully got it working :D
[06:50] <Thehound666> seems to work, thanks
[06:50] <Jucato> DaSkreech: stop goofing off! go and implement Theory's (wacky?) proposal :P
[06:50] <Thehound666> but why does admin mode hang on that 1 thing
[06:50] <Thehound666> it's otherwise fine
[06:51] <Jucato> Thehound666: sometimes it does that... I don't know why. usually next login (not necessarily reboot) it works
[06:51] <Jucato> (or kill the lurking kdesu process in Ctrl+Esc)
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I'd do it but two things 1) I need to find out about that menu discoverabilty and 2) it'd be included by default which sucketh
[06:51] <Morrie20> n/m just had to fetch updates
[06:52] <Thehound666> what would be really sweet is if openSSH could be limited to IPs
[06:52] <Thehound666> then I wouldn't worry so bad
[06:52] <Jucato> DaSkreech: #2 would be the hardest, afaik... probably a 3rd-party catalog at best
[06:53] <Thehound666> my Windows remote desktop is restricted access to my IPs and my IPs alone
[06:54] <Thehound666> guess openssh wouldn't be open then, they'd have to rename it :P
[06:54] <Thehound666> jk lol
[06:54] <Thehound666> I know it means OpenBSD
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I should wiki it huh?
[06:55] <crimsun> Thehound666: it can be via a number of mechanisms.
[06:55] <Jucato> DaSkreech: don't really know :)
[06:55] <Thehound666> hardware but X here
[06:56] <Thehound666> Windows box
[06:56] <Thehound666> X here
[06:56] <Thehound666> :P
[06:57] <Thehound666> iptables but I'd need incoming open for rtorrent
[06:57] <Thehound666> on other apps
[06:57] <Thehound666> ok those are all I know :P
[06:57] <Thehound666> you know any more?
[06:57] <Morrie20> Jucato: after entering /usr/bin/play isnt there 1 more step?
[06:58] <Jucato> Morrie20: in System Settings, looks for "Sound System" and uncheck/disable the "Enable the sound system". that will disable the use of arts
[06:58] <Morrie20> ty!
[06:58] <Morrie20> I'm going to cut/paste this
[06:58] <Morrie20> and maybe do a graphical how to
[06:59] <Morrie20> just to make your life easy
[06:59] <Jucato> heh
[06:59] <Morrie20> would that be easy?
[06:59] <Thehound666> lol I need to copy paste these guys all the time. I learn new commands faster than I can remember them
[06:59] <Thehound666> lol
[06:59] <Jucato> unfortunately, what I gave were not commands :)
[07:00] <intelikey> no they were orders
[07:00] <intelikey> (:
[07:00] <Thehound666> yeah but GUI stuff for me can always be figured out
[07:00] <Thehound666> commands I'm duh
[07:00] <Jucato> unfortunately, I don't have System Settings here so I can't really say where to go exactly
[07:01] <Thehound666> system settings is directly under the K
[07:01] <intelikey> bah figures... >>> konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/screen.desktop
[07:01] <Thehound666> and then sound has its own area
[07:01] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/kgrantpty not installed setuid root
[07:02] <Jucato> Thehound666: I have a very... different Kubuntu system
[07:02] <Morrie20> lol
[07:02] <Morrie20> i guess I was the guy with the wound problems
[07:02] <Morrie20> that continued
[07:02] <Thehound666> compiled yourself probably
[07:02] <Morrie20> no worries
[07:02] <Morrie20> I'll just keep the error dialog open
[07:02] <Thehound666> since you seem one of the technical ones
[07:02] <Morrie20> and try to solve later
[07:02] <Jucato> good guess
[07:03] <Jucato> Morrie20: what happened?
[07:03] <Morrie20> I still get the same error
[07:03] <Thehound666> I'd like to recompile the Kubuntu kernal with 1 change
[07:03] <Thehound666> not sure how hard it is
[07:03] <Thehound666> want a 100 Hz interrupt rate
[07:03] <Thehound666> instead of 1000
[07:04] <intelikey> Thehound666 do you compile yourself ?
[07:04] <Thehound666> on 1 setup
[07:04] <Thehound666> not yet
[07:04] <Thehound666> someone said kernal is a snap
[07:04] <trappist> Thehound666: 2 e's in kernel
[07:04] <trappist> Thehound666: step one, apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[07:05] <dhq> is there any software to get dolby digital sound
[07:06] <Morrie20> maybe if i reboot sound will work
[07:06] <Morrie20> it's not a big deal
[07:06] <Morrie20> id prefer to get samba working now
[07:06] <Thehound666> pasting this lol because I'm not at the system that would benefit from 100 Hz interrupt rate
[07:06] <trappist> Thehound666: you could still build the kernel there
[07:07] <intelikey> oooops  gota drop out of the notepad race for a while have to remount with suid....  later
[07:08] <Thehound666> hmm seems it's still my old password for sudo
[07:08] <Thehound666> guess it changes after reboot
[07:09] <Thehound666> so what do I do with this source I'm downloading on this slow line?
[07:10] <Thehound666> to get it into an actual OS
[07:10] <Morrie20> does a nyone know a good guide to get samba up and running on kubuntu?
[07:10] <Morrie20> im installing swat right now
[07:11] <Morrie20> hopefully all I need to do as add shares
[07:11] <Thehound666> heh I'd throw someone a donation if they made a guide that worked for me for a certain thing
[07:12] <Thehound666> getting a Radeon X1950PRO XGE to work
[07:12] <Thehound666> without being stuck with vesa
[07:12] <Thehound666> and 1024x768@60 with bad animation
[07:13] <Thehound666> I gave up on that particular computer and resigned to VMWare
[07:14] <Thehound666> but I'd love to see Kubuntu native working on that system
[07:15] <Thehound666> AMD Athlon FX-62 with 2 GB RAM and the aforementioned card
[07:15] <Thehound666> processor ok
[07:15] <Thehound666> network ok
[07:15] <Thehound666> sound ok
[07:15] <Thehound666> graphics problem!
[07:16] <Thehound666> it detects all but the card
[07:16] <Thehound666> and the driver seems uninstallable
[07:19] <Thehound666> someone mentioned I could bounty a driver but I think all is necessary is maybe bounty a working guide for the proprietary driver
[07:19] <Thehound666> just not sure who and where to ask
[07:20] <Flying_Eagle> Thehound666, which graphics-chip do you use?
[07:20] <Thehound666> ATI Radeon X1950PRO XGE
[07:21] <Thehound666> only one that Kubuntu hates of PCs I installed on
[07:21] <premier_> is there a place where I can download screensavers?
[07:22] <Thehound666> seems once I try to use the driver, it crashes xserver
[07:22] <Flying_Eagle> premier_, kde-look.org perhaps?
[07:22] <Flying_Eagle> Thehound666, both - the opensource and the proprietary do crash?
[07:23] <intelikey> oh poo  is there still no fix for this bug ?    *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08179528 ***
[07:23] <intelikey> Unable to read printer database.  Please ensure the "foomatic-db" package is
[07:23] <intelikey> installed properly.
[07:23] <Thehound666> yes
[07:23] <Thehound666> if I configured it right
[07:23] <Flying_Eagle> bitter
[07:23] <Thehound666> did aticonfig
[07:23] <Thehound666> the open does crash for sure
[07:23] <Flying_Eagle> blow ati and buy a nvidia-chip
[07:23] <Thehound666> but not sure if it was actually using proprietary
[07:24] <Flying_Eagle> the only one, 3dfx lives on in
[07:24] <Thehound666> well I dual boot and am a gamer
[07:24] <Thehound666> so do need a fast card for gaming
[07:24] <Thehound666> but would like to see Kubuntu fly on a good pc
[07:24] <Flying_Eagle> Thehound666, check if the module is acutally in the /lib-directory and if its loaded via lsmod
[07:26] <Thehound666> will have to get to that pc
[07:26] <Flying_Eagle> or stick in a second cheap gfx-card and use this for linux-work
[07:26] <Thehound666> running an old nvidia on this one
[07:26] <Flying_Eagle> i assume that you use win for gaming, right?
[07:26] <Thehound666> which seemed autodetected
[07:26] <Thehound666> yes
[07:26] <Thehound666> not much in good RPGs for nix yet
[07:26] <Flying_Eagle> you can emulate wow without much performance-loss in wine
[07:28] <Thehound666> but FFXI...
[07:28] <Thehound666> my long-time favourite
[07:28] <Flying_Eagle> kk
[07:28] <Thehound666> they keep saying not possible for awhile
[07:28] <Thehound666> then no more word
[07:29] <Morrie20> does anyone have swat running for samba?  I'm getting the message "error occurred while running swat"
[07:29] <Morrie20> haven't successfully gotten in to it yet
[07:29] <Thehound666> of course others. I doubt you can run Oblivion
[07:29] <Morrie20> trying to get samba installed
[07:29] <Thehound666> btw shame on you
[07:29] <Thehound666> wine is not an emulator
[07:29] <Thehound666> :P
[07:29] <Flying_Eagle> ill emulate you on a 286
[07:30] <Flying_Eagle> without network access
[07:30] <Thehound666> lol
[07:30] <intelikey> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08179528 *** Unable to read printer database.  Please ensure the "foomatic-db" package is installed properly <<< any fix for that ?
[07:30] <Thehound666> I consider it grey myself because it's APIs simulating an environment, just not CPU emulation
[07:30] <Flying_Eagle> intelikey, it seems to me that you asked that few minutes before already
[07:31] <Thehound666> but most Linux people will jump at you
[07:31] <intelikey> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08179528 *** Unable to read printer database.  Please ensure the "foomatic-db" package is installed properly <<< any fix for that ?
[07:32] <intelikey> asked it again too......     still didn't hear anyone give any kind of yea/nay answer.  or even any place to look for answers.
[07:32] <Flying_Eagle> what about installing foomatic-db?
[07:32] <intelikey> Flying_Eagle it is installed
[07:32] <Flying_Eagle> or apt-get compiling glibc
[07:32] <intelikey> its broken.
[07:32] <intelikey> glibc is the latest update
[07:32] <intelikey> dapper drake.
[07:33] <Flying_Eagle> get the apt-source package, hack the code and then compile it again, so it works
[07:33] <intelikey> Flying_Eagle if i knew C i probably would.
[07:33] <Thehound666> I respect both OS contribution to computers, I just think Linux is a nicer desktop with more tweaks like a more evolved TCP/IP stack
[07:33] <Thehound666> better memory management
[07:33] <intelikey> if i knew databases i probably would try to fix the database.
[07:34] <Flying_Eagle> like everything better on linux. i tried to install winxp-sp2 recently
[07:34] <Flying_Eagle> it was (and is) a pain
[07:34] <Flying_Eagle> no errormessages. just fucked up shit
[07:34] <Flying_Eagle> like, my keyboard didnt work... what now?
[07:34] <Thehound666> I have a good and stable xp sp2 by using nlite way back and making a custom install disc
[07:34] <intelikey> but foomatic-db being broken in the LTS version doesn't sound good....
[07:34] <Thehound666> much bloat and bad services gone
[07:35] <Flying_Eagle> intelikey, is your printer plugged in?
[07:35] <Thehound666> if you have RAID, xp hates that
[07:35] <Flying_Eagle> ill try vista in the next weeks
[07:35] <Thehound666> nlite can slipstream the drivers though
[07:35] <Flying_Eagle> can get it per MSDNAA
[07:35] <intelikey> Flying_Eagle that error is from installing printconf
[07:36] <Flying_Eagle> what is printconf?
[07:36] <intelikey> and yes it's plugged in and turned on.
[07:36] <Thehound666> me not like Vista that much. Prettier with DRM and much more bloat
[07:36] <Thehound666> but Kubuntu is still prettier than Vista
[07:36] <monsterb_> Hi - when I plug in my usb camera digicam starts up - where would I disable it from doing that?
[07:37] <Flying_Eagle> systemsettings
[07:37] <Morrie20> shouldnt kubuntu automatically mount a slave hard drive?
[07:37] <intelikey> Flying_Eagle also kprinter-conf or what ever it's called breaks glass on that
[07:37] <Morrie20> if not, what do i type?
[07:37] <Morrie20> so that it will
[07:37] <Thehound666> Flying_Eagle might try this though. http://www.vlite.com
[07:37] <Thehound666> :)
[07:37] <Thehound666> enjoy
[07:37] <Flying_Eagle> Thehound666, yeah. i know that vista is crap, but you know: know your enemy
[07:37] <Flying_Eagle> >:)
[07:38] <Thehound666> bad link
[07:38] <Thehound666> sorry
[07:38] <Flying_Eagle> Morrie20, in konsole sth like "mount /dev/hdax" if its in /etc/fstab if not "mount -t formattype /dev/hdax /media/mountpoint"
[07:38] <Morrie20> did anyone see that?
[07:38] <Morrie20> how do you mount a hrd drive (it's weird that it didn't automoutn)
[07:38] <Thehound666> http://www.vlite.net/
[07:39] <Thehound666> is right link
[07:39] <Thehound666> .net not .com
[07:39] <Thehound666> now enjoy that
[07:39] <Thehound666> might build a decent Vista out of it
[07:39] <Thehound666> haven't tried it yet
[07:40] <Flying_Eagle> n1, Thehound666, but ill go the hard way. pump 15 gigs of pure vista buisness into my pc
[07:40] <Flying_Eagle> Morrie20, did you see that?
[07:41] <Morrie20> i did
[07:41] <Morrie20> it said my mount point doesn't exist
[07:41] <Morrie20> i see why
[07:41] <Morrie20> i did a hdb1
[07:41] <Flying_Eagle> you should give it a directory which exists
[07:41] <Morrie20> when there is only one partition
[07:41] <Morrie20> should only be hdb
[07:41] <Flying_Eagle> no
[07:41] <Morrie20> oh
[07:41] <Flying_Eagle> there must be a number
[07:42] <Morrie20> hmm
[07:42] <Thehound666> right now I'm running full Vista to see what features I really need
[07:42] <Thehound666> I feel the bloat
[07:42] <Morrie20> Thehound666: me2
[07:42] <Morrie20> on both comments
[07:42] <Morrie20> grrr
[07:42] <madmike> hello all
[07:42] <Morrie20> i might have to go back to opensuse
[07:42] <Flying_Eagle> morning, madmike
[07:42] <Morrie20> this isn't fun
[07:42] <Morrie20> arts wont work
[07:43] <Morrie20> and samba is difficult
[07:43] <Morrie20> hehe
[07:43] <Morrie20> and it wont automount my 2nd hard drive
[07:43] <Morrie20> maybe if i go to ubuntu
[07:43] <monsterb_> !klauncher
[07:43] <Morrie20> heh
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about klauncher - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:44] <Morrie20> does anyone know how to see what a mount point should be for a device?
[07:44] <Flying_Eagle> the mountpoint is by your choice
[07:44] <Flying_Eagle> put it where you want it
[07:45] <Flying_Eagle> but of course "/" "/home" or sth would be not so good
[07:45] <Morrie20> woo hoo
[07:45] <Morrie20> it mounted
[07:45] <Morrie20> my syntax error
[07:45] <monsterb_> Morrie20, in the knosole type ...   tail -f messages        plug in your usb drive - u will see mount point
[07:45] <Morrie20> monsterb_: it's an ide
[07:45] <Flying_Eagle> your officially pimped now, Morrie20
[07:46] <Morrie20> hehe
[07:46] <monsterb_> Morrie20 - ok
[07:46] <Morrie20> I figured it would automount
[07:46] <Morrie20> but it's all good
[07:46] <Morrie20> i learned something
[07:46] <Morrie20> about the console mount commands
[07:47] <Flying_Eagle> <- gonna get some food...
[07:47] <monsterb_> Morrie20, are u using a usb hard drive enclosure?
[07:49] <MotorCityMadMan> kontact is starting on bootup, i cannot seem to find the settings to stop kontact from starting up. Any ideas to stop kontact ?
[07:49] <Morrie20> monsterb_: no, it's ide right to the mb
[07:50] <monsterb_> Morrie20, you got it - cool
[07:51] <Morrie20> yep
[07:51] <Morrie20> :D
[07:51] <Morrie20> ty for helping
[07:52] <monsterb_> Morrie20, i'm on another channel too - someone else having same problem but usb - got you 2 mixed up - hehe
[07:54] <Morrie20> :)
[07:54] <Morrie20> does samba admin stay in the "red box" for a while normally?
[07:55] <monsterb_> !kdeinit
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdeinit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:02] <Flying_Eagle> MotorCityMadMan, maybe session-saving?
[08:02] <Flying_Eagle> so you just close turn off kontact before you log out
[08:02] <Flying_Eagle> or enable manual session-saving
[08:03] <MotorCityMadMan> looking
[08:04] <Morrie20> what is the unmount command?
[08:04] <Flying_Eagle> so if there is "save session" in your kmenu, manual session saving is enabled and you have to save your session as you want it to start up at the end before you log out
[08:04] <Flying_Eagle> Morrie20, umount
[08:06] <monsterb_> Flying_Eagle, when I plug in my usb camera;  digicam starts up;  where would I disable it from doing that?  cannot find that option in system settings...
[08:07] <_spaz> hello
[08:07] <KorN[CM] 2> g
[08:07] <_spaz> i have a problem with adept updater
[08:08] <_spaz> it's refusing to, well, update
[08:08] <swami> i have the same pr like u  monsterb
[08:08] <Flying_Eagle> monsterb_, dont know exactly how its labeled in english but system settings->media should do it
[08:08] <swami> cause it;s start on user rights...and it;s necesary root access for the camera
[08:08] <_spaz> it says something about the database being locked
[08:08] <swami> so i must opne it manualy
[08:09] <tibbar> must i install k8 or generic kernel pkgs to install my nv drivers (dapper amd64)
[08:09] <swami> thiks mean s tht u already have an manager opened
[08:09] <Flying_Eagle> so in this "media" dialog you have a drop down list with different "media types". choose digicam and set it up
[08:09] <_spaz> but i don't
[08:09] <surgy> i cant use redhat binarys to install applications can i?
[08:09] <swami> or an upgrade/update is runnning in that very moment
[08:09] <_spaz> there is no update running afaik
[08:09] <swami> ps aux|grep update or upgrade...
[08:09] <Flying_Eagle> monsterb_, did you find it?
[08:09] <swami> hmm....
[08:10] <swami> apt-get repair
[08:10] <swami> no...
[08:10] <swami> u type apt-get update
[08:10] <monsterb_> Flying_Eagle, im still looking ;)
[08:10] <swami> and then he will ask u if u want to repair smt...
[08:10] <|Daisuke_Ido|> okay, i just installed kubuntu on another pc in the house.  it's got the same wireless card as this one (an rt2500 chipset linksys wmp54g)
[08:10] <swami> at least...this is what i remember...what happend to me
[08:10] <|Daisuke_Ido|> however, it cannot connect to the local network.
[08:11] <Flying_Eagle> monsterb_, its in the hardware-section of systemsettings
[08:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> this one can
[08:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> same settings
[08:11] <Flying_Eagle> as i said, dont know how labelled in english
[08:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> it sees the network
[08:11] <swami> and...?
[08:11] <_spaz> wait, i found the problem
[08:11] <swami> what was it?
[08:11] <_spaz> sorry to trouble you
[08:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> but connecting through wlassistant fails
[08:11] <swami> a fg prog
[08:12] <_spaz> improperly installed package
[08:12] <_spaz> fixing it atm
[08:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> any ideas?
[08:12] <swami> :))
[08:12] <_spaz> i updated dapper drake to edgy eft
[08:12] <tibbar> must i install k8 or generic kernel pkgs to install my nv drivers? (dapper amd64)
[08:12] <swami> yes....i knew it....i had same pr
[08:12] <swami> aha
[08:12] <_spaz> must've been something with that
[08:13] <swami> yes....or if u stop un apt-get...he will give u the same result
[08:19] <Tox> hi, what is a command to view the applications list are using internet traffic
[08:20] <wheatie> iftop
[08:20] <Calilasseia> Hello ... I have a questin concerning fsck ...
[08:20] <Calilasseia> "question"
[08:20] <flaccid> yeah what is it
[08:20] <surgy> what does "sudo apt-get autoremove" do?
[08:21] <flaccid> surgy: man apt-get
[08:21] <Calilasseia> I understand that it's a good idea to check the filesystem regularly, but when i tried running fsck it spat a message at me ....
[08:21] <flaccid> aww thats no good
[08:21] <Calilasseia> It said "WARNING - performing fsck on a mounted filesystem can cause SEVERE damage!"
[08:21] <surgy> flaccid: ok ill look it up
[08:22] <flaccid> Calilasseia: then unmount it to check
[08:22] <flaccid> or in the last column in fstab set to 1
[08:22] <Calilasseia> Trouble is, the filesystem HAS to be mounted surely, otherwise the fsck command can't be accessed?
[08:22] <flaccid> so its down before mount on boot
[08:23] <Tox> anything about my question ?
[08:23] <Calilasseia> I would have thought it was a bit difficult to  run any command with the root filesystem unmounted ...
[08:23] <Calilasseia> So needless to say when that warning flashed I aborted the fsck  to be safe ....
[08:23] <flaccid> Tox: netstat -a | grep -i tcp
[08:24] <Calilasseia> Which leaves me a little puzzled as to how to go about it ...
[08:24] <flaccid> Calilasseia: like i said fstab
[08:24] <Tox> tnx alot
[08:24] <Calilasseia> OK ... you mean I edit fstab, then what happens?
[08:25] <flaccid> [2007-01-27 18:22]  <flaccid> so its done before mount on boot
[08:25] <Calilasseia> Oh, so I edit fstab, set the pass column value for the root filesystem to 1, then reboot?
[08:25] <flaccid> yeah it will check on each boot
[08:26] <Calilasseia> Oh ... it checks automatically every boot if that value is 1?
[08:26] <Tox> flaccid: you did not understand me i need to know what application exactly uses internet traffic as i know there is a command in konsole to find this out
[08:26] <flaccid> Tox:  application exactly uses internet traffic??
[08:27] <Tox> yes
[08:27] <flaccid> wouldn't that be any application that makes a tcp connection?
[08:27] <flaccid> if you are looking for a bandwidth meter which shows on a per process basis. it doesn't exist.
[08:28] <Calilasseia> So if setting the pass value to 1 makes the kernel perform a fsck on the root filesystem on every boot ....
[08:28] <Tox> i.e firefox or xchat i need to view it in konsole some program is using tcp connection  and i can't find out which ..
[08:28] <flaccid> yes Calilasseia
[08:29] <Calilasseia> ...how do I achieve the same end result with the other parts of the filesystem on other partitions? Or do I just unmount them manually and fsck them that way?
[08:29] <flaccid> Tox: i've given you the command. go from there
[08:29] <Tox> its only shows basic info about connections
[08:29] <flaccid> what were you expecting?
[08:30] <Tox> ok flac ill find this by myself and show it exist u lamer
[08:30] <flaccid> show what exactly
[08:30] <Tox> a command
[08:30] <Calilasseia> LOL
[08:30] <flaccid> a command hey
[08:31] <flaccid> a command could be a binary made by anybody.
[08:31] <Tox> you said there are not such kind of cmd ..
[08:31] <Calilasseia> Oh, I checked the Man pages for fsck and it mentions something about serialising fsck ... and suggests that it's a good thing to do if you're trynig to conserve CPU and memory usage ....
[08:32] <Calilasseia> Does it do this automatically on bootup once the pass value is set correctly?
[08:32] <flaccid> no idea
[08:33] <Calilasseia> Hmm ...
[08:33] <flaccid> Tox: there isn't. but that doesn't stop somebody from making it and not being included in kubuntu.
[08:33] <flaccid> basically pass to 1 is suffice to get your disk fixed if unmounted correcty. eg. power failure
[08:34] <monsterb_> Flying_Eagle, I found it in "/.kde/share/config/medianotifierrc"  I removed line "media/removable_unmounted=#Service:/usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/digikam_upload_photos.desktop" It worked.
[08:34] <Calilasseia> Right ... but that value applies only to the root filesystem if youhave your OS mounted on multiple partitions ... ???
[08:34] <Tox> few days ago i read about this in web page i cant remember
[08:35] <Flying_Eagle> monsterb_, k, but there _is_ a gui
[08:35] <Tox> searching in firefox history at the moment
[08:35] <flaccid> Calilasseia: it applies to the entry in fstab that its listed for.
[08:35] <flaccid> tox np
[08:36] <monsterb_> Flying_Eagle, I looked all over for it. Are u using gnome or kde?
[08:36] <Flying_Eagle> kde
[08:36] <Flying_Eagle> we are in #kubuntu
[08:36] <Calilasseia> Only the Man pages seem to imply that I could set other nonzero pass values for the other partitions ...
[08:36] <Calilasseia> ... and that fsck would be applied serially in order in that case ....
[08:37] <Calilasseia> ... which makes sense after what you told me about it doing so during boot time ....
[08:37] <flaccid> Calilasseia: i can't remember to be honest. but 1 will flag for check, isn't that suffice?
[08:37] <monsterb_> Flying_Eagle, thought i would ask - i have nothing like that in system settings... thanks for the help though
[08:37] <Calilasseia> It'll do for the root partition sure ....
[08:37] <Flying_Eagle> np
[08:38] <flaccid> it'll do it for any
[08:38] <flaccid> i set it to 1 for my ext2 and fat partitions in freebsd
[08:38] <flaccid> those two are not roor partitions..
[08:38] <flaccid> root
[08:38] <Calilasseia> Hmm ....
[08:39] <Tox> flac try this u jerk .... lsof -i
[08:39] <flaccid> Tox: i don't have that command
[08:40] <Tox> yes u r
[08:40] <flaccid> i am what?
[08:40] <KorN[CM] > anyone here familiar with dmraid?
[08:40] <Tox> it comes with my ubuntu
[08:40] <KorN[CM] > im having REAL troubles
[08:41] <flaccid> Tox: ok i logged onto a system that does have that command. what is your point?
[08:43] <flaccid> is there a field it gives that netstat doesn't ?
[08:44] <surgy> i have a program i want to compile that says it requires VC6++ is there a workaround for compiling that on kubuntu?
[08:45] <monsterb_> !dmraid
[08:45] <ubotu> dmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB
[08:45] <Tox> !lsof
[08:45] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:45] <Tox> !lsof
[08:45] <surgy> tox: was that aimed at me?
[08:46] <Tox> nop
[08:46] <flaccid> yeah its much of a muchnes, Tox. lsof is not a common unix binary/command.
[08:47] <Tox> yes i know it now sorry
[08:47] <flaccid> sorry but i'm not saying you don't use it
[08:47] <flaccid> use it!
[08:47] <Tox> but its very good tool
[08:47] <flaccid> its better than netstat right?
[08:47] <Tox> much
[08:47] <Tox> in some case
[08:48] <flaccid> well i'll start to use it. just that it won't be on other *nix systems
[08:48] <Tox> it depends on your needs
[08:48] <flaccid> you'll find that netstat with the right params does the same thing
[08:48] <Tox> no it doesn't
[08:48] <flaccid> what its missing?
[08:48] <Tox> http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.3/lsof-12/lsof/00QUICKSTART
[08:49] <KorN[CM] > what is a distro that has the best RAID support (feisty???)
[08:49] <Tox> as i said i cud not find an application uses tcp
[08:49] <flaccid> huh
[08:49] <Tox> can u write again that cmd
[08:49] <flaccid> um
[08:49] <flaccid> you just grep it
[08:49] <Tox> k
[08:49] <flaccid> netstat -a | grep -i tcp
[08:49] <flaccid> that shows all tcp connections
[08:50] <flaccid> netstat -a | grep -i tcp | grep -i established
[08:50] <flaccid> all established tcp connections ^ etc.
[08:50] <flaccid> plus many cli options
[08:53] <Tox> flac how to disable file sharing ?
[08:54] <Tox> i mean at all
[08:56] <monsterb_> Tox, systems tools> sharing
[08:57] <Tox> i've installed protocols as i understand and it's listening now i want get rid of this
[08:59] <Calilasseia> Having done some surfing on fsck I've found out a few more things ... time to say adios and go study :)
[08:59] <Calilasseia> bye ....
[08:59] <flaccid> Tox: which protocol
[08:59] <Tox> microsoft ds
[09:00] <flaccid> disable samba (smbd)
[09:00] <flaccid> ie. windows sharing
[09:00] <Tox> where ishoul do it
[09:00] <flaccid> ah from memory there is gui
[09:00] <mustang_> #kentucky-flirts
[09:01] <flaccid> um is there service manager in system settings or someting? someone help me out hehe
[09:01] <Tox> k
[09:02] <flaccid> like i'm finding it hard to remember coz i'm on freebsd atm
[09:02] <flaccid> have to install kubuntu on spare space
[09:02] <surgy> flaccid: have you ever tried to compile a source that requires VC6 libraries?
[09:03] <flaccid> sorry can't say that i have
[09:03] <flaccid> you you got the meta package build-essential installed?
[09:03] <surgy> dam, im trying to compile a program that requires VC6 or VC.net to compile
[09:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i'm ready to cry.
[09:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i cannot figure out why i can connect wirelessly, and the other machine can't
[09:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> when they use the same cards
[09:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i think...
[09:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> mine was automatically discovered as ra0
[09:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> the other is seen as wlan0 and (oddly) wmaster0
[09:06] <pgdown> so, are the kubuntu repos going to have kde 356?
[09:07] <Jucato> pgdown: there already is
[09:07] <|Daisuke_Ido|> already there
[09:07] <Jucato> for edgy only, though. no dapper
[09:07] <pgdown> ahh should have looked at the main page
[09:07] <pgdown> thanks
[09:09] <eisenbergs> Firefox and a lot of other programs wont load up.. any idea how to fix this?
[09:11] <elyon> Could someone please tell me how to copy a group of directories from a CD to my HD?
[09:11] <elyon> I need to do it as root so using Konq wont work.
[09:12] <tibbar__> can somone please help me to install nvidia drivers on dapper 64
[09:12] <elyon> !nvidia | tibbar__
[09:12] <ubotu> tibbar__: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:13] <deyan> i am getting an error like "sound server fatal error. cpu overloaded". any ideas?
[09:15] <swami> hi
[09:15] <pgdown> elyon: open up a terminal in your cd drive directory and sudo cp -r name-of-folder /home/elyon
[09:15] <swami> anyone knows why i have no sound onmozzila brouser
[09:15] <swami> i entered on a youtube clip..
[09:15] <swami> and i have no sound
[09:15] <swami> any explanainations?
[09:16] <pgdown> update your flash plugin
[09:16] <swami> hmm....
[09:16] <swami> i think it;s up to date
[09:16] <monsterb_>  !nvidia | tibbar__
[09:16] <ubotu> tibbar__: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:17] <swami> the pack manager should manage that update
[09:17] <pgdown> swami: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[09:17] <pgdown> get the tarball
[09:17] <pgdown> swami: not in the repos
[09:17] <Jucato> !flash9
[09:17] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:18] <pgdown> ok nevermind
[09:18] <tibbar_> monsterb_: is does not wokr
[09:18] <tibbar_> work
[09:20] <monsterb_> tibbar_ did you follow all the instructions?
[09:22] <tibbar_> monsterb_: yes, the only thing im not sure of is, they tell me to install amd-64-generic drivers, but my brother says I must install k8
[09:22] <musya> does anybody know of a goo player for kubuntu for audio or video or possibly for both? the standard ones with kubuntu kind of suck
[09:22] <musya> good*
[09:23] <monsterb_> tibbar_ if your using amd64 distro use amd-64-gen; if a i386 use k8.
[09:24] <WMCoolmon> Hey, I just installed Kubuntu 6.10 and am trying to get my primary monitor working with the nvidia drivers
[09:24] <WMCoolmon> Anyone qualified to help? :)
[09:25] <tibbar_> monsterb_: what is i386, im using amd64 dapper
[09:26] <ForgeAus> how do I create a link to a directory in konqueror
[09:27] <tibbar_> monsterb_: they also tell me to change nv to nvidia, but then my xserver does not start
[09:27] <monsterb_> tibbar_ ok - u need amd64 drivers
[09:29] <monsterb_> tibbar_ - restart server with 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' and type 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:30] <monsterb_> tibbar_ CTRL-ALT-Backspace to restart x-server
[09:30] <tibbar_> monsterb_: last time I did this it just got stuck on the startup screen
[09:31] <tibbar_> monsterb_: must I choose nv or nvidia?
[09:31] <monsterb_> tibbar_ nvidia
[09:32] <monsterb_> tibbar_ if it doesn't work type-   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:35] <monsterb_> tibbar, did it work?
[09:35] <tibbar> monsterb_: well it looks fine but how do I know if it really works
[09:36] <monsterb_> tibbar, did you see Nvidia splash screen before login?
[09:38] <tibbar_> monsterb_: I think its working, cause I can set my resolution
[09:38] <tibbar_> monsterb_: to 1240x1024
[09:39] <tibbar_> monsterb_: if I type glxgears "
[09:39] <tibbar_> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:39] <tibbar_> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[09:39] <monsterb_> tibbar_ it's working ;)    try an opengl screensaver
[09:40] <snowrichard> hi
[09:42] <monsterb_> hi snowrichard
[09:46] <tibbar_> monsterb_: if I set my driver to nvidia it does not work and if it set it to nv it works a bit
[09:51] <jonjonj> has anyone tried to get dlink wireless usb devices to work?
[09:52] <jackson> Typing this line....  gksu "update-manager -c"  ... doesnt seem to do anything in regards to upgrading kubuntu dapper...where have i gone wrong?..thx
[09:53] <Tim_4117> Hello, why doesnt Wine work any good?
[09:54] <musya> Tim_4117: why doesnt my cpu work fast?
[09:54] <snowrichard> why is the sky black?
[09:54] <tibbar_> its not
[09:55] <musya> snowrichard: yea that was a bit off of the sarcasim....
[09:55] <jonjonj> It's a light lavender purpple
[09:56] <Tim_4117> ?
[09:56] <musya> technically the sky isnt a color its just dark....
[09:56] <Tim_4117> I thought it was clear...
[09:56] <jonjonj> the sky has a color like water has color
[09:56] <musya> Tim_4117: if you have a question try asking it more precisly not so general. whats your problem
[09:56] <Tim_4117> but when the particles come together it becomes blue or something
[09:57] <musya> well it depends where you are at.
[09:57] <Tim_4117> Why doesnt my wine work?
[09:57] <musya> the sky here is dark, because its 1 am
[09:57] <jonjonj> because you bought it at a liquor store
[09:57] <Tim_4117> WINE as in the windows emulator thing
[09:57] <musya> try costco
[09:57] <jonjonj> I know, it's late and I'm a little loopy
[09:57] <jonjonj> I've been trying to get Beryl to run
[09:58] <jonjonj> or my wireless
[09:58] <musya> Tim_4117: does it come with a help?
[09:58] <Tim_4117> When I run things like mIRC and x-chat they dont run
[09:58] <musya> or instructions
[09:58] <Tim_4117> I cnat read them in linux...
[09:58] <Tim_4117> cant*
[09:59] <jonjonj> pardon?
[09:59] <musya> not all things will work with wine, check out its website people have posted tutorials on how to get programs to run, as far as that use kopete its just as good, no sence in running wine just for that.
[09:59] <musya> ? thats not possible to not be able to read something in linux
[10:00] <jonjonj> oh believe my musya, it's possible
[10:00] <jonjonj> look how screwed up firefox's fonts were for KDE users
[10:00] <jonjonj> took them over a year to find some reasonable solution to that
[10:01] <snowrichard> making coffee brb
[10:01] <musya> jonjonj: i didnt see that, i think he was talking about a help wich should read almost anywhere unless its a windows thing
[10:02] <musya> does anyone here use kdevelop?
[10:02] <Tim_4117> I have it but not use it, lol
[10:03] <musya> that channel never responds
[10:03] <musya> Tim_4117: do you know how to use it?
[10:03] <monsterb_> tibbar_ did u install glx?
[10:03] <Tim_4117> Not really
[10:04] <lupine_85> musya: I've used it a bit
[10:05] <musya> lupine_85: well here is what my problem is ill just copy and paste the same question over
[10:05] <musya> i have a program that has 3 files, a main.cpp, another source file, and a header file, and my main .cpp cannot fine my source file, but they are in the same directory, but the same code i visuall C++ runs perfect, so its not finding my other source file, what can i do to fix that?
[10:05] <Goliath23> hi
[10:05] <lupine_85> have you added the other source file to the project?
[10:06] <musya> its in the same directory
[10:06] <tibbar_> monsterb_: yes
[10:06] <musya> i dont need a #include do i ?
[10:06] <Tim_4117> Does anyone know how to use Python?
[10:06] <lupine_85> no, it needs adding to the project
[10:06] <musya> i dont in visuall c++
[10:06] <Goliath23> where can I read the changelog of the linux kernel package from 2.6.15-26 to 2.6.15-27? and is there an alternate install cd (text install with possibility to setup a raid) that uses the latter kernel version?
[10:06] <lupine_85> did you create the source in visual c++ ?
[10:06] <musya> Tim_4117: i do a bit whats up?
[10:06] <musya> no kdevelop
[10:07] <monsterb_> tibbar_ did you type   -    sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:07] <musya> just i had to run it in v C++ it was h.w so i had to get my .exe but none of my programs work in kdevelop like that
[10:07] <lupine_85> hmm. well, it'll be the autotools stuff. If it's not in the project, automake won't set it up for compilation, so it won't get linked into your project
[10:07] <tibbar_> monsterb_: yes
[10:07] <lupine_85> give it a try, at least
[10:07] <tibbar_> monsterb_: ,but I chose nv, because nvidia does not work
[10:08] <musya>  your saying #include it?
[10:08] <monsterb_> tibbar_ what kind of nvidia card is it?
[10:08] <musya> because i think it gets stuck at linking...
[10:08] <lupine_85> no, I'm saying add the .cpp file in project options
[10:08] <tibbar_> monsterb_: 7600gt turbo, its not a legasy card
[10:08] <lupine_85> (at least, I think it'll be project options)
[10:09] <lupine_85> automake isn't compiling your .cpp because it's not in the makefile. It's not in the makefile because kdevelop doesn't know about it.
[10:10] <musya> well im not in a project
[10:11] <musya> i did a #include other source and now its saying it cannot find my header nor my source file...
[10:11] <lupine_85> if you're not in a project, you'll have to write your own makefile
[10:11] <musya> any tuts on that?
[10:11] <lupine_85> I don't think you want to do that; so create a new project and add the source files to it
[10:11] <lupine_85> otherwise, google for automake
[10:12] <lupine_85> it's not fun :(
[10:12] <musya> which directory do i add the source files to there? i dont understand the kdevelop projects, they have so many files there
[10:12] <monsterb_> tibbar_ when you type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"   are you still in x-server? you should be out of x.
[10:12] <lupine_85> src/
[10:12] <kosta> !de
[10:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:13] <musya> lupine_85: i create a win32 hello world project right? for just console program?
[10:14] <tibbar_> monsterb_: ok i'll go out quick
[10:14] <monsterb_> tibbar_
[10:17] <musya> lupine_85:  this is the error i get
[10:17] <musya> /home/michael/Desktop/test project/test/configure: line 876: test: /home/michael/Desktop/test: binary operator expected
[10:17] <musya> /home/michael/Desktop/test project/test/configure: line 882: test: /home/michael/Desktop/test: binary operator expected
[10:17] <musya> configure: error: sources are in /home/michael/Desktop/test project/test, but `cd /home/michael/Desktop/test project/test' does not work
[10:18] <_spaz> hello again
[10:19] <_spaz> how do i tell what version of kubuntu is installed?
[10:19] <sparr> for nvidia drivers under kubuntu...  is there a better way than using nvidia's installer?
[10:22] <_spaz> anyone?
[10:23] <monsterb_> !nvidia | sparr
[10:23] <ubotu> sparr: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:24] <WMCoolmon> Does anyone know how to specify the primary desktop to KDE when using twinview?
[10:24] <monsterb_> tibbar_ good news?
[10:24] <_spaz> nm
[10:24] <sparr> monsterb_: anything more up to date?
[10:24] <tibbar> monsterb_: nope it does not work if I set it to nvidia
[10:27] <monsterb_> sparr did you try drivers from nvidia?
[10:27] <sparr> monsterb_: im going to, if i have to, but then if/when i use the packages it all gets ugly
[10:28] <monsterb_> sparr - install nvidia-kernel mod from repo before installing
[10:28] <sparr> too old
[10:30] <monsterb_> sparr - install nvidia-kernel-common from repo before installing drivers from nvidia site.
[10:34] <lupine_85> !nvidiabeta
[10:34] <ubotu> For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[10:36] <monsterb_> sparr, if your installing driver from nvidia site ... nvidia-kernel-common should be the only nvidia package selected .. others should be unmarked
[10:38] <sparr> thanks
[10:40] <monsterb_> sparr, also need linux-image kernel and gcc compiler. your welcome
[10:41] <sparr> i think i can live with the old packaged version for now
[10:44] <monsterb_> tibbar are u using dapper?
[10:44] <tibbar> monsterb_: yes dapper64
[10:45] <monsterb_> tibbar did you enable glx?         sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:45] <tibbar> monsterb_: yes, im downloading the beta drivers from www.nvidia.com
[10:45] <tibbar> monsterb_: I think that should work
[10:46] <monsterb_> tibbar good luck
[10:46] <tibbar> ok
[10:48] <pingveno> Current weather for Cairns Airport :  Showers Rain, Few clouds at 457 meters, Temperature: 26C, Pressure: 1007 hPa, Wind: 11 km/h WNW
[10:48] <monsterb_> tibbar, you will need nvidia-kernel-common(only nvidia package installed), linux-image kernel,  and gcc compiler.
[10:49] <ghjk> Hi there, I have a question about formatting a HD!
[10:49] <ghjk> is any way to have a previously ext3 formatted HD cleaned the GRUB installation?
[10:50] <ghjk> I mean to have a HD like you get it when you buy a new one?
[10:51] <tibbar> monsterb_: ok
[10:51] <ghjk> are any tools who clean everything from the HD?
[10:51] <Blissex> ghjk: yes.
[10:52] <ghjk> Blissex: any tips where to look for that.
[10:52] <ghjk> Blissex:
[10:52] <ghjk> I actually did a reformat
[10:52] <ghjk> and created a new partition
[10:52] <Blissex> ghjk: depends what you mean by that. Just clean the GRUB boot loader or the whole contents?
[10:52] <ghjk> actually everything
[10:53] <ghjk> because GRUB doesn't get cleaned up
[10:53] <Blissex> ghjk: you can just do 'dd bs=16k if=/dev/zero of=/dev/....'
[10:54] <monsterb_> Blissex, would that clean just clean the MBR ?
[10:54] <ghjk> dd is converting and copying a file!
[10:54] <Blissex> monsterb_: no, if you let it run it will zero the whole disk.
[10:55] <Blissex> monsterb_: for just the MBR: 'dd bs=512 count=1 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/....'
[10:55] <ghjk> I see
[10:55] <monsterb_> ghjk, will this be a secondary drive?
[10:56] <ghjk> nop
[10:56] <ghjk> it will become the primary
[10:56] <monsterb_> ghjk it's easier just to rewrite it ;)
[10:57] <ghjk> what do you mean by 'rewriting'?
[10:57] <ghjk> I want to boot from that drive a new KUBUNTU installation
[10:57] <monsterb_> ghjk install lilo or grub - it will rewrite the old boot loader
[10:58] <ghjk> but I don't want to have any boot loader in the first place
[10:58] <ghjk> it will be created one afterwards
[10:58] <monsterb_> ghjk you have to have a boot loader
[10:59] <Phlosten> you could have a boot loader on a floppy disk
[10:59] <ghjk> but, when you buy a brand new one, doesn't have any!
[10:59] <ghjk> it will be created afterwards
[10:59] <Tim_4117> My Adept wont work could someone help please?
[10:59] <ghjk> Tim_4117: mine neither
[10:59] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | tim_4117
[10:59] <ubotu> tim_4117: If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[10:59] <ghjk> Tim_4117: try apt-get
[11:00] <Tim_4117> It never crashed it wont let me apply changes and install / remove anything
[11:00] <monsterb_> ghjk - MBR is empty when new - but you need somekind of boot loader - when you install kubuntu it will write a new one
[11:00] <DocTomoe> what is the easiest way to copy an image into another image? I need an IP-Based country flag in a gd-created graphics
[11:01] <DocTomoe> sorry, wrong channel
[11:01] <ghjk> monsterb:
[11:01] <Phlosten> heh
[11:01] <ghjk>  that's correct! And inded I just want to be at that stage
[11:02] <ghjk> monsterb: meaning having a clean HD and starting a brand new kububtu installation
[11:02] <Phlosten> so you want a computer that doesnt boot anything?
[11:02] <ghjk> Phlosten
[11:02] <ghjk> No
[11:02] <ghjk> just to be ready to get booted
[11:02] <Phlosten> you just want to start from fresh?
[11:02] <ghjk> yep
[11:02] <ghjk> from scratch
[11:02] <Phlosten> ah okies, that makes a bit more sense
[11:03] <ghjk> as you go to a shop and buy brand new stuff
[11:03] <Phlosten> would something like DBAN trash the mbr?
[11:03] <ghjk> what's this DBAN?
[11:03] <Tim_4117> Thanks Ubotu
[11:03] <Phlosten> Darek's Boot And Nuke
[11:03] <ghjk> but I'll try the "dd" slution
[11:04] <ghjk> I see
[11:04] <Tim_4117> ubotu: thanks
[11:04] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[11:04] <ghjk> I'll have a look to that too
[11:04] <Phlosten> boot the CD to wipe you hard drive, writing over everything with random bits is the normal option. but it can also just zero out everything
[11:04] <Tim_4117> ubotu can you script bots in Python?
[11:04] <ghjk> thanks guys for your valuable help
[11:05] <monsterb_> ghjk - gparted livecd is nice for formatting drives too
[11:07] <Tim_4117> How can I install items in Adept now?
[11:10] <lamarieta> Hola
[11:10] <lamarieta> En mi Edgy Eft Openoffice 2.0
[11:10] <lamarieta> est en eingle.
[11:11] <lamarieta> Se peude pasarla a espaol o tengoq ue desinstalar y volver a bajarlo en castellano?
[11:12] <Phlosten> lamarieta: #ubuntu-es ?
[11:12] <Tm_T> !es
[11:12] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:27] <arne> i need assistance installing my built in i
[11:27] <arne> i need assistance installing my built in wifi card bcm4310
[11:31] <Tim_4117> what does "There was an error commiting change. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages" can some one please help.
[11:39] <abstruck> hi, I'm trying to configure my printer using cups... it's a samsung ML-2010. Now it works quite good, the only thing that still not works is printing front to back... ideas?
[11:41] <DettoAltrimenti> hi- I'm trying to get my wireless internet to work on kubuntu. On windows, I had to create a network connection (PPPoE WAN miniport) in the control panel, so I could type in a user name and password. How can I do the same thing on kubuntu?
[11:41] <arne> hi i've installed drivers for my bcm4310 wifi card, but i can't see it in network settings help please
[11:52] <jonas_p> Hallo, since updating to KDE 3.5.6 Konqueror scrolls to the top of a page before switching to another site whenever i click on a link. Can this behavior be reproduced by anyone?
[11:52] <Tm_T> Doesn't happen here.
[11:53] <jonas_p> It does not happen if the site loads fast.
[11:55] <Goliath23> is it usual to include the swap partition in raid1?
[11:55] <goh> Does anybody know how to setup video card BTV2115?
[11:55] <Tm_T> jonas_p: Fast? How fast?
[11:57] <Skrot-> jonas_p: It happends here as well. I'm located at site1, with the scrollbar at the middle. I click link1, scrollbar goes to top of site1 before it loads site2
[11:57] <Tm_T> Skrot-: But it does start loading new page?
[11:57] <Skrot-> yes
[11:57] <jonas_p> Yes
[11:58] <Skrot-> And if i go back, the scrollbar is in the same position as before I clicked the link
[11:58] <Tm_T> Sure it is.
[11:58] <Skrot-> So whats the problem, jonas_p?
[11:58] <sergo_> Hi
[11:59] <Tm_T> I think it's just slow rendering, so "old" page is still seen before new page is drawed.
[11:59] <voicu> does gcc have a flag it sets so that you can create a more portable source (something like "#ifdef _is_gcc")
[11:59] <jonas_p> Thats okay, but konqueror should wait until the new page is loaded before scrolling up
[12:00] <sergo_> How to do kubuntu network installation?
[12:00] <jonas_p> I did not see this behavior with KDE 3.5.5, but I am not 100% sure.
[12:00] <Skrot-> If it's new to 3.5.6 you should file a bug report
[12:00] <kraut> moin
[12:01] <Tm_T> jonas_p: Well, I fail to reproduce that, and I also fail to see this as any kind of problem, but I won't stop you if you do file a bugreport.
[12:01] <Skrot-> Tm_T: It does create some "visual noise"
[12:01] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Well, can't comment '
[12:01] <Tm_T> cause can't see.
[12:01] <Skrot-> When you're on a webpage, and click a link, you want it to go directly from what you see now, to the new site
[12:01] <jonas_p> Is there an easy way to record your screen?
[12:01] <voicu> or what would be the flag for linux?
[12:01] <Tm_T> So do file a report and we'll see how it goes.
[12:02] <voicu> in c++
[12:02] <jonas_p> Then I could attach a link to a film in the bugreport.
[12:03] <Skrot-> http://recordmydesktop.sourceforge.net/
[12:07] <tim__> hello how can i find server listings for the undernet ?
[12:07] <Skrot-> I've got it recorded, jonas_p
[12:07] <jonas_p> ah thanks
[12:07] <Skrot-> 4.3MB.. wow, sweet program
[12:08] <Skrot-> I'm uploading the vid now
[12:08] <jonas_p> Can you file the bugreport? I've never done it before. And at the moment I do not have time figuring out everything?
[12:09] <Skrot-> http://folk.ntnu.no/~romnes/out.ogg the vid. Check if thats the same problem you've got
[12:09] <jonas_p> Okay, one second.
[12:10] <naser> i want software to ;view RAM and CPU status in the desktop in nice way
[12:10] <Skrot-> You can check it out also, Tm_T. See if its not reproducable in 3.5.5
[12:11] <jonas_p> That is the same problem i have. Thank you for recording.
[12:11] <Skrot-> np
[12:11] <naser> i want software to ;view RAM and CPU status in the desktop in nice way
[12:11] <Skrot-> Better quality on the vid than I expected :)
[12:14] <Skrot-> jonas_p: I can file the bug if Tm_T or somebody  with KDE 3.5.5 cannot reproduce
[12:15] <naser> i want to download qt 3.3 how ??
[12:21] <eetu> '
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[12:21] <eetu> 
[12:21] <eetu> 
[12:21] <eetu> ''
[12:21] <eetu> ''
[12:21] <eetu> ''
[12:21] <eetu> '
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[12:21] <eetu> '
[12:21] <eetu> sdfghjk
[12:22] <Tm_T> eetu: Stop that.
[12:22] <jion> hello, Somebody can help me with a newbye anjuta problem? he
[12:23] <Tm_T> Actually...
[12:23] <eetu> Tm_T: I am sorry
[12:23] <Tm_T> op #kubuntu
[12:23] <naser> i have *.c file (c programming language) and want to Run it how ???
[12:23] <Tm_T> Whops.
[12:23] <Tm_T> eetu: No you're not.
[12:24] <Tm_T> eetu: As locals use to say: "mee kotiis kasvamaan" ;(
[12:24] <Tm_T> naser: You use KDE?
[12:24] <jion> I not found the linker options in the option menui
[12:25] <Tm_T> jion: Have you searched help.ubuntu.com/community already?
[12:25] <naser> Tm_T: yes
[12:26] <Tm_T> naser: Well, then you already have Qt 3
[12:26] <sebbar> hi, who's in charge of the translation of kde packages for kubuntu?
[12:26] <jion> Sorry, Im new in linux, I search in google but I not found nothing:S
[12:26] <naser> and have *.h files in /usr/include
[12:26] <blindside> how to get cpu info in kubuntu?
[12:26] <blindside> thru console
[12:26] <blindside> any simple console command/
[12:27] <jion> yes
[12:27] <naser> Tm_T i dont know how to run Qt3 !!
[12:27] <Tm_T> blindside: top, but it's much more than only cpu ;)
[12:27] <Tm_T> naser: You need Qt3 for what?
[12:27] <stdin> blindside: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:27] <Tm_T> stdin: That too.
[12:27] <stdin> :)
[12:28] <Tm_T> naser: Just for your information, Qt is not a program itself, but more like technology that KDE uses.
[12:28] <blindside> thx
[12:29] <jion> 
[12:29] <jion> Supposedly in the menu options would have to be the options of linker. but it is not thus
[12:29] <Skrot-> jonas_p, Tm_T: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139605 :)
[12:30] <julien> Bonjour tout le monde
[12:30] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Ok, let me see...
[12:30] <naser> Tm_T: ok but now how to make the c file run ??
[12:30] <Skrot-> Tm_T: There was already a bug for it
[12:30] <Tm_T> naser: You need to compile it. ;)
[12:31] <jonas_p> ah, great Skrot-. I searched kde-bugs but I did not find anything.
[12:33] <naser> Tm_T: how to compile it (/home/naser/Desktop/hello.c)
[12:33] <naser> ??
[12:33] <jion> Sorry, Somebody help me? I think that is a stupid problem... I not have the "Compiler and linker options" in the Settings menu...
[12:33] <Tm_T> naser: Hmmm...
[12:33] <Tm_T> !compiling
[12:33] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:33] <Tm_T> D'oh, not that.
[12:34] <Tm_T> naser: Can't remember where was good beginners guide, try google it. ;)
[12:34] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Ok, that looks nasty indeed, I wonder how you make that happen.
[12:35] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Throw me with one url?
[12:35] <jonas_p> Try WIkipedia
[12:35] <Skrot-> Tm_T: Im currently on wlan, so my net is a little slow, maybe you wont notice if you're on a faster line
[12:35] <Skrot-> I tried digg.com and hw.no (norwegian)
[12:36] <jonas_p> i.e. the problem is non existent on cached websites
[12:36] <maxn> hey ho
[12:36] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Well, I have quite slow adsl, but I can try with gprs too. ;)
[12:36] <maxn> do you know what you are going to eat for lunch? x)
[12:37] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Ok, that page did that, weird.
[12:38] <Skrot-> I can reproduce it on wikipedia and (very fast) on kubuntu.org also
[12:39] <ravermeister> hello since a few days my source  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main didn't work anymore
[12:39] <ravermeister> i only find sources for edgy
[12:40] <_jmsi> alguien espaol?
[12:40] <ravermeister> does anyone know a source for dapper for the latest kde / amarok
[12:41] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Ok, let me see if I remember my bugzilla magicwords...
[12:41] <stdin> !es | _jmsi
[12:41] <ubotu> _jmsi: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[12:42] <ravermeister> nobody?
[12:43] <stdin> ravermeister: try "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/ dapper main" for kde and "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-143/ dapper main" for amarok
[12:44] <stdin> ravermeister: those are the latest versions available for dapper
[12:45] <sirbobbyuk> i think i have come across a major problem with the 64bit version of Ubuntu
[12:45] <stdin> what is it ?
[12:46] <sirbobbyuk> well tried to install it onto my pc witch has a dual core processor
[12:47] <sirbobbyuk> get the front screen bit where its states that it loading up, but when it comes to loading the drivers it stops
[12:47] <sirbobbyuk> dead in its track
[12:47] <stdin> which version it it?
[12:47] <ravermeister> okay, but why does the kde-latest know just work for edgy?
[12:47] <sirbobbyuk> tried to load the CD up reinstall it but it does nothing
[12:48] <sirbobbyuk> version 6.06 is the cd
[12:48] <stdin> ravermeister: because the latest kde is 3.5.6, which is only available for edgy now
[12:48] <stdin> sirbobbyuk: have you tried the alternate cd ?
[12:49] <ravermeister> oh okay
[12:49] <sirbobbyuk> what alternate cd?
[12:49] <stdin> !alternate
[12:49] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[12:49] <ravermeister> does there exists deb-src for amarok and kde too?
[12:49] <mauro> stdin: why si the latest KDE only available for edgy ?
[12:50] <stdin> ravermeister: yeah, there should be a deb-src for them all
[12:50] <ravermeister> thx
[12:50] <ravermeister> read mauro :)
[12:50] <sirbobbyuk> ok i will have a look and see what that does. i have Kubuntu installed ok on this laptop that working ok.
[12:50] <stdin> mauro: because it depends on things that aren't available for dapper
[12:51] <Tm_T> Skrot-: Sorry 'bout the spam. ;/
[12:51] <stdin> sirbobbyuk: I know that others with dual core cpus have been able to install it
[12:52] <Skrot-> Tm_T: Spam? :)
[12:52] <sirbobbyuk> ok i will have another go and see what happens
[12:52] <ravermeister> hmm i got these error messages after updating my sources:
[12:52] <Tm_T> Skrot-: You'll see, or lucky if not. ;)
[12:52] <Skrot-> hehe
[12:52] <ravermeister> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2: Konnte Datei /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/kubuntu.org_packages_kde-355_dists_dapper_main_binary-i386_Packages nicht ffnen - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:52] <ravermeister> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-355/dists/dapper/main/source/Sources.bz2: Konnte Datei /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/kubuntu.org_packages_kde-355_dists_dapper_main_source_Sources nicht ffnen - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:53] <kokoa> i want to add LAMP to my pc and want to control in this lamp how ??
[12:53] <stdin> ravermeister: can you run this in konsole and past it to pastebin "LANG=C sudo apt-get update"
[12:53] <ravermeister> sure
[12:54] <stdin> !lamp
[12:54] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[12:56] <ravermeister> strange now it works fine... :)
[12:56] <stdin> ravermeister: heh, well as long as it works :P
[12:59] <ravermeister> right
[12:59] <ravermeister> another question
[12:59] <ravermeister> when i choose reinstall in synaptic
[12:59] <ravermeister> doe it overrides the config files?
[12:59] <stdin> not normally
[01:00] <stdin> if it want to, it will ask if you want it to anyway
[01:00] <ravermeister> how do i say him to overwrite the config files, cause i have got problems with the login
[01:00] <ravermeister> and i want to try to reinstall kdm
[01:01] <stdin> you could try removing (or better to backup) the config file and then reinstalling
[01:01] <stdin> or you can purge the package, then reinstall it
[01:01] <ravermeister> okay thats a good idea
[01:01] <ravermeister> maybe you know the problem...
[01:01] <ravermeister> i will explain
[01:02] <ravermeister> i updated kde from 3.5.4 to 3.5.5 with the kde-latest sources via synaptic
[01:02] <ravermeister> and know when i try to login after the boot process
[01:02] <ravermeister> kdm disappears, i see the background wallpaper and nothing happens
[01:02] <ravermeister> i have to restart xserver
[01:03] <ravermeister> and login again
[01:03] <ravermeister> then kde appears
[01:03] <ravermeister> when i change to the console
[01:03] <ravermeister> after the first login try
[01:03] <ravermeister> and type who
[01:03] <ravermeister> i am logged in graphically
[01:03] <ravermeister> in /var/log/messages i can't find anything
[01:04] <ravermeister> i don't know what i can do
[01:04] <stdin> I've not see that problem before
[01:04] <stdin> not sure it's a KDM problem tho
[01:04] <stdin> KDM seems to log you in, but KDE isn't starting right
[01:04] <ravermeister> right
[01:05] <ravermeister> until i restart the xserver and login again
[01:05] <stdin> have you checked /var/log/kdm.log ?
[01:07] <stdin> if you don't see anything wrong, try purging KDM (ignore the info about removing kubuntu-desktop), then install kubuntu-desktop again
[01:09] <ravermeister> okay thank you i will try that you mean i should completly remove kdm and then reinstall it
[01:09] <ravermeister> right?
[01:09] <jose__> hi all, i need help sharing my display in vnc. I have configure Xvnc so that i can start a new x window from another machine with vnc. Now i want to be see the same display in both machines
[01:10] <stdin> ravermeister: there is an option in synaptic to "purge" the package, that removes the config files too, choose that
[01:10] <jose__> if i try to run xvnc in display 0 i get an error saying that it is locked
  try x11vnc
[01:10] <ravermeister> okay
[01:11] <jose__> hi ravermeister. Thanks, is that an alternative to xvnc?
[01:11] <ravermeister> i dont know, but i use this one to get the actually display on vnc
[01:12] <ravermeister> back in a minute, i try the tips from stdin (don't run away) :)
[01:12] <stdin> ravermeister: heh, ok
[01:12] <jose__> ok
[01:13] <stdin> jose__: from the package description, x11vnc is what you want
[01:13] <waylandbill> x11vnc is limited to the current session.
[01:13] <stdin> waylandbill: that's what he wants
[01:14] <waylandbill> well then.. excellent. :)
[01:14] <jose__> thanks stdin, i am reading the doc already, i hope it is possible to have both xvnc and x11vnc runing toguether
[01:14] <stdin> jose__: you should be able to, as long as they are using different displays
[01:14] <jose__> ok
[01:15] <waylandbill> I was always partial to the xdmcp tunnelled over sshd but... hey... can't win em all. :-D
[01:17] <waylandbill> that and when my hdd blew in my laptop a quick and simple ltsp really rocked.
[01:17] <GdC> ciaociao
[01:21] <GdC> how many people speack italian?
[01:21] <stdin> !it
[01:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:21] <GdC> thanks :o)
[01:21] <stdin> np :)
[01:28] <dhq> is there anyway i can make dolby effects sound in my kubuntu
[01:29] <jion> Somebody can hel me whit anjuta? I not have the option "Compiler and linker options" in the Settings menu:S
[01:32] <dufft[ru] > hey any1 here?
[01:33] <stdin> yeah
[01:33] <waylandbill> jion: you have a compiler installed?
[01:36] <dufft[ru] > yeah so
[01:36] <dufft[ru] > about the compiler
[01:36] <dufft[ru] > i need some
[01:36] <dufft[ru] > to compile cpp files
[01:36] <stdin> !b-e
[01:36] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:36] <dufft[ru] > gr8 thnx
[01:36] <stdin> dufft[ru] : that should get you started :)
[01:37] <dufft[ru] > and abt the developer software
[01:37] <dufft[ru] > i mean smth like Microsoft Visual C++ but for linux
[01:37] <nagyv> I just try to install jdk6, but adept does not let me to accept the license. weird, where did I lost the focus?
[01:37] <stdin> KDevelop is supposed to be good
[01:37] <dufft[ru] > where can i get it?
[01:38] <stdin> !kdevelop
[01:38] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[01:38] <stdin> dufft[ru] : it's in the universe repo
[01:39] <waylandbill> kdevelop is the top one. anjuta is coming along, but ... still falls a little short yet
[01:39] <stdin> nagyv: cancel adept and run this from konsole "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/dpkg/lock ; sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[01:40] <solemnwarning> Why do pccard compact-flash adaptors show up as /dev/sd* in kubuntu, when the pccard IDE driver shows it as hde in other distros?
[01:40] <dufft[ru] > ok now i kinda know what to download now can u tell me where? i am a complete n00b here
[01:41] <stdin> solemnwarning: because they normally use a USB interface, and USB devices use SCSI emualtion
[01:41] <solemnwarning> I've got USB mass storage in my kernel, so why isn't is sd* under others?
[01:41] <stdin> dufft[ru] : you need to enable the universe repository in adept
[01:41] <waylandbill> !universe
[01:41] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:42] <stdin> solemnwarning: no clue, it should be sd*
[01:42] <solemnwarning> What does kubuntu have in it's kernel that makes pccard to cf adaptors show as sd*?
[01:43] <solemnwarning> I mean, if it is a USB one why the hell doe pccard IDE find it?
[01:44] <stdin> solemnwarning: maybe it's on an IDE controler
[01:44] <solemnwarning> So why would kubuntu find it as sd*?
[01:44] <jion> waylandbill: I have gcc, I can compile and linker my programs, but I not have these option:S
[01:45] <stdin> solemnwarning: because, the usb hub may be PCI, but usb devices (drives) are emulated as SCSI
[01:45] <solemnwarning> No
[01:45] <solemnwarning> I mean how is USB mass storage in kubuntu picking them up if they are IDE?
[01:45] <stdin> solemnwarning: I'm not a kernel devel/expert :P
[01:46] <nagyv> stdin: now it complains about /var/lib/apt/lists/lock, but no process locks this file. Even the file does not exist.
[01:46] <stdin> solemnwarning: you'll get a better answer in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-kernel
[01:47] <stdin> nagyv: hmm, tey "sudo fuser -vik /var/lib/apt/lists/lock"
[01:47] <stdin> *try
[01:47] <jose__> hi stdin, it works greit!
[01:47] <nagyv> stdin: sorry, I have found the problem, forget about sudo
[01:47] <stdin> jo
[01:47] <stdin> opps :P
[01:47] <stdin> jose__: great :)
[01:48] <jose__> thanks for your help :D
[01:48] <stdin> no problem :)
[01:49] <jion> Somebody can hel me whit anjuta? I not have the option "Compiler and linker options" in the Settings menu :S.I have a compiler and linker
[01:51] <waylandbill> pccard flash adapter are not ide in the first place.
[01:55] <soulrider> !cedega
[01:55] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[02:00] <harmental> hi everybody....
[02:00] <harmental> can anybody tell me why the swap is desactivated in edgy...
[02:00] <harmental> an most importantly how to activate it automatically at every startup
[02:01] <andreasw> harmental: do you have a swap partition and do you have an entry in /etc/fstab?
[02:01] <harmental> andreasw: yeap
[02:02] <andreasw> sudo swapon /dev/yourdevice will activate the swap
[02:02] <harmental> UUID=2fdd2238-9ab2-41ed-a157-32e4dcb5e281 none swap sw 0 0
[02:02] <andreasw> maybe the UUID changed
[02:03] <andreasw> try to replace the UUID=... with /dev/yourdevice
[02:05] <tazz> i am booted from a livecd i think my kubuntu installation is corrupted, and my kubuntu partition is mounted as /media/windows/ubuntu ( ext3 ) how do i run fsck/e2fsck on it?
[02:05] <harmental> ok..so i did swapon and it worked....
[02:06] <andreasw> harmental: ok I think the UUID is wrong than
[02:06] <harmental> how can i get the UUID from my dev
[02:06] <harmental> ?
[02:06] <andreasw> I have no clue ^^
[02:07] <andreasw> I always use ne old /dev
[02:07] <stdin> sudo vol_id -u /dev/device
[02:09] <stdin> tazz: 1st you need to unmount it, then run "sudo fsck -f /dev/device"
[02:10] <harmental> thx stdin
[02:10] <stdin> np :)
[02:10] <harmental> andreasw: you were right UUID was changed (i ask myself why?)...
[02:10] <harmental> thank you guys!
[02:10] <sb9> how do i get the current cpu-usage (other than top) ?
[02:10] <andreasw> harmental: maybe the swap partition was reformated
[02:11] <andreasw> and then the uuid changes (I hope thats right ^^)
[02:11] <harmental> hum........
[02:11] <stdin> yeah, it would
[02:11] <harmental> ill guess ill have to reboot to check that everything works fine....
[02:14] <micha_01> hallo
[02:14] <stdin> hi
[02:14] <micha_01> hat jemand hier erfahrungen mit dvdrip gesammelt?
[02:15] <micha_01> mhh .. sieht ja icht so aus ..
[02:15] <andreasw> micha_01: fr Deusch geh mal bitte in #ubuntu-de oder #kubuntu-de
[02:15] <andreasw> micha_01: wobei ich ersteren empfehle ^^
[02:16] <crazy_bus> I rebooted my computer and now at the login screen I can't log into either GNOME or KDE or GNOME failsafe.  If I try I get this error message; A critical error occured.  Please look at KDM's logfile(s) for more information
[02:16] <micha_01> okay .. has someone tried to use dvdrip?
[02:17] <stdin> crazy_bus: ok, you need to look at this file: /var/log/kdm.log
[02:18] <grimko> hi all, I'm on edgy and I've got mldonkey not launching at startup, any clue ?
[02:18] <grimko> kmldonkey is fine when mldonkey is launched
[02:20] <crazy_bus> stdin, I'm looking at the log.  What do I do?
[02:20] <axelitus> hi
[02:20] <stdin> crazy_bus: look for errors in there
[02:20] <heinkel_111> hi
[02:20] <axelitus> i'm  catalan
[02:21] <crazy_bus> like this?
[02:21] <crazy_bus> AUDIT: Fri Jan 26 00:49:40 2007: 3783 X: client 26 rejected from local host
[02:21] <crazy_bus> error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[02:21] <magnus__> is there a way to get windows mwdia player on kubuntu?
[02:22] <heinkel_111> anyone can recommend good how-to's on how to share a printer on my network?
[02:22] <stdin> crazy_bus: I get that "error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy", I don't think it's a problem
[02:22] <stdin> !print
[02:22] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:22] <stdin> !media | magnus__
[02:22] <ubotu> magnus__: Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[02:22] <stdin> or
[02:23] <stdin> !wma
[02:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:23] <stdin> magnus__: ^^
[02:23] <heinkel_111> magnus__:  you can play .wma and .wmv files but not the ones decoded with Digital rights management DRM (Thats windows media player 9 and 10) files
[02:23] <heinkel_111> thanks stdin
[02:23] <stdin> yw :)
[02:24] <crazy_bus> And when I try to login in console mode it tells me this. "/bin/login: error while loading saved libraries: lib crypt.so.1; cannot open shared object file: Input/Output error.
[02:24] <heinkel_111> dont relax just yet cause i have been trying for hours and read pages up and down related stuff :(
[02:24] <matt0507> !windows
[02:24] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[02:24] <matt0507> haha
[02:24] <matt0507> nice , very funny
[02:24] <stdin> crazy_bus: can you boot in to reconvery mode ?
[02:25] <crazy_bus> I don't know.  I haven't tried since this error.  I'm currently running off a livecd
[02:26] <stdin> looks like there's a problem with your libc6
[02:26] <stdin> maybe an error on the filesystem
[02:28] <crazy_bus> What should I do about it?
[02:29] <stdin> If you can boot in to recovery mode, you need to reinstall libc6 "apt-get --reinstall install libc6"
[02:29] <stdin> or you could try doing that with chroot
[02:30] <crazy_bus> how come ext3 has being loosing system files on me?
[02:30] <stdin> try running a check on the filesystem
[02:31] <stdin> if it's mounted, you need to unmount it, then run "sudo fsck -f /dev/device" (where "device" is the actual device, eg hda1)
[02:31] <crazy_bus> After the check after 30 mounts.  fsck has quite often told me that certain system files are missing
[02:32] <stdin> how old is the hard drive ?
[02:32] <crazy_bus> I think around 4 years old
[02:32] <stdin> it *could* be getting worn out
[02:33] <stdin> but it may not, my hard drive is older than that, and it's fine
[02:33] <crazy_bus> Only system files go missing.  Never files of my home drive partition?
[02:34] <stdin> sounds more like a filesystem error then
[02:34] <crazy_bus> How do you fix filesystem errors?
[02:34] <stdin> with fsck
[02:35] <stdin> bur some aren't fixable, and the files are gone
[02:35] <stdin> if you have an separate home partition, you could just reinstall
[02:36] <crazy_bus> What do I do when fsck tells me what do I wan't to do?
[02:37] <micha_01> bye ..
[02:37] <stdin> fsck just tries to fix the errors any way it can, sometimes it wants/needs to remove files to fix it, if that's the case, you may need to reinstall anyway
[02:38] <crazy_bus> How do I stop miles go missing next time?
[02:38] <crazy_bus> *files
[02:39] <stdin> filesystem errors are usually caused by either not unmounting cleanly (eg power cuts and improper shutdown) or damage to the hard drive
[02:41] <crazy_bus> kubuntu hasn't being shutting down properly either.  It just shutsdown to a black screen with a flash cursor where typing things does nothing.  Also on the black screen if you press to power button it says all processors are closed and takes you to a limited shell
[02:41] <sirbobbyuk> i then i done some major damage to my system ie windows has gone
[02:41] <daleharvey> is there any cd downloads of ubuntu that dont run a live cd before install?
[02:41] <sirbobbyuk> which is not good new period
[02:41] <crazy_bus> daleharvey, alternate cd
[02:42] <daleharvey> cheers, i just noticed it now
[02:42] <stdin> crazy_bus: as long as the partitions are unmounted, then it's ok, my system doesn't power down on shutdown, but it does halt
[02:43] <stdin> crazy_bus: but maybe a reinstall will fix it for you
[02:43] <crazy_bus> It used to power down.  But then one day after a system freeze it stopped.
[02:43] <sirbobbyuk> i must have installed the over 4 times and every time the pc freezes and that it
[02:44] <sirbobbyuk> i have to do the 1 finger re-boot
[02:44] <crazy_bus> I only just reinstalled two weeks ago :(
[02:44] <sirbobbyuk> this must be the 5th or 6 th atempt
[02:45] <sirbobbyuk> i dont understand ubuntu is working ok on the laptop no prob
[02:45] <sirbobbyuk> but on the main pc..... it crashing
[02:45] <crazy_bus> Booting into recovery mode now
[02:45] <sirbobbyuk> its installing at 15% at the moment
[02:46] <sirbobbyuk> crossing fingers and seeing what happens next
[02:46] <stdin> I've never used the desktop install/live cd, I always use the alternate cd
[02:47] <sirbobbyuk> whats the alternate cd
[02:47] <stdin> !alternate
[02:47] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[02:47] <sirbobbyuk> i think it too late for that now............ it formating 120gb as we speak
[02:48] <sirbobbyuk> 52%
[02:49] <sirbobbyuk> 70% complete
[02:51] <sirbobbyuk> 84% complete and its scanning the mirror
[02:53] <sirbobbyuk> 98% and its finishing install
[02:54] <sirbobbyuk> thats it.... its done i have dual core linux machine
[02:55] <Skrot-> congrats, so do i :P
[02:55] <stdin> did you install the 32 or 64bit version ?
[02:55] <sirbobbyuk> 64
[02:55] <ACA> OL
[02:55] <stdin> ahh
[02:55] <devilsadvocate> can someone tell me how to use a .ktheme file on kubuntu 6.10
[02:55] <sirbobbyuk> its just crashed
[02:56] <Jucato> !changethemes | devilsadvocate
[02:56] <ubotu> devilsadvocate: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[02:56] <stdin> !changetheme
[02:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about changetheme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:56] <Jucato> stdin: :P
[02:56] <stdin> ahh, you beat me :P
[02:56] <ACA> PORTUGUS
[02:56] <stdin> !pt
[02:56] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:56] <sirbobbyuk> at Mounting root file system
[02:56] <ACA> NINGUEM FALA PORTUGUES
[02:57] <Jucato> !pt | ACA
[02:57] <ubotu> ACA: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:57] <sirbobbyuk> there is something that Ubuntu does not like
[02:58] <sirbobbyuk> i might need to install ms windows
[02:58] <devilsadvocate> thanks
[02:58] <ACA> OL ALGUEM FALA PORTUGUS
[02:58] <Jucato> ACA: English only
[02:58] <ACA> NO
[02:58] <stdin> YES
[02:58] <Jucato> ACA: this is an English channel only
[02:59] <ACA> FALA PORTUGUS
[02:59] <daleharvey> what are the kinoff specs needed to run the live cd install?
[02:59] <daleharvey> *kind
[02:59] <sirbobbyuk> I think i need help ubuntu is freezing at Mounting root file system
[02:59] <Jucato> !pt | ACA
[02:59] <ubotu> ACA: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:59] <hendo> hi
[03:00] <Ash-Fox> Ah crap, this is bad. I have a system that I am trying to install kubuntu on, and nothing is detected.. I can't even get a list of devices under lspci
[03:00] <hendo> i cant seem to get java working
[03:00] <stdin> daleharvey: something like 256MB ram, 800MHz cpu will run it fine
[03:00] <stdin> !java
[03:00] <daleharvey> This laptops around 1.6Ghz I believe, 512 ram and a dvd-rw and its taken around an half an hour
[03:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:00] <hendo> i have ubuntu dapper
[03:00] <hendo> 606lt
[03:00] <daleharvey> I still cant even click on the install button
[03:01] <knoppix> It didn't work.  Loading recovery mode just made the same messages fly by.  Also fsck tried to correct the missing files.  But it wanted to load fsck manually, but when it tried it said maitenance shell failed.  Is there anyway to correct things in kubuntu from I livecd?  Or should I just reinstall again?
[03:01] <stdin> daleharvey: well, you can try the alternate cd, it uses even less resources
[03:01] <ACA> OL
[03:01] <daleharvey> yeh im downloading now
[03:02] <ACA> CRZY_BUS
[03:02] <stdin> !caps
[03:02] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:02] <ACA> NO
[03:02] <jion> Why in anjuta 2.0.2 does not appear the option "Compiler and linker options" in the Settings menu?? Where it is?
[03:02] <ACA>  :o
[03:03] <devilsadvocate> will kde 3.5.6 be coming to the repos soon?
[03:03] <Tm_T> ACA: Yes?
[03:03] <ACA>  :(
[03:03] <Skrot-> devilsadvocate: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[03:03] <Tm_T> devilsadvocate: It's in kubuntu.org, for edgy.
[03:03] <Jucato> Tm_T: if you can speak a bit of portuguese....
[03:03] <stdin> ACA: use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus
[03:03] <Tm_T> Jucato: No, but I can make sounds like a moose.
[03:03] <Jucato> Tm_T: O.o
[03:03] <devilsadvocate> ty Skrot- , Tm_T
[03:03] <sirbobbyuk> thats it XP going to have to go back on
[03:03] <stdin> devilsadvocate: it's available for edgy, but not dapper
[03:04] <Jucato> it won't be available for Dapper...
[03:04] <Tm_T> Atleast not yet, maybe never.
[03:05] <crazy_bus> stdin, what do you recommend I do?
[03:05] <Jucato> Tm_T: most probably never. unless Riddel changes his mind
[03:05] <stdin> crazy_bus: the only thing you can really do is reinstall
[03:05] <devilsadvocate> i see that stdin . Fortunately im using edgy
[03:06] <devilsadvocate> what is fiesty using right not?
[03:06] <devilsadvocate> right now*
[03:06] <Tm_T> Jucato: Yup, that's what I meant, and I mostly agree with him, hard to guarantee stability if you're in fast train.
[03:06] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: 3.5.6, afaik
[03:06] <stdin> devilsadvocate: yeah, it's in feisty now :)
[03:06] <Jucato> Tm_T: read the ML ehj?
[03:06] <Jucato> eh*
[03:06] <devilsadvocate> Jucato, renaming to .kth didnt work, btw
[03:06] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: could you point me where you go that .ktheme?
[03:07] <Tm_T> Jucato: Yes I do, when I'm not too lazy and mark all > 100 mails as read. ;)
[03:07] <stdin> isn't a .ktheme just a gzipped tar archive ?
[03:07] <devilsadvocate> Jucato, http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lcarsaccess441/
[03:07] <sirbobbyuk> i guess i will have to leave it as an xp machine for now. untill i get a better understanding of linux
[03:07] <devilsadvocate> stdin, yes it is
[03:07] <devilsadvocate> not sure how to uncompress it and apply
[03:07] <Jucato> Tm_T: hehehe
[03:07] <stdin> devilsadvocate: you don't just add it to the themes
[03:08] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: which of the 2 did you download?
[03:08] <devilsadvocate> stdin, starting to realize that :P
[03:08] <Jucato>   lcarsaccess441-1.1.2.tar (.gz) or lcarsaccess441-2.1-Theme.tar (.gz)?
[03:08] <devilsadvocate> Jucato, i downloaded both, and tried using th -theme one because it had a .ktheme
[03:08] <Jucato> hm.. let me check
[03:09] <PhinnFort> i think i have a rather serious problem
[03:09] <PhinnFort> i think alsa has stopped working
[03:10] <PhinnFort> at least partially
[03:10] <PhinnFort> it seems if i use the oss emulation, it works again
[03:11] <devilsadvocate> hmm.. its a theme for kde 2.x :| . i suppose its going to take a while for me to get it to work on this
[03:11] <Jucato> yeah... if it's for 2.x... most probably it won't work
[03:11] <PhinnFort> but still neither vlc nor mplayer works
[03:11] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: the first tarball looks like a window decoration, though
[03:12] <PhinnFort> or flash for that matter
[03:12] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[03:12] <stdin> devilsadvocate: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=39926 <- KDM theme :)
[03:12] <PhinnFort> from mplayer i get: alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1246:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: No such file or directory
[03:13] <devilsadvocate> ty stdin
[03:13] <stdin> devilsadvocate: I found it while searching for some new themes a few days ago :P
[03:13] <Jucato> take note, that's just a KDM theme :)
[03:13] <devilsadvocate> i know
[03:13] <devilsadvocate> i was looking for a full theme, but now i'll just start putting the pieces together myself
[03:13] <ACA> ALGUEM FALA PORTUGUS
[03:14] <stdin> instructions to install it here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu#head-4b3b5593ae454ea8991ad90ceb81f453a0e6ab82 just in case :)
[03:14] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: that might even be better, given KDE's current theming mechanism...
[03:15] <PhinnFort> alsa f*cks up, and not even a mention in dmesg...
[03:16] <stdin> PhinnFort: try: sudo modprobe snd_pcm
[03:16] <stdin> or snd-pcm if that don't work
[03:16] <PhinnFort> nope
[03:17] <PhinnFort> it's already loaded
[03:17] <stdin> that should have created those device nodes
[03:17] <PhinnFort> some of them where already there, but they seemed to disappear
[03:17] <PhinnFort> and they had some different names
[03:18] <PhinnFort> c instead of p in the end of the filename
[03:19] <stdin> I have controlC0 pcmC0D0p pcmC0D2c pcmC0D4p timer pcmC0D0c pcmC0D1c pcmC0D3c and seq
[03:20] <PhinnFort> controlC0  controlC1  controlC2  midiC1D0   pcmC0D0c   pcmC2D0c   pcmC2D0p   pcmC2D1c   pcmC2D1p   seq        timer
[03:20] <PhinnFort> here
[03:20] <stdin> maybe try "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart" ?
[03:21] <PhinnFort> done several times
[03:21] <PhinnFort> also tried rmmod'ing and modprobing drivers
[03:22] <stdin> PhinnFort: this is my output of "lsmod | grep snd" http://pastebin.ca/330121
[03:23] <TheGateKeeper> anyone in here program the bot?
[03:24] <PhinnFort> well, i have a integrated soundchip on my via mobo, so it's a whole lot of different modules loaded
[03:24] <sk8bdr0216> whats up?
[03:24] <sk8bdr0216> anyone have any good wireless network utility
[03:25] <PhinnFort> sk8bdr0216: iwconfig
[03:25] <aventis> hello
[03:25] <sk8bdr0216> yah i didnt know if anyone has any applications
[03:25] <stdin> TheGateKeeper: ask on #ubuntu-bots
[03:25] <TheGateKeeper> ok thanx stdin
[03:26] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: what is it?
[03:26] <stdin> PhinnFort: mine is an intergrated intel ac97 chip
[03:26] <aventis> i have one question, i placed a request for kubuntu LTS cds many times but my request has not been approved, wanted to know why is this happening when it is said that kubuntu team is still sending LTS cds ?
[03:27] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, 'it' being what?
[03:27] <stdin> aventis: how many did you order ?
 anyone in here program the bot? <-- regarding factoids?
[03:28] <Jucato> ah nvm
[03:28] <aventis> im placing the request for last many months but every time i ceck my account on shipit page i get the above message
[03:28] <TheGateKeeper> I am trying to find some info about factoids
[03:28] <aventis> i ordered 10, then 5, then 1 but none was approved
[03:28] <hendo> i am having problems with installing java
[03:28] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: yes, I think they use supybot
[03:28] <hendo> i have 606lts dapper
[03:28] <Jucato> !bot | TheGateKeeper
[03:28] <ubotu> TheGateKeeper: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:29] <stdin> !java | hendo
[03:29] <ubotu> hendo: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:29] <PhinnFort> oh, and when i try to use OSS in mplayer, i get the following: [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Invalid argument
[03:30] <TheGateKeeper> !search *
[03:30] <ubotu> Found: tvout,logs-#ubuntuforums,packages,ati-#ubuntu-xgl,picard,ubunto,fglrx-#ubuntu-xgl,kudos,buntudot,kdesu
[03:30] <TheGateKeeper> hmm
[03:31] <aventis> stdin: how can i solve this mystry why my request is not approved?
[03:31] <PhinnFort> i thought that came because amarok was using it, but it was there still, after quitting amarok
[03:32] <PhinnFort> !search alsa
[03:32] <ubotu> Found: sound,alsa-source,dmix,esd,alsa
[03:32] <stdin> aventis: hmm, maybe ask on #launchpad
[03:32] <aventis> thanks, i will check
[03:32] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, you can program factoid to give you a value when you give it a key like !bot what I was looking for was a command so that it would give a list of ALL the keys it knows
[03:32] <aventis> btw i get this message " 10 CDs requested in 2006-09-30. This request was not approved, so no  CDs were shipped. "
[03:33] <aventis> 5 CDs requested in 2006-12-09. This request was not approved, so no CDs  were shipped.
[03:33] <waylandbill> I had to wait 3 months for shipit cds one time.
[03:33] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ah. I suppose you got an answer in #ubuntu-bots?
[03:33] <aventis> 1 CDs requested in 2006-12-24. This request was not approved, so no  CDs were shipped.
[03:33] <stdin> aventis: yeah, ask the launchpad people, I think they run shipit
[03:33] <PhinnFort> wtf... alsamixer tries to mix my video decoder...
[03:33] <waylandbill> did you have incorrect or missing info?
[03:34] <aventis> im going there
[03:34] <PhinnFort> how can i check which program uses a certain kernel module?
[03:35] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, I hope so, as the knowledge in #supybots is borderline useless :-(
[03:36] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl is a web interface to brows *all* the factoids that it knows... if that's what you were looking for...
[03:37] <aventis> there is pindrop silence in #launchpad
[03:37] <TheGateKeeper> Jucato, I am tinkering with my own
[03:38] <Jucato> ah ok
[03:39] <TheGateKeeper> I want to know how you get factoid to spit that info out
[03:40] <TheGateKeeper> seems like if you don't keep your own log you are stuffed
[03:46] <karim>  i have a new processor intel celeron D with EMT64 support.. do i install ubuntu x86-64 or stick to ubuntu x86???
[03:47] <LjL> karim: depends. if you want things like Flash, WINE, w32codecs, and others, you're better off with the x86 version
[03:47] <LjL> binary-only stuff in general
[03:47] <LjL> i think the performance advantages of the 64-bit version are relatively small
[03:47] <karim> so u recommend the x86 ordinary thing??
[03:48] <LjL> karim: i said "depends"
[03:48] <karim> but the repositories really contain most of these things for the 64bit
[03:48] <LjL> are you intending to use that sort of stuff i mentioned?
[03:48] <karim> yes
[03:48] <LjL> they quite don't
[03:48] <LjL> !flash64
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash64 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:48] <LjL> ah nevermind
[03:49] <LjL> !flash64bit
[03:49] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[03:49] <LjL> karim: see, this is an example - it can be done, but it's far from as easy as with the x86 version
[03:49] <LjL> and i think in some cases other than flash, it's just quite impossible
[03:50] <karim> well... thx verymuch for hepl guys...i believe i will stick to x86..
[03:50] <karim> help...
[03:50] <LjL> !flash64 is <alias> flash64bit
[03:50] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:50] <guglielf> hello, i'd like to find the contents document of the help:/ system in konqui, and in what directory it resides, any ideas?
[03:51] <Jucato> afaik, help:/ and the ones in khelpcenter are the same
[03:51] <LjL> guglielf: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML
[03:54] <guglielf> LjL: thx, and how can I reach it within help:/? I suppose it must be something like help:/kubuntu/
[03:55] <LjL> guglielf, uhm, you can do help:/applicationname
[03:55] <LjL> like help:/konqueror for the konqueror help
[03:55] <guglielf> right
[03:56] <guglielf> so, only for apps
[03:56] <Jucato> only for KDE stuff
[03:56] <LjL> guglielf: don't know... you want the general Kubuntu help that you get from khelpcenter, right?
[03:56] <LjL> it should be somewhere
[03:57] <guglielf> ok
[03:57] <LjL> i'll do a strace
[03:57] <guglielf> i.e. help:/kubuntu/packagingguide/index.html
[03:57] <LjL>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en_US/khelpcenter/glossary/index.docbook is one file it opens
[03:58] <guglielf> same here
[03:59] <devilsadvocate> so edgy is officially still using 3.5.5 (kde) ?
[03:59] <Jucato> devilsadvocate: Edgy will always be "officially" using 3.5.5
[03:59] <LjL> guglielf: somehow i'm starting to believe that main khelpcenter homepage is generated dynamically
[03:59] <Jucato> it's the default that is installed with it.
[04:00] <LjL> there must be a template somewhere though
[04:00] <guglielf> LjL: ok, another one would be help:/kubuntu/desktopguide/index.html
[04:00] <LjL> yes, found that
[04:00] <guglielf> which is the same of /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/desktopguide
[04:00] <LjL> about-kubuntu  desktopguide  krelease-notes  packagingguide  serverguide
[04:00] <guglielf> yeah
[04:00] <LjL> these are the ones available under kubuntu
[04:00] <LjL> but it's still not what khelpcenter gives
[04:00] <Jucato> LjL: yes it seems that khelpcenter and help:/ dynamically generate HTML from .docbook...
[04:01] <guglielf> hmm
[04:01] <LjL> if that's the template, yes
[04:01] <guglielf> ok
[04:01] <guglielf> thanks both of you
[04:01] <devilsadvocate> hmmm... but still, a apt-get dist upgraade should  have been able to make the necessary change. but i think i see what the point is
[04:01] <guglielf> why not? :)
[04:02] <LjL> Jucato: the .docbook file i gave doesn't really seem to be the right template though
[04:02] <guglielf> Jucato: conversation is always of help, isnt it?
[04:02] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:03] <Jucato> the "template", seems to be in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/common
[04:03] <Jucato> if by template, you mean the CSS stuff...
[04:03] <Jucato> and common grapihcs/headers/footers
[04:05] <LjL> Jucato: well no, i didn't mean the CSS
[04:05] <LjL> maybe that's the only thing there is but
[04:05] <LjL> but Jucato, like the "Kubuntu Documents" heading, that must be somewhere
[04:05] <LjL> strace doesn't help at all
[04:05] <Jucato> ah
[04:06] <LjL> though it may be that it's missing some calls, since the process forks
[04:06] <LjL> i'll just grep Kubuntu Documents
[04:06] <LjL> uh, it's not in /usr/share/.../HTML
[04:08] <LjL>  /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/ is the right track i think
[04:08] <LjL>  /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/index.html.in possibly
[04:09] <LjL> well it's really all in /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/ , but mixed around
[04:09] <LjL> err i mean
[04:09] <LjL>  /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu/
[04:09] <LjL> there's the .directory file in there for instance
[04:09] <LjL> and that has "Kubuntu Documents"
[04:10] <guglielf> going to check it
[04:12] <LjL>  /usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/table-of-contents.xslt is also a part of that
[04:15] <guglielf> LjL: to be more precise, what I wanted to find was the page that comes out when one opens the Help under the Kmenu.
[04:15] <guglielf> maybe it's a dynamically created page, as you stated before
[04:18] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:18] <LjL> yes guglielf, i'd got that
[04:18] <LjL> i just can't find it anywhere
[04:18] <LjL> it's *certainly* generated dynamically, and i've found a few files that contribute, i just can't put it together
[04:18] <dromer> this is strange, when I connect usb-devices, they apear in lsusb, but they are not mounted, this should be done automatically right? even after reboot this still happens
[04:18] <guglielf> ok, didnt know if I was clear enough :)
[04:18] <LjL> i must be missing the one important file
[04:19] <guglielf> LjL: hmm I see now
[04:19] <Prisoner_> hi
[04:19] <LjL> dromer, if by "USB devices" you mean memory drives, yes, they should be mounted automatically
[04:20] <dromer> LjL: flash-stick/camera, they are not mounted
[04:20] <dromer> but htey are in lsusb
[04:20] <dominik> hello world
[04:20] <guglielf> LjL: sometimes not being english mothertongue makes things complicated to explain ;)
[04:20] <LjL> dromer: i suppose you have the whole of kubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:20] <dromer> LjL: yes
[04:20] <dromer> actually ubuntu with kde desktop later
[04:20] <LjL> dromer: hmm then might it not be some conflict with the GNOME/Ubuntu automounter?
[04:21] <LjL> assuming they're different, i don't quite really know about that
[04:21] <LjL> guglielf: i'll download the khelpcenter source and see what i can
[04:21] <dromer> LjL: I don't know, it used to work just fine, just since some weeks I noticed it doesn't work correctly anymore
[04:22] <guglielf> #kubuntu-doc
[04:22] <LjL> guglielf: they have it?
[04:22] <guglielf> hmm does not exist :(
[04:22] <LjL> nah i guess there's only #ubuntu-doc
[04:22] <guglielf> only ubuntu
[04:22] <guglielf> yeah
[04:22] <LjL> but i think they're more concerned with the wiki and stuff
[04:22] <LjL> than with actual source code, that is
[04:22] <guglielf> I think so
[04:25] <PhinnFort> is adept manager safe to use?
[04:27] <Prisoner_> just downloaded some updates using adept
[04:28] <LjL> Adept is the default package managing interface on Kubuntu
[04:29] <Mightily-Oats> hey all
[04:29] <Prisoner_> KDE seems to really push this system
[04:29] <Prisoner_> looking at the system load, it's using most of the RAM
[04:31] <Mightily-Oats> im wondering if anyone can help me again.. a while ago (a few weeks) i was in here talking about my hdd, and how it kept ticking.. as though it was being put to sleep.. and then powering back up every 10 to 20 seconds.. it was a fujitsu laptop hdd (5400 8mb cache).. i recently upgraded to a seagate (7200 8mb cache)... and there is still the ticking sound... any ideas?
[04:32] <Mightily-Oats> im kinda hoping i havent got 2 dud hdds in a row
[04:32] <chuache> hi
[04:32] <Ash-Fox> Anybody came across this issue before with edgy. Hardware I've never used Linux on before, I run 'lspci', nothing is outputted, but when I run 'lspci -H1', all the hardware is seen. It looks like the kernel doesn't support the hardware, but the hardware listed doesn't seem to be that special or unique. Any ideas on what todo?
[04:32] <wheatie> Prisoner_, linux works differently then windows for example. Windows waits to access ram while linux uses it and keeps it in cache waiting to be more quickly accessed
[04:32] <Prisoner_> not a swap file issue is it?
[04:32] <bXi> Mightily-Oats: its a laptop?
[04:32] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:32] <djwilcox> hi - mac osx user just switched to kubuntu
[04:32] <Mightily-Oats> yep.. its a laptop
[04:32] <Prisoner_> thanks for the info
[04:32] <bXi> might be underpowering the HDDs then
[04:33] <Prisoner_> I'm running Kubuntu on an ancient 400mhz AMDK6 with 384MB RAM
[04:33] <Mightily-Oats> rats... was thinking it wouldnt be that cause it happens even when its running off ac
[04:34] <Ash-Fox> Prisoner_, don't expect it to be lightning fast on older hardware
[04:34] <Prisoner_> I don't
[04:34] <Prisoner_> I just wanted to play with it to see how well it works
[04:34] <Mightily-Oats> djwilcox: hope u like it :)
[04:34] <djwilcox> cheers
[04:34] <djwilcox> yer it looks good - lots of geek tools
[04:35] <djwilcox> im used to unix - just need to work out how to install software
[04:35] <Ash-Fox> It's very similar to how Solaris, FreeBSD, openbsd does.. you use a package manager
[04:35] <Ash-Fox> In Kubuntu you use adept
[04:35] <Mightily-Oats> lol yeah.. i like the mac osx interface.. smooth and sleek... but i also find it feeling like its missing stuff... still like it though :)
[04:35] <Prisoner_> I'm also going to try Xubuntu to see if I like that too, just trying to find out if Linux is an option for me
[04:36] <djwilcox> i use the mac for final cut and aperature
[04:36] <enzo> hello
[04:36] <Prisoner_> my main PC is a 1.583GHZ AMD Sempron with 512MB Ram
[04:37] <djwilcox> do you use the package manager to install software or the terminal with apt
[04:37] <djwilcox> dont see a lot of software in the package manager
[04:38] <Mightily-Oats> i like the terminal apt.. but i find synaptic to be a great app for search and install.. but if i know the app name i apt it
[04:38] <Prisoner_> If I decide to use Linux, that machine will be one it runs on
[04:38] <dominik> Hello guys, I have mp3 files that I loaded to my Kubuntu computer, but the keffeine media palyer wouldn't play it...is there any player that can play mp3 files?
[04:39] <tsdgeos> !mp3
[04:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:39] <emp__> dominik: vlc media player
[04:39] <djwilcox> vlc player
[04:39] <emp__> for all your media
[04:39] <emp__> works always
[04:39] <emp__> wonderful thing :)
[04:39] <djwilcox> does it work with h264
[04:39] <dominik> emp__: do I need to download it ??
[04:40] <emp__> yes
[04:40] <emp__> install it with adept package manager
[04:40] <tsdgeos> djwilcox: yes
[04:40] <Mightily-Oats> dominik: install libxine-extracodecs
[04:40] <emp__> just search video lan or vlc i think
[04:40] <dominik> emp__: I hate to sound stupid, but what is the full name for vlc, and where do I get it?
[04:41] <bXi> google for vlc and you'll find it
[04:42] <dominik> cheers guys, I will check it out!
[04:42] <emp__> video lan
[04:42] <djwilcox> vlc link: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[04:43] <emp__> just go to your packet manager
[04:43] <emp__> type
[04:43] <emp__> vlc
[04:43] <emp__> right button request install
[04:43] <emp__> done!
[04:44] <djwilcox> to install vlc go to the adept manager and type in vlc
[04:45] <djwilcox> but nothing seems 2 b listed - am i being dense or what
[04:46] <pucko-> have you added the universe repository?
[04:47] <djwilcox> linux nube - just switched from maco osx - no idea what i am doing
[04:47] <DettoAltrimenti> I'm trying to connect to a wireless connection on kubuntu that requires a username and password- where can I fill in this information?
[04:47] <|Daisuke_Ido|> is it true that edgy broke a lot of compatibility with rt61-based wireless cards?
[04:48] <djwilcox> does edgy work with airport extreme cards and wpa
[04:49] <klausos> how can i make knetwork auto-connects to my home wpa wireless network without asking me all the times for the wlan's password????
[04:49] <emp__> djwilcox: google on sources.list
[04:49] <emp__> and add edgy universe
[04:49] <emp__> that will fix it
[04:49] <djwilcox> cheers
[04:49] <djwilcox> cool
[04:49] <emp__> its in /etc/sources.list
[04:50] <emp__> you have to edit it as root
[04:50] <emp__> and add the edgy universe
[04:50] <emp__> google will tell u how
[04:50] <emp__> =)
[04:50] <|Daisuke_Ido|> or just go in and uncomment the universe/multiverse lines that are already in there.
[04:50] <djwilcox> google is your friend
[04:50] <emp__> well I updated from dapper |Daisuke_Ido|
[04:50] <emp__> so i wouldnt know
[04:50] <emp__> =)
[04:51] <|Daisuke_Ido|> yeah, the universe.multiverse lines are there in edgy, just commented out.  you can uncomment them in adept, or use synaptic to enable them without messing with the sources.list file
[04:52] <emp__> i dont mess
[04:52] <emp__> xD
[04:52] <|Daisuke_Ido|> hehe
[04:52] <emp__> but good to know
[05:00] <julius> hi
[05:01] <julius> please somebody help me with red conections in red hat linux???
[05:02] <julius> please
[05:03] <|Daisuke_Ido|> this is a channel for kubuntu-related issues, you might want to see if there are any areas for fedora core support
[05:05] <gael_> Bonjour a tous J'essaie de faire tourner Zuma en utilisant Wine mais je n'ai pas d'acceleration materielle
[05:05] <crazy_penguin> good afternoon to everybody
[05:05] <Jucato> !fr | gael_
[05:05] <ubotu> gael_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:06] <ucordes> !botsnack
[05:06] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:07] <ucordes> !mp3
[05:07] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:07] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i'm going to go ahead and try to drop back to dapper on the other pc, since rt61 support appears to be broken in edgy...
[05:10] <wimpies> hi all, When I insert an audio CD I get this dialog asking what to do .  When I select open in new window I am supposed to see the content of the CD but I get an error claiming I have no access to /dev/hdc (which I have) ?
[05:22] <Balsamic_Chicken> does wireless connection go bad on bad weather? as in is it supposed to
[05:22] <superkirbyartist> Can someone help me with Ekiga please?  I keep getting "Registration failed:timeout" errors!
[05:22] <eaf> hello
[05:22] <ubuntu__> hello
[05:23] <ubuntu__> how to install kubuntu two sata disk
[05:23] <superkirbyartist> I really need help with ekiga.
[05:23] <cob> what is the name of the french forum for kubuntu ?
[05:23] <ubuntu__> raid 0 please
[05:23] <ubuntu__> how to raid 0
[05:23] <superkirbyartist> #kubuntu-fr cob
[05:23] <cob> thinks
[05:24] <eaf> when i install some software like amsn.deb i will need a lot of files= how can i install all this files easy ??
[05:25] <pablin29> hi
[05:25] <Jucato> !amsn | eaf
[05:25] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[05:25] <Jucato> eaf: install from the repository. that will handle all dependencies (those files you mentioned)
[05:27] <blindside_> pffft kopete ftw
[05:28] <TheHermit> HOw to make beryl the deffuclt windo manager
[05:28] <TheHermit> sorry defualt*
[05:29] <Jucato> !beryl | TheHermit
[05:29] <ubotu> TheHermit: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:29] <solemnwarning> I'm trying to setup ndiswrapper but modprobe ndiswrapper fails with invalid arg
[05:29] <carlos_> I have bought a laptop Acer 3690, but i am not able to connect to internet by wireless (eth1). Eth1 is not activated. How to activate it
[05:29] <solemnwarning> What should I do?
[05:29] <TheHermit> okay
[05:34] <dominik> thanks guys, I just finished installing the vlc on my computer and its playing like magic :)
[05:35] <dominik> you guys are very good at explaining things to us beginners
[05:40] <carlos_> anyone does know how to activate eth1 on kubuntu:
[05:40] <carlos_> [14:40]  <carlos_> anyone does know how to activate eth1 on kubuntu
[05:41] <erhanr> carlos_:  ifconfig eth1 up
[05:43] <erhanr> i can ping my lan pc and i can ping from other pc to lan .but i cant connecting from other pc to .net
[05:44] <erhanr> whats wrong ? when i ping google it keeps says its unknown host
 from the machine that says unknown host for google, can u ping the other machines?
[05:45] <erhanr> well i just have one lan pc
[05:46] <erhanr> well i cant ping modem's ip from other pc which cant connect internet
[05:46] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. is the right dns server in the /etc/resolv.conf file?
[05:47] <erhanr> i write /etc/resolv.conf    eth1's ip -thats on server-
[05:48] <erhanr> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370&page=1  < i did like there
[05:48] <ReTyPe> http://rafb.net/p/Ex3zIJ92.html > my Kubuntu 64 7.04 update went wrong
[05:49] <dominik_> I am not anymore able to download anything with adept.. no error messages, just no dl
[05:50] <erhanr> dominik do you try apt-get or aptitude ?
[05:50] <dominik_> yes
[05:50] <erhanr> and nothing ?
[05:50] <dominik_> i tried to connect to ip but it suddenly stops
[05:51] <nickirmizban> ok
[05:51] <nickirmizban> i can help you
[05:51] <nickirmizban> you motherfucker
[05:51] <ReTyPe> i have somethimes problems to, its my network settings, i neet to edit my /etc/resolv.conf with my isp dns servers
[05:52] <eimajenthat> I'm getting an APT error.  It says "dpkg: error processing wpasupplicant (--purge): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal."  But how do I reinstall it?
[05:53] <dominik_> 0% [Verbinde mit 172.25.10.1 ]  and nothing happens
[05:53] <ReTyPe> dominik_:  what is in your resolv.conf ???   cat /etc/resolv.conf
[05:53] <erhanr> maybe its about source list
[05:53] <dominik_> mom i'll have a look
[05:54] <eimajenthat> How do I reinstall a package in APT?
[05:54] <dominik_> nameserver 205.188.146.145 only one line
[05:54] <carlos_> erhanr> The answer was: No such file or directory.
[05:55] <dominik_> shall i delete "nameserver 205.188.146.145"
[05:55] <mendred> eimajenthat: try using --reinstall
[05:55] <Jucato> eimajenthat: sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[05:55] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to have any idea what todo with my 'lspci' issue? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2070713
[05:55] <eimajenthat> thanks
[05:56] <erhanr> no exist reinstall  in apt .was it ?
[05:56] <dominik_> y
[05:58] <erhanr> carlos_: do you see with  lspci your second (eth1) network card name ?
[06:04] <carlos_> erhanr> yes. The answer is
[06:04] <carlos_> 0000:06:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 
[06:04] <carlos_>  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[06:08] <dominik_> Last week i used to connect to a proxy server in our computer room at school, could i have changed there some important settings?
[06:09] <dominik_> if i make "fetch updates" in adept it only goes till 24%
[06:10] <Ilpo> Mills tavalla KDE:n asetukset saatiin talletettua poistumatta KDE:st?
[06:10] <Ilpo> oops
[06:11] <Ilpo> How I can save KDE settings without quitting it?
[06:11] <ReTyPe> how do i play mp4 files ?
[06:11] <ReTyPe> in kubuntu 64 7.04
[06:11] <nanda> Ilpa: try clicking "apply"?
[06:11] <LjL> Ubotu, tell ReTyPe about feisty | ReTyPe, see the private message from Ubotu
[06:12] <Ilpo> But When I restart computer old settings becomes again.. in some cases
[06:12] <nanda> strange
[06:12] <Ilpo> Like amount of desktop windows etc.
[06:13] <ReTyPe> thx LjL i know that
[06:13] <Ilpo> I do quit and then start :)
[06:13] <LjL> ReTyPe: not really, since you asked here rather than in #Ubuntu+1
[06:14] <wheatie> you need to K and  "logout" or " restart" for kde to remember your desktop settings IE: windows you left open, and aps in the taskbar generally
[06:14] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> can anyone help with my ipod mini please
[06:14] <wheatie> rebooting in console dosnt save desktop settings by default
[06:14] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> can anyone
[06:14] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> help
[06:14] <solemnwarning> I'm trying to setup a Linksys WPC54G pccard with ndiswrapper, but I don't have a wlan0 interface
[06:15] <solemnwarning> At first I had wlan0, but after a crash and reboot it disappeared
[06:15] <solemnwarning> What should I do?
[06:15] <wheatie> solemnwarning,  cat /etc/network/interfaces
[06:16] <wheatie> you should find either eth1 or wlan0
[06:16] <FreshPrince> hi
[06:16] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, u here?
[06:16] <FreshPrince> cpk1, ? :(
[06:16] <solemnwarning> The card registered as eth1, but ifup is acting as if it's an ethernet card
[06:17] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> my ipod mini
[06:17] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> has sad face
[06:17] <FreshPrince> u remember i've encoded the movie to a vcd.. but the movie is too big now.. -> 1.7G    Baabul-1.mpg
[06:17] <FreshPrince>  why that?
[06:17] <EyesOnMe[TechWiz> i cant fix it
[06:18] <wheatie> solemnwarning, it technically is a network card... you can simply rename the device if you like but it's only going to make a cosmetic name change
[06:18] <solemnwarning> It's not working as a wifi card
[06:18] <Ilpo> How about release of KDE 3.5.6 to Dapper?
[06:18] <solemnwarning> I'm getting link down errors when I try ifup
[06:19] <solemnwarning> When I put the card in errors about Microcode "....fw" not available or load failed
[06:19] <solemnwarning> In dmesg
[06:19] <wheatie> IIpo dapper is an LTS  version and debs are not available for it
[06:20] <Ilpo> wheatie, does it come some day to Dapper?
[06:20] <wheatie> solemnwarning, you'll need to then probably install the firmware as its probably closed-source and not able to ship with ubuntu
[06:20] <solemnwarning> I've read a thread in ubuntu forums, loads of people got this card working, nothing about this error
[06:21] <wheatie> the point of Dapper isnt to have the latest and greatest software.. It's purpose is to be a stable release which causes minimal headaches
[06:21] <Ilpo> ok
[06:21] <Ilpo> thats good aim
[06:21] <wheatie> llpo, if you want bleeding "edge" go to edgy
[06:22] <lamarieta> Hi everybody
[06:22] <wheatie> solemnwarning, i'd suggest perhaps posting on those forums then the output of your dmseg and perhaps the people whome have your hardwarde can be of better assistance then myself?
[06:22] <|Daisuke_Ido|> solemnwarning: what revision of the wmp54g?
[06:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> because i'm having similar issues
[06:23] <solemnwarning> lspci says rev 03
[06:23] <lamarieta> Using Dapper Drake Kubuntu and trying to install easyubuntu
[06:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i don't recommend easyubuntu, it can break things easily
[06:23] <lamarieta> No luck, followed the terminal commands of the homepage and got error after the first one.
[06:23] <lamarieta> OK
[06:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i rest my case
[06:23] <lamarieta> Autmatix then?
[06:23] <|Daisuke_Ido|> nope
[06:24] <lamarieta> Gee
[06:24] <lamarieta> Then? Stick to the oficail repositories?
[06:24] <|Daisuke_Ido|> enable universe and multiverse repositories and install via adept or synaptic
[06:24] <lamarieta> OK. Thanks lots anyhow.
[06:24] <richard> hello all
[06:24] <|Daisuke_Ido|> !sources.list
[06:24] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:25] <richard> anyone know how to supress the messages you get from kget?
[06:25] <|Daisuke_Ido|> enable the two i mentioned and you'll have access to *most* of what those scripts have to offer
[06:25] <FreshPrince> PhinnFort, PhinnFort cpk1 cpk1 ^_^
[06:25] <lamarieta> I'll do so, Thanks.
[06:27] <phobiac> I'm interested in attempting to learn the dvorak keyboard layout, but I don't know how to switch to it with kubuntu. What I'd prefer is to be able o swtich between qwert and dvorak with a hotkey, is that possible?
[06:29] <LjL> phobiac: it's totally possible
[06:29] <LjL> phobiac: go to system settings, personal, regional and language
[06:29] <Pirate-king> hello
[06:29] <julian_> hi
[06:29] <phobiac> Aha, keyboard layouts.
[06:29] <julian_> i try to install xen on my machine
[06:30] <LjL> phobiac: go to keyboard layout, enable layouts, select a layout - two actually, perhaps -, and add it
[06:30] <LjL> phobiac: then for one layout, "layout variant" and select dvorak
[06:30] <julian_> the 2.6.17 kernel won't work, crashes with kernelpanic at boot
[06:30] <Pirate-king> Totem could not play 'fd://0'.  tring to download a podcast anyone?
[06:30] <LjL> phobiac: then yes, in keyboard shortcuts you can set that
[06:30] <Pirate-king> get that error
[06:30] <LjL> phobiac: i use Pause/Break, for the record
[06:30] <phobiac> Hmm, a problem. I've no availible layouts and the add button does nothing.
[06:30] <julian_> but xen-2.6.16 works fine, i only need nvidia and r1000 for that
[06:31] <LjL> phobiac, that happened to me to...
[06:31] <LjL> phobiac, let me see how i solved that
[06:31] <phobiac> LjL: Thank you very much.
[06:31] <julian_> i don't now how to get this building, the way with the kernel headers wont work
[06:31] <LjL> phobiac: (you did select "enable keyboard layouts" anyway, right?)
[06:31] <phobiac> LjL: Yes
[06:34] <gop> hey
[06:34] <gop> I tryed this
[06:34] <gop> hey I did this sudo chmod 600 ~/.smbcredentials then I did this sudo mount -a    but I get this "  ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!"
[06:35] <lupine_85> ...the owner of .smbcredentials is now root...
[06:35] <lupine_85> maybe/
[06:36] <LjL> phobiac: i've not forgotten, i just can't find it. it involved something ugly like making a symlink in /usr
[06:37] <phobiac> LjL: Okay, thank you again.
[06:40] <LjL> phobiac: i've found a couple of bug reports about it, but no solution
[06:40] <LjL> i should start making my .bash_history infinite length i guess
[06:41] <phobiac> Yeah, google seems to be giving little hope of a simple solution.
[06:41] <phobiac> I'll keep looking though. Thank you.
[06:41] <LjL> phobiac: did you upgrade from dapper to edgy by the way?
[06:41] <phobiac> Yeah I did, that seems to be where the issue is.
[06:42] <phobiac> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=309424
[06:42] <phobiac> That might work, I'll have to try it.
[06:43] <phobiac> Wait no, what exactly does xmodmap do?
[06:43] <LjL> phobiac: hm no i'm quite sure that wasn't the solution i used
[06:43] <LjL> phobiac: but the problem definitely seems to be related to upgrading from dapper to edgy
[06:44] <phobiac> Yes, odd.
[06:44] <LjL> phobiac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67612 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/77515
[06:44] <phobiac> http://lwn.net/Articles/175287/
[06:44] <devilsadvocate> did anyone try installing the kde4 dev. snapshot?
[06:44] <phobiac> The second comment, is that what you did?
[06:45] <grazie> I lost sound after updating some packages. Any suggestions on isolating the problem?
[06:46] <erhanr> grazie: did you try  $ sudo alsaconf   ?
[06:46] <LjL> phobiac: "create a symlink (/usr/share/X11/xkb -> /etc/X11/xkb)" <- yes this is quite possible
[06:46] <LjL> cannot swear on the directories, but it was definitely something like that
[06:47] <phobiac> How do I create a symlink?
[06:47] <LjL> phobiac: ln -s <target-file> <symlink>
[06:47] <LjL> phobiac: you'll need sudo for creating a symlink in /usr
[06:47] <phobiac> Thank you
[06:48] <LjL> phobiac: so sudo ln -s /usr/share/X11/xkb /etc/X11/xdb
[06:48] <LjL> err phobiac, no the opposite
[06:48] <LjL> phobiac: so sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xdb /usr/share/X11/xkb
[06:48] <erhanr> :) that not connect internet makes me crazy
[06:48] <phobiac> Thank you very much, let me see if that fixes it.
[06:49] <LjL> phobiac: please let me know if it does
[06:49] <phobiac> No, it didn't. :(
[06:50] <LjL> phobiac: restart X
[06:50] <LjL> phobiac: if that command gave no error, that is
[06:50] <phobiac> I know how to start x, how do you stop it?
[06:51] <LjL> phobiac: sudo invoke-rc.d stop -- but you can just press ctrl+alt+backspace
[06:51] <LjL> err, that would be sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop
[06:55] <bitbyte> can anyone link me to a good howto for adding dapper-backports to my adept repository? I need Konversation 1.0
[06:56] <LjL> Ubotu, tell bitbyte about backports | bitbyte, see the private message from Ubotu
[06:56] <bitbyte> thx
[06:57] <bitbyte> or would updating from kubuntu 5.05 to 5.10 be a better solution?
[06:57] <bitbyte> er
[06:57] <bitbyte> 6.06, sorry
[06:59] <stdin> bitbyte: what are you running now ?
[06:59] <bitbyte> 6.06
[07:00] <LjL> phobiac: so any luck?
[07:00] <andre> hello everyone
[07:00] <phobiac> Logging back in made my computer freeze, probably because I tried to start a few too many things at once. Anyway it didn't work.
[07:01] <stdin> !upgrade
[07:01] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:01] <stdin> bitbyte: there are instructions there ^^
[07:01] <LjL> phobiac: do a "ls /usr/share/X11/xkb -l" please
[07:02] <LjL> phobiac: and, besides the contents, tell me what color the last name is
[07:02] <andre> hey everyone,  I have a a harddrive that device manager recognises, but I cannot find in computer... Is there anyone that could help me out?
[07:02] <francesco_> question why is eclipse to slow on kubuntu?
[07:02] <degun> bye
[07:02] <bitbyte> stdin: is it easier to just use the al installer to upgrade it?
[07:02] <bitbyte> alternate* installer
[07:02] <francesco_> have installed eclipse from repository
[07:02] <phobiac> Okay, I think whatever I did messed something up. My computer is running 10x slower then it should be.
[07:03] <stdin> bitbyte: it will use the packages from the CD, rather than the network
[07:03] <francesco_> and a code compl... is to slow
[07:03] <phobiac> total 4
[07:03] <phobiac> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-11-11 15:51 compiled
[07:03] <phobiac> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   12 2007-01-27 12:49 xkb -> /etc/X11/xk
[07:03] <francesco_> eclipse make me crazy
[07:03] <bitbyte> yes, i am downloading the 6.10 dvd right now, i had planned on using it to do an upgrade, would doing it some other route be a better solution?
[07:04] <phobiac> The last file is lightblue -> darker blue
[07:04] <LjL> phobiac: ok (i assume you just skipped the last character from the past)
[07:04] <andre> hey everyone,  I have a a harddrive that device manager recognises, but I cannot find in computer... Is there anyone that could help me out?
[07:04] <LjL> phobiac: what is that "compiled" thing though?
[07:04] <phobiac> Oh oops, I must have. There should have been a b at the end of it.
[07:04] <stdin> bitbyte: well, there is an "official" way, and a "painless" way
[07:04] <phobiac> I honestly have no idea.
[07:05] <bitbyte> i want the painless way, hehe
[07:05] <phobiac> It's a folder with a readme file.
[07:05] <erhanr> i solved my problem
[07:05] <erhanr>  DNS: The same DNS as the first PC
[07:05] <phobiac> "The X server uses this directory to store the compiled version of the
[07:05] <erhanr> its weird but its
[07:06] <stdin> bitbyte: the official way with the cd/dvd is to run "kdesu sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade", but the other way is to follow instructions here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[07:06] <phobiac> current keymap and/or any scratch keymaps used by clients." Fist line in the file.
[07:06] <LjL> phobiac: oh, that means you already had that directory
[07:06] <LjL> phobiac: the link wasn't created in the right position
[07:06] <bitbyte> ok, thats the link you already gave me
[07:07] <stdin> bitbyte: you can add the cd/dvd as a source before to use the packages on the cd/dvd with "sudo apt-cdrom add" (after you burn it)
[07:07] <bitbyte> is the "official way" problematic?
[07:07] <LjL> phobiac: does it *only* contain a readme file?
[07:07] <phobiac> There's two folders in /usr/share/X11/xkb
[07:07] <phobiac> One is named compiled, the other is (I assume) the symlink.
[07:07] <LjL> phobiac: you assume right... but in compiled, there's only a readme?
[07:07] <phobiac> Yes
[07:07] <bitbyte> so if i boot off the 6.10 dvd, there's not an upgrade selection?
[07:07] <stdin> bitbyte: yeah, because some of the main packages have changed names, and Kubuntu doesn't have a nice way to make sure it gets the correct dependences like Ubuntu does
[07:08] <LjL> phobiac: then "sudo rm /usr/share/X11/xkb -r", take care typing this of course
[07:08] <stdin> bitbyte: no, you don't boot from it
[07:08] <bitbyte> ok, thanks
[07:08] <stdin> bitbyte: you use it as on apt source
[07:08] <bitbyte> ok
[07:08] <LjL> phobiac: then make the link again, "sudo ln -s /etc/X11/xdb /usr/share/X11/xkb"
[07:08] <bitbyte> i'll follow the instructions in the link you gave me
[07:08] <bitbyte> thanks for the help
[07:08] <LjL> phobiac: or perhaps just make a backup instead of removing
[07:08] <stdin> you're welcome :)
[07:09] <LjL> phobiac: sudo mv /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/X11/xkb-backup
[07:09] <LjL> then recreate the link anyway
[07:09] <phobiac> I already removed it.
[07:09] <LjL> phobiac: well, that's ok, it didn't really contain anything anyway
[07:09] <phobiac> Now there's a link witha little lock symbol on it in /usr/share/X11
[07:10] <LjL> phobiac: ok, try the keyboard layout applet
[07:10] <phobiac> Aha, it works!
[07:10] <LjL> cool
[07:10] <phobiac> Thank you :D
[07:10] <LjL> i'll add this to the bug report, it's about time someone fixes it ;)
[07:11] <phobiac> So just modify one of these layouts to be dvorak?
[07:12] <djwilcox> hi just trying to change my sources.list - but a bit baffled
[07:12] <phobiac> Ohh okay, there's a layout variant option.
[07:12] <LjL> phobiac: yes, that's the idea
[07:12] <LjL> not sure if you can use two layouts with the same nationality though
[07:13] <LjL> but i guess you could just use, say a US layout an a US-extended one - if you're in the US
[07:13] <phobiac> It works. Just added a us layout and chaged the layout variant to dvorak.
[07:13] <phobiac> How do I switch though?
[07:13] <djwilcox> found several different sets of instructions on google but not sure which is right
[07:13] <LjL> phobiac: apply that, and go back to system settings
[07:13] <phobiac> Okay
[07:13] <LjL> phobiac: go to keyboard & mouse, keyboard shortcuts
[07:14] <LjL> phobiac: in the "Search" box, type "layout"
[07:14] <phobiac> Aha, found it.
[07:14] <phobiac> It's right at the bottom, alt+ctrl+K
[07:14] <LjL> phobiac: click on the entry, then click on the big key icon at the bottom, and choose your key
[07:14] <LjL> phobiac: well i use Pause, it's basically unused and it's handy
[07:15] <LjL> phobiac: you can also have a panel icon to switch if you prefer
[07:15] <LjL> phobiac: that's in the settings you were in before, the following tab
[07:16] <phobiac> Ahaha, for a second there I couldn't find the K key and couldn't switch back.
[07:16] <phobiac> I'll think I'll set it to pause...it doesn't move around.
[07:16] <phobiac> Thank you very much.
[07:16] <LjL> right =)
[07:16] <LjL> yw
[07:17] <phobiac> I'm off now
[07:17] <djwilcox> anyone know where to look for sources.list for edgy
[07:18] <djwilcox> want to install vlc + lamp
[07:19] <LjL> !easysource | djwilcox
[07:19] <ubotu> djwilcox: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:19] <LjL> !lamp
[07:19] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:20] <LjL> !vlc
[07:20] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:20] <eimajenthat> Is it possibe to get Flash Player for Konqueror?
[07:20] <devilsadvocate> djwilcox, /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:20] <LjL> eimajenthat: most certainly
[07:20] <LjL> Ubotu, tell eimajenthat about flash | eimajenthat, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:20] <djwilcox> cheers
[07:20] <LjL> eimajenthat: there should be conqueror instructions on the page
[07:20] <LjL> djwilcox: vlc is sudo apt-get install vlc, it's in universe
[07:20] <djwilcox> linux nube just switched from mac osx
[07:20] <eimajenthat> LjL: thanks much, sorry I didn't think of asking the bot myself
[07:21] <LjL> eimajenthat: just remember to rescan for plugins in konqueror if it doesn't seem to work at first try
[07:21] <djwilcox> think i need to set up universe in the souces.list
[07:21] <LjL> Ubotu, tell djwilcox about repos | djwilcox, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:21] <LjL> djwilcox: either use the instructions i just sent you, or use source-o-matic
[07:27] <TheHermit> How to add beryl to sesion
[07:28] <ziza> hey ppl, is there an alternative to cdrecord on linux. it seems like it doesn't want to burn a cd for me :( (using it through k3b)
[07:28] <djwilcox> how do i right click with a one button mouse
[07:28] <Ilpo> Which cd-player you have?
[07:29] <djwilcox> is there a setting in the system prefs for the keyboard 2 chnge this
[07:30] <ziza> my cd-recorder is Plextor PX-W4012A
[07:31] <Ilpo> ziza, you can search with Google and keywords of those plextor and cdrecord and perhaps linux
[07:31] <ziza> cdrecord apparently demands a cue-sheet, but i don't have one. why should i need one? i'm just trying to burn a simple knoppix cd (and a kubuntu cd after that)
[07:32] <ziza> ah, i'll try to write in RAW-mode :)
[07:32] <ziza> read that in the error message
[07:32] <ziza> hope that'll work
[07:33] <erik> i need help with apt and sources.list - what addresses shal i put there to be able to install superkaramba?
[07:34] <erik> anyone?
[07:35] <djwilcox> someone pointed me to this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:36] <djwilcox> im trying to work out how to change sources.list
[07:36] <djwilcox> but i cant work out how to right click using a one button mouse
[07:36] <djwilcox> ahhhhhhhh
[07:36] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ctrl-click, shift-click?
[07:36] <djwilcox> ill try
[07:37] <djwilcox> i cant right click with ctrl or shift
[07:37] <|Daisuke_Ido|> hmm
[07:38] <ziza> do you have a context key on your keyboard?
[07:38] <djwilcox> do i need to change th system prefs for keyboard
[07:38] <djwilcox> mac keyboard
[07:38] <ziza> bad luck :)
[07:38] <|Daisuke_Ido|> might be better to change system prefs for the mouse
[07:38] <djwilcox> linux nube - how do i do that
[07:39] <djwilcox> first day on linux
[07:39] <TheHermit> plz any one know to add beryl window manager to the session
[07:39] <TheHermit> how*
[07:41] <ziza> goddamn cd-recorder. it just hangs now when i want to burn something using the RAW option. but i managed to burn a gentoo, kubuntu cd earlier using linux. :(
[07:44] <ziza> doesn't want to spit out the blank cd, although it's just a simulation. :((
[07:51] <andre> hello all again :)
[07:52] <FreshPrince> Phlosten, cpk1
[07:52] <FreshPrince> stdin, yre u here?
[07:52] <stdin> um, yeah, for a bit
[07:53] <FreshPrince> stdin, ok :D u remember my problem yesterday?
[07:53] <FreshPrince> my question about encoding movie to vcd
[07:53] <stdin> ah, yeah, I think  :P
[07:53] <FreshPrince> heeh
[07:53] <FreshPrince> well i already did that
[07:54] <FreshPrince> but the movie is now about 1 GB..
[07:54] <FreshPrince> why this? oO
[07:54] <FreshPrince> 1.7G    Baabul-1.mpg
[07:54] <stdin> how long is it (time)?
[07:54] <FreshPrince> ehm.. wait
[07:55] <FreshPrince> acutally the movie is
[07:55] <FreshPrince> 698M
[07:55] <FreshPrince> but now after encoding to vcd. its 1.7 GB -.-
[07:56] <stdin> what, before you used ffmpeg it was 698MB ?
[07:56] <FreshPrince> how can i check how long it is ?
[07:56] <FreshPrince> stdin, yes
[07:56] <stdin> what format was it in?
[07:56] <FreshPrince> .avi
[07:57] <stdin> try hovering your cursor over it, and see if you get the time, or in properties -> Meta info
[07:57] <stdin> and see if you can see a codec
[07:58] <FreshPrince> Selected audio codec: [mp3]  afm: mp3lib (mp3lib MPEG layer-2, layer-3)
[07:58] <FreshPrince> oO
[07:59] <FreshPrince> Selected video codec: [mpeg12]  vfm: libmpeg2 (MPEG-1 or 2 (libmpeg2))
[07:59] <stdin> is that the avi ?
[07:59] <FreshPrince> no
[08:00] <FreshPrince> the .mpg
[08:00] <FreshPrince> the vcd one
[08:00] <stdin> look at the avi one
[08:00] <FreshPrince> Selected video codec: [ffodivx]  vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)
[08:01] <FreshPrince> ah ok i got it
[08:01] <FreshPrince> i can see it with gmplayer
[08:01] <FreshPrince> the movie is 02:49:00 long
[08:01] <FreshPrince> from avi
[08:02] <stdin> ahh, that's probably too long
[08:02] <FreshPrince> and the .mpg one is 02:49:01
[08:02] <stdin> cds can only have about 80mins of video on them
[08:02] <FreshPrince> too long?
[08:02] <FreshPrince> ah..
[08:02] <FreshPrince> ys right..
[08:02] <FreshPrince> your right.. hm
[08:02] <FreshPrince> hehe
[08:02] <FreshPrince> shit :D
[08:02] <stdin> merde
[08:02] <stdin> ^^ french
[08:03] <FreshPrince> that means i need a dvd to watch them on a dvd player
[08:03] <stdin> yaeh
[08:03] <FreshPrince> stdin, yes i know ;) tu parlais francais bien? :P
[08:03] <FreshPrince> u are from uk :)
[08:03] <stdin> dude, I can't speak french, only swear in it :P
[08:04] <FreshPrince> hehe :D
[08:04] <stdin> yeah, im from the uk
[08:04] <FreshPrince> uk is nice ;)
[08:04] <stdin> cold atm tho
[08:04] <FreshPrince> yup know :)
[08:04] <genii> !lives
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lives - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:05] <genii> Hmm
[08:05] <FreshPrince> ^^
[08:05] <zyth> Can anyone tell me why, when I'm copying 27 gb of files from one HD to the other, some apps just dont open when I run them? (Amaroq, for instance)
[08:05] <FreshPrince> hm
[08:05] <zyth> once the copy finishes, it opens fine
[08:05] <underdog5004> hangovers just plain suck!
[08:05] <underdog5004> zyth, you may be exhausting your RAM cache
[08:05] <FreshPrince> stdin, well i came in this channel for help... -> k3b ^^ but i'm not a kubuntu user
[08:05] <zyth> underdog5004: shouldn't my swap help w/ that?
[08:05] <underdog5004> hey genii
[08:06] <underdog5004> zyth, yeah, you'd think...how big is it?
[08:06] <zyth> my swap? umm one sec
[08:06] <underdog5004> lol, my swap is bigger than your swap...
[08:06] <stdin> FreshPrince: there is also #kde
[08:06] <FreshPrince> stdin, yes i know. :)
[08:06] <zyth> hm I don't seem to have that KDE partition tool
[08:06] <zyth> odd.
[08:07] <underdog5004> zyth, do top in a konsole
[08:07] <underdog5004> you should be able to see it, I believe...
[08:07] <underdog5004> maybe fdisk -l ...not sure about that one
[08:07] <stdin> but now I'm going to eat my dinner, it's 7pm and I'm hungry, back soon :)
[08:07] <zyth> ok
[08:07] <underdog5004> syl stdin
[08:07] <genii> underdog5004 Hiya matthew
[08:08] <zyth> 3028212k total, 3010536k free
[08:08] <zyth> so its not the swap ;)
[08:08] <underdog5004> genii, have you heard of irish carbombs? I had 5
[08:09] <underdog5004> zyth, hmmm, I don't know then...sorry
[08:09] <underdog5004> genii, any ideas?
[08:09] <zyth> underdog5004: and DMA is on.. well, not on the SATA drive, it doesnt seem to like dma
[08:09] <zyth> but on my IDE drive it's on.
[08:09] <underdog5004> zyth...and are you transferring from hard drive to hard drive or over a network?
[08:09] <zyth> HD to HD
[08:10] <zyth> um /dev/hdd to /dev/sda
[08:10] <zyth> both are ext3 partitions
[08:10] <underdog5004> hmm, I don't know
[08:10] <zyth> yeah, its weird.
[08:10] <zyth> just turns my system to goo.  lol
[08:10] <underdog5004> lol, are you on a livecd?
[08:11] <zyth> nup, installed to HD
[08:11] <zyth> havent changed my kernel to an i686 one yet, still using stock
[08:11] <zyth> but I don't see that making a difference
[08:11] <genii> underdog5004 Is that some mixed drink? Otherwise I understand irish carbombs to be a result of the IRA at work ...
[08:12] <soulrider> !cedega
[08:12] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[08:12] <zyth> ...and it doesnt' run Guild Wars properly.  Boo.
[08:13] <underdog5004> I remember having that problem when I used DSL (Damn Small Linux)
[08:13] <zyth> hm
[08:13] <zyth> ever find out what caused it?
[08:13] <underdog5004> genii, you drop a half/half shot of baileys and whisky into a pint of guiness
[08:14] <underdog5004> zyth, nope, just let it chug away
[08:14] <zyth> lol
[08:14] <underdog5004> man, I hate puking...puked my 100 dollar retainer into the toilet last night...then flushed...
[08:15] <zyth> k.. copy done
[08:15] <zyth> works fine now
[08:15] <zyth> haha
[08:15] <FreshPrince> anyway... that for the help
[08:15] <genii> underdog5004 Lots of gatorade is my suggestion... rehydration
[08:15] <FreshPrince> @ stdin
[08:15] <FreshPrince> *thanks
[08:16] <zyth> I use water.
[08:16] <zyth> lol
[08:16] <zyth> but I don't get hung over, ever
[08:16] <underdog5004> meh, I've been hearing grease...grease and water...
[08:17] <underdog5004> apparently the grease absorbs the alky...
[08:17] <zyth> alcohol is fat soluble
[08:17] <underdog5004> my first time getting drunk...oh well
[08:17] <underdog5004> zyth, that's good, right?
[08:17] <underdog5004> lol
[08:17] <genii> Well, I used to always go eat a huge breakfast of bacon and eggs after a rough night which seems to help if you can keep it down
[08:18] <soulrider> !upgrade
[08:18] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[08:18] <underdog5004> got two mcdonalds hash browns and a sausage mcmuffin...
[08:18] <underdog5004> I'm loving it...
[08:18] <zyth> yes, I am sure you are
[08:18] <zyth> eww
[08:18] <zyth> lol
[08:18] <underdog5004> and a big cup of OJ
[08:19] <jhutchins> Yeah, replace electrolytes.  Sugar in reasonable quantities helps break down some of the nasties.
[08:19] <underdog5004> genii, which program do you use for irc server?
[08:19] <jhutchins> Exercise helps a lot.
[08:19] <underdog5004> jhutchins, gotcha covered...oj and walked to work...
[08:19] <underdog5004> the whole 5 blocks
[08:19] <genii> underdog5004 hybrid7
[08:19] <underdog5004> lol
[08:19] <underdog5004> available in repos?
[08:20] <genii> underdog5004 and en eggrop bot to monitor channels
[08:20] <underdog5004> genii, you use a bot to keep channels open?
[08:20] <johnn> hi is there a way to find out which packages are installed from 3rd party repos? (something like apt-cache policy for all packages) ?
[08:20] <genii> underdog5004 Yeah it's in there ... I think name is like ircd-hybrid   or similar
[08:20] <underdog5004> ok
[08:20] <underdog5004> genii, lotta config involved?
[08:21] <genii> yes
[08:21] <underdog5004> ah, I'm finally keeping food down...yay
[08:21] <underdog5004> bummer
[08:21] <underdog5004> I hate config...oh well...
[08:21] <zyth> why is java asking me to agree to a dlj license, isnt it GPL now?
[08:21] <underdog5004> It's amazing the wealth of knowledge available to me here...everything from hangover tips to irc server help
[08:21] <djwilcox> hi anyone know to to get a one button mouse to right click
[08:22] <zyth> djwilcox: hold down ctrl I think, or windows key
[08:22] <underdog5004> djwilcox, did you try control+click?
[08:22] <jhutchins> djwilcox: Usually use a mod key as above.
[08:22] <genii> underdog5004: Yeah it's your one-stop info channel ;)
[08:22] <zyth> well unless its an apple
[08:22] <zyth> lol
[08:22] <djwilcox> yer just wont work
[08:22] <underdog5004> yer?
[08:22] <djwilcox> yer using an apple keyboard and mouse
[08:22] <jhutchins> djwilcox: Try the apple, shift, and splat keys.
[08:22] <djwilcox> whats splat
[08:22] <underdog5004> splat...nice
[08:22] <underdog5004> the splat sigh
[08:22] <underdog5004> sign
[08:23] <underdog5004> cloverleaf
[08:23] <underdog5004> lol, got an old performa 6360 here in the shop
[08:23] <genii> "option" key LOL
[08:23] <djwilcox> i going to hunt down pingu and kill him if i cant get this mouse working
[08:24] <underdog5004> pingu? who is he and why?
[08:24] <djwilcox> pingu is a penguin
[08:24] <genii> underdog5004: I just stripped an old ppc 603 and tossed most of it. Cleaning out my lab to bring the total number down to about 30 systems
[08:25] <zyth> djwilcox: spend the $5 for a 2 button optical mouse w/ scroll?
[08:25] <djwilcox> yer i know
[08:25] <YumeNoEien> hi everyone
[08:25] <djwilcox> damn apple with their one button mouse
[08:25] <YumeNoEien> lol
[08:25] <YumeNoEien> i feel your pain dj
[08:26] <djwilcox> alt f12 seems to bring up right click
[08:26] <YumeNoEien> -.-
[08:26] <djwilcox> trying to right click in package manager
[08:26] <zyth> djwilcox: google it, I am sure you can map ctrl+click to button 2
[08:26] <djwilcox> thats what i thought
[08:26] <YumeNoEien> hey does anyone know how to check in the terminal if kubuntu recognizes your modem?
[08:26] <djwilcox> spend half my life googling 4 stuff
[08:27] <YumeNoEien> :)
[08:27] <zyth> imagine if we had no google and all had to use excite or webcrawler or some crap
[08:27] <zyth> eww.
[08:27] <YumeNoEien> i used to use dogpile
[08:27] <zyth> same
[08:27] <zyth> cause it did everything
[08:27] <YumeNoEien> indeed
[08:27] <YumeNoEien> a google acestor
[08:27] <YumeNoEien> in a way
[08:27] <genii> before google webcrawler used to be my fave
[08:28] <zyth> altavista was good
[08:28] <zyth> at one point
[08:28] <YumeNoEien> ive always hated ask jeeves
[08:28] <YumeNoEien> with that anoying image of that annoying butler
[08:28] <genii> YumeNoEien: What kind of modem are you trying to set up?
[08:29] <YumeNoEien> i have no idea, but i set up kubuntu on my laptop, which was bought with windows
[08:29] <YumeNoEien> now i think i have some modem specifically for windows
[08:29] <zyth> yeah prolly
[08:29] <YumeNoEien> dangit
[08:29] <YumeNoEien> not what i wanted to hear
[08:30] <genii> You should look up the specs for your system on the manufacturer's website. May be a "winmodem" in which case you'll need to do some compiling or so on
[08:30] <YumeNoEien> eep, ie just learned the ls and cd commands
[08:30] <YumeNoEien> i couldnt compile even if i knew what that was
[08:30] <YumeNoEien> im pretty new to linux
[08:31] <Bxnp> how can i build a deb package from source
[08:31] <genii> If it's an Intel537 or Lucent there are drivers you can install without much problem. But Conexant are a headache
[08:31] <YumeNoEien> :(
[08:31] <Tpm_bwana> I have a dual-boot system. I have 20G HD space devoted to Ubuntu Mint, and 60G HD space to Kubuntu. I would like to change this to 10G Kubuntu, and 70G to Mint. Any way to do this with say..QTparted, without reinstalling one or the other?
[08:32] <YumeNoEien> can i find out what kind of modem i have if i go to the root/dev and do an ls command?
[08:32] <genii> no
[08:32] <Tpm_bwana> genii-that to me?
[08:32] <YumeNoEien> oh right, if it doesnt recognize it, it cant name it ^
[08:33] <genii> Sometimes the command lspci will tell you something but a lot of these winmodems don't even report to the pci controller
[08:33] <YumeNoEien> icic
[08:33] <YumeNoEien> YES!
[08:33] <YumeNoEien> intel modem
[08:33] <genii> Tpm_bwana: No, was to YumeNoEien
[08:34] <genii> Intel 537 or 536 type?
[08:34] <Tpm_bwana> I have a dual-boot system. I have 20G HD space devoted to Ubuntu Mint, and 60G HD space to Kubuntu. I would like to change this to 10G Kubuntu, and 70G to Mint. Any way to do this with say..QTparted, without reinstalling one or the other?
[08:34] <YumeNoEien> genii: a long cloud of text, but neither of those numbers
[08:35] <zyth> Tpm_bwana: you alrady asked once, spamming the same question every 3 minutes won't help
[08:35] <YumeNoEien> genii: il just type it over
[08:35] <Tpm_bwana> But your scolding me will? oh big guru?
[08:36] <genii> YumeNoEien: There is a utility on the linmodem site to probe modems. I'll see if I can find the url for ya
[08:36] <YumeNoEien> genii: thanks a lot :)
[08:36] <YumeNoEien> wow i got more help than i expected
[08:36] <zyth> hahah
[08:36] <zyth> Amarok is on crack
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> lol, whats it doing?
[08:37] <zyth> its showing the wrong CD art in context view
[08:37] <zyth> like. its got my songs confused
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> hehe
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> reboot :p
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> on the other hand
[08:37] <zyth> serious?
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> it doesnt really matter right?
[08:37] <johnn> it's like "rediscover your music" :p
[08:37] <YumeNoEien> also dont take my advice, i know nothing :p
[08:38] <genii> The file: http://132.68.73.235/linmodems/packages/scanModem.gz The main page with instructions and so on: http://132.68.73.235/linmodems/index.html#scanModem
[08:38] <YumeNoEien> genii: TY!
[08:38] <underdog5004> man, i hate modems
[08:38] <YumeNoEien> i love them, just not when they arent working
[08:38] <underdog5004> dialers, anyway
[08:38] <genii> YumeNoEien: Once you know more the specific type or chipset it will be easier to find the right way to go about installing it
[08:39] <YumeNoEien> genii: thank you, im gonna visit that link right now
[08:39] <johnn> i just got an good old external usr modem for fax ;)
[08:39] <johnn> worked for like.. 10 years ;)
[08:41] <underdog5004> nice, just set up an old pci usr controller based modem...minimal hassle
[08:41] <zyth> well, it got the album info for the kid's wiggle song right
[08:41] <zyth> go figure.
[08:41] <underdog5004> zyth, that's hilarious
[08:41] <underdog5004> !
[08:41] <genii> underdog5004: Yeah USR rocks
[08:42] <tethylis> exec kdeversion
[08:43] <underdog5004> genii, lol, had to scavenge for it in the boneyard at the shop...lol
[08:44] <underdog5004> we've got a bunch of ISA modems...
[08:44] <zyth> ISA?
[08:44] <zyth> eww
[08:44] <underdog5004> yeah
[08:44] <zyth> that.,, is scary
[08:44] <underdog5004> my sentiments exactly...
[08:44] <zyth> at least none of em are winmodems
[08:44] <zyth> lol
[08:44] <Minataku> Heya, genii :D
[08:44] <underdog5004> I think the average proc speed in the boneyard is about 400 Mhz
[08:45] <underdog5004> lol, genii has all kinds of friends...
[08:45] <underdog5004> wish I had friends...
[08:45] <Minataku> He promised me free stuff
[08:45] <Minataku> underdog5004: Do the same and I'll be your friend too
[08:45] <Minataku> XD
[08:45] <underdog5004> lol, I promised him free stuff
[08:46] <underdog5004> Minataku, got a bridge I can sell you...nice location, very close to alcatraz...
[08:46] <underdog5004> a bit misty at times...
[08:46] <underdog5004> hell, I"ll give it to you, just c'mon by and pick it up
[08:46] <FreshPrince> re
[08:46] <goop2> how do you open a '.run' file?
[08:47] <genii> Minataku Hiya :)
[08:47] <zyth> sh blah.run
[08:47] <goop2> thanks
[08:47] <underdog5004> zyth, proper etiquette: sh foo.run
[08:47] <underdog5004> lol
[08:47] <underdog5004> jk
[08:47] <zyth> foo!
[08:47] <zyth> ;)
[08:47] <Minataku> underdog5004: rofl
[08:47] <underdog5004> man, I am feelin' better!
[08:47] <goop2> heh
[08:47] <Minataku> underdog5004: Yeah, yeah, a bridge in New York, I've been there and on that bridge... I don't want it
[08:47] <Minataku> XD
[08:48] <Minataku> Wait, wrong coast
[08:48] <Minataku> lol
[08:48] <genii> underdog5004: Actually we had a lot of old Sun equipment, cleaning out the shop. So it's either junk it or give it away basically.
[08:49] <zyth> wtf
[08:49] <zyth> I can't switch users w/o killing my current session in KDE?
[08:49] <Minataku> genii: Speaking of, give me more XD
[08:49] <underdog5004> genii, wanna toss me some?
[08:49] <Minataku> Too late
[08:49] <Minataku> I claimed it all
[08:49] <underdog5004> Minataku, I hate you
[08:50] <zyth> nm found it
[08:50] <Minataku> Nyah
[08:50] <Minataku> XD
[08:50] <jbruckman> what are some reasons that Ktorrent would stall indefinately even though the torrent is good?
[08:50] <genii> Minataku I'll pack whatever the hell will fit in the empty spaces in the box LOL lots of old scsi things and so on. Whatever there is. I just need right now to get access tot he other office things are locked in during the construction
[08:50] <jbruckman> indefinitely*
[08:50] <Minataku> jbruckman: It could be that the torrent actually ISN'T good
[08:50] <underdog5004> jbruckman, had the same problem, use azureus
[08:51] <Minataku> Sorry, underdog5004, I've been on this lead for the past while
[08:51] <underdog5004> jbruckman, or if you can handle command line, rtorrent
[08:51] <jbruckman> Minataku: no, i know the torrent works. same torrent is downloading for a friend.
[08:51] <Minataku> Plus, I'm rabid when it comes to stuff like this
[08:51] <Minataku> Ask genii how I reacted when his boss took my IPC
[08:51] <underdog5004> I love old computers...
[08:51] <jbruckman> underdog5004: never heard of rtorrent. I'll give it a try
[08:51] <Minataku> underdog5004: Same here
[08:51] <Minataku> jbruckman: Hm...
[08:51] <underdog5004> !rtorrent
[08:51] <ubotu> rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[08:51] <Minataku> jbruckman: Maybe ktorrent is bad
[08:51] <Minataku> XD
[08:52] <tanlaan> does easy ubuntu work for kubuntu?
[08:52] <Minataku> genii: toss in some HDDs and SCSI CD-ROM drives if any
[08:52] <genii> underdog5004: I have this ancient thing called an Alex terminal if you want something of museum-quality LOL
[08:52] <Minataku> Those buggers are hard to get
[08:52] <Minataku> I WANT IT
[08:52] <underdog5004> lol
[08:52] <jbruckman> Minataku: Well, to be honost, I'm on a school network and trying to sneak out on port 80--which my friend downstairs is managing successfully
[08:52] <Minataku> XD
[08:52] <Minataku> jbruckman: Ah
[08:52] <jbruckman> Minataku: However, I can't seem to get it to work.
[08:52] <genii> Minataku I actually have some scsi cd and so on. They are not try-loadrers tho
[08:52] <jbruckman> Minataku: His name is Admiral_Chicago, perhaps you know him?
[08:52] <genii> tray-loaders
[08:53] <Minataku> genii: That's perfectly fine
[08:53] <Minataku> I just bought two caddies
[08:53] <Minataku> lol
[08:53] <Minataku> The LX I won on eBay came with a caddy drive
[08:53] <Minataku> So I'm set there
[08:53] <tanlaan> Minataku what are you trying to do with these old parts?
[08:53] <Minataku> USe them
[08:53] <genii> OK, np then. I think they are mainly Toshiba. No Plextor
[08:53] <Minataku> I've got my SPARCstation 10 running right now
[08:53] <underdog5004> lol, I know admiral_chicago
[08:53] <Minataku> genii: Toshiba very good
[08:53] <tanlaan> Minataku: haha, nice
[08:54] <Minataku> jbruckman: Nope, don't know him, sorry
[08:54] <jbruckman> Minataku: kk. Anywya, I'm going to go work on this. Thanks for the info!
[08:54] <Minataku> jbruckman: np
[08:55] <Minataku> tanlaan: It's the middle of a SPARC stack
[08:55] <tanlaan> Minataku: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARCstation
[08:55] <genii> btw anyone know what a mintel terminal is? I have one of those too
[08:55] <Minataku> SPARCstation LX, SPARCstation 10, SPARCstation 5/170
[08:55] <Minataku> genii: I think it's a French thing
[08:55] <underdog5004> those french
[08:56] <dhq> i need a power management tool for my laptop
[08:56] <Minataku> genii: Well, don't overstuff the box, there has to be adequate padding
[08:56] <genii> A page that has pics of both the minitel and the alex terminal if yer interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotex
[08:56] <Minataku> To compensate for how UPS treats packages
[08:56] <Minataku> lol
[08:57] <dhq> !power
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <dhq> !apci
[08:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apci - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:57] <Telroth|Away|Dep> anyone available to help with boot/grub/kernel problems ?
[08:57] <Minataku> !acpi
[08:57] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[08:57] <Minataku> Bleh... should explain what ACPI is
[08:57] <dhq> Minataku: is there cpu throttle etc
[08:58] <Minataku> dhq: Yeah, that's all usually handled by ACPI
[08:58] <genii> Minataku I have an excellent box-packing method :) I place everything slightly in from all the edges inside of a plastic bag then fill the cracks with expanding foam
[08:58] <Minataku> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[08:58] <Telroth|Away|Dep> Advanced (Computer?) Power Interface
[08:58] <Minataku> genii: Awesome, pack it in then :D
[08:58] <Telroth|Away|Dep> ah
[08:58] <underdog5004> genii, whoa...
[08:58] <YumeAFK> genii: thanks i used scanModem
[08:58] <Minataku> Successor to APM - Advanced Power Management
[08:58] <YumeAFK> i worked and made three files i cant make sense of but
[08:59] <YumeAFK> the site said i could mail one of the text files and a volunteer might help
[08:59] <genii> YumeAFK: Well, the webpage shows how to decipher the files. But the main thing is to find the most exact model name possible
[08:59] <YumeNoEien> k
[09:00] <helpz0r> hey i'm trying to install kubuntu from the live cd but everytime i press next after choosing my keyboard layout the screen goes all nuts with diaganol lines; can you install it from the console instead?
[09:00] <dhq> Minataku: i have acpi installed but i dont seem to controle throttle etc
[09:00] <tanlaan> speaking of old computers, ive been thinking about trying to get ahold of an old apple IIgs and try learning a programming language for it
[09:00] <genii> YumeAFK:Basically, if it's a 536 or 537 model there are drivers not too hard to install. If it's some Conexant chipset it will be a bit of an ordeal
[09:01] <Minataku> dhq: It may be controlled by the CPU itself, but you'd probably do best looking into the ACPI capabilities of your laptop
[09:01] <zorroviejo> hi people
[09:01] <Minataku> Old computers rule, I've got loads of them XD
[09:01] <dhq> Minataku: how do i do that
[09:01] <Minataku> Pisses my parents off but I don't give a flying fart
[09:01] <Minataku> dhq: Well, there's /proc/acpi
[09:01] <Minataku> Which lists a lot of interesting information
[09:02] <Minataku> I keep forgetting that 99% of the people in here don't know what a CLI is because Windows never showed them one >.<
[09:02] <tanlaan> Minataku: how old are you? *you said it pissed off your parents*
[09:02] <Minataku> tanlaan: 21
[09:02] <Minataku> Uni is ~12mi away
[09:03] <Minataku> Living at home is $6000/yr cheaper
[09:03] <Minataku> lol
[09:03] <tanlaan> Minataku: ahh, haha yes it really is, and im only 16
[09:03] <dhq> Minataku: it says it a directory
[09:03] <Minataku> dhq: It is, there's files in there with info, but you're probably not too good with the CLI
[09:04] <Minataku> Look into that ACPI program
[09:04] <Minataku> !acpi
[09:04] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[09:04] <Minataku> .by ? Where is that :o
[09:04] <Minataku> Belarus
[09:04] <Minataku> lol
[09:05] <YumeHasAClue> Genii: "deducing cogent software" means it found the driver i need right?
[09:06] <Minataku> Whenever I need to do practically anything in Linux I pop open an xterm, I constantly forget that it's a scary thing to most brand-new Linux users
[09:07] <YumeHasAClue> Minataku, i had the same termphobia your talking about
[09:07] <Minataku> lol
[09:07] <Minataku> I never had it
[09:07] <tanlaan> im confused, i double clicked on a .deb and it opened up Ark, but that gave me an error saying it wasnt in my path and that i should please install the software
[09:07] <YumeHasAClue> just teach them some basic stuff and its all fun
[09:07] <underdog5004> Minataku, yeah, I remember that time of my life...I was mainly scared because one, I knew nothing about it and two, because I knew it would take a while to learn it
[09:07] <Minataku> I started on a 386 with DOS and Windows 3.1
[09:07] <underdog5004> tanlaan, right-click and use the package manager
[09:08] <YumeHasAClue> when i use cd or ls i feel like im in a matrix scene :)
[09:08] <Minataku> So I was never a stranger to the CLI
[09:08] <Minataku> YumeHasAClue: lol
[09:08] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, wasn't that cool in reloaded? I loved that scene cause it's what she really would have done!
[09:08] <Minataku> I just know really easy ways to do things... but they're all CLI-based XD
[09:08] <genii> YumeHasAClue: No, "deducing cogent software" means unfortunately the modem is an intel modem based on a conexant chipset
[09:08] <tanlaan> underdog5004: didnt think i needed to do that *its easyubuntu* but thanks
[09:08] <underdog5004> np
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> argh: people should start telling me only stuff i want to hear :)
[09:09] <Minataku> lol
[09:09] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, rofl
[09:09] <underdog5004> become rich and famous
[09:09] <underdog5004> or take over the world, it's your choice
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> Genii "Yume, just type 'its okay' and all will be solved
[09:09] <HymnToLife> YumeHasAClue, you will be run over by a beer truck
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> Yume:'it worked!'
[09:09] <YumeHasAClue> xD
[09:10] <underdog5004> know what works for me? rm -R /
[09:10] <underdog5004> jk
[09:10] <underdog5004> don't ever do that
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> lol
[09:10] <underdog5004> EVER
[09:10] <Minataku> underdog5004: You should be run out of here for suggesting it
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> ive read enough bash.org to understand that command
[09:10] <YumeHasAClue> hehehe
[09:10] <underdog5004> don't worry, I just gouged one of my eyes out as punishment
[09:10] <HymnToLife> methinks rm -R / won't do anything
[09:11] <HymnToLife> because the dir is not empty
[09:11] <underdog5004> really?
[09:11] <underdog5004> -R does it
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> yeah, only if rf
[09:11] <Minataku> It might delete a few things before crapping
[09:11] <underdog5004> oh, whoops...
[09:11] <tanlaan> lmao
[09:11] <underdog5004> see? I'm still learning...
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> rm -rf / is the thing you should never do
[09:11] <Minataku> But yeah, that one won't cause too much damage
[09:11] <Minataku> ...
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:11] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:11] <underdog5004> YumeHasAClue, you should be run out of here for suggesting that
[09:11] <underdog5004> lol
[09:12] <genii> YumeHasAClue: Which dist you using?
[09:12] <tanlaan> yea people put "run rm -rf /" in signatures on forums
[09:12] <YumeHasAClue> dont worry i gauged one of your eyes out as punishment
[09:12] <excitatory> that still wouldn't completely destroy ones system without sudo.
[09:12] <underdog5004> When I used windows, on a forum some guy told me that to solve all my virus problems, just type in format c:\
[09:12] <underdog5004> I almost did it
[09:12] <tanlaan> lol
[09:12] <YumeHasAClue> :o
[09:12] <evo> it's not a bad suggestion
[09:13] <Minataku> It wouldn't do it right away
[09:13] <tanlaan> i need to find that IRC story about a guy who hacked himself
[09:13] <Minataku> You'd need to add /y first
[09:13] <YumeHasAClue> windows is like a bad habit im trying to quit :(
[09:13] <Minataku> Then it would do it
[09:13] <Minataku> XD
[09:13] <Minataku> Similar: deltree /y C:\
[09:13] <evo> hacked himself huh
[09:13] <underdog5004> lol, didn't he "hack" 127.0.0.1?
[09:13] <evo> 127.0.0.1 is the pentagon
[09:13] <underdog5004> right
[09:13] <YumeHasAClue> haha use sub7 to get into 127.0.0.1, only cool hackers do that
[09:13] <Minataku> Hm...
[09:14] <evo> ask 0.0.0.0, they'll tell you
[09:14] <Minataku> !127.0.0.1
[09:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 127.0.0.1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:14] <genii> underdog5004: LOL I remember on another forum some guy kept pestering ppl for sites to try and hack. some guy told him that 127.0.0.1 was the hardest, and he spent quite a while trying to run all his kiddie-scripts on it
[09:14] <Minataku> lol
[09:14] <underdog5004> genii, rofl
[09:14] <YumeHasAClue> hahaha
[09:14] <Minataku> !127.0.0.1 is localhost; a loop back to your own system
[09:14] <underdog5004> yeah
[09:14] <YumeHasAClue> im gonna stare at my .txt file and pretend i know what im reading
[09:14] <Minataku> I know, I was putting it in ubotu
[09:15] <Minataku> lol
[09:15] <underdog5004> !127.0.0.1
[09:15] <underdog5004> oh
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 127.0.0.1 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <tanlaan> http://www.webforumz.com/webforumz-cafe/15441-worlds-most-dumb-hacker.htm
[09:15] <Minataku> Yeah, it has to go through approval
[09:15] <underdog5004> !tell
[09:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:15] <genii> What bugs me about Windoze Vista is they spent about 10 minutes covering it on CNN today and didn't mention linux once
[09:15] <underdog5004> ah
[09:15] <Minataku> genii: Windows Vista is what bugs me about Windows Vista
[09:15] <evo> if they're covering vista, why would they cover linux?
[09:16] <coreymon77> !microsoft
[09:16] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:16] <underdog5004> genii, yeah, even though you can get all the functionality and eyecandy on linux for way cheaper
[09:16] <coreymon77> i love that
[09:16] <Minataku> Seriously, though, it's "Treacherous Computing" and "Digital Restrictions Management" that bothers me about Windows Vista
[09:16] <genii> evo Because they were also doing stuff like comparing it to Mac OSX for instance. But more ppl now run linux than OSX
[09:16] <Minataku> Because OSX is even worse
[09:16] <evo> wow, you'r eignorant
 what ping man
[09:16] <underdog5004>  <bitchchecker> the timing of my pc is right
[09:16] <underdog5004>  <bitchchecker> i even have dst
[09:16] <Schuenemann> When I open a program the mouse cursor changes to the program's icon and starts bouncing... is it possible to disable that?
[09:16] <underdog5004> lol
[09:16] <n2aag> does anyone here have experience partitioning mactel machines for kubuntu installations?  qparted wont allow me to create more than 3 partitions
[09:16] <evo> osx is much more popular than linux
[09:16] <Minataku> Schuenemann: Indeed
[09:17] <Schuenemann> where Minataku?
[09:17] <Minataku> It's in the KDE settings panel somewhere
[09:17] <Minataku> I don't use KDE so I don't know XD
[09:17] <excitatory> evo: ah..no linux is far more popular
[09:17] <hatta> popular for what
[09:17] <Minataku> Why anyone would buy a Mac when a more powerful, more free PC is far, far cheaper
[09:17] <underdog5004> I like linux. It keeps me warm at night
[09:17] <hatta> linux is on a lot more smart picture frames than OS X
[09:18] <coreymon77> Minataku: what are you talking about with "treacgerous computing" and "digital restrictions management"
[09:18] <Schuenemann> Minataku: maybe rubberband effect?
[09:18] <Minataku> I like Linux. It keeps me free at night.
[09:18] <evo> linux has 0.37% markeyshare
[09:18] <evo> believe me, osx is much more popular
[09:18] <sampan> schuenemann  hit alt-f2 ... type kcontrol ... then under appearance and themes heading you'll see a "launch feedback" click that
[09:18] <hatta> coreymon77, those are smartass names for "trusted computing" and "digital rights management"
[09:18] <Schuenemann> I never saw a Mac in Brazil
[09:18] <hatta> smartass names, but more accurate
[09:18] <CaBlGuY> how do I go about using my yahoo mail account in Evolution?
[09:19] <Minataku> CaBlGuY: You don't, Yahoo sucks
[09:19] <coreymon77> and what the heck are those
[09:19] <CaBlGuY> anyone else who's not a smart ass?
[09:19] <CaBlGuY> :/
[09:19] <Minataku> coreymon77: They're things you type into Google to find out about them
[09:19] <sampan> schuenemann  in the launch feedback section, on the right you'll see a "busy cursor" heading ... change the setting to "no busy cursor" and the annoying bouncing icons will be gone
[09:19] <Minataku> CaBlGuY: Seriously
[09:19] <genii> They don't really know how many ppl run linux because they only go by how much SALES accounted for that OS. So 0.37% of ppl PAID for linux. But far more are using it
[09:19] <Minataku> You don't
[09:19] <rbugman> can I get a url on how to "fix a signal out of range" error using a NVidia GeForce 5600 card?
[09:19] <Minataku> I'm fairly certain Yahoo doesn't let you use anything other than their web access
[09:20] <Schuenemann> sampan: my KDE is translated, which icon is the launch feedback?
[09:20] <CaBlGuY> so, what your telling me is there is no web based support in Evolution..
[09:20] <n2aag> Minataku: dunno man..    my core 2 macbook was a lot less expensive than the equivalent thinkpad t60
[09:20] <evo> OSX has 1400% more marketshare than linux
[09:20] <HymnToLife> !fixres | rbugman
[09:20] <ubotu> rbugman: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type "sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart" in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:20] <sampan> schuenemann  the one with the rocket ship :)
[09:20] <evo> you people who think otherwise, are super ignorant
[09:20] <Minataku> n2aag: It also has a nice little TPM chip inside and is completely untouchable anyway
[09:20] <n2aag> and, I wasn't forced to pay for windows in the process (yes, I was forced to pay for OSX instead, but at least I'm not giving my money to M$)
[09:20] <Minataku> It probably has Torx screws, too, doesn't it?
[09:20] <hatta> coreymon77: http://www.eff.org/Infrastructure/trusted_computing/20031001_tc.php
[09:21] <n2aag> I have a full set of torx bits, so what's your point?
[09:21] <Minataku> Thanks, hatta
[09:21] <evo> torx are superior to philips in every single way
[09:21] <n2aag> and most machines ship with TPM these days
[09:21] <evo> philips are designed to pop out when turned, it's a huge flaw
[09:21] <Minataku> I actually have a number of links for it, I'm just in a sour mood
[09:21] <n2aag> TPM hasn't effected me in anyway...
[09:21] <excitatory> evo: it really depends on if you're talking personal computers, or amount of linux kernels running.. if it's the later, then linux is far more.  also, linux is pretty widely employed in europe and many other parts of the world.
[09:21] <hatta> coreymon77, you know how you have to call home to apple in order to access itunes media files?
[09:22] <Minataku> evo: You can take your trolling elsewhere, please.
[09:22] <genii> Anything is superior to a Philips except a slot LOL
[09:22] <hatta> microsoft wants to make you ask them permission to do ANYTHING
[09:22] <Schuenemann> sampan: isn't there an option that shows just an ordinary hourglass?
[09:22] <evo> trolling? i'm stating facts
[09:22] <coreymon77> hatta: ???
[09:22] <Minataku> evo: Well, you've had something negative to say to several things now
[09:22] <hatta> that's what trusted computing is
[09:22] <hatta> if microsoft doesn't trust the software, you can't run it
[09:22] <Minataku> My troll flag went off
[09:22] <evo> exitatory: if something is running a linux kernel, it is then running linux... so it is included in the marketshare....
[09:22] <sampan> schuenemann  you can get the hourglass in the taskbar (it's the section right under "busy cursor"
[09:22] <Minataku> coreymon77: It all comes down to "They don't trust you"
[09:23] <coreymon77> of course they dont
[09:23] <Minataku> No matter what you're doing you're trying to steal everything
[09:23] <coreymon77> but what are they doing about it
[09:23] <Minataku> TC
[09:23] <Minataku> They control your computer
[09:23] <sampan> schuenemann  also, the other options for busy cursor (passive and blinking -- instead of bouncing) might be more what you want
[09:23] <sandro__> d
[09:23] <Minataku> Not you
[09:23] <sandro__> oi
[09:23] <Schuenemann> sampan: some applications show a round cursor (I think it's the same as gnome)
[09:23] <Minataku> That's the core of TC
[09:23] <genii> evo By that reasoning OSX should also be in that category, since the bsd distribution that is based on also runs linux binaries
[09:23] <evo> Minataku: nothing negative, i've corrected the people who think linux is more popular than osx, if they want to continue to argue, i'll oblige
[09:23] <excitatory> evo: well, then you'll have to consider the thousands of embedded systems in your figure.
[09:23] <n2aag> the current generation of TPMs wont prevent you from running your OS of choice, from what I've seen, so I'm not worried at the moment
[09:24] <sandro__> somebody help me
[09:24] <Morbo> Isn't it more popular if you factor in non-desktop stuff?
[09:24] <evo> no
[09:24] <Minataku> There's a QFP microcontroller on the mainboard that guarantees that your computer won't listen to a damn thing you tell it to
[09:24] <evo> osx is 14x more popular than linux as of december last year
[09:24] <evo> hard numbers
[09:24] <hatta> right, they're colluding with hardware manufacturers
[09:24] <hatta> to get chips installed
[09:24] <evo> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
[09:24] <Minataku> Morbo means non-desktop as in servers and such, where Linux IS most popular hands down
[09:24] <hatta> that won't let unauthorized software run
[09:25] <genii> evo Think about what the word "marketshare" means. It involves the transaction of money.
[09:25] <rbugman> Thanks for the info! no joy
[09:25] <evo> no it doesn't
[09:25] <sampan> schuenemann  i'm not sure about round cursors, i just know where to turn off that annoying bounce (drove me batty the first hours with kubuntu)
[09:25] <evo> but thanks for playing
[09:25] <genii> linux is below the radar of beancounters
[09:25] <Kubuntu|Slave> hhhmmm... X-chat is weird
[09:26] <Minataku> And who would trust a site with a name like "hitslink"
[09:26] <evo> perhaps you need to read a dictionary, particularly 'marketshare'
[09:26] <rbugman> I guess I have a system that ubuntu will not run on, strange that FC, Mandriva, SUSE have no problems with.
[09:26] <evo> or 'market share' rather
[09:26] <Minataku> Sounds like an ad agency to me
[09:26] <evo> Minataku: oh yes, i actually fabricated taht site in the middle of our argument, just to win
[09:27] <Minataku> I didn't say you did
[09:27] <Schuenemann> sampan: I'd like something to show it's opening the program, but not the same icon as the program... maybe that isn't possible by default
[09:27] <Morbo> Just out of curiosity, evo, do you remember which site/place did that study?
[09:27] <n2aag> I have to say, I'm hearing a lot of n00bish conversation in here..
[09:27] <Minataku> I just said I wouldn't trust a site with a name like that to give me trustable data
[09:27] <evo> i just googled, and that was the first link i found
[09:27] <evo> i know osx is hugely more popular than linux
[09:27] <evo> go try prove me wrong
[09:28] <n2aag> evo: you're an idiot, at least on that point
[09:28] <evo> ahh yes
[09:28] <evo> i must be
[09:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> Most ppl here using linux not osx think that proved you wrong :P
[09:28] <Schuenemann> I rarely see someone using Mac
[09:28] <n2aag> server market share, dumbass
[09:28] <Schuenemann> even on internet
[09:28] <Morbo> this conversation is prolly better for -offtopic
[09:28] <Minataku> Not to mention that I'm positive there are close to ZERO commercial servers running OSX
[09:28] <evo> haha
[09:28] <doudoo> hi all
[09:28] <Minataku> They're either running Linux + Apache or Windows + IIS
[09:28] <Kubuntu|Slave> hi
[09:29] <doudoo> i just wanna compil my first kernel
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> yep
[09:29] <evo> yes, because all servers are webservers?
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> I run FTP server linux & irc fserve linux
[09:29] <doudoo> but when i make menuconfig it says that a checklist.c is missing
[09:29] <doudoo> but it s not
[09:29] <doudoo> ...
[09:29] <Kubuntu|Slave> much betetr hen OsX
[09:29] <n2aag> yeah..   seriously..    anyone know anything about mactel disk partitioning before I get out of here?   (just to get back on topic)
[09:29] <Minataku> Okay, trolling confirmed
[09:30] <Minataku> Would someone with access kindly eject evo?
[09:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> trolls where? I only see evo
[09:30] <evo> haha
[09:30] <evo> i'll leave
[09:30] <evo> cheers
[09:30] <excitatory> doudoo: the first question, is why do you want to compile your own kernel?
[09:30] <Kubuntu|Slave> bye
[09:30] <doudoo> wanna test 2.6.19 kernel for my core 2 duo
[09:30] <doudoo> see if i can see some improvement
[09:30] <Minataku> lol
[09:30] <genii> quoted directly irectly from the page you cited (about where their stats are drawn from) "We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on demand network of small to medium enterprise live stats customers."
[09:31] <doudoo> and cause I wannna learn how to do
[09:31] <Minataku> rofl
[09:31] <doudoo> I like linux!
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> same
[09:31] <Minataku> I hate marketspeak like that
[09:31] <Minataku> XD
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> more stable
[09:31] <genii> All that means is their stats reflect whatever OS their customers predominantly use
[09:31] <Minataku> "exclusive on demand high availabiliy super powered mega cluster power ranger hyper megazord"
[09:31] <Minataku> Or whatever
[09:31] <Minataku> lol
[09:31] <Kubuntu|Slave> I personaly dont know anyone who uses anything else but Linxu or windows
[09:32] <Schuenemann> me too
[09:32] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux*
[09:32] <Schuenemann> me neither
[09:32] <Morbo> I know some Non-OSX *BSD users
[09:32] <Schuenemann> I've seen people using Mac on videos only
[09:32] <Kubuntu|Slave> "BS"D u mean :P
[09:33] <Schuenemann> book authors
[09:33] <n2aag> I have OSX on my new laptop, and it's nice and all, but it's also non-free and will be wiped soon...
[09:33] <Schuenemann> and they were all from US
[09:33] <JOSF> Hi, I do not get a screen anymore after awakeining from hibernate. It seems this is being caused by the nvidia-legacy driver (I used the one from nvidia themselfes)
[09:33] <Minataku> BSD is good, too
[09:33] <JOSF> Is there any help-guide on that ?
[09:33] <JOSF> !swsusp
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about swsusp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <JOSF> !suspend
[09:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about suspend - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:33] <Kubuntu|Slave> Nvidea only video I know that has issues with linux, I blam manufacturer
[09:33] <Minataku> Darwin, on the other hand is just garbage
[09:34] <hatta> nvidia is great for linux
[09:34] <Morbo> Minataku- I agree.  Evolution is a bunch of crap ;)
[09:34] <genii> Minataku Yeah I am partial to FreeBSD
[09:34] <hatta> as long as you don't mind nonfree code in your kernel
[09:34] <Kubuntu|Slave> I know but I hear too many ppl having issues with em, me included
[09:34] <hatta> just use the official installer
[09:34] <Morbo> And by "evolution" I mean the Gnome app.
[09:34] <Kubuntu|Slave> I hate gnome
[09:34] <hatta> the "debian way" is crap
[09:34] <Schuenemann> Anyone using Konversation? Does it get slow as you stay long on a channel?
[09:35] <Morbo> Well, I never used it extensively, but I never had a good experience with it
[09:35] <Minataku> Ugh... GNOME
[09:35] <n2aag> I'd rather use fully-supported integrated intel graphics than taint my machine with closed-source kernel and userspace drivers
[09:35] <Minataku> And agreed, hatta
[09:35] <Kubuntu|Slave> I dont trust the little short abastard down there
[09:35] <Kubuntu|Slave> bastard*
[09:35] <Minataku> There are cases where consessions can be made
[09:35] <n2aag> that said, I have a pretty kickin' nvidia card in my workstation
[09:35] <Morbo> Although that box is mainly a mythtv thing right now
[09:36] <Morbo> Until I scrape together the cash to build a miniatx type system
[09:36] <n2aag> I am going to install another video card in my workstation soon and run mythtv atop a multiseat setup
[09:36] <Kubuntu|Slave> the new 8X nvidias seem to have some issue desktop wise but runs great on games
[09:37] <Minataku> At least nVidia cares enough to make a good, serviceable Linux driver
[09:37] <Minataku> ATI hates us and wouldn't care if we all died
[09:37] <Kubuntu|Slave> driver? since when does linux need drivers :P
[09:37] <Minataku> ATI is another corporation that assumes that we're all liars and thieves
[09:37] <Kubuntu|Slave> ATI is gay, there mainboards suck too
[09:37] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Linux has drivers, too
[09:37] <genii> Well, AMD now. The old ATI website doesn't even have one place to find an old ATI logo on it now.
[09:38] <n2aag> Kubuntu|Slave: ATI is homosexual?   since when?
[09:38] <Minataku> They're either compiled into the kernel or compiled as modules to be inserted into a running kernel
[09:38] <Kubuntu|Slave> I never needd to d/l a driver for linux just put it in & it works
[09:38] <Kubuntu|Slave> since they where created
[09:38] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Because the Kubuntu kernel is provided with all the modules
[09:39] <n2aag> okay..     /me out
[09:39] <Minataku> You plug it in, it looks for the module providing the functionality to operate with that device
[09:39] <excitatory> Kubuntu|Slave: of course, but if you want some more advanced 3d support, a manufacturer driver is necessary.
[09:39] <Kubuntu|Slave> this monday if u can watch the daily show, he interviewing bill gates he he he
[09:39] <Minataku> I apologize, BTW if I've upset and/or offended anyone
[09:39] <Minataku> lol
[09:39] <Minataku> I got a little worked up for a bit X3
[09:39] <tobre> Hi!
[09:40] <tobre> Anyone knows where can I change charset in kubuntu?
[09:40] <Minataku> Ooooh... .ee
[09:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> eeerrr.....
[09:40] <Minataku> That's Estonia, if I'm not mistaken
[09:40] <tobre> Yeah.
[09:40] <underdog5004> genii, got another hangover "cure": dill pickle juice
[09:40] <Kubuntu|Slave> Estonia where weed is legal :P
[09:41] <Kubuntu|Slave> E"stone"ia" :P
[09:41] <tobre> Noup. :P
[09:41] <genii> underdog5004: Bleh! that will just dehydrate you more
[09:41] <Kubuntu|Slave> exactly
[09:42] <Kubuntu|Slave> it rids you of the chemicals that give u hangover
[09:42] <Minataku> There is no cure for a hangover, unless you count preventative cures
[09:42] <Minataku> Of which there's one... don't drink so f?cking much
[09:42] <Minataku> XD
[09:42] <tobre> I can't find anywhere where can I chenge system charset.
[09:42] <Minataku> !charset
[09:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about charset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:43] <Minataku> Bah, lousy bot
[09:43] <tobre> :(
[09:43] <Minataku> tobre: There's definitely a way to do it, I just don't know
[09:43] <ziza> i'm getting so sick of this cdrecord crap. how the hell did I manage to burn a few cds  some months ago, but now it just locks up my cd recorder all the time :(
[09:43] <tobre> Yes, I know there is..:P
[09:44] <Minataku> I thought it was cdrtools now
[09:44] <YumeLostHisClue> YumeNoEien
[09:44] <Minataku> Ever since what's-his-face changed the cdrecord license and they forked it
[09:44] <YumeLostHisClue> ><
[09:44] <YumeNoEien> :)
[09:44] <YumeNoEien> back
[09:44] <ziza> yeah i know Schily changed the license
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> so what interesting topics have i been missing?
[09:45] <Minataku> Not much
[09:45] <Minataku> Talking about how Schily is an ass
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> cool
[09:45] <Minataku> The usual stuff
[09:45] <Minataku> XD
[09:45] <ziza> i even followed the discussion in the German online news site "heise", where Schily defended himself...
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> lol
[09:45] <Minataku> rofl
[09:45] <YumeNoEien> hahaha
[09:46] <Minataku> Screw him, let him change it
[09:46] <Minataku> The old license lets us fork it at the point before the change
[09:46] <YumeNoEien> hi Ana
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> there is cures for hangovers, ont wake up till its gone :P
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> dont*
[09:46] <Minataku> He can sit and stagnate with his code that nobody will ever use again while we go on without him
[09:46] <YumeNoEien> Kubuntu|Slave: like u have a choice in waking up :p
[09:46] <ziza> i can't kill the cdrecord process, not even as root. how stupid is that?
[09:46] <Kubuntu|Slave> brb I dont like X-chat
[09:47] <Kubuntu|Slave> sure ya do bedpan & covers over head :P
[09:47] <Minataku> ziza: It means it's jammed
[09:47] <Minataku> Try "kill -9 <pid of cdrecord>"
[09:47] <YumeNoEien> Hehehe
[09:47] <Minataku> If that fails just hang tight and it should eventually crap
[09:47] <ziza> i think it's so full of crap that i could live on forever
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> ugh im sleepy
[09:48] <ziza> how do i find out the id of a process?
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> i mailed my modemscan thingy
[09:48] <YumeNoEien> alomst 90 seconds past and i still dont have a reply
[09:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> Used to be ctrl alt esc
[09:48] <Minataku> ziza: ps -A
[09:48] <Kubuntu|Slave> get taskmanager
[09:48] <ziza> k thx
[09:49] <YumeNoEien> Just curious, what fun and exciting things do you guys use linux for?
[09:49] <Minataku> In my case, everything
[09:49] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.19.1-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[09:49] <Minataku> This is my desktop system
[09:50] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:51] <Minataku> I'm a Gentoo user, BTW, not a Kubuntu user
[09:51] <Minataku> Which is why most people don't like my answers because they're all done from the CLI XD
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> *gasp* are you one of those people
[09:51] <Minataku> Nah, no serious optimizations
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> :)
[09:51] <YumeNoEien> so whats different in Gentoo?
[09:51] <Minataku> But I do have a lot more freedom in choosing how things get compiled and such
[09:51] <Kubuntu|Slave> that wasnt it :P
[09:52] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: No hand-holding
[09:52] <Minataku> You're given a screwdriver and a manual
[09:52] <Minataku> After that it's up to you
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> o.O
[09:52] <Kubuntu|Slave> gentoo for advanced linux nerds :P
[09:52] <HymnToLife> FreeBSD ana.fkraiem.org 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #1: Mon Jan 22 21:00:28 CET 2007     mfb@ana.fkraiem.org:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ANA  i386 <= this is mine, ftw :p
[09:52] <ziza> lol, i once tried to install Gentoo, but when I tried to compile KDE that waste of time just freaked me out. nevertheless, it was a good to learn something new... :)
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:52] <YumeNoEien> icic
[09:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu comes out of the box complete
[09:53] <genii> YumeNoEien: The main thing with Gentoo is that when the system installs itself, it compiles everything on-the-fly to be optimised for the box you are putting it on
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> *instant respect for Minataku*
[09:53] <Minataku> Gentoo is like something you buy from Ikea
[09:53] <Minataku> Heehee *blush*
[09:53] <HymnToLife> Minataku, a bit _too_ complete maybe
[09:53] <Kubuntu|Slave> or microsoft lmao
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> so gentoo is much more adjusted to your comp than other distros
[09:53] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Uh, no
[09:53] <HymnToLife> there are lots of useless stuff in Kubuntu
[09:53] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Exactly
[09:53] <YumeNoEien> :o
[09:53] <Minataku> Every binary on Piyoko down to the kernel is compiled on and for her and her only
[09:54] <Kubuntu|Slave> not useless to me, there not large so it doesnt matter having a little extra
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> sweet
[09:54] <HymnToLife> Minataku, same on my Ana :p
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> i wish i were geek enough for gentoo
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> :(
[09:54] <genii> YumeNoEien: It is like the difference between a SUIT you buy at Walmart and a tailored tuxedo
[09:54] <CVirus> Gentoo == Full Control
[09:54] <YumeNoEien> lol
[09:54] <genii> bleh caplocks
[09:54] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Try and move away from depending on the GUI in Kubuntu
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> gui = control
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> speed too
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> im trying to use the terminal for most things
[09:55] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Far from it
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> but i still have trouble moving files from one dir to another
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> i just keep renaming them
[09:55] <Minataku> The CLI is far, FAR more powerful and speedy than a GUI
[09:55] <YumeNoEien> ><
[09:55] <Kubuntu|Slave> CLI *t :P
[09:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: mv /directory/name/* /new/directory
[09:56] <YumeNoEien> K, im gonna try it right now
[09:56] <CVirus> Kubuntu|Slave: which is faster .. typing cd /foo/foobar/x/y/z ... or clicking on your file manager and browsing till you reach the directory ?
[09:56] <dale> Im having problems 'su' ing
[09:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> you gotta be a uber typer to do things in terminal aka UBER geek
[09:56] <HymnToLife> !root | dale
[09:56] <ubotu> dale: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:56] <Kubuntu|Slave> clicking I got shortcut
[09:56] <Fred_G> I have a 42GB free partition (hda-1) that I would like to add to hda1 (now at 20GB). Is this possible?
[09:56] <dale> when I get prompted for my root password it accepts it fine
[09:56] <genii> Because in the entire linux/X relationship everything on the  gui is just basically a frontend to some cli thing, the cli is superior
[09:57] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: As you use Linux more you'll realize you're wrong
[09:57] <Minataku> When what used to take you 10m in the GUI suddenly takes you 10s at the shell
[09:57] <dale> but when I su i get authentication faliure
[09:57] <Minataku> dale: root is locked out in Kubuntu
[09:57] <dale> and more powerful !- superior
[09:57] <HymnToLife> dale, read the link ubotu gave you
[09:57] <genii> dale use sudo instead
[09:57] <Minataku> Are you trying to become root to do everything?
[09:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> I can make menu's shortcuts to 1 click anything term u gotta type directrys & get to the file before u can even use em
[09:57] <Kubuntu|Slave> then you also gotta remember all them commands
[09:57] <Minataku> If you are, stop and quit trying now
[09:58] <YumeGettingGeeki> minitaku
[09:58] <Minataku> Like I said, as you get more used to Linux and use the CLI more, you'll realize that you were wrong all this time
[09:58] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux manual 100K pages, thast alot to remember :P
[09:58] <YumeGettingGeeki> minataku: for the new dir do i write the complete adress from root?
[09:59] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Depends where it is
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> or can i do ../../dir
[09:59] <Minataku> You can do that
[09:59] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, not necessarily
[09:59] <HymnToLife> you can use relative path too
[09:59] <dale> I am very used to using linux and the cli
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> cool
[09:59] <Kubuntu|Slave> Onlt CLI I like is a CLIT :P your an uber nerd if u can navigate CLi & terminal that easy & should go outside more often
[09:59] <Minataku> That'll put it in a directory named "dir" two directories back from the current
[09:59] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: im still getting used to it :)
[09:59] <genii> I usually like to make symlinks relative if they point to something in the same dir or a subdir
[09:59] <Minataku> Okay, Kubuntu|Slave, take the trolling elsewhere
[10:00] <dale> but I like usable software, which generally means a gui, ubuntu seems nice so far
[10:00] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: i know ^^ btw if the directory named 'dir' desnt exist will it be made automatically?
[10:00] <Kubuntu|Slave> minat id I hurt ur nerdy feelings :P
[10:00] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Good question
[10:00] <YumeGettingGeeki> guess ill find out
[10:00] <Minataku> I think it'll either fail or screw up
[10:00] <Minataku> WAIT
[10:00] <Minataku> Let me try first
[10:00] <Minataku> lol
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> ill just do mv -v <etc.>
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol
[10:01] <Kubuntu|Slave> easyest way is use /dirname/dirname to browse between folders or use the autocomplete :P
[10:01] <Minataku> Yeah, it'll fail
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> thanks Slave
[10:01] <dope> how can i boot from a pendrive in grub?
[10:01] <Minataku> Just make the directory first, YumeGettingGeeki
[10:01] <Minataku> lol
[10:01] <YumeGettingGeeki> autocomplete is done with Tab right?
[10:02] <dale> um right ,how do I make su available
[10:02] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Yeah
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> k
[10:02] <Kubuntu|Slave> thats easy u can load a grub bootkernal n the pendrive
[10:02] <Minataku> dale: Why, specifically, do you need a root shell?
[10:02] <HymnToLife> Minataku, it works without making the dir before
[10:02] <Fred_G> can anyone tell me how to add a 40GB free partition to a 20GB one?
[10:02] <genii> dope Find out what device it uses usuallu sda then install grub to it
[10:02] <HymnToLife> mv foo/bar foobar
[10:02] <Kubuntu|Slave> just make it a bootle pen drive for linux, shouldload the grub too
[10:02] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Not here it doesn't
[10:02] <dope> genii: i don't follow
[10:02] <HymnToLife> wil move bar inside foobar, giving you foobar/bar
[10:02] <dope> grub is already installed
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> argh
[10:02] <YumeGettingGeeki> i must have made a typo
[10:03] <YumeGettingGeeki> no such file
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> does your pc support loading from a usb drive?
[10:03] <dope> no
[10:03] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Make the target directory first
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> then u cant boot from a pendrive
[10:03] <dope> that's why i need to boot from grub
[10:03] <dale> because i would like to change the ownership of /opt, possible some other files
[10:03] <dale> install something in /usr/bin
[10:03] <HymnToLife> !sudo | dale
[10:03] <Kubuntu|Slave> ur pc has to suport loading off a usb device
[10:03] <ubotu> dale: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:03] <genii> dope Ah OK, I thought you trying to boot from the pendrive as first mdbr
[10:03] <genii> mbr even
[10:03] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: im just moving it to a directory that allready exists :p
[10:03] <HymnToLife> dale, read the fantastic link
[10:04] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: Show me what your command is
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> oh ok
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> this is what i got:
[10:04] <dope> it is possible to boot a pen drive from grub, right?
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> like from HD to load the pendrive as os?
[10:04] <dope> i think so, grub is on the HD
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> or flop to pen drive as os?
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> mv -v Examples/oo-maxwell.odt /home/ubuntu/Images
[10:04] <genii> dope Yes, it is, if grub is actually loading from somewhere else
[10:04] <Minataku> dale: Manual installation is discouraged in Kubuntu
[10:04] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh wait, that should be ubuntu/home
[10:04] <dope> grub comes up everytime i start my comp
[10:04] <Kubuntu|Slave> u have to change the grubroot to specify the pen drive I belive
[10:05] <genii> dope The trick is knowing which bios drive the pendrive works out to
[10:05] <dope> hmm
[10:05] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, that shoulg give you /home/ubuntu/Images/oo-maxwell.odt
[10:05] <dope> i'm gonna try something, brb
[10:05] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh
[10:05] <Kubuntu|Slave> uh oh
[10:05] <YumeGettingGeeki> okay thanks
[10:05] <Kubuntu|Slave> :P
[10:05] <HymnToLife> should*
[10:05] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: You'll get the hang of it
[10:05] <Minataku> I id
[10:05] <Minataku> *did
[10:05] <Minataku> XD
[10:06] <dale> heh, I develop with inkscape, is kubunto going to compile and install from source every few minutes?
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> Ihavent used linux in years & I now gettign hang of it again quite asy
[10:06] <YumeGettingGeeki> minataku: or die trying :p
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> easy*
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> its typing on a pos Kb hat gets me :P
[10:06] <Kubuntu|Slave> that*
[10:06] <YumeGettingGeeki> k gonna be afk for a few minutes to wrestle with this command ^^
[10:07] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|Slave, you on a lappy?
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> no pc
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> my lappy wont handle this, cant even handle xp :P
[10:07] <Kubuntu|Slave> question how do I get nessus to connect?
[10:08] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: lol, you'll get it soon enough
[10:08] <Fred_G> Hi! How can I add a 40GB free partition (hda-1) to a 20 GB (hda1) one?
[10:08] <Minataku> I do all my file management (and pretty much everything period) through the CLI
[10:08] <Kubuntu|Slave> I plan on using linux to monitor are network :)
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> How  do I get nessus o connect, says ts unable to connect to localhost
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> hehe
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> to*
[10:09] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Is English your first language?
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> if i hang around this channel long enough
[10:09] <Kubuntu|Slave> yes my KB sucks
[10:09] <genii> Fred_G If all you want to do is use it without repartitioning, just format and mount it someplace
[10:09] <YumeGettingGeeki> il prolly learn to use the CLI too :)
[10:09] <Minataku> Oh, so it types "our" as "are"?
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> sometimes I type  a letter another letter comes up instead
[10:10] <YumeGettingGeeki> WOOT PROGRESS!
[10:10] <Minataku> Sorry, I'm just hassling you because I hate poor grammar
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> minak being ignored & called a pissant your first language :)
[10:10] <Kubuntu|Slave> he he he hastle that :)
[10:10] <YumeGettingGeeki> went from vannot stat to cannot move
[10:11] <Fred_G> thx genii- I want to add it to an already installed Ubuntu..is this poss?
[10:11] <YumeGettingGeeki> *vannot == cannot
[10:11] <Minataku> Hm, strange
[10:11] <pixelation> #WINE
[10:11] <pixelation> oops sorry
[10:11] <dale> yume, sounds like permissions if its readingthe source files
[10:11] <Minataku> #BEER is better
[10:11] <pixelation> lol
[10:11] <Kubuntu|Slave> ANYWAY how do I get nessus to connect to my pc to run a scan??
[10:11] <dale> what editor do people generally use in ubuntu
[10:12] <Minataku> nano is my top choice
[10:12] <dope> nope, that didn't work
[10:12] <dale> used to kate, but wouldnt mind a change
[10:12] <Minataku> That's on any distro, any OS
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> I dont use ubuntu nemore I hate gnome :P
[10:12] <Minataku> Well, any OS that has nano
[10:12] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: argh,.. permissions are needed to move files?
[10:12] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: It depends
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> linuxall about security :)
[10:12] <Kubuntu|Slave> linux all*
[10:12] <underdog5004> YumeGettingGeeki, sud
[10:12] <dale> you need permissions to write to the destination
[10:12] <underdog5004> sudo
[10:12] <Minataku> The source/destinations have to be yours or allow you
[10:12] <HymnToLife> Minataku, nano is Free Software, so you can install it on any OS
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> sudo mv then
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> :)
[10:13] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Yes, but not EVERY OS has it
[10:13] <dale> do a ls -l on the directory above where your trying to copy to
[10:13] <genii> Fred_G Yes. You can make it so that the partition will be mounted under some directory. Then your total storage will be the additive of both partitions. There is a way to also merge partitions but it is a pain to do. Thje easiest option is just to prepare then mount the one you are not using currently.
[10:13] <Minataku> I don't think there's a port of nano to OpenVMS for example XD
[10:13] <dale> yume, probably not the best idea
[10:13] <HymnToLife> depends what you call "has"
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> oops
[10:13] <HymnToLife> not every OS installs it by default but you can always install it yourself
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> just used it, sad cannot move no such file or directory
[10:13] <Minataku> I meant "has" as in is there a port of it to that particular OS
[10:13] <YumeGettingGeeki> i think im writing a wrong target directory
[10:14] <dale> I meant like a semi decent editor, certainly with a gui
[10:14] <genii> Fred_G: Do you know the device name of the partition which is not used? eg: hd5 hd6 or something similar
[10:14] <genii> hda5 hda6 or so, rather
[10:14] <dale> certainly not emacs / nano / vi
[10:14] <genii> <-- keyboard skips
[10:14] <Minataku> dale: Just use Kate and keep the hate to a minimum
[10:15] <Kubuntu|Slave> same ehre genil
[10:15] <Kubuntu|Slave> here*
[10:15] <Fred_G> genii - hda-1  would like to add to hda1
[10:15] <genii> Fred_G: There is no valid device of hda-1 only some like hda1 hda2 and so on. Negative numbers are not valid devices
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> j/k
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> lol
[10:16] <dale> heh sorry, that was somewhat sharp, I just have a thing about purists
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> he bugged me :P
[10:16] <Minataku> Kubuntu|Slave: Standard procedure in cases where an answer is not known is to not answer
[10:16] <Minataku> Nobody knows, so nobody has answered
[10:16] <Kubuntu|Slave> u got a prob with pagans :P
[10:16] <djwilcox> doing a victory dance - just installed vlc
[10:17] <Minataku> dale: Purist nothing, purists use emacs / vi
[10:17] <Minataku> I can't stand either of them
[10:17] <genii> Fred_G: Do you know how to use the pastebin service?
[10:17] <Minataku> lol
[10:17] <Minataku> I like my editor to actually edit when I open a file
[10:17] <genii> !pastebin | Fred_G
[10:17] <ubotu> Fred_G: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:18] <Minataku> Tons of stupid : commands or thirty-key macros aren't my idea of a useful editor
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> !kick dale
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kick dale - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: okay im allready in the same directory as the file i want to transer, so i wrote
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> j/k
[10:18] <djwilcox> any one know how to get the vlc plug in working in firefox
[10:18] <Kubuntu|Slave> should just load & run
[10:18] <Fred_G> genii - here's what I did...I set up a dual boot..20GB for Ubuntu, 60GB for Kubuntu. I now want 60 for the Ubuntu. I reinstalled K with a smaller part. ..now I have a 40GB free block I would like to use with the existing 20GB Ubuntu.
[10:18] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: In that case, it's mv /whereever/lala/originalfile.lol .
[10:18] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: mv logo-Ubuntu.png /ubuntu/home/Images/logo-Ubuntu.png
[10:19] <Kubuntu|Slave> u have to make extended partition
[10:19] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh ic
[10:19] <underdog5004> vim is ok...
[10:19] <Minataku> YumeGettingGeeki: If you're in the target directory, replace the last one with "."
[10:19] <YumeGettingGeeki> Minataku: getting to it right now
[10:19] <underdog5004> much more intuitive
[10:19] <Minataku> underdog5004: vim is the same crap
[10:19] <genii> Fred_G: It would be useful to see the partition tables. Can you cut/paste to the pastebin that? If not sure how I'll guide you
[10:19] <HymnToLife> Minataku, you can omit the name of the file in the last argument
[10:19] <Minataku> Just use nano and save yourself the headache
[10:19] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki* sorry
[10:19] <underdog5004> Minataku, naw, you're just wrong.
[10:19] <underdog5004> lol
[10:19] <Fred_G> let me try..thx for the help..
[10:19] <Kubuntu|Slave> min always wrong :P
[10:20] <Minataku> If the file doesn't open in the editor in editing mode, it's not an editor, it's a fancy piece of crap
[10:20] <underdog5004> I prefer kate or kwrite for gui stuff, but when my xorg takes a dump, vim is my weapon of choice
[10:20] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, if last arument is a dir, the file will be moved to that dir, without being renamed
[10:20] <genii> Fred_G: np . Likely the area you want is hda5 but good to make sure first
[10:20] <Minataku> emacs is definitely bloat-o-rama, that's clearly known
[10:20] <YumeGettingGeeki> so mv filename /directory
[10:20] <underdog5004> never used emacs
[10:20] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, yep
[10:20] <Minataku> As for vi, I don't want to have to type whatever to start editing a file
[10:20] <Kubuntu|Slave> emac Evil Mac?
[10:20] <Minataku> Then remember how to actually write it out
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, in vim you just hit 'i' for insert...then you start typing...yeah, really difficult, I know
[10:21] <HymnToLife> as they say on the vi homepage, Emacs is a nice OS. Too bad it lacks a good text editor :p
[10:21] <underdog5004> !emacs
[10:21] <dope> i have a problem
[10:21] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:21] <Minataku> underdog5004: I shouldn't have to hit "i"
[10:21] <Soul^Shadow> too much dope :)
[10:21] <dope> i want to access an NFS
[10:21] <Minataku> Nor worry about typing something else and hosing everything
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, Puh-leaze
[10:21] <YumeGettingGeeki> "mv logo-Ubuntu.png /ubuntu/home/Images" isnt doing my bidding :p
[10:21] <underdog5004> Minataku, although I do understand your worry...
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> dope u gotta mount a ntfs
[10:22] <dope> and i'm in the exports file and i'm supposed to put an ip in for computers that can access it but my ip will always be changing
[10:22] <Minataku> underdog5004: And I'm an EXPERIENCED Linux user
[10:22] <Minataku> lol
[10:22] <genii> dope So put instead *
[10:22] <dope> that's dangerous isn't it?
[10:22] <Minataku> I just don't like the hassle of vi and espeically emacs
[10:22] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, it logi-Ubuntu.png in the current dir ?
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> dangerous how?
[10:22] <underdog5004> did anyone notice that in edgy, for the help page in /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork , none of the links work?
[10:22] <HymnToLife> logo*
[10:22] <genii> dope Well, if it will be on a range then put like 192.168.0.0/24 or so
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> linux dont got ports open unless needed & there even guarded
[10:22] <Soul^Shadow> Linux = GOD like
[10:23] <Fred_G> genii- ok...tell me how..sorry..
[10:23] <underdog5004> root == god like
[10:23] <Minataku> In any case, I apologize again if I upset and/or offended anyone
[10:23] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: yes
[10:23] <dope> it won't be cause i'll be in different locations
[10:23] <Minataku> I need a drink and a snack
[10:23] <Minataku> XD
[10:23] <underdog5004> Minataku, nope, just some friendly rivalry, I think
[10:23] <underdog5004> no hard feelings...on my end, anyway
[10:23] <underdog5004> hee hee
[10:23] <Minataku> underdog5004: None here, either
[10:23] <Minataku> lol
[10:23] <YumeGettingGeeki> maybe im writing the target directory wrong?
[10:23] <Soul^Shadow> nah min pick on me, I show how done
[10:23] <genii> dope Then * or else figure a way to hopscotch in
[10:23] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, and does /ubuntu/home/Images exist ? it seems weird to me
[10:23] <underdog5004> I love this place.
[10:23] <Soul^Shadow> bad grammer just to erritate :)
[10:23] <dope> craps
[10:23] <Minataku> It's just that old minefield called the "editor wars"
[10:24] <underdog5004> erritate?
[10:24] <Minataku> XD
[10:24] <Soul^Shadow> I know :)
[10:24] <underdog5004> Minataku, yeah...walked right into it...
[10:24] <YumeGettingGeeki> how about i try ls /ubuntu/home/Images
[10:24] <Minataku> Same here XD
[10:24] <YumeGettingGeeki> it should work if it exists right?
[10:24] <HymnToLife> yes
[10:24] <genii> Fred_G: OK, in konsole type in: sudo fdisk /dev/hda    then after that, put "p"  to print the partition table. Then copy that and paste it to the pastebin website. You can exit fdisk by "q"
[10:25] <Soul^Shadow> u want images just search HD for em png jpg fig format :)
[10:25] <Minataku> Anyway, I'ma go mix myself up a drink (non-alcoholic) XD
[10:25] <YumeGettingGeeki> guess im making a mistake in the target directory
[10:25] <YumeGettingGeeki> lol, lemme cheat and see whats in the gui
[10:25] <LeeJunFan> Riddell did a darn good job packaging up the new KDE, normally with it not being very tested there's a few boogs, but 3.5.6 hasn't shown me a single one yet.
[10:26] <Soul^Shadow> ANYWAY can anyone awnser me?? Nessus needs to connect says it cant, how do I connect it to run network scans?
[10:26] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: got it
[10:26] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: it was hom/ubutu/.. and not ubuntu/home/...
[10:27] <Fred_G> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3150/
[10:27] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, you can use Tab-completion for this
[10:27] <genii> Fred_G: OK, reading
[10:27] <underdog5004> Minataku, lol, don't mention drinks around me
[10:27] <HymnToLife> if it doesn't complete, it means whay you were expecting doesn't exist
[10:27] <Soul^Shadow> NOBODY here knows nessus?
[10:27] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: ah icic
[10:27] <HymnToLife> what*
[10:27] <underdog5004> Soul^Shadow, no
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: Argh! permission denied ><
[10:28] <underdog5004> YumeGettingGeeki, sudo
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> hymntolife: but at least i know now i got the command right this time
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> k
[10:28] <HymnToLife> what is the current dir ?
[10:28] <genii> Fred_G: You have quite a few partitions there. I need now to see the contents of the file /etc/fstab  to see which the system is actually using. Please pastebin this also
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> WOOT!
[10:28] <YumeGettingGeeki> I worked! I moved a file!
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> Neo eat your heart out xD
[10:29] <genii> Fred_G: Also, this is the only operating system you will be using on this drive?
[10:29] <dale> yume, you generally shouldnt be using sudo to copy files
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> Dog, hymn, maina thank you guys
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: :o
[10:29] <genii> dale To put anything outside of /home/user you need sudo
[10:29] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: any idea how i could fix that?
[10:30] <YumeGettingGeeki> oic
[10:30] <Soul^Shadow> know a good chan that can help? im on chan nobody home :P
[10:30] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, where was the file located before you moved it ?
[10:30] <dale> genii, so user cant own any files outside /home/user ?
[10:30] <YumeGettingGeeki> /home/ubuntu/Examples
[10:30] <genii> dale correct
[10:31] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, that settles it
[10:31] <genii> dale Unless root chown its
[10:31] <HymnToLife> ~/Examples is just a symlink to someplace else
[10:31] <dale> yume, I like using my /opt folder for installing things from, and /var / tmp for writing log files
[10:31] <HymnToLife> so you normally can't put or delete files in it
[10:31] <dale> so I guess in ubuntu ill be chowning them
[10:32] <Fred_G> genii - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3152/
[10:32] <genii> Fred_G: Thanks, reading
[10:32] <YumeGettingGeeki> dale: oh oic, im not familiar with most terms but chowning is like overriding a rule?
[10:32] <Minataku> CHange OWNership
[10:33] <YumeGettingGeeki> ah ic
[10:33] <dale> yume, every file / folder has an owner, a group, and permission that define who can do what with the file
[10:33] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh thats where th read write execute rights come in
[10:33] <Minataku> Bingo
[10:33] <dale> chown changes ownership, chmod changes permissions, chgrp changes group
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> so when you chown you basically set all rights to the account your are logged into
[10:34] <Minataku> Except chown can be used to change owner AND group
[10:34] <HymnToLife> yep
[10:34] <genii> Fred_G: Also, this is the only operating system you will be using on this drive?
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> and they dont ask for sudo since you are the authorized group / person
[10:34] <dale> yup
[10:34] <me__> does anyone know how to unrar a multy part rar file
[10:34] <Minataku> Right, sudo make the command run as root, aka the superuser
[10:34] <YumeGettingGeeki> *feels smart*
[10:34] <Minataku> Who overrides everything
[10:35] <YumeGettingGeeki> but i only have 1 user
[10:35] <Minataku> Technically, you have two
[10:35] <HymnToLife> me__, unrar the first pied, it should automagically unrar the whole archive
[10:35] <Minataku> root and whoever you are
[10:35] <YumeGettingGeeki> oh the root and my own
[10:35] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, no, you have far more than one
[10:35] <Minataku> And you don't do everything as root
[10:35] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, just do      less /etc/passwd
[10:35] <dale> so its probably safer to have user permisions and ownership of a directory that you want to copy to than sudo everything
[10:35] <Minataku> That's how Windows works and consequently how spyware/adware works
[10:36] <Minataku> dale: No, it's not safer
[10:36] <Minataku> It's more convienent but definitely not safer
[10:36] <distro-tester> hello everyone
[10:36] <YumeGettingGeeki> wait the file i moved wasnt one i made myself, but if i move one i made myself, the sudo isnt necessary anymore right?
[10:36] <Fred_G> genii- I am setting up a dual boot..Ubuntu and Kubuntu..alreadt both installed..I just have this 40GB block I want to add to the Ubuntu
[10:36] <distro-tester> is iptables installed by defoult in kubuntu ?
[10:36] <dale> thanks for the help anyway, heading now
[10:37] <me__> ok ty i think its another problem which causes my error then
[10:37] <Minataku> !iptables
[10:37] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:37] <Minataku> I guess it does
[10:37] <Minataku> lol
[10:37] <distro-tester> so as im running firestarter i have it then perfect
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> :)
[10:37] <HymnToLife> YumeGettingGeeki, who created the file doesn't matter
[10:37] <distro-tester> minataku im not able alone to install flash player 9 and java can u help me?
[10:37] <HymnToLife> it's who _owns_ the file that matters
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> Argh
[10:37] <Minataku> distro-tester: Flash Player 9, yes
[10:37] <Minataku> Java no
[10:37] <YumeGettingGeeki> ahh okay
[10:37] <E_mE> evening all
[10:37] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[10:38] <Minataku> First, get the tarball for Flash Player 9
[10:38] <HymnToLife> by default, the owner is the user who created the file
[10:38] <HymnToLife> but it can be changed
[10:38] <distro-tester> ok
[10:38] <YumeGettingGeeki> so thats why dale chowned his files
[10:38] <distro-tester> i advise u im first times on linux but i think whit your help will make it
[10:38] <distro-tester> brb taking the tar
[10:38] <Minataku> k
[10:38] <genii> Fred_G So on the partition hda1 which is mounted to currently /media/hda1   is where the second install is?
[10:38] <Minataku> After that, untar it somewhere, "tar xvf nameoftarball.tar.gz"
[10:39] <genii> (or first install if you prefer)
[10:39] <Minataku> It should produce a directory with some stuff in it including something that says "installflashwhatever"
[10:39] <Minataku> sudo ./thatthing.sh
[10:39] <distro-tester> ok wait i got in on desktop now?
[10:39] <distro-tester> as i said 1 times on linux i know 0
[10:40] <Minataku> Oi, right, in which case my help probably WON'T get you anywhere
[10:40] <distro-tester> well if u speak easy i can make it
[10:40] <Minataku> Let me think
[10:40] <Minataku> Open a terminal
[10:40] <distro-tester> do rpm distros as fedora install in click and run?
[10:40] <distro-tester> ok
[10:40] <Minataku> Type "ls" and tell me if there's a directory called "Desktop"
[10:40] <genii> Fred_G: As I uderstand: You have both ubuntu and kubuntu installed as a dual boot. You want to only use the one distribution all the time and erase or add the space the other one is using to that. Is this so?
[10:41] <distro-tester> no
[10:41] <Fred_G> genii- Ubuntu=hda1...Kubuntu on hda3? I think
[10:41] <distro-tester> o yes there is
[10:41] <distro-tester> desktop here it is
[10:41] <distro-tester> then?
[10:41] <Minataku> Is the tarball inside there?
[10:41] <YumeGettingGeeki> Woot i moved it back!
[10:41] <E_mE> how can i make an image non-transparent when incapulated inside a 60% transparent table??
[10:41] <distro-tester> just a file im getting whit ktorrent
[10:41] <distro-tester> but the tar in on desktop saved so
[10:42] <Minataku> Type "ls Desktop"
[10:42] <Fred_G> genii- I want to keep both....but add this free block to Ubuntu
[10:42] <genii> Fred_G Since you can use both the Gnome and the KDE from a single install, is best to just do single boot if no other operating systems on there and amalgamate all the other partitions to one partition. then format and mount it
[10:42] <Minataku> Tell me if the tarball is in there
[10:42] <distro-tester> firefox.desktop  install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz  konversation.desktop
[10:42] <distro-tester> there u go
[10:42] <Minataku> Okay
[10:43] <Minataku> "mkdir tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> eheh thanx for help
[10:43] <genii> Fred_G: You don't need a separate Ubuntu and Kubuntu install. You can install the KDE part from a regular install of Ubuntu and then use either one you like
[10:43] <Minataku> "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> i have  to do  what now mkdir tmp?
[10:43] <Minataku> Yes, "mkdir tmp"
[10:43] <distro-tester> ok
[10:43] <Minataku> Then "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz tmp"
[10:44] <genii> Fred_G: The login screen will have the option to load the Gnome desktop or the KDE desktop
[10:44] <distro-tester> so i have to get root first?
[10:44] <Minataku> distro-tester: Not yet, just stay with me
[10:44] <distro-tester> ok
[10:44] <distro-tester> the mkd command dosen't work
[10:44] <Fred_G> genii - I just wated the "eye-candy showoff Beryl" stuff on a different distro from the Mint that I use for everyday
[10:44] <Minataku> What's the error?
[10:45] <Minataku> If it said nothing and just gave you the prompt again then it worked
[10:45] <distro-tester> kdir tmp
[10:45] <distro-tester> mkdir: cannot create directory `tmp': File exists
[10:45] <Minataku> Ah, my bad
[10:45] <Minataku> Try "mkdir temp"
[10:45] <distro-tester> ok
[10:45] <distro-tester> do rmp distros as fedora do it click and run the install whit zen?
[10:46] <distro-tester> just curius
[10:46] <distro-tester> or it's more hard here?
[10:46] <Minataku> At this time, will someone else please look and see where Kubuntu sticks the Firefox plugin directory? I'm gonna need that
[10:46] <distro-tester> it worked now said nothing
[10:46] <Minataku> Okay
[10:46] <Minataku> "mv Desktop/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz temp"
[10:46] <distro-tester> copy paste?
[10:47] <genii> Fred_G: OK, so the block with the space is hda2 in this case. You can do   sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda2      and then mount it somewhere
[10:47] <Minataku> Sure, if that's easier for you, you can also type a few letters then hit tab
[10:47] <Minataku> Like you would in the IRC client to autocomplete a nickname
[10:47] <distro-tester> done said nothing again
[10:47] <Minataku> The shell has that feature too
[10:47] <Minataku> "cd temp"
[10:47] <HymnToLife> Minataku, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[10:47] <Minataku> distro-tester: "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
[10:48] <distro-tester> ok done said nothing till now
[10:48] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Thanks
[10:48] <genii> Fred_G: To have it mounted every boot you need a fstab entry of course
[10:48] <Minataku> distro-tester: "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz" << Have you done this yet?
[10:48] <distro-tester> yes
[10:48] <distro-tester> says nothing everything i do
[10:48] <Minataku> Okay, there should be a new directory in there now
[10:48] <Minataku> cd to it
[10:48] <Minataku> Type "ls" to find out it's name if you have to
[10:48] <distro-tester> how u do that?
[10:49] <Fred_G> genii- think I'll just re-install both giving them the desired space..geezz
[10:49] <genii> eg:  /dev/hda2 /media/hda2     ext3    defaults
[10:49] <distro-tester> think it messed up dosen't work now
[10:49] <Minataku> Oh, it's "cd install_flash_player_9_linux"
[10:49] <Minataku> I forgot I kept all these files from when I installed it myself
[10:50] <genii> Fred_G: Well, that is also an option :) To save some space you can also only put 1 swap partition that both use
[10:50] <distro-tester> im doing everystep but nothing happens just copy pastes it to console
[10:50] <distro-tester> is that ok?
[10:50] <Minataku> Type "ls" and tell me what's there
[10:50] <Minataku> Or better
[10:50] <Minataku> Type "pwd" and tell me what it says
[10:50] <Fred_G> genii:THx
[10:51] <genii> Fred_G: Np
[10:51] <distro-tester> ls temp
[10:51] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[10:51] <JJikli> Hey guys.
[10:51] <distro-tester> there
[10:51] <JJikli> can anyone helpe me..
[10:51] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, then you didn't untar it
[10:51] <JJikli> I have 2 questions, basic level
[10:51] <Minataku> "tar xfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
[10:51] <Minataku> Type it without the "s
[10:51] <distro-tester> ok ill try again
[10:51] <YumeNoEien> jjikli im pretty new to but maybe i can help?
[10:52] <distro-tester> where is the s?
[10:52] <HymnToLife> !ask | JJikli
[10:52] <ubotu> JJikli: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:52] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, halt a sec
[10:52] <distro-tester> ok
[10:52] <Minataku> Type "pwd" and tell me what it says
[10:52] <JJikli> 1st. can I install Ubuntu on a machine with XP and can still use both the OS ??
[10:52] <JJikli> as in dual boot.
[10:52] <HymnToLife> JJikli, yes
[10:52] <YumeNoEien> jjikli: yes
[10:52] <genii> JJikli: Yes
[10:52] <distro-tester> do i have to put the  " when i copy paste minataku?
[10:53] <JJikli> so I go ahead and install ubuntu on my xp machine on a differtent partition and i am safe?
[10:53] <Minataku> No
[10:53] <Minataku> Leave those out
[10:53] <distro-tester> says nothing
[10:53] <HymnToLife> JJikli, yes
[10:53] <Minataku> I'm using them to set aside the commands
[10:53] <JJikli> thanks.
[10:53] <Minataku> distro-tester: Then something is wrong
[10:53] <distro-tester> home and my user name says that's all
[10:53] <genii> JJikli: Exactly. so long as XP has not hogged the entire drive
[10:53] <YumeNoEien> :p
[10:53] <Minataku> "pwd" is Print Working Directory
[10:53] <Minataku> distro-tester: Okay, so it did say something
[10:53] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, cd temp
[10:53] <Minataku> Type "cd temp"
[10:53] <JJikli> second, what is the optimum drive size that I should install ubuntu on. 1 gb? 2 gb? 5 gb??
[10:53] <Minataku> You told me you did that when you didn't
[10:54] <YumeNoEien> i have another CLI question if anyone has the time and patience :) how do i move multiple files in a single command?
[10:54] <Minataku> JJikli: More
[10:54] <malik> how do i check which version of flash i have installed in reality?
[10:54] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: Wildcards
[10:54] <distro-tester> ok ill try again
[10:54] <JJikli> Minataku, how much?
[10:54] <genii> JJikli: You need minimum of about 4G anything over that is fine. Also for swap size twice your amount of RAM is good
[10:54] <underdog5004> JJikli, I would make a / partition 10Gb, a swap, and then a /home partition with the rest
[10:54] <Minataku> distro-tester: Type "cd temp" then "pwd" and paste me back what it says
[10:54] <HymnToLife> YumeNoEien, mv file1 file2 file3 ... /path/to/destination/dir
[10:54] <distro-tester> ok
[10:54] <Minataku> Or that, if wildcards aren't practical
[10:54] <underdog5004> I love the CLI
[10:54] <JJikli> oh thanks a lot guys.
[10:54] <YumeNoEien> its some 20 .ogg files
[10:55] <Minataku> But if it's actually "file1 file2 file3" like that, "file*" gets them all
[10:55] <JJikli> I think I will install it on a 4 gb for now..
[10:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: "*.ogg* then
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> so i can just do *.ogg
[10:55] <Minataku> Er
[10:55] <underdog5004> or *.ogg
[10:55] <underdog5004> lol
[10:55] <Minataku> YumeNoEien: "*.ogg" then
[10:55] <Minataku> lol
[10:55] <HymnToLife> YumeNoEien, then mv *.ogg /some/dir
[10:55] <JJikli> God Bless Irc, Ubuntu, and You all.
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> cool :)
[10:55] <JJikli> Cheers.
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~$ cd temp
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~/temp$ pwd
[10:55] <distro-tester> /home/zen/temp
[10:55] <distro-tester> zen@USER:~/temp$
[10:55] <malik> how do i check which version of flash i have installed in reality?
[10:55] <Minataku> distro-tester: Good
[10:55] <Minataku> Now
[10:55] <distro-tester> is it dangerous my user name pastes out to?
[10:55] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, tar xzvf *.tar.gz
[10:55] <underdog5004> malik
[10:55] <YumeNoEien> thanks again for both your help :)
[10:55] <underdog5004> malik, in firefox, type about:plugins in the address bar
[10:55] <HymnToLife> @lart Minataku
[10:56] <genii> HymnToLife: What if he has some other tar.gz there??
[10:56] <underdog5004> distro-tester, not really
[10:56] <HymnToLife> genii, he doesn't
[10:56] <HymnToLife> as he just created the dir
[10:56] <Minataku> HymnToLife: Don't punk my kills, b?tch ;3
[10:56] <underdog5004> still, not good practice...
[10:56] <Minataku> XD
[10:56] <genii> Still, good practice to go like tar xvzf someuniquestartstring*.tar.gz
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/Readme.txt
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so
[10:56] <distro-tester> install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt
[10:56] <distro-tester> ok?
[10:56] <Minataku> Yes
[10:56] <distro-tester> thanx
[10:56] <underdog5004> !pastebin | distro-tester
[10:56] <ubotu> distro-tester: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:57] <Minataku> cd to that directory
[10:57] <distro-tester> ok how?
[10:57] <Minataku> "cd install_flash_player_9_linux"
[10:57] <underdog5004> cd /path/to/dir
[10:57] <distro-tester> btw u really save new users thanx comunity
[10:57] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, cd ins<tab>
[10:57] <Minataku> cd means Change Directory
[10:58] <distro-tester> cd install_flash_player_9_linux i copy pasted that
[10:58] <Minataku> It's all very intuitive once you get over the "OMG WHERE ARE THE ICONS" feeling
[10:58] <distro-tester> yes neads time
[10:58] <underdog5004> Minataku, kudos for that last one!
[10:58] <Minataku> distro-tester: Now, sudo ./flashplayer-installer
[10:58] <Minataku> underdog5004: Thanks ^^
[10:58] <distro-tester> even if rpm distros are more easy couse the click and run 99% we can count on the comunity help
[10:58] <distro-tester> sudo ./flashplayer-installer ok i copy paste this
[10:58] <Minataku> distro-tester: And I don't think Kubuntu has Flash Player 9 in a package yet
[10:58] <underdog5004> I find that when I'm in a CLI, I have to use my mind more to keep everything straight...a sort of virtual directory tree in my mind
[10:59] <HymnToLife> Minataku, yes it does
[10:59] <HymnToLife> !flash9
[10:59] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:59] <distro-tester> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[10:59] <distro-tester>        Adobe Flash Player installer.
[10:59] <distro-tester> wow
[10:59] <Minataku> Uh oh
[10:59] <Minataku> lol
[10:59] <underdog5004> you're screwed
[10:59] <distro-tester> and now?
[10:59] <Minataku> Sorry, pal, we're bust
[10:59] <underdog5004> chroot
[10:59] <underdog5004> !chroot
[10:59] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[10:59] <distro-tester> jesus here comes the hard side
[10:59] <underdog5004> except you can't compile flash...whoops
[10:59] <Minataku> distro-tester: Not gonna work on x86-64 >.<
[10:59] <malik> it just came as update"flashplugin-nonfree" version 9.0.r31
[10:59] <Theus> hi
[10:59] <Minataku> distro-tester: cd ~
[10:59] <Minataku> Do that
[11:00] <distro-tester> so i can't see stuff on web have to get back to xp ?
[11:00] <distro-tester> or there is a solution?
[11:00] <HymnToLife> Minataku, cd == cd ~ :)
[11:00] <underdog5004> weird... ~ and ~/ both go to my /home
[11:00] <Minataku> HymnToLife: My way teaches them better
[11:00] <distro-tester> does this mean i can't use linux minataku ?
[11:00] <Minataku> underdog5004: That's because ~ is short for /home/username
[11:00] <Minataku> distro-tester: You're using Linux right now
[11:01] <HymnToLife> distro-tester, no, it means you'll have a hard time using Flash
[11:01] <Minataku> You'll have to bother Adobe about it
[11:01] <distro-tester> yes but if i can't install flash i will loose every cool stuff on the web how do it do?
[11:01] <HymnToLife> !flash
[11:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:01] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[11:01] <Minataku> distro-tester: Send Adobe a very nasty email about it
[11:01] <distro-tester> like nearly everything on web uses java and flash im ruined like this
[11:01] <Minataku> XD
[11:01] <underdog5004> distro-tester, or just install the 32 bit version
[11:01] <Minataku> I don't know why there wouldn't be a Flash Player 9 for x64
[11:02] <underdog5004> or linux
[11:02] <underdog5004> Minataku, not too many 64-bit versions of anything out there
[11:02] <Minataku> But yeah, x64 is really just a crock right now
[11:02] <distro-tester> ok will it ruin my pc 32 version or it's identic?
[11:02] <Minataku> It's fine
[11:02] <distro-tester> perfect
[11:02] <Minataku> x64 chips can run x86 OSes
[11:02] <distro-tester> if u link me it we can install it and thanx for help
[11:02] <distro-tester> im amd 3000
[11:03] <Minataku> And you'll have a much happier time with an x86 OS anyway, even on an x64 chip
[11:03] <distro-tester> that's fine important i can use web as on xp and cam to
[11:03] <tone_> escaner epson 3170
[11:03] <distro-tester> later i tell u what impressed me over all installing firestarter i noticed a thing
[11:04] <macpheec> Hey folks...anyone have a clue why switching between an LCD and CRT would make my CRT have "sawtoothed" images at times?
[11:04] <Minataku> macpheec: Check the connections/cables
[11:04] <distro-tester> every 5 sec m$ runs a non windows os an attack trying to spy em that is the shoking reality i discoverd now on linux
[11:04] <Minataku> distro-tester: Indeed
[11:04] <distro-tester> immagine what we could of had using xp ahah
[11:04] <tone_> escaner 3170 ayuda comfiguracion en kubuntu
[11:04] <Minataku> !es | tone_
[11:04] <ubotu> tone_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:04] <malik> oki well adept tells me that flash is installed but while it was installing it said in verbose mode plugin not installed but adept says it installed n also in plugins section in FF it says its installed.............what do i do?
[11:05] <Minataku> malik: If FF says it's installed it's installed
[11:05] <Minataku> Period. :3
[11:05] <distro-tester> well this new reality has real positive sides even if u remain shoked for how naive we where before on xp
[11:05] <macpheec> Minatuka - Cables are a bit worn (harsh bend), but if I leave the machine alone, after 30 minutes or so, it eventually straightens itself.
[11:05] <Minataku> macpheec: Could be the video card is dodgy
[11:05] <Minataku> At least the CRT output part
[11:05] <Minataku> How old is the card?
[11:05] <distro-tester> ok mina can u link me the 32 bit version so we solve this ?
[11:06] <distro-tester> then i will see what i can do to install java hope adept has last version
[11:06] <Soul^Shadow> I hate ppl
[11:06] <Minataku> distro-tester: Get the x86 or i386 or i686 version of Kubuntu
[11:06] <macpheec> Both are coming off the same RGB input...laptop is ~1.5y old.
[11:06] <Minataku> macpheec: Hm... that is weird
[11:06] <TheHermit> Help....How to add beryl to the session or make it the defualt manager
[11:06] <distro-tester> ok i download 32 bit version of flash and brb
[11:06] <Minataku> Perhaps the video card is just a bit dodgy
[11:06] <Soul^Shadow> running nessus but get errror  on connect
[11:06] <nagyv> !beryl
[11:06] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:07] <gonzalo> !upgrade
[11:07] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[11:07] <distro-tester> do i have to take 7 ?
[11:07] <Minataku> Soul^Shadow: Try #nessus for questions about Nessus
[11:07] <macpheec> Minataku - It is.  Especially since it cycles.  Would frequency troubles do dat?
[11:07] <distro-tester> or 9
[11:07] <Soul^Shadow> Nobody there
[11:07] <Minataku> distro-tester: No, no, install the 32bit version of Kunbuntu
[11:07] <Minataku> *Kubuntu
[11:07] <Soul^Shadow> this why I ignore poptarts
[11:07] <distro-tester> o
[11:07] <Minataku> Soul^Shadow: Well nobody in here knows Nessus so asking every 5 minutes isn't gonna help
[11:08] <Soul^Shadow> I been gon half hour poptart IGNORING 1 NOOB
[11:08] <me__> hi
[11:08] <distro-tester> o i got what u said now that 64 bit version of kubuntu ubuntu  will give me problems couse many programs are still not ready for it as flash and so on right?
[11:09] <distro-tester> but it's the fault of others not linux
[11:09] <distro-tester> is this what u trying to say minataku?
[11:10] <underdog5004> distro-tester, right
[11:10] <distro-tester> it's sad we can't be 64 bit do
[11:10] <underdog5004> distro-tester, the os is fully 64-bit...but drivers/programs/etc aren't
[11:10] <distro-tester> but ok
[11:10] <distro-tester> i know
[11:11] <distro-tester> sadely
[11:11] <distro-tester> now
[11:11] <underdog5004> ride the split
[11:11] <distro-tester> i run 6.10 is it stable or i must take 6,06 underdog of kubuntu?
[11:11] <underdog5004> 6.10 is stable
[11:11] <Soul^Shadow> im having connection issue
[11:11] <underdog5004> for me
[11:11] <underdog5004> everyone is
[11:12] <underdog5004> ride the split, babt'
[11:12] <underdog5004> baby
[11:12] <HymnToLife> !netsplit
[11:12] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[11:12] <HymnToLife> s/an/han
[11:12] <underdog5004> HymnToLife, lol, enjoy the show
[11:13] <HymnToLife> I could even have done s/a/ha
[11:13] <underdog5004> ok, who's here?
[11:13] <underdog5004> I am
[11:13] <distro-tester> im here
[11:13] <underdog5004> here we go...they're coming back
[11:14] <distro-tester> so u got 64 bit to dog and have to run 32 as me?
[11:14] <underdog5004> distro-tester, nope, just read about all the problems...
[11:14] <underdog5004> XP_64 has the same issues
[11:14] <Minataku> Okay, now I _KNOW_ this had to have finished by now
[11:14] <underdog5004> If you can't install 64 bit progs on your machine, what's the point of a 64-bit os?
[11:15] <Kefkachu> My only 64bit machine is a Sun Ultra 5
[11:15] <Kefkachu> lol
[11:15] <distro-tester> your right
[11:15] <underdog5004> Kefkachu, whoa
[11:15] <underdog5004> server?
[11:15] <Kefkachu> Workstation
[11:15] <underdog5004> oh
[11:15] <distro-tester> u see how they keep linux behind or this happens to windows to couse 64 bit is not ready for all os yet?
[11:16] <Kubuntu|slave> as I said connection issues
[11:16] <distro-tester> does vista or xp 64 bit have same problems as us now?
[11:16] <Kefkachu> I'd have to look up my password so it's lazier for me to just wait for Minataku to ping out
[11:16] <Kefkachu> lol
[11:16] <Kubuntu|slave> u got new vista or old beta 2?
[11:17] <distro-tester> who?
[11:17] <Kubuntu|slave> u, Microsoft = problems
[11:17] <Kubuntu|slave> :P
[11:18] <distro-tester> no
[11:18] <distro-tester> i was asking if windows had same problems whit us on 64 bit os to find programs as linux
[11:18] <distro-tester> ?
[11:18] <Kubuntu|slave> I replied anything microsoft = problems :P
[11:18] <underdog5004> I believe so
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> I got vista beta 2 sucks
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> 32 7 64 bit horrible
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> &*
[11:19] <underdog5004> lol, my boss likes vista...I don't know why...such a resource hog
[11:19] <distro-tester> vista = virus intruders trojans adware
[11:19] <Kubuntu|slave> is your boss a dee dee dee :P
[11:19] <underdog5004> nice
[11:19] <underdog5004> lol
[11:20] <distro-tester> plus it's a copy of mac tiger os x
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> all windows have spyware :P
[11:20] <distro-tester> a bad one even
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> alexia 7 several others
[11:20] <Kubuntu|slave> &*
[11:20] <underdog5004> not really...I got him to install edgy on his lappy, and we're selling computers w/ linux now as well...
[11:20] <underdog5004> or at least offer the choice
[11:20] <underdog5004> we also have a stack of CD-R's w/ edgy that people can purchase for the cost of the cd...pretty sweet!
[11:20] <distro-tester> what i loose if i go 32 underdog just a bit of speed vs 64 im now ?
[11:21] <juano__> how do i use the & ampersand in konsole, i need to get into a dir with that symbol and it takes it for a command
[11:21] <distro-tester> that respect to xp it's still a ferrari and super stable
[11:21] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I think a bit of speed, but you will gain a bunch of functionality
[11:21] <Kubuntu|slave> he sing new vista? bill gates offers free upgrade, ("UNBELIVABLE HUH")
[11:21] <underdog5004> juano__, probably a code ie %32
[11:21] <Kubuntu|slave> using*
[11:21] <distro-tester> and i won't notice it as im used to xp heeh
[11:21] <underdog5004> or something...I know %20 is a space
[11:21] <distro-tester> a snail
[11:21] <juano__> underdog5004: ok , thanks!
[11:22] <underdog5004> juano__, no %32 is not the code!
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> if you use XP sp3 its not too bad
[11:22] <underdog5004> ya gotta look around for it...
[11:22] <juano__> underdog5004: ok
[11:22] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, uh...xp sp3 isn't out yet...
[11:22] <distro-tester> they told me this every 5 seconds attacks by m$ servers and ip's are normal once u move to linux u see what u had on pc using xp we lucky to have firestarter
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> yes it is im using iton my pc's
[11:22] <Kubuntu|slave> its a mod :)
[11:23] <Kubuntu|slave> its on isohunt
[11:23] <distro-tester> i even get attacks every 5 sec from endonkey servers and samba what does that mean?
[11:24] <underdog5004> distro-tester, wait...attacks from MS machines? I think firestarter is misinterpreting something
[11:24] <distro-tester> yes like dcom
[11:24] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, oh, not the official one...gotcha...
[11:24] <juano__> anyone know what the %NUM for ampersand is?
[11:24] <distro-tester> ms sql
[11:24] <underdog5004> Kubuntu|slave, what do you gain?
[11:24] <duns> Hello All - I'm new to Linux and was wondering if someone could give me some advice (help) on installing Firefox
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns
[11:25] <underdog5004> I gotcha
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns, open up a Konsole
[11:25] <malik> duns: are u using kubuntu?
[11:25] <duns> yes
[11:25] <duns> Underdog its done
[11:25] <underdog5004> duns, open up a konsole (command line prompt) and type sudo apt-get install firefox
[11:25] <tamacracka> Hey guys? Does anyone know if there's a Youtube video ripper for linux?
[11:25] <duns> (opened)
[11:25] <distro-tester> ms sql -s  samba and docm are the one i get over all every 5 seconds and endonkey
[11:26] <distro-tester> all tcp
[11:26] <underdog5004> tamacracka, there is a plugin for firefox that'll work
[11:26] <tamacracka> sweet
[11:26] <tamacracka> do you happen to know the name of it?
[11:26] <distro-tester> what u think of that dog?
[11:26] <underdog5004> videodownloader I think
[11:26] <genii> mozilla-firefox
[11:26] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I don't know
[11:26] <tamacracka> you're awesome underdog5004!!!
[11:26] <underdog5004> genii, oh really? my bad
[11:26] <underdog5004> duns, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[11:27] <underdog5004> genii, firefox works too
[11:27] <distro-tester> but i seen forums it's m$ pc who are % zombi pc's or worms trojans that send attacks or them trying to spy u i think
[11:27] <distro-tester> servers to
[11:27] <distro-tester> couse 99% of ip's come from uncle bill pc's
[11:28] <duns> Underdog you rock thanks!
[11:28] <distro-tester> he's cool where u from underdog?
[11:28] <duns> I didn't type in Mozilla but it still located it
[11:29] <distro-tester> duns do u get many attacks to from m$ pc and servers and endokey samba?
[11:29] <distro-tester> endonkey*
[11:30] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[11:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:31] <jordo23> Were there a lot of KDE updates today or something?  My adept updater is showing a ton of them...
[11:32] <duns> Distro what the hell do you mean?
[11:32] <genii> Yeah see the topic for this channel about new KDE
[11:32] <jordo23> genii: Oh....cool.....new KDe.....
[11:33] <jordo23> genii: Any notable changes?
[11:33] <Minataku> Ew, new KDE XD j/k
[11:33] <genii> jordo23 None that I've noticed :)
[11:34] <avenger_> nabend allerseits
[11:34] <Minataku> !de | avenger_
[11:34] <ubotu> avenger_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:34] <nitro4ce> is firefox able to use gtk-qt engine? because i have it installed but it still looks ugly.. (boxy buttons, not the kde theme buttons)
[11:35] <distro-tester> ok i will download 32 bit version then mina lucky im fast so il 50 min it's ready
[11:35] <distro-tester> how u install wine as adept dosen't have it?
[11:35] <jordo23> genii: Ok....thanks.....thought something was wrong with ADEPT....
[11:35] <nitro4ce> when i installed gtk-qt engines, other programs like gimp were fixed, but not firefox..
[11:36] <nitro4ce> am i missing any package?
[11:36] <distro-tester> any one knows how ti install wine i can't find it in adept
[11:36] <Kubuntu|slave> d/l it
[11:37] <Kubuntu|slave> then install it  :P
[11:37] <Minataku> !wine
[11:37] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:37] <nitro4ce> distro-tester: modify your sources.list
[11:37] <Minataku> Just read that page
[11:37] <Minataku> That's what it's there for XD
[11:37] <nitro4ce> when i installed gtk-qt engines, other programs like gimp were fixed, but not firefox..
[11:37] <distro-tester> u must teach me how to backup to minataky so i don't nead reinstall if i crash adept as last times
[11:38] <distro-tester> how u back up programs?
[11:38] <distro-tester> i found keep but don't know how to use it
[11:38] <Minataku> m
[11:38] <Minataku> Hm
[11:38] <Minataku> !backup
[11:38] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[11:38] <Minataku> Yay!
[11:38] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[11:39] <Minataku> As many times as I've been bit by explosions, I still don't back things up >.<
[11:39] <nitro4ce> is firefox able to use gtk-qt engine? because i have it installed but it still looks ugly.. (boxy buttons, not the kde theme buttons)
[11:39] <genii> !bacula
[11:39] <ubotu> bacula: Network backup, recovery and verification (Meta-package). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.38.11-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 84 kB
[11:39] <distro-tester> tell me how ofthen u get attacks minataku i mean what firestarter reports so we can compare mines
[11:40] <distro-tester> im curius to see if every one is under attack as forums says by m$
[11:40] <Minataku> Attacked? Constant benign hits from wherever
[11:40] <Minataku> Nothing ever serious
[11:40] <Minataku> Just various internet noise
[11:40] <Minataku> I've only been DDoSed once
[11:40] <distro-tester> yes that firestarter turns red i mine every 5 sec
[11:41] <Minataku> Yeah, it's probably just noise
[11:41] <Minataku> I wouldn't worry about any of it
[11:41] <Minataku> Especially not when you have a Linux machine
[11:41] <distro-tester> this are my attackers samba smb ms sql s docm scm edonkey no just curius
[11:41] <distro-tester> i don't worry
[11:41] <Minataku> Remember, you're driving a tank on the internet now, not a cardboard box with armor duct-taped to it
[11:41] <distro-tester> heeh
[11:42] <distro-tester> right
[11:42] <distro-tester> even if mac is more secure on charts and bsd wins it all but we are very secure still
[11:42] <Minataku> And that armor is only if you're running a REAL firewall
[11:42] <Minataku> Not the lousy Windows one
[11:42] <distro-tester> firestarter
[11:42] <distro-tester> i love it
[11:43] <Minataku> Piyoko has no firewall, the router takes care of that capability anyway
[11:43] <distro-tester> but u see u can secure windows has much u want and put this and that on it when 99% of people who make windoes os and are the one who make bugs and infections hacks for it says it all
[11:43] <distro-tester> ehehe
[11:43] <Hoxxin_> so should be afraid if i run linux and i have a modem bridged?
[11:43] <distro-tester> bridged means?
[11:44] <Minataku> I gotta go, time for food
[11:44] <distro-tester> later
[11:44] <distro-tester> what does that means Hoxxin?
[11:44] <blanky> hey guys
[11:44] <Hoxxin_> i mean the traffic goes straight through, otherwise the modem has one ip and computer another right?
[11:45] <blanky> my friend has mp3 support installed and all (even lame), but he goes to try and burn mp3s to an audio cd and k3b says it's an incompatible format, what should he do? he's new to linux, I installed it for him just yesterday
[11:46] <distro-tester> im not espert on that are u 56 k?
[11:46] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester no adsl
[11:46] <distro-tester> then u should get a god router
[11:46] <Ash-Fox> Anyone happen to have a solution to my hardware prolem? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2070713
[11:46] <distro-tester> good*
[11:46] <distro-tester> even god
[11:46] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye a God router would be even better :P
[11:47] <distro-tester> blanky hold on no one here at moment to help u
[11:47] <distro-tester> hehe i advise u us robotics or d link makes good cheap ones
[11:47] <blanky> distro-tester: thanks
[11:47] <blanky> distro-tester: I fixed it, thanks
[11:47] <distro-tester> welcome
[11:47] <distro-tester> i love to be part of the ubuntu comunity
[11:47] <waylandbill> blanky. the cd is going to end up CD-Audio or mp3-cd?
[11:47] <hatta> or iptables
[11:47] <distro-tester> im a socialist ahah
[11:47] <blanky> waylandbill: cd audio, i got it though thanks
[11:48] <blanky> i just needed libk3b2-mp3
[11:48] <distro-tester> well iptables rus by defoult so u just nead to configure the gui firewall
[11:48] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester if i run windows on my adsl modem it takes about 2 secs and computer is stuffed with crap cause of the traffic getting right through, forgot to unplug one time during a win install :P
[11:48] <waylandbill> oh. ok.. cause you could've 2 stepped it ... to wav then to CD.
[11:48] <distro-tester> yes that's normal
[11:48] <waylandbill> good thing you got it tho.
[11:49] <distro-tester> u recive many uncontrolled packet data but a rounter whit a good built in firewall should solve that
[11:49] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye
[11:49] <distro-tester> router*
[11:49] <distro-tester> btw im nat so don't worry to much
[11:49] <distro-tester> plus i got firestarter use that to
[11:50] <waylandbill> distro-tester: never hurts to belt and suspenders with a software firewall.
[11:50] <Hoxxin_> ok
[11:50] <distro-tester> software fw for windows is trash couse it's made by same people who are one whit m$ to make u buy stuff
[11:50] <distro-tester> unless u get open source ones or hardware ones u not very safe
[11:50] <waylandbill> under win32 especially ... never know if something's going outbound unknown
[11:51] <darthdual> Anybody know of a good java IDE for linux
[11:51] <gabriel> hello
[11:51] <distro-tester> of course are u all ways root on windows
[11:51] <waylandbill> there's plenty of win32 OSS projects going lately it seems tho
[11:51] <user1> darthdual: have u tried Eclipse
[11:51] <waylandbill> distro-tester: you aren't always root unless you took it out of the box and used it that way.
[11:52] <darthdual> no not yet but is it known to be good
[11:52] <distro-tester> u see the 1 thing they try to hack u is the administrator password on windows
[11:52] <Hoxxin_> anyone of u heard/read of reactos then? u think it has a future??
[11:52] <darthdual> sable
[11:52] <darthdual> stable
[11:52] <distro-tester> yes way but it's not as on linux u can still be hacked easy even as user
[11:52] <user1> I use it
[11:52] <elyon225> I having a problem where every now and then when a user select End Session, it goes to shutdown instead, but hangs at a black screen... I need to do Ctrl-Alt-Delete to continue...  Any ideas?
[11:52] <distro-tester> btw tell me how can u be secure on a os that has over 60.000 bugs
[11:53] <distro-tester> ehehe
[11:53] <waylandbill> not limited one with the right rules in place.. so your kid has to ask you for the password to install something.. :-D
[11:53] <blanky> guys, k3b gave me an error "Cdrecord has no permission to open the device
[11:53] <blanky> : you may use K3bsetup2 to solve this problem
[11:53] <blanky> " when I tried to burn a CD, what should I do?
[11:53] <Hoxxin_> user1 u use reactos??
[11:53] <darthdual> Are you guys saying that as user I can hack root?
[11:53] <user1> Hoxxin_: no
[11:53] <Hoxxin_> user1 oh ok
[11:54] <distro-tester> i personaly advise to put xp one place unless u professional work whit it or are a gamer but a dubble partion will solve that the place is the trash bin
[11:54] <darthdual> How do you keep a user from hacking root?
[11:54] <distro-tester> for the rest linux is ready for home use
[11:54] <distro-tester> a good password 1 of all
[11:54] <elyon225> darthdual: Set a good password for yourself (the administrator)
[11:55] <darthdual> good meaning strong?
[11:55] <darthdual> combinatorially?
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: That would probably be the case :)
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: Huh? lol
[11:55] <distro-tester> yes u can find programs that make u strong passes darth
[11:55] <darthdual> math talk.
[11:55] <distro-tester> use a combination of letters and numbers
[11:55] <darthdual> ok,
[11:55] <distro-tester> and 8 lines long at least
[11:55] <elyon225> darthdual: The only person that can run root commands is the user you setup when installing.
[11:55] <darthdual> 8 lines?
[11:56] <elyon225> darthdual: I think he means characters.
[11:56] <distro-tester> btw even if they hack u they can't do the damage of xp on linux couse it has a different structure
[11:56] <waylandbill> darthdual: disable password and make a private-public key pair login.
[11:56] <darthdual> Are there any popular biometric solutions yet?
[11:56] <elyon225> darthdual: Use a combination also of lower- and upper-case letters.
[11:56] <waylandbill> just don't lose the private key unless you can access the box
[11:56] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester u play win games on linux?
[11:57] <LeeJunFan> Is it just me or is kopete's crypto plugin totally borked with 3.5.6?
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> Thank you for all your help everyone
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> I'm going to bed now
[11:57] <waylandbill> hard to crack a password if keyboard authentication is disabled remotely.
[11:57] <sparr> upgrading my kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.20 resulted in my promise IDE RAID controller's drives showing up as scsi disks instead of ide disks.  any tips on fixing that?
[11:57] <distro-tester> no only game i play is america's army but run on linux even if older version
[11:57] <darthdual> You know what would be great, if I could use some sort of voice recognition to log on.
[11:57] <YumeSleepy> and have pleasant dreams where windows is a small company with 10 employees and linux rules the world
[11:58] <stdin> sparr: that's normal, and intentional
[11:58] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ok
[11:58] <distro-tester> but u can emulate games on linux whit wine or cadega but u must $ for it
[11:58] <distro-tester> u play games?
[11:58] <exel_> necesito ayuda
[11:58] <distro-tester> if your a gamer the best solution is dubble partion xp linux
[11:58] <sparr> stdin: its scary, and broke part of my fstab
[11:58] <exel_> ola, necesito ayuda
[11:59] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester wine is free and cedega is 5$/month or something ye
[11:59] <waylandbill> wine and cedega doesn't support DX9 though.
[11:59] <stdin> sparr: that's why the default is to use UUIDs now
[11:59] <exel_> alguien habla espaol
[11:59] <exel_> 
[11:59] <sparr> stdin: i am using UUIDs
[11:59] <stdin> sparr: here's the background on it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks
[11:59] <distro-tester> im new to linux so don't know what's dx9 but think dubble partion is the best for gamers
[11:59] <stdin> !es | exel_
[11:59] <ubotu> exel_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[11:59] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester i have win on my gaming machine, if it wasnt for games id turn completely to linux
[12:00] <distro-tester> ok importat u don't use xp more then games do
[12:00] <waylandbill> distro-tester: DirectX 9... M$'s gaming interface.
[12:00] <distro-tester> or u loose to be secure 90%
[12:00] <distro-tester> o yes thanx
[12:00] <waylandbill> DX8 is mostly supported under those projects.
[12:00] <stdin> sparr: it was a bit strange for me when hda turned it to sda, but the guys at #ubuntu-devel explained it to me
[12:01] <distro-tester> yes linux is not for gamers for the rest can do all moast any thing and soon everthing now it's future compatible mac m$
[12:01] <Thehound666> almost setup the way I want but something I'm not clear on
[12:01] <waylandbill> what out though.. World of warcraft banned a bunch of clients for 'cheating' when they simply had a linux client.
[12:01] <waylandbill> s/what/watch
[12:01] <Thehound666> how do I get iptables config to survive reboots?
[12:01] <Thehound666> or power failures
[12:02] <distro-tester> problem of dx8 is that u can play old games only recent games run all 9x up
[12:02] <sparr> stdin: ok...  so now i need to repair my fstab (and i needed to add things anyways).  how do i get the UUIDs for all the drives?
[12:02] <Phlosten> Thehound666: one method is loading your iptables config from a scipt on boot
[12:02] <distro-tester> but a dubble partion won't arm u if your a gamer there's no best solution then that yet
[12:02] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester i think the day when it comes a program which is easy to start pc games and run them under linux is gonna be the dooms day for pc :D
[12:02] <Thehound666> WINE does support *some* DX9
[12:02] <Thehound666> more than I can say for VMWare
[12:02] <aegis> Hey, I think I screwed up my Linux installation... could anyone help?
[12:03] <stdin> sparr: just run blkid from konsole (it may need sudo)
[12:03] <Thehound666> I tried a script. Maybe did it wrong
[12:03] <Hirvinen> !asking | aegis
[12:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:03] <aegis> I tried changing the monitor settings and it got all messed up
[12:03] <Thehound666> any chance of a sample paste and directory it goes in?
[12:03] <Hirvinen> !ask
[12:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:03] <Thehound666> I did etc/init'd
[12:03] <distro-tester> eheh i think that will never happen Hoxxin linux is not made to play but for compatible side it's not far now novell is whit m$
[12:03] <waylandbill> not that windows is amazing with gaming. consoles are blowing the pc away these days.
[12:03] <distro-tester> yes if u want to play best u get a ps3
[12:04] <Hoxxin_> distro-tester ye well...
[12:04] <Thehound666> I disagree with way but feel gaming is all Windows is good for
[12:04] <duns> pfft hell now Distro PS3  blow
[12:04] <distro-tester> console are so advanced now it's a waste to $ on video cards and play on pc
[12:04] <aegis> Well, I installed Kubuntu on a VM run from OS X... all was working fine until I tried to change the settings for my monitor
[12:04] <Phlosten> Thehound666: once you put it in /etc/init.d/ you need to tell your system when to run it. just trying to remember what that command is..
[12:04] <Thehound666> lol aegis is it VMWare?
[12:04] <aegis> It defaulted to 1024x768, which worked okay, but it was slightly blurry (native monitor resolution is 1280x800)
[12:04] <Hoxxin_> well im off to bed, nn
[12:04] <distro-tester> ps3 will be some thing never seen before it's all ready shocking the world so no nead of windows eheh
[12:04] <aegis> not VMWare, I used Parallels
[12:05] <Thehound666> ahh
[12:05] <Thehound666> thought maybe you tried the new mac VMWare
[12:05] <Thehound666> that's still beta
[12:05] <aegis> Anyways, I tried switching to the native resolution, but I think it switched to 1600x1200
[12:05] <distro-tester> i think thy will soon find a way to play pc games that don't go out on console soon on them
[12:05] <waylandbill> Thehound666: that's ok.. my thought is PS3 and Wii make an XP box look like the original 8-bit Nintendo. We all have out opinions
[12:05] <aegis> The odd part is, it didn't screw up too badly, it just centered the 1280x800 viewport in the middle of my 1600x1200 desktop
[12:06] <Thehound666> maybe it's like vmware in the fact you have to invoke the driver command line to change resolution
[12:06] <distro-tester> wayland u got ps3 and wii?
[12:06] <waylandbill> god my keyboard skills are lacking tonight.
[12:06] <aegis> I tried then to restart X in console mode, and edited the xorg.conf file to get rid of some resolutions, and now it won't ever boot to the desktop regardless
[12:06] <distro-tester> here in italy will be out soon ps3 im whit 2 now
[12:06] <distro-tester> no sorry i read u bad
[12:07] <Thehound666> ok go into recovery mode by booting to it in the menu
[12:07] <Thehound666> press esc to get that menu
[12:07] <waylandbill> Wii... friend has ps3.
[12:07] <sparr> stdin: thanks.  now ive gotta open my case and re-label all my drives  :)
[12:07] <Thehound666> not type
[12:07] <Thehound666> let me think
[12:07] <Thehound666> ahh
[12:07] <distro-tester> u know what Hoxxin if u still there i wish they will keep making america's army for linux it's stuck to 2.5 now and for xp it's 2.8 out
[12:07] <stdin> sparr: heh :)
[12:07] <aegis> When I reboot kubuntu now, I get to the login screen (set to 1600x1200 and working, go figure)
[12:07] <distro-tester> that's the only game i care for now
[12:08] <aegis> but if I boot into my account it will kick me back to the login screen
[12:08] <Thehound666> what was the command
[12:08] <aegis> and if I boot to console, I can't start X again because it keeps crashing
[12:08] <distro-tester> hey some guy on ubuntu just pvt me asking if it was true i got attacks from m$ and samba is that normal or i have to worry?
[12:08] <Thehound666> I know it's something reconfigure xorg-xserver
[12:08] <waylandbill> never played america's army... mmofps I assume.
[12:08] <sparr> stdin: got tired of not knowing which drive was which when i had the case open, so they all have pencil'd device names on them
[12:08] <sparr> waylandbill: normal fps, not mm
[12:09] <Phlosten> Thehound666: update-rd.d is the command you need,. run 'man update-rd.d' to read about it. runs something like 'update-rc.d default /script'
[12:09] <Phlosten> Thehound666: update-rc.d
[12:09] <distro-tester> yes  way the best fps ever made usa army makes it and it's 100% free moast played online game in the world
[12:09] <Thehound666> oh I meant for him
[12:09] <sparr> distro-tester: iirc, the linux AA guy lost his funding/time/something and isnt working on it any more
[12:09] <Thehound666> to reconfigure xserver on non boot
[12:09] <stdin> sparr: I can normally just look at them and see, but then I do only have 3
[12:09] <Thehound666> in recovery mode
[12:10] <distro-tester> u know if he will get back or how to contact him ?
[12:10] <distro-tester> sparr
[12:10] <sparr> stdin: heh, i removed the noisiest one with my latest hardware reorganization, now i only have 6 :)
[12:10] <waylandbill> distro-tester: ok.. I think I saw it on wikipedia .. on page with tremulus
[12:10] <sparr> distro-tester: i doubt it.  google for details.
[12:10] <distro-tester> ill give u site hold
[12:10] <ghostdog> this might be a trivial question, but I remember a while back in dapper (using edgy now), when I popped in a dvd, the title of it would display on the desktop icon
[12:10] <distro-tester> thanx sparr btw there is a guy on ubuntu pvt me asking if i it's true i get attacks by m$ and samba is that normal?
[12:10] <ghostdog> does not do that anymore, do I have to edit something in hal?
[12:11] <Minataku> Light beer... that's just so against what beer was meant to be... a liquid meal
[12:11] <distro-tester> but dosen't answer me when i reply him
[12:11] <Minataku> It didn't get the name "liquid bread" because someone liquified bread to make it :P
[12:11] <distro-tester> is there any rules of not speaking to strangers i must know minataku in linux world?
[12:11] <distro-tester> couse this is odd
[12:12] <Thehound666> oh I see for the update rc'.d
[12:12] <aegis> Anyone have a clue how I can get a login? Whenever I log in, it looks like it tries to draw the desktop, fails, and goes back to the login screen
[12:12] <Minataku> distro-tester: Just the same usual things that come with common sense, distro-tester
[12:12] <aegis> but it doesn't explicitly say login failed
[12:12] <Minataku> aegis: Something in X did
[12:12] <Minataku> The error is traced in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:12] <aegis> Yeah, I gather that much, but I don't know what, much less how to fix it
[12:12] <waylandbill> aegis: look at the X logs in /var/log
[12:12] <Minataku> It'll be near the bottom
[12:12] <Thehound666> typoed it this time. I seen it in a script
[12:12] <distro-tester> so maby it was some m$ samba staff who was curius who knows
[12:12] <sparr> stdin: the most annoying part is that the pata/libata/whatever isnt skipping letters like the "old" ide drivers did
[12:12] <aegis> kk one sec I'll pull it up
[12:12] <Thehound666> syntax it spit out
[12:12] <Thehound666> thanks
[12:12] <distro-tester> here u got way http://www.americasarmy.com/
[12:12] <sparr> stdin: i guess that makes UUID almost a requirement
[12:13] <waylandbill> aegis: use tail or just scroll to the bottom
[12:13] <Minataku> distro-tester: Samba is SMB, the NFS of Windows
[12:13] <distro-tester> that explains all
[12:13] <Minataku> Because Microsoft, as usual, said NFS wasn't "good enough"
[12:13] <Minataku> So they made a half-assed copy
[12:13] <Minataku> As is their usual way
[12:13] <distro-tester> i think they hitting on us to spy and that guy is a infiltrated
[12:13] <distro-tester> to curius on linux users
[12:13] <Minataku> Now that every Unix user uses it, they go and change it to "SMB2" in Vista
[12:14] <Minataku> distro-tester: Chill, they're not the USSR or the KGB
[12:14] <Minataku> lol
[12:14] <distro-tester> yes that's exactely who attacks me samba smb
[12:14] <Minataku> They're just an arsehole corporation
[12:14] <stdin> sparr: defiantly makes things easier when they change names
[12:14] <waylandbill> distro-tester: you may look into sshd rather than samba.. a port is available for win32... does file transfers nicely.
[12:14] <distro-tester> no just hate to be spyied
[12:14] <distro-tester> ehhh
[12:14] <Minataku> You're not being spied on
[12:14] <Thehound666> what is Vista's filesyste? just curious(please say ext3)
[12:14] <Minataku> Calm down, excessive paranoia is bad for you
[12:14] <Thehound666> filesystem*
[12:14] <Minataku> Thehound666: NTFS
[12:14] <distro-tester> only couse we got great firestarter who blocks all curius eyes
[12:14] <Minataku> Same as it ever was