[12:21] crimsun: You aboot? [12:21] more content, more content *whip* [12:22] ?? [12:22] contentless ping [12:23] Yeah, so? :-) [12:23] bddebian: about bug #76544: are you sure the Ubuntu changes aren't needed anymore? [12:23] Malone bug 76544 in fnfx "[Sync Request] fnfx 0.3-12" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76544 [12:23] crimsun: What's up with beep-media-player? [12:24] geser: No, that should probably be rejected but I think a lot of the changes could/should go away === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:29] Gah, I hate these where we have strayed from Debian and now it's like what makes sense and what doesn't... [12:33] bddebian: yes? === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:34] Heya ScottK [12:35] heya [12:35] crimsun: I was just curious what was up with beep-media-player [12:36] bddebian: if you'd like to merge it, feel free (I'm short on time). Note the changes to the image files (default skin). [12:36] yeah, I saw that :) [12:36] Hmm, should we sync/merge a package with 3 RC bugs in Debian? :) [12:36] persia already did a merge. it only needs review and sponsoring [12:36] geser: Well what are you waiting for? :-) [12:38] well, persia has noted it blocking on maintainer mangling, though I think that's a superfluous blocker. [12:38] bddebian: fix the bugs :) [12:38] (bug 79065) [12:38] Malone bug 79065 in beep-media-player "merge beep-media-player 0.9.7.1+cvs20050803-2 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79065 [12:38] heya everybody [12:39] Heya Toadstool [12:42] Whats the best way of putting a homepage URL in a package description? [12:43] As in, at the end, with the homepage keyword? [12:43] " .\n Homepage: "? [12:43] " Homepage: " (note the two spaces at the begin) [12:44] ok thanks guys. [12:44] I thought the long description only needed one space at the end. [12:44] beginning sorry [12:45] TheMuso: the second space has a special meaning: no word-wrap [12:45] ah ok. [12:45] crimsun: are you going to upload the bmp merge? [12:46] geser: no, I'm not near my keys. [12:46] ok, I will do it if you don't mind [12:46] that's fine. === bddebian goes back to being useless [12:48] bddebian: you could merge fnfx :) [12:49] No thanks [12:50] I've looked at it twice and somerville32 has tried a couple I think === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] Heh, I can try, if you want. [12:55] Go for it [12:56] Can someone help me how to fix packaging bugs? [12:56] We can try [12:56] Upload an usual debdiff? === Toadstool doesn't fix bugs, he creates them [12:56] heh === coNP was sent here from #ubuntu-bugs [12:57] okay, not sent [12:59] coNP: prepare a debdiff fixing the bug, attach it to the bug report and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsor (or whatever the name is) or poke a MOTU here :) [01:00] Toadstool: as is the usual process, isn't it? === Tonio_ [n=dinofly@vbo91-1-82-238-217-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] bddebian ping ? [01:01] coNP: yep [01:01] bddebian should I really add any copyright of any file of a project in debian/copyright ? [01:02] bddebian that's really ridiculous, unreadable, and unmaintainable === segfault [i=segfault@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] Tonio_: how many of them are different? [01:02] Tonio_: Well I've had to but I'm now where near an expert on the licensing stuff. I tend to agree with you. :-) [01:02] azeem dozens........ [01:03] yummy [01:03] bddebian and the typo IS FIXED for at least two uploads :) [01:03] bddebian s/from/of not the oposite :) [01:03] Yeah, I noticed [01:03] bddebian I which that guy to revu the kdebase package and have fun in that case [01:03] about 3000 different copyrights there [01:03] I agree for the lgpl to be mentionned [01:04] but that's all [01:04] I'm not going to mention all copyrights, that's a pure bullshit ! [01:04] Works for me :) [01:04] or !!! or I'm doing this : [01:05] grep -d recurse '(C)' ./ >> debian/copyright [01:05] and have fun to revu [01:05] I was about to post a flamming reply on revu, but I prefer to flame here, it'll have disapear on tomorrow :) [01:05] revu stays online, that's dangerous :) [01:06] heh [01:07] Tonio_: this channel is logged too :) [01:08] Hmm, what about all those libcommons-* merges... [01:10] Toadstool: true, but well I had to empty my brain on that point :) [01:10] heh [01:10] some expectations on revu are sometimes ridiculous... [01:10] how to maintain a package if every copyright on any file has to be mentionned, including headers ? that impossible [01:10] you're talking about jabbin? [01:11] yup [01:11] I agree concerning the lplg, I missed it and will mention it, but for the copyrights...... [01:11] imagin the same requirement for kdelibs..... [01:12] well, technically you're supposed to list them all although I agree it can be a real pita [01:12] Toadstool that's theory, imagin the same for linux sources for example... [01:13] I know :) [01:13] Tonio_: are you talking about my comment on jabbin? [01:13] geser, probably :) === segfault [i=segfault@core-dumped.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] I agree for everything but the copirights, that drives me nuts, really ! [01:13] ;) [01:13] that's not against you, just that's simply impossible to maintain [01:14] Tonio_: imho, list the main ones, upload and wait for any comments from an archive admin ;) [01:14] Toadstoolthat's what I did [01:14] oh [01:14] and it got rejected? [01:15] when 99% of the files of a tree are the ame and just one little file has a different copyright, I don't mention it [01:15] I don't meant you have to list each appearance of Copyright [01:15] well, I guess so, otherwise you wouldn't be pissed off ... [01:15] Toadstool yes, hehe :) === Toadstool tired [01:15] geser well you even added isolated header files on a full tree [01:16] for the licence, I'm okay I'll add the lgpl [01:17] geser the redistribution of iLBC is to be checked too, you are right on that point [01:17] geser just the copyright thing pissed me off especially since I've been asked in the past to stop proviing them all :) [01:17] on revu too :) === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] the other I mentioned have a license that looks like it's free enough (I haven't checked thoroughly) but it's not the GPL [01:20] hum, if that's licence, I'm with you === coNP [n=conp@pool-00a7b.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] I must say the all tarball is released under the gpl so I didn't checked all files in it, I should have done it though [01:21] geser okay I'll revu the all sources concerning the licence, since I perfectly agree with you on that point [01:21] geser maybe I just missunderstood you on that point, sorry for this [01:22] but the copyrights expectations has already been a long debate so once again drive me nuts :) [01:22] geser I'll ping you for revu once I made ot clear concerning the licence [01:22] see for example http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/jabbin-0701261035/jabbin-2.0~beta/src/tools/crash/crash_sigsegv.h === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] ademan: Any luck yet? [01:24] actually i haven't tried anything [01:24] yeah that's not explicitly gpl, but looks like compatible [01:24] but the build was successful [01:24] only problem is the deb wants to install all of the shared objects into /usr/share/codeblocks/blah blah blah [01:24] geser I think I missunderstood your point, you were talking about the licence more than the coyrights [01:24] and iirc shared objects shouldn't be in /usr/share [01:24] geser, and you were right, I admit [01:25] Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/jabbin-0701261035/jabbin-2.0~beta/voip/stun.h has a license at the end of the file [01:25] is that right? (i picked up a little pdf on the unix file structure, and iirc only platform independant stuff should go in /usr/share) [01:25] ademan: Is there a lib package? [01:26] naw, it's all one package, it DEFINITELY needs to get broken up into multiple packages though [01:26] like, there's an sdk included [01:26] just a bunch of stuff that should be in separate packages [01:26] SO break it up :-) [01:27] but most of the libs are essential to the base program, still put them in a codeblocks-lib package? [01:27] i will, but as you could tell by me floundering around, i'm not so great at packaging just yet :-) [01:27] geser, that's clear now, and I must say you are right, I'll have to check those files for their licence [01:27] ademan: Welcome to the club :-) [01:28] hehe [01:29] I suppose ideally you would have codeblocks, libcodeblocks, libcodeblocks-dev, and codeblocks-sdk or something but since I haven't seen the package I'm just talking out of my arse [01:30] bddebian: even if the libcodeblocks is essential to the codeblocks package? [01:31] geser, thanks for beeing patient :) I'm tired, I wouldn't have reacted like this 3 or 4 hours ago [01:31] bddebian, he was right hehe :) [01:31] Sure. You can have the codeblocks binary depend on the libcodeblocks binary [01:31] yeah, i just didn't know if that was preffered or what [01:32] okay I'll check the full licence.... why ALL those voip software like this ? same licence issue in wengophone..... [01:32] now i just gotta figure out HOW to divide it up into multiple packages :-) [01:33] the maintainer wrote the debian dir to generate these packages: codeblocks codeblocks-contrib libcodeblocks libcodeblocks-devel libcodeblocks-dbg but of course he hasn't committed the new debian dir... so i don't get them :-( plus isn't libcodeblocks-dev preffered to devel? [01:35] Toadstool: can you have a look at bug 81757 if it is okay? [01:35] Malone bug 81757 in xchat-systray "Duplicate entry in tasklist" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81757 [01:35] course, i may just ask him for the new debian dir, i dunno [01:36] i'd have to fix things up AGAIN, since what he claims builds, doesnt... [01:37] i think the problem is he builds with ./configure && make FIRST, so things that AREN't taken care of in debian/rules are actually present on his system [01:41] coNP: sure === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-02dfc.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:47] coNP: you should probably use conflict instead of replaces [01:47] geser: why? It does not actually conflict. [01:48] coNP: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces [01:48] geser: ty [01:49] Replaces allows dpkg to move files owned by one package to another [01:49] you are more interested in xchat-systray getting deinstalled === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-conflicts [01:50] coNP: what geser said (sorry, I am at work, kinda busy :) === co-NP [n=conp@pool-03124.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] sorry, my DSL is broken :( [01:52] geser: did you get my last message? [01:53] last I've seen from you: geser: ty [01:53] geser: so I think replaced is better [01:53] because the documentation says "Packages can declare in their control file that they should overwrite files in certain other packages, or completely replace other packages." [01:54] Now xchat completly replaces xchat-systray. [01:54] But I might be bad === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] that would be 7.5.2 Replacing whole packages, forcing their removal [01:56] Actually then both replaces and conflicts should be added [01:56] so you would probably need replaces and conflicts [01:56] And I think only to xchat, but not to xchat-common [01:57] yes [01:57] but that was okay, I checked [01:58] now I should add this new debdiff to the bug? [01:58] yes [01:59] ok sick of working, I call it a day, let's go get drunk in LA \o/ [01:59] have a good weekend everybody [01:59] by Toadstool [01:59] +e [02:03] Later Toadstool [02:09] geser: can you have a look at it again? I think it is quite easy to check, if you want to. However, it is not (very) important at all. [02:11] looks ok. have you verified that it works as intended? === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] geser: No problem if you don't, but I was curious if you thought you might have time yet for the new package review I mentioned this afternoon? [02:15] ScottK: ah, forgot. I will look at it in the morning (it's past 2 am here) [02:15] No problem. Thanks. === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] geser: I think so, now it does not allow me to install xchat-systray again, and try again. [02:17] I wanted to test it again [02:17] maybe someone running feisty should do that [02:19] I could test it in the morning and upload it afterwards (if nobody is faster) [02:19] geser: No one is faster than you :-) [02:19] geser: thanks [02:21] good night everyone (in timezones, where it is night :)) [02:21] Gnight coNP === welshbyte wonders what to do next === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] welshbyte: Fix all the bugs :-) [02:24] ok, i'll start from bug #1 and work my way up ;) [02:24] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [02:25] aah ichthux has taken over bug 1!!!!!! === Liberax [n=Marem@host76-220-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] hi any developer here? [02:26] Nope, no developers here. [02:26] anybody with amd 64 and pptp could try this fix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/+bug/67881 ? [02:26] Malone bug 67881 in network-manager-pptp "Crash while trying to connect to PPTP server" [Undecided,In progress] [02:31] jdong: it's always somebody. I wish we could kill that bug [02:31] lol [02:32] LaserJock: what bug? [02:32] I should ask raphink about that [02:32] Liberax: bug #1 of course ;-) [02:32] Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [02:33] :) [02:33] I'm just annoyed at getting bugmail from it === asantoni_ [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945277.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] Speaking of fixing bug and that other operating system... I recently fix a python-dns bug, Bug #80360, here and then decided to report it upstream. There I found a few open bugs that have been there for more than two years. At least one of them is Windows only. I am considering doing a patch here to resolve the upstream bugs too. Would it be considered poor form to fix the Windows unique stuff in the same package? [02:34] Malone bug 80360 in python-dns "Crash - Fails to trap socket.error when network is not available" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80360 === asantoni_ is now known as asantoni [02:35] ScottK: no. [02:35] ScottK: uneccesarly maybe, but not bad form surely ;-) [02:36] Shirley? I thought his name was Scott? :-) [02:36] darn, I'd sound so much more intelligent if I could spell better [02:36] we should be concerned about code quality, not what OS is affected. [02:36] bddebian: bah === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Abandonando"] === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] OK. Thanks. I thought I'd check before I went to the trouble. Back when I was exclusively using Windows, the fact that Python was cross platform was one of the things that attracted me to it in the first place. [02:41] I liked it because you didn't have to buy a compiler for it [02:58] I will also confess that the ESR piece on how all the cool geeks used Python influenced me too. [03:00] pfft :-) [03:05] I thought XbuildX revisions were synced automagically? [03:08] should be === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:20] LaserJock: Care to review libticables2 for me? :-) === rexbron [n=rexbron@CPE001310b2d1d1-CM0012256e816a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] Ho hum [03:40] keescook: regarding #78339, a debdiff cannot represent the upstream changes in binary form. [03:40] keescook: my practice has always been to provide a debdiff otherwise. === hagbart [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-38-243.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] Good (I'm guessing it's afternoon for you) afternoon Hobbsee [04:17] hey ScottK :) [04:17] yeah, it's afternoon === ScottK has one customer in NZ, so is gradually learning to do timezone conversions in his head for that part of the world. [04:19] :) === Hobbsee wonders why u-u-s is subscribed to a wiki page... [04:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpToDateAtiNvidiaDrivers === Hobbsee wonders how to list subscriptions on a wiki page [04:27] Hobbsee: if you defer it to backports... *shakes fist* :D [04:28] jdong: which? [04:28] that spec you listed ;-) [04:28] Mez: Are there plans to backport Exaile? [04:29] jdong: i dont know where it's come from - it's just gone to ubuntu-universe-sponsors list === _kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] eek, pitti's an ftp admin now (or at least doing syncs)? [04:39] Yeah apparently :-) [04:40] looks like a script, actually. [04:52] Hobbsee: It requires u-u-s to have a wiki page and more importantly, a profile. [04:52] StevenK: true... === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mwolson [i=mwolson@jpi-wlafyte-212-116.dmisinetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@63.250.228.211] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] bddebian: hmm, what did I have a problem with last time [05:35] For what libticables2? [05:35] yeah [05:35] sorry [05:36] was afk and read away message [05:36] The missing pkgconfig file :) [05:37] oh yeah [05:42] Any else (bddebian excluded) up for reviewing a simple Python package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4194 [05:48] OK. Well if anyone turns up, I'll be here for a bit seeing if I can find a package I'm up to merging. [05:48] Thought you were gonna try fnfx? :-) [05:50] That was me [05:51] lol [05:52] bddebian: Do you mind if I do endeavour? You did it last time. [05:52] Go for it === ScottK is going... [05:52] How 'cott' can be confused with 'teven', I have *no* idea. [05:52] Damnit, did I do it again?? [05:53] me neither, but 90% pluss of the time when is name is gotten wrong it's Steve or some variation of it... === nixternal points out bddebian to LaserJock - HIM TOO! [05:53] BOO [05:53] wth === Hobbsee points LaserJock at ScottK === nixternal points Hobbsee at Hobbsee [05:53] There is something called tab completion. :) [05:53] Heh, heya nixternal [05:53] what? [05:53] LaserJock: [15:42] Any else (bddebian excluded) up for reviewing a simple Python package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4194 [05:53] no, the boo was BOO [05:53] tabcompletion on irssi kinda sucks [05:54] It does not, you tell lies === hagi__ [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-147-197.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] oh, yeah, I'm firing up my pbuilders now [05:54] not if you get the silly script to fix the case issue [05:54] I *love* irssi tabcompletion [05:54] it's the only one that works well for me === Hobbsee isnt a fan of the "if htere are multiple matching nicks, pick the first one" [05:54] LaserJock: I find myself trying to tab complete everything I type now === Hobbsee only likes konvi tab completion [05:54] Hobbsee: What do you prefer? [05:55] Hobbsee: spoiled by the dropdown? [05:55] nixternal: yse [05:55] nixternal: yes === ScottK likes konvi tab completion too. [05:55] hehe, that was nice [05:55] You just make sure you type the first four or so characters. [05:55] Hah, I don't think irssi can do that. [05:55] I hate dropdowns [05:55] so annoying [05:55] I don't want to have to arrow or click [05:55] I just want to hit tab darnit [05:55] irssi can't do the drop down, but after a couple of tabs you will eventually make it, unless of course you get bitten by someone with funky case [05:56] I dislike the mouse. [05:56] Stupidest computer invention ever. [05:56] Well to get ScottK and StevenK correct one only needs to type two characters... That appears to be difficult for some. [05:56] Irssi usually fixes up the case. === ScottK goes and merges... === StevenK stops reading irssi stuff on changing completion behaviour. [05:57] StevenK: the other sane option would just be to complete to wherever the next character is, and wait for you to type hte next one [05:57] TheMuso: uploaded espeak [05:57] Hobbsee: Why? The shell does what irssi does. [05:57] StevenK: does it? [05:57] yeah [05:58] Hobbsee: Thanks. [05:58] well, kinda [05:58] Gotta love that list of changes I had to do to the damn thing. [05:58] pb -> pbuilder lists pbuilder pbuilder-upgrade [05:59] Hobbsee: You did review the package I hope. [05:59] If it turns out that no Ubuntu specific changes are required any more, do I just go file a bug that requests a synch vice a merge? [05:59] TheMuso: yeah. appears to build, cant see anything crazy. [06:00] Hobbsee: Righto. [06:00] TheMuso: and you'll into trouble yourself if you broke it :P [06:00] Heh, "appears to build" [06:00] The debian/rules just cats a build log, but doesn't do anything [06:00] heh [06:00] That'd be cool. :-P [06:01] StevenK: no, it runs a build log, but rm -rf's / [06:01] StevenK: package name is beryl :P [06:01] And if you build packages as real root, you deserve what you get. [06:01] indeed [06:01] The only thing I was slightly worried about, is that upstream moved the location of a header file in libespeak-dev. I just want to make sure I covered all my bases. I am pretty sure I did. [06:02] Gotta love upstream moving things around, and you have to find out for yourself. [06:02] TheMuso: Try ALSA some time. === StevenK twitches [06:03] StevenK: lol [06:03] TheMuso: They moved entire drivers around, and release at least once without updating the Makefiles [06:03] eeeew [06:03] released, even [06:04] "No wonder it doesn't build, the whole directory doesn't exist. .... Oh wait a moment..." [06:05] darn bddebian already acked it [06:05] I hate being number 2 ;-) [06:05] StevenK: Well as I may have told you, I am trying to get the espeak author to separate voice data compilation routines out of a graphical app, and include them in the espeak source package, so the voice data can actually be built on the fly when the package gets built. [06:06] Trouble is, they are tied to damn wx data types. [06:06] Ewwww [06:06] LaserJock: Bah, you're #1 baby :-) [06:06] Anyone? If Ubuntu specific changes are no longer required for a package on the merge list do I file a bug requesting a synch instead? [06:06] ScottK: yes [06:06] Sync, and yes [06:06] Thanks. [06:07] ScottK: just be sure that it builds [06:07] StevenK: Yep. [06:07] I literally had to ship two copies of the voice data files in the orig tarball, for little and big endian architectures. [06:07] I'd rather not have to do that. [06:07] At least it doesn't hook to perl datatypes [06:07] Well, for ppc anyway [06:07] LaserJock: Thanks. [06:08] TheMuso: In Perl, any variable translates to one of two structs, where one of the members is "magic" that is a function pointer [06:09] And people wonder why I'm insane. It's all Perl's fault. [06:10] StevenK: riiight [06:11] TheMuso: Is that in reference to all what I just said? :-) [06:11] StevenK: yeah [06:14] You know,not having a maintainer for any particular universe package is a good idea, but someone who is dedicated to maintaining a package is a good thing, as they get to know the package source, and can work with upstream to fix bugs. [06:14] case in point, me and espeak. [06:15] TheMuso: definetly true === ScottK is discovering it takes a while to build the binary for endeavour... [06:19] uh, yeah [06:19] Endeavour builds then. Here's the bug #81795: [06:19] Malone bug 81795 in endeavour "endeavour: sync new Debian version (2.7.5-1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81795 [06:19] Is the motu council happening yet/ [06:20] just waiting on TB [06:20] Right. [06:21] LaserJock: Really? The MOTU Council need to be diagnosed with it? === StevenK runs away [06:21] StevenK: rofl [06:21] :p [06:23] LaserJock: Have you finished (either completed or as much, if any as you have time for) looking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4194? If you have, I'm going to go to bed (it's getting late here). [06:24] I just left my comment [06:24] Thanks. [06:25] LaserJock: I gather you think it should be optional (vice extra)? I debated that when I did it. [06:26] optional is normal [06:26] OK. [06:26] Fixing now... [06:26] extra is for something the conflicts with the packages in the other Priorities [06:27] *that [06:27] OK. [06:28] It depends on a package that's in extra. [06:28] I don't think that should matter [06:28] OK. === ScottK is thinking that one's probably wrong too. [06:29] oh [06:29] "Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values " [06:29] I did that one too. [06:29] That one exists in Debian. I'll go double check what the last Debian package did and match that. [06:30] The package from Debian is in extra, so I think I'm stuck with that. [06:31] yeah === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:37] LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4201 is ready for another look if you would... [06:52] bddebian: How about I take a shot at merging Courier? [06:53] Didn't I already do that? [06:53] Or is it an updated one? [06:54] It's an updated one. You did it last. [06:54] Looks like all of the changes have to stay. [06:55] Sure === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:57] If someone wants to look at tamil-gtk2im.. If you know shell/POSIX stuff it should be pretty easy. For some reason in debian/rules it does sh compile-gtk2im.sh. Inside compile-gtk2im.sh it does sh libtool .... For some reason dash doesn't like it. === CarlFK [n=carl@h-67-103-3-247.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] bddebian: Just about done with courier. If you wouldn't mind relooking at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4201?, I'd appreciate it. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] I'll take a look tomorrow. I have GOT to get to bed. [07:08] OK. [07:08] Thanks [07:09] NP [07:09] Gnight folks [07:11] arggg [07:11] I was just going to tell him to upload his package [07:14] crimsun, can you upload https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mousepad/+bug/56161 ? Please :) [07:14] Malone bug 56161 in mousepad "Segfault when saving files on AMD64" [Medium,In progress] === hagbart [n=hagi@adsl-62-167-27-230.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] LaserJock: Thanks for taking another look and advocating. [07:18] ScottK: np [07:19] somerville32: uploaded. [07:20] ty :) === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] courier is going to take a while to build. I think I'm going to bed... [07:21] Good night everyone. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-84-226-38-89.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Iulian [i=Iulian@unaffiliated/iulian] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@221.216.172.94] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagbart [n=hagi@adsl-84-226-46-121.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi__ [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-148-147.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] ah, i'm back [08:50] does http://www.codeblocks.org work for you guys? === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-9-135.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === afflux [i=discoflu@gateway/tor/x-8c4da6a040f73115] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] course as soon as i get back LaserJock is gone :-p [09:08] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4203 [09:08] review me :) [09:08] I'm going to bed [09:11] please and thank you [09:13] Simon80: wish i could but i suck haha === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-84-227-173-104.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] can anyone tell me why my package wants to install it's libs to /usr/share/codeblocks/* ? [09:32] and more importantly, where should it go (/usr/lib/codeblocks/* ?) and what file controls this? [09:45] ademan: if I'm not wrong, libs should go to /usr/lib. You can control this by "make install"ing them to debian//usr/lib [09:46] yeah but i don't see anything like that in debian/rules or makefile.am [09:52] Adri2000: on alioth, project name is pkg-multidistrotools === coNP [n=conp@pool-02a9d.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagbart [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-179-54.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] how might i change wherre it installs to? === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:13] hrm [10:22] crimsun / ajmitch , do you know how a menu like this would be created ( it launches automaticly on ssh login ) http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/ssh-menu.png [10:23] i have looked in the ~/.bash* and seen nothing that starts it , or even what it is ( e.g. bash script or a actual program etc ) [10:23] but i wanna make something like it myself [10:23] any clues? [10:23] ( or anyone ^^ ) [10:24] imbrandon: maybe it is the login shell? [10:24] zomg, your right [10:24] thanks [10:24] haha [10:25] i should have thought of that [10:25] yw :) [10:29] ooh, shiny [10:35] hey, MOTUs, bug 2415 seems to be fixed [10:35] Malone bug 2415 in openbox "windows do not appear in gnome-panel workspace switcher" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2415 [10:35] however it is assigned to MOTU, may I switch it to fix released? [10:36] where did you test it coNP [10:37] e.g. on feisty or edgy ? [10:37] and if on edgy i would say yes, fix released [10:37] imbrandon: I guess on dapper, edgy, feisty [10:37] I use openbox [10:37] on all of these [10:38] and no problems with gnome-panel [10:39] okay, imbrandon I will make it fixed, if you don't mind [10:39] should I assign it to nobody? [10:39] no [10:39] never assign a bug to anyone [10:40] but yes mark it fixed if you wish or ask the reporter to confirm it was fixed now [10:42] imbrandon: so leave it assigned to MOTU? [10:43] yes, you should never change the assignment of a bug if you are not the person thats doing it, e.g. unless you are assigning a bug to your self you never never never change that fienld [10:43] field* [10:43] okay, imbrandon [10:43] I understand [10:43] now, finally :) [10:43] heh === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.161.187.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:10] review me please :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4200 -- thank you [11:12] coNP: The problem was on amd64 === hagi__ [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] coNP: you say it's fixed on x86, that's not the bug :) [11:15] Amaranth: oh. My mistake. [11:18] Amaranth: isn there a way to assign this bug to amd64 build (and not to the source package)? [11:19] no [11:19] it's a bug in the source package === davromaniak [n=cyril@AFontenayssB-152-1-49-190.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-02930.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === elkbuntu_ [n=melissa@ppp26-148.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-01a32.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomas1 [n=pandis@dhcp159.mansfield.ox.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.92.150.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] can somebody please take a look at bug 57875 ? It seems to affect a lot of people ... (it's not an issue for me and I'd fix it myself if I could ) [12:06] Malone bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus does not start" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/57875 === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomas1 [n=pandis@dhcp159.mansfield.ox.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === zoli2k [n=kuscsik@217.12.49.42] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === did448 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === coNP [n=conp@pool-0332e.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-013-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:48] hello [12:48] may someone remove the softbeep package that I just uploaded [12:48] I uploaded it by mistake to REVU [12:48] AnAnt: to revu? === Hobbsee will [12:48] Hobbsee: thanks [12:51] AnAnt: hasnt hit revu yet - how many min ago did you upload? [12:51] Hobbsee: few secs [12:52] ah, that's why [12:55] cypher1: are you cypherbios too? === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.130.178] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@202.183.120.32] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@81-208-36-88.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jrib [n=jasonr@c-24-63-70-115.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.161.187.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob1 [i=RobertSt@freenode/staff/rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === coNP [n=conp@pool-00f7c.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey_ [n=herman@vpn.osso.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=Pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-00387.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-00387.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-105-242.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] coNP: I just wanted to your replaces/conflicts for xchat-systray [02:03] but I can't get it installed as xchat-systray is gone in feisty [02:05] geser: okay [02:06] geser: however, I am not sure, that this will clean old xchat-systray packages making a dist-upgrade [02:06] we still need it for the upgrade [02:06] I'm considering to upload it but I can't test it [02:07] geser: okay I see, I guess noone can [02:07] geser: except someone using e.g. herd2 [02:07] with no updates since [02:08] fortunately LP has still the old debs [02:08] nice :) [02:11] coNP: here are my test results: [02:11] dpkg: considering removing xchat-systray in favour of xchat ... [02:11] dpkg: yes, will remove xchat-systray in favour of xchat. [02:11] ic xchat-systray 2.4.5-6ubuntu1 xchat systray notification icon [02:11] only the config-files are left [02:11] geser: what do you think? Is it right? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] Did you --purge-d them? Or is it supposed to to do? [02:12] I don't know but I'd say it's ok === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lupine_85 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-105-242.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === welshbyte [n=sentient@cpc1-cwma2-0-0-cust314.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-01c5d.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] thanks geser [02:27] np === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === welshbyte [n=welshbyt@cpc1-cwma2-0-0-cust314.swan.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === co-NP [n=conp@pool-00086.externet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] geser: can you take a look at bug 45171? It is not urgent, of course. [02:37] Malone bug 45171 in openbox "openbox cannot catch gnome-screenshot shortcut" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45171 === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548FF4F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] when changing the source of an yet unmodified debian package in ubuntu, are we supposed to change the maintainer field now? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zoli2k [n=kuscsik@217.12.49.42] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === reggaemanu_ [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-158-154.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] Good morning. === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548FF909.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] Last night I started working on merging courier. I'm afraid I may have bitten off more than I can chew at this point. I'd appreciate it is someone experienced in doing merges would look at the list of errors lintian threw when I built the binary: http://pastecode.com/12715 - I'm guessing that I need to fix the missing build dependency, but I have no idea which, if any of the warnings would need to be fixed as part of the [03:19] Note that with the missing build-dep installed the package appears to have built successfully. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Liberax [n=Marem@host76-220-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MetaMorfoziS [n=sajt@dsl5402A1C6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=juser@h-67-103-3-197.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:51] anybody with pptp network manager on an ubuntu 64bit? === CarlFK [n=juser@h-67-103-3-197.chcgilgm.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:57] Adri2000: Thanks for the kick in the head about Bug #81795 - I think I stayed up to late last night trying to do merges. It's fixed now. [03:57] Malone bug 81795 in endeavour "endeavour: merge (2.7.5-1ubuntu1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81795 [03:58] :) === bigon [i=bigon@213.219.145.39.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pirast [n=martin@p508B0447.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] hi guys! [04:48] I've a problem while building a package [04:48] the package builds fine, but it says this: === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] [04:49] dh_gencontrol -ptracker [04:49] dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} [04:49] dh_md5sums -ptracker [04:49] dh_builddeb -ptracker [04:49] dpkg-deb: construyendo el paquete `tracker' en `../tracker_0.5.4-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'. [04:49] [04:49] what do you think about that? [04:49] unknow substitution variable... === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] hi phanatic [04:50] hey coNP === asantoni [n=alb@bas7-london14-1177945836.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@unaffiliated/tomaszd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:16] Hey! Any sponsors up to fix bug 45171? [05:16] Malone bug 45171 in openbox "openbox cannot catch gnome-screenshot shortcut" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45171 [05:16] I see you're volunteering. [05:16] Heh [05:16] crimsun: I did what I could do. Cannot go any further without the blessing of a MOTU [05:17] I need the MOTU power now :) [05:18] CoNP: Until I looked at the bug, I didn't realize you'd already done a patch and wanted someone to apply it. I thought you were looking for someone else to develop the fix. [05:19] ScottK: Sorry, I was not clear enough, for sure. [05:21] At this point I'd just sit back and wait. IME they usually get around to applying such patches reasonably quickly. [05:21] Maybe find a MOTU to bug if it's not applied tomorrow. [05:23] Okay, thanks. === luisbg [n=d33p@87.217.144.17] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-43-131.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] Hello all [05:28] Hello === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] how can i get a new version of a package in main. Should i use the Sponsorship Process or should i go to REVU ? [05:29] the package in question is fuse [05:29] version in debian is 2.5.3 but latest version is 2.6.1 [05:29] this question has arisen before, and I asked the person to check the dependencies. [05:30] there was no response. [05:31] crimsun: dependencies of 2.6.1 are the same of 2.5.3 [05:31] does it integrate with fuse's rdeps? [05:32] of course [05:32] i didn't fully test, but i don't see why there should be a problem [05:32] it's a main package; regression testing is ... encouraged. [05:33] is it backwards-compatible with existing fuse stuff? [05:33] and you mean fuse-utils? [05:33] and libfuse2... [05:33] the userspace stuff.... [05:33] right [05:35] 2.6 is backwards-compatible with 2.5 [05:37] i can ask Miklos to be sure, but all virtual fs i use works with 2.5 & 2.6 [05:37] givre: although a few of us have the ability to update it, none of us are going to update it without seeing positive testimony and the most recent uploader's blessing [05:38] givre: in this case, ask fabbione if he considers an update to 2.6.1 a priority === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] crimsun: right [05:41] crimsun: ok, so i guess what i have to do is : [05:41] - put my package in revu [05:41] - explain why it should be update [05:41] - ask fabbione to have a look at it [05:42] thanks crimsun === eXistenZ [n=amerdakk@unaffiliated/eXistenZ] has joined #ubuntu-motu === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-43-131.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] crimsun: Have you got a moment to help me with a merge problem? === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121dvu.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] OK. I guess he's really away... Anyone? How much packaging fixing is one expected to do when merging? My merge of courier builds, but lintian is extremely whiny: http://pastecode.com/12719 Should I just leave this package for someone more experienced? [06:08] crimsun, moved [06:10] guys crimsun is away atm please see /whois crimsun for more details [06:10] /whois crimsun [06:10] ugh [06:10] gnomefreak. thanks [06:10] yw [06:18] ScottK: the more you differ from Debian the more has to be merged the next time, so only fix real problems === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mikhail^ [n=dean@124.106.241.222] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] geser: Any thoughts on if any of those problems - http://pastecode.com/12719 - qualify as real? === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] ScottK: I don't know any details about this warnings [06:36] OK. Thanks for looking. [07:01] pirast: which? [07:02] crimsun, dos one for vlc 0.8.6a.. [07:02] works against my patched vlc === CarlFK [n=carl@h-67-103-3-234.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=alessand@host84-192-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] we need to get http://sam.zoy.org/zzuf/ into universe. === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:17] crimsun: I'm a little sketchy on what exactly it does [07:17] crimsun: how does adding random bits to user input help find bugs/security holes? [07:19] LaserJock: it helps identify which functions need to have input validation fixed. === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] LaserJock: I'm try to merge courier and am getting a huge number of lintian warnings when I build the binary. I'd appreciate it if you would take a look and give me some advice of which of those issues are significant enough that I should add an Ubuntu change for it - http://pastecode.com/12719 === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] crimsun: zzuf is on its way to debian. we can sync it from there then === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:31] ScottK: holy cow [07:31] that is a lot [07:31] Yeah. [07:31] they are all Warnings though [07:31] Yes. I fixed the errors. [07:32] So do I say builds with no errors and call it good enough or do I need to fix some of that stuff? [07:32] well, we try to minimize divergence [07:33] you should look for Debian bugs for those [07:33] a compat of 2 and standards version of 3.5 sounds like it's not even being maintained [07:34] but that hardly seems possible, courier is a very common app [07:34] Yes. And the Debian update is a Debian only change, so someone is maintaining it. [07:35] well, I personally leave Debian stuff alone unless I really know what I'm doing [07:35] perhaps couriers build system doesn't behave nicely or something [07:36] A couple of the issues have bugs, including one filed by siretart over a year ago... [07:37] geeze, the BTS page looks aweful [07:37] hrrm debian always seem to have phun getting rid of RC bugs... [07:37] people keep adding more rc bugs as fast as they are going away lol [07:37] 143 bugs, 1 Fixed or Pending [07:38] 15 patches in BTS [07:39] he hd 12 uploads in 2006 and still all that? [07:39] *had [07:41] Any suggestions? === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] ScottK: minimize divergence, try to poke upstream [07:44] that's about all I've got [07:45] OK. I think I'll go with "builds with no errors and call it good enough" and provide a patch for the merge. Then see about bugs for upstream. Hopefully enough courier users will try it out before Feisty gets released to uncover any serious excitement... === math_b [n=mathieu@vbo91-2-82-239-207-88.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] my package wants to install libraries to /usr/share/codeblocks/*, it should be /usr/lib/codeblocks/* where might i change this? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:13] ademan: I think you want to look at man dh_install. === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-76-188-35-66.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] ademan: check the Makefile [08:26] could someone do a quick revu for me? [08:31] geser: i'll paste Makefile.am? [08:31] or do i want Makefile.in? [08:32] hrm, there is no Makefile.in === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:32] Howdy bddebian [08:33] http://rafb.net/p/mMjkEm70.html i don't see anything that would affect that do you? [08:33] Heya gang [08:33] Hi ScottK [08:33] hi bddebian [08:33] bddebian: Congrats on your package... [08:33] Heya LaserJock [08:34] ScottK: What package is that? [08:34] bddebian: did you read your REVU emails yet? [08:34] bddebian: The lib whatever it was you've been messing with. [08:34] ademan: me neither [08:34] Apparently not. [08:35] wanna see debian/rules? [08:35] bddebian: After you read your REVU e-mail, would you please relook at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4201? It's now looking for you to be 2nd advocate. [08:35] The only one I saw was aptoncd [08:35] http://rafb.net/p/4Bw55Y47.html i don't see where it might happen here either [08:35] bddebian: I acked libticables and told you to upload it ;-) [08:36] man dh_install seemed to suggest there should be a debian/package.install but i didn't see one [08:36] bddebian: about 2 minutes after you left last night [08:36] LaserJock: Ah cool thanks. Now I can do tilp2 :) [08:36] ademan: do you have an install? [08:37] debian/install I mean [08:37] bddebian: After you catch up on my stuff, OK? [08:37] ScottK: Sure :-) [08:37] LaserJock: nope [08:38] ademan: well, it get's the dir for somewhere, grep for "share" [08:38] in rules? or what? [08:38] I'm guessing that it's setting the lib dir the same as data dir [08:38] no, the source [08:38] ademan: check the defaults where it wants to install [08:39] as long as debian/rules isn't actually moving those files it's determined by the Makefile [08:39] i posted the makefile above though, or are there more makefiles in src? [08:39] a good start would be the Makefile (the install target) [08:40] ademan: grep it though, trying to find anything in the whole Makefile is difficult [08:40] ademan: you need the one created by automake [08:40] LaserJock: how would i grep file contents? (sorry) [08:40] geser: oh, so no Makefile.am? [08:41] grep src * [08:41] ademan: no [08:41] look at configure, etc. [08:41] anyone? anyone at all? (revu'age, please) [08:41] just grep the whole darn thing [08:41] tsmithe: you need a MOTU, don't you? [08:41] ademan: grep share * , my bad [08:42] hrm, well it seems to clean up Makefile(s) during clean in rules [08:42] coNP, yup [08:42] :) [08:42] don't you think? because there definitely aren't any Makefile(s) laying around [08:43] ademan: you're looking for things like PREFIX or DESTDIR or LIBDIR [08:43] ademan: I said grep * [08:43] k [08:43] tsmithe: Which package? [08:43] bddebian, thanks; you've done it already ;) [08:44] i got a bunch of cbp and bat files, aren't those windows specific? === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] ademan: Did you say that there are configure.am files? [08:46] bddebian: Did you upload it? [08:46] none, did you mean Makefile.am? definitely no configure.am [08:47] ScottK: Not yet [08:47] no configure.in either [08:47] ademan: There is a Makefile.am? [08:47] bddebian: OK. I like the yet. I'll be patient. [08:48] there's a lot of them, but none contain "share" apparently [08:48] "grep share * | grep -i Makefile.am" would get me that no? [08:50] ademan: Have you run autoreconf -f -i? [08:50] in rules or just straight up? i've done neither though [08:50] unless its in rules and i missed it [08:50] it's not in rules for sure === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-99-59.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:53] No I mean from the source dir. Do you have your files posted somewhere? === herzi [n=herzi@p548FEA63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] bddebian: no, how could/should i? [08:55] i could upload the dir to my webserver, would that work? [08:56] Have you gotten it to create the .dsc and .diff.gz? === bleinmono [n=toffel@89.178.209.190] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:57] yep [08:57] i've build the entire package [08:57] i've got a deb sitting around [08:58] but lintian errored all over my face [08:58] thats how i found out about the /usr/share libraries === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-26-66.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:10] bddebian: Thanks. [09:11] Laserjock: Are you up for another review while I'm wrestling with the courier merge patch? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179 [09:13] ademan: Just post the .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc somewhere === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-93-142.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mlpug [n=user@a85-156-253-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mlpug [n=user@a85-156-253-211.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [09:31] hey bddebian: Thanks again. [09:31] NP === ScottK is down to one package waiting for REVU. VERY cool. === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-129-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:47] hey, bddebian, sorry, but can you rereview my package? I added some modifications from Gentoo to add support to the MX300 and MX518, and I changed the description slightly [09:49] From Gentoo? Why? :-) [09:49] lol [09:49] yes? no? [09:49] :) [09:50] Which package? [09:52] bddebian: It's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4203 [09:52] Simon80: Don't advocate your own packages. MOTUs are the one that are supposed to do that. [09:53] hehe, I can delete that [09:53] my logic was that if it were wrong, the system wouldn't let it happen :) === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:54] In the system it doesn't matter, it just makes it harder for a MOTU to decide if the package is ready for upload, AFAICT. [09:54] oh [09:55] OTOH, maybe it annoys them and they review my package instead, so wait, go ahead and do that ;-) [09:56] bddebian: alright will do [09:58] ScottK: hehe === pirast [n=martin@p508B0447.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:00] Nafallo, ping === Shoragan [n=shoragan@datenfreihafen.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:05] I've taken merging courier as far as I can go. bddebian: Since you merged it last time, you might want to have a look. Bug #81799. [10:05] Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799 [10:05] anyone else available for review? [10:06] bddebian: thanks, btw [10:06] Simon80: NP === luckyone [n=jordan@CPE-75-87-69-197.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] hello Masters of the universe [10:07] Hello luckyone [10:08] does anyone know of any problems with sane or libsane in 32-bit edgy? [10:08] I am having this problem - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299347&page=2 [10:08] and, I have no clue how to debug it [10:10] Simon80: why do you use this hack in debian/rules to install the man page? === luckyone wonders where he should take his question? === luckyone thought this would be it because motu builds all of his wonderful binaries [10:13] luckyone: libsane is a main package [10:13] bddebian: i can't get into my web host for some reason, any reccomendations? [10:13] Adri2000: I don't know a better way to do it [10:14] so, ubuntu main channel would be where I need to get help [10:14] ok, thank you MOTU === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:14] keep up the great work [10:14] Simon80: DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_logitech-applet := debian/logitech_applet.1 [10:18] I'll try that now [10:25] Simon80: also, 0.4test1 means there will be 0.4test2 ... and finally the final stable 0.4? [10:26] Adri2000:no maintainer [10:26] :-/ [10:26] so, yes, but no [10:26] it's ok, there's another package that has maintainers, but I'll package it for feisty+1 [10:26] if yes, version should be 0.4~test1 [10:27] ah [10:27] I can do that [10:28] see, the manpage hack, I totally blame lack of docs [10:29] it's frustrating, really [10:29] grep /usr/share/cdbs/, all the doc is there [10:29] $ grep manpage /usr/share/cdbs/ -ri [10:29] /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk: dh_installman -p$(cdbs_curpkg) $(DEB_INSTALL_MANPAGES_$(cdbs_curpkg)) [10:30] that's surprisingly the fastest documentation ever, if you happen to grep for the right thing === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@lns-bzn-49f-81-56-214-84.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:32] lintian's complaining about my version [10:32] bad-version-number 0.4~test1-0ubuntu1 [10:33] I don't think that's the first time though [10:33] ademan: Upload it to REVU, we can look at it there if you want [10:33] done [10:33] Simon80: you are using edgy? [10:33] yeah [10:34] that's why [10:34] oh, you weren't talking to me, bddebian, lol [10:34] your lintian is too old [10:34] yep [10:34] I figured [10:34] k, I just have to wait for revu to update [10:35] Simon80: You might want to make a Feisty chroot to work in - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot [10:35] maybe === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] I'll look into it for feisty+1 [10:36] cause I'm only packaging new apps [10:36] and the deadline is whenever it is, like, right now :) [10:36] for upstream freeze === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta_ [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:05] ok, bddebian, Adri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4207 [11:05] thanks [11:05] errr, I should delete the hack instead of commenting it out :( === janm [n=jmalonzo@125.255.5.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:09] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4208 [11:09] last one! [11:09] lol === Spec[x] [n=nwheeler@charon.devis.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-160-233.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure_ [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === somerville32 [n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] could anyone who is in ubuntu-qa approve the nominations in bug 76094? [11:22] Malone bug 76094 in tor "Tor 0.1.1.26 fixes HttpProxyAuthenticator privacy flaw" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/76094 [11:22] ,please ;-) [11:24] pirast: I'm not sure who can approve nominations [11:25] core-devs [11:25] mhm [11:25] ubuntu{qa,dev} can't [11:25] i though that all people who are in ubuntu-qa can [11:25] motu-sru neither [11:25] :-( [11:25] I can't [11:26] and I'm ubuntu-dev [11:26] because the security bug should be nominated for edgy, dapper and breezy.. [11:26] thanks anyway.. ill ask in ubuntu-devel [11:26] pirast: For security issues, see pitti [11:26] it shouldn't have a Feisty nomination though I shouldn't think [11:26] pirast: got it, one sec [11:27] keescook, thanks.. [11:28] no problem! thanks for tracking the problem. :) [11:28] keescook, new mail at security-review ;-) [11:28] pirast: hehe okay, I'll check it out [11:28] it somehow does not really makes sense to fix universe security bugs in breezy, does it? [11:29] pirast: btw, I think in the future more people will be able to accept nominations (they might allow anybody to nominate in the future) === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] pirast: why not? [11:29] LaserJock, they already had I think.. [11:30] sorry, I mean you wouldn't have to get them accepted [11:30] people could just set a target release [11:30] LaserJock, that was possible some time ago [11:30] yes [11:30] and they are thinking of bringing it back [11:31] ah okay.. [11:31] pirast: if it's easy, go for it, but I tend to recommend focusing on LTS and current stable. [11:31] not sure quite yet [11:31] sorry, somewhat tired [11:31] LaserJock, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/721/results.. It would be nice if LTS + Edgy universe had less bugs first.. And we should concentrate on that first, I think [11:32] well sure, but there's no inherent reason to not fix something in Breezy === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] pirast: well, that vote is also very inaccurate [11:33] yeah.. there are probably lots of ubuntu fans which want to have the latest and greatest.. [11:33] see how many feisty users there are ;-) === CarlFK [n=carl@h-67-103-3-234.chcgilgm.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === CarlF1 [n=carl@h-67-103-3-199.chcgilgm.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:36] pirast: that poll only shows 154 Feisty users ;-) [11:37] LaserJock, but that are 14% of all voters :-P [11:37] ah, but that's where it get's sticky [11:38] yeah.. [11:38] you're right [11:38] lies, damn lies, and statistics ;-) === gouki [n=gouki@unaffiliated/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] I'm having trouble deciding which 'section' I should enter. Any links to help me out? [11:45] Sorry, I'm creating a package from scratch. [11:45] http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ [11:45] Adri2000: Thank you. === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] so, can any two MOTUs review my package again? [11:49] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4208 [11:50] Simon80: are you sure that DEB_INSTALL_CHANGELOGS_ALL := ChangeLog is needed? [11:51] uh [11:51] not sure actually [11:51] thanks, dh_make :) [11:52] well, without it, the changelog probably wouldn't get into the docs [11:52] so I'm going to say yes [11:52] have you actually tried without it? [11:53] I'll try now [11:54] seems to work without it [11:55] new upload? [11:56] wait, I'm checking if I have not missed anything [12:00] looks fine === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ingar [n=saltvik@ti500720a080-0787.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] if now a package gets updated in debian, will it arrive in feisty? [12:11] not automatically [12:11] !seen Fujitsu [12:11] I last saw Fujitsu (n=root@ubuntu/member/fujitsu) 1d 18h 41m 50s ago, quiting: "leaving" [12:12] uhuh, "root", that's bad :)