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eriStrange question, that I was hoping that someone here could answer. I just bought a shiny new laptop, and I want to put Xubuntu on it. (I'll be back later for that) However, I don't want to just totally nuke what's on here, especially since I didn't get any CD's with it. Can anyone reccomend a way to use something like Symantec Ghost or another hard disk image program?12:41
eri... rather, a open-source solution, or at the least free.12:42
xfceubuntudeluge bittorrent client is a simple and useable. try it!12:42
xfceubuntuhttp://deluge-torrent.org/12:43
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bigredradioAnyone familiar with Tazix's how-to on fusesmb and Thunar? I can see shares, but only as root.12:44
PuMpErNiCkLeeri: GParted has a livecd that you can use to resize partitions.  You wouldn't have to overwrite what's currently there.12:44
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erinyeh. kay. thanks PuMpErNiCkLe12:47
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mattswellif i do a command-line server instal01:31
mattswellwhat is the default root pass?01:31
mattswelli was never given an option to set it01:31
gnomefreakmattswell: sudo uses your user passworf01:31
gnomefreakpassword01:32
mattswellok01:32
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linux_hey, anyone know how to reinstall the X on xubuntu?02:11
vai_rosudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop02:12
vai_rowitch installs xfce02:12
linux_is that a reinstall command?02:12
linux_if its not configured properly?02:12
vai_rono02:13
vai_rothat just installs xfce02:13
linux_how do i reinstall it with apt-get?02:13
vai_rodo you have gnome installed?02:13
linux_no, xfce02:13
linux_and i want xfce, its a nice GUI02:13
linux_very light02:13
vai_roya i know02:13
vai_rowell if you apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop you wont have a gui02:14
PuMpErNiCkLeIf you remove that, you remove only the meta-package - no actual applications.02:14
linux_i am ssh'ing to it anyway02:14
linux_so no harm if the X disappears02:15
PuMpErNiCkLeapt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg will reinstall it, but what's the actual problem?02:15
linux_i can't pull up a GUI over SSH02:15
vai_roso whats the command pumpernickle apt-get remove xubuntu?02:15
linux_using the ssh -X or -Y user@host02:15
linux_where i have tried a standard user and root02:15
linux_and my sshd_config and ssh_config are setup properly02:15
PuMpErNiCkLevai_ro: There's no 'remove' command, per se.02:16
vai_rooh?02:16
linux_i think reinstalling will help somehow02:16
linux_i first installed server kernel, and apt-get xfce X b/c i wanted a GUI02:16
linux_i think that somehow messed it up, or the scratched CD, which i later threw away and used online repositories02:17
PuMpErNiCkLeYeah, a messed up cd can cause all sorts of problems.02:18
linux_i really love xubuntu, its a really nice distro02:18
linux_nope, reinstalling using that command didn't work02:19
linux_i'll be back in 30 - 45 minutes, eat time02:19
DarthLappyXubuntu looks so Gnomey by default though :(02:20
PuMpErNiCkLeIt may be a problem in -core, instead.02:20
vai_roya xubuntu does look gnomey02:22
vai_robut there are diffrences02:22
DarthLappyYes.02:22
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someguyhow do i go about keeping vesafb from running when i start xubuntu? my monitor doesn't support it02:30
someguyit's already listed in my blacklist-framebuffer file02:31
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galorinI'm in the process of trying to recover my linux system.. kubuntu, but it might need a reinstall. All I'm using it for is mythtv, and xubuntu looks good on my other computer... should I use 6.06 or 6.10?02:34
vai_rodepends on what if you want lts or not02:35
vai_ropersonally i recomend the 6.1002:35
someguyok02:35
someguyi figured it out kind of02:35
someguyi need to tell vesa i have a flat panel02:36
someguybut i don't know how :D02:36
galorinwell, with 6.06, I'd need to compile myth from source, whereas 6.10 has the latest in it's repos... but 6.06 is LTS...02:37
galorin(then again it's a 6.06 system that I'm trying to recover)02:37
vai_rolts dosent mean much it just mean its supported for 5 years02:38
vai_roand with xubuntu / ubuntu changes happen so fast that lts is kinda dumb in my opinion02:38
galorinIs the LTS more of a selling point for businesses then?02:39
galorinIt was a udev update that put me in my current mess.02:39
vai_roi guess i don't typically deal with stable releases i hop from beta to alpha personally02:41
PuMpErNiCkLeLTS is targetted at people buying support from Canonical.02:41
galorinFigures.  Well, I did my install before there was a 6.10 available.  I hope I don't need to reinstall... setting up RAID was a bugger02:43
galorinwish me luck.  Just re-built my raid array, and am about to reboot.02:44
vai_rogl02:44
galorinafter a quick fsck02:45
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someguywhat do i add to get the graphical package manager?02:46
galorinsomeguy, I like synaptic02:47
someguyah02:48
someguyi found that02:48
someguy:D02:48
someguyis there a myth package?02:48
galorinin 6.10 there is.  I think it's in multiverse02:49
galorinok, here goes nothing, restarting now...02:50
someguyah ok02:50
someguyi added the community repo02:50
someguyand there it is02:50
someguythanks :)02:50
KorN[CM] raid is a PITA, im having troubles with mine ):02:51
someguythis is so much easier than gentoo02:52
someguy... :D02:52
galorinNOOO!!!!!!!!!02:52
someguy.. it keeps asking me for my edgy cd, what does it pull off of it?02:52
someguyi'm liking xfce too... it's very slim02:53
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someguyand i found out what was wrong with the graphical installer02:54
someguyand several other things02:55
someguyit was detecting a video resolution that my monitor does not support02:55
someguysomething like 1600x1680.. really weird02:55
KorN[CM] xfce rocks :)02:55
KorN[CM] can anypne help me with RAID please? using dmraid02:55
KorN[CM] (obviously software raid)02:55
mattswellsudomythyth03:00
someguyhmm03:00
someguyso03:00
someguyhow do i set my root password :D03:01
someguywait03:01
someguyi'm dumb03:01
someguynm03:01
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bluefoxicyXFCE 4.4 is QUITE impressive :)03:13
bluefoxicywill that be feisty or feisty+1?03:13
crimsunit's in feisty right now.03:13
bluefoxicysweet.03:13
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somerville32bluefoxicy, *Xfce ;] 03:15
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someguywhere is "run as a different user" in xubuntu?03:20
crimsungksu or sudo.03:21
KorN[CM] sudo as in judo ;)03:21
bur[n] ersomeguy: run as root user is gksudo or sudo03:21
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rizzoanyone have any experience with old orinoco cards?03:22
rizzoI have no clue what I need to do to get it talking03:22
someguyalright03:22
someguyi get an error about connection to X server :0.0 refused by server03:22
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piemanhellos. i'm helping my friend get on linux with xubuntu (i use gentoo myself) and i was wondering, where do you get the win32 codecs and extra? i had him add all the sources needed, just don't know what ubuntu names them as03:26
somerville32!restricted | pieman03:27
ubotupieman: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:27
bur[n] er!w32codecs03:27
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages including w32codecs | info at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages | See !codecs for more information03:27
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piemanthx03:28
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linux_back03:32
linux_anyone know how to fix my permissions problem about accessing an X GUI via ssh?03:35
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SpasticteapotHello!03:39
linux_hey spasticteapot03:39
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Spasticteapotlinux_: Hello!03:42
linux_hey Spasticteapot, you know much about xubuntu to help with my SSH problem?03:43
linux_can't GUI anything through SSH03:43
Spasticteapotlinux_: Any chance you might know some things I could do to decrease RAM usage in Xubuntu?03:44
SpasticteapotNot likely - I'm a total n00bie.03:44
linux_yes03:44
linux_keep xfce03:44
linux_disable auto services that start03:45
Spasticteapot?03:45
linux_xfce = your GUI03:45
linux_you can use the command "top" to view your running processes03:45
linux_in terminal03:45
linux_press k when in top to kill a process03:46
SpasticteapotHow do I gou about that?03:46
linux_enter the pid to kill the processes03:46
linux_ok, go to top left screen03:46
linux_left click once on the menu @ top left of screen03:46
linux_open terminal03:46
linux_then type in "top" without the quotes03:47
linux_this is everything running on your system03:47
linux_once in this program, press "k" without the quotes, and then enter the PID # of the program you wish to kill (by the way, i am a linux n00bie also)03:47
linux_everything in "[] " is the suggested value you should type in when prompted03:48
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linux_welcome noalternative03:49
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linux_welcome jlmc03:50
noalternativeHi03:50
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linux_anyone think they can solve my ssh GUI problem? has to do with permissions accessing the X03:51
j1mclinux_, hello03:51
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noalternativeI am trying to install Myst III in wine and there is more than one disk to install, but I can't eject the disk in the middle of installation.03:52
noalternativeis there anything I can do to change this.03:52
linux_put them on a DVD?03:53
linux_are you using the latest version of wine?03:53
somerville32decaelo, hey :)03:53
noalternativeno they are on the ubusoft official game cds.03:54
decaeloHey :)03:54
noalternativedownloaded from that wine repository03:54
somerville32noalternative, unmount the cd-rom03:54
noalternativeyes03:54
decaelounmount w/sudo03:54
noalternativeI tried this too but for some reason it wouldn't let me.03:54
noalternativehow do you unmount from the command line?03:54
somerville32If you have any windows or terminals in that directory, it won't unmount03:55
noalternativebut I had to open a terminal in that directory to use setup.exe03:56
j1mci have been considering getting involved with the documentation project for feisty.  is it too late to get involved w/ that?03:56
decaeloIf you check on the page, j1mc, it'll tell you who the head is of that project. It'd be best to ask them in an email, or perhaps post on one of their forums.04:04
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rizzowhere does one manage the screensaver in xfce?04:04
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j1mcdecaelo, thanks for that info.04:05
somerville32rizzo, Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Screensaver04:07
rizzoah04:07
somerville32j1mc, Hey :)04:07
rizzosomerville32: thanks04:07
somerville32j1mc, I work on Xubuntu documentation (and have svn commit access)04:07
redwyrmrizzo, is this the same rizzo from slashnet?04:08
rizzoredwyrm: I'm rarely on slashnet04:08
rizzoso I doubt it04:08
redwyrmoh04:10
redwyrmI have a bug to report04:11
somerville32!bugs04:12
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots04:12
redwyrmand I'm wondering where I would report it04:12
redwyrmah, k04:12
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SpasticteapotDoes anyone know how to add additional themes to XFCE?04:14
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rizzoI can't just remove mozilla-thunderbird without removing xubuntu-desktop?04:19
somerville32Spasticteapot, Just download them, decompress, and places them in ~/.themes/04:20
somerville32rizzo, No.04:20
somerville32rizzo, It's ok if you do though04:20
rizzoeh?04:20
rizzoit's ok if I remove xubuntu-desktop?04:20
somerville32Yup04:21
Spasticteapotsomerville: I tried that - I can't drag the files into that folder!04:21
somerville32rizzo, Just make sure you install it again before upgrading.04:21
rizzosomerville32: that won't remove other packages, it just removes the meta package?04:21
rizzooh04:21
somerville32rizzo, Yup.04:21
rizzothen I might as well leave it on?04:21
SpasticteapotAlso, where is ~/.themes/04:21
somerville32Spasticteapot, In your home directory. You'll need to show hidden files and folders.04:21
somerville32rizzo, It is only wasting disk space so there isn't much harm04:22
rizzowhy would I need to re-install it before upgrading?04:22
rizzoby "upgrading" do mean dist upgrades, or normal package upgrades04:22
somerville32rizzo, dist upgrades04:22
rizzosomerville32: alrigh thanks.  Is gxine the intended all-purpose media player?04:23
somerville32rizzo, For the time being, yes :)04:23
somerville32Feel free to install other ones though04:23
rizzoI was going to do xmms but whatever works is fine04:24
rizzoI'm setting this up for my non-techie sister-in-law04:24
rizzojust needs office/web/mp3 playing I'm sure04:24
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somerville32You might install Exaile04:24
somerville32It is awesome :)04:24
somerville32(for playing music)04:24
rizzoam I right in seeing that the latest macromedia flash player in any repository is 7?04:25
rizzoI manually installed 9 from .tgz04:25
somerville32No04:25
somerville32There is 904:25
rizzoI didn't see it when I ran a search in synaptic04:26
somerville32!restricted > rizzo04:26
somerville32See the restricted formats link04:26
somerville32Details on the wiki04:26
rizzobackports repository, eh04:27
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redwyrm!restricted > redwyrm04:33
redwyrmhaha, that's cool04:33
rizzosomerville32: do you pronounce it "zoobuntu" or "x-ubuntu"?04:43
somerville32I pronounce it x-ubuntu but it proper is zoobuntu04:43
rizzoI've been leaning toward zoo04:45
SpasticteapotI say the pronounciation is open-source.04:45
KorN[CM] !raid04:55
ubotuTips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO04:55
KorN[CM] !dmraid04:55
ubotudmraid: Device-Mapper Software RAID support tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 117 kB, installed size 460 kB04:55
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j1mcsomerville32, what needs the most help with xubuntu-docs?  i'm new to documentation, but would like to contribute.05:01
somerville32j1mc: There is an Xubuntu Meeting this Wednesday05:02
j1mcsomer05:02
somerville32There you can speak with Luzius and fijiam705:02
j1mcok . . .   thanks.  what time is it at?05:02
somerville32Unfortunately I can't make this one :(05:02
j1mcor where can i find out more about the agenda?05:02
somerville32j1mc: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/67705:03
somerville32You can also visit #ubuntu-doc for assistance05:03
somerville32And there are wiki pages on how to start to contribute05:03
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somerville32j1mc, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation05:03
j1mcthanks, somerville3205:04
somerville32np :)05:04
somerville32And thanks for the interest!!05:04
j1mcmy time zone is UTC-600, so i'm not sure if i can make the meeting either . . . will it be archived?05:05
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somerville32Yup05:07
somerville32The next meeting is hosted earlier in the day05:08
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somerville32at 1500UTC05:08
somerville32UTC -6 would mean that the meeting on Wednesday is at 4pm.05:08
somerville32The next meeting after that would be 9am (and is on Saturday)05:09
j1mcah, ok.  4pm = work time for jim05:09
somerville32:)05:11
somerville32Maybe you can make the Saturday meeting then?05:12
somerville32It will be in two weeks05:12
somerville32You can also e-mail ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com05:12
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j1mcthat xubuntu-meetings page is great.  i'll try and make the saturday meeting.05:13
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KorN[CM] hi can anyone help me with dmraid???05:14
KorN[CM] I've read the tuts, etc.05:14
KorN[CM] i uninstalled it/reinstalled05:14
KorN[CM] and now nothing shows in /dev/mapper05:15
KorN[CM] ):05:15
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naphelgehey gang wondering if anyone is running xubuntu on a laptop with 64 megs ram? if so does it run ok with xfce?05:16
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Commander-Crowenaphelge, I've ran it on 64 megs...its ok05:16
naphelgekk thanx d/loading alt atm so hope it worx05:17
naphelgejust wanna do basic network shiz with it nothing intensive05:17
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KorN[CM] anyone?05:19
somerville32!raid | KorN[CM] 05:19
ubotuKorN[CM] : Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO05:19
KorN[CM] I tried that05:19
somerville32naphelge, Make sure to use the alternative cd to install05:20
somerville32naphelge, The live/desktop cd will most certainly not work ;] 05:20
naphelgesomerville32, thanx going alt... ummm dumbish question but looks like image is an iso so just brun to cd & will be bootable huh?05:21
somerville32naphelge, No, sorry - hehe05:22
somerville32You need to burn it as an image05:22
somerville32!iso05:22
ubotuTo mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn05:22
somerville32!burn | naphelge05:22
ubotunaphelge: CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto05:22
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somerville32See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto05:22
somerville32:)05:22
Jester45|Away!seen cellofellow05:23
ubotuI last saw cellofellow (n=josh@209.193.108.87) 1d 22h 8m 27s ago, quiting: "Leaving"05:23
naphelgesomerville32, kk kewls thanx looks like i got lotsa time to look seeing how throttled back my d/load speed is tonite05:23
Jester45|Awaynaphelge: the torrent dloades are often faSTER05:24
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Jester45|Awaysomerville32: whats that for05:25
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somerville32Jester45, Hmm?05:25
Jester45somerville32: the obove link ^^^^^05:26
Jester45above*05:26
somerville32Jester45: ... take a guess.05:26
naphelgeJester45, i tried using torrent with regular ubuntu alt before for another laptop & had a prob with those d/loads... prolly user problems but thought i would just do straight up d/load for this one05:26
Jester45ok05:31
linux_anyone know how to fix an ssh GUI auth problem?05:33
somerville32linux_, We can try :)05:35
Jester45linux_: i cant i really dont know what ssh is that much :)05:36
linux_ok05:36
linux_here is the problem05:36
linux_i try ssh -X and/or -Y user(suchasroot)@host05:37
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linux_and i configured my sshd_config and ssh_config correctly05:37
linux_here is the error i get05:37
Jester45o i forgot to ask05:37
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Jester45Anyone know how to change the ftp acess of vsftpd?05:37
linux_X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.05:38
linux_The application 'mousepad' lost its connection to the display :10.0;05:38
linux_most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed05:38
linux_the application.05:38
Jester45did X shutdown05:39
linux_not on the server, no05:39
linux_it never displayed over SSH, same error i get when i try to use VNC05:39
linux_any clue how to fix auth?05:40
KorN[CM] this somerville3205:41
KorN[CM] somerville3205:41
KorN[CM] Ive read the tute05:41
somerville32KorN[CM] , Awesome :)05:41
KorN[CM] however,05:41
KorN[CM] didn't help me05:41
somerville32Doh :(05:41
KorN[CM] ive read LOADS to this previously05:41
KorN[CM] i spent like 6 hours, got it working05:41
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KorN[CM] ah ok ):05:42
KorN[CM] ubotu05:42
KorN[CM] do you have experience with RAIDS?05:42
linux_im back, did yall get that error i pasted above?05:43
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naphelgesomerville32, i'm using FC6 to burn this image & looks like from reading the page you listed...05:46
naphelgeFind the downloaded ISO image in the file browser (available at Places  Home menu on top of the screen.) Right click on the ISO image file and choose Write to Disc and wait for burning to complete.05:46
Commander-Crowehey, how would i find a freenode staff member?05:46
naphelgethis is what i do in FC6 (more or less) to burn an iso... soi should be good to go?05:46
somerville32Commander-Crowe, type: /stats p05:47
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somerville32!bot | KorN[CM] 05:47
ubotuKorN[CM] : I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots05:47
somerville32naphelge, Sounds like it! :)05:48
KorN[CM] ah05:48
KorN[CM] eh this is killing me05:49
KorN[CM] damn dmraid05:49
linux_anyone that can help me with this SSH X (gui) problem?05:50
naphelgesomerville32, thanx just wanted to b sher cause i had probs with reg ubuntu image burning be405:50
somerville32linux_, Give me a second and I'll see if I can get it to work here.05:50
somerville32naphelge, Alrighty. I hope it works for you.05:51
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Jester45welcome bur[n] er05:57
Jester45lol05:57
Jester45i feel stupider than normal05:57
bur[n] erdrunk?05:57
bur[n] erheh05:57
bur[n] eri feel slower than usual.... i upgraded to feisty, but lost my nvidia beta driver that was for the edgy kernel :(05:58
Jester45i was wondering what was using all my bandwidth and i have gtk-gnutella open but in a diffrent workspace minimized with no panel pager05:58
Jester45i wheeled over and was like05:59
Jester45oooo05:59
Jester45hehe i im hosting...05:59
Jester45192GB05:59
Jester45but only 3 files have been uploaded06:00
linux_(linux is still alive, thanks 4 the researching, hope its going well)06:00
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somerville32linux_, Would it be possible for me to get an account on this box?06:06
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KorN[CM] checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables06:09
KorN[CM] See `config.log' for more details.06:09
KorN[CM] can someone help me with that error?06:09
bur[n] ersudo apt-get install build-essential06:10
linux_anyone think they can fix this ssh GUI auth problem?06:15
somerville32linux_: Would it be possible for me to try?06:17
linux_you would get the same error i listed way above06:18
linux_i tried as user and root06:18
KorN[CM] burnet06:18
KorN[CM] I tried that06:18
KorN[CM] get an error:06:18
KorN[CM] The following packages have unmet dependencies:06:19
KorN[CM] build-essential: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or06:19
KorN[CM] libc-dev06:19
KorN[CM] Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.1.1) but it is not going to be installed06:19
KorN[CM] E: Broken packages06:19
somerville32linux_: I want to try from my box.06:19
somerville32KorN[CM] , Known issue.06:19
KorN[CM] agg06:19
KorN[CM] any workaround?06:19
somerville32" libc6 problems? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713"06:19
somerville32linux_, Is it possible for you to create me an account so that I can try ssh forwarding?06:19
linux_sure, one min06:20
linux_pm me06:20
KorN[CM] any workaround?06:21
somerville32See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2057713"06:21
somerville32See: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=205771306:21
somerville32If that page doesn't have a work around, then no06:22
KorN[CM] UPDATE: A new version of this update has been released and will install correctly for all users. This notice is kept here for historical purpose, and will be unstickied in 24 hours. The updated version of the libc6 packages is "2.4-1ubuntu12.3"06:22
KorN[CM] how do I get that?06:23
somerville32You might have to wait06:24
somerville32Are you using a mirror?06:24
somerville32(for your repositories?)06:24
linux_no, not on my server i don't think i am06:25
linux_want me to copy the sources.list to your home directory so you can read?06:25
somerville32linux_: I was talking to KorN[CM] 06:26
linux_oh, sorry, lol06:26
KorN[CM] somerville what did you say?06:28
linux_sudo chmod 777 /etc/ssh/ssh_config06:30
linux_im gonna use that06:30
linux_done06:31
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KorN[CM] anyone know where to find repositories list on ubuntu website?06:37
Mez!source-o-matic06:38
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic06:38
linux_you can do a rm on it, it should be chmod'ed to 77706:42
redwyrmwhat GStreamer plugins do I need to make Serpentine work?06:48
redwyrmso I can add mp3s06:48
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cryospherehello, I think I have a broken install of xubuntu07:15
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KorN[CM] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=205771307:18
KorN[CM] can someone help me with this please?07:18
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somerville32I would but I'm going to bed07:23
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cryosphereok07:25
cryospherecan someone tell me how to fix a broken install of xubuntu07:25
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somerville32cryosphere, Try asking on the xubuntu-users mailing list07:47
somerville32cryosphere, http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users07:47
cryosphereok07:48
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TriforceHello10:32
TheSheephi Triforce10:33
TriforceI need a suggestion.10:33
TriforceI am from WiiLi10:33
TriforceAn effort to create a Linux LiveCD for the Nintendo Wii10:33
TriforceI brainstormed the idea of using Xubuntu10:34
TriforceBeing that it is a Debian-based distribution using XFCE (A lightweight desktop environment)10:34
TriforceThe Nintendo Wii is based on a 729Mhz PPC processor with rougly 91MBs of 1T-SRAM10:34
TriforceAs well as a 243Mhz ATI GPU10:35
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TriforceDoes Xubuntu seem like a feasible choice for the above system or could you redirect me towards a more suitable distribution?10:35
TheSheepTriforce: xubuntu is not extremely ligth on ram -- as it uses the ubuntu packages under the hood10:39
TheSheepTriforce: I gather that for a wii distribution you can remove a lot of things that (x)ubuntu has installed just in case the user ever needs it10:40
TriforceYes well we will most likely remaster it10:41
TriforceThat goes without saying10:41
TheSheepTriforce: since you're aiming for a very uniform platform, you can make a lot of optimizations10:42
TheSheepTriforce: maybe some source-based distribution, like Lunar Linux?10:42
TheSheepTriforce: I know that XFCE developers use Lunar10:43
TriforceHm, sounds interesting.10:43
TriforceWe have looked into Sugar as well.10:43
TriforceWhich would be the publicity stunt of the year!10:43
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TheSheepnever heard of it :)10:43
TriforceWhich is the OLPC desktop environment.10:43
TheSheepah10:43
TheSheepisn't it hacked bayound recognition? :)10:44
TriforceRight now WiiLi is producing WiiMux, a software distribution ready to go live Sunday.10:44
TriforceA collection of all libraries and software needed to utilize the WiiMote on a *Nix system.10:44
TriforcePersonally, this is my first endeavor like this.10:45
TriforceI just turned 18 (still in high school).10:45
TheSheepTriforce: I've heard some good things about thing clled OpenEmbedded10:45
TriforceHm...10:45
TheSheepTriforce: it's an environment for quickly making distributions for embedded systems10:45
TheSheepTriforce: they brag with a linux distro with X and basic apps that's less than 10MB10:46
TriforceVery interesting...10:46
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GromdulMorning11:34
GromdulI'm new to linux, and have xubuntu installed now. I am trying to access my files I have shared on another PC running windows XP11:36
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gabkdllyhi Gromdul11:38
totalwormage!samba11:41
ubotusamba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT11:41
totalwormage:D11:41
Gromdulsweet11:43
Gromdulgoogle was useless, I got lots of info on sharing FROM linkux to windows, but not the reverse11:43
totalwormageyeah it's a bit messy11:44
totalwormageand you really don't want to follow multiple howto's at a time :p11:45
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graulichwhat's the command for show desktop?12:02
TheSheepgraulich: alt+ctrl+d12:06
TheSheepgraulich: you can change that shortcut in  settings->window manager settings->keyboard12:06
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graulichwhy does the window manager settings for keyboard thing recognize Super_L as Super+Super_L?12:12
graulich(and how do I change it to just Super_L?)12:12
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TheSheepgraulich: edit the text file in which it saved the settings12:15
TheSheepgraulich: it's somewhere in ~/.config/xfce4/12:15
TheSheepgraulich: grep -R 'Super_L' ~/.config/xfce4/12:16
TheSheepgraulich: use that command to find it12:16
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graulichTheSheep: actually I finally found my shortcut themes in ~/.themes/12:30
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graulichhow usable is Xubuntu Feisty right now?12:35
graulichand how easy/smart would it be to install Xfce 4.4 on Edgy?12:36
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graziegraulich: xfce 4.4 on edgy (outside package management) is probably not smart12:40
graulichis there any way to do it *with* package management?12:41
grazieonly if you pull in the fiesty package I suppose - silly12:42
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graulichso is feisty pretty usable or is it all a big pile of bugs?12:42
gabkdllyI could not get the feisty live cd to boot12:43
grazieonly used the live cd myself so far (fine for me), but consensus is it's pretty good, but it is a beta12:44
graulichgenerally, is there anything major that's still broken?12:45
grazieI'm not in a position to comment12:46
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grazieif you've got a spare partition and you want xfce 4.4...why not try it?12:47
blizzheyho12:50
blizzdoes ubuntu (or.. thunar) have usb mass device detection? like, plugging in cellphone/external hdd creating a new device12:51
blizzor just mount it12:51
gabkdllywhen I stick my usb-mp3player in, it gets automatically mounted12:52
TheSheepgabkdlly: are you sure? it should only display the icon and nly mount it when you click on the icon...12:53
blizzdoes thunar do tat?12:53
blizzthat12:53
TheSheepblizz: afaik it does it using HAL12:54
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gabkdllyTheSheep: No, it is mounted. I can cd /media/usbdisk"12:54
gabkdllyand all my stuff is there12:54
blizzstrange..12:54
TheSheepyup12:55
blizzmhm, dmesg says nothing about a usb device being plugged in :-)12:55
TheSheepgabkdlly: are you sure you don't have gnome-device-manager running in the background?12:55
TheSheepblizz: check the wiring :)12:56
blizzno /dev/sd* devices either12:56
blizzlol12:56
blizzomfg12:56
blizzim so retarded.12:56
gabkdllyTheSheep: you are right gnome-volume-manager is running12:56
blizzi got to boxes, one with crux linux (shuttle standing on the desk) and the ubuntu box (big atx case under the desk)12:56
blizznow GUESS where i plugged it in :-)12:56
blizzs/to/two/12:56
TheSheepblizz: this might pose a slight problem, yes, but it will be hopefully solved by introducing telepathy interfaces12:57
blizzi've heared they'll be included in windows vista ultimate pr0n edition via software emulation12:58
blizz;-)12:58
TheSheepblizz: they still have some security considerations -- you know, *thinking* your password and the like12:58
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blizzyeah12:58
blizz:D12:58
blizz*replugs the cord*12:58
blizzhum, dmesg reports a new usb device, but no /dev/sd* appearing. also no word from thunar01:03
TheSheepblizz: maybe the device is not recogized as storage?01:04
TheSheepblizz: what kind of device it is?01:04
blizzworked last time01:04
TheSheepah01:04
blizzsony ericcson w810i, but it is usb mass storage compatible01:04
TheSheepblizz: I know that some phones require additional drivers for windows, and additional programs for linux to access them01:07
blizzi think i had it mounted without any special software01:08
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vai_romorning all02:36
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blizzTheSheep, for most mysterious reasons, the phone is mountable now02:57
TheSheepblizz: maybe the cable has a cold connection somewhere02:58
blizzthe phone has two modes, a serial mode and a usb mass storage mode02:59
blizzalthough i thought it was in umass mode before (when i tried it), it wasnt02:59
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vai_roare there ways to speed up xubuntu's boot times?03:26
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LordGamerhi all I am a linux noob and i am just trying to get to install bitchx I have tried apt-get install bitchx sudo apt-get bitchx and also with {} around the program I am sure someone can help me with this?03:37
fijamtry 'sudo apt-get install bitchx' or use synaptic03:41
blizzor how about.. sudo apt-get install irssi03:41
LordGamersynaptic instead of sudo?03:42
fijamMenu -> system -> synaptic package manager03:43
LordGamerthanks I will try synaptic after the updates are done03:45
LordGamerapt get doesnt let me install anything I get permission denied03:50
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fijamLordGamer: that's why you need to put sudo before apt-get03:57
fijamwith sudo you can perform administrative tasks as a normal user03:58
fijamand since ubuntu distribution has root's account disabled by default for security reasons03:58
fijamthat's the only way you administer your system03:58
fijamin 'sudo apt-get install bitchx'03:59
LordGamerE Could not lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock message you know that one03:59
LordGamerI get that message04:00
fijamsudo is 'give higher permission level' apt-get is 'start a program to manage packets' install is perform a task of installation04:00
fijamare you running synaptic?04:00
fijamor other apt-related task?04:00
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fijamyou cannot have two applications accessing package structure at the same time04:01
fijamsimply put04:01
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LordGamer-sorry my internet IP Changed :@04:10
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LordGamer-but my updates resumed very nice04:11
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Prisoner_hello04:20
Prisoner_hello04:21
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LordGamer-ok the aptget works sorta I get E: Colunt find package bitchx any ideas?04:26
LordGamer-maybe another IRC client lol04:26
LordGamer-oh I just needed a bitchx.deb lol04:31
TheSheep!info BitchX04:31
ubotubitchx: Advanced Internet Relay Chat client. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1507 kB, installed size 6516 kB04:31
TheSheepLordGamer-: it's case-sensitive04:32
darrendany recommendations for viewing DVDs apart from gxine which seems to crash or complain at every opportunity04:34
LordGamer-I got it to install but how do I get it to show on the menu is there a refresh?04:34
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fijamyou have to create  .desktop file in  /usr/share/applications04:36
fijamafaik04:36
fijambitchx is ncurses yeah? never used it.04:36
LordGamer-you have a better clieny?04:37
LordGamer-clients\04:37
LordGamer-bah04:37
LordGamer-lol04:37
fijam!info xchat04:38
ubotuxchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB04:38
fijamI personally use this one04:38
LordGamer-ah ok I will look fro that one04:39
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graziedarrend: tried vlc?04:40
darrendgrazie: no, but I will.  Thx.04:40
fijamdarrend: mplayer from multiverse is pretty good04:41
graziedarrend: vlc is good as no extra codecs need to be installed04:41
darrendI'll take a look at both then, cheers04:42
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vai_rovlc is a nice player04:57
LordGamer-lol04:58
LordGamerthere we go04:58
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superkirbyartistI keep getting "Registration failed:timeout" errors with Ekiga!05:19
superkirbyartistCan someone help me please?05:20
superkirbyartistAnyone?05:20
superkirbyartistHello?05:20
fijamI've never used it05:21
tictacaddictneither have I05:22
blizzcan thunar handle samba sessions?05:27
fijamI doubt it05:28
fijamFeisty is going to have some more samba support05:28
blizzrunning feisty :)05:29
fijampyNeighbourhood or something05:29
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superkirbyartistEkiga, ekiga, ekiga.05:30
fijamI do not know if it is actually already included05:30
blizzits not, but its in the ports05:30
superkirbyartist"Registration failed timeout" over dialup.05:31
fijamsuperkirbyartist: have you tried asking at #ubuntu? they might help05:31
superkirbyartistThey didn't fijam.  I'm using dialup is that why I get "timeout"?05:32
fijammaybe05:32
fijamAre you running a firewall of some kind?05:32
superkirbyartistHow do I make it not timeout?05:32
superkirbyartistFijam, no.05:32
superkirbyartistI think it's open NAT.05:32
fijamekiga is that voip stuff?05:33
fijam!info ekiga05:33
blizz"Failed to mount" -- but theres no reason to :/05:33
ubotuekiga: H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3582 kB, installed size 12568 kB05:33
superkirbyartistYes, fijam.05:33
fijamand you want to run it on a dialup modem connection?05:33
superkirbyartistNo NAT.05:33
superkirbyartistYes, fijam.05:33
fijamthat is... 56kbps?05:34
fijamor an ISDN/ADSL modem?05:34
superkirbyartistYes.05:34
superkirbyartist56kbps.05:34
superkirbyartist!myself05:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about myself - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:35
fijamthat's ~6kb/s is that enough for voip?05:38
superkirbyartistI think so.05:38
fijamit's not my field, I can just guess. Maybe there is some config file to set timeout05:38
fijammaybe it's some network problem05:39
fijammaybe you have to force ekiga to use your modem interface05:39
fijammaybe you could try listening to what's actually going on on your connection with i.e tcpdump05:40
superkirbyartistI wounldn't know what that does.05:40
superkirbyartistNo suitable device found.05:41
Jester45you are going to need more than dailup for voip05:42
superkirbyartistJester45, how come?  PhoneGaim worked with dialup.  We plan to get broadband soon.05:42
Jester45standard telephones tranfer about about 9kbps plus you have the overhead of making the connection and keeping up with it05:42
superkirbyartistJester45, timeout means "your internet is too slow"?05:42
fijammaybe echo 3600 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_udp_timeout would help05:43
fijammaybe you want to play with iptables05:43
Jester45superkirbyartist: the only way i can think of getting it to work is lowering the quality05:43
superkirbyartistHow can we do that, Jester45?05:43
Jester45superkirbyartist: not really dail should be able to make a connection but it problem cant handle the transfer rate with normal quality05:43
superkirbyartistBut I get "Registration failed:Timeout".05:44
Jester45superkirbyartist: i dont know how or if you can change that if the program can change your voip provider still must accept it05:44
fijamsuperkirbyartist: have a look here http://ekiga.org/index.php?rub=3&pos=0&faqpage=x161.html#AEN18805:44
Jester45superkirbyartist: timeing out just mean that you couldnt reach the destination in the allotted time05:45
superkirbyartistJester45, I give it 3200 ms, is that enough?05:46
Jester45superkirbyartist: most of the time its the server is offline or your haveing problems with connecting ot it05:46
superkirbyartistJester45, but changing the 3200 will do anything?05:47
Jester45superkirbyartist: try a little more my http site has 1 min but you shouldnt have to go that high05:47
LordGameranyone know a good TV capture program for Linux?05:47
Jester45superkirbyartist: im not sure its just what i think if raising it doesnt do anything then im not sure what wrong05:47
Jester45!tv05:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:47
grazieLordGamer: TvTime05:49
LordGamerthanks grazie05:50
fijam!info kino05:50
ubotukino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.90-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1093 kB, installed size 3860 kB05:50
superkirbyartistIt doesn't; I keep getting timeouts.05:53
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superkirbyartistI give up.05:54
superkirbyartistDo I need broadband?05:54
fijampossibly05:54
superkirbyartistThank you anyways.05:55
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gophmm06:38
gopwhy am I getting this error06:38
gophey I did this sudo chmod 600 ~/.smbcredentials then I did this sudo mount -a    but I get this "  ERROR: Unable to open credentials file!06:38
TheSheepgop: when you do 'sudo', you're user root06:43
gopI am06:43
gophmm06:43
gopbut I also do sudo mount -a06:43
TheSheepgop: but which ~ it is then?06:45
TheSheepgop: have you tried specyfying the creditentials file explicitly?06:45
gopnot sure06:46
gopyea in fstab06:46
gopoh  you mean full dir06:46
gopI did something like this06:46
gop/servername/sharename  /media/mountname  smbfs  credentials=~/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777  0  006:46
gopin fstab06:47
TheSheepuse absolute path06:47
gop/home/gop/.smbcredentials06:47
gopthat where it located06:48
gophmm06:48
fijamsudo detects users home (when the SUDO_USER variable is set), doesn't it?06:48
fijamtry sudo mkdir ~/blah06:48
gophmm even if I give chmod 60006:49
gophmm06:49
TheSheepfijam: but mount doesn't when it reads fstab :)06:49
fijamah, ok. You're right.06:49
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gophmm after I did full06:50
gophmm06:50
gopit worked after I gave it aboulste path06:50
gop:~/blah$ pwd06:51
gop/home/gop/blah06:51
gopudo mkdir ~/blah06:51
gopsudo06:51
gopk it mounted06:51
gopthanks06:52
frankabelI had configured the network of my xubuntu until now using "System->Networking"... but now when I try to load that utility the following error occur "The configuration could not be loaded  You are not allowed to access the system configuration."06:52
frankabelany help?06:52
TheSheepfrankabel: you upgraded from the 'proposed' repository :)06:53
frankabelno06:53
TheSheepfrankabel: use 'sudo network-admin'06:53
Jester45TheSheep: i know the problem06:53
TheSheepfrankabel: it will be fixed soon06:53
Jester45frankabel: the .desktop file has a line called exec you need to change it from network-admin to gksu networking-admin06:54
Jester45or...06:54
Jester45just add a gksu im not sure if its network or networking06:55
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frankabelTheSheep:I ask here if the ubuntu repository is the same that xubuntu repository and the answer was yes... so actually I'm upgrading again an ubuntu repo.06:55
TheSheepfrankabel: there are several ubuntu repositories, one of them is for "proposed" packages that are not tested yet06:56
TheSheepfrankabel: you upgraded your system tools from that repository06:56
Jester45frankabel: the repos are the same when you have ubuntu and xubuntu that way you can get GNOME and KDE progemas with xfce without many problems06:56
frankabelJester45: so for each app with that problem I must add an "gksu" before the command at the line "Exec"?07:01
Jester45if the need it07:07
frankabelThanks very much to all! I just want become an guru to help another people like you!07:11
TriforceHow do you install Windows Vista on a Dell Linux Computer ?07:11
Triforce</sarcasm>07:12
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LordGameranyone know if the ATI 1900XT has a linux driver?07:21
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LordGamer ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver 8.33.6 there is that maybe?07:22
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LordGamerSaved back-up to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.original-007:51
LordGameraticonfig: Writing to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' failed. Bad file descriptor.07:51
LordGamer    Any ideas?07:51
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shiningwizarderm, anyone around? like to ask a question about xubuntu08:00
Commander-Croweyeah08:01
Commander-Croweshoot08:01
shiningwizardwhat's the current version of xfce that xubuntu uses?08:03
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Commander-Crowe6.10 uses 4.3.99.208:03
Commander-Crowe7.04 will use the newest08:03
shiningwizardin that case, is it possible to upgrade to 4.4 manunally?08:04
shiningwizardi've an old lappy, and xp doesn't cut it, even after trimming :D08:04
shiningwizardgonna try out xubuntu08:04
Commander-Croweyeah08:05
Commander-Crowejust install it to /usr/local08:05
shiningwizardi see. thanks :D08:05
haxorjoeI have an old IBM Aptiva that i installed Ubuntu on, it was a little laggy, so I tried Xubuntu08:05
haxorjoeit's great!08:05
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Commander-Crowenice08:06
haxorjoemy uncle always like to get the latest tech08:06
haxorjoeso he gave me that pc08:06
haxorjoeI wonder if he has an old lapto08:06
haxorjoeI'd love to use Xubutnu on the go08:06
shiningwizardthat's what i thought. have been reading up on news about linux in general. that article from george ou is stupid...08:07
haxorjoeI'm starting to get into Linux myself08:08
haxorjoeUbuntu has to be the best Linux distro08:08
haxorjoeit's really good in all the areas08:09
haxorjoeas an OS X user, maybe that's why I love it08:09
haxorjoejust because of the tight community08:09
shiningwizardyea, should be for a new user. i'm new to it myself too (as an admin)08:09
haxorjoeif Ubuntu wasn't free, I'd pay for it08:10
haxorjoeI'd love to dual-boot OS X and Ubuntu on my iBook, but sadly I don't think I can get the wireless to work :(08:10
haxorjoeat least what I read from about a year ago when I first tried to install Ubuntu on an external hd08:11
haxorjoe(I remember the installation not having a nice gnome ui)08:11
shiningwizardit seems to be possible now, at least from what i've just read... been spending 4hrs just to find a ver that fits my purposes...08:12
haxorjoea small thing that bugs me, is the size of the menus on the top and bottom08:15
haxorjoeI know how to make them smaller08:15
haxorjoebut if I make them the right size, the icons are just dots, I wish they wouldn't have a big border around the icons08:16
shiningwizardhaha, ask around. believe you will get some answers.08:17
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sdac_1xhi, does recovery mode in edgy have ethernet support ?  mine does not work.08:20
haxorjoedoes anyone know what the small box next to the time in the menu bar is?08:20
haxorjoenever mind, figured it out08:20
sdac_1xwow this room is really active08:22
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haxorjoeyay! I my Xubuntu box on my network :D08:38
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haxorjoethis may be a newbie question, but can I transfer items from my mac to the xubuntu box?08:41
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haxorjoenever mind, figured it out08:47
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volodahi09:27
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volodaI tried to upgrade from xubuntu 6.06 to 6.1009:27
volodaand now the icons from my desktop are gone and the right click menu doesn't work either09:27
volodaalso, the kernel is still 2.6.1509:27
volodaI've just changed dapper to edgy in /etc/apt/sources.list and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade09:28
haxorjoehow do I run remote desktop on xubuntu?09:29
TheSheeprdesktop hostname09:32
PuMpErNiCkLevoloda: Make that an 'apt-get dist-upgrade'.09:32
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naphelgehi gang... so i installed xubuntu ok except at no time did i get asked to set root's password... now i can't login as root... any ideas what i might have missed during install/setup?09:33
PuMpErNiCkLeYou didn't miss anything.  Ubuntu uses sudo instead of setting up a root account.09:34
naphelgereally?09:35
naphelgey's that?09:35
naphelgeso i can't su -  i guess09:35
TheSheepsudo -s <-- that's the equivalent of su09:36
PuMpErNiCkLeNo, but you can do 'sudo -i' to get a root shell.09:36
naphelgei mean i always setup sudo anyways but used to being able to login as root09:36
naphelgeah okies09:36
TheSheepnaphelge: you can set the root password with sudo passwd09:36
volodaPuMpErNiCkLe: OK. I09:37
volodaI've just noticed that option myself :)09:37
volodathanks09:37
PuMpErNiCkLenp09:37
naphelgekk thanx guys now i know i feel a whole lot better L0L09:37
naphelgeanother question i've never used debian packages before so where best place to get quick info on yum equivalent for deb09:38
grazienaphelge: if yum is gui FC package manager, then synaptic is ubunutu equivalent09:40
naphelgekk thanx... any urls u guys suggest for getting upto speed on synaptic?09:41
PuMpErNiCkLeWikipedia. ^^09:42
graziePuMpErNiCkLe: What's a reasonable amount of time to wait for a bug report reponse?09:44
grazie*response09:45
PuMpErNiCkLeDepends on what it's a bug in, how severe it is, and how busy they are with other bugs.09:46
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grazieI've got a no sound problem on ppc and I get the feeling nobody will look at it09:47
graziehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/8162609:47
grazieonly reported it yesterday, but got no real response on the forum for about a week09:48
PuMpErNiCkLeI'd wait a few more days, then.09:51
grazieok. just did't want to reinstall if someone wants more info09:52
PowhaIs there any file search tool for xubuntu?10:03
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sdac_1xanyone know how to do xfce and xubuntu backups of settings on xubuntu edgy.  basically i want to not waste time doing all the settings when i reinstall xubuntu10:08
PuMpErNiCkLeIf you put /home on a separate partition, you'll be able to keep your user settings between all OS reinstallations.10:11
PuMpErNiCkLeOtherwise, make a backup of all the .* directories in your home folder to keep your settings.10:12
sdac_1xyes its on a separate partition. so everything is already saved ?10:12
sdac_1xdoes this include stuff like xfce themes and applets i've added and such10:12
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sdac_1xwait so when i reinstall i simply select to mount my existing home partition as my new home.  but then do i create a user with my old username or will that overwrite my files ?10:14
PuMpErNiCkLeIt shouldn't - I've done that before.10:15
PuMpErNiCkLeIf you've added your themes to your personal themes dir instead of the system-wide one, you'll still have them.10:15
sdac_1xok ill go ahead and use the same username.  thanks10:16
naphelgereally wierd but bash commands i am used to using in RH/FC give me errors using xfce terminal with xubuntu... bash should be bash no matter the flavour of linux being run yeah?10:25
TheSheepnaphelge: what commands in particular?10:27
naphelgesudo iptables-restore < /var/lib/iptables/iptables.cfg10:27
naphelgeplus trying to setup alias' in .bashrc & i get errors on them all10:28
naphelgesame alias i always setup on new install10:28
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TheSheepnaphelge: first of all, that is not a bash command -- it's all external programs10:28
TheSheepnaphelge: second, xubuntu is based on debian, which has a different directory structure than all other linuces, so the path you gave for iptables.cfg is probably not valid10:29
TheSheepnaphelge: third, you might be missing some of the external programs you're trying to use10:30
naphelgei created my config file in /var/lib/iptables dir i created10:30
TheSheepthey don't have to be installed all by default10:30
naphelgeah wow okies10:30
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naphelgebut iptables is installed... i can like sudo iptable -L ok & u get the default ruleset for new install10:31
TheSheepis iptables-restore available?10:31
TheSheeptype 'which iptables-restore'10:32
naphelgey wouldn't alis lsl'ls -l' work when put into .bashrc?10:32
naphelgeer alias even10:32
TheSheepalias lsl='ls -l'10:32
naphelgeyeah just typo here have it right in my .bashrc10:32
TheSheepworks for me10:32
naphelgeyeah wierd blows my mind why it pukes back an error10:33
naphelgepretty basic stuff10:33
TheSheepwhat error exactly?10:33
naphelgewhich iptables-restore10:33
naphelge/sbin/iptables-restore10:33
naphelgeso restore comman in /sbin ok10:34
TheSheepnaphelge: maybe usage is different?10:34
TheSheepwhat errors do you actually get?10:34
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naphelgeafter i put in alias' in my .bashrc file i get this when starting new terminal...10:38
naphelgebash: alias: dpkg: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -i: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -cvjf: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -cvzf: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -cvf: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -i: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: apt-get: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: remove: not found10:38
cheatersrealmuh10:38
naphelgebash: alias: -i: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: search: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: leafpad: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: /etc/apt/sources.list: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: mousepad: not found10:38
cheatersrealm!pastebin10:38
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:38
naphelgebash: alias: apt-get: not found10:38
naphelgebash: alias: update: not found10:38
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naphelgebash: alias: upgrade: not found10:38
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naphelgebash: alias: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: not found10:38
naphelgejikes sorry bout that10:38
TheSheeplooks like you forgot a quote somewhere10:39
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TheSheepnaphelge: pastebin your bashrc10:39
cheatersrealmI should use the cups web interface for adding printers (remote, cups) correct?10:40
TheSheepcheatersrealm: no, there is a gui client10:40
TheSheepcheatersrealm: forgot the name, should be installed by default10:40
cheatersrealmapplications->settings->printing?10:40
TheSheepyes10:41
cheatersrealmhow do I add a printer from a server?10:41
cheatersrealmthe 'goto server' thing doesn't really work10:41
naphelgeTheSheep, http://pastebin.ca/330404 is the url for the pastebin of my .bashrc file10:45
PuMpErNiCkLenaphelge: line 80 is missing a '10:49
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naphelgepumpernickle, thanx that cleaned up about half of my errors... guess i better go back over my other alias' a lil more carefully10:52
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silvertip257I've lost my xfce panel again & would like to recover it, but all I can find is the terminal, which closes the panel after I exit it11:08
cellofellowI have a question. Is there a way to do something similar to nice for bandwidth? I'd like to tell aptitude to use less bandwidth11:08
cellofellowsilvertip257: alt+f211:08
cellofellow:)11:08
cellofellowwill niceing a process make it use less bandwidth?11:09
silvertip257thanks cellofellow11:10
cellofellow:)11:10
silvertip257what about bandwidth ?11:10
cellofellowI want to make aptitude use less bandwidth so my dad can surf without getting mad.11:10
silvertip257woohoo the run box !!!!11:10
silvertip257ah11:10
silvertip257aptitude never used that distro11:10
silvertip257or prgm11:10
silvertip257which is it a browser or distro ?11:11
cellofellowaptitude is a package manager, curses frontend to apt with extra featurs11:11
cellofellowit's included in all debian and ubuntu distros11:11
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, why dont you download all the repos at night and set it up on a server :)11:11
cellofellowhahaha11:11
silvertip257ohh11:11
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, besides using way to much space, it would be great11:12
cellofellowI have the DVD, which has most of the Main and Restricted repos11:12
cellofellowbut i'm downloading something from universe11:12
bigfuzzyjesussilvertip257, ie "sudo apt-get <pogram>"11:12
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, what is it?11:12
silvertip257yep ok fuzzy11:13
cellofellowplanet-penguin-racer11:13
cellofellowI want to see if I can get it working. Last time I tried, well, never mind.11:13
silvertip257hey cellofellow:  I'm trying to shrink my darn app bar ... it's only making my icons smaller & not the top panel11:13
cellofellowapp bar? you mean the panel on the bottom?11:14
silvertip257oh no sorry the top panel11:14
silvertip257w/ apps & quicklink shortcuts11:14
cellofellowah11:14
cellofellowright click it, and click customize panel11:14
silvertip257i'm in appearance & it only shrinks the icons11:14
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, i would just wait then (if he is anything like my dad)11:14
silvertip257ok yea i did customize11:14
cellofellowtheir's a slider or the size11:15
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, guess who got a bunch of free hardware from their school yesterday11:15
silvertip257it only make the icons smaller . not the panel11:15
bigfuzzyjesusits terribly outdated, but free :)11:15
cellofellowbigfuzzyjesus: my dad is nice, but he's trying to put together a powerpoint thing.11:15
cellofellowbigfuzzyjesus: server11:15
cellofellowmake a server. clustered maybe11:15
silvertip257cellofellow:  it doesnt make the panel smaller11:16
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, i was thinking about setting it up on the network to download torrents11:16
silvertip257:(11:16
cellofellowsilvertip257: it should make the panel thinner11:16
silvertip257right it doesnt11:16
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, either that or get like 3 more boxes and make a supercomputer11:16
PuMpErNiCkLecellofellow: CBQ and WebCBQ can do rules-based bandwidth shaping.11:16
silvertip257just the icons11:16
cellofellowsilvertip257: you want it to be not all the way accross the screen?11:16
silvertip257no11:16
silvertip257thinner11:16
cellofellowthe slider should work11:16
cellofellowPuMpErNiCkLe: is that something I can use like right away?11:16
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, but they are so slow that it would almost equal a slow computer (like 600mhz)11:16
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, brb11:17
silvertip257then the icons are the size of #2 lead11:17
PuMpErNiCkLecellofellow: No.  It's not installed by default.11:17
cellofellowPuMpErNiCkLe: sort of defeats the purpose11:17
PuMpErNiCkLeFuture reference, then.11:17
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bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, check how big the package is and maybe you can dl it real quick so not to mess up your dads ppt11:18
cellofellowso, the kernel doesn't include something like that, like nice for processes, there isn't something like limit perhaps for bandwidth?11:18
cellofellow!planetpenguin-racer11:18
ubotuplanetpenguin-racer: another 3D racing game featuring Tux, the Linux penguin. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-8 (edgy), package size 273 kB, installed size 744 kB11:18
cellofellow!planetpenguin-racer-data11:19
ubotuplanetpenguin-racer-data: data files for the game PlanetPenguin Racer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-8 (edgy), package size 6366 kB, installed size 7824 kB11:19
cellofellowonly a few megabytes. he must be surfing a lot.11:19
bigfuzzyjesuswow got to love the school computers.... pennys floating around in the case11:19
silvertip257cellofellow:  how come the slider only changes the icon size & not the panel ?11:19
cellofellowcause that's not what it11:20
cellofellowdoes here.11:20
cellofellowedgy or dapper?11:20
silvertip257oh?11:20
silvertip257edgy11:20
cellofellowchanging the panel size, the icons will change to match11:20
silvertip257mhm11:21
silvertip257mine get really shizzy & smal11:21
silvertip257*small11:21
cellofellowshizzy?11:21
silvertip257z = t in real life11:21
TheSheepsilvertip257: some controls have a minimum size -- if you reach it, the panel is not resized anymore, but the icons are11:21
silvertip257ok would that be 25 px for the XFCE panel ?11:22
TheSheepsilvertip257: depends on what applets you have on it11:22
cellofellowI never use smaller than 28 myself, so I dunno11:22
silvertip257ahh11:22
silvertip257i think they are kinda big at 25 (my pref)11:22
TheSheepsilvertip257: network monitor and clock tend to be pretty big11:22
cellofellowwhat screen size?11:22
silvertip2571024x76811:23
TheSheep320200? :311:23
silvertip257idk if i can get higher than that11:23
TheSheepwindows user, her11:23
TheSheepheh11:23
silvertip257haha TheSheep11:23
cellofellowsilvertip257: ok, now you're small panel thing makes sense11:23
silvertip257no not winblows11:23
TheSheepsilvertip257: but used to tiny fonts11:23
TheSheepsilvertip257: and super small icons11:23
silvertip257oh lmao yes11:23
silvertip257good eyes <.<11:23
TheSheepthat's a windows syndrome ;)11:23
silvertip257havin good eyes ?11:24
silvertip257lol11:24
TheSheepsince you can't resize icons on windows without making them look ugly11:24
cellofellowbigger fonts and bigger icons and bigger screens. that's the way I like it.11:24
silvertip257oh lol11:24
TheSheepand fonts also only look good in the default size11:24
cellofellowsince they are ALL the same 32x32 pixels or something11:24
cellofellowthe icons11:24
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TheSheeppretty boring :)11:24
silvertip257is there a way that I can make my panel be only so long on the side (left/right)11:25
cellofellowMost of the time I use SVG icons in the panel11:25
silvertip257cause it covers up my bottom panel at full length11:25
TheSheepsilvertip257: right click, customize panel, normal width11:25
silvertip257yea but then it doesnt span the whole thing11:25
cellofellowthat will make it only as wide as all the applets on it.11:25
silvertip257:(11:25
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silvertip257ya11:25
cellofellowall my panels are like that11:26
TheSheepcellofellow: leaves you place to click the desktop :)11:26
silvertip257i dont care for that11:26
cellofellowhttp://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com see11:26
silvertip257well for him yes11:26
cellofellowI still use the panel menu button. I like that better than right-clicking the desktop for the main menu.11:26
TheSheepcellofellow: too slow for me, and too small a target ;)11:27
TheSheepcellofellow: I also use the scrollwheel on the desktop to switch workspaces11:27
cellofellowright clicking the desktop is just something I'd rather use fluxbox for11:27
silvertip257hey cellofellow:  how did you get your CPU & mem box to be separate ?11:28
cellofellowI don't have a scrollwheel, so I just move my mouse to the edge of the screen and it goes to the next workspace11:28
cellofellowsilvertip257: they11:28
cellofellowthey're seperate panels11:28
cellofellowthei11:28
silvertip257ohhh LOL11:28
cellofellowahhhh11:28
silvertip257i shoulda figured that11:28
cellofellowthere's four total11:28
silvertip257very cool I'm gonna do that instead11:28
cellofellowthe top one auto-hides11:28
silvertip257oo11:28
silvertip257hmm11:29
silvertip257cause mine is nasty big (in my opinion) right now11:29
TheSheepsilvertip257: big is good, trust me :)11:29
TheSheepsilvertip257: also set your font to 16pt ;)11:29
silvertip257yea i'm gonna revamp this baby11:29
cellofellowif I had 1024x768 screen, mine would be a bit smaller.11:29
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silvertip257ah11:30
naphelgebbl with more questions i am sure... alias' still have me beat atm but thanx for help sofar11:30
cellofellowsometimes I use XDMCP to connect to this machine from a laptop that has 1024x768, and I end up with panels overlapping on the bottom when I get too many windows open.11:30
silvertip257guys you are right about there being a certain width11:32
silvertip257cause the new panel I added I have being 1/4 inch wide11:32
silvertip257only bc/ it's just icons11:32
TheSheepimho some applets are buggy in regard to size11:33
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silvertip257lol11:33
TheSheepcellofellow: have you tried to use that svg xfce icon I made?11:33
cellofellowI use Icon Box instead of Task List.11:33
TheSheepcellofellow: it's on the wiki11:33
cellofellowI did, thankyou11:34
TheSheep:D11:34
cellofellowthe Edgy one. Is there a new one for Feisty?11:34
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cellofellowXFCE icon? wait, maybe not. I used the SVG version of the Edgy logo from the wiki.11:35
silvertip257TheSheep can I hve that SVG icon plz ... i saw it on cellofellow's website11:35
cellofellowno, I made the thing that said Xubuntu myself. The icon in the button is from the wiki.11:35
silvertip257oh ok w/e it doesnt matter11:35
TheSheephttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Feisty?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntu-logo.svg11:36
cellofellowlol11:36
silvertip257i'm gonna work on my panels right now11:36
cellofellowgotta look at this...11:36
cellofellowsorry I said I did use it when I didn't11:36
TheSheepbased on the ubuntu logo, just changed the colors11:36
silvertip257cool11:36
silvertip257i like it11:36
silvertip257<saved>11:37
TheSheep:)11:37
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cellofellowuggh. I try to open the artwork page on the wiki and my dad complains about internet going slow. I think we seriously need a faster internet connection11:40
TheSheep:)11:41
TheSheepcellofellow: or qos11:41
cellofellowwhat's qos?11:41
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TheSheepquality of service11:41
TheSheepsomething that lets you specify how much bandwidth everyone gets11:42
TheSheepand reserve some just for you :)11:42
cellofellowonly 256kbps here, so I think that's the root of the problem11:42
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dosnlinuxI think I found a bug in the installer11:43
TheSheep!bugs11:43
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots11:43
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, w00t that free box has a 333mhz celeron with a 6 gb drive (it had to have been a teacher desktop, the student ones have 133mhz PII with a 4 gb drive...)11:48
cellofellowAll of those are better than my server box in some way. It's 167Mhz, 32MB, 1.5GB11:49
bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, now i have a 900mhz celeron with no HD, a 333mhz celeron with a 6gig HD, and 5 4gb HD's (and a 133mhz box in my storage room...) so.... what should i do with them all11:49
cellofellowthe really slow, small ones, get them a decent monitor and keyboard and mouse and make them into thin clients11:50
cellofellowthe 900Mhz one can be made into a small media center. TV and Music.11:50
cellofellowactually, you could make a server out of the 900Mhz one, all it'd need is a big HDD, and use the 133Mhz one as an MP3 player. Set up an IR remote device, and connect speakers to it. It'd play music stored on the server.11:52
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cellofellowyou could have 2 or three. and somehow make the clients play local CD's too.11:53
cellofellowthe possibilities are really endless, actually11:53
silvertip257lol go build one & we'll see11:53
cellofellowpossibilities11:53
cellofellowpossible doesn'11:53
cellofellowt mean easy, does it?11:53
gunny01do any of you know what you need to type into the command line to start thunderbird?11:54
cellofellowgrrrrr I keep missing the ' key11:54
silvertip257xD11:54
cellofellowthunderbird11:54
cellofellowor maybe it's mozilla-thunderbird11:54
gunny01I'm trying to make a desktop shortcut. typing 'thunderbird' doesn't work11:54
cellofellowtry mozilla<tab><tab>11:54
cellofellowit will show you possible completions11:54
gunny01Cellofellow: mozilla-thunderbird works.11:55
gunny01thanks.11:55
cellofellow:D11:55
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bigfuzzyjesuscellofellow, im still trying to decide, thats the problem... so many options, i just have to decide which one i want to do11:57
cellofellowyup11:57
bigfuzzyjesusugh, i dont know... i was thinking, i am going to guatamala on a service trip in june.... (edubuntu)11:59
bigfuzzyjesusaww crap12:01
bigfuzzyjesusbut they would need moniters12:01
somerville32bigfuzzyjesus, join -offtopic12:02
bigfuzzyjesusok12:02
bigfuzzyjesusok12:02
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qwehnceafter a fresh install on an old computer, after the desktop loads it kicks back to gdm12:08
qwehnceno help12:10
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somerville32qwehnce, Hi :)12:11
qwehncehi12:11
qwehncedo you know where the logs are kicked to?12:12
somerville32qwehnce, /var/log :)12:12
frankabelho can I identify a 'proposed' repository? I ask this because all seem that I'm upgrading again an 'proposed' repo and some things don't work at all12:13
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qwehncethe only error i receive is "error opening security policy file /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy12:14
somerville32frankabel, What do you mean by "identify"?12:14
somerville32frankabel, Did you enable the proposed repository?12:14
IndyGunFreakhow do you change the icon for your home folder, to an icon that i downloaded?  right click/properties doesn't work like it does in Gnome12:14
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somerville32IndyGunFreak, Change your theme12:15
IndyGunFreakchange my theme?12:15
frankabelsomerville32: I don't know... just want know i I have it enable12:15
somerville32frankabel, applications > system > software sources or look in /etc/apt/sources.list12:15
somerville32IndyGunFreak, Yes. Thats what decides what the icon is.12:15
cellofellowhe just wants to be able to know what repo an update comes from before he downloads it.12:16
IndyGunFreakok, wher edo i do that?12:16
IndyGunFreaki don't see a theme mgr in the menus12:16
somerville32Applications > Settings > User interface options12:16
cellofellowyou could manually change the /usr/share/icons/<themename>/<size>/places/home.png file12:16
frankabelsomerville32: ooohh yes "edgy-proposed"12:16
frankabelsomerville32: thanks12:16
somerville32np :)12:17
IndyGunFreakhmm, now that might cellofellow12:17
IndyGunFreaki'll try that, hang on12:17
frankabelsomerville32: now if want all the proposed packages out of my system what can I do?12:18
qwehnceafter a fresh install on an old computer, after the desktop loads it kicks back to gdm12:18
cellofellowhuh12:18
frankabelsomerville32:I just want the versions of the packages that aren't in the proposed repo12:19
somerville32frankabel, You'd most certainly have to use some magic hackery to accomplish that12:19
frankabelsomerville32::-D ok.... so is better keep on my system the proposed repo12:20
cellofellowyou'd have to go about holding packages and forbidding versions and stuff.12:20
somerville32frankabel, Feel free to disable that repository12:20
cellofellowit's better to NOT have it enabled.12:20
cellofellowbackports is better.12:20
somerville32frankabel, Sooner or later, tested and working versions will be uploaded to -updates12:21
somerville32cellofellow, -proposed is for testing. -backports has nothing to do with that.12:21
cellofellowneither does updates12:21
cellofellowI think12:21
somerville32Think again ;] 12:22
IndyGunFreakcellofellow: where is the theme mgr in Xubuntu 6.10, Applications/Settings/Window Manager settings?12:22
cellofellowyep12:22
IndyGunFreakif thats the case, choose a theme there, then go through the folder you put above, and change the home icon to the icon i want?12:22
cellofellowNo, wait12:22
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silvertip257cellofellow:  do you pass out that sweet background of those hills ?12:22
cellofellowI thought you meant XFWM theme12:22
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IndyGunFreakno, all i want to do, is change the icon of the home folder on m y deskto12:23
cellofellowsilvertip257: I got it on one of the -look.org websites. It's called Nightfear.12:23
IndyGunFreakto one i downloaded12:23
cellofellowsilvertip257: if you want a copy12:23
IndyGunFreakGnome, i simply right click/properties, doesn't work that way with xfce12:23
silvertip257ok12:23
frankabelsomerville32: yes but until that when I put "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade" with the proposed package disable the packages system will find that I have a newest versions of lots of packages installed on my system... that isn't a problem?12:23
qwehncemy computer is missing /usr/lib/xserver/SecurityPolicy12:24
cellofellowIndyGunFreak: go to Settings/User Interface Settings, click Icons, and choose the theme you want. Then go to /usr/share/icons/<themename>/scaleable/places and replace the home.svg icon (I think it's home.svg)12:24
IndyGunFreakcellofellow: ok12:24
cellofellowsilvertip257: accept that file transfer. /dcc get should work12:25
silvertip257yeah i'm trying12:25
cellofellowIndyGunFreak: don't use the scaleable size if the icon you downloaded isn't SVG. If it's PNG, use whatever size it is.12:26
silvertip257cellofellow I'm gonna cancel, plz try again12:26

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