[12:15] <waylandbill> Minataku: Talking heads...
[12:15] <Thehound666> well NTFS is ok but for now not being able to write in nix
[12:15] <distro-tester> this ms sql s and dcom are m$ to right minataku?
[12:15] <Thehound666> sure Ubuntu will fix it
[12:15] <aegis> Okay, I am at the bottom of the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file... the last few lines are "Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/(TTF | OTF | CID), removing from list!"
[12:15] <Minataku> Windows NT has never seen anything but NTFS
[12:15] <Minataku> aegis: Check those directories
[12:16] <ghostdog> wait till winfs
[12:16] <Minataku> Chances are they're defined as installed but aren't
[12:16] <ghostdog> more garbage
[12:16] <distro-tester> i even got a vcn ahah seems some one was thinking to monitor
[12:16] <Minataku> ghostdog: As if NTFS wasn't already unstable, we get a beta-version Windows filesystem?
[12:16] <ghostdog> I wanto see that update
[12:16] <ghostdog> xD
[12:16] <Minataku> rofl
[12:16] <distro-tester> vnc*
[12:16] <Minataku> Yeah
[12:16] <Minataku> "MICROSOFT I CONVERTED TO WINFS AND NOW ALL MY SH?T IS GONE!"
[12:16] <aegis> Yeah, there's no TTF / OTF / CID in the /usr/share/fonts/X11/ directory
[12:16] <ghostdog> "Your files have been lost"
[12:16] <Minataku> aegis: Install them
[12:16] <ghostdog> "Drive Corrupted"
[12:17] <Minataku> Yeah, that's their answer
[12:17] <Thehound666> NTFS unstable? How so? Always been very stable for me. FAT32 was another story
[12:17] <Minataku> "Reinstall Windows and your files"
[12:17] <darthdual> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to control the bandwith used by an ethernet adapter?
[12:17] <Thehound666> surprised to hear someone say that
[12:17] <Minataku> "Not from your backups, though, those are unsupported now with the new WinFS"
[12:17] <Minataku> XD
[12:17] <ghostdog> turn the power off on NTFS a few times
[12:17] <ghostdog> see how the journal works
[12:17] <distro-tester> i must ask u this as pc security is my hobby minataku can u learn windows security using linux and reading windows books or u nead windows to do that?
[12:17] <ghostdog> xD
[12:17] <sparr> stdin: now ive got to figure out my swap priority...  ive got 4 swap partitions.  ignoring media storage partitions, rarely used...  ive got one swap on its own ide channel.  one sharing a channel with /home.  one sharing a drive with /.  one sharing a drive with /home.  not sure if i should stripe any of them
[12:17] <andreasw> Minataku: hmm WinFS is just a new version of ntfs ^^
[12:18] <Minataku> Someone needs to infiltrate MS and replace the WinFS converter with deltree
[12:18] <Minataku> XD
[12:18] <ghostdog> the will screw that themselves
[12:18] <Minataku> I'm sure, but it's a funny thought
[12:18] <darthdual> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to control the bandwith used by an ethernet adapter?
[12:18] <aegis> The thing is, it doesn't explicitly say error (EE) in the log file for the missing fonts
[12:18] <ghostdog> "your updates are ready"
[12:18] <Minataku> Even if I'd never literally suggest it
[12:18] <Minataku> aegis: Install those base fonts
[12:19] <Minataku> ghostdog: True, it'll be forced in time
[12:19] <ghostdog> darthdual, wondershaper
[12:19] <distro-tester> im intrested in learing both linux and windows security was scared u nead windows to learn windows one is that true?
[12:19] <aegis> How should I do that? use apt or something?
[12:19] <Minataku> When they tie all that "Treacherous Computing" bull into WinFS
[12:19] <stdin> sparr: I normally let the kernel decide what it wants, I hardy ever use any swap
[12:19] <distro-tester> or u can do that even on linux whit both os books?
[12:19] <Minataku> And suddenly "NTFS isn't secure and must be upgraded"
[12:19] <sparr> stdin: i just went from 1GB to 512MB of ram, so i need some swap for a while  :)
[12:19] <ghostdog> I do
[12:19] <ghostdog> xD
[12:19] <ghostdog> benchmark the crap out of them
[12:19] <stdin> sparr: uh, yeah, you will :P
[12:19] <Minataku> You can't truly learn anything unless you're allowed to hurt yourself trying
[12:20] <sparr> distro-tester: the only good windows internet security amounts to "put a real OS between windows and the internet"
[12:20] <|KingFish|> hey peepz
[12:20] <Minataku> Until you actually touch it, you don't really know that "fire bad"
[12:20] <ghostdog> the rush is more if it is physical
[12:20] <TheHermit> Ho wto use quicktime plugin in opera
[12:20] <darthdual> ghostdog, what is wondershapper
[12:20] <andreasw> winfs is 8MB/s slower than ext3  here ^^ just tested it
[12:20] <ghostdog> google
[12:20] <TheHermit> or get it
[12:20] <|KingFish|> anyone able to help me with realvnc install in kubuntu?
[12:21] <Minataku> lol
[12:21] <distro-tester> well im sure u can learn even windows security using linux as in big % they are the same stuff and then u can read both os books don't nead xp to learn that
[12:21] <ghostdog> the funny this about vista is aero
[12:21] <Minataku> Thehound666: And unintentionally, I'm sure
[12:21] <Minataku> Aero is useless
[12:21] <ghostdog> I will stick with aiglx + beryl
[12:21] <Thehound666> well not yet
[12:21] <Thehound666> haven't allowed it to be up >1 day
[12:21] <Minataku> The fact that the damn UI is incompatible with older applications is totally asinine
[12:21] <Minataku> WHAT THE FARK
[12:21] <Minataku> I mean, seriously
[12:21] <|KingFish|> anybody?
[12:21] <ghostdog> the resources, ohh the resources
[12:21] <|KingFish|> oh yeah, vista is teh suck
[12:22] <Minataku> The whole thing reeks of typical Microsoft bad design, poor coding and poor choices
[12:22] <distro-tester> o' reilly makes very good books on all the os
[12:22] <ghostdog> will still end up using it
[12:22] <Minataku> Except this time it REALLY stinks
[12:22] <ghostdog> to help win newbies
[12:22] <Thehound666> poor Bill
[12:22] <|KingFish|> you forgot the plagiarized ideas mina
[12:22] <Thehound666> Vista was a desperation release
[12:22] <Minataku> ghostdog: Don't count on it, the defectors are raising a fuss
[12:22] <waylandbill> distro-tester: you're right. their socket libraries are based on similar code.. so at a fundamental level you're protecting the same things.
[12:22] <Minataku> Vista's future already looks kinda shaky
[12:22] <waylandbill> distro-tester: one has more programs with more holes though
[12:22] <|KingFish|> there won't be many early adopters
[12:22] <distro-tester> in fact just don't have to worry of netbios 139 and so on
[12:22] <ghostdog> It will take one incompatability
[12:23] <ghostdog> that will frustrate people
[12:23] <Minataku> Times seem to be changing, and they look to be changing for the good of our side
[12:23] <distro-tester> are u japanese minataku?
[12:23] <Thehound666> but before the penguin starts clapping, we need to convince the masses they can use Linux
[12:23] <ghostdog> between paying 1500 to 2000 $$ rather get a mac
[12:23] <Minataku> I mean, look at the PS3... everyone with half a brain hates it
[12:23] <Thehound666> I always hear "it's too hard"
[12:23] <ghostdog> ubuntu needs to sell machines preinstalled
[12:23] <Minataku> ghostdog: What, get a Mac with a TPM chip GUARANTEED for $3000?
[12:23] <ghostdog> like
[12:23] <ghostdog> mac
[12:23] <ghostdog> built and tailored
[12:23] <Minataku> ghostdog: You don't realize that Apple is worse than Microsoft
[12:24] <Minataku> They always have been
[12:24] <Thehound666> I'm having an easier time than when I started Windows
[12:24] <Minataku> With tightly closed and controlled hardware
[12:24] <Minataku> Especially now
[12:24] <Thehound666> and really I started serious stuff on a mac
[12:24] <Thehound666> then windows
[12:24] <Minataku> Since their switch to Intel enabled them to work in 100% "Treacherous Computing" technology
[12:24] <distro-tester> what i must get used to is linux speed and stableness wayland im used to click hard on xp to open a program here whit a light click u risk to open to many times same one ahah
[12:24] <Thehound666> then nix
[12:24] <ghostdog> the only thing about macs
[12:24] <darthdual> mac should stick with ipods and nothing else.
[12:24] <ghostdog> is that I use adobe products alot
[12:24] <ghostdog> especially Indesign
[12:25] <Minataku> The only good thing about Macs is that you get a more satisfying feeling out of destroying something so ugly
[12:25] <Thehound666> macs used to be the best thing awhile back
[12:25] <Thehound666> when there was no linux
[12:25] <ghostdog> if not, I would go kubuntu all the way
[12:25] <darthdual> mac's are going the way of the dodo bird.
[12:26] <ghostdog> but, linux is ready for companies as workstations
[12:26] <distro-tester> http://www.oreilly.com/ here u can get very good books on linux bsd mac and windows
[12:26] <Minataku> Like I said, Apple has always been worse than Microsoft
[12:26] <ghostdog> one because people will not know wtf to do and how to install programas
[12:26] <Minataku> The so called "good side" was never good, it was always a significantly less free environment
[12:26] <ghostdog> and two less maintenance
[12:26] <darthdual> linus T.  when asked about macOsX, said it's garbage.
[12:26] <Minataku> Windows actually has far MORE maintenance
[12:26] <Thehound666> but if you ran companies, you ran macs. No crashes like Windows usually
[12:26] <distro-tester> no i like macs minataku they are a bsd based nix os  and best looking pc for me why u don't like them?
[12:26] <Thehound666> and less virus prone
[12:27] <distro-tester> id say mac is the pc just $ to much
[12:27] <Thehound666> now some companies use linux
[12:27] <sparr> Minataku: "was"?  now that apple runs on bsd, its hard to say they are less free/open
[12:27] <ghostdog> uff
[12:27] <ghostdog> or get a mainframe server
[12:27] <Minataku> sparr: It's a bastardized FreeBSD userland
[12:27] <ghostdog> and just run terminals
[12:27] <Minataku> The kernel is CMU Mach
[12:27] <distro-tester> i see soon mac and linux unite as novell did whit m$
[12:27] <Minataku> Not to mention Apple wants to close Darwin off
[12:27] <darthdual> Expensive BSD.  Not free.
[12:27] <Minataku> To protect their... *shudder*... "Intellectual Property"
[12:27] <darthdual> They charge for drivers.
[12:27] <distro-tester> hope they will make a os for normal pc's so we can use mac and linux togheter that would be great
[12:28] <Thehound666> I'd ditch mac entirely if they killed Darwin
[12:28] <distro-tester> why don't u like mac's ?
[12:28] <Thehound666> Darwin is the best thing on a mac
[12:28] <ghostdog> well going back to my original questions, this might be a trivial question, but I remember a while back in dapper (using edgy now), when I popped in a dvd, the title of it would display on the desktop icon
[12:28] <Minataku> distro-tester: I ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT
[12:28] <Minataku> Thehound666: Dump Darwin and get real FreeBSD
[12:28] <distro-tester> o i diden't read sorry let me scroll up
[12:29] <Minataku> Darwin is NeXTSTEP with FreeBSD userland because Apple couldn't make their own fast enough
[12:29] <darthdual> It's just that in an age of convergence, Mac seems to wanna diverge.  This complicates everything for everyone.
[12:29] <Minataku> They wanted to cheap out their sh?t so they ripped off FreeBSD's stuff
[12:30] <andreasw> hehe I am not the only person who doesn't like Apple ;)
[12:30] <distro-tester> well in a way u right minataku linux for an open source os is the best made potentialy but mac has some more points but we speaking of a $ os vs a open source free one
[12:30] <Minataku> Slap it all together with an ugly UI, hide all the FreeBSD stuff and call it OSX
[12:30] <Thehound666> sort of, FreeBSD is legal to implement in other projects, but you must fully disclose it
[12:30] <Minataku> MacOSX isn't free
[12:30] <Minataku> MacOSX is quite expensive
[12:30] <distro-tester> i was saying linux
[12:30] <darthdual> Mac only went open source because they were forced to.  I personally don't respect that.  You should do it because you belieeve in it.
[12:30] <distro-tester> i know that's why i don't run a mac now
[12:30] <Minataku> darthdual: Not to mention they want to go closed again anyway
[12:30] <andreasw> MacOSX isn't expensive compared to other commercial operating systems but the hardware is
[12:30] <ghostdog> crap, this hddvd aacs issue pisses me off
[12:31] <hendo> i have a wireless mouse how do i install the aplication on unbuntu dapper 606lts
[12:31] <ghostdog> cant even view my own dvd's
[12:31] <distro-tester> u think tiger is the moast evoluted os in the world as they say now?
[12:31] <andreasw> because you have to use apple hardware
[12:31] <Minataku> andreasw: Not to mention that their hardware is crap
[12:31] <Minataku> It's difficult to upgrade, in short, DFB
[12:31] <Thehound666> If I get the hang of Linux source code someday to the point I have the hang of Java
[12:31] <distro-tester> mac is a bit a mix of linux and win
[12:31] <darthdual> minataku:  That is why I abondened mac after years of hardcore defense.
[12:31] <Minataku> It uses Torx screws in a cheap attempt to keep people out
[12:31] <Thehound666> I'd like to make my own frontend to the kernal
[12:31] <Thehound666> just to do it
[12:31] <andreasw> Minataku: tell that to an apple lover ^^ they will call you a flamer and so on ;)
[12:31] <Thehound666> kernel
[12:31] <Thehound666> *
[12:32] <Minataku> andreasw: I'd punch them in their retarded face
[12:32] <distro-tester> apple says their mac os x tiger now is the more advances os in the world u agree?
[12:32] <darthdual> hell no
[12:32] <Minataku> Mac OSX is a lousy piece of sh?t
[12:32] <Minataku> They took FreeBSD and made it suck
[12:32] <distro-tester> btw no one can deny they are the best looking desktop and pc's ever at least for me
[12:32] <hendo> i have a wireless mouse the batteries are not charging
[12:32] <darthdual> They are always shooting legalise propaganda.
[12:32] <Minataku> Which is the ONLY thing I'll give them credit for
[12:32] <Minataku> Since FreeBSD rules
[12:32] <hendo> what do i do
[12:33] <Thehound666> Linux=most evolved Tiger=most user-friendly while being stable Windows=less stable but hell you need your games
[12:33] <Minataku> And it must have taken a LOT of work to make FreeBSD totally suck
[12:33] <darthdual> I should be able to sue them for that statement.
[12:33] <andreasw> I worked for 6 month with MacOSX (developed some java apps in Eclipse) the programs crashed a lot and it was very slow
[12:33] <underdog5004> evoluted?  more like convoluted!
[12:33] <distro-tester> well moast people give credit to macs just for his looks so don't worry
[12:33] <andreasw> not to mention that you don't see special keys like | on the keyboard
[12:33] <distro-tester> it's the handsome os
[12:33] <Minataku> Macs are ugly
[12:33] <darthdual> minataku------ha ha ha ha ha
[12:33] <ghostdog> Thehound666, buy a gaming console xD
[12:33] <distro-tester> 1 person i hear say it
[12:33] <Minataku> I don't want a shiny piece of crap, I want a nice, open computer that I can actually do stuff with
[12:34] <distro-tester> yes but u can't say their look is ugly vs xp or linux
[12:34] <ghostdog> mac+mysql = piece of crap
[12:34] <distro-tester> i mean they well designed
[12:34] <Minataku> distro-tester: I can and I have
[12:34] <Minataku> Several times already
[12:34] <andreasw> distro-tester: yes they look nice
[12:34] <Minataku> Macs are ugly
[12:34] <distro-tester> ok matter of views
[12:34] <Minataku> Mac OSX is ugly
[12:34] <Minataku> And the ugliest of all is what Apple is doing
[12:34] <underdog5004> distro-tester, you really were getting attacked my M$? zomg! The black helicopters are coming...they're coing!
[12:34] <ghostdog> aqua theme outdated
[12:34] <andreasw> distro-tester: but I am a person who doesn't care about look I want an efficient OS not the best looking
[12:34] <Minataku> Which is plain and simple CRIME
[12:34] <underdog5004> coming*
[12:34] <darthdual> So many uses of the word mac is causing there stock to skyrocket, but they still suck.
[12:35] <ghostdog> never liked to have my computer looking like itunes xD
[12:35] <tamacracka> underdog..
[12:35] <hendo> i have dapper how do you install the application for wireless mouse
[12:35] <andreasw> distro-tester: I also never change the default theme of any desktop ^^
[12:35] <tamacracka> do you have knowledge of videodownload for firefox?
[12:35] <underdog5004> sorry, distro-tester ...just really...I don't know...feelin' weird...
[12:35] <underdog5004> tamacracka, what's up?
[12:35] <distro-tester> i like them still and hope we unite as we both nix os so we can run linux mac on a normal pc i see that not far since novell went m$ everything is possible now
[12:35] <underdog5004> ummm...no, I've got it installed on my other box
[12:35] <Minataku> I hope Apple goes tits up
[12:35] <distro-tester> well use what is best for u
[12:35] <Minataku> Microsoft too
[12:35] <tamacracka> uh.. the file is saved as .fvi and i change it to mpeg or mpg... and it doesn't play the sound
[12:35] <ghostdog> they wont
[12:36] <Minataku> They can both go under overnight and I won't miss them
[12:36] <ghostdog> they are going to kill with iphones
[12:36] <distro-tester> but i do think macs are pretty as desk and pc and will get a mini mac for collection
[12:36] <Minataku> ghostdog: Oh, boy, DRM'd phone conversations now
[12:36] <distro-tester> pity the lowest one is 600 euro
[12:36] <Phlosten> i reckon those iPhones will be a big flop
[12:36] <Minataku> What, does the person I talk to have to buy a license to talk to me?
[12:36] <Phlosten> a disaster waiting to happen
[12:36] <ghostdog> put linux in it xD
[12:36] <Minataku> Or can they only talk to me for three minutes or three times, whichever comes first?
[12:37] <andreasw> ghostdog: of course they will rock with iphone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM
[12:37] <andreasw> hrhr
[12:37] <distro-tester> btw just curius where u from minataku i fought u where from japan
[12:37] <Phlosten> Minataku: you will need to purchase music from iTunes to be able to talk
[12:37] <Minataku> distro-tester: I'm from the USA
[12:37] <distro-tester> rome here hi
[12:37] <Minataku> Phlosten: iTalk minutes
[12:37] <Minataku> And they're encrypted until the other caller buys some too
[12:37] <Phlosten> iRort
[12:37] <Minataku> And then you can ONLY talk to other iPhones
[12:38] <ghostdog> tmobile = mac-mobile?
[12:38] <Minataku> Because the DRM is incompatible with competitors phones which don't have any
[12:38] <distro-tester> does eany of u know if there is a program that can cam audio on msn yahoo aol kopete amsn a part that can just cam?
[12:38] <distro-tester> any*
[12:38] <Phlosten> Minataku: and you will probably have to be within wireless range of a suitable iMac
[12:38] <darthdual> Has anyone seen the commercials for mac where they diss themselves.  I finally figured out why they do that.  People love to talk about what they hate.  And the more people talk about it the more that supercomputers count it.  Then there stock skyrockets.  All you people hating on mac don't know how much you're helping them out.
[12:38] <Minataku> And don't forget the TC aspect, where if Apple decides they don't like what you're talking about on your iPhone, they hang it up on you
[12:39] <Phlosten> Minataku: for verification of your worship towards Apple
[12:39] <distro-tester> i found out kopete can cam on msn yahoo now and amsn just cam on msn u know better?
[12:39] <Phlosten> distro-tester: neato
[12:39] <distro-tester> we made minataku made whit this macs ahah
[12:39] <distro-tester> o thanx what does it do?
[12:39] <tamacracka> underdog you there bro?
[12:39] <_ANA123211> :) Hi boys does someone knows if konkerror can remember the sesions? thx
[12:40] <Minataku> I'm not mad. I'm indignant.
[12:40] <Minataku> lol
[12:40] <ghostdog> yup sure can
[12:40] <Minataku> Sorry for that outburst, BTW
[12:40] <distro-tester> if u got link of neato thanx would be appriciated
[12:40] <Minataku> At least I had the majority on my side this time
[12:40] <Minataku> XD
[12:40] <underdog5004> tamacracka, sorry, had a customer...
[12:40] <distro-tester> well your a purist minataku but rember purist ruin linux as all fanatics all ways be open mind to changes
[12:41] <underdog5004> what's going on?
[12:41] <Minataku> I'm not a purist
[12:41] <Minataku> I care about my digital rights
[12:41] <distro-tester> seem so in a way
[12:41] <tamacracka> basically i installed the videodownloader
[12:41] <underdog5004> purists are dumb...just get what works for you!
[12:41] <underdog5004> tamacracka, ok
[12:41] <tamacracka> and it saves as .fvi
[12:41] <Minataku> And I also happen to know exactly who is doing what to destroy them
[12:41] <tamacracka> so i change it to .mpeg or .mpg
[12:41] <underdog5004> ok
[12:41] <Minataku> tamacracka: Negative
[12:41] <tamacracka> and it doesn't play the sound.. only video
[12:41] <Minataku> It's it's own format
[12:41] <underdog5004> play it as a .flv
[12:41] <underdog5004> flash video
[12:41] <tamacracka> i never heard of .fiv >.>
[12:41] <distro-tester> btw im open to any thing can make linux change the world and become at least  as m$ os used if not better
[12:41] <Minataku> It's "Macromedia Flash Video"
[12:42] <tamacracka> oh.
[12:42] <distro-tester> any oen got the link of neato?
[12:42] <tamacracka> can i conver it?
[12:42] <underdog5004> oh wait....fvi....hmmm, never heard of it...
[12:42] <tamacracka> is that possible?
[12:42] <Minataku> I'd say try mplayer but Kubuntu mplayer can't play them out of the box
[12:42] <underdog5004> Minataku, ah ah ah, it's Adobe now...lol
[12:42] <underdog5004> mplayer or kaffeine
[12:42] <Minataku> underdog5004: file(1) still says "Macromedia Flash Video"
[12:42] <tamacracka> to convert?
[12:42] <Minataku> Until they change that, that's what it is
[12:42] <Minataku> XD
[12:42] <underdog5004> Minataku, ah...weird
[12:43] <distro-tester> btw many still lought at me when i say mac and linux will soon unite i think it's possible
[12:43] <tamacracka> i wanna play it on my mp3 player :\
[12:43] <Minataku> distro-tester: I hope not
[12:43] <Minataku> I want Macs to die off
[12:43] <underdog5004> me too
[12:43] <larson9999> using a linksys router for the first time.  i logged into the router but can't find the place that lists the mac addresses of the machines connected.  my other routers all had such a thing.  do linksys routers?
[12:43] <zyth> Can someone recommend a program similar to DVD Shrink for WIndows for Kubuntu?
[12:43] <distro-tester> but that will mean u can have much advantages much better then uniting whit m$ rember we both nix os they are not
[12:44] <distro-tester> mac dosen't hate us they do
[12:44] <Minataku> The last thing I'd EVER want is Linux to come under the influence of a fully-TC'd, fully-DRM'd OS that's just a bastardized, stolen version of a good OS
[12:44] <Minataku> Oh, no, Apple really hates us
[12:44] <Minataku> We're just more money they don't make
[12:44] <distro-tester> never as m$ we both unix based to see that side
[12:44] <underdog5004> distro-tester, liNUX is not a *nix system...
[12:44] <underdog5004> it's a *nux system
[12:44] <andreasw> apple isn't better than microsoft ^^
[12:45] <Minataku> So they despise us until we start funneling money into their pockets, and even then they still assume that we're criminals looking to steal whatever we can
[12:45] <distro-tester> but mac runs on bsd it's still a nix machine
[12:45] <distro-tester> os
[12:45] <andreasw> so what?
[12:45] <underdog5004> I don't know...
[12:45] <Minataku> distro-tester: OSX does NOT use a BSD kernel
[12:45] <Minataku> It's CMU MAch
[12:45] <tamacracka> Minataku can i convert this flash file into .mpeg?
[12:45] <underdog5004> still
[12:45] <Minataku> *Mach
[12:45] <Minataku> With a FreeBSD userland
[12:45] <distro-tester> btw i see alliance whit em is much better then what novell did don't know why
[12:45] <Minataku> It's a Unix clone at the core
[12:45] <distro-tester> what does osx use intel?
[12:45] <Minataku> And a Unix ripoff at the base
[12:46] <underdog5004> Minataku, no. It's a minix clone.
[12:46] <Minataku> underdog5004: We don't give clone status based on other clones
[12:46] <Minataku> All clones trace back to the parent
[12:46] <underdog5004> Minataku, oh, I didn't realise there was a standard
[12:46] <Minataku> underdog5004: Well, if you start going into it like that then it gets too confusing
[12:47] <distro-tester> as i said im open to everything leads to make linux more compatible and easy as long it remains free and open source
[12:47] <underdog5004> I guess...
[12:47] <Minataku> It's best to trace heritage back to the parent
[12:47] <Minataku> Since Minix is a Unix clone
[12:47] <distro-tester> what does osx run intel?
[12:47] <tamacracka> Can someone tell me how to convert videos that are downloaded from youtbue into .mpeg or .mpg
[12:47] <Minataku> OSX is on PowerPC (which has no TC so Apple is trying to kill it as fast as possible) and Intel (which is fully TC-integrated)
[12:48] <_ANA123211> :) Hi boys does someone knows if konkerror can remember the sesions? thx
[12:48] <underdog5004> I didn't realise that apple was so pro-TC
[12:48] <distro-tester> many are scared what what novell did will make linux just less and less open source and free as suse is all ready in part and whit the infection problems of windows u belive that?
[12:48] <Minataku> underdog5004: OSX won't work without the TPM chip
[12:48] <underdog5004> _ANA123211, there's probably a plugin for it...
[12:49] <Minataku> Or an acceptible emulation of said device
[12:49] <zyth> Minataku: not true
[12:49] <underdog5004> Minataku, what about those Hackintosh systems on quad-core AMD chips?
[12:49] <zyth> it works on my generic x86 box
[12:49] <zyth> I have no TPM chip.
[12:49] <distro-tester> like all the junk of windows os go to us for the install of windows programs
[12:49] <malik> when upgrading from edgy to fiesty do we havce to update and change sources.list file(repos) and then go sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:49] <Minataku> zyth: You used the downloadable thing
[12:49] <Minataku> Am I right?
[12:49] <zyth> Minataku: well yea.
[12:49] <zyth> stock won't work, true
[12:49] <Minataku> That has a TPM chip emulator
[12:49] <zyth> ahh
[12:49] <zyth> didn't know that
[12:50] <Minataku> So OSX thinks it's on a Mac because of the emulated TPM device
[12:50] <tamacracka> Can someone tell me how to convert videos that are downloaded from youtbue into .mpeg or .mpg
[12:50] <Minataku> It's nothing more really than a throwaway microcontroller
[12:50] <Minataku> Probably running no faster than 25 or 30MHz
[12:50] <distro-tester> im curius to know if what i fear to is right that alliance whit m$ will make linux less secure and open source free over all get all the infections of windows for program compatibility?
[12:51] <Minataku> distro-tester: Nothing at all
[12:51] <distro-tester> this is what moast people fear but i don't think novell is so dumb to go worse
[12:51] <Minataku> There are sane people who check everything in Linux, not to mention that a QC department of MILLIONS will catch anything else
[12:51] <distro-tester> maby this will really lead to make linux better easyier and compatible who knows
[12:52] <malik> when upgrading from edgy to fiesty do we have to update and change sources.list file(repos) and then go sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?..............can some1 tell me if its correct?
[12:52] <zyth> nm K9Copy is good
[12:52] <underdog5004> http://polishlinux.com/gnu/drm-vista-and-your-rights/
[12:52] <underdog5004> check this article out...it's about Vista and DRM
[12:52] <zyth> malik: I believe so, but feisty isn't ready for general use yet.  Don't use it as your main box
[12:52] <zyth> underdog5004: url doesn't work
[12:52] <distro-tester> yes that's true and even couse the virus written for windows 99% can't run on unix os
[12:52] <Minataku> Don't forget www.badvista.org
[12:53] <Minataku> Just go there, anything about Vista that's not marketing-approved propaganda is all linked from there
[12:53] <underdog5004> http://polishlinux.com/gnu/drm-vista-and-your-rights/
[12:53] <distro-tester> so what u going to do undergod 30 'night is the white night they said to present vista and u can download it for free u going there?
[12:54] <underdog5004> distro-tester, MS can't influence the vanilla linux kernel, it can only influence the SUSE version of linux
[12:54] <distro-tester> d*
[12:54] <underdog5004> distro-tester, huh?
[12:54] <Boredwaffle> hello
[12:54] <zyth> umm... why is kubuntu NOT automounting my diablo disc
[12:54] <Minataku> And SuSE Linux is completely dead in the water anyway
[12:54] <Minataku> They used to be good, but they dropped out a while ago
[12:54] <distro-tester> they told me 30 night vista will presented on web on m$ servers and u can even download it for free
[12:54] <distro-tester> to try it
[12:54] <Boredwaffle> so I just downloaded Kubuntu and burned it to a dvd, but now I can't boot it
[12:54] <tamacracka> Can someone tell me how to convert videos that are downloaded from youtbue into .mpeg or .mpg
[12:55] <underdog5004> yeah, I tried SUSE a while ago (10.0) and it wasn't that great...really slow scripts for package management
[12:55] <Minataku> distro-tester: It'll die after 30 days
[12:55] <Minataku> It's not free
[12:55] <Minataku> It's just a crappy demo
[12:55] <zyth> Isn't Kubuntu supposed to automount discs?
[12:55] <distro-tester> yes was curius to know if u wanted to give it a try
[12:55] <underdog5004> distro-tester, uh...why would I even touch Vista? I'm perfectly happy w/ kubuntu
[12:55] <distro-tester> hehe just curiosity
[12:55] <Boredwaffle> Can anyone help?
[12:55] <Minataku> After 30 days it goes into "Enhanced Reduced Functionality Mode" until you pay the $300 to buy a copy of it
[12:56] <distro-tester> they putted laser stuff in it so u can't pirate it they said as xp
[12:56] <zyth> Minataku: 170 for 'Home Premium' ';)
[12:56] <tamacracka> Does anyone know how or what I can use to convert ".flv" into .mpeg or .mpg?
[12:56] <underdog5004> already checked it out at the shop where I work...it's not that great...
[12:56] <zyth> tamacracka: ffmpeg prolly.
[12:56] <underdog5004> Minataku, lol, Enhanced Reduced?
[12:56] <distro-tester> pirate versions will work 10% then original ones
[12:56] <tamacracka> ffmpeg?
[12:56] <Minataku> "ERFM" is their term for a Windows that only lets you go to a microsoft.com page to buy a Vista license
[12:56] <Minataku> underdog5004: It's stupid as hell, I know
[12:57] <underdog5004> oh...I thought it was a joke...guess it kinda is...
[12:57] <distro-tester> i was saying i come from suse 10. 2 and fedora madrivia id say only distro that can compete whit ubuntu is fedora now
[12:57] <Minataku> www.badvista.org
[12:57] <Eruantalon> !kde
[12:57] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop", or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[12:57] <zyth> Hmm....
[12:57] <distro-tester> suse is hell slow and to far commercial now as madrivia don't like them
[12:57] <zyth> Ubuntu automatically associated .exe's with Wine
[12:57] <zyth> why is Kubuntu not doing this
[12:57] <Chousuke> underdog5004: that DRM article uses a lot of words that smell like FUDmongering (Is that a word? now it is.).
[12:57] <zyth> *kicks Kubuntu*
[12:57] <distro-tester> btw on what novell did only future can tell if it will be good for bad for linux it's useless to speak now
[12:58] <underdog5004> Chousuke, it made a lot of sense to me...
[12:58] <Minataku> Chousuke: Take that sh?t outside
[12:58] <Chousuke> underdog5004: not that I disagree with it. It just could have been more neutral
[12:58] <distro-tester> what u guys think of fedora 6 ?
[12:58] <underdog5004> distro-tester, yeah, but ms can't affect the whole linux sphere...only the suse portion of it.
[12:58] <Minataku> Chousuke: Microsoft uses FUD, why can't we?
[12:58] <Chousuke> The last thing you want is to sound like a zealot when explaining the dangers of DRM.
[12:59] <Minataku> Chousuke: It's far more dangerous than a neutral standpoint garners
[12:59] <andreasw> Chousuke: I have to agree
[12:59] <underdog5004> Chousuke, what portions are too fanatical?
[12:59] <distro-tester> i know even if bill gates in a way said he will make pay every one who dosen't use suse in future
[12:59] <distro-tester> if u want to use linux
[12:59] <andreasw> if you don't buy drm protected software or music you will never ever have any problem with drm
[12:59] <leiar> Can anyone give me a hint of what this message could mean. I try to start a windows programme in wine. I've installed it, an got into the first screen in the program. This is the message I get: Unhandled page fault on read access to
[12:59] <Minataku> andreasw: That's the point
[01:00] <Minataku> You literally CAN'T buy anything that isn't DRM'd, especially in the realm of music
[01:00] <underdog5004> uh...music CD's
[01:00] <distro-tester> the monopoly that bill gates is trying to do is in a way make u use just suse so he can take over linux world it's like or u all alliance whit him or u gone
[01:00] <Minataku> underdog5004: Sony XCP
[01:01] <Minataku> You don't know what you're getting on an "audio" CD
[01:01] <underdog5004> http://polishlinux.com/reviews/drm_vista_i_nasze_prawa/content_protection.png
[01:01] <underdog5004> ^ that's the jist of it^
[01:01] <distro-tester> do u like fedora as distro underdog?
[01:01] <underdog5004> Minataku, yeah, but most cd's are protected like that
[01:01] <underdog5004> distro-tester, never used fedora...
[01:01] <Eruantalon> andreasw: The problem comes when to many use DRM and accept it and suddenly almost everything will require you to use DRM and then when things like the broadcast flag gets approved we will all be forced by law to used closed systems...
[01:01] <Chousuke> underdog5004: well, in the paragraph where he explains the technological aspect of DRM, he says that products are no longer made to be of top quality. The part which he emphasises: "manufactured not for the highest stability and performance, but rather for the best copyright protection possible." is not entirely true.
[01:02] <Minataku> Eruantalon: Finally someone who's really done their homework on this
[01:02] <Chousuke> not _all_ vendors will stop trying to make quality because of DRM
[01:02] <equinoxeB> hy there...
[01:02] <zyth> woot Diablo 2 installing.
[01:02] <roniez> argh, whe i am trying to browse a folder its says rejecting i/o  on dead devices in dmesg its a external hdd.
[01:02] <zyth> hehe
[01:02] <distro-tester> btw what ever happens thanx to distros as ubuntu fedora and few others bill gates will have to deal he will not have the 90% of informatic power any more
[01:02] <Minataku> Chousuke: Quality doesn't exist anymore outside of a choice few companies
[01:02] <equinoxeB> I'm trying to wine war3....
[01:02] <roniez> but i can brose anotther folder on same hdd.
[01:02] <equinoxeB> and it's really slow
[01:02] <Minataku> It's all about shoving sh?t out the door as cheap as possible at as high a price as possible
[01:02] <Eruantalon> Minataku: Thanks. And i don't even live en US but when it gets  adopted there the eu and then denmark will soon follow
[01:03] <distro-tester> and that's the biggest victory
[01:03] <equinoxeB> Ati Card. My friends has nVidia
[01:03] <zyth> equinoxeB: run with the -opengl command line option
[01:03] <equinoxeB> and it works ok
[01:03] <Chousuke> Minataku: And DRM helps that.
[01:03] <tamacracka> zyth >.> how do i open ffmpeg?
[01:03] <underdog5004> Eruantalon, in, not en
[01:03] <Skunkwaffle> I need some help installing Kubuntu can anyone help
[01:03] <underdog5004> man, I'm a jerk today...sorry Eruantalon
[01:03] <Minataku> Eruantalon: Exactly, and when I sent a letter via the FSF to my local representative, I got a reply basically saying I was a lousy two-bit thied
[01:03] <Minataku> *thief
[01:03] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, what's up?
[01:03] <Skunkwaffle> don't know
[01:03] <Minataku> Because I opposed it
[01:03] <Eruantalon> underdog5004: No problem.
[01:03] <Skunkwaffle> I downloaded and burnd to dvd, but now I'm getting a booter error
[01:03] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, why do you need help?
[01:04] <underdog5004> ok
[01:04] <andreasw> Eruantalon: just the nightmares of some drm enemies ;)
[01:04] <underdog5004> how did you burn it?
[01:04] <equinoxeB> :) got the problem... system32 not found :P
[01:04] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, how did you burn it?
[01:04] <Minataku> My nightmares are more of the idiots who just sit back and take it
[01:04] <distro-tester> to see everthing on video films videos etc do i just nead vlc?
[01:04] <Skunkwaffle> um... with some freeware iso burner
[01:04] <andreasw> Minataku: well please don't become personal
[01:04] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, alex Feinman?
[01:04] <distro-tester> if u can explain me how video codecs work on linux go no idea
[01:04] <Eruantalon> andreasw: Besides I want to be able to still get my dose of Pink Floyd et. al. without using ms
[01:04] <Skunkwaffle> do you think a crappy program would fuck it up
[01:05] <Minataku> Even if you inform them of all the dangers, they just f?cking say "It doesn't bother me right now" I just want to F/cking kick their F&cking a$ses
[01:05] <andreasw> Minataku: if you can't discuss in a non personal way you should better stop
[01:05] <underdog5004> seriously
[01:05] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, no
[01:05] <distro-tester> mina i must be less paranoic on security but u must calm down ahah
[01:05] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, just trying to figure out which one...
[01:05] <Skunkwaffle> I don't remember
[01:05] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, not a biggie...
[01:05] <underdog5004> what message do you get when you try to boot?
[01:05] <Riddell> !language
[01:05] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:06] <Skunkwaffle> well it goes to one menu
[01:06] <Minataku> How can, nay, WHY SHOULD I calm down when there are people with the attitude out there that enable MY RIGHTS to be DESTROYED!?
[01:06] <distro-tester> give time to time and we will win of course 50 50% is the solution how ever it goes as we live in a capitalistic world we can't be purist
[01:06] <Eruantalon> Minataku: Well for most of them when they discover that suddenly they can't play their itunes music or DVD anymore then they will oppose
[01:06] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, the install, check, etc menu?
[01:06] <zyth> Minataku: cause if you don't, you're a spaz? lol
[01:06] <Skunkwaffle> whre it asks if I want to install, do a memory test, do a safe graphics install, and a bunch of stuff
[01:06] <distro-tester> couse if u get mad u make their game more minataky
[01:06] <Minataku> Eruantalon: By then it'll be law
[01:06] <distro-tester> use zen
[01:06] <underdog5004> right...ok, have you checked the disk for errors?
[01:06] <distro-tester> minataku*
[01:06] <zyth> I hate that I have to install DeCSS
[01:06] <Minataku> And it'll be far too late to do anything about it
[01:06] <zyth> I dont live in the US
[01:06] <Skunkwaffle> yeah, and I get the same message then
[01:06] <andreasw> Eruantalon: if there was an open source drm maybe it would be an alternative to closed source drm
[01:06] <zyth> I should get it with my distro
[01:07] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, what message?
[01:07] <zyth> instead due to silly US laws I have to go install it
[01:07] <zyth> :P
[01:07] <Skunkwaffle> it's a boot error or something
[01:07] <Minataku> zyth: Great example
[01:07] <underdog5004> specifically?
[01:07] <Skunkwaffle> booter error?
[01:07] <distro-tester> importat we know victory can be only dealing 50 50% till we live in a capitalistic world no hard and pure ideas can win
[01:07] <Skunkwaffle> error booting
[01:07] <Chousuke> zyth: and you're breaking the law if you install it.
[01:07] <Minataku> Screw capitalism
[01:07] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, what exactly does it say?
[01:07] <leiar> skunkwaffle: I would have tried to burn a new image..
[01:07] <zyth> Chousuke: No, I am not
[01:07] <Skunkwaffle> I don't remember
[01:07] <zyth> DeCSS is legal where I love
[01:07] <distro-tester> i know but world won't change for us so we must adapt
[01:07] <Minataku> It's outlived it's usefulness anyway
[01:07] <zyth> *live
[01:07] <andreasw> Eruantalon: I can understand why people want to protect their stuff because otherwise one person buys a music file and spreads it over the hole web via file sharing
[01:07] <distro-tester> im a socialist to
[01:08] <Minataku> Technically, DeCSS is legal HERE
[01:08] <underdog5004> Skunkwaffle, ok, try to boot again and tell me the error
[01:08] <underdog5004> I'll be here
[01:08] <Eruantalon> andreasw: Open Source DRM is an oxymoron. DRM is supposed to limit you from copying(or fast forwarding or skipping commercials) how can it be truly open source when you are not allowed to make that happen?
[01:08] <zyth> I can even download copyrighted music legally
[01:08] <Minataku> I'm not a socialist
[01:08] <Skunkwaffle> okay..
[01:08] <zyth> heh.
[01:08] <Minataku> I'm just not a capitalist pig
[01:08] <Chousuke> zyth: ah, I assumed you were from the US.
[01:08] <Skunkwaffle> back in a minute or 2
[01:08] <zyth> Chousuke: Canada
[01:08] <hatta> DRM is just encryption
[01:08] <distro-tester> i am that's why i use linux and ubuntu
[01:08] <zyth> I pay a tax that assumes im gonna d/l copyrighted music.
[01:08] <hatta> open source encryption is entirely possible
[01:08] <zyth> so darn it, I do.
[01:08] <zyth> lol
[01:08] <sparr> I have a new motherboard with onboard sound, intel hda realtek acl883.  "music apps" play audio of all sorts just fine, but "games" have static in the audio.  what might cause that?
[01:08] <Chousuke> downloading and DeCSS used to be legal here too
[01:08] <Minataku> Open source encryption has been done
[01:08] <distro-tester> ubuntu is the moast close to socialism and humanity for others and linux is pure socialism
[01:08] <Chousuke> they no longer are, but no-one gives a damn about it.
[01:09] <Minataku> distro-tester: I'm not a socialist or a communist
[01:09] <Eruantalon> andreasw: You should really read Free Culture by Larry Lessig.
[01:09] <Minataku> I'm just not a capitalist
[01:09] <distro-tester> ok i am
[01:09] <tamacracka> zyth... is ffmpeg not an applet?
[01:09] <andreasw> Eruantalon: well one part of the opensource solution always has to be closed source the encrypting algorythm but the rest could be opensource
[01:09] <distro-tester> but im european so we all are here
[01:09] <Minataku> I think capitalism has gone from benefitting the consumer to working against them
[01:09] <Chousuke> andreasw: that is unacceptable.
[01:09] <distro-tester> btw socialism is the only possible solution for world jesus is the best example
[01:09] <Minataku> It's outlived it's usefulness since it's become a tool of greed and desrtuction
[01:09] <hatta> andreasw, the encryption algorithms have to be open
[01:10] <tamacracka> why am i being ignored?...
[01:10] <Chousuke> andreasw: it fights against the whole idea of Free software.
[01:10] <tamacracka> you guys were just helping me
[01:10] <hatta> the security should come from the key
[01:10] <andreasw> Chousuke: So it is that people copy music all the time and spread it all over the world ;)
[01:10] <tamacracka> and now you're all ignoring me..
[01:10] <distro-tester> some one help tamacraka
[01:10] <hatta> which is random of course
[01:10] <distro-tester> c
[01:10] <Minataku> Open source encryption is completely possible, just keep the keys closed
[01:10] <andreasw> hatta: but this is impossible with drm because if you know it you can decrypt it and it wouldn't be a drm
[01:10] <Minataku> s/the/your/
[01:10] <zyth> tamacracka: no it's command line I do believe.
[01:10] <Chousuke> er.
[01:10] <hatta> of course with drm, you have to have the key to view the file
[01:10] <andreasw> Minataku: not with drm ^^
[01:10] <hatta> so it's self defeating, yes
[01:10] <tamacracka> ok thanks you.
[01:11] <distro-tester> of course capitalism is made to defende the $ and live on the poor it's all a system that must die starting from usa governament and uk
[01:11] <Eruantalon> andreasw: Well the encryption doesn't have to be closed source. Just the key. eg pgp. BUT the problem is that if it is supposed to be modifiable that is not combinable with DRM becasue drm says you can't do theese things
[01:11] <andreasw> Minataku: because drm protecs from you normal encryption protects your files from other people not from yourself
[01:11] <Minataku> Exactly
[01:11] <Chousuke> hmm
[01:11] <Minataku> DRM is encryption to protect corporations getting their undeserved money
[01:11] <equinoxeB> can't start war3 with -opengl wine console option
[01:11] <distro-tester> but linux will change the world don't worry it's just one of the big skrewdrivers to do it
[01:11] <Chousuke> how can a decryption key be closed source? :P
[01:11] <Minataku> Normal encryption is there to protect the user, specifically his/her information from getting into the wrong hands
[01:12] <Minataku> Chousuke: Keys aren't closed source
[01:12] <Minataku> They're just something YOU keep secret
[01:12] <Chousuke> yeah
[01:12] <Skunkwaffle> I/O Error: Error reading Boot CD
[01:12] <Chousuke> but you can't keep them secret in DRM
[01:12] <distro-tester> can u tell me what i nead vs xp to see videos and rest on linux minataku just vlc?
[01:12] <zyth> Does Edgy not have a DVD install option?
[01:12] <andreasw> if you only hide the key someday this key will be found out so you have to hide the hole algo.
[01:12] <zyth> I am out of CD-Rs and need to burn a new one
[01:12] <zyth> lol
[01:12] <Minataku> distro-tester: VLC and codecs
[01:12] <Minataku> Get DeCSS, too
[01:12] <leiar> Skunkwaffle: burn a new cd..
[01:12] <distro-tester> ok where i get the codecs adept?
[01:12] <Eruantalon> andreasw: You would be able to inspect the code see what it does but if you changed it then the files wouldn't play anymore. This is what the gpl version 3 opposed
[01:13] <Minataku> !multimedia
[01:13] <ubotu> For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[01:13] <distro-tester> perfect
[01:13] <Skunkwaffle> you think that's it
[01:13] <Minataku> Hopefully Kubuntu links to all the proper codecs
[01:13] <Minataku> If it doesn't I've been looking into expanding things
[01:13] <distro-tester> 32 bit is ready but as i'ts 1 am in rome we can do all tomorrow if u here ?
[01:13] <Minataku> With the "CCCP" codec pack
[01:13] <distro-tester> for tonight ill keep 64 just to chat eheh
[01:13] <Minataku> distro-tester: Sure
[01:13] <distro-tester> i hate communism
[01:13] <hatta> andreasw, if you can't keep the key secret what makes you think you can keep the algorithm secret
[01:13] <distro-tester> im national socialist
[01:13] <distro-tester> but thanx
[01:14] <Minataku> distro-tester: Well, in this case "CCCP" is just a funny acronym
[01:14] <leiar> That's what I would have done. If your cd-player works fine, it looks like you have got a bad image
[01:14] <distro-tester> yes cool
[01:14] <Skunkwaffle> can anyone recommend a better iso burning program
[01:14] <equinoxeB> help :|. war3 is running really slow :(
[01:14] <Minataku> Something Community Codec Pack
[01:14] <andreasw> Eruantalon: well the problem is that somehow the file will be decrypted and converted into a raw stream and if this part is open you can just copy the raw stream and have a non drmed file
[01:14] <hatta> especially when you have to distribute the encryption binary that could be disassembled
[01:14] <Skunkwaffle> 'cause the one I was using was bunk
[01:14] <Minataku> I forget what the first C stands for
[01:14] <Skunkwaffle> Complete
[01:14] <distro-tester> but rember socialism is the way not communism the big zionist lie
[01:14] <Minataku> lol
[01:14] <leiar> k3b
[01:14] <Skunkwaffle> or combined
[01:14] <Minataku> Skunkwaffle: Ah, thanks
[01:14] <Minataku> Combined is it
[01:14] <andreasw> hatta: it is more difficult to hide a single key than a hole program ;)
[01:14] <hatta> huh?
[01:15] <andreasw> hatta: it is not that easy wma still isn't cracked and it now exists for some time
[01:15] <Minataku> Wait... National Socialist... isn't that Nazism?
[01:15] <distro-tester> btw some stuff they copy from us socialist of communism are cool as share every thing equal for all
[01:15] <Eruantalon> andreasw: Yes, on a more practical note DRM is impossible to maintain. It is just not possible to have copyprotection.
[01:15] <leiar> with k3b just right-click on the iso file and burn it..
[01:15] <LjL> !o4o
[01:15] <ubotu> Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu-offtopic. It is asked that controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of ones self from the planet are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows. (Please note Freenode Policy.) Thanks.
[01:15] <LjL> err, wahtever
[01:15] <LjL> anyway, offtopic
[01:15] <distro-tester> u know why i diden't choose fedora minataku?
[01:15] <leiar> skunkwawffle: apt-get install k3b
[01:15] <Minataku> Eruantalon: What they want is to make cracking it 100% illegal
[01:15] <Skunkwaffle> I'm still on XP now
[01:16] <distro-tester> couse it had pro usa and bush comunity of moastly ex usa soldiers very right wing reppublican comunity
[01:16] <Minataku> They'll track you down, sue you for every cent and toss your broke ass in jail
[01:16] <LjL> !offtopic
[01:16] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:16] <Skunkwaffle> I had a bad experience with Fedora so I switched back to Windows, but I want to get away from Microsoft once and for all
[01:16] <Minataku> LjL: It's a freight train, don't stand in front and try to stop it
[01:16] <leiar> skunkwaffle: then I can't help you, sorry..
[01:16] <distro-tester> i see over all the people then what im using couse if shit people make what u use there's no sense using it
[01:16] <LjL> i can try
[01:16] <andreasw> rofl
[01:17] <LjL> !language | distro-tester
[01:17] <ubotu> distro-tester: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:17] <Minataku> LjL: Then don't be surprised when you become a cmudge
[01:17] <Minataku> *smudge
[01:17] <Minataku> XD
[01:17] <distro-tester> i forgott ubotu sorry
[01:17] <distro-tester> ahah
[01:17] <equinoxeB> IT's wokin. Thanks very much zyth :) . my bad for the first try :)
[01:17] <LjL> i won't
[01:17] <Minataku> Sorry, I'll stop
[01:17] <LjL> now let's move on and talk about Kubuntu
[01:17] <Minataku> Sorry, all, I apologize if I upset and/or offended any of you
[01:17] <zyth> lol np.  Don't recall what you're talking about, but cool
[01:17] <leiar> skunkwaffle: ubuntu/kubuntu is quite nice.
[01:17] <LjL> i just don't want to see politics and such stuff in here, that's all
[01:17] <Eruantalon> LjL: Well it does regard software licensing...
[01:17] <Minataku> It wasn't my intention, I just get worked up
[01:17] <equinoxeB> warcaft3 :P
[01:18] <zyth> equinoxeB: ahh hehe ok
[01:18] <Skunkwaffle> okay I need to burn the iso to a dvd, can you reccomend a decent burning program that won't eff up the data
[01:18] <LjL> Eruantalon: that doesn't matter - i just gave the wrong bot factoid. that's for another channel
[01:18] <Minataku> LjL: Yeah, but there's no way to keep a group of people on topic
[01:18] <zyth> equinoxeB: sorry, swapping out the 23234823894 discs for the diablo install :P lol
[01:18] <LjL> *this* channel is just Kubuntu support
[01:18] <LjL> anyway i saw much worse than software licensing
[01:18] <zyth> Skunkwaffle: for Linux? k3b
[01:18] <Minataku> It's impossible
[01:18] <Skunkwaffle> no I'm on XP
[01:18] <distro-tester> i read m$ is putting very hard spyware as rootkits and rest to trace even dinamic ip's and make fake copy of xp users pay for all till vista is out
[01:18] <Skunkwaffle> I want to get on linux
[01:18] <malik> which one is better package manager among these three.............adept/synaptic/kpackage?
[01:18] <distro-tester> another reason i passed to kubutu
[01:18] <zyth> Skunkwaffle: CDburner XP
[01:18] <LjL> Minataku: oh, it's quite possible, though of course they'll stray once in a while. it's that it's not very strictly enforced on this channel
[01:18] <zyth> is free, works well
[01:18] <LjL> but when things are pushed...
[01:19] <zyth> www.cdburnerxp.se
[01:19] <Minataku> distro-tester: Isn't "National Socialism" Nazism? Or am I mistaken?
[01:19] <Skunkwaffle> thanks syth
[01:19] <zyth> np
[01:19] <distro-tester> yes
[01:19] <distro-tester> u right
[01:19] <Minataku> I think I'm mistaken
[01:19] <distro-tester> no no
[01:19] <distro-tester> but it's still socialism
[01:19] <distro-tester> no matter what socialist u are
[01:20] <Minataku> :P
[01:20] <zyth> argh
[01:20] <Minataku> Sorry
[01:20] <zyth> 3 year olds are annoying
[01:20] <zyth> *sigh*
[01:20] <malik> which one is better package manager among these three.............adept/synaptic/kpackage?
[01:21] <zyth> malik: personal preference, I prefer Synaptic myself
[01:21] <distro-tester> thanx
[01:21] <zyth> adept doesn't give enough info and has the unfortunate KDE tendancy to have 248374892 menu options
[01:21] <hatta> I really like aptitude
[01:21] <leiar> Anybody with wine-experience?
[01:21] <MetaBookfoziS> Riddell > ping
[01:21] <distro-tester> ok btw u know it now minataku but i usualy say socialist dosen't matter
[01:22] <distro-tester> we all here for same reason
[01:22] <Minataku> distro-tester: Ah, well, to end it, I'll say that I guess I need to read more into what's entailed in all the various names and such
[01:22] <zyth> leiar: some, what do you need?
[01:22] <leiar> I've installed a programme, edu-programme, but it crashes when I trie to move from the welcome -screen.
[01:22] <Minataku> Thanks for the info, and sorry if I upset or offended you at all
[01:22] <Minataku> sudoman!
[01:22] <Minataku> I like that, pretty clever :3
[01:23] <leiar> zyth:this is the start on the message I get: wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0xffffffff at address 0x164f:0x00000cc1 (thread 0011),
[01:23] <Minataku> Anyway, time to get back on topic, or LjL will ban us again XD
[01:23] <distro-tester> yes btw nazism is just a nationalistic version of socialism so is fascism
[01:23] <Minataku> leiar: Typical program crash
[01:23] <distro-tester> ljl is italian as me same isp
[01:23] <distro-tester> that's cool
[01:24] <Minataku> distro-tester: Ah, I didn't know any of that, thanks :)
[01:24] <DBO> ok just to be extra clear here guys
[01:24] <DBO> this channel is not for politics
[01:24] <leiar> Minataku: meaning nothing to do with it?
[01:24] <distro-tester> we can join off topic if u want btw
[01:24] <Minataku> leiar: It's probably the program doing something stupid that may or may not have worked on real Windows
[01:24] <DBO> distro-tester, ##politics
[01:25] <Minataku> We're done, DBO
[01:25] <hatta> no political flame wars here, only distro flamewars
[01:25] <Minataku> lol
[01:25] <d0dge> Is there a terminal program with support for hyperlinks?
[01:25] <equinoxeB> ahm... can I mount iso images in Kubuntu... with the mouse...? :|
[01:26] <distro-tester> i was saying if we want to chat offtopic in general but ok
[01:27] <Minataku> distro-tester: Nah, I've got it now, but thanks
[01:27] <distro-tester> i found #ubuntu-classroom this could help me learn some linux
[01:27] <flaccid> google is good to learn
[01:27] <Minataku> I'll save you the trouble, I can look it up on Wikipedia or something, I bet your fingertips hurt like mine do by now too XD
[01:28] <aegis> Alright, I'm still having problems with my linux install, but I'm convinced it's not a font problem, anyone willing to take another shot at it?
[01:28] <aegis> I made a new user named test in console, and was able to boot to my 1600x1200 desktop
[01:28] <Minataku> I'm kinda tired, too X3
[01:28] <Minataku> aegis: Is that the same problem as earlier?
[01:28] <aegis> yes
[01:29] <aegis> I am pretty sure it's an account issue with my user now
[01:29] <aegis> but I haven't a clue what I did
[01:29] <Minataku> Because others it works?
[01:29] <Minataku> It only fails for user "test"?
[01:29] <aegis> yeah, I can get to the desktop with another user
[01:29] <aegis> no, it fails for my admin account, but not test
[01:29] <aegis> it worked on the test account
[01:29] <Minataku> Hm... that's weird
[01:30] <aegis> I agree
[01:30] <Minataku> Wait
[01:30] <Minataku> "admin" as in "root"?
[01:30] <aegis> well... it's the default account made by Kubuntu
[01:30] <aegis> there is no "root" account that I can see, since I can't su
[01:30] <Minataku> Right
[01:30] <Minataku> Hm... bizarro XD
[01:30] <aegis> however I still need to enter a password if I want to make any admin-required change
[01:31] <aegis> So now my test account has no privileges whatsoever, so I can't make any changes to anything really
[01:31] <andremarte> ciao ragazzi, qualcuno saprebbe dirmi come installare la mia ge force 7600 in kubuntu?
[01:31] <aegis> and I can't su to change anything either, since I don't have him in wheel (?)
[01:32] <aegis> I can't even see my entire desktop, I have to guess where I am clicking on the start menu
[01:32] <Minataku> !it | andremarte
[01:32] <ubotu> andremarte: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:32] <Minataku> :3
[01:33] <andremarte> ok capo
[01:34] <aegis> any clue?
[01:34] <aegis> think it would work if I move a bunch of crap from my test account to my default account, and hope I overwrite something that's screwed up? =P
[01:34] <Minataku> No, no, that'll just break things
[01:35] <aegis> I managed to su to my default account in konsole lol
[01:36] <Minataku> lol
[01:36] <jordo23> Whats the easiest way to find which version of KDE you are running?
[01:36] <dope> sometimes there's a big white "X" instead of my screensaver, why is that?
[01:36] <adaptr> dope: image not found/screensaver not found :)
[01:36] <Shade> hi, how can I delete my proxy settings in my netsettings?
[01:36] <Minataku> distro-tester: I hope you're not upset that I don't want to continue, I understood what you said, and thanks for that, but I apologize if you're upset
[01:37] <dope> that's weird
[01:37] <adaptr> Shade: use administrator mode
[01:37] <dope> adaptr: cause it was workin when i left
[01:37] <aegis> What command do I use to add a user to a group able to su?
[01:37] <Minataku> aegis: I have no idea what's up, sorry >.<
[01:37] <adaptr> dope: using xscreensaver ? it does not install everything by default, Or: you don't have OpenGL
[01:37] <Shade> I did this yet bu they are still active
[01:37] <jordo23> How can I find which KDE version I am running?
[01:37] <Shade> i also deleted them in /etc/network/interfaces
[01:37] <adaptr> Shade: active where ? a proxy only influences your browser
[01:37] <Shade> no adept
[01:37] <distro-tester> mina did u ever chat whit mark Shuttleworth or knew people who did?
[01:38] <distro-tester> know*
[01:38] <distro-tester> id like to know him once even couse in time id love to support the progect
[01:38] <Minataku> distro-tester: No, I haven't, sorry
[01:38] <Nooby> Hey everyones.. Jikli here
[01:38] <adaptr> aegis: gpasswd -a <username> admin
[01:38] <Shade> adaptr: you know where i also have to delete them
[01:38] <Nooby> just installed ubuntu and using it for the first time
[01:39] <adaptr> Shade: I ave no diea what you mean by "no adept"
[01:39] <Shade> adaptr: cause i can't download in adept anymore
[01:39] <adaptr> Shade: adept == browser
[01:39] <Nooby> gotta go will be right back.. thanks bros.
[01:39] <Shade> adeptr: no package programm
[01:39] <Shade> adeptr: adept is to download packages from repositories
[01:40] <Shade> like synaptic
[01:40] <adaptr> Shade: I know what adept is - I said I haveno idea what *you* mean
[01:40] <adaptr> Shade: what did you do, exactly ?
[01:41] <dope> what does open source mean to you?
[01:41] <adaptr> dope: to whom ?
[01:41] <Shade> adaptr: i used my laptop at school, computer room with proxy and now i am at home and i can't update or download anything...
[01:41] <tiengo> ol, alguem pode me dizer qual o comando para instalar o driver da NVIDIA no kubuntu?
[01:41] <dope> anyone in here
[01:41] <adaptr> Shade: disable proxy settings, force a new lease from DHCP (or restart networking)
[01:41] <adaptr> !es | tiengo
[01:41] <ubotu> tiengo: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[01:41] <Shade> adeptr: when i use apt-get i see this: 24% [Verbinde mit 172.25.10.1 (172.25.10.1)] 
[01:42] <aegis> Alright, I managed to get admin access on my test account by sudo'ing into my default account, and then sudo'ing into root from there =P
[01:42] <adaptr> ..or !po, even
[01:42] <Shade> adeptr: how can i resteart networking
[01:42] <adaptr> aegis: don't
[01:42] <aegis> why not adaptr?
[01:42] <adaptr> Shade: sudo /etc/init.d/network restart
[01:42] <adaptr> aegis: I told you how to grant a user sudo rights
[01:43] <aegis> oh, maybe that's what I did
[01:43] <adaptr> aegis: and sudo "to" root is a bad idea
[01:43] <adaptr> aegis: no, you didn't
[01:43] <Shade> adeptr: "command not found"
[01:43] <adaptr> Shade: look around, press TAB key
[01:43] <aegis> well, regardless, I've just about had it, and might end up just wiping the virtual drive and reinstalling
[01:44] <aegis> If I do manage to sort this out, I'll just kill the test account and be done with it
[01:44] <adaptr> aegis: okay, fine
[01:49] <sparr> what program detects my sound card and decides which module to load for it?  more importantly, how can i give parameters for the module to it?
[01:49] <blanky> hey guys, where's the kde control center I can't find it in the menus, anyone, please
[01:49] <blanky> ?
[01:49] <megamaced> alsa
[01:49] <megamaced> system settings
[01:50] <blanky> megamaced: thanks, but where can I find that?
[01:50] <megamaced> it's in the K menu
[01:51] <blanky> found it thanks
[01:51] <blanky> megamaced: the kicker is the bar at the bottom of the screen right?
[01:51] <megamaced> yes
[01:53] <adaptr> blanky: the kicker is at the bottom of the screen period, not the bottom of the screen right
[01:53] <blanky> I meant right as in, "Am I right?"...
[01:53] <adaptr>  /spelling pet peeve :)
[01:53] <adaptr> blanky: that *requires* the proper use of a comma :)
[01:54] <blanky> I would have said 'bottom right of the screen'
[01:54] <blanky> :P
[01:54] <adaptr> blanky: don't worry over it, I took brutal advantage of a fortunate coincidence
[01:54] <adaptr> as I am wont to do
[01:54] <blanky> hehe
[01:54] <adaptr> channel needs lightening up sometimes
[01:55] <dope> how do you people feel about DRM?
[01:55] <flaccid> angry
[01:55] <flaccid> abused
[01:55] <flaccid> vulnerable
[01:56] <dope> so you don't like it
[01:56] <Leafw> is there any different between swap partition format for 32 and 64 bit processors?
[01:57] <aegis> Alright, I just borked my test account the same way I did my default account, now I just got to figure out how to undo it
[01:57] <aegis> I set the resolution to 1280x800, and that's what did it
[01:57] <AHinMaine> What command can I use to figure out which package installed a particular file?
[01:58] <dope> aegis: well set it back to normal then
[01:58] <zyth> yay ati drivers work
[01:58] <zyth> stupid ati.
[01:59] <animimotus> hi
[02:00] <animimotus> someone can pastebin me the resultat for a cat /etc/group |grep <youfirstuserpseudo>
[02:00] <animimotus> I just add my as sudoers :)
[02:00] <LjL> animimotus, what's wrong with just using the "admin" group for that+
[02:01] <animimotus> LjL: sudo adduser me admin ?
[02:01] <LjL> animimotus: yup
[02:01] <adaptr> animimotus: gpasswd -a username admin
[02:01] <animimotus> ok ^^
[02:01] <LjL> animimotus: sudo is configured to take any member of "admin" as a sudoer
[02:01] <LjL> at least, that's the way it's configured by default, but it works fine for me
[02:02] <adaptr> true for all *buntu
[02:02] <LjL> sure
[02:02] <adaptr> (unless ppl mess with sudoers, but why would you ?)
[02:02] <LjL> i wouldn't ;)
[02:02] <adaptr> neither, although I plan on upping the passwd timeout to an hour or so
[02:02] <AHinMaine> i messed with it.   sometimes I just don't want to get prompted for a passwd.  ;)
[02:03] <LjL> AHinMaine: use sudo -i then :)
[02:03] <adaptr> AHinMaine: ah.. you made command sets :)
[02:03] <adaptr> LjL: -i ?
[02:03] <LjL> adaptr: to use commands without getting prompted for the password even after the timeout, yes. but i see where this is heading
[02:03] <transgress> oh the kubuntu site it has a dvd iso if i look at the torrents but if i download it directly it has cd iso's... what are different on them?
[02:03] <LjL> yes, of course if one knows how to fine tune it at that level, that's quite fine
[02:04] <AHinMaine> well, sometimes running adept_manager just doesn't work for me with kdesu...  dunno why.
[02:04] <AHinMaine> sporadic.
[02:04] <animimotus> LjL: and now to restart alsa ?
[02:04] <adaptr> LjL: where ?
[02:04] <animimotus> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart ?
[02:05] <megamaced> whats the command to show the username I am responding to on IRC?
[02:05] <sparr> I have the package 'k3d' stuck in dpkg in feisty.  I cant install it, uninstall it, remove it, or purge it.  its python pre/post/config/etc scripts fail every time.  How can I get rid of it?
[02:05] <LjL> adaptr: "you made command sets"
[02:05] <animimotus> LjL: arf my kmix is like 'empty'
[02:05] <transgress> how stable is feisty these days?
[02:06] <LjL> animimotus: are you on a user other than the first user created now?
[02:06] <LjL> animimotus: if so, add it to group "audio"
[02:06] <animimotus> cause I have lost my sudoes privileg I suppose
[02:06] <LjL> no
[02:06] <LjL> no need to be an admin to use audio - you need to be a member of audio
[02:06] <LjL> these are my memberships
[02:06] <LjL> ljl adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip www-data video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[02:06] <animimotus> $ cat /etc/group |grep audio
[02:06] <animimotus> audio:x:29:
[02:07] <swami> hi all..i have the following pr:i've installed ktorrent but every torrent i open gets the stalled status
[02:07] <LjL> animimotus, you aren't in that group then
[02:07] <LjL> adduser yourself audio
[02:07] <swami> hi all..i have the following pr:i've installed ktorrent but every torrent i open gets the stalled status
[02:08] <swami> :D
[02:08] <AHinMaine> animimotus: just type 'groups <your_username>' to get an accurate list of your group membership...
[02:08] <LjL> swami: that's quite normal for a while
[02:08] <LjL> you should wait a couple of minutes at least i guess
[02:08] <LjL> AHinMaine: or "groups" even, if you're using that user
[02:08] <AHinMaine> yep
[02:08] <swami> well...
[02:09] <swami> waht about 6 hours
[02:09] <swami> :))
[02:09] <larson999> ok, this router doesn't show me the ipaddresses of the machines connected to it.  how to i find that out without going to them all?
[02:09] <swami> cause thats;s the time i give it
[02:09] <animimotus> LjL: I'm now in audio group but kmix is always inreachable
[02:09] <swami> and nothing..
[02:09] <animimotus> * unreachable ^^
[02:09] <LjL> swami: have you tried with a known-good torrent, like the Ubuntu ISO torrent?
[02:09] <LjL> animimotus: try restarting X i guess
[02:09] <swami> hmmm
[02:09] <swami> nop
[02:09] <AHinMaine> animimotus: if you just added yourself to that group, you'll have to relog in
[02:09] <swami> it's good?
[02:10] <animimotus> quit the current session ?
[02:10] <AHinMaine> ya
[02:10] <animimotus> ok
[02:10] <animimotus> should I add me to another group before ? (in one line command ?)
[02:10] <adaptr> LjL: I was just curious which commands you would group to not require a password...
[02:11] <AHinMaine> well, i'm in the following groups by default:   aharrison adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[02:11] <LjL> adaptr: myself? not sure. probably none.
[02:11] <AHinMaine> i just installed kubuntu 6.10 the other day and I haven't messed with my group membership at all.
[02:11] <adaptr> LjL: okay, but -i enables you to bypass the timeout ? that's.. pretty effing insecure !
[02:12] <LjL> adaptr, no it doesn't bypass anyway, it just gives you a root login
[02:12] <LjL> until you type "exit" you're then root
[02:12] <LjL> s/anyway/anything/
[02:12] <animimotus> AHinMaine: thx
[02:13] <LjL> of course anyway one could make the timeout longer
[02:13] <AHinMaine> -i is basically the equiv of doing 'su -'
[02:13] <adaptr> LjL: I just did, yeah
[02:13] <animimotus> sudo adduser <myuser> adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin ?
[02:13] <zyth> Is there anything like Daemon tools for linux?
[02:14] <zyth> that can mount cd images as readable dirs
[02:14] <zyth> (non iso, I know how to mount an iso)
[02:14] <transgress> is there a page somewhere i can view the status of feisty?
[02:14] <adaptr> animimotus: I would be very much surprised if that did anything...
[02:14] <adaptr> !feisty
[02:14] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:14] <LjL> zyth: uh... what is a CD image if not an "ISO"?
[02:15] <LjL> an "ISO" generally *is* the dd dump of a /dev/cdrom
[02:15] <AHinMaine> animimotus: i think it's 'usermod -G <groups' that you want.  check the man page, that's just off the top of my head...
[02:15] <zyth> LjL: .ccd (windows clonecd)
[02:15] <adaptr> LjL: erm.. not a dump, as that would include the error correction code, I think
[02:15] <zyth> or .nrg (nero cd image)
[02:15] <zyth> crap like that
[02:15] <LjL> adaptr: i think it's a dump of what you get from /dev/cdrom
[02:15] <LjL> adaptr: which doesn't mean it's actually a dump *of* the CD
[02:15] <adaptr> animimotus: I told you before: sudo gpasswd -a <username> admin
[02:16] <LjL> zyth: .nrg is just a renamed (and slightly customized perhaps, but i don't think) ISO
[02:16] <animimotus> ok
[02:16] <LjL> zyth: as for CCD, i'm not sure that's a format that is very well supported by anything under Linux
[02:16] <zyth> yeah... lol
[02:16] <zyth> thats my current issue ;)
[02:16] <adaptr> LjL: it's not readable by a straight ISO app, funky headers or summin
[02:16] <Eruantalon> zyth: there is
[02:16] <LjL> i can't quite even find a program to *convert* that to ISO
[02:16] <zyth> Eruantalon: what ?
[02:16] <Eruantalon> qemu i think it is called
[02:16] <Eruantalon> What a minute
[02:17] <LjL> ...
[02:17] <adaptr> LjL: if you have wine set up, ultraISO can convert anything to anything :)
[02:17] <zyth> ahh good idea adaptr
[02:17] <animimotus> adaptr: I had restart in recovery mode and lauch a visudo yet
[02:17] <LjL> adaptr: pssss
[02:17] <adaptr> animimotus: not a clue what you mean
[02:17] <endo602> anyone know of a good program to shrink dvdz from 7gb to 4.5gb?
[02:17] <transgress> thanks adaptr
[02:17] <adaptr> LjL: sorry, reccommending WIntendo software, I know...
[02:17] <endo602> i used k9copy and it didnt do the trick
[02:18] <Eruantalon> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software
[02:18] <adaptr> endo602: there's one in add/remove...
[02:18] <zyth> endo602: worked for me just fine for Snakes on a Plane
[02:18] <zyth> I had to ah.. create a back up...
[02:18] <zyth> ;)
[02:18] <blanky> hey guys I can't have different wallpapers for different desktops? Desktops as in those virtual spaces things, that there's usually 4 of
[02:18] <blanky> workspaces or whatever they're called
[02:19] <Eruantalon> zyth: Qemu worked for me though not the simplest to setup
[02:19] <zyth> yea hm
[02:19] <drkm> what is the best program to use as for my ipod.. so does the stuff itunes does ?
[02:20] <endo602> how do i set it up to shrink dvdz?
[02:20] <Eruantalon> zyth: wAIT a minute i am giving you the wrong name
[02:20] <Eruantalon> http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/
[02:21] <zyth> ahh cool
[02:21] <blanky> drkm: banshee, amarok, rhythm box, gtkpod?
[02:21] <endo602> adaptr, what is the proggy called?
[02:21] <adaptr> endo602: I think you already mentioned it
[02:21] <endo602> k9copy?
[02:21] <drkm> blanky: which is most popular?
[02:21] <endo602> i dont know how to shrink something with it
[02:22] <adaptr> endo602: hmmm how hard can it be ?
[02:22] <endo602> i tried
[02:22] <zyth> whoa whoa
[02:22] <endo602> to load the dvd and just shrink but i dont know
[02:22] <zyth> k3b doesn't burn video dvds from vob files?
[02:22] <zyth> EHHHH?
[02:22] <endo602> it only shrunk the dvd iso 200 mb
[02:24] <K`zan> Can't remember what to do here, but if I am su into root and want to run something under X, I think I need something called xauth to allow root to use my X?!?  Help?
[02:24] <blanky> drkm: I like amarok
[02:25] <blanky> drkm: I dont know if it lets you put music ON it though, tray banshee or gtkpod for that
[02:25] <manchicken> K`zan: kdesu
[02:27] <K`zan> manchicken: Have to run that separately rather than just running it out of where I am :-(.
[02:27] <zyth> endo602: it automatically shrank it for me
[02:27] <manchicken> K`zan: What do you mean?
[02:27] <endo602> hmmm
[02:27] <K`zan> manchicken: can do that under gentoo, but I don't remember what I did now :-)
[02:27] <endo602> well i just pressed the dvd symbol
[02:27] <zyth> endo602: I just created an iso image
[02:27] <endo602> seeing if it works again
[02:28] <endo602> shrank?
[02:28] <zyth> yea
[02:28] <zyth> to 4.3gb
[02:28] <manchicken> K`zan: `xhost +` is what you're looking for I believe.
[02:28] <K`zan> manchicken: If I want to edit something while I am root, like: kate whatever.txt &
[02:28] <manchicken> K`zan: But I urge you to avoid running X programs as root.
[02:28] <zyth> but I screwed up and got the subtitles permanently on the screen lol
[02:28] <transgress> is there not a config page specifically for edgy and xgl+compiz(or beryl)
[02:28] <zyth> dont check the subtitles option ;)
[02:28] <K`zan> manchicken: understand, but It is handy sometimes :-).
[02:28] <zyth> transgress: there's stuff on that on ubuntuforums.org
[02:28] <drkm> blanky: thanks
[02:28] <zyth> just search
[02:28] <transgress> oh nm misread the start of this wiki
[02:29] <manchicken> K`zan: It's more handy to use a text-mode editor in those cases ;)
[02:31] <Minataku> K`zan: It's kdesu
[02:31] <Minataku> I think
[02:31] <Minataku> That'll let you run a GUI app as root in KDE
[02:32] <FreshPrince> re.. :/
[02:32] <Leafw> anyone on T60 running on 64bit ?
[02:32] <Leafw> can'tget network to work
[02:32] <zyth> I have an odd issue.  My GF has her own desktop, and we switch between them.  But if she logs off her desktop, I can't get back to mine, I have a blank screen and ctrl+alt+f7 doesnt go back to my main X session.
[02:33] <manchicken> Leafw: I thought T60s were running centrinos.
[02:33] <zyth> but if shes logged in, I can switch between ctrl+altf7 and ctrl alt f8 with no issues
[02:33] <Minataku> zyth: Let me guess, she's running X and your desktop comes in through hers
[02:33] <zyth> Minataku: no...we use the 'switch user' thing in KDE
[02:33] <Minataku> Oh
[02:33] <hnsn> kubuntu pwn
[02:33] <hnsn> etc
[02:34] <Minataku> Sorry XD
[02:34] <Leafw> manchicken : they run core 3 duo, 64-bit enabled
[02:34] <Minataku> My brain is shorted out ATM
[02:34] <zyth> core 2.
[02:34] <Minataku> X3
[02:34] <manchicken> Leafw: Not mine.
[02:34] <zyth> I am fairly sure there's no core 2 duo
[02:34] <zyth> lol
[02:34] <zyth> er core 3
[02:34] <animimotus> thx all, goodnight
[02:34] <AHinMaine> What command can I use to figure out which package installed a particular file?
[02:34] <LjL> AHinMaine: dpkg -S filename
[02:34] <manchicken> Leafw: I thought the point of having a model number like that was to have it standardized on the hardware side of things.
[02:34] <Leafw> core 2 duo, that's right
[02:35] <manchicken> Let me check
[02:35] <Leafw> manchicken: you can asklenovo ,beats me
[02:35] <Leafw> actually, I found out by accident that it was64-bit capable
[02:35] <AHinMaine> cool, thanx
[02:35] <Leafw> and so I said I'd give it a try
[02:35] <Leafw> amd64-edgy installs with acpi=off, but can't get network
[02:35] <manchicken> This T60 is work's machine.
[02:35] <manchicken> They want me to run windows, told them they'd have to give me a laptop.
[02:38] <Minataku> manchicken: I'd tell them "I use a SPARC, how can I use Windows!?" XD
[02:38] <manchicken> Okay, I got my T60 running a T2400 Intel.
[02:39] <manchicken> Minataku: They handed me the hardware and all.  heh
[02:39] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:39] <Minataku> I don't use a SPARC primarily, of course
[02:39] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.19.1-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[02:39] <manchicken> Minataku: I wouldn't install their proprietary software on my personal machines.
[02:39] <Leafw> looks like 64-bit linux for T60 is a little green, I'll stick with the 32-bitr version for a while
[02:39] <manchicken> Leafw: What processor model do you have?
[02:39] <Leafw> it's a pitty, I thought I could finally run java VM with mor than 1.6 Gb of Xmx
[02:40] <endo602> how can i log into a windows network connection?
[02:40] <endo602> via linux
[02:40] <Leafw> it's intel core2 duo T7600 2.33 Ghz
[02:40] <manchicken> On a Lenovo T60?
[02:40] <manchicken> That's just weird.
[02:40] <Leafw> that's rright
[02:40] <Leafw> fresh and new, not even a week old
[02:40] <dope> can they put drm type restrictions in mp3 files?
[02:40] <manchicken> What's the point of having model numbers?
[02:40] <manchicken> dope: iTunes does.
[02:40] <Minataku> I have a Sun SPARCstation LX puttering on just 4ft away from me ^^
[02:40] <dope> in mp3s?!@$
[02:40] <Minataku> iTunes doesn't use MP3
[02:41] <dope> oh
[02:41] <Minataku> And I don't think MP3 provides DRM capability itself
[02:41] <dope> i was about to say
[02:41] <dope> which is good :D
[02:41] <Minataku> They might be inside a DRM'd container, however
[02:41] <Minataku> Look like MP3s, act like MP3s, not really true MP3s
[02:41] <dope> hmm not good
[02:42] <megamaced> use ogg :-)
[02:42] <Minataku> I
[02:42] <manchicken> Use FLAC.
[02:42] <Minataku> Oops
[02:42] <dope> i was just thinking that :)
[02:42] <dope> will an ipod accept the ogg format?
[02:42] <Minataku> I'm partial to MP3, but mine are guaranteed all open
[02:42] <megamaced> nope
[02:42] <manchicken> dope: If you put rockbox on there it'll support FLAC.
[02:42] <dope> :/
[02:43] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/ << There's my "site"
[02:43] <megamaced> I would use ogg more often but my walkman doesn't support i t. Like most devices unfortunately
[02:43] <dope> i need to get rockbox
[02:43] <manchicken> dope: And ogg.
[02:43] <dope> i'd been meaning to check it out
[02:43] <Minataku> Which isn't as much a site as it is a place where I put my crap
[02:43] <Minataku> XD
[02:43] <manchicken> dope: http://www.rockbox.org/
[02:43] <endo602> can someone help me remote desktop to a windows machine
[02:43] <manchicken> endo602: VNC
[02:43] <endo602> besides that
[02:44] <megamaced> endo602: install tsclient
[02:44] <endo602> is there a way to use the basic windos
[02:44] <endo602> tscleint will do it?
[02:44] <megamaced> endo602: tsclient is very similar to the windows remote desktop
[02:44] <megamaced> endo602: 'sudo aptitude install tsclient'
[02:45] <endo602> i got it
[02:45] <endo602> but i log into a windows machine via that?
[02:45] <megamaced> endo602: you enter the IP address of the Windows machine and press connect
[02:45] <endo602> cool
[02:46] <dope> can rockbox brick my ipod?
[02:46] <_adaptr> !rdesktop
[02:46] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[02:46] <_adaptr> !krdp
[02:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krdp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:46] <_adaptr> hmmm
[02:47] <andreasw> how can I display the console within konqueror (forgot the key ;) )
[02:54] <Linux_Galore> andreasw: F4
[02:54] <LameBMX> andreasw, alt-F2 maybe
[02:54] <LameBMX> sorry run box lol
[02:54] <andreasw> Linux_Galore: f4 launches an extra Konsole
[02:55] <andreasw> but there is a way to display the console within the konqueror window
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> andreasw:aah yeah, you have to set ot yourself there is no default
[02:55] <Linux_Galore> andreasw:  settings -> configure shortcuts   eneter  terminal in the search box, its the second one "virtual terminal"
[02:56] <Linux_Galore> sorry Terminal Emulator
[02:56] <andreasw> Linux_Galore: ah ok thanks
[02:57] <Linux_Galore> andreasw: I set mine to alt t
[02:57] <andreasw> f8 ^^
[02:57] <Linux_Galore> as in alternate terminal  heh heh
[02:57] <andreasw> yep
[02:58] <andreasw> it is really usefull if you need a console of your currect path
[02:58] <andreasw> and don't want an extra window
[02:58] <andreasw> I think people could write a hole book about konqueror and what you can do with it ;)
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> yeah, konqueror really needs a big assed "Hacking Konqueror" book
[02:59] <Linux_Galore> or even a Hacking KDE  book
[03:00] <andreasw> Konqueror is superior to nautilus in my opinion
[03:00] <nixternal> heh, perfect timing maybe. how can I disable the "store login information" popup in Konqueror after typing in a password in a website?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> like today I found a plugin for digikam that allows you to do super fast full screen slide shows
[03:00] <nixternal> I can't remember, it has been a long time
[03:00] <Leafw> once I make changes to the /boot/grub/menu.lst, how do they get updated?
[03:00] <Leafw> is it like yaboot, that I have to cann ybin first to update the boot menu?
[03:00] <Linux_Galore> you can now use digikam as a presentation tool that to that
[03:01] <Linux_Galore> s/that/thanks/
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> Digicam Fast Image Viewer Plugin -> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=52276&PHPSESSID=6fe108b1e659dfbd5336205d1c2fd057
[03:02] <Linux_Galore> oops Digikam *
[03:04] <_adaptr> your nick is ananagram of lunix_al_gore :)
[03:07] <ubuntu> d
[03:08] <Leafw> how can I change from which partition is grub reading the /boot/grub/menu.lst ? Now it's reading from sda6, and I need it to read from sda5
[03:08] <Leafw> grub is in the MBr so it needs to be updated, how? I know yaboot, not grub, does it work the  same way? needs an update with sudo somehow?
[03:08] <ubuntu> can anyone tell me why cant i choose reiserfs?
[03:09] <andreasw> ubuntu because qtparted doesn't support it well so it has been deactivated
[03:09] <soulrider> hi
[03:09] <ubuntu> damn..
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> Leafw: in actual fact "part" of grub exists in the mbr,  just the pointer for were grub really resides
[03:10] <andreasw> ubuntu, you could try to manually create a reiserfs partition in console
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> Leafw: basically you will have to chroot the partition were the new version of gurb resides the run the grub-install   tool again
[03:10] <Leafw> Linux_Galore: so that is what I need t o change: from /dev/sda6 to /dev/sda5
[03:11] <Leafw> ok, thank you
[03:11] <Linux_Galore> then*
[03:13] <ubuntu> and from the available fs on the installation which one would uu reccomend. i know ext3 is a bit slow, xfs is for large files, and jfs is unmantained.... so...
[03:14] <Leafw> the grub-install tool is what I was missing .. that is all! thanks
[03:14] <Leafw> thanks Linux_Galore
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu  actually  ext3 that we use today is not the original version, its been hacked allot recently
[03:14] <ubuntu> ok
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu its allot faster and more stable these days
[03:15] <ubuntu> hmm
[03:15] <ubuntu> then ill ext3 to experiemnt
[03:15] <ubuntu> thanks a lot
[03:15] <ubuntu> bye
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu some of the more recent bench marks are showing ext3 to be rather fast and not cery cpu intensive
[03:15] <ubuntu__> Ahh Kubuntu is the best
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> not so*
[03:15] <ubuntu__> :)
[03:16] <Minataku> ext3 is the top choice
[03:16] <Minataku> reiser3 is also good, but I think ext3 is probably the best to pick
[03:16] <Minataku> At least until Sun gives Linux ZFS
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> yeah, ext3 a few years ago was rubbish, my personal tests on the more recent releases have shown it to be allot better
[03:16] <ubuntu__> yeah ext3 seems to work best for me
[03:17] <exobuzz> reiser3 is dangeous.
[03:17] <ubuntu__> Is it possible to run win32 apps on Linux without Wine?
[03:17] <Minataku> No, Reiser4 is dangerous
[03:17] <exobuzz> reiser4 is also dangerous
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> reiserfs is very good but it has a "HUGE" cpu overhead
[03:17] <Minataku> Reiser3 is nice and stable
[03:17] <LjL> !virtualizers | ubuntu__
[03:17] <ubotu> ubuntu__: There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[03:17] <Leafw> hum, grub-install didn't update the MBR
[03:17] <Leafw> I don't get it
[03:17] <exobuzz> tell that to my reiser3 partition which broke
[03:17] <_adaptr> Leafw: what did it say ?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> Leafw: you have to run the version on the chrooted directory
[03:18] <exobuzz> the resier3 fsck put a zillion files in lost and found.. most of the aprtition really. after a powercut.
[03:18] <exobuzz> not nice.
[03:18] <Thehound666> how would I transfer files over ssh?
[03:18] <ubuntu__> Thx in advance
[03:18] <Thehound666> heard it's easily done
[03:18] <Minataku> exobuzz: Did you have reiserfs images on the partitions?
[03:18] <Minataku> If you did, that's why
[03:18] <exobuzz> scp file user@server:path
[03:18] <Minataku> It doesn't quite deal well with that
[03:19] <exobuzz> Minataku: no. but i know about that. and you just said it was stable
[03:19] <Leafw> it said: No error reported. but it prints (hd0) /dev/sda  (my partiton which contains all logical partitons)
[03:19] <Thehound666> file include full path also I assume
[03:19] <ubuntu__> Can anyone recommend which Win32 application emulator is most newbie friendly?
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: a few ways ,  either use   konqueror  with   fish://ip_number  or  scp  filename   user@ip_number
[03:19] <Minataku> It is stable, but it has known issues that you can avoid
[03:19] <Leafw> Linux_Galore : it does not print /dev/sda5 as I expected
[03:19] <Minataku> No fs is perfect
[03:19] <ubuntu__> !WINE
[03:19] <exobuzz> Minataku: no but there are a few a darn sight more realiable than reiser3
[03:19] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[03:20] <Thehound666> woohoo through GUI
[03:20] <exobuzz> Minataku: im running jfs on my fileserver.
[03:20] <Leafw> Linux_Galore : I am booted in the proper /dev/sda5, so I (think) I don't need to chroot to it since the /boot/grub/menu.lst is the one I want
[03:21] <exobuzz> Minataku: oh and the mount time for reiserfs on large partitions is too long
[03:22] <ubuntu__> Can anyone recommend which Win32 application emulator is most newbie friendly?
[03:22] <LjL> ubuntu__: WINE
[03:22] <ubuntu__> kk
[03:22] <LjL> ubuntu__: for the others, except Cedega, you will have to install a copy of Windows itself
[03:22] <ubuntu__> I'll be sure to check it out
[03:23] <LjL> and Cedega is non free
[03:23] <ubuntu__> LjL anything is free
[03:23] <ubuntu__> Especially on the internet
[03:23] <LjL> ubuntu__: not quite.
[03:23] <CyanNET> How so?
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> Leafw:  so your booting from a floppy ?
[03:24] <Leafw> Linux_Galore : ok done, I was giving /dev/sda5 and I had t ogive simply /dev/sda, that makes it (but grub was not complaining)
[03:24] <exobuzz> if you want good office compatibiltiy and all packaged ready for you. you could get crossover ofice also.  there are some configs out thre for wine to make it easier to install certain programs also
[03:24] <CyanNET> I mainly want to run games
[03:24] <Thehound666> woohoo works a treat thanks Linux_Galore
[03:24] <exobuzz> like sidenet for wine http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html
[03:24] <CyanNET> Such as Diablo II and Starcraft
[03:24] <Thehound666> you guys rule
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> Leafw: ok
[03:24] <exobuzz> for games the best option is cedega. but it cost a bit of money
[03:25] <CyanNET> Ok
[03:25] <LjL> you can always compile it from source
[03:25] <LjL> they allow that
[03:25] <CyanNET> Sidenet says it's discontinued
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> Leafw:   quick mbr lesson here "partitions also have there own variant of a mbr"  gurb was basically editing that
[03:25] <LjL> just some parts are left out of the source - not entirely sure which. things that allow running some games that have copy protections, i think
[03:25] <exobuzz> LjL: but then you dont get some proprietory stuff thats not in their source tree though.. which is needed for some games to work i believe
[03:25] <LjL> cedega is discontinued?
[03:25] <Linux_Galore> grub*
[03:25] <CyanNET> no
[03:25] <CyanNET> Sideneyt
[03:26] <CyanNET> Sidenet*
[03:26] <LjL> oh nevermind
[03:26] <Leafw> Linux_Galore : i see, for sda5, but not for the whole drive
[03:26] <Leafw> thanks
[03:26] <Thehound666> I want to try cedega, is it expensive?
[03:26] <exobuzz> no. you subscribe for like 3 months. a few pounds a month
[03:26] <exobuzz> you can unsubscribe at any point after..
[03:26] <CyanNET> Bah. I'll get it for free
[03:26] <Linux_Galore> Leafw:  yeah the mbr for that drive has no partition number
[03:26] <Minataku> Back, sorry, had to attend to my SPARCstation LX
[03:26] <exobuzz> but then you dont get updates
[03:27] <CyanNET> Everything is possible
[03:27] <Minataku> exobuzz: I'm not saying it's the best, I'm just saying it's not bad
[03:27] <Thehound666> but you get to keep it
[03:27] <Thehound666> not bad
[03:27] <exobuzz> i subscribed fora  while, until i realised than ATI were never going to fix their bad drivers
[03:27] <Thehound666> if version you have plays what you want
[03:27] <CyanNET> lol
[03:27] <Minataku> Me, I plan sooner or later to switch my reiserfs partitions to ext3 XD
[03:27] <Thehound666> ext3 is great for most cases
[03:27] <Thehound666> but sucks in VMWare
[03:28] <exobuzz> Minataku: i got bored waiting for reiser to mount my 1.1tb partition.. that got it removed from my list.
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> Leafw: wait till you start learning about hard dirives heh heh, you head will explode, you know all the stuff you read about cylinders and heads, it total rubbish, its all virtualised to keep the bios happy, in reality the physical stuff it totally different
[03:28] <Minataku> exobuzz: Holy crap
[03:28] <Minataku> Needless to say, most people aren't going to have partitions like that
[03:28] <exobuzz> wait a couple of years
[03:28] <Thehound666> if you choose to have a Kubuntu ext3 VMWare disk, save yourself alot of trouble and use physical disk
[03:28] <exobuzz> ipods will be 1.1tb in a few years :)
[03:28] <Thehound666> :)
[03:28] <exobuzz> at least :D
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> exobuzz: 100Gb 1.8 drives are out
[03:29] <CyanNET> I got a 4Gb Nano for 75$
[03:29] <CyanNET> lol
[03:29] <exobuzz> Linux_Galore: see. not far off already :-)
[03:29] <Eruantalon> This is just ridiculous! kwin chrashed on my therby locking my focus and preventing my from restarting it using alt+f2 or a konsole. I had to run firefox copy paste the letters k w i n and a newline into a terminal to get my computer back! Damn. There has got to be a better way...
[03:29] <Minataku> Uh oh... I think I found the problem with the SPARCstation LX... it's got a slightly damaged HDD, I think
[03:29] <Linux_Galore> exobuzz: flash though has a better density
[03:29] <Minataku> >.<
[03:30] <exobuzz> Linux_Galore: flash will overtake hd's at some stage im sure... i guess we will ahve hybrids first
[03:30] <exobuzz> there are a few on the market already actually
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> within 10 years flash will take over the job of a hardisk for most people
[03:30] <Minataku> Flash has the issue of limited write cycles, though with proper management cycles of 20M are possible
[03:30] <Minataku> What looks good for the future is MRAM
[03:30] <slyfox> Anyone here knwos how to use mobile phone tools ?
[03:30] <NeoFax> Hello everyone!  I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.19 w/ beyond patchset.  How do I go about compiling the linux-restricted-modules for this kernel?
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> exobuzz: you can already buy laptops with 100% flash hardisks
[03:30] <exobuzz> i have a computer from 1968 with mram :)
[03:30] <Minataku> Which is a step forward on a technology from long back
[03:31] <exobuzz> well. magnetic based memory anyway :)
[03:31] <Linux_Galore> exobuzz: 64Gb flash drives are on sale
[03:31] <exobuzz> Linux_Galore: ideal for laptop yeh
[03:31] <dope> would sudo umount /media/ipod unmount an ipod?
[03:31] <dope> or is it sudo umount /dev/sdc2
[03:32] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: I find scp faster than the konqueror  fish://  thing
[03:32] <NeoFax> dope: It depends if that is in your fstab
[03:32] <Thehound666> getting about 120 KB/sec
[03:32] <dope> crap
[03:32] <Thehound666> that's max for the line the machine is on
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666:   sftp://  will also work on konquror
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> in*
[03:33] <Thehound666> what's different on sftp?
[03:33] <Thehound666> from fish
[03:33] <NeoFax> dope: If the drive shows as /dev/sdc2, you can always umount it that way.  If it is in your fstab, you can also umount it by just stating the normal mount point as well.
[03:33] <dope> ah ok
[03:33] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666:   fish looks for samba etc  sftp:// goes straight to the heart of it
[03:33] <dope> so both ways work
[03:34] <NeoFax> dope: Yes, but the actual drive is better and safer IMO.
[03:34] <dope> so umount /dev/sdc2 ?
[03:35] <NeoFax> You may need to be sudo to umount, unless umount is setuid.
[03:35] <Thehound666> I have 1 static, 1 very dynamic
[03:35] <Thehound666> but ssh to both machines
[03:35] <Thehound666> <3 ssh
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: I love ssh,  admins best buddy,  way more stable than the virtual stuff in windows that drops out when you dont want it to
[03:36] <Theory> ssh + screen
[03:36] <Theory> is very nice :-0
[03:36] <Thehound666> I have rtorrent setup on both machines to torrent from school that doesn't allow torrenting without actually torrenting
[03:37] <Thehound666> I just ssh to my machines back at home
[03:37] <Thehound666> they do the downloading/seeding
[03:37] <Thehound666> :)
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: you can get a free account on the web that has bittorent available so you dont have to do all that crap
[03:38] <foxbunny> hi, all
[03:38] <Thehound666> well only decent free shell host I know is silenceisdefeat and I don't think they allow that
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: no there is a free one with bittorrent
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> see if i can find the url
[03:39] <slyfox> Anyone here knwos how to use mobile phone tools ?
[03:40] <foxbunny> does anyone know of an up2date repo with Inkscape packages?
[03:40] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: like what ?
[03:41] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: I just want to know how to connect my phone so that I can access my address book and manage it and sms. So far I can only access my phone via bluetooth to browse files, that is it, I am stuck beyond that.
[03:42] <foxbunny> slyfox: I don't use my phone in such a way, so I don't know much... but maybe Kontact has something?
[03:43] <slyfox> foxbunny: how do you use your phone? I jut want to be able to sync my contacts
[03:43] <cpk1> has anyone tried using a vcast phone on their box?
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: kombiletools
[03:44] <foxbunny> slyfox: heheh, well... I just dial a number or send an SMS... :)
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> oops  kmobiletools
[03:44] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: kmobiletools - exactly that is what I cannot figure out how to use - how do I enter the device location for it?
[03:45] <cpk1> is kubuntu supposed to be able to recognize any phone you plug into a usb port?
[03:45] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: I see my phone services here: sdp://z520a/   but kmobiletools tells me to open some local file when I try to choose the device
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: dont know, never tried it
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: I use an ipod for my contacts
[03:46] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: you do not have a cell phone ?
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: yes, but Ive never used my mobile as my main contacts setup
[03:46] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: also my mobile has a habbit of getting a flat battery when I need it
[03:47] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: Dude, you are strange :-) You use cell phone to call contacts, not ipod
[03:47] <NDPowerBook> Looks like he'll be one of the first iPhone buyers. ;-)
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> slyfox: the screen on my mobile is small too, very hard to read
[03:48] <slyfox> Thsi is also a choice, but I have to pay for internet https://zyb.com/
[03:48] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: get a better phone :-)
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> well Im thinking of getting a Treo850
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> thats works with Linux
[03:48] <smaggard> im getting a xbox360
[03:49] <smaggard> wait no.. those are gay nvm lol
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: got one of those already
[03:49] <slyfox> smaggard: get Wii, screw xbox
[03:49] <smaggard> ah wii has too many controller flaws
[03:49] <slyfox> Linux_Galore: what would you use for treo? kmobiletools or what ?
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: I use it mainly as a front end to my file server to play videos
[03:49] <smaggard> kewl
[03:49] <slyfox> smaggard: flaws? I have a Wii and it is all good
[03:50] <Linux_Galore> wii is pretty cool
[03:50] <smaggard> nah they have problems with the motion
[03:50] <smaggard> i mean its ok but not great
[03:50] <Linux_Galore> xbox is just a bit more flexible
[03:50] <Thehound666> love my Wii
[03:50] <smaggard> when the wii2 comes out they will have all that fixed
[03:50] <slyfox> Wii rules :-)
[03:50] <Thehound666> wouldn't even consider a 360
[03:51] <slyfox> I want Wii Boxing online :-)
[03:51] <NDPTAL85> I have a Treo 700p but I sync it with my Macs.
[03:51] <smaggard> 360 = good graphics on those 3 good games they have for it...
[03:51] <Linux_Galore> well I got the xbox360 second hand so i cant complain, I paid less that a new wii
[03:51] <Thehound666> and I only know of 2 good games, both available on pc
[03:51] <smaggard> o my bad.. 2
[03:52] <Thehound666> FFXI and Oblivion?
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> also the xbox will support HD-DV
[03:52] <smaggard> xbox is also gay
[03:52] <smaggard> lol
[03:52] <Minataku> HD-DVD, aka the non-retarded cousin of BluRay
[03:52] <smaggard> ps3 is where its at
[03:52] <Minataku> smaggard: Not at all. EVERYONE hates the PS3
[03:52] <smaggard> i love mines
[03:53] <Minataku> Devs REALLY hate the thing
[03:53] <Thehound666> might consider ps3 if it drops by about 200 pounds or so
[03:53] <smaggard> i guess thats why they are selling more ps3s than xbox360s
[03:53] <Minataku> Gabe Newell said it's a total piece of crap
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> BlueRay is still born, Sony has banned all pr0n from the format,  thats the best way to kill "any" format
[03:53] <Minataku> smaggard: They're not
[03:53] <smaggard> yup
[03:53] <smaggard> they are
[03:53] <Thehound666> lol
[03:53] <smaggard> google it and get back to me :P
[03:53] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: You're joking, they banned porn from ti?
[03:53] <Thehound666> porn made the internet mainstream
[03:53] <Thehound666> hahaha
[03:53] <LordOllie> why don't screen savers on my system?
[03:53] <smaggard> how can blue ray survive without pro
[03:53] <Minataku> mv smaggard /dev/null
[03:53] <smaggard> pr0n
[03:53] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: yep, they did the same stupid thing with betamax licenseing
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> if you want pr0n dont get BlueRay
[03:54] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: rofl, I love seeing stupid companies f?ck themselves
[03:54] <Minataku> And Sony does it again :D
[03:54] <smaggard> do they have blueray burners yet?
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: yep
[03:54] <smaggard> sweet
[03:54] <LordOllie> Mina: you won't see them fuck themselves on bluray ;-)
[03:55] <Minataku> BTW: Toshiba developed an HD-DVD with 51GB of storage
[03:55] <smaggard> blueray burners will have the same lifespan as those zip drives lol
[03:55] <Thehound666> they just did if they banned porn
[03:55] <Minataku> So BluRay is toasted twice now :D
[03:55] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: the problem is if you want to use the security stuff for your video's you need to get a license, Sony wont license any pr0n
[03:55] <smaggard> 2 strikes
[03:55] <Minataku> Not to mention that BluRay players cost USD750
[03:55] <LordOllie> who puts security on porn?
[03:55] <Minataku> Third strike and you're outta here
[03:55] <smaggard> and im guessing the 3rd stike/out is the cost
[03:55] <Thehound666> 3 strikes
[03:56] <Thehound666> and a 4th for the damn cheaters sony
[03:56] <Thehound666> media prices
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> yeah, the XBOX350  USB HD-DVD drive will plug straight into your PC and "just work"
[03:56] <Thehound666> anyone check blank media?
[03:56] <coreymon77> dont bother with any of the new formats
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> and costs under US$200
[03:56] <Minataku> smaggard: The PS3 is a vehicle for BluRay acceptance
[03:56] <coreymon77> its not worth it yet
[03:56] <Minataku> It's not a game system
[03:56] <Minataku> And that's where they really f?cked up
[03:56] <Minataku> Because not only did they screw themselves in one place, they did it in two places
[03:56] <coreymon77> pretty soon
[03:56] <LordOllie> Mina: is your u key broke?
[03:56] <coreymon77> there will either be a huge format wars
[03:57] <Minataku> The PS3 and BluRay is Sony's last fall from grace.
[03:57] <coreymon77> like what happened with beta and vhs
[03:57] <Thehound666> well used as a gaming console, the bluray could only help it for game sizes, but...
[03:57] <Minataku> LordOllie: No, there's just no swearing in here
[03:57] <smaggard> does the 360 have builtin internet web browsing?
[03:57] <coreymon77> and one of them will die out
[03:57] <Thehound666> it won't get bluray as the video standard
[03:57] <coreymon77> or players will be made that support both
[03:57] <Minataku> smaggard: The Wii does
[03:57] <smaggard> the ps3 is more a computer than anything
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> yeah, the PS3 will be used as an example in schools why never to shove technology into an product unless the price and market conditions are right
[03:57] <Munchkinguy> I'm having touble with my ES1688 AudioDrive sound card.
[03:57] <coreymon77> no
[03:57] <smaggard> and it runs linux outta the box
[03:57] <coreymon77> thats the xbox
[03:57] <Thehound666> M$ made sure of that
[03:57] <LordOllie> is there a list?
[03:57] <Thehound666> by offering HF-DVD support
[03:57] <Munchkinguy> No sound. What do I do?
[03:57] <Minataku> smaggard: A formality, and a dangerous view of things to come
[03:58] <Thehound666> HD-DVD*
[03:58] <Minataku> The possibility of all computers going blackbox
[03:58] <smaggard> munchkinguy> I cant hear you what?
[03:58] <Minataku> smaggard: lol
[03:58] <LordOllie> Munch: add speakers
[03:58] <Minataku> XD
[03:58] <smaggard> hehe
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> yeah, you can mount the HD-DVD drive from an xbox360 in Windows and I heard it works in Linux
[03:58] <Minataku> Munchkinguy: Seriously, though, what's up?
[03:58] <Thehound666> so you got M$ as a vehicle for HD-DVD and Sony for bluray
[03:58] <smaggard> actually no i dont have a wii, 360 or ps3...im 2 busy lol
[03:58] <Thehound666> they just screwed eachother
[03:58] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: It's just an external SATA HD-DVD drive
[03:59] <Minataku> It plugs into the SATA port on the back of the 360
[03:59] <coreymon77> i dont have any of the 3 for a few reason
[03:59] <coreymon77> s
[03:59] <Munchkinguy> Minataku: I'm having touble with my ES1688 AudioDrive sound card.
[03:59] <coreymon77> the only one i would ever want to get is the wii
[03:59] <coreymon77> and right now
[03:59] <Minataku> As much as I hate Microsoft (and that's a lot), I love my XBox 360
[03:59] <smaggard> ps3 = too expensive, 360 = gay MS, wii... just havent picked 1 up yet
[03:59] <coreymon77> you cant find one anywhere
[03:59] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: true,  why would you pay mega $$$ for a BlueRay player when a XBOX360 HD-DVD drive is so much cheaper
[03:59] <Thehound666> if you never get sick of FPS, xbox is fine
[03:59] <Thehound666> otherwise, look elsewhere
[03:59] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: And I can use it on any SATA-enabled PC
[04:00] <coreymon77> the wii is impossible to find right now
[04:00] <smaggard> the wii is so much fun
[04:00] <hagabaka> i hate FPS...
[04:00] <coreymon77> in a little while
[04:00] <Munchkinguy> Minataku: It is not detected
[04:00] <coreymon77> the insane wii craze will die down
[04:00] <coreymon77> they wont be impossible to get
[04:00] <smaggard> nah
[04:00] <hagabaka> does 360 have more variety?
[04:00] <coreymon77> and that is when i will get mine
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> I might wait a bit for the series II of the wii I layed one at a friends and it does have a few issues
[04:00] <Thehound666> me too hagabaka but for a few
[04:00] <Thehound666> very few
[04:00] <Minataku> PS3s don't really exist on the other end of the spectrum
[04:00] <Linux_Galore> played*
[04:00] <Minataku> They're just illusions
[04:01] <Minataku> Truth is that Sony never manufactured ANY
[04:01] <hagabaka> i've been playing SNES and GBA games on my friend's modded XBox though :p
[04:01] <Minataku> The ones that "exist" are a feindishly clever illusion
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> PS3 is more a geek media centre that can play a few games than a real games console
[04:01] <Thehound666> nice.
[04:01] <Minataku> Since no dev in their right mind wants to touch the PS3
[04:01] <Thehound666> I just do it under windoze
[04:01] <smaggard> ps3 is def loaded with extras
[04:01] <Thehound666> it does have some good uses
[04:01] <Thehound666> I do have the consoles
[04:01] <Thehound666> but pc is more convenient
[04:02] <Minataku> The PS3 is really just a dumping ground for broken Cell processors
[04:02] <smaggard> but at what price and why  not just spend $500 on a computer
[04:02] <Thehound666> lol
[04:02] <Minataku> Any Cell off the line that doesn't work 100% goes into a PS3
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> the only thing I like about the PS3 is in the new software update there is an option in the service menu to download an install another OS via the web
[04:02] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: It's just there to trick us into complacency
[04:02] <Minataku> We think we're all completely safe and happy then BAM
[04:02] <smaggard> yeah thats pretty neat
[04:02] <coreymon77> Linux_Galore: new os? you mean you could stick kubuntu onto one of those?
[04:02] <smaggard> and its "linux compatible
[04:02] <smaggard> "
[04:02] <Minataku> The rug is pulled out from under our feet
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: you can laready, they are just making it easier
[04:03] <Thehound666> ps2 is also, only bottleneck is ps2's RAM
[04:03] <Minataku> And suddenly they turn on the secret features of the PS3
[04:03] <smaggard> yeah its actually a "supported" thing now
[04:03] <Thehound666> Sony did good there
[04:03] <coreymon77> you mean that they officially support you doing it
[04:03] <Minataku> And we're not allowed to do anything
[04:03] <coreymon77> like its not modding anymore
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: you can expand the ram via the USB2 port
[04:03] <Minataku> DON'T BUY INTO BLACK BOX HARDWARE LIKE THAT
[04:03] <smaggard> right
[04:04] <Thehound666> all you needed was a kit consisting of an HDD and a boot disc for ps2
[04:04] <Minataku> As expandable and free as they want you to think it is... IT IS NOT
[04:04] <smaggard> doesnt void warranty blah blah
[04:04] <Thehound666> not really modding
[04:04] <smaggard> i think its an option in a menu to install/download redhat or something
[04:04] <smaggard> fedora core i mean
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> coreymon77: yes Sony officially support putting Linux on the XBOX360, the only complaint people had was you couldnt do it over the web, come april thats fixed
[04:04] <coreymon77> you mean ps3
[04:04] <Thehound666> Kubuntu>Fedora
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> sorry PS3
[04:05] <smaggard> yeah
[04:05] <smaggard> fedora blows
[04:05] <Thehound666> Fedora's bloat is getting out of hand
[04:05] <smaggard> simple things have become complicated
[04:05] <Minataku> As expandable and free as they want you to think it is... IT IS NOT!!!
[04:05] <Linux_Galore> never know, the PS3 may be a sleeper
[04:05] <smaggard> yeah i still dont see my shelling out that kinda dough for a game console lol
[04:06] <smaggard> but it seems extremely capable of lots of "stuff"
[04:06] <Thehound666> it will drop inevitable
[04:06] <Thehound666> you remember what 3DO fell to
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> I will grab a PS3 when I can get one second hand maybe in a year or so, use it as a media centre
[04:06] <coreymon77> the only thing i see me shelling out dough for is a wii
[04:06] <Thehound666> less than 1/3 price
[04:06] <coreymon77> once i can finally find one
[04:06] <Minataku> Their big failure was using it as a vehicle to push their latest failure format called BluRay
[04:06] <Thehound666> before it died
[04:06] <smaggard> lol
[04:06] <Minataku> If they didn't do that, it may have succeeded
[04:06] <smaggard> latest failure format haha
[04:06] <Linux_Galore> yeah, you can run Linux on a wii
[04:06] <Minataku> But all they did was f?ck themselves double
[04:07] <smaggard> what are the problems with blueray besides price/rarity
[04:07] <Minataku> Since now not only are they gonna lose a ton of money on BluRay's failure
[04:07] <smaggard> i mean the format itself
[04:07] <Thehound666> slow seeking
[04:07] <Thehound666> not good for a gamer
[04:07] <Linux_Galore> wii isnt a good front end though for LAN media, ie playing avi over a LAN
[04:07] <Minataku> They're gonna lose a ton of money on the PS3's failure
[04:07] <Thehound666> poor reliability on drives
[04:07] <Minataku> I wouldn't be surprised if Sony goes under
[04:07] <Thehound666> oh yes and DRM
[04:08] <Minataku> Or at least totally withdraws from the console market
[04:08] <Thehound666> but almost irrelevant on a ps3
[04:08] <smaggard> you mean the slow seeking is not good for a gamer or are those 2 diff reasons
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: no, Sony isnt just one company, the console division may shut up shop
[04:08] <Thehound666> slow seeking=bad for gamers
[04:08] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: I know, but they're really using all this as a big thing for them, and it's gonna hurt 'em
[04:08] <Thehound666> you can live with a 4x drive if it seeks well
[04:08] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: Sony has cash reserves up there with Microsoft
[04:08] <smaggard> but will the games run blueray discs?
[04:08] <Minataku> Think about Japan's porn industry
[04:08] <smaggard> or reg dvds..?
[04:09] <Minataku> They're all going HD-DVD of course
[04:09] <coreymon77> think about japans video gaming industry
[04:09] <Minataku> Lots of cash in Japanese porno
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> Japans video gaming industry is HUGE
[04:09] <Thehound666> and porno games
[04:09] <smaggard> think about pearl harbor and the kind of attack the could pull now...
[04:09] <Thehound666> they mesh together alot
[04:09] <Linux_Galore> also you have Korea and now China
[04:09] <Minataku> So is their porno industry
[04:09] <Minataku> Mmmm... hentai
[04:10] <Linux_Galore> when I was in Japan a new manga comic was being released and people were queing up for hours to get a copy
[04:10] <Thehound666> so in Japan, I assume hentai games will only be on HD-DVD
[04:10] <Thehound666> poor fools at Sony
[04:11] <Minataku> Thehound666: ALL Japanese porn only on HD-DVD
[04:11] <Minataku> Perhaps you don't realize just what a huge chunk that is
[04:11] <Minataku> lol
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> yep, no lolli anime on BlueRay  lol
[04:11] <Thehound666> but more popular than porn there is porn video games
[04:11] <Minataku> Japan is home to the widest range of fetishes in the entire world
[04:11] <Thehound666> it combines their 2 favourite pasttimes
[04:11] <Linux_Galore> thats a killer just there
[04:11] <Minataku> Whatever your kink, Japan has a DVD for it
[04:12] <Minataku> And that's AWESOME
[04:12] <Thehound666> lol
[04:12] <Minataku> Thehound666: I repeat myself... "Mmmm... hentai"
[04:12] <Linux_Galore> yeah, they have different names for each cultural group too
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> I hare anime with a few of my geek buddies, one of them has nothing bit tons of lolli
[04:13] <Linux_Galore> share*
[04:13] <Minataku> Hm, what's his name, maybe I know him
[04:13] <Minataku> lol
[04:13] <Minataku> And it's spelled "loli"
[04:13] <Minataku> Short form of "lolicon"
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> aaah yeah
[04:14] <smaggard> anime pr0n? whaaat?
[04:14] <Linux_Galore> yeah, they always have funny bits about lolicon characters in the comic battle stuff
[04:14] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:14] <smaggard> r u serious
[04:14] <Minataku> Hell yeah
[04:15] <Linux_Galore> I like comic battle and serious stuff like Death Note
[04:15] <smaggard> what exactly is the point
[04:15] <Minataku> Anime porn, or as it's known in the west, hentai is huge
[04:15] <Minataku> smaggard: It's a fetish
[04:15] <Minataku> There's no point, it's just how some of us are wired up
[04:15] <smaggard> woooow theres some real weirdos in the world :P
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> yeah, should see some of the stuff they record in the USA, ie beating chicks up then shagging them
[04:16] <Minataku> smaggard: Watch it, you're poised to piss off a lot of people there
[04:16] <Minataku> lol
[04:16] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: lol, you read SA, don't you?
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> anyone saying hentai is bad should look at the live stuff the USA pits out
[04:16] <smaggard> ever hear of getting a gf? lol
[04:16] <Minataku> Let me guess: "Horrors of Pornography: Donkey Punch"
[04:16] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: yeah lol
[04:16] <Minataku> :D
[04:17] <Minataku> That was a funny one XD
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: only america can make sex so weird
[04:17] <Minataku> I dunno... I've heard of stuff from Japan
[04:17] <NDPowerBook> What the hell are you talking about?
[04:17] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: no Germany has the weirdest stuff,  their into excrement orgies
[04:17] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: We better yuk it up now, when the cabal gets wind of this we're so banned
[04:17] <NDPowerBook> The US didn't come up with schoolgirl tentacle porn, thats Japan.
[04:17] <Minataku> XD
[04:18] <NDPowerBook> And the US didn't come up with scat porn, thats Germany.
[04:18] <Linux_Galore> lol
[04:18] <Minataku> Schie?e
[04:18] <NDPowerBook> And "loli" is short for lolipop which means underage characters.
[04:18] <Minataku> Any excuse to pull out the fancy characters
[04:18] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: Incorrect
[04:18] <Minataku> It's short for "lolicon"
[04:19] <NDPowerBook> Yeah but it means underage
[04:19] <NDPowerBook> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon
[04:19] <Minataku> I know what it means
[04:19] <Linux_Galore> yeah, actually most of the modern porn industry came from germany post WW1, there was a really good doco done last year in it, you could have a holiday in berlin and basically shag the whole family for a $$$
[04:19] <NDPowerBook> So if you're into that you really need to not be criticizing anyone else or any other country.
[04:19] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: Better than real underage people, in which case you need to be carted away
[04:20] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: lol
[04:20] <NDPowerBook> Only marginally so.
[04:20] <Linux_Galore> Germans were totally broke after WWI so they sold the only thing they had, their morals,  the down side is the rebound in conservatism was Hitler and the Nazi's
[04:20] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: Maybe 99% of people into lolicon aren't into real little kids
[04:20] <Minataku> It's just an extension of liking hentai
[04:20] <NDPowerBook> I have no doubt most loli fans leave kids alone
[04:21] <Linux_Galore> Americans would flock to Berlin to have sex holidays in the 1920's
[04:21] <NDPowerBook> Its just why look at the stuff in the first place?
[04:21] <Minataku> And for the other 1%, better to have them looking at lolicon than real little kids
[04:21] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: Like I said, it's a fetish, I don't think there's an explanation for any fetish
[04:21] <slyfox> Does anyone know if I can use SqLite in Amarok for about 16,000 songs ?
[04:21] <Minataku> It's just how your brain happened to form
[04:21] <Minataku> Or something like that
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Japanese have a fetish outlet for everything, weird thing is sex crimes in japan are rare
[04:22] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: Weird nothing, it's BECAUSE
[04:22] <Minataku> At least is my theory
[04:22] <NDPowerBook> Thats because they don't label most things other countries would call a sex crime a sex crime. Easy way to keep the stats down.
[04:22] <NDPowerBook> When's the next update to kubuntu?
[04:22] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: No, they're pretty strict on things like that
[04:22] <Linux_Galore> NDPowerBook: april
[04:22] <NDPowerBook> Hrm
[04:22] <Minataku> Hell, pretty much all of their porn is still censored
[04:22] <NDPowerBook> I guess I can wait
[04:23] <Minataku> Despite that law being expired/eliminated
[04:23] <NDPowerBook> My Upgrade of 6.06 to 6.10 didn't go so well but its not my main comp anyway so I'll just wait for whats it gonna be called 6.8? 7.06?? to come out
[04:23] <Linux_Galore> NDPowerBook: it may be rolled back if kde4 pops up
[04:23] <Minataku> NDPowerBook: Key thing to remember, it's not a decimal, it's an integer separator
[04:24] <Minataku> Which is more than likely why they chose to call it 6.06 instead of 6.6
[04:24] <Minataku> Unix version numbering is integer.integer
[04:24] <Linux_Galore> Ive got 6.10 working really well now
[04:24] <Glider-Mike> the last digit stands for the month of release, that's where the 0
[04:24] <Linux_Galore> took hmm 9 weeks lol
[04:24] <Minataku> Glider-Mike: Ah
[04:24] <NDPowerBook> Ahh
[04:24] <NDPowerBook> So Kubuntu 6 came out in both July and October
[04:24] <Minataku> I thought it was just to ease confusion of integer-based version numbering
[04:25] <Thehound666> will we see a stable feisty soon?
[04:25] <NDPowerBook> (They need to come up with a simpler numbering system)
[04:25] <Glider-Mike> yes, Dapper in June and Edgy in Oct.
[04:25] <Thehound666> I hear it's pretty
[04:25] <Minataku> Like when MAME went from 0.99 to 0.100
[04:25] <Linux_Galore> they really need to put a Edgy 6.10.1  on the mirrors
[04:25] <Minataku> The key point is that both numbers are individual integers, it's not a decimal number
[04:25] <NDPowerBook> Yeah thats MY point.
[04:25] <NDPowerBook> I left math behind in school. I'm not interested in going back to class just to learn what version Linux I'm running! :P
[04:26] <Minataku> Just remember that they're both integers with weight
[04:26] <Minataku> Major.Minor
[04:26] <Minataku> If need be, Major.Minor.Teeny
[04:26] <Thehound666> what sucks about most schools is no classes taught on Linux'
[04:26] <Glider-Mike> hahahah teeny
[04:26] <Thehound666> either Mac or Windows
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> edgy is really nice now, fast and works, edgy whenit first came out was a mess
[04:27] <Minataku> Or somesuch synonym
[04:27] <Minataku> lol
[04:27] <Glider-Mike> I like it
[04:27] <Glider-Mike> Edgy is nice IMHO, rocks for me
[04:27] <Minataku> I gotta look up how the Linux Kernel is versioned
[04:27] <Thehound666> Edgy wasn't that big a mess for me, just a few broken packages
[04:27] <Glider-Mike> I like how well they have Beryl working in KDE now as well
[04:27] <Linux_Galore> kde 3.5.6  is perfect
[04:27] <Thehound666> now seems fixed
[04:27] <Glider-Mike> Good luck with 3.5.6 so far on my end
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> yeah, Im just moving a few plugins over to 3.5.6
[04:28] <Thehound666> how do I find my version?
[04:28] <Thehound666> I tried kde --version
[04:28] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666:   konqueror --version
[04:28] <Minataku> lol
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> it works dont knock it
[04:29] <Glider-Mike> Or, Just open help then chooose "help" from the meny and "about"
[04:29] <Minataku> Linux version is uname -a
[04:29] <Minataku> Linux Piyoko 2.6.19.1-Pyocola-i686 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 20 23:21:32 EST 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[04:29] <Minataku> :D
[04:29] <crimsun> I still see graphic artifacts with 3.5.6 and Beryl 0.2.0beta2
[04:29] <Thehound666> 3.5.5
[04:29] <Thehound666> looks I need to update
[04:29] <Minataku> Not really
[04:29] <aegis> Hey Minataku, I got it working
[04:29] <Minataku> This isn't the latest kernel anymore, I mean, it's... uh...
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666:   into on the kubuntu.org  home page on how to do it
[04:29] <tapas> i did the mistake of installing the nvidia bianry only driver from nvidia themselfes
[04:29] <Minataku>  22:27:47 up 32 days,  9:19,  6 users,  load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.01
[04:29] <Linux_Galore> info*
[04:29] <Minataku> At least 32d old
[04:30] <Minataku> aegis: Cool, what was broken?
[04:30] <aegis> I had to screw around a while with the monitor settings, but I can now run Kubuntu at native settings
[04:30] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: they have a repo for kde 3.5.6
[04:30] <Minataku> aegis: Ah
[04:30] <tapas> after finding out theres a package i unistalled it and tried to install the nvidia-glx package
[04:30] <aegis> I'm not really sure, tbh.. it would run at 16x12, but not at lower settings with that monitor setting
[04:30] <tapas> sadly it didn
[04:30] <tapas> t quite work out
[04:30] <Minataku> BTW: If you want to see your uptime and such, it's "uptime" XD
[04:30] <aegis> I set it to a lower monitor setting default (1280x768 or something) and it worked
[04:31] <Minataku> aegis: 16x12? That's really lousy
[04:31] <Minataku> X3
[04:31] <Thehound666> These packages are not well supported, security and other updates may not be applied promptly.
[04:31] <tapas> i thought, ok, reinstall the nvidia-glx package by purging and then installing it
[04:31] <Thehound666> hmm
[04:31] <aegis> 1600x1200*
[04:31] <tapas> removing fails withj
[04:31] <Minataku> aegis: I figured, heehee
[04:31] <Minataku> Just jokin' ;3
[04:31] <aegis> at that res, I couldn't see the lower half of the desktop
[04:31] <Minataku> Probably the card/monitor didn't support that high of a res
[04:32] <Thehound666> 1024x768 has always been comfortable for me
[04:32] <roniez> take a lesser res then.
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666:   you need to add   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest  edgy  main   in adept
[04:32] <Thehound666> so stick with it
[04:32] <ivan`> if feisty not broken in horrible ways?
[04:32] <Minataku> 1024x768 is nice
[04:32] <ivan`> i don't have any problems fixing things
[04:32] <Minataku> Thehound666: Or just stay at 3.5.5
[04:32] <aegis> Well, on any other box I've used, setting a 1280x768 monitor to 1600x1200 would royally f*ck things up
[04:32] <Minataku> That's perfectly acceptible as well
[04:32] <Minataku> lol
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: that will update you always to the latest version of kde
[04:32] <aegis> so I'm kinda surprised it didn't on this
[04:32] <Thehound666> yeah it says 3.5.6 is not well supported
[04:32] <aegis> it just cut out 60% of my desktop
[04:32] <Thehound666> might just wait
[04:32] <Minataku> aegis: Usually the monitor would just fart and tell you to piss off
[04:32] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: ??  all works for me
[04:32] <Minataku> Newer monitors protect themselves
[04:32] <aegis> yeah
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: its an update not a new version
[04:33] <smaggard> newer monitors will protect themselves
[04:33] <aegis> anyways, I got it running now, so I can swap between linux and OS X instantly
[04:33] <Linux_Galore> Thehound666: its still kde 3.5
[04:33] <Thehound666> very odd that it says that
[04:33] <smaggard> how did u do that?
[04:33] <Minataku> Probably a KVM
[04:33] <aegis> I run Kubuntu on a VM
[04:33] <Minataku> Or that
[04:34] <Minataku> aegis: Now install it for real and use a real OS
[04:34] <smaggard> ah im running kubuntu and xp in a vm... but i only have 512mb ram so i need to update that haha
[04:34] <aegis> lol, I have fluxbuntu on my server box, that's a whole new level of pain-in-the-@ss
[04:34] <Minataku> Fluxbox is the best, nice, light, does what it's supposed to do while staying out of the way
[04:34] <Linux_Galore> has  Vista/Linux/OSX  all running at the same time thanks to 2Gb of ram
[04:35] <Minataku> ...
[04:35] <smaggard> i think ill get another 512 stick.. its on my laptop btw haha
[04:35] <aegis> When I boot up on that computer, ethernet doesnt' work until I kill the dhcpcd pid or some such, then do dhcpcd again
[04:35] <Linux_Galore> goto love virtualisation
[04:35] <Thehound666> I run my major install on a VM and 3 others native
[04:35] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: What's the host OS, though?
[04:35] <Thehound666> the one on a VM Kubuntu doesn't support my hardware
[04:35] <aegis> and I haven't gotten a background set yet, because apparently it doesn't support jpegs
[04:35] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: OSX
[04:35] <Minataku> Aw, man, now I gotta clobber ya
[04:36] <Minataku> XD
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: wont work in Linux
[04:36] <Minataku> Buy a real computer, not a damn toy
[04:36] <aegis> Minataku why don't you like OS X?
[04:36] <Thehound666> my card was put out shortly before Edgy
[04:36] <aegis> I'm lovin my macbook
[04:36] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: its a core2 machine
[04:36] <Thehound666> maybe Feisty will get driver support for it
[04:36] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: It's also tightly TPM-enabled
[04:37] <Minataku> So at any time Apple may just decide to tell you what you can and can't do
[04:37] <Minataku> Especially with OSX running on it
[04:37] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: if you can get Linux to host all three I would do it
[04:37] <Thehound666> M$ too, read about Vista
[04:37] <Minataku> Since that's already well tied into the TPM chip
[04:37] <Minataku> Hell, it won't run without it! (Or an emulation of one, at any rate)
[04:38] <Linux_Galore> actually new cpu's wont need so much overhead because you literally boot three OS's
[04:39] <Thehound666> VMWare overhead running Linux is not bad
[04:39] <Thehound666> running Vista...very bad
[04:39] <Linux_Galore> the virtuallisation is hardware side not software
[04:39] <PhibreOptix> I just installed KDE on my ubuntu system and wow
[04:39] <PhibreOptix> It's awesome
[04:40] <aegis> I'm somewhat tempted to install winXP on the VM just so I can run MS OneNote during class
[04:40] <aegis> I'm no fan of Office, but it really is a powerful note taking program, compared to the others I've seen
[04:40] <Glider-Mike> I used onenote for a while, don't like the layout very much though.  Now a BasKet fan
[04:40] <Thehound666> I think Gnome sucks but there are different Ubuntus for the expression: to each their own
[04:40] <Thehound666> I like KDE
[04:40] <Minataku> Thehound666: Running Vista PERIOD... very bad
[04:40] <PhibreOptix> I like all it's shiny features xD
[04:41] <Minataku> And I mean that from a "It's a f?cking resourcewhore" standpoint
[04:41] <Glider-Mike> I've used both Gnome and KDE.  I like them both but KDE is just more me.  Seems faster and more polsihed to me
[04:41] <aegis> Fluxbox is my favorite desktop environment right now
[04:41] <Linux_Galore> Glider-Mike: Im looking at the google notes thing, I can keep my links and notes on the web
[04:41] <Minataku> A friend of mine said brand new install, right after first boot... EIGHT HUNDRED MEGABYTES OF RAM
[04:41] <smaggard> geez
[04:41] <PhibreOptix> Well that's what you can expect from M$
[04:41] <smaggard> lol
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> Glider-Mike: sinc all my notes across all my machines
[04:42] <Minataku> Vista was sitting there after the first boot doing absolutely nothing and needing 800MB OF RAM TO DO IT
[04:42] <aegis> haha
[04:42] <aegis> well, XP was a resource hog too when it came out
[04:42] <Linux_Galore> unless its cross platform I dont use it now
[04:42] <smaggard> hey.. but its "pretty".... lol
[04:42] <Minataku> Not to mention idle, which is typically 0% load, was actually around 5% in Vista
[04:43] <Minataku> aegis: It never stopped being one
[04:43] <Minataku> People just accepted it as a fact of life and added more RAM
[04:43] <aegis> well, ram needed to be added eventualy anyways
[04:43] <PhibreOptix> Can anybody tell me where to go in KDE to change keyboard shortcuts for opening programs?
[04:43] <Minataku> Kind of like how Mexican prisoners accept getting raped and beaten every night as a fact of life and just take it
[04:44] <smaggard> lol uhhh yeah
[04:44] <smaggard> lol
[04:44] <Linux_Galore> I like how now there is a move to small compact systems, people are getting sick of these heavy machines with a bloated OS when all they want os a browser with flash/java and email
[04:44] <Linux_Galore> is*
[04:44] <smaggard> yeah
[04:44] <Glider-Mike> Haven't checked out Google notes yet.   I get a bit leary about storing too much on third party servers
[04:44] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: I know you mean Macs and I want to beat you down for it
[04:44] <smaggard> vista should have slimmed down instead of bloating up more
[04:45] <aegis> MS hasn't learned the concept of slimming down
[04:45] <Minataku> MS uses more resources and computing power as an excuse to code really, really badly
[04:45] <Linux_Galore> OLPC is a great example, everyone who sees the things want one, WHY??, it hasnt got much software and its rather small. its because "it does the job" and "its simple"  thats why
[04:46] <Minataku> So their code is completely insane, bloated to hell and back, and is about as efficient as a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest
[04:46] <Linux_Galore> I think modern PC's have over shot the technology boundry to be honest
[04:46] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: I want my PC to have MORE power
[04:46] <smaggard> how much faster do we need?
[04:46] <Minataku> But I don't want that being used as a crutch for sloppy-ass coding
[04:46] <smaggard> i mean what are we going to be DOING
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: you dont need big fast PC's anymore
[04:47] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: I don't give a flying fart what I need/don't need
[04:47] <smaggard> lol
[04:47] <Minataku> It's what I want, and f?ck you if you're gonna prevent me from getting it
[04:47] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: you need small cheap does the job machines that talk to other small easy cheap to replace application servers
[04:47] <smaggard> LOL!
[04:47] <smaggard> agreed
[04:48] <Minataku> I want an UltraSPARC-T2 system for a desktop
[04:48] <Minataku> Yes it's totally overkill
[04:48] <Minataku> No, I don't give a damn
[04:48] <Minataku> If I want 8 cores with 4 processes per, damnit I should be allowed to get it
[04:49] <Minataku> Even if all I end up using it for is looking at porn and using IRC
[04:49] <Linux_Galore> right now I have a file server that sits un a cupboard that hold all my files and video stuff, I have a xbox360 in the lounge that can access the file server and the web and a few laptops (one with a huge external LCD)
[04:49] <Minataku> Don't control or say how people should do things, let them do what they want, that's the spirit of Linux
[04:49] <smaggard> how huge is that lcd?
[04:49] <Minataku> Which is something you've clearly overlooked, but then you seem partial to Macs telling you what you can touch and what you can't
[04:50] <Glider-Mike> Just remember, there was a day (not really that long ago in the scheme of things) when someone said "why we would ever need a megabyte of storage"
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: 42"
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: 1080i  unit
[04:50] <smaggard> 42 isnt huge dood
[04:50] <smaggard> and 1080i is old tech
[04:50] <Minataku> Glider-Mike: And I say "Shut your mouth, give me the MB and you don't get hurt" in a dark alley at 2AM
[04:50] <Minataku> XD
[04:50] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: is for a monitor
[04:50] <smaggard> gay
[04:50] <smaggard> lol
[04:51] <Linux_Galore> smaggard: I only watch anime on the thing anyway and most of that has res thats lower
[04:51] <transgress> how can i set up knetworkmanager to run at kde start?
[04:51] <smaggard> o well then aight
[04:51] <Minataku> lol
[04:51] <Linux_Galore> transgress: in kcontrol you can setup stuff to autostart
[04:52] <Minataku> I'd love an UltraSPARC-T2, imagine how MAME would fly on one of those
[04:52] <Minataku> One thread per emulated chip, that would kick all kinds of ass every which way from Sunday
[04:52] <Minataku> XD
[04:53] <transgress> Linux_Galore: but doesn't it need root privs?  or does it?
[04:53] <Minataku> Sorry for that outburst, BTW XD
[04:53] <Minataku> Sorry also if I upset and/or offended anyone, as well
[04:54] <Minataku> And a direct apology to Linux_Galore, since he was the target of this one XD
[04:54] <zyth> I am having a really weird issue.  If I launch diablo 2 from console with 'wine 'Diablo II.exe' it runs fine, but if I make a launcher for Diablo II.exe it doesn't work
[04:55] <Linux_Galore> transgress: if it needs a passwork it will ask for it, from what I know it only asks for one when you enable or disable anything on the system
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> transgress: I use a different app to manage my network connection called kwlan
[04:56] <LBB> Hi, my sreen went into low res for no apparent reason, when i go to "system settings->display->size & orientation" my only choise is 640*480 60Hz. Ideas?
[04:56] <Glider-Mike> kwlan is pretty slick
[04:56] <Linux_Galore> yeah, I prefere kwlan to be honest
[04:56] <dope> you think linux is easier to learn than windows?
[04:57] <Glider-Mike> oh boy
[04:57] <smaggard> sho nuff
[04:57] <smaggard> lol
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> dope: no OS is easy to learn
[04:57] <smaggard> hwg
[04:57] <Linux_Galore> dope: what is hard is going from one OS to another
[04:57] <dope> yea true
[04:58] <dope> so which is better than, linux or windows?
[04:58] <smaggard> heh
[04:58] <dope> :P
[04:58] <Glider-Mike> oh boy X2
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> dope: I use Linux so much more than anything else that I have issues using Windows now
[04:58] <smaggard> same here
[04:58] <dope> yea i mainly use linux now
[04:58] <smaggard> i use crossover to run any windows only apps i need
[04:58] <Linux_Galore> ie I can find stuff in windows lol
[04:58] <dope> except on the laptop
[04:58] <aegis> I've only fooled around with linux so far
[04:58] <Glider-Mike> I hate typing "ls" into Windows stupid command prompt
[04:58] <Glider-Mike> Do it all the time
[04:58] <smaggard> lol! me 2!!!
[04:59] <dope> i can't get wpa to work on the laptop so i use windows for now
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> wtf, weres vim or why the fsk wont scp work
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> heh @ windows
[04:59] <LBB> anyone know how to get a sreensize back to normal, other tan in system settings?
[04:59] <Linux_Galore> dope: feisty has allot of wireless card fixes
[04:59] <Glider-Mike> I have used Linux long enough that I am just amazed at everything you CANT do with Windows
[05:00] <Minataku> My issue...
[05:00] <dope> Linux_Galore: the current RC2 does?
[05:00] <Minataku> I highlight something in Windows and expect it to be in the pastebuffer
[05:00] <Minataku> AND IT ISN'T BECAUSE WINDOWS SUCKS
[05:00] <Linux_Galore> dope: yeah I have a test machine with fl2 on it
[05:00] <Minataku> >:|
[05:00] <Minataku> XD
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> dope: seems to have better support for wlan
[05:01] <Glider-Mike> Yes, Windows sucks, and even worse than that, I am not going to leave my system or my data to a closed source / company that I have no control over
[05:01] <dope> well my wireless works but i just can't get wpa encryption to work with it
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> dope: almost as good as my openbsd machine
[05:01] <Glider-Mike> dope: WPA can be nast, and you must have a supported driver.  I feel your pain on that
[05:01] <Linux_Galore> dope: I just use ssh
[05:02] <dope> ssh?
[05:02] <Minataku> Especially since WPA is just as bad as WEP
[05:02] <Linux_Galore> dope: yeah, I close down all the ports and use ssh over the wlan between the machines
[05:02] <Minataku> Just tunnel everything through ssh, yeah
[05:03] <Minataku> Anything that's sensitive should be done via SSH anyway
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> dope:  ssh  = secure shell
[05:03] <Minataku> SSL
[05:03] <Minataku> Sorry
[05:03] <Linux_Galore> yes, I have a web browser working with ssh lol
[05:03] <dope> oh
[05:03] <dope> well i'm talkin about going to friends' houses and getting on their network
[05:03] <Minataku> dope: You know how when you login to GMail or eBay via Firefox, the URL turns green and starts with https?
[05:03] <dope> i think someone is on my network
[05:04] <Minataku> dope: Check the router
[05:04] <Minataku> While you're there... MAC filtering
[05:04] <Glider-Mike> Many corporate APs use WPA along with TLS, CKIP, MSCHAP and all that other crap that make it tough.
[05:04] <Linux_Galore> dope: basically the security is the client machine not the easy to crack wpa
[05:04] <dope> i set static IPs for my 2 comps on here
[05:04] <Minataku> Locks EVERYONE out
[05:04] <Glider-Mike> That's my issue at work
[05:04] <dope> 113 and 114 and there's a 100 ip
[05:04] <dope> also my 2 comps don't show up in the table
[05:04] <dope> is that a linux thing?
[05:05] <Minataku> Glider-Mike: Oh, those "don't make a difference, proprietary as hell" useless bullsh?t things that corporations pay $20000/license for?
[05:05] <Linux_Galore> dope: ssh works on most platforms  even windows
[05:05] <Glider-Mike> Manataku: Exactly
[05:05] <Minataku> Nobody is getting my name right today
[05:05] <Glider-Mike> Sorry "Minataku"
[05:05] <Minataku> lol
[05:05] <Minataku> It's okay
[05:05] <Glider-Mike> was merely a typo
[05:05] <Glider-Mike> my bad
[05:05] <Minataku> I have a hard last name IRL
[05:06] <Minataku> So I'm used to it anyway
[05:06] <Minataku> XD
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: Minataku Minataku
[05:06] <dope> who is this 100 ip
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> lol
[05:06] <Minataku> lol
[05:06] <Linux_Galore> pffft
[05:06] <Minataku> dope: Hit 'em with nmap
[05:06] <dope> how do i do that
[05:06] <Minataku> Sorry, Glider-Mike, it just so happens that almost nobody today has typed it right XD
[05:06] <Minataku> !nmap
[05:06] <ubotu> nmap: The Network Mapper. In component main, is extra. Version 4.10-1 (edgy), package size 702 kB, installed size 2436 kB
[05:07] <Linux_Galore> hate nicks with a _ or a shift character at the begining
[05:07] <Minataku> 4.10-1? That's retardedly old
[05:07] <Glider-Mike> no problemas
[05:07] <Max_-> Hellooo!  anyone can give me a clue about "Package console-common is not available, but is referred to by another package... blah blah"  What do I need to do then to get it installed?
[05:07] <Linux_Galore> arent they forking nmap because is gone proprietry ?
[05:08] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: That's nessus
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> aaah
[05:08] <Minataku> Besides, metasploit basically replaces nessus
[05:08] <Minataku> It's also completely F/OSS
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> been ages since I use nessus
[05:08] <Minataku> No corporate bullplop behind it
[05:08] <Minataku> Nah, nmap is awesome
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> last time I used nessus on the company network all the windows machines when ape shit
[05:08] <Glider-Mike> Time to head to the garage for a smoke and grab a cocktail. BRB.  Take care of keeping hte conversation going Minatakooo.
[05:08] <Minataku> And current version is 4.20
[05:09] <Minataku> lol
[05:09] <Glider-Mike> Sorry man, couldn't help it.
[05:09] <Max_-> How did we enable searching in more servers for packages.. can't remember.. there was something about it..
[05:09] <Minataku> s'ok
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> Im off to watch some lolicon
[05:10] <dope> it's not responding to the nmap
[05:10] <dope> could it be a an old computer that WAS connected but not anymore?
[05:10] <dope> and why aren't my linux computers showing up
[05:10] <Minataku> lol
[05:10] <Minataku> Have fun
[05:10] <Minataku> Wait
[05:10] <Minataku> What series?
[05:11] <Minataku> dope: Most Windows machines, properly set up won't respond at all to nmap, believe it or now
[05:11] <Minataku> *not
[05:11] <dope> hmm
[05:11] <vontux> sudo cat /etc/apt/sources.list~ >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:12] <vontux> yields permission denied
[05:12] <vontux> does anyone have any idea why this is?
[05:12] <smaggard> u got a package manager open?
[05:12] <smaggard> like adept..
[05:12] <smaggard> close it
[05:12] <Minataku> Yeah, I think 100 on my network is the Windows box, and it returned two closed ports
[05:13] <vontux> ok, so some other process is using it then, and that is what is causing the problem samggard?
[05:13] <smaggard> yupp
[05:13] <smaggard> some other package handler or something
[05:13] <Minataku> !adeptfix
[05:13] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[05:13] <Max_-> Hellooo!  anyone can give me a clue about "Package console-common is not available, but is referred to by another package... blah blah and it says to maybe look for other locations.."  What do I need to do then to get it installed?
[05:13] <smaggard> or just restart it might be just as fast ;)
[05:14] <vontux> smaggard: would this include killing the process for apt-get?
[05:14] <smaggard> do you have a runaway apt-get?
[05:14] <Minataku> Heh
[05:14] <smaggard> yeah kill it
[05:14] <Minataku> The Nintendo Wii has no open ports in the default nmap scan
[05:14] <vontux> smaggard: not quite sure what that is actually :)
[05:14] <vontux> smaggard: thx
[05:14] <Minataku> MAC Address: 00:17:AB:XX:XX:XX (Nintendo Co.)
[05:14] <Minataku> :D
[05:15] <smaggard> apt-get is the cli package installer
[05:15] <vontux> that is probably a cause
[05:15] <smaggard> yeah def.
[05:17] <vontux> does anyone know if there have been some changes to the Ubuntu universe repositories lately?
[05:18] <smaggard> iunno myself sorr
[05:18] <smaggard> y
[05:18] <smaggard> sorry*
[05:21] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: kyou no Go Ni
[05:22] <Minataku> Never heard of it, but enjoy ^^
[05:22] <cpk1> so how safe do you figure .debs from fiesty to be when using on an edgy install? =)
[05:22] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: just found it today, havent got a clue what its about
[05:23] <Max_-> Hellooo!  anyone can give me a clue about "Package console-common is not available, but is referred to by another package... blah blah and it says to maybe look for other locations.."  What do I need to do then to get it installed?
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: artwork seems nice
[05:23] <Minataku> lol
[05:23] <cpk1> !find console-common
[05:23] <ubotu> Found: console-common
[05:23] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: aaa its a comic lolicon
[05:23] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: Depending on the core content, the artwork may be all one needs XD
[05:23] <KorN[CM] > !find dmraid
[05:23] <ubotu> Found: dmraid
[05:23] <Minataku> !console-common
[05:23] <ubotu> console-common: Basic infrastructure for text console configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.59ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 103 kB, installed size 864 kB
[05:24] <cpk1> Max_-: you need to enable universe
[05:24] <Minataku> Hm
[05:24] <Max_-> cpk1 yeahh!! that's it... universe.... where was the file? please
[05:24] <Minataku> !find lololololtotallybogus
[05:24] <ubotu> Package/file lololololtotallybogus does not exist in edgy
[05:24] <Minataku> lol
[05:24] <Minataku> There it is XD
[05:24] <Minataku> Hm...
[05:25] <cpk1> !repos | Max_-
[05:25] <ubotu> Max_-: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:25] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[05:26] <orient2000> what is a short cut for adept?
[05:28] <Max_-> cpk1 thanks...  damn.. just enabled the universe thing... and I still get the same error
[05:28] <cpk1> Max_-: you need to do update first
[05:29] <Max_-> update?
[05:29] <Max_-> I'm on server version.. so I don't have the GUI if you're talking about the nice little app that does everything for you.. usually
[05:30] <cpk1> Max_-: do apt-get update or aptitude update
[05:30] <cpk1> as sudo
[05:31] <Max_-> okay
[05:31] <jontec> hey, can I use depmod to get the standard detection of my soundcard back? If so, can you specify what I need? I kind of deleted it, I think
[05:32] <Max_-> still not working :(.. says the same error
[05:33] <Max_-> ohh think I got something
[05:34] <Max_-> okay.. it'll I think.. thanks
[05:36] <vontux> quick general question, if I try to install some packages using "apt-get" with Ubuntu 6.06 LTS since it isn't the most up to date version, can this cause some errors with dependency problems on attempts to isntall some packages?
[05:38] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: its actually just some very short funny stories with kids
[05:40] <cpk1> vontux: no, apt-get knows what to get as long as you only have dapper repos in your sources.list
[05:42] <vontux> does anyone know about "Easyubuntu" does it add repos that are for 6.10 rather than 6.06, perhaps this could be causing my problem?
[05:46] <Dr_willis> 'best' would be to not use easyubuntu, or any other of the various 'helper' tools that do that stuff.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> add the repos manually, and isntall the stuff you manually.
[05:47] <Glider-Mike> May be "best" that way, but Automatix really helps make Ubuntu / KUbuntu rock the most
[05:49] <Dr_willis> and it can teach you how to reinstall the disrto also...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntusoftware.info/
[05:51] <flaccid> sounds pretty stupid
[05:52] <Dr_willis> ubuntu + lots of extras... woopiee...
[05:52] <Dr_willis> everything sounds stupid in one way or another. :)
[05:53] <flaccid> that site has about 100294 404 pages
[05:53] <Dr_willis> yep looks like it.
[05:53] <flaccid> can't you just install the extras onto kubuntu
[05:53] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  yes you can. :)
[05:53] <flaccid> hehe
[05:53] <Dr_willis> deb http://ubuntusoftware.info/ edgy all
[05:53] <flaccid> maybe i'll make kubuntu ultimate flaccid edition
[05:54] <Dr_willis> http://ubuntusoftware.info/repos.html
[05:54] <flaccid> so they are just a repo. how misleading
[05:54] <Dr_willis> everything is missleading.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:54] <Max_-> make: g++: Command not found             make: *** [blah]  Error 127      what should I think of this?.. just installed the make package.
[05:54] <flaccid> welcome to the world, today.
[05:54] <Dr_willis> i just find it odd.. isent java GPL'ed now? they state they had to 'remove it'
[05:54] <flaccid> Max_: apt-get install build-essential
[05:54] <Max_-> flaccid thanks
[05:54] <flaccid> java is not gpl
[05:55] <Dr_willis> I though sun made a big anouncement about it a few weeks ago.
[05:55] <flaccid> where do you want to go tomorrow?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> or was that somthing else.. i forget..
[05:56] <Dr_willis> and sharing innovations and technologies to foster more participation. Today in a historic move, Sun is opening the door to greater innovation by open sourcing key Java implementations
[05:56] <Dr_willis> http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/
[05:57] <smaggard> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3832475299740025557
[05:57] <flaccid> http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp
[05:57] <jbruckman> !konsole
[05:57] <ubotu> konsole: X terminal emulator for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 710 kB, installed size 2192 kB
[05:57] <Max_-> installed well... now I retry to compile that thing from a tutorial.. and it says (among other things, but this is the one that surprises me the most)    blah.cpp:2:17: error: php.h: No such file or directory     damn.. heh anyone knows how to get this working?
[05:57] <jbruckman> !beryl
[05:57] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:58] <flaccid> hmm doesnt say anything about the jre there
[05:58] <flaccid> ah its the java hotspot vm
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Heck i can barely understand their pressreleases.. :)
[05:59] <flaccid> totally
[06:00] <flaccid> looks like i'm using it in diablo jre: Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build diablo-1.5.0_07-b01, mixed mode)
[06:00] <Dr_willis> more buzzwords then a beehive full of lawyers
[06:00] <flaccid> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build diablo-1.5.0-b01)
[06:00] <edd_> ,,
[06:00] <flaccid> java has confusing parts but its good otherwise. but lots of bullshite
[06:00] <edd_> d
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I think SUN was java's worst enemy in sooo many ways....
[06:01] <edd_> s
[06:01] <Dr_willis> of course what do i know.. I learned Programming on a C64
[06:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:03] <edd_> s
[06:04] <Max_-> what package carries the php headers (php.h ..)  ????
[06:04] <LobsterWing> finally
[06:05] <jbruckman> !repositories
[06:05] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:06] <jbruckman> !gaim
[06:06] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:06] <Max_-> !php
[06:06] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:06] <Max_-> !headers
[06:06] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[06:06] <Max_-> !php.h
[06:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about php.h - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <flaccid> Dr_willis: SUN made java. they own the license.
[06:07] <LobsterWing> hello, can anyone tell me whts the command to install teamspeak
[06:07] <Max_-> !teamspeak
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about teamspeak - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <Max_-> huh
[06:07] <Max_-> nobody uses php.h around?
[06:07] <reldruh> does anybody know if there's a way to keep metadata from amarok (play counts and ratings) on a partition on a different computer, one that gets mounted at boot?
[06:08] <LobsterWing> ok i will check it
[06:08] <Max_-> LobsterWing I was just looking if ubotu knows... don't mean there's something there but you can still look
[06:09] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  most all kde apps keep their settings and data in the users .kde dir.
[06:10] <LobsterWing> !google kubuntu
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <reldruh> Dr_willis: thanks. I'll have to look through there and see if I can find a way to get it onto a different partition without breaking it
[06:10] <Dr_willis> soft links..
[06:10] <Dr_willis> or just back the thing up.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> or just put your /home on its own partition
[06:15] <reldruh> you think backing the whole think up would work? I can't figure out which file it is. There's a bunch called collection.db*
[06:15] <dhq_> Dr_willis: i need help with my battery management in linux i use a laptop
[06:16] <Dr_willis> dhq_,  ive not messed with that much.. other then use that KDE applet to throttle the cpu.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> I DID notice that sleep/hibernate now work on my turion laptop..
[06:16] <transgress> okay i'm trying to set up wpa_supplicant but there isn't an existing /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf anyone know what i should do about this?
[06:16] <Dr_willis> which amazed me.
[06:16] <dhq_> Dr_willis: but i dont seem to have any battery management applet
[06:17] <brad_> I just discoverd amarok, Ive been using xmms forever, and I will never go back to it. Amarok is coolest app I
[06:17] <Dr_willis> fire up the packaage manager perhaps and check/search.. i recall some that were not isntalled by default
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-laptop
[06:17] <ubotu> Package ubuntu-laptop does not exist in any distro I know
[06:17] <Dr_willis> !find laptop
[06:17] <transgress> or if someone has a way that i can get knetworkmanager to connect automatically w/o asking for a password that'd be great... because right now it asks for my wpa pass and my kwalletmanager pass
[06:17] <ubotu> Found: laptop-detect, laptop-mode-tools, education-laptop, klaptopdaemon, kpowersave (and 4 others)
[06:18] <vontux> !find laptop
[06:18] <ubotu> Found: laptop-detect, laptop-mode-tools, education-laptop, klaptopdaemon, kpowersave (and 4 others)
[06:22] <vontux> !find kde
[06:22] <ubotu> Found: atlantikdesigner, gettext-kde, hwdb-client-kde, kde-core, kde-guidance (and 502 others)
[06:33] <Frostypants> KUbuntu doesn't seem to remember my application associations.  I set mp3's to open with XMMS, but they still open with Kaffiene.  Anybody have an idea?
[06:35] <reldruh> Frostypants: how did you set mp3's to open with xmms/
[06:35] <reldruh> ?
[06:35] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[06:36] <Frostypants> reldruh: right-click > open with
[06:36] <Frostypants> :)
[06:36] <reldruh> Frostypants: try rightclicking, go to properties, click the wrench icon next to type
[06:37] <reldruh> Frostypants: and change the application preference order. I'm not sure it'll work, but I think doing 'open with' is a one time only thing
[06:37] <Frostypants> aaah
[06:37] <Frostypants> thank you very much!
[06:37] <Frostypants> :)
[06:37] <Frostypants> that did the trick hehe
[06:37] <reldruh> Frostypants: you're welcome :-)
[06:38] <reldruh> Frostypants: out of curiosity, do you know if backing up my ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok folder will back up my song ratings and play counts?
[06:38] <reldruh> I don't want to hose my amarok stats
[06:39] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  make a new user.. copy that dir over to his home and see...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> those amarok stats are sooo critical. :)
[06:40] <reldruh> Dr_willis: do I detect a hint of sarcasm? :-)
[06:40] <Frostypants> reldruh: I'm honestly not sure.  I don't use amarok very much.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> be sure to change ownership of the dir after ya copy it to the new users home dir
[06:40] <Frostypants> sorry :(
[06:40] <reldruh> I reinstall OS's pretty frequently. I'd like to not start over so often
[06:40] <reldruh> Frostypants: that's OK
[06:40] <reldruh> thanks Dr_willis. I'll try it now
[06:40] <Dr_willis> Its a 'good' idea to backup your .kde dir every so often ..  if you really have lots of imporntant stuff.
[06:40] <Dr_willis> I keep my /home on its own hard drive.. so when i reinstall. it keeps it safe
[06:41] <Dr_willis> HOWEVER.. some times different disrtos and even updateed versions of kde/gnome have issues with the older settings from the old /home
[06:42] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I've got a laptop. I'd love to keep my home directory on my server but that doesn't sound like it's portable at all
[06:42] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  lots of options.. depends on your exact needs.
[06:44] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I reinstall OS's rather often. I'd like to have a backup of settings and things (like amarok stats and my fstab), but I don't have a lot of extra hard drive space. Is backing up .kde my best bet?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  ,kde is just your users kde settings and cache and other kde specific data.  shouldent be more then a few mb id guess.. you may want to backup your whole /home every so often.
[06:46] <d0uglas> hi.. so i got really drunk last night and apparently i installed kubuntu.. now it's asking for a username/password. Is there some default one because my normal ones are not working and i cannot remember... argh.. ?
[06:46] <pgdown> reldruh: look into a separate /home partition
[06:46] <pgdown> so you dont have to lose any setting
[06:46] <reldruh> pgdown: would that just entail changing fstab?
[06:47] <reldruh> d0uglas: you can install OS's drunk? I can barely do it sober :-)
[06:47] <jontec> should modprobe atiixp take forever to execute?
[06:47] <d0uglas> :) okay but seriously is there a default l/p?
[06:47] <pgdown> creating the partiton and mounting it on /home...here: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[06:47] <d0uglas> i woke up, looked at the box, it asked to remove the disk etc and gave me a login prompt (gui)
[06:48] <d0uglas> do i need to reinstall this mutha
[06:49] <Dr_willis> boot to single user mode, and set the initial users password
[06:49] <Dr_willis> 'rescue mode' 'restore mode' whatever the *#*@ its called. :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> i forget.
[06:50] <d0uglas> Dr_willis: with the cd? or do i do a "f8" kinda thing a la windows?
[06:50] <Dr_willis> boot the cd.. look at the menus
[06:50] <d0uglas> ok
[06:51] <Dr_willis> or boot the live cd. and mount your / you isntalled to and chroot/ use passwd command..
[06:51] <Dr_willis> or.... theres a dozen + things ya could do. :)
[06:52] <d0uglas> okay, i got a boot screen, Start or instlal Kubuntu, Start Kubuntu ins afe graphics mode, etc... do i want hte first or second
[06:52] <d0uglas> btw i am currently returning to the drunk state
[06:53] <d0uglas> ... guess i'll go with safe mode
[06:55] <reldruh> Dr_willis: if I wanted to compile kde from source, would there be a lot of things I'd have to change to get it to work as well as kubuntu?
[06:55] <KorN[CM] > any dmraid gurus here???? I need some help please.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  perhaps.. never tried.. :)  never wanted to.
[06:56] <Dr_willis> compiling KDe from source.. is not a job for the meek.
[06:57] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I'd like to see what it's like without any changes the kubuntu devs make
[06:57] <reldruh> vanilla kde, I guess
[06:57] <d0uglas> Doing a little switacharoo on my momma's xp laptop to kubuntu (i'm a debian guy myself).
[06:58] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  get a live cd from some other disrto then. and try it.
[06:58] <Dr_willis> MUCH easier
[06:58] <reldruh> Dr_willis: what distro comes with vanilla kde?
[06:58] <d0uglas> ooo bluetooth adapter found nice
[06:58] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  thers some extra packatges you can install that converts kubuntus kde to a more vanilla one..
[06:58] <reldruh> such as?
[06:59] <Dr_willis> all ive noticed kubuntu doing is changing some default themes and profiles and so forth.. The KUBUNTU faq mentions this
[06:59] <Dr_willis> I think Gentoo has the most Vanilla/standard KDE setup you may want to ask in #kde
[06:59] <jontec> will someone answer me? should modprobe take forever to execute... my computer seems to be doing nothing
[06:59] <Dr_willis> I know the latest SUSE 10.2 had a Heavely tweaked KDE (and gnome even) setup.
[06:59] <Dr_willis> jontec,  shoudlet take much time at all.
[07:00] <Dr_willis> try 'dmesg' in another shell
[07:00] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me to install latest dmraid please? I've tried NUMEROUS times and it fails
[07:00] <reldruh> Dr_willis: I tried Gentoo once before.  That was a difficult experience. Rather traumatic.
[07:01] <Dr_willis> reldruh,  yep.. i used gentoo for quite some time... and really.. i dident gain much from it
[07:01] <Dr_willis> but it was the most 'use the defaults' disrto ive seen for KDE and gnome.
[07:01] <jontec> Dr_wills: question... can I clear it (dmesg)? (and if I use modprobe on the wrong module can I use it again to reverse the effects?)
[07:01] <Dr_willis> and other window managers
[07:02] <Dr_willis> modprobing a network card module, or whatever. for a device you wont have.. shouldent affect anyting
[07:02] <Dr_willis> i belive in most cases the module checks for the hardware.. sees its not there.. then exits/unloads
[07:02] <Dr_willis> but it may depend on the module.
[07:03] <jontec> Dr_willis: well it was atiixp... I think it's really important...?
[07:03] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me to install latest dmraid please? I've tried NUMEROUS times and it fails
[07:04] <Dr_willis> jontec,  you loaded atiixp when you shouldent of?
[07:04] <jontec> Dr_willis: yes... I did 'modprobe atiixp' (atiixp is supposed to be installed)
[07:05] <jontec> Dr_willis: instead of snd-atiixp
[07:05] <Dr_willis> snd-atiixp is the sound card module for the atiixp 'chipset' I would think you would load them both..
[07:05] <d0uglas> i'm a debian guy... is there an apt-get equiv with kubunutu
[07:05] <Dr_willis> atiixp seems to be ide controller card drivers modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/atiixp.ko
[07:06] <Dr_willis> d0dge,  apt-get equiv ?
[07:06] <d0uglas> ... or maybe there is apt-get itself?
[07:06] <Dr_willis> kubuntu uses 'apt-get install whatebver 'and so forth
[07:06] <d0uglas> lol similar irc nicks
[07:06] <jontec> Dr_willis: but wasn't it already loaded? and since modprobe automatically detects whether or not it should load/unload the module... didn't it unload it?
[07:06] <d0uglas> well cool okay then
[07:06] <Dr_willis> You are making kubuntu  too hard.   :)
[07:07] <Dr_willis> jontec,  check the lsmod command..
[07:07] <Dr_willis> jontec,  when in doubt.. ya could reboot. i guess
[07:07] <jontec> Dr_willis: won't it prevent it from booting? O.O
[07:07] <jontec> or are they loaded automatically at startup?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> jontec,  modprobe does NOT make somthing boot autimatically at bootup
[07:08] <Dr_willis> i just did a modprobe atiixp,
[07:08] <Dr_willis> the module is loaded.. so its in memory.. nothing is using it.
[07:08] <Dr_willis> rmmod atiixp
[07:08] <Dr_willis> removed it
[07:08] <Dr_willis> lsmod | grep ati  :) shows it there then gone.
[07:09] <jontec> Dr_willis: ooooh... I was thinking that modprobe did what rmmod does... gotcha
[07:09] <Dr_willis> IF the hardware is there.. then the system installed/should of seen and loaded the module at boottime
[07:09] <Dr_willis> if for some reason its not loading the module automaticially at boot when it should.. you can force it to load it.
[07:10] <Dr_willis> if it was loading a module it SHOULD NOT be loading.. there are ways to make it not do that also.
[07:10] <Dr_willis> so.... err... what is the Actual problem anyway jontec  ? :)
[07:11] <Dr_willis> befor i go to sleep  its 1 am here
[07:11] <jontec> Dr_willis: well about a month (possible plus a half) ago I was following a tutorial and removed the sound card setup installed by ubuntu... the sound and mixer and everything worked, but no sound... I tried all of the different settings... (now I'm thinking I had the wrong driver)
[07:12] <jontec> Dr_willis: so what I just did was download the drivers, tools, and utils for alsa x.xx.13... and am trying to fix it... I remember having this problem before
[07:12] <d0uglas> installing kubuntu on my momma's laptop without her consent :)
[07:12] <jontec> Dr_willis: the problem with the modprobe I mean..
[07:13] <jontec> Dr_willis: link: http://speeves.unt.edu/newindex/?p=211 (same chipset)
[07:14] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. over my head then im guessing.  Ive not had to mess with the alsa stuff in ages.. gotta love using Creative SB sound cards...
[07:15] <jontec> Dr_willis: okay... do you know if there's any step that I need to go through before running the modprobe? I just did the ./configure and (sudo, when necessary) make install
[07:15] <jontec> s
[07:15] <Dr_willis> shouldent be.  if everything installed/compiled right
[07:17] <Dr_willis> seems you may need to mess with the volume sliders after the first reboot to get things unmuted
[07:17] <jontec> hmmm... I don't see why it shouldn't have... oh and laptop is only running at 800MHz throughout the whole modprobe... (I don't think this will be a problem... went to 2GHz during the make and make installs)
[07:17] <jontec> Dr_willis: okay
[07:17] <jontec> Dr_willis: I'll try a quick reboot
[07:18] <Dr_willis> well i gotta go to ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......... land. :)
[07:18] <jontec> anything to add before I go?
[07:18] <Dr_willis> night
[07:18] <Dr_willis> good luck
[07:18] <Dr_willis> heh.
[07:18] <Dr_willis> when in doubt.. read/take notes/learn
[07:18] <jontec> Dr_willis: okay, then... I'll see what I cand, thanks :D
[07:22] <genii> q
[07:28] <christopher> how can I set how many bpp I want my desktop to be at?
[07:28] <christopher> i want to run doom3 but I need 24 bpp apparently, but i have no idea where to set it
[07:31] <flaccid> haha bye bye
[07:44] <smaggard> haha bye bye
[07:45] <jean-b> hello, i wish to add dictionnaries in other languages in OpenOffice
[07:46] <jean-b> what should i do?
[07:46] <smaggard> download the dictionaries in the desired language and install them
[07:46] <jean-b> do you know where those dics can be downloaded?
[07:47] <smaggard> hmmm
[07:47] <smaggard> !openoffice dictionaries
[07:47] <jean-b> come on ubot
[07:49] <smaggard> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries
[07:59] <manchicken> You could install them through adept.
[08:24] <jean-b> hi there
[08:24] <jean-b> do you know how to set a player in amule?
[08:33] <james> hello all
[08:33] <pradalover> how can i join efnet
[08:34] <sparr> is there a proper way to downgrade to an old version of a package in ubuntu?
[08:41] <firecrotch> !top
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about top - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <firecrotch> !uptime
[08:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uptime - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:42] <flaccid> they are not packages, firecrotch
[08:42] <firecrotch> Can anyone tell me what the "load average" numbers from the 'top' and 'uptime' commands mean?
[08:42] <flaccid> man top
[08:42] <flaccid> man uptime
[08:42] <firecrotch> flaccid: read those.  Not very helpful really
[08:43] <flaccid> firecrotch: thats about all you got
[08:43] <firecrotch> All I'd really like to know is what are reasonable values
[08:44] <LobsterWing> hey gow do i start a program after i installed it in kubuntu
[08:44] <notech> iirc the load averages were times of 5, 10 and 15 minutes...but i could be wrong
[08:44] <sparr> given the choice between downgrading to an old ubuntu package or upgrading to a new debian package, which would you prefer?
[08:45] <flaccid> its a good question
[08:45] <flaccid> i still dont know and i been on nix for years
[08:45] <flaccid> sparr: new
[08:45] <flaccid> firecrotch: this will explaing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#Load_calculation_under_Unix.28-like.29_systems
[08:46] <firecrotch> flaccid: thanks
[08:46] <leafw> !beryl
[08:46] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:47] <flaccid> np
[08:48] <leafw> any clues on why xorg runs at 1400x1050, but beryl only up to about 1280x1024 or so ?
[08:48] <leafw> beryl with xgl that is
[08:48] <firecrotch> So basically for my server, if it goes above 1.00, there is going to be a slow down caused by the load
[08:50] <flaccid> firecrotch: i don't know
[08:51] <flaccid> whatever that wiki page said :)
[08:51] <firecrotch> I was just relaying it to you... sorta summarizing it :)
[08:51] <flaccid> technically any load will slow down the system albeit marginally
[08:51] <flaccid> ok
[08:51] <ubuntu> hey everyone
[08:52] <ubuntu> I really need some help... im running Kubuntu 6.06, ive been using it for a while now.. learning as i go, but when i turned it on today i got a busy box message
[08:52] <ubuntu> can't acess tty; job control turned off
[08:52] <electuZ> hi all
[08:53] <ubuntu> im running live from the cd so i can get some help
[08:53] <ubuntu> anyone got any ideas?
[08:53] <animimotus> hi
[08:54] <ubuntu> hi animimotus
[08:54] <animimotus> by defaut a new user appart to what groups please?
[08:54] <animimotus> I have prob with /etc/skel
[08:56] <ubuntu> is there anyone here that can help a noob
[08:57] <animimotus> ubuntu: could you do a for me please just a test ? sudo adduser test && echo "test appart to :" && groups test && sudo deluser test
[08:57] <ubuntu> i cant because im running live off the cd, im in some serious trouble with mine right now
[08:57] <animimotus> ubuntu: sure, what's you question?
[08:58] <ubuntu> when i try to boot, i get a busybox error...  can't acess tty; job control turned off
[08:58] <ubuntu> ive never seen busy box before this
[08:58] <ubuntu> always happens after it says, mounting root file system
[09:00] <ubuntu> any ideas?
[09:00] <animimotus> ubuntu: I can't help, no idea :\
[09:00] <ubuntu> its all good.. thanks though
[09:01] <ubuntu> this seems to be a fairly unknown error
[09:08] <brunojoselebeau> salut
[09:13] <dwidmann> ubuntu, that error could be murder to track down. This is one of those times where I'd recommend a reinstall rather than trying to fix the problem (and there aren't many occasions where I would)
[09:17] <jerry_liu> hello
[09:23] <KorN[CM] > are there any dmraid gurus out there??? I'm having LOADS of trouble installing it
[09:45] <LobsterWing> how do you open a backup file?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> grrr why does frostwire not pick up my java?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> I have blackdown AND sun java
[09:46] <ForgeAus> (sun is 1.5 blackdown seems to be 1.4
[09:46] <ForgeAus> frostwire complains it finds 1.4 but doesn't even seem to look for 1.5
[09:46] <ForgeAus> can I fix it somehow?
[09:47] <heinkel_111> Good morning :-)
[09:47] <monsterb> ForgeAus you need to create a symbolic linik to java 1.5
[09:48] <ForgeAus> I tried that
[09:48] <ForgeAus> where?
[09:48] <ForgeAus> I put one in usr/java (to jre of sunjava)
[09:49] <heinkel_111> this is radically cool, I managed to set up so that I can access my (home) kubuntu server from my windows laptop and run applications in K windows :D
[09:49] <ForgeAus> or should it have been the main dir of sunjava? I don't know
[09:49] <monsterb> ForgeAus does frostwire have a plugin dir
[09:49] <ForgeAus> possibly
[09:49] <ForgeAus> but I can't even run frostwire
[09:49] <ForgeAus> I'm not even sure if its installed
[09:49] <ForgeAus> (I do have an icon to it tho)
[09:50] <heinkel_111> the only thing I am missing is my desktop components...how can i start the Kmenu, the panel etc from a ssh with X-fowarding
[09:50] <heinkel_111> ?
[09:50] <monsterb> type frostwire at command line
[09:50] <ForgeAus> thats when it complains it needs sun java
[09:50] <ForgeAus> 1.5+
[09:50] <ForgeAus> (it only finds blackdown 1.4)
[09:50] <ForgeAus> in the konsole
[09:50] <ForgeAus> if I run it from the K-menu it does absolutely nothing
[09:51] <ForgeAus> maybe my sym link is pointing to/from the wrong place?
[09:51] <ForgeAus> whats it meant to be? I was just guessing when I did it
[09:54] <monsterb> ForgeAus it should point to /usr/local/java/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[09:54] <ForgeAus> uh?
[09:54] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure I got that.. brb checking
[09:55] <ForgeAus> nope I don't
[09:55] <ForgeAus> according to adept I got sun-java-bin and jre installed...
[09:55] <ForgeAus> wait plugin? um damn can't go back and see if thats there
[09:56] <ForgeAus> but if it is wouldn't it be in firefox or mozilla?
[09:56] <ForgeAus> sun java installed into /usr/lib/jvm mostly
[09:59] <Nooby> Hey guys..
[09:59] <Nooby> anyone knows how to install Flash Player ??
[09:59] <ForgeAus> why does it say LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/squeak/3.7-7/npsqueak.so [/usr/lib/squeak/3.7-7/npsqueak.so: undefined symbol: XtStrings] ?
[10:00] <ForgeAus> squeak isn't java!
[10:00] <ForgeAus> is it?
[10:00] <Nooby> ??
[10:00] <monsterb> ForgeAus not sure
[10:01] <Nooby> Experts.. help me out here.
[10:01] <nobias> nooby - install firefox
[10:01] <nobias> and it should automatically install flash plugins
[10:01] <nobias> when you enter a site with flash
[10:02] <Nooby> it doesnt :(
[10:02] <ForgeAus> adept also has flash plugin depending on what repositories are installed
[10:02] <Nooby> let me try again.
[10:02] <ForgeAus> erm pointing to more than installed
[10:02] <monsterb> Nooby did you download flash 9?
[10:02] <Nooby> let me try the automatic installation
[10:02] <ForgeAus> nope doesn't seem like I have the plugin :(
[10:03] <monsterb> Nooby auto does not work
[10:03] <Nooby> monster so what should I do ?
[10:03] <ForgeAus> GRRRR I installed java from sun but the browser says I dont have it! thats wierd...
[10:03] <nobias> general question : why does a clean install of kubuntu use almost 60%+ of my RAM whereas a clean install of ubuntu uses only 10%~
[10:04] <ForgeAus> its there but nothing picks it up
[10:04] <monsterb> Nooby download flash9 in tgz - http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash
[10:04] <monsterb> Nooby extract tgz and run installer
[10:05] <Nooby> monsterb, let me try.
[10:06] <nobias>  is KDE supposed to be very processor ram heavy vs gnome?
[10:06] <joey_> Any body know how to install theme
[10:06] <joey_> ?
[10:06] <joey_> Any body
[10:07] <joey_> How to install KDE theme
[10:07] <monsterb> Nooby after extracting you can drop libflashplayer.so in your firefox plugin directory instead of installing.
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> nobias: slighlty less than gnome
[10:07] <joey_> well i'am new to KDE
[10:07] <Linux_Galore> joey_: easy, if its a theme tarball you just install it via kcontrol
[10:07] <Nooby> ok monsterb, thanks let me try
[10:08] <joey_> whats kcontrol?
[10:08] <Nooby> for some reason I am not able to download.. can anyone send me here :/
[10:08] <joey_> lol
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> joey_: press ctrl alt F2  then type kcontrol
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> oops  alt F2  sorry
[10:08] <joey_> then
[10:08] <joey_> thx!
[10:08] <nobias> shot in the dark here, has anyone installed k/ubuntu on a sony S460 laptop?
[10:08] <Linux_Galore> joey_: look under look and feel
[10:09] <joey_> yeah
[10:09] <monsterb> Nooby on Adobe site - right click on tgz - save as
[10:10] <Nooby> its weird, really slow speed on download.. 2 kbps :(
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> joey_: if you get a theme of window theme or icon theme from kde-look.org  they often have a install link to tell you what to do
[10:10] <joey_> what version?
[10:10] <joey_> yeah
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> s/of/or/
[10:10] <Linux_Galore> !flash
[10:10] <joey_> KDE 3.0
[10:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:10] <joey_> -  KDE 3.1
[10:10] <joey_> -  KDE 3.2 - 3.5
[10:10] <joey_> -  KDE 4.0
[10:10] <joey_> -  GTK 1.x
[10:10] <joey_> -  Theme-Manager
[10:10] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:10] <joey_> ??
[10:10] <joey_> what
[10:11] <ForgeAus> can I get firefox to autoinstall sun java plugin?
[10:11] <joey_> KDE 3.0
[10:11] <joey_> -  KDE 3.1
[10:11] <joey_> -  KDE 3.2 - 3.5
[10:11] <joey_> -  KDE 4.0
[10:11] <joey_> -  GTK 1.x
[10:11] <joey_> -  Theme-Manager
[10:11] <joey_> What NOW!
[10:11] <Linux_Galore> joey_: stop spamming you will get banned
[10:11] <joey_> is it 3.2?
[10:11] <joey_> yeah
[10:11] <monsterb> !flash9 | Nooby
[10:11] <ubotu> Nooby: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:11] <ForgeAus> or do I have to do it with a tarball?
[10:11] <joey_> is it KDE 3.1
[10:12] <Linux_Galore> joey_: ??
[10:12] <Nooby> ubotu, what are backports & !flash :S ??
[10:12] <joey_> I'am at KDE look
[10:12] <joey_> but I don't know what to download
[10:13] <joey_> Please help
[10:13] <Linux_Galore> joey_:  learn patience
[10:13] <monsterb> joey_ most likely you have kde 3.55
[10:13] <joey_> thx
[10:14] <monsterb> !ssh
[10:14] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[10:14] <Linux_Galore> joey_: any kde 3.X style will work
[10:15] <joey_> ok
[10:15] <ForgeAus> ahh fixed it!
[10:15] <Linux_Galore> joey_: in actual fact a theme is made of four components  the 1, style  2. icons set 3. Windows decorations 4. colour , you can mix and match them
[10:16] <joey_> yep
[10:16] <joey_> I know just like int ubuntu
[10:16] <ForgeAus> I switched the link directory to the one above it
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> joey_: I usually install the parts, that way I can manage each one
[10:16] <joey_> :)
[10:16] <joey_> thx
[10:16] <Linux_Galore> joey_: if you look in "Look and Feel" in kcontrol there is a section for each one of those things
[10:17] <joey_> yep
[10:17] <joey_> I think I like clasic
[10:17] <monsterb> ForgeAus cool
[10:18] <Linux_Galore> joey_: I prefere serenity  -> http://users.tpg.com.au/abdserv6/serenity1.png
[10:18] <stamen> hi
[10:18] <stamen> how to check ext3
[10:19] <joey_> ok
[10:19] <stamen> partitions
[10:19] <stamen> fschk ?
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> stamen: for what ??
[10:19] <stamen> for errors
[10:19] <stamen> lets say
[10:19] <Linux_Galore> stamen:  fsck.ext3
[10:20] <joey_> aw do i install color skin
[10:20] <stamen> ok
[10:20] <Linux_Galore> joey_: you shouldnt really have to ubuntu comes with heaps already
[10:20] <joey_> got it
[10:20] <joey_> hehehe
[10:21] <Linux_Galore> joey_: what i do is select one thats very close then just adjust it
[10:21] <joey_> kk
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> joey_: there is also a few themes on the kubuntu repo, look in adept
[10:22] <joey_> ok
[10:22] <joey_> but i dont have kubuntu repo
[10:22] <joey_> just ubuntu
[10:22] <Linux_Galore> joey_: thing they are called   kde-style-<theme-name>
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> joey_: same thing
[10:23] <joey_> i'll try it
[10:23] <kaatil> hi all, i have question, how to upgrade to edgy from apt-get?
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> think*
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: dont
[10:23] <kaatil> oh?
[10:23] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: if you asking that question dont do it
[10:23] <kaatil> ah ok :3
[10:24] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: trust me Ive been working with Linux for over 8 years and it took me 9 days to get it all working after an update
[10:24] <kaatil> i see
[10:24] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: save yourself allot of time and backup /home  and do a fresh install
[10:25] <monsterb> Linux_Galore, kaatil, i had the same problem with edgy this time.
[10:26] <kaatil> ah ok, i will keep that in mind, thanks.
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: there are a few methods to do the update
[10:26] <kaatil> ah
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: just beware things have a habbit of breaking
[10:26] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: some people get lucky and it work
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> s
[10:27] <Linux_Galore> I have yet to get a single update that works
[10:27] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me adding deb-source for feisty (Im using edgy but need to get newer dmraid)
[10:28] <kaatil> heck.. i remember back in the day when something break i has to reinstall... one time when i has this computer name goes blank... my ubuntu wont work anymore even i cant use administor thing. heh
[10:28] <kaatil> one thing i have to be careful for, not to put computer name blank.
[10:29] <kaatil> oops i mean by hostname/domain name.. whatever it is
[10:29] <YumeNoEien> Hi everyone
[10:29] <kaatil> hi Yume
[10:29] <YumeNoEien> Whats up :)
[10:29] <kaatil> nada
[10:30] <YumeNoEien> cool =3
[10:30] <kaatil> nothing much, just being curious about edgy of kubuntu.
[10:30] <YumeNoEien> your not a user yet?
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: always try kdesu update-manager -c
[10:30] <Linux_Galore> kaatil: need the edgy cd though
[10:30] <YumeNoEien> im new to edgy myself :p
[10:30] <kaatil> ooooooh
[10:30] <kaatil> i see
[10:30] <kaatil> i think about burn cd for edgy
[10:31] <kaatil> athough not now.
[10:32] <YumeNoEien> linux_Galore: if i set an alias in the CLI, is it removed after i reboot? and if so, how do i get it to stay?
[10:32] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: yep
[10:32] <kaatil> well you can bother to setup a startup script to add all aliases automatically. :p
[10:33] <kaatil> i guess. :)
[10:33] <YumeNoEien> kaatil: how do i do that?
[10:33] <kaatil> have you heard of bash script?
[10:33] <YumeNoEien> ive read it here and there but im not quite sure what it is
[10:34] <Nooby> guys where can I download the codecs?
[10:34] <Nooby> for mp3 and divx.
[10:35] <kaatil> ah
[10:35] <Nooby> Kaatil, kidhar kay ho ??
[10:35] <kaatil> eh?
[10:35] <YumeNoEien> hes calling you a ho
[10:35] <YumeNoEien> !!
[10:35] <Nooby> lol
[10:35] <heinkel_111> !restricted formats
[10:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:35] <YumeNoEien> xD
[10:35] <kaatil> well i am a man, how can you call me that 'ho?' :)
[10:35] <heinkel_111> ^^ kaatil
[10:35] <kaatil> i thougth that word is for woman. :3
[10:36] <Nooby> kaatil where u from, kaatils an urdu word meaning murderer.
[10:36] <kaatil> ah yeah... kaatil heh
[10:36] <heinkel_111> !restricted formats >kaatil
[10:36] <kaatil> indian thing yeah
[10:36] <YumeNoEien> lol, as if ho wasnt bad enough
[10:36] <kaatil> i know
[10:36] <kaatil> someone told me about it, Nooby
[10:36] <stamen> !xgl
[10:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:36] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: just add them to the ~/.bashrc  file
[10:37] <kaatil> i just thought of 'kaatil' but i didnt know that it actually mean murderer in different language. :)
[10:37] <YumeNoEien> kaatil: how do i set up a startup script to add my aliasses automatically?
[10:37] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: just add them to the ~/.bashrc  file
[10:37] <YumeNoEien> cool thank Linux_
[10:38] <kaatil> :3
[10:38] <kaatil> well.. linux_galore saves my neck.
[10:38] <kaatil> athough i dont know how to add it to startup.. atleast i know now. :p
[10:39] <YumeNoEien> the .bashrc in root right?
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: no  ~/  means /home/user_name
[10:40] <DettoAltrimenti> I am trying to connect to a wireless router on kubuntu, but it requires a username and password: where do I put the username and password? also, the connection should be PPPoE I think, if that's important
[10:40] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: every user has his own  .bashrc  file in their home directory
[10:40] <kaatil> yeah go to console and type '~' you will see that it point to your home
[10:40] <kaatil> yeah
[10:41] <YumeNoEien> Linux_Galore: oh okay thanks ^^
[10:42] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: never edit the system settings when you can do it in the users settings, it has a habbit of biting you in the ass
[10:42] <YumeNoEien> Linux_Galore: lol, il keep that in mind :)
[10:43] <YumeNoEien> btw i found the file in the CLI but not in GUI, even though its there
[10:43] <YumeNoEien> how do i edit it?
[10:43] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: also copy the .bashrc  file before you edit it, in fact also  copy your  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file   too in case you stuff up your desktop settings and cant get back
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: kdesu kate
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: sorry just kate
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: any editor will do
[10:44] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: its just a text file
[10:44] <YumeNoEien> k, il cope the firectory and then try editing the .bash
[10:45] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: just copy the file  .bashrc  ie type   cp  .bashrc  bashrc-bak
[10:46] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien: alt F2,  then  cp   ~/.bashrc  bashrc-bak ,   should do it
[10:47] <YumeNoEien> LinuxGalore i cant see he textfilre, the CLI says its in the home dir, but if im in Konquerer i cant see it
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> YumeNoEien:  aah click on View  then show hidden files
[10:47] <Linux_Galore> in konqueror
[10:48] <stamen> hi
[10:48] <stamen> I folowed the how to for setting XGL server
[10:49] <stamen> but it is not loaded
[10:49] <stamen> how to load it
[10:49] <stamen> !xgl
[10:49] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[10:49] <stamen> http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez -> I made this
[10:49] <nuxil> hi all
[10:49] <Linux_Galore> stamen: I would help you but I know its unstable and breaks allot so i wont
[10:50] <stamen> but the script which is written musn't be thre
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> stamen: you will be beack in 2 days asking how to turn it of
[10:50] <stamen> aaa, ok
[10:50] <stamen> so not to do XGL
[10:50] <Linux_Galore> stamen: no its still experimental
[10:51] <stamen> aa, ok when its final I will install it
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> stamen: not everything works and it can make you machine crash like clockwork
[10:51] <stamen> :)
[10:51] <stamen> ok
[10:51] <stamen> I won't install it
[10:51] <stamen> 10x
[10:51] <YumeNoEien> done
[10:52] <Linux_Galore> stamen: if you want to play with xgl go get a live cd thats does it ie knoppix, trust me 15 minutes and you will be yawning
[10:52] <nuxil> i have a questuion,, my isp's dns is down.. well i cant browse sites with hostname only with ip.. but my question is realy.. howcome i can ping hostname?  like i can ping vg.no to get the ip,, then i open my browser to connect with that ip..
[10:52] <KorN[CM] > nuxil use a different dns
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > http://www.opendns.com/
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > for example
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > nuxil
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > ^^
[10:53] <nuxil> lol
[10:53] <nuxil> ok
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > ah u need the ip :P
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > lol
[10:53] <nuxil> just need to ping the site first :P
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > 208.67.219.39
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > there ya go
[10:53] <KorN[CM] > http://208.67.219.39
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: 4.4.4.2   instant dns
[10:54] <nuxil> alright.. let me look into that..
[10:54] <nuxil> thanks guys
[10:55] <nuxil> but you didnt answer my question :P
[10:55] <nuxil>  howcome i can ping hostname?
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: never set both the dns addresses as the isp's  use a publuc one and your isp's
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: cached address
[10:55] <nuxil> ic
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: try something you havent visited recently
[10:56] <nuxil> so let me try with that 4.4.4.2
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: you can also use opendns    208.67.222.222   or 208.67.220.220
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> thats what i usually use, the isp's dns sux
[11:03] <nuxil> Linux_Galore, so does mine
[11:04] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: pretty normal, they usually have some semi retired machine running a dns server
[11:05] <nuxil> hey.. that dns worked strait away :)
[11:05] <nuxil> thank you
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: what one
[11:05] <nuxil>  208.67.222.222
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> aaah yeah, opendsn,  they also filter crap too
[11:05] <Linux_Galore> opendns*
[11:06] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: http://www.opendns.com/
[11:07] <nuxil> yea,, KorN[CM]   posted it before your 4.4.4.2
[11:07] <nuxil> which didnt work..
[11:07] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: I find the isps also dont cache the old domains well when people forget to register them and that fall of the registry,  opendns keep the old domains for a while
[11:08] <nuxil> thats good..  i'll start to use opendns from now on ;D
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: down side is when our domain didnt get re registered we didnt know for a week  lol
[11:09] <Linux_Galore> nuxil: our IT contractor fsked up and forgot to get us to pay the once every 3 year fee
[11:11] <nuxil> hehe..
[11:11] <Linux_Galore> people rang us up and said, I cant connect to your home page" the help people being bright sparks just typed in the url for our home page and bingo there is was
[11:11] <Linux_Galore> it*
[11:13] <Linux_Galore> I was on holiday and I had to ring work to tell them the domain had fallen of the internet and to talk to the IT guy
[11:14] <nuxil> well.. im considering changing my isp.. cos this is the 2nd time this year this has happend.. i lost track how many times it happend last year,,
[11:14] <nuxil> but luckley you came to my rescue :P
[11:17] <ForgeAus> bbl
[11:17] <YmueNoEien> argh
[11:17] <YumeNoEien> better
[11:18] <YumeNoEien> okay so ive learned cd ls mv rm and alias. Does anyone know any commands i might want to learn next?
[11:19] <YumeNoEien> :o 327 ppl afk? lol
[11:19] <YumeNoEien> ^^
[11:20] <eaf> hello
[11:20] <eaf> what is the last kubuntu version ??
[11:21] <dwidmann> Ubuntu = Edgy, KDE = 3.5.6
[11:22] <dwidmann> YumeOnGoogle: cut, sed, vim, cp, grep, less/more, cat, head, tail....
[11:23] <dwidmann> YumeOnGoogle: Oh, and don't forget about man, good command
[11:23] <eaf> the kubuntu only cd or can i find dvd ??
[11:23] <eaf> with a lot of software
[11:23] <YumeOnGoogle> dwidmann: thanks
[11:24] <YumeOnGoogle> dwidmann: ill man those commands right now
[11:26] <dwidmann> eaf: dvd is available
[11:27] <YumeOnMan> dwidmann: i dont understand what the cut command is for, is it do display content of text files?
[11:28] <dwidmann> YumeOnMan: cut is for taking apart input that was sent to the command, and displaying only a portion of it (or sending that portion as the input into another command, via a | (pipe)
[11:28] <dwidmann> example: (one sec)
[11:28] <YumeOnMan> k
[11:31] <Ace2016> Hi all
[11:31] <YumeNoEien> hi Ace
[11:31] <YumeNoEien> bye Ace
[11:32] <dwidmann> An elaborate example:
[11:32] <dwidmann> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'cpu MHz' | head -1 | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | cut -d '.' -f 1
[11:33] <dwidmann> or better yet, even more elaborate:
[11:33] <dwidmann> echo `cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'cpu MHz' | head -1 | cut -d : -f 2 | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | cut -d '.' -f 1`MHz
[11:33] <YumeNoEien> o.O
[11:33] <YumeNoEien> i think i should have told you
[11:33] <zyth> hehe
[11:34] <YumeNoEien> i started learning working with the CLI since the day before yesterday
[11:34] <dwidmann> No better way to learn then to try to dive off the deep end :O
[11:34] <YumeNoEien> that looks VERY intimidating to a beginner like me :)
[11:34] <YumeNoEien> haha true true
[11:34] <zyth> man's favourite term - #!/bin/sh ;)
[11:34] <dwidmann> echo = print text on the screen
[11:35] <zyth> cat = list file contents
[11:35] <dwidmann> the | is used to send input from one command into another
[11:35] <dwidmann> grep = search for text in a file
[11:35] <zyth> to a dvice... default is display
[11:35] <YumeNoEien> Ah now it makes sense!
[11:35] <YumeNoEien> wait im gonna copy paste this into a .txt
[11:36] <zyth> you can also grep a file for terms and send it to a file via >
[11:36] <dwidmann> the head command (or tail command) lets you pick how many lines from the start(or the end) of a file you want to display, so head -1 = show the first line
[11:36] <zyth> grep foo foo.bar > foo.txt
[11:37] <dwidmann> the cut command lets you cut a line (or lines) of text at a certain space, seperating it into fields, so lets say you seperate at a colon, you'd have a field to the left of the colon, and a field to the right
[11:38] <dwidmann> And if it helps any, I taught myself how to do this spontaneously when I wanted to edit something that was in what might as well have been greek.
[11:39] <dwidmann> Coming up with that single golden line for that applet took me hours, and it only takes me about 30 seconds to a minute now :)
[11:41] <YumeNoEien> lol
[11:41] <YumeNoEien> okay im gonna try and use that command right now
[11:42] <YumeNoEien> wait, you guys keep mentioning a 'file', what is this file?
[11:42] <dwidmann> Well, file is a really generic term. EVERYTHING in *NIX is a file.
[11:42] <Ace2016> Hi YumeNoEien
[11:43] <YumeNoEien> hi Ace
[11:43] <harmental> hi everybody....i keep getting this recurrent problem with edgy....
[11:43] <dwidmann> In the case of the commands mentioned above, they also take straight text YumeNoEien
[11:43] <harmental> my swap disapears at every startup...
[11:43] <harmental> q
[11:43] <Ace2016> what do you mean disapears?
[11:43] <dwidmann> harmental: try using "sudo swapon <device>" and see what it says.
[11:43] <Ace2016> not mounted?
[11:44] <harmental> Ace2016: yeap...
[11:44] <harmental> dwidmann:
[11:44] <harmental> sudo swapon /dev/hda6 for instance?
[11:44] <dwidmann> Sure
[11:45] <harmental> dwidmann: swapon: /dev/hda6: Invalid argument
[11:45] <dwidmann> Hmm,
[11:45] <dwidmann> forgot about that
[11:45] <dwidmann> try sudo swapon -a
[11:46] <dwidmann> or better yet, -av (mount all swaps, be verbose)
[11:47] <harmental> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/2ca3f789-4f39-42ba-b776-d498b790b6d5: Invalid argument
[11:47] <harmental> (for the first...)
[11:47] <harmental> swapon on /dev/disk/by-uuid/2ca3f789-4f39-42ba-b776-d498b790b6d5
[11:47] <harmental> swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/2ca3f789-4f39-42ba-b776-d498b790b6d5: Invalid argument
[11:47] <harmental> for the second
[11:47] <harmental> (sorry for the flooding)
[11:48] <YumeNoEien> its okay now
[11:48] <YumeNoEien> :)
[11:48] <dwidmann> harmental, hmmm, that's odd/interesting, swapon -a said that?
[11:49] <harmental> dwidmann: yeap...invalid argument...
[11:49] <dwidmann> you only did "sudo swapon -av", not "sudo swapon -av /dev/hda6" right? (sorry if I wasn't clear)
[11:50] <harmental> dwidmann: yeap....sudo swapon -av
[11:50] <DettoAltrimenti> how can you connect to a wireless connection that requires a username and password?
[11:50] <dwidmann> harmental, I have an idea, though it might sound a bit extreme, should work though
[11:50] <YumeNoEien> DettoAltrimenti: im not knowledgeable about this but
[11:51] <YumeNoEien> shouldnt the login and pass be set in the settings of the modem
[11:51] <YumeNoEien> not sure though
[11:51] <harmental> dwidmann: im all ears...
[11:51] <DettoAltrimenti> well, my problem is the wireless utility connects to the router, doesn't prompt me for a username and password, and doesn't work
[11:51] <tom_> hi everyone
[11:52] <tom_> what's the package that has pam_syslog in kubuntu?
[11:52] <zyth> DettoAltrimenti: without setting up wpa_supplicant, I do believe only WEP is supported out of box
[11:52] <dwidmann> harmental, well, here's the procedure, in general. Boot with a live cd, delete the swap partition, recreate it. , edit your fstab to suit. See if it will work for you
[11:52] <DettoAltrimenti> in windows, I had to create a new broadband connection, and every time I restart my computer I have to 'log on' to this connection after I'm connected to the wireless connection
[11:53] <harmental> dwidmann: ok...i dont have a live CD....i should get one.......
[11:53] <zyth> mmm.new wine 0.9.30 deb
[11:54] <dwidmann> harmental, I would recommend it. Something like "SystemRescueDisk" or DSL would work if you have a lesser internet connection (Like me ...)
[11:54] <dwidmann> else, Knoppix or even Kubuntu makes for a good live cd.
[11:55] <dwidmann> Thinking of LIve CDs for rescue purposes & maximum functionality, Knoppix > Kubuntu
[11:56] <harmental> ok...in the meantime...how can i get the uuid of some drive?
[11:57] <zyth> whoa nwn segaults
[11:57] <zyth> haha
[11:57] <dwidmann> zyth, neverwinter nights ... I never did get around to it
[11:59] <dwidmann> !uuid
[11:59] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[11:59] <harmental> dwidmann: i think i understood what my problem is...The uuid ofr my swap partition changes at every startup.....
[11:59] <zyth> its segfaulting
[11:59] <zyth> I may not have SDL installed.. hmm
[11:59] <dwidmann> harmental: hmm, that's not good, set it such that it doesn't use uuid in fstab and see what happens.
[11:59] <dwidmann> libsdl1.2debian-all
[11:59] <dwidmann> I think
[12:01] <zyth> I hate adept.
[12:01] <zyth> sigh
[12:01] <zyth> its like utter crap compared to synaptic
[12:01] <YumeNoEien> use apt-get instead then :p
[12:02] <dwidmann> or aptitude
[12:02] <dwidmann> I recently swtiched to aptitude, mixed feelings on the matter.
[12:02] <pradalover> can anyone tell me how I am find an IRC user
[12:05] <dwidmann> pradalover, look at the list on the right?
[12:12] <dwidmann> whoa, 6:14am already :O
[12:15] <dwidmann> 26 hours so far, lets see how long I can keep this going :D
[12:22] <pradalover> #OperHelp
[12:30] <nagyv> how can I subscribe the wiki pages on the ubuntu wiki? ~~~~ doesn't work
[12:31] <JOSF> Any ideas how to load an image via DCOP into Krita ?
[12:31] <YumeNoEien> bye everyone
[12:36] <matt0507> kaffiene is giving me this error and cant play back my dvd, anyone know how to get it fixed?
[12:36] <matt0507> xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd://0.0] 
[12:36] <matt0507> xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd://0.0] 
[12:37] <nuxil> alright... i got a small problem.. im about to download edgy.. i just put my new mobo and graf card together,, installed winblows first i have.. however,, when i try to download the dvd iso. it stops after 2.2 MB. any ideas?
[12:37] <nuxil> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/edgy/release/
[12:37] <nuxil> is the site im trying to dl from
[12:38] <andreasw> maybe try another mirror
[12:39] <nuxil> i tryed this one too.. http://nginyang.uvt.nl/kubuntu/edgy/ same thing happend here.. 2.2 MB is only downloaded
[12:39] <andreasw> with which program do you download the iso
[12:39] <nuxil> firefox
[12:39] <andreasw> just tested it and I can download more that 2.2mb
[12:40] <nuxil> firefox 2
[12:40] <dwidmann> matt0507, I was just talking about that yesterday, and I know of a thread where a person solved that very problem :)
[12:40] <andreasw> nuxil: hmm already tried it with another webbrowser?
[12:40] <andreasw> nuxil: or a download manager
[12:40] <nuxil> i got no other browsers
[12:41] <andreasw> you are downloading from windows or linux?
[12:41] <nuxil> this is the beast eddition of windows xp.. firefox 1.5 is the only browser in it,, i upgraded it to 2 tho
[12:41] <nuxil> winblows
[12:41] <andreasw> IE is also included in every windows
[12:41] <sf_> what is the command to restart kde? i can't remember its something like sudo /etc/initd?/5 start
[12:41] <nuxil> andreasw, NOT in this one :D
[12:41] <andreasw> sf_: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:42] <andreasw> nuxil: maybe you have that problem with every download
[12:42] <nuxil> andreasw, no i dont.
[12:42] <nuxil> andreasw, i just dl the newest nvidia drivers and its way bigger than 2,2 MB
[12:43] <johnn> the windows firewall blocks the download of linux iso images *scnr*
[12:43] <andreasw> johnn: rofl
[12:43] <nuxil> lol
[12:43] <andreasw> nuxil: Well I have no idea whats wrong than You download the i386 image or the 64bit one?
[12:43] <johnn> nuxil there is wget for windows maybe you try it with that..
[12:44] <nuxil> andreasw, 64 bit version
[12:44] <andreasw> ok I only tested the 32 bit ^^
[12:44] <nuxil> johnn, oh,, nice,., i'll try that
[12:44] <matt0507> dwidmann:  woudl you please tell me where to find your mentioned thread?
[12:44] <dwidmann> nuxil: 32 bit drivers won't work with the 64-bit kernel. Period.
[12:44] <dwidmann> matt0507, I'm digging it up
[12:45] <andreasw> dwidmann: at least for nvidia there are 64bit drivers
[12:45] <nuxil> dwidmann, hu? what are you talking about.
[12:45] <johnn> nuxil http://www.christopherlewis.com/WGet/WGetFiles.htm this is kind of official site for windows builds
[12:46] <nuxil> dwidmann im not talking about drivers..
[12:46] <andreasw> hehe
[12:46] <sf_> i'm runing edgy can i get the new kde 3.5.6?
[12:46] <dwidmann> sounds like the nvidia drivers were mentioned, so I felt inclined to say something, or somethingl.
[12:47] <nuxil> heh ok..
[12:47] <dwidmann> Don't look at me, I haven't slept in 27 hours, and I don't plan to anytime soon.
[12:47] <johnn> sf_ yes http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[12:47] <sf_> dwidmann: lol ^_^
[12:47] <dwidmann> matt0507: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234007&highlight=libdvdcss2
[12:49] <matt0507> dwidmann: ty, i'll check it out :)
[12:49] <dwidmann> be warned, the upgrade path to kde-3.5.6 isn't exactly what I would call smooth.
[12:50] <andreasw> whats so wrong with 3.5.5 so everybody wants to upgrade to 3.5.6?
[12:51] <matt0507> i believe there are always bug fixes, security etc.. and stuff with new versions,
[12:52] <dwidmann> andreasw: kde3.5.6 = LOTS of bugfixes
[12:53] <andreasw> dwidmann: and new bugs ^^
[12:53] <sf_> andreasw: i just want the latest ..
[12:53] <andreasw> sf_: versionitis
[12:53] <dwidmann> andreasw: lets hope there aren't too many of those. Wishful thinking never hurt anybody (much)
[12:53] <andreasw> dwidmann: kubuntu has more bugs in kde as debian so I think it's not the fault of 3.5.5
[12:54] <andreasw> dwidmann: for example the annoying kwallet bug...
[12:54] <nuxil> YAY.. wget dosnt stop :) thanks johnn
[12:54] <sf_> andreasw: that bug is funny HEHE
[12:54] <sf_> andreasw: it makes me not switch of my pc
[12:54] <andreasw> hehe
[12:54] <weedar> Is there a program that will show which video and audio codec a video file uses?
[12:55] <dwidmann> weedar: file <filename>
[12:55] <weedar> excellent dwidmann, thanks =)
[12:56] <dwidmann> weedar: no problem
[12:56] <sf_> andreasw: anyways cya i need to restart to put a cdrom-rw to write egdy for my bro because when he installed windows it broke his kubuntu for like the 10th time
[12:57] <andreasw> sf_: cya
[12:57] <sf_> .... it always says can't acess tty and starts to run in some type of ramdisk
[01:02] <extern> how can I see my CPU usage?
[01:03] <toxidas> hi,
[01:03] <toxidas> i need some supprt
[01:04] <toxidas> i have edgyeft andi've upgrade to kde3.5.6
[01:05] <dwidmann> extern: kmenu->system->ksysguard
[01:05] <dwidmann> toxidas: yes?
[01:05] <toxidas> and i've messed up ith libfontconfig1
[01:05] <toxidas> and almost all my packages are brokn now
[01:06] <dwidmann> perhaps a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure libfontconfig1" is in order?
[01:06] <toxidas> running now 1 sec pls
[01:07] <toxidas> it runned and returne bac to console didn't say anything
[01:07] <toxidas> is it supposed to be ok now?
[01:07] <dwidmann> Hmm, see if everything is broken now?
[01:07] <toxidas> looking now...
[01:07] <dwidmann> That reconfigured the libfontconfig1 package ...
[01:08] <toxidas> synaptic says i have 150 broken packages
[01:08] <toxidas> :((
[01:08] <dwidmann> hmm, what would "sudo apt-get -f install" do?
[01:08] <toxidas> 1 sec..
[01:09] <toxidas> Unable to correct dependencies
[01:09] <toxidas> it says
[01:09] <dwidmann> does it say which ones?
[01:10] <dwidmann> also try to use "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade", several times, over and over again until it decides it can't do anything more (more or less how I went about (most of) my upgrade, which didn't exactly go over too smooth.
[01:10] <toxidas> can i send you an output if i can how? there's so many
[01:10] <dwidmann> Sure
[01:10] <dwidmann> !paste
[01:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:10] <Jucato> !pastebin
[01:12] <toxidas> i'm getting the pastebin
[01:13] <toxidas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3183/plain/
[01:13] <toxidas> here's the output
[01:14] <dwidmann> hmm
[01:15] <toxidas> any chance to recover?
[01:15] <dwidmann> It says you have an old version of libfontconfig1
[01:15] <dwidmann> You need libfontconfig1 2.3+ from Edgy main.
[01:16] <toxidas> i've downloaded one but didn't install
[01:16] <KorN[CM] > are there any dmraid gurus out there??? I'm having LOADS of trouble with it ):
[01:16] <dwidmann> toxidas: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/libfontconfig1
[01:16] <zyth> omg I am dumb
[01:16] <dwidmann> KorN[CM] : I've fiddled with it before, what of it?
[01:17] <zyth> I spend an hour trying to figure out why nwn won't run
[01:17] <dwidmann> zyth, nice of you to be honest
[01:17] <KorN[CM] > dwidmann
[01:17] <zyth> and then I find out I applied the wrong patch
[01:17] <dwidmann> (just kidding)
[01:17] <zyth> I wanna go kick myself
[01:17] <KorN[CM] > it only shows up 1 device in /dev/mapper
[01:17] <KorN[CM] > not two
[01:17] <zyth> dwidmann: hehe, I feel that way right now
[01:17] <dwidmann> zyth: ouch
[01:18] <dwidmann> KorN[CM] : why would you expect there to be two: have you partitioned it yet?
[01:18] <toxidas> so i'll just dowoadand install the pkg ok?
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > and I get this error with fdisk -l | grep NTFS
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > schilds@FS:/$ sudo fdisk -l | grep NTFS
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > um because it's from a non-linux system (NTFS)
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > its got 600gb of data there
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > I cannot afford to lose
[01:18] <dwidmann> you need to be checking /dev/mapper/*** 's partition table KorN[CM] 
[01:18] <KorN[CM] > k
[01:18] <SlimG> Why won't KTorrent show other seeders on the peer list while seeding a torrent?
[01:19] <zyth> hm
[01:19] <d0dge> SlimG: use azerus
[01:19] <d0dge> SlimG: Azureus*
[01:19] <zyth> anyone know why programs I install with wine in kubuntu end up in the lost+found folder in my K menu, whilst in ubuntu they'd end up in a Wine menu in my Gnome menu?
[01:20] <toxidas> and by the way is i ok if i clean aptcache afer download and install?
[01:20] <SlimG> d0dge: Azureus got the best features, but it lacks the simplicity, and it's also a bit heavy on the system
[01:21] <SlimG> but then again, I'm starting to get tired of KTorrent beeing so slow at adopting features
[01:22] <toxidas> great thaks dwidmann:)) it just solved the problem
[01:22] <Tessa> does someone know the channel name of the german kubuntuchannel?
[01:23] <johnn> SlimG: install webui for azureus and start it with --ui=console in a screen.. so you don't have to use the bloated swt gui stuff
[01:24] <SlimG> johnn: thanx!
[01:26] <warblade68> weeeeeeeeeee
[01:28] <distro-tester> morning
[01:28] <distro-tester> where can i donwload the stable version of kubuntu 6.10?
[01:29] <warblade68> its dapper
[01:29] <Jucato> Kubuntu 6.10 is stable. it's just not LTS
[01:29] <distro-tester> hey jucato hi
[01:29] <Jucato> hi
[01:29] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org will be the place to look for downloads
[01:29] <distro-tester> well for some reson i got the 32 bit but k3b won't burn it iso
[01:29] <distro-tester> got the alternate 32 cd iso from site
[01:30] <Jucato> did you check the md5sum?
[01:30] <distro-tester> it does it auto
[01:30] <distro-tester> btw not it the match
[01:30] <Jucato> yes, but did you check it against the md5sum from kubuntu.org
[01:30] <distro-tester> o no how i do that?
[01:30] <Jucato> !md5sum
[01:30] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[01:31] <distro-tester> i got a original city of kubuntu 32 6.10 got it whit the best linux zine here in italy but says instable is that ok jucato?
[01:31] <distro-tester> it's december january realise
[01:31] <distro-tester> wait i show u the zine maby will help
[01:31] <Jucato> distro-tester: it's ok. Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) was released October 2006
[01:33] <distro-tester> ok then im solved back to it i got fedora 6 32 but will not work on log in whit my nvidia 7900GS screen goes black
[01:33] <distro-tester> http://www.oltrelinux.com/ this is the zine if u want to see jucato
[01:34] <Jucato> um... ok....
[01:34] <dwidmann> toxidas: good to hear it
[01:34] <distro-tester> what does instable mean i mean what they mean whit that on the live cd?
[01:36] <Jucato> I don't know what "instable" means... or why they would put that on the Live CD... sorry, I only read English
[01:36] <distro-tester> im asking for any distro btw does it mean it's a no good version?
[01:36] <Jucato> it depends on the distro
[01:37] <ubuntu__> hallo
[01:37] <Jucato> Kubuntu doesn't have an unstable (instable?) release.
[01:37] <distro-tester> hi
[01:37] <kraut> moin
[01:37] <ubuntu__> ey
[01:37] <distro-tester> i don't know im asking u
[01:37] <blekos> is there a simple firewall than guarddog?
[01:37] <ubuntu__> kann mir einer mal qry helfen ?
[01:37] <distro-tester> but since the site has same december versions this will be fine i think u right
[01:38] <ubuntu__> der sich mit wine auskennt
[01:38] <Jucato> !de
[01:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:38] <distro-tester> im kubuntu 64 now jucato but they told me here yesterday night to go back 32 couse many programs like flash 9 don't support 64 and im to limitated like this
[01:38] <Jucato> distro-tester: yes, that's true, from what I know
[01:39] <dwidmann> blekos: guarddog is just a frontend to simplify configuring the linux firewall, iptables. there's another one that seems to be popular called firestarter, you can try it if you want.
[01:39] <distro-tester> sadely 64 bit still has hard times whit programs
[01:39] <flo> can ayone help me?if i have my webcam pluged in when i bootup tvtime wont see my tvcard anymore , how can i solve that?
[01:39] <dwidmann> distro-tester: they spread fud
[01:39] <distro-tester> firestarter is the best one use that
[01:39] <distro-tester> sorry im not english whas those fud mean?
[01:39] <distro-tester> what does *
[01:39] <Jucato> Fear Uncertainty and Doubt
[01:40] <blekos> i had tried it, think guarddog to be better
[01:40] <distro-tester> well we tryied to install flash 9 yesterday here and said dosen't support 64 bit
[01:40] <distro-tester> so seems true
[01:40] <dwidmann> Here, I'll hook you up with a little script of mine :)
[01:40] <blekos> just did want want to bother of configuring  http access, ft
[01:40] <dwidmann> http://www.xnowherex.net/simple64/
[01:40] <distro-tester> ok use what u think is best for u blekos
[01:40] <blekos> thnx
[01:40] <Jucato> distro-tester: it is Flash that doesn't support 64-bit, though, so it's not really Kubuntu's fault
[01:41] <Jucato> !flash64 | distro-tester
[01:41] <ubotu> distro-tester: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[01:41] <Jucato> dwidmann: although, w32codecs are another matter...
[01:41] <dwidmann> Jucato: indeed, at least wmv is permanently out of the way though
[01:41] <distro-tester> yes i know so the best is to got back to 32 as they said i won't loose much just 1% speed that's still supersonic fast vs xp
[01:42] <dwidmann> Hah, depends what you do.
[01:42] <dwidmann> I do a LOT of encoding ...
[01:42] <dwidmann> >20% increase in speed ...
[01:42] <distro-tester> surf download web and play america's army
[01:42] <blekos> i had ubuntu install and then i apt-installed kubuntu
[01:42] <distro-tester> that's whay i nead pc for now
[01:42] <blekos> is there any way to remove ubuntu [or should i say gnome]  comps
[01:42] <blekos> ?
[01:43] <distro-tester> maby who said i could use vic 20 was right for the nead of pc i have now
[01:43] <distro-tester> eheh
[01:43] <distro-tester> blekos guarddog will give u many port problems firestarter is the moast simple gui firewall ever and more secure i advise u it
[01:43] <distro-tester> it's n 1
[01:44] <distro-tester> and u can see what ever happens to your pc
[01:45] <distro-tester> we have the luck to have the best front end firewall on linux firestarter why look for strange unsecure solutions
[01:45] <blekos> i'll do show then thnx
[01:45] <distro-tester> !offtopic
[01:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:45] <distro-tester> welcome
[01:45] <dwidmann> distro-tester: I kind of like guarddog :\
[01:46] <blekos> i just thought tha guarddog is most "kde" oriented than "firestarter"
[01:46] <distro-tester> i know but for me firestater is the best till now
[01:46] <blekos> although both run smoothly :)
[01:46] <distro-tester> guardog is a good fw just has port problems
[01:46] <distro-tester> sometimes
[01:47] <dwidmann> distro-tester: Oh, and I hear nspluginwrapper has picked up support for konqueror now :D
[01:47] <distro-tester> btw firestarter is on the top charts for his security and simpleness to use
[01:47] <distro-tester> that's good so means we can use java and flash support there to?
[01:48] <dwidmann> distro-tester: well, it's still in beta, but that's the general idea, 32-bit plugins in a 64-bit browser.
[01:48] <dwidmann> I need to test this.
[01:48] <distro-tester> btw for now the best solution is to go back 32
[01:48] <distro-tester> u tell me to we don't loose much right?
[01:49] <distro-tester> im amd 3000
[01:49] <hnsn> hello friends!!!!
[01:49] <distro-tester> hi
[01:49] <hnsn> my first kubuntu installation!! =D=D=D
[01:49] <distro-tester> welcome
[01:49] <hnsn> tnx
[01:49] <hnsn> me like
[01:49] <distro-tester> did u dubble partion or just run linux now?
[01:50] <hnsn> i disconnected my xp harddrive ^^
[01:50] <distro-tester> u will have fun here im new to linux to
[01:50] <distro-tester> but just use it now no more xp
[01:50] <hnsn> hehe
[01:50] <dwidmann> distro-tester: depends what you're doing, for just browsing the internet, it doesn't really matter. If you need to do anything like encoding, rendering, etc, 64-bit linux can provide a 20-100% speed increase.
[01:51] <hnsn> i need some progs for school, and im a hardcore gamer .. sometimes ^^
[01:51] <distro-tester> i have VNC attacks ofthen seems like someone is trying to monitor my pc
[01:51] <blekos> firestarter is really simple, it has almost everything preconfigured
[01:51] <distro-tester> right
[01:51] <hnsn> whats firestarter?
[01:51] <hnsn> google here i come!
[01:51] <distro-tester> the best linux firewall for many
[01:51] <dwidmann> !firestarter
[01:51] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[01:51] <distro-tester> ok what help u nead hnsn?
[01:51] <blekos> the only thing is that i cannot add a policy, i tried to run as sudo su
[01:51] <blekos> but it want start
[01:51] <hnsn> i dont need any help atm =D
[01:52] <nagyv> is there a way to set up the kaffeine-mozilla plugin to NOT start kaffeine automatically if there is something to be played on the website, but give my just a button?
[01:52] <hnsn> or do i? =D
[01:52] <distro-tester> can u explain me what's encoding rendering dwid?
[01:52] <distro-tester> don't know if u do ask
[01:52] <distro-tester> btw u will nead to install firestarter and clamav anti rootkit to
[01:52] <distro-tester> did u update repository yet hnsn?
[01:52] <hnsn> im running a "full upgrade" troug adept manager
[01:52] <Skrot> distro-tester: encoding is when you compress movies (e.g encode a raw stream to xvid, x264, etc), rendering is when you render a 3D image for instance.
[01:53] <hnsn> i edited the reposiretes list a bit
[01:53] <hnsn> is that dangerous? =D
[01:53] <Skrot> distro-tester: So unless you work with movies or 3D modelling you're probably safe
[01:53] <distro-tester> o thanx well for now i use pc just to play surf download and chat
[01:53] <ForgeAus> full upgrade doesn't change edgy into feisty right?
[01:53] <distro-tester> so im fine
[01:53] <distro-tester> no
[01:53] <ForgeAus> you need to do a dist update and I don't think adept does that...
[01:53] <ForgeAus> does it?
[01:54] <distro-tester> feisty is not official out yet u nead to wait
[01:54] <hnsn> thinking of getting easy-ubuntu for mp3 support or something .. but first adept must be happy =D
[01:54] <ForgeAus> yes always good to make adept happy! lol
[01:54] <ForgeAus> KDE 3.5.6 seems nice but I don't sofar see any difference...
[01:54] <distro-tester> when u finished update hnsn update repository and install firestarter and anti rootkit whit adept
[01:54] <distro-tester> just write rootkit
[01:54] <Skrot> ForgeAus: It's mostly bugfixes
[01:55] <distro-tester> if u want u can install clamav antivirus if u will ever use it
[01:55] <hnsn> do i need firestarter and anti rootkit?
[01:55] <distro-tester> yes
[01:55] <hnsn> ok
[01:55] <hnsn> =D
[01:56] <distro-tester> to configure firestarter is very easy so u will not find problems whit it
[01:56] <distro-tester> i seen latest kde is out do i nead to install it or comes whit kubuntu?
[01:57] <Skrot> you need to install it
[01:57] <Skrot> packages at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[01:57] <distro-tester> ok how do i do that skrot?
[01:57] <Skrot> Read the URL :)
[01:57] <distro-tester> thanx ill put it if it's stable otherwise i can wait
[01:58] <distro-tester> ok brb everyone must downgrade from 64 to 32 eheh
[01:59] <dwidmann> skrot, distro-tester is probably talking about kde-3.5.6
[01:59] <Skrot> eww, wrong URL
[02:00] <distro-tester> btw is it stable for us to put last version 4 of kde dwid?
[02:00] <Skrot> distro-tester: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php thats the one
[02:00] <Skrot> no, distro-tester
[02:00] <Skrot> 4 is unstable and unusable :)
[02:00] <distro-tester> ok so better wait
[02:00] <distro-tester> for the 3 they told me we all ready run it on kubuntu 6.10
[02:00] <Skrot> I just pasted the wrong URL earlier. Sorry :)
[02:00] <distro-tester> that 's fine so i check out both
[02:01] <dwidmann> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main"
[02:01] <distro-tester> but skrot we don't nead to upgrade nothing i think couse under 4 6.10 runs latest kde
[02:01] <dwidmann> distro-tester, no, edgy uses kde-3.5.5
[02:01] <Skrot> You don't need to upgrade. I think edgy has 3.5.5
[02:01] <Skrot> But if you want 3.5.6 you need to upgrade to it :)
[02:02] <distro-tester> o i certarnly do
[02:02] <distro-tester> ok 1 i go 32 bit then hope u can help me do this
[02:02] <distro-tester> i nead to install flash 9 when im back and java and this kde 3.5.6
[02:02] <distro-tester> will it be hard?
[02:02] <dwidmann> No.
[02:03] <Skrot> flash9 and kde 3.5.6 is easy. Java depends on which version
[02:03] <blekos> could u tell me where is the manager for login sceen [need to change theme, cause the one i have crashes] 
[02:03] <distro-tester> well u tell the best version for us of java?
[02:03] <Skrot> If you want java 5 its easy, if you want java 6 its a tad harder but still no real problem
[02:03] <distro-tester> ok we will start from the basics then
[02:03] <distro-tester> thanx
[02:03] <Skrot> java 6 seems faster than java 5 to me
[02:03] <dwidmann> not really all that hard ... chmod +x file.bin, ./file.bin, mv newfolder /usr/lib/jvm
[02:04] <Skrot> or I could just put my .deb on web =)
[02:04] <dwidmann> skrot: it's actually much faster, according to some benchmarks that have been done anyway
[02:04] <distro-tester> system configuration blekos
[02:04] <distro-tester> on k menu
[02:04] <distro-tester> there u can change what u like as root
[02:04] <Skrot> Thats what I though. Problem is I've just tried with Eclipse, and I've also upgraded Eclipse since I tried with 5.0, so I wasn't sure where to speedup was
[02:05] <Skrot> But eclipse starts much faster now
[02:05] <distro-tester> what's eclipse for?
[02:05] <Skrot> It's a Java IDE for programming Java :)
[02:07] <dwidmann> skrot: I hear azureus works significantly better with java6 though, jdong had a thread on UF about it
[02:07] <distro-tester> ill join ubuntu classroom when lessons start soon for now ill just do basics like flash java and last kde i nead otherwise i mess up then when im better i can do else
[02:08] <distro-tester> the best for begginers once they installed what they nead is to leave for a while everything as they where on xp
[02:08] <Skrot> dwidmann: I've tried Azureus as well, but I plain don't like it that much. Ill stick to KTorrent :)
[02:08] <foxbunny> hi
[02:08] <dwidmann> Skrot: My internet connection is allergic to torrents, so I don't care either way
[02:08] <Skrot> hehe
[02:08] <distro-tester> ktorrent is the best has all in 1 torrents search and very fast to
[02:09] <foxbunny> why doesn't KDE Wallet remember my Kmail's passwords?
[02:09] <distro-tester> what u find in kde and kubuntu is n1 stuff u don't nead to look for elese 99% so don't worry people
[02:09] <distro-tester> be happy whit what u got and learn to use it
[02:09] <distro-tester> else*
[02:10] <dwidmann> foxbunny: did you tell it to?
[02:11] <foxbunny> yes... every time I eneter the password and click 'remember' KDE Wallet comes up and asks for the master password...
[02:11] <distro-tester> heeh i have so much fun to chat here im taking time to reinstall 32 bit version
[02:11] <foxbunny> it seems Kmail changes the session number every time I access mail servers, so Kwallet gets confused...
[02:12] <distro-tester> is there a way for firestarter not to ask u password every log in?
[02:12] <foxbunny> and thinks it's a different app every time
[02:12] <foxbunny> or maybe not... :(
[02:12] <foxbunny> distro-tester: log in as root? :D
[02:12] <distro-tester> yes
[02:12] <distro-tester> is that normal?
[02:13] <foxbunny> distro-tester: no
[02:13] <distro-tester> i mean everytime i log in i must put the root password very strange
[02:13] <distro-tester> btw i got same pass on log in as root i must change them
[02:13] <foxbunny> distro-tester: what I meant is, logging in as root is not normal... very hazardous... that's why firestarter asks you for special permission tu run as root while you are logged in as a regular user
[02:14] <foxbunny> s/tu/to/
[02:14] <distro-tester> ok to run firestarter it askes me the same pass i put on log in
[02:14] <distro-tester> but my root one is the same
[02:14] <distro-tester> i can say this as im going 32 bit so will change everything now
[02:14] <foxbunny> Yes, the same passwd is used for root access
[02:15] <distro-tester> so why does firestarter ask me root pass to run on log in?
[02:15] <foxbunny> but root *access* and root *account* are two different thing
[02:15] <foxbunny> you give firestarter temporary access as root
[02:15] <foxbunny> same with sudo command
[02:15] <foxbunny> you don't actually become root
[02:16] <distro-tester> i just set it to load at boot up
[02:16] <foxbunny> you just issue commands as if you were root
[02:16] <distro-tester> im lost here
[02:16] <foxbunny> it needs root privileges to manage your firewall
[02:17] <foxbunny> because user accounts have limited access to the system
[02:17] <distro-tester> ok when u long in u get the screenshots that askes u the password to run firestarter?
[02:17] <distro-tester> as mine is set to run as pc loads
[02:17] <foxbunny> yes
[02:18] <foxbunny> you supply your user's password
[02:18] <distro-tester> this is what im trying to understad if there is a way to just run it xp way whit out pass?
[02:18] <foxbunny> that's only on *Ubuntu
[02:18] <foxbunny> you *don't* want it to run the XP way... :D
[02:18] <foxbunny> trust me
[02:18] <distro-tester> so on kde everytime i must do this boring thing to write pass in it or won't run?
[02:19] <foxbunny> XP makes the system too exposed, that's why linux uses root access
[02:19] <heinkel_111> if i want to build a custom konqueror version, will i have to build the entire kdebase?
[02:19] <foxbunny> to prevent access to parts you have no business tinkering with
[02:19] <spawn57> macs are the same heh
[02:19] <distro-tester> ok so even if this option can seem more boring gives me much more security right?
[02:19] <foxbunny> distro-tester: have you considered leaving your system up all the time?
[02:20] <distro-tester> no way hehe
[02:20] <foxbunny> okay
[02:20] <distro-tester> i don't nead that
[02:20] <foxbunny> I have it up 24/7
[02:20] <foxbunny> so I don't have to type the pass every time
[02:20] <spawn57> foxbunny: try out linspire then, it designed to suit your needs better
[02:20] <distro-tester> btw what im asking u if this boring option of pass keeps the pc more secure then windows firewalls that just run at start up no password?
[02:21] <foxbunny> spawn57: oh? why?
[02:21] <distro-tester> u read what i asked u fox?
[02:21] <distro-tester> id just like a yes or no
[02:21] <blekos> any ideas why i keep getting cannot open theme file just before the login screen?
[02:22] <dwidmann> distro-tester ... think of it this way, in windows you're always running as root (by default)
[02:22] <spawn57> it runs as root last i read, and they probably took that into account when designed it.  it should be fairly safe even though they run as root
[02:22] <foxbunny> distro-tester: yes and yes
[02:22] <distro-tester> o thanx
[02:22] <distro-tester> that is what i wanted to be sure of and your right dwid
[02:22] <foxbunny> spawn57: well, I don't really want it to run as root, but distro-tester might want that...
[02:23] <spawn57> lol oki
[02:23] <distro-tester> blekos as soon as some one will be able to solve u they will don't worry
[02:23] <distro-tester> no i don't other wise i would of used linspire
[02:23] <distro-tester> ill live whit the boring pass that meas more secure do
[02:23] <foxbunny> distro-tester: right on
[02:23] <blekos> brb
[02:24] <distro-tester> linspire is the best $ distro but problem it's all ways in su
[02:24] <foxbunny> distro-tester: yeah, and it's a $ distro
[02:24] <foxbunny> :D
[02:24] <spawn57> there's freespire
[02:24] <distro-tester> so u risk a bit less of xp as sytem is very strong and debian based
[02:24] <dwidmann> distro-tester: basically, running as root is no more secure than windows. Only, there are less exploits.
[02:24] <distro-tester> btw they are terrible on security once i had a rootkit and they removed it for me haah free
[02:25] <foxbunny> dwidmann: but that's because it's linux.... :D
[02:25] <distro-tester> their browser can see everything they trying to do to the os
[02:26] <distro-tester> that's one of the power points of linspire plus it's firewall but give many port problems
[02:26] <foxbunny> distro-tester: what? the OS actually reports to the HQ?
[02:26] <distro-tester> at least to me im nat
[02:26] <distro-tester> uyes
[02:26] <distro-tester> they made it 99% bomb prove that os fox
[02:27] <foxbunny> distro-tester: ah, that makes me feel so secure, lol. :) now I don't have to worry about bombs :D
[02:27] <distro-tester> like thir browser monitors pc and os reports to linspire servers
[02:27] <distro-tester> hhe u might pass to linspire then
[02:27] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I already did pass on linspire
[02:27] <fbc> Help I cant proceed my upgrade from dapper to edgy apt-get -f install has unmet dependencies due to another packackes blocking see my paste bin please for detail http://pastebin.ca/330987
[02:27] <distro-tester> so why u using kubuntu now?
[02:28] <distro-tester> u like it more?
[02:28] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I have different reason... I'm in DTP business, and I needed a distro with up2date packages
[02:28] <foxbunny> but now I'm having second thoughts...
[02:28] <distro-tester> i see dtp is?
[02:28] <foxbunny> repos aren't quite up2date
[02:28] <dwidmann> fbc, the best way I can think of for doing it is to apt-get install <list every single package it lists here>
[02:28] <dwidmann> brute force is lovely.
[02:28] <foxbunny> DTP = Desk top publishing
[02:28] <chuen> Can I ask a question about PATH and CHMOD (I have RTFM)?
[02:28] <distro-tester> well linspire is the best if u want a click and run distro
[02:28] <hnsn> hello! does this guide exist for us: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy ?
[02:29] <hnsn> (for kubuntu)
[02:29] <fbc> oki dwidmann ill try
[02:29] <hnsn> or can i translate on the go?
[02:29] <distro-tester> xandros is quite good to but hard to find stuff installed in it if u don't use their servers
[02:29] <foxbunny> distro-tester: so far, the best I've tried is Arch with its huge repo and Arch Build System
[02:29] <distro-tester> what does it have cool?
[02:30] <distro-tester> for me the best free distro is ubuntu family btw and 2 fedora if u $ linspire and xandros depends what u look for
[02:30] <foxbunny> distro-tester: ABS is a source based package manager
[02:30] <distro-tester> they told me arch is not easy
[02:30] <foxbunny> distro-tester: so if you want something new, you just fetch a PKGBUILD file, change the version number and it compiles the package for you
[02:30] <foxbunny> distro-tester: sure it needs some experience... it's installer is text-based and...
[02:31] <fbc> I cant get past this error http://pastebin.ca/330987
[02:31] <fbc> ups
[02:31] <distro-tester> well here u are on debian that has the biggest repository pack ever impossible u can't find what u like
[02:31] <foxbunny> distro-tester: instead of giving you check boxes, it gives you the config files to edit
[02:31] <distro-tester> and best comunity ever
[02:31] <fbc> I cant get past this error trying to overwrite `/usr/share/i18n/locales/en_AU', which is also in package language-pack-en-base
[02:31] <foxbunny> distro-tester: Debian, yes... but Ubuntu has no testing branch
[02:31] <distro-tester> arch is for power users and i don't really like it im a socialist and non distro has the humanity for others and socialist spirit like ubuntu
[02:32] <spawn57> foxbunny: unbuntu doesn't really need one with it's 6 month release cycle
[02:32] <dwidmann> I'm endlessly torn between debian and kubuntu :\
[02:32] <distro-tester> im happy here
[02:32] <foxbunny> for example, ghostscript is 8.50, but I need 8.54
[02:32] <foxbunny> there are many more
[02:32] <spawn57> dwidmann: same, kubuntu for desktop, unbuntu for servers =D
[02:32] <foxbunny> DTP is fairly new on Linux and you need to have absolutely the freshest packages
[02:33] <foxbunny> dwidmann: Kubuntu, then?
[02:33] <foxbunny> :D
[02:33] <distro-tester> as i said fox depends what u looking for if u want a easy to use distro and the best comunity go ubuntu if u want easy to use xp distro go linspire xandros
[02:33] <distro-tester> but rember linux is socialism they are far from it
[02:33] <distro-tester> for me linux is politics to change the world so first of all i look the people who make it
[02:33] <foxbunny> distro-tester: after 2 years in Linux, I can hardly imagine working with an OS that looks anything like XP :)
[02:33] <dwidmann> foxbunny, some odd twist of the two .... text install + <insert a thousand or so packages, not including some of the "important" kubuntu stuff here>
[02:33] <foxbunny> that's the reason I passed on PCLinuxOS
[02:33] <distro-tester> if they suck  even if their distro is the best or cool ill never use it
[02:34] <distro-tester> linspire is the more xp u can find
[02:34] <distro-tester> but why u want to emulate xp fox?
[02:35] <foxbunny> distro-tester: what gave you that idea? I *don't* want anything that remotely resembles XP. :D
[02:35] <distro-tester> i mean there are so many simple distros now $ or free u don't nead to make em look like xp to be cool xp is even ugly heeh
[02:35] <blekos> ok guys, it seems i have messed up my system a bit trying ro remove ubuntu...
[02:36] <distro-tester> well u saying u passed to pcoslinux and looking for xp emulation distros
[02:36] <dwidmann> blekos: ubuntu - ubuntu = 0?
[02:36] <foxbunny> pass on = skipped
[02:36] <blekos> is there any way of reinstalling kubuntu [short of repair?]  without loosing my current settings?
[02:36] <distro-tester> blekos what's your problem explain me what u trying to do if i can help
[02:36] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop?
[02:36] <blekos> well, most appropriate gnome things
[02:36] <blekos> is seems like i lost the synaptic manager
[02:37] <distro-tester> u could just install kubuntu and so u remove ubuntu
[02:37] <distro-tester> how is pcoslinux is it free?
[02:37] <foxbunny> hey, is it just me, or security.ubuntu.com is slow today?
[02:37] <blekos> and my start menu is bit messed up as well, moreover, the fonts have returned to be very tiny [maybe some default theme was removed or smg] 
[02:37] <foxbunny> distro-tester: it's free in both senses
[02:37] <foxbunny> distro-tester: no $
[02:37] <osh_> distro-tester: Think so. It's sort of a free Mandriva I think.
[02:37] <distro-tester> and what does it have cool vs us?
[02:38] <foxbunny> distro-tester: vs "us" it has up2date packages, GUI config tools for almost anything... that is if you consider them cool :D
[02:38] <distro-tester> btw i don't see any of this distros cool or not have socialist spirit and ubuntu side they are more or individual or $ so don't enjoy using them their comunity suck to
[02:39] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I didn't like it because it's too GUI
[02:39] <blekos> can i do smg eg sudo-apt get install kubuntu?
[02:39] <distro-tester> i love gui
[02:39] <osh_> foxbunny: gui-config tools are way cool imho. something that is sorely lacking in kubuntu.
[02:39] <distro-tester> im a kde and gui fan
[02:39] <foxbunny> distro-tester: then PCLOS is for you
[02:39] <foxbunny> osh_: you try PCLOS then. :) You'll love it
[02:39] <distro-tester> hehe im happy here but i can test it for fun as u see my nick
[02:39] <dwidmann> blekos, it would be kubuntu-desktop
[02:40] <foxbunny> osh_: I'm happier with CLI distros.... even Kubuntu is too GUI for me... :)
[02:40] <distro-tester> i don't think ill move from ubuntu i spended months looking for the distro for me trying suse mandrivia fedora linspire xandros
[02:40] <dwidmann> foxbunny, but kubuntu is esentially debian ... so, the way is there if you want to.
[02:40] <osh_> foxbunny: will do. I'm a bit scared that it's a small and obscure os though. I like distros that are big enough to keep up a momentum.
[02:40] <dwidmann> Otherwise I never would have stuck with kubuntu ...
[02:40] <Archngel> hi everyone
[02:40] <foxbunny> dwidmann: I know, that's why I'm using it. :)
[02:40] <dwidmann> hi Archngel
[02:40] <distro-tester> yes no one has what debian has in repository packs over 20.000 programs u can get lost in them
[02:41] <distro-tester> it can pull u down this world and much more if u use it correct
[02:41] <foxbunny> distro-tester: Gentoo has lots, and so does Arch Linux. :)
[02:41] <distro-tester> but they are hard as hello
[02:41] <distro-tester> hell*
[02:41] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I think Mandriva has an underadvertized huge repos, too
[02:41] <osh_> foxbunny: I've done my share of cli-tooling. Now I'm focused on getting things done. CLIs are great for some things, not so much for others. Good if you do it often, bad if you don't.
[02:41] <distro-tester> hehe give them to begginers and see what happens expecialy gentoo
[02:42] <Archngel> I have a problem with 3d acceleration in Kubuntu edgy,, with an ATI X1600pro 512,, cant get it to work even after trying many wiki, or forum explanations,, must do something wrong,, can anyone help me on that
[02:42] <foxbunny> osh_: absolutely... but Arch is my champion ballancing the CLI and efficient. :)
[02:42] <trac^> Hello. I am having trouble with my wlan-card losing connection all the time. Could someone plz help me?
[02:42] <distro-tester> mandrivia is very limitated if u don't crack it plus im against $ distros linux is free open source and socialism i just like linspire couse they good guys
[02:42] <blekos> i get the following message
[02:42] <blekos> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[02:42] <blekos> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[02:42] <blekos> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[02:42] <blekos> or been moved out of Incoming.
[02:43] <distro-tester> well use what' best for u bunny but rember socialism is the way
[02:43] <foxbunny> osh_: BTW, PLCOS is now testing, so you'll probably have a prob or two... release should be soon
[02:43] <distro-tester> are u male or female bunny?
[02:43] <trac^> Hello. I am having trouble with my wlan-card losing connection all the time. Could someone plz help me?
[02:43] <distro-tester> blekos i thin u nead a reinstall u messed up adept like me 1 times
[02:43] <distro-tester> just backup next time everthing
[02:44] <foxbunny> distro-tester: every Linux community is socialist (if I got you right). there are very little anti-socialist communities out there.
[02:44] <foxbunny> distro-tester: male
[02:44] <distro-tester> u can use keep to do that is backups for u blekos u find it on k menu
[02:44] <blekos> can i reinstall online?
[02:44] <distro-tester> why u don't like the cd?
[02:45] <JohnFlux> blekos: did you run apt-get update    first?
[02:45] <blekos> nop
[02:45] <JohnFlux> blekos: well, do that
[02:45] <distro-tester> fox no one is as ubuntu and i find them more individualist then socialist and $ distros are nothing just money makers
[02:45] <JohnFlux> blekos: sudo apt-get update
[02:45] <blekos> i did but no luck
[02:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: hmm
[02:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: actually it's more dictorship
[02:46] <distro-tester> for example fedora looks much a reppublican comunity pro usa and bush full of ex usa army soldiers another reason i did not install it
[02:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: usually a strong leader at the top
[02:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: who makes the decisions
[02:46] <foxbunny> distro-tester: that's just a prejudice... I tnink *Ubuntu community is great, too, but others are great as well.
[02:46] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: e.g. Linus Trovalds at the top
[02:46] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: I don't know what you are referring to...
[02:46] <distro-tester> im speaking for me fox of course
[02:46] <distro-tester> my expirience whit em
[02:47] <distro-tester> blekos if u got the kubuntu cd 6.10 just text install it's very easy and remove else
[02:47] <JohnFlux> foxbunny:  <foxbunny> distro-tester: every Linux community is socialist (if I got you right). there are very little anti-socialist communities out there.
[02:47] <distro-tester> of dubble partion u will be fine if u can't partion ask for help
[02:47] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: replying to that
[02:47] <heinkel_111> anyone know how to remove a source package using apt?
[02:48] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: foxbunny: actually it's more dictorship >> what's *it*?
[02:48] <JohnFlux> heinkel_111: you don't
[02:48] <JohnFlux> heinkel_111: just delete it
[02:48] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: Ubuntu or others?
[02:48] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: oh
[02:48] <distro-tester> btw as i say one should use what's best for him even if for the comunity comes first
[02:48] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: I was thinking on the programming side
[02:48] <foxbunny> distro-tester: of course
[02:48] <JohnFlux> foxbunny: to develop ubuntu or any linux project
[02:48] <distro-tester> u can run a ferrari but if who made it sucks u who drive it suck to
[02:49] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: yes, I understand
[02:49] <heinkel_111> JohnFlux: oh, it is that easy...
[02:49] <grazie> I lost sound on a update. Anyone got some suggestions for isolating the problem?
[02:49] <JohnFlux> heinkel_111: yep :-)
[02:49] <heinkel_111> won't there be an entry in the apt database without corresponding files then?
[02:49] <distro-tester> btw i hope u find what u looking for fox as debian has so much stuff i think it's imppossible u wont
[02:50] <foxbunny> JohnFlux: IMHO, the less the top interferes in community affairs the better... but most of them don't anyway
[02:50] <distro-tester> btw what u nead ahah it's  ages we chatting and still diden't understand what u looking for?
[02:50] <foxbunny> distro-tester: don't worry, I did a fair share of testing with various distros... just that some are between releases... and the slow Internet connection... :D
[02:51] <foxbunny> distro-tester: yes, perhaps you may help me out...
[02:51] <distro-tester> give and eye on fedora 7 to btw if u can stand their comunity
[02:51] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I'm looking for a distro that has a fast updating repo. :)
[02:51] <distro-tester> ill try im a new user but let's see
[02:51] <foxbunny> distro-tester: my main tools are Inkscape, Scribus and GIMP
[02:51] <distro-tester> well ubuntu has a very fast one what's your problem whit adept ?
[02:52] <distro-tester> ok let me see
[02:52] <matt0507> im having trouble with Kaffeine, it plays like first 1 minute of the movie/track then stopping claiming no disc/not readable and prodced this error: Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (Error reading from DVD.)
[02:52] <dwidmann> foxbunny, probably can't beat gentoo or arch for fast updating.
[02:52] <distro-tester> u can ask here to #ubuntu
[02:52] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I did a "by package version" search on Distrowatch and so far only Mandriva cooker, PCLOS, and Arch have the latest...
[02:52] <distro-tester> did u try adept backdoors?
[02:52] <foxbunny> dwidmann: I know.... rolling release rocks in that department
[02:53] <distro-tester> u can find new stuff there to
[02:53] <foxbunny> distro-tester: you mean back*ports*?
[02:53] <distro-tester> yes
[02:53] <distro-tester> sorry to much xp eheh
[02:53] <foxbunny> lemme check
[02:53] <heinkel_111> rolling release is not always the most stable thou
[02:53] <distro-tester> u must update repository btw to get full power of debian did u do that enable universe multireverse?=
[02:53] <dwidmann> last I checked, debian called theres "a rolling release system"
[02:53] <foxbunny> heinkel_111: I have good experience with it on Arch... it has a testing branch and if you avoid it, it's rock solid
[02:54] <dwidmann> maybe somebody is confusing terms?
[02:54] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I have those
[02:54] <distro-tester> ok
[02:54] <distro-tester> check backports now
[02:54] <distro-tester> debian updates fast btw so what u can't find u will soon
[02:54] <foxbunny> dwidmann: basically, Arch has no version... it's all one continuous update from install
[02:55] <foxbunny> distro-tester: can't do that right now... I'm dl'ing fglrx driver
[02:55] <foxbunny> lemme cat the sources.list
[02:55] <dwidmann> foxbunny, with snapshots inbetween so people can actually get it, I presume?
[02:55] <distro-tester> btw arch and gentoo are good distros but they not for begginers
[02:55] <foxbunny> dwidmann: precisely
[02:55] <distro-tester> ill check out pcoslinux to btw
[02:56] <distro-tester> dwi can we install yum to manage install rpm paks here?
[02:56] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I have backports
[02:56] <distro-tester> ok make sure they enabled
[02:56] <dwidmann> foxbunny, I've been meaning to try arch, maybe even gentoo ... I'm avoiding gentoo because I don't want to let my computer sit and compile for days. It has more useful things to do.
[02:56] <distro-tester> gentoo is crazy eheh
[02:56] <distro-tester> for real geeks
[02:57] <dwidmann> distro-tester, maybe if you install rpm and yum. You can try it ... doesn't sound like a grand idea though.
[02:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:57] <foxbunny> dwidmann: I just tried Gentoo two days ago... it compiled on for two days, and X never saw the light... :(
[02:57] <distro-tester> well important i don't crash the system
[02:57] <distro-tester> fox trow gentoo out the windows
[02:58] <foxbunny> dwidmann: but it's amazing how you can tweak it for every bit of performance your hadrware can offer
[02:58] <fairman> Hi, could somebody advice me, how to add mod_rewrite to apache2?
[02:58] <distro-tester> at this point better arch
[02:58] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I've used Arch for like 6 months and I'm confortable with it
[02:58] <distro-tester> fox u can make a test for best distro for u on linux desktop .com if i rember well
[02:59] <dwidmann> foxbunny, not much point. My processor can still give a Core 2 a pretty good run for its money, depending on the application :)
[02:59] <foxbunny> distro-tester: the community helped me with some packages that were missing and I was able to submit 2 packages to the repos
[02:59] <distro-tester> btw don't worry debian will soon have what u looking for updated be sure of that
[02:59] <foxbunny> distro-tester: in return, I managed their wiki for a while
[02:59] <dwidmann> I have a link to that test distro-tester
[02:59] <distro-tester> for me came out the best distros where ubuntu or that orrible mandrivia
[02:59] <foxbunny> distro-tester: but there's one thing.... no distro is perfect. :)
[03:00] <dwidmann> distro-tester: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
[03:00] <distro-tester> $$$
[03:00] <distro-tester> of course
[03:00] <dwidmann> mandriva isn't so bad really, I used it for a good three months way back when, then again, it was called mandrake back then.
[03:00] <distro-tester> well many say ubuntu isen't the best distro just has the best comunity  i don't agree do
[03:01] <distro-tester> i know well they went whit that lysome thing now
[03:01] <dwidmann> It had some really nice admin tools, for those glued to the gui
[03:01] <crazy_bus> I know openoffice.org takes awile to start so I enabled quickstarter in the memory option of the program.  I am wondering how this works and if I have it checked will it take up memory?
[03:01] <foxbunny> dwidmann: oh, yeah, the 0.8 voodoo release of Arch is due very soon... the beta seems to have some troubles atm, so you may give it a go but only after release... :)
[03:01] <distro-tester> if u don't crak mandrivia u very limitated whit it btw
[03:01] <dwidmann> foxbunny: thanks, I think I will
[03:01] <distro-tester> and why $ for a distro when linux is born free and open source
[03:01] <distro-tester> make that test fox im sure will help u
[03:01] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I'm not that patient. :)
[03:02] <distro-tester> linux desktop .com
[03:02] <dwidmann> distro-tester: you can download it for free, just it's missing some of the things that they include in their paid releases.
[03:02] <distro-tester> takes 1 min to test
[03:02] <distro-tester> i know i come from mandrivia suse fedora linspire xandros
[03:02] <distro-tester> eheh know all the stuff
[03:03] <dwidmann> I didn't like SuSE. I dumped it within a week of installing :\
[03:03] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I did take the test, and it said Mandriva... but I hate Mandriva... :)
[03:03] <distro-tester> btw i think fedora 7 will be the surprise whit ubuntu 7 if u can stand their comunity i would give fedora7 an eye
[03:03] <foxbunny> dwidmann: same here
[03:03] <distro-tester> same to me ubuntu mandrivia went kubuntu of coruse
[03:03] <distro-tester> course*
[03:03] <dwidmann> The first linux distro I stuck with was mandrake. I dumped it come upgrade time though.
[03:03] <distro-tester> i think fedora 7 will be for u fox
[03:04] <foxbunny> distro-tester: yeah, I was thinking fedora too, but 6 CDs? what does it come with? a 747?
[03:04] <distro-tester> mandrake was very good once it just sucks now
[03:04] <ulisse> ciao
[03:04] <distro-tester> ciao
[03:04] <ulisse> chisa darmi una mano
[03:04] <distro-tester> parli inglese?
[03:04] <distro-tester> io vieni in pvt
[03:04] <ulisse> no
[03:04] <distro-tester> u can have dvd to of fedora 6 fox
[03:04] <distro-tester> and has all in it
[03:04] <foxbunny> distro-tester: as I said before, I don't like GUI distros too much... never know what's going on under the hood...
[03:05] <distro-tester> ulisse vieni in pvt
[03:05] <foxbunny> distro-tester: plus if you don't use the GUI, it just takes up space
[03:05] <foxbunny> on you HDD
[03:05] <distro-tester> o vai su !it
[03:05] <distro-tester> iit
[03:05] <distro-tester> what's the italian chanel for kubuntu again?
[03:05] <distro-tester> !it
[03:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:05] <distro-tester> there
[03:05] <Ash-Fox> Can someone help me figure out what todo with this hardware issue? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2070713
[03:06] <distro-tester> btw where u from fox ?
[03:06] <foxbunny> argh... Kubuntu can't copy my data DVD?!
[03:06] <foxbunny> what gives?!
[03:06] <foxbunny> distro-tester: I'm from Serbia
[03:06] <distro-tester> rome italy 28 m here
[03:06] <dwidmann> US here
[03:06] <foxbunny> 33 second lag on IRC?! you must be kidding me...
[03:06] <distro-tester> nice what part of usa u from?
[03:06] <foxbunny> g2g
[03:06] <dwidmann> foxbunny: it should be able to
[03:06] <foxbunny> cya
[03:07] <distro-tester> ulisse capito vai' li'
[03:07] <dwidmann> later foxbunny
[03:07] <distro-tester> see u later
[03:07] <distro-tester> i like usa uk comunity for linux and freenode that's why i come here
[03:07] <distro-tester> dwid
[03:07] <chuen> Hi. Should permission for th sbin directory be 755 ?
[03:08] <distro-tester> what part of usa u from dwid?
[03:09] <Archngel> well either I missed an answer somewhere or noone replied,, im posting different result on past.ubuntu that may help you look into my proble,  thx in advance http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3190/
[03:09] <distro-tester> as soon as they can solve u they will don't worry
[03:10] <distro-tester> what u nead btw arch in a new user but if i can help ?
[03:10] <ulisse> chi italiano
[03:10] <distro-tester> !it
[03:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:10] <distro-tester> leggi ulisse
[03:11] <distro-tester> wb dwid
[03:11] <dwidmann> distro-tester: virginia
[03:11] <distro-tester> that's nice u play Banjo?
[03:11] <chuen> Anyone?
[03:11] <dwidmann> Nope
[03:11] <dwidmann> funny
[03:11] <Archngel> distro-tester,  are you talking to me,, im not very use to chat and im affraid that I can miss answer if I dont reconize my nick,,is Arch for me?
[03:12] <distro-tester> yes to u
[03:12] <distro-tester> what u nead?
[03:12] <distro-tester> im a redneck hillybilly to dwid
[03:12] <distro-tester> so we share same views
[03:12] <Archngel> oupelay,, sorry,, taught it was something else,,
[03:12] <distro-tester> if u one
[03:13] <dwidmann> hahaha, distro-tester, I moved here from Pennsylvania, significantly further north :P
[03:13] <distro-tester> ok what 's the problem arch if i can't u will soon find who can solve u
[03:13] <Archngel>  I have problem with 3d with ATI X1600Pro 512,in kubuntu,, wont work
[03:13] <chuen> Anyone help pls?
[03:13] <distro-tester> ok i got different card but soon u will find help
[03:13] <Archngel> thx
[03:14] <distro-tester> o one of my best friend is from there dwid that's the land of jeowa whitness
[03:14] <dwidmann> chuen: with?
[03:14] <distro-tester> really hate them eheh
[03:14] <Archngel> already try many wiki on ati 3d,, and been to forums,, without succes,,
[03:14] <dwidmann> !ati
[03:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:14] <chuen> dwidmann: Can you tell me the correct permissions for the sbin dir.?
[03:15] <dwidmann> distro-tester: that and the menonites too, and amish if you go to the eastern half
[03:15] <dwidmann> chuen: yes
[03:15] <Archngel> ubotu: been there done that got wierd message about monitor 0:0 and rendering :no
[03:15] <chuen> dwidmann: I had to copy a file to it so chnaged permissions to do so. Chnaged it bacjk to 755 but have Permisson Denied.
[03:15] <Archngel> see my post http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3190/
[03:15] <distro-tester> i want to learn to play 6 cord Banjo it's cool im much on blugrass and country souther rock what music u like ?
[03:16] <distro-tester> we can go offtopic chan if it gets to far from chan topic btw
[03:16] <dwidmann> chuen: should be root:root 755
[03:16] <dwidmann> distro-tester: metal :)
[03:16] <Archngel> ubotu,  its about the 10th time I try to reconfigure,, with fglrx , ATI, and other
[03:16] <chuen> dwidmann: Sorry, don't understand (Newb)
[03:17] <distro-tester> o me to rock n' roll to
[03:17] <dwidmann> chuen: should be owned by root, group root, permissions set to 755. If it's saying you don't have permission you need to use !sudo
[03:18] <dwidmann> distro-tester: Yeah, I like that too. So long as it isn't rap, I generally don't mind it. Can't stand that stuff.
[03:19] <chuen> Normally, I can access it using gui, but now I can't access via command line even. Whay is the syntax pls?
[03:19] <chuen> dwidmann: Normally, I can access it using gui, but now I can't access via command line even. Whay is the syntax pls?
[03:20] <dwidmann> chuen:
[03:20] <distro-tester> ok dwidmann here is 3 pm ill install 32 bit and then im back till what time u here so we install flash and java later and this latest kde?
[03:20] <dwidmann> sudo chown -R root:root /usr/sbin
[03:20] <dwidmann> sudo chmod 755 -R /usr/sbin
[03:21] <dwidmann> distro-tester: I'll probably be here for a long while. Even though I've already been up for the better part of 29 hours, with a small nap somewhere in there
[03:22] <distro-tester> ok if u tired rest bro brb ill make this downgrade ahah
[03:22] <chuen> dwidmann: Both thode commands were accepted but when I try to access dir via GUI I still get access denied.
[03:22] <chuen> dwidmann: and via command line.
[03:23] <dwidmann> chuen: so, if you were to say, "ls /usr/sbin", you would get permission denied?
[03:23] <chuen> dwidmann: No, that works fine.
[03:24] <dwidmann> chuen: hmm, then what's going wrong?
[03:24] <chuen> dwidmann: When I navigate to that directory using Konqueror and click on the dir I get 'access denied'
[03:25] <dwidmann> Hmm, odd indeed
[03:25] <chuen> dwidmann: Then the window opens buy no icons show
[03:25] <dwidmann> okay, do this: "kdesu konqueror /usr"
[03:25] <dwidmann> lets check something
[03:25] <chuen> dwidmann: However, at the bottom it says 25 items 5 files
[03:25] <dwidmann> then, right click on sbin, and go to properties, then click on the permissions tab
[03:26] <chuen> dwidmann: OK. 755. root. root.
[03:26] <dwidmann> click on the advanced button
[03:27] <dwidmann> make sure the checkboxes aren't checked
[03:27] <chuen> dwidmann: Everyting is greyed out
[03:27] <chuen> dwidmann: I tried kdesu konqueror /usr
[03:28] <chuen> dwiddman: Shall I copy results to pastebin?
[03:28] <dwidmann> and you're still in that "root konqueror"?
[03:28] <dwidmann> Sure
[03:28] <chuen> swidmman: Thanks. One sec.
[03:30] <chuen> dwidmann: http://pastebin.com/869405
[03:31] <YumeFrustrated> Hey if i know my winmodem is an Intel
[03:31] <YumeFrustrated> can i just try all the available drivers?
[03:31] <YumeFrustrated> because i cant find which driver i need
[03:31] <YumeFrustrated> and its starting to get to me now
[03:32] <chuen> dwidmann: I have to go but will be back in 10 - 15 mins
[03:32] <dwidmann> kay
[03:32] <chuen> dwidmann: Appreciate your help. V. stuck :(
[03:32] <YumeFrustrated> dwidmanm: do you know i i can just install a driver and see if it works
[03:33] <YumeFrustrated> and if not just remove and try another
[03:33] <YumeFrustrated> till i find one that works?
[03:33] <YumeFrustrated> or will a wrong driver bring down the pain on my modem?
[03:33] <dwidmann> Well, I suppose you probably could, just be sure you keep track of things. Otherwise removing them could become difficult and it could cause trouble if you don't remove them.
[03:33] <YumeFrustrated> argh
[03:34] <YumeFrustrated> okay how complicated is removing a driver?
[03:34] <dwidmann> depends on how complicated installing it was
[03:34] <YumeFrustrated> argh
[03:34] <YumeFrustrated> true i guess
[03:35] <YumeFrustrated> im just getting desperate
[03:35] <YumeFrustrated> i used scanModem to find out what modem i have and what driver i need
[03:35] <dwidmann> YumeFrustrated: where all have you searched for help on it?
[03:35] <YumeFrustrated> and i cant make sense out of the .txt files
[03:35] <YumeFrustrated> ive also looked on the toshiba site and forums for specifications
[03:35] <YumeFrustrated> and people with same problems
[03:35] <dwidmann> I do know I ended up giving up on my one modem way back when, got a serial modem and it worked okay.
[03:36] <YumeFrustrated> no help there either
[03:36] <dwidmann> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[03:36] <YumeFrustrated> k Il post about the modem story there
[03:37] <dwidmann> Good luck, you might need it.
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> I feel like this modem put me through enough trouble to make a Danielle Steel movie
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> afk
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> argh, gone even
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> thanks for your help dwidmann
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> .quit
[03:37] <YumeFrustrated> ><
[03:41] <bjacob> hi, how can i set the default NLS for all filesystems to UTF-8?
[03:42] <extern> where is wine config file stored?
[03:42] <dwidmann> bjacob, probably have to do it line by line in the /etc/fstab
[03:42] <LjL> extern: ~/.wine - but it's a windows registry really, so use regedit
[03:42] <dwidmann> extern, ~/.wine, I think
[03:42] <bjacob> dwidmann: many filesystems don't provide a nls mount option (according to man mount)
[03:43] <bjacob> this can be set in kernel config, but how to recompile kernel without breaking ubuntu stuff?
[03:43] <dwidmann> bjacob: are you using any of those "many file systems"?
[03:43] <bjacob> ext2, reiserfs, nfs3
[03:45] <dwidmann> bjacob, I"m too sleepy to be sure. I'd best (finally) get to bed.
[03:45] <bjacob> ok, anyone else or are you  all in bed ? :D
[03:46] <dwidmann> bjacob: they're all idling or lurking, most likely
[03:48] <ninHer> hi all
[03:50] <bjacob> ok, i found a ubuntu compile guide
[03:50] <chuen> dwidmann: Ok, back now - had to eat.
[03:51] <bjacob> but seriously, why did you ubuntu guys set the default nls to something else than utf8 ....??
[03:52] <ubuntu__> how do I mount a windows hdd?
[03:53] <Jucato> !ntfs
[03:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions. For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:53] <tidus1188> test
[03:53] <tidus1188> ,,
[03:53] <chuen> Can anyone help with this problem pls? http://pastebin.com/869405
[03:54] <tibbar> I tried sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt, im running the live cd atm, so I can't install thins
[03:55] <tibbar> things
[04:01] <tibbar> If I go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions., it says page does not exist
[04:01] <Jucato> chuen: can you run just "kdesu konqueror"?
[04:03] <andre> can anyone tell me why everyonce in a while, after booting up Ubuntu/Nvidia binaries won't recognize my secondary monitor or its ability to provide a res higher than 640x480?
[04:04] <Jucato> tibbar: remove the period '.' at the end of the link
[04:04] <chuen> jucato: Sorry was reading ubuntu bible :)
[04:05] <chuen> jucato: one sec.
[04:05] <Jucato> chuen: heh nice read :)
[04:06] <chuen> jucato: Did you look at the pastebin?
[04:06] <Jucato> chuen: yes. that's why I'm asking you :)
[04:06] <chuen> jucato: I tried and got bad devices etc.
[04:06] <chuen> Then 'Conqueror your Desktop!' opened.
[04:06] <Jucato> chuen: ignore the baddevice errors. does Konqueror launch?
[04:06] <chuen> jucato: Yes :)
[04:07] <Jucato> chuen: then you have no problem :)
[04:07] <chuen> jucato: sigh ...
[04:07] <chuen> jucato: Thanks....
[04:08] <chuen> jucato: But why can't I access sbin any longer?
[04:08] <chuen> I've tried changing permissions back on the command line.
[04:08] <Jucato> where can't you access it?
[04:08] <larson9999> !grub
[04:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:08] <chuen> jucato: via konqueror.
[04:09] <Jucato> chuen: how are you trying to access/go to it?
[04:09] <chuen> jucato: by clicking on the folder.
[04:09] <Jucato> what error does it give you/
[04:09] <Jucato> ?
[04:10] <chuen> jucato: access denied to /sbin
[04:10] <Jucato> hm.. weird...
[04:11] <chuen> jucato: But then the window opens with no icons
[04:11] <chuen> jucato: I can right-click an d check permissions etc.
[04:11] <Jucato> chuen: can you go into it using normal Konqueror?
[04:12] <chuen> jucato: No - the farthest i can get is /root
[04:13] <chuen> juctato: which has 3 shortcuts and 'share'
[04:13] <chuen> jucato: as folders.
[04:14] <Jucato> chuen: hm... really weird, as I can get to /sbin in here... you tried just typing the direct path? (/sbin) ?
[04:14] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:15] <Stanleh> O_O
[04:15] <Stanleh> Is this where all the cool people hang out eh?
[04:15] <chuen> jucato: one sec
[04:16] <chuen> jucato: Ok that lets me into sbin
[04:16] <Jucato> :)
[04:16] <Jucato> afaik, you don't need to be root (kdesu konqueror) to access that
[04:17] <chuen> jucato: So am I 'safe' ? :)
[04:17] <Jucato> yep. now close that Konqueror window you launched with kdesu
[04:17] <chuen> jucato: OK, done.
[04:18] <BluesKaj> just got a friends pc up and running ,  (windows ) , not a linux type "person" . His PC was so infected that it would shut down if one tried to use control panel. The video controller and audio drivers were stripped from the MoBo cuz , reinstalling windows gave only rudimentary 4-bit colour and of course no sound whatsoever ...No wonder ppl find linux appealing
[04:18] <Jucato> now you're safe :)
[04:18] <chuen> jucato: I got scared because som many things are dependent on accessing sbin (aren' thye?)
[04:18] <Tm_T> :p
[04:18] <Jucato> chuen: sort of :)
[04:19] <chuen> jucato: Thanks for you help.
[04:19] <Tm_T> chuen: Yup, it's only hidden, not _gone_ ;)
[04:19] <chuen> Tm_T: Ah!
[04:19] <Jucato> !hidden | chuen
[04:19] <ubotu> chuen: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:20] <chuen> jucato: Thanks. All I was doing was trying to cp a file there so that i was in PATH to execute.r
[04:21] <Tachyon> I believe I've set Firefox as my default browser, but Thunderbird still opens links in Konqueror
[04:22] <Jucato> Tachyon: run this command in Konsole: sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[04:22] <Jucato> then choose firefox
[04:24] <Tachyon> Jucato: Excellent, thanks.
[04:24] <WasserDragoon> hi @ll
[04:35] <blekos> hi, could u tell me how i can backup konctact, in fact i am only interested in emails,
[04:35] <blekos> i am going to restore my system and dont want to less them
[04:38] <extern> can I change an icon for a shell script?
[04:38] <extern> (only one file)
[04:44] <dymek> Witam wszystkich
[04:44] <Archngel> Re everyone
[04:49] <distro-tester> ok im back u still here ?
[04:49] <True_Friend> After a long thinking i think i should give a try to Edgy by upgrading from dapper, can some one tell me how can i upgrade from dapper to edgy using install cd??
[04:49] <True_Friend> is it possible or..........it is just my thought.......
[04:49] <distro-tester> !update
[04:49] <Jucato> True_Friend: alternate install cd or live cd?
[04:49] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:49] <distro-tester> hello jucato
[04:49] <Jucato> hi distro-tester
[04:49] <True_Friend> usual cd which i use to install Edgy
[04:50] <distro-tester> im whit the 32 bit now i told u of the dvd i had instable
[04:50] <distro-tester> but when i load the start the icon that loads kubuntu is different from 64 bit version is that normal?
[04:50] <True_Friend> GUI cd which is commonly used i heard abt a typical command line cd also but do not used it ever always use this cd
[04:50] <Jucato> True_Friend: hm... I'm guessing that would be the Live/Desktop CD
[04:50] <Jucato> unfortunately, you can't use that to upgrade
[04:50] <True_Friend> ohhhhhhhhhh
[04:51] <True_Friend> so i have to download another one
[04:51] <distro-tester> im speaking of the icon that xp has to under windows at start up
[04:51] <True_Friend> but from where?
[04:51] <True_Friend> i only know abt this live cd( i thoungt it is the install cd as it is used to install system)
[04:51] <distro-tester> like on 64 bit the icon that makes u see kubuntu is loading is different from the 32 bit version one is that normal jucato?
[04:52] <Jucato> True_Friend: if you don't want to install all over again, I suggest you just upgrade through the internet, using the guide given above
[04:52] <True_Friend> tooo much power consume i think
[04:52] <distro-tester> btw i have to upgrade to last kde 3.5.6 and install java and flash player im counting on your help to do this jucato
[04:52] <Jucato> distro-tester: I don't understand..
[04:52] <Jucato> True_Friend: well, you'll be using even more power and time if you compiled 3.5.6 :P
[04:52] <distro-tester> u see that thing that runs when kubunto loads like the level bar?
[04:53] <distro-tester> u+
[04:53] <True_Friend> i would prefer to download iso iamge and write it to cd so can use it agian
[04:53] <True_Friend> :D :D yup i think it would be more complicated
[04:53] <distro-tester> as u start the os under kubuntu there is a level bar that loads to tell u how much before u get log in screen shot ok till here jucato?
[04:54] <Jucato> True_Friend: you can use the one called the Alternate Install CD, but there would be a bit of a problem if you've installed a lot of other packages, specially from universe and multiverse...
[04:54] <distro-tester> that level bar on 32 bit looks different from 64 on maby couse i don't have last kde yet
[04:54] <distro-tester> btw the cd i told u was live so did everything from live cd install
[04:55] <distro-tester> is that ok?
[04:55] <Jucato> distro-tester: you're talking about USplash, the bootsplash screen. I haven't seen the 64-bit version so I can't really say if they're different or the same. nothing to do with KDE
[04:55] <distro-tester> es
[04:55] <distro-tester> y*
[04:55] <distro-tester> ok btw don't think that will bother us much
[04:55] <True_Friend> Jucato: can u guide me how to get this install cd?
[04:56] <True_Friend> is it available as iso image?
[04:56] <distro-tester> as soon adept has done whit security updates we can install latest kde jucato if u help me
[04:56] <Jucato> True_Friend: yes. from the same site/page where you get the oher install CD
[04:56] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org
[04:57] <distro-tester> yestardat whit minatuku help i install flash 9 just diden't support 64 bit ahha
[04:57] <distro-tester> !repository
[04:57] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:58] <distro-tester> ok will it be hard as i can only copy paste in console now to update to last kde whit your help jucato?
[04:58] <Jucato> not that hard to upgrade to KDE 3.5.6
[04:58] <distro-tester> perfect
[04:58] <Jucato> instructions are in here, btw: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[04:58] <distro-tester> i think if i installed flash i can do that to
[04:58] <distro-tester> can't u follow me?
[04:58] <Jucato> !flash9
[04:58] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[04:59] <distro-tester> for now i can do things only if some one tells me how to i just copy paste in console ok for that?
[04:59] <Jucato> ok, I'll try to follow. but I'm about to sleep soon
[04:59] <distro-tester> ok we can even do it later if u tired 5 pm in rome
[05:00] <Jucato> distro-tester: you're in Rome?
[05:00] <Jucato> it's almost midnight in here
[05:00] <distro-tester> yes
[05:00] <distro-tester> what part of usa are u from?
[05:01] <distro-tester> ill put world clock later so i know all times of my friends here
[05:01] <Jucato> not in the US
[05:01] <Jucato> +8 UTC (+8 GMT)
[05:02] <distro-tester> that's canada?
[05:02] <Jucato> philippines. in asia
[05:02] <distro-tester> eheh
[05:02] <Jucato> distro-tester: anyway, you can ask for other's help in here too
[05:02] <distro-tester> i do kali arnis escrima
[05:02] <distro-tester> yes if u got to sleep i will thanx
[05:02] <distro-tester> that's why u got spanish name then
[05:02] <distro-tester> u speak spanish to?
[05:03] <Jucato> wow!
[05:03] <distro-tester> hehe
[05:03] <Jucato> no I don't speak spanish (despite my name)
[05:03] <distro-tester> why do u do it as it's your martial art people teach it for free there to
[05:03] <Jucato> not time, money, opportunity :)
[05:04] <Jucato> anyway, brb
[05:04] <distro-tester> i do the kalasag style that's the mother of all styles the one that magellano was killed whit
[05:04] <distro-tester> ok
[05:04] <distro-tester> when u ready we can install kde 3.5.6 or any one who wants to help me to do it
[05:06] <apokryphos> distro-tester: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[05:06] <distro-tester> can u follow me apo as im a new user?
[05:06] <distro-tester> im scared to go alone yet
[05:07] <apokryphos> distro-tester: try it out and let me know where you have problems
[05:08] <True_Friend> i think i have to ask from ubuntuforums.org about alternate install cd i can not find it on download page
[05:08] <apokryphos> True_Friend: it's there. Under "other ISOs" or something
[05:08] <distro-tester> well im complete lost
[05:08] <apokryphos> distro-tester: do you know what the terminal is?
[05:08] <distro-tester> but im very good to follow if u tell me what to do i all ready install flash like that
[05:08] <distro-tester> yes
[05:09] <distro-tester> i will copy paste what u say
[05:09] <apokryphos> distro-tester: then I'm sure you can follow the instructions there
[05:09] <apokryphos> distro-tester: copy and paste what the link says :P
[05:09] <distro-tester> ok
[05:10] <distro-tester> btw the 32 version is killing my eyes vs the 64 one even if i diden't install any nvidia drivers on it u know why?
[05:10] <burbante> hello friends this is my first connection with kubuntu....i chat from italy
[05:10] <distro-tester> !it
[05:10] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:10] <distro-tester> ciao vai li'
[05:10] <burbante> grazie...
[05:11] <distro-tester>  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:11] <distro-tester>  sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:11] <distro-tester> this i have to copy in console apo?
[05:12] <apokryphos> yes
[05:12] <distro-tester> done now?
[05:12] <distro-tester> said ok the console
[05:13] <apokryphos> then continue
[05:13] <distro-tester> ok what i have to do couse nothing happens?
[05:15] <BluesKaj> !ch | Huahua
[05:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <distro-tester> any one able to follow me so i can install last kde im not able alone
[05:16] <jontec> okay... hwo do I get my card in /proc/asound/cards? using alsa drivers, utils, and libs
[05:19] <litb> hi!
[05:19] <litb> how can i enter the grub shell using a kubuntu live cd?
[05:19] <Dr_willis> the grub shell.. is accessable from the grub menu. If you can see it.. (they hide it by default)
[05:19] <Dr_willis> I think you hit the C key? or somthing.. i forget.
[05:19] <distro-tester> hey dr willis hello
[05:19] <litb> and how can i acess it?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> or just boot the live cd and type 'grub'
[05:20] <distro-tester> can u follow me to install kde 3.5.6?
[05:20] <apokryphos> distro-tester: add one of the lines below there to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:20] <litb> yeah, the c key, but it doesn't do anything in the kubuntus' grub
[05:20] <distro-tester> ok
[05:20] <litb> it doesn't start
[05:20] <distro-tester> i have to copy paste this in console
[05:20] <distro-tester>  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:20] <distro-tester>  sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[05:20] <distro-tester> ?
[05:20] <apokryphos> distro-tester: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:20] <apokryphos> distro-tester: no, you've already done that. Why would you do it again?
[05:21] <litb> it's really crap that they disabled the grub shell
[05:21] <distro-tester> ok im starting to get confused but ill relax sorry
[05:21] <pointwood> anyone installed freenx server on edgy?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> litb,  never noticed it being disabled... not about to reboot to test..
[05:21] <distro-tester> what's next afther that i diden't understand can u paste me it so i copy paste?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> litb,  edit the grubs config file to see where/how its disabled.. and reenable it. I always unhide it. and change the colors/defaults
[05:22] <distro-tester> etc apt sources?
[05:22] <litb> Dr_willis: how can i edit that file when i'm in the grub live-cd boot men?
[05:22] <litb> *menu
[05:22] <litb> it's really bad. i think it's a bad default choice
[05:23] <distro-tester> ok so im still blocked to that last thing i pasted now?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> litb,  never noticed.. never cared.. boot live cd.. edit the file..
[05:24] <distro-tester> dr willis im really lost can u help me?
[05:24] <distro-tester> this kde is giving me problems
[05:25] <chuen> Jucato: Sorry to 'pick on' you again ......... but, I'm still locked out of sbin via the command line
[05:25] <litb> Dr_willis: the livecd _can't_ boot
[05:25] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  gesh man.. it isent that hard.. you edit your apt/sources.list
[05:25] <distro-tester> but how u do that?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> run those 2 commandes (wget and sudo) THEN run the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:25] <Dr_willis> with a text editor.
[05:25] <Dr_willis> sudo EDITORYOULIKE /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:25] <distro-tester> ok ill try
[05:26] <chuen> Jucato: And via Konqueror
[05:26] <Dr_willis> I belive you may want to learn some linux basics befor you go worrying about having the latest and greatest kde version
[05:26] <distro-tester> seems easy for u but when u first start it's real hard in 0 on linux now
[05:26] <Dr_willis> tldp.org - spend some time reading some linux beginner guides.
[05:27] <chuen> I still get 'access denied /sbin'
[05:27] <distro-tester> yes ill join classroom later on but when people follow me im able to install stuff
[05:27] <distro-tester> yerstay is install flash player
[05:27] <Dr_willis> Theres no real hurry/need to mess with the latest kde at this time.  its not like its a HUGE update.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> kde4 will be the huge change. :)
[05:28] <distro-tester> well i got problem i had to get back to 32 bit from 64 couse many programs diden't support 64
[05:28] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  yep. I never mess with 64bit for that and other reasons.
[05:28] <distro-tester> but maby i don't have the latest stable distro of 6.10 couse kde seems very old here
[05:28] <chuen> Dr_willis: Do you have a moment pls?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> chuen,  whats up?
[05:29] <Dr_willis> got kde 3.5.5 here.
[05:29] <chuen> Dr_willis: Could you take a look at this http://pastebin.com/869405
[05:29] <distro-tester> plus my seems my resolution hurt eyes thing that diden't happen on 64 even whit no nvidia drivers installed
[05:29] <chuen> Dr_willis: I have somehow lcked nyslef out of my sbin dir.
[05:30] <chuen> Dr_willis: I changed permissions to copya file there and am now stuck.
[05:30] <distro-tester> very strange i must ask if this version is the latest one couse the magazine i got it from says instable
[05:30] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  the X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166  lines are  Due to the Wacom (?) tablets being confugured in your X config file.. they are not imporntant.
[05:31] <endo602> hey
[05:31] <endo602> can somone help me with mounting smbfs to fstab?
[05:31] <Dr_willis> or was that for chuen  :)
[05:31] <distro-tester> well i just know my eyes hurt here on 64 bit diden't and im on a lcd strange
[05:31] <Dr_willis> i forget..
[05:31] <endo602> I had it mounted fine
[05:31] <distro-tester> im starting to get pissed i must calm down
[05:31] <distro-tester> ok 1 thing at a time
[05:31] <endo602> i come home today and i get this message mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
[05:32] <chuen> Dr_willis: Looks like me :)
[05:32] <distro-tester> so i do wget and put url from where i want to get kde  right Dr?
[05:32] <chuen> Dr_willis: Problem is, I can't access it now.
[05:32] <nagyv> I have an usb bluetooth stick which is recognized by kde if I plug it in to a running computer, but it is not recognized if it is automatically at startup if I leave it unplugged. Is there a way to make it recognized?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  you edited the etc/apt/sources.list file yet?
[05:32] <distro-tester> no couse diden't understand how
[05:32] <distro-tester> later jucato
[05:33] <Jucato> distro-tester: good night
[05:33] <distro-tester> i can just copy paste what u say
[05:33] <Jucato> chuen: sorry I need to go
[05:33] <distro-tester> for now
[05:33] <chuen> Jucato: Thnkx for help earlier btw :)
[05:33] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,   you proberly should learn the basics.. just cut/pasting is not learning.
[05:33] <distro-tester> but im good at that so if u right me every step i will make it as i did it for flash 9
[05:33] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  what sort of connection you got?
[05:33] <distro-tester> later not now
[05:33] <distro-tester> dsl 6 mb
[05:33] <chuen> Jucato: Dr_willis is helping, thanks.
[05:33] <distro-tester> nat
[05:33] <endo602> I can log into my smb locations through konqueror but i cant fstab them
[05:33] <endo602> what is up?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  for a start use the command ------>   sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.EMERGANCYBACKUP
[05:34] <distro-tester> it's this 32 bit dvd instable version i got that sucks whit 64 bit i was fine
[05:34] <distro-tester> ok
[05:35] <distro-tester> thanx
[05:35] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  you may be much better off redoenloading the kubuntu 6.10 cd's and installing from that.. a Magazine's cd/dvds may be very old.
[05:35] <distro-tester> it's december one
[05:36] <Dr_willis> yea.. and when did that cd/mag go to the press .:) 2 mo befor?
[05:36] <distro-tester> same as site but for strange reason kb3 dosen't burn iso one from site
[05:36] <distro-tester> so had to use this
[05:36] <Dr_willis> You backuped your sources.list yet?
[05:36] <distro-tester> im root now
[05:36] <distro-tester> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.EMERGANCYBACKUP
[05:36] <distro-tester> copy pasted this
[05:36] <distro-tester> now?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> make sure its there.. :)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list*
[05:37] <Dr_willis> Lesson #1  - when in doubt Back stuff up.
[05:37] <zen_> but can't i use keep to backup?
[05:37] <chuen> Dr_willis: Do I need to change ownership or permissions?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> chuen,  im not sure what your original problem is.. but those X device warnings are nothing to worry about.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> zen_,  now that you got that file backed up.. you proberly shuld do a total update of the system.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> zen_,  -->  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:38] <zen_> zen@zen-desktop:~$ sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.EMERGANCYBACKUP
[05:38] <zen_> zen@zen-desktop:~$
[05:38] <chuen> Dr_willis: That's fine  - but I can't access the directory from either the cmd line or Konqueror.
[05:38] <endo602> can someone help me with mounting ?
[05:38] <zen_> this is what is says now
[05:39] <Dr_willis> chuen,  cant access from the command line? even with sudo?
[05:39] <zen_> is that ok?
[05:39] <chuen> Dr_willis: Doh! One sec.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> zen_,  that wasent very clear...
[05:39] <zen_> ok it's updating
[05:40] <zen_> well afther your command just said desktop whit my user name nothing else
[05:40] <zen_> now it's upgrading
[05:40] <Dr_willis> zen_,  thats proberly one of the first commands ya should of done on  your install from the cd. that shoudl set up your system totally up to date.
[05:40] <chuen> Dr_willis: I sthis correct: $ sudo cd /sbin
[05:40] <zen_> says all 0 updated now is that normal?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> chuen,  sudo dont work that way.. :) that cd's to the dir.. then it exits..
[05:41] <zen_> like there was nothing to update
[05:41] <Dr_willis> chuen,  that puts you back in the original location.
[05:41] <x_link> Hi
[05:41] <zen_> 0 aggiornati, 0 installati, 0 da rimuovere e 0 non aggiornati.
[05:41] <zen_> means all 0 updateded
[05:41] <Dr_willis> zen_,  looks like its up to date.
[05:41] <chuen> Dr_wills: Ah ....
[05:41] <x_link> I'm using Debian Etch righ now. I will soon get another computer and wanted o try Kubuntu.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> chuen,  try 'sudo -s'  for a root shell
[05:41] <zen_> how do i see what kde i have btw thanx for help?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> zen_,  any kde app - check the menus under help/about
[05:41] <apokryphos> zen_: kde-config --version
[05:42] <chuen> Dr_willis: I get 'permission denied with cd /sbin
[05:42] <x_link> Will Kubunu work good on a AMD Athlon 700MHz, 1GB SDRAM PC133 RAM, 40GB hdd, 64MB video card ( think, or 32MB)
[05:42] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK
[05:42] <Dr_willis> x_link,  it will work.. should be 'ok' but a bit low in the CPU power area..
[05:42] <zen_> Qt: 3.3.6
[05:42] <zen_> KDE: 3.5.5
[05:42] <zen_> kde-config: 1.0
[05:42] <zen_> zen@zen-desktop:~$
[05:42] <x_link> Dr_willis: Ahh ok.
[05:42] <zen_> this i got
[05:42] <zyth> grr
[05:42] <Dr_willis> x_link,  you may want to use some lighter desktop. but it depends on your needs.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> zen_,  you are up to date it seems.
[05:43] <x_link> I just like KDE, nohing else.
[05:43] <x_link> Dr_willis: I will not do any heavy stuff on it.
[05:43] <Dr_willis> x_link,  try it and see. :)
[05:43] <x_link> I just want to try Kubuntu to see f I would like i, if I did then I will install it on this machine
[05:43] <zen_> perfect now the mistery is why my eyes hurt on my lcd 17 whit 32 bit when on 64 was fine even if i diden't istall now nvdia drivers yet i got a 7900GS btw
[05:44] <_spaz> hello
[05:44] <chuen> Dr_willis: I can acces it fine from root, yes
[05:44] <Dr_willis> zen_,  id say install the nvidia drivers next then.
[05:44] <zyth> okay, here's my situation: I am logged into my desktop.  My GF uses 'switch user' to load her desktop, but when she logs out, the screen goes blank, then my monitor says no signal and I can't ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to my desktop, and I have to hard reboot to get anything done.  Is this a KDE thing or an X thing, and how can I avoid it? (I can ctrl+alt+Fx between the sessions just fine when BOTH are running)
[05:44] <zen_> very strange do 64 was fine even whit out them isen't it Dr?
[05:44] <chuen> Dr_willis: Should I change sbin permissions there?
[05:44] <_spaz> how do i put the trash bin on the desktop instead of in the taskbar?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> chuen,  im not sure what the origianl problem was - whats going on with sbin.
[05:45] <x_link> Which is AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2GHz, 512MB DDR2 533Mhz ( clocked to 667Mhz), GeForce 6150 128MB
[05:45] <Dr_willis> zen_,  no idea. i dont mess with 64bit.
[05:45] <zen_> i was 1024x768 60 hz there to
[05:45] <chuen> Dr_willis: I changed its permissions to 777 tp copy a file there.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> zen_,  you can go on and on about what happened then....   or ya can focus on what you are doing NOW.. :)
[05:45] <zen_> ok before can u help me install flash 9 and java then im done Dr?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:45] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !flash
[05:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:45] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[05:46] <zen_> yes your right
[05:46] <endo602> i can enter folder smb://windows/Music but i cant fstab this location
[05:46] <chuen> Dr_willis: Then somehow screwed up changing back to 755
[05:46] <Dr_willis> chuen,  heh heh..
[05:46] <chuen> Dr_willis: Somehow it locked me out
[05:46] <apokryphos> _spaz: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#showtrash
[05:46] <zen_> im able to install flash 9 whit copy paste as i did yesterday if u tell me commands Dr
[05:46] <Dr_willis> chuen,  drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-01-25 12:35 /sbin
[05:46] <Dr_willis> 
[05:46] <zen_> for java it's better for us 5 or 6?
[05:46] <chuen> Dr_willis: OK ......
[05:46] <Dr_willis> zen_,  i dont know the commands off hand. I belive i added the severas reopsitories and just apt-get installed it..
[05:47] <zen_> yes it''s in the backports
[05:47] <zen_> don't know if it's 9 final do
[05:47] <chuen> Dr_willis: drwxr-xr-x: command not found
[05:47] <zen_> ok we can install java if u want just don't know if 5 or 6 is better for us
[05:47] <Dr_willis> chuen,  that was a ls -ld /sbin listing.. NOT a command.
[05:48] <endo602> can someone please help me
[05:48] <Dr_willis> zen_,  For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre      from the !Multiverse repository
[05:48] <chuen> Dr_willis: Oh - sorry yes .......
[05:48] <Dr_willis> zen_,  so try 'sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre'
[05:48] <zen_> ok i must enable repository 1 brb
[05:48] <Dr_willis> if you dont have 'multiverse' enabled - follow the !multiverse factoid page to do so.
[05:49] <chuen> Dr_willis: drwxr--r-- 2 root root 8192 2007-01-28 13:42 /sbin
[05:49] <Dr_willis>             drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-01-25 12:35 /sbin
[05:49] <zen_> Dr can we use ninja irc chat client here i like it much?
[05:49] <Dr_willis> you need to set the executable bit chuen  it seems.
[05:50] <chuen> Dr_willis: How do I do that?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> chuen,  for a dir to be +x = means others can 'enter/run' stuff from it.
[05:50] <jontec> hey is there any reason why grub lists my latest kernel as generic instead of amd64-generic?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> chuen,  sudo chmod ### /sbin   *but i forget what ## to use)
[05:51] <jontec> and uname -r returns 2.6.17-10-generic
[05:51] <memo_> jontec: for remove your old kernel bout
[05:51] <chuen> Dr_willis: It was originally 755 I think - shoudl I set it back to that?
[05:51] <memo_> you can modific the grub configuration file
[05:51] <Dr_willis> chuen,  may as well. :) 755 sounds right.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> chuen,  i always cheat and use 'mc' to set the things
[05:52] <zen_> ok universe enabled now i must anable backports
[05:52] <zen_> !backports
[05:52] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:52] <jontec> memo_: I don't want to remove it.... I want to know why it's generic instead of amd64 like my other ones
[05:52] <chuen> Dr_willis: Not sure what 'mc' is :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[05:52] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[05:52] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'll install and take a look
[05:53] <zen_> who knows if we can install ninja irc chat client on kubuntu?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> chuen,  mc is handy for things like this.. under the files is 'advanced chown' that lets ya click/set the perms.. :) and it shows the ## - 755  SEEMS to be the one we want
[05:55] <chuen> Dr_willis: I've st it back to 755 now. Installing MC
[05:55] <Dr_willis> zen_,  be sure to 'sudo apt-get update' after altering that apt.sources file
[05:55] <zen_> ok Dr i just did enable where it says backports universe multirevers both 2
[05:55] <Dr_willis> !java
[05:55] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:55] <Dr_willis> zen_,  so install  sun-java5-jre now :)
[05:56] <zen_> perfect
[05:56] <Dr_willis> and all so well documented. :)
[05:56] <Dr_willis> now if sun would just let us auto-include the stuff....
[05:56] <zen_> seems nothing to update from console whit sudo apt-get update just lists and then says reading packages so i think im fine getting java brb
[05:57] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks fo your help ttyl
[05:57] <Dr_willis>  sudo apt-get update    ---> JUST updates the sources/repositories listings...
[05:57] <Dr_willis> upgrade - upgrades the whole system
[05:57] <akrus> hm
[05:57] <akrus> have a question
[05:58] <akrus> I have 'Boot' folder on my old /dev/sda1 NTFS volume
[05:58] <akrus> which has memtest inside
[05:58] <akrus> is it needed?
[05:58] <_spaz> ubotu, thanks
[05:58] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[05:58] <_spaz> lol, really?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> !bot
[05:58] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> brb...
[05:58] <_spaz> lmao
[05:59] <akrus> heh
[05:59] <akrus> so anyone?
[05:59] <_spaz> !flash
[05:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:59] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[05:59] <zyth> anyone know where kdmrc is kept on kubuntu?
[05:59] <zen_> i got sun java 6 jre shall i put that or it's better 5 Dr?
[05:59] <_spaz> i still need to install it
[05:59] <zen_> got even 5 do
[06:00] <akrus>  /etc/kde3/kdm
[06:00] <apokryphos> zyth: dpkg -L kdm|grep kdmrc
[06:00] <akrus> hm
[06:00] <zen_> i love the power of debian repository packs haah
[06:00] <akrus> :)
[06:00] <zen_> sorry i ask much im just very insecure now as new user but in time im sure ill get better
[06:01] <padlefot> zen_ : learning from failing is the best way, fear not ;)
[06:01] <zen_> what u advise me to install then sun java 6 jre or sun java 5 jre got both here
[06:02] <Dr_willis> 'got both' 'where?"
[06:02] <zen_> yes i know that well and ready to backup for that reason
[06:02] <zen_> on adept
[06:02] <padlefot> use automatix to install java
[06:02] <zen_> from the backports
[06:02] <Dr_willis> never noticed.. i just use that apt-get install command
[06:02] <Dr_willis> DONT use automatix
[06:02] <LjL> !automatix | padlefot
[06:02] <ubotu> padlefot: automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[06:02] <Dr_willis> theres no need for it.
[06:02] <LjL> !java
[06:02] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:02] <zen_> ciao LJL
[06:02] <Dr_willis> sudo  install sun-java5-jre
[06:02] <Dr_willis> should get your java going
[06:02] <zen_> no im using adept here Dr and has both even 6 if u are intrested
[06:02] <padlefot> hehe, Dr_willis: fair enough ;-)
[06:03] <Dr_willis> zen_,  it pays to learn to use the shell..
[06:03] <Dr_willis> pays BIG time.
[06:03] <zen_> i prefare to avoid apt - get for now when i got same on adept
[06:03] <Dr_willis> oops i typoed.
[06:03] <zen_> im scared to mess up
[06:03] <padlefot> its also why people install ubuntu
[06:03] <padlefot> so they DO NOT HAVE TO USE THE SHELL
[06:03] <Dr_willis> zen_,  you are using apt, adept is calling it in the background
[06:04] <padlefot> go slackware or suse if you want to learn real linux
[06:04] <zen_> yes i know was just saying not from console i prefare adept
[06:04] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  he asked how.. and  sudo apt-get install  install sun-java5-jre is the 'easyest' way to tell him.. clear, concise,. and no handholding - trying to tell him click herem there and everywhere..
[06:04] <padlefot> i know im just beeing an ass
[06:04] <Dr_willis> but if he can handle the search feature in adept - he should be able to find the package anyway
[06:04] <_spaz> does flash have an apt-get package?
[06:04] <zen_> but Dr if i got both java 5 and 6 in adept why u want apt - get?
[06:04] <akrus> _spaz: yep
[06:04] <zen_> yes in adept backports
[06:05] <Dr_willis> zen_,  flip a coin and isntall one then..
[06:05] <_spaz> lemme guess: sudo apt-get install flash?
[06:05] <akrus> is it okay if I'll leave Linux on /dev/sda6? :)
[06:05] <Dr_willis> zen_,  in the time it took adept to load.. i think i could of had the thing downloaded and isntalled :)
[06:05] <akrus> and clean /dev/sda1?
[06:05] <akrus> not flash
[06:05] <zen_> ok ill go for 6 then hoping it's stable
[06:05] <Dr_willis> !flash
[06:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:05] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[06:05] <akrus> flashplayer-nonfree
[06:05] <PhinnFort> is there some info on what patches are included in the (k)ubuntu kernel somewhere?
[06:05] <akrus> !flashplayer-nonfree
[06:05] <akrus> o_O
[06:05] <Dr_willis> Hmm !flash referes to itself..
[06:05] <Dr_willis> lol
[06:05] <akrus> lol
[06:05] <Dr_willis> !find flash
[06:05] <PhinnFort> !kernel
[06:05] <ubotu> Found: flashybrid, libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, libflash-swfplayer, libflash0c2 (and 6 others)
[06:06] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:06] <akrus> Synaptic lags x_X
[06:06] <akrus> oh
[06:06] <akrus> how is KDE4 development going? :)
[06:06] <akrus> what's the approximate release time?
[06:06] <zen_> Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6  installing
[06:06] <PhinnFort> akrus: soon
[06:06] <akrus> PhinnFort: summer?
[06:06] <PhinnFort> i dunno
[06:07] <akrus> :)
[06:07] <PhinnFort> they said some preview would be coming 1st quarter
[06:07] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:07] <akrus> wanna Kopete with ICQ File Transfers...
[06:07] <PhinnFort> of 2007
[06:07] <akrus> oh great
[06:07] <apokryphos> no release date set yet
[06:07] <akrus> waiting
[06:07] <akrus> the last screenshot looks promising
[06:07] <PhinnFort> just read planetkde and watch the progress
[06:07] <PhinnFort> yeah
[06:07] <PhinnFort> vector graphics ftw;)
[06:07] <akrus> Beryl to release soon too
[06:08] <PhinnFort> kwin will probably either integrate support for beryl plugins, or eradicate the need for them
[06:08] <akrus> KDE becoming better & better
[06:08] <zen_> btw Dr thanx much for help and adept seems very fast for me maby couse im amd 3000 1gb ram
[06:08] <Dr_willis> ive been playing with that mandriva  metis eye candy live cd the last day or 2. its sort of neat in differnt ways then Beryl.
[06:08] <akrus> didn't use Gnome for a little while
[06:08] <akrus> but I believe it's nice too
[06:08] <PhinnFort> gnome is a bit too simple, imho
[06:09] <zen_> whit 6 java is installing even 5 btw hope that's normal
[06:09] <akrus> hm
[06:10] <akrus> I'm using KDE just because it was the first GUI i met in Linux
[06:10] <akrus> and i dislike double panel of Gnome :)
[06:10] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> change it :)
[06:10] <PhinnFort> you can have it in KDE too
[06:10] <akrus> I know
[06:10] <akrus> :)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> install any of the 20+ other window managers.. have a blast
[06:10] <akrus> anyway KDE > Gnome
[06:10] <akrus> oh Enlightenment was nice too
[06:10] <PhinnFort> enlightenment is rather cool
[06:10] <akrus> I remember in Mandrake
[06:10] <akrus> :)
[06:10] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> I tend to set up whateer window manager does the job i need to do. :)
[06:11] <akrus> but it has problems with russian language support
[06:11] <PhinnFort> it's on the mPentoo livecd
[06:11] <PhinnFort> KDE does the job excellently, whatever job i need to do;)
[06:11] <akrus> :)
[06:11] <akrus> getting rid of NTFS volumes, finally
[06:11] <akrus> copying the data atm
[06:11] <PhinnFort> i don't like ntfs;)
[06:12] <akrus> I've switched to linux 2 months ago :)
[06:12] <jontec> any reason why they put all of the headers into one package? as in linux-generic.... all of my previous kernels were linux-amd64-generic... and does this linux-generic still have support for amd64? the package corresponding to the amd64 headers just references the generic package
[06:12] <akrus> well actually that's because of Vista :D
[06:12] <zyth> akrus: same, I am using linux on my desktop because I don't want to buy vista, lol
[06:12] <zen_> do i have to remove all of java 5 that installed whit java 6 when it's done?
[06:12] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:12] <akrus> well, I wanted to buy it
[06:12] <PhinnFort> i use linux because i love it;)
[06:12] <akrus> just I upgraded the PC
[06:12] <akrus> and vista died
[06:12] <_spaz> yay!
[06:12] <_spaz> flash is working
[06:12] <akrus> Linux changed the driver to vesa
[06:13] <akrus> and worked ok
[06:13] <_spaz> thanks akrus
[06:13] <akrus> so I decided to stay
[06:13] <_spaz> or are you another bot?
[06:13] <akrus> :)
[06:13] <akrus> nah
[06:13] <akrus> xD
[06:13] <Dr_willis> zen_,  you rarely have to worry about that stuff.. the apt system should auto do what it needs to do.. (SHOULD at least)
[06:13] <_spaz> they are annoying...
[06:13] <akrus> the only thing I miss - Trillian
[06:13] <PhinnFort> lol
[06:13] <zen_> ok super
[06:13] <akrus> but anyway it's to be released for Linux soon
[06:13] <PhinnFort> i never really understood why people enjoyed trillian so much
[06:14] <akrus> and Kopete 1.0 would be great too...
[06:14] <zen_> what about yum can i install it install rpm  or better not?
[06:14] <PhinnFort> i tried it, and it was "okay"
[06:14] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:14] <akrus> PhinnFort: it's great
[06:14] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[06:14] <PhinnFort> double that
[06:14] <akrus> PhinnFort: I'm the official translator xD
[06:14] <akrus> so I have lifetime license :D
[06:14] <PhinnFort> ah:P
[06:14] <PhinnFort> nice
[06:14] <akrus> yeah
[06:14] <akrus> Kopete has no File Transfer support for ICQ/AIM
[06:14] <akrus> and no client detection
[06:14] <akrus> SIM is so laggy :(
[06:15] <akrus> licq too
[06:15] <akrus> Gaim is ugly
[06:15] <PhinnFort> kopete has client detection afaik here
[06:15] <akrus> hm
[06:15] <Tm_T> client detection?
[06:15] <zen_> any one using yum here to install rpm what u advise to install it?
[06:15] <PhinnFort> i don't know about icq/aim, as i don't use it
[06:15] <akrus> it's when the remote client diplayed
[06:15] <akrus> e.g. in SIM profile: 'User is using QIP'
[06:15] <akrus> etc.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> zen_,  yum is not a ubuntu tool.
[06:15] <PhinnFort> akrus: i remember seing an option for enabling it somewhere in kopete
[06:15] <Dr_willis> zen_,  and the apt-get system dosent use rpms
[06:15] <akrus> PhinnFort: I do not :(
[06:15] <Tm_T> akrus: Does tell atleast in Jabber.
[06:16] <zen_> ok so ill ignore it then
[06:16] <akrus> I don't have many contacts in Jabber
[06:16] <Tm_T> akrus: Hmm, also MSN, I can tell who of my friends use bitlbee etc.
[06:16] <akrus> mostly ICQ
[06:16] <akrus> then MSN
[06:16] <zen_> why is it in repository just curius Dr?
[06:16] <PhinnFort> zen_: so people can play around with it?
[06:16] <PhinnFort> you don't have to use it just because it's in the reps
[06:16] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:17] <zen_> haha was just curius
[06:17] <akrus> I think I'll join some project
[06:17] <zen_> btw debian has so much stuff u get lost in it
[06:17] <akrus> at least I have experience developing :)
[06:17] <PhinnFort> Dr_willis: why is the sky pink
[06:17] <Dr_willis> PhinnFort,  from the blood of the newbies we spray!
[06:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:17] <PhinnFort> akrus: register on launchpad and start hacking away
[06:17] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:17] <PhinnFort> ;9
[06:17] <akrus> heh
[06:17] <akrus> I'd like to fix the translation bugs in amarok
[06:18] <akrus> cause 'BROKEN TRANSLATION' is not that good :x
[06:18] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:18] <akrus> and 'Paused' instead of 'Pause' too
[06:18] <PhinnFort> translation is really easy with rosetta
[06:18] <PhinnFort> done some translation meself
[06:18] <adaptr> HI, can anobody tell me which option to disable to get rid of the animated (colored, fancy-appearing) tooltips on the kicker panel ? I am trying to tune my desktop for speed, and KDE has so many options I'm starting to get dizzy...
[06:18] <akrus> rosetta?
[06:19] <akrus> adaptr: sudo killall -e kicker
[06:19] <akrus> :)
[06:19] <PhinnFort> akrus: the online translation tool in launchpad
[06:19] <adaptr> akrus: thanks
[06:19] <PhinnFort> !rosetta
[06:19] <ubotu> rosetta is a Web-based system for translating open source software into any language.  See https://launchpad.net/rosetta/+about
[06:19] <akrus> adaptr: hey
[06:19] <akrus> adaptr: I'm kidding
[06:19] <Dr_willis> adaptr,  thers a 'hide tooltips'  option somewhere..
[06:19] <PhinnFort> lol
[06:19] <adaptr> Dr_willis: there are at least three.. but none of them make *all* the tooltips go
[06:19] <Theory> that url is broken btw
[06:20] <akrus> xD
[06:20] <adaptr> Dr_willis: at least gnome has an XP-ish "tune for speed" option in its interface...
[06:20] <zen_> ok java 5 stopped at 22% couse im not able to click on the license ok
[06:20] <zen_> to go on how i solve that?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> adaptr,  im suprised gnome has allowed the users to 'make such a drastic decision'
[06:20] <adaptr> Dr_willis: which seems to be sadly lacking in KDE.. I'd much rather disable all candy and then enable only those I want than the (stupid) reverse
[06:20] <akrus> woot
[06:20] <akrus> data copied
[06:20] <PhinnFort> adaptr: there's supposed to be a wizard who sets up your KDE desktop when you log in the first time
[06:20] <PhinnFort> and it can tune the eyecandy
[06:21] <PhinnFort> KEyeCandyMeter or something
[06:21] <Dr_willis> adaptr,  the origial/standard kde has a little wizard for eye candy tuning.
[06:21] <adaptr> PhinnFort: I'll check that, thanks
[06:21] <Dr_willis> but im not sure if kubuntu removed it..or did somthing else with it
[06:21] <akrus> 10 Gb free T_T
[06:21] <PhinnFort> adaptr: run kpersonalizer
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i think the KUBUNTU faq mentions the packages to install to get it back.
[06:21] <ForgeAus> how well or badly do slackware packages work under debian?
[06:21] <zen_> i see why u said do apt- get install now Dr
[06:21] <PhinnFort> Dr_willis: it's here
[06:21] <ForgeAus> (erm kubuntu)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  i douldent think they work at all.
[06:22] <PhinnFort> ForgeAus: rather bad
[06:22] <ForgeAus> (I just copied zenwalks installpkg over seemed to work fine)
[06:22] <Dr_willis> zen_,  NOW you listen to me. :)
[06:22] <adaptr> PhinnFort: will do
[06:22] <ForgeAus> as for the installations not so sure
[06:22] <ForgeAus> Xnest worked
[06:22] <ForgeAus> (older version)
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I renamed the one I had to Xnest.old
[06:22] <ForgeAus> seemed to do the same thing
[06:23] <ForgeAus> but not sure coz I don't have all the things it asked for
[06:23] <ForgeAus> (fonts and stuff)
[06:23] <PhinnFort> i'm growing tired of ubuntu's default kernel... it's a horrible beast
[06:23] <PhinnFort> slow and unresponsive
[06:23] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:23] <apokryphos> !enter | ForgeAus
[06:23] <ubotu> ForgeAus: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:24] <PhinnFort> con kolivas would turn in his chair, if he wasn't busy churning out new patches
[06:25] <adaptr> PhinnFort: I'm surprised no-one has started tweaking the default kernels yet... and producing reliable replacements
[06:25] <akrus> almost done
[06:25] <akrus> how to change NTFS->EXT3?
[06:25] <PhinnFort> adaptr: br
[06:25] <PhinnFort> b
[06:25] <akrus> and is EXT3 or ReiserFS better?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> akrus,  i dont see much reason to use reiserfs for most people.
[06:25] <zen_> zen@zen-desktop:~$ !adept crash fix
[06:25] <zen_> bash: !adept: event not found
[06:25] <zen_> zen@zen-desktop:~$
[06:25] <adaptr> PhinnFort: ?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> zen_,  the ! thing is a bot command.
[06:26] <akrus> lol
[06:26] <zen_> yes im trying the adept crash fix
[06:26] <Dr_willis> rember !bot
[06:26] <Dr_willis> !adept
[06:26] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:26] <zen_> !adeptcrashfix
[06:26] <ubotu> If adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole: 'sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[06:26] <akrus> !adept < synaptic
[06:26] <ubotu> adept: package management suite for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:26] <sebbar> hi... what do I need to set up remote access to a machine?
[06:26] <padlefot> anyone here tried out vmware?
[06:26] <Dr_willis> sebbar,  depends on how you want to access it..
[06:26] <padlefot> sebbar: in what way?
[06:26] <akrus> sebbar: apt-get install vncserver
[06:26] <akrus> oh
[06:26] <zen_> ok im solving thanx
[06:26] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  i use vmware server all the time
[06:26] <tapas> sebbar: ssh
[06:26] <akrus> connect to or on local?
[06:26] <PhinnFort> dpkg < synaptic
[06:27] <PhinnFort> adaptr: i think i'll almost start doing it myself
[06:27] <akrus> SSH/Telnet/VNC
[06:27] <jbruckman> hey, does anyone know why adobe flash player wouldn't have any sound, but amarok would?
[06:27] <PhinnFort> fetching old beyond patchsets, and applying them to kernel sources
[06:27] <PhinnFort> jbruckman: i have the same problem
[06:27] <padlefot> Dr_willis: I just installed winxp - do you know if there are any video drivers for nvidia made to work wit vmware? It all worked out really well exept from the video card
[06:27] <sebbar> well see I'm setting up an ubuntu machine for my sister, but I'd like to have access to it just in case she screws something up or so.. what should I go for?
[06:27] <akrus> works for me :x
[06:27] <padlefot> +h
[06:27] <akrus> but lags in Opera
[06:27] <jbruckman> PhinnFort: have you found any documentation about it?
[06:27] <akrus> from Trevino's repo
[06:27] <PhinnFort> jbruckman: i think i fixed it by disabling my videodecoder
[06:27] <adaptr> PhinnFort: which parts have you identified that could be improved ? I understand that the Ubuntu maintainers have to configure for the MCD
[06:28] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  there are the vmware tools you can install that have updated drivers for the various vmware parts..
[06:28] <PhinnFort> alsa tried to mix it
[06:28] <jbruckman> PhinnFort: how'd you do that?
[06:28] <PhinnFort> adaptr: firstly, they could improve responsivity
[06:28] <padlefot> Dr_willis: hence vmware telling me the tools arent installed, thanx ;)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  logical eh? :)
[06:28] <PhinnFort> jbruckman: very troublesome
[06:28] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:28] <akrus> hm
[06:28] <padlefot> Dr_willis: too obvious ;)
[06:28] <akrus> how to format a drive? :x
[06:28] <PhinnFort> paste lspci and lsmod somewhere
[06:28] <adaptr> PhinnFort: which brings me to another quesiton: are there reliable ways of measuring kernel performance ?
[06:28] <jbruckman> PhinnFort: haha, is there a website, or a forum i could reference?
[06:28] <PhinnFort> adaptr:
[06:28] <PhinnFort> yes
[06:28] <padlefot> cant see the forest, for all the trees
[06:28] <PhinnFort> jbruckman: /msg me
[06:28] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  wait till you watch the things auto-install - its creepy
[06:29] <adaptr> PhinnFort: improving response is a matter of increasing uclock and implementing better schedulers... perhaps tweaking some default buffers
[06:29] <padlefot> "will greatly enhance video and mouse performance"
[06:29] <padlefot> lovely
[06:29] <akrus> mke2fs?
[06:29] <adaptr> vmware..brrrr
[06:29] <PhinnFort> adaptr: Con Kolivas has made it into an art
[06:29] <adaptr> PhinnFort: I know -I used to run his kernels on Gentoo :)
[06:29] <PhinnFort> me too
[06:29] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:29] <adaptr> all the rest sux0red
[06:29] <PhinnFort> but i switched to the Viper patchset
[06:29] <adaptr> ?
[06:29] <PhinnFort> it rocked
[06:30] <akrus> how to force unmount?
[06:30] <adaptr> who made that ?
[06:30] <PhinnFort> Vipernicus
[06:30] <PhinnFort> search the gentoo forums
[06:30] <Dr_willis> akrus,  what are you trying to do exactly?
[06:30] <PhinnFort> akrus: umount -f
[06:30] <padlefot> Dr_willis, it really is creepy
[06:30] <akrus> unmount NTFS volume :)
[06:30] <Dr_willis> padlefot,  :)
[06:30] <akrus> tells it's busy
[06:30] <akrus> but not using it atm
[06:30] <akrus> uh
[06:30] <akrus> using
[06:30] <akrus> xD
[06:31] <Dr_willis> you going to delete th drive?
[06:31] <akrus> yeah
[06:31] <padlefot> installing within win
[06:31] <akrus> NTFS->EXT3
[06:31] <PhinnFort> akrus: use "lsof"
[06:31] <PhinnFort> !lsof
[06:31] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:31] <PhinnFort> wtf?
[06:31] <akrus> wooty
[06:31] <akrus> unmounted
[06:31] <Dr_willis> You may have to reboot after fdisking the drive to make/chantge the partitions anyways.
[06:31] <tapas> i rather do alt-f2 xterm :)
[06:31] <PhinnFort> nvm
[06:31] <akrus> converting <3
[06:31] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:31] <tapas> or rather
[06:32] <Dr_willis> deleting is not converting. :)
[06:32] <akrus> mke2fs -T ext3 /dev/sda1
[06:32] <tapas> xterm -sl 10000
[06:32] <akrus> is it ok?
[06:32] <tapas> akrus: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[06:32] <Dr_willis> if its a ntfs partition now.. dont ya have to fdisk and delete/remake it ?
[06:32] <tapas> i sprobably easier to rmember
[06:32] <akrus> late xD
[06:32] <akrus> kay done
[06:33] <akrus> now fstab
[06:34] <akrus>  ext3: No journal on filesystem on sda1
[06:34] <akrus> what's this?
[06:35] <tapas> akrus: did you use mke2fs?
[06:35] <akrus> yep
[06:35] <tapas> you need the -J option, too then
[06:35] <akrus> k
[06:35] <tapas> read the manpage
[06:35] <tapas> don't trust my words
[06:35] <akrus> o_O
[06:35] <tapas> mkfs.ext3 does it all for you though
[06:35] <akrus> oops
[06:36] <akrus> k trying
[06:36] <akrus> format C: /q :x
[06:37] <akrus> nya
[06:37] <akrus> working
[06:37] <TheHermit> Firends while i was installing gimp through the termianl i close it but i idint mean to close and when i try to open another one to install gimp i cant bec its telling me that apt-get is using by another preccoser
[06:37] <TheHermit> So what to do to closethe another proc
[06:37] <hak5fan> Hi I've asked this question before, but forgot the command. How do I restart samba?
[06:38] <PhinnFort> how can i switch to feisty from edgy?
[06:39] <PhinnFort> do i just change my sources.list?
[06:39] <endo602> hi
[06:39] <akrus> ok, how to enable access to this folder for everyone?
[06:40] <akrus> umask=000 not working ~_~
[06:40] <PhinnFort> 777?
[06:40] <endo602> my mount -a is saying "Could not resolve mount point "  what does that mean?
[06:40] <BluesKaj> !fiesty
[06:40] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[06:40] <akrus> fiesty?
[06:40] <akrus> it's in feisty? o_O
[06:40] <PhinnFort> he was talking to be
[06:40] <PhinnFort> *me
[06:40] <BluesKaj> still works , even with the bad spelling :)
[06:41] <akrus> Unrecognized mount option "umask=000" or missing value
[06:41] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:41] <PhinnFort> is there any reason to use feisty now?
[06:41] <hak5fan> Does anyone know how to restart samba in ubuntu?
[06:41] <akrus>  /etc/init.d/samba restart?
[06:41] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: in command line or gui?
[06:41] <PhinnFort> command line is much quicker
[06:41] <hak5fan> command line
[06:41] <endo602> my mount -a is saying "Could not resolve mount point "  what does that mean?
[06:42] <hak5fan> or gui for that matter
[06:42] <PhinnFort> hak5fan: /etc/init.d/samba restart
[06:42] <akrus> PhinnFort: using Feisty, looks okay :)
[06:42] <akrus> endo602: dmesg|tail?
[06:42] <PhinnFort> akrus: how do i upgrade?
[06:42] <tapas> endo602: probably the mount point doesn't exist?
[06:42] <akrus> PhinnFort: no idea :)
[06:42] <endo602> it does
[06:42] <PhinnFort> endo602: fix your /etc/fstab
[06:42] <akrus> likely /etc/apt/sources.list -> Feisty
[06:42] <endo602> according to the directories
[06:42] <akrus> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:42] <endo602> PhinnFort, what specifically
[06:42] <hak5fan> PhinnFort:  tnx it workd
[06:43] <PhinnFort> endo602: spelling errors?
[06:43] <akrus> yep I'm right
[06:43] <akrus> PhinnFort: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:43] <endo602> aha
[06:44] <akrus> change all the 'edgy' to 'feisty'
[06:44] <PhinnFort> akrus: that's it?
[06:44] <akrus> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:44] <akrus> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop python-qt3 python-kde3 ubuntu-minimal
[06:44] <akrus> yep
[06:44] <akrus> and reboot
[06:44] <TheHermit> can i have a permision to folder wich is in the root folder
[06:44] <PhinnFort> ok
[06:44] <akrus> stdin: are you here?
[06:45] <endo602> PhinnFort, no spelling error
[06:45] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, why may I ask are you thinking of feisty when it's still alpha...admittedly not stable yet
[06:45] <BluesKaj> ?
[06:46] <PhinnFort> i'm used to ~amd64 from gentoo;)
[06:46] <endo602> i get this error too "mbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)"
[06:46] <PhinnFort> endo602: did you remember to sudo mount?
[06:46] <Taime1> why is that some sites think konqeror has active x controls but KNOW that firefox doesnt? is there some setting that allows konqeror to bypass these errors that i get when i use firefox for those same sites?
[06:46] <endo602> yes
[06:48] <BluesKaj> Taime1, game sites ?
[06:49] <Taime1> well, no
[06:49] <Taime1> let me give you two examples
[06:49] <Taime1> www.toonamijetstream.com  and  www.myspace.com/beansmendoza
[06:49] <Taime1> my son's favorite site and my wife's myspace page
[06:50] <Taime1> firefox cannot open either of those sites
[06:50] <Taime1> but konqeror can
[06:51] <BluesKaj> the myspace one is a bit much , backgroundwise in FF
[06:54] <BluesKaj> myspace is very transparent in FF
[06:56] <Taime1> okay, what about the jetstream page?
[06:57] <voggel> moin
[06:59] <BTR> Hi, all of a sudden theres alot of my keys that doesnt work, what could  have  hanned
[06:59] <voggel> habe gerade das erste mal kubuntu installiert und wollte standartmig opera draufpacken.. bin aber nicht dazu in der lage das zu installieren, da er den pfad nicht findet
[06:59] <PhinnFort> BTR: coke?
[06:59] <PhinnFort> !de | voggel
[06:59] <ubotu> voggel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:59] <voggel> thx
[06:59] <PhinnFort> np
[06:59] <endo602> what does it mean when i go into a folder and it sasy stalled at the bottom by status bar?
[06:59] <BTR> PhinnFort: what
[07:00] <PhinnFort> have you spilled sugar-water on your keys
[07:00] <PhinnFort> ?
[07:00] <jontec> can someone help me figure out how to setup my sound card? I need to setup the new alsa settings, but I think that alsa is having trouble with my headers
[07:00] <PhinnFort> endo602: it's working very hard
[07:00] <BTR> No, its the software that makes roblems
[07:01] <endo602> any reason it would do that?
[07:02] <PhinnFort> BTR: have you treated your software badly?
[07:02] <PhinnFort> when patch says this, should i press n or y?: The next patch would create the file include/linux/swap-prefetch.h, which already exists!  Assume -R? [n] 
[07:03] <Taime1> BTR: what language do you speak?
[07:03] <brett__> I am trying to watch a video off of youtube and there is no sound. I am able to play videos off of my hard drive fine with sound.... can someone help me trouble shoot
[07:03] <BTR> PhinnFort: Its my girlfriend tjat first exerienced it, and i dont know how to solve it
[07:03] <BTR> Taime1: Danish
[07:03] <Taime1> damn
[07:03] <PhinnFort> BTR: what exactly is the problem?
[07:04] <BTR> PhinnFort: i cant use haf of my keys
[07:04] <gaspipe1_> hey people
[07:04] <PhinnFort> BTR: can you manage to paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf to rafb.net/paste?
[07:05] <BTR> PhinnFort: I can try
[07:05] <brett__> can someone help me out please?
[07:05] <PhinnFort> i can type out the commands for you;): kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:05] <PhinnFort> brett__: do you have a tv-tuner?
[07:05] <radius> quick question, running kubuntu feisty, video and audio is choppy - any solution to this?
[07:05] <brett__> PhinnFort: no-
[07:07] <PhinnFort> brett__: can you type "lspci" in a konsole, and paste the output to rafb.net/paste?
[07:07] <brett__> PhinnFort: it just started working
[07:07] <PhinnFort> heh;)
[07:07] <brett__> PhinnFort: ?? thanks though
[07:07] <PhinnFort> np
[07:07] <N6REJ> good afternoon everyone... how can I copy files from one folder and overwrite the existing files on another.
[07:07] <BTR> PhinnFort: http://rafb.net/p/508aFI48.html
[07:08] <gaspipe1_> anyone know how to move the "program tabs" (the tab that opens on the bottom row to show which programs are running such as 2 firefox, 1 t-bird, and terminal) to the top panel where applications, lpaces and system is?
[07:08] <PhinnFort> BTR: are you sure it's software related?
[07:08] <Dr_willis> N6REJ,  cp command from the shell is one way.. or just drag and drop..  of course you are not very clear as to wat the problem is...
[07:08] <PhinnFort> have you tried with another keyboard?
[07:08] <jbruckman> PhinnFort: hey i'm back. could you help me with the tuner?
[07:08] <PhinnFort> jbruckman: yes
[07:08] <jbruckman> PhinnFort: thanks
[07:09] <BTR> PhinnFort: I can ask my gf, she comes home in 2O mins
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Home in 20 min! quick clean up the house!
[07:09] <PhinnFort> lol
[07:09] <carolyn> Some basic questions like: can you run the install cd as a live-CD?
[07:09] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: standard cp won't do it will it?  I have an app that I need to update the files from the svn.  so I need to cp /foldera -> /folderb (overwrite all )
[07:09] <Dr_willis> The Live cd can be installed..
[07:10] <Dr_willis>  N6REJ  cp has a large # of optuons.. so yes it can do it i am guessing..
[07:10] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: Ok, I'll take a look at the man.
[07:13] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: do you know if the default mysql 5 installation has these features built in ?    Select "Transactional Database" and "Online Transactions Processing (OLTP)
[07:13] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: or how to tell?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> N6REJ,  no clue. I dont sql :)
[07:13] <Dr_willis> mysql --version perhaps?
[07:14] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: that makes 2 of us LOL... thats an idea, I'll try it.
[07:14] <N6REJ> Dr_willis: nope :(
[07:15] <adaptr> N6REJ: man mysql(d)
[07:15] <N6REJ> adaptr: ty
[07:23] <PF-Away> heh, doesn't the ubuntu kernel even have prefetching?
[07:23] <beeiz> tralala
[07:23] <jontec> hey, wishie, you still available?
[07:27] <dope> i'm using nfs to mount a filesystem and i'm in the /etc/exports file putting in computers that will be able to access it but i will be in a different locations so my IP will be changing.  How can i access my nfs ?
[07:28] <Dr_willis> you are accessing your nfs shares over the internet? or a local lan?
[07:28] <dope> it would be over the internet
[07:29] <arriesp> hi
[07:29] <Dr_willis> dope,  you may want to look into the VPN stuff..  im not sure doing NFS that way is a good  idea.
[07:30] <dope> oh
[07:31] <Dr_willis> There may be some better ways.. but  now a days 'security' is king.
[07:31] <Dr_willis> and im not sure that nfs over the internet is considered that secure.
[07:32] <Dr_willis> http://www.linuxsecurity.com/content/view/117705/49/ - has some neat info on this topic.
[07:33] <Dr_willis> NFS is known to be in the top-ten most common vulnerabilities reported by CERT and was abusively exploited.
[07:34] <dope> damn
[07:34] <dope> so i guess vpn is the way to go
[07:34] <Dr_willis> or they tunnel nfs over ssh.
[07:34] <dope> i'm not really sure how to set one up though
[07:34] <Dr_willis> later in that artical.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> depends on what you are doing exactly with the shares and so forth.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> that sshfs stuff may do what you need easialy enough
[07:35] <xXmelvinXx> hey
[07:35] <xXmelvinXx> i have a question
[07:36] <xXmelvinXx> im new using kubuntu
[07:36] <Dr_willis> :) and....
[07:36] <xXmelvinXx> wait
[07:36] <xXmelvinXx> me
[07:36] <adaptr> !enter
[07:36] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:39] <Dr_willis> adaptr,  you scared him off the internet!
[07:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:39] <grazie> I lost sound when updating packages. Anyone got some suggestions for finding the problem?
[07:39] <Dr_willis> !alsa
[07:39] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:39] <adaptr> or he's composing a really long sentence right as we speak :)
[07:40] <grazie> done troubleshooting - no joy.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> My sound cards give me no hassles.. (joy) so i cant help much.. what was updated  that broke it?
[07:41] <grazie> Details here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81626
[07:43] <hak5fan> hi for some reason saba fails to start... why?
[07:44] <pixelation> oh noes... is konquer not compatible with flash AT ALL?
[07:45] <Dr_willis> works for me.
[07:45] <Dr_willis> youtube.com does at least
[07:45] <pixelation> really?... ok, where should I look, what technique did you use?
[07:46] <Dr_willis> installed flash9... and thats it...
[07:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:47] <Dr_willis> !flash
[07:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:47] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[07:47] <[StingRay] > Hi stdin. Can you give me a hand, please.
[07:47] <ninHer> and how can you solve this using amd64 ?
[07:47] <timster> I got given a harddrive today, 300 gig
[07:47] <timster> Is there anyway I can install beryl on kubuntu
[07:47] <Dr_willis> !beryl
[07:47] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:48] <Dr_willis> timster,  ive heard it can be done.. and no i havent done it. :)
[07:48] <timster> k, thanks
[07:48] <Dr_willis> i just played with it from some live cd's - and decided... bla.
[07:48] <timster> Any alternatives?
[07:48] <Dr_willis> other then 'get over the eye candy addiction' ?
[07:48] <Dr_willis>  :)
[07:48] <timster> !compiz
[07:48] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[07:48] <Bent> timster, I'm currently running beryl on kde
[07:48] <Dr_willis> i found the mandriva Metis live cd - to be more useable...
[07:49] <timster> Bent, how did you manage it?
[07:49] <timster> Is there a guide or somehting?
[07:49] <timster> Im not the most advanced of users.
[07:49] <Bent> timster, yes there is a guide to it
[07:49] <timster> Can you link to it?
[07:49] <Bent> timster, I'm trying to find it
[07:50] <timster> cheers
[07:50] <timster> >_< 165 packages to upgrade
[07:50] <[StingRay] > Hi all. I was using vmplayer successfully  10 minutes ago but now I have an error - /usr/lib/vmware-player/bin/vmplayer: /usr/lib/vmware-player/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2)
[07:50] <Bent> timster, I think it was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263851
[07:51] <timster> Ok
[07:51] <Bent> timster, eventhough I'm currently running it at fiesty
[07:51] <timster> Ok, ill give it a shot
[07:51] <Dr_willis> [StingRay] ,  thats not an error really.. mine sauys that all the time.. it always has.. it works fine anyway
[07:51] <Dr_willis> i tend to use vmware server however.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> work time - byeeeeeeeee
[07:52] <Bent> timster, just be aware what type og graphic card you have
[07:52] <[StingRay] > I was working, but now it refuses to start :(...why...
[07:52] <timster> Nividia i think
[07:52] <timster> Gforce
[07:52] <Bent> timster, same here ;)
[07:52] <timster> Cool
[07:52] <timster> Im just reading through before i go for it.
[07:52] <Bent> StingRay, problems with running wmware server?
[07:53] <Bent> timster, very wise :)
[07:55] <ubuntu___> How do I mount a ntfs hdd in linux on full write(im using the live cd[dapper64bit] )
[07:55] <zyth> its not the best idea.
[07:55] <tibbar> How do I mount a ntfs hdd in linux on full write(im using the live cd[dapper64bit] ). I don't care if it blows up my house
[07:55] <dope> tibbar: i think writing to ntfs is still experimental
[07:56] <zen_> !pastebin
[07:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:56] <solitarybit> Anyone here runnning a Radeon 7000 VE?
[07:56] <timster> !seth
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seth - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <timster> lol
[07:57] <drbeams> !mp3
[07:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:58] <zyth> !boredom
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about boredom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <zyth> heh
[08:00] <zen_> hello how do u see what java version u got in console?
[08:01] <tibbar> !ntfs
[08:01] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[08:01] <timster> !sex
[08:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:01] <timster> oh dear
[08:02] <zyth> wtf, my link to /home/foo/nwn/nwn doesn't work, but running /home/foo/nwn/nwn does.
[08:02] <zyth> grr
[08:02] <zen_> how do u see what version u got of java from console?
[08:03] <zyth> bah
[08:03] <zyth> nm solved issue
[08:03] <zen_> any one knows?
[08:04] <zyth> java -showversion
[08:04] <zyth> kyle@derputer:~$ java -showversion
[08:04] <zyth> java version "1.5.0_08"
[08:05] <zyth> like so
[08:05] <zen_> thanx
[08:05] <zyth> np
[08:05] <zyth> you'll have to scroll up to see it
[08:05] <zyth> lol
[08:06] <crazy_penguin> Hello everyone!
[08:07] <dg_> hello
[08:07] <dg_> slgum brazuca
[08:07] <zen_> thanx zyth
[08:07] <zen_> u advise me to remove java 5 to install 6 now i got same version as u
[08:08] <zyth> umm... why do I have no mouse in GW.
[08:13] <Thehound666> anyone have a good link to a how-to for setting up a squid proxy?
[08:13] <Thehound666> Google pulling up crap and I'm intersted in setting one up
[08:14] <zen_> !flashplayer
[08:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:14] <drbeams> can't heaar sound from amarok on shoutcast streams, why ?
[08:14] <Thehound666> meh flash self-installs for firefox
[08:14] <Thehound666> :)
[08:15] <Thehound666> wouldn't be sure except codecs maybe
[08:17] <herk> Help, please
[08:18] <herk> I've lost my panel
[08:18] <ulisse> ciao
[08:18] <Thehound666> hmmm sure it didn't just crash?
[08:18] <Thehound666> which restart may fix
[08:18] <ulisse> chi mi da una mano
[08:18] <herk> I've tried starting kicker from a command, I've tried rebooting - nada
[08:18] <herk> Seems like something's running the HD constantly, too.
[08:19] <cyber_brain_mfkg> how to open xyz port?any ideas?
[08:19] <Thehound666> that seems above me. I'm a relative newbie myself.
[08:19] <Thehound666> Just try to help if I can
[08:19] <herk> I switched to Gnome and it worked fine.
[08:20] <Thehound666> did you have gnome but running kde when you had the issue?
[08:20] <Thehound666> thinking maybe part of gnome ran and tried to use same resources
[08:20] <herk> no, I started with ubuntu, then upgraded to kubuntu
[08:20] <Thehound666> though not sure which that'd be
[08:21] <herk> I'm planning on reinstalling kubuntu from scratch
[08:21] <Thehound666> might wait for the experts
[08:21] <Thehound666> I'm not one of them...yet
[08:21] <herk> It's not just hidden somewhere.
[08:21] <ulisse> chi italiano
[08:21] <Thehound666> they seem away atm
[08:22] <Thehound666> was going to say remove gnome to test but if you put in gnome after the issue
[08:22] <Thehound666> I doubt it's the issue
[08:22] <herk> Yeah - I just logged out and logged back in in Gnome
[08:23] <herk> I even ran a Maxtor drive test and it passed.
[08:25] <chris____> what is a good program to download with like limewire
[08:25] <HymnToLife> !frostwire
[08:25] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:26] <chris____> thanks I'll check it out
[08:26] <dope> i just want to mount a drive from a remote computer while i'm out traveling.  is vpn the best way to do this?
[08:29] <zorglu_> q. is there a strigi package for dapper somewhere ?
[08:30] <mky023> Hi!
[08:31] <mky023> Am I alone??
[08:31] <dope> i'm with you always
[08:31] <mky023> Awesome!!! XD
[08:31] <dope> just like Jesus
[08:31] <yonkeltron> is there a channel for JSP discussion?
[08:32] <mky023> I don't Know what is JSP
[08:32] <dope> yonkeltron: possible, have you searched using the /list command?
[08:32] <yonkeltron> dope....looking really
[08:32] <dope> i'd say just find a java channel
[08:32] <dope> jsp is java server pages right?
[08:32] <yonkeltron> yes
[08:33] <yonkeltron> i just asked in ##java but they can get kind of snarky sometimes
[08:33] <yonkeltron> :_p
[08:33] <mky023> Ooo, this is great, everybody here knows something about computers... I felt strange in my classroom :p
[08:34] <dope> snarky?
[08:34] <dromer> low-end pc running edgy, the usb-device is in lsusb, but nothing gets mounted
[08:34] <dope> they're a bit pompus?
[08:34] <yonkeltron> dope: just rude and snappy sometimes
[08:34] <distro-tester> hello everyone
[08:34] <distro-tester> ok i installed chrootkit how do i make it gui to run it and add it menu?
[08:34] <drbeams> !opera
[08:34] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[08:35] <dope> yonkeltron: that seems to be a trend amoung programmers
[08:35] <kashual> lo peeps
[08:35] <distro-tester> do u know how to make rkhunter and chrootkit gui to run em and add them to menu ?
[08:36] <drbeams> programers forget, that without users, thier programs are simply an self contained expression of themselves
[08:36] <zorglu_> !info strigi
[08:36] <ubotu> Package strigi does not exist in any distro I know
[08:36] <kashual> http://www.rootkit.nl/
[08:36] <dromer> how can I mount my usb-stick? it's not automounted
[08:37] <kashual> http://www.tutorials-blog.com/linux-security/Just-ping/
[08:37] <yonkeltron> dope: i'm not snarky
[08:38] <drbeams> !easysource
[08:38] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:38] <kashual> dromer mout /dev/sd* sda1 sdb1
[08:38] <kashual> etc
[08:38] <Hoxxin_> so if i really want to play games on linux, the best choice is to use, cedega, ive read that works good, but it costs :(
[08:39] <kashual> just make sudo cat /etc/fstab or sudo cat /etc/mtab
[08:39] <distro-tester> i allready installed ckhunter and chrootkit from adept just want to add them to menu as they don't show in desk how u do that?
[08:39] <distro-tester> so i can rum em to
[08:39] <dope> yonkeltron: i'm not either but a lot of kids i went to school with are and a fair number of young programmers i meet online are
[08:40] <kashual> distro-tester http://www.tutorials-blog.com/linux-security/Just-ping/ read all them
[08:40] <distro-tester> ok
[08:40] <distro-tester> !it
[08:40] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:40] <jf> mmmh, ok got Twinview to work...not sure if any of you are familiar with Windows but there's this app called UltraMon which allow you to have two taskbars (Panel) I would like this under KDE...but each Panel controlling only the apps on this one screen
[08:41] <jf> Is there such a thing for Kubuntu? I've gotten a seperate Panel but it's doesn't do much but holds Widget and such
[08:41] <dromer> kashual: I just did $ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/usb  .. I can now see it in konqueror, but when umounting (same line but umount) I get: umount: /dev/sda1: not mounted
 Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders
[08:42] <jf> LOL
[08:42] <kashual> dromer no point to give
[08:43] <kashual> he will mount auto it as device name
[08:43] <dromer> kashual: ah ... hmm, so apperantly iy first umounts .. then says it's not mounted ..
[08:43] <kashual> for example
[08:43] <kashual> sudo mount /dev/sda1  will mount sda1 on /media/sda1
[08:45] <kashual> the device name will be forgiven dynamic ...... so u get first plugin usb stick it will be sda u get plug another in it will be named sdb
[08:46] <kashual> 1 2 3 and so means the partition on device so root partition are ever 1
[08:46] <kashual> dromer got it now
[08:46] <kashual> ?
[08:47] <kashual> dromer .....other then read here http://www.tecchannel.de/server/linux/402478/index7.html
[08:48] <kashual> !google kubuntu
[08:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about google kubuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:49] <kashual> lol no google lines in any bots here
[08:49] <kashual> :)
[08:49] <kashual> [20:47]  <usemody> !google mount usb
[08:49] <kashual> [20:47]  <ServiceBot> http://www.tecchannel.de/server/linux/402478/index7.html
[08:52] <distro-tester> ok ill ask again i just would like to know how to add to menu ckhunter and chrootkit i installed whit adept and know if they run in auto on pc or i must run em gui?
[08:53] <nagyv> distro-tester: not sure if I understood you correctly, but you can use kmenuedit to add new menu items
[08:53] <distro-tester> how do i find them?
[08:54] <nagyv> distro-tester: whereis ckhunter
[08:54] <distro-tester> im just tryig to add ckhunter and chrookit adept installed to menu nag
[08:54] <distro-tester> don't know
[08:54] <distro-tester> eheh
[08:54] <distro-tester> that's the problem
[08:54] <nagyv> distro-tester: try it again, I don't get you
[08:54] <distro-tester> do i have to run those 2 anti rookits or they work alone even if u can't see them on menu as iptables?
[08:54] <distro-tester> that's 1 question
[08:55] <distro-tester> 2 question if u can help me to locate them and add them menu
[08:55] <nagyv> distro-tester: they work regardless of the menu
[08:55] <distro-tester> i see
[08:55] <nagyv> distro-tester: use the command whereis, and after kmenuedit
[08:55] <distro-tester> in console?
[08:56] <distro-tester> like whereis ckhunter like this?
[08:56] <blekos> hello, i had messed up my system so i did a fresh install of kubuntu
[08:56] <blekos> but when i go to synaptic to install mozilla i get
[08:57] <blekos> mozilla-firefox-locale-gb install
[08:57] <blekos> but i cannot find it anywhere
[08:57] <nagyv> distro-tester: yes
[08:57] <atidem> hi
[08:57] <distro-tester> ok says desktop
[08:58] <nagyv> blekos: did you already installed firefox?
[08:58] <distro-tester> can't see it do
[08:58] <nagyv> distro-tester: isn't it on your desktop?
[08:58] <blekos> no
[08:58] <distro-tester> hehe
[08:58] <distro-tester> no
[08:58] <distro-tester> zen@zen-desktop:~$ whereis ckhunter
[08:58] <distro-tester> ckhunter:
[08:58] <distro-tester> zen@zen-desktop:~$
[08:58] <blekos> i've just logged in to the fresh install, hadn't the time to change anything yet
[08:58] <distro-tester> but no one can see it
[08:59] <distro-tester> ok blekos im glad u reinstalled everything back whit cd
[08:59] <distro-tester> now get help
[08:59] <distro-tester> so nag what i do?
[08:59] <distro-tester> it's not in menu neither in desktop
[08:59] <blekos> well, thought the best thing to do, then after i sort evrng out i'll have a good backup!!
[09:00] <distro-tester> nor ckhunter and chrootkit
[09:00] <distro-tester> !keep
[09:00] <nagyv> blekos: run apt-get install firefox
[09:00] <ubotu> keep: backup system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 189 kB, installed size 836 kB
[09:00] <blekos> i got the problem, i had enabled all repos
[09:00] <blekos> ;)
[09:00] <distro-tester> is keep the best way to back up for begginers nag?
[09:00] <blekos> no i can see firefox and a couple of other tools :)
[09:00] <distro-tester> i must backup everying to
[09:01] <nagyv> distro-tester: try the search functionality in the Kmenu
[09:01] <distro-tester> u nead to update repository blekos
[09:01] <distro-tester> and backports
[09:01] <distro-tester> !backports
[09:01] <blekos> i did it :)
[09:01] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[09:01] <distro-tester> ok then update
[09:01] <nagyv> !backup
[09:01] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[09:01] <nagyv> blekos: cool :)
[09:01] <distro-tester> nag i got java 5 but adept has 6 to wich one is best to install now i installed 5 shall i remove it for 5?
[09:02] <nagyv> distro-tester: I prefer to back up using partimage
[09:02] <blekos> i', m using pc xxx years now, and tried 2 migrated 2 linux a lot of times, but now its the time, linux is friendlier than ever, i've been having ubuntu since 5.x
[09:02] <nagyv> distro-tester: try to write my full name, then I will see if you write me something
[09:02] <distro-tester> ok i must use simple stuff im new to linux
[09:02] <blekos> but never serioulsy worked on it
[09:02] <distro-tester> nagyv
[09:02] <blekos> it's been only a couple of months now, i switch 2 windows only to sync my mob/pda :(
[09:03] <distro-tester> do i have to remove java 5 and put java 6 i got in adept nagyv?
[09:03] <nagyv> distro-tester: it is simple (I think), and can backup your whole system. then if you mess it up it can put you back everything in 5 minutes
[09:03] <distro-tester> ok
[09:03] <distro-tester> and for what i asked on java?
[09:03] <nagyv> distro-tester: probably not, but you can do it if you would like to
[09:03] <distro-tester> couse 6 is not stable yet right so better wait?
[09:04] <nagyv> blekos: that's one thing that I am still unable to do on Linux :(
[09:04] <blekos> yes, and it soo unfair...
[09:04] <[StingRay] > Should I set the suid bit on smbmnt in order to mount a remote share with rw permissions for a user other than root?
[09:04] <tidiman07> hello all
[09:04] <nagyv> distro-tester: no idea, I simply don't know
[09:04] <distro-tester> ok
[09:05] <nagyv> blekos: actually it can depend on your mobile
[09:05] <blekos> i got a mio a701, with wm5
[09:05] <tidiman07> i need help about bash scripting
[09:05] <[StingRay] > tidiman07 -> #bash
[09:05] <blekos> has anyone install flash plugin 9?
[09:05] <nagyv> blekos: yep :)
[09:05] <distro-tester> yes
[09:06] <distro-tester> it's in back ports
[09:06] <nagyv> !flash
[09:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:06] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:06] <distro-tester> u can install it from console or adept non free plug ins
[09:06] <distro-tester> it's called
[09:06] <blekos> does it work ok?
[09:06] <distro-tester> yes
[09:06] <nagyv> blekos: definitely
[09:06] <distro-tester> nagdksdkls
[09:06] <blekos> i had i minor prob with 7(?) firefox was crashing
[09:07] <distro-tester> u like it spelled like this?
[09:07] <distro-tester> im joking hehe
[09:07] <tidiman07> thanx
[09:07] <distro-tester> install 9 blekos
[09:07] <nagyv> distro-tester: probably you are using konversation, just type nag and click on TAB :)
[09:07] <distro-tester> nag
[09:07] <blekos> i'm going for it, iam reading a tutorial :)
[09:08] <distro-tester> nagyv:
[09:08] <distro-tester> nagyv: hello
[09:08] <distro-tester> what happens now i did that?
[09:08] <nagyv> distro-tester: I am also really happy that you are here, but please stop this :)
[09:08] <distro-tester> ok im just doing what u told me
[09:08] <nagyv> distro-tester: you just don't have to write my full name, konversation will complete it correctly
[09:09] <distro-tester> perfect
[09:09] <nagyv> distro-tester: you can try it with na, then you will get a list
[09:09] <distro-tester> done
[09:10] <distro-tester> nagyv: i istalled java 5 and flash 9 do i nead to install any thing  else whit firefox ?
[09:11] <distro-tester> like the java plugin for firefox?
[09:11] <nagyv> distro-tester: the kaffeine plugin?
[09:11] <distro-tester> says java plugin
[09:12] <nagyv> distro-tester: you can even set up firefox to use kde-programs for a couple of actions (I mean if you click on a link like mms:// then it is used to be a video, but firefox won't know how to handle the mms protocol)
[09:12] <distro-tester> Java plugin for mozilla/firefox
[09:12] <distro-tester> A metapackage containing dependencies for runing Java in mozilla browsers.
[09:12] <distro-tester> ok ill install firefox whit java plug in then next i nead vlc and plug ins to see every thing can u help me whit that?
[09:13] <nagyv> distro-tester: I have a j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin installed
[09:13] <jameo> hello
[09:13] <distro-tester> yes that's it
[09:13] <distro-tester> the one i resquest install whit firefox
[09:13] <distro-tester> will it be hard to get vlc now and plug ins to see everything?
[09:13] <nagyv> distro-tester: I don't know vlc
[09:14] <distro-tester> ok
[09:14] <blekos> cant w8t till i have install everything i need, then the fun starts-u know icons thems etc lol
[09:15] <distro-tester> blekos 1 of all put firestarter and the 2 anti rootkits
[09:15] <jameo> hello
[09:15] <distro-tester> what antivirus i nead nag just to be sure clamav or others in adept?
[09:15] <distro-tester> hi
[09:15] <blekos> i've putt firestarter already :)
[09:15] <nagyv> jameo: ahoy
[09:15] <blekos> what is anti rootkits though?
[09:16] <distro-tester> stuff to don't get u hacked
[09:16] <distro-tester> install both under rootkit voice adpet
[09:16] <distro-tester> adept*
[09:16] <blekos> what's their name in synaptics?
[09:16] <distro-tester> just write rootkits on search
[09:16] <distro-tester> ckhunter and chrootkit
[09:17] <nagyv> distro-tester: no clue, I don't mail on my system, and AFAIK there is no really a need for them under Linux (you can mainly spread the viruses for Windows users)
[09:17] <nagyv> !antivirus
[09:17] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[09:17] <nagyv> !antivirus | distro-tester
[09:17] <ubotu> distro-tester: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[09:17] <blekos> ok i'll do so
[09:17] <nagyv> !rootkits
[09:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rootkits - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <BluesKaj> clamav is a pita
[09:18] <distro-tester> what i must use then blues?
[09:18] <distro-tester> i got even other antivirus in adept
[09:19] <nagyv> !antivirus | distro-tester
[09:19] <ubotu> distro-tester: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[09:19] <distro-tester> btw on the install of java plugins i said yes to stop the grant permission is that correct?
[09:19] <distro-tester> nagyv: ?
[09:20] <nagyv> distro-tester: AFAIK yes
[09:20] <distro-tester> fine every one do that
[09:20] <distro-tester> it's important to be secure
[09:21] <nagyv> distro-tester: then don't use the net :)
[09:21] <distro-tester> !linuxvirus
[09:21] <ubotu> The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[09:22] <distro-tester> i olso got f prot maby i can install that
[09:22] <distro-tester> or norton whit anti spy adware and trojan haha
[09:23] <distro-tester> also*
[09:23] <distro-tester> hey blekos don't forgett anti trojan and worms
[09:23] <distro-tester> :D
[09:24] <blekos> !!!
[09:24] <blekos> do they exist in linux?
[09:24] <anosa> !kde-core
[09:24] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[09:24] <distro-tester> im joking
[09:25] <blekos> i was planning of installing clamav or aegis
[09:25] <blekos> what do u suggest
[09:25] <distro-tester> we got f prot to
[09:25] <blekos> last time i had clamav
[09:25] <distro-tester> im looking f prot seems very good to adept has it check it out
[09:25] <anosa> can anyone tell me what is kde-core? pls
[09:26] <distro-tester> there's also many other antivirus for linux antivir avg and so on but just couse we come from xp we are paranoic u won't nead them 99%
[09:26] <distro-tester> as soon as some one knows he will help u anosa
[09:27] <distro-tester> ahaha blekos here virus seem to be games for pc on adept
[09:28] <blekos> lol
[09:28] <blekos> dont quite get it i googling for rootkits, and are supposed to be bad for ur "health@
[09:29] <distro-tester> yes they are very dangerous
[09:29] <nagyv> anosa: probably a main kde package that contains almost every really-kde package
[09:29] <distro-tester> just install whit adept what i said search rootkits then ckhunter and chrootkit
[09:30] <distro-tester> nagyv do u use skype ?
[09:30] <nagyv> distro-tester: yes
[09:30] <distro-tester> do u know how to get in a skypecast as linux version dosen't have live button?
[09:31] <blekos> my adept is updating my system so i have 2 w8t
[09:31] <distro-tester> ok
[09:31] <killermach_> ok.. kubuntu seems to have stripped out many useful features in konqueror, I cannot figure out how to get them to display unless I reboot into Mandriva, 1) I have two folders same name, different locations, the konqueror window only shows the folder name, how do I get the folder name and FULL PATH in the title bar??
[09:32] <distro-tester> if u know nagyv would help much or if i can install last windows 3.0 skype whit wine
[09:32] <killermach_> .. 2) I make very much use out of the toolbar buttons that change the views, icons, detail, list, ect.. these are missing from konqueror, and from the Configure Toolbars, how do I get this into kubuntu?
[09:32] <nagyv> distro-tester: I don't know, but you can search for it in the wine software database www.winehq.org I think
[09:33] <distro-tester> im installing wine now whit adept what else i must add?
[09:33] <swami> cedega
[09:33] <distro-tester> whit it
[09:33] <swami> for games
[09:33] <distro-tester> don't play
[09:33] <swami> if u want
[09:33] <distro-tester> haribol swami
[09:33] <distro-tester> i mean of wine stuff is there some thing else i nead ?
[09:35] <distro-tester> it has libwine libwinedev winefish winedev i nead those to?
[09:35] <swami> just give a google for "apt-get install wine"
[09:35] <anosa> nagyv , so is it really lighter than kubuntu-desktop?
[09:35] <swami> and there will be
[09:35] <distro-tester> are u hindu swami prabu?
[09:35] <swami> pula-n cur distro-tester
[09:35] <nagyv> anosa: I don't think so
[09:35] <distro-tester> romania ?
[09:36] <distro-tester> what did u say swami u speaking rumenian?
[09:36] <anosa> nagyv , then how about this : http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde-core
[09:36] <distro-tester> couse pula is a bad word in romania
[09:37] <distro-tester> btw nagyv how do u get in skypecasts when u use skype?
[09:38] <newbiehere> (Newbie here) I rebooted my kubuntu machine only to discover that I cannot mount one of my harddrives. I get the error "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1" and "return code from mount was 32 'mount failure'". Any suggestions for what to do next? I have Spinrite.
[09:38] <distro-tester> if u know that can solve all
[09:39] <nagyv> distro-tester: I have never tried it, look around on the skype forums
[09:39] <nagyv> anosa: you are right, but this doesn't mean better at the same time. :)
[09:42] <BluesKaj> what is kde-core , a stripped down cersion of kde desktop ?
[09:42] <BluesKaj> version
[09:42] <LjL> !kde-core
[09:42] <ubotu> kde-core: the K Desktop Environment core modules. In component main, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[09:42] <LjL> and yes sorta
[09:42] <anosa> nagyv , but i wanna know more about it, im curious
[09:42] <BluesKaj> oh yeah , that tells me a lot
[09:42] <BluesKaj> :)
[09:43] <anosa> ;)
[09:43] <nagyv> anosa: you can always revert to the actual state, you just have to uninstall kde-core, and instead of the remove command you have to write install
[09:44] <anosa> nagyv , yeah sure
[09:44] <nagyv> anosa: look through the uninstalled programmes, and google after them. I was not really careful, but I saw that  it would remove openoffice and wireless assitant too.
[09:46] <anosa> nagyv , yeah and a lot of my favite programs, like Amarok etc etc
[09:46] <anosa> :((
[09:47] <nagyv> anosa: why are you sorry? you get a cool distro without pasting these commands? :)
[09:49] <anosa> yup, nagyv  actually i just wanna feel a more lite-weight kde, but if it willl ruin my box, i guess no but thanx, thanks but no
[09:50] <killermach__> newbiehere: you can recover the superblock from the many that are kept in the filesystem, if it is ext2(ext3)
[09:50] <nagyv> anosa: you can try out lighter distros (with different applicaitons), like xubuntu
[09:52] <anosa> nagyv , yes, but  i think kde is more complete desktop environment
[09:52] <nagyv> anosa: I agree, especially the ubuntu edition
[09:52] <anosa> yeah :))
[09:53] <distro-tester> !vlc
[09:54] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[10:04] <distro-tester> how do i !w32
[10:04] <killermach__> so no clues for tweaking konqueror in kubuntu back to a more usefuls state??
[10:04] <distro-tester> !w32
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w32 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <nagyv> !launchpad
[10:05] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[10:07] <JonB> Hi there, might I ask a question. I've just installed Kubuntu 6.10 on my Presario C310EA (running great)..but I can't get it out of 1.24x768..
[10:08] <JonB> Now X.org has 1280x800 in xorg.conf, which is baffling me.
[10:08] <JonB> err *1024
[10:09] <james> limewire isn't listed by mepis.. is there a deb or mepis/ubuntu version?
[10:09] <james> hi all
[10:10] <blekos> ok i am stack with smg weird when i change desktop my taskbar dissapears any ideas?
[10:10] <juano> james: you should download the rpm package from limewire.com and convert it to deb with alien
[10:11] <james> juano: did you do it and did it work?
[10:12] <juano> james: yes, sudo apt-get install alien
[10:12] <JonB> Yes james, it works.
[10:12] <james> thanks
[10:12] <JonB> sudo alien -i limewirerpm...after alien is installed.
[10:13] <juano> JonB: sudo alien -d -i limewirerpm ? or -i does the -d first by default ?
[10:13] <JonB> I'm no expert, but I've always just used alien -i
[10:13] <JonB> Works for me.
[10:13] <juano> JonB: ah then it should do
[10:15] <newbiehere> killermach__: it is ext3. fsck gave me got i/o and logical block errors so I am afraid it might be a serious hardware issue.
[10:19] <LeeJunFan> any recommendations on wiki and/or forum software available freely?
[10:20] <deicer>  heh
[10:20] <deicer> kubuntu isnt so bad
[10:20] <CrAcKeR> foughasdfo
[10:20] <deicer> any decient features? guyz
[10:20] <james> JonB: may i ask where to get a good "limewirerpm" and is that the real name?
[10:22] <james> anyone heard of   http://frostwire.com/   and is it as good as limewire or comparible?
[10:24] <JonB> james - No, that was not the real name. You could get the official RPM from limewire.com
[10:25] <james> is limewire commercial ware?
[10:25] <JonB> Limewire has a free version.
[10:25] <JonB> It's available from the website.
[10:26] <juano> james: yep 4.12 is the latest i think\
[10:26] <james> someone else mentioned to me because i was downloading off Shoutcast
[10:30] <slow-motion> n8
[10:32] <hak5fan> Hi.... I still have some problems with samba. Now, for some reason samba refuses to start. I've tried rebooting my machine, and I've tried to reinstall it... it won't start at all..........
[10:34] <x-factor_> !webcam
[10:34] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:35] <mastertsunami> anyone know why selecting Configure VPN in the knetworkmanager with pptp plugin would yield no results?
[10:35] <mastertsunami> is there a log or verbose mode i can rit in?
[10:43] <maziah> ola, having problem when i type 'bash linux' to compile Fish for irssi.
[10:44] <maziah> polymod.cpp: In member function PolyMod& PolyMod::operator*=(const PolyMod&):
[10:44] <maziah> polymod.cpp:110: error: setmod was not declared in this scope
[10:44] <maziah> polymod.cpp: In function void reduce(const Poly&, PolyMod&):
[10:44] <maziah> polymod.cpp:178: error: setmod was not declared in this scope
[10:44] <maziah> g++: polymod.o: No such file or directory
[10:44] <maziah> schoof.cpp: In function int main(int, char**):
[10:44] <maziah> schoof.cpp:983: error: setmod was not declared in this scope
[10:45] <ifti> can someone help me to stop and restart a network card in ubuntu
[10:45] <ifti> kubunut rather
[10:45] <ifti> kubuntu
[10:46] <JonB> ifti - tried a ifconfig <card> down... ifconfig <card> up?
[10:47] <ifti> yeah
[10:47] <ifti> I'm using madwifi-ng as the driver
[10:47] <ifti> so I did sudo ifconfig wifi0 down
[10:47] <ifti> and then up
[10:47] <JonB> Ah, wireless card. What are you trying to do, just restart it?
[10:47] <ifti> yeah
[10:47] <ifti> it gets stuck somehow
[10:48] <ifti> and if I reboot its fine
[10:48] <ifti> but I'm sick of rebooting
[10:48] <JonB> Ok, K menu->System Settings -> Network Settings...
[10:48] <JonB> From there you can disable/enable it.
[10:48] <ifti> tried that already
[10:48] <maziah> i use kwlan
[10:49] <ifti> the trouble is that its a madwifi-ng card
[10:49] <maziah> i can right click and enable/disable interface at will
[10:49] <ifti> or rather that I'm using madwifi-ng drivers
[10:49] <maziah> i also have atheros chipset
[10:49] <ifti> so wifi0 doesn't show up as a iface
[10:49] <crazy_penguin> nalioth: ping
[10:49] <ifti> but you have to make a VAP ath0
[10:49] <ifti> is there any way to like turn off the card
[10:49] <ifti> and then turn it back on
[10:49] <ifti> like from the cardbus
[10:49] <ifti> or pci
[10:50] <ifti> if I eject the card, I'll crash
[10:51] <juano> ifti: ifconfig [device]  down
[10:52] <juano> ifti: sudo ifconfig [device]  down
[10:52] <ifti> tried that
[10:54] <ifti> anyone here use madwifi-ng
[10:55] <maziah> yup
[10:55] <maziah> i have zero problems
[10:55] <ifti> I'm quite pleased with it too
[10:55] <ifti> just upgraded
[10:55] <ifti> but I was running kismet
[10:55] <ifti> and whenever I exit it
[10:55] <maziah> i can run kismet fine.
[10:55] <ifti> my wifi goes nuts
[10:55] <ifti> how is your kismet.conf set up?
[10:57] <desper> can somebody help me with realplay?
[10:57] <ifti> maziah: how do you exit kismet?
[10:57] <ifti> capital Q I presume?
[11:05] <ajboorde> HHow do I access my cd drive with ubuntu?
[11:05] <kuka> HHow do I access my cd drive with ubuntu?
[11:06] <ifti> have you tried putting a CD in it?
[11:06] <kuka> yes
[11:06] <kuka> But where do I access it
[11:06] <kuka> What folder
[11:06] <JonB> kuka - if it's mounted... /media/cdrom0
[11:06] <ifti> it should show up on the desktop
[11:07] <ifti> or you should get a window pop up
[11:07] <JonB> if not.. "sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom0"
[11:07] <ifti> look in /media
[11:07] <cpk1> the dev point is hardly ever cdrom its probably /dev/hdc or somesuch
[11:07] <juano> cpk1: its /dev/hdb mostly
[11:07] <JonB> Ah shit, course it's not.
[11:08] <JonB> Sorry, I flip from distro to distro.
[11:14] <nuxil> yo yo yo.. fresh install of kubuntu :D
[11:14] <nuxil> i love it
[11:14] <kuka> Now another question
[11:15] <kuka> How do I decompress .rar files in linux?
[11:15] <cpk1> unrar
[11:15] <kuka> is there a website
[11:15] <kuka> or is there a packet
[11:15] <cpk1> its in the repos
[11:16] <kuka> The what? (1st day with linux)
[11:16] <andremarte> ciao ragazzi, ho un piccolo problema, mi servirebbe sapere come formattare un hd da linux
[11:16] <cpk1> there is unrar (the non-free one) and unrar-free (the free one) however they both cost zero money
[11:16] <kuka> where is the repos
[11:16] <Sanne> kuka: this might clear things up a bit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[11:16] <cpk1> kuka: the repositories, you know aptitude, its how you will install most everything
[11:17] <kuka> Okay
[11:17] <rpedro__> !it | andremarte
[11:17] <ubotu> andremarte: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:19] <manchicken> !paste
[11:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:20] <nuxil> !repo
[11:20] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:22] <yaccin> i dont get my ICQ-Contacts displayed in kopete :( (edgy)
[11:23] <nuxil> how is kopete now. compared to amsn?
[11:24] <ifti> anyone know how to stop networkmanager?
[11:25] <yaccin> nui dont know amsn ^^
[11:25] <jbruckman> does anyone know what the wild character is for the command sudo apt-get? Example: sudo apt-get remove med-*
[11:25] <lounge> anyone know what it is that stops amarok from building a music library?
[11:25] <jbruckman> just so you know, that example DOESN'T work
[11:29] <cpk1> lounge: eh? you probably need some flavor of sql maybe if it isnt working
[11:30] <Sanne> jbruckman: according to 'man apt-get', your example should work, as far as I understand.
[11:32] <jbruckman> Sanne: I'm getting some weird problems... oh well. I need to grab some dinner, then I'll come back and work on it.
[11:32] <distro-tester> do u advise me to use amule or ktorrent?
[11:32] <Sanne> jbruckman: good luck, and enjoy your meal. :)
[11:34] <cpk1> distro-tester: they both do 2 different things, if you wanted to only use torrents then you would only need ktorrent and if you wanted an emule clone then you would only need amule
[11:34] <distro-tester> well i get attacks from edonkey and i don't have amule installed so what u think it's better not to install it?
[11:35] <distro-tester> firestarter is blocking many attacks from those ports every 5 sec
[11:36] <Legolas_Faol> how can I emulate Explorer?
[11:36] <ifti> google ie4linux
[11:36] <manchicken> Legolas_Faol: IE or the windows explorer?
[11:36] <ifti> good point
[11:37] <qRohde> hi, I got a friend with a newly installed kubuntu, he got a downloaded deb-file, how do he install it?
[11:37] <ifti> sudo dpkg -i <thefilename>
[11:37] <ifti> from the terminal
[11:37] <qRohde> ifti, thanks
[11:38] <Sanne> qRohde: but also make sure the application is not already in the official repositories. Most times there's no need to download and install by hand.
[11:38] <cpk1> qRohde: or you can right click it in the gui and install from there
[11:38] <qRohde> Sanne, it's skype :)
[11:38] <Sanne> qRohde: ok, I just wanted to make sure :)
[11:38] <Legolas_Faol> IE6 or 7
[11:38] <qRohde> Sanne, its ok
[11:39] <Sanne> :)
[11:39] <qRohde> cpk1, ok, thanks :)
[11:39] <distro-tester> do u know if we can use ninja che irc chat client ?
[11:40] <Legolas_Faol> manchicken: IE7 or IE6
[11:40] <Sanne> Legolas_Faol: (disclaimer: I didn't use this script myself and it is not connected to Ubuntu per se): http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[11:41] <sFEARs> hello channel
[11:41] <manchicken> Legolas_Faol: I don't think IE7 stuff is there.  IE6 works (minus activex) fine for testing.
[11:43] <Legolas_Faol> manchicken: sorry, how??
[11:44] <manchicken> Legolas_Faol: That link Sanne probably would help.
[11:44] <Sanne> :)
[11:44] <Legolas_Faol> ok, tnx
[11:44] <manchicken> Thank Sanne, not me ;)
[11:46] <Legolas_Faol> tnx Sanne!
[11:46] <Legolas_Faol> ;)
[11:46] <Sanne> Legolas_Faol: you're welcome :)
[11:46] <sFEARs> so i finally got kubuntu installed with only a couple minor problems.. and i have gigs worth of windows files that don't seem to be worth anything anymore
[11:47] <alina_> sal
[11:47] <sFEARs> anyone want to add thier opinion
[11:48] <eisma> anyone know how kubuntu would run on a laptop with only 96mb of memory?
[11:48] <eisma> and a pentium2 processor?
[11:49] <manchicken> sFEARs: I'm not quite sure what your question is.
[11:49] <sFEARs> can't say i quite got around to a question yet
[11:49] <manchicken> eisma: You may want to check out xubuntu.
[11:49] <sFEARs> i'm sure i'll think of some shortly
[11:49] <eisma> would that run better?
[11:49] <sFEARs> i'm running xubuntu on a PII
[11:49] <manchicken> sFEARs: I'm just not clear what information you're trying to obtain ^_^
[11:49] <surgy> how do i get mp3 support on K3b
[11:50] <manchicken> eisma: xubuntu is designed to be more light weight.
[11:50] <sFEARs> i have a little more than 96mb though
[11:50] <manchicken> !mp3 | surgy
[11:50] <ubotu> surgy: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:50] <sFEARs> how would i check how much memory i'm using
[11:50] <eisma> manchicken: what does it require?
[11:50] <Sanne> eisma: and also check out the alternate cd with a text based installer. 96 Mb might be a not enough for the desktop live/install cd.
[11:50] <sFEARs> right click on my computer right??
[11:51] <manchicken> eisma: Not quite sure. You may want to look at it.
[11:51] <sFEARs> wait.. MY COMPUTER IS GONE!
[11:51] <manchicken> !xubuntu
[11:51] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[11:51] <manchicken> sFEARs: ksysguard is great for that.
[11:52] <sFEARs> whatis ksysguard
[11:52] <sFEARs> i'm completly new to linux
[11:52] <sFEARs> is that already installed
[11:53] <surgy> manshicken: but that says nothing about K3B mp3support only divx support for totem
[11:53] <lounge> cpk1,
[11:53] <lounge> cpk1, you mean we're gonna have use something other than sqllite?
[11:54] <cpk1> lounge: that would be a flavor of sql =)
[11:54] <Sanne> sFEARs: if you are new, check out the "Kubuntu Desktop Guide" you'll get from the Help entry in the Kubuntu menu. It should help you with the basics.
[11:54] <lounge> i've tried installing one of the others before & it was a real mess.. :(
[11:54] <sFEARs> aight
[11:54] <lounge> cpk1, i've tried installing one of the others before & it was a real mess.. :(
[11:54] <surgy> sFEARs: ksysguard is like windows protection suite that comes with SP@
[11:54] <lounge> cpk1, at least it wasn't easy... :(
[11:55] <jmichaelx> surgy: there is a file you need to install from the repos... don't remember the name... 'k3b-mp3' or something like that
[11:55] <_`XeOn_> where do i find drivers for a vid card 3dfx voodooo 3?
[11:55] <cpk1> lounge: mysql and sqlite should both be easy since they are in the repos
[11:55] <jmichaelx> surgy: if someone else already answere you on your question, i apologize
[11:55] <surgy> jmichaelx: ok thnx ill serach
[11:55] <distro-tester> hello i installed bitchx from adept but im using console to run it couse can't find it in menu how do i add it?
[11:55] <lounge> he's new to it all - and i'm not too high up in the ranks either. and he has no net connection - most of it is me talking him through it on the phone.
[11:56] <lounge> ok - i'll cross my fingers ;)
[11:56] <McGraw> Hey,
[11:56] <lounge> cpk1, ^
[11:56] <Sanne> sFEARs: to check if you have ksysguard, type the name of the app in a konsole window, or start it with "Menu->Run Command". If it comes up, you have it ;)
[11:56] <Tachyon> Is there a good guide that gives a run down of the System Settings in Kubuntu?
[11:56] <Tachyon> I just have a hard time finding something when I need to find it
[11:56] <sFEARs> i'm guessing by the kubuntu menu you mean the applications menu? and i don't see a help menu anywhere
[11:56] <distro-tester> i really nead your help now ahah i just installed bitchx from adept but im using console to chat couse i can't find int in menu can u tell me how to add it as im now to linux?
[11:57] <cpk1> lounge: well you have the internet so technically you could download all the debs he needs for him
[11:57] <distro-tester> never chatted from a shell real cool
[11:57] <cpk1> lounge: but iirc amarok comes with kubuntu which means it probably comes with sqlite or mysql
[11:57] <jmichaelx> distro-tester: what program are you using to chat from the console?
[11:58] <distro-tester>  bitchx
[11:58] <Sanne> sFEARs: I mean the menu you get when you klick on the "K" icon on the panel, equivalent of windows start menu.
[11:58] <jmichaelx> ahh
[11:58] <McGraw> Hi again, somebody knows when can i dowload a great art gallery for openoffice?
[11:58] <sFEARs> yeah... i don't have help in there
[11:58] <sFEARs> i don't see a search either
[11:58] <distro-tester> i can't find it in menu or desktop so u know how to add it michale?
[11:58] <distro-tester> or it's not a gui client?
[11:58] <distro-tester> michael+
[11:59] <Sanne> sFEARs: you don't? Weird. You *are* on Kubuntu, yes?
[11:59] <sFEARs> well.. here's the story
[11:59] <Tachyon> sFEARs: I specifically mean the "System Settings" menu
[11:59] <jmichaelx> distro-tester: are you asking me? i have never used bitchx
[11:59] <distro-tester>  yes if u know how to add it to desk and menu
[11:59] <grim76> distro-tester: it is not a gui application...same as irissi for irc via cli
[11:59] <distro-tester> i see
[11:59] <sFEARs> i originally installed ubuntu
[11:59] <distro-tester> so i can just chat from console whit it?
[12:00] <sFEARs> then decided to upgrade to kubuntu thru aptitude
[12:00] <distro-tester> im new to linux but had they idea to try to see if it worked from console
[12:00] <distro-tester> cool btw
[12:00] <surgy> k3b-mp3 is only available as an rpg and i dont see it in the repos
[12:00] <lounge> i do - but he has a kubuntu cd which has amarok & all the libraries... he has sqlite - it comes with the kubuntu - and it works ok on the live disk - but no joy on his install :/
[12:00] <grim76> distro-tester: yes it is very handy for chatting from the CLI when you are remoted in from another place or CLI is the only thing available
[12:00] <sFEARs> i guess that would be the equivilent of installing kubuntu.. not quite sure how else to call it
[12:00] <sFEARs> anyway
[12:00] <distro-tester> cli is the console?
[12:00] <sFEARs> half way thru download/install my laptop lost power
[12:00] <grim76> distro-tester: yes
[12:01] <SammyF> hey there
[12:01] <distro-tester> grim i like ninja the irc client chat rpm can we use it here ?
[12:01] <McGraw> hi
[12:01] <distro-tester> hello
[12:01] <McGraw> i need help
[12:01] <nagyv> 'ask | McGraw
[12:01] <Sanne> sFEARs: so I guess you still have the Ubuntu desktop (Gnome)?
[12:01] <sFEARs> afterward... the kubuntu boot screen would show... kubuntu login...then gnome
[12:01] <nagyv> !ask | McGraw
[12:01] <ubotu> McGraw: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:02] <lounge> cpk1, i do - but he has a kubuntu cd which has amarok & all the libraries... he has sqlite - it comes with the kubuntu - and it works ok on the live disk - but no joy on his install :/
[12:02] <sFEARs> then for some reason.. i'd click on something.. and with no rhyme or reason... poweroff
[12:02] <distro-tester>  if grim or any one knows if we can use ninja it's a irc client chat in rpm u know anything about it ?
[12:02] <grim76> distro-tester: I have never heard of that IRC client I use irssi personally
[12:02] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[12:02] <McGraw> I want to install a clipart in for openoffice
[12:02] <distro-tester> fedora has it
[12:02] <sFEARs> sometimes it would be a right click.. sometimes opening console.. it would just poweroff
[12:02] <SammyF> I can't access directories through Konqueror anymore (shell access runs fine) and when I try to open the trashcan I get (trying to translate from french here, so bear with me if the english error looks slightly differently) "Error KIOExec - Malformed URL trash:/" ... any idea?
[12:02] <Sanne> sFEARs: that sounds like the half install didn't do good things to your system...
[12:03] <sFEARs> so i finally got failsafe open... and aptitude purge kubuntu
[12:03] <Sanne> ok
[12:03] <sFEARs> seemed to work alright
[12:03] <sFEARs> except i thought that was to uninstall kubuntu.. now i get a different login.. still kubuntu though
[12:03] <nagyv> McGraw: google could not help you?
[12:03] <sFEARs> and kde 3.5 on my desktop.. it's like the purge finished the install
[12:04] <sFEARs> and being unfamiliar so far.. i'm not sure what the hell is going on
[12:04] <SammyF> any idea?
[12:04] <vontux> if i delete something with "rm" am I correct in assuming that there is no way to retrieve it?
[12:04] <McGraw> I've downloaded a clipart from openoffice.org but i don't know how to install the tar.gz package
[12:05] <Sanne> sFEARs: sounds like quite a ride. I would try to install or even reinstall the package "kubuntu-desktop" (in case you didn't use this exact package already) and see where it gets me.
[12:05] <nagyv> vontux: no, but it is not easy to get it back.
[12:05] <JonB> Hmm has anyone else had problems with a WSXGA screen with Kubuntu (or linux in general)?
[12:05] <sFEARs> is there a way i can check for proper installation
[12:05] <SammyF> McGraw: checked what's in the archive?
[12:05] <nagyv> McGraw: try google, I get this in 5secs http://ooextras.sourceforge.net/ifaq.php
[12:05] <sFEARs> i did try that.. it just said something like 0 needed 0 installed
[12:05] <McGraw> ok i'll try
[12:05] <vontux> nagyv: can you explain the way to do it, or send me a link about the retrieval process?
[12:05] <sFEARs> i also tried the reinstall command.. i forget exactally what the command was, that didn't seem to do anything either
[12:06] <sFEARs> that's when i decided to purge.. and all of a sudden it seemed to work
[12:06] <SammyF> anyway ... anybody have any idea about the KIOExec error? (and yes .. I googled for it, and found two people having similar problems.. one didn't get an answer, the other one was on an italian forum:/
[12:06] <Sanne> sFEARs: so kubuntu-desktop seems to be installed. But if it is, you should have the "K Menu" and the KDE panel and desktop.
[12:07] <sFEARs> i have the k menu
[12:07] <sFEARs> and that's lots of stuff in there.. a lot more than ubuntu had
[12:07] <Sanne> sFEARs: but no help?
[12:07] <sFEARs> and there's*
[12:07] <sFEARs> nope
[12:07] <sFEARs> i have applicatoins
[12:07] <sFEARs> actions
[12:07] <sFEARs> and the log off/shut down stuff
[12:08] <sFEARs> and the run command
[12:08] <sFEARs> i have a home button beside that.. and the konquorer beside that
[12:08] <sFEARs> konqueror*
[12:08] <Sanne> sFEARs: hmm, might be edgy shuffled things around? I'm on Kubuntu 6.06. You're on edgy (6.10)?
[12:08] <nagyv> vontux: I can't find the webpage. try "undelete Linux" with google or something similar. Take care that you do not write to the partition.
[12:08] <sFEARs> 6.10
[12:09] <vontux> ok
[12:09] <vontux> thx
[12:09] <nagyv> vontux: you will also need to know the partition's type, probably it is ext3
[12:09] <nagyv> vontux: good luck! (you will need it)
[12:09] <vontux> yeah, it is ext3
[12:09] <Sanne> Can anybody on Kubuntu Edgy please tell sFEARs where the help entry is in the K-Menu?
[12:09] <nagyv> sFEARs: the first item over the lowest separator
[12:10] <Sanne> sFEARs: in the meantime, we can try something else. Do you know how to open konsole or another terminal emulator?
[12:10] <SammyF> sFEARs: just above "add/remove programms"
[12:10] <vontux> nagyv: its not biggie if it doesn't work out, but it is something I should know how to do in case I loose an important file
[12:10] <sFEARs> switch user
[12:10] <SammyF> sFEARs: or whatever it is called in english ;)
[12:10] <sFEARs> yeah.. i can get into konsole
[12:10] <sFEARs> and add/remove is under lost & found
[12:10] <nagyv> vontux: don't use the command line for deleting, and there won't be problems (you have a trash for the desktop)
[12:10] <SammyF> sigh
[12:10] <SammyF> sFEARs: weird .. I've got help between those
[12:11] <Sanne> sFEARs: when you now type ksysg<tab>, konsole should tab complete the application name, if you have it. If it does, start it with enter.
[12:11] <vontux> nagyv: thx for the advice
[12:11] <SammyF> sFEARs: but I installed the KUbuntu distro, not KDE out of GNOME
[12:11] <nagyv> I think that the same Help is used in every KDE application, so a simple F1 can also show him the help
[12:11] <sFEARs> is ksysg a command?
[12:12] <filthpig> ksysguard?
[12:12] <Sanne> sFEARs: no, ksysguard, but you can tab complete commands in konsole, very convenient.
[12:12] <sFEARs> nice
[12:12] <SammyF> nagyv: hmm .. F1 doesn't do anything for me ... but then .. I still have my disk problem ;)
[12:12] <Sanne> sFEARs: so, does it start?
[12:12] <sparr> is there a way to use wildcards with apt-get and have it pick (at random, i dont care how) between conflicting matches?
[12:13] <sFEARs> nope ksysguard command not found
[12:13] <sFEARs> i have a ksystraycmd
[12:13] <nagyv> sFEARs: isn't your whole system broken?
[12:13] <surgy> ok so im following these instruction http://www.pastebin.ca/331503 and am at the "cd k3b-0.11.23" part and the terminal sayss its not a valid directory can someone help please?
[12:13] <Sanne> sFEARs: ok, then you could install it. The package name is also ksysguard.
[12:13] <sFEARs> not exactally
[12:13] <sFEARs> alright
[12:13] <sFEARs> let me try
[12:14] <SammyF> sFEARs: alternatively, type ks and then tap twice on TAB
[12:14] <sFEARs> downloading
[12:14] <sFEARs> or i guess i should say reading database
[12:14] <frojnd> hello there
[12:14] <frojnd> I have problem
[12:14] <SammyF> frojnd: who doesn't?
[12:14] <frojnd> :)
[12:14] <sFEARs> what exactally is it called while it's doing this.. is it installing, downloading??
[12:14] <SammyF> ;)
[12:15] <frojnd> Ive installed boinc-manager and boinc-client and all the sudden 3gbs of my data are used...
[12:15] <Sanne> sFEARs: even if this succeeds, I'd like to help you get the help entry and the packages, if you have still time.
[12:15] <sFEARs> yeah.. i've got time
[12:15] <frojnd> I meand Ihave 3gb left and now I have 4mbs..
[12:15] <frojnd> :S
[12:15] <Sanne> sFEARs: yes, the package manager downloads and installs the package.
[12:15] <frojnd> that sux
[12:15] <sFEARs> i'm sure there's a lot more than just the help missing though
[12:15] <SammyF> frojnd: can't help you with that .. never installed boinc
[12:15] <nagyv> Sanne: isn't it better to reinstall it safely, instead of trying to find out what is missing?
[12:15] <sFEARs> is there a way to check to see how much was installed
[12:16] <sFEARs> or to verify the packages or something
[12:16] <sFEARs> md5 sum mabey
[12:16] <sFEARs> system guard is up
[12:16] <sFEARs> giving me a couple of graphs
[12:16] <james_xxx> ok now i am trying out bitchx... i don't appreciate the name of it, but otherwise it does rock
[12:16] <Sanne> nagyv: might be, but it *should* be possible to repair with the whole kubuntu-desktop, I'd like sFEARs to repeat installing this one. What do you think?
[12:17] <sFEARs>  ksysguard
[12:17] <sFEARs> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[12:17] <sFEARs>   Major opcode:  145
[12:17] <sFEARs>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:17] <SammyF> anyway ... anybody know what to do when one gets a KIOExec error "URL trash:/ badly formed" and access to any directory with Konqueror doesn't work anymore ( loads for a few minutes,  then stops loading and returns as if nothing had happened)
[12:17] <sFEARs>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:17] <sFEARs> Failed to open device
[12:17] <nagyv> Sanne: I agree, but we can also see a diff of his installed packages and the packages of a newly installed system, I have such a list