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distro-testerhello01:26
distro-testerid like to know when lessons are on im a new user01:26
tonyyarussoThey'll be starting up again shortly - we're still working on the schedule for this year.01:28
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distro-testerthanx tony goodnight01:52
tonyyarussonn01:52
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T-ROKhello10:14
T-ROKI need help accessing my windows files on ubuntu10:14
tonyyarusso!ntfs | T-ROK10:21
ubotuT-ROK: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse10:21
tonyyarussoThat should get you started at least - I'd recommend only reading, not trying to write to them.10:21
T-ROKyeah all i want is to read10:22
T-ROKis there an easy way to do this like some kind of GUI10:22
tonyyarussoAre you on Dapper or Edgy?10:23
T-ROKEdgy10:23
tonyyarussohmm10:23
T-ROKand this is my main computer so i don't want to mess it up.10:24
tonyyarussoLooks like no actually.  I don't know why the Disks dialogue disappeared in Edgy.10:24
T-ROKok10:24
T-ROKwell can you talk me through the other thing10:24
tonyyarussoThe script will work though, and thankfully the page is pretty straightforward in instruction.10:24
tonyyarussoProbably.  Give it a read through once, then ping me when you're done and we'll give it a whirl or answer any questions you have about it.10:25
T-ROKlike it says type the following lines....i don't know where10:25
tonyyarussoOpen Applications > Accessories > Terminal10:25
T-ROKok thank you10:26
nothlitubotu, give tonyyarusso terminal10:27
tonyyarussonothlit: ??10:27
nothlit!terminal > tonyyarusso10:27
nothlitthe factoid, so you can be lazy and include extra info10:27
T-ROKit wont let me type in my password10:27
T-ROKis it my password?10:28
tonyyarussonothlit: lol, I suppose.10:28
tonyyarussoT-ROK: When you type, no characters will show up, but it is actually taking it.10:28
tonyyarussoJust keep typing and hit enter.10:28
=== nothlit can't believe how many people are fazed by an actual secure login
nothlitbad microsoft!10:29
tonyyarussohehe10:30
nothlitanyways ntfs-3g has been tested EXTENSIVELY and for regular operations it works fine10:30
nothlitits just not production stable as in you can use it for medical information or anything10:30
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nothlitits better than captive, which uses window's own driver to do it so...10:31
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tonyyarussoSo it crashes maybe as often as Windows?10:32
nothlitno, it worked perfectly fine for me10:34
nothlitthere are known limitations10:34
nothlitand they're working on NTFS encryption/compression support10:34
nothlitbut under normal use it works fine10:34
nothlitits based off of the ntfsprogs driver, which fails gracefully if it can't do something, but i'm not sure if ntfs-3g does the same10:35
nothlitanyways filesystem testing is something thats done like in a span of 5-10 years10:35
nothlitwhich is why they label it beta10:35
nothlittonyyarusso, like people who still recommend against reiser310:36
tonyyarussoyeah10:36
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T-ROKhey i need help installing a program10:47
T-ROKit has a install text file but i dont know what its talking about10:48
T-ROKcan i send it to someone?10:48
tonyyarussoT-ROK: First, what program is it?10:49
T-ROKInternet DJ Console10:50
tonyyarussoT-ROK: You won't be using the files you have at all.  Install it from the repositories instead.10:51
tonyyarusso!repos | T-ROK10:51
ubotuT-ROK: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource10:51
tonyyarusso!software | T-ROK10:51
ubotuT-ROK: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline10:51
tonyyarussoT-ROK: The package name is idjc, and it's in the universe section.10:51
T-ROKok10:51
tonyyarusso(always check the repos before braving the world of manual installation)10:52
T-ROKok this is confusing me10:53
T-ROKok so on the synaptic thing i searched and gound idjc but what do i do from there10:55
tonyyarussoClick the box next to it, select "Mark for installation", then hit th "Apply" button at the top.10:57
T-ROKtheres notihng in the box next to it maybe i didnt find it10:58
tonyyarussoIt's a little checkbox sort of thing, right?  Click that.10:58
T-ROKno10:59
T-ROKyou said its in the universe section?10:59
T-ROKthere is no universe section10:59
tonyyarussoSure there is.  In the part about enabling components.11:00
T-ROKi cant find it11:01
tonyyarussoYou read the links from ubotu?  How far do you get in those instructions for enabling universe before you run into trouble?11:03
T-ROKi loked at them but i dont understand anything11:05
T-ROKis it easy for you to explain?11:05
tonyyarussoSort of.11:06
tonyyarussoIt's easiest to look at steps of the guides rather than trying to recreate them though.11:06
nothlitT-ROK, are you running dapper or edgy?11:07
T-ROKoh wait11:07
T-ROKi think ifigured it out11:07
T-ROKedgy11:07
tonyyarussoYou have Synaptic open, yes?  See "Repositories" in the options at the top?11:07
T-ROKyeah i just found it11:07
nothlitif you're running edgy, you go to System -> Administration -> Software sources and click the checkbox11:07
tonyyarussoCool11:07
T-ROKi was looking in the wrong place before11:07
T-ROKthanks guys11:07
tonyyarussonothlit: Oh yeah, forgot about the shortcut to it.11:07
T-ROKwell i have to go now11:07
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nothlitif you're running dapper you go to the same place but you need to EDIT the entry and then add multiverse and universe11:07
=== tonyyarusso gets lost on gui sometimes, since he uses aptitude...
nothlitaptitude is so superior over apt-get, i wonder why anybody doesn't use it11:08
nothlitand theres an ncurses version with mouse support for those synaptic people11:08
LjLnothlit: how do you know nobody uses it?11:09
nothlitLjL, people use it11:09
nothlitbut TONS of people still use apt-get/ don't know the advantages of aptitude11:09
nothlitnot just the dependency stuff11:09
LjLi use apt-get11:09
LjLwhat else?11:09
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nothlitgimme a sec to grab my old stuff11:09
LjLi couldn't care less about the ncurses interface for the record11:09
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nothlit<nothlit> you can use aptitude purge, aptitude hold, and no need for stupid apt-pinning11:10
T-ROKwait guys11:10
nothlit<nothlit> its a drop in replacement for all the apt-get stuff11:10
nothlit<nothlit> but also has better syntax11:10
T-ROKi still cant find it there11:10
nothlit<nothlit> plus you get nice marking, and searching, better layouts and powerful search patterns11:10
nothlitits more informative and cleaner that apt-cache too11:11
nothlitonly thing is its slower11:11
LjLall true i guess, and yet if you don't quite need all that...11:11
LjLright, *much* slower depending on the computer11:11
tonyyarussoLjL: My #1 reason was that (at least at the time) aptitude was better about dependencies on removal.  Thatwas basically it.11:11
nothlitbecause of database initialisation11:11
T-ROKi need help installing IDJC i cant find it on there11:11
tonyyarussoI still use apt-cache for searching.11:11
nothlitbut thats why i used apt-cache search when i wanted something fast, or ubotu11:11
LjLtonyyarusso: i used it too with dapper11:12
tonyyarussoT-ROK: What have you done so far, and what step is failing.11:12
tonyyarusso?11:12
nothlitapt-cache doesn't give you c,p,i and what not and tell you installation status under show11:12
nothlitT-ROK, ok, run sudo apt-get update11:13
nothlitbut close synaptic first11:13
T-ROKok11:13
nothlitand then relaunch synaptic and see if you can find it11:13
T-ROKso just type that in terminal11:13
nothlityes11:13
tonyyarussoI rarely use show for that much data - I use it for some basic level dependency checks, maintainer, and description.11:13
nothlitand then enter your user password if need be11:13
nothlitone of the secrets of aptitude... aptitude purge ~c11:14
T-ROKnope still nothing, am i supposed to just use the search feature and type in idjc cause thats what i have been doing11:15
nothlitT-ROK, do you know if you're running dapper or edgy?11:16
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T-ROKedgy i beleive11:16
T-ROK6.1011:16
nothlitok, close Synaptic again, and go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources11:17
nothlit!info idjc11:18
ubotuPackage idjc does not exist in any distro I know11:18
T-ROKok i opened it11:18
nothlit!info idjc > tonyyaruso11:18
ubotuPackage idjc does not exist in any distro I know11:18
tonyyarussowait....11:18
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tonyyarussoDOH!11:19
T-ROKwhat?11:19
tonyyarussoT-ROK: Sorry about that.....11:19
nothlitT-ROK, give us a sec lol11:19
T-ROKlol ok11:19
tonyyarussoIt's in _MY_ repos11:19
nothlitROFL11:19
=== tonyyarusso is on Feisty - the development version...
tonyyarussoso no, edgy wouldn't have it11:20
tonyyarussoum, yeah11:20
T-ROKok.....so how can i install it?11:20
nothlit!info idjc feisty11:20
ubotuidjc: graphical shoutcast/icecast client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.9-1 (feisty), package size 409 kB, installed size 1164 kB11:20
T-ROKyeah that would be it11:20
tonyyarussoWell, let's look at the depends and see if you can install the feisty package.11:20
T-ROKok11:20
tonyyarusso!info jackd11:20
ubotujackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.101.1-1 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 352 kB11:20
tonyyarusso!info libc611:20
ubotulibc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9992 kB11:20
tonyyarussolibc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1)11:21
tonyyarussouh oh11:21
nothlithe just wants to send an INSTALL text file to somebody for help, right T-ROK ?11:21
tonyyarussoYeah, pastebin that.11:21
tonyyarussoLooks like we'll need to compile after all.11:21
T-ROKi dont know i guess i just want this program lol11:21
nothlit!pastebin | T-ROK11:21
ubotuT-ROK: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:21
nothlittonyyarusso, have fun with your -dev hunting and checkinstall11:21
tonyyarussonothlit: eww...11:22
tonyyarussonothlit: Dude, he's going to have to enable feisty repos, get build-deps, then disable again, and compile from those...11:22
nothlitT-ROK, do you know how to extract archives?11:22
nothlittonyyarusso, what? idjc needs a newer libc6 and jack server?11:23
tonyyarussonothlit: See above.  >= 2.5 for libc611:23
T-ROKhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3241/11:23
nothlitoh no...11:24
T-ROKis this going to be easy?11:24
nothlittonyyarusso, libc6? he might as well install feisty? this might be a forget it thing then11:24
nothlitT-ROK, no this is something i wouldn't dare11:25
tonyyarussoT-ROK: likely not.11:25
T-ROKwhat :(11:25
T-ROKso i can't use this program?11:25
tonyyarussonothlit: He doesn't need to _install_ libc6 from feisty - only the source -dev.  He won't even enable the deb repo, only deb-src.11:25
nothlittonyyarusso, will it break anything unforseen though? its a pretty heavy dependency11:26
tonyyarussonothlit: I don't really know, but if done properly the worst case scenario would be that the program doesn't run - we shouldn't need to touch the actual system.11:26
T-ROKso is this a definite no for me?11:27
nothlitahh you'll have to do it, i've never used apt-get source... either grabbed source from the official project site or created a PKGBUILD11:27
nothlitT-ROK, nah its possible11:28
tonyyarussoT-ROK: Okay, here's the scoop: This is maybe 90% likely to be possible, and 0% likely to be easy.  Your call.11:28
nothlitT-ROK, it requires heavy guidance though11:28
T-ROKwell can one of you guys do some sort of remote assistance and do it for me?11:28
=== tonyyarusso wonders out loud, is ssh access a possibility?
nothlitactually thats easy to do, install x11vnc and do a reverse server connection11:28
nothlittonyyarusso, ssh is a pain to setup11:29
tonyyarussonothlit: You think so?  It's always been way more successful than vnc for me personally.11:29
nothlittonyyarusso, x11vnc is easier, or any reverse vnc actually for this... but you'll need to open your ports and run a listening vnc viewer11:29
tonyyarussosure11:30
nothlittonyyarusso, basically its putting internet routing part on us, running a listening client11:30
tonyyarussonothlit: know the port # offhand?11:30
nothlitso it takes out the hard configuring parts11:30
nothliti believe its 5600 for listening11:30
nothlitbut i can check11:30
nothlitanyways the vnc servers and clients will automatically handle it11:30
nothlitall you need to know is the x display number11:31
nothlit5500+display11:31
tonyyarusso(I need to forward on the router is the thing)11:31
nothlitfor listening11:31
nothlityeah, you don't  get funky NAT transversal or connection negotiation on linux, only windows11:32
nothlitvncviewer says its 5500 + display, if you use x11vnc it'll be 5500, if you use another server it'll be 550111:32
nothlitunless you run x0vncserver11:33
nothlitthats still 011:33
tonyyarussoForwarded 5500-565011:33
tonyyarussoshould be fine ;)11:33
nothlitrofl11:34
nothlitso just tell him to install x11vnc and then use x11vnc -connect tonnyyaruso.no-ip.com11:35
tonyyarussoSo I'm supposed to set up a listening server, eh?11:35
nothlitor org11:35
tonyyarussoBetter yet - I have a domain :)11:35
nothlittonyyarusso, listening client/viewer11:35
nothlitits mapped to your home ip? :O11:35
nothlitall you need is vncviewer -listen11:35
nothlitand to let it through your firewall11:35
T-ROKSo again i ask, Can one of you do a remote assistance kind of thing and get this working for me?11:37
tonyyarussolistening11:37
nothlitT-ROK, yes11:37
tonyyarussoT-ROK: Yep - do 'x11vnc -connect www.tonyyarusso.com'11:37
tonyyarussowithout quotes11:37
nothlitT-ROK, run sudo aptitude install x11vnc && x11vnc -connect www.tonyyarusso.com11:37
T-ROKok i did it now its doing something11:38
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tonyyarussoWe're up and running11:39
=== nothlit cheers!
T-ROKtheres that folder11:39
tonyyarussoT-ROK: Cool.  We'll get to that in a moment.11:39
tonyyarussoFirst, we need to add some repo fun stuff.11:40
tonyyarussoFeel free to minimize some of that nonsense so we don't have so much clutter.11:40
tonyyarussoThen, press Alt-F2, which will give you a box to put commands in.11:40
tonyyarussoIn that box, type 'gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list', again without the actual quotes.11:40
tonyyarussoGood stuff11:41
tonyyarussoNow, There are a few lines in that file that start with deb, and a few that start with deb-src.11:41
tonyyarussoComment out all of the ones with deb-src, by just putting a # in front of them11:42
tonyyarussoGood11:43
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tonyyarussoNow add new lines at the very bottom, NOT commented, of the following:11:44
tonyyarussodeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse11:44
tonyyarussodeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted universe multiverse11:44
T-ROKok11:47
tonyyarussoNow save the file.11:47
T-ROKthen close it?11:47
tonyyarussoYes.11:47
tonyyarussoThen, in a terminal window (Applications > Accessories > Terminal again), run 'sudo aptitude update'11:47
n2diytonyyarusso: do you have to close the file so apt-get can access it?11:48
T-ROKok done11:49
tonyyarusson2diy: No - just a clutter issue this time.11:49
n2diytonyyarusso: ok.11:49
tonyyarussoNow, 'sudo apt-get build-dep idjc'11:49
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tonyyarussoAll right, I see it.11:50
tonyyarussoHmm11:50
T-ROKok11:50
tonyyarussoReading some stuff quick11:52
T-ROKok11:52
n2diy! idjc11:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about idjc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:52
tonyyarussoIs debhelper installed?  'sudo aptitude install debhelper build-essential'11:52
nothlit!info idjc feisty | n2diy11:53
ubotuidjc: graphical shoutcast/icecast client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.9-1 (feisty), package size 409 kB, installed size 1164 kB11:53
n2diynothlit: tnx11:53
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T-ROKy or n11:54
tonyyarussoy11:54
=== tonyyarusso second guesses something
tonyyarussoOkay, I just had a thought about earlier.11:58
tonyyarussoOpen up the sources list again, with the same command as earlier.11:58
T-ROKwhich comand11:59
nothlitgksudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list11:59
tonyyarussogksu gedit /etc/apt/source.list11:59
nothliteither one11:59
=== tonyyarusso 's is shorter :)
tonyyarussoWow, and we BOTH made a typo12:00
T-ROKit didnt work12:00
tonyyarussoT-ROK: That should be sources with an s at the end :S12:00
T-ROKlol ok12:00
nothlitsources.list rofl12:01
nothlittonyyarusso, yeah, but it doesn't use sudo on all systems :P12:01
tonyyarussoOkay, now just copy-paste the two lines from before to below them, and then remove the -src part, so that you will have a deb and a deb-src for each12:01
tonyyarussonothlit: eh?12:01
T-ROKok12:02
tonyyarussoNow save and do 'sudo aptitude update' again12:02
nothlittonyyarusso, gksu uses the su method to authenticate on most systems non-ubuntu by default12:03
tonyyarussonothlit: ah12:03
T-ROKok done12:04
tonyyarussoSorry about the time it takes to do update over and over, but we have to be careful about order.12:04
tonyyarussoOkay, now do the 'sudo apt-get build-dep idjc' again12:04

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