[01:26] <distro-tester> hello
[01:26] <distro-tester> id like to know when lessons are on im a new user
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> They'll be starting up again shortly - we're still working on the schedule for this year.
[01:52] <distro-tester> thanx tony goodnight
[01:52] <tonyyarusso> nn
[10:14] <T-ROK> hello
[10:14] <T-ROK> I need help accessing my windows files on ubuntu
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> !ntfs | T-ROK
[10:21] <ubotu> T-ROK: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[10:21] <tonyyarusso> That should get you started at least - I'd recommend only reading, not trying to write to them.
[10:22] <T-ROK> yeah all i want is to read
[10:22] <T-ROK> is there an easy way to do this like some kind of GUI
[10:23] <tonyyarusso> Are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[10:23] <T-ROK> Edgy
[10:23] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[10:24] <T-ROK> and this is my main computer so i don't want to mess it up.
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> Looks like no actually.  I don't know why the Disks dialogue disappeared in Edgy.
[10:24] <T-ROK> ok
[10:24] <T-ROK> well can you talk me through the other thing
[10:24] <tonyyarusso> The script will work though, and thankfully the page is pretty straightforward in instruction.
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> Probably.  Give it a read through once, then ping me when you're done and we'll give it a whirl or answer any questions you have about it.
[10:25] <T-ROK> like it says type the following lines....i don't know where
[10:25] <tonyyarusso> Open Applications > Accessories > Terminal
[10:26] <T-ROK> ok thank you
[10:27] <nothlit> ubotu, give tonyyarusso terminal
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: ??
[10:27] <nothlit> !terminal > tonyyarusso
[10:27] <nothlit> the factoid, so you can be lazy and include extra info
[10:27] <T-ROK> it wont let me type in my password
[10:28] <T-ROK> is it my password?
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: lol, I suppose.
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: When you type, no characters will show up, but it is actually taking it.
[10:28] <tonyyarusso> Just keep typing and hit enter.
[10:29] <nothlit> bad microsoft!
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[10:30] <nothlit> anyways ntfs-3g has been tested EXTENSIVELY and for regular operations it works fine
[10:30] <nothlit> its just not production stable as in you can use it for medical information or anything
[10:31] <nothlit> its better than captive, which uses window's own driver to do it so...
[10:32] <tonyyarusso> So it crashes maybe as often as Windows?
[10:34] <nothlit> no, it worked perfectly fine for me
[10:34] <nothlit> there are known limitations
[10:34] <nothlit> and they're working on NTFS encryption/compression support
[10:34] <nothlit> but under normal use it works fine
[10:35] <nothlit> its based off of the ntfsprogs driver, which fails gracefully if it can't do something, but i'm not sure if ntfs-3g does the same
[10:35] <nothlit> anyways filesystem testing is something thats done like in a span of 5-10 years
[10:35] <nothlit> which is why they label it beta
[10:36] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, like people who still recommend against reiser3
[10:36] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[10:47] <T-ROK> hey i need help installing a program
[10:48] <T-ROK> it has a install text file but i dont know what its talking about
[10:48] <T-ROK> can i send it to someone?
[10:49] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: First, what program is it?
[10:50] <T-ROK> Internet DJ Console
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: You won't be using the files you have at all.  Install it from the repositories instead.
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> !repos | T-ROK
[10:51] <ubotu> T-ROK: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> !software | T-ROK
[10:51] <ubotu> T-ROK: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[10:51] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: The package name is idjc, and it's in the universe section.
[10:51] <T-ROK> ok
[10:52] <tonyyarusso> (always check the repos before braving the world of manual installation)
[10:53] <T-ROK> ok this is confusing me
[10:55] <T-ROK> ok so on the synaptic thing i searched and gound idjc but what do i do from there
[10:57] <tonyyarusso> Click the box next to it, select "Mark for installation", then hit th "Apply" button at the top.
[10:58] <T-ROK> theres notihng in the box next to it maybe i didnt find it
[10:58] <tonyyarusso> It's a little checkbox sort of thing, right?  Click that.
[10:59] <T-ROK> no
[10:59] <T-ROK> you said its in the universe section?
[10:59] <T-ROK> there is no universe section
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> Sure there is.  In the part about enabling components.
[11:01] <T-ROK> i cant find it
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> You read the links from ubotu?  How far do you get in those instructions for enabling universe before you run into trouble?
[11:05] <T-ROK> i loked at them but i dont understand anything
[11:05] <T-ROK> is it easy for you to explain?
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> Sort of.
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> It's easiest to look at steps of the guides rather than trying to recreate them though.
[11:07] <nothlit> T-ROK, are you running dapper or edgy?
[11:07] <T-ROK> oh wait
[11:07] <T-ROK> i think ifigured it out
[11:07] <T-ROK> edgy
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> You have Synaptic open, yes?  See "Repositories" in the options at the top?
[11:07] <T-ROK> yeah i just found it
[11:07] <nothlit> if you're running edgy, you go to System -> Administration -> Software sources and click the checkbox
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> Cool
[11:07] <T-ROK> i was looking in the wrong place before
[11:07] <T-ROK> thanks guys
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Oh yeah, forgot about the shortcut to it.
[11:07] <T-ROK> well i have to go now
[11:07] <nothlit> if you're running dapper you go to the same place but you need to EDIT the entry and then add multiverse and universe
[11:08] <nothlit> aptitude is so superior over apt-get, i wonder why anybody doesn't use it
[11:08] <nothlit> and theres an ncurses version with mouse support for those synaptic people
[11:09] <LjL> nothlit: how do you know nobody uses it?
[11:09] <nothlit> LjL, people use it
[11:09] <nothlit> but TONS of people still use apt-get/ don't know the advantages of aptitude
[11:09] <nothlit> not just the dependency stuff
[11:09] <LjL> i use apt-get
[11:09] <LjL> what else?
[11:09] <nothlit> gimme a sec to grab my old stuff
[11:09] <LjL> i couldn't care less about the ncurses interface for the record
 you can use aptitude purge, aptitude hold, and no need for stupid apt-pinning
[11:10] <T-ROK> wait guys
 its a drop in replacement for all the apt-get stuff
 but also has better syntax
[11:10] <T-ROK> i still cant find it there
 plus you get nice marking, and searching, better layouts and powerful search patterns
[11:11] <nothlit> its more informative and cleaner that apt-cache too
[11:11] <nothlit> only thing is its slower
[11:11] <LjL> all true i guess, and yet if you don't quite need all that...
[11:11] <LjL> right, *much* slower depending on the computer
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> LjL: My #1 reason was that (at least at the time) aptitude was better about dependencies on removal.  Thatwas basically it.
[11:11] <nothlit> because of database initialisation
[11:11] <T-ROK> i need help installing IDJC i cant find it on there
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> I still use apt-cache for searching.
[11:11] <nothlit> but thats why i used apt-cache search when i wanted something fast, or ubotu
[11:12] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i used it too with dapper
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: What have you done so far, and what step is failing.
[11:12] <tonyyarusso> ?
[11:12] <nothlit> apt-cache doesn't give you c,p,i and what not and tell you installation status under show
[11:13] <nothlit> T-ROK, ok, run sudo apt-get update
[11:13] <nothlit> but close synaptic first
[11:13] <T-ROK> ok
[11:13] <nothlit> and then relaunch synaptic and see if you can find it
[11:13] <T-ROK> so just type that in terminal
[11:13] <nothlit> yes
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> I rarely use show for that much data - I use it for some basic level dependency checks, maintainer, and description.
[11:13] <nothlit> and then enter your user password if need be
[11:14] <nothlit> one of the secrets of aptitude... aptitude purge ~c
[11:15] <T-ROK> nope still nothing, am i supposed to just use the search feature and type in idjc cause thats what i have been doing
[11:16] <nothlit> T-ROK, do you know if you're running dapper or edgy?
[11:16] <T-ROK> edgy i beleive
[11:16] <T-ROK> 6.10
[11:17] <nothlit> ok, close Synaptic again, and go to System -> Administration -> Software Sources
[11:18] <nothlit> !info idjc
[11:18] <ubotu> Package idjc does not exist in any distro I know
[11:18] <T-ROK> ok i opened it
[11:18] <nothlit> !info idjc > tonyyaruso
[11:18] <ubotu> Package idjc does not exist in any distro I know
[11:18] <tonyyarusso> wait....
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> DOH!
[11:19] <T-ROK> what?
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Sorry about that.....
[11:19] <nothlit> T-ROK, give us a sec lol
[11:19] <T-ROK> lol ok
[11:19] <tonyyarusso> It's in _MY_ repos
[11:19] <nothlit> ROFL
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> so no, edgy wouldn't have it
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> um, yeah
[11:20] <T-ROK> ok.....so how can i install it?
[11:20] <nothlit> !info idjc feisty
[11:20] <ubotu> idjc: graphical shoutcast/icecast client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.9-1 (feisty), package size 409 kB, installed size 1164 kB
[11:20] <T-ROK> yeah that would be it
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> Well, let's look at the depends and see if you can install the feisty package.
[11:20] <T-ROK> ok
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> !info jackd
[11:20] <ubotu> jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.101.1-1 (edgy), package size 94 kB, installed size 352 kB
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> !info libc6
[11:20] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9992 kB
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1)
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> uh oh
[11:21] <nothlit> he just wants to send an INSTALL text file to somebody for help, right T-ROK ?
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, pastebin that.
[11:21] <tonyyarusso> Looks like we'll need to compile after all.
[11:21] <T-ROK> i dont know i guess i just want this program lol
[11:21] <nothlit> !pastebin | T-ROK
[11:21] <ubotu> T-ROK: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:21] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, have fun with your -dev hunting and checkinstall
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: eww...
[11:22] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: Dude, he's going to have to enable feisty repos, get build-deps, then disable again, and compile from those...
[11:22] <nothlit> T-ROK, do you know how to extract archives?
[11:23] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, what? idjc needs a newer libc6 and jack server?
[11:23] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: See above.  >= 2.5 for libc6
[11:23] <T-ROK> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3241/
[11:24] <nothlit> oh no...
[11:24] <T-ROK> is this going to be easy?
[11:24] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, libc6? he might as well install feisty? this might be a forget it thing then
[11:25] <nothlit> T-ROK, no this is something i wouldn't dare
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: likely not.
[11:25] <T-ROK> what :(
[11:25] <T-ROK> so i can't use this program?
[11:25] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: He doesn't need to _install_ libc6 from feisty - only the source -dev.  He won't even enable the deb repo, only deb-src.
[11:26] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, will it break anything unforseen though? its a pretty heavy dependency
[11:26] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: I don't really know, but if done properly the worst case scenario would be that the program doesn't run - we shouldn't need to touch the actual system.
[11:27] <T-ROK> so is this a definite no for me?
[11:27] <nothlit> ahh you'll have to do it, i've never used apt-get source... either grabbed source from the official project site or created a PKGBUILD
[11:28] <nothlit> T-ROK, nah its possible
[11:28] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Okay, here's the scoop: This is maybe 90% likely to be possible, and 0% likely to be easy.  Your call.
[11:28] <nothlit> T-ROK, it requires heavy guidance though
[11:28] <T-ROK> well can one of you guys do some sort of remote assistance and do it for me?
[11:28] <nothlit> actually thats easy to do, install x11vnc and do a reverse server connection
[11:29] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, ssh is a pain to setup
[11:29] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: You think so?  It's always been way more successful than vnc for me personally.
[11:29] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, x11vnc is easier, or any reverse vnc actually for this... but you'll need to open your ports and run a listening vnc viewer
[11:30] <tonyyarusso> sure
[11:30] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, basically its putting internet routing part on us, running a listening client
[11:30] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: know the port # offhand?
[11:30] <nothlit> so it takes out the hard configuring parts
[11:30] <nothlit> i believe its 5600 for listening
[11:30] <nothlit> but i can check
[11:30] <nothlit> anyways the vnc servers and clients will automatically handle it
[11:31] <nothlit> all you need to know is the x display number
[11:31] <nothlit> 5500+display
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> (I need to forward on the router is the thing)
[11:31] <nothlit> for listening
[11:32] <nothlit> yeah, you don't  get funky NAT transversal or connection negotiation on linux, only windows
[11:32] <nothlit> vncviewer says its 5500 + display, if you use x11vnc it'll be 5500, if you use another server it'll be 5501
[11:33] <nothlit> unless you run x0vncserver
[11:33] <nothlit> thats still 0
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> Forwarded 5500-5650
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> should be fine ;)
[11:34] <nothlit> rofl
[11:35] <nothlit> so just tell him to install x11vnc and then use x11vnc -connect tonnyyaruso.no-ip.com
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> So I'm supposed to set up a listening server, eh?
[11:35] <nothlit> or org
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> Better yet - I have a domain :)
[11:35] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, listening client/viewer
[11:35] <nothlit> its mapped to your home ip? :O
[11:35] <nothlit> all you need is vncviewer -listen
[11:35] <nothlit> and to let it through your firewall
[11:37] <T-ROK> So again i ask, Can one of you do a remote assistance kind of thing and get this working for me?
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> listening
[11:37] <nothlit> T-ROK, yes
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Yep - do 'x11vnc -connect www.tonyyarusso.com'
[11:37] <tonyyarusso> without quotes
[11:37] <nothlit> T-ROK, run sudo aptitude install x11vnc && x11vnc -connect www.tonyyarusso.com
[11:38] <T-ROK> ok i did it now its doing something
[11:39] <tonyyarusso> We're up and running
[11:39] <T-ROK> theres that folder
[11:39] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: Cool.  We'll get to that in a moment.
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> First, we need to add some repo fun stuff.
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> Feel free to minimize some of that nonsense so we don't have so much clutter.
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> Then, press Alt-F2, which will give you a box to put commands in.
[11:40] <tonyyarusso> In that box, type 'gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list', again without the actual quotes.
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> Good stuff
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> Now, There are a few lines in that file that start with deb, and a few that start with deb-src.
[11:42] <tonyyarusso> Comment out all of the ones with deb-src, by just putting a # in front of them
[11:43] <tonyyarusso> Good
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> Now add new lines at the very bottom, NOT commented, of the following:
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty main restricted universe multiverse
[11:44] <tonyyarusso> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security main restricted universe multiverse
[11:47] <T-ROK> ok
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Now save the file.
[11:47] <T-ROK> then close it?
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Yes.
[11:47] <tonyyarusso> Then, in a terminal window (Applications > Accessories > Terminal again), run 'sudo aptitude update'
[11:48] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: do you have to close the file so apt-get can access it?
[11:49] <T-ROK> ok done
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> n2diy: No - just a clutter issue this time.
[11:49] <n2diy> tonyyarusso: ok.
[11:49] <tonyyarusso> Now, 'sudo apt-get build-dep idjc'
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> All right, I see it.
[11:50] <tonyyarusso> Hmm
[11:50] <T-ROK> ok
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> Reading some stuff quick
[11:52] <T-ROK> ok
[11:52] <n2diy> ! idjc
[11:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idjc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:52] <tonyyarusso> Is debhelper installed?  'sudo aptitude install debhelper build-essential'
[11:53] <nothlit> !info idjc feisty | n2diy
[11:53] <ubotu> idjc: graphical shoutcast/icecast client. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.9-1 (feisty), package size 409 kB, installed size 1164 kB
[11:53] <n2diy> nothlit: tnx
[11:54] <T-ROK> y or n
[11:54] <tonyyarusso> y
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> Okay, I just had a thought about earlier.
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> Open up the sources list again, with the same command as earlier.
[11:59] <T-ROK> which comand
[11:59] <nothlit> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[11:59] <tonyyarusso> gksu gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[11:59] <nothlit> either one
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> Wow, and we BOTH made a typo
[12:00] <T-ROK> it didnt work
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> T-ROK: That should be sources with an s at the end :S
[12:00] <T-ROK> lol ok
[12:01] <nothlit> sources.list rofl
[12:01] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, yeah, but it doesn't use sudo on all systems :P
[12:01] <tonyyarusso> Okay, now just copy-paste the two lines from before to below them, and then remove the -src part, so that you will have a deb and a deb-src for each
[12:01] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: eh?
[12:02] <T-ROK> ok
[12:02] <tonyyarusso> Now save and do 'sudo aptitude update' again
[12:03] <nothlit> tonyyarusso, gksu uses the su method to authenticate on most systems non-ubuntu by default
[12:03] <tonyyarusso> nothlit: ah
[12:04] <T-ROK> ok done
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> Sorry about the time it takes to do update over and over, but we have to be careful about order.
[12:04] <tonyyarusso> Okay, now do the 'sudo apt-get build-dep idjc' again