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| |KingFish| | hello everyone | 12:24 |
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| |KingFish| | anyone home? | 12:25 |
| Adri2000 | hi |KingFish| | 12:25 |
| |KingFish| | hey adri | 12:25 |
| |KingFish| | i'm seeking some help with my kubuntu | 12:25 |
| |KingFish| | installed kubuntu 6.06 last week | 12:25 |
| |KingFish| | first time i've installed linux since a way old version of mandrake | 12:25 |
| Adri2000 | did you try #kubuntu ? | 12:25 |
| |KingFish| | room was busy but nobody helped me | 12:26 |
| |KingFish| | it's not a kubuntu specific question i have though | 12:26 |
| |KingFish| | has nothing to do with kde desktop | 12:26 |
| Adri2000 | #ubuntu-motu is not a support channel | 12:27 |
| |KingFish| | ok, sorry for the bother | 12:27 |
| |KingFish| | thanks | 12:27 |
| Adri2000 | np | 12:27 |
| afflux | review me please :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4200 -- thank yoy | 12:27 |
| afflux | *you | 12:28 |
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| Adri2000 | afflux: version should be 20061204-0ubuntu1 and distro feisty | 12:30 |
| afflux | ups. | 12:31 |
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| pirast | Adri2000, wargh | 12:31 |
| Adri2000 | afflux: src/Makefile and README.html are modified without using a patch system and that's bad | 12:32 |
| afflux | src/Makefile contains a note about this, README.html wasn't on purpose | 12:32 |
| Adri2000 | afflux: I see +++ sauerbraten-20061204/debian/patches/01_makefile.dpatch but also +++ sauerbraten-20061204/src/Makefile | 12:34 |
| Adri2000 | don't change sauerbraten-20061204/src/Makefile and put all of the changes you want in the patch | 12:34 |
| Adri2000 | same for README.html | 12:35 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, Are you using grep? | 12:36 |
| afflux | Adri2000: yes. I had to change a dependency in the makefile because the make clean process (which is run by debuild -S -sa) would have created a makefile (which would have been added to the diff.gz) | 12:36 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: currently I'm reading the diff.gz in firefox :) | 12:37 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, ah, ;] | 12:37 |
| pirast | could anyone please review zatacka on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4209 | 12:39 |
| pirast | it's a new upstream release | 12:39 |
| Adri2000 | pirast: version: 0.1.6dfsg1-0ubuntu1, distro: feisty | 12:41 |
| pirast | ugh.. | 12:41 |
| afflux | extreme stupid question: where to set the distro? | 12:43 |
| Adri2000 | in the changelog | 12:43 |
| somerville32 | afflux: changelog | 12:43 |
| afflux | doh. | 12:43 |
| pirast | Adri2000, uploaded, thanks | 12:43 |
| afflux | instead of the "unstable"? | 12:43 |
| Adri2000 | package (version) distro; urgency | 12:43 |
| afflux | alright. | 12:43 |
| Adri2000 | afflux: yes | 12:43 |
| Adri2000 | afflux: debian/dirs is probably useless | 12:45 |
| pirast | Adri2000, any other suggestions to zatacka? | 12:52 |
| Adri2000 | looking | 12:53 |
| Adri2000 | pirast: you added dh_install --list-missing ? | 12:54 |
| pirast | Adri2000, yup | 12:54 |
| pirast | because I want to install the .desktop file | 12:54 |
| pirast | via zatacka.install | 12:54 |
| somerville32 | Question: If I upload a version of a package that is newer then what is in debian, do I put the debian version as 0? | 12:55 |
| Adri2000 | pirast: ok | 12:55 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: yes | 12:56 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, And, like the same with merges, make minimal changes? | 12:56 |
| Adri2000 | yes, or forward your changes to debian | 12:57 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, I should note that I'm doing this instead of merging. Is there anything else that I should do special? | 12:58 |
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| Adri2000 | why are you doing this instead of merging? | 12:59 |
| Adri2000 | pirast: I think zatacka if fine | 12:59 |
| Adri2000 | s/if/is/ | 12:59 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, Debian package fails to build | 12:59 |
| pirast | Adri2000, great :-) | 12:59 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: name of the package? | 01:00 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, xfce4-wavelan-plugin | 01:00 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, I've already conferred with gpocentek | 01:00 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, I just want to make sure I do it right all right :) | 01:00 |
| Adri2000 | yeah, nothing special to do, version 0.5.3-0ubuntu1, "new upstream release" and whatever else you change | 01:01 |
| somerville32 | Perfect. | 01:02 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: hmm, but I don't see any FTBFS, at least on i386 on the buildd | 01:03 |
| pirast | Adri2000, thanks.. sorry I am tired so I forgot to say ;-) | 01:03 |
| Adri2000 | np :p | 01:04 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, It failed for bbdebian, gpocentek, and myself | 01:04 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, Did you try building it? | 01:04 |
| Adri2000 | ah ok, in a feisty chroot, I was looking at the debian buildd | 01:05 |
| somerville32 | :) | 01:05 |
| Adri2000 | I'm trying to build it | 01:05 |
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| somerville32 | imbrandon, Any updates? :) | 01:09 |
| Simon80 | anyone want to review? | 01:09 |
| somerville32 | Simon80, Depends on what it is ;] | 01:09 |
| Simon80 | lol | 01:09 |
| Simon80 | can you? it's painless | 01:09 |
| somerville32 | I can review but not advocate it for ya | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | oh | 01:10 |
| somerville32 | Link? | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | don't bother then | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | it's been reviewed | 01:10 |
| somerville32 | Pfft. | 01:10 |
| somerville32 | Oh :) | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | it's the advocation I need | 01:10 |
| somerville32 | Simon80, New package? | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | logitech-applet | 01:10 |
| somerville32 | Oh, right | 01:10 |
| Simon80 | yeah | 01:11 |
| somerville32 | Whats the link anyhow? | 01:11 |
| Simon80 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4208 | 01:11 |
| Adri2000 | somerville32: FTBFS... but why do you believe it won't FTBFS if you package it yourself? | 01:12 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, gpocentek led me to believe that | 01:14 |
| Adri2000 | ok, try, we'll see :) | 01:15 |
| somerville32 | Adri2000, I'm going to upload 0.5.3+svn2458 | 01:16 |
| somerville32 | :) | 01:16 |
| Adri2000 | ah, that's different | 01:16 |
| somerville32 | Ok | 01:17 |
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| somerville32 | Adri2000, How so? :) | 01:17 |
| somerville32 | ie. What do I have to do differently? | 01:17 |
| Adri2000 | no, I meant that's different from uploading 0.5.3, and it may work better and not FTBS :) | 01:18 |
| Adri2000 | +F | 01:18 |
| somerville32 | :D | 01:19 |
| coNP | ! FTBFS | 01:19 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about FTBFS - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 01:19 |
| Adri2000 | !google define:FTBFS | 01:19 |
| chillywilly | Results for define:FTBFS on Google: | 01:19 |
| chillywilly | -- | 01:19 |
| Adri2000 | ahah: <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 01:19 |
| coNP | Adri2000: you are a human, what does FTBFS mean? :) | 01:20 |
| Adri2000 | coNP: FTBFS stands for Fail(s|ed) To Build From Source | 01:20 |
| coNP | oh, thanks | 01:20 |
| ash211 | I'm trying to build an amarok package with an extra compile options but don't have debuild | 01:25 |
| ash211 | what should I install to get it? | 01:26 |
| coNP | ash211: devscripts | 01:26 |
| afflux | Adri2000: Any idea about my makefile issue in sauerbraten? Problem is, that make clean would create a makefile in the debuild -S -sa process which would also go to the diff.gz. | 01:26 |
| ash211 | coNP: thanks | 01:26 |
| coNP | yw, ash211 | 01:28 |
| Adri2000 | afflux: it's ok to edit the Makefile for that, but not directly, use dpatch | 01:29 |
| afflux | the problem with dpatch is that these patches aren't applied while debuild -S -sa but later when building the binary package. It's too late. | 01:30 |
| Adri2000 | ahhh, yes, you're right | 01:31 |
| TheMuso | afflux: Are you using debhelper? | 01:31 |
| afflux | yes | 01:31 |
| TheMuso | I don't see why you couldn't patch the relevant files before you clean, and after you clean, unpatch them. | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | But I may be missing something here, coming in half way. | 01:32 |
| Adri2000 | can't you just remove the Makefile in the clean rule in debian/rules? | 01:32 |
| afflux | huh, this doesn't sound that bad. i gonna try. | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | Does the package use configure/make/make install to build? | 01:34 |
| afflux | the package contains a source and a library-source (which is used for static-linking). the library source uses configure, the main source only uses a makefile. | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | Thats... um... a little messy. | 01:36 |
| afflux | definetly. | 01:36 |
| TheMuso | afflux: If you have an interest in the package, over time you may want to work with upstream to change that. | 01:37 |
| afflux | i'll contact them, but not now... going to bed now. | 01:38 |
| afflux | thank you for your help. | 01:38 |
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| ademan | ugh, does anyone have a place where i can upload files for the time being? my webserver seems to have locked me out (i wonder if my account expired) | 01:48 |
| ademan | (specifically i want to upload a orig.tar.gz and a diff and a *.dsc) | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | revu? ;-) | 01:49 |
| ademan | hey, actually scratch that, maybe their server was down | 01:49 |
| ademan | LaserJock: i'd have to sepukku again if i uploaded this pile of crap to revu :-p | 01:49 |
| ademan | i still haven't fixed the libs into /usr/share yet | 01:49 |
| ademan | its actually why i need to upload it | 01:49 |
| ademan | cause i can't figure out where its happening | 01:49 |
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| Simon80 | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4211 | 01:57 |
| Simon80 | when's the freeze deadline anyway? | 01:57 |
| Adri2000 | FeatureFreeze, see FeistyReleaseSchedule | 01:58 |
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| Simon80 | ah, I have more time than I thought | 01:58 |
| Simon80 | but still, please review it :) it's done | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I'd rather people focus on merges and syncs right now | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | we have more time for REVU after UVF | 01:58 |
| ademan | does something have to be submitted to REVU before the feature freeze? or approved before it? | 02:01 |
| ademan | to make it into fiesty that is | 02:01 |
| Adri2000 | approved | 02:01 |
| LaserJock | should be *at least* uploaded to Universe before | 02:04 |
| somerville32 | Do merges and updated merges have equal priority or do merges have greater priority then updated merges (or vice versa)? | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | merges have higher priority | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | update merges means we've already merged the package once this release | 02:04 |
| TheMuso | So really we should get the outstanding merges done first. | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | it's possible that packages need to be approved by ubuntu-archive by FF to make it in | 02:05 |
| LaserJock | usually they make a push to get the queue cleaned by the freeze | 02:05 |
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| TheMuso | Wow. Either merges.ubuntu.com is really slow, or the file I am fetching with grab-merge.sh is taking AAAGES | 02:09 |
| TheMuso | cause its big | 02:09 |
| LaserJock | some of them are | 02:09 |
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| LaserJock | hi Hobbsee | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | hey LaserJock! | 02:26 |
| somerville32 | Hiya Hobbsee and LaserJock | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | hey somerville32 | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | hi Cody | 02:26 |
| TheMuso | Heya Hobbsee! | 02:28 |
| Hobbsee | hey TheMuso! | 02:28 |
| Simon80 | LaserJock: my package isn't in universe yet, that's why I need it reviewed | 02:39 |
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| LaserJock | Simon80: I know :-) | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | ah | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | reviewed before UVF* I mean | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | I'm just saying we have more time for REVU than for getting merges/syncs done | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | oh, I see | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | misread that completely | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | wait, no I didn't | 02:42 |
| Simon80 | you said more time for review AFTER UVF | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | yes | 02:43 |
| Simon80 | but if my package isn't reviewed until then, it can no longer get in, correct? | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | no | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | you have until Feature Freeze | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | which is 2 weeks after UVF for Universe | 02:43 |
| Simon80 | heh, that's the same time | 02:43 |
| Simon80 | oh | 02:43 |
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| crimsun | siretart: ok, thanks! | 03:27 |
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| Hobbsee | siretart: what do i have to do to get an account on REVU, again? | 03:34 |
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| LaserJock | how do you mean? | 03:35 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: you have one (you're a member of ubuntu-dev) | 03:35 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: crimsun a shell account? | 03:37 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: do you mean a shell acct on tiber? | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: er, yes. | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | sorry :( | 03:39 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: oh, ask Reinhard, I presume. | 03:39 |
| somerville32 | Has anyone tried tamil-gtk2im? | 03:40 |
| somerville32 | (for merge) | 03:40 |
| crimsun | Hobbsee: although any of him, Stefan, Andrew, and Raphael could add you | 03:40 |
| TheMuso | Is it common for packages.ubuntu.com to be out of date? | 03:44 |
| crimsun | yes. | 03:44 |
| TheMuso | Thought as much., | 03:44 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 03:55 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 03:55 |
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| === ScottK is curious if anyone had a change to look at his courier merge patch mess yet (Bug #81799)? | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799 | 04:08 |
| === ScottK will pick an easier one next time (and run screaming next time courier needs to be merged). | ||
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| crimsun | ScottK: most of those are acceptable. | 04:13 |
| crimsun | 0700 is more strict than 0755, so if that's what the Debian source package uses, and there aren't grave bugs open about it, then it's arguably correct. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | OK. | 04:13 |
| crimsun | the missing debconf dependency should be corrected, though | 04:14 |
| ScottK | Will double check BTS (didn't see any first time I looked). | 04:14 |
| ScottK | OK. | 04:14 |
| crimsun | the initscript/LSB interaction should be double-checked, too | 04:15 |
| superm1 | crimsun, did you get to mythtv/mythplugins yesterday? | 04:15 |
| ScottK | OK. I'm pretty sure that all existed in the previous package, but will look into it. | 04:16 |
| crimsun | superm1: no, I've been configuring an three hundred-person engineering lab all yesterday evening and weekend so far, so I've not had much time | 04:17 |
| bddebian | Wuss :-) | 04:17 |
| superm1 | crimsun, ot a big deal | 04:17 |
| superm1 | crimsun, 300 ppl? thats crazy big | 04:17 |
| superm1 | most of my labs have been <15 people | 04:17 |
| crimsun | it's huge, and I've been going batty as a result | 04:18 |
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| Simon80 | bddebian: thanks for the review :) | 04:21 |
| superm1 | crimsun, would you mind if i tried to get bddebian to look it over in effort to get this made sooner, or did you want to still be the one looking it over? | 04:21 |
| crimsun | superm1: the more eyes the better | 04:22 |
| superm1 | ok.. bddebian would you like to look over mythtv/mythplugins then? | 04:22 |
| somerville32 | Why does mom sometimes put "Remaining changes:\n -" and other times it doesn't? | 04:24 |
| LaserJock | what? | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it does ever does it? | 04:25 |
| somerville32 | It does, I swear it : P | 04:26 |
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| TheMuso | Some merges that are listed on the page are older than others. The newer ones have the remaining ubuntu changes thing added in the changelog. | 04:30 |
| TheMuso | For example, I think you will find that most of the updated merges will have it. | 04:31 |
| bddebian | superm1: Where are these? | 04:31 |
| superm1 | bzr branches for the debian directories are here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+branches, and upstream versions are here: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mythtv/mythtv_0.20-svn20070122.orig.tar.gz & http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/m/mythplugins/mythplugins_0.20-svn20070122.orig.tar.gz | 04:31 |
| bddebian | bzr?? WTF? :-) | 04:31 |
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| superm1 | hehe | 04:32 |
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| somerville32 | superm1, How is the bzr package development coming along? | 04:34 |
| bddebian | somerville32: Why did you stick wavelan-plugins on REVU? | 04:34 |
| superm1 | somerville32, i haven't touched the packaging for some time, just been needing a motu to look it over | 04:34 |
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| somerville32 | bddebian, For gpocentek | 04:34 |
| somerville32 | gpocentek, He is going to upload it for me | 04:35 |
| bddebian | somerville32: Ah, OK | 04:35 |
| somerville32 | bddebian, Want an easy merge? | 04:36 |
| somerville32 | Oh wait | 04:36 |
| somerville32 | nvm | 04:36 |
| crimsun | bddebian: want a difficult merge? | 04:37 |
| crimsun | ;) | 04:37 |
| bddebian | crimsun: You need something? | 04:37 |
| crimsun | several. We'll start with sleep, beer, and a life. | 04:37 |
| crimsun | aside from that, not really. | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Heh, well I can't help ya there, sorry | 04:37 |
| bddebian | superm1: I really don't know bzr yet :-( | 04:38 |
| superm1 | bzr pull BRANCHNAME | 04:39 |
| superm1 | will get you a copy of it | 04:39 |
| superm1 | so for mythtv it will be this | 04:39 |
| superm1 | bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu | 04:39 |
| crimsun | I'd think he'd want export instead of pull. | 04:40 |
| crimsun | oh, n/m me. | 04:40 |
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| somerville32 | superm1, You have to branch, not pull | 04:40 |
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| superm1 | oh, i've always pulled | 04:41 |
| superm1 | so bzr branch BRANCHNAME | 04:41 |
| bddebian | Hah, got 3 different answers already, must be good shit | 04:41 |
| somerville32 | superm1, You pull AFTER you branch | 04:41 |
| somerville32 | bddebian, What is the third answer? | 04:41 |
| bddebian | pull, export, and branch | 04:41 |
| jdong | ok, I just walked in but.... | 04:42 |
| crimsun | well, it doesn't make sense for bddebian to export, since he doesn't have the repo | 04:42 |
| jdong | export is not even in the same league of commands as pull/branch | 04:42 |
| crimsun | superm1: would export. | 04:42 |
| superm1 | okay well whats the difference with pull and branch then? | 04:42 |
| crimsun | e.g., export ../blah.tar | 04:42 |
| jdong | crimsun: does export work with a transport url as the branch? ;-) | 04:43 |
| jdong | superm1: pull is to update an existing branch | 04:43 |
| superm1 | oh pull needs an existing branch | 04:43 |
| superm1 | i see | 04:43 |
| jdong | superm1: branch (aka clone, get) actually gets it | 04:43 |
| superm1 | then somerville32 is right, "bzr branch LOCATION" | 04:43 |
| jdong | for the first time | 04:43 |
| somerville32 | haha | 04:43 |
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| jdong | somerville32: whoa, that didn't come out the way I meant it | 04:44 |
| jdong | somerville32: superm1 interjected my 2-line statement :) | 04:44 |
| === jdong has nothing against you ;-) | ||
| somerville32 | hehe | 04:44 |
| somerville32 | ok | 04:44 |
| superm1 | lol | 04:44 |
| jdong | yay for bzr | 04:44 |
| === somerville32 gets jdong some ice. | ||
| jdong | somerville32: I need it bad... I just rebooted from reiser4 :) | 04:44 |
| somerville32 | hehe | 04:44 |
| crimsun | jdong: apparently, as of 0.13, yes. | 04:45 |
| somerville32 | crimsun: Btw, the new kernel seems to fix my kernel panic fun | 04:45 |
| jdong | crimsun: lol :) so in a twisted way it'd kinda work :D | 04:45 |
| crimsun | * ``bzr export`` allows an optional branch parameter, to export a bzr tree from some other url. For example: ``bzr export bzr.tar.gz http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.dev`` (Daniel Silverstone) | 04:45 |
| crimsun | from the 0.13 announcement. | 04:46 |
| jdong | interesting | 04:46 |
| === jdong wonders if it's faster than doing a complete branch operation | ||
| jdong | for those who just want the latest pristine sources from a bzr branch | 04:46 |
| === jdong goes to benchmark | ||
| bddebian | superm1: What have you changed from the Debian-multimedia package? | 04:46 |
| bddebian | <sarcasm>Wow, this bzr branch crap is MUCH faster than wget foo</sarcasm> | 04:49 |
| jdong | bddebian: *sigh* performance is improving | 04:49 |
| jdong | with the addition of smart servers | 04:49 |
| jdong | but for now there is an additional roundtrip for every file in .bzr | 04:50 |
| jdong | so at minimum it's `find .bzr | wc -l` * latency | 04:50 |
| bddebian | This is nuts. I could have downloaded .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, diff.gz and built them by now.. | 04:51 |
| somerville32 | I find bzr branch rather quick | 04:51 |
| somerville32 | You can always do a light-weight checkout | 04:51 |
| somerville32 | Which is very quick | 04:51 |
| jdong | somerville32: a lightweight checkout is a nightmare to work with in the long run | 04:52 |
| jdong | somerville32: esp. when the other side is across a network transport | 04:52 |
| crimsun | well, everything's a nightmare on my 56kbps dialup. | 04:53 |
| crimsun | so I don't really see what y'all are bellyaching 'bout! | 04:53 |
| bddebian | Uhm, this is a cable modem and it's not even half way done | 04:53 |
| somerville32 | bddebian, The first branch is always the longest | 04:53 |
| somerville32 | But after that, it is pretty quick | 04:54 |
| bddebian | Jesus and that was just for the Debian dir, not even a tarball? | 04:54 |
| jdong | bddebian: the first branch takes a long time... | 04:57 |
| jdong | worst if your ping is really high to their server | 04:57 |
| bddebian | It doesn't take that long for me to cvs checkout the entire gnumach kernel source or hurd sources | 04:57 |
| jdong | bddebian: that's because they have various servers that took a poor admin hours and hundreds of grey hairs to set up | 04:58 |
| jdong | and now you're exaggerating.... or have satellite connection that pings @ 1500ms | 04:58 |
| bddebian | No I am not. I can pull an iso that fast. | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | yep | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I did a branch of the doc team bzr repo and it took 1 hr | 05:00 |
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| somerville32 | ... | 05:00 |
| jdong | it'll all get better with smart servers | 05:01 |
| jdong | that's why the other VCS'es branch so fast | 05:01 |
| jdong | and for the record it was a LOT slower with weaves | 05:01 |
| jdong | (the old repo format) | 05:01 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:01 |
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| bddebian | Well I don't want to be a jerk but it better get significantly better or I won't be using it. | 05:06 |
| TheMuso | Will smart servers allow for easier colaboration between users? | 05:08 |
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| LaserJock | bddebian: it's very good for local revision control | 05:09 |
| jdong | bddebian: the first pull is the most painful one | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | I don't use it much for remote work though | 05:09 |
| jdong | bddebian: subsequent operations will be very fast (incremental) | 05:09 |
| jdong | and local work is just bliss | 05:10 |
| jdong | TheMuso: kind of... it provides a simple bzr serve command that can be used to set up makeshift code sharing setups | 05:10 |
| jdong | without the need to set up an HTTP/FTP or SSH stack | 05:10 |
| jdong | jdong@jdong-laptop:/tmp$ time bzr export test.tar.gz http://bazaar-vcs.org/bzr/bzr.0.14/ | 05:11 |
| jdong | 05:11 | |
| jdong | real 3m56.831s | 05:11 |
| jdong | branch: real 12m0.656s | 05:11 |
| jdong | so if you only need one revision, exporting is faster than branching | 05:11 |
| jdong | good to know :) | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | does it actually save it as a tarball? | 05:12 |
| jdong | yes | 05:15 |
| jdong | it's smart like that | 05:15 |
| jdong | or you can tell it to export to a directory | 05:15 |
| jdong | it reacts to what extension you provide as the destination | 05:15 |
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| LaserJock | that'd rather cool | 05:16 |
| TheMuso | To me, bzr doesn't sound useful in colaborative environments outside of launchpad. | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | Unless you can set up the user infrastructure to give access to the directories you need for the branches. | 05:29 |
| TheMuso | via ssh | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | I like it | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | because I can drop a .bzr in http and it's all good | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | but it does take getting used to | 05:30 |
| TheMuso | I like it too. Easy to work with, sane command set etc. | 05:30 |
| TheMuso | The ability to just publish repos on http is great I agree. | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, so far most of the collaborative utility I see is with big areas like say LP or sourceforge | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | haha @ the quit message | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, quite interesting | 05:32 |
| TheMuso | I have hosting with dreamhost, and while I could set up a project on my webspace with a domain and bzr, I'd have to waste user allocations to allow ssh access for people to push branches. | 05:32 |
| === Hobbsee pokes TheMuso | ||
| TheMuso | Whereas their subversion offering doesn't require that you have users allocated from your limit to set up colaboration. | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | well | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | but the point of bzr is more individualistic I think | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | so *each* person should maintain their own branch | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | so you don't need to allow people to push to your branch | 05:34 |
| TheMuso | True. | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | I think it takes a different mentality | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure which I like better | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | probably depends on the project | 05:35 |
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| LaserJock | hi minghua | 06:00 |
| minghua | Hello LaserJock | 06:01 |
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| ademan | how might i go about making one source package create multiple binary packages? | 07:31 |
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| ademan | obviously debian/control would have multiple packages in it (multiple source and binary?), but what would i do for rules? multiple rules? would i have to sort into different debian/tmp files and whatnot? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | ademan: in debian/control there is one section for source then you can have as many binary sections as you want | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | you only have 1 debian/rules file | 07:36 |
| ademan | ah, alright, so then i divy the files up into multiple debian/packagename/ dirs? | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | you can have <binarypackagename>.install to tell which one | 07:37 |
| ademan | ah | 07:37 |
| ademan | where might i find a description of this file? | 07:37 |
| ademan | or an example | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | you can also have <binarypackagename>,dir etc. | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | .dir | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | it's just a file | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | that lists the item to install and where to install it | 07:38 |
| ademan | like | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | ademan: I'd recommend looking at the packaging guide | 07:38 |
| ademan | MySharedObject.so /usr/lib/MyCrap/ ? | 07:38 |
| ademan | i did a bit, i suppose it bears looking at it again huh? | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | usr/lib/MyCrap/ but yeah | 07:38 |
| ademan | no leading slash? | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:39 |
| LaserJock | because it's not installing to / | 07:39 |
| ademan | ah, interesting, doesn't make too much sense to me, but it's an easy rule to follow | 07:40 |
| ademan | (cause i mean if everything is relative to / that's logically the same as an absolute path, blah blah blah blah) | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | right, but you aren't installing to / | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | in fact you have no idea where you are installing to | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | so it needs to be relative | 07:42 |
| ademan | ah i get it, why not ./usr/lib/MyCrap then? just usr/lib/MyCrap is preffered? | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | it make more sense to me | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | *makes | 07:44 |
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| LaserJock | ./usr/lib/MyCrap would me `pwd`/usr/lib/MyCrap wouldn't it? | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | *mean, my spelling is really bad tonight | 07:45 |
| ademan | yeah i think that is what it would evaluate to, but wouldn't that be correct? oh i guess not since its not the pwd it's the install dir | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | well, you are actually installing to `pwd`/debian/<packagename>/ | 07:57 |
| LaserJock | or sometimes `pwd`/debian/tmp/ | 07:57 |
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| ademan | LaserJock: about debian/rules when something gets built, does it go into your pwd or the directory of the makefile? | 08:14 |
| ademan | (i mean normally, i'm sure it can be dictated by the makefile) | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | I think when things are built it's pwd | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | for example, when building from a tarball, you can build from a seperate build dir | 08:18 |
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| LaserJock | with a debian package | 08:19 |
| ademan | hrm, i wish i could just break out of the debian/rules so i could take a look around at the directories | 08:19 |
| ademan | right before clean | 08:19 |
| LaserJock | what do you mean? | 08:19 |
| ademan | like, halt the "execution" of the debian/rules so i can see what files are made and where they are | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | if you want you can run the whole thing manually | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | debian/rules is just a makefile | 08:20 |
| ademan | how? just make the individual targets by hand? | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | do it from the source dir | 08:20 |
| LaserJock | so make -f debian/rules clean | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | for instance | 08:21 |
| ademan | yeah, i guess i'd do make debian/rules build and then make debian/rules clean ? | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | well, whatever you want to do | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | you should try install too | 08:22 |
| LaserJock | anyway, time for bed, goodnight all | 08:24 |
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| mikeg41 | is anyone here? | 09:16 |
| mikeg41 | topic | 09:17 |
| mikeg41 | oops | 09:17 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:mikeg41] : Im new here, have no idea whats going on! | ||
| Lathiat | uh | 09:19 |
| mikeg41 | good evening | 09:20 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:Lathiat] : #ubuntu-motu to: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation | Add yourself to http://tinyurl.com/fgpgy to upload to REVU | ||
| Lathiat | Leave the topic alone, thanks :) | 09:20 |
| mikeg41 | sorry :) | 09:20 |
| mikeg41 | never used IRC before | 09:20 |
| mikeg41 | i was just following some tutorial | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | join a scratch channel if you want to try that out :) | 09:21 |
| Lathiat | like #mikeg41 or something :) | 09:21 |
| mikeg41 | so how does this irc channel relate to the MOTU project | 09:22 |
| mikeg41 | I was reading about it in the wiki last night, and I'm interested in getting involed | 09:22 |
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| ademan | mikeg41: well this is where people talk about packaging problems | 09:34 |
| ademan | (so i talk quite a bit :-) ) | 09:35 |
| ademan | also people ask for REVU (new packages must be revu (review)ed before they can make it into the repositories) | 09:35 |
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| Q-FUNK | how do we UNsubscribe ourselves form a bug? | 09:36 |
| Q-FUNK | launchpad only seems to have a way of adding people, not removing. | 09:37 |
| Q-FUNK | /whpois mpitt | 09:43 |
| Q-FUNK | argh | 09:43 |
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| siretart | Q-FUNK: in the left portlet, there is an edit subscriptions link to unsubscribe yourself or some group | 09:52 |
| Q-FUNK | it only seems to allow adding | 09:54 |
| Q-FUNK | siretart: there is NO _edit_ subscribtion, in the first plac.e there is only Add yourself or Add others. | 09:55 |
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| Fujitsu | You can subscribe anyone, but you can only unsubscribe yourself or a group you're a member of. | 10:09 |
| Q-FUNK | myself is precisely who i'm trying to unsubscribe. | 10:11 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: for me, there is a link called 'subscribe/unsubscribe' | 10:12 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: it is the same /+subscribe link | 10:12 |
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| Q-FUNK | clicking on that only shows an option to add me. | 10:13 |
| Q-FUNK | actually, looking at the bottom of the bug's page, it seems that what i get are notices, not subscribtions. I still want out of this bug, though. | 10:14 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: aah, so you are not subscribed to this bug | 10:19 |
| Fujitsu | Are you assigned/subscribed to the bug or any of it's dupes? | 10:20 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: which bug is that? | 10:20 |
| Q-FUNK | in a way, i am. i still get spammed every time someone adds something to the bug | 10:20 |
| Q-FUNK | 81721 | 10:20 |
| siretart | bug #81721 | 10:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81721 in upgrade-system "6.06-to-6.10 Upfailed" [Undecided,Rejected] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81721 | 10:20 |
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| Fujitsu | We've passed 80000 already? | 10:21 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: no, you are indirectly subscribed to this bug, but I don't really understand why | 10:21 |
| Q-FUNK | Fujitsu: I thought i had reassigned to the correct package, but it seems that clicking on the package name and changing it creates a dupe for the other package, nowadays. | 10:21 |
| siretart | Q-FUNK: I think that could be a bug in launchpad. you should ask in #launchpad about this | 10:22 |
| Q-FUNK | I later rejected the ug on my own package, but kept on receiving copies of everything there. | 10:22 |
| Q-FUNK | previously, clicking on the Affects link with the package name allowed to reassign. now, it instead creates a dupe. | 10:23 |
| siretart | *sigh* | 10:24 |
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| imbrandon | Fujitsu, hehe yea | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | 80000+ | 02:55 |
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| afflux | I uploaded something to revu last night but my system went down during the upload. now I have parts of my package in revu.tauware.de/incoming, but it's incomplete and reuploading gives an error ('553 Could not create file.'). Any idea how to fix this? | 03:04 |
| Adri2000 | ask an archive admin | 03:04 |
| Adri2000 | to remove the files from incoming | 03:05 |
| Adri2000 | err, not an archive admin, a revu admin | 03:05 |
| afflux | so someone of the "REVU Team" group for example in launchpad, right? | 03:06 |
| Adri2000 | https://launchpad.net/~revu-hackers | 03:07 |
| afflux | eh, found it... | 03:09 |
| afflux | siretart, ajmitch, raphink: could you please remove the sauerbraten* packages and the dcut.Kjell_Braden*.commands files from incoming? thanks a lot. | 03:10 |
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| siretart | afflux: you work on sauerbraten? | 03:13 |
| siretart | afflux: are you in touch with the debian games team? Fuddl just asked me to look at his sauerbraten packages to upload them to debian. | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: how does one get an account on tiber? (to resync the keyring) - i've forgotten :( | 03:14 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: you write me an encrypted and signed email with your initial credentials | 03:15 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: hi, btw ;) | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: initial credentials? meaning? | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | siretart: heya! | 03:15 |
| siretart | Hobbsee: your username and password | 03:16 |
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| Hobbsee | ahhhh | 03:16 |
| siretart | and in general, some explanation why you need the account and what for | 03:17 |
| siretart | resyncing the keyring is a good reason, since you are way more often on irc than me | 03:17 |
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| Hobbsee | siretart: for destruction purposes. duh :P | 03:18 |
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| siretart | ;) | 03:19 |
| StevenK | "So I can run 'rm -rf /' and blame you entirely" | 03:20 |
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| afflux | siretart: I just built the ubuntu package, yes. But I'm not a sauerbraten dev. No, I'm not in touch with debian. | 03:22 |
| afflux | (sry for slow answer, tor is lagging atm.) | 03:23 |
| siretart | afflux: I know that Fuddl from the debian games team is working hard on getting it ready for debian | 03:23 |
| siretart | afflux: please get in touch with him, so that we don't end up with 2 seperately maintained packages | 03:23 |
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| afflux | okay, i'll try. I just read about some license problems with the data content which caused the debian guys to stop this stuff. | 03:24 |
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| siretart | afflux: the same reason will also cause us ubuntu guys to stop uploading the package | 03:25 |
| afflux | i didn't take the data files in the package. | 03:25 |
| siretart | so you can't do anything useful with it? | 03:26 |
| afflux | the engine is open-source and my package only contains the engine. | 03:26 |
| siretart | the debian approach is to package the engine for contrib and the data to non-free | 03:26 |
| siretart | we could sync both packages to multiverse, I think | 03:27 |
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| siretart | afflux: so again, please join the debian games team and work on the package in their svn. | 03:27 |
| Adri2000 | Laser_away: please take a look at my debdiff http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/genesis_2.2.1-11ubuntu1.debdiff to fix the genesis bugs | 03:28 |
| afflux | siretart: joining a channel takes a moment. :/ | 03:29 |
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| siretart | afflux: it's #debian-games on oftc (e.g. irc.debian.org) | 03:30 |
| afflux | thank you | 03:38 |
| siretart | afflux: 15:48:07 < Fuddl_> btw, the ubuntu sauerbraten package is non-free - the zlib license only applies to the src directory. neither to docs, nor to README.html - that guy ships it within his package | 03:49 |
| afflux | yes, thank you for your help. as i said before: i'm going to contact this guy soon, i have no time now. | 03:50 |
| siretart | k | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 04:31 |
| Adri2000 | hi bddebian | 04:31 |
| nixternal | boo | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Heya Adri2000, nixternal | 04:31 |
| nixternal | howdy | 04:31 |
| nixternal | you buying breakfast? | 04:31 |
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| bddebian | nixternal: Sure | 04:32 |
| nixternal | awesome, actually I will wait for lunch, then you get me a cheese steak | 04:33 |
| bddebian | mmmm | 04:33 |
| nixternal | Pat's or Ginos? | 04:34 |
| nixternal | I remember those 2 places | 04:34 |
| bddebian | Honestly. I haven't been to either one yet. :-) | 04:34 |
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| nixternal | when I had to work at the shipyard there for about a month, I remember going to them, they are like right next to each other I think | 04:36 |
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| bddebian | nixternal: Yeah they are, I just avoid Philly whenever possible :_) | 05:09 |
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| Adri2000 | geser: can I merge greylistd? | 05:35 |
| Adri2000 | actually there is nothing to do :p | 05:36 |
| geser | sure | 05:37 |
| geser | I will sponsor it if you need one | 05:38 |
| Adri2000 | ok, thanks :) | 05:39 |
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| Adri2000 | argh, .po files in the debdiff | 05:42 |
| Adri2000 | I have often that but I don't understand why :( | 05:42 |
| coNP | Adri2000: if you have time, please have a look at bug 45171 :) (I committed a patch for it) | 05:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 45171 in openbox "openbox cannot catch gnome-screenshot shortcut" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45171 | 05:43 |
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| Adri2000 | coNP: maybe using dpatch or something would be better than editing directly openbox-3.3/data/rc.xml.in | 05:47 |
| coNP | Adri2000: why do you mean this? | 05:47 |
| Adri2000 | coNP: you shouldn't change a file from the orig tarball like that, it causes problem when updating to a new upstream version and it's not clean | 05:50 |
| coNP | Adri2000: I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix states not to use a patch system if the packages does not use one | 05:51 |
| Adri2000 | so you can put your patch(es) in debian/patches and use a patch system like dpatch to apply them during the build | 05:51 |
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| geser | I wouldn't introduce a patch system for such a small change | 05:52 |
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| coNP | okay, for me it seemed it is forbidden for me, because I am not the package maintainer | 05:52 |
| Adri2000 | right, it creates an important diff with debian | 05:53 |
| Adri2000 | coNP: listen geser : | 05:53 |
| coNP | Adri2000: sorry I don't understand; geser said no patch system for this | 05:53 |
| Adri2000 | yes | 05:54 |
| Adri2000 | you should listen him rather than me :) | 05:54 |
| geser | coNP: I'm uploading the debdiff as is | 05:55 |
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| geser | introducing a patch system would be ok if you need to apply some rather longly patches | 05:55 |
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| coNP | okay, thank you both Adri2000, geser | 05:56 |
| coNP | you are quite good in frightening motu-wannabees :) | 05:56 |
| Adri2000 | geser: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/greylistd_0.8.3.3ubuntu1.debdiff, I have removed the .po changes from it | 05:57 |
| ScottK | geser: Did you ever get a chance to look at my package that we discussed on Friday? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179 | 06:02 |
| geser | ScottK: not yet | 06:02 |
| ScottK | OK. No problem. Understand that merging is the priority at the moment. | 06:03 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 06:03 |
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| geser | Adri2000: uploaded | 06:04 |
| Adri2000 | thanks | 06:04 |
| Adri2000 | geser: is there anything decided about the maintainer field? | 06:10 |
| Adri2000 | because \sh changed it in some packages | 06:11 |
| geser | Adri2000: not that I know of | 06:20 |
| Adri2000 | geser: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/wysihtml_0.13-4ubuntu1.debdiff | 06:21 |
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| geser | Adri2000: uploaded | 06:28 |
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| Adri2000 | re-thanks :) | 06:29 |
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| siretart | afflux: sauerbraten just hit the debian NEW queue: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html - feel free to file a sync request (or hit me or some other MOTU to do that) for ubuntu | 07:13 |
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| afflux | siretart: excellent. should i test build it or just mention in the sync request that it built fine on your feisty pbuilder? | 07:15 |
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| siretart | afflux: if I aren't in ubuntu-dev yet, you'll need some MOTU to testbuild and ACK the request | 07:16 |
| siretart | I tested the package locally here, works fine for me on feisty/amd64. no idea about i386 and ppc though | 07:17 |
| pirast | keescook, hi | 07:17 |
| afflux | siretart: query? | 07:18 |
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| givre | Hello all | 07:19 |
| givre | just a question | 07:20 |
| siretart | afflux: siretart@jabberme.net is fine as well | 07:21 |
| givre | if i have a package with an init script, and if i want to adapt this init script for ubuntu (basicly make it LSB compliant) | 07:21 |
| givre | is it better to patch the init script | 07:21 |
| givre | or simplu don't install the upstream init script, but instead install the modified init script | 07:22 |
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| givre | since the changes are big, i would go for the second solution, but i'm not sure. | 07:24 |
| ajmitch | morning | 07:25 |
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| ScottK | good afternoon. | 07:41 |
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| Zic_ | hi | 07:54 |
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| zul_ | 3 ~76h 0 | 08:03 |
| zul_ | \ | 08:03 |
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| Zic_ | hello, I have a problem with my launchpad account : http://launchpad.net/~zic/ | 08:17 |
| Zic_ | My email is .. gone :| | 08:17 |
| Zic_ | When i'm loging, I see my e-mail with a "cadena" | 08:17 |
| Adri2000 | lock | 08:18 |
| Zic_ | In fact, I have change my GPG key, because I have lost it :/ | 08:18 |
| Adri2000 | padlock* | 08:18 |
| Adri2000 | Zic_: try #launchpad | 08:18 |
| Zic_ | good idea :> | 08:18 |
| === Adri2000 loves that: | ||
| Adri2000 | $ wc -l gnucash_2.0.2-2.1ubuntu1.patch | 08:20 |
| Adri2000 | 789442 gnucash_2.0.2-2.1ubuntu1.patch | 08:20 |
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| stgraber | :) | 08:24 |
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| ScottK | As some of you may recall, I'm having lots of 'fun' over here trying to merge the latest courier from Debian.... All the binaries have a "init.d-script-missing-lsb-section" warning that crimsun said needed to be investigated. If someone would point me in the direction of an appropriate reference for Ubuntu LSB and init scripts, I'd really appreciate it. | 08:35 |
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| welshbyte | ScottK: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts | 08:38 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 08:39 |
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| === ScottK is in way over his head. | ||
| === ScottK presses on... | ||
| welshbyte | ScottK: that's the spirit | 08:49 |
| Adri2000 | geser: still here? | 08:50 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 08:50 |
| ScottK | Learning new things is good, even if it hurts a bit at the time... | 08:51 |
| geser | Adri2000: yes | 08:51 |
| Adri2000 | geser: gnucash merged: http://adrishost.homeip.net/~adri2000/ubuntu/toupload/gnucash_2.0.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff but haven't yet built it | 08:51 |
| geser | Adri2000: I'm currently not at home and can't upload now | 08:53 |
| Adri2000 | ok, then I will file a bug once it is built | 08:53 |
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| ScottK | How does one unmark a bug a duplicate. It seems I got ahead of myself... | 09:16 |
| crimsun | which? | 09:19 |
| ScottK | Bug #69143 | 09:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69143 in courier ""/etc/init.d/courier-pop-ssl start" does nothing (dup-of: 69140)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69143 | 09:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 69140 in courier "The script /etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl restart does nothing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69140 | 09:20 |
| ScottK | It's a different init script the bug is about and I didn't notice until after I pulled the trigger. | 09:21 |
| crimsun | click "Mark as Duplicate", remove the bug number, and click Change | 09:21 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 09:22 |
| ScottK | Thanks. That little bit of UI was not intuitive for me. | 09:23 |
| crimsun | LP has quite some ways to go | 09:23 |
| crimsun | I've kinda fallen into its sort of unintuitiveness, so I know some of those nasties | 09:23 |
| ScottK | As such things go it's not bad. | 09:23 |
| ScottK | Appreciate the help. | 09:23 |
| ScottK | Certainly much less counter-intuitive than clicking on something marked 'Start' to turn off a computer. | 09:25 |
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| crimsun | argh | 10:02 |
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| ajmitch | argh? | 10:02 |
| crimsun | why are people assigning sync requests to u-u-s? | 10:02 |
| crimsun | and then, of course, not following sync req policy? (bug 82035) | 10:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82035 in Ubuntu "Please sync pam-keyring (0.0.8-1) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82035 | 10:02 |
| Adri2000 | it means YOU have to file a correct sync request :) | 10:03 |
| crimsun | uh yeah, I'll get right on that. | 10:05 |
| ScottK | Heh. The person that filed the bug, bigon, is even on this channel now.... | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | how annoying | 10:14 |
| === ajmitch should remember to file that sync request.. | ||
| ajmitch | if only lp weren't so slow | 10:15 |
| coNP | thanks Adri2000 | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | there, filed | 10:17 |
| Adri2000 | hmm, for what coNP? :) | 10:17 |
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| coNP | Adri2000: oh, nothing :); I guess geser was the one who uploaded my package | 10:22 |
| Adri2000 | eheh, yes, I can't upload :) | 10:22 |
| geser | coNP: yes I uploaded openbox | 10:22 |
| coNP | oh, I tought you were a MOTU, Adri2000 | 10:23 |
| coNP | geser: thanks | 10:23 |
| Adri2000 | coNP: I hope soon :p | 10:23 |
| === ScottK waves goodbye to bigon... | ||
| Adri2000 | ScottK: :D | 10:24 |
| === ScottK concludes the courier is a PITA, but presses on.... | ||
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| Adri2000 | LaserJock: \o/ | 10:42 |
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| LaserJock | Adri2000: hi, did you try that genesis-start script out? | 10:45 |
| Adri2000 | of course | 10:45 |
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| Adri2000 | LaserJock: is my debdiff ok? | 11:07 |
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| siretart | jdong: I just sponsored your ffmpeg patch (the x264 linkage patch) | 11:15 |
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| === ScottK is ready to pass the buck to or get some serious advice on Bug #81799. Dunno if that's good enough to merge or not. | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799 | 11:27 |
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| crimsun | ScottK: The source package lintian warnings can be ignored. | 11:30 |
| crimsun | ScottK: Is it really out of your way to LSB-ify the initscript? | 11:31 |
| === ScottK has never done it before. | ||
| ScottK | It doesn't look that hard. | 11:31 |
| ScottK | The real question is, is that worth adding to the diff from debian? | 11:32 |
| ScottK | If the answer is yes, then I'll go take a shot at it. | 11:32 |
| crimsun | It's not difficult. See any of the main packages that ship an initscript. | 11:32 |
| crimsun | Yes, it's worth it if for no other reason than to shoot patches into Debian BTS. | 11:32 |
| === siretart agrees | ||
| ScottK | OK. I do note that there are patches for courier that have been sitting in BTS for a LONG time (including one from siretart). | 11:33 |
| siretart | ScottK: did you actually test your merged courier? | 11:33 |
| ScottK | I'll go work on that. | 11:33 |
| ScottK | Not yet. | 11:33 |
| ScottK | I'm having some issues with the courier-authdaemon and my feisty chroot that I'm trying to figure out. | 11:34 |
| siretart | ScottK: filing patches to the bts is a good idea in any case for several reasons: the maintainer could wake up somewhen, the maintainer could change or some other DD could feel like NMUing the package | 11:34 |
| === ScottK will be filing a bunch of bugs in BTS once he gets done with courier... | ||
| siretart | err, the only things that have been done are only translation updates, no? | 11:37 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 11:37 |
| ScottK | That's why when I started on this one I thought it would be an easy merge to do. | 11:38 |
| ScottK | I'm dealing with stuff that was pre-exisitng. | 11:38 |
| ScottK | existing... | 11:38 |
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| ScottK | btw, the current courier-authdaemon init scripts aren't lsbified either. | 11:39 |
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| ScottK | If someone more experienced wanted to jump in and take over on this, I'd be thrilled. | 11:41 |
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| enyc | Hrrm... I am running into trouble with edgy and console.. osmething is a bit wrong as the capslock light does not get lit when active (normal PS/2 keyboard fully working) after "setting preliminary keymap" message at boot ... note that num/caps LEDs work as is normal on X-server.... I have already reset the keymap with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" btw... this does not help | 11:42 |
| crimsun | I'm pretty sure you meant that for #ubuntu. | 11:42 |
| enyc | o | 11:43 |
| enyc | kk | 11:43 |
| raphink | hi guys | 11:48 |
| raphink | anyone to review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4221 ? | 11:49 |
| muzzol | hi | 11:49 |
| muzzol | LaserJock, crimsun ping | 11:49 |
| raphink | hi muzzol | 11:49 |
| muzzol | hi raphink | 11:50 |
| muzzol | raphink, are you aware about the problem of cinelerra? | 11:50 |
| raphink | which problem? | 11:50 |
| muzzol | licensing problmes | 11:50 |
| raphink | I guess that means "no I'm not aware" | 11:50 |
| raphink | no I'm not | 11:50 |
| muzzol | ok | 11:50 |
| raphink | what kind of licensing issues are these? | 11:51 |
| muzzol | well, basically we wanna be sure what is inside cinelerra | 11:51 |
| muzzol | because heroin warrior, the main developers | 11:51 |
| muzzol | use code from other projects | 11:51 |
| muzzol | so we want to be sure we dont have any problems with that derived code | 11:52 |
| raphink | ic | 11:52 |
| raphink | yep | 11:52 |
| raphink | that's good | 11:52 |
| muzzol | for example | 11:52 |
| muzzol | cinelerra uses code from toolame | 11:53 |
| crimsun | toolame is in Ubuntu universe, so that's a non-issue. | 11:53 |
| raphink | are you working on the cinelerra package? | 11:53 |
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| muzzol | i got the package actually compiled for feisty | 11:54 |
| muzzol | i think it needs a revision | 11:54 |
| muzzol | but i have no idea about revo | 11:54 |
| muzzol | revu | 11:54 |
| raphink | I thought cinelerra was already in Debian/Ubuntu | 11:54 |
| muzzol | what? | 11:54 |
| muzzol | thats not possible | 11:54 |
| raphink | might be wrong | 11:54 |
| raphink | haven't used it | 11:54 |
| muzzol | cinelerra had lot of packagers before | 11:54 |
| raphink | no i was wrong | 11:54 |
| raphink | did you look for packages for Debian already? | 11:55 |
| muzzol | but none taked the job to do it permanently | 11:55 |
| raphink | or previous packages on REVU? | 11:55 |
| muzzol | im pretty sure cinelerra is not on the repos | 11:55 |
| raphink | it could be somewhere on apt-get.org | 11:55 |
| raphink | at least it's not on revu | 11:56 |
| raphink | is there an ITP/RFP filed already in Debian? | 11:56 |
| muzzol | please, be kindly with a noob | 11:56 |
| muzzol | itp? | 11:56 |
| muzzol | request for package | 11:56 |
| raphink | itp = intent to package | 11:56 |
| muzzol | ok | 11:56 |
| raphink | rfp = request for package | 11:57 |
| raphink | http://groups.google.fr/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/1d6745998c8eddb/958040073398d4cb?lnk=st&q=cinelerra+itp&rnum=2#958040073398d4cb | 11:57 |
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| _MMA_ | raphink: I saw one a while ago for Ubuntu but no one has done it. | 11:58 |
| raphink | http://groups.google.fr/group/linux.debian.devel/browse_thread/thread/6cfeb05bd874f0ee/b27b755cc08a78ce?lnk=st&q=cinelerra+itp&rnum=3#b27b755cc08a78ce | 11:58 |
| raphink | _MMA_: ITP/RFP for Ubuntu :O | 11:58 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock at one time showed me a link. Ill try to dig it up. | 11:58 |
| raphink | you might want to contact these guys too, muzzol | 11:58 |
| _MMA_ | Point is nobody has done it. | 11:58 |
| raphink | _MMA_: we don't use ITP/RFP in Ubuntu | 11:59 |
| raphink | unless it has changed while I was not looking :) | 11:59 |
| _MMA_ | raphink: At this moment we're just trying to sort out the license issues. Can yo uhelp? | 12:00 |
| _MMA_ | *you help.. | 12:00 |
| raphink | well right now it's midnight | 12:00 |
| raphink | so I think I'll go help my bed getting flatter | 12:00 |
| raphink | :) | 12:00 |
| _MMA_ | Besides the time... | 12:00 |
| raphink | otherwise if I have some time and you still have issues I might help | 12:00 |
| raphink | :) | 12:00 |
| _MMA_ | Do you have the proper knowlege? | 12:00 |
| raphink | knowledge for what? | 12:00 |
| raphink | for the license issues? | 12:01 |
| _MMA_ | yes | 12:01 |
| raphink | I'm not a lawyer | 12:01 |
| raphink | but I've been confronted to licensing issues quite a few times | 12:01 |
| raphink | last time was a few minutes ago with PDFedit ;) | 12:01 |
| muzzol | raphink, that links you showed me are from several years ago | 12:01 |
| _MMA_ | More to get Cinelerras licenses inline with Debian packaging rules. | 12:02 |
| raphink | muzzol: that does not mean that the package sources have disappeared | 12:02 |
| raphink | if they have existed | 12:02 |
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| raphink | or that the people who did the packages at the time don't remember them | 12:02 |
| _MMA_ | Thats where _some_ of the issues are. ie: They give 1 license in the root dir for all of the files. | 12:03 |
| raphink | _MMA_: yes | 12:03 |
| raphink | I know of such issues _MMA_ | 12:03 |
| raphink | I'm dealing with the same kind of issues with PDFedit today | 12:03 |
| muzzol | mmm, im close to cinelerra-cv developers so i dont think that people even work on that package | 12:03 |
| muzzol | i knew | 12:03 |
| raphink | and sent an email to upstream for that | 12:03 |
| muzzol | ok | 12:03 |
| muzzol | i can do that | 12:03 |
| raphink | ;) | 12:03 |
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| muzzol | what is the protocol i case some of that guys are still there? | 12:03 |
| raphink | they include the source code of several projects in their code (kpdf, xpdf, etc.) and don't use any GPL headers in their code | 12:04 |
| raphink | nor any copyright line anywhere | 12:04 |
| raphink | and only include a LICENSE.GPL file | 12:04 |
| raphink | in doc/ | 12:04 |
| raphink | ;) | 12:04 |
| raphink | muzzol: contact them and talk :) | 12:04 |
| _MMA_ | raphink: Whats the protocol if the apps devs are less than cooperative? | 12:04 |
| raphink | _MMA_: it's their program, their work | 12:05 |
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| raphink | they do what they want with it | 12:05 |
| raphink | if they want ot put it under a proprietary license, they can | 12:05 |
| muzzol | is not the case | 12:05 |
| muzzol | let me explain | 12:05 |
| raphink | provided it does not break dependencies on other licenses | 12:05 |
| muzzol | raphink, | 12:05 |
| muzzol | cinelerra have two friendly forks | 12:05 |
| raphink | mhm | 12:05 |
| muzzol | the main is from heroin warrior | 12:05 |
| _MMA_ | raphink: We have a email stating we can add the license headers but upstream will not do it themselves. | 12:05 |
| raphink | _MMA_: that's not fine | 12:06 |
| raphink | _MMA_: add the headers, make a patch | 12:06 |
| raphink | and send it back to upstream | 12:06 |
| raphink | if they're too lazy, they can at least include your patch with proper headers | 12:06 |
| raphink | if it's something else, you might contact the FSF | 12:06 |
| _MMA_ | raphink: We've been told in so many words that the license they provide is fine. They (heroine) wont change it just because it doesnt conform to Debian packaging rules. | 12:08 |
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| raphink | Debian licensing rules are conform to the FSF ones | 12:08 |
| raphink | that are pretty strict | 12:08 |
| _MMA_ | The Cinelerra-CV guys are a friendly fork but they seem slow to change alot. | 12:09 |
| raphink | there are rules to use the GPL, described on the GNU website | 12:09 |
| raphink | _MMA_: as I said, if you're in a hurry, make the changes yourself, send them a patch and let them type "patch -p 0 < yourpatch.diff" | 12:09 |
| raphink | not like it's gonna take them hours | 12:09 |
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| raphink | ><> LaserJock | 12:10 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: do you actually know yet how many files need license? | 12:10 |
| _MMA_ | I dont think its a time thing. Some of it I get the felling they just dont care. | 12:10 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: muzzol said at one time 2/3rds. | 12:11 |
| raphink | _MMA_: if they don't care, it still doesn't take much to apply an existing patch | 12:11 |
| _MMA_ | I think theres about 3000 or so? muzzol? | 12:11 |
| muzzol | yes | 12:11 |
| muzzol | about that | 12:11 |
| raphink | otherwise, ask for a CVS/SVN access :) | 12:12 |
| _MMA_ | Thats true. | 12:12 |
| muzzol | raphink, is there any problem with using a generic advise license? | 12:12 |
| muzzol | instead of changing every file? | 12:12 |
| muzzol | were confortable about GPL of the code | 12:12 |
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| muzzol | the problem is manually adding gpl to each file | 12:13 |
| _MMA_ | muzzol: I thought we could script that? | 12:13 |
| muzzol | we can try | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | at the very least have list of the files and explicitly say that those files are under the GPL | 12:14 |
| muzzol | thats what we wanted to do | 12:15 |
| muzzol | at least for this first package | 12:15 |
| muzzol | and ask developers to add it from now on | 12:15 |
| muzzol | and help them for the next release | 12:16 |
| raphink | muzzol: try? | 12:16 |
| _MMA_ | There just seems to be some politics there also we need to work through. | 12:16 |
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