[12:27] ok i'm lettin it go now [12:27] cellofellow: ok [12:27] i'm working on it now. [12:30] silvertip257: I'll put it on my website [12:31] why locations don't work in the "network-admin" ("System->Networking") app? === cellofellow doesn't have a laptop, so he doesn't use that feature. Maybe there's reasons for using on desktops, but laptops is what it's for. [12:32] I have some locations saved at "~/.gnome2/network-admin-locations" but afther some upgrade again the proposed repository it stop working [12:32] right now I can't save any location [12:32] how can I fix that? [12:32] ok, brb, gonna see if that worked === esc_on_lucidrine [n=esc@i59F71AEE.versanet.de] has joined #xubuntu [12:33] silvertip257: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/nightfear.jpg [12:34] ok thanks [12:34] :) === IndyGunFreak [n=IndyGunF@user-0cdv00n.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #xubuntu [12:43] is there a key combo to show the desktop [12:43] kinda like Alt+Tab for switching among running apps [12:44] silvertip257, Not sure but if there is, you can set it at Applications > Settings > Windows Manager > Keyboard [12:46] oo ok [12:47] ty somerville32 [12:47] np :) [12:48] somerville32: it's already there: Ctrl+Alt+D [12:49] Sweet! :) [12:49] yup [12:49] do you know anything about hdd recovery? [12:49] lol [12:49] A bit [12:50] ok well [12:50] i allowed Pentoo to start messing w/ my PATA drive instead of my sda (usb drive) [12:51] and umm i stopped it but it got the MBR & Part table [12:51] so yea [12:51] i need help [12:52] what is a good prgm to image a drive to another [12:52] cause i wanna work on a copy of the messed up drive & not the original [12:53] I think you can use dd to do it [12:53] ? [12:53] umm nah [12:53] i dont wanna use that to do it [12:53] something else plz [12:54] i've got the INSERT cd, but idk if any prgms on it so disk copying [12:58] i need a disk copying utility (similar to Norton/Symantec Ghost [12:58] hehe [12:58] Try searching packages.ubuntu.com [12:59] err ok lol [01:00] all seem that this bug https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/74454 come back [01:00] Malone bug 74454 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin] net-mgr doesn't remember location" [Low,Unconfirmed] [01:01] I mean the package that are in the proposed repo have it [01:01] and before update again the proposed repo I don't have it on my system [01:04] well somerville32 I'm having trouble searching for a disk copy util] [01:10] cp -a won't work? [01:10] i've gotta copy a whole disk (partitions & all) [01:11] Yeah, cp -a won't work : P [01:11] dd, then - it'll make an exact copy, including partition table. [01:13] oh well i've found my norton ghost floppy === ZellSF [n=zellsf@68.80-202-180.nextgentel.com] has joined #xubuntu [01:13] i will try dd when i get a chance [01:13] anyone know if there is a VLC 0.9.0svn repo somewhere? === carpy [n=rick@d64-180-222-132.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu === carpy [n=rick@d64-180-222-132.bchsia.telus.net] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === gunny01 [n=tom@121.44.121.177] has left #xubuntu [] === adaptr [n=jgeilman@adaptr.xs4all.nl] has joined #xubuntu === megamaced [n=david@62-31-57-163.cable.ubr01.dals.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === DarthLappy [n=Angus@pdpc/supporter/student/DarthShrine] has joined #xubuntu === echosystm [n=echosyst@dsl-203-113-236-97.SA.netspace.net.au] has joined #xubuntu === pjgat09 [n=pjgat09@69-182-192-243.adsl.snet.net] has joined #xubuntu === Haze_ [n=alexandr@d83-179-51-218.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #xubuntu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #xubuntu === solotim [n=frank@io170.opt2.point.ne.jp] has joined #xubuntu [02:30] Hi, [02:30] The desktop of my Xubuntu get a mess after I open my computer from last suspend operation. Please have a look of the mess screenshot: [02:30] http://www.blogjava.net/images/blogjava_net/solotim/16976/r_Screenshot-2.png [02:30] http://www.blogjava.net/images/blogjava_net/solotim/16976/r_screanshot-1.png [02:30] Please give me a hand,it will be appreciated. === Rotou [n=ubuntu@189.139.99.82] has joined #xubuntu [02:34] solotim, Try rebooting or killing X? [02:36] hi, somerville32. I have tried, but it make no sense. [02:38] I have tried reboot without save session and safemode, but nothing changed. [02:39] I am chatting right in a mess window. LOL === Toran [n=youllnev@unaffiliated/toran] has joined #xubuntu [02:47] Is the latest version of xfce going to make it to the Ubuntu repos, or should I use the graphical installer from the XFCE website? [02:48] It's already packaged for Feisty. [02:48] Will that package work in edgy? or even ever be in edgy repos? [02:48] Toran: you could try backport it with Prevu [02:49] I'm not familiar with prevu [02:49] Toran: Go to the Ubuntuforums.org and search for Prevu. It's basically an automated backporting system. Really neat [02:50] I;ve been backporting Fiesty programs onto my Dapper and Edgy installs === Commander|away [n=thomas@unaffiliated/Commander-Crowe] has joined #xubuntu [02:54] Ok, in the prevu howto thread, it says in step four "4. Build package. Run prevu gdebi" [02:54] By that does he mean we must build gdebi, or just the package that we want installed? [02:54] no, he is using gdebi as an example [02:55] That could be clearer :( [02:55] Looks like a great program, though === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #xubuntu === priit_ [n=Priit@58.246.255.224] has joined #xubuntu [02:56] Ok, what is prevu-init doing to my system? It looks like it's downloading lots of versions of important packages (that should already be installed) [02:56] Yeah, it's better then waiting for the offical backporters team [02:56] They aren't being installed system wide. Don't worry [02:56] they are being installed into a directory which is separate === solotim [n=frank@io170.opt2.point.ne.jp] has left #xubuntu [] [02:56] Ok, coo [02:56] I freaked out too at first :-D [02:57] i guess I have another question, this one is specific to my build that I plan to do. XFCE is, I'm sure, broken up over many packages. Which one(s) should I build with prevu? [02:57] I mean, there's thunar, goodies, etc. etc. etc. [02:57] If you build the meta-package, usually it will build everything else connected to it. [02:58] xubuntu-desktop, then? [02:58] If I build 'Totem' then usually Totem-Xine and Totem-Gstreamer get build automatically [02:58] Yeah, maye [02:58] maybe [02:58] I've never done it before [02:58] That might upgrade my entire system ~_~ [02:58] lol [02:58] Lots of packages are connected to xubuntu-desktop, and I really just want XFCE [02:58] Try prevu xfce [02:58] Aye [02:58] That sounds like a good idea [02:59] Also, you may have to edit the debian/control file if some dependencies are not forfilled [03:01] E: Unable to find a source package for xfce [03:01] :-L === kaptengu [n=kaptengu@c213-100-60-132.swipnet.se] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] ooh, xfce4 might do it [03:02] did you add the feisty source repos? [03:02] Yeah [03:02] xfce4 seems to be doing it [03:02] but it's only getting xfce4, none of the other components of the xfce desktop [03:03] How big is the source file it's downloading? [03:03] APT source file or XFCE source file? [03:03] apt-source file [03:03] Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe xfce4 4.3.99.1 (tar) [3924B] [03:03] oh [03:03] I wouldn't backport Xfce4 your self [03:04] Yeah, that's probably just the core [03:04] Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources [03:04] Besides, there isn't much difference [03:04] Well, the reason I want to do it is because I've got a bitch of a bug in the current release which I hope will be fixed [03:04] You'll probably want to do 'apt-cache search xfce4' and prevu the other bits you need [03:04] amarok core dumps in xfce (no other window manager makes it crash) [03:05] fluxbox, kde, whatever, amarok starts. xfce crashes it. [03:05] pissing me off, 'cause I really like amarok. [03:05] Actually I've found xubuntu to be the most stable of the Edgy branch [03:05] That may be, but I hate this bug [03:05] haha [03:06] Although Thunar is quite unstable for me === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu === lounge [n=lounge@82-46-31-35.stb.ubr04.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #xubuntu === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has joined #xubuntu [03:06] Some of the default apps need changing in Xubuntu [03:07] I love Thunar, haven't really had any problems with it [03:07] Why put Gxine in charge of media? [03:07] Yeah, really [03:07] It's crap, to be honest [03:07] I had been looking for a file manager like Thunar for a really long time before it came out [03:07] When I finally found it, I wasn't even using XFCE (I was on fluxbox). I snatched it right up. [03:08] Thunar is great when it works. But it doesn't like browsing NFS shares for some reason [03:08] finally, a decent file manager that isn't tied to its desktop [03:08] Hmm, I don't really use that functionality, I can't speak for it [03:08] Yeah... I'd go the thumbs up for Thunar... (although it does sometimes stress a bit & hang my system.. :(... === Vorian [n=steve@ubuntu/member/Vorian] has left #xubuntu [":porc::porc::porc::porc::porc::porc::porc:"] [03:08] It's much better then XFCE's previous file manager === Rotou [n=ubuntu@189.139.99.82] has left #xubuntu [] [03:08] xfm [03:09] and it could do with the compact mode moving from coplumn to column a bit better... that bit doesn't really 'work' at all :/ (in the comfortable sort of 'work' way === X704 [n=X704@shr-97.oregoncoast.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:10] But what I want to se is some sort of kiosk mode! [03:10] Hi everybody [03:10] ROX-filer is another great FM [03:10] Why cant I kiosk mode xubuntu? [03:10] hi X704 [03:11] lounge, You CAN kiosk mode in Xubuntu [03:11] I have an interesting problem... [03:11] ready for it? [03:11] shoot [03:11] anyone feel like maybe trying to point me in the right direction? [03:11] I have a computer with an AMD K6-2 475 MZ processor and 128 MB of ram. Someone said I would have problems trying to install xubuntu on it... He said that it was because xubuntu comes with a 686 based kernel? Something like that, only the the install (desktop) CD crashes often. Anyway they said I would have problems because of the 686 kernel default... and said a 586 kernel would be better. I tried installing it on the HD in my [03:11] other computer (AMD athlon XP 2400, 128MB RAM) and swapping HD's... only like the person said, I had video problems. Anyhow I looked online for maybe a 586 kernel on the ubuntu/xubuntu website but to no avail [03:12] somerville32, so you say... I been keeping my eye open for ages now & had no joy. Lots of mentions, but no actual joy/howto's/software... Whats it called? [03:12] Xubuntu comes with a 386 generic kernel [03:12] If the Desktop CD crashes then try installing with the Xubuntu-Alternative CD [03:12] hmm [03:13] matchbox could be an option... I just about to start reading up on matchbox... [03:13] Also, there is no such thing as a i586 kernel in *ubuntu === cables_malo [n=jesse@adsl-149-58-175.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] I know almost nothing about linux like OS's, except if you count Apple's OS X [03:14] X is X [03:14] no i686 kernel anymore either [03:14] somerville: silly decision me thinks [03:14] how do i make this GUI faster? [03:15] somerville32, no answer on the kiosk thing then...? [03:15] lounge, patience :P [03:15] i have a crappy pIII 450 with a 128k cache [03:15] ATI rage mobility crapola card [03:15] I am running Xubuntu on a P2 333MHz :P [03:15] Oh! sorry. [03:15] lounge, http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-kiosk-mode [03:15] :) [03:15] <-- stands corrected [03:15] i used to use blackbox [03:16] would that be hard to install and make my defualt session? [03:16] or will i not get much more performance [03:16] I would recommend fluxbox, it's like blackbox but with a few improvements [03:16] probably involves 'sudo aptitude install blackbox' [03:16] and it's easy to install [03:16] i mean, its doing what i want [03:16] its just that when i move windows and stuff... [03:16] i donno [03:16] i could get a faster computer i guess [03:17] i just installed LAMP [03:17] and pearl [03:17] ;) [03:17] so it xubuntu comes with a 386 generic kernel, then why does it crash (freeze solid) sometime before I can go to the installer app once booted from the CD? [03:18] hardware incompatability? [03:19] X704: Have you tried the Alternative CD? [03:20] Hhhmmmmm... this looks pretty much like it, somerville32. difficult (for me) to get to grips with the ominousness of the task, but looks not too bad!!! - cheers. [03:21] :) === Cozomo [n=cozomo@adsl-71-135-69-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:23] HAI GUYS. I have a problem. With my sound. I have sound, but I can't adjust the master volume. well I can, but it has no effect on the volume. anyone know how to fix === H264 [n=X704@shr-72.oregoncoast.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:24] Open volume control and try adjusting PCM instead. [03:27] PuMpErNiCkLe: what is the name of the application you speak of? [03:27] X704 should be timing out any time soon, the last thing I said was [03:27] Hardware incompatibility [03:27] what did I miss? [03:28] be right back [03:31] did I miss any useful information? === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:31] (I can't get high speed internet where I live because I live out in the middle of nowhere) === Cozomo [n=cozomo@adsl-71-135-69-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:37] Cozomo: xfce4-mixer, but you can launch it from the right-click menu on the volume control applet. [03:39] PuMpErNiCkLe: Thanks, the side seemed to be the problem. is that normal? === pjgat09[HW] [n=pjgat09@69-182-192-243.adsl.snet.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:49] Is the pack xubuntu-desktop only the xcfe? I don't want i.e gimp or open office. [03:51] No, it's a meta-package that depends on all the Xubuntu desktop applications. [03:52] wc === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has left #xubuntu [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:56] PuMpErNiCkLe didn't quite understand. I have just done an complete pure installation of ubuntu with no desktop, so how do I add only xfce? === carpy [n=rick@d64-180-222-132.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:57] does anybody know if ZFS is working towards being in ubuntu/xubuntu? [03:58] What is ZFS? [03:58] H264: Eventually, but not anytime soon. If you need ZFS with an Ubuntu-like environment, you should look at Nexenta. [03:58] somerville32: It's a new filesystem from Sun with basically any feature you could possibly want. [03:59] Cool [03:59] I don't need ZFS [03:59] but it would be really really nice to have it [04:00] is anybody working on it? or is it on a back burner? [04:00] It isn't even on a burner yet [04:00] ok, just wondering [04:01] looking at the specs of ZFS makes me want it [04:01] It's not something the Ubuntu devs would be working on, really. It's a kernel project. [04:01] ok === decaelo [n=decaelo@CPE00500471c243-CM0011ae8dd0a0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:05] is it scheduled to be on a back burner sometime in the future? [04:07] (ZFS that is) [04:08] lol [04:08] I imagine [04:08] Ubuntu will get it once it's in the Linux kernel, unless it presents packaging or implementation problems. === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.87.179.186] has joined #xubuntu [04:08] Sorry, I just can not get over the specs of ZFS === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.87.179.186] has left #xubuntu ["Leaving"] === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #xubuntu [04:10] what do you mean "in the kernel"? [04:11] The linux kernel isn't maintained by Ubuntu. Once the kernel has a ZFS driver, then Ubuntu will be able to distribute one. Until there's ZFS support there, there won't be ZFS support here. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:12] ohhh [04:12] hmm [04:12] so who does kernel work? [04:12] Kernel Developers ;] [04:12] See the OSDL [04:13] *almost forgot that most other OS's are based on UNIX kernel [04:13] *or are built on the UNIX kernel === nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #xubuntu [04:17] doesn't Apple provide updates to the UNIX kernel? [04:18] We use the Linux kernel [04:18] Not the UNIX kernel [04:18] hmm [04:19] I did not know there was a difference [04:19] there isn't; it's all FUD. In 7.04 we'll be using the somerville32 kernel. [04:20] By 7.10, we hope to upgrade again; we'll use the developmental somerville33 kernel. === cellofellow [n=josh@geek-17.69-71-160-0.qwest.dsl.vcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:20] ah, such anticipation! [04:20] hmm [04:21] hehe [04:21] there must be something big in open source wold that I am missing [04:21] *world [04:21] I just reconfigured my X server, trying to get Planet Penguin Racer working, but I need to disable the Compositing/AIGLX extension in the X server. How do I do this? I've forgotten. === rimmington [n=rhys@c220-237-168-168.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #xubuntu [04:22] never mind, found it [04:23] backups [04:23] because I thought Apple's OS X, ubuntu, and basically all other open source OS's had the same kernel [04:23] no. OS X has a FreeBSD-based kernal called Darwin. [04:24] Debian has a numerous amount of kernels. Linux is the most popular. Ubuntu is based off of debian but only uses Linux. [04:24] [well, no. It (the kernel) is actually based on Mach. The userspace is based on BSD.] [04:24] oh, yeah, my bad [04:25] Apple's stubbornly remaining with that Mach base when they could be using somerville32. [04:25] Well, not really the userspace. The Aqua interface. Most OS X users don't use the system level utils or the shell. [04:25] guess it depends on what is userspace [04:25] cellofellow, You misunderstand what userspace means [04:25] be careful, I am talking to you guys on an iMac... [04:25] I now remember it meens stuff that isn't the kernel basically. [04:25] lol [04:26] So? we see plenty of iBooks and iMacs in here, just running Xubuntu is all. === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:27] is there a way to get SDL to work in a console framebuffer? [04:27] crimsun: what's up with Mach? I know that GNU HURD is based off of it too. [04:28] cellofellow: I can't say, really. I don't follow it. [04:28] I do like Linux though. Never tried a BSD kernel. [04:28] ok [04:28] but I thought that most all UNIX and Linux OS's could run the same programs with only minor differences in windowing API's/// [04:29] They attempt to maintain compatibility with each other [04:29] you CAN run some programs written for the Linux kernel on Solaris, but that's cause they are similar, not the same. [04:29] now how about compiled command line programs? [04:30] now the somerville33 kernel will resolve all that ABI mess. [04:30] it will be quite the day! [04:30] lol === alice [n=alice@151.015.dsl.ade.iprimus.net.au] has joined #xubuntu === snook353 [n=lee@24-197-132-105.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:31] H264: machine code runs on the processor, and only accesses the kernel for accessing things that would be too cumbersom to do in the program. Before opperating systems, whole programs controlled everything from the hardware to the actuall program logic. === snook353 [n=lee@24-197-132-105.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com] has left #xubuntu [] [04:31] So, you could create something that ran OS-less. [04:32] for a specific CPU architecture [04:32] hmm === mocoloco [n=morgan_m@S0106000f3dbad481.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:32] H264: so, if you have a Linux i386 program, and try to run it on Darwin PPC, it won't work. [04:32] different processors [04:32] and kernels [04:33] will all the info in the ubuntu books apply to xubuntu? [04:33] I realize the difference in processors, because it needs to be compiled in a different way [04:33] except stuff specific to Gnome. [04:33] H264, Research ABI [04:33] right.. [04:34] H264: PPC is a short-instruction processor, while Intel is a long instruction processor. The compiler has to generate fundementally different machine code. [04:34] H264: if you were to try to run Linux PPC on Darwin PPC it might work, or Linux Intel on Darwin Intel. [04:34] But it would have to be a very low-level program that did almost everything itself. [04:35] does the xubuntu desktop use ver 4.4? [04:35] I think [04:35] I am trying to decide which one to go with.. I just want to isntall it on a pc that will store all my media on the network [04:35] so which is better? PCC or Intel? [04:35] alice: edgy and dapper have pre-release versions [04:35] alice: feisty does. [04:35] but not the 4.4stable? [04:36] I would just rather install it via apt-get than their installers === mocoloco [n=morgan_m@S0106000f3dbad481.ed.shawcable.net] has left #xubuntu [] [04:36] dapper and edgy do not have 4.4 stable. [04:36] which, well, make sense because they were released before 4.4 was. [04:36] H264: that's a huge debate goes back to the eighties. Apple recently switched from the IBM 915 PPC to the Intel CoreDuo and Core2Duo chips cause they were both better and cheaper. But historically PPC has been better. [04:36] what do you think? [04:37] haven't used PPC since like 1998 or so, so I have no comparison. [04:37] And I'm running on Intel about that old. [04:37] The Mac was older than that. Before the G-series PPC chips. A Motorola. [04:37] is it because PCC is maybe easier to make a compiler for? [04:38] The idea is short instructions are harder to compile but faster to execute [04:38] This is starting to get -offtopic :) === Commander|away is now known as Commander-Crowe [04:38] oh, ok === pjgat09 [n=pjgat09@69-182-192-243.adsl.snet.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:38] I am just trying to figure things out... [04:38] heh [04:39] I have a real question. How to I use SDL in the Linux Console Framebuffer with GPM for mouse (if needed) [04:39] I got MPlayer and fbi working. I want to try games in the console [04:40] yikes [04:40] yikes? [04:40] disable gpm and let X control the mouse [04:40] so if I write a command line program in C++ that calculates prime numbers, can I run that program on all other linux/UNIX OS's as long as it is on the same architecture? [04:40] not the GPM I'm worried about. the SDL rendering. [04:40] maybe. try it [04:41] heh, I don't have enough HD space for other OS's [04:41] they have different stdio.h's I think [04:41] I think there are mini-bsd's like DSL [04:41] H264, if it written in C/C++ the chances of it working on more then one system type is extrememly high === kalikiana|away [n=kalikian@xdsl-213-168-121-107.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [04:42] I'm gotten a calculator program to work over 4 arch's and in both *nix and Windows [04:42] Commander-Crowe: he wants to compile it in linux and run in mac, without cross-compiling [04:42] oh [04:42] why would it not work? [04:42] dunno. I didn't think UNIX kernels were that much the same [04:43] cellofellow, it should work just fine if he does it right [04:43] ok [04:43] source packages can be used over BSD, Linux, and any other *nix types [04:43] The whole point of framebuffer SDL here is speed. My computer isn't happy with X and ppracer. [04:43] oh, not that I want to, I was just using that as an example so I can sort out the misconceptions that I have about open source OS's [04:43] Commander-Crowe: yeah, but they get compiled for there specific kernels. [04:44] there are different kernels, just like different shells and desktops and editors. [04:44] I know [04:44] not you, H264 [04:44] heh, ok [04:44] as long as its source, its platform and kernel independent [04:45] he though OS X and BSD had a Linux kernel. [04:45] oh [04:45] hehe [04:45] BSD has a BSD kernel [04:45] OSX uses a kernel from a BSD take off called Darwin [04:45] Commander-Crowe: not really. ever try to build something that had missing header files or other libs? [04:45] they're all very simular [04:45] cellofellow, yes, pain in the butt [04:46] so how many different kernels are there? and how do I know the difference between them? [04:46] Commander-Crowe: that meens that they AREN'T platform independant. Those missing libs are part of the platform. [04:46] I'm just saying, I come across quite a few source programs that have ran fine no matter what system or arch, unless it was windows [04:47] H264: SCO "owns" the original UNIX kernel. BSD is an open source branch of that. Linux is a clone of the real UNIX. [04:47] cellofellow, those libs have nothing to do with the kernel or platform, those are dep that the program needs [04:47] headers on the other hand [04:48] as you can see I know little about open source OS's... that's why I am here [04:48] basicly though the newer version of the BSD kernel have linux headers built in [04:48] which enables just about any linux program to run in BSD [04:49] Commander-Crowe: well, I know some GTK and QT apps that don't care what kernel is under them, the care what version of the GUI toolkit is under them. So there platform is the toolkit. The toolkit is libs. The dependant libs are the platform, [04:50] Those apps run on Windows too. [04:50] is there somebody that tries to keep command line programs cross compatible with their kernel? [04:50] most of my apps use the python platform. [04:50] cellofellow, makes sense [04:52] so there is only like 4-5 different kernels around? or am I missing something big? [04:53] does anyone have any tips for partitioning? [04:53] back up HD [04:53] as in, should i put /usr & /var on separate partitions or just stick everything on 1 partition? [04:54] bye guys === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [04:55] has anyone tried installing herd 2 in qemu [04:55] it's been unpacking packages from the alt CD for like 2 days === cellofellow [n=josh@geek-17.69-71-160-0.qwest.dsl.vcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:56] bluefoxicy, It most likely froze [04:56] yeah I heard of some problems like that bluefoxicy [04:56] "An IDC survey of 1000 IT professionals found UNIX to be superior to Linux in multi-processing, integration, security, and skills availability." from www.sco.com/products/openserver6/ [04:56] somerville32: no, it's moving, just very slowly. [04:56] lol [04:56] Crazy [04:56] somerville32: like it takes 2 minutes to get the list of partition types up when editing a partition in text mode. [04:57] took it 30 minutes to start the partition editor o.o [04:57] I installed Edgy in like an hour. [04:57] bluefoxicy, Interesting. [04:57] Commander-Crowe: mmn vo.ov [04:57] bluefoxicy, Try restarting. [04:57] Anyhow, I gotta go [04:57] tried twice [04:57] also the desktop CD doesn't work, it crashes when entering the partitioner [04:57] haven't tried on real hardware. [04:57] System stats? [04:57] ttyl somerville32 [04:58] big enough to run dapper or edgy comfortably :> [04:58] its like 16 MB ram [04:58] athlon 64 1.8GHz with 1G of RAM [04:58] 50 MHz CPU [04:58] oh [04:58] ok [04:58] lol [04:58] things in qemu should be kind of slow [04:58] this is reminding me of bochs [04:58] what is solaris based on? [04:58] download and use VMplayer [04:59] its easier to install [04:59] Well, I gotta go === somerville32 waves. [05:00] bye [05:00] ttyl === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-77-18.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #xubuntu === adamwest [n=someone@DSL217-132-2-217.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #xubuntu [05:01] i'm using windows now lol [05:01] adamwest, Why? [05:01] oooo [05:01] kick him [05:01] i got tired of all the problems that "only happen to me" ^_^ [05:01] lol, j/k [05:01] so i'm waiting until i have the money to buy a new comp [05:01]