[12:27] <silvertip257> ok i'm lettin it go now
[12:27] <IndyGunFreak> cellofellow: ok
[12:27] <IndyGunFreak> i'm working on it now.
[12:30] <cellofellow> silvertip257: I'll put it on my website
[12:31] <frankabel> why locations don't work in the "network-admin" ("System->Networking") app?
[12:32] <frankabel> I have some locations saved at "~/.gnome2/network-admin-locations" but afther some upgrade again the proposed repository it stop working
[12:32] <frankabel> right now I can't save any location
[12:32] <frankabel> how can I fix that?
[12:32] <IndyGunFreak> ok, brb, gonna see if that worked
[12:33] <cellofellow> silvertip257: http://cellofellow.homelinux.net/nightfear.jpg
[12:34] <silvertip257> ok thanks
[12:34] <cellofellow> :)
[12:43] <silvertip257> is there a key combo to show the desktop
[12:43] <silvertip257> kinda like Alt+Tab for switching among running apps
[12:44] <somerville32> silvertip257, Not sure but if there is, you can set it at Applications > Settings > Windows Manager > Keyboard
[12:46] <silvertip257> oo ok
[12:47] <silvertip257> ty somerville32
[12:47] <somerville32> np :)
[12:48] <silvertip257> somerville32:  it's already there:  Ctrl+Alt+D
[12:49] <somerville32> Sweet! :)
[12:49] <silvertip257> yup
[12:49] <silvertip257> do you know anything about hdd recovery?
[12:49] <somerville32> lol
[12:49] <somerville32> A bit
[12:50] <silvertip257> ok well
[12:50] <silvertip257> i allowed Pentoo to start messing w/ my PATA drive instead of my sda (usb drive)
[12:51] <silvertip257> and umm i stopped it but it got the MBR & Part table
[12:51] <silvertip257> so yea
[12:51] <silvertip257> i need help
[12:52] <silvertip257> what is a good prgm to image a drive to another
[12:52] <silvertip257> cause i wanna work on a copy of the messed up drive & not the original
[12:53] <somerville32> I think you can use dd to do it
[12:53] <silvertip257> ?
[12:53] <silvertip257> umm nah
[12:53] <silvertip257> i dont wanna use that to do it
[12:53] <silvertip257> something else plz
[12:54] <silvertip257> i've got the INSERT cd, but idk if any prgms on it so disk copying
[12:58] <silvertip257> i need a disk copying utility (similar to Norton/Symantec Ghost
[12:58] <somerville32> hehe
[12:58] <somerville32> Try searching packages.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <silvertip257> err ok lol
[01:00] <frankabel> all seem that this bug https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/74454 come back
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74454 in gnome-system-tools "[network-admin]  net-mgr doesn't remember location" [Low,Unconfirmed] 
[01:01] <frankabel> I mean the package that are in the proposed repo have it
[01:01] <frankabel> and before update again the proposed repo I don't have it on my system
[01:04] <silvertip257> well somerville32 I'm having trouble searching for a disk copy util] 
[01:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cp -a won't work?
[01:10] <silvertip257> i've gotta copy a whole disk (partitions & all)
[01:11] <somerville32> Yeah, cp -a won't work : P
[01:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> dd, then - it'll make an exact copy, including partition table.
[01:13] <silvertip257> oh well i've found my norton ghost floppy
[01:13] <silvertip257> i will try dd when i get a chance
[01:13] <ZellSF> anyone know if there is a VLC 0.9.0svn repo somewhere?
[02:30] <solotim> Hi,
[02:30] <solotim> The desktop of my Xubuntu get a mess after I open my computer from last suspend operation. Please have a look of the mess screenshot:
[02:30] <solotim> http://www.blogjava.net/images/blogjava_net/solotim/16976/r_Screenshot-2.png
[02:30] <solotim> http://www.blogjava.net/images/blogjava_net/solotim/16976/r_screanshot-1.png
[02:30] <solotim> Please give me a hand,it will be appreciated.
[02:34] <somerville32> solotim, Try rebooting or killing X?
[02:36] <solotim> hi, somerville32. I have tried, but it make no sense.
[02:38] <solotim> I have tried reboot without save session and safemode, but nothing changed.
[02:39] <solotim> I am chatting right in a mess window. LOL
[02:47] <Toran> Is the latest version of xfce going to make it to the Ubuntu repos, or should I use the graphical installer from the XFCE website?
[02:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's already packaged for Feisty.
[02:48] <Toran> Will that package work in edgy? or even ever be in edgy repos?
[02:48] <megamaced> Toran: you could try backport it with Prevu
[02:49] <Toran> I'm not familiar with prevu
[02:49] <megamaced> Toran: Go to the Ubuntuforums.org and search for Prevu. It's basically an automated backporting system. Really neat
[02:50] <megamaced> I;ve been backporting Fiesty programs onto my Dapper and Edgy installs
[02:54] <Toran> Ok, in the prevu howto thread, it says in step four "4. Build package. Run prevu gdebi"
[02:54] <Toran> By that does he mean we must build gdebi, or just the package that we want installed?
[02:54] <megamaced> no, he is using gdebi as an example
[02:55] <Toran> That could be clearer :(
[02:55] <Toran> Looks like a great program, though
[02:56] <Toran> Ok, what is prevu-init doing to my system? It looks like it's downloading lots of versions of important packages (that should already be installed)
[02:56] <megamaced> Yeah, it's better then waiting for the offical backporters team
[02:56] <megamaced> They aren't being installed system wide. Don't worry
[02:56] <megamaced> they are being installed into a directory which is separate
[02:56] <Toran> Ok, coo
[02:56] <megamaced> I freaked out too at first :-D
[02:57] <Toran> i guess I have another question, this one is specific to my build that I plan to do. XFCE is, I'm sure, broken up over many packages. Which one(s) should I build with prevu?
[02:57] <Toran> I mean, there's thunar, goodies, etc. etc. etc.
[02:57] <megamaced> If you build the meta-package, usually it will build everything else connected to it.
[02:58] <Toran> xubuntu-desktop, then?
[02:58] <megamaced> If I build 'Totem' then usually Totem-Xine and Totem-Gstreamer get build automatically
[02:58] <megamaced> Yeah, maye
[02:58] <megamaced> maybe
[02:58] <megamaced> I've never done it before
[02:58] <Toran> That might upgrade my entire system ~_~
[02:58] <megamaced> lol
[02:58] <Toran> Lots of packages are connected to xubuntu-desktop, and I really just want XFCE
[02:58] <megamaced> Try prevu  xfce
[02:58] <Toran> Aye
[02:58] <Toran> That sounds like a good idea
[02:59] <megamaced> Also, you may have to edit the debian/control file if some dependencies are not forfilled
[03:01] <Toran> E: Unable to find a source package for xfce
[03:01] <Toran> :-L
[03:01] <Toran> ooh, xfce4 might do it
[03:02] <megamaced> did you add the feisty source repos?
[03:02] <Toran> Yeah
[03:02] <Toran> xfce4 seems to be doing it
[03:02] <Toran> but it's only getting xfce4, none of the other components of the xfce desktop
[03:03] <megamaced>  How big is the source file it's downloading?
[03:03] <Toran> APT source file or XFCE source file?
[03:03] <megamaced> apt-source file
[03:03] <Toran> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe xfce4 4.3.99.1 (tar) [3924B] 
[03:03] <Toran> oh
[03:03] <somerville32> I wouldn't backport Xfce4 your self
[03:04] <megamaced> Yeah, that's probably just the core
[03:04] <Toran> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/multiverse Sources
[03:04] <somerville32> Besides, there isn't much difference
[03:04] <Toran> Well, the reason I want to do it is because I've got a bitch of a bug in the current release which I hope will be fixed
[03:04] <megamaced> You'll probably want to do 'apt-cache search xfce4' and prevu the other bits you need
[03:04] <Toran> amarok core dumps in xfce (no other window manager makes it crash)
[03:05] <Toran> fluxbox, kde, whatever, amarok starts. xfce crashes it.
[03:05] <Toran> pissing me off, 'cause I really like amarok.
[03:05] <megamaced> Actually I've found xubuntu to be the most stable of the Edgy branch
[03:05] <Toran> That may be, but I hate this bug
[03:05] <Toran> haha
[03:06] <megamaced> Although Thunar is quite unstable for me
[03:06] <megamaced> Some of the default apps need changing in Xubuntu
[03:07] <Toran> I love Thunar, haven't really had any problems with it
[03:07] <megamaced> Why put Gxine in charge of media?
[03:07] <Toran> Yeah, really
[03:07] <megamaced> It's crap, to be honest
[03:07] <Toran> I had been looking for a file manager like Thunar for a really long time before it came out
[03:07] <Toran> When I finally found it, I wasn't even using XFCE (I was on fluxbox). I snatched it right up.
[03:08] <megamaced> Thunar is great when it works. But it doesn't like browsing NFS shares for some reason
[03:08] <Toran> finally, a decent file manager that isn't tied to its desktop
[03:08] <Toran> Hmm, I don't really use that functionality, I can't speak for it
[03:08] <lounge> Yeah... I'd go the thumbs up for Thunar... (although it does sometimes stress a bit & hang my system.. :(...
[03:08] <megamaced> It's much better then XFCE's previous file manager
[03:08] <megamaced> xfm
[03:09] <lounge> and it could do with the compact mode moving from coplumn to column a bit better... that bit doesn't really 'work' at all :/ (in the comfortable sort of 'work' way
[03:10] <lounge> But what I want to se is some sort of kiosk mode!
[03:10] <X704> Hi everybody
[03:10] <megamaced> ROX-filer is another great FM
[03:10] <lounge> Why cant I kiosk mode xubuntu?
[03:10] <lounge> hi X704
[03:11] <somerville32> lounge, You CAN kiosk mode in Xubuntu
[03:11] <X704> I have an interesting problem...
[03:11] <X704> ready for it?
[03:11] <megamaced> shoot
[03:11] <X704> anyone feel like maybe trying to point me in the right direction?
[03:11] <X704> I have a computer with an AMD K6-2 475 MZ processor and 128 MB of ram. Someone said I would have problems trying to install xubuntu on it... He said that it was because xubuntu comes with a 686 based kernel? Something like that, only the the install (desktop) CD crashes often. Anyway they said I would have problems because of the 686 kernel default... and said a 586 kernel would be better. I tried installing it on the HD in my
[03:11] <X704>  other computer (AMD athlon XP 2400, 128MB RAM) and swapping HD's... only like the person said, I had video problems. Anyhow I looked online for maybe a 586 kernel on the ubuntu/xubuntu website but to no avail
[03:12] <lounge> somerville32, so you say... I been keeping my eye open for ages now & had no joy. Lots of mentions, but no actual joy/howto's/software... Whats it called?
[03:12] <megamaced> Xubuntu comes with a 386 generic kernel
[03:12] <megamaced> If the Desktop CD crashes then try installing with the Xubuntu-Alternative CD
[03:12] <X704> hmm
[03:13] <lounge> matchbox could be an option... I just about to start reading up on matchbox...
[03:13] <megamaced> Also,  there is no such thing as a i586 kernel in *ubuntu
[03:14] <X704> I know almost nothing about linux like OS's, except if you count Apple's OS X
[03:14] <cables_malo> X is X
[03:14] <somerville32> no i686 kernel anymore either
[03:14] <megamaced> somerville: silly decision me thinks
[03:14] <cables_malo> how do i make this GUI faster?
[03:15] <lounge> somerville32, no answer on the kiosk thing then...?
[03:15] <somerville32> lounge, patience :P
[03:15] <cables_malo> i have a crappy pIII 450 with a 128k cache
[03:15] <cables_malo> ATI rage mobility crapola card
[03:15] <megamaced> I am running Xubuntu on a P2 333MHz  :P
[03:15] <lounge> Oh! sorry.
[03:15] <somerville32> lounge, http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-kiosk-mode
[03:15] <somerville32> :)
[03:15] <lounge> <-- stands corrected
[03:15] <cables_malo> i used to use blackbox
[03:16] <cables_malo> would that be hard to install and make my defualt session?
[03:16] <cables_malo> or will i not get much more performance
[03:16] <Toran> I would recommend fluxbox, it's like blackbox but with a few improvements
[03:16] <megamaced>  probably involves 'sudo aptitude install blackbox'
[03:16] <Toran> and it's easy to install
[03:16] <cables_malo> i mean, its doing what i want
[03:16] <cables_malo> its just that when i move windows and stuff...
[03:16] <cables_malo> i donno
[03:16] <cables_malo> i could get a faster computer i guess
[03:17] <cables_malo> i just installed LAMP
[03:17] <cables_malo> and pearl
[03:17] <cables_malo> ;)
[03:17] <X704> so it xubuntu comes with a 386 generic kernel, then why does it crash (freeze solid) sometime before I can go to the installer app once booted from the CD?
[03:18] <X704> hardware incompatability?
[03:19] <somerville32> X704: Have you tried the Alternative CD?
[03:20] <lounge> Hhhmmmmm... this looks pretty much like it, somerville32. difficult (for me) to get to grips with the ominousness of the task, but looks not too bad!!! - cheers.
[03:21] <somerville32> :)
[03:23] <Cozomo> HAI GUYS. I have a problem. With my sound. I have sound, but I can't adjust the master volume. well I can, but it has no effect on the volume. anyone know how to fix
[03:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Open volume control and try adjusting PCM instead.
[03:27] <Cozomo> PuMpErNiCkLe: what is the name of the application you speak of?
[03:27] <H264> X704 should be timing out any time soon, the last thing I said was
[03:27] <H264> Hardware incompatibility
[03:27] <H264> what did I miss?
[03:28] <Cozomo> be right back
[03:31] <H264> did I miss any useful information?
[03:31] <H264> (I can't get high speed internet where I live because I live out in the middle of nowhere)
[03:37] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Cozomo: xfce4-mixer, but you can launch it from the right-click menu on the volume control applet.
[03:39] <Cozomo> PuMpErNiCkLe: Thanks, the side seemed to be the problem. is that normal?
[03:49] <Powha> Is the pack xubuntu-desktop only the xcfe? I don't want i.e gimp or open office.
[03:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> No, it's a meta-package that depends on all the Xubuntu desktop applications.
[03:52] <nixternal> wc
[03:56] <Powha> PuMpErNiCkLe didn't quite understand. I have just done an complete pure installation of ubuntu with no desktop, so how do I add only xfce?
[03:57] <H264> does anybody know if ZFS is working towards being in ubuntu/xubuntu?
[03:58] <somerville32> What is ZFS?
[03:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> H264: Eventually, but not anytime soon.  If you need ZFS with an Ubuntu-like environment, you should look at Nexenta.
[03:58] <PuMpErNiCkLe> somerville32: It's a new filesystem from Sun with basically any feature you could possibly want.
[03:59] <somerville32> Cool
[03:59] <H264> I don't need ZFS
[03:59] <H264> but it would be really really nice to have it
[04:00] <H264> is anybody working on it? or is it on a back burner?
[04:00] <somerville32> It isn't even on a burner yet
[04:00] <H264> ok, just wondering
[04:01] <H264> looking at the specs of ZFS makes me want it
[04:01] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's not something the Ubuntu devs would be working on, really.  It's a kernel project.
[04:01] <H264> ok
[04:05] <H264> is it scheduled to be on a back burner sometime in the future?
[04:07] <H264> (ZFS that is)
[04:08] <somerville32> lol
[04:08] <somerville32> I imagine
[04:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Ubuntu will get it once it's in the Linux kernel, unless it presents packaging or implementation problems.
[04:08] <H264> Sorry, I just can not get over the specs of ZFS
[04:10] <H264> what do you mean "in the kernel"?
[04:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The linux kernel isn't maintained by Ubuntu.  Once the kernel has a ZFS driver, then Ubuntu will be able to distribute one.  Until there's ZFS support there, there won't be ZFS support here.
[04:12] <H264> ohhh
[04:12] <H264> hmm
[04:12] <H264> so who does kernel work?
[04:12] <somerville32> Kernel Developers ;] 
[04:12] <somerville32> See the OSDL
[04:13] <H264> *almost forgot that most other OS's are based on UNIX kernel
[04:13] <H264> *or are built on the UNIX kernel
[04:17] <H264> doesn't Apple provide updates to the UNIX kernel?
[04:18] <somerville32> We use the Linux kernel
[04:18] <somerville32> Not the UNIX kernel
[04:18] <H264> hmm
[04:19] <H264> I did not know there was a difference
[04:19] <crimsun> there isn't; it's all FUD. In 7.04 we'll be using the somerville32 kernel.
[04:20] <PuMpErNiCkLe> By 7.10, we hope to upgrade again; we'll use the developmental somerville33 kernel.
[04:20] <crimsun> ah, such anticipation!
[04:20] <H264> hmm
[04:21] <somerville32> hehe
[04:21] <H264> there must be something big in open source wold that I am missing
[04:21] <H264> *world
[04:21] <cellofellow> I just reconfigured my X server, trying to get Planet Penguin Racer working, but I need to disable the Compositing/AIGLX extension in the X server. How do I do this? I've forgotten.
[04:22] <cellofellow> never mind, found it
[04:23] <cellofellow> backups
[04:23] <H264> because I thought Apple's OS X, ubuntu, and basically all other open source OS's had the same kernel
[04:23] <cellofellow> no. OS X has a FreeBSD-based kernal called Darwin.
[04:24] <cellofellow> Debian has a numerous amount of kernels. Linux is the most popular. Ubuntu is based off of debian but only uses Linux.
[04:24] <crimsun> [well, no. It (the kernel) is actually based on Mach. The userspace is based on BSD.] 
[04:24] <cellofellow> oh, yeah, my bad
[04:25] <crimsun> Apple's stubbornly remaining with that Mach base when they could be using somerville32.
[04:25] <cellofellow> Well, not really the userspace. The Aqua interface. Most OS X users don't use the system level utils or the shell.
[04:25] <cellofellow> guess it depends on what is userspace
[04:25] <somerville32> cellofellow, You misunderstand what userspace means
[04:25] <H264> be careful, I am talking to you guys on an iMac...
[04:25] <cellofellow> I now remember it meens stuff that isn't the kernel basically.
[04:25] <H264> lol
[04:26] <cellofellow> So? we see plenty of iBooks and iMacs in here, just running Xubuntu is all.
[04:27] <cellofellow> is there a way to get SDL to work in a console framebuffer?
[04:27] <cellofellow> crimsun: what's up with Mach? I know that GNU HURD is based off of it too.
[04:28] <crimsun> cellofellow: I can't say, really. I don't follow it.
[04:28] <cellofellow> I do like Linux though. Never tried a BSD kernel.
[04:28] <cellofellow> ok
[04:28] <H264> but I thought that most all UNIX and Linux OS's could run the same programs with only minor differences in windowing API's///
[04:29] <somerville32> They attempt to maintain compatibility with each other
[04:29] <cellofellow> you CAN run some programs written for the Linux kernel on Solaris, but that's cause they are similar, not the same.
[04:29] <H264> now how about compiled command line programs?
[04:30] <crimsun> now the somerville33 kernel will resolve all that ABI mess.
[04:30] <crimsun> it will be quite the day!
[04:30] <somerville32> lol
[04:31] <cellofellow> H264: machine code runs on the processor, and only accesses the kernel for accessing things that would be too cumbersom to do in the program. Before opperating systems, whole programs controlled everything from the hardware to the actuall program logic.
[04:31] <cellofellow> So, you could create something that ran OS-less.
[04:32] <cellofellow> for a specific CPU architecture
[04:32] <H264> hmm
[04:32] <cellofellow> H264: so, if you have a Linux i386 program, and try to run it on Darwin PPC, it won't work.
[04:32] <cellofellow> different processors
[04:32] <cellofellow> and kernels
[04:33] <mocoloco> will all the info in the ubuntu books apply to xubuntu?
[04:33] <H264> I realize the difference in processors, because it needs to be compiled in a different way
[04:33] <cellofellow> except stuff specific to Gnome.
[04:33] <somerville32> H264, Research ABI
[04:33] <mocoloco> right..
[04:34] <cellofellow> H264: PPC is a short-instruction processor, while Intel is a long instruction processor. The compiler has to generate fundementally different machine code.
[04:34] <cellofellow> H264: if you were to try to run Linux PPC on Darwin PPC it might work, or Linux Intel on Darwin Intel.
[04:34] <cellofellow> But it would have to be a very low-level program that did almost everything itself.
[04:35] <alice> does the xubuntu desktop use ver 4.4?
[04:35] <cellofellow> I think
[04:35] <mocoloco> I am trying to decide which one to go with..  I just want to isntall it on  a pc that will store all my media on the network
[04:35] <H264> so which is better? PCC or Intel?
[04:35] <cellofellow> alice: edgy and dapper have pre-release versions
[04:35] <crimsun> alice: feisty does.
[04:35] <alice> but not the 4.4stable?
[04:36] <alice> I would just rather install it via apt-get than their installers
[04:36] <crimsun> dapper and edgy do not have 4.4 stable.
[04:36] <crimsun> which, well, make sense because they were released before 4.4 was.
[04:36] <cellofellow> H264: that's a huge debate goes back to the eighties. Apple recently switched from the IBM 915 PPC to the Intel CoreDuo and Core2Duo chips cause they were both better and cheaper. But historically PPC has been better.
[04:36] <H264> what do you think?
[04:37] <cellofellow> haven't used PPC since like 1998 or so, so I have no comparison.
[04:37] <cellofellow> And I'm running on Intel about that old.
[04:37] <cellofellow> The Mac was older than that. Before the G-series PPC chips. A Motorola.
[04:37] <H264> is it because PCC is maybe easier to make a compiler for?
[04:38] <cellofellow> The idea is short instructions are harder to compile but faster to execute
[04:38] <somerville32> This is starting to get -offtopic :)
[04:38] <cellofellow> oh, ok
[04:38] <H264> I am just trying to figure things out...
[04:38] <H264> heh
[04:39] <cellofellow> I have a real question. How to I use SDL in the Linux Console Framebuffer with GPM for mouse (if needed)
[04:39] <cellofellow> I got MPlayer and fbi working. I want to try games in the console
[04:40] <Commander-Crowe> yikes
[04:40] <cellofellow> yikes?
[04:40] <Commander-Crowe> disable gpm and let X control the mouse
[04:40] <H264> so if I write a command line program in C++ that calculates prime numbers, can I run that program on all other linux/UNIX OS's as long as it is on the same architecture?
[04:40] <cellofellow> not the GPM I'm worried about. the SDL rendering.
[04:40] <cellofellow> maybe. try it
[04:41] <H264> heh, I don't have enough HD space for other OS's
[04:41] <cellofellow> they have different stdio.h's I think
[04:41] <cellofellow> I think there are mini-bsd's like DSL
[04:41] <Commander-Crowe> H264, if it written in C/C++ the chances of it working on more then one system type is extrememly high
[04:42] <Commander-Crowe> I'm gotten a calculator program to work over 4 arch's and in both *nix and Windows
[04:42] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: he wants to compile it in linux and run in mac, without cross-compiling
[04:42] <cellofellow> oh
[04:42] <H264> why would it not work?
[04:42] <cellofellow> dunno. I didn't think UNIX kernels were that much the same
[04:43] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow, it should work just fine if he does it right
[04:43] <cellofellow> ok
[04:43] <Commander-Crowe> source packages can be used over BSD, Linux, and any other *nix types
[04:43] <cellofellow> The whole point of framebuffer SDL here is speed. My computer isn't happy with X and ppracer.
[04:43] <H264> oh, not that I want to, I was just using that as an example so I can sort out the misconceptions that I have about open source OS's
[04:43] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: yeah, but they get compiled for there specific kernels.
[04:44] <cellofellow> there are different kernels, just like different shells and desktops and editors.
[04:44] <Commander-Crowe> I know
[04:44] <cellofellow> not you, H264
[04:44] <H264> heh, ok
[04:44] <Commander-Crowe> as long as its source, its platform and kernel independent
[04:45] <cellofellow> he though OS X and BSD had a Linux kernel.
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> hehe
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> BSD has a BSD kernel
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> OSX uses a kernel from a BSD take off called Darwin
[04:45] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: not really. ever try to build something that had missing header files or other libs?
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> they're all very simular
[04:45] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow, yes, pain in the butt
[04:46] <H264> so how many different kernels are there? and how do I know the difference between them?
[04:46] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: that meens that they AREN'T platform independant. Those missing libs are part of the platform.
[04:46] <Commander-Crowe> I'm just saying, I come across quite a few source programs that have ran fine no matter what system or arch, unless it was windows
[04:47] <cellofellow> H264: SCO "owns" the original UNIX kernel. BSD is an open source branch of that. Linux is a clone of the real UNIX.
[04:47] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow, those libs have nothing to do with the kernel or platform, those are dep that the program needs
[04:47] <Commander-Crowe> headers on the other hand
[04:48] <H264> as you can see I know little about open source OS's... that's why I am here
[04:48] <Commander-Crowe> basicly though the newer version of the BSD kernel have linux headers built in
[04:48] <Commander-Crowe> which enables just about any linux program to run in BSD
[04:49] <cellofellow> Commander-Crowe: well, I know some GTK and QT apps that don't care what kernel is under them, the care what version of the GUI toolkit is under them. So there platform is the toolkit. The toolkit is libs. The dependant libs are the platform,
[04:50] <cellofellow> Those apps run on Windows too.
[04:50] <H264> is there somebody that tries to keep command line programs cross compatible with their kernel?
[04:50] <cellofellow> most of my apps use the python platform.
[04:50] <Commander-Crowe> cellofellow, makes sense
[04:52] <H264> so there is only like 4-5 different kernels around? or am I missing something big?
[04:53] <rimmington> does anyone have any tips for partitioning?
[04:53] <H264> back up HD
[04:53] <rimmington> as in, should i put /usr & /var on separate partitions or just stick everything on 1 partition?
[04:54] <irvin> bye guys
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> has anyone tried installing herd 2 in qemu
[04:55] <bluefoxicy> it's been unpacking packages from the alt CD for like 2 days
[04:56] <somerville32> bluefoxicy, It most likely froze
[04:56] <Commander-Crowe> yeah I heard of some problems like that bluefoxicy
[04:56] <H264> "An IDC survey of 1000 IT professionals found UNIX to be superior to Linux in multi-processing, integration, security, and skills availability." from www.sco.com/products/openserver6/
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> somerville32:  no, it's moving, just very slowly.
[04:56] <somerville32> lol
[04:56] <somerville32> Crazy
[04:56] <bluefoxicy> somerville32:  like it takes 2 minutes to get the list of partition types up when editing a partition in text mode.
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> took it 30 minutes to start the partition editor  o.o
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> I installed Edgy in like an hour.
[04:57] <somerville32> bluefoxicy, Interesting.
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> Commander-Crowe:  mmn vo.ov
[04:57] <somerville32> bluefoxicy, Try restarting.
[04:57] <somerville32> Anyhow, I gotta go
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> tried twice
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> also the desktop CD doesn't work, it crashes when entering the partitioner
[04:57] <bluefoxicy> haven't tried on real hardware.
[04:57] <somerville32> System stats?
[04:57] <H264> ttyl somerville32
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> big enough to run dapper or edgy comfortably :>
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> its like 16 MB ram
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> athlon 64 1.8GHz with 1G of RAM
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> 50 MHz CPU
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[04:58] <H264> lol
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> things in qemu should be kind of slow
[04:58] <bluefoxicy> this is reminding me of bochs
[04:58] <H264> what is solaris based on?
[04:58] <Commander-Crowe> download and use VMplayer
[04:59] <Commander-Crowe> its easier to install
[04:59] <somerville32> Well, I gotta go
[05:00] <Commander-Crowe> bye
[05:00] <H264> ttyl
[05:01] <adamwest> i'm using windows now lol
[05:01] <somerville32> adamwest, Why?
[05:01] <H264> oooo
[05:01] <H264> kick him
[05:01] <adamwest> i got tired of all the problems that "only happen to me" ^_^
[05:01] <H264> lol, j/k
[05:01] <adamwest> so i'm waiting until i have the money to buy a new comp
[05:01] <adamwest> then i'll install both.
[05:01] <somerville32> adamwest, What problems were they again?
[05:01] <adamwest> lol
[05:01] <adamwest> plenty
[05:01] <somerville32> And you should have filed bugs.
[05:02] <adamwest> no they were problems that people just didnt knew where do they come from
[05:02] <somerville32> Such as?
[05:02] <adamwest> like when i installed xubuntu it uninstalled kubuntu without asking me
[05:02] <somerville32> Oh, right - that
[05:02] <adamwest> and after that i couldn't log out of gnome or xubuntu, only from kubuntu
[05:02] <adamwest> but oh no, xubuntu uninstalled that :D
[05:02] <somerville32> adamwest, Did you try just reinstalling from scratch?
[05:03] <adamwest> yup
[05:03] <adamwest> four times in total ^_^
[05:03] <adamwest> just got tired of that, you know? i liked linux but my comp is against me
[05:03] <somerville32> If it is reproducible, then you should file a bug
[05:04] <adamwest> i didn't know what the problem was.
[05:04] <somerville32> Most people don't
[05:04] <somerville32> or they'd fix it
[05:04] <somerville32> :)
[05:04] <adamwest> well, except for the xubuntu uninstalling kubuntu, but i didn't know why that was happening
[05:05] <adamwest> say do you program in java?
[05:05] <H264> I do
[05:05] <H264> (kinda)
[05:05] <adamwest> why kinda?
[05:06] <H264> because I only program when I feel like it
[05:06] <adamwest> oh lol
[05:06] <adamwest> anywayz
[05:06] <adamwest> waht ide do you use?
[05:06] <H264> not because I have anything interesting to so
[05:06] <H264> *do
[05:06] <H264> I like netbeans
[05:07] <H264> but then again I have not tried anything else
[05:07] <adamwest> well sure, but for an old comp? :P not -that- old but old
[05:07] <adamwest> 1300mhz 512ram
[05:07] <adamwest> netbeans is heavy, no?
[05:07] <H264> oh
[05:07] <cellofellow> Eclipse is interesting
[05:08] <H264> I used netbeans on my AMD athlon 2400
[05:08] <H264> 1.2 GH
[05:08] <H264> and 512 MB ram
[05:08] <somerville32> adamwest, Yes.
[05:08] <somerville32> adamwest, Yes, I program in Java. :)
[05:08] <H264> *1.2 GZ
[05:09] <adamwest> somerville32 oh ok :P what program are you using then
[05:09] <somerville32> I use gedit
[05:09] <adamwest> walla?
[05:09] <somerville32> What does "walla" mean?
[05:09] <adamwest> oops lol
[05:09] <adamwest> i'm talking with my friends in english so we use hebrew terms in english so i forget sometimes :P
[05:10] <adamwest> "walla" means a lot of things :) ummm
[05:10] <H264> some ppl call me walla
[05:10] <somerville32> adamwest, And good luck
[05:10] <H264> walter, walla
[05:10] <H264> close
[05:10] <H264> lol
[05:10] <adamwest> don't you wanna hear what walla means? :P
[05:10] <somerville32> @now atlantic
[05:10] <Ubugtu> Current time in Canada/Atlantic: January 28 2007, 00:10:58
[05:11] <somerville32> I have to work in the morning.
[05:11] <H264> tomorrow is SUNDAY
[05:11] <adamwest> lol i'ts 6.11AM over here ^_^
[05:11] <somerville32> H264, I know that.
[05:12] <adamwest> btw, "walla?" = really? cool.   || "walla." as an answer to "walla?" means "yup."
[05:12] <H264> heh, ok... I just think sunday and work don't go together too well... at least with me
[05:12] <adamwest> ^_^
[05:12] <H264> hmm, learn something new every day
[05:12] <somerville32> Oh, and everyone make sure to subscribe to the new mailing list! :)
[05:13] <adamwest> :P
[05:13] <somerville32> http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users
[05:13] <adamwest> what mailing list
[05:13] <adamwest> i'll check that
[05:13] <somerville32> :)
[05:13] <adamwest> anyone here familiar with mIRC?
[05:13] <somerville32> ...
[05:13] <DarthLappy> Eww.
[05:14] <somerville32> Gross.
[05:14] <adamwest> lol
[05:14] <adamwest> i dont know what to use under windows ^^
[05:14] <somerville32> adamwest, Try xchat
[05:14] <DarthLappy> Xchat? irssi? KVIrc?
[05:14] <H264> so how many different kernels are there? what OS's are they used in? how much do the kernels differ? eventually can they differ so much that compatability between the kernels is nonexistent?  what is anything  keeping the kernels similar (if anything)?
[05:14] <adamwest> i saw xchat in ubuntu... kinda weird, no?
[05:14] <somerville32> adamwest, no
[05:14] <DarthLappy> "Weird"?
[05:15] <adamwest> dunno, i though konversation was better and kinda left xchat there
[05:15] <somerville32> Gah
[05:15] <H264> ttyl
[05:16] <cellofellow> bug #42478
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42478 in ppracer "ppracer aborts after intro screen" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42478
[05:16] <cellofellow> grrr
[05:16] <adamwest> so you say there's xchat for windows
[05:16] <adamwest> ?
[05:17] <adamwest> !xcha
[05:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xcha - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:17] <adamwest> !xchat
[05:17] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[05:17] <adamwest> .. that didn't help much
[05:17] <H264> does anybody know the answers to my questions?
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> H264: 1) Way more than can be easily counted. 2) See 1. 3) As much as possible, and as little as possible, in various cases. 4) Yes. 5) Developer priorities.
[05:19] <adamwest> what questions
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !offtopic
[05:19] <ubotu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> For non-xubuntu support questions, you should go to the offtopic channels.
[05:19] <adamwest> i'm off, guys
[05:20] <H264> sigh, ok
[05:20] <H264> adam, you were looking at java stuff?
[05:20] <adamwest> was looking for a good ide...
[05:21] <H264> do you have a good book?
[05:21] <adamwest> long time since i last coded stuff :P
[05:21] <cellofellow> Eclipse
[05:21] <cellofellow> for Java
[05:21] <adamwest> i need something NOT heavy
[05:21] <H264> ok
[05:21] <adamwest> :P
[05:21] <H264> my
[05:21] <cellofellow> SciTE and a terminal
[05:21] <adamwest> i'll just use jcreator or smtng
[05:22] <adamwest> well, good night everyone
[05:22] <H264> hmm
[05:22] <DarthLappy> cellofellow: vim and a terminal!
[05:22] <cellofellow> I can't figure out vim. all I know is how to do :wq
[05:23] <DarthLappy> :( It's very nice once you're used to it.
[05:26] <cellofellow> I'm sure it is.
[05:26] <cellofellow> I just haven
[05:26] <cellofellow> t the time
[05:26] <DarthLappy> There's no time needed :(
[05:27] <cellofellow> there's a lot of commands. but, I suppose I should learn
[05:27] <DarthLappy> There's always :help
[05:27] <cellofellow> that's huge
[05:28] <DarthLappy> Pretty much.
[05:28] <cellofellow> well, I do use vim instead of nano usually when I'm editting in the console/a terminal
[05:29] <DarthLappy> \o/
[05:31] <cellofellow> I keep trying to find new things to do in the console. now that the framebuffer works I can watch dvd's with mplayer in it. All it took to get the framebuffer working was the vga kernel option but took me forever to figure that out.
[05:31] <DarthLappy> I've never tried framebuffer, I must say.
[05:32] <cellofellow> it's pretty neat.
[05:32] <DarthLappy> :)
[05:32] <cellofellow> X is better graphics, but if you really like CLI...
[05:32] <DarthLappy> Yeah.
[05:32] <cellofellow> now, if only I can get lynx or links to call fbi when I select an image.
[05:33] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[05:33] <cellofellow> it's nice to have the framebuffer working anyways, just to have more lines and rows of text in the console.
[05:33] <DarthLappy> That's always nice.
[05:33] <DarthLappy> The console looks absolutely horrible here.
[05:34] <cellofellow> looks nice here with the framebuffer working
[05:34] <DarthLappy> The Gentoo install CD has a really nice framebuffer by default :p
[05:35] <cellofellow> even DSL and knoppix you can set the framebuffer settings at boot. I could not figure out why ubuntu's console looked so ugly.
[05:35] <DarthLappy> DSL <3 :D
[05:37] <cellofellow> only thing is I don't see that cute penguin at boot time. Maybe it's cause I get to see that cute mouse instead.
[05:38] <DarthLappy> The mouse?
[05:38] <cellofellow> the usplash screen. The Xubuntu logo has a mouse.
[05:39] <DarthLappy> Ah, the usplash mouse.
[05:39] <DarthLappy> That doesn't look like it's at the right resolution.
[05:39] <cellofellow> probably cause you haven't set your vga mode
[05:39] <cellofellow> looks much better with the framebuffer working
[05:40] <DarthLappy> Aha.
[05:41] <DarthLappy> What are the modes, and how do I set them? :)
[05:41] <cellofellow> well, I had to google around. The modes are in hex but can be used in decimal for some
[05:42] <cellofellow> mine is 792, which is 1024x768. so, the grub line says kernel blah blah vga=792
[05:43] <DarthLappy> Well I'm at that too.
[05:44] <cellofellow> the hex code for that is 0x318
[05:44] <n00b> I can't seem to get my new install to talk to my router
[05:44] <cellofellow> talk? as in dhcp or something?
[05:44] <n00b> sure
[05:44] <cellofellow> no IP address?
[05:45] <n00b> cellofellow: i cant get it to see my router with dhcp or static
[05:45] <cellofellow> huh
[05:46] <n00b> is there some basic setting i'm missing? I had to turn my networking on
[05:49] <DarthLappy> cellofellow: Is there anything that needs to be done after menu.lst is edited?
[05:50] <cellofellow> DarthLappy: reboot is all.
[05:50] <DarthLappy> D:
[05:52] <DarthLappy> Well, I guess I'll go 'n' reboot then.
[05:53] <n00b> any ideas on getting internet?
[05:53] <n00b> i finally go a pcmcia card lappy can see, now i cant get to my router
[05:57] <n00b> test
[05:58] <n00b> Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:02] <DarthLappy> Well, it didn't seem to work from the menu.lst, but it did work when I added them in GRUB itself.
[06:02] <n00b>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:03] <DarthLappy> Aha, I needed to run update-grub
[06:04] <n00b>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:04] <bad_cables-> how do i turn off the screensaver?
[06:04] <bad_cables-> its way too much software for this thing to handle
[06:10] <bad_cables-> anyone up?
[06:11] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:12] <bad_cables-> bad cables every time
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[06:12] <bad_cables-> what is the app that is causing this nasty screen saver?
[06:13] <bad_cables-> xubuntu just installed
[06:13] <bad_cables-> its nice... but the screensaver is too much CPU for this old beast
[06:16] <n00b_> bad_cables-: applications-->settings --> settings manager --> screensaver
[06:17] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:41] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:43] <ilya_yakubovich> hey, how do I make an up run whenever I log in?
[06:44] <bad_cables-> thanks
[06:45] <Jester45> menu > settings > autostarted apps
[06:45] <ilya_yakubovich> Jester45: thanks a lot ^_^
[06:49] <linux_> anyone know how to fix my SSH X11 / GUI auth error?
[06:55] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[06:59] <fxr> ?
[06:59] <linux_> is summerville32 in here?
[06:59] <DarthLappy> Nope.
[06:59] <linux_> ok, i'll check bk later
[07:00] <fxr> sorry to b sooo annoying whats autojoin for a room >
[07:00] <fxr> in IRC
[07:01] <n00b_>  Any help getting lappy to see wrt54gc (wired)? enabled wired connection, doesnt work dhcp or static.
[07:03] <linux_> n00b_, i have same trouble
[07:04] <linux_> i can't use wired with my lappy via wired
[07:04] <linux_> same router too
[07:04] <linux_> its a 6.10 problem, worked fine with 6.06 i think
[07:04] <H264> does anybody have any thoughts on solaris compared to ubuntu or xubuntu?
[07:05] <linux_> java should run faster on solaris? thats a plus, no debian or apt-get though
[07:05] <n00b_> linux_: really?
[07:06] <n00b_> linux_: any suggestions besides rolling to 6.06?
[07:06] <n00b_> linux_: can you use wireless?
[07:06] <linux_> still haven't solved it, so i gave up and used wireless
[07:06] <linux_> yes
[07:14] <linux_> actually n00b_, i am having trouble accessing my router
[07:14] <linux_> i can't access it via http(s)://192.168.1.1
[07:14] <linux_> im not messing with it though, since its working
[07:14] <n00b_> linux_: crap
[07:14] <n00b_> ok
[07:15] <linux_> maybe we have the same problem?
[07:15] <n00b_> maybe
[07:15] <n00b_> i've got 2 xp boxes that are using it fine
[07:16] <linux_> i have one xubuntu box that is using it fine, its 6.06 xubutnu
[07:16] <linux_> i have another lappy running edgy 6.10, thats only working via wireless with it
[07:16] <linux_> that lappy doesn't work with ethernet to that router for some odd reason
[07:16] <n00b_> hmm, this is a ghetto lappy, 64mb ram
[07:17] <n00b_> had to find a 16bit eth card
[07:17] <n00b_> and now it doesnt work
[07:17] <linux_> it shouldn't matter, it should still work
[07:17] <linux_> oh
[07:17] <linux_> yeah, 16 bits aren't the most stable with linux
[07:17] <n00b_> now , as in, 3rd crad and still no joy
[07:17] <linux_> i had to switch ethernet cards with mine to get it to work
[07:17] <n00b_> s/crad/card
[07:17] <linux_> luckily i had another one sitting around
[07:19] <n00b_> linux_: how do you set up a generic usb wireless?
[07:19] <n00b_> as in, how do i get to the settings
[07:20] <linux_> USB wireless ahhhhhh
[07:20] <linux_> very unstable with linux if its an older wireless via usb
[07:20] <n00b_> i dont have any pcmcias laying around
[07:20] <linux_> which i am assuming it is since u said it was a crappy lappy
[07:20] <linux_> i would recommend getting a $12 linux compatible wireless via pcmcia
[07:20] <n00b_> the wireless usb is just some crap ive had laying around for a year or 2
[07:21] <linux_> yeah, figured that, since the laptop was old
[07:21] <n00b_> didnt come with lappy
[07:21] <n00b_> it found wlan0
[07:22] <linux_> thats a good sign
[07:22] <linux_> that means it knows the USB is a network device
[07:22] <linux_> sorry, don't know how to setup the drivers for it on xubuntu
[07:22] <linux_> only on knoppix, and i think the two ways are quite different
[07:23] <n00b_> hmm, any generic wireless settings?
[07:23] <n00b_> i'm willing to unsecure everything (temporarily) if it'll work
[07:24] <linux_> you can try a static setting of 192.168.1.2
[07:24] <linux_> submask 255.255.0.0
[07:24] <linux_> router ip 192.168.1.1
[07:24] <linux_> router ip should = dns ip
[07:25] <linux_> maybe try that
[07:25] <linux_> then move to 192.168.1.3 if you know 192.168.1.2 is in use
[08:29] <shenmue> hi
[08:30] <maxamillion> hello
[08:30] <shenmue> i installed xfce 4.4 using gui installer
[08:30] <maxamillion> yeah, how'd that go?
[08:30] <shenmue> and install xfce to $HOME/local. how can i use xfce 4.4 now?
[08:31] <shenmue> maxamillion: i'm compiling thunar now
[08:32] <maxamillion> shenmue: you should have installed it to /usr/bin and you wouldn't have to do anything, it would just use the new version (in theory)
[08:32] <TheSheep> maxamillion: bad idea
[08:33] <shenmue> maxamillion: i don't want to mess up xubuntu
[08:34] <TheSheep> shenmue: add ~/local/lib/ to your LDPATH and create a new lanucher in /usr/share/xsessions/ with absolute path to xfce4-session in it (copy the original launcher)
[08:34] <shenmue> TheSheep: then how can I use the new compiled version?
[08:35] <shenmue> TheSheep: thanks, do i have to modify startxfce4 file?
[08:35] <maxamillion> TheSheep: why is that a bad idea?
[08:35] <maxamillion> TheSheep: wouldn't it just overwrite what's there?
[08:35] <TheSheep> maxamillion: overwriting files installed from packages is generally no good
[08:36] <TheSheep> shenmue: you will have an new option to choose from on login in 'sessions'
[08:37] <shenmue> TheSheep: oh, i c, thanks
[08:37] <maxamillion> TheSheep: ah .. yeah, i didn't take into account that whole "this is from a package" thing ... :/
[08:37] <TheSheep> shenmue: ah, also add ~/local/bin to the beginning of your PATH
[08:38] <TheSheep> maxamillion: then you try to uninstall or pgrade the package, and it breaks your files
[08:38] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yeah, makes sense
[08:39] <shenmue> TheSheep: ok, i'll give it a try later
[08:39] <TheSheep> that's where RPM is better -- it has checksums of files and won't touch files that changed
[08:41] <maxamillion> TheSheep: would aptitude perform a check for something like that?
[08:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: of course not -- it doesn't have anything to compare with
[08:42] <TheSheep> maxamillion: .deb files are too simple
[08:43] <TheSheep> maxamillion: for that
[08:43] <maxamillion> TheSheep: hrmmm :(
[08:44] <TheSheep> it can, however, have some files marked as 'config' files, then it will ask you whether you want to delete the old file and use the new, or leave the old one.
[08:44] <TheSheep> rpm, on the other hand, can use a diff to merge bth config files
[08:45] <TheSheep> maxamillion: both have their advantages
[08:45] <maxamillion> fair enough
[09:23] <KorN[CM] > are there any dmraid gurus out there??? I'm having LOADS of trouble installing it
[09:25] <maxamillion> dmraid?
[09:25] <ar3ac> someone can tell me how can i set the kernel messages log level
[09:25] <ar3ac> at boot time i have too much messages
[09:30] <TheSheep> ar3ac: try adding 'quiet' to the options
[09:30] <ar3ac> ok
[09:30] <ar3ac> now i try
[10:11] <phlasphy> hey all
[10:27] <KorN[CM] > can someone help me adding deb-source for feisty (Im using edgy but need to get newer dmraid)
[12:25] <shenmue> TheSheep: hi
[12:26] <Majic> hello. :)
[12:26] <shenmue> TheSheep: i just login to xfce4.4 which i have compiled hours ago, but which i run "Terminal"
[12:26] <shenmue> it still run xfce4-terminal which is the old version
[12:27] <shenmue> Majic: ;)
[12:27] <TheSheep> shenmue: put ~/local/bin at the beginning of your PATH
[12:28] <Majic> :p
[12:28] <shenmue> yes, i did that
[12:28] <TheSheep> shenmue: what do you get when you type 'which Terminal' ?
[12:28] <Majic> I have a problem with ndiswrapper. If anyone's free..
[12:28] <shenmue> $HOME/local/bin/Termianl
[12:29] <shenmue> Terminal
[12:31] <gabkdlly> Majic: I can't promise that I can help, but I am successfully running ndiswrapper. So, please tell us about your problem :)
[12:31] <shenmue> in mlterm, i run "Terminal", then it show the new version, weird
[12:31] <Majic> I get this error everytime I try to do "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper":  FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid argument
[12:32] <Majic> I must have something misconfigured...
[12:33] <TheSheep> shenmue: maybe you have the full path specified somewhere?
[12:33] <shenmue> and i want to know whether "xfce4-4.4.0-installer.run" include "Thunar-0.8.0-installer.run" or not?
[12:33] <ar3ac> someone can tell me where can i get xfce 4.4 debs for xubuntu 6.10 ?
[12:33] <gabkdlly> Majic: did you run "ndiswrapper -l" to make sure that driver and hardware are both present and OK?
[12:34] <shenmue> TheSheep: don't know :(
[12:34] <Majic> Yep, both are present. ;)
[12:34] <Majic> And I did the ndiswrapper -m thing too.
[12:35] <AK-87> seems that i joined at the right time, having wireless problems too
[12:36] <gabkdlly> Majic: maybe you have seen this aready? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[12:37] <gabkdlly> I am not sure what the deal is, but it says that if you are using Edgy, you should be using ndiswrapper-1.8
[12:37] <gabkdlly> see point 3, install Necessary Software
[12:37] <shenmue> TheSheep: the thing is: if i run new version successfully, then i use xfrun4 -> Termianl, it runs a new version
[12:37] <Majic> *goes to check link*
[12:40] <Majic> That page isn't loading for me... 0.o
[12:41] <AK-87> seems like i've got the wrong driver, it says driver present, but not hardware present >.<
[12:42] <TheSheep> shenmue: and what do you do when you get the old version?
[12:44] <shenmue> TheSheep: like i run "Terminal" form xfce menu or run "Terminal" using xfrun4
[12:45] <Majic> yay!
[12:45] <Majic> I figured it out. ;)
[12:45] <Majic> You were right, gabkdlly.
[12:45] <Majic> I was using 1.1 of ndiswrapper.  On edgy you must use 1.8.
[12:46] <gabkdlly> Neat! :)
[12:46] <Majic> I would really like to know where 1.2 through 1.7 went though... T.T
[12:47] <Majic> AK-87:  I used this site to find the right driver.  It's the ndiswrapper wiki:  http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[12:47] <AK-87> yeah, there is a link to my driver, but its dead
[12:47] <Majic> That stinks...umm...
[12:47] <AK-87> i hate wireless cards >.<
[12:47] <Majic> I hate ethernet. :D
[12:47] <AK-87> <3 wires
[12:48] <Majic> <3 radio waves
[12:48] <Majic> lawl
[12:49] <AK-87> how do i uninstall a ndiswrapper driver?
[12:50] <gabkdlly> AK-87: if you are sure you have the right driver, you can sometimes "trick" ndiswrapper into using them by renaming the files in /etc/ndiswrapper . Sorry that I can't tell you what you would need to change them to, unless you have the same device that I have :)
[12:51] <AK-87> I've got a Belkin F5D7000 piece of shit
[12:51] <AK-87> but i dont think i've got the right driver
[12:51] <gabkdlly> renaming the *.conf files, I mean
[12:51] <gabkdlly> ok
[12:51] <AK-87> ndiswrapper -l says
[12:52] <AK-87> Installed drivers:
[12:52] <AK-87> bcmwl5a         driver installed
[12:53] <gabkdlly> AK-87: to remove, use "ndiswrapper -e <driver>"
[12:53] <gabkdlly> also, are you using Edgy? ndiswrapper-1.8?
[12:54] <AK-87> yup
[12:54] <gabkdlly> the newer version has a better man page
[12:55] <gabkdlly> I think you can also just remove the directory in /etc/ndiswrapper, but I am not sure. Can anyone back me up on that?
[12:56] <gabkdlly> I guess you would then be using the command "ndiswrapper-1.8 -e bcmwl5a"
[12:56] <gabkdlly> to remove the driver, I mean
[12:58] <AK-87> yeah, removing worked perfectly
[12:58] <AK-87> now i've got an invalid driver >.<
[01:01] <AK-87> lets try the cd that came with it
[01:02] <gabkdlly> good idea. browse around and look for .inf and .sys files
[01:04] <gabkdlly> or, mount the cd and do "find /media/cdrom | grep inf"
[01:04] <AK-87> k, inf files
[01:05] <AK-87> but first i gotta find the cd >.<
[01:16] <KorN[CM] > are there any dmraid gurus out there??? I'm having LOADS of trouble with it ):
[01:30] <AK-87> ugh, nothing seems to work >.<
[01:31] <AK-87> Damn wireless cards!
[01:33] <Majic> I"m guessing you didn't find the right card driver. :p
[01:40] <AK-87> none of the available drivers work :(
[01:40] <fijam> AK-87: what's your card?
[01:41] <AK-87> Belkin F5D7000
[01:48] <fijam> AK-87: have you tried to follow this (http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Belkin_F5D7000_USA_Wireless_Card_in_Linux_Complete_Guide) guide?
[01:51] <AK-87> fijam: Yes, and it says driver present, but it doesnt say hardware present
[01:52] <fijam> I can't help you I'm afraid
[01:54] <AK-87> thansk for the effort anyway
[02:51] <bluefoxicy> xfapplet ^o.o^
[02:57] <slow-motion> hallo
[03:05] <fijam> hello
[03:14] <LordGamer> anyone know of a WinRar Alternative I know there is Winrar but it is command line only
[03:16] <fijam> command line is good
[03:18] <LordGamer> I agree it is good but I am still fighting thse GUI of Windows hangover :P
[03:20] <TheSheep> LordGamer: xarchiver
[03:21] <LordGamer> ty TheSheep
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> yay
[03:42] <bluefoxicy> I got XFCE4 with Deskbar :D
[03:45] <bluefoxicy> stupid thing asks for the cd
[03:59] <LordGamer> how do I go about installing codecs? is there a .deb out there already or would I have to compile?
[03:59] <fijam> !codecs
[03:59] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:00] <TheSheep> LordGamer: you can't compile most of them -- they are closed source
[04:01] <vai_ro> you could try automatix
[04:02] <LordGamer> ah ok
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9831/screenshotxubuntuxs0.png   ^_^
[04:07] <LordGamer> ah ha automatix :D
[04:08] <vai_ro> lol
[04:09] <vai_ro> automatix is by far the easyest way to install codecs
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> easyubuntu
[04:09] <LordGamer> hehe
[04:09] <bluefoxicy> automatix is the fastest way to install uninstallable crap.
[04:10] <bluefoxicy> the guy who wrote it believes a package manager's job is to install software; if you want to remove it, you need to rm and tweak config files
[04:14] <rikai> bluefoxicy, i've not had a problem with uninstalling stuff.
[04:14] <rikai> eh
[05:03] <LordGamer> To install Linux on a dual boot can Linux go on after XP or does Linux have to go first?
[05:03] <apokryphos> !grub
[05:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:04] <apokryphos> LordGamer: take a look at the FAQ (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions) as linked to in the channel /topic
[05:04] <grazie> LordGamer: Best to do XP first
[05:04] <LordGamer> ok good cause thats the way it will be
[05:33] <megamaced> I need some help, I've lost my swap space!
[05:33] <Commander-Crowe> ah oh
[05:33] <megamaced> I used the hibernate feature in Xubuntu and it's corrupted my swap
[05:33] <megamaced> Then I used gparted and reformated the swap
[05:33] <Commander-Crowe> ah oh
[05:33] <megamaced> but sudo mount -a doesn't do anything
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> no, what just happened was it saved the swap to HDD
[05:34] <megamaced> I need to be careful how many programs I have open right now :-)
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> look at the fstab
[05:34] <megamaced> That went OK
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> post what you see in there
[05:34] <megamaced> But when I rebooted I got an error
[05:34] <megamaced> Something about 'failed to read signature'
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> what was it?
[05:34] <Commander-Crowe> oh
[05:35] <Commander-Crowe> I think you formatted it to the wrong type
[05:35] <megamaced> No, that was before I reformatted it
[05:35] <megamaced> That was my initial reboot after I hibernated
[05:36] <megamaced> So I opened Gparted and it said the partition was corrupt
[05:36] <megamaced> so I decided to reformat the swap
[05:36] <Commander-Crowe> oooh
[05:36] <Commander-Crowe> !hibernation
[05:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hibernation - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:36] <Commander-Crowe> eh screw you ubotu
[05:37] <megamaced> My swap line in FSTAB says: UUID=5b89c5e7-e6e4-4156-8032-76b71c3cea1e none swap sw 0 0
[05:37] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[05:37] <megamaced> I am running Edgy
[05:37] <megamaced> I've also tried replacing the UUID with /dev/hda1
[05:38] <Commander-Crowe> none of the smart guys are here atm
[05:38] <megamaced> but that didn't work
[05:38] <Commander-Crowe> no
[05:38] <Commander-Crowe> that wouldn't work
[05:39] <megamaced> So what I'd like to know is how do I 're-register' the swap space with the system?
[05:39] <Commander-Crowe> crimsun, you thee?
[05:39] <megamaced> Also, it's there an error log I can look at for more specific diagnoses?
[05:40] <megamaced> I've looked in /var/cache/messages but can't find anything
[05:46] <Commander-Crowe> look in /var/logs
[05:48] <grazie> megamaced: can you paste the 'p' output of 'sudo fdisk /dev/hdx' where x=a,b whatever
[05:52] <megamaced> will do
[05:52] <grazie> k
[05:53] <megamaced> > Disk /dev/hda: 6495 MB, 6495068160 bytes
[05:53] <megamaced> > 240 heads, 63 sectors/track, 839 cylinders
[05:53] <megamaced> > Units = cylinders of 15120 * 512 = 7741440 bytes
[05:53] <megamaced> >    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[05:53] <megamaced> > /dev/hda1               1          33      249448+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[05:53] <megamaced> > /dev/hda2   *          34         839     6093360   83  Linux
[05:54] <megamaced> any clues, grazie?
[05:54] <megamaced> it looks fine to me
[05:55] <Commander-Crowe> the swap is first?
[05:56] <megamaced> yes
[05:56] <grazie> megamaced: so you originally had just a swap partition and a / partition?
[05:56] <megamaced> grazie: that's correct
[05:57] <grazie> megamaced: you said you formatted the swap...would did you do exactly?
[05:57] <grazie> s/would/what/
[05:57] <megamaced> grazie: I used Gparted
[05:58] <grazie> and...
[05:58] <megamaced> grazie: Gparted said the swap was unreadable, so I right clicked the swap and choose 'Format > Linux-swap'
[05:59] <megamaced> grazie: The reformat was successful
[05:59] <Commander-Crowe> normally swap isn't readable
[05:59] <megamaced> grazie: The hibernation feature in Xubuntu corrupted my swap
[06:00] <megamaced> Commander-Crowe: Gparted would still detect it as a 'Linux-swap' though
[06:00] <megamaced> Commander-Crowe: Instead it just said 'Corrupt / unreadable'
[06:00] <Commander-Crowe> oh and it didn't?
[06:00] <Commander-Crowe>  / doesn't = swap
[06:01] <megamaced> Okay, well lets assume that we've just bought a new hard drive and we are going to use it as swap, what steps would you take to set it up?
[06:01] <grazie> megamaced: you used gparted from the live cd?
[06:01] <megamaced> grazie: no, my desktop still boots!
[06:02] <megamaced> grazie: i've got about 256MB physical ram
[06:02] <Commander-Crowe> ooo
[06:02] <grazie> megamaced: you mustn't use gparted on the booted OS!
[06:02] <megamaced> grazie: yes, but there was a padlock on the / partition. However there was no padlock on the corrupted swap
[06:03] <megamaced> grazie: I guess that means the swap wasn't in use?
[06:04] <grazie> megamaced: I'd suggest very carefully remaking the swap partition from the live cd
[06:04] <megamaced> > david@gs6000:~$ cat /proc/meminfo
[06:04] <megamaced> > MemTotal:       256156 kB
[06:04] <Commander-Crowe> make sure its the exact same size and FS type
[06:04] <megamaced> > MemFree:         26676 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > Buffers:          8544 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > Cached:         140884 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > SwapCached:          0 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > Active:         115280 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > Inactive:        95676 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > HighTotal:           0 kB
[06:04] <megamaced> > HighFree:            0 kB
[06:05] <megamaced> > LowTotal:       256156 kB
[06:05] <megamaced> > LowFree:         26676 kB
[06:05] <megamaced> > SwapTotal:           0 kB
[06:05] <megamaced> > SwapFree:            0 kB
[06:05] <Commander-Crowe> oops
[06:08] <grazie> apokryphos: how long will megamaced be off for?
[06:08] <apokryphos> until he rejoins
[06:08] <Commander-Crowe> he isn't banned
[06:08] <apokryphos> !paste | megamaced
[06:08] <ubotu> megamaced: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:09] <megamaced> Okay, I'll bare that in mind. I am a newb to iRC you know! :-)
[06:09] <apokryphos> no worries
[06:09] <megamaced> Okay, so I should use a Gparted liveCD and reformat my swap?
[06:10] <megamaced> Then how would I re-register that swap in Xubuntu?
[06:10] <Commander-Crowe> first reforatt it
[06:10] <Commander-Crowe> reformat
[06:10] <Commander-Crowe> then see if it'll boot
[06:11] <grazie> yes ... very carefully! /etc/fstab takes care of things. swap isn't format in the normal sense
[06:12] <megamaced> Should I remove the existing swap entry from FSTAB?
[06:12] <grazie> no
[06:12] <megamaced> Will the UUID change though?
[06:13] <grazie> i don't think so, but if it does we'll when it happens
[06:14] <grazie> megamaced: gparted on xubuntu live cd...I think
[06:14] <megamaced> grazie Commander-Crowe , anything else I can check while I wait for the download to finish? ATM I have SSH'd into the Xubuntu machine
[06:14] <snook353> do memory footprint issues i hear about for gnome/ubuntu have anything to do with bonobo?
[06:15] <megamaced> grazie; uh oh. I've just remembered.... my CD on laptop is screwed :0
[06:15] <megamaced> it can't read CD-Rs
[06:15] <megamaced> I think i've got some Kubuntu cds from Shipit
[06:15] <megamaced> I'll try QTparted on that
[06:16] <grazie> snook353: have you asked on #ubuntu?
[06:17] <snook353> nope, but i don't want xubuntu to be slow if i get bonobo
[06:17] <snook353> for criawips and stardic
[06:28] <megamaced> grazie: CD-ROM won't boot, it knackered. However, just run Xubuntu in recovery mode and swap space has mysteriously shown up!
[06:29] <megamaced> grazie: I am now trying a normal boot again
[06:30] <grazie> megamaced: you don't mount swap in the same way as other file systems
[06:30] <grazie> might have been part of your problem
[06:30] <megamaced> grazie: I mean't to say it showed up in cat /proc/meminfo
[06:31] <grazie> megamaced: how big is the swap partition?
[06:33] <megamaced> grazie: It's back again! Crisis is over!
[06:33] <megamaced> grazie: Could it be that the recovery mode sorted it out automatically? BTW, I've got about 256MB swap
[06:34] <grazie> megamaced: if you're going to hibernate your swap need to be a least x2 RAM
[06:35] <megamaced> grazie: So that's probably why it didn't work and screwed my swap space. Anyways, I am NEVER going to use Hibernation again.... LOL
[06:36] <grazie> all part of the fun
[06:36] <megamaced> grazie, Commander-Crowe, thanks for all you help
[06:38] <Commander-Crowe> no problem
[07:11] <frankabel> what app can I use to connect by remote desktop to a XP machine on xubuntu?
[07:13] <TheSheep> frankabel: pyneighbourhood
[07:14] <TheSheep> frankabel: actually that's for browsing. if you know the share name, you can just mount it with smbmount or fusesmb
[07:16] <frankabel> all seem that I don't explain myself well... I need some tools that use rdp protocol
[07:17] <frankabel> I know that exist some of them but I just want know what is the your suggestion for xubuntu
[07:18] <frankabel> TheSheep: Thanks anyway
[07:22] <TheSheep> frankabel: rdesktop
[07:22] <TheSheep> frankabel: usage: rdesktop hostname
[07:23] <TheSheep> frankabel: sorry, I didn't read you carefully
[07:25] <Jester45> !rdp
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rdp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:26] <Jester45> !RDP
[07:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about RDP - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <naphelge> i have always used adobe plugin for firefox but it is a little sluggish on this older laptop i just setup with xubuntu... anyone have a url i can check out for using kpdf or doc viewer ?
[07:28] <Jester45> dl the pdf file then double click it
[07:28] <naphelge> to view the pdf in firefox?
[07:28] <Jester45> or... tell firefox to open open pdf files with the viewer
[07:29] <frankabel> TheSheep: Thanks again... but the colors are really bad
[07:29] <naphelge> yeah i want to view the pdf within firefox tho hate opening in new app window
[07:29] <TheSheep> frankabel: it defaults to 16
[07:29] <Jester45> !pdf
[07:29] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/gpdf, evince and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[07:30] <TheSheep> frankabel: you can change that with some option
[07:30] <TheSheep> frankabel: rdesktop --help for details
[07:30] <TheSheep> epdfview is pretty nice
[07:30] <Jester45> TheSheep: so this rdesktop is xubuntu looking at xp?
[07:30] <frankabel> TheSheep: Ok, thanks again for your support
[07:31] <TheSheep> Jester45: it's Microsoft's version of VNC
[07:31] <Jester45> ok
[07:31] <Jester45> TheSheep: im going to have to try this
[07:32] <naphelge> thesheep, is epdfview a stand alone app that can embed in firefox?
[07:32] <Jester45> TheSheep: for once xp will work for linux and not linux working to make xp better
[07:32] <TheSheep> Jester45: windows has by default a limit to 3 or so users connected at a time
[07:32] <Jester45> TheSheep: thats fine there is only 2 users here
[07:32] <TheSheep> naphelge: no, just standalone
[07:33] <naphelge> kk i am looking to use kdpf i guess is the next best thing to adobe but faster yeah
[07:36] <Jester45> naphelge: i wouldnt use kpdf because it needs parts of KDE
[07:36] <naphelge> i already have kde libs installed for other kde apps i like.... so no biggie
[07:37] <naphelge> but can't find much useful info on installing kpdf plugin ... search always pukes back most pages about adobe
[07:38] <naphelge> or kpdf in konqueror
[07:38] <Jester45> !kpdf
[07:38] <ubotu> kpdf: PDF viewer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 315 kB, installed size 1004 kB
[07:39] <TheSheep> pretty large for a simple viewer
[07:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you know why I always get the message, upon boot, that the last entry on my HDs is in the future?
[07:41] <naphelge> faster & smaller than adobe tho huh? i would rather use gnome's doc viewer but can't find any info about browser plugins for that at all
[07:41] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: no idea, try booting into single user mode and running fsck...
[07:41] <TheSheep> naphelge: why would you view pdfs in a browser anyways?
[07:42] <TheSheep> naphelge: it's totally unsuited for that :)
[07:42] <naphelge> always preferred viewing pdf's from web in web browser than alt app
[07:43] <TheSheep> but, but... oh well, I guess it's a question of what you're used to
[07:43] <naphelge> i use doc viewer to view local pdfs but prefer browser to view pdfs online
[07:43] <hyper_ch> ok, will try that (later)
[07:43] <TheSheep> naphelge: and what's the difference, other than source of the file?
[07:44] <Jester45> TheSheep: he would have an 2nd open window and maybe a little more to start up the new app
[07:44] <naphelge> [/quote]  oh well, I guess it's a question of what you're used to[/quote] 
[07:44] <naphelge> heh
[07:44] <TheSheep> Jester45: and a pdf plugin would start faster and in a tab? in MSIE???
[07:44] <TheSheep> naphelge: ok, ok :)
[07:45] <naphelge> just convenience for me i guess
[07:45] <Jester45> naphelge: you could allways tell firefox to open the pdf files in a 2nd window automaticaly? compromise untill you or sheep know what to do
[07:46] <Jester45> TheSheep: i think it should open a little faster
[07:46] <naphelge> thats the default to open in alt app like doc viewer is my default & works fine just not what i'd prefer ... but may need to adjust to
[07:48] <naphelge> not a real huge biggie when i think about it but like anything else with linux... strive to make it do what u want it do :)
[07:48] <Jester45> or... a ff extension to change code in the webpage from a .pdf link to a embedded object? hehe but i dont remember the name
[07:56] <MrDenix> hey :)
[07:56] <Jester45> hi
[07:56] <MrDenix> hello Jester45
[07:56] <naphelge> kk guys thanx for talking me into using pdfs outside of firefox... will try it for awhile :) bbl with more questions i am sure
[07:57] <MrDenix> could this be the place for xubuntu support ? (even for us ... the beginners ? :P )
[07:59] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: maybe :)
[07:59] <TheSheep> MrDenix: you bet
[07:59] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: give it a try and ask whatever your mind troubles :)
[07:59] <MrDenix> great guys ! thanks. kind of new to this stuff
[08:00] <MrDenix> i'm very experienced user on microsoft products. now i need to move my stuff to linux
[08:00] <MrDenix> and what i need the most is to cfg
[08:00] <MrDenix> a FTP SERVER
[08:00] <MrDenix> have no clue on how to even start this
[08:01] <MrDenix> would very much appreciate your help ! :)
[08:02] <hyper_ch> oh... ftp servers... hmmm
[08:02] <TheSheep> MrDenix: I usually used pureftpd
[08:02] <MrDenix> by comparing to windows i understand i need to configure every single part of it (like that database for users, and limitations and all that stuFF)
[08:03] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: you may want to have a look at this here:  http://www.howtoforge.com/pureftpd_mysql_virtual_hosting
[08:03] <MrDenix> pureftpd good thing to start with let me check it out
[08:03] <MrDenix>  great hyper_ch & TheSheep , thanks, let me give it a look
[08:03] <TheSheep> MrDenix: actually they are usually shipped with usable configuration
[08:03] <TheSheep> MrDenix: using the system's user database etc.
[08:03] <MrDenix> TheSheep: I see
[08:03] <TheSheep> there is also proftpd, heard good things about it
[08:04] <MrDenix> TheSheep: sounds better already :P
[08:04] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: there are numerous ftp servers out there but so far I never had to configure one :)
[08:04] <Jester45> MrDenix: i normal use vsftp
[08:04] <MrDenix> gonna check them both now. be back in a few and tell you how it worked out
[08:04] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: may I ask what you need it for?
[08:04] <MrDenix> well under xp i used FILEZILLA
[08:04] <TheSheep> MrDenix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79588
[08:05] <MrDenix> extremly easy and useful
[08:05] <MrDenix> i do alot of IT services and i need most of my apps all the time. best choice was to cfg a ftp under xp
[08:05] <MrDenix> it worked great
[08:05] <MrDenix> now i want to get to the pro's side :P
[08:05] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: so it's only you that wants access?
[08:06] <MrDenix> mainly yes, maybe create few accounts for other purposes
[08:06] <Jester45> lol
[08:06] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: if it's only you, why not using SCP?
[08:06] <Jester45> my friend chmod ed his /
[08:07] <MrDenix> hyper_ch i'm 2 days old in xubuntu :P i have no clue on what to use. i tried google but had no luck
[08:08] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, if it's just you then you could use your normal system account and use SSH to connect to it... connecting from a windows machine you could use WinSCP as client...
[08:08] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: hence you will have ssh secured transfers :)
[08:08] <MrDenix> hyper_ch : or a simple putty, ies that's right
[08:08] <MrDenix> yes *
[08:08] <hyper_ch> I found that meanwhile easier than setting up a scp server
[08:08] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: yes, winscp is just  graphical interface for putty
[08:09] <hyper_ch> ups, easier than setting ups a ftp server I meant to say
[08:09] <MrDenix> hyper_ch fact is i'm looking towards doing  some both complicated and nice stuff under linux so i can start learning it
[08:10] <MrDenix> hyper_ch for how long are you using linux , if you don't mind please
[08:10] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: hmmm, I finally switched over (meaing my desktop) in july
[08:10] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: but I have been renting a debian box for nearly 2 years now
[08:10] <MrDenix> hyper_ch still have some xp pcs around me for harsh days :D
[08:11] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: sounds nice . congrats
[08:11] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: I have dual boot for xp (if needed) but mostly for a few appz I use WinXP in VmWare
[08:11] <MrDenix> multi-os choice. nice stuff
[08:11] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, on the server I haven't done much... I got to know command shell :) but that's it... not big messing around with it
[08:12] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, I just keep the winXP partition for games... but when I need some windows app then I use vmware
[08:12] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: final goal for me, which i must achieve in a matter of weeks, is to have a webhosting server configured on this xubuntu plat.
[08:12] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: i see
[08:12] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, there are nice howtos
[08:12] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: you want to use edgy or dapper?
[08:12] <MrDenix> which would you recommand ?
[08:13] <MrDenix> i'm on dapper right now i
[08:13] <hyper_ch> for a webserver: Debian
[08:13] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: i see
[08:13] <hyper_ch> I hope I won't get kicked and banned now from this channel
[08:13] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: :)) that would be stupid
[08:13] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: in my opinion Ubuntu is rather a Desktop than a server
[08:13] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: it is indeed
[08:13] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: and Debian has been proved a rock-stable server
[08:13] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: but it is helpful for beg
[08:14] <hyper_ch> well, I'm waiting for Debian Etch to be released as it will ugprade some stuff :)
[08:14] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: have you ever tried building such server on debian ?
[08:14] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: nope, but on howtoforge there are nice tutorials
[08:14] <hyper_ch> that's where I learnt most about running a webserver
[08:14] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: thanks for the tip, it'll prove most helpful
[08:14] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: for sarge:  http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge
[08:15] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: Dapper:  http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06
[08:15] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: Edgy:  http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.10
[08:16] <hyper_ch> well, my server did not come with imap.. that was the first thing I changed and the howtos from Falko helped me a lot :)
[08:16] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: i used to find stuff like that very fast for xp, now it seems like i'm rusty in a way . can't get no info at all (almost)
[08:17] <TheSheep> MrDenix: you just need to learn everything again from the beginning
[08:17] <TheSheep> MrDenix: it's harder for windows experts than for newbies, actually
[08:17] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: which is killing me, but hopefuly i will survive
[08:17] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: you're right :))
[08:17] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: you can find an answer to almost everything... the main trouble is to know what you need to search for :)
[08:17] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: good point
[08:17] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, the perfect howtos are just copy'n'paste :)
[08:18] <TheSheep> MrDenix: you can always ask here or anywhere else on freenode
[08:18] <hyper_ch> (or mostly just like that)...
[08:18] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: ones that are made to eas-up ur life
[08:18] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well #debian ist quite unfriendly... and I'm still banned from #php
[08:18] <MrDenix> TheSheep thank you, as you can see i am exercising my possibilites :)
[08:19] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: which is why i shall start my webhosting server exp in linux under xubuntu, and because i already have it installed
[08:19] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: and it works fine as long as i can tel
[08:19] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: I haven't hit an unfriendly channel on freenode yet
[08:19] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: musy be my good luck :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, *ubuntu is debian based :) so it will also be stable :)
[08:20] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: well, the channels per se aren't unfriendly... just the people in there... if you don't ask anything highly sophisticated then you just get a RTFM
[08:20] <MrDenix> gonna take some time exploring the links you offered, thank you very much. i shall remain logged on on #xubuntu for quite long, hopefully we shall chat often :P
[08:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: and for the #php channel... well there was a mod that just told everyone to RTFM... since I do know 1-2 things about PHP I have also helped people in there and finally I told the OP that it probably would better to stfu instead of just yelling at everyone to RTFM
[08:21] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: ever since I'm banned frm #php
[08:21] <MrDenix> hyper_ch & TheSheep : thank you for providing me with info i needed. i will surely find difficulties in applying it so if you won't mind i will keep asking you stuff i can't handle
[08:21] <MrDenix> thanks again :)
[08:22] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: if you have problems just ask... if we can help.. we will :)
[08:22] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: appreciate it ! thanks alot
[08:27] <MrDenix> how should i know if i have edgy eft or dapper drake lts, considering i can't rememeber which one i downloaded. help from application does not provide me with this kind of info  (it's all about XFCE 4.2) and i couldn't find the about stuff
[08:28] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, open /etc/apt/sources.list in a text editor :) either it says "dapper" or "edgy" for the sources :)
[08:29] <MrDenix> deb http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricte
[08:29] <hyper_ch> then it's dapper
[08:29] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: thanKs :) !  i feel so stupid asking this stuff :))
[08:30] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, I'm sure there are other ways to find out but I don't know any
[08:30] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: good thing i now know what to read :D
[08:37] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: successfully installed openssh-server. things are looking good for the moment
[08:37] <hyper_ch> ^^
[08:40] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: do you know how to keep the 4-desktops in Beryl on Edgy?
[08:43] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: issue coming up: on page 3 of the howto it says to cfg your network (considering dhcp start of xubuntu network). i already configured my network and i have static IP ADD. fact is, lower to the network cfg part says like this :
[08:43] <MrDenix> now run : hostname
[08:43] <MrDenix> hostname -f
[08:43] <MrDenix> same should output my server name
[08:44] <hyper_ch> which tutorial are you following?
[08:44] <MrDenix> only first outputs my server name and second outputs local host
[08:44] <MrDenix> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3
[08:44] <hyper_ch> and your output is?
[08:45] <MrDenix> hostname  - output = server name
[08:45] <hyper_ch> and what does your hosts file look like?
[08:45] <MrDenix> hostname -f = localhost
[08:45] <hyper_ch> use:  http://www.phpfi.com   --> please paste there
[08:46] <MrDenix> hehe nice stuff. pasting right now
[08:47] <MrDenix> http://phpfi.com/198319
[08:47] <hyper_ch> please post your /etc/hosts   also
[08:49] <MrDenix> 2s pls working on it
[08:49] <MrDenix> http://phpfi.com/198320
[08:49] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: http://phpfi.com/198320
[08:50] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: -->  nano /etc/hosts
[08:50] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: that's a file :)
[08:50] <hyper_ch> and nano is a simple text editor
[08:50] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: http://phpfi.com/198321
[08:51] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: i see thanks
[08:52] <hyper_ch> you can quit nano with ctrl-x
[08:52] <MrDenix> ok
[08:52] <hyper_ch> open nano again as superuser:   sudo nano /etc/hosts
[08:52] <hyper_ch> alter that line:  127.0.0.1 localhost DeniXubuntu
[08:52] <hyper_ch> to:  127.0.0.1 localhost
[08:53] <hyper_ch> then again  ctrl-x --> but this time you'll be asked whether you want to save the file... press "y"
[08:53] <hyper_ch> and then hit "enter"
[08:54] <MrDenix> it doesn't save changes. gimme a sec pls
[08:55] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, this file is owned by root and only root may modify it... hence you need to open it as "root" or rather as "sudo" -->  sudo nano /etc/hosts
[08:55] <MrDenix> did so
[08:55] <hyper_ch> and then
[08:55] <hyper_ch> did you make the modificatiosn?
[08:55] <MrDenix> i can edit, after i press ctrl x press y and enter
[08:55] <MrDenix> yes i did
[08:56] <hyper_ch> and what did it do?
[08:56] <MrDenix> after i oppened again and no modif were saved
[08:56] <hyper_ch> then modify it again...
[08:56] <hyper_ch> press ctrl-x
[08:56] <MrDenix> doing so right now
[08:56] <hyper_ch> and then read what the dialog says
[08:58] <MrDenix> http://phpfi.com/198325
[08:58] <hyper_ch> actually I don't think that is that important
[08:58] <MrDenix> hyper_ch : http://phpfi.com/198325
[08:58] <MrDenix> hopefuly it is not
[08:58] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: well, then press "Y"
[08:58] <hyper_ch> what will you be asked then?
[08:58] <MrDenix> did so, after nano /etc/hosts shows no modifications that i previously made
[08:59] <MrDenix> nothing happnes if i press Y
[08:59] <hyper_ch> strange
[08:59] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: try then  gksudo mousepad /etc/hosts
[08:59] <MrDenix> http://phpfi.com/198327    after pressing y
[08:59] <hyper_ch> hmmm, that should work
[09:00] <MrDenix> and it did :P
[09:00] <MrDenix> nice stuff you're telling me
[09:00] <hyper_ch> ^^
[09:01] <MrDenix> hyper_ch:  http://phpfi.com/198328
[09:01] <MrDenix> hyper_ch:  what does   " ^^ " stand for ?
[09:01] <hyper_ch> that's a grin :)
[09:01] <hyper_ch> well, I gotta go now :)
[09:01] <MrDenix> ok then ^^
[09:01] <hyper_ch> good luck with the rest
[09:01] <hyper_ch> if you encounter problems, howtoforge.com has also a forum
[09:01] <MrDenix> thank you for helping me ! hope we will be talking soon
[09:02] <MrDenix> i shall subscribe
[09:02] <MrDenix>  thank you again
[09:02] <hyper_ch> the next few days I'll be a bit busy... I have to finish two papers for university
[09:02] <MrDenix> good luck :) and Godspeed
[09:02] <MrDenix> all the best hyper_ch !
[09:03] <hyper_ch> it's only 10 and 15 pages
[09:03] <MrDenix> let me know if there's something i can help you with ^^
[09:04] <hyper_ch> how much do you know about Swiss Law?
[09:05] <MrDenix> as much as google can offer ^^
[09:05] <hyper_ch> well, that won't be of much use :) but thx for the offer
[09:06] <MrDenix> for the mom best i can do ! :)  hope someday i will be able to return your help ! in anyway i can ! good luck again on those papers
[09:06] <hyper_ch> MrDenix: just help others with the knowledge you gain :)
[09:06] <MrDenix> hyper_ch: i surely will !
[09:45] <MrDenix> goodbye everyone ! and for some of you goodnight ^^
[09:46] <MrDenix> goodbye hyper_ch thank you for all !
[10:30] <slow-motion> n8
[10:40] <noalternative> I installed a an opera tar.gz I would like to remove.  How do I do this.  It wasn't just zipped it installed with and install script.
[10:43] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It should have an uninstall script, or an uninstall option in the install script.
[10:44] <noalternative> ok I'll look.
[10:54] <Arnott> hey all. wondering if anyone can help with an annoying wireless prob
[10:57] <Arnott> #NickServ /motd
[11:11] <ArnottAus> hey all
[11:12] <ArnottAus> can anyone help me with an annoying wireless problem
[11:12] <ephemeros> hey
[11:13] <ArnottAus> hey mate how are yoy?
[11:13] <ephemeros> im fine, i think ;)
[11:13] <ephemeros> man, try searching the forums for the wireless stuff
[11:14] <ArnottAus> sorry mate... already have!
[11:14] <ArnottAus> it's a weird one
[11:14] <ephemeros> :))
[11:14] <ephemeros> ok, seems like you have to ask till someone who knows is on
[11:14] <Jester45> ArnottAus: card? with or with out WPA
[11:14] <ArnottAus> without WPA
[11:14] <ArnottAus> only WEP
[11:15] <Jester45> ok thats better
[11:15] <Jester45> what card?
[11:15] <ArnottAus> using airlinkAWLL3026
[11:15] <ArnottAus> driver is registered
[11:15] <Jester45> PCI right
[11:15] <ArnottAus> usb
[11:15] <Jester45> o
[11:15] <ArnottAus> it's all cnfigured
[11:16] <ArnottAus> even shows as associated with my AP
[11:16] <Jester45> but no internet?
[11:16] <ArnottAus> that's right
[11:17] <Jester45> have you tried enabling the connection? sound stupid but somethimes people forget things or over look them
[11:17] <Jester45> menu > settings > netowrking
[11:17] <ArnottAus> yeah i did that before... just double checking nothing has changed...
[11:17] <ArnottAus> yep
[11:17] <Jester45> ok
[11:18] <ArnottAus> the ESSID is correct and the connection has a tick next to it so it is enabld...
[11:18] <Jester45> well i dont know anything about wireless so yea... i was just helping you to detail your question
[11:18] <mike-e> !nonfree
[11:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nonfree - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:19] <mike-e> hmm
[11:19] <mike-e> will the non-free repos for regular ubuntu work on xubuntu?
[11:20] <crimsun> yes.
[11:20] <mike-e> thanks chachee
[11:20] <Jester45> ArnottAus: you can try #ubuntu they have more people but ask "does anyone know how to get a usb *yourcard* with no WPA to work the driver is registered and the connection is enabled"
[11:20] <Jester45> mike-e: they are the same repos
[11:20] <ArnottAus> ok thanks mate
[11:28] <b52laptop> please  are this module all of them necessary http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3243/ , i mean to make Xorg eating less memory is it possible that i remove some of this modules that are not necessary ? if yes ; which ones?
[11:52] <b_52Free> qny one can paste me please his section "modules" frm his xorg.conf   this person should be not using glx or stuff like that :D
[11:52] <Taram> n8
[11:53] <capiira> hi does xubuntu already have 4.4.0 in the repo?
[11:54] <crimsun> it has been in feisty for several days.
[11:54] <capiira> i mean for 6.10
[11:54] <maxamillion> capiira: technically yes, but it is in the feisty repository which will be the next release ... i'm not so sure on the status of a backport of it to edgy though
[11:55] <capiira> ah ok
[11:56] <capiira> thx
[11:56] <maxamillion> np
[12:04] <ernesto`> hi
[12:05] <maxamillion> hello
[12:05] <maxamillion> ernesto`: your last name by any change ongaro?
[12:06] <ernesto`> i can't get any network connection with my fresh xubuntu. driver are loaded, eth0 set up correctly.. any hints what else i could do?
[12:06] <ernesto`> no, first time here =)
[12:06] <zOap> I have xubuntu dapper, but I don't have the fane "compositor" in the "window manager tweaks". What do I have to do to get that one?
[12:06] <maxamillion> zOap: you will probably need to edit your xorg.conf and add it
[12:07] <maxamillion> ernesto`: ethernet or wifi?
[12:07] <ernesto`> ethernet
[12:07] <zOap> maxamillion, do you have an example of what I have to write in xorg.conf? or a a wiki page about it?
[12:08] <ernesto`> using this one: http://www.linuxfreunde.de/marl/mobile510/mobile510.html
[12:09] <maxamillion> zOap: lemme get you a link
[12:09] <maxamillion> ernesto`: i'll look at that in just a moment
[12:09] <ernesto`> sure, thanks
[12:13] <maxamillion> zOap: add this http://www.pastebin.ca/331502 to your xorg.conf and then restart X, the option should show up now
[12:13] <maxamillion> ernesto`: that's the machine you are putting linux on?
[12:13] <zOap> maxamillion, thanks:) do you know how much resources this uses? and if you need hardware acceleration or?
[12:13] <ernesto`> yes
[12:13] <maxamillion> ernesto`: sweet .... i <3 old hardware
[12:14] <ernesto`> love my old crappy laptop
[12:14] <maxamillion> zOap: you shouldn't need hardware acceleration for it, but it would help ... there will be a little overhead because of the rendering, but if you have atleast 256mb of ram there shouldn't be much difference
[12:15] <zOap> maxamillion, ok, thanks for all the help:)
[12:15] <maxamillion> zOap: np, anytime
[12:15] <maxamillion> ernesto`: that link you gave me doesn't say anything about an ethernet interface... ?
[12:16] <ernesto`> erm it's a xircom pcmcia ethernet card
[12:16] <maxamillion> ooooo ... ok
[12:16] <ernesto`> give me a sec i'm looking for a link
[12:17] <maxamillion> ernesto`: kk
[12:17] <ernesto`> anyways.. i'm sure it's recognized by the system
[12:17] <maxamillion> how are you sure?
[12:19] <ernesto`> "pccardctl status" tells me "Subdevice 0 bound to driver "xirc2ps_cs""
[12:19] <ernesto`> and when i manually "ifup" eth0, the status light at the card turns on :)
[12:19] <ernesto`> so i think i am sure :p
[12:19] <maxamillion> ernesto`: oh ... ok ... then just do "sudo eth0 dhclient" to get an ip address :)
[12:20] <ernesto`> i already setup a static ip in /etc/net/interfaces
[12:20] <ernesto`> so after "ifup eth0" it should work
[12:21] <ernesto`> and i am sure that gateway & other data are correct
[12:21] <ernesto`> even ifconfig shows me eth0 device
[12:22] <maxamillion> ernesto`: interesting ... but you can't ping anything?
[12:22] <ernesto`> no.. nothing but myself =)
[12:23] <maxamillion> hrmmm..
[12:23] <ernesto`> configured everything.. nameserver, gateway...
[12:23] <ernesto`> it cannot be a hardware malfunction, i get a connection with DSL-liveCD
[12:24] <maxamillion> i was afraid of that ...
[12:24] <maxamillion> hrmm..
[12:24] <ernesto`> is a kernel route required?
[12:24] <ernesto`> maybe?
[12:24] <zOap> maxamillion, I did insert what you pasted into xorg.conf, but nothing appeared in "window manager tweaks" no tab "compositor"
[12:25] <maxamillion> ernesto`: uhmmm... possible ... what does "route" output?
[12:25] <maxamillion> zOap: uhmmm, just a moment
[12:25] <zOap> maxamillion, ok,:)
[12:26] <LordGamer> woohoo dual boot
[12:26] <ernesto`> route says the default route to 192.168.0.1 (my router)
[12:26] <ernesto`> but genmask 0.0.0.0 ...is that correct`?
[12:28] <maxamillion> genmask for _that_ gateway entry? or for the one default one below it?
[12:28] <ernesto`> only for that
[12:28] <maxamillion> zOap: there is a "specialist" about to join who knows all about your problem and will assist you
[12:29] <zOap> maxamillion, ok, thank you:) what is his nick?
[12:29] <maxamillion> zOap: his name is JKnife ... should be here in a min
[12:29] <zOap> ok:)
[12:29] <zOap> thanks
[12:29] <maxamillion> np
[12:29] <maxamillion> zOap: i don't use the compositor so i don't know about its little follies :P
[12:29] <maxamillion> ernesto`: no, that one should be 255.255.255.0
[12:30] <ernesto`> how can i change the route?
[12:30] <maxamillion> uhmm... just a moment
[12:30] <zOap> maxamillion, heh, thats ok. It's no big deal really, just would be fun to try out the stuff in it.. for fun and nothing else..
[12:30] <ernesto`> i only know the "route add default 192.168....." ;)
[12:31] <zOap> ernesto`, that's " route add default gw x.x.x.x
[12:31] <ernesto`> erm yes i did that with gw
[12:31] <maxamillion> ernesto`: yeah ... that's what you will use ... "route add default gw 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ... that _should_ fix it