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| RichEd | morning | 07:48 |
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| LaserJock | hi RichEd | 07:55 |
| RichEd | hey LaserJock ... doing okay ? | 07:55 |
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| LaserJock | RichEd: oh, really busy lately, but yeah | 08:18 |
| nothlit | wheres that list of extra things edubuntu comes with | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | nothlit: extra as in? | 08:23 |
| LaserJock | stuff that's not on Ubuntu? | 08:23 |
| nothlit | yeah | 08:23 |
| nothlit | or a differential list | 08:24 |
| nothlit | someone gave it to me before here | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well the seeds are probably the best to look if you are looking at packages | 08:24 |
| nothlit | i remember it was a nicely formatted english page rather than a package list | 08:25 |
| nothlit | you don't have to find it, i was just wondering if anybody knew it offhand | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 08:26 |
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| nothlit | http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu is pretty good too | 08:26 |
| LaserJock | ah, that's the page I was just going to give you | 08:27 |
| LaserJock | that's not it? | 08:27 |
| nothlit | no | 08:27 |
| nothlit | i think i found it on the wiki though | 08:27 |
| nothlit | hmm nm | 08:27 |
| nothlit | its ok, no biggie | 08:27 |
| nothlit | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications is pretty good too | 08:29 |
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| LaserJock | nothlit: although not accurate | 08:30 |
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| LaserJock | morning Pete | 09:45 |
| highvoltage | Morning Pete and Jordan | 09:46 |
| edubuntugirl | highvoltage: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'Thanks, I'll send you the source if you're interested. Still in development ;)' 17 hours, 23 minutes and 5 seconds ago (on Sun Jan 28 17:23:50 2007) | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | edubuntugirl: botsnack | 09:46 |
| edubuntugirl | thanks, highvoltage | 09:46 |
| cbx33 | heheh hi highvoltage | 09:46 |
| LaserJock | hi highvoltage | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | anyone else having problems accessing lists.ubuntu.com? | 09:47 |
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| humbolto | what is the best solution to get FAX support in ubuntu/edubuntu? faxing from each terminal, receiving fax in folders or via email, sending fax via email, ...? | 12:02 |
| humbolto | is hylafax the standard? | 12:02 |
| humbolto | or is this going to be replaced by asterisk sooner or later? | 12:02 |
| highvoltage | humbolto: I think asterisk offers some hylafax integration, but afaik asterisk isn't planning on creating it's own fax server software | 12:06 |
| highvoltage | humbolto: other than that, I'm afraid I can't really answer your questions, for help on hylafax, you're likely to get the best answers from #ubuntu | 12:07 |
| highvoltage | humbolto: or even the ubuntu-users mailing lists | 12:07 |
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| humbolto | closed the chat window by accident. did I get a response already? | 12:08 |
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| RichEd | hi ogra ... | 12:10 |
| RichEd | did lask week finish well at the sprint ? | 12:10 |
| ogra | apart from me catching a horrible cold, yes ... | 12:11 |
| edubuntugirl | ogra: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'Hi dude, sent you email with source, will hopefully be available after 5 UTC, please SMS me ;)' 19 hours, 47 minutes and 42 seconds ago (on Sun Jan 28 17:24:26 2007) | 12:11 |
| humbolto | hi ogra: my p133 thin clients are still a little slow even with 128mb ram. but mostly this concernes the logon procedure. the rest (except for video) is usable. the rest of my clients work like a charm!!! | 12:12 |
| RichEd | ogra: hope you're okay ... lots of people picking up body bugs :( | 12:12 |
| ogra | cbx33, sorry for yesterday, i had to stay in bed ... do you have time today ? | 12:12 |
| ogra | RichEd, its ok ... i'm through the worst i think | 12:13 |
| cbx33 | ogra: hey dude | 12:13 |
| RichEd | good | 12:13 |
| ogra | humbolto, hey, great to hear ! | 12:13 |
| cbx33 | ogra: it's ok..... | 12:14 |
| cbx33 | did you get my mail | 12:14 |
| ogra | i agree that ldm needs some speedups, got that on my list for feisty<+1 | 12:14 |
| ogra | -< | 12:14 |
| humbolto | ogra: the p133 client is only running some monitoring app anyway. | 12:14 |
| ogra | cbx33, yep, just waeding through 900 mails here, i saw yours | 12:14 |
| cbx33 | heh, ithink i sent several ;) | 12:14 |
| cbx33 | even left you my mobile number ;) | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | haha | 12:15 |
| ogra | i saw two ... | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | yeh that sounds about right | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | so when were you thinking today? | 12:15 |
| humbolto | ogra: as I said before, you guys are right at the beat of your users hearts! | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | tbh you may need to take a look at the code before we chat | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | see what I've done | 12:15 |
| cbx33 | etc | 12:15 |
| ogra | cbx33, i have a meeting at 12:00 UTC | 12:15 |
| ogra | that should last 1h i think | 12:16 |
| humbolto | I love this project! | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | humbolto: heh | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | so do we | 12:16 |
| ogra | :) | 12:16 |
| cbx33 | ogra: I'm booked up till the 1st to work on TCM | 12:16 |
| humbolto | things like the student-control-panel are just so much what the users NEEED! | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | so take your time, try it out....and give me some real BAM BAM BAM this is what I need | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | hehe humbolto we're just talking about that | 12:17 |
| humbolto | You guys are reading minds! | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | it's called TCM now | 12:17 |
| humbolto | ThinClientManager? | 12:17 |
| cbx33 | indeed | 12:17 |
| ogra | cbx33,your ssh questiojn: while [ 0 ] ; do who; sleep 1; done | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | woh woh woh :p | 12:18 |
| ogra | implement something like that into the backend ... | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | well it's already a gobject timer | 12:18 |
| ogra | i.e. --remote-userlist | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | i can just change the frequency | 12:18 |
| ogra | so the backend constantly throws out the userlist | 12:18 |
| cbx33 | are you looking at the code? | 12:19 |
| ogra | then just connect the frontend permanently through the ssh tunnel | 12:19 |
| ogra | nope, i'm still busy with my mail | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 12:19 |
| humbolto | I have one question concerning the general edubuntu environment: What is the standard for FAX services in edubuntu? | 12:19 |
| ogra | but that thing above is what came to my mind when i read your question | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | so is the frontend running on the server or the remote machine through ssh -x? | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | or similar? | 12:19 |
| ogra | keep the connection open ... | 12:19 |
| cbx33 | ahhh i see | 12:20 |
| ogra | the frontend runs on the client machine | 12:20 |
| ogra | it execs: ssh -X scpuser@server scp-backend --constantly | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | ok.....when you take a look at that, perhaps you could help advise me on it ;) | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | yes i see now | 12:20 |
| ogra | or something like thet | 12:20 |
| ogra | *that | 12:20 |
| ogra | if you need more functions and want to fork off a second backend proicess that should work fine through the same tunnel through a socket | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | I'm sure it would if I knew how to do it | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 12:22 |
| cbx33 | remember I'm still a n00b at some of this | 12:22 |
| ogra | ssh -X -S /tmp/.my-totally-cool-socket scpuser@server scp-backend --constantly | 12:24 |
| RichEd | ping: ogra, rodarvus, willvdl - are we all available for our chat in 35 mins | 12:24 |
| willvdl | sure | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | how do i then reference the socket in python? | 12:25 |
| ogra | cbx33, now every command you use like: ssh -S /tmp/.my-totally-cool-socket server <command> will be execute3d through the socketz | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | ahh i see | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | dude you are a legend | 12:25 |
| cbx33 | the things you teach me | 12:26 |
| ogra | not sure if there is qa direct python function, i must admit i never looked | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | not needed if it works like you say there | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | ;) | 12:26 |
| ogra | but you can use a pipe from the subprocess modules | 12:26 |
| ogra | *module | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | to get teh stdout | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | ? | 12:26 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:26 |
| ogra | well, a direct function is always preferred | 12:26 |
| ogra | yeah | 12:27 |
| cbx33 | of course | 12:27 |
| ogra | RichEd, sure i am ... | 12:27 |
| RichEd | thankx ... that makes 2/4 and counting ... willvdl & rodarvus ?? | 12:27 |
| ogra | willvdl answered above | 12:28 |
| cbx33 | ogra: thanks for that | 12:29 |
| RichEd | thanks ... didn't see that ... | 12:29 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: if you cuold possibly take a look at TCM sometime today and give me feedback by tonight | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | I have time to work on it tonight | 12:31 |
| cbx33 | i don't want to waste it | 12:31 |
| ogra | yep | 12:32 |
| ogra | i'll look after t6he meeting | 12:32 |
| cliebow | ogra:its working !!!!!!!!! | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | ogra: thank you | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | i really need this feedback | 12:32 |
| cbx33 | to get tcm ready | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | that will make the multiple server control done | 12:34 |
| cbx33 | just need to implement the front end | 12:34 |
| humbolto | I know I need hylafax server (at least to receive faxes). do I need anz additional gnome components in order to be able to send faxes from EVERY app? | 12:35 |
| cbx33 | oh ogra i looked at the printing stuff on ltsp.org it could do with some tweaking.....do we support usb printers over LTSP or just parallel. I know you said serial was a problem no? | 12:36 |
| ogra | there are surely some howtos how to set hylafax up as a cups network printer | 12:36 |
| ogra | so you should only need to add it as a printer to get access from all apps | 12:37 |
| ogra | cbx33, usb and parallel works fine | 12:37 |
| ogra | and sbalneav has code for serial that he couldnbt test yet he said | 12:37 |
| cbx33 | ok | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | when defining in lts.conf | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | I presume [ws001] is the hostname of the workstation? | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | as it doesn't say that anywhere | 12:38 |
| cbx33 | if that is the case, how are hostnames assigned to workstations on ltsp? | 12:39 |
| ogra | we usually work with MAC adresses there | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | ok so [00:00:00:00:00:00] | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | then the printer lconf options? | 12:40 |
| ogra | you have to set up a DNS server or to have a big dhcpd.conf if you use names ... | 12:40 |
| ogra | right | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | right awesome | 12:40 |
| ogra | look at the example lts.conf in the ltsp-client package | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | that's cool | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | I was checking outthe ltsp docs | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | not very clear there | 12:40 |
| ogra | its installed in /usr/share/doc in the client chroot | 12:40 |
| cliebow | ogra: thanks for the help..must have been wonky characters in root-path..cause when i did it over away she went | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | I have to make it watertight clear for the book chapter | 12:41 |
| ogra | cliebow, so all your ppc's run fine now ? | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | ogra: when can i get a spec update? | 12:41 |
| cliebow | i thin..i had an x prolem with one ibook..but mine at homme just worked | 12:41 |
| ogra | a spec update ? | 12:42 |
| humbolto | Uhhh, I did not find one single fax specification on launchpad. Maybe this is my chance to contribute something! | 12:42 |
| cliebow | eadeon driver is good for alkl iboks? | 12:42 |
| ogra | cliebow, yipiie | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | ogra: yes on the progress of specs....you said you were waiting till you had a meeting | 12:42 |
| ogra | mine uses the ati one i think | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | in other words do I have to write about any more stuff for the book? | 12:42 |
| ogra | but the X autodetection should care | 12:42 |
| cliebow | dserves a W))T!\\ | 12:43 |
| cliebow | dserves a W))T! | 12:44 |
| cliebow | ripes..you know | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | or a w00t | 12:44 |
| ogra | cbx33, i can tell you after the meeting ... | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | ogra: awesome | 12:44 |
| cliebow | THANK you | 12:44 |
| ogra | :) | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | copy and paste is your friend ;) | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | ogra: that's awesome....can we set a time? | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | fo ameeting? | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | shall we wait till you have looked at TCM code? | 12:44 |
| ogra | meetiung should end at 13:00 UTC ... so any time after that is fine | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | did you wanna have time to try and test some stuff... | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | we could meet a little later on | 12:45 |
| cliebow | we bought out the ibooks from the laptop initiative so there are like 150 of them | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | 15:00? for 30 mins or so? | 12:45 |
| cbx33 | and then as I sa I have the whole evening to work on TCM today | 12:45 |
| cliebow | i just have to get them to boot from windows dhcp 8~( | 12:48 |
| cliebow | cbx33:when you need a tester I'm game | 12:50 |
| cbx33 | cliebow: cool | 12:50 |
| cliebow | ill need to get up to speed with bzr and such | 12:51 |
| ogra | cbx33, sounds good | 12:52 |
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| ogra | cliebow++ | 12:52 |
| cbx33 | ok 15:00 UTC sharp ;) | 12:54 |
| ogra | ok | 12:54 |
| cbx33 | cliebow: that's easy | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | the windows dhcp booting | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | wnat a howto? | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | search the wiki | 12:56 |
| cbx33 | dhcp windows and you'll have one | 12:57 |
| SiCk | hey everyone | 01:01 |
| SiCk | :) | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | hey SiCk | 01:04 |
| SiCk | i'm still stuck with my kiosk machine :( | 01:14 |
| cliebow | cbx33: i have bondis...netvistas..pxe all running from windows..its the ibooks being little bastuds | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | ahhh | 01:15 |
| cliebow | i started out with alternate dhcp | 01:15 |
| cbx33 | i see | 01:15 |
| cliebow | so my proms are all set up that way | 01:15 |
| cliebow | i had to add option 212 for the netvistas..i originally had option 43 for macs set globally but it seemed to inerfer with printing on the ibooks.. i nee to revisit that | 01:19 |
| cbx33 | sorry cliebow i only know about windows dhcp servers ;) | 01:22 |
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| paolob | Hi guys! I can't find the page that explain how to install edu- on ubuntu. Anyone could help me? thank you! | 02:21 |
| ogra | sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server | 02:21 |
| willvdl | ogra, what is the edubuntu-meta? | 02:22 |
| ogra | andf then follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall | 02:22 |
| ogra | willvdl, the source we build our metapackages from ... | 02:22 |
| ogra | tehy read the seeds and create an empty package with dependencies | 02:22 |
| paolob | ogra, thank you! You're always very kind! | 02:22 |
| cbx33 | willvdl: that t-shirt company still say they have received nothing from Canonical | 02:23 |
| cbx33 | are you able to check? | 02:23 |
| willvdl | hmmm. | 02:23 |
| willvdl | yip, I'll check quick | 02:23 |
| paolob | ogra, I was wondering if in the edububut-desktop package is it worth to put all the graphic application witch on the client are very net-intensive... Using them on the client get the effect to almost freeze the server. Wouldn't it be better to let them as suggested? | 02:26 |
| willvdl | cbx33, it has been sent in for payment last week so the chq should arrive shortly | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | willvdl: | 02:27 |
| cbx33 | thanks | 02:27 |
| willvdl | sweet. liking the TCM btw | 02:27 |
| willvdl | got more screenshots? | 02:27 |
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| cbx33 | heheh | 02:31 |
| cbx33 | don't think there are any :P | 02:32 |
| willvdl | cbx33: http://tinyurl.com/2xxkga | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | nable to link | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | oop linking now | 02:33 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 02:34 |
| cbx33 | i think esp for this school it's too early to tell | 02:34 |
| cbx33 | staff are still getting used to them tbph | 02:34 |
| willvdl | the article is inflammatory | 02:35 |
| willvdl | money wasn't wasted on the technology, it was wasted because they didn't pilot nor train anyone to use it | 02:35 |
| willvdl | We get that here aaall the time :) | 02:36 |
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| cbx33 | indeed | 02:36 |
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| paolob | Where do I specify the keyboard layout for the clients? thank you | 02:49 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:49 |
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| cbx33 | ogra_: good for meeting? | 03:59 |
| ogra_ | yep | 04:00 |
| ogra_ | shoot | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | here or pm? | 04:00 |
| ogra_ | here indeed | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | ok cool | 04:00 |
| cbx33 | so have you tried it now? | 04:00 |
| ogra_ | as long as it's not necessary to keep stuff confident we always should do it here, you know that | 04:01 |
| ogra_ | sorry, no ... to much aside yet unpacking it | 04:01 |
| cbx33 | do you think you could unpack it? | 04:02 |
| paolob | ogra_, I've just reinstalled all the edubuntu server from zero, trying to remove the problem with the client that don't want mount the nfs. But everything is like before the reinstall: The first time I boot the clients, most of them boot up without problem, but if I switch them off and on again almost all have the nfs mount problem and don't boot. Now, till fifteen days ago all was ok, and now I have the problem. Couldn't be some package th | 04:02 |
| paolob | at has changed and a bug has entered? | 04:02 |
| cbx33 | basically I would like you to see how it's working at the moment and then we can discuss it | 04:02 |
| ogra_ | cbx33, ok | 04:02 |
| ogra_ | whats scp-client vs scp-backend ? | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | ah | 04:03 |
| ogra_ | (i dont get the naming scheme, is that from the spec ?) | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | scp-backend is the backend function for the SSH ing | 04:03 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | and scp-client is the client daemon that starts up with the users session | 04:03 |
| cbx33 | you wanted scp-backend to be student-control-pnel didn;'t you | 04:04 |
| ogra_ | probably s/backend/remote | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | that's cool | 04:04 |
| ogra_ | well, the backend should become a python module eventually and get iuntegrated into python-ltsp | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | can you see in the ltcm.py module | 04:04 |
| ogra_ | but that will cover more than only the ssh stuff | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | that's the one that does the cruft of he work | 04:04 |
| cbx33 | backend is merely a gobject.option interface | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | ltcm.py has all the functions and is the main importable module | 04:05 |
| ogra_ | class backend is also a naming scheme we must change | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | where? | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | explain | 04:05 |
| ogra_ | alwso dont forget that if you make it a python module it should include all the documentation in the code | 04:05 |
| ogra_ | so the python builtin help function works | 04:05 |
| cbx33 | ok...i can do that | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | that's not a problem | 04:06 |
| ogra_ | look at python-ltsp | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:06 |
| ogra_ | its very simple | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | yeh yeh I was just going on functionality....sorry | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | i normally document all code well now | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | so... | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | looking at ltcm.py | 04:06 |
| cbx33 | can you see most function calls have a remote=False in the declaration line | 04:06 |
| ogra_ | def register_plugins(self): is a nono | 04:06 |
| ogra_ | make itr a proper module and import it | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | it's only two functions does it really need to be a module? | 04:07 |
| ogra_ | the majoprity of poll_userlist should be in the module | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | it is | 04:07 |
| cbx33 | it's in ltcm.py | 04:07 |
| ogra_ | same for proclist | 04:08 |
| ogra_ | ??? | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | ltcm.py is a module | 04:08 |
| ogra_ | so ltcm should be tzhe module ? | 04:08 |
| ogra_ | ah | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | it IS the module | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | student-control-panel is the real exe | 04:08 |
| ogra_ | wasnt clear from the code, sorry | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | no i know | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | sorry ogra_ | 04:08 |
| cbx33 | next time I'll document better before we meet | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | so... | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | looking at ltcm.py | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | can you see the remote=False in most function decs/ | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | ? | 04:09 |
| cbx33 | basically if that is an ip address, then it executes it as a remote call instaed of a local call | 04:09 |
| ogra_ | dont make it a boolean then ;) | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | and that ip address is set in the TCM front end pacakge | 04:10 |
| ogra_ | either NONE or IP ;) | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | heh | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | sory yeh | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | it used to be a flag | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | your vnc function is a little b0rked | 04:10 |
| cbx33 | and i wasn't quite sure how it worked....also I havn't done any of the password stuff | 04:11 |
| ogra_ | a little ? | 04:11 |
| ogra_ | heh | 04:11 |
| ogra_ | its not even a prototype | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | you said in the spec....that is was a fully working function | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | :p | 04:11 |
| ogra_ | yeah some SCP iterations ago | 04:11 |
| cbx33 | grrr | 04:11 |
| ogra_ | i will look into it ... subprocess should handle it fine | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | anyway I havn't done any of the stuff for like the vnc password for the x11vnc... | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | basically at the mo I'm passing a static password | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | how is the x11vnc gonna be started? | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | i was under the impression it would berunning all the time? | 04:12 |
| cbx33 | only other way I can think of is for TCM to start it via dbus when it loads? | 04:13 |
| ogra_ | we will start it from the ltsp-client initscript | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | right | 04:13 |
| ogra_ | so it will be running all the time | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | so you were saying something about the password changing in the spec | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | ok that's cool | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | how is this gonna work? | 04:13 |
| ogra_ | i have toi test that ... its three releases ago that i wrote that spec | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | oh | 04:13 |
| cbx33 | well x11vnc works fine ;) | 04:14 |
| ogra_ | sorry but i cant goive you much of an answer about that right now without fiddling with it | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | i don't know how you want to handle the passwords....can i leave hat to you? | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | that's fine | 04:14 |
| ogra_ | so | 04:14 |
| cbx33 | basically it just uses a string | 04:14 |
| ogra_ | remove register plugins function from ltcm first and make it a proper module | 04:15 |
| ogra_ | how do you install it fromn the package ? | 04:15 |
| ogra_ | it should use python-central for that | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | install what? | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | oh.... | 04:15 |
| ogra_ | well, the plugins should be registrered | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | i just tweaked our last package | 04:15 |
| cbx33 | oh the plugins nothing has changed since last SCP release | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | they are just simple python scripts with a register function placed ina cetian directory | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | it's still very primative | 04:16 |
| ogra_ | ouch, then i missed that in the last package | 04:16 |
| ogra_ | dont do that please ... | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:16 |
| ogra_ | see python-ltsp | 04:16 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:16 |
| ogra_ | its still very enmpty, so it should be easy to copy from it | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | sorry | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | I didn't know | 04:17 |
| ogra_ | what is thin-client-manager-backend apart from the modules ? | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | nothing | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | i didn;t know if I split it right | 04:17 |
| ogra_ | then call it python-something | 04:17 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:18 |
| ogra_ | to indicate its python modules | 04:18 |
| ogra_ | the split looks ok to me for now | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | now | 04:18 |
| ogra_ | you will only really know it once somebody else used it ;) | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | did you say that that is the setion that should be handled with python-central | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | or is that just the plugins to tcm | 04:18 |
| ogra_ | the python module stuff, yxes | 04:18 |
| cbx33 | right ok | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | I'll get python-ltsp | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | and check that out | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | ok what else | 04:19 |
| ogra_ | users.conf ? | 04:19 |
| ogra_ | does it need to be editable by an admin ? | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | can be | 04:19 |
| ogra_ | (whats the reason to put it to etc ?) | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | but is mainly administered by TCM | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | tre | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | put it in home dir you think? | 04:20 |
| ogra_ | (instead of /usr/share/...) | 04:20 |
| ogra_ | no | 04:20 |
| ogra_ | put it to /usr/share/python-modulename | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | usr/share | 04:20 |
| ogra_ | probably /usr/share/python-modulename/config/ or something such | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | ok...i know you don't like the icons | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | I'll sort those | 04:21 |
| ogra_ | thats trivial | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | anything else | 04:21 |
| cbx33 | what else did i write in the email | 04:21 |
| ogra_ | rfb is licensed properly ? | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | rfb/vnc/crippled_des are from the RedHat guys | 04:22 |
| ogra_ | seems like | 04:22 |
| ogra_ | please mention it in debian/copyright | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | who took it from py2swf? | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | I will of course | 04:22 |
| ogra_ | as well as yopurself | 04:22 |
| ogra_ | and change my entry to "Canonical Ltd." | 04:22 |
| ogra_ | EEEK | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | what have I done now | 04:23 |
| ogra_ | crippled_des.py isnt distributable | 04:23 |
| cbx33 | oh shikes you're kidding | 04:23 |
| ogra_ | please check the licenses carefully | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | that's ok...surely if we use plain text to auth | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | we can drop it | 04:24 |
| ogra_ | # Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software | 04:24 |
| ogra_ | # and its documentation for NON-COMMERCIAL or COMMERCIAL purposes and | 04:24 |
| ogra_ | # without fee is hereby granted, provided that this copyright notice is kept | 04:24 |
| ogra_ | # intact. | 04:24 |
| ogra_ | that will need an archive admin to check over | 04:24 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:25 |
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| ogra_ | the at&t part abopve is more worrying | 04:25 |
| sbalneav | Morning all! | 04:25 |
| ogra_ | if we could drop it that would be very helpful | 04:25 |
| ogra_ | hey sbalneav | 04:25 |
| cbx33 | ogra_: I'll try and test | 04:25 |
| ogra_ | it doesnt talk about rtedistibution at all | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | i wonder how py2swf do it then? | 04:26 |
| cbx33 | anyway...I'll try my best to drop that | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | so.... | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | there is no regression, which I know you were scared about | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | I know I've cocked up a lot | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | but I will fix | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | this is why i wanted to meet with you....to find out all the stupid things I've done | 04:27 |
| cbx33 | and I'm thinking of putting the stuff i nthe package into two dirs | 04:28 |
| cbx33 | backend, server and client | 04:28 |
| cbx33 | three dirs | 04:28 |
| ogra_ | note that i didnt build and run it yet ;) | 04:28 |
| cbx33 | oh btw I just thought the dbus stuff and scp-client should go in backend | 04:29 |
| ogra_ | but if it works for you it should also work here :) | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | I know you didn't | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | it works here | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | but it is still flaky | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | I'm not going to lie to you | 04:29 |
| ogra_ | there was one bug about the userlist being broken, could you check to fix that as well ? | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | my task in the next 3 days is to spruce it up | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | oh? | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | in edgy? | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | i know of one bug | 04:29 |
| cbx33 | but it's trivial to fix | 04:30 |
| ogra_ | somehow all usernames starting with b are swallowed | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | urk | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | I will check that | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | oh yes | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | a few more things to check... | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | teacherturns on remote desktop | 04:30 |
| cbx33 | then runs TCM | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | they then "basically" just use the dbus start program fro client exec routine to run the vncviewer | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | to share their desktop in view only mode right? | 04:31 |
| ogra_ | who is "they" | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | teacher | 04:31 |
| cbx33 | throgh a nice interface...bascially it just starts the vncviewer/or equiv on the client session | 04:32 |
| ogra_ | why would they need dbus to start a loical vncviewer ? | 04:32 |
| cbx33 | this is the sharing one | 04:32 |
| cbx33 | Sharing Teachers Session - There will be the ability to allow students to watch a teachers desktop session. | 04:32 |
| ogra_ | oh, right | 04:33 |
| ogra_ | i didnt know we had kept that for feisty | 04:33 |
| cbx33 | it's in the spec | 04:33 |
| cbx33 | I think i've implemented everything except for the assistance applet | 04:33 |
| ogra_ | well, we had a longish meeting in the beginning where we defined in and out features | 04:33 |
| cbx33 | which was low anyway | 04:33 |
| cbx33 | right....so.... | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | I'm pretty confident I can get most of that done tonight | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | i thought assistance applet and share desktop were off the list | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | the important code stuff anyway | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | ok | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | if its in its in :) | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | i can drop it if you wish? | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | nah | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | assistance applet is on the wiki | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | but I'm canning it for now | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | too much implementation for now | 04:34 |
| ogra_ | as long as a basically working version is in until FF | 04:34 |
| cbx33 | SO! | 04:35 |
| ogra_ | fixing bugs is for after FF | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | if i get that done... | 04:35 |
| ogra_ | as welll as polishing | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | when can you fix up your vnc code and sort out testing for passwords etc | 04:35 |
| ogra_ | this week | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | you're sure? | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | :p | 04:35 |
| ogra_ | i have to hack a lot of ltsp stuff anyway, will do it in that session | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | I'll try and get my stuff out the way ASAP | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | will send you the dsc stuff | 04:35 |
| cbx33 | then you can hack away and send it back to me once you're done | 04:36 |
| ogra_ | there is nothing blocking me, dont rush, you did an awesome job yet | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | then we can have one last meeting hack the end bits up and get it in for FF | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | realy? | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | but imade so many mistakes | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | :( | 04:36 |
| cbx33 | I'll try harder next time | 04:37 |
| cbx33 | was a little pushed this time | 04:37 |
| cbx33 | my last point if you have time... :p | 04:37 |
| cbx33 | this book chapter....when will you be available to have a look at that? Again I want to make sure it's right. Some of the stuff I have had no experience in, and need you to double check | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | that has a deadline for FF too | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | and jono said it would be better to get it in eaarlier than later | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | so I'm pretty much there | 04:38 |
| ogra_ | send it to me ? | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:38 |
| cbx33 | I'll spruce tonight o nthe car journey...check that's ok with the editor and send it to you | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | you'll probably get it tomorrow morning if it's good to go | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | almost 10,000 words of pure Edubuntu ;) | 04:39 |
| cbx33 | the kubuntu chapter is 12,000 so I'm not doing bad ;) | 04:39 |
| ogra_ | nice ! | 04:40 |
| cbx33 | ogra_: I owe you big time | 04:40 |
| cbx33 | I think/hope that that is it | 04:40 |
| ogra_ | well, i can say the same in return :) | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | thank you so much for all your support | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | I know I screw up - but I'll sort it all out don't worry | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | anymore queries I will email you with later | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | trust me | 04:41 |
| ogra_ | ok | 04:41 |
| cbx33 | oh ogra_ specs? | 04:43 |
| cbx33 | which made it? | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | and which do I need to get info from you on | 04:44 |
| cbx33 | for the book? | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | edgy-plusone-thinclient-sound -> output works fine, volume control works so far (needs some more gnome love), mic -> probs i havent solved yet | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | so it will be in | 04:44 |
| ogra_ | ltsp-management-gui -> python-ltsp is ready so far, no gui work done yet ... planning to do that next weekend | 04:45 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:45 |
| ogra_ | student-control-panel-upgrade -> you know it better than me | 04:45 |
| cbx33 | cripes that'll be cutting it fine....I'l talk to my editor about ltsp-management-gui | 04:45 |
| ogra_ | edubuntu-network-auth-server -> will change a bit ... and not be a metapackage but a installer integration for noiw | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | I'm hoping she'll allow me to make changes after the first draft | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | ogra_: ok cool....when will I be able to get testing/screenshots done for that? | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | edubuntu-network-auth-client-> adding pam-ldap and pam-mount to the session should suffice | 04:46 |
| ogra_ | short before UI freeze | 04:46 |
| cbx33 | is that after FF? | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | what date? | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | ltsp-fat-clients-> derpends on edubuntu-network-auth-server we'll at least have a kiosk mode | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | ... see the schedule | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:47 |
| ogra_ | ltsp-persistent-home dropped so far unless sbalneav jumps in | 04:47 |
| cbx33 | what is UI freeze? | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | moodle integration-> rodarvus hasnt sent any packages yet | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | itzs on the schedule | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | can't see UI....at all? | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | sorry for being thick | 04:48 |
| ogra_ | somewhere before the string freeze usually | 04:48 |
| cbx33 | ah ok | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | what does it stand for? | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | UI ? | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | its GUI) with a dropped G | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | :) | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | yeh thought so | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | user interface | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | it's not on there | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | right | 04:49 |
| ogra_ | seems we have none then | 04:49 |
| cbx33 | so a rough time estimate | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | ? | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | well until i'm told i'm not allowed to work on the UI anymore .-.. | 04:51 |
| ogra_ | cnat tell yo8u+ | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | ok | 04:51 |
| cbx33 | I'll tell my editor that | 04:57 |
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| cbx33 | ogra_, one quick question | 06:12 |
| ogra_ | shoot | 06:13 |
| cbx33 | with the socket stuff | 06:13 |
| cbx33 | do i have to keep the connection open with that --continuously thing we talked about earlier? | 06:13 |
| cbx33 | or will ssh -S keep the socket open? | 06:13 |
| ogra_ | the app needs to be run with an endless while loop | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | oh it does? | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | and then seperate calls can be made to the app down the same socket? | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | i see | 06:14 |
| ogra_ | thats why i gave you rthe code for it, yes | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | I have the code for the wocket stuff | 06:14 |
| cbx33 | think you could drop me the code again for the loop you proposed? | 06:15 |
| ogra_ | the socket is only used for the tunnel ... you can start any app you liek through it | 06:15 |
| ogra_ | thart was only a shell exampole | 06:15 |
| ogra_ | while [ 0 ] ; do who; sleep 1; done | 06:15 |
| cbx33 | thanks dude | 06:15 |
| cbx33 | and that will die gracefully when the ssh connection ends? | 06:16 |
| ogra_ | instead of the who command you will indeed need to return the userlist to stdout or some such | 06:16 |
| cbx33 | yes | 06:16 |
| cbx33 | that's fine | 06:16 |
| ogra_ | you could make it listen to stdin for a certain key to make sure the app finishes first | 06:16 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:17 |
| ogra_ | but it should as well die with the ssh conn | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | I'll do what I can | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | starting work....now! | 06:17 |
| ogra_ | great | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | have emailed my editor about the book too | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | hoping to get an answer soon | 06:17 |
| cbx33 | I'm not sure if we can remove the crippled_des | 06:19 |
| cbx33 | it seems it's integrated quite tightly into the auth process | 06:20 |
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| ogra_ | we cant ship it | 06:22 |
| cbx33 | crap | 06:22 |
| cbx33 | ip filtering? | 06:22 |
| ogra_ | show it to someone from the ubuntu-archive team please | 06:22 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:22 |
| ogra_ | they should be4 able to make a better judgement on license stuff than me | 06:23 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:28 |
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| ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/feisty-serveraddon-i386.iso yay | 06:33 |
| cbx33 | oooh | 06:33 |
| cbx33 | so 2CD spec is done? | 06:34 |
| cbx33 | you didn't mention that one ;P | 06:34 |
| ogra_ | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ looks nice as well | 06:34 |
| ogra_ | sorry, to many meetings today ... i metioned it in one ... just not in the one with you | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 06:36 |
| ogra_ | its not done yet | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | :p | 06:36 |
| ogra_ | the update-manager side is still missing | 06:36 |
| ogra_ | but we can build them :) | 06:36 |
| cbx33 | colin concurs.....we can't ship it as is | 06:36 |
| ogra_ | do you PM ? | 06:37 |
| cbx33 | yes | 06:37 |
| ogra_ | try to do such stuff in the channel ... then others can see it as well | 06:37 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:37 |
| ogra_ | but thats what i expected | 06:38 |
| cliebow_ | ogra: have any feel for arp reolution for netbbot? | 06:40 |
| ogra_ | arp resolution ? in what way ? | 06:41 |
| cliebow_ | that is what seems missing to get the ibooks to boot from win dhcp.. | 06:42 |
| highvoltage | hie hie | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | I had to installe IE on linux for a client | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | and one of the lines it shows during installation is: | 06:43 |
| highvoltage | Installing RICHED20 | 06:43 |
| cliebow_ | highvoltage: heh | 06:43 |
| ogra_ | cliebow, arp resolution should already happen ... (how else would ethernet work) but i'm happy about patches :) | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | oh ogra....btw the call to the backend over ssh | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | will be a subprocess.... | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | you were saying about having a seperate scp-user on each machine | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | right? | 06:44 |
| cliebow_ | ogra_:of course from linux it works awesome | 06:44 |
| cbx33 | would student-control-panel be running as root then, or as scp-user? | 06:45 |
| ogra_ | cbx33, exactly | 06:45 |
| ogra_ | run everything you can as scp-user ... | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:45 |
| ogra_ | <- afk | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | I'm thinking of the calls... | 06:45 |
| cbx33 | ok | 06:45 |
| Burgwork | with an scp-user, that would mean you could control thin clients or fat clients with one tool, no? | 06:53 |
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| highvoltage | 2007-01-29 kamion: serveraddon CD now being created in daily builds. Not | 07:01 |
| highvoltage | much specific content yet, and we still need to add the gnome-app- | 07:01 |
| highvoltage | install hooks. | 07:01 |
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| LaserJock | highvoltage: just saw that in my email | 07:05 |
| Burgwork | hey highvoltage | 07:05 |
| highvoltage | lhey LaserJock and Burgwork | 07:06 |
| highvoltage | s/lhey/hey :) | 07:06 |
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| cbx33 | ogra_, you have to go ahead to look at the chapter ;) | 07:54 |
| cbx33 | I'll give a quick pass later and send you what I have | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | it is not 100% complete, nor has it been properly checked by me yet | 07:56 |
| cbx33 | it is not 100% complete, nor has it been properly checked by me yet | 07:57 |
| cbx33 | whoops sorry | 07:57 |
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| cbx33 | hey LaserJock | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | hi Pete | 08:20 |
| cbx33 | howz it going| | 08:21 |
| cbx33 | ogra having trouble with the groups over ssh | 08:22 |
| cbx33 | will get it though don't worry | 08:22 |
| willvdl | eish I'm tired | 08:30 |
| willvdl | eyes have gone square proofing screencasts, clips, videos etc for multimedia endless loop | 08:30 |
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| herc | anyone using edubuntu as a ltsp | 08:41 |
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| herc | anyone talking | 08:45 |
| Burgwork | herc: what is your issue? | 08:46 |
| herc | anyone using edubuntu for ltsp | 08:46 |
| willvdl | herc, I think most of the edubuntu community use it in a thin-client environement | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | willvdl: I have never, ever, actually installed Edubuntu or LTSP | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | despite hanging out in this channel for over a year | 08:48 |
| herc | kk | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | herc: best to simply ask your question, rather than asking if anybody knows LTSP | 08:48 |
| willvdl | Burgwork, good thing I said most :) | 08:49 |
| Burgwork | heh | 08:49 |
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| willvdl | yes? There at the back? | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | I've at least done Edubuntu workstation installs | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | but no LTSP | 08:50 |
| willvdl | Argh! That makes three of us! | 08:51 |
| willvdl | what's LTSP? | 08:51 |
| LaserJock | geeze, must be all the really knowledgable people are busy playing with their thin clients | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | like, as in what does the acronym stand for? | 08:52 |
| herc | lol | 08:52 |
| Burgwork | laughing, terrifyingly smart people? | 08:52 |
| Burgwork | that must be it | 08:52 |
| willvdl | LaserJock, it's late and my humour fades when I'm tired | 08:52 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered | 08:53 |
| herc | i have a ltsp set up using thin clients for the high school but would like to set one up using edubuntu for the elementary | 08:53 |
| willvdl | Look at the Time i Should P*#$ off ? | 08:53 |
| LaserJock | lol | 08:53 |
| willvdl | herc, cool. Have you tried it yet? | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | hopefully sbalneav isn't watching this right now | 08:54 |
| herc | no just installed it on a mac and now going to install on a server to see how they work together | 08:54 |
| willvdl | got thin-clients? | 08:56 |
| willvdl | OK, 21:56 SAST and it's time to go home. They will be worried. | 08:57 |
| cbx33 | phew ogra_ looks like remote stuff is basically done | 09:04 |
| cbx33 | reading and writing to config file was the worst | 09:04 |
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| cbx33 | ogra_, do you have a sec? | 09:22 |
| cbx33 | ahh..nevermind | 09:22 |
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| Shaolin1 | hi guys | 09:36 |
| Shaolin1 | need some help | 09:36 |
| Shaolin1 | how can I load a linux OS in a windows OS | 09:38 |
| Shaolin1 | I've seen it before | 09:38 |
| Shaolin1 | dont know how to do it tho | 09:38 |
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| herc | use a program like vmware | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | ogra_, how is the copyright holder of tcm? | 09:46 |
| cbx33 | who | 09:46 |
| Shaolin1 | ok - is vmware free ? | 09:54 |
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| LaserJock | Shaolin1: yes | 09:59 |
| Burgwork | Shaolin1: in the beer sense, yes | 10:08 |
| Burgwork | cbx33: the copyright holder is you, or ogra_ | 10:08 |
| Shaolin1 | I dont drink :P | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | Shaolin1: I have that problem too | 10:09 |
| Shaolin1 | lol | 10:09 |
| Shaolin1 | ok | 10:09 |
| Shaolin1 | I downloaded vmware player | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | I took me a long time to figure out what free as in beer meant | 10:09 |
| Shaolin1 | now how do I configure it ? | 10:09 |
| Shaolin1 | ah lol | 10:10 |
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