=== freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.1.191] has joined #edubuntu === caravena [n=caravena@11-65-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [i=5003a006@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-211b919291538453] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [01:41] !seen ogra [01:41] I last saw ogra (n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra) 2d 6h 57m 29s ago, quiting: Connection timed out === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@159-92-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === nothlit [n=nothlit@pcd551097.netvigator.com] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.57.114] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.57.114] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-2 is now known as RichEd [07:48] morning === n2diy [n=darryl@66.212.43.252] has joined #edubuntu [07:55] hi RichEd [07:55] hey LaserJock ... doing okay ? === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:18] RichEd: oh, really busy lately, but yeah [08:18] wheres that list of extra things edubuntu comes with [08:23] nothlit: extra as in? [08:23] stuff that's not on Ubuntu? [08:23] yeah [08:24] or a differential list [08:24] someone gave it to me before here [08:24] hmm, well the seeds are probably the best to look if you are looking at packages [08:25] i remember it was a nicely formatted english page rather than a package list [08:26] you don't have to find it, i was just wondering if anybody knew it offhand [08:26] hmm === n2diy_ [n=darryl@66.212.42.114] has joined #edubuntu [08:26] http://www.edubuntu.org/UsingEdubuntu is pretty good too [08:27] ah, that's the page I was just going to give you [08:27] that's not it? [08:27] no [08:27] i think i found it on the wiki though [08:27] hmm nm [08:27] its ok, no biggie [08:29] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications is pretty good too === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:30] nothlit: although not accurate === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@caffeine.mel.cc.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-c96dcc132f4abece] has joined #edubuntu [09:45] morning Pete [09:46] Morning Pete and Jordan [09:46] highvoltage: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'Thanks, I'll send you the source if you're interested. Still in development ;)' 17 hours, 23 minutes and 5 seconds ago (on Sun Jan 28 17:23:50 2007) [09:46] edubuntugirl: botsnack [09:46] thanks, highvoltage [09:46] heheh hi highvoltage [09:47] hi highvoltage [09:47] anyone else having problems accessing lists.ubuntu.com? === SiCk [i=wakeupha@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust190.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === SiCk [i=wakeupha@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust190.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === n2diy_ is now known as n2diy === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-241-112-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["~>] === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-241-112-96.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === humbolto [n=elias@213-147-185-150.ADSL.ycn.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:02] what is the best solution to get FAX support in ubuntu/edubuntu? faxing from each terminal, receiving fax in folders or via email, sending fax via email, ...? [12:02] is hylafax the standard? [12:02] or is this going to be replaced by asterisk sooner or later? [12:06] humbolto: I think asterisk offers some hylafax integration, but afaik asterisk isn't planning on creating it's own fax server software [12:07] humbolto: other than that, I'm afraid I can't really answer your questions, for help on hylafax, you're likely to get the best answers from #ubuntu [12:07] humbolto: or even the ubuntu-users mailing lists === humbolto [n=elias@213-147-185-150.ADSL.ycn.com] has left #edubuntu [] === humbolto [n=elias@213-147-185-150.ADSL.ycn.com] has joined #edubuntu [12:08] closed the chat window by accident. did I get a response already? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:10] hi ogra ... [12:10] did lask week finish well at the sprint ? [12:11] apart from me catching a horrible cold, yes ... [12:11] ogra: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'Hi dude, sent you email with source, will hopefully be available after 5 UTC, please SMS me ;)' 19 hours, 47 minutes and 42 seconds ago (on Sun Jan 28 17:24:26 2007) [12:12] hi ogra: my p133 thin clients are still a little slow even with 128mb ram. but mostly this concernes the logon procedure. the rest (except for video) is usable. the rest of my clients work like a charm!!! [12:12] ogra: hope you're okay ... lots of people picking up body bugs :( [12:12] cbx33, sorry for yesterday, i had to stay in bed ... do you have time today ? [12:13] RichEd, its ok ... i'm through the worst i think [12:13] ogra: hey dude [12:13] good [12:13] humbolto, hey, great to hear ! [12:14] ogra: it's ok..... [12:14] did you get my mail [12:14] i agree that ldm needs some speedups, got that on my list for feisty<+1 [12:14] -< [12:14] ogra: the p133 client is only running some monitoring app anyway. [12:14] cbx33, yep, just waeding through 900 mails here, i saw yours [12:14] heh, ithink i sent several ;) [12:15] even left you my mobile number ;) [12:15] haha [12:15] i saw two ... [12:15] yeh that sounds about right [12:15] so when were you thinking today? [12:15] ogra: as I said before, you guys are right at the beat of your users hearts! [12:15] tbh you may need to take a look at the code before we chat [12:15] see what I've done [12:15] etc [12:15] cbx33, i have a meeting at 12:00 UTC [12:16] that should last 1h i think [12:16] I love this project! [12:16] humbolto: heh [12:16] so do we [12:16] :) [12:16] ogra: I'm booked up till the 1st to work on TCM [12:17] things like the student-control-panel are just so much what the users NEEED! [12:17] so take your time, try it out....and give me some real BAM BAM BAM this is what I need [12:17] hehe humbolto we're just talking about that [12:17] You guys are reading minds! [12:17] it's called TCM now [12:17] ThinClientManager? [12:17] indeed [12:18] cbx33,your ssh questiojn: while [ 0 ] ; do who; sleep 1; done [12:18] woh woh woh :p [12:18] implement something like that into the backend ... [12:18] well it's already a gobject timer [12:18] i.e. --remote-userlist [12:18] i can just change the frequency [12:18] so the backend constantly throws out the userlist [12:19] are you looking at the code? [12:19] then just connect the frontend permanently through the ssh tunnel [12:19] nope, i'm still busy with my mail [12:19] ah ok [12:19] I have one question concerning the general edubuntu environment: What is the standard for FAX services in edubuntu? [12:19] but that thing above is what came to my mind when i read your question [12:19] so is the frontend running on the server or the remote machine through ssh -x? [12:19] or similar? [12:19] keep the connection open ... [12:20] ahhh i see [12:20] the frontend runs on the client machine [12:20] it execs: ssh -X scpuser@server scp-backend --constantly [12:20] ok.....when you take a look at that, perhaps you could help advise me on it ;) [12:20] yes i see now [12:20] or something like thet [12:20] *that [12:21] if you need more functions and want to fork off a second backend proicess that should work fine through the same tunnel through a socket [12:22] I'm sure it would if I knew how to do it [12:22] ;) [12:22] remember I'm still a n00b at some of this [12:24] ssh -X -S /tmp/.my-totally-cool-socket scpuser@server scp-backend --constantly [12:24] ping: ogra, rodarvus, willvdl - are we all available for our chat in 35 mins [12:25] sure [12:25] how do i then reference the socket in python? [12:25] cbx33, now every command you use like: ssh -S /tmp/.my-totally-cool-socket server will be execute3d through the socketz [12:25] ahh i see [12:25] dude you are a legend [12:26] the things you teach me [12:26] not sure if there is qa direct python function, i must admit i never looked [12:26] not needed if it works like you say there [12:26] ;) [12:26] but you can use a pipe from the subprocess modules [12:26] *module [12:26] to get teh stdout [12:26] ? [12:26] yes [12:26] well, a direct function is always preferred [12:27] yeah [12:27] of course [12:27] RichEd, sure i am ... [12:27] thankx ... that makes 2/4 and counting ... willvdl & rodarvus ?? [12:28] willvdl answered above [12:29] ogra: thanks for that [12:29] thanks ... didn't see that ... === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu [12:31] ogra: if you cuold possibly take a look at TCM sometime today and give me feedback by tonight [12:31] I have time to work on it tonight [12:31] i don't want to waste it [12:32] yep [12:32] i'll look after t6he meeting [12:32] ogra:its working !!!!!!!!! [12:32] ogra: thank you [12:32] i really need this feedback [12:34] to get tcm ready [12:34] that will make the multiple server control done [12:34] just need to implement the front end [12:35] I know I need hylafax server (at least to receive faxes). do I need anz additional gnome components in order to be able to send faxes from EVERY app? [12:36] oh ogra i looked at the printing stuff on ltsp.org it could do with some tweaking.....do we support usb printers over LTSP or just parallel. I know you said serial was a problem no? [12:36] there are surely some howtos how to set hylafax up as a cups network printer [12:37] so you should only need to add it as a printer to get access from all apps [12:37] cbx33, usb and parallel works fine [12:37] and sbalneav has code for serial that he couldnbt test yet he said [12:38] ok [12:38] when defining in lts.conf [12:38] I presume [ws001] is the hostname of the workstation? [12:38] as it doesn't say that anywhere [12:39] if that is the case, how are hostnames assigned to workstations on ltsp? [12:39] we usually work with MAC adresses there [12:39] ok so [00:00:00:00:00:00] [12:40] then the printer lconf options? [12:40] you have to set up a DNS server or to have a big dhcpd.conf if you use names ... [12:40] right [12:40] right awesome [12:40] look at the example lts.conf in the ltsp-client package [12:40] that's cool [12:40] I was checking outthe ltsp docs [12:40] not very clear there [12:40] its installed in /usr/share/doc in the client chroot [12:40] ogra: thanks for the help..must have been wonky characters in root-path..cause when i did it over away she went [12:41] I have to make it watertight clear for the book chapter [12:41] cliebow, so all your ppc's run fine now ? [12:41] ogra: when can i get a spec update? [12:41] i thin..i had an x prolem with one ibook..but mine at homme just worked [12:42] a spec update ? [12:42] Uhhh, I did not find one single fax specification on launchpad. Maybe this is my chance to contribute something! [12:42] eadeon driver is good for alkl iboks? [12:42] cliebow, yipiie [12:42] ogra: yes on the progress of specs....you said you were waiting till you had a meeting [12:42] mine uses the ati one i think [12:42] in other words do I have to write about any more stuff for the book? [12:42] but the X autodetection should care [12:43] dserves a W))T!\\ [12:44] dserves a W))T! [12:44] ripes..you know [12:44] or a w00t [12:44] cbx33, i can tell you after the meeting ... [12:44] ogra: awesome [12:44] THANK you [12:44] :) [12:44] copy and paste is your friend ;) [12:44] ogra: that's awesome....can we set a time? [12:44] fo ameeting? [12:44] shall we wait till you have looked at TCM code? [12:45] meetiung should end at 13:00 UTC ... so any time after that is fine [12:45] did you wanna have time to try and test some stuff... [12:45] we could meet a little later on [12:45] we bought out the ibooks from the laptop initiative so there are like 150 of them [12:45] 15:00? for 30 mins or so? [12:45] and then as I sa I have the whole evening to work on TCM today [12:48] i just have to get them to boot from windows dhcp 8~( [12:50] cbx33:when you need a tester I'm game [12:50] cliebow: cool [12:51] ill need to get up to speed with bzr and such [12:52] cbx33, sounds good === pirast [n=martin@p508B2779.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu [12:52] cliebow++ [12:54] ok 15:00 UTC sharp ;) [12:54] ok [12:56] cliebow: that's easy [12:56] the windows dhcp booting [12:56] wnat a howto? [12:56] search the wiki [12:57] dhcp windows and you'll have one [01:01] hey everyone [01:01] :) [01:04] hey SiCk [01:14] i'm still stuck with my kiosk machine :( [01:15] cbx33: i have bondis...netvistas..pxe all running from windows..its the ibooks being little bastuds [01:15] ahhh [01:15] i started out with alternate dhcp [01:15] i see [01:15] so my proms are all set up that way [01:19] i had to add option 212 for the netvistas..i originally had option 43 for macs set globally but it seemed to inerfer with printing on the ibooks.. i nee to revisit that [01:22] sorry cliebow i only know about windows dhcp servers ;) === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=paolob@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [02:21] Hi guys! I can't find the page that explain how to install edu- on ubuntu. Anyone could help me? thank you! [02:21] sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop edubuntu-server [02:22] ogra, what is the edubuntu-meta? [02:22] andf then follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall [02:22] willvdl, the source we build our metapackages from ... [02:22] tehy read the seeds and create an empty package with dependencies [02:22] ogra, thank you! You're always very kind! [02:23] willvdl: that t-shirt company still say they have received nothing from Canonical [02:23] are you able to check? [02:23] hmmm. [02:23] yip, I'll check quick [02:26] ogra, I was wondering if in the edububut-desktop package is it worth to put all the graphic application witch on the client are very net-intensive... Using them on the client get the effect to almost freeze the server. Wouldn't it be better to let them as suggested? [02:27] cbx33, it has been sent in for payment last week so the chq should arrive shortly [02:27] ok cool [02:27] willvdl: [02:27] thanks [02:27] sweet. liking the TCM btw [02:27] got more screenshots? === willvdl checks the blog [02:31] heheh [02:32] don't think there are any :P [02:33] cbx33: http://tinyurl.com/2xxkga [02:33] nable to link [02:33] oop linking now [02:34] heheh [02:34] i think esp for this school it's too early to tell [02:34] staff are still getting used to them tbph [02:35] the article is inflammatory [02:35] money wasn't wasted on the technology, it was wasted because they didn't pilot nor train anyone to use it [02:36] We get that here aaall the time :) === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu [02:36] indeed === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:49] Where do I specify the keyboard layout for the clients? thank you === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-241-2-159.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === nothlit_ [n=nothlit@n219077183198.netvigator.com] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=paolob@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [03:49] Heya === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE488.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === paolob [n=donPaolo@pri-214-b7.codetel.net.do] has joined #edubuntu [03:59] ogra_: good for meeting? [04:00] yep [04:00] shoot [04:00] ok cool [04:00] here or pm? [04:00] here indeed [04:00] ok cool [04:00] so have you tried it now? [04:01] as long as it's not necessary to keep stuff confident we always should do it here, you know that [04:01] sorry, no ... to much aside yet unpacking it [04:02] do you think you could unpack it? [04:02] ogra_, I've just reinstalled all the edubuntu server from zero, trying to remove the problem with the client that don't want mount the nfs. But everything is like before the reinstall: The first time I boot the clients, most of them boot up without problem, but if I switch them off and on again almost all have the nfs mount problem and don't boot. Now, till fifteen days ago all was ok, and now I have the problem. Couldn't be some package th [04:02] at has changed and a bug has entered? [04:02] basically I would like you to see how it's working at the moment and then we can discuss it [04:02] cbx33, ok [04:03] whats scp-client vs scp-backend ? [04:03] ah [04:03] (i dont get the naming scheme, is that from the spec ?) [04:03] scp-backend is the backend function for the SSH ing [04:03] hmm [04:03] and scp-client is the client daemon that starts up with the users session [04:04] you wanted scp-backend to be student-control-pnel didn;'t you [04:04] probably s/backend/remote [04:04] ok [04:04] that's cool [04:04] well, the backend should become a python module eventually and get iuntegrated into python-ltsp [04:04] can you see in the ltcm.py module [04:04] but that will cover more than only the ssh stuff [04:04] that's the one that does the cruft of he work [04:05] backend is merely a gobject.option interface [04:05] ltcm.py has all the functions and is the main importable module [04:05] class backend is also a naming scheme we must change [04:05] where? [04:05] explain [04:05] alwso dont forget that if you make it a python module it should include all the documentation in the code [04:05] so the python builtin help function works [04:06] ok...i can do that [04:06] that's not a problem [04:06] look at python-ltsp [04:06] ok [04:06] its very simple [04:06] yeh yeh I was just going on functionality....sorry [04:06] i normally document all code well now [04:06] so... [04:06] looking at ltcm.py [04:06] can you see most function calls have a remote=False in the declaration line [04:06] def register_plugins(self): is a nono [04:07] make itr a proper module and import it [04:07] it's only two functions does it really need to be a module? [04:07] the majoprity of poll_userlist should be in the module [04:07] it is [04:07] it's in ltcm.py [04:08] same for proclist [04:08] ??? [04:08] ltcm.py is a module [04:08] so ltcm should be tzhe module ? [04:08] ah [04:08] it IS the module [04:08] student-control-panel is the real exe [04:08] wasnt clear from the code, sorry [04:08] no i know [04:08] sorry ogra_ [04:09] next time I'll document better before we meet [04:09] so... [04:09] looking at ltcm.py [04:09] can you see the remote=False in most function decs/ [04:09] ? [04:09] basically if that is an ip address, then it executes it as a remote call instaed of a local call [04:10] dont make it a boolean then ;) [04:10] and that ip address is set in the TCM front end pacakge [04:10] either NONE or IP ;) [04:10] heh [04:10] sory yeh [04:10] it used to be a flag [04:10] your vnc function is a little b0rked [04:11] and i wasn't quite sure how it worked....also I havn't done any of the password stuff [04:11] a little ? [04:11] heh [04:11] its not even a prototype [04:11] you said in the spec....that is was a fully working function [04:11] :p [04:11] yeah some SCP iterations ago [04:11] grrr [04:12] i will look into it ... subprocess should handle it fine [04:12] anyway I havn't done any of the stuff for like the vnc password for the x11vnc... [04:12] basically at the mo I'm passing a static password [04:12] how is the x11vnc gonna be started? [04:12] i was under the impression it would berunning all the time? [04:13] only other way I can think of is for TCM to start it via dbus when it loads? [04:13] we will start it from the ltsp-client initscript [04:13] right [04:13] so it will be running all the time [04:13] so you were saying something about the password changing in the spec [04:13] ok that's cool [04:13] how is this gonna work? [04:13] i have toi test that ... its three releases ago that i wrote that spec [04:13] oh [04:14] well x11vnc works fine ;) [04:14] sorry but i cant goive you much of an answer about that right now without fiddling with it [04:14] i don't know how you want to handle the passwords....can i leave hat to you? [04:14] that's fine [04:14] so [04:14] basically it just uses a string [04:15] remove register plugins function from ltcm first and make it a proper module [04:15] how do you install it fromn the package ? [04:15] it should use python-central for that [04:15] install what? [04:15] oh.... [04:15] well, the plugins should be registrered [04:15] i just tweaked our last package [04:16] oh the plugins nothing has changed since last SCP release [04:16] they are just simple python scripts with a register function placed ina cetian directory [04:16] it's still very primative [04:16] ouch, then i missed that in the last package [04:16] dont do that please ... [04:16] ok [04:16] see python-ltsp [04:16] ok [04:17] its still very enmpty, so it should be easy to copy from it [04:17] ok [04:17] sorry [04:17] I didn't know [04:17] what is thin-client-manager-backend apart from the modules ? [04:17] nothing [04:17] i didn;t know if I split it right [04:17] then call it python-something [04:18] ok [04:18] to indicate its python modules [04:18] the split looks ok to me for now [04:18] ok [04:18] now [04:18] you will only really know it once somebody else used it ;) [04:18] did you say that that is the setion that should be handled with python-central [04:18] or is that just the plugins to tcm [04:18] the python module stuff, yxes [04:19] right ok [04:19] I'll get python-ltsp [04:19] and check that out [04:19] ok what else [04:19] users.conf ? [04:19] does it need to be editable by an admin ? [04:19] can be [04:19] (whats the reason to put it to etc ?) [04:20] but is mainly administered by TCM [04:20] tre [04:20] put it in home dir you think? [04:20] (instead of /usr/share/...) [04:20]