[12:55] <Riddell> at last!  a photo of toma
[12:55] <toma> o noes
[12:56] <toma> i need to delete that
[12:56] <toma> where is it?
[12:56] <Riddell> published to the entire world on the dot
[12:56] <toma> omg
[12:57] <toma> and that photo is not a nice one
[12:57] <Riddell> sure it is
[12:58] <toma> Riddell: i like this one more: http://people.fruitsalad.org/adridg/bobulate/uploads/Photos/group-a.jpg
[12:59] <Riddell> that's not the whole group
[12:59] <manchicken> Hmm... I may have to hit up mornfall to see if he knows how to get changelog data....
[12:59] <toma> true
[12:59] <toma> but we were talking about me ;-)
[01:00] <Riddell> :)
[01:00] <Jucato> manchicken: synaptic and kpackage both show changelog data, but seem to go about it differently
[01:00] <manchicken> Riddell: I forgot to arrogantly plug my wiki page to you earlier.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeStemleJr
[01:01] <manchicken> ;)
[01:06] <Riddell> manchicken: looks groovy, but the attachment thing doesn't work
[01:07] <manchicken> Attachment?
[01:07] <Riddell> "Upload new attachment "chicago.png"
[01:07] <manchicken> Ah
[01:07] <manchicken> heh
[01:09] <manchicken> I totally jocked nixternal's thing.
[01:09] <Zerlinna> night everybody
[01:41] <Jucato> manchicken: have you seen synaptic's and kpackage's implementation of the changelog thing?
[01:41] <manchicken> Naw.
[01:41] <manchicken> I know how I'm going to do it though.
[01:42] <manchicken> Riddell says I'll have to open things up from changelog.ubuntu.com
[01:43] <Jucato> ah, that's how synaptic does it. which is good, I guess, if you have an active internet connection
[01:44] <Jucato> kpackage reads from the changelog that is installed with the package, so you can view it offline. disadvantage: it only works for installed packages
[01:47] <Riddell> mm, that kindae defeats the purpose
[01:49] <manchicken> Yeah... that is kind backwards.
[01:49] <manchicken> I want to know what the changelog is BEFORE I upgrade.
[01:50] <manchicken> ALSA in particular has bit me in the ass with upgrades, so I'd like to know what the benefit is and if it's worth the risk.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> manchicken: changelogs.ubuntu.com/pool/
[01:51] <manchicken> Yeah, I'm implementing a changelog viewer for adept.
[01:51] <Jucato> true
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[01:51] <Jucato> but just a question/suggestion, if it's possible at all...
[01:51] <manchicken> Maybe I'll be able to get QHttp to work in C++.  It never worked in Qt/Perl.
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato!
[01:52] <manchicken> Hobbsee: BTW, HIYA!!!!!!!!!
[01:52] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hey manchicken!!!
[01:52] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I was told to bug you about details on the next meeting.
[01:53] <Jucato> manchicken: is it possible, for example, to make Adept dowload/view the changelog from changelog.ubuntu.com if an update for it is available or if the package isn't installed, but make it just view the installed changelog if there's no update for it and the package is already installed?
[01:54] <manchicken> Jucato: Dunno.  I suspect it would be possible.  Right now I'm focusing on functionality specifically with adept_updater.
[01:54] <manchicken> So at first we'll only be dealing in packages with updates.
[01:55] <Jucato> next meeting? when would that be?
[01:55] <Jucato> manchicken: fair enough. :)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ah, yes.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yes, i have my roster now
[01:56] <Jucato> manchicken: you're gonna make Adept really adept at being a package manager.
[01:56] <manchicken> Jucato: That is the goal.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> manchicken: are there any days you cant do?
[01:56] <gnomefreak> rooster or roster like in names
[01:57] <gnomefreak> not even sure that is spelled right  :(
[01:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: roster.  times to go to work.
[01:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:57] <manchicken> Hobbsee: This Friday, and from 2/14-2/18.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i thought you were a native english speaker
[01:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: okay
[01:58] <gnomefreak> i am sort of
[01:58] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: where are you from?
[01:58] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm gonna be a quarter a week from Thursday.
[01:58] <gnomefreak> i failed english
[01:58] <manchicken> ^_^
[01:58] <gnomefreak> US
[01:58] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:58] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Well I suppose you're going to have to learn French then.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: how will you be a quarter?
[01:58] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Quarter of a century.
[01:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: ahhh :)
[01:58] <NeoChaosX> hey Jucato
[01:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: happy birthday then, old man :P
[01:59] <manchicken> I know.  Just call me grandpa.
[01:59] <gnomefreak> happy birthday youngin
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: eep
[01:59] <gnomefreak> Jucato: tuesday right?
[01:59] <Jucato> NeoChaosX: hi
[01:59] <NeoChaosX> Jucato: did you communicate the Krita gif support problem to whoever packages Koffice?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i wont be there.
[02:00] <Jucato> Hobbsee: heh you know me... I still go to meetings even at those ungodly hours :0
[02:00] <Jucato> :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: hehe
[02:00] <Jucato> NeoChaosX: I mentioned the Krita bug, although it seems to have been confirmed by some people, I still haven't gotten a sort of "official" word from the packagers.
[02:01] <NeoChaosX> hm, I see
[02:01] <Jucato> gnomefreak: yeah tuesday... that'd make it a wednesday here... so not yet tomorrow after all lol
[02:02] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:02] <gnomefreak> whos working on koffice? tonio?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i thought
[02:02] <Riddell> I package it
[02:02] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell!  dont you sleep?
[02:02] <Riddell> but I've not looked into Jucato's bug
[02:02] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:03] <gnomefreak> its the same on feisty (i dont think i added my comments to bug)
[02:03] <Riddell> I should sleep I suppose
[02:04] <Riddell> yes
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you could, yes.  sleep is overated though
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does a thurs night meeting work for you?
[02:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not this thursday
[02:04] <Riddell> but other thursday would be fine
[02:04] <Hobbsee> right
[02:05] <Hobbsee> argh.  TB is on when i would have put our meeting.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: why was that?
[02:05] <gnomefreak> going on 3 days worth of crap trying to get suse 10.2 iso's
[02:06] <manchicken> I used to use SuSE, too.  zen has the nasty habit of updating drivers without letting you know about it.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would be your opinion on pullling Sime's patches from kde, (the media:/ to /media), seeing as they break various things?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> slow net connection failded upgrades from 10.0 beta
[02:06] <manchicken> And then the Microsoft deal thingy kinda kicked me in the ethics.
[02:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: probably a good meeting item
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true.  that's what it was planned for
[02:07] <Hobbsee> right, if we're having a meeting this week, you guys are going to be having it in the afternoon or something
[02:07] <Hobbsee> er wait, no, around midnight
[02:08] <Hobbsee> or lunch/afternoon
[02:08] <Riddell> midnight probably more popular
[02:08] <Hobbsee> yes....
[02:09] <manchicken> 2300UTC is a good time ^_^
[02:09] <gnomefreak> date --UTC
[02:09] <gnomefreak> or 1 - cant remmeber
[02:09] <Hobbsee> right.  2300 UTC wednesday is looking good.
[02:09] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you'll be awake by then? :)
[02:10] <manchicken> Ooh.  Wednesday is payday, too.
[02:10] <ajmitch> Jucato: yep
[02:10] <Jucato> :)
[02:10] <ajmitch> well, for some part of AU
[02:11] <Jucato> ah yes... for Hobbsee's world I mean
[02:11] <Jucato> s/world/part :P
[02:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[02:12] <ajmitch> so cruel..
[02:12] <Hobbsee> yes.
[02:15] <manchicken> Hobbsee: So is 1/31 @ 2300UTC the date and time then?
[02:15] <manchicken> I'm gonna work from home to make the meeting.
[02:16] <Riddell> anyone fancy e-mailing the people who have signed up to kubuntu-meeting asking for them to come along?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: signed up to kubuntu-meeting?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh, is that a ML or something?
[02:19] <Riddell> s/kubuntu-meeting/kubuntu-members
[02:19] <Riddell> and kubuntu-team
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they have a mailing list?
[02:19] <Riddell> no, they don't
[02:20] <Hobbsee> and subscribe them to it
[02:20] <Riddell> but there's lots of people who have tried to sign up to kubuntu-members, and it would be good to e-mail them each and tell them they need to come along to the meeting
[02:20] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[02:20] <manchicken> Where do I find those mailing lists?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> it's on my todo list, it just hasnt been done yet
[02:20] <Hobbsee> has anyone else found that basket is really great for todo's?
[02:20] <Riddell> manchicken: you don't!  they don't exist except in Hobbsee's imagination
[02:20] <manchicken> Ah.
[02:20] <Jucato> lol
[02:20] <manchicken> Nice.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[02:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken: lists.ubuntu.com
[02:21] <manchicken> Okay, so is that a yes on the date and time... thanks.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> oh yes, i see
[02:29] <gnomefreak> whats the deal with gnomefreak@FeistyFawn:~$ kbuildsycoca running...
[02:30] <gnomefreak> no im not running it outside of if it runs on its own
[02:30] <gnomefreak> but for some reason it keeps doing that too me
[02:31] <jdong_> oh yeah, congrats, KDE folks :)
[02:31] <jdong_> (on your dist-upgrade frontend, that is)
[02:31] <jdong_> now, if only we had a CLI or ncurses one :)
[02:31] <Jucato> yay to Riddell!! (who might be sleeping already...
[02:33] <jdong_> and yay to uselessly pinging Riddell </irony>
[02:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: are you a bit busy?
[02:36] <Riddell> jdong_: well, it's not finished yet
[02:36] <jdong_> Riddell: regardless it's still good news :)
[02:36] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it means it thinks one of the files it's monitoring has been edited
[02:42] <gnomefreak> how do i get rid of it
[02:43] <gnomefreak> other than killing it (is there a way to disable it)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes?  no? *shrug*
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i've more got a whole heap of stuff to do which i cant do *yet*
[03:02] <Jucato> Hobbsee: heh I'll just ask later when you're more free. it's not that important, anyway
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ask now :)
[03:03] <Jucato> just about kubuntu membership. if you apply for it during the kubuntu meeting, and, by the grace of $DEITY, got accepted, does that also make you an ubuntu member?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes
[03:04] <Jucato> ooooh... aaah...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> although you get a @kubuntu.org email - not sure if you get a @ubuntu.com one too
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know?
[03:04] <Jucato> and you're entitled to the cloak too?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep.  just have to ask seveas for that
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: quite likely
[03:05] <Jucato> ah thanks for your time. see? not so important :)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> it's fine :)
[03:05] <jdong_> ooh do I get a kubuntu e-mail? :D
[03:06] <Hobbsee> jdong_: you a ubuntu member or kubuntu one?
[03:06] <jdong_> currently just a ubuntu one :(
[03:06] <Hobbsee> er, that's a trick questoin
[03:06] <Hobbsee> dont think so, then
[03:06] <jdong_> what does it take to be a kubuntu one? :)
[03:06] <Jucato> hehe :)
[03:06] <jdong_> havent' I done a lot for kubuntu? :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> jdong_: same as a ubuntu one, but the stuff be some kubuntu-related
[03:07] <jdong_> meh, some other day when sudo make time works
[03:07] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[03:07] <jdong_> lol, I wonder what the reaction would be
[03:08] <manchicken> Hobbsee: What's for breakfast?
[03:08] <Jucato> chicken
[03:08] <Jucato> :D
[03:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: people
[03:09] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Ooh.  I like people.
[03:09] <jdong_> Hobbsee: ugh I had that last night
[03:09] <jdong_> they overbroiled the arms though
[03:09] <jdong_> and they spilled all the cranial fluids too...
[03:09] <jdong_> that's the good stuff
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:15] <Hobbsee> okay, there are a few people on this list that we can straight decline, i think...
[03:16] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> why?  it's in 3 days...
[03:16] <Jucato> oh?
[03:16] <Jucato> I thought it was next thursday
[03:17] <Hobbsee> it changed :P
[03:17] <Jucato> ha!
[03:17] <Hobbsee> [12:15]  <manchicken> Hobbsee: So is 1/31 @ 2300UTC the date and time then?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i didnt even email people first!
[03:17] <Jucato> hehe better e-mail them really quick once Tonio_ confirms :P
[03:17] <manchicken> The konversation OSD is just so nice ^_^
[03:18] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:59] <manchicken> Man, it's amazing how much easier it is to work in a program once you're more familiar with its codebase.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hehe, indeed!
[04:09] <manchicken> Argh, don't know how to add this file.
[04:15] <manchicken> w00t!
[04:15] <manchicken> I think it worked.
[04:25] <manchicken> heh, is that a windows key?
[04:34] <yuriy> heh i thought you were talking about a keyboard key and was confused. that IS a windows key, remember that one too well
[05:08] <manchicken> OMW, is it going to compile?!
[05:08] <manchicken> w00t!  Compiled.  Now, will it link?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> is someone running kde 3.5.5 still?
[05:08] <manchicken> I'm on 3.5.5
[05:09] <manchicken> I didn't know that 3.5.6 was ready for edgy yet.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: can you run apt-cache show kopete and pastebin it somewhere please?
[05:10] <Hobbsee> it's in a separate repo
[05:12] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3301/
[05:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: thanks mate
[05:19] <manchicken> np ^_^
[05:26] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got the thing set up to turn a ListerItem pointer into a URL for a changelog.
[05:27] <manchicken> The question now is how do we want to display that?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> clikc on button that says "view changelog" and hcangelog pops up?
[05:27] <manchicken> We could go all nice and cool displaying it, but I think for starters it might be nice to just have something.
[05:28] <manchicken> Right, but do we just want to have K just go fetch it and pull it up into the editor, or do we want a dialog with a text widget, or do we want a label, or a scrollable display....
[05:28] <manchicken> When's freeze?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> what's K in this instance?
[05:31] <manchicken> I'm unfamiliar with what they do.
[05:31] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:44] <manchicken> What about putting the changelog into the context menu?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> yeah, would work
[05:45] <Hobbsee> *shrugs*
[05:46] <yuriy> manchicken: i'm thinking it would make sense to just put it in the "details" view
[05:47] <manchicken> yuriy: We're talking about the updater.
[05:47] <yuriy> oh
[05:47] <manchicken> Although if I stick it into the context menu, it may work for everything.
[05:48] <manchicken> That would be an added bonus.
[05:48] <yuriy> is there anything in that spec about refining the details view btw?
[05:54] <yuriy> manchicken: the updater has a details view... i think changelog would fit nicely as another tab in there
[05:55] <yuriy> just my 2c
[05:55] <manchicken> Not a bad idea.
[05:58] <yuriy> and by refining the details view, i mean mainly that the "show list" button is very unintuitive to me
[05:58] <yuriy> especially because there is also a "back" button
[06:01] <manchicken> I'm not sure how much refining I can do for that.
[06:02] <manchicken> It's beddy-bye time.
[06:02] <yuriy> actually i'm not sure why there are back/forward buttons at all
[06:02] <yuriy> good night manchicken
[07:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'll get it ( amarok )
[07:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay.  grab the bugs that are assigned to me as well, to do with amarok, please
[07:04] <imbrandon> will do
[08:25] <MrWGW> Kwwii, are you there ATM?
[08:26] <kwwii> MrWGW: yepp, just woke up
[08:26] <kwwii> back at home now
[08:26] <MrWGW> I've really started to like Kubuntu
[08:26] <MrWGW> so I'm enthusiastic about helping out
[08:26] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:26] <kwwii> cool
[08:26] <MrWGW> Right now I'm in SLED, I don't know how or why, but I think I've b0rked the visuals of this distro, at least in GNOME
[08:27] <MrWGW> because its ten times uglier than when I first installed it
[08:27] <kwwii> hehe
[08:27] <MrWGW> I think I need to change my font settings
[08:27] <MrWGW> and get some new Metacity themes
[08:27] <kwwii> we are looking into using a condensed font for gui elements in feisty
[08:27] <MrWGW> anyway, what is the next step for me? Do you have a wiki or something?
[08:28] <kwwii> well, I made artwork specs on launchpad
[08:28] <MrWGW> I'd be careful with that...condensed fonts are harder to read
[08:28] <MrWGW> link?
[08:28] <kwwii> and those link to short wiki descriptions
[08:28] <kwwii> one second
[08:29] <MrWGW> The one advantage would be you'd see less text chopped at the end of a window
[08:31] <kwwii> go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+specs?searchtext=+kubuntu+artwork
[08:31] <kwwii> that shows the scope of things we want to do (but not necessarily everything we will do)
[08:31] <kwwii> and it does not show whether it is a major change or minor change
[08:32] <MrWGW> taking a look
[08:32] <kwwii> I think we have pretty much decided to push the existing artwork further rather than do everything new
[08:32] <MrWGW> btw, has Sun GPLed the JRE yet and if so, will it be preloaded in Feisty?
[08:32] <MrWGW> I'm having a devil of a time getting it to work in Edgy
[08:32] <kwwii> no idea about that...better to ask on ubuntu-devel
[08:32] <MrWGW> ok
[08:33] <kwwii> if you remove the kubuntu in that last url you'll see all the artwork related specs
[08:33] <Jucato> or -motu
[08:33] <kwwii> there is quite a few
[08:33] <kwwii> Jucato: good point
[08:34] <Jucato> one day... one day... I'll have enough art experience, knowh-how, and talent...
[08:34] <kwwii> ;-)
[08:35] <MrWGW> has any actual artwork been produced at this stage?
[08:37] <kwwii> MrWGW: until now I have been working on ubuntu, so very little in the way of actual artwork
[08:37] <kwwii> not sure how I will split up the work yet
[08:38] <Jucato> that's easy...
[08:38] <MrWGW> careful, we wouldn't want people to think you were a filesystem developer, Jucato :-P
[08:38] <kwwii> I wish it were that easy
[08:38] <MrWGW> and yes, that was a bad joke
[08:38] <MrWGW> ::braces for flamage::
[08:39] <Jucato> lol
[08:39] <kwwii> at least I'd have someone intelligent to talk too :p
[08:39] <Jucato> hahaha :)
[08:41] <MrWGW> ha ROFL
[08:41] <Jucato> moin Tonio_
[08:41] <Tonio_> aloah !!!!
[08:41] <Tonio_> hey Jucato :)
[08:42] <kwwii> howdy Tonio_
[08:42] <Tonio_> just seen Riddell has uploaded the kmail fix, I was about to do it ;)
[08:42] <Tonio_> yo kwwii
[08:42] <Tonio_> Jucato: that was ;)
[08:43] <Tonio_> default-settings, sorry....
[08:43] <Tonio_> sans serif is completly messed up on kubuntu
[08:43] <kwwii> Tonio_: we have been talking about using a condensed font
[08:44] <kwwii> remvoing the asian characters from deja vu so that those lang. use a font that works well
[08:44] <kwwii> but leaving the doccument font a regular style
[08:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes I've seen that topic
[08:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: what is decided ?
[08:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: I must say I'm not an expert in fonts.... does this impact the settings or is that just packaging issue for that font ?
[08:48] <kwwii> Tonio_: we decided to test it out
[08:49] <kwwii> since we can still change it back if things look worse
[08:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: so we have to change the settings to deja vu condenced ?
[08:50] <kwwii> Tonio_: some but not all, yes
[08:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: is condenced opposed to "light" ?
[08:50] <Tonio_> I don't see "condenced" in the font config tool
[08:53] <kwwii> let me check
[08:54] <kwwii> condensed is an extra font
[08:54] <kwwii> not a style
[08:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: I don't have it in the list by default
[08:55] <Tonio_> is that an external one ?
[08:55] <Tonio_> universe or something ?
[08:58] <kwwii> hrm, no idea
[08:59] <kwwii> I do not think that I installed it extra on purpose
[08:59] <kwwii> so it might be part of the ubuntu desktop and not kubuntu
[09:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah.... I'll have a look then
[09:01] <MrWGW> well
[09:06] <rideout> Riddell: ping
[09:07] <yuriy> a bit early for him methinks
[09:07] <Tonio_> kwwii: I can't find the package for dejavu condenced
[09:08] <Tonio_> kwwii: all I have in my fonts list is dejavu sans, serif and mono
[09:08] <kwwii> Tonio_: dpkg tells me it is in the dejavu package
[09:08] <kwwii> at least on edgy, it is
[09:09] <Tonio_> kwwii: bah it is not in my list.... unless I'm missing something
[09:09] <yuriy> it's there on my edgy..
[09:09] <kwwii> crazy
[09:10] <Tonio_> http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture10.png
[09:10] <Tonio_> am I missing something or what ?
[09:11] <yuriy> i don't have dejavu condensed on feisty either, only on edgy
[09:11] <Tonio_> yuriy: hum.....
[09:17] <raphink> hi
[09:17] <kwwii> Tonio_: freaky man...it should show up in the left box
[09:18] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, that's the problem ;)
[09:18] <raphink> fyi, the LinuxTag call for paper was sent
[09:18] <raphink> so if you have stuff to talk about ... :)
[09:18] <raphink> it'll take place in Berlin this year :)
[09:18] <raphink> and it would obviously be good to have a kubuntu speaker :)
[09:19] <yuriy> Tonio_: have a look at the changelog for ttf-dejavu, says something about removing the condensed suffix
[09:21] <Tonio_> yuriy: ah...
[09:26] <yuriy> i wonder what the improvement there is supposed to be
[10:17] <screemo> hi ther
[10:17] <screemo> e
[10:47] <Tonio_> kwwii:
[10:47] <Tonio_> debian/ttf-dejavu.defoma-hints: remove "-Condensed" suffix from
[10:47] <Tonio_>     Famil
[10:47] <Tonio_> kwwii: should I understand that condensed is now the "dejavu sans" font ?
[10:47] <Tonio_> s/Famil/Family
[10:47] <kwwii> Tonio_: not sure really...when was this changed?
[10:48] <kwwii> as in exact date
[10:48] <Tonio_> kwwii: Wed, 20 Dec 2006
[10:48] <Tonio_> that's the changelog date
[10:48] <kwwii> freaky
[10:50] <kwwii> seems to me that either someone removed the condensed font or moved the condensed to be the normal one
[10:50] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/bugs/82094
[10:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82094 in kubuntu-meta "USB safe unmount from desktop data corruption" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:50] <Tonio_> another bug due to the media patches........ we really should discuss this for feisty
[10:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: changelog talks about a suffix removed, not a font....
[10:51] <Tonio_> can be the name only no ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: how are those fonts named on edgy ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> do you have 3 or 4 dejavu fonts ?
[10:52] <kwwii> Tonio_: 4
[10:52] <kwwii> Tonio_: look at the last few changes before that
[10:53] <kwwii> erm, I have 5
[10:53] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum, I don't understand the bug report then
[10:53] <kwwii> Sans, Sans-Condensed, serif, serif-condensed, mono
[10:53] <Tonio_> everyone talks about using a non-existing fond...... stupid
[10:53] <kwwii> lol, yeah
[10:53] <Tonio_> s/fond/font
[10:54] <kwwii> it would be funny as hell if someone had replaced the normal fonts with the condensed version
[10:54] <kwwii> then I can remove the bug about using the condensed verison and nobody would know
[10:55] <Tonio_> I'm fixing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kerry/+bug/81062
[10:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81062 in kerry "Beagled is not started automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:56] <Tonio_> that's a well known autostart issue
[10:57] <screemo> is kde-guidance removed for good ?
[10:58] <screemo> somwhere after herd1 or 2 it was removed, but I'm not sure if that was correct
[11:03] <yuriy> screemo: i don't think it was removed, make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed
[11:03] <screemo> yuriy: hmm i
[11:03] <screemo> yuriy: havent got kubuntu-desktop... thats wierd
[11:04] <screemo> yuriy: thanks alot :) - it seems to want kde-guidance installed. However I didn't think it was possible to have kde and not kubuntu-desktop :)
[11:08] <screemo> yuriy: thanks :) - it works now
[11:10] <screemo> on kde startup (i'm using knetworkmanager), it would be nice if adept_notifier was to load AFTER my network connection went online. Is that possible?
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I noticed a few packages seem to use /etc/xdg/autostart (gnome default) when kde uses /usr/share/autostart
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we create a link ? that'll avoid issues like bug 81062
[11:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81062 in kerry "Beagled is not started automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81062
[11:14] <Tonio_> seems easier to postinst something in kds than fixing all the packages every release or sync with debian....
[11:15] <Tonio_> ln -sf /usr/share/autostart /etc/xdg/autostart should do the trick
[11:28] <Tonio_> screemo: not easilly unfortunately
[11:30] <screemo> Tonio_: I thought so :(
[11:30] <screemo> Tonio_: Would be nice to have a dependency scheme like upstart
[11:33] <sebas> We'd want a "Is this host reachable?", not a dependency scheme, IMO.
[11:33] <sebas> And that is what Solid does, coincidentally
[11:35] <screemo> I really like the rubberband effect that seems to be in all the kubuntu releases, why not apply a simple change to the log out grey/fade ? I know there are proposed patches to change it, but this would be nice to differenciate kubuntu from the rest
[11:37] <sebas> It looks scary and like I need to fix some code then
[11:38] <sebas> I hope they wrote docs in the meantime, the little docs there are are deprecated now probably. :/
[11:39] <sebas> OTOH, mainloop configuration seems to be fixed, which would make it worth it.
[11:40] <sebas> That's all about the python-dbus bindings though.
[12:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSansCondensed.ttf
[12:01] <Tonio_> the file installed here so it seems like a kde bug
[12:01] <kwwii> Tonio_: totally freaky
[12:02] <Tonio_> I can't see it here in the kcm module
[12:02] <Tonio_> kwwii: yup I agree
[12:04] <screemo> on herd2+updates: it is on purpose that the modules usually found in kcontrol are orphaned in "Lost and Found" ? maybe its just because of work in progress.. (?)
[12:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: wow !!!
[12:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: I tried the following : systemsettings -> font installer
[12:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: then I installed the font manually, I get "Dejavu Sans" in the list
[12:05] <Tonio_> then I install the /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf file
[12:05] <Tonio_> it replaces the "Dejavu Sans" in the list
[12:06] <Tonio_> what's that shit ?
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: I doubt we want all of gnome's programmes autostarted
[12:07] <kwwii> Tonio_: sounds like something very freaky
[12:10] <Riddell> rideout: pong
[12:11] <rideout> Riddell: nevermind, I figured it out, but thanks for the pong
[12:11] <rideout> Ridell: I had a kubuntu packaging question
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I'll fix beagle package then
[12:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: ?  what's wrong with beagle?
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't autostart when kerry is installed
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 81062
[12:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81062 in kerry "Beagled is not started automatically" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81062
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: we previously installed a /usr/share/autostart file but it went with the packaging sync with debian.....
[12:29] <screemo> hmm no one seems to answer my question ;(
[12:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: it is a bug in the font, I'll fix it
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix the beagle package for autostart, but that's a pain doing this every release.....
[12:33] <kwwii> Tonio_: cool
[12:34] <screemo> it is on purpose that the modules usually found in kcontrol are orphaned in "Lost and Found" ? maybe its just because of work in progress.. (?)
[12:48] <Sime> Tonio_: Hi, can you add a short list to the meeting agenda about the (worst) "media:/" patch bugs. Maybe I can offer some feedback.
[12:49] <Tonio_> Sime: sure
[12:49] <Sime> thx
[12:55] <gnomefreak> is it possible for kubuntu to get the webcollage screensaver? (people have been asking and another one asked today)
[12:55] <Riddell> no, it was removed in the first release
[12:56] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:56] <Riddell> fears of porn appearing on people's screens seemed important enough when people were complaining about nekkid ubuntu backgrounds
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ghnome still has it (just doesnt work edgy and up not sure if it was fixe din dapper or not
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:59] <Riddell> I'm sure the bug for hoary was for KDE only, did gnome add it at some point?
[01:00] <gnomefreak> gnome has been using it since dapper atleast maybe breezy (but doesnt work)
[01:03] <screemo> Riddell: I know you're busy, but you could you enlighten me as to why the kcontrol programs appear in the "Lost & found" ? Is it supposed to this way as of now, or is my installation broken?
[01:04] <screemo> Riddell: I will go update it if thats the case.
[01:04] <Riddell> screemo: I don't have a clue, it's a bug and obviously needs to be fixed before release, but I've not had time to look at it yet
[01:05] <screemo> Riddell: thanks :) - I will go on and see what happens
[01:06] <screemo> Riddell: Is it something it could assist with ? i've got 2 hours or so every day I could devote to kubuntu
[01:06] <screemo> Riddell: would love to squash some bugs :)
[01:06] <Riddell> screemo: certainly if you work out what's causing it that would be very welcome
[01:07] <screemo> Riddell: could you share your idea of what it could be, so I have something to start with ?
[01:07] <screemo> Riddell: or even just a pointer to what area
[01:07] <Riddell> I'm not very sure
[01:07] <Riddell> the files are all in /etc/xdg/menu
[01:08] <Riddell> I guess you could download the stock KDE menu files and see if putting those in place fixes it
[01:08] <Riddell> removing kde-systemsettings might have some affect
[01:08] <screemo> Riddell: good, I will look into it
[01:08] <Riddell> investigate what debian is doing with the menu files now
[01:08] <Riddell> kubuntu changes applications.menu to kde-applications.menu that could have something to do with it
[01:09] <screemo> funny thing is that obex-devices is present inside kcontrol :)
[01:09] <screemo> as the only one
[01:12] <gnomefreak> has the double settings entry in Kmenu been fixed or looked at? (ive been on suse the past 4+ days and seen alot of k updates
[01:12] <Riddell> Tonio_ said he was fixing that
[01:12] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[01:13] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:31] <screemo> Riddell: its working with the edgy menu files, I'm looking into which of the differences that cause the problem
[01:31] <screemo> now
[01:32] <Riddell> interesting
[01:33] <screemo> yep, however the settings menu are not visible in edgy
[01:34] <screemo> don't know if that effects anything
[01:37] <Riddell> we don't want it to be
[01:40] <screemo> ok, i will get back to you in a little while
[01:40] <Riddell> diff -u is your friend :)
[01:42] <screemo> yep i know ;)
[01:43] <screemo> '/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu: No such file or directory'
[01:43] <screemo> might it be that this file is missing in feisty ?
[01:43] <screemo> I will try
[01:44] <screemo> hmm nope
[01:45] <Riddell> it's in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu
[01:45] <screemo> just saw that :)
[01:45] <Riddell> maybe it needs moved to kde- directory
[01:46] <Riddell> mm yes, that seems to fix it
[01:46] <screemo> probably
[01:47] <screemo> what are applications-merged for anyway ?
[01:47] <screemo> isn't it named wrong to start with ?
[01:47] <Riddell> applications-merged is where KDE puts it, kde-applications-merged is where Kubuntu puts it to stop it clashing with gnome
[01:48] <screemo> ah
[01:48] <screemo> maybe you could just symlink it to kde-applications then
[01:48] <screemo> avoid having the duplicate there
[01:48] <Riddell> or just move it
[01:49] <screemo> hmm well kde problably dont need it since it doesn't work when its in applications-merged.. .
[01:50] <screemo> strange however that OBEX-devices are in the correct place regardless of this error. Seems like something might be hardcoded
[01:51] <screemo> but that might not be too important
[01:52] <Riddell> I don't understand how that kde-essential.menu file causes the entries to be hidden
[01:59] <Riddell> screemo: want to have a go at fixing the package or want me to just do it?
[02:02] <screemo> well I would like to try it, because I would like to help fix these kind of problems in the future also
[02:03] <screemo> I have worked with rpms previously, so i think just a few pointers could make me get on with fixing it
[02:06] <Riddell> screemo: apt-get install devscripts; apt-get source kdebase
[02:06] <screemo> alright, hope you have time to set me up here
[02:07] <screemo> its downloading..
[02:07] <Riddell> edit debian/kdebase-data.install
[02:08] <Riddell> the line  debian/tmp/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu  installs that file into the default location
[02:08] <Riddell> we want to move it so change that line to one with two arguments: debian/tmp/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu debian/kdebase-data/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu
[02:08] <Riddell> then add a changelog entry with dch -i
[02:09] <Riddell> build the source "package" with debuild -S
[02:09] <Riddell> and send me the diff  (debdiff *dsc)
[02:09] <screemo> ok
[02:10] <screemo> got my daughter on my arm now, will fix in a few minutes :)
[02:10] <Riddell> actually, I'm wrong on the second argument in the .install file, it doesn't need the "debian/kdebase-data" bit
[02:11] <screemo> I'll figure it out
[02:12] <screemo> I'm on it now
[02:13] <screemo> you want to keep the file in applications-merged also ?
[02:15] <Riddell> no
[02:15] <screemo> ok
[02:18] <rraphink> hi guys
[02:33] <screemo> I doing the debuild now
[02:34] <screemo> its done, I'll send you an email
[02:37] <screemo> done
[02:37] <screemo> let me know if its completely wrong
[02:39] <Tonio_> kwwii: looks like a kcontrol/kde issue concerning dejavu-condensed
[02:39] <Tonio_> kde doesn't seem to deal correctly with condensed style
[02:41] <kwwii> Tonio_: hrm, I wonder why
[02:41] <kwwii> kinda sucks, really
[02:41] <Tonio_> kwwii: dunno, but the change from font to style reguarding dejavu is an upstream change
[02:41] <kwwii> you save so much space with a condensed font
[02:41] <Tonio_> and kde doesn't seem to parse the styles correctly
[02:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: looks like the parser has an issue
[02:42] <Tonio_> kwwii: the "light" weight is seen correctly, but not condensed
[02:45] <kwwii> perhaps we can fix that for feisty
[02:47] <Riddell> screemo: I need the debdiff not the diff.gz
[02:47] <screemo> Riddell: sorry ;(
[02:48] <Riddell> screemo: debdiff old.dsc new.dsc > fix-menu.diff
[02:48] <Riddell> where old and new are wh
[02:48] <Riddell> where old and new are whatever the files are called
[02:49] <screemo> like that ?
[02:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: fc-list | grep DejaVu
[02:50] <Riddell> screemo: dunno, `ls` should reveal that :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> kwwii: it looks like kde has a problem to parse the names when the font has 2 names or something
[02:50] <screemo> Riddell: check your mail ;)
[02:51] <Riddell> screemo: they're in the directory above the code
[02:51] <screemo> Riddell: yea, but you should really check your email :D
[02:51] <Tonio_> kwwii: it only gets the first one so that it results a conflict in the display since you have twice the same name for 2 different fonts
[02:52] <Riddell> screemo: groovy
[02:52] <screemo> Riddell: better I think :)
[02:52] <screemo> Riddell: just had to sort of get how it worked
[02:52] <Tonio_> kwwii: ae_Tholoth,Tholoth:style=Regular
[02:52] <screemo> time to put army of darkness on the dvd..
[02:52] <Tonio_> Tholoth is missing in the list too, only the first name is kept as long as the font has 2 names..... that's weird
[02:53] <Tonio_> kwwii: same wioth padma/padmma etc....
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea how to fix this ? (I'll report on kde bts)
[02:54] <Tonio_> that's a hudge issue....
[02:54] <screemo> Riddell: what if I wanted to change the logout fade/wipe on kde, would it have any chance of getting accepted for feisty perhaps ?
[02:55] <Riddell> screemo: it might do yes, the problem is with remote X sessions, but feel free to make some packages for us to test with
[02:56] <screemo> Riddell: sweet, cause the would do another thing for setting kubuntu separate from other distros (as I said before I really like the rubberband effect)
[02:58] <screemo> Riddell: could you maybe explain to me how to make those packages using the debian tools ? Just some pointers, I will figure out the rest
[02:58] <Riddell> screemo: run  debuild
[02:58] <Riddell> without the -S it runs the full compile
[02:58] <screemo> ah sweet
[02:58] <Riddell> screemo: put the patch in debian/patches first
[02:59] <screemo> got a new cpu, so it might not take so long to compile it
[02:59] <screemo> ok got it
[02:59] <screemo> ah there's the rubberband effect I see also
[03:00] <kwwii> Tonio_: have you looked to see if this is a known bug in kde?
[03:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: nothing comes to mind
[03:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: yep nothing
[03:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: hard to "see" it is a bug btw
[03:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: this is a very special case
[03:01] <screemo> Riddell: is that the way to go ? I mean build a whole debian package and install it before I can test the patches ? Wouldn't it be possible to have sort of an dev environment where to test it from directly ?
[03:02] <Tonio_> kwwii: as long as a font has 2 names, the first is kept, while it should be the second in that case
[03:02] <Tonio_> I don't understand why a font has 2 names btw, that's a non-sense
[03:02] <Tonio_> kwwii: easy way to reproduce, go to font installer and install the 2 ttf, they both replace each other in fact
[03:03] <Tonio_> the 2 fonts are in ~/.fonts, but only one is displayed in the list
[03:03] <Tonio_> that's probably deeply in kdelibs..... hard to get a fix for this
[03:03] <Riddell> screemo: sure, you can apply the patch and compile by and with ./configure --prefix=/usr; make; sudo make install
[03:03] <Riddell> screemo: but then none of us can test it
[03:04] <Tonio_> kwwii: I assume that's kdelibs because all font selection related tool have the same issue, not only the fonts installer
[03:04] <screemo> Riddell: ok I see! I will use the other method
[03:04] <Riddell> s/and/hand/
[03:04] <Tonio_> kwwii: well I'll report the issue and we'll see what happens
[03:05] <Riddell> screemo: kdebase_3.5.6-0ubuntu3 uploaded, many thanks.  you should check the compile progress in a couple of hours at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[03:05] <screemo> Riddell: cool, I will
[03:06] <screemo> Riddell: donno about the email inside the diff, i just put my own in there. But I imagine it should be yours
[03:06] <Riddell> no, it should be yours, credit to you et al
[03:07] <screemo> Riddell: ok thanks, but you also approved it - so thats probably fine :)
[03:07] <kwwii> Tonio_: good idea
[03:07] <screemo> Riddell: I really have some good ideas on the logout stuff.. I will experiment and get back
[03:08] <Riddell> screemo: redesigning that logout dialogue would be nice
[03:08] <screemo> Riddell: got any use cases or something to guide me on that ?
[03:08] <screemo> Riddell: screenshots and the like
[03:08] <Riddell> well k-menu->log out for the current one
[03:09] <Riddell> and see ubuntu and xubuntu for something a bit more sane
[03:09] <screemo> Riddell: ah yep, I remember
[03:09] <screemo> Riddell: I will install ubuntu feisty in vmware, and see how it looks
[03:09] <Riddell> actually we had some mockups somewhere, can't remember where now
[03:09] <Riddell> maybe kwwii knows
[03:10] <screemo> Riddell: ok, but I imagine they should be close to the gnome one
[03:11] <screemo> Riddell: I will start with the logout wipe.. see how far I can come on that
[03:24] <screemo> Riddell: when you're developing / squashing bugs do you have a machine for testing, or how do you come by testing out changes ?
[03:24] <Riddell> screemo: depends on my mood and how much I trust the change
[03:25] <Riddell> screemo: for the logout dialog you don't have much choice but to install it on your local machine
[03:25] <Riddell> screemo: but for non-session specific stuff you can m
[03:25] <Riddell> make a chroot
[03:26] <screemo> Riddell: yea, or maybe just have a test feisty running in a vmware session... I know there's new scripting api in the latest for controlling the virtual machines
[03:27] <screemo> Riddell: kde is compiling now... finnally good use for the T7600 ;)
[03:28] <Riddell> oh, if you have vmware running that's perfect
[03:31] <screemo> Riddell: yep, i sort of prefer that angle instead of trashing my installation
[03:46] <screemo> Riddell: I just tried out the new patch... It doesn't work
[03:47] <screemo> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu': No such file or directory
[03:47] <screemo> great
[03:47] <Riddell> screemo: I know, I fixed it :)
[03:48] <Riddell> you need to parts to that line, the first saying where the file is and the second being where we want it
[03:48] <Riddell> "debian/tmp/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu"
[03:48] <screemo> ah ok
[03:48] <screemo> its just a frontend for 'cp'
[03:48] <Riddell> yes
[03:49] <screemo> I'm actually done compiling kde now
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya
[03:49] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:49] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[03:51] <screemo> Riddell: to clean the failed compile attempt, it seems like make clean doesn't really cut it. It can't reverse it: Trying reverse patch debian/patches/kubuntu_78_kcontrol_hide_component_chooser.diff at level 1 ... 0 ... 2 ... failure.
[03:52] <screemo> neverming, I just redownload the package
[03:52] <screemo> nevermind even
[03:54] <Riddell> mm, something has broken with the code that adds gettext domains to the .desktop files that it doesn't get cleaned before the patches
[03:55] <screemo> thats ok
[03:58] <screemo> Riddell: btw, do you know why konsole scrolls so damn slow... it has been that way since kde 3.3 i think
[03:59] <Riddell> I've not noticed any problem
[04:00] <screemo> Riddell: it sort of draw the text from top to bottom all the time. Its very noticable I think. I'm even running with fglrx drivers
[04:01] <screemo> Riddell: but it might be related to qt or antialiased fonts.. donno
[04:03] <screemo> Riddell: actually looks like it clearing the screen before writing a new line to it
[05:24] <Lure> sebas: I have patched powermanager for python-dbus 0.80 support
[05:24] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: it would be great to get new kde-guidance svn snapshot in before Herd3
[05:25] <Riddell> yes, it would
[05:25] <Lure> if this is not possible, at least we need to patch it for powermanager (does not work with latest python-dbus)
[05:25] <Riddell> maybe Tonio_ will do that honours
[05:25] <Lure> Riddell: but new snapshot would be better - see the list of Fix commited bugs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bugs
[05:25] <nixternal> alrighty then, KDE 3.5.6 and ??  you know what I am talking about, only have a couple of days now. What's new in 7.04 for Herd 3?
[05:26] <nixternal> is the UI Language Selector going to be in Herd 3?
[05:26] <Riddell> nixternal: certainly should be
[05:26] <nixternal> rock on
[05:26] <Riddell> kdevelop 3.4
[05:26] <nixternal> gotcha, as an addon of course
[05:27] <nixternal> which I am trying to learn at the same time
[05:27] <Tonio_> Lure: will do toonight
[05:27] <fdoving> Lure: around? my guidance-power-manager.py eats mem.
[05:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I would do it, but do not know all the details of how it is done ;-)
[05:28] <Lure> fdoving: how quickly?
[05:28] <Lure> fdoving: any messages to console?
[05:28] <fdoving> Lure: 1G in ~13 days.
[05:28] <Lure> fdoving: that is FAST
[05:28] <fdoving> no messages.
[05:29] <Lure> fdoving: interesting. i386?
[05:29] <fdoving> ppc.
[05:29] <mhb> mine too
[05:29] <mhb> i386
[05:30] <Tonio_> Lure: yeah no pb :)
[05:31] <fdoving> mhb: does your eat mem too?
[05:31] <Lure> fdoving, mhb: monitoring now on my system...
[05:31] <fdoving> Lure: ok. thanks :)
[05:33] <Lure> yep, it grows 1 MB every couple of minutes :-(
[05:34] <fdoving> go fix :)
[05:42] <mhb> Lure: thanks for fixing it
[05:43] <Lure> mhb: no thanks upfront ;-) I hope I can fix it ;-)
[06:15] <TheInfinity> hmm ... is there a plan to make the adept sources.list editor better?
[06:18] <Riddell> TheInfinity: yes
[06:18] <Riddell> feisty plan is to replace it with software-properties from ubuntu
[06:19] <TheInfinity> so something like a clickable interface where you habe to activate just a checkbox for multiverse for example?
[06:20] <TheInfinity> because its really difficult to explain an new user how to edit it via textfile ...
[06:21] <Riddell> yep
[06:22] <meduxa> talking about adept, Let me describe the problem we have, just in case you have can take it in consideration
[06:22] <TheInfinity> hmm ... is it already in the alpha?
[06:23] <meduxa> many people with no admin experience want to install apps that are in other repositories, it is not optimal but many people want to so if the new adept can include a gui for changing
[06:23] <meduxa> sources.list it woul be great
[06:23] <Riddell> meduxa: that's just what I was talking about to TheInfinity :)
[06:23] <meduxa> following the line you pointed
[06:24] <meduxa> ok
[06:24] <meduxa> I understand
[06:24] <Riddell> we'll have a sources.list editor just like the one in ubuntu
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: when is the freeze exactly, I may be short in time to package guidance toonight
[06:24] <Riddell> which will be much more powerful
[06:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll do it then
[06:24] <meduxa> perfect
[06:24] <TheInfinity> is it already in the alpha? because then i would test the alpha on my secound pc ;)
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I'm sorry, just have to go out for a few hours....
[06:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: friend of mine got his car crashed....
[06:25] <Riddell> TheInfinity: it's not, but maybe it will be later this week
[06:25] <TheInfinity> ok
[06:25] <TheInfinity> sounds good :)
[07:13] <mhb> we do have a meeting on wednesday?
[07:14] <Riddell> sebas: service config doesn't want to compile :(
[07:15] <Riddell> sebas: it needs a gcc include for /usr/include/kde
[07:15] <Riddell> Sime: ^^
[07:23] <Riddell> actually, maybe it's just my system
[07:26] <Riddell> yes it was, panic over Sime, sebas
[07:31] <nixternal> heh
[08:02] <sebas> Riddell: More important, does serviceconfig even make sense in times of upstart?
[08:02] <Riddell> not sure, keybuk wasn't at the distro sprint to ask
[08:03] <sebas> Hm ok
[08:03] <sebas> We might want to check how broken it is with Feisty
[08:03] <sebas> I don't have Feisty on any of my machines though
[08:07] <Riddell> marseillai: like what?
[08:07] <Sime> Riddell: will you be at FOSDEM this year?
[08:07] <Riddell> Sime: alas, no
[08:07] <Sime> bummer
[08:08] <Sime> anyone else here?
[08:08] <Riddell> sebas will
[08:08] <Riddell> seaLne said he was
[08:08] <Riddell> ryanakca too
[08:08] <Sime> cool.
[08:09] <seaLne> Sime: yeah
[08:09] <Sime> sebas: guess what I bought on Saturday?
[08:09] <Sime> seaLne: where do you live?
[08:10] <seaLne> glasgow
[08:10] <seaLne> scotland
[08:11] <Sime> ok,
[08:11] <Sime> and where will ryanakca be coming from?
[08:12] <seaLne> vi
[08:13] <hunger> Sime: In addition there is always kate if you need something with a gui.
[08:13] <seaLne> :)
[08:15] <Lure> sebas: hi - I am getting out of ideas what could have caused memory leak in powermanager
[08:15] <Lure> sebas: I may start doing binary search in svn :-(
[08:24] <sebas> Lure: It's gotta be in the poll code, but it might also be a PyQt or PyKDE problem.
[08:25] <Lure> sebas: yep, I did not notice it before though...
[08:25] <sebas> I've gone through the code searching for mem problems some time ago, couldn't find anything.
[08:26] <sebas> I.e. we're not adding to lists, and making them longer and longer or somesuch
[08:27] <marseillai> [20:07]  <Riddell> marseillai: like what? ------>> like kopete, kprint, amarok, .........
[08:28] <Riddell> marseillai: kprint uses the ipp zeroconf stuff (well, cups does, if you turn it on)
[08:29] <Riddell> amarok I'm not sure, the daap script stuff may
[08:29] <Riddell> and kopete doesn't have a chat server built in
[08:29] <Sime> sebas: maybe there is a memory profiler tool somewhere that can tell you what the extra objects are.
[08:30] <marseillai> Riddell: for kprinter i've turn on zeroconf on my two pc and the one wich has no printer doesn't see any printer
[08:34] <allee> marseillai: zeroconf makes not much sense with cups.  Cups can announce it's printers by itself.  And when cups does not export it's printers it does not help when zeroconf tells you there are some ;)
[08:35] <marseillai> oki allee
[08:35] <marseillai> thanks
[08:35] <screemo> hi there
[08:36] <screemo> Riddell: did that patch on the menus work for you ? mine doesn't :)
[08:36] <screemo> Riddell: all I got was a directory called "kde-essential" with the file "kde-essential.menu" inside of it
[08:36] <screemo> donno what went wrong really..
[08:37] <sebas> Sime: Hm, good idea
[08:46] <Riddell> screemo: hum, yes
[08:47] <Sime> sebas: I hope you can get that problem worked out; I bought a laptop on Saturday :->
[08:47] <screemo> Riddell: seems like that copying thing didnt really work
[08:47] <Riddell> screemo: yeah, I got the syntax wrong, easily fixed
[08:48] <Riddell> screemo: if you still have the build tree around you can see what happens if you take the filename off that line in the .install file
[08:48] <Riddell> and build with   debuild -nc  to not clear at the start of the build
[08:49] <screemo> Riddell: I just deleted it, but I have downloaded the latest now
[08:51] <screemo> Riddell: by taking the filename off, should that change anything ?
[08:51] <Riddell> screemo: yes
[08:51] <Riddell> it expects the directory the file should be moved to, not the filename
[08:52] <screemo> ah
[08:52] <screemo> ofcourse
[08:52] <screemo> gotta get those glasses hehe
[08:55] <screemo> Riddell: changed the command, and doing debuild -nc
[08:55] <screemo> now
[09:01] <TheInfinity> is it possible that the alpha cd dows not work with usb keyboards?
[09:01] <TheInfinity> in bios the keyboard works
[09:02] <TheInfinity> the cd menue after booting doesnt
[09:02] <TheInfinity> the knoppix boot promt works
[09:02] <Riddell> works for me, but it's certainly possible
[09:02] <Riddell> report a bug
[09:02] <Riddell> include dmesg output
[09:03] <TheInfinity> i have also an IE error after it starts automaticly
[09:03] <TheInfinity> I/O
[09:03] <TheInfinity> old cd drive ... i'll try burning it on a CD-R, not a RW to make it completely readable ...
[09:04] <ryanakca> Sime: hmm?
[09:04] <screemo> Riddell: I have a vanilla kubuntu feisty on vmware I can test this patch on.. I will send you a diff once it works
[09:05] <ryanakca> Sime: "[14:11]  <Sime> and where will ryanakca be coming from?"   Comming from to go where?
[09:05] <Tm_T> ryanakca: You wasn't kidnapped by aliens?!
[09:06] <ryanakca> Tm_T: of course, but I escaped...
[09:06] <Tm_T> Well, then you should be going to Italy.
[09:06] <ryanakca> long drop though... thank god for lake ontario
[09:06] <ryanakca> for?
[09:06] <Tm_T> Dunno, that's what I did.
[09:06] <ryanakca> Are you paying my plane ticket? and my hotel? and my food? and all that good stuff? if so, sure, I'll just leave a note to my parents and I'll be there
[09:07] <ryanakca> :P
[09:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: FOSDEM
[09:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: no clue :) *googles it*
[09:08] <hunger> ryanakca: FOSDEM is a really cool show!
[09:08] <Riddell> ah, no it was apokryphos
[09:09] <ryanakca> hmm... sounds interesting... maybe when I'm older, and I can afford it :)
[09:09] <apokryphos> ryanakca: you in Europe?
[09:10] <ryanakca> apokryphos: no... and I guess it's for europeans... since is FOSDEM and not FOSDNAM :)
[09:11] <apokryphos> ah, quite a mission, then :)
[09:11] <hunger> ryanakca: hand in a paper next year and they'll pay your flight and hotel (if it gets accepted).
[09:11] <ryanakca> heh
[09:11] <ryanakca> hunger: interesting... I'll wait a couple years though....
[09:13] <apokryphos> hunger: Canonical will?
[09:17] <TheInfinity> okay, USB keyboard does NOT work in boot menue with working CD
[09:17] <hunger> apokryphos: ?
[09:18] <apokryphos> hunger: as in, Canonical will pay?
[09:19] <TheInfinity> how should I make bug report? because ... the desktop works with the keyboard ...
[09:19] <hunger> apokryphos: No the conference people.
[09:20] <Riddell> TheInfinity: report it on syslinux if that's possible
[09:20] <hunger> apokryphos: They usually pay for the travel expenses and a hotel room if your presentation gets accepted.
[09:20] <apokryphos> that's only for a very select few people, right?
[09:20] <apokryphos> i.e. those on http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers
[09:20] <hunger> apokryphos: Yes. only for those.
[09:21] <apokryphos> needless to say, those are all big time celebrities :P
[09:21] <hunger> apokryphos: Yeap... all those poor guys that need the free flights;-)
[09:22] <apokryphos> this is where distribution sponsor's come in :P
[09:22] <apokryphos> Novell are being nice and sponsoring me :D
[09:22] <hunger> apokryphos: Nice...
[09:22] <apokryphos> Ubuntu doesn't make that big a deal about fosdem though, which is a shame
[09:22] <ryanakca> lol
[09:22] <apokryphos> (no dev room, etc)
[09:22] <ryanakca> apokryphos: what ties do you have with Novell?
[09:22] <apokryphos> ryanakca: openSUSE
[09:22] <ryanakca> ah
[09:22] <hunger> apokryphos: I'll have to pay for myself this year... but then I want fosdem to turn into work:-)
[09:23] <apokryphos> heh
[09:23] <hunger> apokryphos: ... there was a *NOT* missing somewhere in my last sencence.
[09:24] <apokryphos> oh right, I thought you meant you don't want to pay in future years. Ok.
[09:25] <hunger> apokryphos: exactly:-)
[09:25] <ryanakca> hmm... anybody having trouble getting amarok to start up?
[09:26] <Tm_T> ryanakca: Amarok from kubuntu or Amarok in general?
[09:29] <TheInfinity> hmpf
[09:29] <TheInfinity> installer crashes
[09:37] <gnomefreak> is there anyway too kill all kde processes when kde is not being used? this kbuildsycoca is starting to get on my nerves
[09:38] <gnomefreak> it keeps spiting out basket warnings/errors
[09:39] <gnomefreak> it runs during dpkg and than it starts again from prompt by itself :(
[09:40] <Riddell> killall kded
[09:40] <gnomefreak> that gave me the damn mediamanager starting at its own prompt
[09:41] <gnomefreak> that was another thing i was fighting with earlier
[09:49] <ryanakca> Tm_T: from kubuntu, kde 3.5.6...
[11:10] <Dink> Is there a problem upgrading kopete ?
[11:11] <Dink> Its trying to overwrite a file which is also in kopete-meanwhile package
[11:13] <Riddell> Dink: from what to what?
[11:13] <Dink> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kopete_4%3a3.5.6-0ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:13] <Dink>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/kopete/icons/crystalsvg/22x22/apps/meanwhile_protocol.png', which is also in package kopete-meanwhile
[11:14] <Dink> Preparing to replace kopete 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu4 (using .../kopete_4%3a3.5.6-0ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[11:17] <Riddell> fooey
[11:17] <Dink> i dont need meanwhile anymore so I can always remove that nor kopote but thought  i should bring it up in here
[11:17] <Riddell> Dink: edgy or feisty?
[11:17] <Dink> feisty
[11:17] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kopete_4%3a3.5.6-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[11:18] <Riddell> does it complain about other files?
[11:18] <Dink> originally no just that one
[11:18] <Riddell> but with the force-overwrite?
[11:18] <Dink> havent tried
[11:18] <Riddell> well try it now :)
[11:20] <Dink> that worked
[11:20] <Riddell> can you put the output in the pastebin?
[11:20] <Dink> ok files are as follows
[11:21] <Dink> i removed kopote-meanwhile so i tried to install it again figured same error for kopete
[11:21] <Dink> force worked on kopete-meanwhile
[11:22] <Dink> probably same files to overwrite
[11:23] <Dink> pastebin now
[11:24] <Dink> taking a bit to post
[11:25] <Dink> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/870714
[11:38] <Riddell> Dink: looks like it just needs to conflict with the old kopete-meanwhile plugin
[11:38] <Riddell> and we can get rid of the old package
[11:39] <Dink> k
[11:39] <Dink> i removed kopete-meanwhile since I dont even use kopete anymore
[11:39] <Dink> but figured others might run into this problem also
[11:40] <Riddell> Dink: fancy reporting a bug on kopete-meanwhile requesting it to be removed?