[01:23] <ddaa> okay... fix-it-late-sunday-night is a shitty proposition
[01:23] <ddaa> don't try it
[01:29] <ddaa> hello mpt
[01:29] <ddaa> LarstiQ: ain't you supposed to be at a sprint or something tomorrow?
[01:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[01:30] <LarstiQ> ddaa: yes
[01:30] <mpt> It's a beautiful day here in the Sunshine City
[01:31] <ddaa> mpt: I'd value your input on david/launchpad/hct-cleanup david/launchpad/productseries-source and especially david/launchpad/vcs-import-status
[01:32] <ddaa> assorted UI polish in the vcs-imports UI
[01:32] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
[01:35] <jamesh> hi mpt, ddaa
[01:47] <mpt> ddaa, ok, I'll look at that after I've looked at carlos's translation form changes
[01:48] <ddaa> mpt: no hurry, I'm pretty sure this stuff are improvements, but you may have suggestions for further improvements.
[01:51] <LaserJock> mpt: do you know what time zone kiko is in?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: brazillian
[01:52] <ddaa> he usually pops up around 13:00-14:00 UTC
[01:53] <mpt> LaserJock, http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=233
[02:08] <mpt> ah, that worked, now it's loading
[02:10] <ddaa> mpt: kill -STICK ?
[02:52] <LaserJock> mpt: do you know if LP specs are ever put on a public wiki?
[02:55] <jamesh> LaserJock: none of the LP specific ones
[02:55] <jamesh> LaserJock: some of the ones that deal with Bazaar integration are on bazaar-vcs.org thoughj
[02:55] <LaserJock> jamesh: ok, thanks
[02:58] <spiv> jamesh: :)
[02:58] <jamesh> spiv: it was 40 degrees yesterday ...
[02:59] <jamesh> it was similarly hot on Australia Day -- some of the barges they used for the fireworks caught on fire
[03:00] <LaserJock> yikes
[03:00] <jamesh> today the forecast is only 33 degrees
[03:00] <LaserJock> it's about 0 C here :/
[03:02] <Hobbsee> jamesh: where are you?
[03:02] <jamesh> Hobbsee: Perth
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:09] <Bhaskar> Hobbsee: still problem in launchpad??
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Bhaskar: no idea, i'm not a launchpad dev
[05:10] <Bhaskar> ok
[05:13] <LaserJock> Bhaskar: are you subscribed to the bug?
[05:13] <Bhaskar> LaserJock:no
[05:19] <jamesh> Bhaskar: are you having trouble with something?
[05:20] <Bhaskar> jamesh:ya, from friday, i could not download po and mo, i have very urgent
[05:21] <jamesh> you mean you don't get the email notification that the download is ready?
[05:21] <Bhaskar> jamesh: get the notification but not getting any mail
[05:22] <jamesh> the email is the notification, isn't it?
[05:22] <Bhaskar> jamesh: ya, why they not send po and mo
[05:24] <jamesh> Bhaskar: so the email says there was a failure?
[05:24] <Bhaskar> jamesh:but they not alert
[05:25] <jamesh> Bhaskar: could you paste the body of the email message to http://rafb.net/paste/ and give me the resulting URL?
[05:27] <Bhaskar> jamesh:Your request has been received. Expect to receive an email shortly.
[05:28] <Bhaskar> jamesh: but i am not getting any mail from launchpad
[05:28] <jamesh> Bhaskar: okay.  In that case, the PO export queue hasn't been processed
[05:29] <Bhaskar> jamesh:ya
[05:29] <jamesh> stub: would you have any idea about problems with the PO export queue not running?
[05:29] <Bhaskar> jamesh:what is the solution
[05:30] <jamesh> Bhaskar: the Rosetta developers are in Europe, so not usually up at this time of day (they should be in a few hours though)
[05:30] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i am waiting from friday,all my work is in pending, pls ...
[05:31] <jamesh> hmm.  Looks like one of the items in the queue is failing to compile
[05:32] <jamesh> Bhaskar: you'll have to wait til carlos or danilos are up
[05:32] <Bhaskar> jamesh: can you communicate with Brain sutherland
[05:33] <jamesh> Bhaskar: they would be in a better position to debug this problem
[05:33] <Bhaskar> jamesh:ok
[05:33] <jamesh> Bhaskar: it is a todo item to make a bunch of these scripts more robust (and record better error messages)
[05:34] <jamesh> as it is, I can only offer apologies for the delay
[05:34] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i hope, the solution may come with in short time
[05:36] <stub> jamesh: Running fine as far as I can see
[05:37] <stub> Ooh... export script go boom
[05:37] <jamesh> stub: yeah.  I just looked at the error reports mailing list
[05:38] <jamesh> looks like one failed export holds up the whole queue
[05:38] <jamesh> (or at least this particular type of failed export
[05:38] <stub> You filing a bug or should I?
[05:38] <jamesh> I
[05:38] <jamesh> 'll do it
[05:39] <stub> I'll see if I can clear that item from the queue
[05:40] <jamesh> Bhaskar/stub: for reference, the bug was already reported as https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/81278
[05:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81278 in rosetta "Rosetta PO export is broken" [Critical,In progress]   - Assigned to   (danilo)
[05:40] <jamesh> or at least that bug references the problem
[05:41] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i'll check
[05:50] <stub> Nuked dir54's export requests, and the queue is reprocessing. Might take a while  - bit of a backlog and I don't know if there are other dud entries in the queue that will trigger the bug.
[05:51] <jamesh> stub: was there any details of the failure that'd be worth adding to the bug report?
[05:51] <Bhaskar> jamesh:i think danilo is working
[05:52] <jamesh> Bhaskar: it is 4:50 am in Europe now -- I doubt either Danilo or Carlos are up yet
[05:53] <Bhaskar> jamesh:ok
[05:53] <jamesh> Bhaskar: but as stub said, your export request should get processed now (provided there aren't any more dud exports in the queue)
[05:54] <Bhaskar> jamesh: well,  so i will try to download po 
[05:54] <jamesh> Bhaskar: when you get the email, yes
[05:55] <LaserJock> I think they've been working on the bug since last week
[05:55] <LaserJock> I think
[06:01] <jamesh> LaserJock: yep.  The date on that bug report would indicate that.
[06:01] <Bhaskar> jamesh: export request shouldnot get processed now 
[07:29] <jamesh> stu1: looks like the rosetta export queue script hit another bad export
[07:29] <stu1> Yup
[07:31] <stu1> Giving it another spin now
[07:51] <Bhaskar> jamesh: i got mail from rostetta
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82074 in launchpad "Distributions and distro releases need date they were registered" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82074
[08:57] <mpt> BjornT, can you help me understand tal:condition a bit better?
[08:58] <BjornT> mpt: sure. what about it don't you understand?
[08:59] <mpt> BjornT, for products and distributions, context/bugcontact exists
[08:59] <mpt> For distro releases, context/bugcontact does not exist, but context/distribution/bugcontact does
[09:00] <mpt> So around the markup that displays the bug contact, I want tal:define="bugcontact ..."
[09:00] <mpt> I thought the "..." would be "python:context.bugcontact or context.distribution.bugcontact", but that doesn't work
[09:01] <spiv> mpt: if context/bugcontact does not exist, then "python:context.bugcontact" would give an error before evaluating the "or context.distribution.bugcontact".
[09:01] <BjornT> no, that won't work, since the first condition might fail with an AttributeError, since the 'bugcontact' attribute doesn't exist
[09:01] <mpt> yeah
[09:02] <spiv> Perhaps nested tal:conditions are needed?
[09:03] <mpt> Well, that would mean repeating all the display code, wouldn't it?
[09:03] <BjornT> mpt: you should be able to do tal:condition="context/bugcontact|context/distribution/bugcontact", although i wouldn't say that it's really readable, but it should be ok for now.
[09:04] <BjornT> mpt: basically it means that if context has a 'bugcontact' attribute, use context.bugcontact, otherwise use context.distribution.bugcontact
[09:05] <spiv> Or similarly unreadably, tal:define="bugcontactmaybe context/bugcontact|nothing bugcontact bugcontactmaybe|context/distribution/bugcontact"
[09:05] <spiv> I prefer BjornT's flavour of unreadability, I think :)
[09:06] <mpt> Well, your flavour has the advantage that it would be less code inside that element, possibly
[09:06] <mpt> hmm
[09:06] <spiv> :)
[09:06] <BjornT> spiv: your solution won't work, since bugcontactmaybe always will be defined, so the last expression will always be equal to 'bugcontact bugcontactmabye'
[09:07] <spiv> BjornT: ah, my page template skills are showing their rust!
[09:07] <mpt> BjornT, I think that's what http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/ruslan_spivak/2005_03_03_tal_condition is talking about
[09:08] <spiv> mpt: anyway, you could use BjornT's version inside a tal:define too, if you that's what's worrying you.
[09:08] <mpt> ok, I'll try that...
[09:09] <spiv> mpt: yeah, that's the problem in my suggestion, and his workaround would do the trick, but make it even more unreadable :)
[09:09] <BjornT> mpt: right. it's a common mistake to assume that '|' is equal to python's 'or'. what it really means is that 'if the attribute doesn't exist, do what's following |'
[09:11] <mpt> Perhaps TAL should have used a different symbol for that :-)
[09:12] <mpt> all righty, that works
[09:12] <mpt> Thank you BjornT and spiv
[09:16] <BjornT> mpt: np. btw, the more readable solution would be to create a method on the view class that gets the bug contact.
[09:22] <jamesh> or contacts
[09:31] <carlos_> morning!
[09:36] <jamesh> carlos: it seems that bug 81278 hit the rosetta export queue again over the weekend
[09:36] <Ubugtu> Bug 81278 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/81278 is private
[09:36] <carlos> jamesh: actually, I think danilo didn't finished fixing it
[09:37] <ddaa> Good morning folks.
[09:37] <carlos> I mean, I'm not sure whether he merged it into rocketfuel and requested a cherrypick 
[09:37] <jamesh> carlos: yeah.  It was a MOCompilationError error
[09:37] <carlos> right, he missed one path that raises such exception
[09:37] <jamesh> carlos: stub cleared a few entries from the queue so that the remaining entries could be processed
[09:38] <carlos> and I gave him some code to stop breaking with other exceptions, we log them and don't break
[09:38] <carlos> so we can improve the script without having it broken
[09:38] <carlos> jamesh: oh, cool
[09:39] <carlos> stu1: are you around?
[09:40] <carlos> hmm
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #74718 in malone "Software Bugs pages need pie chart of bugs per status" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74718
[10:05] <lifeless> review team meeting in 1 hr
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82090 in blueprint "Person Blueprints page needs list of latest touched blueprints" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82090
[10:32] <LaserJock> hello matthewrevell 
[10:33] <matthewrevell> LaserJock: hi
[10:34] <ddaa> matthewrevell: can you please pick a shorter IRC nick name?
[10:35] <ddaa> this one screws up the UI in my IRC clients...
[10:35] <SteveA> stu1: hi
[10:35] <matthewrevell> ddaa: I'll bear it in mind :)
[10:35] <ddaa> like mrevell or thewrev, or whateverell
[10:35] <matthewrevell> ddaa: What does it do to the UI?
[10:35] <ddaa> hu, not whateverell, that's too long...
[10:36] <ddaa> generally, takes too much horizontal space
[10:36] <ddaa> in xchat, makes the IRC column too wide (less space for actual chat text)
[10:37] <ddaa> in gaim, either makes the (vertical) tabs too wide, or takes too much space with horizontal tabs
[10:37] <ddaa> it's just generally annoying...
[10:38] <jamesh> ddaa: you can tell xchat not to indent nicks
[10:38] <ddaa> jamesh: I have not seen that option in xchat-gnome
[10:38] <ddaa> I guess it got left out in the gnomification
[10:39] <jamesh> quite likely
[10:39] <ddaa> I have got limited brain space to spend on remembering the location of checkboxes and stuff, I like GNOME for that
[10:40] <matthewrevell> ddaa: It's the first time I've had any complaints, so I'll weigh that against the time it'd take to let people know etc.
[10:41] <ddaa> matthewrevell: I cannot imagine how anybody using gaim, who does private chats with you, can not be annoyed
[10:41] <ddaa> it really screws up the tabbed UI
[10:41] <matthewrevell> ddaa: Yeah, but we know that's not down to my nick :)
[10:42] <matthewrevell> ddaa: Plus, gaim is teh suxxor (I believe that's the official term).
[10:42] <matthewrevell> for irc, that is
[10:42] <matthewrevell> Okay, I'll give it some thought.
[10:42] <ddaa> I just guess people did not mention it out of laziness and for fear of being an annoying ass hole
[10:42] <ddaa> since I'm already an official annoying ass hole, I'm not worried
[10:42] <matthewrevell> ha :)
[10:49] <lifeless> review meeting in 10
[10:52] <Bhaskar> carlos:hello
[10:52] <carlos> Bhaskar: hi
[10:54] <Bhaskar> carlos: there is error while downloading mo and po? not getting response from rosetta
[10:54] <carlos> Bhaskar: yes, there is a problem right now
[10:54] <carlos> we are working on fixing it
[10:54] <Bhaskar> carlos:well
[11:02] <lifeless> hi
[11:02] <lifeless> review team meeting time
[11:03] <carlos> stub: ping
[11:03] <jamesh> hi
[11:03] <lifeless> == Agenda ==
[11:03] <lifeless>  * Roll call
[11:03] <lifeless>  * Next meeting
[11:03] <lifeless>  * Queue status.
[11:04] <BjornT_> hi
[11:04] <lifeless> I'm here
[11:04] <spiv> I'm here.
[11:04] <SteveA> hi
[11:05] <jamesh> I'm here
[11:05] <lifeless> the queue is rather unhelathy at the moment
[11:05] <lifeless> 9 branches are over our target 
[11:06] <lifeless> 7 under
[11:06] <lifeless> david - are your cscvs-pyrex-branches for steve still relevant ?
[11:06] <spiv> I was meaning to do the follow-up review of tim/launchpad/simple in person last week, but we were both too busy on other things.  I'll call thumper tomorrow and finish that off.
[11:07] <lifeless> jamesh: what about cprov/launchpad/trivialities ?
[11:07] <lifeless> 37 days seems .. extreme
[11:07] <spiv> I have a review of salgado/launchpad/mirror-prober-trivialities about 80% done.
[11:07] <jamesh> lifeless: I'll do cprov's reviews tomorrow
[11:08] <spiv> The rest of mine are on target.
[11:08] <lifeless> we have three reviews I haven't assigned because the reviewer queue is saturated
[11:09] <lifeless> are you all doing 2 reviews a day ? (modulo being at sprints - I realise last week was hectic for all)
[11:09] <jamesh> I can take some.
[11:10] <lifeless> jamesh: two more added
[11:11] <lifeless> BjornT has 2600 lines to review
[11:11] <lifeless> I'll give the last branch to flacoaste
[11:11] <lifeless> meh, flacoste
[11:12] <BjornT> i'll try to do 1-2 reviews a day this week.
[11:12] <lifeless> please do, and let me & your manager know if the time burden is too great.
[11:12] <lifeless> FiF has increased the review load significantly, but with smaller branches
[11:13] <lifeless> so I feel that 2 a day should be fairly easy compared to the 1 larger branch a day we had before
[11:13] <lifeless> I'd really like us to have all the > 1 week old branches done for the next meeting.
[11:13] <lifeless> Does everyone think we can achieve tht ?
[11:14] <spiv> I can do that.
[11:15] <jamesh> okay
[11:16] <lifeless> BjornT: ?
[11:16] <BjornT> i have my doubts, since the last time we agreed to do 2 reviews a day didn't improve the queue status that much
[11:16] <lifeless> BjornT: thats true. But we did also have three reviewers on sprint.
[11:16] <lifeless> you, jamesh, spiv.
[11:17] <BjornT> lifeless: yes, but the week before the sprint was the week that we should have done 2 reviews a day.
[11:17] <spiv> I was a slacker on reviews that week :(
[11:18] <lifeless> we seem to have 4-5 new reviews a day
[11:18] <lifeless> 2 a day should keep us ahead.
[11:18] <BjornT> it shouldn't be impossible to catch up, though, if everyone do their best.
[11:22] <jamesh> anything else?
[11:22] <lifeless> ok,  I hin we are done
[11:22] <lifeless> 5
[11:22] <lifeless> 7
[11:22] <lifeless> 3
[11:22] <lifeless> 9
[11:22] <lifeless> 1
[11:22] <lifeless> thanks for coming
[11:25] <jamesh> BjornT: btw, is there anything more you want me to change in my jamesh/launchpad/url-utils branch?
[11:26] <BjornT> jamesh: sorry, i meant to reply to that one last week, but didn't have time. i'll take a last look at the branch and i'll send a reply today.
[11:26] <jamesh> BjornT: thank you
[11:37] <SteveA> stub: ping
[12:30] <oojah> Hi
[12:30] <oojah> Is there a policy/procedure for asking for a project to be added to launchpad?
[12:33] <matthewrevell> oojah: Hi - the best place to ask for any help is in here, or on the launchpad-users mailing list. What project are you planning to add and which parts of Launchpad do you want to use?
[12:34] <matthewrevell> oojah: To get going, though, simply register your project at https://launchpad.net/products/+new
[12:35] <matthewrevell> However, if you want to register a new project, you need to log a request, which I can help you do.
[12:35] <oojah> matthewrevell: I've already registered a bunch of products for using rosetta (which is a fantastic tool), I was meaning the launchpad meaning of project.
[12:36] <matthewrevell> oojah: Ah, in that case, it's best to register a support request in the Answer Tracker https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[12:37] <oojah> Ok, thanks very much. 
[12:38] <matthewrevell> No probs
[01:09] <kiko> morning 
[01:33] <pochu> kiko: ping?
[01:34] <kiko> hey pochu 
[01:34] <pochu> hi kiko!
[01:35] <pochu> kiko: what about bug 78885?
[01:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78885 in liferea "no translation template for liferea 1.2 series" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78885
[01:35] <kiko> how's it going?
[01:35] <pochu> kiko: danilos said: We need liferea maintainer to say that they want to use Rosetta for translations officially (to avoid having people translate it here, yet ending up not used anywhere).
[01:36] <pochu> so I talked to the liferea's developer
[01:36] <pochu> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=581684&aid=1645283&group_id=87005
[01:36] <pochu> kiko: and he said yes to the rosseta translations
[01:37] <kiko> that's great news
[01:37] <pochu> kiko: he said no?
[01:37] <pochu> I didn't realiced
[01:37] <pochu> BTW I read the comments in Launchpad #78885 and just wanted to say that
[01:37] <pochu> there is no intention to move to Rosetta. We had a discussion on the
[01:37] <pochu> mailing list some time ago and the consensus was it would bother some
[01:37] <pochu> translators spending extra effort on a web interface (compared to a text
[01:37] <pochu> editor and sending a mail).
[01:38] <kiko> pochu, well, he's perhaps confused -- he can use Rosetta as an additional way to translate his software, instead of having to move all translators over.
[01:38] <pochu> then, what should we do?
[01:39] <pochu> what I can't understand is why 1.0.x series where in rosetta
[01:39] <pochu> were*
[01:40] <pochu> kiko: maybe you can write a comment on the sourceforge's ticket
[01:40] <kiko> pochu, anyway, if the translation template is incllluded in the source the ubuntu package should get its translation imported when it's next packaged and uploaded to ubuntu
[01:41] <pochu> kiko: (my bad english): then are you saying that in the next upload, liferea will be in rosetta?
[01:41] <kiko> well
[01:42] <kiko> more or less.
[01:42] <kiko> packages in ubuntu (the .debs) and upstream products (the .tar.gzs) can be translated separately
[01:42] <pochu> that sounds good :)
[01:43] <kiko> right now the debs can't be translated because they are not being imported
[01:43] <kiko> I suspect this is because they don't include a pot file, but carlos would need to confirm that for me
[01:43] <carlos> kiko: no, the reason is that we cannot use language packs for them
[01:43] <kiko> as for your question, it's indeed curious why the upstream 1.0 was translatable but 1.1 isn't
[01:43] <kiko> carlos, why not?
[01:43] <kiko> danilos!
[01:44] <danilos> kiko: hey
[01:44] <carlos> kiko: oh, you are talking not just about .deb template translations, but the software itself
[01:45] <kiko> carlos, about package translations, really.
[01:45] <kiko> well about both, yeah, the backlog might help. :)
[01:48] <ddaa> hey kiko, in case somebody at async wants a launchpad import of kiwi
[01:48] <ddaa> the import failed because the svn server randomly closes the connection
[01:48] <carlos> pochu: I don't find anything about lifearea in Launchpad/Rosetta so I don't think it was imported ever
[01:49] <ddaa> until cscvs can cope better with flaky servers, I can sidestep the problem if you give me a dump of the svn repository
[01:49] <carlos> pochu: about the coordination we ask to do the import as a product, we need that someone from the maintainers of lifearea (or someone in their name) will upload .pot updates and any .po file updates done outside Rosetta
[01:50] <carlos> pochu: and also, that will get a full export from Rosetta and sync that into lifearea source tree
[01:50] <carlos> pochu: so we are sure that people will not waste their time in something that is not being used by lifearea developers
[01:51] <pochu> carlos: I don't know why now there isn't a template, but some time ago there was one (I translated it)
[01:51] <pochu> https://translations.launchpad.net/liferea/1.0/+pots/liferea/es
[01:52] <carlos> pochu: if they don't want to obligate their translators to use Rosetta, that's fine, as long as we setup it to block any language translator that is not being done directly in Rosetta, so the election of whether Rosetta will be used or not is done per language team
[01:52] <carlos> hmm
[01:52] <carlos> oh, it's liferea, not lifearea!
[01:53] <kiko> ddaa, sure I can get you a dump of the repository -- johan, the person requesting it, can too
[01:53] <ddaa> kiko: whoever, just letting you know, since I know you know how to get it going :)
[01:55] <carlos> pochu: liferea is already using Rosetta...
[01:56] <carlos> pochu: as you stated...
[01:59] <danilos> carlos: for the record, I think liferea, as part of universe in pre-feisty, was once available in rosetta, but later hidden
[01:59] <carlos> pochu: I'm updating the bug
[01:59] <pochu> carlos: ok
[01:59] <carlos> danilos: it's available as a product
[01:59] <pochu> carlos: then can I translate it?
[01:59] <pochu> I can't find a template for 1.2
[02:00] <carlos> not yet, let me add my comment
[02:00] <carlos> The fact that someone imported 1.0 and then left it behind is exactly why we ask you to contact its maintainers
[02:00] <carlos> to prevent this to happen
[02:02] <pochu> carlos: have you seen the sourceforge url?
[02:03] <carlos> pochu: not yet...
[02:04] <pochu> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=581684&aid=1645283&group_id=87005
[02:05] <carlos> yeah, I read it already
[02:05] <carlos> so they accept the import, ok
[02:06] <carlos> the question is, who will take the responsibility to do the sync rosetta <-> liferea ?
[02:07] <carlos> pochu: anyway, we will import it for Ubuntu once Feisty is open to translations
[02:07] <pochu> carlos: I can do it
[02:07] <carlos> as it's not in main
[02:07] <pochu> carlos: it's in main
[02:07] <pochu> !info liferea feisty
[02:07] <kiko> carlos, is it not in main?
[02:07] <carlos> s/not/now/
[02:08] <carlos> kiko: in Feisty, yes
[02:08] <carlos> pochu: yeah, just a typo
[02:08] <kiko> carlos, also, note that the template was missing from the source, so we need to make sure a more recent version is packaged, right?
[02:08] <kiko> carlos, pretty serious typo :)
[02:08] <carlos> kiko: it's already fixed
[02:08] <carlos> or the Ubuntu bug says that
[02:08] <kiko> carlos, oh?
[02:08] <carlos> pochu: my next question is
[02:09] <pochu> there was an upload
[02:09] <carlos> pochu: Do you know the difference between translate in Ubuntu and in a product?
[02:10] <pochu> carlos: not sure :)
[02:10] <pochu> carlos: but you can explain it to me :)
[02:10] <carlos> pochu: if something is available to translate in Ubuntu
[02:11] <carlos> we don't ask anything from the maintainers, we just do it for Ubuntu and ask Ubuntu translators to coordinate with translators of the package outside Ubuntu
[02:11] <carlos> we only do that for main packages and that's why liferea is not yet imported for Ubuntu
[02:11] <carlos> in the other side
[02:11] <carlos> we have the 'products' space, where there are translations that are not directly related with Ubuntu
[02:12] <pochu> oh, and liferea was a product, right?
[02:12] <carlos> in this case, we ask for someone to talk with the developers, in this case, of liferea
[02:12] <carlos> right
[02:12] <kiko> pochu, well launchpad.net/liferea was a product, yes.
[02:13] <carlos> kiko: and  the translations we have right now is for it: https://translations.launchpad.net/liferea/1.0/+pots/liferea/
[02:13] <kiko> right
[02:13] <carlos> pochu: so, if it's imported in Ubuntu, will you want to import it as a product too?
[02:14] <pochu> carlos: that would be fine
[02:14] <pochu> but I've never done it, so I may need some advices :)
[02:15] <carlos> pochu: if your only goal is to have it translated in Ubuntu, as the developers of liferea are not interested on using Rosetta as the only way to do translations, there would be some conflicts with translations that you want to deal with and we don't want orphaned translations (like liferea had before you come to rescue)
[02:16] <carlos> so my advice would be, just go with Ubuntu version until there are more non Ubuntu translators interested on liferea
[02:16] <carlos> but it's your decision
[02:16] <pochu> carlos: then when feisty translations will open, liferea template will be there, right?
[02:17] <carlos> right
[02:17] <carlos> and will be used in Ubuntu as part of language packs
[02:17] <pochu> ok, then I'll wait :)
[02:17] <kiko> ddaa, <jdahlin> http://www.async.com.br/projects/kiwi/kiwi-r5630.svndump.gz 5.4M
[02:17] <carlos> ok, thanks for your help clarifying all this
[02:18] <pochu> thanks to you :)
[02:18] <ddaa> kiko: thanks, put in in a note. Will handle it next time I do imports herding.
[02:19] <kiko> ddaa, it actually ends with a bz2
[02:19] <ddaa> ack
[02:19] <kiko> ddaa, and you might want to download it preemptively as the download may take time
[02:27] <kiko> hey
[02:27] <kiko> do we have a question icon for places where we want people to help us?
[02:41] <static> good morning!
[02:42] <kiko> hey static 
[02:42] <kiko> what's the stor
[02:42] <kiko> y
[02:43] <static> looks like it was a busy weekend for reviewing launchpad design ;)
[02:44] <kiko> static, *yawn*
[02:44] <kiko> I went to fashion shows
[02:45] <static> fashion shows, really!? that sounds fun
[02:45] <kiko> enjoyed watching beautiful anorexic women dressed in extravagant clothing
[02:45] <kiko> and watching the even more beautiful non-anorexic women watching it
[02:45] <kiko> I now know something about fashion, haute couture and ready-to-wear.
[02:48] <static> we'll have to coordinate before the next meeting we both attend so that we don't wear the same designer ;)
[02:50] <kiko> static, it hasn't trickled into my wardrobe though
[03:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #81158 in rosetta "Greek language name shouldn't be "Greek, Modern (1453-)"" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81158
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82133 in rosetta "Warn translators of unofficial projects their work won't be pushed upstream" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82133
[04:20] <static> hey there CardinalFang
[04:21] <oojah> Grr
[04:23] <oojah> I've done something stupid - filed rosetta feature enhancement as a support request instead of as a bug.
[04:24] <oojah> I've closed it as fixed and created as a bug report (that's a very neat feature)
[04:25] <kiko> cool
[04:29] <CardinalFang> Very minor complaint:  In the beta, I think the  Preview / Code / Bug Reports...  images are too large.  On the "front" page, sure, it makes sense to be that prominent, but once I'm (e.g.) searching bugs, that's a lot of real estate to dedicate to the idea that there are other features of the site.
[04:31] <CardinalFang> "Translations" is missing its icing at the top.
[04:34] <pochu> !info smart feisty
[04:34] <pochu> sorry
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82137 in rosetta "Provide support for translating java .properties files" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82137
[05:22] <SteveA> hi barry!
[05:27] <lifeless> barry: hi!
[05:27] <barry> hi SteveA and lifeless !
[05:28] <LarstiQ> hi all :)
[05:31] <mrevell> Hey barry - welcome :)
[05:31] <barry> hi!
[05:31] <oojah> I've been asked by one of the guys on my project about the licence and copyright implications of using Rosetta, specificaly he is under the impression that Canonical retain copyright and that there is no control over the licencing for us.
[05:32] <oojah> He's tried finding this out for himself without much luck, is there anywhere I find answers?
[05:33] <LarstiQ> oojah: that's not the intent, you should be able to use your translation work
[05:33] <oojah> LarstiQ: Of course :)
[05:34] <oojah> I'd just like something to point him at to keep his (our) minds at rest.
[05:34] <LarstiQ> oojah: I can't put your mind at ease just yet, but kiko or danilo should be able to.
[05:36] <danilos> oojah: we are currently in the process of improving this; rosetta FAQ simply says that translations will be licensed under the license of the project itself
[05:36] <danilos> oojah: if your project has special requirements such as requiring copyright assignments, we can handle that as well (iow, restrict translation only to those you'd like to have)
[05:37] <oojah> Who does the copyright go to at the moment?
[05:37] <danilos> oojah: tricky bit is that the exported PO files contain 'copyright (c)Canonical and Rosetta contributors', and that's one of the bits we want to improve: explain that this only means "copyright over the compilation/aggregate work", not over individual translations
[05:38] <danilos> oojah: well, it stays with the translators
[05:38] <danilos> oojah: since that's how copyright law works
[05:38] <danilos> oojah: if you want anyone else to get copyright, you must have written and signed copyright assignments
[05:38] <oojah> danilos: That's what I'd expected as well and is exactly what we want.
[05:38] <danilos> oojah: yeah, we haven't made it clear enough so far, I am glad it will work out for you :)
[05:39] <oojah> Thanks very much - I think you've covered everything I need there.
[05:40] <danilos> oojah: no problem, feel free to come forward with any queries you might have
[05:40] <oojah> Sure thing.
[05:50] <kiko> hey barry 
[05:50] <kiko> how's the weather up north
[05:50] <kiko> it is raining cats and dogs all january
[05:50] <kiko> in the fair estate of so carlos
[05:51] <barry> hi kiko, it's cold today.  we've been having spring and summer-like weather until just a few weeks ago.  only one snow storm of about 3", so i'm still looking for that real winter experience
[05:52] <kiko> my sister lives up in minnesota and she says it is absolutely arctic up there today
[05:53] <barry> the weather patterns in dc have been very weird this year
[05:54] <barry> but i guess if you've had domestic animals falling from the sky, you could say the same thing :)
[05:54] <kiko> barry, seriously?
[05:55] <barry> kidding
[05:55] <barry> (raining cats and dogs)
[05:57] <barry> kiko: what's your gpg keyid?  also do you know stevea's keyid off hand?
[05:59] <kiko> barry, yeah. mine is 1024D/40FFD731. SteveA's non-revoked one (doh) is 1024D/51F32496
[05:59] <barry> cool, got 'em, thanks
[06:00] <kiko> I thought that was a bizarre reference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raining_animals. I am not wearing my brain the right way today
[06:01] <ddaa> hey barry
[06:01] <ddaa> barry: welcome aboard
[06:01] <kiko> SteveA, so about the lockfile, it's being moved out from under my feet, so filehandle.name points to where the filehandle thought it used to point to
[06:01] <kiko> not very useful
[06:01] <ddaa> barry: got to say one thing about your work
[06:02] <barry> oh that is so weird!  i hadn't seen that page, but i'd heard about the phenomenon 
[06:02] <ddaa> Jython is the only thing that made my CORBA assignment at school bearable
[06:02] <ddaa> because it was supposed to be in Java at first
[06:02] <ddaa> so I first did it with some fancy python corba bindings that imports the IDL file directly
[06:03] <ddaa> then the teacher told me that we had to use the Java classes
[06:03] <barry> hi ddaa -- thanks!  i wish i still had time to be involved in jython, but i agree, it's sooooo much better to use than writing straight up java :)
[06:03] <ddaa> so... well, I did use the Java classes, using Jython :)
[06:03] <barry> lol
[06:04] <ddaa> I did not have a very good mark for this, because I was obviously bending the rules, but on the other hand the guys who managed the class was interested in Python, so he compromised :)
[06:04] <barry> :)
[06:04] <ddaa> that's one of my fondest memories from school :)
[07:05] <LaserJock> morning Launchpad people
[07:05] <kiko> morning LaserJock 
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82161 in launchpad "Show the pillar's emblems on the +search page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82161
[08:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #40165 in malone "Attachment not taken into account for your karma" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40165
[08:45] <somerville32> I wish bug mails would tell me WHY I'm getting a bug mail
[08:45] <somerville32> Sometimes it isn't easy to tell
[08:49] <LaserJock> somerville32: that's a filed bug
[08:49] <somerville32> Oh, awesome :)
[09:56] <Zerlinna> hello, who's the one I can ask smt about launchpad? :-)
[09:58] <salgado> Zerlinna, just ask! somebody will surely be able to help. :)
[09:58] <Zerlinna> salgado I hope so ;)
[09:58] <Zerlinna> well, I'm a kubuntu member and I'd like to get my alias @kubuntu.org to work
[09:59] <salgado> Zerlinna, how long since you became a kubuntu member?
[10:00] <Zerlinna> the email-address I used when I registered my nick in launchpad is not working anymore.. I changed the address yesterday, but launchpad obviously did not yet update because I always get a "returned to sender"
[10:00] <salgado> right, the update takes some time
[10:01] <Zerlinna> salgado: isn't it once a day?
[10:01] <salgado> I'm not sure, to be honest
[10:02] <salgado> elmo, I guess what Zerlinna is experiencing is expected, right?
[10:02] <Zerlinna> hmm... I'm waiting for about 22 hrs now, I suppose I have to wait some more time.. ?
[10:03] <LaserJock> Zerlinna: your @kubuntu.org was working?
[10:04] <Zerlinna> LaserJock: I suppose it would work because the error message comes from my former address
[10:06] <LaserJock> whenever I've had to change the redirect for my @ubuntu.com I've had to file a RT request for the sysadmins
[10:06] <Zerlinna> RT?
[10:06] <LaserJock> reuest tracker/ticket
[10:07] <Zerlinna> how do I do that?
[10:08] <LaserJock> LP admins have done it for me
[10:08] <Zerlinna> ...and who is an LP admin I ask? 
[10:08] <Zerlinna> +can
[10:13] <Zerlinna> LaserJock: or is it better just to ask on the mailinglist?
[10:26] <LaserJock> Zerlinna: yeah, might be better
[10:26] <Zerlinna> LaserJock: ok.. thank you, anyway 
[11:04] <kalosaurusrex> are there any admins on?