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[12:37] <alefteris> hi
[12:37] <troy_s> hello alefteris
[12:38] <alefteris> is this the command to check out the feisty gdm theme bzr checkout http://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/+branch/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:41] <alefteris> when i issue the command it just creates an ubuntu folder and then waits..
[12:41] <alefteris> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Error retrieving http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu/.bzr/repository/knits/56/session1.png-20061002182018-mm10hee25yypwplv-17.knit: <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known')> <urlopen error (-2, 'Name or service not known')>
[12:41] <alefteris> i get this
[12:42] <alefteris> also, does the source include the svg files?
[12:43] <troy_s> hrm
[12:44] <troy_s> do you have the proper address first (looks good)
[12:44] <troy_s> give it a few minutes alefteris then try it again
[12:44] <troy_s> have you adjusted python on your system at all?
[12:44] <alefteris> no
[12:44] <troy_s> that should work then
[12:44] <troy_s> so try it again
[12:45] <troy_s> erm
[12:45] <troy_s> maybe... i think your source is off.
[12:45] <troy_s> hold on.
[12:45] <alefteris> should be https or http?
[12:46] <troy_s> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:46] <troy_s> did you rread the tutorial on how to get the proper url?
[12:46] <troy_s> First, go to www.launchpad.net/products and search for the product
[12:46] <troy_s> once you have the product, click the link
[12:46] <troy_s> click the "CODE" link from there in the left panel
[12:47] <troy_s> from the list of branches that appear
[12:47] <troy_s> select ONE
[12:47] <troy_s> (with feisty-gdm-themes there is only one so don't worry)
[12:47] <alefteris> thats what i did
[12:47] <troy_s> then look
[12:47] <troy_s> at the 'hosted on launchpad' link
[12:47] <troy_s> directly under the caption at the top
[12:47] <troy_s> that will give you the official link
[12:47] <troy_s> in this case
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[12:47] <troy_s> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:47] <troy_s> so all you need to do is issue a
[12:47] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:48] <troy_s> and you will pull the head branch
[12:48] <troy_s> oki?
[12:49] <troy_s> alefteris: ?
[12:51] <troy_s> and no, it should... but i don't believe it includes the bloody sources to the svg
[12:52] <troy_s> i sent a mail to who, but i don't know if it got around to being included.
[12:52] <alefteris> troy_s, im still getting this error
[12:52] <alefteris> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Error retrieving http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu/.bzr/branch-format: <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')> <urlopen error (-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')>
[12:53] <troy_s> so you aren't able to get hte ip
[12:53] <troy_s> that would probably be a temporary errro
[12:53] <troy_s> either your dns is flailing right now
[12:53] <troy_s> or the dns that hosts the bazaar.launchpad.net name is flailing.
[12:53] <alefteris> must be mine then :(
[12:53] <troy_s> appears so
[12:53] <troy_s> i can ping it just fine
[12:53] <alefteris> so the svg is incuded?
[12:53] <troy_s> try pinging it
[12:54] <troy_s> i don't believe so.
[12:54] <troy_s> which is completely unfortunate.
[12:55] <alefteris> its wird, i can ping  bazaar.launchpad.net
[12:56] <troy_s> and you did the exact
[12:56] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[12:56] <troy_s> ?
[12:56] <troy_s> perhaps your python got borked?
[12:57] <troy_s> try re-installing your python package.
[12:58] <alefteris> ok thanks
[12:58] <troy_s> no work?
[12:58] <troy_s> or workie?
[12:59] <alefteris> must be something wronk with my networking..
[12:59] <troy_s> very strange error though
[12:59] <alefteris> thanks for the help Trae
[12:59] <troy_s> i know that it _could_ be python
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[01:02] <lizardking__> troy_s: I'm in
[01:02] <troy_s> greets lizardking__
[01:02] <alefteris> ok i tryed the same link in firefox and a get an emptry apache file directory page
[01:02] <troy_s> alefteris: i would start with re-installing python
[01:02] <troy_s> just a hunch
[01:03] <troy_s> but it sounds like your python _may_ have gotten borked
[01:03] <alefteris> ok
[01:04] <lizardking__> alefteris: can U pass me the launchpad link that does not work?
[01:04] <troy_s> bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/feisty-gdm-themes/ubuntu
[01:05] <troy_s> alefteris is trying to do that.
[01:05] <lizardking__> thnx
[01:05] <troy_s> but getting a weird error
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[01:06] <lizardking__> i'm here Fetch phase 1/4
[01:07] <lizardking__> finished. it works for me
[01:10] <troy_s> lizardking__: i think it is alefteris's python or something
[01:10] <lizardking__> alefteris: what's yours bzr --version command ?
[01:10] <lizardking__> alefteris: mine is
[01:11] <lizardking__> Sei lizardking in ~/Desktop >bzr --version
[01:11] <lizardking__> Bazaar (bzr) 0.14.0
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using python interpreter: /usr/bin/python2.4
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.4
[01:11] <lizardking__> Using bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib
[01:11] <alefteris> Bazaar (bzr) 0.11.0
[01:11] <alefteris> Using python interpreter: /usr/bin/python
[01:11] <alefteris> Using python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.4
[01:11] <alefteris> Using bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/bzrlib
[01:12] <troy_s> erm your bzr looks dated
[01:12] <troy_s> alef
[01:12] <lizardking__> alefteris: try to update bzr
[01:12] <troy_s> your bzr is way old :)
[01:12] <lizardking__> wait..
[01:13] <alefteris> its the edgy version
[01:13] <troy_s> how strange
[01:13] <troy_s> i recalled the .14
[01:13] <lizardking__> alefteris: follow this sources.list istructions http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads
[01:13] <troy_s> let me try a pull
[01:13] <lizardking__> alefteris: ;)
[01:16] <troy_s> mine appears to have pulled fine
[01:16] <troy_s> i am pretty sure it is alefteris's python
[01:16] <troy_s> something is borked
[01:19] <lizardking__> troy_s: Do you know some news about artwork package parser?
[01:26] <alefteris> ok its working :)
[01:26] <lizardking__> alefteris: ;)
[01:34] <lizardking__> i'm going to sleep. tomorrow university :(
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[07:10] <klepas> anyone awake?
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[07:20] <BHSPitMonkey> nope
[07:23] <klepas> hey, how's it going :)
[07:23] <klepas> moin darkmatter
[07:24] <darkmatter> hey... not bad.. just woke from a lil shuteye
[07:24] <darkmatter> how are y'all doin today?
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[07:28] <klepas> ah, pretty good
[07:28] <klepas> at work atm :)
[07:32] <darkmatter> ahhh
[07:32] <darkmatter> I see :)
[07:32] <klepas> darkmatter: do you use the tango icons from cvs or a pre-packaged set?
[07:34] <darkmatter> tango and gnome from cvs/svn, as well as suse's industrial (the new version... tangoed)
[07:34] <klepas> mhh i haven't seen those
[07:34] <klepas> where can i best get my hands on 'em, preferably from svn/cvs
[07:35] <darkmatter> industrial??? I just ripped them from an rpm... one sec.. I'll find the beasty
[07:37] <klepas> cheers :)
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[05:16] <nysosym> hi all :)
[05:17] <nysosym> what do u think about many more black in the ubuntu default style?
[05:20] <kwwii> nysosym: do you mean making things much darker?
[05:20] <nysosym> kwwii: yes, splash, gdm, wallpapers
[05:22] <kwwii> not sure about the splash or the gdm but it might be neat on the wallpaper
[05:23] <nysosym> there is a quick and dirty mockup, i think the contrast of orange and black/grew looks very professionell
[05:23] <nysosym> http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotoxnestqp9.png
[05:26] <nysosym> And for wallpapers, i thought on some nice landscapes in black and white
[05:26] <nysosym> Or some pictures of architecture
[05:27] <kwwii> as the colors for the logo are warm, earth tones, I am not soo sure about using that amount of blue
[05:27] <nysosym> blue?
[05:28] <kwwii> well, that grey looks very blue-ish to me
[05:28] <nysosym> hmm maybe a bad configured screen? :D
[05:29] <kwwii> nope, brand new laptop
[05:30] <nysosym> kwwii: hmm sure, but onliy is use the default color palette of black and grey in gimp
[05:33] <nysosym> and here are some types of wallpapers
[05:33] <nysosym> http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wallpapertestky6.jpg
[05:35] <kwwii> the biggest problem with using pics as a default is that they are usually too complicated, they draw the eye too much
[05:36] <kwwii> I do like the idea of making a darker look, but I think it should still have a version in dark, warm colors
[05:36] <nysosym> hmm yes, maybe we should use, some with a low contrast
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[05:36] <nysosym> some smooth landscapes
[05:36] <nysosym> hi PingunZ
[05:36] <PingunZ> hey nysosym
[05:37] <nysosym> PingunZ: black or blue?
[05:37] <nysosym> http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildschirmfotoxnestqp9.png
[05:41] <nysosym> is it me, or comes the feisty artwork very very slow forward?
[05:46] <nysosym> btw. has anyone see fschoep in the last time?
[05:46] <PingunZ> nah
[05:47] <PingunZ> nysosym, pm about that gdm ?
[05:47] <nysosym> PingunZ: yes
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[06:41] <alefteris> anyone here that can help me with the ubuntu moinmoin theme?
[06:45] <PingunZ> what's the problem ?
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[06:47] <PingunZ> hey lizardking
[06:47] <lizardking_> Hi
[06:47] <lizardking_> come back from University
[06:47] <lizardking_> ;)
[06:47] <lizardking_> uff strong day!
[06:48] <lizardking_> i hate monday!
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[06:48] <PingunZ> :)
[06:52] <lizardking_> and late I will going to basketball training...damn, so full life :D
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[07:05] <alefteris> PingunZ, i have a problem with some localised text in the theme py file, it doesnt apear correctly in the browser
[07:05] <PingunZ> hmm
[07:06] <alefteris> the file is saved as utf8, other localised text appears correctry in the wiki..
[07:06] <PingunZ> I have to go, I hope someone can help you
[07:06] <alefteris> its just the text from the theme that doesnt
[07:06] <alefteris> ok
[07:06] <PingunZ> try to google it ?
[07:06] <PingunZ> later
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[07:52] <lizardking_> Somone knows what python package install to run this script? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/+branch/example-look/dev
[07:53] <lizardking_> Sei lizardking in ~/Desktop/dev >python setup.py
[07:53] <lizardking_> Traceback (most recent call last):
[07:53] <lizardking_>   File "setup.py", line 2, in ?
[07:53] <lizardking_>     from DistUtilsExtra.distutils_extra import build_extra, build_l10n
[07:53] <lizardking_> ImportError: No module named DistUtilsExtra.distutils_extra
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[08:14] <alefteris> is it possible to add a glowing effect in letters with inkscape? just like the text in the ubuntu website logo..
[08:14] <alefteris> or i have to go to gimp to make something like that
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[08:41] <troy_s> greets all
[08:43] <alefteris> hi troy_s
[08:44] <troy_s> i wonder if lizardking got his py issues sorted
[08:44] <troy_s> you resolved your bzr issues correct alefteris ?
[08:45] <alefteris> troy_s, yes thank you
[08:45] <alefteris> it was a dns problem after all
[08:45] <troy_s> looked odd.
[08:45] <troy_s> what were you working on?
[08:47] <alefteris> troy_s, a logo for the local community team
[08:48] <alefteris> but i funt the svg from the wiki artwork/input staff
[08:49] <alefteris> now im having truble creating a glow around the letters..
[08:49] <alefteris> :)
[08:49] <troy_s> Erm... where is the source SVG?
[08:49] <troy_s> is it in the package now?
[08:50] <troy_s> a glow is quite simple...
[08:50] <troy_s> Expand the spline in inkscape
[08:50] <troy_s> create the solid of your colour
[08:50] <alefteris> im trying to do it with neon glow plugin
[08:50] <troy_s> Erk no
[08:50] <troy_s> do you just want a white glow?
[08:50] <troy_s> i would do it in inkscape as it is deadly simple if you have the source svg
[08:50] <troy_s> where did you snag the source svg from?
[08:50] <alefteris> one like the ubuntu website logo
[08:50] <troy_s> it SHOULD be included in the package.
[08:50] <troy_s> Try this:
[08:51] <troy_s>  1) Locate the outline of the 'ubuntu' text
[08:51] <troy_s>  2) Duplicate it to a layer lower
[08:51] <alefteris> i found the svg here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/Logo
[08:51] <troy_s>  3) use the outset command to expand it.
[08:52] <troy_s>  4) solid white fill, adjust blur.  Done.
[08:54] <troy_s> Relatively simplistic, but it will get the job done.
[08:54] <troy_s> To polish it, try changing the fill gradient stops
[08:57] <alefteris> troy_s, thanks troy_s i'm gona try it now
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[09:50] <alefteris> troy_s, how should i use the gradients to get the glow effect..
[09:51] <troy_s> well theoretically... you get a glow without them.
[09:51] <troy_s> just expand using outset -- and blur
[09:51] <alefteris> yeao, put looks solid, not like rays
[09:51] <troy_s> uh...
[09:51] <troy_s> send me your png.
[09:51] <troy_s> a png sample
[09:52] <alefteris> just a sec
[09:53] <alefteris> troy_s, http://imagebin.org/7074
[09:55] <troy_s> so make it bigger
[09:55] <troy_s> and blur it more
[09:55] <troy_s> if you want a more subtle glow
[09:57] <alefteris> blur you mean to adust transpanency right?
[09:57] <alefteris> or someting else?
[10:01] <troy_s> no
[10:02] <troy_s> blur
[10:02] <troy_s> sorry alefteris i was in another window
[10:02] <troy_s> in inkscape, open up the stroke / fill dialog
[10:02] <troy_s> and slide the blur slider
[10:02] <troy_s> (not too far obviously ;) )
[10:03] <troy_s> alefteris: what version of inkscape are you running?
[10:03] <alefteris> 0.44
[10:03] <troy_s> so open up the stroke / fill and slide blur
[10:03] <alefteris> its called master opacity the slider you are talking about right?
[10:03] <troy_s> no
[10:04] <troy_s> the one above it
[10:04] <troy_s> if you don't have it
[10:04] <troy_s> compile inkscape yourself.
[10:04] <troy_s> or get a newer version
[10:04] <troy_s> should be directly above the 'master opacity' slider.
[10:05] <alefteris> above it is the Alpha (opacity) spiner
[10:06] <troy_s> hold on...
[10:09] <troy_s> alefteris: http://imagebin.org/7076
[10:09] <troy_s> does your stroke / fill dialog look like that?
[10:10] <alefteris> i dont have this slider
[10:10] <troy_s> ok so you need a newer version of inkscape
[10:10] <alefteris> look like i have an old version of inkscape then
[10:10] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HowToCompileInkscape
[10:11] <troy_s> hopefully that will help you
[10:11] <troy_s> you shouldn't have any problems after that... :)
[10:11] <alefteris> thanks Trae
[10:11] <alefteris> thanks troy_s
[10:11] <alefteris> :)
[10:11] <troy_s> troy_s -- Trae is someone else :)
[10:11] <troy_s> lol
[10:11] <troy_s> damn tab
[10:11] <alefteris> yeah
[10:12] <troy_s> didn't know hitting tab twice cycles through tem
[10:12] <troy_s> the names ...
[10:12] <troy_s> nifty.
[10:12] <troy_s> you can't use inkscape without blur :)
[10:13] <troy_s> it probably one of the most important tools...  you can get photorealistic artwork now.
[10:13] <troy_s> (not that photorealistic is really artwork anyways :P )
[10:14] <alefteris> so troy_s, with the previous version you cant blur or there is no easy to access ui?
[10:14] <troy_s> no blur
[10:14] <kwwii> if only the blur worked a bit faster in inkscape
[10:14] <alefteris> oh
[10:15] <troy_s> kwwii it is lightening fast on mine.
[10:15] <troy_s> but i run the svn and a 64 bit
[10:15] <troy_s> native
[10:15] <troy_s> i don't know if that has much to do with it.
[10:15] <troy_s> alefteris: it had some buggy issues early, now it is pretty flawless regarding rendering.
[10:15] <kwwii> I run svn (daily build) on my brand-spanking new core-due thinkpad, and the refresh is still not the greatest
[10:16] <kwwii> but the effect is something you really cannot easily do wihtout
[10:16] <troy_s> kwwii maybe the 64bit makes a diff... hard to say.  how is that new lappy?
[10:16] <troy_s> kwwii -- they also added that rendering feature for speed which is nice -- change the blur preview quality.
[10:17] <kwwii> it is the first laptop/computer that I have owned in 9 years which "works well" on linux
[10:17] <kwwii> everthing works, out of the box
[10:17] <troy_s> you happy with it?
[10:17] <kwwii> totally
[10:18] <kwwii> of course, I still have my big powerbook and a couple of other macs
[10:18] <kwwii> it is somewhat nicer to draw on a bigger screen
[10:19] <kwwii> I bought the X60s
[10:19] <kwwii> compiz is still blowing my mind
[10:19] <troy_s> you seen metisse yet?
[10:20] <troy_s> i have a couple of 22" widescreens
[10:20] <kwwii> nope, what's that?
[10:20] <troy_s> i still dislike lappies...
[10:20] <troy_s> oh lord...
[10:20] <troy_s> wait till you see this
[10:20] <kwwii> lol
[10:20] <kwwii> well, this computer is the reason that people buy laptops
[10:20] <troy_s> http://insitu.lri.fr/metisse/
[10:20] <troy_s> ?
[10:20] <troy_s> that good eh?
[10:20] <troy_s> make sure you view the videos
[10:21] <kwwii> yepp, and it took me years of buying the wrong ones to figure it out
[10:21] <troy_s> i _almost_ bought an amd64 bual
[10:21] <troy_s> dual core
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[10:21] <troy_s> i simply can't deal with 32 bit sluggy anymore so i am pretty much an amd fanboi.
[10:21] <kwwii> looks cool
[10:21] <troy_s> look at the vids
[10:21] <troy_s> ;)
[10:22] <troy_s> wait until you see the videos of it in action.
[10:22] <kwwii> that was what I was just doing :-)
[10:22] <kwwii> only thing I saw until now
[10:22] <troy_s> it is very cool
[10:22] <kwwii> looks like it does a lot
[10:22] <troy_s> the pager kills compiz/beryl.
[10:23] <troy_s> and it has a user interface element that makes it actually useful
[10:23] <troy_s> as opposed to silly
[10:25] <troy_s> pretty cool eh?
[10:26] <kwwii> an interesting format for future works
[10:26] <kwwii> more than one given thing
[10:27] <kwwii> very interesting
[10:27] <troy_s> well the interesting thing is that it isn't just bloody useless 3d accelleration
[10:27] <troy_s> it actually _does_ something useful
[10:27] <kwwii> true
[10:27] <troy_s> the mirror thing is pretty interesting too
[10:28] <troy_s> although the wing windows is probably the best.
[10:28] <kwwii> the video downloads very slowly
[10:30] <kwwii> some of the mandriva stuff is kinda silly thought
[10:30] <kwwii> though
[10:30] <troy_s> much of everything is silly
[10:30] <troy_s> in particular, what do you think is silly?
[10:32] <kwwii> well, the idea that someone would click through a menu that was at 45 where you cannot read the text
[10:32] <troy_s> i don't think the video does it justice
[10:33] <troy_s> try compiling it.
[10:33] <troy_s> fecking pypanel
[10:33] <troy_s> i can't get the sucker to launch and it is driving me bonkers.
[10:35] <kwwii> the table-top stuff looks killer
[10:36] <kwwii> if only there was a system to really use that
[10:36] <kwwii> time for bed here
[10:37] <troy_s> night kwwii
[10:37] <kwwii> see you tomorrow
[10:37] <troy_s> yes there are some very killer elements to it
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[11:36] <lizardking> hi
[11:36] <lizardking> come back to basket training
[11:36] <lizardking> yeah I try matiss and it is very very interesting and usable 3d project. for some aspect better than compiz
[11:39] <alefteris> troy_s, inkscape still compiling :) it takes ages in my machine
[11:43] <alefteris> if i import a pixmap into inscape, it tracks it down with absolute paths? is ti posible to embed the imported files then when saving in some other format?
[11:47] <alefteris> WARNING: Bad markup found in translations.  Please consider fixing the above problems.
[11:47] <alefteris> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/thanos/tmp/inkscape'
[11:47] <alefteris> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/thanos/tmp/inkscape'
[11:48] <alefteris> dz.po?? thats wird
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[12:00] <alefteris> troy_s, dispite the error, it works, and blur is wiked :)