[02:48] <mpt> I've just moved <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AirCard8X0> from wiki.ubuntu.com, but I can't easily tell what pages it should be linked from. Anyone who reads this and knows what they're doing is welcome to continue :-)
[02:51] <tonyyarusso> mpt: wifi info?
[02:55] <mpt> tonyyarusso, there seem to be a variety of confusing wireless index pages
[02:55] <tonyyarusso> ah
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> !wifi
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> bah, no bot
[02:56] <tonyyarusso> wow, that is bad
[03:03] <poningru>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:04] <tonyyarusso> yeah, got there eventually ;)
[03:26] <mpt> "WifiDocs" is not a good name for a page
[03:27] <mpt> for the same reason that we don't put "Doc" at the end of every page name
[03:45] <okaratas> oh my god, i writing the las update ubuntu server guide turkish translate..
[05:08] <okaratas> http://www.ozgurkaratas.com/doc/Ubuntu_Sunucu_Rehberi.pdf
[05:08] <okaratas> i writing ubuntu server for turkish guide
[05:10] <LaserJock> cool
[05:12] <okaratas> thank you LaserJock
[05:13] <okaratas> i am go to sleep, good bye
[05:43] <jbruckman> where's the doc for the wiki format?
[05:47] <jbruckman> anyone?
[05:52] <LaserJock> hmm?
[05:52] <LaserJock> like how to write wiki pages?
[06:07] <Madpilot> generally, they're written with a keyboard </not_really_helpful>
[06:08] <LaserJock> Madpilot: :p
[06:08] <Madpilot> hey, it's Sunday night, and I have another damn cold. What do you expect? ;)
[06:09] <LaserJock> for you to be in bed asleep instead of on here
[06:11] <Madpilot> meh. too early yet.
[07:06] <mpt> jbruckman, is <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnEditing> the sort of thing you're looking for?
[07:07] <jbruckman> mpt: thanks, yeah
[08:14] <jenda> What license is the content of the wiki under?
[08:15] <somerville32> Creative Commons, I believe (or will be)
[08:17] <LaserJock> jenda: which wiki?
[08:18] <jenda> official, LaserJock
[08:18] <jenda> wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:18] <LaserJock> help.ubuntu.com/community is also an official wiki ;-)
[08:18] <jenda> hehe :)
[08:18] <LaserJock> and the license of wiki.ubuntu.com is really up in the air
[08:18] <jenda> it has a different license?
[08:18] <jenda> ok
[08:18] <jenda> and for current practical purposes it is?
[08:19] <LaserJock> the help.ubuntu.com/community is CC now
[08:19] <LaserJock> umm, not really sure what to say there
[08:19] <LaserJock> I think of it as public domain
[08:19] <LaserJock> but that's not really it
[08:20] <LaserJock> mdke would probably whack me for saying that :-)
[08:20] <LaserJock> we need to write up a new spec for wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:20] <LaserJock> they thought about doing CC like the help wiki
[08:21] <LaserJock> but that can cause a fair amount of problems of it's own
[03:36] <willvdl> popey ping
[03:40] <popey> willvdl: pong
[03:40] <willvdl> Hi there
[03:40] <popey> Hello
[03:40] <willvdl> jsut going through screencasts
[03:40] <willvdl> and wanted to know what player you folks normally use?
[03:41] <popey> personally I use vlc
[03:41] <willvdl> With the oggs, I get sound but no picture
[03:41] <popey> do you have an intel based chipset video card?
[03:41] <willvdl> yip
[03:41] <popey> bug :)
[03:41] <willvdl> ah
[03:42] <willvdl> I'll use the mpeg's then :)
[03:42] <popey> I suspect it may be the same
[03:42] <popey> its the size of the frame 1024x768 that causes the issue I think
[03:42] <willvdl> urk
[03:42] <popey> which is the same for all the videos
[03:42] <willvdl> OK, I'll look into trying on nvidia
[03:43] <popey> but I cant test it because I dont have any intel chipset machines
[03:44] <willvdl> thanks. I thought I was missing something
[03:44] <popey> you are not the first to report this unfortunately :(
[03:44] <willvdl> I should have ckecked
[03:46] <popey> its not a problem
[04:50] <willvdl> popey, just for record, the mpeg4 files work with intel chipset but not the ogg or mpeg files
[04:53] <popey> thank you for that
[04:56] <willvdl> just to check, the text should be legible in the mpeg4 files?
[07:03] <LaserJock> bah
[07:19] <nixternal> bah bah black sheep
[07:20] <LaserJock> mdz wrote an email to -devel that he wasn't even aware the packaging guide existed until recently
[07:20] <nixternal> hehe
[07:20] <nixternal> wth?
[07:20] <nixternal> didn't realise. I would think different on that one
[07:21] <LaserJock> they were writing up the "ultimate" developer resource wiki page
[07:21] <LaserJock> and the packaging guide wasn't on it :/
[07:21] <LaserJock> oh well :-)
[07:22] <nixternal> hrmm, I wonder why it isn't
[07:22] <LaserJock> because nobody knew it existed
[07:22] <LaserJock> apparently
[07:22] <nixternal> wow, they have everything else dealing with packaging, but the guide
[07:23] <nixternal> hell, even a guide from Debian Women :)
[07:23] <LaserJock> yep
[07:23] <LaserJock> that's a good guide too
[07:23] <LaserJock> I don't know why the Debian doc people don't use it more
[07:24] <nixternal> I am sorry, but if they didn't realise there wasn't a packaging guide already done (and a damn good one at that), then it makes me feel as if they don't even know WE as a team really exist or documentation for that part
[07:24] <nixternal> that or they aren't following the MOTUs at all
[07:24] <nixternal> the packaging guide is all the way at the bottom in teh "Other Resources"
[07:25] <nixternal> wow,
[07:25] <LaserJock> well, that was just added too
[07:25] <LaserJock> because I emailed
[07:25] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:25] <nixternal> I think the Ubuntu Packaging Guide adn the Debian New Maintainers Guide are the 2 major ones
[07:25] <nixternal> for everything else, I just open the book of crimsun :)
[07:26] <LaserJock> heh
[07:28] <nixternal> ooh, I just got my 1098-T "2006 Tuition Statement" for taxes
[07:29] <nixternal> I can't believe how much school costs. I don't pay anything so I never see the bills, but oh wow is it expensive
[07:30] <nixternal> and I don't see how Andreas Lloyd ever got into Anthropology. It is by far the dryest subject I have ever been involved in
[07:36] <Burgwork> nixternal: that depends on the person
[07:36] <nixternal> I guess, but it is dry
[07:36] <Burgwork> to you, yes
[07:36] <nixternal> Logical Philosophy on the otherhand is pretty damn cool
[07:36] <Burgwork> to others, not so much
[07:40] <LaserJock> I thought Andreas' project was sweet
[07:40] <nixternal> actually Linguistical Anthropology isn't to bad
[07:40] <LaserJock> ugg, I don't like languages ;-)
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe
[07:41] <nixternal> then you would like prehistoric linguistics
[07:42] <nixternal> however that is an oxymoron I guess, since prehistoric didn't have a written language
[07:43] <LaserJock> \o/ I have MS Office back!
[07:43] <nixternal> prehistoric ^times
[07:43] <nixternal> eww
[07:43] <LaserJock> I can't believe it. I emailed this guy like months ago
[07:43] <nixternal> people at school are really liking OpenOffice.org. I have handed out a ton of this broke college student CDs
[07:43] <LaserJock> heh
[07:44] <LaserJock> well I have it for free
[07:44] <LaserJock> I just have to get the campus IT guys to come install it
[07:44] <nixternal> well I have OO.o and KO for free :)
[07:44] <nixternal> ahh, campus IT guys, just under those working for Geek Squad
[07:44] <LaserJock> sure, but OO.o just isn't there yet for 100% of my needs, unfortunately
[07:44] <LaserJock> like Acrobat Reader
[07:45] <nixternal> Excel must be your big one then?
[07:45] <LaserJock> I *have* to have acroread
[07:45] <LaserJock> no
[07:45] <LaserJock> I don't really use Excel
[07:45] <nixternal> what are you doing in Word that you can do in OO.o?
[07:45] <LaserJock> and if I did I'd use OO.o or Gnumeric
[07:45] <nixternal> funky formatting
[07:45] <LaserJock> not Word either ;-)
[07:45] <LaserJock> PowerPoint
[07:45] <nixternal> oh no
[07:45] <nixternal> ya
[07:45] <LaserJock> that's the killer
[07:45] <nixternal> i Knew that was next
[07:45] <nixternal> PP and Impress are pretty damn close I thought
[07:45] <nixternal> I don't know, I haven't used Office in a long time
[07:46] <nixternal> I have been using OO.o since the StarOffice days with Corel Wordperfect as well
[07:46] <LaserJock> well, I have to do this on mac and Windows machines
[07:46] <LaserJock> the OS X OO.o is pretty bad
[07:46] <nixternal> really?
[07:46] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:46] <nixternal> I just found out on Thursday they even had one
[07:47] <LaserJock> there's also a fork called NeoOffice
[07:47] <nixternal> One of the kids in my C++ class uses it and loves it he said
[07:47] <LaserJock> well, I have to work with all non-OO.o users
[07:47] <LaserJock> it's difficult
[07:47] <nixternal> I have been trying to use KOffice more and more as it is becoming a very solid competitor, but there are just some annoyances I have with it right now
[07:48] <nixternal> is there a noticeable loss between PowerPoint and Impress?
[07:48] <LaserJock> oh yes
[07:48] <nixternal> I haven't looked into it.
[07:48] <LaserJock> many graphics are messed up
[07:48] <LaserJock> you lose formulas (which is the bad one for me)
[07:48] <nixternal> ahh, same with the Word issues then
[07:49] <LaserJock> I hardly ever use Word so I don't mind
[07:49] <nixternal> I will have to see if my old man has any pp files to look at
[07:49] <LaserJock> the only Office component I ever really use is PowerPoint
[07:49] <nixternal> all of mine are either OO.o or KOffice (raphink and KO)
[07:50] <LaserJock> well, the biggest problem right now for me with OO.o on OS X is it constantly crashes
[07:51] <LaserJock> if I can stay in Ubuntu everything's fine
[07:52] <nixternal> ya
[07:52] <LaserJock> but once I try to go into a mixed environment it gets rough
[07:52] <nixternal> wow, I can't find one ppt file on my old man's server
[07:52] <LaserJock> especially when it's a uni environment
[07:52] <nixternal> I am wondering if he has converted all of his ppt's into pdf's
[07:52] <nixternal> i see a ton of pdfs
[07:54] <nixternal> LaserJock: wth is a Time Domain Reflectometer?
[07:56] <nixternal> wikipedia has the answer for everything
[07:56] <nixternal> reminds me of my wife, knows it all
[08:09] <LaserJock> brb
[08:10] <willvdl> nixternal, isn't it one of those transmission line testing thingies?
[08:13] <nixternal> willvdl: Ya, it tests twisted pair and all kinds of things. I was reading a patent my dad has filed and seen the documentation for it.
[08:13] <nixternal> damn nerds :)
[08:14] <willvdl> it's a very simple process used in field theory. applies to any kind of transmission line
[08:14] <willvdl> you could, arguably, use it in a water pipe
[08:33] <nixternal> willvdl: water pipe? I will leave that one alone :)
[08:33] <willvdl> you never know
[08:34] <mdke> mpt: I put the spec on the TB agenda for tomorrow evening
[08:34] <LaserJock> hi mdke
[08:36] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[10:57] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke edgy * r3739 /ubuntu/desktopguide/de/ (15 files): updated German translation
[11:05] <mdke> hiya jjesse
[11:06] <jjesse> hiya mdke
[11:06] <jjesse> hmm wireless at this hotel is slow
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #45944 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Ubuntu Server Guide Not Installed On Servers" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45944
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> What format is the server guide in underneath, and what program reads that format outside of X?
[11:41] <tonyyarusso> Docbook I thought, but no idea what reads that
[11:42] <jjesse> its docbook but built into html
[11:43] <tonyyarusso> jjesse: Ah, so any browser would be fine then eh?
[11:44] <jjesse> yeah