[12:32] <zOap> ernesto`, ok, I just looked once at your code and thought(out of my own idiocy) it may be the problem:D sorry:o
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[12:32] <JKnife> who is it?
[12:32] <maxamillion> JKnife: zOap
[12:33] <zOap> JKnife, me me me:)
[12:33] <JKnife> zOap: ok
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[12:33] <JKnife> do Applications->Settings->Window Manager Tweaks
[12:33] <JKnife> maxamillion: screw em.. i will be gone soon
[12:33] <zOap> JKnife, ok, no "compositor" tab
[12:33] <JKnife> zOap: got it open?
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[12:33] <JKnife> just change a random setting and save
[12:33] <zOap> JKnife, yes
[12:33] <maxamillion> JKnife: i got your back ;)
[12:33] <JKnife> ;)
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[12:34] <zOap> JKnife, done
[12:34] <JKnife> then press ALT+F2 and type in "mousepad ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml"
[12:34] <ernesto`> grml xfce crashed again... reboot
[12:35] <JKnife> zOap: it open?
[12:35] <zOap> JKnife, eeh, Alt+F2 is routed to Firefox...
[12:35] <JKnife> -_- open up xfrun4 ^__^
[12:35] <maxamillion> ernesto`: no need to reboot, just restart X ... CTRL+ATL+BackSpace :)
[12:35] <JKnife> maxamillion: dont tell people that.. =\
[12:35] <ernesto`> already tried.. full freeze :(
[12:36] <maxamillion> JKnife: why not? ... if X is froze, that is a good alternative
[12:36] <zOap> JKnife, done
[12:36] <JKnife> other chan
[12:36] <maxamillion> ernesto`: can you do CTRL+ALT+F1 and get a command line login?
[12:36] <JKnife> zOap: ran the mouse pad command?
[12:36] <zOap> JKnife, it's empty
[12:36] <zOap> JKnife, yes, empty file
[12:36] <JKnife> =\
[12:36] <JKnife> BLAH
[12:36] <JKnife> ahh.. where is that file..
[12:36] <JKnife> on.. do this open a terminal
[12:37] <JKnife> do "cd .config"
[12:37] <ernesto`> already rebooted.. i check that with the next freeze :)
[12:37] <JKnife> and type "find ./ -iname xfwm4.xml"
[12:37] <maxamillion> ernesto`: okies
[12:38] <zOap> JKnife, ./mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml
[12:38] <JKnife> AHHH
[12:38] <JKnife> ok.. type "nano ./mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml"
[12:38] <maxamillion> ernesto`: if you get to there, login and type "top" and it will show you all the processes running ... figure out which one is taking up all your cpu and do "kill <pid>" then Ctrl+Atl+F7 to get back to the GUI desktop :)_
[12:38] <JKnife> look for a line that has compositor
[12:39] <JKnife> and change the value from 0 to 1..
[12:39] <zOap> JKnife, well I prefer vim but what the hell:D
[12:39] <JKnife> so do i
[12:39] <JKnife> but i don't know how smart you are so baby steps
[12:39] <zOap> JKnife, well there is no line that says Compositor...
[12:40] <JKnife> no where in it?
[12:40] <zOap> JKnife, it's okey:) just baybystep me
[12:40] <JKnife> no paste it
[12:40] <zOap> JKnife, nope
[12:40] <ernesto`> urgh... kernel panic after typing "route" 0_0
[12:40] <maxamillion> ernesto`: what??????????????
[12:40] <maxamillion> :(
[12:40] <ernesto`> guess i should chanche distrib.. this one doesnt seem to like my laptop :0
[12:41] <zOap> JKnife, #pastebin
[12:41] <zOap> JKnife, hang on, I can paste it to pasebin.ca it looked horrible..
[12:42] <zOap> JKnife, http://www.pastebin.ca/331528
[12:43] <zOap> JKnife, aah, saw you posted at #pastebin.. well the link is better..
[12:43] <maxamillion> ernesto`: honestly, it might be because of the old hardware ... i had that problem as well and ended up having to use debian "sarge" stable release with the 2.4.x kernel :/
[12:44] <JKnife> o.O
[12:44] <JKnife> one sec..
[12:44] <zOap> JKnife, ok
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[12:44] <JKnife> stupid beryl messing up my teaks dialog
[12:44] <zOap> heheh
[12:46] <ernesto`> ok route set up correctly with netmask, doens't work either
[12:47] <maxamillion> ernesto`: bah! ... ermmm...
[12:47] <ernesto`> any ideas what it can be? =)
[12:47] <ernesto`> do you think the 2.4.x kernel would do better?
[12:48] <JKnife> ok.. new settings time to restart XFCE4
[12:48] <zOap> JKnife, new setings? where?
[12:48] <maxamillion> ernesto`: its possible ... can't promise anything, but i do know that 2.4 likes old hardware more than 2.6 .... and DSL runs on a 2.4 kernel ;)
[12:49] <ernesto`> i use DSL-N with 2.6 kernel ;)
[12:49] <ernesto`> anyways.. i should think about it
[12:49] <maxamillion> oh ... hrmm
[12:49] <maxamillion> yeah, i'm out of ideas ... the card is recognized so it should work, there is probably just something we aren't thinking of
[12:49] <zOap> JKnife, did you edit the pastebin.ca url? what is the new url?
[12:50] <JKnife> ... i havn't yet.. hold on
[12:50] <zOap> JKnife, okey
[12:50] <ernesto`> i tried the same with gentoo.. had a working connection during install but couldn't set it up afterwards
[12:51] <ernesto`> maybe i should install DSL on harddisk :0
[12:51] <JKnife> ernesto`: tried checking the loaded modules?
[12:52] <ernesto`> no, why?
[12:52] <maxamillion> JKnife: yeah, ifconfig can see the interface, access it, put it up/down, etc .... just doesn't seem to be able to ping anything
[12:52] <ernesto`> it was the same.. card recognized, eth0 set up correctly -> no connection
[12:52] <JKnife> ohh
[12:53] <maxamillion> JKnife: yeah ... i am out of ideas
[12:54] <ernesto`> me 2... what's a good alternative to ubuntu? :0
[12:54] <zOap> ernesto`, that would have to be debian
[12:54] <grazie> some drivers work when compiled into kernel, but don't work as modules...
[12:55] <ernesto`> hmm yes.. didn't dare to install debian because of "only for gurus" reputation ;)
[12:55] <zOap> ernesto`, afterall, ubuntu is based on debian, and the debian devs does some amasing stuff.
[12:56] <JKnife> ok.. now i got default back..
[12:56] <ernesto`> i loved apt, thats y i chose ubuntu
[12:56] <zOap> ernesto`, naah, that's not true. you get mainstream debian too, just not as mainstream and easy to use as ubuntu
[12:56] <zOap> ernesto`, me too:)
[12:56] <zOap> JKnife, url?
[12:56] <maxamillion> ernesto`: debian ... ubuntu is a derivative of ubuntu but debian is still the mother distro of the world ;)
[12:56] <JKnife> AHHHHHH
[12:56] <JKnife> ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml <-- that be the file
[12:56] <ernesto`> is it as well documentized as ubuntu? :)
[12:57] <zOap> JKnife, aaah
[12:57] <JKnife> <option name="Xfwm/UseCompositing" type="int" value="0"/> <- change to 1
[12:57] <maxamillion> ernesto`: uhmm... almost ... its pretty good
[12:57] <JKnife> ernesto`: Debian is responsable of 80% of the man pages
[12:58] <JKnife> maxamillion: my finished d/ling did yours?
[12:58] <ernesto`> hmm thats a point
[12:58] <zOap> JKnife, actually, it isnt there either...
[12:58] <maxamillion> JKnife: sure did, didn't even notice
[12:58] <JKnife> :)
[12:58] <JKnife> zOap: add it in then
[12:58] <zOap> ok
[12:58] <ernesto`> apt is based on debian, rite? it as apt too?
[12:58] <maxamillion> JKnife: i'm gonna burn it and then go home
[12:59] <maxamillion> ernesto`: debian made apt
[12:59] <zOap> JKnife, ok, logging out, back in a jif
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[01:00] <zOap> JKnife, nope
[01:00] <JKnife> zOap: don't know what to tell you.. check the forums
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[01:01] <zOap> JKnife, what forums would you recommend
[01:01] <zOap> damn
[01:02] <zOap> I'd say thanks to him but he ran off.. well, maxamillion you can tell him thanks,yes?
[01:03] <grazie> zOap: you got a .cache/xfce4/desktop/?
[01:03] <zOap> grazie, cheking
[01:04] <maxamillion> i'm off work ... laters all
[01:04] <zOap> grazie, yeah
[01:04] <ernesto`> cya & thx maxamillion!
[01:04] <zOap> later maxamillion thank you
[01:04] <maxamillion> zOap: i will tell him, and no problem ... anytime, this is what we are here for
[01:04] <maxamillion> ernesto`: sorry i couldn't be of more help
[01:04] <maxamillion> laters :)
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[01:05] <grazie> zOap: zap it and check your tweak file again
[01:05] <zOap> grazie, delete all files in it?
[01:05] <grazie> zOap: it's only a cache
[01:05] <zOap> I know. ok, Have to log out then I guess?
[01:06] <grazie> check the tweak is still there first
[01:06] <zOap> ok
[01:06] <zOap> it's still there.
[01:07] <grazie> try killing X
[01:07] <zOap> ok, back in a jif
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[01:08] <zOap> grazie, still there
[01:08] <grazie> what's still there?
[01:09] <zOap> the line in fwm4.xml
[01:09] <zOap> sorry, in wmtweaks.xml
[01:10] <grazie> might be worth rebooting as the old value could be cached in ram
[01:10] <zOap> grazie, ok, I'll do that. thanks
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[01:14] <zOap> grazie, aaaaaaah, it works:)
[01:14] <grazie> good stuff
[01:15] <zOap> very cool stuff. glassy look win shit can go to lalaland
[01:15] <zOap> :D
[01:16] <grazie> not tried it myself...yet
[01:16] <zOap> very cool:) Must.hunt.for.cool.bordercolor.and desktop.background:o
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[02:10] <frankabel> gxine don't play mp3... what can I do?
[02:13] <DarthShrine> !mp3
[02:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:15] <frankabel> ubotu: You are build of metal ;)
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[02:35] <Jester45> is there a way to get something like xscreensaver to run as my background? or even better is to have something that will walk around on my desktop over and under the windows kinda like the screensaver antspotlight
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[02:44] <nyu2> Yeah, you can set a xscreensaver as your desktop.
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[02:46] <nyu2> Or rather, you can have a specific screensaver draw on your background.
[02:46] <nyu2> Just look in '/usr/lib/xscreensaver' for the programs.  '-root' will put it in the root window.
[02:47] <Jester45> what?
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[02:48] <Jester45> so xscreensaverbinary -root
[02:48] <nyu2> You would have to launch it manually.
[02:48] <nyu2> Right.
[02:48] <Jester45> ok
[02:48] <nyu2> And it seems that it doesn't like to draw over xfce's desktop, either.
[02:48] <nyu2> Let me see if I can get around that.
[02:53] <nyu2> Aha.  All you have to do is uncheck 'allow xfce to manage the desktop' in desktop settings.
[02:53] <nyu2> Of course, you lose all the desktop icons.
[02:53] <Jester45> humm
[02:53] <nyu2> So it may or may not be worth it.
[02:54] <Jester45> anyway of scripting that so i can click it on or off
[02:54] <nyu2> Probably.  I don't know how, though.
[02:54] <Jester45> TheSheep: i need your help
[02:55] <Jester45> ok well.. i guess i will do it manualy
[02:55] <Jester45> o wait
[02:55] <Jester45> nyu2: how about making the scipt change one cfg for a diffrent one
[02:55] <Jester45> and the diffrent one would have the unchecked verson
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[02:56] <nyu2> I don't know if it would work 'live'.
[02:56] <Jester45> then asfter the swap it turns on screensaver
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[02:56] <Jester45> well im not in the mood to work on that now
[02:56] <nyu2> I'm having fun with a Matrix background right now.
[02:57] <Jester45> nyu2: the xscreensaver binary is what? there are many, is each one separte?
[02:57] <Jester45> nyu2: what one? the moveing one?
[02:57] <nyu2> Look in the path I gave you.
[02:57] <nyu2> Yeah.
[02:58] <nyu2> I can live without the icons for a while.
[02:58] <Jester45> thunar :)
[02:58] <nyu2> Yeah.
[03:02] <Jester45> whats the place that xfce has brackgrounds
[03:03] <Jester45> by default
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[03:04] <Jester45> i tried to get xfce to use the screensaver binary as background
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[03:04] <nyu2> Sorry, I don't know.
[03:05] <Jester45> found it
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[03:06] <sponix> any dev's in here want a crash report ?
[03:06] <Jester45> the ubuntu forums might :)
[03:07] <sponix> its xfce/xubuntu specific, I believe
[03:07] <Jester45> ok...
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[03:07] <sponix> evolution mail checker thing bites the dirt on xubuntu login, fresh system of ubuntu with xubuntu-desktop installed
[03:07] <Jester45> the xubuntu forums might like
[03:08] <Jester45> that doesnt mean its xfce
[03:08] <Jester45> it could be that the gnome part is the system is doing somthing
[03:09] <sponix> true, but either way, still a bug in some way/shape/form :P
[03:09] <Jester45> yep
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[03:14] <nyu2> Oh, wow.  Yuck.
[03:14] <nyu2> I just found a scary file manager.
[03:16] <sponix> what ?
[03:16] <nyu2> 'Endeavour Mark 2'.
[03:16] <nyu2> It looks like someone has tried to copy Windows' Explorer.
[03:17] <somerville32> sponix, Thats a known issue.
[03:18] <somerville32> sponix, Furthermore, if that does happen in the future, you'd file a bug report - not post it on the forums :)
[03:18] <somerville32> sponix, And btw, it isn't Xubuntu's fault ;]  - Happens in Ubuntu and Kubuntu as well. ;] 
[03:19] <sponix> I just went to the session startup and told it to leave evolution out .. fixed :P
[03:19] <Jester45> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/334327/easy_linux_install_ubuntu_6_10/ <-- haha he put Edgy Heft
[03:20] <nyu2> He must've installed the 'full install' instead of the 'minimal install'.
[03:20] <sponix> way off topic, but ubuntu(gnome) isn't showing my koffice programs in its Application menu, anyone had that ?
[03:20] <nyu2> ...
[03:21] <nyu2> You're using Gnome with KDE apps?
[03:24] <sponix> a few, yeah
[03:24] <nyu2> Ouch, the overhead.
[03:24] <sponix> koffice, kpat (solitare, ktuberling (potato head)
[03:24] <sponix> nyu2: not bad, just kdelibs load for them, not another session/wm/etc
[03:25] <nyu2> I suppose, but still.
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[03:33] <Jester45> sponix: still more RAM and CPU usage
[03:33] <sponix> yeah, that's a given :)
[03:33] <Jester45> ram to store the libs and cpu to process the libs
[03:34] <sponix> I'm not bothered by it, my wife likes kpat, kids like ktuberling, and I am use to kspread
[03:34] <sponix> was just running kubuntu, but kwin likes to bite the dirt under heavy load on this box
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[03:36] <Jester45> sponix: why not just use kubuntu then seems simpler
[03:36] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:36] <Jester45> hi
[03:36] <maxamillion> hi hi
[03:37] <Prisoner_> got Xubuntu running on this old clunker
[03:37] <Jester45> cool
[03:37] <Jester45> it seems to do that most of the time
[03:38] <Jester45> maxamillion: whats the min ram 32mb?
[03:38] <Prisoner_> running it on an old 400mhz K6 AMD with 384MB RAM
[03:38] <Jester45> for a gui
[03:38] <Jester45> Prisoner_: thats not that bad
[03:38] <nyu2> That depends on how bad of a display you're willing to accept.
[03:38] <Jester45> Prisoner_: the cpu could be better but that ram is decent
[03:38] <sponix> Jester45: gotta have something to use the extra ram :P
[03:39] <nyu2> You can run X with 1 mb of video ram, if you really want to.
[03:39] <Prisoner_> it hangs but it runs better than Kubuntu
[03:39] <maxamillion> Jester45: no ... 64mb for dapper ... 128mb for edgy (there was something added to ubuntu-base that we couldn't avoid in edgy)
[03:39] <Prisoner_> I have 64mb video RAM
[03:39] <Jester45> i have 256
[03:39] <Prisoner_> it's an old ATI Radeon VE card
[03:39] <Jester45> yucky ati
[03:39] <Prisoner_> looks like add/remove programs has locked up
[03:40] <Prisoner_> I agree about ATI, that card was a mistake
[03:40] <Jester45> its good with windows
[03:40] <Prisoner_> bought it because it had more RAM than the card I was running and it was on sale
[03:40] <Prisoner_> I'm not so sure it's great with Windows, the updated drivers for it made a mess
[03:40] <Jester45> not so good with linux untill they if ever opensorce the driver
[03:41] <nyu2> They won't.  You know that.
[03:41] <Prisoner_> it seems to run OK, at least for now
[03:41] <Prisoner_> if I decide to start doing more with Linux, it won't necessarily be with this machine
[03:41] <Jester45> Prisoner_: they run fine but not good for games or anything good
[03:41] <Prisoner_> I'm not a gamer
[03:41] <Jester45> lol sorry
[03:42] <Prisoner_> when I tried to work with photos and such, it would run slow
[03:42] <Prisoner_> my main box has a 128MB nVidia based card
[03:43] <Prisoner_> if I do start running Linux more, that will be the box I use, an AMD Sempron 1.583GHZ
[03:43] <maxamillion> my desktop at home has a 128mb nvidia card ... but it was the cheapest thing i could find when i built the machine, a graphics card's amount of ram doesn't mean much
[03:43] <Jester45> maxamillion: sorta
[03:44] <nyu2> It's good for gaming.
[03:44] <Prisoner_> same here, and I wanted to move away from ATI, I think it's a good card
[03:44] <Jester45> maxamillion: new cards that are more powerfull GPU wise have more ram
[03:44] <Jester45> maxamillion: so say you have a 256 and i have a 128 my is most litkly slower
[03:45] <maxamillion> Jester45: but the same is not always true ... my 128mb card is a 6000 series nvidia which would out perform a 256mb 5000 series card any day
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[03:46] <Jester45> maxamillion: thats why i misstyped most likely to be better
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[03:47] <somerville32> *32
[03:47] <Jester45> nice
[03:48] <Jester45> do the live cds have an options to load the cd into ram?
[03:48] <Prisoner_> don't know
[03:48] <Jester45> DSL has that and i love it and was wondering if the *ubuntu has it
[03:48] <Jester45> i never seen it
[03:48] <Prisoner_> I like this distro, it runs better than KDE and gnome
[03:49] <Jester45> yes becuase its xubuntu
[03:49] <Jester45> i do like the looks of qt
[03:50] <maxamillion> gt looks like a cartoon puked on your desktop ... that's why i can't stand it
[03:50] <nyu2> I hate recompiling QT, though.  It takes forever.
[03:51] <maxamillion> qt*
[03:51] <Jester45> maxamillion: i dont undersand you, how can you not like qt? its so.... lovely
[03:51] <maxamillion> gtk is clean, smooth, and professional looking
[03:51] <maxamillion> Jester45: are you kidding? ... its looks horrible
[03:51] <Jester45> qt is pretty
[03:51] <maxamillion> ---->offtopic
[03:51] <Jester45> bring it :)
[03:52] <nyu2> I like Xlib.  It's much cleaner than Athena.
[03:52] <nyu2> :P
[03:52] <maxamillion> lol
[03:54] <somerville32> Jester45: It would be impossible for Xubuntu to load entirely to ram.
[03:54] <Jester45> somerville32: why
[03:54] <somerville32> Jester45: The reason DSL can do it is because it physically only occupies 50mb of space.
[03:54] <nyu2> With enough ram...
[03:54] <Jester45> somerville32: umm i got 2 g and this spring i will have 4
[03:54] <somerville32> Jester45: So you would you need lots of ram
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[03:55] <linux_> hey somerville32
[03:55] <somerville32> hey linux_
[03:55] <linux_> any luck on my server?
[03:55] <somerville32> linux_: Just got home a little while ago ;] 
[03:56] <Jester45> somerville32: how much would you need
[03:56] <somerville32> Jester45: I'd say over a gb
[03:56] <linux_> :) thats cool
[03:56] <maxamillion> linux_: what do you need a server for?
[03:57] <somerville32> maxamillion, ...
[03:57] <maxamillion> nvm
[03:57] <maxamillion> ?
[03:57] <maxamillion> offtopic maybe?
[03:57] <linux_> hosting all my programs
[03:57] <Jester45> somerville32: well i wanna do this
[03:58] <Jester45> linux_: how much space? i could do it
[03:58] <somerville32> Guys... he is having trouble setting up x forwarding
[03:58] <linux_> the problem isn't with space on my server
[03:58] <linux_> yeah
[03:58] <linux_> its an old p2
[03:58] <linux_> i really shouldn't call it a server
[03:58] <linux_> since its so old lol
[03:58] <Jester45> really long moniter cable?
[03:59] <somerville32> linux_, You can still call it a server ;] 
[03:59] <Jester45> does it serve somthing?
[03:59] <linux_> yes, TOR, amule, freenet
[03:59] <maxamillion> linux_: then its a server
[03:59] <somerville32> Anyhows...
[03:59] <somerville32> :D
[03:59] <maxamillion> linux_: http://maxamillion@no-ip.org <---my server
[04:00] <somerville32> linux_, Lets fix your problem! :)
[04:00] <maxamillion> linux_: its a little more than a p2 ... but not much
[04:00] <linux_> lol, thanks
[04:00] <linux_> sure
[04:00] <Jester45> linux_:  http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org <--- is mine
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[04:01] <Jester45> mine is the best ever
[04:01] <somerville32> xubuntu.org <-- Mine.
[04:01] <maxamillion> Jester45: that's annoying
[04:01] <maxamillion> somerville32: hey!!! that's part mine too!!!
[04:01] <Jester45> maxamillion: lol
[04:01] <Jester45> oooo DNS fight
[04:01] <somerville32> I joke, I joke (now moving to -offtopic). It's Canonical's server.
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[04:02] <Jester45> you sound like zodburg from futurerama
[04:02] <maxamillion> lol
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[04:14] <luckyone> hello all
[04:14] <linux_> hey luckyone
[04:16] <somerville32> Hi :)
[04:17] <Jester45> hi
[04:18] <maxamillion> hello
[04:21] <luckyone> ? how do I change the username of the first user that ubuntu created on installation?
[04:21] <luckyone> I just read the man page for usermod and it says that it can't be run while the user is logged in
[04:22] <linux_> you should try activating the root account and then log in that and delete the user account
[04:22] <luckyone> yeah, I guess I could do that
[04:23] <luckyone> I just took a box from my inlaws that they recently replaced, trying to figure out something cool to do with it...
[04:23] <luckyone> besides folding protiens all the time
[04:24] <luckyone> it has ubuntu (because I thought the interface would be more intuitive for them, less config files) but I want to clean it up and get xubuntu installed on it without having to start over
[04:24] <luckyone> I decided my first step would be changing the username to something that isn't so silly
[04:25] <linux_> sudo apt-get install xubuntu --> that might work maybe, or xubuntu-desktop?
[04:25] <maxamillion> xubuntu-desktop would be the package you are looking for .... errr meta-package, but whatever
[04:25] <luckyone> right, I need to sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove first methinks
[04:25] <maxamillion> but even still ... i would advise a data backup and a fresh installation
[04:25] <luckyone> there is nothing on it
[04:26] <luckyone> maxamillion, can I do a fresh install without a monitor attached to the machine?
[04:26] <luckyone> that really raises the bar on my linux knowledge
[04:27] <maxamillion> uhmmm.... technically ... yes, do i recommend it? no .... have i ever done it? no ... do i know how to do it? no ... but i have heard of it being done
[04:27] <j1mc> you could ssh into the machine and do a fresh install w/o a monitor attached.
[04:27] <maxamillion> i actually have to go
[04:27] <j1mc> couldn't you do that?  i think so . . .
[04:27] <j1mc> you'd have to know the ip address, though.
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[04:27] <luckyone> j1mc, do you have a link to any doc on how to do that
[04:27] <luckyone> j1mc, that is actually what I want to do
[04:27] <maxamillion> j1mc: well ... luckyone want's to install without a monitor and shh (iirc) is dissabled from the install image
[04:27] <j1mc> and you'd have to be able to work from a separate machine.
[04:27] <maxamillion> i gotta go ... laters
[04:28] <luckyone> j1mc, is ssh enabled on any image?
[04:28] <j1mc> i really am not sure.
[04:28] <luckyone> hmm, I will try another channel
[04:28] <luckyone> thanks
[04:28] <j1mc> what i did one time was install ubuntu server, and then ssh into it to configure it.
[04:29] <j1mc> but i had the monitor connected during the actual install
[04:29] <somerville32> luckyone, Would it be possible for you to have a monitor when you install?
[04:29] <luckyone> no
[04:29] <luckyone> somerville32, no
[04:30] <somerville32> luckyone, Is the box remote from you?
[04:30] <linux_> that would be a cool feature if you could have an install CD that sets up the computer without any confirmation (auto yes's every 10 sec)
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[04:32] <luckyone> somerville32, no, but all I have are laptops, no display to hook it to
[04:33] <j1mc> linux_, hehe . . . an "auto-yes" installation?  :)  how very "linux."  :)
[04:34] <luckyone> hmm - I guess what I really want to do is just create a new user exactly like the user the ubuntu installer creates, then delete the previous user
[04:34] <linux_> lol, didn't see that as funny till you mentioned it lol
[04:35] <luckyone> there are ways to make images that do what you are talking about
[04:35] <luckyone> it seems very feasible
[04:35] <linux_> sudo adduser <user> maybe?
[04:35] <luckyone> yeah
[04:35] <DarthLappy> How can I add a samba mount with a space in the name to fstab?
[04:35] <luckyone> "" ?
[04:35] <DarthLappy> Nope.
[04:35] <luckyone> hmm
[04:36] <luckyone> \ ?
[04:36] <DarthLappy> Nope.
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[04:38] <DarthLappy> Yeah :(
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[04:42] <somerville32> luckyone, Try using usermod with sudo
[04:42] <luckyone> can't use it while user is logged in
[04:43] <somerville32> luckyone, Have you *tried*?
[04:44] <DarthLappy> \o/
[04:44] <DarthLappy> Spaces can be escaped as \040, apparently.
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[04:45] <linux_> tried ssh -X linux@portunknown.servehttp.com
[04:46] <Majic> I'm having trouble with fstab.  I got a partition to mount in Windows AND Ubuntu, but it's READ-ONLY in Ubuntu.  Can someone please explain to me how to change the permissions in /etc/fstab so I can read and write to that drive?
[04:48] <somerville32> Magic: Is the Windows driver NTFS?
[04:48] <Majic> Yes.
[04:49] <Majic> I'm guessing you meant drive, just be clear.
[04:49] <Majic> clear?*
[04:49] <somerville32> lol
[04:49] <somerville32> s/driver/partition
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[04:49] <Majic> Umm, I've never seen that file path before..
[04:50] <somerville32> That is because it is not a file path :)
[04:50] <Majic> Oh, okay...
[04:50] <somerville32> It is search and replace
[04:50] <Majic> 0.o
[04:51] <Majic> It didn't work for me... 0.o
[04:51] <somerville32> Right.
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[04:51] <Majic> Hey Commander-Crowe. :)
[04:52] <somerville32> Magic: Is the Window's partition NTFS?
[04:52] <Majic> Yes.
[04:52] <Commander-Crowe> hey
[04:52] <somerville32> !ntfs | Majic
[04:52] <ubotu> Majic: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:52] <Majic> !ntfs-3g
[04:52] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[04:53] <Majic> :)
[04:53] <Majic> Thanks somerville32. :D
[04:53] <somerville32> np :)
[04:53] <linux_> also, thanks somerville32 for your time
[04:53] <somerville32> linux_: Sorry I couldn't be more help :)
[04:53] <linux_> no problem, maybe a good old restart will fix it
[05:00] <Majic> Ack, I forgot how you unload a module...
[05:00] <Majic> it's the opposite of modprobe...
[05:00] <Majic> I forgot the command, help please? :)
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[05:01] <Jester45> bye bye bye bye
[05:02] <somerville32> Well... that was annoying, lol
[05:02] <somerville32> Majic, One sec.
[05:03] <Majic> :D
[05:03] <somerville32> Majic, rmmod
[05:04] <Majic> Thank you. <3
[05:04] <somerville32> :)
[05:05] <somerville32> Don't thank me, thank Google :)
[05:05] <Majic> hehehe
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[05:10] <vai_ro> question when i run .giff they eat my cpu any ideas as to why?
[05:14] <somerville32> what is .giff?
[05:14] <vai_ro> you know giff files little still frames looped together
[05:14] <somerville32> Oh, right.
[05:14] <somerville32> what do you open them with?
[05:14] <vai_ro> well firefox
[05:15] <vai_ro> i thought it was because i didnt have the mplayer plugins installed but that wasnt it
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[05:23] <gunny01> hi all. I want to be able to access my linux box via ssh on my home network (eg. using putty on a WinXP machine to transfer files.) could someone point me to a tutorial or the like?
[05:24] <somerville32> gunny01, Install the openssh server package :)
[05:24] <gunny01> that's it?
[05:24] <somerville32> Yup.
[05:25] <gunny01> so, I would just ssh to my network ip (192...) and my user name and pass?
[05:26] <somerville32> Correct. :)
[05:26] <somerville32> You can also use sftp for transferring files
[05:26] <gunny01> cool.
[05:26] <gunny01> do I have to start it like apache, or is it always on?
[05:28] <somerville32> It would always be on - just like Apache ;] 
[05:29] <gunny01> :)
[05:29] <gunny01> coming from windows...
[05:30] <somerville32> gunny01, Did I answer your question? :)
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[05:46] <Commander-Crowe> is there an ls that only looks at dirs?
[05:48] <somerville32> ls */
[05:48] <nyu2-away> ls -d */
[05:49] <somerville32> lol
[05:49] <somerville32> Right
[05:50] <nyu2-away> ^_^
[05:55] <nyu2-away> Or if you want more levels, 'find * -type d'.
[05:56] <Commander-Crowe> hey where is stdio.h located?
[05:57] <nyu2-away>  /usr/include
[06:09] <DarthLappy> Is there a way I can get the music control buttons at the front of my laptop to work?
[06:10] <somerville32> DarthLappy, I know I got mine to work in Gnome but not Xfce4
[06:10] <DarthLappy> :(
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[06:10] <DarthLappy> What did you do in Gnome?
[06:12] <somerville32> Oh it works :)
[06:13] <somerville32> Now I just need to figure out the command required to adjust the volume
[06:13] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[06:15] <DarthLappy> Well, mine don't seem to work :(
[06:16] <somerville32> : (
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[07:11] <vbb> hi
[07:14] <somerville32> Hey :)
[07:14] <vbb> I need some help
[07:14] <vbb> When I boot up in Xubuntu
[07:14] <vbb> my keyboard wont work
[07:14] <vbb> but it worked in the setup :S
[07:14] <vbb> My mouse works too.
[07:14] <vbb> :(
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[07:20] <somerville32> vbb: How are you typing to us now?
[07:21] <vbb> I'm on windows.
[07:24] <somerville32> Ah.
[07:24] <vbb> Can it have anything to do with it being a USB keyboard ? even tho it worked in Ubuntu?
[07:24] <somerville32> It might have something to do with it
[07:24] <vbb> Hm
[07:24] <nyu2-away> I remember hating that when I installed Xubuntu, too.
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[07:35] <vbb> Hm..
[07:35] <vbb> Anyone here? :(
[07:36] <somerville32> Where does it not work?
[07:36] <somerville32> At the login prompt?
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[07:42] <vbb> Yes
[07:42] <vbb> at the loogin prompt
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[07:59] <vbb> hi
[07:59] <vbb> did u solve the problem
[07:59] <vbb> with the keyboard nyu2
[08:00] <nyu2> Oh.  Not really.  I ended up using a PS/2 keyboard until I was logged in all the way, and then I switched over.  It all works now, but that first boot was annoying.
[08:00] <nyu2> I'm using a USB keyboard now.
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[08:02] <vbb> kk
[08:02] <nyu2> Not that that helps.
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[09:03] <Buddha|> Is there a GTK-based tabbed text editor that does not require Gnome?
[09:04] <DarthLappy> Gvim ^_^
[09:06] <Buddha|> Gvim has tabs?
[09:09] <DarthLappy> Ya.
[09:10] <DarthLappy> :tabnew
[09:11] <Buddha|> hmm.  I don't see Gvim in Synaptic.
[09:11] <DarthLappy> vim-gtk, I think.
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[10:05] <genii> Anyone using xfce 4.4 yet? I'm debating upgrading it on this old laptop
[10:05] <somerville32> genii, I am on Feisty
[10:07] <genii> so xubuntu pre-7.04 has xfce 4.4 already?
[10:07] <somerville32> Yup
[10:08] <genii> I'm still running 5.10 here LOL
[10:08] <genii> (on the thinkpad A20m)
[10:08] <somerville32> hehe :)
[10:09] <genii> Since it only has 64 ram on here not sure about bumping it up yet til I know if it will run alright
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[10:12] <genii> The biggest reason woud be for the new desktop features like shortcuts an so on
=== somerville32 nods.
[10:17] <genii> I'm thinking about just installing 4.4 from the main xfce site over my 5.10
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[10:21] <somerville32> Ouch
[10:22] <DarthLappy> :(
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[02:01] <amorphous_> anyone know why the panels keep dissapearing in x? it's only once in a while - but it's really annoying - sometimes the machine starts up with no panels?!!? Also --- how do I get them back?
[02:05] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hit alt+F2 and launch xfce4-panel from there.
[02:07] <amorphous_> thanks PuMpErNiCkLe - i'll give it a go... ;)
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[02:30] <CJari> hello
[02:31] <DarthLappy> Morning.
[02:31] <CJari> I found out that xubuntu does not have /etc/inittab - can you confirm this? and is there any documentation of the new files?
[02:31] <CJari> morning
[02:33] <PuMpErNiCkLe> They're using upstart and /etc/event.d/ instead.
[02:33] <CJari> ok thanks, what is upstart? is that a program?
[02:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's an event-based init replacement.
[02:34] <CJari> alright
[02:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It got introduced in an init-compatible mode for 6.10, and it should fully replace init within about 2 releases, I think.
[02:36] <CJari> interesting, now I just need to find instructions for it
[02:39] <CJari> wow found an site for it: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
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[03:08] <MrDenix> hello everyone, nice to see you hyper_ch
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[03:15] <nicolah> Hi, I'd like to upgrade to xfce 4.4 and I use ubuntu
[03:15] <nicolah> But I'm not sure which link I should follow from here
[03:15] <nicolah> http://www.xfce.org/download/
[03:16] <somerville32> nicolah: It might be best to wait for the release of Ubuntu 7.04
[03:16] <nicolah> do you mean feisty ?
[03:17] <nicolah> Right now I'm using edgy (should be 6.10)
[03:17] <somerville32> Right
[03:18] <nicolah> ok, Can I enable semi-transparent windows in xfce 3.99.1 (xfce 4.4 beta 2) ?
[03:19] <somerville32> Yup
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[03:20] <nicolah> I'm not sure I know how to enable this feature
[03:21] <nicolah> Do i need to install xfwm4 ?
[03:22] <DarthLappy> That should be installed.
[03:22] <nicolah> ok, how do I enable it ?
[03:22] <DarthLappy> Enable what?
[03:22] <nicolah> I'd like to have some semi-transparent window
[03:23] <DarthLappy> Oh, well it's a configuration option somewhere, but I'm not sure where :)
[03:24] <nicolah> thanks, I'll search for it
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[03:28] <grazie> nicolah: add Composite in an Extensions Section of xorg.conf
[03:29] <nicolah> grazie, are you italian ?
[03:30] <grazie> nopre
[03:30] <grazie> no
[03:31] <nicolah> ok
[03:31] <nicolah> your nickname means "thanks" in italian
[03:31] <nicolah> btw
[03:31] <nicolah> I added these lines
[03:31] <nicolah> Section Extensions
[03:31] <nicolah> Option Composite Enable
[03:31] <nicolah> EndSection
[03:31] <nicolah> to my xorg.conf
[03:31] <nicolah> right ?
[03:31] <grazie> almost...like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3335/
[03:32] <DarthLappy> You don't need the RENDER option.
[03:32] <nicolah> do I need to restart the session to see the changes ?
[03:33] <grazie> DarthLappy: ok - didn't know - thanks
[03:33] <grazie> nicolah: restart X yes
[03:33] <nicolah> I'm restarting it
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[03:35] <nicolah> I logged off and logged in again but no transparent windows appeared
[03:36] <grazie> nicolah: you need to turn it on
[03:36] <DarthLappy> Obviously.
[03:36] <DarthLappy> Did you ever set them to be transparent? It's hardly going to read your mind :)
[03:36] <nicolah> eheh, How do I set them to be transparent ?
[03:37] <grazie> nicolah: you should have a new Setttings > W M Tweaks
[03:38] <nicolah> ok, let me check
[03:39] <grazie> nicolah: did you log off/logon or restart X?
[03:39] <nicolah> log off/logon
[03:39] <nicolah> how do I restart X ?
[03:39] <grazie> must restart X
[03:39] <apokryphos> nicolah: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:40] <DarthLappy> There's a keyboard shortcut >_<
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[03:43] <BrendanM> Does anyone know what I need to do to get Xarchiver to read .rar and .7z files?
[03:44] <somerville32> BrendanM, You'll most likely need to install unrar-free or unrar-unfree
[03:44] <somerville32> * nonrar-unfree
[03:44] <somerville32> gah
[03:44] <somerville32> *rar-nonfree
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[03:47] <nicolah> I typed /sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart | then I found myself in a blank screen with the flashing cursor, didn't know what to do so I rebooted. No new options in the WM tweaks
[03:47] <somerville32> nicolah, You need to enable the compositor
[03:47] <nicolah> ok
[03:47] <nicolah> (how ?)
[03:47] <grazie> nicolah:  you have already
[03:48] <somerville32> ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml
[03:48] <somerville32> You'll need to edit that file
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[03:49] <nicolah> I don't have that file
[03:49] <somerville32> nicolah, Are you sure?
[03:49] <nicolah> i'm in
[03:49] <nicolah> /home/nicola/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings
[03:49] <nicolah> and there's no xfwm4.xml
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[03:50] <somerville32> lol
[03:50] <nicolah> there's desktop, gtk, keyboard,orage,shortcuts,sound and workspaces
[03:50] <somerville32> Hmm...
[03:50] <somerville32> try desktop?
[03:51] <nicolah> which option name should I look for ?
[03:52] <nicolah> nothing about transparency or composite
[03:52] <somerville32> TheSheep: ping
[03:53] <grazie> nicolah: just touch the file
[03:53] <nicolah> touch the file ? do you mean opening it with ff ?
[03:54] <grazie> touch xfwm4.xm
[03:54] <grazie> touch xfwm4.xml
[03:55] <nicolah> in a shell ?
[03:55] <grazie> yes
[03:55] <nicolah> I did it
[03:55] <nicolah> nothig happened
[03:55] <grazie> yes, now edit another file
[03:56] <grazie> edit ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
[03:56] <nicolah> which one ?
[03:56] <nicolah> ok
[03:56] <nicolah> i'm there
[03:57] <grazie> change.....UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"
[03:57] <nicolah> done
[03:58] <nicolah> restart the x ?
[03:59] <grazie> delete .cache/xfce4/desktop/ first
[03:59] <nicolah> (ok) the last time i did /sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:59] <nicolah> I found myself in a blank screen
[03:59] <nicolah> what should I do then ?
[04:00] <grazie> your probably best rebooting anyway... to overwrite ram cache
[04:00] <nicolah> ok
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[04:06] <nicolah> thanks
[04:06] <grazie> working?
[04:06] <nicolah> yes
[04:07] <grazie> good
[04:07] <grazie> i find it slows things down for me
[04:07] <nicolah> Now I'm trying to understand if there's a way to set transparency for the *active* window insted of the others
[04:08] <grazie> everything can be set by Setttings > W M Tweaks
[04:08] <nicolah> I'm there but it looks like you cannot set transparency for the active window
[04:08] <nicolah> which is the only thing I was looking for
[04:08] <nicolah> it make no sense !
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[04:09] <nicolah> I mean: I'd like to use an application in a window and I'd like to read what's under that window
[04:10] <nicolah> who cares about transparency of inactive windows ?
[04:11] <grazie> there may be a way to do what you want, but I don't know how
[04:11] <nicolah> thanks
[04:11] <nicolah> If anyother knows please let me know
[04:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I believe you can change the transparency using the mouse scrollwheel if the cursor is over the window border.
[04:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You may have hold down the alt key while doing that.
[04:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (I can't test that now, so I'm not sure.)
[04:13] <nicolah> wow
[04:13] <nicolah> it work with the alt key
[04:14] <nicolah> now it makes sense
[04:15] <grazie> funny...doesn't work for me!
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[04:15] <nicolah> make sure you're using the alt button and not the alt gr one
[04:16] <grazie> yes I am
[04:16] <grazie> no worries
[04:16] <nicolah> this feature is great, even if I have to agree with grazie: it slows the system down a lot
[04:17] <nicolah> maybe I'll use with the next cpu
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[04:20] <grazie> nicolah: did you keep the RENDER option?
[04:20] <nicolah> no, should I ?
[04:20] <grazie> apparent it's not needed, although it's set for me
[04:22] <grazie> thought is may the cause of the slow speed if we both had it set
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[04:22] <nicolah> what's your cpu ?
[04:22] <grazie> 1.9G
[04:22] <nicolah> mine is a duron 800 with 256 MB
[04:23] <grazie> well it slows me down
[04:24] <nicolah> now I understand why transparency is disabled in default configuration
[04:25] <grazie> i've had transparent terminals working well though
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[04:49] <Spot101> Greetings
[04:50] <Spot101> Anyone using Xubuntu on a G3 imac?
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[05:01] <grazie> !vlc
[05:01] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[05:04] <gabkdlly> vlc is quite nice. I would recommend it to anyone who needs a media player with a GUI
[05:06] <grazie> !xchat
[05:06] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[05:07] <maxamillion> vlc is awesome ... but alot of people tend to enjoy RealPlayer as well
[05:07] <maxamillion> !reaplay
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about reaplay - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <maxamillion> !info realplay
[05:07] <ubotu> Package realplay does not exist in any distro I know
[05:07] <maxamillion> -.-;
[05:07] <maxamillion> ubotu: you fail at life
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you fail at life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <maxamillion> anyways ... realplayer is in the commercial-main repo
[05:09] <grazie> doing some real dumb here...apt-get can't see popular packages....must be something silly
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[05:10] <maxamillion> grazie: ?
[05:10] <grazie> apt-get doesn't see vlc, xchat,... I can't see why?
[05:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info vlc
[05:13] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[05:14] <maxamillion> grazie: did you enable your universe repositories?
[05:14] <maxamillion> .... brb
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[05:18] <grazie> maxamillion: yeah, but forgot to update before searching....like I said...thanks anyways
[05:20] <maxamillion> grazie: no worries
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[05:44] <grazie_> what's the equivalent of using Update Manager with apt at cli?
[05:45] <maxamillion> grazie_: you want to use apt-get or aptitude?
[05:45] <grazie_> apt-get
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[05:46] <maxamillion> grazie_: "sudo apt-get update" "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:47] <grazie_> dist-upgrade will not upgrade with my consent first?
[05:48] <grazie_> s/with/without/
[05:50] <grazie_> I'm not trying to upgrade to a new release
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[05:52] <ephemeros> hey \m/
[05:53] <maxamillion> grazie_: that doesn't upgrade you to a new release unless you change the repositories, but it will get the latest kernel update
[05:53] <maxamillion> anyhoo ... i have class ... bbl
[05:54] <grazie_> max_at_class: thanks
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[06:01] <grazie_> can anyone explain to me why my system has three sets of linux-headers?
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[06:14] <grazie_> TheSheep: ping
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[06:37] <Ndut2> hi guys
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[06:54] <Ndut2> hmmm
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[07:22] <maxamillion> Ndut2: hello
[07:22] <maxamillion> Ndut2: sorry, i was away .... what's up?
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[07:28] <torrrrr> hi, my network don't work for WAN
[07:28] <maxamillion> wifi?
[07:32] <torrrrr> no
[07:32] <torrrrr> regular LAN+router+WAN
[07:33] <TheSheep> torrrrr: do you mean yuor NAT doesn't work?
[07:33] <torrrrr> works for the rest of the computers just mine lost the outside world since  I have changed the IP
[07:33] <maxamillion> dhcp or static? ... is the machine on the LAN and attempting to reach the outside world?
[07:33] <torrrrr> static
[07:34] <maxamillion> torrrrr: can you ping the router?
[07:34] <torrrrr> and I have uninstalled resoveconf package
[07:34] <torrrrr> I can ping the ruoter
[07:34] <torrrrr> And I can ssh in the LAN
[07:36] <maxamillion> torrrrr: then you probably just need to add a default gateway and possibly config dns
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[07:41] <BrendanM> Does anyone know if there's a way to make a shortcut so that clicking on the clock on the panel will launch a calendar app like Orage?
[07:42] <TheSheep> BrendanM: yes, just add 'orage clock' to the panel
[07:42] <BrendanM> ok, cool
[07:42] <TheSheep> BrendanM: instead of the simple one
[07:42] <BrendanM> I assume it takes up marginally more system resources?
[07:43] <TheSheep> not sure, I guess the difference is not noticeable
[07:43] <maxamillion> BrendanM: remove the current one too ... or else there will be two clocks ... and no, almost the same system resources because nothing happens until you click it and launch orage :)
[07:43] <BrendanM> yeah, I did remove the simple one
[07:43] <BrendanM> The orage one seems tricky to configure
[07:44] <maxamillion> BrendanM: i just accept all the defaults, it normally just detects what you already have configured (iirc)
[07:45] <grazie> TheSheep: any ideas why my clean system has 3 sets of linux-headers installed?
[07:45] <BrendanM> ok. It's showing 24-hour time rather than 12, and it's displaying seconds
[07:45] <TheSheep> grazie: because you had 3 versions of kernels?
[07:45] <grazie> lol
[07:45] <TheSheep> BrendanM: type %H:%M in the box
[07:46] <BrendanM> that got rid of the seconds, but it's till on military/24-hour time
[07:46] <kalikiana> BrendanM: anything against iso time? :P
[07:47] <BrendanM> *shrug* Personal preference
[07:47] <kalikiana> :)
[07:47] <maxamillion> BrendanM: oh ... that's how i keep mine normally anyways :/
[07:47] <BrendanM> that's the point of Linux, right? So you can nitpick every tiny aspect of your system and configure it the way you want
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[07:48] <kalikiana> Exactly. :D
[07:48] <maxamillion> yes, very true
[07:48] <TheSheep> BrendanM: open terminal, type 'man date' and scroll down for an explanation of various %x symbols
[07:49] <BrendanM> I tried doing (%H-12) but it just shows (18-12)
[07:49] <BrendanM> = )
[07:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:49] <BrendanM> Ah ha
[07:49] <BrendanM> %I is 12 hours
[07:50] <BrendanM> thanks TheSheep
[07:51] <grazie> TheSheep: seriously though...this is a fresh install with 3 sets of processor headers
[07:51] <BrendanM> Ironically, %p gives you AM/PM and %P gives you am/pm
[07:51] <grazie> TheSheep: linux-headers-2.6.17-10 linux-headers-2.6.17-10-powerpc linux-headers-2.6.17-10-powerpc64-smp
[07:51] <TheSheep> grazie: maybe it upgraded during the isntall?
[07:51] <TheSheep> grazie: which one do you use?
[07:52] <grazie> powerpc
[07:52] <maxamillion> grazie: i think it needs each one because the -generic will use the appropriate ones when needed (iirc)
[07:52] <grazie> i'm sure it doesn't need powerpc64-smp
[07:53] <maxamillion> grazie: its a generic kernel, if in the event it were to load and you had a ppc64, it would
[07:53] <maxamillion> errr... dual
[07:55] <grazie> still trying to isolate my loss of sound problem. after a clean install everything works again
[07:56] <BrendanM> Sorry...one more stupid clock/calendar question. Is there a way to make orage close when I hit the "X" instead of just minimizing to the system tray?
[07:57] <grazie> however, a new kernel, headers and restricted modules are ready for updates. just doesn't seem right to me to maintain 3 lots of headers
[07:58] <TheSheep> grazie: get yourself an x86 ;)
[07:59] <grazie> i have, but mac boxes are very nice
[07:59] <maxamillion> BrendanM: not that i know of, you have to click file_.quit
[07:59] <TheSheep> I think there's an option to not show the tray icon
[08:02] <BrendanM> yeah, there is, but it doesn't actually close, the process stays running
[08:02] <BrendanM> not that orage is a real resource-hog or anything
[08:02] <TheSheep> :)
[08:03] <TheSheep> BrendanM: at least you get your calendar really fast next time ;)
[08:03] <BrendanM> that's true
[08:03] <BrendanM> This machine is pretty old though, I've been trying to keep a very minimal amount of background processes running
[08:04] <TheSheep> BrendanM: well, file a feature request, and live with manual closing for now
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[08:09] <Ndut2> hi guys
[08:13] <TheSheep> hi Ndut2, what's the weather like in Singapore? :)
[08:16] <Ndut2> hi sheep guess its alright but quite windy recently
[08:17] <Ndut2> crap this old laptop dont even have lan card
[08:17] <Ndut2> zzzzzzzzzzz
[08:17] <TheSheep> :)
[08:18] <TheSheep> hailing in Poland :/
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[08:18] <Ndut2> how is poland ?
[08:18] <Ndut2> ic
[08:19] <Ndut2> what?
[08:19] <Ndut2> hailing in poland now ?
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[08:19] <Ndut2> how big is the ice ?
[08:19] <TheSheep> pretty lousy weather
[08:20] <TheSheep> Ndut2: tiny. we can continue this on the #xubuntu-offtopic if you like
[08:21] <Ndut2> sure
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[08:34] <grazie> hyper_ch: did you say once say that you run xubuntu on a g4?
[08:34] <maxamillion> grazie: i used to run Xubuntu on an iBookG4 (before i had to sell it) ... i got a noticable performance increase and roughly 20-30 minutes longer battery life
[08:37] <grazie> maxamillion: i'm still not convinced about the linux-headers being right
[08:38] <maxamillion> grazie: they might not be ... i just think they are supposed to be there because of the -generic kernel
[08:38] <grazie> if the kernel was built from source, yes
[08:40] <grazie> one theory i have is that my system borked the sound due the kernel confusion
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[08:42] <maxamillion> grazie: possible
[08:43] <grazie> could test my thoery by updating again, but I'd rather not unless it's the only way to find out
[08:44] <maxamillion> yeah .... i dunno :(
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[08:55] <darrend> on my laptop, when I switch from AC to battery or vice versa, everything seems to get set accordingly APART from the cpu_freq governer which I have to change manually.  Any idea why?
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[09:25] <Ubuntuguy> Hey all -- any word on when xfce 4.4 will be available for installation on edgy?
[09:26] <somerville32> Ubuntuguy, IT most likely won't be.
[09:27] <Ubuntuguy> what a pity!  Does that mean I'm stuck with compiling this baby?
[09:28] <somerville32> You can just wait for Feisty to be released in April :)
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[09:30] <Ubuntuguy> true, indeed.
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[09:35] <drx0drx> what is the Linux equivalent of the all users/startup folder?
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[09:36] <somerville32> drx0drx, init.d :)
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[09:40] <drx0drx> somerville32, so I can just edit init.d and append my command, e.g., xm create {name}
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[09:40] <drx0drx> somerville32, ?
[09:40] <somerville32> Not... really
[09:40] <somerville32> You want a program to be run when a user logins?
[09:41] <drx0drx> somerville32, no i want to start up a Xen virtual machine when the host OS boots
[09:43] <ar3ac> when we have on edgy the xfce 4.4.0 packages ?
[09:44] <somerville32> ar3ac, Probably never :)
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[09:47] <drx0drx> somerville32, is that how I would do it, just add the xm create {name} to the bottom of init.d?
[09:47] <somerville32> drx0drx: When exactly do you want the Xen virtual machine to start?
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[09:49] <drx0drx> someville32, after the host Linux boots up, but before any users log in.
[09:50] <somerville32> !init | drx0drx
[09:50] <ubotu> drx0drx: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:54] <Ndut2> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security/restricted Sources
[09:54] <Ndut2> Fetched 51.4kB in 1m35s (539B/s)
[09:54] <Ndut2> Reading package lists... Done
[09:54] <Ndut2> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com edgy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[09:54] <Ndut2> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[09:54] <Ndut2> guys any idea how can i fix this ?
[09:54] <Ndut2> running apt-get update didnt correct the problems
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[09:55] <somerville32> !repositories | Ndut2
[09:55] <ubotu> Ndut2: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[09:55] <somerville32> See the part about the keys
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[09:56] <Ndut2> okay thx somer
[09:57] <Ndut2> !wpa | Ndut2
[09:57] <ubotu> Ndut2: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:59] <Ndut2> !opera | Ndut2
[09:59] <ubotu> Ndut2: opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
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[10:04] <TheSheep> Ndut2: you can also just /msg the bot
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[10:10] <Ndut2> ic
[10:11] <slow-motion> n8
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[10:18] <drx0drx> what's the consensus about reiserfs versus ext3 and can you convert from resier to ext3?
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[10:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> i just use ext
[10:19] <bigfuzzyjesus> 3
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[10:24] <drx0drx> how do you export a file system?
[10:25] <grazie> export? do you mean make a backup copy?
[10:26] <drx0drx> I'm getting an error that says "file system not exported"
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[10:27] <grazie> what where you doing to get the message?
[10:27] <drx0drx> I think it either means that (1) I haven't created an /sda link or (2) I haven't exported it to my virtual domain.
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[10:27] <drx0drx> in the vm manager
[10:29] <grazie> sorry must have missed a lot of detail - i haven't a clue what your on about
[10:30] <drx0drx> I'm trying to install Windows under Linux/Xen, and I have to specify the "paritition containing the boot files", so I specify the same paritition I want the OS installed on, and it says "file system not exported"
[10:31] <grazie> no experience of Xen sorry
[10:32] <drx0drx> incidentally, if I specify nothing, it says "error: partition containing kernel and RAM disk cannot be empty" which leads me to believe that it wants the Linux host boot parition, not the Windows guest boot partition, sound about right?
[10:34] <grazie> Is there a way I can trace the exact date/time of when a package was released into a repository?
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[10:43] <zoexii> hello!, can someone help me with installing a new cursor theme?
[10:43] <zoexii> I found one I like but cannot figure out how to install it.
[10:52] <somerville32> Put it in ~/.themes/ :)
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[10:58] <grazie> zoexii: if you do as somerville32 says you'll see your new theme in Settings > Window Manager Settings
[10:59] <grazie> somerville32: do you know how to get the exact date/time of when a package was released into a repository?
[11:00] <somerville32> grazie: For each release?
[11:00] <somerville32> *which
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[11:01] <Jester45> english?
[11:01] <grazie> edgy
[11:01] <grazie> somerville32: ^^
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[11:02] <somerville32> grazie: http://lists.ubuntu.com/edgy-changes
[11:03] <Jester45> megamaced: would you be the same megamaced from hardwareforums.com?
[11:03] <megamaced> yep
[11:03] <megamaced> i
[11:03] <megamaced> hi
[11:03] <Jester45> cool
[11:03] <Jester45> hi guess who i am
[11:04] <megamaced> go on
[11:04] <Jester45> Jester45
[11:04] <Jester45> im not to active
[11:04] <megamaced> Really? :P
[11:04] <Jester45> i was
[11:04] <grazie> somerville32: that looks great..my hero...thanks
[11:04] <somerville32> grazie, np :)
[11:05] <Jester45> megamaced: i was just wondering
[11:07] <Jester45> does anyone here know how to get a torrent tracker like search and DB?
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[11:07] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[11:07] <spasticteapot> Has anyone else here tried Zenwalk?
[11:07] <Jester45> i dont want to run the tracker just a DB of torrents and a search function
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[11:12] <spastic_teapot> Hello!
[11:12] <spastic_teapot> Anyone else here tried Zenwalk?
[11:12] <spastic_teapot> It's similar to Xubuntu, and while more of a pain in the ass to use, it's a good bit faster.
[11:12] <spastic_teapot> Anyone know how to get Xubuntu running at nearly the same speed?
[11:13] <spastic_teapot> Anyone here?
[11:14] <hyper_ch> grazie: no, I don't have mac
[11:14] <hyper_ch> spastic_teapot: Xubuntu runs pretty quick for me
[11:19] <grazie> hyper_ch: sorry, my mistake...now sorted...thanks for getting back to me.
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[11:19] <vixpoxi> hello
[11:20] <vixpoxi> ??
[11:20] <vixpoxi> hi?
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[11:23] <drx0drx> why does gedit remove single quotes from text files brought over from the PC and is there a way to stop this?
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[11:25] <vixpoxi> hello
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[11:39] <RememberPOL> every 5 seconds or so apt-index-watch spikes my cpu usage... when i do ps - A|grep apt... it shows up as pid 4073 (all the time) but once every 5 seconds a second apt-index-watch with a new pid shows up for a second and goes away, but 4073 is always there. the new one causes my system to lag... any idea what's going on?
[11:41] <TheSheep> RememberPOL: where did you get that -index-watch thing from?
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[11:41] <RememberPOL> TheSheep: ? i presume it comes with the system?
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[11:41] <TheSheep> RememberPOL: I don't have such a thing
[11:42] <TheSheep> RememberPOL: what version do you run?
[11:42] <RememberPOL> 6.10
[11:43] <TheSheep> !info apt-index-watcher
[11:43] <ubotu> apt-index-watcher: Updater for apt-front indexes. In component main, is optional. Version 0.3.9ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 698 kB, installed size 1972 kB
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[11:45] <TheSheep> maxamillion: what's apt-front?
[11:45] <maxamillion> TheSheep: never heard of it
[11:45] <maxamillion> TheSheep: http://libapt-front.alioth.debian.org/ <---maybe that?
[11:45] <TheSheep> maxamillion: is apt-index-watcher installed by default in edgy?
[11:46] <maxamillion> TheSheep: doesn't appear to be
[11:46] <TheSheep> RememberPOL: seems you got that package dragged in by Adept
[11:46] <TheSheep> RememberPOL: blame KDE ;)
[11:47] <RememberPOL> so just uninstall apt-index-watcher ?
[11:47] <maxamillion> Adept ... ewwww
[11:47] <RememberPOL> :/
[11:48] <RememberPOL> should i remove adept?
[11:48] <TheSheep> that's a question I'm not authorized to answer XD
[11:49] <TheSheep> good night everyone!
[11:49] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: yes, i beg you to uninstall adept and use aptitude or apt-get (preferably aptitude)
[11:49] <maxamillion> TheSheep: night
[11:51] <RememberPOL> i don't know what i installed that required adept
[11:51] <RememberPOL> oh well
[11:51] <maxamillion> kubuntu-desktop if i remember correctly
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[11:51] <RememberPOL> no
[11:52] <RememberPOL> well
[11:52] <RememberPOL> i didn't manually install kubuntu-desktop
[11:52] <Lesiu> hello
[11:52] <RememberPOL> maybe some kde app needed it
[11:52] <RememberPOL> but i dunno
[11:52] <Lesiu> does anybody know if xubuntu have Automatic LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP) ?
[11:54] <hyper_ch> Lesiu: the server edition has it by default
[11:55] <DarthLappy> Odd... Quod Libet doesn't want to start.
[11:55] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: actually ... adept might even be installed by default ...
[11:55] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: nope .. nvm
[11:55] <drx0drx> how do I view the contents of /dev/sdb1
[11:56] <hyper_ch> RememberPOL: kde appz shouldn't install kubuntu-desktop... just the required libraries
[11:56] <Lesiu> where i can download server edition or is it just the xubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso file ?
[11:56] <RememberPOL> i removed adept which removed apt-index-watcher and now it's okay
[11:56] <hyper_ch> Lesiu: well, there is no xubuntu-server edition... just a ubuntu-server edition
[12:00] <Lesiu> thx very much hyper_ch
[12:01] <hyper_ch> Lesiu: but if you want a gui, then have xubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu installed and install (L)AMP afterwards :)
[12:02] <drx0drx> I'm trying to connect to an ISO image located at /dev/sdb1.  When the drive mounts, nautilus calls it EXTERNAL/ISO/Windows.ISO  What is the Linux path to the ISO file?
[12:02] <Lesiu> so there is a package called lamp or i have to manually install Apache, MySQL and PHP packages ?
[12:03] <hyper_ch> install it manually, much better... I don't think  there's a meta package called lamp
[12:04] <hyper_ch> !iso
[12:04] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[12:04] <hyper_ch> !iso | drx0drx
[12:04] <ubotu> drx0drx: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[12:04] <Lesiu> ok thx
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[12:08] <bigredradio> Anyone able to export a display to Xubuntu without ssh -X? I turned off --nolisten and restarted X but still can't connect.
[12:08] <bigredradio> I also xhost +. No good still.
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[12:13] <drx0drx> ubotu:  so I was supposed to have an ISO on DVD and mount it using dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/tmp/Windows but it's really mounted at /mnt/mountpoint, but when I enter dd if=/mnt/mountpoint /of=/iso/window.iso or dd if=/dev/sdb1... it fails
[12:14] <maxamillion> drx0drx: ubotu is a bot
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[12:16] <bigredradio> drx0drx: Are you trying to copy or mount it?
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[12:18] <grazie> maxamillion: sorted my sound problem...it was due to a missing package
[12:18] <maxamillion> grazie: well, glad you got that figured out ... sorry i wasn't of more help :/
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[12:19] <grazie> maxamillion: not completely figured out why the package wasn't picked originally, but...and people get scared by ppc me thinks
[12:20] <maxamillion> grazie: oh yeah ... the world is scared of things that are superior because microsoft hasn't endorsed them ... haven't you noticed this by now?
[12:21] <Jester45> i dont like macs
[12:21] <grazie> i don't the new price of macs
[12:22] <grazie> and does look like ppc is dying...slowly
[12:23] <Jester45> its been dying since its birth
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[12:29] <drx0drx> anyone know which single quotes you use to surround arguments in a python script?
[12:30] <kalikiana> drx0drx: ' or " for strings
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[12:33] <drx0drx> it's throwing an error in a python script only on lines with 'quoted arguments' as such
[12:33] <drx0drx> linux/gedit stripped out the quotes