[03:13] <ajmitch> Kamping_Kaiser: subliminal messages?
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> ajmitch, perhaps so.
[09:51] <cbx33> ogra_: changes are coming along nicely
[09:51] <cbx33> hope to have them done today
[09:53] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[09:53] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[11:09] <cbx33> ogra_: hey dude
[11:10] <cbx33> can i include the config files required for the backend in the python-tcm package? with the module?
[12:46] <SiCk> lo all
[12:58] <SiCk> this place is dead today
[01:00] <RichEd> "Mummy I see only SiCk people"
[01:00] <RichEd> :)
[01:01] <SiCk> :D
[01:01] <cbx33> hey SiCk
[01:03] <SiCk> hey cb, how's you?
[01:04] <cbx33> yeh I'm good
[01:04] <cbx33> and you?
[01:08] <SiCk> yup, goin well, lots of stuff to keep me busy today in work
[01:08] <SiCk> restoring a mysql database, trying to get edgy working with 40 thin clients etc.
[01:08] <SiCk> funtimes!
[01:09] <cbx33> how is it going with edgy and edubuntu
[01:09] <cbx33> ?
[01:17] <SiCk> meh.. so so, just upgraded to edgy from dapper
[01:17] <SiCk> just finished installing, so just to drop the dhcpd over and install the custom kernel for the thin-clients and try again...
[01:18] <cbx33> nice
[01:18] <cbx33> SiCk: do you use printing on the workstations
[01:24] <ogra_> cbx33, for an usb printer set PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 for the specific workstation (using the MAC adress) in lts.conf ...
[01:25] <ogra_> on the client note down the ip from the ldm screen
[01:25] <cbx33> thanks ogra_
[01:25] <ogra_> log in and open gnome-print manager
[01:25] <ogra_> select network printer
[01:25] <cbx33> when you add the printer in gnome-print manager can use a MAC address to identify it?
[01:25] <ogra_> select "HP jet direct" in the pulldown menu
[01:26] <cbx33> sure
[01:26] <ogra_> put the ip into the input fieold, leave the portnumber as is
[01:26] <ogra_> thats it
[01:26] <cbx33> but...
[01:26] <cbx33> how do i find the ip?
[01:26] <cbx33> and are the leases permanent?
[01:26] <ogra_> read what i wrote ?
[01:27] <cbx33> yes
[01:27] <ogra_> pretty permanent ... i havent seen one change since i work on ltsp ... but then i only test with 5 clients max
[01:27] <cbx33> ok
[01:28] <cbx33> i have to describe to them in the book the easiest way to get the ip address
[01:28] <cbx33> what do you suggest?
[01:28] <ogra_> read what i wrote ?
[01:28] <cbx33> oh and did you see my messages abotu that?
[01:28] <cbx33> oh...yeh
 on the client note down the ip from the ldm screen
 log in and open gnome-print manager
 thanks ogra_
[01:28] <cbx33> sorry
[01:28] <cbx33> I'm dumb
[01:28] <cbx33> i missed that one
[01:28] <ogra_> :)
[01:28] <cbx33> Debra said it's fine to send you the book
[01:28] <ogra_> great !
[01:28] <cbx33> so I'll hopefully get that to you soon
[01:29] <cbx33> it really needs a looking over before next week
[01:29] <cbx33> think yo ucan do that
[01:29] <ogra_> i hope
[01:29] <ogra_> herd3 is ahead
[01:29] <cbx33> yeh i know
[01:29] <ogra_> and no trace of rodarvus who wanted to do most of it
[01:29] <cbx33> it's only 10,000 words ogra_ ...
[01:29] <cbx33> shouldn't take you too long
[01:29] <cbx33> heheheh
[01:29] <cbx33> mwuhahaha
[01:31] <ogra_> ??
[01:31] <cbx33> sorry i was manically laughing at giving you 10,000 words of my drivel to read
[01:31] <SiCk> cbx33, sorry i was away a minute, and no im not printing on the systems
[01:31] <cbx33> ok
[01:31] <SiCk> hey ogra :)
[01:32] <ogra> yo
[01:32] <SiCk> took your advice ogra :)
[01:32] <ogra> good
[01:33] <cbx33> ogra's advice is always good
[01:33] <SiCk> thats because hes too smart for his own good ;)
[01:33] <SiCk> p.s. i think i broke my installation :(
[01:33] <SiCk> haha
[01:34] <SiCk> tftp file not found... are there file differences between dapper dhcpd.conf and edgy?
[01:34] <ogra> no
[01:34] <SiCk> hmm, i maybe installed that custom kernel wrong...
[01:34] <ogra> did you put it into /etc/ltsp ?
[01:35] <SiCk> i followed all the directions you'd given
[01:35] <SiCk> it worked on dapper.. just not this time
[01:35] <cbx33> cool
[01:35] <cbx33> with herd 3 I can do an install and then check the book stuff
[01:35] <SiCk> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -i /tmp/linux-image-2.6.15-27-386_2.6.15-27.50_i386.deb
[01:35] <SiCk> sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[01:36] <SiCk> after downloading it of course
[01:36] <SiCk> it seemed to do all that without a hitch though
[01:36] <ogra> hmm, why did you do that ?
[01:37] <SiCk> because remember the thin-clients i had wont boot off a normal kernel, only the one that was made for that mad via eden processor
[01:37] <SiCk> someone in #ubuntu-kernel
[01:38] <ogra> ah, right i forgot
[01:39] <ogra> did you install ltwsp-server-standalone ? or only ltsp-server ?
[01:39] <SiCk> server just
[01:39] <ogra> aha
[01:39] <ogra> install -standalone
[01:40] <ogra> it  adds the missing bits and pieces
[01:40] <SiCk> ahh, ill do that now
[01:40] <ogra> things like a tftp server for example :)
[01:40] <cbx33> hahah
[01:41] <SiCk> hmm, aparently it's installed and the newest version...
[01:41] <ogra> hmm
[01:42] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[01:42] <ogra> try that
[01:42] <ogra> should return a line not starting with "#"
[01:42] <SiCk> 2 lines
[01:43] <SiCk> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[01:43] <SiCk> oh, 1 line, just stretched
[01:43] <ogra> ok
[01:43] <ogra> ps ax|grep inetd
[01:43] <ogra> should return /usr/sbin/inetd
[01:43] <SiCk> 4007 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd
[01:43] <ogra> at least
[01:43] <ogra> ok
[01:44] <ogra>  ps ax|grep dhcpd ?
[01:44] <SiCk> 10605 pts/1 R+ 0:00 grep dhcpd
[01:44] <ogra> nothing else ?
[01:44] <SiCk> nope
[01:44] <ogra> aha
[01:45] <ogra> your dhcp server isnt running then
[01:45] <SiCk> though dhcpd3-server is stopped at the moment
[01:45] <SiCk> heh
[01:45] <SiCk> i run it before i boot the clients, but its on a shared connection with another dhcp server at the moment, so i've got it stopped
[01:45] <ogra> start it and check again with the ps command as above
[01:45] <SiCk> okay
[01:45] <ogra> nope, that wont work
[01:46] <cbx33> SiCk: what's the other dhcp server?
[01:46] <ogra> you cant run two dhcp servers in one network if you want to netboot
[01:46] <ogra> (you can but thats a very very tricky and complicated setup)
[01:46] <SiCk> i know, we're working that out later.. i might be throwing them all on a vlan or whatever
[01:46] <SiCk> at the moment they're connected tdo eachother
[01:47] <SiCk> and now i have the 2 lines ogra with dhcpd3 running
[01:47] <ogra> than it wont boot
[01:47] <ogra> *then
[01:47] <SiCk> cbx33: its a windows dhcp server, our DC
[01:47] <SiCk> ogra: we'll be discovering all that once we get the thin-clients booting
[01:47] <cbx33> you can get the windows dhcp to server the addresses
[01:47] <ogra> you will have to make them boot off the windows server
[01:48] <cbx33> SiCk: that's easy
[01:48] <cbx33> there's a howto I wrote on the wiki
[01:48] <ogra> and shut down the dhcp server on the linux machine
[01:48] <SiCk> cbx33: yeah i saw the wiki the other day on it... you posted a link to someone else
[01:49] <SiCk> but at the moment we just want the clients going as well as they can.. and they aint *sniff*
[01:49] <SiCk> everything on the ltsp server seems fine
[01:49] <cbx33> SiCk: but they will do....if you use the dhcp server
[01:50] <SiCk> i am, at the moment the client is connected to the ltsp server with a crossover
[01:50] <SiCk> the client is getting the IP's and everything
[01:50] <cbx33> ahh i see
[01:51] <SiCk> just getting PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not Found
[01:51] <SiCk> sorry, i know im confusing. haha
[01:56] <cbx33> try logging in with tftp maunally and gertting the file then
[02:02] <SiCk> ill try that now
[02:03] <capt_kirk> Hi all
[02:07] <capt_kirk> Anyone know if thin client printing (attached to the thin client's lp0) works in Edgy?  I'm about to test it out, but didn't want to take down our computer lab if there's some hidden bomb in the Edgy implementation.  I've read a couple of threads that say ogra is looking at how to best implement it, but I'm wondering if modifying lts.conf per the LTSP 4.1 documenation will work.  Thanks.
[02:08] <capt_kirk> ogra: are you at your computer?
[02:09] <SiCk> cbx33, i've tftp'd to the computer, what file would i be getting?
[02:09] <SiCk> i've had a complete mindblank
[02:29] <willvdl> urk, my quit/restart buttons are gone
[02:55] <cbx33> SiCk: well....
[02:55] <cbx33> I can't remember the specifics but
[02:56] <cbx33> you are tftping into the root of the tfpt server
[02:56] <cbx33> right?
[02:56] <cbx33> check the tftp inet.d file to see what the root is
[02:56] <cbx33> or if ogra is around he'll shout it out I'm sure
[02:56] <cbx33> then basically you want to
[02:56] <cbx33> get dir/filename
[02:56] <cbx33> that make sense?
[03:18] <cbx33> hey willvdl
[03:18] <willvdl> hey
[03:18] <willvdl> ever played with dvd ripping?
[03:18] <cbx33> yes
[03:19] <willvdl> need to cut a section from a dvd into an ogg or mpg
[03:19] <cbx33> ok
[03:19] <willvdl> what tools you use?
[03:19] <cbx33> ooh ooh search for....
[03:19] <willvdl> dvd::rip
[03:19] <cbx33> yes
[03:19] <cbx33> that too is awesome
[03:19] <willvdl> eek, but it has a lot of "options"...
[03:19] <cbx33> s/too/tool
[03:19] <willvdl> what do you use?
[03:19] <cbx33> it does but they really don't take a lot of getting used to
[03:19] <cbx33> I use dvd::rip
[03:20] <willvdl> ah. what video format/codec etc. would be best quality?
[03:20] <cbx33> hmm....
[03:20] <cbx33> i used avi
[03:20] <willvdl> divx5? xvid?
[03:20] <cbx33> xvid
[03:20] <cbx33> i think
[03:20] <willvdl> I'll google it  but I think you're right
[03:21] <willvdl> and for editing the avi?
[03:21] <cbx33> um....well...
[03:21] <cbx33> I then take it into either kino
[03:21] <cbx33> or avidemux
[03:21] <cbx33> depending on what I'm wanting to do
[03:21] <willvdl> just want to cut off head and tails
[03:21] <cbx33> either then
[03:22] <willvdl> cool. knew you would know :] 
[03:22] <willvdl> you're timing is impeccable!
[03:22] <cbx33> hehe
[03:22] <cbx33> I try willvdl, I try :p
[03:22] <willvdl> how's tcm?
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh getting better all the time
[03:23] <cbx33> cleaning up the package tonight for ogra to take a look at some of the management specifics in the week
[03:23] <willvdl> cool
[03:23] <cbx33> also shipping him over the book chapter for a run through
[03:23] <willvdl> nice. look forward to that
[03:23] <cbx33> yeh, we have a bit of problem with tcm
[03:23] <cbx33> but I'm hoping it'll get solved soon
[03:23] <cbx33> it's a license issue
[03:24] <cbx33> crippled_des.py from redhat's virtual manager, isn't GPL compatible
[03:24] <willvdl> "beautify" the code
[03:24] <cbx33> but both red hat and pyvnc2swf give it away as GPL
[03:24] <willvdl> that's what I'd do :)
[03:24] <cbx33> heheh
[03:25] <willvdl> I'm curious, what do you use vnc for in TCM?>
[03:25] <cbx33> the backend code from pyvnc2swf :p
[03:25] <cbx33> i didn't have time/nor the knowledge at this stage to write one myself
[03:25] <willvdl> to "spy" on the thin-clients?
[03:26] <cbx33> however, next release, I may write my own slimmed down vnc server
[03:26] <cbx33> we use x11vnc at the mo
[03:26] <cbx33> or will do
[03:26] <willvdl> for what purpose though?
[03:26] <cbx33> spying
[03:26] <cbx33> and also working the other way, so that staff can show their screen to many clients
[03:26] <willvdl> ah. Is it not possible to jsut grab the framebuffer?
[03:27] <cbx33> well not directly from python i fear
[03:27] <cbx33> i would have to write a library to do it
[03:27] <cbx33> basically, to view the clients in the tile view, we don't need a full on vnc server implemntation
[03:27] <cbx33> so I aim to make another server
[03:28] <willvdl> just thinking
[03:28] <cbx33> as I don't think vnc can do what we need
[03:28] <willvdl> cause it all runs on the server
[03:28] <cbx33> ah not x11vnc
[03:28] <cbx33> that runs on the client
[03:28] <cbx33> i know what you're thinking
[03:28] <cbx33> Jordan said the same
[03:28] <SiCk> ogra... you around?!
[03:28] <cbx33> SiCk: did that work?
[03:29] <SiCk> did what work? sorry i had to run for an hour
[03:30] <cbx33> hehe the tfpt
[03:30] <SiCk> will it work the same if i log in tftp on the same machine and connect to itself?
[03:31] <willvdl> cbx33, dvd::rip failed to init encoder. must be missing a library here
[03:32] <cbx33> :(
[03:33] <cbx33> SiCk: yes
[03:33] <cbx33> just connect to 127.0.0.1
[03:35] <SiCk> ill try it when it boots here
[03:37] <cbx33> ok
[03:40] <willvdl> duh, no gstreamer codec isntalled
[03:43] <cbx33> heheh
[03:48] <SiCk> cbx33, any idea why my edubuntu install might've just started going extremely slow
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[03:48] <SiCk> after a reboot of it its taking like 2 - 3 minutes to open a terminal window
[03:49] <SiCk> still waiting for it to browse files
[03:49] <SiCk> once it opens them its fine... its odd
[03:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:50] <cbx33> I have had something like that
[03:51] <cbx33> what does the top command show?
[03:52] <SiCk> Xorg and Init are at the top
[03:53] <SiCk> using quite a lot
[03:55] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:55] <cbx33> nothing ese?
[03:56] <Shaolin1> hi guys
[03:57] <SiCk> not really
[03:57] <SiCk> nothing using alot
[03:57] <Shaolin1> how can i install ssh/sftp
[04:00] <SiCk> cbx33, where would my tftpd inet.d file be kept?
[04:08] <SiCk> oooograaaah :)
[04:09] <SiCk> i broked it :(
[04:09] <SiCk> haha
[04:11] <willvdl> cbx33, dude it works niiice. You're right about the options though...not so daunting
[04:13] <cbx33> willvdl: nah...you just gotta look at them carefully ;)
[04:13] <cbx33> just reading the full BECTA report on vista and office 2007
[04:14] <cbx33> this is our year
[04:14] <cbx33> Ubuntu/OSS
[04:14] <cbx33> this could be the M$ killer this year
[04:14] <willvdl> link?
[04:14] <willvdl> I read the interim report
[04:14] <cbx33> yeh taht's what I read
[04:14] <cbx33> the full interim report
[04:15] <cbx33> 20 pages
[04:15] <cbx33>                                            Bectaconsiders that educational institutions shouldonly consider deploying Office 2007 when theyare assured of its interoperability withalternative products including free-to-useproducts such as OpenOffice.org.
[04:25] <cbx33> that;s good news
[04:36] <cbx33> byeee all
[04:37] <ShankarGanesh> hello there
[04:41] <ShankarGanesh> any cool edubuntu artworks?
[05:10] <RichEd> hi rodarvus
[05:11] <rodarvus> hey RichEd
[05:25] <cbx33> hey SiCk
[05:26] <cbx33> howz it going
[05:28] <cbx33> ogra, just looking at the python ltsp stuff now
[05:28] <SiCk> it isnt.. heh
[05:28] <SiCk> :)
[05:28] <SiCk> yourself?
[05:28] <cbx33> you got two secs for a question
[05:28] <cbx33> SiCk, just pacakging up tcm again
[05:29] <SiCk> ah, yeah i noticed ogra mentioning you not able to package something in yesterday?
[05:29] <SiCk> copyrights and whatnot
[05:29] <cbx33> oh yeh I'm still waiting on the that one
[05:29] <cbx33> I'm looking at the python-central stuff at the moment
[05:29] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[05:30] <cbx33> ok
[05:30] <cbx33> well,
[05:30] <cbx33> the python-tcm pacakge
[05:30] <cbx33> needs to include a conf file for dbus and the scp-startup file etc
[05:30] <cbx33> is that ok to be included in there
[05:30] <cbx33> as the python-tcm pacakge should just be the module right?
[05:30] <ogra> do you really need it in there ?
[05:30] <cbx33> but the actual backend system requires more
[05:30] <cbx33> yes
[05:31] <cbx33> dbus config is backend
[05:31] <ogra> the conf file is for grouping which you only use in the gui
[05:31] <cbx33> it's not handled by front end
[05:31] <cbx33> no
[05:31] <cbx33> not the dbus conf file
[05:31] <cbx33> and the scp-remote
[05:31] <cbx33> and scp-client
[05:31] <cbx33> they are all backend
[05:31] <ogra> i'm talking about the conffile
[05:31] <cbx33> non-gui generic
[05:31] <capt_kirk> Anyone know if thin client printing (attached to the thin client's lp0) works in Edgy? I'm about to test it out, but didn't want to take down our computer lab if there's some hidden bomb in the Edgy implementation. I've read a couple of threads that say ogra is looking at how to best implement it, but I'm wondering if modifying lts.conf per the LTSP 4.1 documenation will work. Thanks.
[05:31] <cbx33> well, the conf stuff is actually non-gui generic
[05:31] <ogra> scp-remote and scp-client are apps, they shouldnt be in the module package
[05:31] <cbx33> so where hsould they go?
[05:32] <cbx33> we need three pacakges then
[05:32] <ogra> seems like
[05:32] <cbx33> module, backend, frontend
[05:32] <cbx33> you ok with that?
[05:32] <ogra> yep
[05:32] <cbx33> ok I'll work up that now
[05:32] <cbx33> i think i sorted most out
[05:32] <cbx33> some stuff will need to wait for you to fiddle and test before it gets confirmed
[05:33] <cbx33> ie the controls are in just not the confirmed command
[05:33] <ogra> thats fine
[05:33] <cbx33> ok I hope to get this and hopfully the book to you tonight
[05:33] <cbx33> then I can relax for a day
[05:33] <cbx33> phew
[05:33] <ogra> capt_kirk, edgy uses the same printing mechanism as ltsp 4.1 did
[05:34] <cbx33> right off to do some packaging, some packaging, some packaging....goes old motu song
[05:34] <ogra> due to the fiddly licensing situation with lp_server we needed to kick it out though ... and a python based replacement is in feisty
[05:35] <cbx33> is it still called lp_server?
[05:35] <ogra> nope, the new implementation is called jetpipe
[05:35] <capt_kirk> ogra, thanks!  I'll give it a shot.  Great work on Edgy, by the way.  Much better thin-client experience that Dapper.  I have two labs up and running at the two schools I'm supporting.  Local devices are a huge help.  Thank you from 200 users.
[05:35] <cbx33> ogra, ok...there's one change for the book already then ;)
[05:36] <cbx33> capt_kirk, do you use student control panel?
[05:36] <ogra> capt_kirk, thanks, such a feedback is invaluable :)
[05:36] <capt_kirk> cbx33, I've played with it some, but only in passing.
[05:36] <cbx33> ok
[05:36] <cbx33> hoping it'll rock for feisty
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, am I right in thinking all three binary packages can be built from this one source?
[05:37] <cbx33> or should the module be split?
[05:37] <capt_kirk> i've also played a little with LTSP Manager.  Really looking forward to it working like the use cases in the spec.
[05:37] <capt_kirk> That would be very useful.
[05:37] <cbx33> indeed
[05:37] <ogra> cbx33, its fine to build it from the same source for now
[05:37] <cbx33> ogra, btw if you need a hand with that....
[05:37] <ogra> might make maintanance easier
[05:37] <cbx33> testing ui hacking just shout
[05:38] <cbx33> ogra, ok cool
[05:38] <capt_kirk> I wish I had time to help with the development, but at this point I can only be a casual tester
[05:38] <cbx33> capt_kirk, that's still so valuable
[05:38] <cbx33> will you be able to test feisty?
[05:38] <capt_kirk> cbx33, thanks.
[05:38] <cbx33> in it's beta stages?
[05:38] <ogra> cbx33, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe btw
[05:39] <cbx33> that would be awesome....as you know how to install/configure for site deployment
[05:39] <cbx33> thanks ogra
[05:39] <capt_kirk> i've lost track of the timing for feisty.  when should it be in beta?
[05:39] <cbx33> um....fairly soon
[05:39] <cbx33> featuer freeze is 8th feb
[05:39] <ogra> we'll release the third milestone CD this week
[05:39] <cbx33> that's gona be awesome
[05:39] <ogra> from mid feb on it should be intresting to test it ... :)
[05:39] <cbx33> ogra, I'll install that hopefully once released to check TCM works on it
[05:40] <capt_kirk> I should be able to.  We leave Tanzania and go back to the States in July, and I lose my labs then.  (I'll set one up at home for the kids when we get back home.)
[05:40] <cbx33> right ogra I'm gonna let you get on with things and stop interrupting you and get on with this packaging
[05:40] <cbx33> you around if I get stuck?
[05:40] <capt_kirk> cool.  Yes, I can probably test.
[05:40] <cbx33> capt_kirk, that'd be awesome
[05:40] <ogra> cbx33, indeed
[05:40] <cbx33> thanks dude
[05:40] <ogra> yeah, that'd be great
[05:40] <ogra> we need every helping hand with testing
[05:40] <capt_kirk> One comment from dapper-edgy upgrade experience, it really sucked.
[05:41] <ogra> in which area ?
[05:41] <ogra> and how did you upgrade ?
[05:41] <capt_kirk> it really messed up the one lab that was running dapper.  I know the advice was to do a clean install, but I did a dist-upgrade to try to avoid rebuilding everything.
[05:42] <capt_kirk> The other lab was a clean Edgy install and it went great
[05:42] <ogra> the only advice for a clean install goes for ltsp ...
[05:42] <ogra> you should be able to upgrade fine
[05:42] <capt_kirk> Over Christmas break, I did a clean install on the messed-up lab, and it's all good now.
[05:42] <ogra> if not, thats a bug that needs fixing
[05:43] <capt_kirk> It seemed to be a LTSP problem
[05:43] <cbx33> ogra, am I author for tcm or is it you?
[05:43] <ogra> for debian/copyright ?
[05:43] <capt_kirk> should I have un-installed LTSP and reinstalled it after doing the dist-upgrade?
[05:43] <ogra> nope
[05:43] <capt_kirk> just a clean install from the start?
[05:43] <ogra> but you should have wiped /opt/ltsp/i386 and done a sudo ltsp-build-client
[05:44] <capt_kirk> ahh
[05:44] <ogra> but that doesnt affect the server at all ...
[05:44] <cbx33> ogra, for debian copyright and for setup.py
[05:44] <ogra> and shouldnt break on upgrades
[05:44] <capt_kirk> it also wiped out the x server on the main box, but I probably could have hacked it back to working.  I wasn't in the mood to deal with xorg, so I just did a clean install.
[05:45] <ogra> cbx33, us both as authors, my part is Copyright Canonical Ltd. 2005
[05:45] <cbx33> ok
[05:45] <ogra> yours is all the rest :) (2006/7)
[05:45] <capt_kirk> will Feisty also need a ltsp rebuild?
[05:45] <ogra> i try to avoid that
[05:46] <capt_kirk> cool
[05:46] <ogra> i need the pulseaudio trasition properly going though ...
[05:48] <capt_kirk> do you think the beta will be mature enough to test in a live lab?  (I know all of the warnings, but there's the warnings and there's reality.)  I don't have any extra boxes to do a separate test on.  Dev labs aren't a real high priority in Tanzania.  I'd be happy to test in one of the school labs if it's fairly mature.  I don't mind a few bugs, just not a system that will require hourly reboot.
[05:48] <cbx33> ogra, should the vnc.py and rfb.py stuff go.....where?
[05:48] <ogra> gui ?
[05:48] <cbx33> they are only pertinent to the gui package
[05:49] <cbx33> but they are placed in the /usr/lib/python2.4/site-pacakges/studentcontrolpanel/ dir
[05:49] <cbx33> is taht still ok?
[05:50] <willvdl> cbx33, do you think it matters if the OGM/AVI is interlaced or not?
[05:50] <cbx33> hmmm are you having problems with kino reading it?
[05:51] <cbx33> if so, search my blog, it has an mencoder command line that will sort convert it to the right format
[05:51] <willvdl> kino takes DV files
[05:51] <cbx33> no it doesn't
[05:51] <willvdl> avidemux can edit it
[05:51] <cbx33> :p
[05:51] <willvdl> mencoder will convert it to what format though
[05:52] <cbx33> avi
[05:52] <cbx33> kino can import them trust me
[05:52] <cbx33> so ogra is that still ok ? ^^^
[05:52] <willvdl> well, I find that avi or ogg won't make a difference. Just the container, codec is still xvid and only the audio is affected
[05:53] <ogra> just make sure to depend in python-tcm
[05:53] <ogra> *on
[05:53] <cbx33> ok
[05:53] <cbx33> that's what I've done
[05:53] <cbx33> and i can just dump them there, instead of setup.py python-central installing right?
[05:53] <ogra> hmm
[05:54] <ogra> i would use python-central ...
[05:54] <cbx33> GAAAAHHHH!!!
[05:54] <ogra> with dh_pycentral
[05:54] <cbx33> ok
[05:54] <cbx33> :(
[05:54] <ogra> just make the gui depend on it ...
[05:54] <cbx33> ok
[05:54] <cbx33> the gui already does
[05:54] <ogra> dh_pycentral will add its stuff to the ostinst ...
[05:54] <ogra> *post
[05:55] <cbx33> so are you saying lump them into the python-tcm package now?
[05:55] <ogra> no
[05:55] <cbx33> or have a seperate entry in the setup.py for the other one
[05:55] <ogra> i say leave them in the gui and use pycentral there
[05:55] <cbx33> ok
[05:55] <cbx33> I've never ever done that
[05:55] <cbx33> I'll try it and if I get stuck I'll shout for help
[05:56] <ogra> man dh_pycentral
[05:56] <cbx33> yeh
[05:56] <cbx33> I'll get it
[05:56] <cbx33> you know it
[05:58] <cbx33> ogra, looking at it, the code that is AT&T copyrighted, is a simply modification that was made....is there a change we can beautify it as willvdl put it, to get round the issue?
[05:59] <willvdl> Hey, don't quote me on it :)
[05:59] <ogra> if you know exactly which code it is you could replace it ...
[05:59] <ogra> but dont miss a bit
[05:59] <cbx33> willvdl, hehe
[05:59] <cbx33> ok I'll see what repy I get first
[05:59] <cbx33> and we'll see what happens
[05:59] <cbx33> we NEED DES
[06:01] <ogra> what about python-crypto ?
[06:02] <cbx33> there was a mention about it...I will have to check it out
[06:02] <ogra> it seems to provide DES
[06:02] <cbx33> i think there was a problem with it
[06:02] <cbx33> will check later
[06:02] <cbx33> after I try this INSANE pacakging
[06:02] <cbx33> i think ogra is trying to melt my brain permanently :p
[06:07] <willvdl> cbx33, kino doesn't like xvid
[06:07] <cbx33> search my blog
[06:07] <cbx33> ang on I'll link you
[06:08] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=168
[06:08] <cbx33> check that out
[06:08] <cbx33> replace the input.flv with your avi file
[06:08] <cbx33> it will wrap it up nice so that kino uses it
[06:09] <willvdl> ripping from dvd/vob
[06:10] <cbx33> that should take any video and make it useable in kino
[06:11] <willvdl> heck even kaffeine only plays audio track. VLC plays fine but is dirty
[06:12] <cbx33> oh dear
[06:15] <willvdl> hmmm, must be a kde thing, linking the plugins to the apps
[06:15] <cbx33> ahh
[06:15] <cbx33> I don't use kde
[06:15] <willvdl> works fine on gnome, just some movement noise. going to try interlacing it
[06:15] <willvdl> oh
[06:16] <cbx33> oh?
[06:17] <ogra> cbx33, http://www.amk.ca/python/writing/pycrypt/pycrypt.html
[06:17] <ogra> should be easy to replace
[06:17] <cbx33> ok will look into it
[06:17] <cbx33> having packaging nightmares at the mo
[06:19] <capt_kirk> ogra, one other thought from the field: is there a way to make the chroot get it's packages from the main root?  Whenever I update the chroot, I end up downloading many of the same files I've already downloaded to the main root.  That wouldn't matter at home, with real broadband, but in Tanzania with 3-4 KBps at top, it can mean several extra hours of download.
[06:20] <ogra> capt_kirk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins ... one could write a plugin that --bind mounts /var/cache/apt/archives to $ROOT/var/cache/apt/archives ;)
[06:33] <ogra> LaserJock, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[06:34] <LaserJock> a whole 7MB :-)
[06:34] <ogra> tuxtype ... as a testpackage
[06:34] <LaserJock> Server and Server Add-on
[06:34] <ogra> yeah
[06:34] <LaserJock> I think I like that switch
[06:35] <ogra> live is desktop now
[06:35] <LaserJock> nice
[06:35] <willvdl> ogra, maybe we can ditch CD 2 and replace with a few stiffies? :)
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: so you haven't move KDEEdu or gcompris, etc. from the first CD?
[06:37] <cbx33> LaserJock, got a sec for a packaging question
[06:37] <ogra> not yet
[06:37] <ogra> the archive is frozen
[06:37] <LaserJock> ogra: is that just a matter of a seed change?
[06:37] <ogra> yep
[06:37] <LaserJock> cool
[06:37] <LaserJock> cbx33: what's up?
[06:38] <cbx33> ogra has been helping me....but I keep interrupting him...so i thought I'd give him a break now
[06:38] <cbx33> and bug you instead
[06:38] <cbx33> :p
[06:38] <cbx33> my source pacakge has three binaries
[06:38] <cbx33> two of which require pycentral installation
[06:38] <cbx33> my pacakges build ok now
[06:39] <cbx33> but none of the python module stuff is transferred
[06:41] <cbx33> dpkg -c on the resulting pacakges shows no transfer
[06:42] <cbx33> did I just kill LaserJock
[06:43] <cbx33> damn and i just killed ogra too
[06:43] <cbx33> willvdl, looks like you're next
[06:43] <cbx33> howz your packaging :p
[06:43] <willvdl> my packaging will kill you :)
[06:43] <willvdl> try highvoltage?
[06:44] <cbx33> hheh
[06:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: back, sorry
[06:45] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to teach this afternoon
[06:45] <LaserJock> but I just found out I might not need to
[06:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: what is dpkg -c giving you?
[06:48] <cbx33> none of the files that python-central should install
[06:48] <LaserJock> no .py files get installed?
[06:49] <cbx33> nope
[06:49] <LaserJock> does the source use a setup.py?
[06:49] <cbx33> yes
[06:50] <cbx33> but that needs to serve two binary pacakges
[06:50] <cbx33> as two of my binary pacakges from the one source require python-central
[06:51] <ogra> moquist, ping
[06:55] <LaserJock> cbx33: you can use <binarypackagename>.install to direct installation I believe
[06:55] <cbx33> no
[06:55] <LaserJock> and you might need to give py_central a flag
[06:55] <cbx33> i used to do that
[06:56] <LaserJock> ogra: I have a conference this week, but when I get back (and Herd3 Freeze is over) I'll work on MIRs
[06:56] <LaserJock> the recursive dependecies are a pain though
[06:57] <LaserJock> when I look at what the package I want deps on some of them are in Universe too so I need to MIRs for them
[06:57] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you have any more info
[06:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: hard to tell without actually looking at the package
[07:28] <cbx33> LaserJock, sorry dude
[07:31] <willvdl> cbx33, what does your kino setup output? what format?
[07:31] <willvdl> I use avidemux and I get video but no sound...
[07:31] <cbx33> umm.....avi i think
[07:31] <willvdl> hmmmm
[07:31] <cbx33> sorry willvdl I'll take a lok if I get this package done ;)
[07:32] <willvdl> not a problem. it's jsut a matter of me getting the settings right
[07:32] <cbx33> i think so yes
[07:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, what you said above sounds reasonable
[07:32] <cbx33> where do i find more info?
[07:47] <cbx33> ogra, does your setup.py actually ever get run?
[07:47] <cbx33> don;t you need a line like           python$* setup.py install --root $(CURDIR)/debian/python-foo
[07:48] <cbx33> LaserJock, around?
[07:53] <LaserJock> cbx33: sorry, was actually taking with a researcher here who just installed Ubuntu
[07:53] <cbx33> excellent
[07:53] <LaserJock> he's a computer newb
[07:53] <LaserJock> but he loves Ubuntu
[07:53] <cbx33> do you have time to help me out with some pacakging?
[07:53] <cbx33> AWESOME
[07:54] <LaserJock> yeah, he even said the install wasn't hard
[07:54] <LaserJock> and his printer worked
[07:54] <LaserJock> he's Bulgarian and was really impressed that he could use his computer in Bulgarian
[07:54] <LaserJock> he thought Ubuntu had to be a UN project
[07:54] <cbx33> hehe
[07:54] <LaserJock> because how else could something this good be free
[07:55] <cbx33> hehe
[07:56] <LaserJock> cbx33: can you put the package up somewhere real quick?
[07:57] <cbx33> yeh sure
[07:57] <cbx33> mail it to you?
[07:58] <cbx33> hang on
[07:58] <cbx33> i have a place
[08:02] <cbx33> LaserJock | pm
[08:05] <Burgwork> bdoin: please turn off your away messages
[08:34] <willvdl> cbx33, stuff seems to work with AVI's but not OGGs. Kino struggles though to import but avidemux works fine for splitting (you lose the sound with OGGs but not with AVIs).
[08:34] <cbx33> ok
[08:34] <willvdl> I find it odd since they both use the same xvid codec. must have something to do with the sound overlay
[08:37] <cbx33> yeh
[08:37] <cbx33> the muxing
[08:44] <willvdl> cbx33, pity, I would like to work with OGG/Theora purely from a purist POV
[08:44] <cbx33> yeh
[08:47] <cbx33> bdoin, please turn away messages off
[08:51] <g333k_work> Hi, do you know a way to send popups messages to my clients?  (Beside fl_teachertool, I've tried it but it is not working for me)
[08:52] <cbx33> g333k_work, student control panel
[08:52] <g333k_work> cbx33, does it work with ltsp 4.2?
[08:53] <cbx33> should do
[08:53] <cbx33> what are you on
[08:53] <cbx33> dapper?
[08:53] <cbx33> edgy?
[08:53] <g333k_work> cbx33, edgy + xfce + ltsp 4.2
[08:53] <cbx33> should be good to go
[08:53] <g333k_work> cbx33, where do I have to get it from?
[08:53] <cbx33> um...
[08:53] <cbx33> sudo apt-get install student-control-panel
[08:58] <g333k_work> cbx33, I thought that the s-c-p in the repo was for ltsp 5
[08:58] <cbx33> oh
[08:59] <cbx33> I'm not sure then
[08:59] <g333k_work> :s
[08:59] <cbx33> i wrote the s-c-p in edgy
[09:00] <cbx33> but for the ltsp in edgy
[09:00] <cbx33> I'm not sure what changes there are tbh
[09:03] <moquist> ogra: pong
[09:04] <moquist> ogra: but I'm in class. I'll try to keep an eye in here occasionally, but an email will be best.
[09:05] <ogra> ok
[09:07] <cbx33> ogra, I've done it
[09:07] <cbx33> ;)
[09:08] <cbx33> ogra the setup.py file in your ltsp package
[09:08] <cbx33> it's not needed anymore
[09:08] <cbx33> it's never run
[09:11] <willvdl> thank the heavens for core duo's
[09:12] <cbx33> you mean the amd dual cores right :p
[09:13] <willvdl> no silly, intel
[09:13] <willvdl> :)
[09:16] <ogra> cbx33, indeed its needed for upstream usage
[09:16] <cbx33> ahhh ok
[09:16] <cbx33> i see
[09:16] <ogra> i want other distros to use python-ltsp
[09:16] <cbx33> may need a little help with mine
[09:27] <cbx33> bbl
[09:33] <_mark> Hi folks, I'm looking for instructions for installing a thin client on an old machine. For example, what type of Rom_o_matic image do you need? Does anyone have a URL.
[09:34] <_mark> whois _mark
[09:36] <cliebow_> _mark:what card?
[09:42] <m300107> hello, am looking for instructions for installing thin clients on an old machine. EG what type of rom-o-matic image do you need?does anyone have a url? thanks
[10:05] <cbx33> ogra, you around?
[11:13] <cbx33> phew that was tough
[11:20] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:20] <cbx33> package and some very updated vnc code done
[11:20] <cbx33> I've had to resort to threading some parts
[11:20] <cbx33> :S
[11:20] <cbx33> as the normal code was just too damn slow
[11:38] <Marxus> Hello?
[11:38] <Marxus> I need help
[11:39] <Marxus> hellooooooooooo?
[11:39] <Marxus> please?
[11:39] <cbx33> Hi Marxus
[11:39] <Marxus> Oh thankyou
[11:41] <Marxus> I was using the live cd version but as soon as it gets to the "register cd user" thing it freezes
[11:42] <cbx33> hmmm.
[11:42] <cbx33> can you give me some more info
[11:42] <cbx33> which live cd
[11:42] <Marxus> i was using a windows 95 laptop but it works on my windows xp
[11:42] <Marxus> i want to install it
[11:42] <Marxus> on the windows 95
[11:43] <cbx33> hmm....
[11:43] <cbx33> is that laptop up to spec?
[11:43] <Marxus> it freezes at the loading screen just to make it clear
[11:43] <Marxus> umm.. meaning?
[11:43] <Marxus> does it have enough ram?
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:44] <Marxus> yeah
[11:44] <Marxus> it does
[11:47] <Marxus> can i do anything? I just want to install it.
[11:47] <Marxus> I have no cd burner and my friend lent me his cd.
[11:47] <cbx33> hmmm
[11:47] <cbx33> not sure
[11:48] <cbx33> at the mo, unfortunately I have to pop off to do something
[11:48] <cliebow> souble boot the xp machine?
[11:48] <Marxus> eh?
[11:49] <cliebow> double boot the xp machine?
[11:49] <Marxus> its not xp. windows 95
[11:50] <cliebow> how mch ram?
[11:51] <Marxus> it did a memory test and i passed.... not sure anyway.
[11:52] <Marxus> *sigh*
[11:53] <cliebow> win95 prob has 32 m2g of ram  8~) check in the bios..if it diesnt show any other way
[11:53] <Marxus> whoa! I do not understand that.
[11:54] <cliebow> what sorto f lappie?
[11:54] <Marxus> gateway solo, AMD Duron.
[11:55] <cliebow> cant you get into the bios?
[11:55] <cliebow> with delete or f1 or something?
[11:55] <cliebow> should list the ram somewhere
[11:56] <Marxus> the battery is shot and i have no power cable for it, so i would have to use this one
[11:56] <Marxus> this computers power cable
[11:59] <Marxus> umm... it's useless isn't it?
[12:00] <cliebow> tough call....if the xp machine works..you do have one??make it double boot
[12:01] <Marxus> see. My OS for my windows 95 is crap so i wanted to give it something nice.... besides the XP is my mom... wouldnt want to screw it up
[12:02] <cliebow> true..can you build the os onn another machine..by mmoving hard drive?
[12:04] <Marxus> no...
[12:04] <Marxus> certainly in a pickle aren't I?
[12:07] <Marxus> maybe i should go...
[12:09] <Marxus> alright....