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| Riddell | * ana sings "internet is for pr0n, pr0n, pr0n" | 01:13 |
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| Riddell | webcollage package added | 01:13 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: feel free to merge that from debian's kdeartwork ^^ | 01:13 |
| screemo | Riddell: saw you fixed that menu, sorry for being too slow :) | 01:22 |
| screemo | time to sleep zz | 01:23 |
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| jjesse | argh | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | hey jjesse! | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | oh sod | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ping | 04:02 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: you weren't able to talk to Tonio_? | 04:03 |
| jjesse | why can't i get vmware server to work on my edgy bo | 04:03 |
| jjesse | box | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: no, wasnt here. | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: i'll have to delay the meeting now anyway - got moderated, due to too many recipients | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | if it's not on kubuntu-devel within a short amount of time...people arent going to be able to know | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: why the urgency? | 04:04 |
| Jucato | oh right... | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | trying to send things out with very little notice? | 04:05 |
| jjesse | hiya | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: ~2 days | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | hello | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: was discussed in here before that | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee: should be enough time, I guess, even if it is moderated | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | or you resend the message | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: that's when i sent it. | 04:06 |
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| ryanakca | Hobbsee: delay the meeting... what time is it at now? | 04:09 |
| Jucato | more of, what day :) | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: i've got no idea. depends how long it'll be moderated. | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: i'm thinking about that. if i resend without the extra recipients...it should go through...hrmmm... | 04:10 |
| === ryanakca has no clue what was moderated... #ubuntu-meeting? the fridge? | ||
| Jucato | the mailing list? | 04:12 |
| ryanakca | ah | 04:12 |
| jjesse | i'm going to kill this vmware-server install | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | ryanakca: mailing list | 04:19 |
| jjesse | is that a license key from jdong? | 04:19 |
| Jucato | O.o | 04:19 |
| === Jucato takes a nap... | ||
| === Hobbsee wonders about getting dapper packages made of kde 3.5.6, while herd 3 freeze is in action | ||
| Hobbsee | because we're saying "all this stuff is fixed in 3.5.6, upgrade to that" | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | instead of backporting any of our fixes | 04:26 |
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| === yuriy wonders why that's 2 separate bugs | ||
| Hobbsee | yuriy: hrm? | 04:50 |
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| yuriy | Hobbsee the kopete/kdenetwork thing. just puzzled me a bit | 04:52 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: because i'm going to fix one, and the admin archives will do the other (the removal) | 04:53 |
| yuriy | oh | 04:53 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:58 |
| Hobbsee | argh, more kopete bugs to fix | 04:58 |
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| Hobbsee | yuriy: do you have a kdebugs account? | 05:01 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: yeah | 05:01 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: can you send https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/65996 upstream please? | 05:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 65996 in kopete "Mistakes in kopete strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:01 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: sure. you don't? | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: i havent. i'm just fixing it here now | 05:02 |
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| yuriy | heh 3.5.6 isn't listed in kde bts yet | 05:10 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: heh. pity | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | the patch was for 3.5.3, but never got sent upstream | 05:12 |
| === Hobbsee wonders hwo to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/79457 | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 79457 in kopete "kopete history plugin is enabled but nonfunctional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | like, where's the config option? | 05:12 |
| yuriy | hobbsee: what about bug 63533 (kde bug 135287) that's not the same thing right? | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 63533 in kopete "Mistake in kopete string" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63533 | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 135287 in general "Mistake in kopete string" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135287 | 05:13 |
| yuriy | filed by you : ) | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: er, dunno. may well have been | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | it's not fixed? | 05:14 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: it is according to your comment, but the kde bug is not marked fixed | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: appears to be different. can you close that from there, or do i have to? | 05:16 |
| Hobbsee | oh, found it | 05:17 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: i think you have to | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: cool. report the other one then please :) | 05:17 |
| === Hobbsee pokes kde-type coding people | ||
| yuriy | Hobbsee: kde bug 140873 | 05:20 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 140873 in general "kopete incorrectly spells "occurred" as "occured" and "nickname" as "nickanme"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140873 | 05:20 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: fix committed? | 05:20 |
| yuriy | nvm | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: in ubuntu, yeah. | 05:20 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt committed yet | ||
| Hobbsee | * Add 18_kopete_icq_fix patch: fix connection to icq network introduced by | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | kopete 0.12.3. KDE SVN commit 600778. (Closes: #396391, #396398) | 05:38 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if we still need that | ||
| Hobbsee | +++ kdenetwork-3.5.5.new/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/client.cpp 2006-11-01 14:59:30.000000000 +0100 | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | @@ -340,6 +340,7 @@ | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | debian 396391 | 05:41 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 396391 in kopete "kopete: Cannot login to icq network" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/396391 | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | ah, found it | 05:47 |
| === Hobbsee pokes ScottK | ||
| Hobbsee | yuriy: can you report #71665 upstream too please? i'm feeling lazy | 05:57 |
| yuriy | heh ok | 05:58 |
| yuriy | !bug 71665 | 05:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71665 | 05:58 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 71665 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 05:58 |
| yuriy | whoa kde bts just went all crazy negative colors on me | 06:01 |
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| hunger | Good morning! | 09:59 |
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| danimo | Riddell: ping? | 10:50 |
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| screemo | hi there | 11:45 |
| screemo | Riddell: I've got that shutdown fade patch working, but I was wondering - it is possible to configure delays/black-level, so maybe I should try to incorporate that into kcmstyle (where the rubberband effect is situated) | 11:47 |
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| Riddell | screemo: where are the packages? | 12:16 |
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| screemo | Riddell: I can email you the ksmserver that I have patched | 12:19 |
| screemo | Riddell: its based on ubuntu4 | 12:20 |
| screemo | Riddell: I've sent you the binary, since the diff arent done yet | 12:21 |
| screemo | Riddell: I'm looking into changing the logout dialog to mimic that of ubuntu/xubuntu | 12:21 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: meeting on wednesday? | 12:38 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: has my message been unmoderated yet? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: which message? | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the one to kubuntu-devel ML | 12:42 |
| Riddell | why would it be moderated? | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | because it was sent to too many recipients | 12:43 |
| Riddell | there's nothing in the moderation queue | 12:43 |
| Riddell | oh, yes there is | 12:43 |
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| Hobbsee | heh | 12:45 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Meeting Wednesday 23:00 | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what are your thoughts on building a dapper version of 3.5.6, for the pure reason that we're tellingusers to upgrade, instead of backporting fixes back to 3.5.2 | 12:46 |
| Riddell | if someone I trust wants to build it, I'm happy to put it on kubuntu.org | 12:46 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you trust me? | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | hey Tonio_ | 12:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: certainly do | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh wait, i dont have a dapper pbuilder, nor a mirror. | 12:50 |
| Hobbsee | hrm | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | hi Hobbsee, Riddell | 12:51 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: there's a meeting on wednesday, 2300 UTC - can you make ti? | 12:52 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 12:52 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 12:52 |
| screemo | Riddell: I've sent you the source for that shadow fade | 12:58 |
| freeflying | Riddell: maybe I can build kde-3.5.6 for dapper | 01:00 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sure, go aheadf | 01:01 |
| Riddell | s/f// | 01:01 |
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| ScottK | Hobbsee: Good evening. (was sleeping when you poked me about 6 hrs ago) | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | hey ScottK :) | 01:20 |
| === Hobbsee tries to remember... | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, Riddell had put thru a new version of kdenetwork, which hadnt hit the archives when i made my changes. only when i went to get a sponsor. | 01:21 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation is implemented for ubuntu. cool | 01:21 |
| Jucato | wow! a 7 AM meeting? thank you Hobbsee :) | 01:22 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Do you need a Dapper box to build 3.5.6? | 01:22 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: no. pbuilder will do. | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i was going to ask you to test icq - but hte upload i was going to do never made it | 01:23 |
| ScottK | OK. I'd be glad to test it when it does. I may even have an icq number written down here somewhere.... | 01:23 |
| ScottK | If you need resources/help with Dapper 3.5.6 let me know. | 01:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam for edgy and prepare an SRU for knetworkmanager, are you okay on that point ? | 01:39 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just saw you did guidance uesterday, sorry for declining, it wasn't my choice :) | 01:40 |
| sebas | Tonio_: I just noticed that your merge plans include knetswitch :D | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hu ? should be removed from ubuntu for a while ;) | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: where did you get that info ? | 01:41 |
| sebas | Maybe I should warn you that it's much more a "I need something to do this, so I'll hack two days on it" than "This is maintained and actively developed" thing. | 01:41 |
| sebas | On your wiki page. | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | ah ;) | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | it is completly outdated ;) | 01:42 |
| sebas | OTOH, I just got a couple of patches from someone who actually uses it, and put up a new version on my website. | 01:42 |
| sebas | Ok :) | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: afaik it is nuked from ubuntu | 01:42 |
| sebas | (I don't think it's a really useful thing for most users) | 01:42 |
| sebas | Was it in? :D | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: yup, but I got it nuked | 01:42 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: when I included it it was very usefull, since knetworkmanager didn't exist :) | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | but well I had hard words with upstream who didn't accept that I focussed on knetworkmanager when it got released ;) | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | not to say he was a bit jalous | 01:43 |
| sebas | Hehehe. It's something that "just works", which networkmanager doesn't. | 01:44 |
| sebas | Networkmanager doesn't even support static IPs AFAIK. | 01:44 |
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| sebas | The approach is a bit hacky though, and no way to configure it graphically. | 01:45 |
| Riddell | it does now (that I added a menu entry to launch knetworkconf) | 01:45 |
| sebas | And then it needs a script +s, which is, well, urks. | 01:45 |
| sebas | Ah, cool. | 01:45 |
| sebas | networkmanager still is a complete mystery to me. | 01:45 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: yeah, the kind of "magic thing" that just works :) | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | la Microsoft :) | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | no way to understand, just use it | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | except that's not a good thing concerning windows | 01:46 |
| sebas | Right now, wpa_supplicant decides where I am and sets the wireless card up, netswitch is the thing I use to get a new dhcp lease or static IP. | 01:46 |
| sebas | I should check it, indeed. | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | because it is more a magic thing that "sometimes work" | 01:47 |
| sebas | I'm not arguing that netswitch is any better, it's just the first thing that worked for me after years of mobile networking pain. | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: next major version of networkmanager should include tcp/ip settings | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | good point | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | but well in my opinion, local IP settings are a totally stupid thing | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | dhcp and that's it :) | 01:48 |
| sebas | It's actually the second incarnation, I have some abandoned code the does the probing and decides itself how to connect. (doesn't work with wireless, though). | 01:48 |
| sebas | Well, for routers that support matching a MAC and then giving the same IP to the device, you don't need static IPs. | 01:48 |
| sebas | But if I want to fish:// something over to my notebook, and the IP is constantly changing, static IPs are quite useful. | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: is there something planned for network settings and kde4 ? kde3 lacks a LOT on that point | 01:49 |
| ScottK | Static IP on internal networks is a policy issue for some businesses. The technical merits aren't the issue. | 01:49 |
| sebas | And most vendor-supplied ADSL / WLAN boxen don't support that MAC-IP matching. | 01:49 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Dunno. | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: bah dhcp + mac adress to assign a fixed ip | 01:49 |
| sebas | MIght be something I'll work on once guidance-current bores me. | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I've never seen a context in which dhcp was impossible to handle... | 01:50 |
| sebas | Well, I just mentioned the stupid router that don't have that feature... | 01:50 |
| ScottK | Agree that technically it's doable, but that policy decisions get in the way. | 01:50 |
| sebas | Or cheap hardware indeed. | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: sure, that's my vision | 01:50 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I generally put all the machines of a network with dhcp, including servers and even the dhcp server itself | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I've never seen anyone complaining | 01:51 |
| ScottK | When Kubuntu moves into a new organization it needs to work with whatever is there. | 01:51 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 01:51 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: the good point is that you also centralize the fixed IP addresses, nobody sees that, but that's very usefull | 01:51 |
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| Tonio_ | the only issue with dhcp is that it requires relays (non routable) but appart from that that's nice :) | 01:52 |
| ScottK | I'm more think about the tech guy at big company X who wants to bring in Kubuntu. It doesn't help him get us a foot in the door if he has to ask for a special network config. | 01:52 |
| Tonio_ | okay archives are frozen, let's focus on SRUs !!! | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: bah knetworkconf works | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: the only thing that is hard to handle with kubuntu is wireless with wpa and local ip settings | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | that's a very specific thing | 01:54 |
| ScottK | From my perspective if you don't support WPA, then you aren't supporting wireless. | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | especially when wireless is generally very usefull with vpn, that requires dhcp -> knetworkmanager :) | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: bah we do with knetworkmanager, just that it requires dhcp | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: for fixed IP you have to manually configure wpasupplicant | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | that's the only non-trivial thing | 01:55 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I use wep at home :) not wpa | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: I have a nintendo DS -> needs wep, so if I want to play online... :) | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | but that's not companies concerns lol | 01:55 |
| ScottK | It's trivially breakable with the tools most of the script kiddies use these days. | 01:55 |
| sebas | Tonio_: Well, at google it *is* | 01:56 |
| ScottK | Better than no encryption, but not by much. | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: as is wpa | 01:56 |
| sebas | I can imagine that google has game consoles as enterprise equipment | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hehe, true ;) | 01:56 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: I'd be interested in references on wpa being trivially breakable. | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: that's not trivial, and since the key changes, you have to rehack the network every day, but that's technically possible | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | wireless IS unsecure | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | nothing is better than a cable | 01:57 |
| ScottK | OK. | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: to me the best is : | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | opened wireless network with vpn access | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | don't manage security with the wireless | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | an opened network giving you access to the vpn server only and that's it | 01:59 |
| === ScottK believes in belt and suspenders when it comes to security - Defense in depth. | ||
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| Lure | Tonio_: if you can work on my SRU, it would ge great | 01:59 |
| === Lure is at work and cannot do it before evening. | ||
| Lure | Tonio_: bug 75017 needs minor change and discussion with pitti | 02:00 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 02:00 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and btw, wpa2 (with aes) should be safe afair | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: why did you drop certain build deps when incorporating kopete back into kdenetwork? | 02:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I did? | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yes. | 02:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's that? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | as in, which were they? | 02:05 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll have a look once mu srus are done | 02:06 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks - if you cannot do it, I will at the evening | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we provide an sru for 3.5.5 including the kwallet patch ? | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: can you upload http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff please? | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: or backport 3.5.6 including that patch too ? | 02:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the kwallet issue is very important | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: backport is probably the easiest way to get that in in my opinion | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what do you want in edgy official repos, 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 ? | 02:08 |
| === Jucato finally sees Hobbsee... | ||
| Hobbsee | hey Jucato1 | 02:09 |
| Riddell | edgy official won't get 3.5.6 | 02:09 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I mean, I finally get to see what you look like :P | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ahhh. you found the pictures linked to that? | 02:10 |
| Jucato | :D | 02:10 |
| === Jucato has a big grin | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: does adding libssl and libjingle not create new files to be installed? | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hrm. not sure | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what do you mean? | 02:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: compiling.. | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool | 02:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it might make new plugins that need to be added to kopete.install, (or it might not) | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh | 02:13 |
| Hobbsee | how do i check? | 02:13 |
| Riddell | debuild && dh_install --list-missing | 02:13 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: let's go with an sru then | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | the sru process is hudge, really... | 02:17 |
| Riddell | I know | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well it depends on the issue fixed, but when it is just a fixed .install file (like digikam)....... it looks a lot of bureaucracy for a very trivial fix | 02:18 |
| Riddell | I agree | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: indeed. i suspect a lot of people avoid them as a result | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yup, to be honnest I would avoid little fixes due to that... | 02:19 |
| === Hobbsee does | ||
| serzholino | hi. is there any way i can request merge for package in universe? | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the result is probably people going with backports when it's fixed in the devel distro | 02:20 |
| === Hobbsee uploaded stuff to -proposed 35 days ago. it's now ready for the new diff to be made to hit -updates | ||
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: haha, better saying "wait for feisty to be out" :) | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | yep :P | 02:21 |
| serzholino | here is it http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/sim | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | yay, it's the 31st :) | 02:21 |
| serzholino | debian already has newer version, with important fixes in icq protocol | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | !info sim feisty | 02:23 |
| ubotu | sim: Simple Instant Messenger (KDE). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3335 kB, installed size 9304 kB | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | okay, there is ubuntu specific, so I can upload myself | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | serzholino: i'll do it | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | merge with debian and ubuntu changes | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: bah. that's what i was about to say :P | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | serzholino: I'll upload once the freeze ends | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: it's in universe. | 02:24 |
| serzholino | Tonio_: thanks a lot :) | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | http://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sim/ looks like an easy merge | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yup | 02:25 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ah, good universe isn't frozen ? | 02:25 |
| serzholino | but there was also changes in debian packaging fot it | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: not for a knot freeze | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | er, a herd freeze | 02:25 |
| serzholino | now it builds 3 packages | 02:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yeah I forgot it :) | 02:26 |
| serzholino | data, and bilt with kde, and built with qt only | 02:26 |
| Jucato | !schedule | 02:26 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 02:26 |
| Jucato | darn! feature freeze so near... | 02:26 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: how does one test this sparkly new dist-upgrader tool? | 02:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: wait for mvo to merge and upload it | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right. | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: does he move quicker if poked with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a few times? | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 02:30 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: worth asking him if that would help, but I guess it's blocked on herd freeze now | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: good point. pity | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: come to think of it - might be a good tool for this herd, though | 02:31 |
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| Jucato | who can I talk to about System Settings? | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: people? Sime | 02:34 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's up? | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the sky. i was thinking that lots of people would test the dist-upgrader when upgrading to the herd release. well, doing the updates after the cd. | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | nothing major | 02:35 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ok, I hope he's in. I talked to el before about some system settings problems, but I didn't know if I should have filed bug reports for them | 02:35 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ahh. not sure | 02:36 |
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| Hobbsee | night all | 02:55 |
| === DoomStick is now known as LongPointyStick | ||
| Jucato | night LongPointyStick :) | 02:56 |
| LongPointyStick | night Jucato | 02:56 |
| Jucato | does the system settings in feisty have the Panel settings again? | 03:14 |
| mhb | LongPointyStick: goodnight | 03:14 |
| LongPointyStick | night mhb | 03:15 |
| mhb | LongPointyStick: you poked me the other day | 03:15 |
| mhb | LongPointyStick: right? | 03:15 |
| LongPointyStick | mhb: indeed. dont remember what for though. oh yes, now i do. | 03:15 |
| LongPointyStick | that proposed ML thing - probably can have stuff added to it now | 03:15 |
| mhb | LongPointyStick: which proposed ML thing: | 03:16 |
| mhb | ? | 03:16 |
| LongPointyStick | mhb: the one for testers | 03:16 |
| mhb | ah | 03:16 |
| mhb | LongPointyStick: I'm still not sure what you mean, but it's bedtime for you ... we can solve it later :o) | 03:17 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: your sru is approved, I'll upload to proposed | 03:28 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:48 |
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| manchicken | Hello all you happy people. | 04:02 |
| Jucato | hi manchicken! | 04:03 |
| manchicken | How goes it? | 04:03 |
| Jucato | doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :) | 04:03 |
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| bddebian | Heya manchicken, Jucato | 04:15 |
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| manchicken | wuddup? | 04:16 |
| Jucato | doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :) | 04:17 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Sweet. | 04:17 |
| Jucato | oh.. I said that lol | 04:17 |
| manchicken | Yes, you did ;) | 04:17 |
| === Jucato still considering applying for membership... still undecided... | ||
| nixternal | Jucato: stop being undecided and go for it already! you too manchicken! | 04:19 |
| Jucato | hehe hi nixternal :) | 04:20 |
| === nixternal +1 Jucato && +1 manchicken | ||
| Jucato | yipee! I have a supporter. please be there in the meeting lol :) | 04:20 |
| nixternal | and I am sure Hobbsee and Riddell will agree after drilling you with the harshest interview imaginable :) | 04:20 |
| manchicken | w00t! manchicken FTW! | 04:20 |
| Jucato | hah! I hope they don't ask me much about technical stuff, or using Launchpad's services... | 04:21 |
| nixternal | manchicken: NO! the BEARS FTW! | 04:21 |
| manchicken | w00t! GO BEARS! | 04:21 |
| nixternal | Jucato: what have you done? what are your plans with Kubuntu? | 04:21 |
| Jucato | I couldn't navigate my way through LP if my life depended on it | 04:21 |
| Jucato | nixternal: writing up my wiki as we speak :) | 04:21 |
| nixternal | those are the 2 biggies, and if you have some Karma that is always good | 04:21 |
| nixternal | good deal, I have to go to school :* | 04:22 |
| nixternal | err, :) | 04:22 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:22 |
| === Jucato has 70,000+ karma... | ||
| nixternal | oh, you are good to go | 04:25 |
| manchicken | I don't think I have that much karma | 04:26 |
| manchicken | +732 karma | 04:26 |
| Jucato | I have that much because of bug triaging, some of which I owe to jdong | 04:27 |
| Jucato | and his flash mess :) | 04:27 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:29 |
| manchicken | I've gotten a lot lately. I used to have only +1?? something. | 04:29 |
| manchicken | I wonder if all the screwing around in launchpad did something | 04:30 |
| Jucato | I thought you'd get more if you did code work and stuff.. I think you should get more for your heroic (martyr?) work on Adept | 04:30 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:31 |
| manchicken | Hardly heroic. | 04:32 |
| manchicken | the tooltip patch I sent out the other day may have performance problems. | 04:32 |
| manchicken | I'm gonna have to look at it again this weekend. | 04:32 |
| Jucato | by heroic, I mean "doing something that few people dare or want to do" :P | 04:32 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:33 |
| manchicken | It's code. That's just what I do ^_^ | 04:33 |
| Jucato | heh something I could only dream of doing... for now | 04:33 |
| manchicken | You can do anything you stubbornly sit down and put your mind to. | 04:34 |
| Jucato | hm... sit down and put my mind to... | 04:35 |
| === Jucato suddenly remembers a certain white "sitting device" | ||
| manchicken | Heh | 04:35 |
| manchicken | You can code there too. | 04:35 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 04:36 |
| Jucato | strangely enough, some of my best ideas come to me when I'm in there :P | 04:36 |
| Jucato | I should bring a pen and paper inside with me next time... | 04:36 |
| manchicken | Shower works to. But don't code there. | 04:36 |
| manchicken | too* | 04:36 |
| Jucato | nah... Showers makes my mind go ZzzZzzzz | 04:37 |
| manchicken | I get a lot of good ideas on the bus. | 04:38 |
| === Jucato has written only 2 patches in his entire life... neither of which have been accepted yet upstream nor are that hard to do in the first place... | ||
| manchicken | It's not about doing something hard. | 04:41 |
| manchicken | It's about doing something useful. | 04:41 |
| manchicken | Regardless of scale. | 04:41 |
| manchicken | I haven't made any huge leaps and/or bounds on adept either. | 04:41 |
| Jucato | I consider those relatively huge :) | 04:41 |
| manchicken | Gosh, I don't. I haven't changed more than 2 files at a time yet. | 04:42 |
| manchicken | Most of my work has been done in the same 2 files. | 04:42 |
| Jucato | :) | 04:43 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: thanks | 04:51 |
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| Tonio_ | imbrandon: ping ? I'm still waiting for the ibm account infos :) hehe | 04:59 |
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| manchicken | Tonio_: Got a minute for /msg? | 05:15 |
| Lure | Riddell: kpowersave is putting even more options in UI: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/01/kpowersave-outlook-to-072.html | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | manchicken: guickly but yes :) | 05:18 |
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| stdin | hardware | 05:35 |
| Jucato | Sime: hi! if you have the time, could you please take a look at these 2 systemsettings issues. I talked to el about them in passing. | 05:35 |
| Jucato | Sime: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/74583 | 05:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:35 |
| Jucato | Sime: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/82285 | 05:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 05:35 |
| stdin | opps, that was supposed to be a message to someone :) | 05:35 |
| Jucato | stdin: :P | 05:35 |
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| TheInfinity | hmm ... when will alpha3 be released? | 05:55 |
| apokryphos | ubotu: schedule | 05:56 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule | 05:56 |
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| Tonio_ | wow, that's an issue | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you notice kcontrol is empty except from that obew thing ? | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | obex | 06:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what version of kdebase do you have? | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | 3.5.6-0ubuntu4 | 06:06 |
| stdin | I have that same issue too, had it since herd 1 install | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, I'll test on a new profile, added to my todo list | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | I have to leave for a moment, bbl | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we also have to patch to hide that obex thing in kmenu, that should be kcontrol only thing | 06:07 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: see bug 80444 | 06:08 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80444 | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll fix this, shouldn't be that complicated | 06:08 |
| Tonio_ | will work on that tomorrow | 06:09 |
| stdin | it seems fixed now, since 2.5.6 | 06:09 |
| stdin | haven't checked before | 06:09 |
| stdin | *hadn't | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | stdin: it is not, I have 3.5.6 and I have the issue | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | stdin: but that's probably not hard stuff to fix | 06:09 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I just did a fresh install of a live CD with kdebase-data 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 on it and that has a broken kcontrol menu, upgrading to 3.5.6-0ubuntu4 fixes it | 06:10 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-users has gone a bit mad today | 06:11 |
| stdin | it's always mad on there | 06:12 |
| stdin | every month or so someone kicks off on something | 06:12 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe there is something changed in kcontrol that breaks with ~/.kde settings | 06:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll investigate tomorrow, that's on my todo list now :) | 06:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: don't have any $XDG... environment variables set to you? | 06:14 |
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| ScottK | Has anyone else been experiencing memory leaks with guidance-power manager? | 06:16 |
| Riddell | ScottK: people have been complaining about them yes | 06:16 |
| Riddell | lure was looking into it but didn't find anything | 06:16 |
| ScottK | Hmmm | 06:16 |
| ScottK | In the install I did yesterday it's pretty rapid and continuous. | 06:17 |
| === ScottK wonders if there's anything written down about what was looked at before? | ||
| Riddell | well the recent change has been adding CPU scaling stuff | 06:18 |
| Riddell | and the idle time detection | 06:18 |
| Riddell | so those are the candidates | 06:18 |
| ScottK | In my case it pushed my old Latitude L400 over the edge into swap and makes it almost unusable in short order. | 06:18 |
| ScottK | On this machine CPU scaling never shows anything at all. | 06:19 |
| ScottK | Would that tend to implicate it or exhonrate it in your opinion? | 06:19 |
| ScottK | exhonrate/exhonorate | 06:20 |
| Riddell | it would suggest so | 06:21 |
| ScottK | Sorry, did that mean implicate or exhonorate? | 06:22 |
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| === toma can't deal with python mem leaks | ||
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| Riddell | if there's no cpu scaling on that machine, but you still have memory problems, it exhonorates cpu scaling from the problem and implicates idle detection | 06:23 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 06:23 |
| Riddell | hi Lure, what did you try when looking for the guidance memory leak? | 06:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: using gc module, but it is very hard to see what is on (Qt has plenty of objects) :-* | 06:24 |
| Lure | Riddell: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-gc.html | 06:26 |
| Lure | Riddell: problem is that there are 65000 objects allocated in cca 15 minute run of powermanager | 06:26 |
| Lure | :-( | 06:26 |
| Riddell | lots of objects then | 06:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: lots of "variant_level" objects | 06:27 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am suspecting this could be some left over from Qt/KDE class or something... | 06:28 |
| ScottK | Lure: Just before you came on I was mentioning that I'm having a lot of trouble with this on an old Latitude L400 I put Feisty on. | 06:31 |
| Lure | ScottK: what kind of problem? | 06:31 |
| ScottK | Steadily growing memory usage | 06:31 |
| Lure | ScottK: ok, that is known bug (even though nobody submitted bug :-(, so I was unaware until yesterday) | 06:32 |
| Lure | ScottK: I am trying my best, but not much tools for memory leak detection for python | 06:32 |
| ScottK | The L400 is right on the edge of being in swap normally and this drives it there and makes it almost unusable. | 06:32 |
| ScottK | OK | 06:32 |
| Lure | ScottK: and python garbage collection does not make it easier | 06:32 |
| Lure | ScottK: yep, it adds 1 MB of memory every couple of minutes... | 06:33 |
| ScottK | That's about right. | 06:33 |
| ScottK | I do some Python work. I'd be willing to help solve the problem. | 06:33 |
| === ScottK is not an expert however. | ||
| ScottK | Would it be useful for me to at least submit a bug on this? | 06:34 |
| Lure | ScottK: I will now try binary search on SVN repository to see if this is new bug or was it there with old version or is it there for ages... | 06:36 |
| ScottK | Sounds good. | 06:36 |
| === ScottK wonders about Python 2.5 issues? | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't think soo concerning $XDG, I'll investigate | 06:36 |
| Lure | ScottK: you can submit the bug, at least we will have something to close | 06:37 |
| ScottK | OK. Will do. | 06:37 |
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| ScottK | Lure: FYI, Bug #82313 | 06:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313 | 06:41 |
| Lure | ScottK: thanks | 06:41 |
| ScottK | No problem. Be glad to help out if I can. | 06:42 |
| Lure | ScottK: can you confirm that this was not a problem on edgy? | 06:42 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what are you using to measure memory usage? | 06:42 |
| ScottK | I was looking at Ksysguard and ps -AF both at different times. | 06:43 |
| === ScottK has to swap laptop hard drives to go look at Edgy... | ||
| Riddell | I've never heard it reported on edgy, and several people have reported it recently on feisty | 06:43 |
| Lure | ScottK: you should have noticed it before if it would eat it up to swap level as now on feisty | 06:44 |
| ScottK | I'd be curious to see what would happen if one installed Herd 2 with Python 2.4 and then updated to the current powermanager without upgrading to Python 2.5 | 06:44 |
| ScottK | Lure: True, but I'm not sure that's the power manager I have installed in Edgy. | 06:45 |
| ScottK | That's what I want to go check. | 06:45 |
| Lure | ScottK: good question... it could be python 2.5 related | 06:45 |
| ScottK | I wish I | 06:45 |
| ScottK | ... | 06:45 |
| ScottK | I wish I'd known about this yesterday before I upgraded to Python 2.5... | 06:45 |
| Riddell | just run it from python 2.4 | 06:46 |
| ScottK | Good point. | 06:46 |
| Sime | powermanager needs a small modules that 2.4 might not have. | 06:47 |
| ScottK | Edgy is booting right now. I'll try that after I switch back to Feisty. | 06:47 |
| Lure | Riddell: will probably not work as some depends may not be there anymore for 2.4 (dbus...) | 06:48 |
| Lure | Sime: right xf86misc... | 06:48 |
| ScottK | OK. I had guidance-power manager in Edgy, so that question's answered. | 06:51 |
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| ScottK | Perhaps if I rebuilt the Edgy version of guidance-power manager (0.7 IIRC) and run it on Feisty that would tell us something... | 06:52 |
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| Lure | ScottK: I am just testing edgy-time powermanager from svn - will know in couple of minutes | 06:56 |
| ScottK | OK | 06:56 |
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| Lure | hi allee | 07:00 |
| allee | hi Lure | 07:00 |
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| Lure | ScottK: edgy version (w/ python 2.5) is either much slower on memory or not leaking at all (around 20 MB) | 07:04 |
| ScottK | I'd imagine that narrows it down. | 07:04 |
| ScottK | The build-depends for it certainly end up pulling down a LOT of packages on a new install. | 07:05 |
| Lure | ScottK: no I got jump to 23 MB :-( | 07:07 |
| ScottK | Well that still narrows it down then. | 07:07 |
| Lure | Tonio_: did you upload .hidden sru to -proposed or is this still pending (not seen it on edgy-changes) | 07:10 |
| === Lure testing python2.4 + edgy (no depend on xf86misc) | ||
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| Lure | still using couple of megs in 10 minutes (18 -> 23) - 1MB/2 min | 07:24 |
| Lure | :-( It looks like it would make sense to try edgy | 07:25 |
| Lure | Any kubuntu edgy laptop user here? | 07:25 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 07:27 |
| ScottK | I need to swap hard drives again... | 07:27 |
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| Riddell | bddebian: beastie 80444 should be fixed with kdenetwork -0ubuntu4 | 07:32 |
| bddebian | moi? :-) | 07:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | Lure: I am here with Edgy laptop | 07:32 |
| Lure | ScottK-laptop: great - can you watch memory usage with top? | 07:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | bddebian: He's picking on you because you didn't apply my courier merge yet... | 07:33 |
| ScottK-laptop | Lure: sure | 07:33 |
| bddebian | ScottK-laptop: What was the problem with courier anyway? I don't remember it being a difficult merge when I did it? | 07:33 |
| Riddell | bddebian: ah no, I wanted bdmurray | 07:34 |
| bddebian | Ah, I didn't think you loved me anymore.. ;-) | 07:34 |
| ScottK-laptop | bddebian: lintian whined and cried about all kinds of errors. That and my inexperience at packaging made for a fun combination. | 07:34 |
| ScottK-laptop | Lure: So far it's staying right at 20m. I'll let it run for a while. | 07:36 |
| Lure | ScottK-laptop: ok, leave it for 10 minutes or so | 07:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | Will do | 07:36 |
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| screemo | hi there | 07:43 |
| ScottK-laptop | hey there | 07:44 |
| screemo | I was wondering, do any of you experience knetworkmanager failing (ie. not picking up default wireless connection) when KDE starts ? | 07:44 |
| screemo | Mine just loads, and then disappears. If I log out, and in again - it works again. | 07:45 |
| screemo | thats on feisty | 07:46 |
| === ScottK-laptop doesn't think it's a devel issue. You'd probably be better off in #ubuntu+1. | ||
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| screemo | ScottK-laptop: so you think its a support question ? | 07:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | Lure: It's been 10 minutes and it's still right on 20m | 07:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | Yes. | 07:47 |
| screemo | ScottK-laptop: nope, definitely a bug | 07:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | Did you file a bug? | 07:47 |
| screemo | ScottK-laptop: i will | 07:47 |
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| ScottK-laptop | Lure: I think it's safe to say that the memory leak is not in Edgy. | 07:49 |
| Lure | ScottK: thanks... | 07:51 |
| ScottK | No problem. Let me know if I can do anything else to help. | 07:51 |
| Lure | ScottK: then it is probably PyQt or PyKDE | 07:51 |
| screemo | he left | 07:51 |
| screemo | sorry wrong channel | 07:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: should we rebuild PyQt/PyKDE now with python 2.5 in? | 07:52 |
| === ScottK knows zip about PyQt/PyKDE. | ||
| === Lure does not know what else could be the delta... | ||
| Riddell | Lure: in feisty? don't they already use 2.5? | 07:53 |
| Lure | ScottK: did you notice this bug recently? | 07:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: we do, but I was thinking if any rebuild would be required with 2.5 | 07:53 |
| Lure | Riddell: last upload of PyQt was when python 2.4 was there | 07:54 |
| Lure | ScottK: I am thinking if this was introduced inbetween the releases. | 07:54 |
| === Lure will try Herd2 Live CD | ||
| ScottK | I just set up my Feisty drive yesterday. | 07:55 |
| screemo | I got a feisty on vmware if you need any help | 07:56 |
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| Sime | any had experiance with KMail + IMAP? | 08:46 |
| Sime | ^ anyone | 08:47 |
| ScottK | Brief and unpleasant. | 08:47 |
| apokryphos | mailody's meant to be quite good | 08:48 |
| Sime | toma was telling me how (not) well kmail works with IMAP... | 08:49 |
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| === ScottK has never really found an IMAP implementation he was confident of. | ||
| Tonio_ | Sime: that kind ? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660 | 08:50 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] | 08:50 |
| Tonio_ | Sime: that happened to me today, I lost about 300 emails | 08:51 |
| goldenear | I still have a bug with duplicated email from emap when using bogofilter in kmail :( | 08:51 |
| goldenear | I've noticed that yesterday when I switch bogofilter on again | 08:52 |
| Sime | I use POP3 + Kmail now, but I might switch to IMAP + THunderbird. | 08:52 |
| Sime | I want to have emai on 2 machines. | 08:52 |
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| allee | Lure: fyi: after 45 min guidance-p-m has identical memory usage: 55228 20m 12m (edgy laptop Dell D600) | 08:53 |
| Lure | allee: thanks | 08:54 |
| Lure | allee: just confirmed on feisty herd2 that there is no memory leak (after 35 minutes) | 08:54 |
| Lure | allee, ScottK, Riddell: so it it herd2/herd3 delta (python 2.5, powermanager or something else) | 08:54 |
| === Lure thinks is python 2.5 or related | ||
| === ScottK would vote Python2.5 with no additional data. | ||
| ScottK | If so, it probably affects other stuff too, but no one notices. | 08:55 |
| Lure | ScottK: when did you first noticed this bug? | 08:56 |
| ScottK | When I set up my first Feisty box yesterday. | 08:56 |
| ScottK | I installed from Herd 2 and then immediately upgraded everything. | 08:57 |
| Lure | we had python-dbus problem in last week (powermanager failed on startup) do to python-dbus upgrade | 08:57 |
| Lure | it may be python-dbus 0.80 related | 08:57 |
| Lure | Riddell: when did you get first complaints about memory leak? | 08:57 |
| Lure | I first heard about the problem yesterday (fdoving, mhb) | 08:58 |
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| Lure | fdoving, mhb: around? when did you notice powermanager memory leak? | 09:00 |
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| goldenear | about kmail : is there a function to delete all mails marked as spam in a folder ? | 09:22 |
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| fdoving | Lure: i noticed it yesteday, because my laptop started to use swap for everything. slowness. | 09:25 |
| fdoving | told you as soon as i noticed. | 09:25 |
| Lure | fdoving: ok, so it might be python-dbus 0.80 related... | 09:25 |
| fdoving | might be. | 09:25 |
| fdoving | i've got 14 days of uptime today. | 09:26 |
| Lure | fdoving: will try to downgrade | 09:26 |
| Lure | Riddell, Tonio_: I applied for MOTU if you are around (TB meeting going on ;-) | 09:26 |
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| Jucato | manchicken: hehe I see you've applied :) | 09:46 |
| manchicken | Yup. | 09:46 |
| manchicken | This is weird. | 09:46 |
| manchicken | Before it said my karma was like +700 something. | 09:46 |
| manchicken | Now it says +68 | 09:46 |
| Jucato | O.o | 09:46 |
| Jucato | what's your luanchpad page? | 09:46 |
| manchicken | https://launchpad.net/~manchicken | 09:47 |
| Lure | manchicken: they change this often ;-) | 09:47 |
| Lure | manchicken: mine went from 1.2mio to 5812 | 09:47 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 09:47 |
| Lure | manchicken: do not bother about karma | 09:47 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 09:47 |
| manchicken | I wasn't sure it mattered or not. | 09:47 |
| Jucato | lol | 09:48 |
| Jucato | speaking of which, my 79,000+ became 538 just now :) | 09:48 |
| fdoving | ouch, i was just about to find something to do to get 4mill. | 09:49 |
| Jucato | heheh | 09:50 |
| fdoving | better go do something else then. | 09:50 |
| fdoving | 33360 doesn't look that cool. :) | 09:50 |
| fdoving | bye. | 09:50 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: too late ;-) | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: you were going for MOTU? did you tell me, and i forgot, or did you not tell me? | 10:05 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I applied on meeting itself, so it was hard to get testemonials | 10:05 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: I applied as I alwasy foget to apply ;-) | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: ahh...happy to testify, if htey bring it up later | 10:05 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: will be the first one to try new council process | 10:06 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: even better ;-) | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did you not have time to look at kdenetwork, or did you not have time to upload it? or has soyuz eaten it? | 10:22 |
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| DaSkreech | Whats the nature of the meeting today? | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: which one? | 10:32 |
| DaSkreech | Technical Board meeting | 10:32 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: do you think this is good enough? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jucato | 10:33 |
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| Lure | Hobbsee: main is frozen - maybe that is the reason you do not see it | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: mithrandir said it was fine as long as Riddell thought it was | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: and when i first found a sponsor for it, main wasnt frozen | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | (riddell had uploaded another version that hadnt actually been propogated when i grabbed the source - i had to go to work, then fix it when i came home | 10:41 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: ok, then it is Riddell for blame ;-) | 10:41 |
| === Hobbsee blames Riddell :) | ||
| Tm_T | Hrr, in 9 hours I should be in FLUG booth speaking glory of Linux :p | 10:47 |
| Tm_T | Hm, have to take this MS-DOS 5.0 User Guide and Reference with me I think. | 10:50 |
| Jucato | ... | 10:50 |
| Jucato | what does the F stand for? | 10:50 |
| Tm_T | Finnish | 10:51 |
| Jucato | oooh | 10:51 |
| Jucato | Start :) | 10:51 |
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| Tm_T | Start? | 10:51 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: Start to Finnish :P | 10:51 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: sir, may I PM you? | 10:51 |
| claydoh | kde 3.5.6 packages are in edgy-updates? are these packages compatible with those on Kubuntu.org? | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | If you're selling something, then no. | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | Sure. | 10:52 |
| Jucato | hi claydoh | 10:52 |
| === claydoh looks for an answer to a kfn post | ||
| Jucato | claydoh: heh saw that too? | 10:52 |
| claydoh | hello Jucato | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | claydoh: they wouldnt be in edgy updates. will you be at the meeting tonight? | 10:52 |
| claydoh | maybe, it is may be hard to make it on time | 10:52 |
| Jucato | claydoh: can you ask the OP to do an apt-cache policy on the package that he says is being updated from edgy-updates? it might be from kubuntu.org | 10:53 |
| claydoh | there are 3.5.6 packages in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ | 10:53 |
| Jucato | Tm_T: heh I'll PM later :P | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | claydoh: feisty ones, by any chance? | 10:53 |
| Tm_T | Jucato: Make it quick, will be sleeping in few hours. ;) | 10:54 |
| === claydoh smacks forehead | ||
| Hobbsee | claydoh: :) | 10:54 |
| claydoh | better me than the pointy stick :) | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, awww | 10:56 |
| Hobbsee | claydoh: nah, i'll use that in hte meeting. :D | 10:56 |
| Jucato | hah :) | 10:56 |
| claydoh | my wife has her own anyway | 10:56 |
| === Hobbsee uses her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on her uni site | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: does my wiki look ok? are you sure you people don't bite applicants? | 10:57 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: only glanced, sorry. following 2 meetings at once isnt easy | 10:57 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ah ok.. TB and ops right? | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 10:58 |
| Jucato | sorry... later then | 10:58 |
| DaSkreech | whats the TB meeting about? | 10:58 |
| DaSkreech | They are making a new group of .. somethings? | 10:59 |
| Hobbsee | MOTU council, among other things | 10:59 |
| Jucato | Greyskull... | 11:00 |
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| ScottK | Heya Hobsee. | 11:01 |
| ScottK | Can you use the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM on power-manager? | 11:01 |
| ScottK | The new one is out of control somehow - Bug #82313 | 11:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313 | 11:02 |
| claydoh | hmmm 23;00 utc = 18:00 EST (6 PM) might be there for a bit of it | 11:04 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: nick completion is your friend. | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | Hobsse: hm? | 11:04 |
| === ScottK is learning that... | ||
| Hobbsee | ScottK: adri2000 got MOTU? | 11:05 |
| ScottK | That's my understanding. | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 11:05 |
| ScottK | I was on a long telcon with a client and am just catching up on scrollback, so I may have misread something. | 11:05 |
| === ajmitch wonders what remains for world domination | ||
| === ScottK runs off to pick up the eldest from school... | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:06 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Reviewing my package? | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | nope | 11:06 |
| ScottK | I was afraid of that. | 11:06 |
| ScottK | oh well... | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | beating my head against php code | 11:06 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: Lure's looking at it | 11:07 |
| ScottK | Cool | 11:07 |
| ScottK | He and I talked earlier. | 11:07 |
| Lure | ScottK: yep, I am downgrading python-dbus currently | 11:07 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Isn't that kind of redundant. | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: sadly | 11:07 |
| ScottK | Sounds fun. | 11:07 |
| ScottK | It's snowing hard here and the eldest is waiting, so I probably better really go pick her up from school now... | 11:08 |
| ScottK | bye for now. | 11:08 |
| Jucato | claydoh: what timezone are you in again? | 11:12 |
| claydoh | US Eastern | 11:12 |
| claydoh | -5 | 11:12 |
| Jucato | ok. thanks | 11:12 |
| === Jucato makes mental notes... | ||
| === claydoh works odd hours, people get hungry at the worst times :) | ||
| Hobbsee | hrm | 11:13 |
| === Hobbsee hungry | ||
| Jucato | claydoh: I may get in touch of you one of these days. you a bit free to work on KFN? have you been in touch with Open Source? | 11:13 |
| claydoh | I post a fair bit, not in direct contact with OS, but he's usually available if he isn't away | 11:14 |
| claydoh | I have some time here and there | 11:14 |
| Jucato | heh problem is, when is he not away... :) | 11:14 |
| claydoh | the military does that :) | 11:15 |
| Jucato | phooey :P | 11:15 |
| claydoh | cool, anyway . feel free to contact me :0 | 11:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I had a problem with kdenetwork, it didn't compile properly, probably just my machine being funny | 11:17 |
| Jucato | claydoh: don't worry, I will heheh :) | 11:17 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hrm, okay. | 11:17 |
| === Hobbsee might try to compile it here | ||
| claydoh | you know where to find me :) | 11:17 |
| Lure | ScottK: yep, it is python-dbus 0.80!!! | 11:25 |
| ScottK | OK. Now what? | 11:25 |
| Lure | ScottK: I will contact upstream to see if they have any explaination | 11:25 |
| === ScottK is back from school. | ||
| ScottK | OK. | 11:25 |
| Lure | ScottK: it might be that we are doing something wrong and it did not trigger it before, or there is a bug in python-dbus | 11:26 |
| ScottK | Let me know if I can help out with something. | 11:26 |
| Lure | ScottK: python-dbus 0.80 was named "Everything changes" release ;-) | 11:28 |
| Lure | ScottK: http://www.j5live.com/?cat=14 | 11:28 |
| ScottK | That doesn't sound good. | 11:28 |
| ScottK | At the very least we perhaps ought to jump from The Everything changes release (0.80.0 to 0.80.0 the oops release... | 11:30 |
| ScottK | The second 0.80.0 should be 0.80.1 | 11:30 |
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| Hobbsee | ScottK: main's frozen now | 11:33 |
| ScottK | Maybe somebody will make a Feisty package for 0.80.1 and we can test it until main unfreezes? | 11:33 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: one of you meetings is over :P | 11:33 |
| Hobbsee | yep | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | actually, both are | 11:34 |
| === Hobbsee is just fighting the uni site | ||
| Jucato | hehe ;) | 11:34 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: got it working now, uploading.. | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool, thanks :) | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: want me to poke mithrandir to accept it, or will you? | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/printable.asp.html | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | yay, big proposed timetable... | 11:38 |
| === Hobbsee looks at semester 2 monday - ouch. | ||
| Jucato | asp... hm... | 11:39 |
| === ScottK never liked 0900 classes. Too early. | ||
| Jucato | monday is as bad as tuesday :P | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: me neither! | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yeah, true that. | 11:40 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: wait 10 minutes then politely poke him | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: pity i cant change it - 29 hours takes ages | 11:40 |
| ScottK | I had a 0800 class first semester of my first year of college. Never again. | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: of course :) | 11:40 |
| Jucato | O.O | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do you think i go around poking everyone with my pointy stick? sheesh! | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:40 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: I just did the unimaginable... I added my name to the list O.O | 11:44 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: woot! | 11:46 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 11:46 |
| Jucato | do I need to prepare something to introduce myself in the meeting or will the wiki be enough? | 11:47 |
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| Hobbsee | yeah. 3 liner. | 11:48 |
| === Hobbsee got to skip the three liner when going for MOTU :) | ||
| Hobbsee | said i'd been hacking kaffeine all night, so i hadnt had time. | 11:49 |
| === ajmitch got into MOTU long before any such formality | ||
| Lure | ScottK: we have 0.80.1 | 11:49 |
| Jucato | heh not going for that yet... someday maybe | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | since there were only about 3 or 4 of us | 11:49 |
| ScottK | Lure: Thanks. Misread the version number... | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: lucky :P | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | hard to believe it's been that long now | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | you're just getting old, ajmitch | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | true | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | so are you :P | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:51 |
| Lure | ajmitch: never tell this to woman | 11:52 |
| Lure | ;-) | 11:52 |
| === Hobbsee loves error code -12263 | ||
| ajmitch | it's alright, I've met Hobbsee ;) | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | she's harmless | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | hha | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | sure about that? | 11:52 |
| ajmitch | yep | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | all talk ;) | 11:53 |
| === Lure thinks about long pointy stick... | ||
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Did you see my additions to the Meeting page? | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: havent looked yet, sorry. | 11:53 |
| manchicken | That's cool ^_^ | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | argh, why's the agenda not in the meeting? | 11:53 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: what he wanted to say was that he's also applying :) | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | ahh :) | 11:53 |
| === ajmitch wonders if he could apply | ||
| Hobbsee | ajmitch: no. | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | darn | 11:54 |
| === Jucato hopes they don't throw techy questions at him tomorrow | ||
| manchicken | w00t! Jucato! | 11:54 |
| manchicken | Ooh, I should link my wiki like Jucato did. | 11:54 |
| Jucato | manchicken: you should :P | 11:54 |
| Riddell | Lure: you never said you were going for MOTU! | 11:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: I know ;-) | 11:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: I always forget to plan this, so I applied when I have seen TB was there ;-) | 11:55 |
| Lure | Riddell: now I will be able to play guinea pig for MUTU council ;-) | 11:56 |
| Lure | s/MUTU/MOTU/ | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | lucky you | 11:57 |
| manchicken | There we go. Wiki is linked. | 11:57 |
| Hobbsee | woo :) | 11:57 |
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| Hobbsee | ash211: going for membership on wednesday? | 11:57 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: do you have the URL for the meeting agenda handy? | 11:57 |
| manchicken | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 11:57 |
| ash211 | Hobbsee: I'd like to, but I'm busy when it starts | 11:58 |
| === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Hobbsee] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Meeting Wednesday 23:00 - Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | ||
| ash211 | how long will the meeting last? | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | ash211: dunno. | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | depends how many memberships | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: thanks | 11:58 |
| manchicken | np | 11:58 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 11:58 |
| ash211 | i'll be back about an hour after it starts | 11:59 |
| ash211 | If I get back in time, I'll try | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | ash211: will probably be going then :) | 11:59 |
| ash211 | should I prepare anything to get ready? | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | ash211: see the agenda :) | 11:59 |
| === Lure -> bed - good nite all | ||
| ash211 | ah, I see the wikipage now | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | night Lure! | 12:00 |
| Jucato | g'night Lure! | 12:00 |
| ash211 | was there a big cut in karma recently? | 12:06 |
| ash211 | I've lost about 90% of what I had on launchpad :( | 12:06 |
| Jucato | ditto | 12:07 |
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| ash211 | Jucato: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaAdjustmentsJan07 | 12:09 |
| Jucato | ash211: thanks :) | 12:12 |
| Jucato | heh no wonder... so this is my *real* karma... not that big after all :P | 12:13 |
| ash211 | mine's nowhere near where it was either | 12:13 |
| ash211 | oh well, it's just a number :) | 12:13 |
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