=== rd [i=rdorsch@nat/ibm/x-0638e9fab5ef2abb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde is now known as frager === frager is now known as neversfelde === screemo [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] * ana sings "internet is for pr0n, pr0n, pr0n" [01:13] webcollage package added [01:13] gnomefreak: feel free to merge that from debian's kdeartwork ^^ [01:22] Riddell: saw you fixed that menu, sorry for being too slow :) [01:23] time to sleep zz === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rd [i=rdorsch@nat/ibm/x-8b2119d64e3e7ccf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.1.191] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ip-69-33-206-3.iad.megapath.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ip-69-33-206-3.iad.megapath.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] argh [04:02] hey jjesse! [04:02] oh sod [04:02] Riddell: ping [04:03] Hobbsee: you weren't able to talk to Tonio_? [04:03] why can't i get vmware server to work on my edgy bo [04:03] box [04:04] Jucato: no, wasnt here. [04:04] Jucato: i'll have to delay the meeting now anyway - got moderated, due to too many recipients [04:04] if it's not on kubuntu-devel within a short amount of time...people arent going to be able to know [04:04] Hobbsee: why the urgency? [04:04] oh right... [04:05] trying to send things out with very little notice? [04:05] hiya [04:05] ajmitch: ~2 days [04:05] hello [04:05] ajmitch: was discussed in here before that [04:05] Hobbsee: should be enough time, I guess, even if it is moderated [04:06] or you resend the message [04:06] ajmitch: that's when i sent it. === rd [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] Hobbsee: delay the meeting... what time is it at now? [04:09] more of, what day :) [04:10] ryanakca: i've got no idea. depends how long it'll be moderated. [04:10] ajmitch: i'm thinking about that. if i resend without the extra recipients...it should go through...hrmmm... === ryanakca has no clue what was moderated... #ubuntu-meeting? the fridge? [04:12] the mailing list? [04:12] ah [04:13] i'm going to kill this vmware-server install [04:19] ryanakca: mailing list [04:19] is that a license key from jdong? [04:19] O.o === Jucato takes a nap... === Hobbsee wonders about getting dapper packages made of kde 3.5.6, while herd 3 freeze is in action [04:26] because we're saying "all this stuff is fixed in 3.5.6, upgrade to that" [04:26] instead of backporting any of our fixes === rd [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.104] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee requests that kopete-dev gets removed === ScottK [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy wonders why that's 2 separate bugs [04:50] yuriy: hrm? === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:52] Hobbsee the kopete/kdenetwork thing. just puzzled me a bit [04:53] yuriy: because i'm going to fix one, and the admin archives will do the other (the removal) [04:53] oh [04:58] :) [04:58] argh, more kopete bugs to fix === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A7246B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] yuriy: do you have a kdebugs account? [05:01] Hobbsee: yeah [05:01] yuriy: can you send https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/65996 upstream please? [05:01] Malone bug 65996 in kopete "Mistakes in kopete strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [05:02] Hobbsee: sure. you don't? [05:02] yuriy: i havent. i'm just fixing it here now === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.1.191] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:10] heh 3.5.6 isn't listed in kde bts yet [05:12] yuriy: heh. pity [05:12] the patch was for 3.5.3, but never got sent upstream === Hobbsee wonders hwo to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/79457 [05:12] Malone bug 79457 in kopete "kopete history plugin is enabled but nonfunctional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [05:12] like, where's the config option? [05:13] hobbsee: what about bug 63533 (kde bug 135287) that's not the same thing right? [05:13] Malone bug 63533 in kopete "Mistake in kopete string" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63533 [05:13] KDE bug 135287 in general "Mistake in kopete string" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135287 [05:14] filed by you : ) [05:14] yuriy: er, dunno. may well have been [05:14] it's not fixed? [05:15] Hobbsee: it is according to your comment, but the kde bug is not marked fixed [05:16] yuriy: appears to be different. can you close that from there, or do i have to? [05:17] oh, found it [05:17] Hobbsee: i think you have to [05:17] yuriy: cool. report the other one then please :) === Hobbsee pokes kde-type coding people [05:20] Hobbsee: kde bug 140873 [05:20] KDE bug 140873 in general "kopete incorrectly spells "occurred" as "occured" and "nickname" as "nickanme"" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140873 [05:20] Hobbsee: fix committed? [05:20] nvm [05:20] yuriy: in ubuntu, yeah. === Hobbsee hasnt committed yet [05:38] * Add 18_kopete_icq_fix patch: fix connection to icq network introduced by [05:38] kopete 0.12.3. KDE SVN commit 600778. (Closes: #396391, #396398) === Hobbsee wonders if we still need that [05:39] +++ kdenetwork-3.5.5.new/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/client.cpp 2006-11-01 14:59:30.000000000 +0100 [05:39] @@ -340,6 +340,7 @@ [05:41] debian 396391 [05:41] Debian bug 396391 in kopete "kopete: Cannot login to icq network" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/396391 [05:47] ah, found it === Hobbsee pokes ScottK [05:57] yuriy: can you report #71665 upstream too please? i'm feeling lazy [05:58] heh ok [05:58] !bug 71665 [05:58] Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71665 [05:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 71665 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [06:01] whoa kde bts just went all crazy negative colors on me === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-49-153.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-200-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@195.71.22.186] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-90-16.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar_ [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === freet15__ [n=freet15@61.149.3.59] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-200-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === GreyStar_ [n=SoS@cpe-72-181-114-83.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Kubuntu-Devel === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger [09:59] Good morning! === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=cyril@AMarseille-256-1-109-164.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:50] Riddell: ping? === Lure_ [n=lure@213.253.84.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-005-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === screemo [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:45] hi there [11:47] Riddell: I've got that shutdown fade patch working, but I was wondering - it is possible to configure delays/black-level, so maybe I should try to incorporate that into kcmstyle (where the rubberband effect is situated) === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@213.253.84.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde [n=chrman@195.71.22.186] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] screemo: where are the packages? === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-ce0d55f86a35057c] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:19] Riddell: I can email you the ksmserver that I have patched [12:20] Riddell: its based on ubuntu4 [12:21] Riddell: I've sent you the binary, since the diff arent done yet [12:21] Riddell: I'm looking into changing the logout dialog to mimic that of ubuntu/xubuntu === cuco [n=elcuco@62.90.10.53] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb_ [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:38] Hobbsee: meeting on wednesday? [12:40] Riddell: has my message been unmoderated yet? [12:41] Hobbsee: which message? [12:42] Riddell: the one to kubuntu-devel ML [12:42] why would it be moderated? [12:43] because it was sent to too many recipients [12:43] there's nothing in the moderation queue [12:43] oh, yes there is === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] heh === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Meeting Wednesday 23:00 | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [12:46] Riddell: what are your thoughts on building a dapper version of 3.5.6, for the pure reason that we're tellingusers to upgrade, instead of backporting fixes back to 3.5.2 [12:46] if someone I trust wants to build it, I'm happy to put it on kubuntu.org === Tonio_ [n=tonio@165.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] hi [12:50] Riddell: do you trust me? [12:50] hey Tonio_ [12:50] Hobbsee: certainly do [12:50] oh wait, i dont have a dapper pbuilder, nor a mirror. [12:50] hrm [12:51] hi Hobbsee, Riddell [12:52] Tonio_: there's a meeting on wednesday, 2300 UTC - can you make ti? [12:52] yup [12:52] yay :) [12:58] Riddell: I've sent you the source for that shadow fade [01:00] Riddell: maybe I can build kde-3.5.6 for dapper [01:01] freeflying: sure, go aheadf [01:01] s/f// === apokryphos [n=francis@unaffiliated/apokryphos] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:20] Hobbsee: Good evening. (was sleeping when you poked me about 6 hrs ago) [01:20] hey ScottK :) === Hobbsee tries to remember... [01:21] oh, Riddell had put thru a new version of kdenetwork, which hadnt hit the archives when i made my changes. only when i went to get a sponsor. [01:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation is implemented for ubuntu. cool [01:22] wow! a 7 AM meeting? thank you Hobbsee :) [01:22] Hobbsee: Do you need a Dapper box to build 3.5.6? [01:23] ScottK: no. pbuilder will do. [01:23] ScottK: i was going to ask you to test icq - but hte upload i was going to do never made it [01:23] OK. I'd be glad to test it when it does. I may even have an icq number written down here somewhere.... [01:24] If you need resources/help with Dapper 3.5.6 let me know. === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@165.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:39] Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam for edgy and prepare an SRU for knetworkmanager, are you okay on that point ? [01:40] Tonio_: sure [01:40] Riddell: just saw you did guidance uesterday, sorry for declining, it wasn't my choice :) [01:41] Tonio_: I just noticed that your merge plans include knetswitch :D [01:41] sebas: hu ? should be removed from ubuntu for a while ;) [01:41] sebas: where did you get that info ? [01:41] Maybe I should warn you that it's much more a "I need something to do this, so I'll hack two days on it" than "This is maintained and actively developed" thing. [01:41] On your wiki page. [01:41] ah ;) [01:42] it is completly outdated ;) [01:42] OTOH, I just got a couple of patches from someone who actually uses it, and put up a new version on my website. [01:42] Ok :) [01:42] sebas: afaik it is nuked from ubuntu [01:42] (I don't think it's a really useful thing for most users) [01:42] Was it in? :D [01:42] sebas: yup, but I got it nuked [01:43] sebas: when I included it it was very usefull, since knetworkmanager didn't exist :) [01:43] but well I had hard words with upstream who didn't accept that I focussed on knetworkmanager when it got released ;) [01:43] not to say he was a bit jalous [01:44] Hehehe. It's something that "just works", which networkmanager doesn't. [01:44] Networkmanager doesn't even support static IPs AFAIK. === rd [n=rdorsch@12.170.118.2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] The approach is a bit hacky though, and no way to configure it graphically. [01:45] it does now (that I added a menu entry to launch knetworkconf) [01:45] And then it needs a script +s, which is, well, urks. [01:45] Ah, cool. [01:45] networkmanager still is a complete mystery to me. [01:46] sebas: yeah, the kind of "magic thing" that just works :) [01:46] la Microsoft :) [01:46] no way to understand, just use it [01:46] except that's not a good thing concerning windows [01:46] Right now, wpa_supplicant decides where I am and sets the wireless card up, netswitch is the thing I use to get a new dhcp lease or static IP. [01:46] I should check it, indeed. [01:47] because it is more a magic thing that "sometimes work" [01:47] I'm not arguing that netswitch is any better, it's just the first thing that worked for me after years of mobile networking pain. [01:47] sebas: next major version of networkmanager should include tcp/ip settings [01:47] good point [01:47] but well in my opinion, local IP settings are a totally stupid thing [01:48] dhcp and that's it :) [01:48] It's actually the second incarnation, I have some abandoned code the does the probing and decides itself how to connect. (doesn't work with wireless, though). [01:48] Well, for routers that support matching a MAC and then giving the same IP to the device, you don't need static IPs. [01:49] But if I want to fish:// something over to my notebook, and the IP is constantly changing, static IPs are quite useful. [01:49] sebas: is there something planned for network settings and kde4 ? kde3 lacks a LOT on that point [01:49] Static IP on internal networks is a policy issue for some businesses. The technical merits aren't the issue. [01:49] And most vendor-supplied ADSL / WLAN boxen don't support that MAC-IP matching. [01:49] Tonio_: Dunno. [01:49] ScottK: bah dhcp + mac adress to assign a fixed ip [01:50] MIght be something I'll work on once guidance-current bores me. [01:50] ScottK: I've never seen a context in which dhcp was impossible to handle... [01:50] Well, I just mentioned the stupid router that don't have that feature... [01:50] Agree that technically it's doable, but that policy decisions get in the way. [01:50] Or cheap hardware indeed. [01:50] ScottK: sure, that's my vision [01:51] ScottK: I generally put all the machines of a network with dhcp, including servers and even the dhcp server itself [01:51] ScottK: I've never seen anyone complaining [01:51] When Kubuntu moves into a new organization it needs to work with whatever is there. [01:51] Sure. [01:51] ScottK: the good point is that you also centralize the fixed IP addresses, nobody sees that, but that's very usefull === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] the only issue with dhcp is that it requires relays (non routable) but appart from that that's nice :) [01:52] I'm more think about the tech guy at big company X who wants to bring in Kubuntu. It doesn't help him get us a foot in the door if he has to ask for a special network config. [01:53] okay archives are frozen, let's focus on SRUs !!! [01:53] ScottK: bah knetworkconf works [01:53] ScottK: the only thing that is hard to handle with kubuntu is wireless with wpa and local ip settings [01:54] that's a very specific thing [01:54] From my perspective if you don't support WPA, then you aren't supporting wireless. [01:54] especially when wireless is generally very usefull with vpn, that requires dhcp -> knetworkmanager :) [01:54] ScottK: bah we do with knetworkmanager, just that it requires dhcp [01:54] ScottK: for fixed IP you have to manually configure wpasupplicant [01:55] that's the only non-trivial thing [01:55] Yes. [01:55] ScottK: I use wep at home :) not wpa [01:55] ScottK: I have a nintendo DS -> needs wep, so if I want to play online... :) [01:55] but that's not companies concerns lol [01:55] It's trivially breakable with the tools most of the script kiddies use these days. [01:56] Tonio_: Well, at google it *is* [01:56] Better than no encryption, but not by much. [01:56] ScottK: as is wpa [01:56] I can imagine that google has game consoles as enterprise equipment [01:56] sebas: hehe, true ;) [01:57] Tonio_: I'd be interested in references on wpa being trivially breakable. [01:57] ScottK: that's not trivial, and since the key changes, you have to rehack the network every day, but that's technically possible [01:57] wireless IS unsecure [01:57] nothing is better than a cable [01:58] OK. [01:58] ScottK: to me the best is : [01:58] opened wireless network with vpn access [01:58] don't manage security with the wireless [01:59] an opened network giving you access to the vpn server only and that's it === ScottK believes in belt and suspenders when it comes to security - Defense in depth. === Lure_ is now known as Lure [01:59] Tonio_: if you can work on my SRU, it would ge great === Lure is at work and cannot do it before evening. [02:00] Tonio_: bug 75017 needs minor change and discussion with pitti [02:00] Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 [02:02] Tonio_: and btw, wpa2 (with aes) should be safe afair [02:03] Riddell: why did you drop certain build deps when incorporating kopete back into kdenetwork? [02:03] Hobbsee: I did? [02:03] Riddell: yes. [02:04] Hobbsee: what's that? [02:05] as in, which were they? [02:05] yes [02:06] Lure: I'll have a look once mu srus are done [02:06] Tonio_: thanks - if you cannot do it, I will at the evening [02:07] Riddell: shouldn't we provide an sru for 3.5.5 including the kwallet patch ? [02:07] Riddell: can you upload http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff please? [02:07] Riddell: or backport 3.5.6 including that patch too ? [02:07] Tonio_: sure [02:07] Riddell: the kwallet issue is very important [02:07] Riddell: backport is probably the easiest way to get that in in my opinion [02:08] Riddell: what do you want in edgy official repos, 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 ? === Jucato finally sees Hobbsee... [02:09] hey Jucato1 [02:09] edgy official won't get 3.5.6 [02:09] Hobbsee: I mean, I finally get to see what you look like :P [02:10] Jucato: ahhh. you found the pictures linked to that? [02:10] :D === Jucato has a big grin [02:11] Hobbsee: does adding libssl and libjingle not create new files to be installed? [02:12] Riddell: hrm. not sure [02:12] Riddell: what do you mean? [02:12] Hobbsee: compiling.. [02:12] Riddell: cool [02:12] Hobbsee: it might make new plugins that need to be added to kopete.install, (or it might not) [02:13] Riddell: ahh [02:13] how do i check? [02:13] debuild && dh_install --list-missing === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.230.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:17] Riddell: let's go with an sru then [02:17] the sru process is hudge, really... [02:17] I know [02:18] Riddell: well it depends on the issue fixed, but when it is just a fixed .install file (like digikam)....... it looks a lot of bureaucracy for a very trivial fix [02:19] I agree [02:19] Tonio_: indeed. i suspect a lot of people avoid them as a result [02:19] Hobbsee: yup, to be honnest I would avoid little fixes due to that... === Hobbsee does [02:20] hi. is there any way i can request merge for package in universe? [02:20] Hobbsee: the result is probably people going with backports when it's fixed in the devel distro === Hobbsee uploaded stuff to -proposed 35 days ago. it's now ready for the new diff to be made to hit -updates [02:21] Hobbsee: haha, better saying "wait for feisty to be out" :) [02:21] yep :P [02:21] here is it http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/sim [02:21] yay, it's the 31st :) [02:22] debian already has newer version, with important fixes in icq protocol [02:23] !info sim feisty [02:23] sim: Simple Instant Messenger (KDE). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3335 kB, installed size 9304 kB [02:23] okay, there is ubuntu specific, so I can upload myself [02:23] serzholino: i'll do it [02:23] merge with debian and ubuntu changes [02:23] Tonio_: bah. that's what i was about to say :P [02:24] serzholino: I'll upload once the freeze ends [02:24] Tonio_: it's in universe. [02:24] Tonio_: thanks a lot :) [02:24] http://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sim/ looks like an easy merge [02:25] Hobbsee: yup [02:25] Hobbsee: ah, good universe isn't frozen ? [02:25] but there was also changes in debian packaging fot it [02:25] Tonio_: not for a knot freeze [02:25] er, a herd freeze [02:25] now it builds 3 packages === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has left #kubuntu-devel ["...adieu!"] [02:26] Hobbsee: yeah I forgot it :) [02:26] data, and bilt with kde, and built with qt only [02:26] !schedule [02:26] Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule [02:26] darn! feature freeze so near... === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@195.71.22.186] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rd [i=rdorsch@nat/ibm/x-623fe768d47a9f42] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] Riddell: how does one test this sparkly new dist-upgrader tool? [02:30] Hobbsee: wait for mvo to merge and upload it [02:30] Riddell: right. [02:30] Riddell: does he move quicker if poked with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! a few times? [02:30] :P === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [02:31] Hobbsee: worth asking him if that would help, but I guess it's blocked on herd freeze now [02:31] Riddell: good point. pity [02:31] Riddell: come to think of it - might be a good tool for this herd, though === leha [n=leha@195.144.242.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] who can I talk to about System Settings? [02:34] Jucato: people? Sime [02:34] Hobbsee: what's up? [02:35] Riddell: the sky. i was thinking that lots of people would test the dist-upgrader when upgrading to the herd release. well, doing the updates after the cd. [02:35] nothing major [02:35] Hobbsee: ok, I hope he's in. I talked to el before about some system settings problems, but I didn't know if I should have filed bug reports for them [02:36] Jucato: ahh. not sure === DoomStick [n=user@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] night all === DoomStick is now known as LongPointyStick [02:56] night LongPointyStick :) [02:56] night Jucato [03:14] does the system settings in feisty have the Panel settings again? [03:14] LongPointyStick: goodnight [03:15] night mhb [03:15] LongPointyStick: you poked me the other day [03:15] LongPointyStick: right? [03:15] mhb: indeed. dont remember what for though. oh yes, now i do. [03:15] that proposed ML thing - probably can have stuff added to it now [03:16] LongPointyStick: which proposed ML thing: [03:16] ? [03:16] mhb: the one for testers [03:16] ah [03:17] LongPointyStick: I'm still not sure what you mean, but it's bedtime for you ... we can solve it later :o) === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:28] Lure: your sru is approved, I'll upload to proposed === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] Heya === manchicken [n=manchick@12.47.30.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@210.5.115.128] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=jason@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:02] Hello all you happy people. [04:03] hi manchicken! [04:03] How goes it? [04:03] doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :) === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] Heya manchicken, Jucato === hunger_t_ [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:16] wuddup? [04:17] doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :) [04:17] Jucato: Sweet. [04:17] oh.. I said that lol [04:17] Yes, you did ;) === Jucato still considering applying for membership... still undecided... [04:19] Jucato: stop being undecided and go for it already! you too manchicken! [04:20] hehe hi nixternal :) === nixternal +1 Jucato && +1 manchicken [04:20] yipee! I have a supporter. please be there in the meeting lol :) [04:20] and I am sure Hobbsee and Riddell will agree after drilling you with the harshest interview imaginable :) [04:20] w00t! manchicken FTW! [04:21] hah! I hope they don't ask me much about technical stuff, or using Launchpad's services... [04:21] manchicken: NO! the BEARS FTW! [04:21] w00t! GO BEARS! [04:21] Jucato: what have you done? what are your plans with Kubuntu? [04:21] I couldn't navigate my way through LP if my life depended on it [04:21] nixternal: writing up my wiki as we speak :) [04:21] those are the 2 biggies, and if you have some Karma that is always good [04:22] good deal, I have to go to school :* [04:22] err, :) [04:22] lol === Jucato has 70,000+ karma... [04:25] oh, you are good to go [04:26] I don't think I have that much karma [04:26] +732 karma [04:27] I have that much because of bug triaging, some of which I owe to jdong [04:27] and his flash mess :) [04:29] heh [04:29] I've gotten a lot lately. I used to have only +1?? something. [04:30] I wonder if all the screwing around in launchpad did something [04:30] I thought you'd get more if you did code work and stuff.. I think you should get more for your heroic (martyr?) work on Adept [04:31] heh [04:32] Hardly heroic. [04:32] the tooltip patch I sent out the other day may have performance problems. [04:32] I'm gonna have to look at it again this weekend. [04:32] by heroic, I mean "doing something that few people dare or want to do" :P [04:33] heh [04:33] It's code. That's just what I do ^_^ [04:33] heh something I could only dream of doing... for now [04:34] You can do anything you stubbornly sit down and put your mind to. [04:35] hm... sit down and put my mind to... === Jucato suddenly remembers a certain white "sitting device" [04:35] Heh [04:35] You can code there too. [04:36] heh :) [04:36] strangely enough, some of my best ideas come to me when I'm in there :P [04:36] I should bring a pen and paper inside with me next time... [04:36] Shower works to. But don't code there. [04:36] too* [04:37] nah... Showers makes my mind go ZzzZzzzz [04:38] I get a lot of good ideas on the bus. === Jucato has written only 2 patches in his entire life... neither of which have been accepted yet upstream nor are that hard to do in the first place... [04:41] It's not about doing something hard. [04:41] It's about doing something useful. [04:41] Regardless of scale. [04:41] I haven't made any huge leaps and/or bounds on adept either. [04:41] I consider those relatively huge :) [04:42] Gosh, I don't. I haven't changed more than 2 files at a time yet. [04:42] Most of my work has been done in the same 2 files. [04:43] :) === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:51] Tonio_: thanks === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:59] imbrandon: ping ? I'm still waiting for the ibm account infos :) hehe === glatzor [n=sebi@88.134.194.143] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F44D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:15] Tonio_: Got a minute for /msg? [05:16] Riddell: kpowersave is putting even more options in UI: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/01/kpowersave-outlook-to-072.html [05:18] manchicken: guickly but yes :) === hunger_t is now known as hunger === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === PascalFr [n=PascalFr@pcpc.vmfacility.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] hardware [05:35] Sime: hi! if you have the time, could you please take a look at these 2 systemsettings issues. I talked to el about them in passing. [05:35] Sime: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/74583 [05:35] Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [05:35] Sime: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/82285 [05:35] Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] [05:35] opps, that was supposed to be a message to someone :) [05:35] stdin: :P === Jucato heads for bed... === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:55] hmm ... when will alpha3 be released? [05:56] ubotu: schedule [05:56] Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule === Zerlinna [n=Zerlinna@C6c39.c.strato-dslnet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:05] wow, that's an issue [06:05] Riddell: did you notice kcontrol is empty except from that obew thing ? [06:05] obex [06:06] Tonio_: what version of kdebase do you have? [06:06] 3.5.6-0ubuntu4 [06:06] I have that same issue too, had it since herd 1 install [06:07] Riddell: hum, I'll test on a new profile, added to my todo list [06:07] I have to leave for a moment, bbl [06:07] Riddell: we also have to patch to hide that obex thing in kmenu, that should be kcontrol only thing [06:08]