[01:13] <Riddell>  * ana sings "internet is for pr0n, pr0n, pr0n"
[01:13] <Riddell>  webcollage package added
[01:13] <Riddell> gnomefreak: feel free to merge that from debian's kdeartwork ^^
[01:22] <screemo> Riddell: saw you fixed that menu, sorry for being too slow :)
[01:23] <screemo> time to sleep zz
[04:02] <jjesse> argh
[04:02] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!
[04:02] <Hobbsee> oh sod
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[04:03] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you weren't able to talk to Tonio_?
[04:03] <jjesse> why can't i get vmware server to work on my edgy bo
[04:03] <jjesse> box
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: no, wasnt here.
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'll have to delay the meeting now anyway - got moderated, due to too many recipients
[04:04] <Hobbsee> if it's not on kubuntu-devel within a short amount of time...people arent going to be able to know
[04:04] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why the urgency?
[04:04] <Jucato> oh right...
[04:05] <ajmitch> trying to send things out with very little notice?
[04:05] <jjesse> hiya
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ~2 days
[04:05] <ajmitch> hello
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: was discussed in here before that
[04:05] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: should be enough time, I guess, even if it is moderated
[04:06] <ajmitch> or you resend the message
[04:06] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: that's when i sent it.
[04:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: delay the meeting... what time is it at now?
[04:09] <Jucato> more of, what day :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i've got no idea.  depends how long it'll be moderated.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: i'm thinking about that.  if i resend without the extra recipients...it should go through...hrmmm...
[04:12] <Jucato> the mailing list?
[04:12] <ryanakca> ah
[04:13] <jjesse> i'm going to kill this vmware-server install
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: mailing list
[04:19] <jjesse> is that a license key from jdong?
[04:19] <Jucato> O.o
[04:26] <Hobbsee> because we're saying "all this stuff is fixed in 3.5.6, upgrade to that"
[04:26] <Hobbsee> instead of backporting any of our fixes
[04:50] <Hobbsee> yuriy: hrm?
[04:52] <yuriy> Hobbsee the kopete/kdenetwork thing. just puzzled me a bit
[04:53] <Hobbsee> yuriy: because i'm going to fix one, and the admin archives will do the other (the removal)
[04:53] <yuriy> oh
[04:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:58] <Hobbsee> argh, more kopete bugs to fix
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yuriy: do you have a kdebugs account?
[05:01] <yuriy> Hobbsee: yeah
[05:01] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you send https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/+bug/65996 upstream please?
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65996 in kopete "Mistakes in kopete strings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:02] <yuriy> Hobbsee: sure. you don't?
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yuriy: i havent.  i'm just fixing it here now
[05:10] <yuriy> heh 3.5.6 isn't listed in kde bts yet
[05:12] <Hobbsee> yuriy: heh.  pity
[05:12] <Hobbsee> the patch was for 3.5.3, but never got sent upstream
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79457 in kopete "kopete history plugin is enabled but nonfunctional" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:12] <Hobbsee> like, where's the config option?
[05:13] <yuriy> hobbsee: what about bug 63533 (kde bug 135287) that's not the same thing right?
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63533 in kopete "Mistake in kopete string" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63533
[05:13] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 135287 in general "Mistake in kopete string" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135287
[05:14] <yuriy> filed by you : )
[05:14] <Hobbsee> yuriy: er, dunno.  may well have been
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it's not fixed?
[05:15] <yuriy> Hobbsee: it is according to your comment, but the kde bug is not marked fixed
[05:16] <Hobbsee> yuriy: appears to be different.  can you close that from there, or do i have to?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> oh, found it
[05:17] <yuriy> Hobbsee: i think you have to
[05:17] <Hobbsee> yuriy: cool.  report the other one then please :)
[05:20] <yuriy> Hobbsee: kde bug 140873
[05:20] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140873 in general "kopete incorrectly spells "occurred" as "occured" and "nickname" as "nickanme"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140873
[05:20] <yuriy> Hobbsee: fix committed?
[05:20] <yuriy> nvm
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yuriy: in ubuntu, yeah.
[05:38] <Hobbsee>   * Add 18_kopete_icq_fix patch: fix connection to icq network introduced by
[05:38] <Hobbsee>     kopete 0.12.3. KDE SVN commit 600778. (Closes: #396391, #396398)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> +++ kdenetwork-3.5.5.new/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/client.cpp     2006-11-01 14:59:30.000000000 +0100
[05:39] <Hobbsee> @@ -340,6 +340,7 @@
[05:41] <Hobbsee> debian 396391
[05:41] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 396391 in kopete "kopete: Cannot login to icq network" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/396391
[05:47] <Hobbsee> ah, found it
[05:57] <Hobbsee> yuriy: can you report #71665 upstream too please?  i'm feeling lazy
[05:58] <yuriy> heh ok
[05:58] <yuriy> !bug 71665
[05:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71665
[05:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bug 71665 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <yuriy> whoa kde bts just went all crazy negative colors on me
[09:59] <hunger> Good morning!
[10:50] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[11:45] <screemo> hi there
[11:47] <screemo> Riddell: I've got that shutdown fade patch working, but I was wondering - it is possible to configure delays/black-level, so maybe I should try to incorporate that into kcmstyle (where the rubberband effect is situated)
[12:16] <Riddell> screemo: where are the packages?
[12:19] <screemo> Riddell: I can email you the ksmserver that I have patched
[12:20] <screemo> Riddell: its based on ubuntu4
[12:21] <screemo> Riddell: I've sent you the binary, since the diff arent done yet
[12:21] <screemo> Riddell: I'm looking into changing the logout dialog to mimic that of ubuntu/xubuntu
[12:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: meeting on wednesday?
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: has my message been unmoderated yet?
[12:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: which message?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the one to kubuntu-devel ML
[12:42] <Riddell> why would it be moderated?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> because it was sent to too many recipients
[12:43] <Riddell> there's nothing in the moderation queue
[12:43] <Riddell> oh, yes there is
[12:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are your thoughts on building a dapper version of 3.5.6, for the pure reason that we're tellingusers to upgrade, instead of backporting fixes back to 3.5.2
[12:46] <Riddell> if someone I trust wants to build it, I'm happy to put it on kubuntu.org
[12:50] <Tonio_> hi
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you trust me?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: certainly do
[12:50] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i dont have a dapper pbuilder, nor a mirror.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> hrm
[12:51] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee, Riddell
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: there's a meeting on wednesday, 2300 UTC - can you make ti?
[12:52] <Tonio_> yup
[12:52] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[12:58] <screemo> Riddell: I've sent you the source for that shadow fade
[01:00] <freeflying> Riddell: maybe I can build kde-3.5.6 for dapper
[01:01] <Riddell> freeflying: sure, go aheadf
[01:01] <Riddell> s/f//
[01:20] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Good evening. (was sleeping when you poked me about 6 hrs ago)
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK :)
[01:21] <Hobbsee> oh, Riddell had put thru a new version of kdenetwork, which hadnt hit the archives when i made my changes.  only when i went to get a sponsor.
[01:21] <Hobbsee> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasyCodecInstallation is implemented for ubuntu.  cool
[01:22] <Jucato> wow! a 7 AM meeting? thank you Hobbsee :)
[01:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Do you need a Dapper box to build 3.5.6?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: no.  pbuilder will do.
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i was going to ask you to test icq - but hte upload i was going to do never made it
[01:23] <ScottK> OK.  I'd be glad to test it when it does.  I may even have an icq number written down here somewhere....
[01:24] <ScottK> If you need resources/help with Dapper 3.5.6 let me know.
[01:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm about to upload digikam for edgy and prepare an SRU for knetworkmanager, are you okay on that point ?
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[01:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw you did guidance uesterday, sorry for declining, it wasn't my choice :)
[01:41] <sebas> Tonio_: I just noticed that your merge plans include knetswitch :D
[01:41] <Tonio_> sebas: hu ? should be removed from ubuntu for a while ;)
[01:41] <Tonio_> sebas: where did you get that info ?
[01:41] <sebas> Maybe I should warn you that it's much more a "I need something to do this, so I'll hack two days on it" than "This is maintained and actively developed" thing.
[01:41] <sebas> On your wiki page.
[01:41] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[01:42] <Tonio_> it is completly outdated ;)
[01:42] <sebas> OTOH, I just got a couple of patches from someone who actually uses it, and put up a new version on my website.
[01:42] <sebas> Ok :)
[01:42] <Tonio_> sebas: afaik it is nuked from ubuntu
[01:42] <sebas> (I don't think it's a really useful thing for most users)
[01:42] <sebas> Was it in? :D
[01:42] <Tonio_> sebas: yup, but I got it nuked
[01:43] <Tonio_> sebas: when I included it it was very usefull, since knetworkmanager didn't exist :)
[01:43] <Tonio_> but well I had hard words with upstream who didn't accept that I focussed on knetworkmanager when it got released ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> not to say he was a bit jalous
[01:44] <sebas> Hehehe. It's something that "just works", which networkmanager doesn't.
[01:44] <sebas> Networkmanager doesn't even support static IPs AFAIK.
[01:45] <sebas> The approach is a bit hacky though, and no way to configure it graphically.
[01:45] <Riddell> it does now (that I added a menu entry to launch knetworkconf)
[01:45] <sebas> And then it needs a script +s, which is, well, urks.
[01:45] <sebas> Ah, cool.
[01:45] <sebas> networkmanager still is a complete mystery to me.
[01:46] <Tonio_> sebas: yeah, the kind of "magic thing" that just works :)
[01:46] <Tonio_>  la Microsoft :)
[01:46] <Tonio_> no way to understand, just use it
[01:46] <Tonio_> except that's not a good thing concerning windows
[01:46] <sebas> Right now, wpa_supplicant decides where I am and sets the wireless card up, netswitch is the thing I use to get a new dhcp lease or static IP.
[01:46] <sebas> I should check it, indeed.
[01:47] <Tonio_> because it is more a magic thing that "sometimes work"
[01:47] <sebas> I'm not arguing that netswitch is any better, it's just the first thing that worked for me after years of mobile networking pain.
[01:47] <Tonio_> sebas: next major version of networkmanager should include tcp/ip settings
[01:47] <Tonio_> good point
[01:47] <Tonio_> but well in my opinion, local IP settings are a totally stupid thing
[01:48] <Tonio_> dhcp and that's it :)
[01:48] <sebas> It's actually the second incarnation, I have some abandoned code the does the probing and decides itself how to connect. (doesn't work with wireless, though).
[01:48] <sebas> Well, for routers that support matching a MAC and then giving the same IP to the device, you don't need static IPs.
[01:49] <sebas> But if I want to fish:// something over to my notebook, and the IP is constantly changing, static IPs are quite useful.
[01:49] <Tonio_> sebas: is there something planned for network settings and kde4 ? kde3 lacks a LOT on that point
[01:49] <ScottK> Static IP on internal networks is a policy issue for some businesses.   The technical merits aren't the issue.
[01:49] <sebas> And most vendor-supplied ADSL / WLAN boxen don't support that MAC-IP matching.
[01:49] <sebas> Tonio_: Dunno.
[01:49] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah dhcp + mac adress to assign a fixed ip
[01:50] <sebas> MIght be something I'll work on once guidance-current bores me.
[01:50] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've never seen a context in which dhcp was impossible to handle...
[01:50] <sebas> Well, I just mentioned the stupid router that don't have that feature...
[01:50] <ScottK> Agree that technically it's doable, but that policy decisions get in the way.
[01:50] <sebas> Or cheap hardware indeed.
[01:50] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure, that's my vision
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: I generally put all the machines of a network with dhcp, including servers and even the dhcp server itself
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: I've never seen anyone complaining
[01:51] <ScottK> When Kubuntu moves into a new organization it needs to work with whatever is there.
[01:51] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:51] <Tonio_> ScottK: the good point is that you also centralize the fixed IP addresses, nobody sees that, but that's very usefull
[01:52] <Tonio_> the only issue with dhcp is that it requires relays (non routable) but appart from that that's nice :)
[01:52] <ScottK> I'm more think about the tech guy at big company X who wants to bring in Kubuntu.  It doesn't help him get us a foot in the door if he has to ask for a special network config.
[01:53] <Tonio_> okay archives are frozen, let's focus on SRUs !!!
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah knetworkconf works
[01:53] <Tonio_> ScottK: the only thing that is hard to handle with kubuntu is wireless with wpa and local ip settings
[01:54] <Tonio_> that's a very specific thing
[01:54] <ScottK> From my perspective if you don't support WPA, then you aren't supporting wireless.
[01:54] <Tonio_> especially when wireless is generally very usefull with vpn, that requires dhcp -> knetworkmanager :)
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: bah we do with knetworkmanager, just that it requires dhcp
[01:54] <Tonio_> ScottK: for fixed IP you have to manually configure wpasupplicant
[01:55] <Tonio_> that's the only non-trivial thing
[01:55] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: I use wep at home :) not wpa
[01:55] <Tonio_> ScottK: I have a nintendo DS -> needs wep, so if I want to play online... :)
[01:55] <Tonio_> but that's not companies concerns lol
[01:55] <ScottK> It's trivially breakable with the tools most of the script kiddies use these days.
[01:56] <sebas> Tonio_: Well, at google it *is*
[01:56] <ScottK> Better than no encryption, but not by much.
[01:56] <Tonio_> ScottK: as is wpa
[01:56] <sebas> I can imagine that google has game consoles as enterprise equipment
[01:56] <Tonio_> sebas: hehe, true ;)
[01:57] <ScottK> Tonio_: I'd be interested in references on wpa being trivially breakable.
[01:57] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's not trivial, and since the key changes, you have to rehack the network every day, but that's technically possible
[01:57] <Tonio_> wireless IS unsecure
[01:57] <Tonio_> nothing is better than a cable
[01:58] <ScottK> OK.
[01:58] <Tonio_> ScottK: to me the best is :
[01:58] <Tonio_> opened wireless network with vpn access
[01:58] <Tonio_> don't manage security with the wireless
[01:59] <Tonio_> an opened network giving you access to the vpn server only and that's it
[01:59] <Lure> Tonio_: if you can work on my SRU, it would ge great
[02:00] <Lure> Tonio_: bug 75017 needs minor change and discussion with pitti
[02:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017
[02:02] <Lure> Tonio_: and btw, wpa2 (with aes) should be safe afair
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why did you drop certain build deps when incorporating kopete back into kdenetwork?
[02:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes.
[02:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[02:05] <Hobbsee> as in, which were they?
[02:05] <Riddell> yes
[02:06] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll have a look once mu srus are done
[02:06] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks - if you cannot do it, I will at the evening
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we provide an sru for 3.5.5 including the kwallet patch ?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can you upload http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff please?
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: or backport 3.5.6 including that patch too ?
[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kwallet issue is very important
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: backport is probably the easiest way to get that in in my opinion
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you want in edgy official repos, 3.5.5 or 3.5.6 ?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato1
[02:09] <Riddell> edgy official won't get 3.5.6
[02:09] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I mean, I finally get to see what you look like :P
[02:10] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh.  you found the pictures linked to that?
[02:10] <Jucato> :D
[02:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: does adding libssl and libjingle not create new files to be installed?
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm.  not sure
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do you mean?
[02:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: compiling..
[02:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool
[02:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it might make new plugins that need to be added to kopete.install, (or it might not)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahh
[02:13] <Hobbsee> how do i check?
[02:13] <Riddell> debuild && dh_install --list-missing
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: let's go with an sru then
[02:17] <Tonio_> the sru process is hudge, really...
[02:17] <Riddell> I know
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: well it depends on the issue fixed, but when it is just a fixed .install file (like digikam)....... it looks a lot of bureaucracy for a very trivial fix
[02:19] <Riddell> I agree
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.  i suspect a lot of people avoid them as a result
[02:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup, to be honnest I would avoid little fixes due to that...
[02:20] <serzholino> hi. is there any way i can request merge for package in universe?
[02:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the result is probably people going with backports when it's fixed in the devel distro
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: haha, better saying "wait for feisty to be out" :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yep :P
[02:21] <serzholino> here is it http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/net/sim
[02:21] <Hobbsee> yay, it's the 31st :)
[02:22] <serzholino> debian already has newer version, with important fixes in icq protocol
[02:23] <Hobbsee> !info sim feisty
[02:23] <ubotu> sim: Simple Instant Messenger (KDE). In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.4-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3335 kB, installed size 9304 kB
[02:23] <Tonio_> okay, there is ubuntu specific, so I can upload myself
[02:23] <Tonio_> serzholino: i'll do it
[02:23] <Tonio_> merge with debian and ubuntu changes
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: bah.  that's what i was about to say :P
[02:24] <Tonio_> serzholino: I'll upload once the freeze ends
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's in universe.
[02:24] <serzholino> Tonio_: thanks a lot :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> http://merges.ubuntu.com/s/sim/ looks like an easy merge
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yup
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah, good universe isn't frozen ?
[02:25] <serzholino> but there was also changes in debian packaging fot it
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not for a knot freeze
[02:25] <Hobbsee> er, a herd freeze
[02:25] <serzholino> now it builds 3 packages
[02:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah I forgot it :)
[02:26] <serzholino> data, and bilt with kde, and built with qt only
[02:26] <Jucato> !schedule
[02:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[02:26] <Jucato> darn! feature freeze so near...
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how does one test this sparkly new dist-upgrader tool?
[02:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait for mvo to merge and upload it
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does he move quicker if poked with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  a few times?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: worth asking him if that would help, but I guess it's blocked on herd freeze now
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point.  pity
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: come to think of it - might be a good tool for this herd, though
[02:33] <Jucato> who can I talk to about System Settings?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Jucato: people?  Sime
[02:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's up?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the sky.  i was thinking that lots of people would test the dist-upgrader when upgrading to the herd release.  well, doing the updates after the cd.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> nothing major
[02:35] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok, I hope he's in. I talked to el before about some system settings problems, but I didn't know if I should have filed bug reports for them
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahh.  not sure
[02:55] <Hobbsee> night all
[02:56] <Jucato> night LongPointyStick :)
[02:56] <LongPointyStick> night Jucato
[03:14] <Jucato> does the system settings in feisty have the Panel settings again?
[03:14] <mhb> LongPointyStick: goodnight
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> night mhb
[03:15] <mhb> LongPointyStick: you poked me the other day
[03:15] <mhb> LongPointyStick: right?
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> mhb: indeed.  dont remember what for though.  oh yes, now i do.
[03:15] <LongPointyStick> that proposed ML thing - probably can have stuff added to it now
[03:16] <mhb> LongPointyStick: which proposed ML thing:
[03:16] <mhb> ?
[03:16] <LongPointyStick> mhb: the one for testers
[03:16] <mhb> ah
[03:17] <mhb> LongPointyStick: I'm still not sure what you mean, but it's bedtime for you ... we can solve it later :o)
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lure: your sru is approved, I'll upload to proposed
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:02] <manchicken> Hello all you happy people.
[04:03] <Jucato> hi manchicken!
[04:03] <manchicken> How goes it?
[04:03] <Jucato> doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :)
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya manchicken, Jucato
[04:16] <manchicken> wuddup?
[04:17] <Jucato> doin fine doin fine... prepping my wiki page :)
[04:17] <manchicken> Jucato: Sweet.
[04:17] <Jucato> oh.. I said that lol
[04:17] <manchicken> Yes, you did ;)
[04:19] <nixternal> Jucato: stop being undecided and go for it already! you too manchicken!
[04:20] <Jucato> hehe hi nixternal :)
[04:20] <Jucato> yipee! I have a supporter. please be there in the meeting lol :)
[04:20] <nixternal> and I am sure Hobbsee and Riddell will agree after drilling you with the harshest interview imaginable :)
[04:20] <manchicken> w00t!  manchicken FTW!
[04:21] <Jucato> hah! I hope they don't ask me much about technical stuff, or using Launchpad's services...
[04:21] <nixternal> manchicken: NO! the BEARS FTW!
[04:21] <manchicken> w00t!  GO BEARS!
[04:21] <nixternal> Jucato: what have you done? what are your plans with Kubuntu?
[04:21] <Jucato> I couldn't navigate my way through LP if my life depended on it
[04:21] <Jucato> nixternal: writing up my wiki as we speak :)
[04:21] <nixternal> those are the 2 biggies, and if you have some Karma that is always good
[04:22] <nixternal> good deal, I have to go to school :*
[04:22] <nixternal> err, :)
[04:22] <Jucato> lol
[04:25] <nixternal> oh, you are good to go
[04:26] <manchicken> I don't think I have that much karma
[04:26] <manchicken> +732 karma
[04:27] <Jucato> I have that much because of bug triaging, some of which I owe to jdong
[04:27] <Jucato> and his flash mess :)
[04:29] <manchicken> heh
[04:29] <manchicken> I've gotten a lot lately.  I used to have only +1?? something.
[04:30] <manchicken> I wonder if all the screwing around in launchpad did something
[04:30] <Jucato> I thought you'd get more if you did code work and stuff.. I think you should get more for your heroic (martyr?) work on Adept
[04:31] <manchicken> heh
[04:32] <manchicken> Hardly heroic.
[04:32] <manchicken> the tooltip patch I sent out the other day may have performance problems.
[04:32] <manchicken> I'm gonna have to look at it again this weekend.
[04:32] <Jucato> by heroic, I mean "doing something that few people dare or want to do" :P
[04:33] <manchicken> heh
[04:33] <manchicken> It's code.  That's just what I do ^_^
[04:33] <Jucato> heh something I could only dream of doing... for now
[04:34] <manchicken> You can do anything you stubbornly sit down and put your mind to.
[04:35] <Jucato> hm... sit down and put  my mind to...
[04:35] <manchicken> Heh
[04:35] <manchicken> You can code there too.
[04:36] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:36] <Jucato> strangely enough, some of my best ideas come to me when I'm in there :P
[04:36] <Jucato> I should bring a pen and paper inside with me next time...
[04:36] <manchicken> Shower works to.  But don't code there.
[04:36] <manchicken> too*
[04:37] <Jucato> nah... Showers makes my mind go ZzzZzzzz
[04:38] <manchicken> I get a lot of good ideas on the bus.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's not about doing something hard.
[04:41] <manchicken> It's about doing something useful.
[04:41] <manchicken> Regardless of scale.
[04:41] <manchicken> I haven't made any huge leaps and/or bounds on adept either.
[04:41] <Jucato> I consider those relatively huge :)
[04:42] <manchicken> Gosh, I don't.  I haven't changed more than 2 files at a time yet.
[04:42] <manchicken> Most of my work has been done in the same 2 files.
[04:43] <Jucato> :)
[04:51] <Lure> Tonio_: thanks
[04:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ? I'm still waiting for the ibm account infos :) hehe
[05:15] <manchicken> Tonio_: Got a minute for /msg?
[05:16] <Lure> Riddell: kpowersave is putting even more options in UI: http://dkukawka.blogspot.com/2007/01/kpowersave-outlook-to-072.html
[05:18] <Tonio_> manchicken: guickly but yes :)
[05:35] <stdin> hardware
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: hi! if you have the time, could you please take a look at these 2 systemsettings issues. I talked to el about them in passing.
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/74583
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74583 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings in Edgy does not show kdmtheme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:35] <Jucato> Sime: and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/82285
[05:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82285 in kde-systemsettings "System Settings does not have the Panels settings module" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[05:35] <stdin> opps, that was supposed to be a message to someone :)
[05:35] <Jucato> stdin: :P
[05:55] <TheInfinity> hmm ... when will alpha3 be released?
[05:56] <apokryphos> ubotu: schedule
[05:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[06:05] <Tonio_> wow, that's an issue
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice kcontrol is empty except from that obew thing ?
[06:05] <Tonio_> obex
[06:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: what version of kdebase do you have?
[06:06] <Tonio_> 3.5.6-0ubuntu4
[06:06] <stdin> I have that same issue too, had it since herd 1 install
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I'll test on a new profile, added to my todo list
[06:07] <Tonio_> I have to leave for a moment, bbl
[06:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we also have to patch to hide that obex thing in kmenu, that should be kcontrol only thing
[06:08] <Riddell> yes
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: see bug 80444
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80444 in kdebase "kcontrol is empty" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80444
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this, shouldn't be that complicated
[06:09] <Tonio_> will work on that tomorrow
[06:09] <stdin> it seems fixed now, since 2.5.6
[06:09] <stdin> haven't checked before
[06:09] <stdin> *hadn't
[06:09] <Tonio_> stdin: it is not, I have 3.5.6 and I have the issue
[06:09] <Tonio_> stdin: but that's probably not hard stuff to fix
[06:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: I just did a fresh install of a live CD with kdebase-data 3.5.6-0ubuntu2 on it and that has a broken kcontrol menu, upgrading to 3.5.6-0ubuntu4 fixes it
[06:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-users has gone a bit mad today
[06:12] <stdin> it's always mad on there
[06:12] <stdin> every month or so someone kicks off on something
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe there is something changed in kcontrol that breaks with ~/.kde settings
[06:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll investigate tomorrow, that's on my todo list now :)
[06:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't have any $XDG... environment variables set to you?
[06:16] <ScottK> Has anyone else been experiencing memory leaks with guidance-power manager?
[06:16] <Riddell> ScottK: people have been complaining about them yes
[06:16] <Riddell> lure was looking into it but didn't find anything
[06:16] <ScottK> Hmmm
[06:17] <ScottK> In the install I did yesterday it's pretty rapid and continuous.
[06:18] <Riddell> well the recent change has been adding CPU scaling stuff
[06:18] <Riddell> and the idle time detection
[06:18] <Riddell> so those are the candidates
[06:18] <ScottK> In my case it pushed my old Latitude L400 over the edge into swap and makes it almost unusable in short order.
[06:19] <ScottK> On this machine CPU scaling never shows anything at all.
[06:19] <ScottK> Would that tend to implicate it or exhonrate it in your opinion?
[06:20] <ScottK> exhonrate/exhonorate
[06:21] <Riddell> it would suggest so
[06:22] <ScottK> Sorry, did that mean implicate or exhonorate?
[06:23] <Riddell> if there's no cpu scaling on that machine, but you still have memory problems, it exhonorates cpu scaling from the problem and implicates idle detection
[06:23] <ScottK> Thanks
[06:24] <Riddell> hi Lure, what did you try when looking for the guidance memory leak?
[06:24] <Lure> Riddell: using gc module, but it is very hard to see what is on (Qt has plenty of objects) :-*
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-gc.html
[06:26] <Lure> Riddell: problem is that there are 65000 objects allocated in cca 15 minute run of powermanager
[06:26] <Lure> :-(
[06:27] <Riddell> lots of objects then
[06:27] <Lure> Riddell: lots of "variant_level" objects
[06:28] <Lure> Riddell: I am suspecting this could be some left over from Qt/KDE class or something...
[06:31] <ScottK> Lure: Just before you came on I was mentioning that I'm having a lot of trouble with this on an old Latitude L400 I put Feisty on.
[06:31] <Lure> ScottK: what kind of problem?
[06:31] <ScottK> Steadily growing memory usage
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: ok, that is known bug (even though nobody submitted bug :-(, so I was unaware until yesterday)
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: I am trying my best, but not much tools for memory leak detection for python
[06:32] <ScottK> The L400 is right on the edge of being in swap normally and this drives it there and makes it almost unusable.
[06:32] <ScottK> OK
[06:32] <Lure> ScottK: and python garbage collection does not make it easier
[06:33] <Lure> ScottK: yep, it adds 1 MB of memory every couple of minutes...
[06:33] <ScottK> That's about right.
[06:33] <ScottK> I do some Python work.  I'd be willing to help solve the problem.
[06:34] <ScottK> Would it be useful for me to at least submit a bug on this?
[06:36] <Lure> ScottK: I will now try binary search on SVN repository to see if this is new bug or was it there with old version or is it there for ages...
[06:36] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[06:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't think soo concerning $XDG, I'll investigate
[06:37] <Lure> ScottK: you can submit the bug, at least we will have something to close
[06:37] <ScottK> OK.  Will do.
[06:41] <ScottK> Lure: FYI, Bug #82313
[06:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[06:41] <Lure> ScottK: thanks
[06:42] <ScottK> No problem.  Be glad to help out if I can.
[06:42] <Lure> ScottK: can you confirm that this was not a problem on edgy?
[06:42] <Riddell> ScottK: what are you using to measure memory usage?
[06:43] <ScottK> I was looking at Ksysguard and ps -AF both at different times.
[06:43] <Riddell> I've never heard it reported on edgy, and several people have reported it recently on feisty
[06:44] <Lure> ScottK: you should have noticed it before if it would eat it up to swap level as now on feisty
[06:44] <ScottK> I'd be curious to see what would happen if one installed Herd 2 with Python 2.4 and then updated to the current powermanager without upgrading to Python 2.5
[06:45] <ScottK> Lure: True, but I'm not sure that's the power manager I have installed in Edgy.
[06:45] <ScottK> That's what I want to go check.
[06:45] <Lure> ScottK: good question... it could be python 2.5 related
[06:45] <ScottK> I wish I
[06:45] <ScottK> ...
[06:45] <ScottK> I wish I'd known about this yesterday before I upgraded to Python 2.5...
[06:46] <Riddell> just run it from python 2.4
[06:46] <ScottK> Good point.
[06:47] <Sime> powermanager needs a small modules that 2.4 might not have.
[06:47] <ScottK> Edgy is booting right now.  I'll try that after I switch back to Feisty.
[06:48] <Lure> Riddell: will probably not work as some depends may not be there anymore for 2.4 (dbus...)
[06:48] <Lure> Sime: right xf86misc...
[06:51] <ScottK> OK.  I had guidance-power manager in Edgy, so that question's answered.
[06:52] <ScottK> Perhaps if I rebuilt the Edgy version of guidance-power manager (0.7 IIRC) and run it on Feisty that would tell us something...
[06:56] <Lure> ScottK: I am just testing edgy-time powermanager from svn - will know in couple of minutes
[06:56] <ScottK> OK
[07:00] <Lure> hi allee
[07:00] <allee> hi Lure
[07:04] <Lure> ScottK: edgy version (w/ python 2.5) is either much slower on memory or not leaking at all (around 20 MB)
[07:04] <ScottK> I'd imagine that narrows it down.
[07:05] <ScottK> The build-depends for it certainly end up pulling down a LOT of packages on a new install.
[07:07] <Lure> ScottK: no I got jump to 23 MB :-(
[07:07] <ScottK> Well that still narrows it down then.
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: did you upload .hidden sru to -proposed or is this still pending (not seen it on edgy-changes)
[07:24] <Lure> still using couple of megs in 10 minutes (18 -> 23) - 1MB/2 min
[07:25] <Lure> :-( It looks like it would make sense to try edgy
[07:25] <Lure> Any kubuntu edgy laptop user here?
[07:27] <ScottK> Yes.
[07:27] <ScottK> I need to swap hard drives again...
[07:32] <Riddell> bddebian: beastie 80444 should be fixed with kdenetwork -0ubuntu4
[07:32] <bddebian> moi? :-)
[07:32] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: I am here with Edgy laptop
[07:33] <Lure> ScottK-laptop: great - can you watch memory usage with top?
[07:33] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: He's picking on you because you didn't apply my courier merge yet...
[07:33] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: sure
[07:33] <bddebian> ScottK-laptop: What was the problem with courier anyway?  I don't remember it being a difficult merge when I did it?
[07:34] <Riddell> bddebian: ah no, I wanted bdmurray
[07:34] <bddebian> Ah, I didn't think you loved me anymore.. ;-)
[07:34] <ScottK-laptop> bddebian: lintian whined and cried about all kinds of errors.  That and my inexperience at packaging made for a fun combination.
[07:36] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: So far it's staying right at 20m.  I'll let it run for a while.
[07:36] <Lure> ScottK-laptop: ok, leave it for 10 minutes or so
[07:36] <ScottK-laptop> Will do
[07:43] <screemo> hi there
[07:44] <ScottK-laptop> hey there
[07:44] <screemo> I was wondering, do any of you experience knetworkmanager failing (ie. not picking up default wireless connection) when KDE starts ?
[07:45] <screemo> Mine just loads, and then disappears. If I log out, and in again - it works again.
[07:46] <screemo> thats on feisty
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: so you think its a support question ?
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: It's been 10 minutes and it's still right on 20m
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: nope, definitely a bug
[07:47] <ScottK-laptop> Did you file a bug?
[07:47] <screemo> ScottK-laptop: i will
[07:49] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: I think it's safe to say that the memory leak is not in Edgy.
[07:51] <Lure> ScottK: thanks...
[07:51] <ScottK> No problem.  Let me know if I can do anything else to help.
[07:51] <Lure> ScottK: then it is probably PyQt or PyKDE
[07:51] <screemo> he left
[07:51] <screemo> sorry wrong channel
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: should we rebuild PyQt/PyKDE now with python 2.5 in?
[07:53] <Riddell> Lure: in feisty?  don't they already use 2.5?
[07:53] <Lure> ScottK: did you notice this bug recently?
[07:53] <Lure> Riddell: we do, but I was thinking if any rebuild would be required with 2.5
[07:54] <Lure> Riddell: last upload of PyQt was when python 2.4 was there
[07:54] <Lure> ScottK: I am thinking if this was introduced inbetween the releases.
[07:55] <ScottK> I just set up my Feisty drive yesterday.
[07:56] <screemo> I got a feisty on vmware if you need any help
[08:46] <Sime> any had experiance with KMail + IMAP?
[08:47] <Sime> ^ anyone
[08:47] <ScottK> Brief and unpleasant.
[08:48] <apokryphos> mailody's meant to be quite good
[08:49] <Sime> toma was telling me how (not) well kmail works with IMAP...
[08:50] <Tonio_> Sime: that kind ? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140660
[08:50] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140660 in general "kmail crash when I make a CTRL + J in inbox" [Grave,Resolved: fixed] 
[08:51] <Tonio_> Sime: that happened to me today, I lost about 300 emails
[08:51] <goldenear> I still have a bug with duplicated email from emap when using bogofilter in kmail :(
[08:52] <goldenear> I've noticed that yesterday when I switch bogofilter on again
[08:52] <Sime> I use POP3 + Kmail now, but I might switch to IMAP + THunderbird.
[08:52] <Sime> I want to have emai on 2 machines.
[08:53] <allee> Lure: fyi: after 45 min guidance-p-m has identical memory usage: 55228  20m  12m  (edgy laptop Dell D600)
[08:54] <Lure> allee: thanks
[08:54] <Lure> allee: just confirmed on feisty herd2 that there is no memory leak (after 35 minutes)
[08:54] <Lure> allee, ScottK, Riddell: so it it herd2/herd3 delta (python 2.5, powermanager or something else)
[08:55] <ScottK> If so, it probably affects other stuff too, but no one notices.
[08:56] <Lure> ScottK: when did you first noticed this bug?
[08:56] <ScottK> When I set up my first Feisty box yesterday.
[08:57] <ScottK> I installed from Herd 2 and then immediately upgraded everything.
[08:57] <Lure> we had python-dbus problem in last week (powermanager failed on startup) do to python-dbus upgrade
[08:57] <Lure> it may be python-dbus 0.80 related
[08:57] <Lure> Riddell: when did you get first complaints about memory leak?
[08:58] <Lure> I first heard about the problem yesterday (fdoving, mhb)
[09:00] <Lure> fdoving, mhb: around? when did you notice powermanager memory leak?
[09:22] <goldenear> about kmail : is there a function to delete all mails marked as spam in a folder ?
[09:25] <fdoving> Lure: i noticed it yesteday, because my laptop started to use swap for everything. slowness.
[09:25] <fdoving> told you as soon as i noticed.
[09:25] <Lure> fdoving: ok, so it might be python-dbus 0.80 related...
[09:25] <fdoving> might be.
[09:26] <fdoving> i've got 14 days of uptime today.
[09:26] <Lure> fdoving: will try to downgrade
[09:26] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: I applied for MOTU if you are around (TB meeting going on ;-)
[09:46] <Jucato> manchicken: hehe I see you've applied :)
[09:46] <manchicken> Yup.
[09:46] <manchicken> This is weird.
[09:46] <manchicken> Before it said my karma was like +700 something.
[09:46] <manchicken> Now it says +68
[09:46] <Jucato> O.o
[09:46] <Jucato> what's your luanchpad page?
[09:47] <manchicken> https://launchpad.net/~manchicken
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: they change this often ;-)
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: mine went from 1.2mio to 5812
[09:47] <Jucato> heh :)
[09:47] <Lure> manchicken: do not bother about karma
[09:47] <manchicken> Ah.
[09:47] <manchicken> I wasn't sure it mattered or not.
[09:48] <Jucato> lol
[09:48] <Jucato> speaking of which, my 79,000+ became 538 just now :)
[09:49] <fdoving> ouch, i was just about to find something to do to get 4mill.
[09:50] <Jucato> heheh
[09:50] <fdoving> better go do something else then.
[09:50] <fdoving> 33360 doesn't look that cool. :)
[09:50] <fdoving> bye.
[10:04] <Lure> Hobbsee: too late ;-)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: you were going for MOTU?  did you tell me, and i forgot, or did you not tell me?
[10:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: I applied on meeting itself, so it was hard to get testemonials
[10:05] <Lure> Hobbsee: I applied as I alwasy foget to apply ;-)
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Lure: ahh...happy to testify, if htey bring it up later
[10:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: will be the first one to try new council process
[10:06] <Lure> Hobbsee: even better ;-)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you not have time to look at kdenetwork, or did you not have time to upload it?  or has soyuz eaten it?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Whats the nature of the meeting today?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: which one?
[10:32] <DaSkreech> Technical Board meeting
[10:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do you think this is good enough? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Jucato
[10:40] <Lure> Hobbsee: main is frozen - maybe that is the reason you do not see it
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: mithrandir said it was fine as long as Riddell thought it was
[10:41] <Hobbsee> Lure: and when i first found a sponsor for it, main wasnt frozen
[10:41] <Hobbsee> (riddell had uploaded another version that hadnt actually been propogated when i grabbed the source - i had to go to work, then fix it when i came home
[10:41] <Lure> Hobbsee: ok, then it is Riddell for blame ;-)
[10:47] <Tm_T> Hrr, in 9 hours I should be in FLUG booth speaking glory of Linux :p
[10:50] <Tm_T> Hm, have to take this MS-DOS 5.0 User Guide and Reference with me I think.
[10:50] <Jucato> ...
[10:50] <Jucato> what does the F stand for?
[10:51] <Tm_T> Finnish
[10:51] <Jucato> oooh
[10:51] <Jucato> Start :)
[10:51] <Tm_T> Start?
[10:51] <Jucato> Tm_T: Start to Finnish :P
[10:51] <Jucato> Tm_T: sir, may I PM you?
[10:52] <claydoh> kde 3.5.6 packages are in edgy-updates? are these packages compatible with those on Kubuntu.org?
[10:52] <Tm_T> If you're selling something, then no.
[10:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:52] <Tm_T> Sure.
[10:52] <Jucato> hi claydoh
[10:52] <Jucato> claydoh: heh saw that too?
[10:52] <claydoh> hello Jucato
[10:52] <Hobbsee> claydoh: they wouldnt be in edgy updates.  will you be at the meeting tonight?
[10:52] <claydoh> maybe, it is may be hard to make it on time
[10:53] <Jucato> claydoh: can you ask the OP to do an apt-cache policy on the package that he says is being updated from edgy-updates? it might be from kubuntu.org
[10:53] <claydoh> there are 3.5.6 packages in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[10:53] <Jucato> Tm_T: heh I'll PM later :P
[10:53] <Hobbsee> claydoh: feisty ones, by any chance?
[10:54] <Tm_T> Jucato: Make it quick, will be sleeping in few hours. ;)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> claydoh: :)
[10:56] <claydoh> better me than the pointy stick :)
[10:56] <Hobbsee> hehe, awww
[10:56] <Hobbsee> claydoh: nah, i'll use that in hte meeting.  :D
[10:56] <Jucato> hah :)
[10:56] <claydoh> my wife has her own anyway
[10:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: does my wiki look ok? are you sure you people don't bite applicants?
[10:57] <Hobbsee> Jucato: only glanced, sorry.  following 2 meetings at once isnt easy
[10:58] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ah ok.. TB and ops right?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[10:58] <Jucato> sorry... later then
[10:58] <DaSkreech> whats the TB meeting about?
[10:59] <DaSkreech> They are making a new group of .. somethings?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> MOTU council, among other things
[11:00] <Jucato> Greyskull...
[11:01] <ScottK> Heya Hobsee.
[11:01] <ScottK> Can you use the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM on power-manager?
[11:02] <ScottK> The new one is out of control somehow - Bug #82313
[11:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[11:04] <claydoh> hmmm 23;00 utc = 18:00 EST (6 PM) might be there for a bit of it
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nick completion is your friend.
[11:04] <ajmitch> Hobsse: hm?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: adri2000 got MOTU?
[11:05] <ScottK> That's my understanding.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:05] <ScottK> I was on a long telcon with a client and am just catching up on scrollback, so I may have misread something.
[11:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:06] <ScottK> ajmitch: Reviewing my package?
[11:06] <ajmitch> nope
[11:06] <ScottK> I was afraid of that.
[11:06] <ScottK> oh well...
[11:06] <ajmitch> beating my head against php code
[11:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: Lure's looking at it
[11:07] <ScottK> Cool
[11:07] <ScottK> He and I talked earlier.
[11:07] <Lure> ScottK: yep, I am downgrading python-dbus currently
[11:07] <ScottK> ajmitch: Isn't that kind of redundant.
[11:07] <ajmitch> ScottK: sadly
[11:07] <ScottK> Sounds fun.
[11:08] <ScottK> It's snowing hard here and the eldest is waiting, so I probably better really go pick her up from school now...
[11:08] <ScottK> bye for now.
[11:12] <Jucato> claydoh: what timezone are you in again?
[11:12] <claydoh> US Eastern
[11:12] <claydoh> -5
[11:12] <Jucato> ok. thanks
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hrm
[11:13] <Jucato> claydoh: I may get in touch of you one of these days. you a bit free to work on KFN? have you been in touch with Open Source?
[11:14] <claydoh> I post a fair bit, not in direct contact with OS, but he's usually available if he isn't away
[11:14] <claydoh> I have some time here and there
[11:14] <Jucato> heh problem is, when is he not away... :)
[11:15] <claydoh> the military does that :)
[11:15] <Jucato> phooey :P
[11:16] <claydoh> cool, anyway . feel free to contact me :0
[11:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I had a problem with kdenetwork, it didn't compile properly, probably just my machine being funny
[11:17] <Jucato> claydoh: don't worry, I will heheh :)
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hrm, okay.
[11:17] <claydoh> you know where to find me :)
[11:25] <Lure> ScottK: yep, it is python-dbus 0.80!!!
[11:25] <ScottK> OK.  Now what?
[11:25] <Lure> ScottK: I will contact upstream to see if they have any explaination
[11:25] <ScottK> OK.
[11:26] <Lure> ScottK: it might be that we are doing something wrong and it did not trigger it before, or there is a bug in python-dbus
[11:26] <ScottK> Let me know if I can help out with something.
[11:28] <Lure> ScottK: python-dbus 0.80 was named "Everything changes" release ;-)
[11:28] <Lure> ScottK: http://www.j5live.com/?cat=14
[11:28] <ScottK> That doesn't sound good.
[11:30] <ScottK> At the very least we perhaps ought to jump from The Everything changes release (0.80.0 to 0.80.0 the oops release...
[11:30] <ScottK> The second 0.80.0 should be 0.80.1
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ScottK: main's frozen now
[11:33] <ScottK> Maybe somebody will make a Feisty package for 0.80.1 and we can test it until main unfreezes?
[11:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: one of you meetings is over :P
[11:34] <Hobbsee> yep
[11:34] <Hobbsee> actually, both are
[11:34] <Jucato> hehe ;)
[11:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: got it working now, uploading..
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool, thanks :)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: want me to poke mithrandir to accept it, or will you?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/printable.asp.html
[11:38] <Hobbsee> yay, big proposed timetable...
[11:39] <Jucato> asp... hm...
[11:40] <Jucato> monday is as bad as tuesday :P
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: me neither!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, true that.
[11:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait 10 minutes then politely poke him
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pity i cant change it - 29 hours takes ages
[11:40] <ScottK> I had a 0800 class first semester of my first year of college.  Never again.
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: of course :)
[11:40] <Jucato> O.O
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you think i go around poking everyone with my pointy stick?  sheesh!
[11:40] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:44] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I just did the unimaginable... I added my name to the list O.O
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: woot!
[11:46] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:47] <Jucato> do I need to prepare something to introduce myself in the meeting or will the wiki be enough?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> yeah.  3 liner.
[11:49] <Hobbsee> said i'd been hacking kaffeine all night, so i hadnt had time.
[11:49] <Lure> ScottK: we have 0.80.1
[11:49] <Jucato> heh not going for that yet... someday maybe
[11:49] <ajmitch> since there were only about 3 or 4 of us
[11:50] <ScottK> Lure: Thanks.  Misread the version number...
[11:50] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: lucky :P
[11:50] <ajmitch> hard to believe it's been that long now
[11:50] <Hobbsee> you're just getting old, ajmitch
[11:51] <ajmitch> true
[11:51] <ajmitch> so are you :P
[11:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:52] <Lure> ajmitch: never tell this to woman
[11:52] <Lure> ;-)
[11:52] <ajmitch> it's alright, I've met Hobbsee ;)
[11:52] <ajmitch> she's harmless
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hha
[11:52] <Hobbsee> hah
[11:52] <Hobbsee> sure about that?
[11:53] <ajmitch> yep
[11:53] <ajmitch> all talk ;)
[11:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Did you see my additions to the Meeting page?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: havent looked yet, sorry.
[11:53] <manchicken> That's cool ^_^
[11:53] <Hobbsee> argh, why's the agenda not in the meeting?
[11:53] <Jucato> Hobbsee: what he wanted to say was that he's also applying :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> ahh :)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: no.
[11:54] <ajmitch> darn
[11:54] <manchicken> w00t!  Jucato!
[11:54] <manchicken> Ooh, I should link my wiki like Jucato did.
[11:54] <Jucato> manchicken: you should :P
[11:55] <Riddell> Lure: you never said you were going for MOTU!
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: I know ;-)
[11:55] <Lure> Riddell: I always forget to plan this, so I applied when I have seen TB was there ;-)
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: now I will be able to play guinea pig for MUTU council ;-)
[11:56] <Lure> s/MUTU/MOTU/
[11:57] <ajmitch> lucky you
[11:57] <manchicken> There we go.  Wiki is linked.
[11:57] <Hobbsee> woo :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> ash211: going for membership on wednesday?
[11:57] <Hobbsee> manchicken: do you have the URL for the meeting agenda handy?
[11:57] <manchicken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:58] <ash211> Hobbsee: I'd like to, but I'm busy when it starts
[11:58] <ash211> how long will the meeting last?
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ash211: dunno.
[11:58] <Hobbsee> depends how many memberships
[11:58] <Hobbsee> manchicken: thanks
[11:58] <manchicken> np
[11:58] <manchicken> ^_^
[11:59] <ash211> i'll be back about an hour after it starts
[11:59] <ash211> If I get back in time, I'll try
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ash211: will probably be going then :)
[11:59] <ash211> should I prepare anything to get ready?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ash211: see the agenda :)
[11:59] <ash211> ah, I see the wikipage now
[12:00] <Hobbsee> night Lure!
[12:00] <Jucato> g'night Lure!
[12:06] <ash211> was there a big cut in karma recently?
[12:06] <ash211> I've lost about 90% of what I had on launchpad :(
[12:07] <Jucato> ditto
[12:09] <ash211> Jucato: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaAdjustmentsJan07
[12:12] <Jucato> ash211: thanks :)
[12:13] <Jucato> heh no wonder... so this is my *real* karma... not that big after all :P
[12:13] <ash211> mine's nowhere near where it was either
[12:13] <ash211> oh well, it's just a number :)