[12:18] <vixpoxi> well
[12:18] <vixpoxi> i've recently opened up a 40 gig partition
[12:19] <vixpoxi> and i've been thinking about installing another linux distro on it
[12:19] <vixpoxi> any suggestions?
[12:19] <flaccid> well Slackware rocks apparently but yeah i aint used it. probably prefer gentoo
[12:20] <flaccid> vixpoxi: install *bsd and learn unix
[12:20] <vixpoxi> bsd?
[12:20] <flaccid> yes
[12:20] <flaccid> freebsd, openbsd etc.
[12:20] <vixpoxi> mmm
[12:20] <flaccid> probably pc-bsd most suitable
[12:20] <vixpoxi> i was thinking of gentoo
[12:20] <vixpoxi> but i've had trouble getting that install to work
[12:20] <flaccid> yeah or gentoo. funny is that freebsd will be easier
[12:20] <flaccid> yeah exactly
[12:21] <vixpoxi> are you using gentoo?
[12:21] <flaccid> nah
[12:21] <flaccid> im at work where i use dapper
[12:21] <flaccid> at home i use freebsd
[12:21] <vixpoxi> how is freebsd?
[12:21] <flaccid> freebsd rox hard
[12:21] <vixpoxi> i'm on dapper currently, and i'm upgrading to edgy right now
[12:22] <vixpoxi> mm, i'll have to look into that
[12:22] <vixpoxi> i want to try a distro using gnome
[12:22] <flaccid> well i dont recommend the upgrade. my dapper to edgy upgrade although successfull pretty much just opened up bugs and issues whether it was edgy or the upgrade sucked i don't know
[12:22] <vixpoxi> well
[12:22] <flaccid> well most distros have gnome and kde available so it doesn't matter in that respect
[12:23] <vixpoxi> i mainly am upgrading so i can upgrade KDE
[12:23] <vixpoxi> if it gets screwed up, i'll just go back to dapper
[12:23] <vixpoxi> i was thinking of putting another ubuntu build on my 40 gig partition, and using gnome instead of KDE just to get a feel for it
[12:24] <vixpoxi> or debian
[12:24] <flaccid> um
[12:24] <flaccid> no need
[12:24] <flaccid> just install gnome in kubuntu
[12:24] <flaccid> choose from dropdown in kdm login
[12:24] <vixpoxi> huh
[12:25] <vixpoxi> and where do i find this?
[12:25] <flaccid> sudo apt-get isntall ubuntu-desktop
[12:25] <flaccid> just spell install correctly and that should work
[12:25] <vixpoxi> would i beable to look at the packages in synaptic?>
[12:25] <surgy> ok so i just reinstalled kubuntu onto my other hdd
[12:25] <flaccid> vixpoxi: sure
[12:25] <vixpoxi> oh well
[12:25] <surgy> sources.list is in /apt/sources.list right?
[12:25] <vixpoxi> my edgy is finishing up
[12:25] <vixpoxi> so i'll look into other distros when i reboot
[12:25] <flaccid> um /etc/apt
[12:26] <surgy> flaccid oh yeah lol
[12:26] <flaccid> :)
[12:26] <flaccid> well i think thats where it is
[12:26] <flaccid> appears to be :)
[12:26] <Jucato>  /etc/apt/souces.list
[12:27] <imsneakinaround> anyone know why some files on DVDs I have aren't readable? I have some massive collections on some DVDs and it fails around a certain point
[12:27] <imsneakinaround> yet the DVD is perfectly readable in windows, on other PCs, ect
[12:27] <Amadeo> Anyone play WoW in wine? :)
[12:29] <illriginal> is there a special combination of keys i can press to create a new folder?
[12:29] <Jucato> F10
[12:29] <illriginal> or do i need to keep right clickin > create new >
[12:29] <illriginal> ha nice
[12:30] <illriginal> LOL I love LINUX
[12:30] <Jucato> you can always make/set your own keyboard shortcut for it
[12:30] <illriginal> yeah by the way Jucato, how exactly do i do that?
[12:30] <illriginal> i've always wanted to know how to set keys to specific executions.
[12:32] <Jucato> illriginal: in Konqueror, Settings -> Configure Shortcuts
[12:32] <illriginal> niiiiiiice
[12:32] <illriginal> thanks a lot Jucato :)
[12:33] <Jucato> although, F10 seems to be a universal Create Folder shortcut (even in dialog boxes)
[12:33] <illriginal> this is awesome man
[12:34] <illriginal> that kills a lot of time
[12:35] <mena> How to make opera use java5 not java1.4
[12:39] <josh_> who got steam working here
[12:40] <lenscape> something very shakey with SATA DVD writer support in 6.10
[12:41] <lenscape> and K3B only half works
[12:45] <flaccid> mena: its in prefs
[12:45] <mena> flaccid, oka
[12:45] <mena> y
[12:46] <flaccid> find the java button
[12:46] <flaccid> :)
[12:46] <imsneakinaround> so, nobody would know why kubuntu is only half-reading my DVDs?
[12:46] <mena> flaccid, okay
[12:47] <flaccid> imsneakinaround: check the cli output of k3b/log
[12:47] <josh_> can somebody help me work steam in kubuntu
[12:47] <josh_> its working
[12:47] <flaccid> oh
[12:47] <flaccid> thats someone else
[12:47] <josh_> just there are no text on the buttons and menus
[12:47] <flaccid> imsneakinaround: half-reading ?
[12:47] <Minataku> Back
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> flaccid, yeah some of the DVDs I burned with Nero on Windows aren't being read complete, some files are unreadable
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> however, the files are perfectly fine/readable on windows and other PCs, ect
[12:48] <imsneakinaround> its only when I try and read them on my kubuntu setup
[12:49] <flaccid> what are they being mounted with
[12:49] <imsneakinaround> the filesystem?
[12:50] <flaccid> the command
[12:50] <flaccid> when its mounted gogo konsole and type mount and then find the entry and paste the 1 line here
[12:50] <flaccid> gogo=goto
[12:51] <imsneakinaround> hmm
[12:51] <imsneakinaround>  /dev/hdc on /media/DVD type udf (ro)
[12:53] <surgy> ! nvidia
[12:53] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:54] <imsneakinaround> any idea?
[12:54] <imsneakinaround> I know that the FS is UDF, its mounted as such
[12:58] <josh_> !cedega
[12:58] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[12:58] <josh_> #cedega
[12:59] <josh_> !winex
[12:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about winex - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:00] <josh_> !cvs
[01:00] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[01:01] <Minataku> SVN or Subversion is the successor to CVS
[01:01] <Minataku> !svn
[01:01] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[01:01] <Minataku> Most people don't use CVS anymore, in fact, it's largely being replaced by SVN
[01:03] <dropsl> hi
[01:06] <dbglt> g'day folks
[01:07] <dbglt> just wondering: I recently purchased a PC with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor (64-bit support) - is it advised I use the 64-bit version or 32 bit?
[01:07] <matthew__> 32 bit
[01:07] <flaccid> 64
[01:08] <matthew__> dbglt, unless you want to deal w/ all the 64-bit headaches (drivers, flash, java, etc...)
[01:08] <flaccid> thats true
[01:08] <Jucato> (w32codecs?)
[01:08] <dbglt> matthew__: hrmm. Is there any significant detriment to not using 64-bit?
[01:08] <matthew__> dbglt, my advice? try both, see which one works best for you...
[01:09] <dbglt> It is on a laptop, so I want things to work most of the time heh
[01:09] <matthew__> dbglt, not really...I think there is a marginal speed boost when using 64 bit...nothing phenomenal...
[01:10] <dbglt> matthew__: thanks for that. I reckon I'll stick with 32 bit for now, then. My laptop is coming tomorrow, just wanted to know which ISO to download  :)
[01:16] <intelikey> hmmm i know one could make a symlink in every home dir that linked to /tmp   but can one make a symlink named /tmp that links to every users home dir ?
[01:17] <DrunkPikachu> I know this might be wrong to ask from a full distro forum but,  would anyone happen to know of any guides which tell you how to create a minmalistic live linux distro from scratch (LFS and rBuilder are a bit too far ahead, I'm talking starting from a kernel compile)?
[01:17] <intelikey> will  ln -s \~/tmp /tmp    work ?
[01:17] <MrCreosote> hi there... question: is the kde system tray an applet? I just can't find where to add another one..
[01:18] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu DSL.org ?   maybe
[01:18] <DrunkPikachu> I'
[01:18] <DrunkPikachu> I'll check it out, thanks.
[01:19] <DrunkPikachu> real useful :|, lol
[01:20] <imsneakinaround> alright, really weird, I got my system to read my half-read DVD
[01:20] <imsneakinaround> by restarting UDFtools
[01:20] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu ah wrong url  i'll look.
[01:22] <cpk1> MrCreosote: pretty sure its an applet
[01:22] <imsneakinaround> believe you meant http://www.damnsmalllinux.org intelikey
[01:23] <intelikey> DrunkPikachu hmmm i didn't find the site i thought i knew where was...  maybe search  for 'damn small' @ http://distrowatch.com/
[01:25] <intelikey> imsneakinaround imsneakinaround actually i don't see the links on that page either.   there was a link to the documentation on how dsl was built    maybe i just over looked it...
[01:26] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround got it, but that still seems way far ahead. I have an assignment to create a live CD from scratch (& write down the steps taken to do so). The professor seems batshit crazy when it comes to homework (given he hasn't actually tought us anything about linux besides architecture) but I'm under the impression I would have to boot into my current linux install, and try to recompile the kernel into a useable live cd(rw).
[01:26] <DrunkPikachu> intelikey that would've been nice
[01:27] <imsneakinaround> I see, so you need to make your own live cd then?
[01:27] <MrCreosote> well,there isn't an entry for "system tray" or anything close in the applet box when I try to add one... funny that
[01:27] <intelikey> i have seen one.   just don't know the url if it's still posted DrunkPikachu   sorry for the misdirrect on the first one.
[01:27] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround, exactly
[01:27] <DrunkPikachu> intelikey: that's ok.
[01:28] <imsneakinaround> hmmmm
[01:28] <MrCreosote> But when I try to remove the "real" one.. i see it right there.. "system tray"
[01:28] <imsneakinaround> lets see if I can't dig something up
[01:28] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: awesome, I'm googling all over the place atm.
[01:29] <intelikey> MrCreosote so you don't see "System Tray"  in the list of applets when you right click the taskbar and select add applet ?     hmmmm?
[01:29] <MrCreosote> exactly
[01:30] <intelikey> well i'm running dapper  but it's there in dapper.
[01:30] <MrCreosote> I'm trying to add it to a "panel".. maybe that's the problem?
[01:30] <imsneakinaround> DrunkPikachu: you want a kubuntu live cd tutorial? or would any version of linux do?
[01:30] <Jucato> you can only have one system tray running at a time
[01:30] <MrCreosote> oh
[01:31] <MrCreosote> so I need to remove it first
[01:31] <Jucato> yes
[01:31] <flaccid> how to install dom inspector with firefox/for firefox??
[01:32] <MrCreosote> fantastic
[01:32] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Any I guess, all it really needs is to boot into bash or some form of terminal.
[01:32] <MrCreosote> thanks
[01:32] <intelikey> Jucato hmm it does disappear from the list once added...   odd
[01:32] <Jucato> intelikey: it's not really odd. it was meant to be like that
[01:32] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: I think I just found a large wiki based round gentoo, not quite sure if this is what I want
[01:32] <intelikey> and removing it doesn't add it back into the list.
[01:32] <Jucato> intelikey: it does
[01:32] <MrCreosote> it does
[01:32] <intelikey> no
[01:32] <MrCreosote> i just did it
[01:32] <imsneakinaround> yeah I saw that one too
[01:33] <Jucato> (of course you have to restart that Add Applet box)
[01:33] <MrCreosote> of course
[01:33] <intelikey> Jucato you have to restart the ^
[01:33] <imsneakinaround> durnkpikachu: http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/LiveCD_Creation_Resources
[01:33] <imsneakinaround> scroll down to the Linux portion of it
[01:33] <Jucato> intelikey: you were saying?
[01:33] <intelikey> yes.   but it removes it when you click add and doesn't replace it when you remove it from the
[01:33] <intelikey> pannel
[01:33] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Nicely done! Thanks.
[01:34] <imsneakinaround> hopefully theres enough different tutorials listed there to cobble something together :)
[01:34] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: Even if there isn't I'm sure Ill get more done than anyone else in the class :D
[01:35] <llisper> Hello. Does anyone use Katapult here?
[01:35] <imsneakinaround> haha
[01:35] <intelikey> i would count that as a short-comming in kde.   there should be a refresh button or something to cover that.    one should not need to restart apps for changes to take affect in a one dirrectional way.
[01:35] <llisper> How to choose another application for given starting letters?
[01:35] <Jucato> intelikey: not really that odd. the action of adding the system tray applet comes from the Add Applet dialog box, so it knows that the applet was added to the panel and therefore removes it from the list. removing the applet from the panel, however, doesn't come from the dialog box
[01:35] <intelikey> if it affects in to add an applet it should affect it to remove the same aplet
[01:36] <imsneakinaround> building a live cd that only needs to get into bash should be especially easy
[01:36] <Jucato> intelikey: you're looking at it from the wrong direction.
[01:37] <intelikey> Jucato i don't really need a lecture on why it does that.  i understand all that.  i still stand my ground on the point that a refresh button would be a simple and usefull fix.
[01:37] <Jucato> http://bugs.kde.org
[01:39] <DrunkPikachu> imsneakinaround: I would hope so, I'm still a noob. I don't know much more than ls and g++. Maybe some yum..... :)
[01:39] <imsneakinaround> no worries, i'm even more of a noob than that :D
[01:39] <Jucato> llisper: just keep on typing the app's name until you get a hit
[01:40] <imsneakinaround> i'm just guessing that getting to bash is a lot easier than getting an entire distro up :)
[01:40] <llisper> Jucato: But the problem is I have a folder named firefox in my home directory too ...
[01:40] <llisper> so the full name are the same. ...
[01:41] <Jucato> llisper: "Firefox W..."?
[01:43] <flaccid> has firefox 2 been backported to dapper yet?
[01:43] <Jucato> I don't think it will
[01:43] <flaccid> probably too much work for them
[01:43] <Jucato> more of too many dependencies that would/could break Dapper's stability
[01:43] <flaccid> i'd love to know what the actual issue is. probably packagers stuffing around way too much with packages
[01:44] <llisper> Jucato: I want to launch firefox, but it selects a folder named firefox and does not get firefox selected
[01:44] <flaccid> yeah coz they fork stuff way too much in ubuntu
[01:44] <flaccid> make it not extensible
[01:44] <Jucato> llisper: try typing "Firefox W"
[01:45] <llisper> Jucato: ok. got it. Firefox Web Browser ... thanks
[01:45] <Jucato> flaccid: I presume you do have enough packaging and distro knowledge to have come to that conclusion so I won't carry the conversation further
[01:45] <llisper> Jucato: Do you know if Katapult has any keyboard shortcuts to list more than one matching entries?
[01:46] <Jucato> llisper: none yet. it's one feature they're considering, afaik
[01:46] <flaccid> i don't have much knowledge, but i know that a lot of firefox deps packages have been changed a bit too much for that to be a problem. another reason why i moved to freebsd. even windows can support a new firefox :)
[01:46] <codyt> anyone know how to add a custom session to KDM?
[01:47] <Jucato> llisper: fwiw, I turn off the Document catalog because it's the least useful for me
[01:47] <specialbuddy> what's a good program for ripping to ogg
[01:47] <specialbuddy> ?
[01:47] <llisper> Jucato: thanks again.
[01:47] <Bxnp> grip specialbuddy
[01:47] <Bxnp> wich is gnome
[01:47] <Bxnp> but its simple and good
[01:47] <specialbuddy> grip
[01:47] <Bxnp> just do apt-get install grip
[01:48] <specialbuddy> do I have to get a bunch of dependencies for it to work?
[01:48] <Jucato> flaccid: Windows has a different installation system than Linux. it doesn't care about dependencies that much. also, Firefox makes those installers for Windows. it's not appropriate to compare the two
[01:48] <Bxnp> dont know what you alraedy have
[01:48] <Jucato> but this is getting offtopic
[01:48] <Bxnp> just do apt-get install grip
[01:48] <Bxnp> and you will see for yourselff
[01:48] <Jucato> !rip
[01:48] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[01:48] <Jucato> specialbuddy: ^^^
[01:48] <flaccid> Jucato: its totally appropriate. i'm talking from a user level not a developer's..
[01:48] <Jucato> Bxnp: can't get any simpler than that ^^^^
[01:49] <specialbuddy> thanks guys
[01:49] <Bxnp> i know, just a big fan of grip
[01:49] <Bxnp> naar werner@erselina.nl
[01:49] <Bxnp> ehm wrong channel
[01:49] <flaccid> the average person who is told that their kubuntu can't support the new firefox is not going to care that the OSs are different etc. they will just think that kubuntu sux :)
[01:50] <Jucato> flaccid: they can also be told that *that* particular release of Kubuntu can't support the new firefox, but more recent releases can
[01:50] <Jucato> Dapper was never meant to be a release that will have the latest versions
[01:51] <Bxnp> just go to the firefox and download the latest version
[01:51] <Bxnp> and make symlinks for your old plugins
[01:51] <Bxnp> you dont have to wait before someone puts int in dapper
[01:51] <intelikey> dapper was 'supposed' to be meant for stability...
[01:52] <flaccid> sorry but i think you are missing the point jucy. normal users don't care abou the technical. they just see it has i downloaded the lastest stable 2 weeks ago and firefox2 came out and my OS can't even support it!
[01:52] <Jucato> anyway, like I said, the conversation is getting offtopic. feel free to carry it on in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:52] <flaccid> hmm its about dapper so its ontopic but i have nothing else to say
[01:53] <Jucato> no, the topic is about "ubuntu won't update to firefox 2. 0 in dapper because blah blah blah". this is a support channel
[01:53] <intelikey> flaccid it's not off topic because it's about dapper.  it's off topic because it's an ideological issue and not a "help" issue.
[01:54] <Jucato> also, if you have a packaging question or suggestion, #ubuntu-motu is the place to ask/talk about it
[01:54] <flaccid> well i see it has a cry out for help
[01:54] <flaccid> a cry out for change
[01:54] <flaccid> i need help firefox2 won't work in dapper :)
[01:55] <Jucato> and you already got your answer: you either upgrade to Edgy or you install on your own, using Firefox's code
[01:55] <flaccid> indeed
[01:55] <eimajenthat> How do I set tell KDE to execute a command everytime I login?
[01:55] <flaccid> no reason to go hectic on me when i said i have nothing more to say :)
[01:55] <intelikey> flaccid fair enough.  the answer would be simple.   dapper uses ff1.  so if you need ff2. use a later version on *buntu
[01:55] <intelikey> next
[01:56] <Minataku> That's kind of Microsoft-ish
[01:56] <flaccid> but i just installed dappper :( hehe i'll shut up now..
[01:56] <Jucato> flaccid: I do understand your "need", but this isn't the place to ask about that, as very few packagers are in here anyway
[01:56] <intelikey> exscreemly few
[01:56] <Jucato> eimajenthat: just a command or a program?
[01:56] <Jucato> !autostart
[01:56] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[01:57] <flaccid> damn straight it is
[01:57] <flaccid> kind of forces someone to use the new release when the old release is still in production and supported for 5 years
[01:57] <flaccid> but hey i'll stfu up now!
[01:57] <flaccid> (i should of been a laywer or a politician)
[01:57] <Ippatsu> eimajenthat: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:57] <Minataku> "It's not supported, upgrade or f?ck off"
[01:58] <Minataku> Excuses again :P
[01:58] <flaccid> hehe
[01:58] <intelikey> flaccid how does it force you ?    why do you even  need/want ff ?
[01:58] <Minataku> Please don't make me sorry I finally decided to recommend *buntu to people
[01:58] <flaccid> i'm a web developer. period. :)
[01:59] <Jucato> Minataku: unlike MS, upgrading to a new version doesn't cost you money
[01:59] <Minataku> Ooooh, it's like getting hit with a combo in Street Fighter, except here credibility is dropping like a rock instead of health
[01:59] <intelikey> flaccid then why aren't you running developement versions of * ?
[01:59] <flaccid> don't feel like waiting 20 hours to upgrade when it will probably have issues after anyway
[01:59] <will> hey guys.  I'm pretty new to linux.  I was just in the process of upgrading to Edgy when everything got messed up
[01:59] <flaccid> because i develop websites, not mozilla ?
[01:59] <eimajenthat> It's not that Microsoft-ish.  Microsoft would charge $500 for edgy, instead of making it free.  And FF1 would have serious security issues, rather than working quite well, as it does IMHO.
[02:00] <Jucato> flaccid: users need to get used to the concept of what LTS is. it's a new idea to Ubuntu so a lot of misconceptions happen.
[02:00] <Minataku> flaccid: Maybe switch to Gentoo, it's harder but if you follow the instructions properly it's not bad
[02:00] <flaccid> where is on unix, you'd just do the upgrade :)
[02:00] <Minataku> Not to mention that what you want is pretty much what you get, period.
[02:00] <Jucato> flaccid: but in time, it will be understood. just like Debian Stable
[02:00] <will> I changed all of the "dapper"s to "edgy" in my source list in Adept
[02:00] <Minataku> I've got Firefox 2.0.0.2
[02:00] <codyt> <3gentoo
[02:00] <Jucato> !upgrade | will
[02:00] <ubotu> will: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:00] <Minataku> codyt: Same here
[02:00] <flaccid> don't worry i read the document on LTS. need to ack that people are not smart and also don't like to read...
[02:01] <flaccid> Minataku: nah freebsd  :)
[02:01] <Minataku> flaccid: I guess your only hope is to install/compile yourself and break everything or upgrade and break everything
[02:01] <codyt> I'd still be using my gentoo installation if I hadn't already done so much to this kubuntu installation
[02:01] <Jucato> flaccid: presuming that all users are not smart or wouldn't understand is doing a disservice to them, not to mention insulting them
[02:01] <will> and then fetched updates and did "full upgrade"
[02:01] <Minataku> Jucato: More or less telling people they're SOL is a much greater disservice
[02:01] <Jucato> will: you have to follow that guide given above
[02:01] <will> it got hung up somewhere and Adept quit
[02:01] <flaccid> Jucato: i could cite statistics but i won't waste my time. i didn't use the word ALL.
[02:02] <flaccid> but how many people have you told to read something and they havnt you know exactly what i mean..
[02:02] <Jucato> flaccid: in logic, the absence of something that limits number (like some, a few) presumes an "all"
[02:02] <flaccid> who reads the who manual before driving the new car?
[02:02] <intelikey> Minataku i want a linux system that will run all the windows stuff ?
[02:02] <flaccid> Jucato: definition of generalisation would disagree :)
[02:02] <flaccid> and honestly who has read a windows manual :)
[02:02] <eimajenthat> Thanks all for the autostart tips in KDE
[02:02] <will> Jucato: I think I've ruined that
[02:02] <Minataku> flaccid: I did
[02:03] <flaccid> i think i did too
[02:03] <Minataku> I think I actually read my paper Windows 95 manual
[02:03] <Jucato> I didn't, because I didn't have one
[02:03] <Minataku> Back when you actually GOT manuals
[02:03] <will> Jucato: after adept quit the upgrade (probably done wrong), I lost SU ability
[02:03] <Jucato> will: try to follow the steps again, it might stil work out. and don't use adept
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku so will the newest version of kubuntu or any other distro do that ?
[02:03] <flaccid> well its not a bad generalisation to say that the chances of a non-technical person reading the manual is low.
[02:03] <flaccid> call me a realist.
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku i want a linux system that will run all the windows stuff ?     am i "SOL" ?
[02:03] <will> Jucato: I restarted and now I can't even login
[02:04] <Jucato> will: try booting into Recovery mode?
[02:04] <Jucato> !offtopic (again)
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[02:04] <will> Jucato: THATS WHERE i'M AT NOW
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey: Depends, what old-ass version of WINE is on Dapper/Edgy?
[02:04] <Minataku> Speaking of, I need to up to the latest
[02:05] <Minataku> Thankfully a simple, single-line command gets me precisely what I wish
[02:05] <will> Jucato: I'm at the command line and don't know what to do.  again, a newbie that has been spoiled by years of gui
[02:05] <Minataku> Without having to upgrade EVERYTHING
[02:05] <Jucato> will: are you able to browse that page given above about upgrading? the instructions there are for the command line
[02:06] <Jucato> will: except the "sudo -i" part
[02:06] <Jucato> because you will be root when you boot into REcovery mode
[02:06] <will> Jucato: ok, I'll give that a shot.
[02:06] <Minataku> I assume "Recovery Mode" == "Single-User Mode"?
[02:06] <Jucato> will: I'd say start with #3
[02:06] <Jucato> Minataku: yep
[02:06] <Minataku> Ah
[02:06] <will> Jucato: so when it says "sudo -i" do I just omit, or replace with something else
[02:07] <will> Jucato: ok, I'll try that
[02:07] <Jucato> will: no need to if you went to recovery mode. you will have something like username@ubuntu:~#
[02:07] <Minataku> Sorry for flying off the handle, but that really just brought back memories of Windows and the closed-source crap that runs on it
[02:08] <Minataku> Single-User Mode is a special mode where multiuser is severely restricted, pretty much nonexistant... the only user logged in is root, and is intended only for maintenance issues
[02:08] <Jucato> this is one of those maintenance cases
[02:08] <Jucato> but..
[02:08] <Jucato> will: what happens when you try to boot normally?
[02:09] <intelikey>         "everything is a compromise of some sort."   "you can't have your cake and eat it too," as long as "developers" whether of distros or single apps, have the attatude that they do seem to have in common; namely "it works on what we built it for" then you will never have unilateral compatability.  it's simply not possable.    another factor involved is the common denomonator that almost without exception, everyone is
[02:10] <will> Jucato: just a sec, I'll run through it again and give you more spec details
[02:10] <Minataku> intelikey: Funny, I have no issues with the latest versions on Gentoo
[02:11] <Minataku> Currently running Firefox 2.0.0.2
[02:11] <Minataku> And as soon as Portage completes it's sync, I'ma install the latest version of WINE
[02:12] <will> Jucato: I login as usual and it goes straight to a blue screen with error message "could not start kstartupconfig.  Check your installation"
[02:12] <Minataku> This is on topic, believe it or now
[02:12] <Minataku> *not
[02:13] <Jucato> will: press Ctrl+Alt+F1 then login, then enter the command "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop"
[02:13] <Jucato> then follow the upgrade guide
[02:13] <intelikey> Minataku so does photoshop and all the latest windows stuff run on that system ?    does all the mac stuff run there does all the solarus stuff..... ?
[02:13] <will> Jucato: it also cant start kdeinit.
[02:14] <Jucato> will: but can you press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a console session?
[02:14] <klepto> anyone know why adobe flash 9 has sound problems in firefox but not in any other browser?
[02:15] <notech> klepto: using OSS or ALSA for sound?
[02:15] <Minataku> intelikey: Of course not, it's a Linux system, but you're obviously reaching for completely unrelated things in an attempt to rescure your side of the argument
[02:15] <will> Jucato: it asks for a password.  I give the su password.  it works for a minute and then replies "login incorrect"
[02:15] <juano__> klepto: cat /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[02:15] <klepto> alsa
[02:16] <intelikey> Minataku i had/have no "side in that argument"
[02:16] <Jucato> will: you need to login there like you login to KDE. give your username and your user password
[02:16] <klepto> no such /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[02:16] <klepto> let me check my home dir
[02:16] <juano__> klepto: 2.0 ?
[02:17] <klepto> yup
[02:17] <juano__> klepto: ls -a /etc/firefox ??
[02:18] <klepto> my bad
[02:18] <klepto> found it
[02:18] <klepto> FIREFOX_DSP=aoss
[02:19] <klepto> wow that is wierd
[02:19] <juano__> klepto: mmm... neat, i got "none" in there and works fine, maybe changing that to alsa or alsaoss will help
[02:20] <Minataku> Oooh
[02:20] <Minataku> Cyrillic
[02:20] <juano__> "aoss" should say or "none", first sudo cp firefoxrc firefoxrc.bak
[02:20] <specialbuddy> is there a way to change bitrate with kaudiocreater
[02:20] <Minataku> I compile my kernels with ALSA + OSS Emulation, covers all the bases and never had an issue yet
[02:21] <will> Jucato: I logged in as myself.  then typed the command you gave.  entered su password.  it went to the kubuntu black screen with the progress bar.  0 progress has been made after 5min
[02:21] <Minataku> Sorry, intelikey, BTW, if I upset you in any way... was not my intention
[02:22] <klepto> my next question: i need to put rsync in cron but i don't know how to make it work without supplying a password
[02:22] <Jucato> will: oh, go back to Ctrl+Alt+F1, then use the guide, start from #1
[02:22] <intelikey> Minataku no blood no foul
[02:23] <Minataku> ^^
[02:28] <harden> so, I can startx successfully from the cl as root, but can't login as a normal user. any recommendations on (maybe) config files I should try copying from the root account or any other help would be appreciated
[02:28] <intelikey> harden own your home
[02:28] <harden> intelikey: ?
[02:28] <intelikey> harden man chown
[02:28] <flaccid> harden: check xorg log
[02:28] <slyfox> Someone talk to me. I have installed fresh Kubuntu 6.10 and as it jsut isntalled, I went into the source list, added the latest KDE 3.5.6 and only then pressed the update and the full upgrade button. It did a huge update of everything, then I installed latest nvidia drivers and firefox and autofs skype. And only then I restarted. All worked well, but skype, gizmo and wengo would have problems with voice. I tried
[02:28] <slyfox> everything that I knew (I know very little I am a noob) and nothing worked. So I reintalled Kubuntu again now without the latest KDE and just did everything as I did efore but without ugrading to the latest KDE. Skype works well. Is there a bug in latest KDE I should report ?
[02:28] <harden> I know how chown works. are you suggesting that I change the owner of my user account to root?
[02:29] <flaccid> check log before any action
[02:29] <harden> user account's ~ rather?
[02:29] <intelikey> harden in short  it sounds like you ran something like konqueror with sudo konqueror and messed up permissions in your home.      command would look something like the exampel here: sudo chown -R muskrat:muskrat /home/muskrat
[02:29] <flaccid> like tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:30] <intelikey> harden and the question you asked "are you suggesting that I change the owner of my user account to root? <<< contridicts the perseeding statement you made >>> <harden> I know how chown works.
[02:31] <harden> see my 2nd statement. I meant to say user's home folder and corrected myself
[02:31] <flaccid> harden: follow intelikey's command if that doesn't fix it check xorg log and go from there
[02:33] <tamacracker> Hey guys...
[02:33] <tamacracker> my firefox
[02:33] <tamacracker> keeps tryin to open but then it closes automatically
[02:33] <tamacracker> how do i fix this problem?
[02:34] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Launch it from a Konsole session and see what errors it gives.
[02:34] <tamacracker> ok
[02:35] <tamacracker> heh
[02:35] <tamacracker> do i type firefox?
[02:35] <Slackwise> Most likely.
[02:35] <Slackwise> Or mozilla-firefox
[02:35] <tamacracker> Failed to open device
[02:35] <tamacracker> Segmentation fault
[02:36] <Slackwise> Is the error Fireefox gives?
[02:36] <tamacracker> yes
[02:36] <Slackwise> Weird...
[02:36] <tamacracker> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:36] <Slackwise> I'd delete your ~/.mozilla directory
[02:36] <tamacracker> huh?! why?...
[02:36] <Slackwise> (but keep your bookmarks.html)
[02:36] <tamacracker> ok
[02:36] <Slackwise> And restart Firefox.
[02:36] <tamacracker> keep my bookmarks
[02:37] <tamacracker> which is a html document
[02:37] <intelikey> Jucato is this error common place or do i have something broken ?    >>> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[02:37] <Slackwise> Yep.
[02:37] <tamacracker> and delete everything else
[02:37] <tamacracker> ok
[02:37] <Jucato> intelikey: very common
[02:37] <intelikey> ok.
[02:37] <Slackwise> I mean, I could go ahead and diagnose things in a more complicated manner, but I'm assuming that Firefox may just be poorly configured.
[02:37] <Slackwise> Erasing all of ~/.mozilla will erase your configuration.
[02:37] <intelikey> i couldn't see it affecting anything but noticed the recurant error
[02:37] <Slackwise> Is this a recent event? Or have you never been able to launch Firefox?
[02:38] <tamacracker> Slackwise
[02:38] <tamacracker> when i restart my machine
[02:38] <tamacracker> (not x)
[02:38] <tamacracker> it'll fix it
[02:38] <tamacracker> when i restart x
[02:38] <tamacracker> it doesn't help
[02:38] <Slackwise> Ahhh, okay, well.
[02:38] <Slackwise> That changes things. :P
[02:38] <tamacracker> yeah it happens randomly
[02:38] <Slackwise> This involves analysis of all your log files.
[02:39] <tamacracker> some days it works without a problem, other times it'll just close by itself, then i try to restart it and it pretends to load but then quickly closes.
[02:39] <tamacracker> ok..
[02:39] <Slackwise> If it's complaining about a device, I'd check the kernel message logs.
[02:39] <will> Jucato: how do I access kate or some other text editor from the command line
[02:39] <Slackwise> Or if it's X related, I'd check the x.org logs.
[02:39] <Jucato> will: use "nano"
[02:39] <will> Jucato: I thought I knew how but I keep getting an error that it cannot connect to x server
[02:39] <tamacracker> console.log?
[02:39] <Slackwise> It's complaining about a "bad input device", correct?
[02:39] <Jucato> will: in nano, Ctrl+O = save/overwrite, and Ctrl+X = exit
[02:39] <Slackwise> tamacracker: /var/log/x.org.log or similar.
[02:39] <tamacracker> yeah
[02:40] <will> how do I get to nano
[02:40] <tamacracker> ok
[02:40] <Slackwise> And then you can read through the output of "dmesg"
[02:40] <Jucato> will: what are you trying to edit?
[02:40] <Jucato> will: just type "nano filename" or "sudo nano filename"
[02:41] <will> Jucato: sources list.  k
[02:41] <Jucato> will: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:42] <tamacracker> uh.. Slackwise
[02:42] <tamacracker> can i post it onto pastebin
[02:42] <tamacracker> and maybe you can help me fix this?
[02:43] <tamacracker> the file i opened is Xorg.0.log
[02:43] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Yea, let me take a look :P
[02:43] <tamacracker> sweet
[02:43] <Minataku> Holy crap... the first public release of Debian has all email addresses at pixar.com
[02:43] <Minataku> Suddenly it dawns on me precisely why their releases are named after Toy Story characters
[02:44] <tamacracker> www.pastebin.com
[02:44] <tamacracker> ah crap i gotta use konquere lol
[02:45] <intelikey> Minataku oh cool  redhat 2.0    that's  old   :)
[02:45] <Minataku> Heehee, yeah
[02:46] <Minataku> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/ << BTW, since this started in a PM XD
[02:47] <tamacracker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3412/
[02:47] <tamacracker> Slackwise ^
[02:48] <slyfox> What is the command to udpate and upgraade? sudp apt-get update, apt-get upgrade?
[02:49] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Ack, interesting.
[02:49] <tamacracker> what?
[02:49] <tamacracker> ><
[02:49] <Jucato> dist-upgrade
[02:49] <Slackwise> Pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:49] <tamacracker> ok
[02:50] <intelikey> slyfox edit your sources.list and do:  sudp apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade              but be advised that the guide on the wiki may sujest other perceeding steps. and any upgrade may break things.
[02:50] <intelikey> !upgrade | slyfox
[02:50] <ubotu> slyfox: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:51] <josh_> hey
[02:51] <josh_> how do i install cedega
[02:51] <tamacracker> slackwise: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3413/
[02:51] <josh_> its a shell script file
[02:51] <intelikey> sh file.sh
[02:51] <intelikey> sudo sh file.sh
[02:51] <intelikey> probably.
[02:52] <intelikey> pro-bob-a-billy
[02:53] <Slackwise> tamacracker: You used nvidia-xconfig...? nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig
[02:53] <tamacracker> huh?
[02:53] <tamacracker> i dont understand slackwise.
[02:53] <Slackwise> tamacracker: line 1 of xorg.conf
[02:54] <Slackwise> Last time I tried nvidia-xconfig, it broke things :P
[02:54] <Slackwise> Badly.
[02:54] <tamacracker> <,< what do i do?
[02:54] <tamacracker> im scared to mess with that.
[02:54] <tamacracker> last time i messed with it.. it broke my gui
[02:54] <tamacracker> lol
[02:55] <slyfox> Why is Ubuntu so high and Kubuntu so low? I wonder.
[02:55] <intelikey> high ~ low ?
[02:55] <slyfox> on distrowatch
[02:55] <slyfox> rating
[02:56] <intelikey> number of ld's
[02:56] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Hmm, I really should be on Linux so I can test some things, but I'm fairly sure the wacom tablet drivers section should be commented out in xorg.conf
[02:56] <tamacracker> yeah i dont have a tablet pc lol
[02:56] <slyfox> intelikey: I mean, why is Ubuntu more popular than Kubuntu, Kubuntu is really cool.
[02:56] <tamacracker> is wacom associated with wireless connection?
[02:56] <Slackwise> No.
[02:56] <Slackwise> wacom == tablet maker
[02:57] <Slackwise> http://www.infogrip.com/images/products/Graphireweb_prod.jpg
[02:57] <tamacracker> oh screw it, im gonna just comment it out.
[02:57] <tamacracker> yeah i dont have that lol
[02:57] <Slackwise> By default, I recall it being in all pre-configured xorg.conf files, but I'm fairly sure it was commented out.
[02:57] <dope> so i'm not employed by a company that makes money off of DRM materials
[02:58] <Slackwise> And I have barely mucked around with xorg seeing as the default configs often work flawlessly. Last time I remember wrangling and fighting X11 was with XFree86 on an ATI card.
[02:58] <Slackwise> But that was back around kernel 2.2 and 2.4
[02:58] <tamacracker> so comment all this out, line for line, yes?: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3415/
[02:59] <intelikey> slyfox because it's not as promoted ?
[02:59] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Yes, put # as the first character of each of those lines
[02:59] <tamacracker> ok
[02:59] <intelikey> slyfox ask me a question about the way linux does things...   but don't ask me about marketing...
[03:00] <Slackwise> tamacracker: I'm not 100% sure that will fix your issue, but it will get rid of the error messages from the xorg logs.
[03:00] <tamacracker> yeah i dont want things that i dont need
[03:00] <intelikey> Slackwise do you have a default xorg.conf ?
[03:00] <tamacracker> and i dunno exactly how to get rid of them all
[03:00] <tamacracker> other than add/remove programs
[03:01] <Slackwise> intelikey: Nope.
[03:01] <intelikey> Slackwise ummmm hmmm.   well i'm not sure which release started it.  but all the default xorg.conf files in *buntu have the three wacom entries
[03:02] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Either way, Firefox was complaining about a bad input device. So was Xorg. A wacom tablet is an input device. Your Xorg has the lines uncommented... logically, this seems sane. But there are other factors that may come into play."
[03:02] <Slackwise> intelikey: Yes, but uncommented?
[03:02] <Slackwise> Also, I'm not on Linux right now.
[03:02] <Slackwise> I'm doing work related stuff, on XP and my PowerBook. :/
[03:02] <intelikey> yes.  and  the standard answer is "ignore the errors, they don't hurt anything"
[03:03] <Slackwise> intelikey: I was assuming that possibility.
[03:03] <Slackwise> intelikey: I know that back in the XFree86 days, it would have fallen flat on it's face from such an error.
[03:03] <tamacracker> naw these errors are screwing up my firefox
[03:03] <tamacracker> slackwise as of now is correct..
[03:03] <tamacracker> that's an input device i dont use nor need
[03:03] <Slackwise> Yea, but that may not be the true issue.
[03:03] <tamacracker> and it needs to be commented if that'll stop tryin to use a hardware i dont use.
[03:03] <Slackwise> Firefox is the only application that has issues, right?
[03:04] <tamacracker> yes
[03:04] <tamacracker> the only one.
[03:04] <Slackwise> It may just be a configuration issue, to be honest. (like I stated earlier, with the removal of ~/.mozilla)
[03:04] <[aegis] > Hey, I'm having a little problem with my post-login splash screen... I tried changing it in the menu, and now the account won't load the desktop properly... does anyone know where the actual config file is to modify the splash screen?
[03:04] <Slackwise> Seeing as nothing else is affected, my first step would have been to scrap my mozilla config and just put my bookmarks back in
[03:04] <Slackwise> If that didn't work, I'd sit down and read logs. :P
[03:05] <Slackwise> Like intelikey stated, it's standard to have the wacom tablets listed in xorg.conf, and I know I've seen them. I didn't recall if they were commented or not.
[03:05] <Slackwise> Seeing as Xorg starts, and all other applications work, the wacom errors seem negligible.
[03:05] <tamacracker> but how about the files i downloaded, such as addons?
[03:05] <will> Jucato: ok, I've been following the guide.  so far, everything is the same as I did the first time
[03:06] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Those will be gone, unless you backup the plugins directory inside your mozilla profile
[03:06] <intelikey> [aegis]  look in ~/.kde/share/config/   maybe
[03:06] <Slackwise> tamacracker: Also, they may be the source of the issue :P
[03:06] <tamacracker> and how come sudo kedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  is not workin?
[03:06] <Slackwise> you want kdesu
[03:06] <Slackwise> Instead of sudo
[03:06] <tamacracker> ok
[03:07] <intelikey> [aegis]  if that's not what you are after the system wide kdm settings are in /etc/kde*/kdm/   something.
[03:07] <will> Jucato: when I tried # apt-get -u dist-upgrade  it was unable to install and said some dependencies were missing.  it recommended using -f
[03:07] <tamacracker> Command 'kedit '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'' not found
[03:07] <ForgeAus> um I've gone and messed up my kubuntu again!
[03:07] <Slackwise> err, kate
[03:07] <harden> well, changing ownership of the files in /home didn't work, but it put me on the right path, so thanks
[03:07] <will> Jucato:  does -u stand for upgrade and -f stand for full install?
[03:07] <Slackwise> Kate is the KDE editor.
[03:07] <tamacracker> ok
[03:07] <ForgeAus> this time its very very strange
[03:07] <intelikey> wrong file name
[03:07] <Jucato> will: try step #5
[03:07] <ForgeAus> (even stranger if you ask me)
[03:07] <Jucato> will: no. -f  means fix
[03:07] <ForgeAus> well its not exactly messed up it actually boots into... erm.... something
[03:08] <intelikey> tamacracker look for /etc/X11/nvidia*
[03:08] <ForgeAus> busybox...
[03:08] <tamacracker> why nvidia?
[03:08] <will> Jucato: should I take the computer's recommendation before moving to step 5?
[03:08] <Slackwise> Or is there a Kedit? Sorry, I'm not really a KDE users much. I tried Kubuntu as an alternative to my usual Gentoo/GNOME usage, because I'm too busy to deal with compilations and the sort. :/
[03:08] <tamacracker> im scared to mess with my video drivers.
[03:08] <tamacracker> kate did the trick
[03:08] <intelikey> file name is nvidia-xconfig   or some such.
[03:08] <Jucato> will: um.. hm... try step 5 first. if that doesn't work, "sudo apt-get -f install"
[03:09] <intelikey> " -f stand for full install?"   no -f == finish
[03:09] <josh_> ok i have cedega
[03:10] <josh_> #cedega
[03:10] <dwidmann|sleep> -f == --fix-broken
[03:10] <_spaz> hello
[03:10] <will> k
[03:10] <_spaz> i have a microphone problem
[03:10] <Amadeo> I'm still having problems with Adept loading
[03:11] <_spaz> in my programs i can't get the mic to work
[03:11] <_spaz> but when i activate the mic in kmix i hear my echo
[03:11] <tamacracker> ok.. gonna restart X
[03:11] <_spaz> but it won't record
[03:12] <intelikey> dwidmann|sleep -f == --fix-broken  ?    umm   -f & --fix-broken  == finish installing what ever is not finished...
[03:12] <Amadeo> To be honest, I think I know what the problem is...I load Adept, but it doesn't prompt me for a password sometimes, and just doesn't load...
[03:13] <intelikey> symantic.  i know.  so disreguard.
[03:13] <dwidmann|sleep> exactly
[03:14] <dwidmann|sleep> amadeo, that's a problem with kdesu afaik
[03:14] <Amadeo> dwidmann: Is there any fix for it?
[03:15] <dwidmann> If only :\
[03:15] <Amadeo> :(
[03:15] <intelikey> i can say without reservation that i have had more problems and breakages with dpkg than any other package manager that i have ever used.    and the least trubble with rpm.      but have learned how to fix all of them on my own boxen
[03:16] <will> Jucato: ok, I think my sources list has some issues.  when I "apt-get update" it tells me that some were ignored or unable to download
[03:16] <_spaz> i need help with my mic
[03:16] <underdog5004> intelikey, lol, I didn't even realize that dpkg was a package manager!
[03:16] <Jucato> will: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[03:16] <Jucato> !pastebin | will
[03:16] <ubotu> will: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:16] <dwidmann> !dpkg | underdog5004
[03:16] <ubotu> underdog5004: dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[03:16] <intelikey> underdog5004 it's what adept/apt/dselect/apatude all use.
[03:16] <underdog5004> ah, ok
[03:17] <intelikey> oh and synaptic and kpkg
[03:17] <intelikey> !dpkg
[03:17] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[03:17] <underdog5004> right
[03:18] <_spaz> i have a problem with my mic
[03:18] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh, again?
[03:18] <_spaz> in my programs i can't get the mic to work
[03:18] <_spaz> but when i activate the mic in kmix i hear my echo
[03:19] <LobsterWing> spaz is your other name ace>
[03:20] <underdog5004> so...
[03:20] <_spaz> no
[03:20] <ForgeAus> kpkg?
[03:20] <ForgeAus> I thought it was kpackage
[03:20] <intelikey> !kpkg
[03:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kpkg - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:21] <intelikey> hmmm may be.
[03:21] <ForgeAus> !kpackage
[03:21] <ubotu> kpackage: KDE package management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 679 kB, installed size 1388 kB
[03:21] <LobsterWing> i have this mic problem too
[03:21] <ForgeAus> I actually like it better than adept!
[03:21] <LobsterWing> i cant get it to work on ts and skype
[03:21] <ForgeAus> and thats saying something
[03:21] <ForgeAus> its a bit more manual tho
[03:21] <underdog5004> doesn't synaptic cover all packages for debian?
[03:21] <_spaz> is anyone gonna help me?
[03:21] <ForgeAus> but I can add slackware packages to it! lol (warning: this is not recommended)
[03:22] <premier_> does anyone here know about kbluetoothd?  I thinks its running, but I dont have the icon in my system tray
[03:22] <ForgeAus> (if your an advanced user most slackware binaries are ok, its source packages where you run into trouble)
[03:22] <intelikey> underdog5004 yes and so do  apt aptitude adept deselect and kpackage
[03:22] <underdog5004> _spaz, the only thing I can think of, is this...make sure your soundcard is set to full-duplex in System Settings
[03:23] <intelikey> all are frontends to dpkg
[03:23] <underdog5004> intelikey, ah
[03:23] <josh_> is the new kubuntu actually stable
[03:23] <_spaz> mmkay
[03:23] <_spaz> laters
[03:23] <ForgeAus> (installpkg works fine if you simply copy it from a slackware (11.0 at least) ... but I suggest also copy over the additional tar binary)
[03:23] <underdog5004> intelikey, apt is a frontend for dpkg?
[03:23] <intelikey> yes
[03:23] <ForgeAus> underdog basically yeah
[03:23] <ForgeAus> so is aptitude
[03:23] <intelikey> all of them.
[03:23] <ForgeAus> synaptic :)
[03:23] <underdog5004> lol, synaptic is a frontend for a frontend?
[03:24] <underdog5004> I love learning things
[03:24] <ForgeAus> yes
[03:24] <ForgeAus> synaptic is a gui front end for dkpg (which is a console app)
[03:24] <will> Jucato: I'm not sure how to access pastebin from the command line
[03:24] <ForgeAus> actually that means its not a frontend for a frontend
[03:24] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I thought it was a f/e for apt
[03:24] <underdog5004> yeah
[03:25] <ForgeAus> hmmm I'm not sure if it uses apt-get or dpkg but I would have thought it was dpkg
[03:25] <intelikey> anyone that questions that let them sudo mv /usr/bin/dpkg /root/    and then try to use any of the "so called" package managers in *buntu
[03:25] <ForgeAus> (because it prompts you to use dpkg --configure -a when some packages don't install)
[03:25] <dwidmann> ForgeAus, it uses libapt, AFAIK
[03:26] <dwidmann> and its dependencies list agrees with me
[03:26] <ForgeAus> ok interesting then perhaps it IS a frontend for apt-get... strange... is apt-get what manages the dependancies?)
[03:26] <intelikey> no dpkg is
[03:27] <ForgeAus> ahh good to know thats at the lower level :)
[03:27] <intelikey> yep
[03:27] <will> Jucato: would it be easier, if pasted your source.list and I copied it?
[03:28] <[aegis] > Alright, I'm not getting this... I screwed up the splash screen, and it no longer displays stuff on the desktop.  The stuff is there, I can mouse over or click on icons and stuff, but I just can't see them.  Anyone knows what's up?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> um intelikey what would create a wrapper root around my boot drives root?
[03:29] <intelikey> ForgeAus ?   what you mean ?
[03:30] <ForgeAus> when I mount sdb2 on my LiveCD its (seems at least) as it should be
[03:30] <Amadeo> Anyone having trouble with regedit in wine 0.9.30?
[03:30] <ForgeAus> but when I boot up
[03:30] <ForgeAus> I get into some shell called ash, in something busybox? and the root is a different filesystem that has my real (sdb2) filesystem mounted under its /root directory
[03:30] <josh_> is oracle actually good for multimedia
[03:31] <josh_> #oracle
[03:31] <ForgeAus> something very strange going on there
[03:31] <ForgeAus> I thought oracle was a database
[03:31] <ForgeAus> (management system)
[03:31] <josh_> yeah
[03:32] <josh_> it can be for server and workstation
[03:32] <josh_> but
[03:32] <josh_> in the installation
[03:32] <josh_> you can select home desktop
[03:32] <Ash-Fox> ForgeAus, usually that happens when something really bad screwed up in the boot proccess
[03:32] <ForgeAus> Ash, I think something has
[03:32] <ForgeAus> but my grub looks fine
[03:33] <Ash-Fox> Did you install any updates recently?
[03:33] <ForgeAus> lots!
[03:33] <Ash-Fox> Such as?
[03:33] <ForgeAus> approx 80 mb worth
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I don't know all the things it said were upgradable
[03:33] <ForgeAus> I didn't actually read the list
[03:34] <intelikey> ForgeAus you are not getting to the root fs.   that's an initramfs with a busybox shell so you can diagnose and fix the error.     you probably need to do this from the live CD  "sudo mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt ;sudo chroot /mnt mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-<version> <version> "   you can check the version with ls /mnt/boot/   and look at the latest vmlinuz*
[03:34] <intelikey> translate <version>   to something approperate.
[03:34] <ForgeAus> wait wait wait too much
[03:34] <ForgeAus> one step at a time
[03:34] <ForgeAus> I'm in th e live cd and I've mounted sdb2 already
[03:35] <intelikey> mounted where ?
[03:35] <ForgeAus> whats the chroot/mnt mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img thingy about?
[03:35] <ForgeAus> (/media/sdb2
[03:35] <intelikey> mounted where ?
[03:35] <intelikey> k
[03:35] <ForgeAus> it looks fine
[03:35] <ForgeAus> um there is one thing tho
[03:35] <intelikey> ls /media/sdb2/boot
[03:36] <ForgeAus> yes
[03:36] <ForgeAus> and grub
[03:36] <ForgeAus> grub seems to work
[03:36] <intelikey> what is the name of the highest number vmlinuz file ?
[03:36] <ForgeAus> vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:36] <mshade-laptop> highest number vmlinuz file?
[03:37] <intelikey> ok.
[03:37] <ForgeAus> initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:37] <ForgeAus> matches
[03:37] <intelikey> sudo chroot /media/sdb2 mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic 2.6.17-10-generic
[03:37] <intelikey> issue that command ^
[03:38] <ForgeAus> ok done
[03:38] <intelikey> finished without error ?
[03:38] <jaysims> After I install from the live CD, what is the default password for su?
[03:38] <ForgeAus> yup
[03:38] <ForgeAus> didn't seem to do anything
[03:38] <ForgeAus> except access my hdd...
[03:38] <surgy> i get this error when installing savage: /home/surgy/.setup19328: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:38] <Minataku> jaysims: You can't su to root
[03:39] <intelikey> ForgeAus ls -l /media/sdb2/boot/init*      check the size and date.
[03:39] <Yourname> Hi, I got D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. C1, on a freshly installed Kubuntu Edgy. Wireless Assistant 0.5.5 seems to have it under wlan0, and it's able to scan networks without me doing any extra work.. but it's not connecting. Is there anything I need to do? I'm connecting to a no-security AP.
[03:39] <surgy> hi minataku :)
[03:39] <Minataku> Hi, surgy :3
[03:39] <ForgeAus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5718519 2007-01-30 13:38 /media/sdb2/boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:39] <Minataku> Yourname: First of all, SECURE YOUR ACCESS POINT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
[03:40] <intelikey> should work
[03:40] <slyfox> Does cifs depand on smbfs? It looks like I could not mount samba partitions via cifs untill I installed smbfs ???
[03:40] <surgy> intelikey: any ideas on my error?
[03:40] <jaysims> OK.  I'm trying to install firefox and in the help is says to su.  I do that in a Konsole and it asks for a password.  What do I put?
[03:40] <cybersiena> ...
[03:40] <ForgeAus> weird that it doesn't then
[03:40] <surgy> jaysims: your sudo pw
[03:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus check the /media/sdb2/boot/grub/menu.lst   make sure the root= for that version kernel is correct    if so  try to boot.
[03:41] <Yourname> *sigh* I should've added that at this point, I want to get it working without security.
[03:41] <Yourname> Can you please help, Minataku?
[03:41] <Yourname> :)
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: why dont you just "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: that installs it for you
[03:41] <jaysims> I did that.  It won't let me execute the command "mv firefox /usr/local"  Do I not have write permissions to this folder?
[03:41] <Minataku> Yourname: Personally, I'd rather not until you have it secured properly
[03:41] <Minataku> Having an unsecured access point is very dangerous
[03:41] <ForgeAus> yup matches
[03:41] <surgy> jaysims: if you are sudo you should
[03:42] <jaysims> ahhhh.  I'll try that instead.  Thank you, surgy.
[03:42] <intelikey> ForgeAus try it.
[03:42] <surgy> jaysims: np
[03:42] <ForgeAus> ok... prolly cusoon
[03:42] <Yourname> Minataku, I'm not a newb, lol. Come on.
[03:42] <ForgeAus> I don't think we changed anything so I don't expect this to work
[03:42] <Minataku> Yourname: Then why, may I ask, do you WANT an unsecured AP?
[03:42] <surgy> minataku: he must want to share it with his hood
[03:43] <Minataku> Try running wlassistant from a console
[03:43] <intelikey> surgy install libgtk2.0-dev  ?
[03:43] <Minataku> And see why it's failing
[03:43] <surgy> intelikey: ill try it maybe it was a typo last time but it didnt show im my repos last time
[03:43] <Minataku> I use wlassistant when I'm away from home and it dumps a lot of somewhat useful info to stderr
[03:43] <Yourname> Because my router with 3rd party firmware supports WPA2, but my roomie's laptop supports WEP, and maybe WPA. I'd rather get WPA2. But then again, I don't care about his security. And my roomie is gonna leave soon, so till then.
[03:43] <Yourname> Ok, lemme try.
[03:43] <intelikey> !libgtk2.0-dev
[03:43] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-dev: Development files for the GTK+ library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.10.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 2511 kB, installed size 9096 kB
[03:44] <Yourname> PS: I don't know how to run it from console without bringin up the GUI.
[03:44] <intelikey> surgy it's in main.
[03:44] <surgy> intelikey yeah it found it it must have been a typo last time :)
[03:44] <Minataku> As for why, it usually traces down to the network setup in /etc not being correct, for instance dhcp or iwconfig is not enabled
[03:44] <intelikey> k
[03:44] <intelikey> back in a bit.
[03:45] <Minataku> That's how it happened with me, I even have notes to myself on how to set my Gentoo install to connect to any network
[03:45] <Minataku> Since my static settings don't work if I'm at home
[03:45] <Minataku> *not at home
[03:45] <Minataku> As for how to fix it on a Kubuntu system, I have no idea, sorry
[03:45] <surgy> intelikey: ok now its giving me this warning...... Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library
[03:46] <surgy> intelikey: but its installing
[03:46] <Minataku> Yourname: Sorry also to harass you, it's just the thought of WANTING an unsecured WAP kinda makes my head hurt XD
[03:46] <Yourname> lol it's ok
[03:47] <Minataku> Mine is totally closed up
[03:47] <Minataku> SSID Broadcast off, 64bit (I know) WEP key AND... the granddaddy of them all... MAC filtering
[03:47] <Yourname> Trust me, I'd totally close it up if a) my internet wasn't a bitch b) my roomies laptops weren't from frikkin China in chinese language (hard to add WPA2 support)
[03:48] <Yourname> haha
[03:48] <Yourname> 128 bit! WPA2, with RADIUS!
[03:49] <Minataku> lol
[03:49] <Minataku> The encryption is useless at any rate
[03:49] <Minataku> Just do all sensitive affairs via SSL
[03:49] <Minataku> Now THAT encryption is what keeps you safe
[03:50] <Minataku> As for router-based encryption, you can turn it off entirely as long as you use the real security features
[03:50] <surgy> savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[03:50] <surgy> i have redownloaded like ten times
[03:51] <Yourname> So, Minataku, how do I do this?
[03:51] <Yourname> Yup.
[03:52] <amd64> hello
[03:52] <amd64> hola
[03:52] <Minataku> Yourname: Unfortunately, I don't know how Kubuntu manages things, so I really can't give you an answer >.<
[03:52] <Bxnp> guys i have a strange problem with kubuntu
[03:52] <Minataku> Sorry >.<
[03:52] <Minataku> Bxnp: I'll be the judge of that
[03:53] <Minataku> XD
[03:53] <Bxnp> lol
[03:53] <Bxnp> oke well i need a bit of help with this
[03:53] <amd64> sp
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <amd64> es
[03:53] <Minataku> !es | amd64
[03:53] <ubotu> amd64: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:53] <amd64> gracias
[03:53] <Bxnp> somethimes and this happends for me at random my load goes up and up and up without stopping
[03:53] <amd64> tanks
[03:53] <Bxnp> however if i look at the proces i cant see what is causing this
[03:53] <Bxnp> i have made a screenshot
[03:53] <Minataku> No problemas
[03:54] <Minataku> Or something, I forgot all my Spanish
[03:54] <Minataku> lol
[03:54] <Bxnp> Minataku: at www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir9.png
[03:54] <Minataku> Bxnp: That's not so strange...
[03:54] <Minataku> Lemme have a looksee
[03:54] <Bxnp> that is the output off top
[03:54] <Minataku> Woah
[03:54] <Minataku> That's some load average
[03:55] <Minataku> Maybe this IS pretty strange after all
[03:55] <Minataku> How long does the spike last?
[03:55] <DrunkPikachu> gah, does anyone happen to know of any guides which help you create a live CD from practically nothing (not on top of a gutted install)? (the only useable thing should be bash, maybe vi. I talking real bleached barebones linux here).
[03:55] <Bxnp> it last for ever and it goes up and up
[03:55] <Minataku> Does it actually slow everything down?
[03:56] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Linux From Scratch, perhaps?
[03:56] <Bxnp> ehm yes and no
[03:56] <Minataku> Though if it needs to be TOTTALLY bare
[03:56] <Bxnp> somethimes i cant reboot
[03:56] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I was under the impression it already came with some useability, yea
[03:56] <Minataku> Just get a floppy-based rescue disk
[03:56] <Bxnp> cause then its holding at deconfiguring networking
[03:56] <Minataku> And strip what's not needed
[03:57] <Bxnp> and besides that my network stops at that point when the loads go up and up
[03:57] <Minataku> I'm partial to the unfortunately no-longer-maintained HAL91
[03:57] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: therein lies another question, what if I don't know what's trash and what's needed?
[03:57] <Bxnp> Minataku: but i can start program;s
[03:57] <Bxnp> but if you look at the output off top
[03:57] <Bxnp> you see that there is no cpu usage
[03:57] <Bxnp> so how can i find the problem
[03:57] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Well, there are kits to make custom Linux floppies
[03:58] <Minataku> Bxnp: That is bizarre
[03:58] <Minataku> It might be network related...
[03:58] <Minataku> Bxnp: Perhaps you're getting attacked?
[03:58] <Bxnp> no that is not possible
[03:58] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Bleh, if I wanted kits I would've used rBuild. There's nothing that'll teach how to work starting only from a kernel tar?
[03:58] <Minataku> Never say something isn't possible
[03:59] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Linux From Scratch
[03:59] <Bxnp> i had this at random before i got to the internet with this box
[03:59] <Bxnp> well i had a network but that network was not connected to the internet
[03:59] <Minataku> Bxnp: Well crap
[03:59] <Minataku> Next time it happens, dump dmesg to a file
[03:59] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: OTher people have already expressed distaste for it because it's color by numbers for a working build that has more functionality than I would want(afaik).
[03:59] <Minataku> Reconnect, and pastebin it
[04:00] <Bxnp> kee
[04:00] <Bxnp> i will
[04:00] <Minataku> Bxnp: I say that because it's easier than having you pastebin your whole /var/log/messages or having you search through it
[04:00] <Minataku> I may not be here when it happens but other people will more than likely be around to help
[04:01] <Minataku> It could also happen that this doesn't help period because nothing shows up in dmesg, in which case I'm stumped anyway XD
[04:01] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Why do you want a system with nothing more than the absolute bare minimum?
[04:02] <Minataku> If all you have is a kernel, init and a shell, you're hardly in posession of a working system
[04:02] <Minataku> What are you going to do, launch more shells until the system complains?
[04:03] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Because my Operating Systems Professor is a sadist who wants us to magically find out how to create a distro from scratch. I've found plenty of guides on how to make a live CD based on currently installed distros (although I seriously do not want to use parition magic just to intall 2+ distros) but his instructions pretty much ask for something that loads into bash, nothing more
[04:04] <ForgeAus> back
[04:04] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Ah. It all makes perfect sense now.
[04:05] <ForgeAus> intelikey, if ur still around, it didn't work
[04:05] <Minataku> Just rip sh?t from various places
[04:05] <ForgeAus> still got an ash prompt
[04:05] <Minataku> That's what I'd do
[04:05] <Minataku> lol
[04:05] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: That's what I was thinking,  but I don't know where to start, or at least what I should gut
[04:05] <Minataku> j/k
[04:05] <Minataku> Heh
[04:05] <Minataku> Well, I don't know of any guides
[04:05] <surgy> man
[04:05] <Minataku> I'd think you could maybe use the LFS guide and just skip anything else
[04:05] <surgy> i cant seem to get this game to work
[04:06] <Minataku> What you definitely need though is GRUB, the kernel, init and it's configuration files, and bash
[04:07] <jjesse> anyone able to help me troubleshoot a vmware server problem?
[04:07] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: That's another thing, I'm either blind or stupid, but I cannot seem to find actual guides in the lfs website
[04:07] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: TBH... I've never been there
[04:07] <Bxnp> maybe its ndiswrapper related Minataku, i use the net8180 driver to get wpa support
[04:07] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: and the live cd is a premade ISO as far as I can tell
[04:07] <Bxnp> i have this problem since i use this
[04:07] <Minataku> Bxnp: Could bery well be
[04:07] <Minataku> *very
[04:08] <surgy> Bxnp: mind throwing me a bone?
[04:08] <surgy> savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[04:08] <ForgeAus> jjesse not sure I can help you you can ask
[04:08] <Bxnp> what does that expression mean
[04:08] <jjesse> i've run /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl twice and still when i type vmware i get that it has not been configured
[04:08] <ForgeAus> I really like vmware server... :)
[04:08] <surgy> bxnp: giving me some help in something you think is easy
[04:08] <DrunkPikachu> Bxnp: to throw a bone is to help that person out in some fashion
[04:08] <Minataku> Bxnp: I couldn't tell, your English is excellent
[04:08] <DrunkPikachu> blah
[04:09] <DrunkPikachu> damn you surgy
[04:09] <ForgeAus> jjesse? thats strange
[04:09] <surgy> minataku: he speaks dutsch
[04:09] <Minataku> As for the expression, it means to give someone a clue or a point to start from
[04:09] <Bxnp> thanks guys
[04:09] <Bxnp> shoot surgy
[04:09] <Bxnp> dutch
[04:09] <Minataku> surgy: Ah
[04:09] <ForgeAus> um maybe it means as in package configure?...
[04:09] <jjesse> ForgeAus: it's very frustrating, each time i get done it says thigs are done correctly
[04:09] <ForgeAus> rather than vmware-config
[04:09] <Bxnp> yeah amsterdam party city :)
[04:09] <Minataku> Unfortunately I'm not much of a help tonight, sorry XD
[04:09] <ForgeAus> normally if you use vmware config it should run after that
[04:09] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: would it be advisable to get a rescue disk distro and gut it even further?
[04:10] <ForgeAus> perhaps try reinstalling?
[04:10] <surgy> bxnp: can you help me?
[04:10] <Bxnp> tell me your problem
[04:10] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: hopefully without breaking it
[04:10] <ForgeAus> how did you install it? from the .tar.gz?
[04:10] <surgy> bxnp: savage installs with one warning but completes the installation. and then i click "start game" it initializes and then closes, this is what was spat out in the terminal: http://www.pastebin.ca/332571
[04:10] <jjesse> downloaded the tar.gz and then ran vmware-install.pl
[04:10] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Sure, but you'll need to keep the busybox binary if it has one
[04:10] <ForgeAus> yup thats how I did it
[04:10] <ForgeAus> worked for me
[04:10] <Bxnp> let me look at it
[04:10] <Minataku> Since that's what provides the shell
[04:10] <ForgeAus> I don't get why its not working for you tho
[04:11] <Minataku> As for breaking it, use QEMU
[04:11] <Minataku> And make a copy of the floppy image
[04:11] <Bxnp> btw i noticed yesterday that you have some thing wich you have to change cause you get strange error message in the konsole when you started ksnapshot
[04:11] <Minataku> That way if you break it you just start over
[04:11] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[04:11] <surgy> bxnp: i did a fresh install about 5 hours ago
[04:11] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: another question (possibly stupid), Are the distros hard coded to work only on a floppy or would it not care to be put onto a cd-rw
[04:12] <Bxnp> dont reinstall surgy just fix your problems
[04:12] <Bxnp> reinstall is a waste of time, or you have to be an installer junky :)
[04:12] <Bxnp> anyway
[04:12] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I don't think it's possible to hardcode them
[04:12] <surgy> bxnp: i couldnt do anything to get help, my restart switch wasnt rebooting, my cdrom wasnt ejecting and i couldnt sign in as any user
[04:12] <Minataku> It might be a challenge getting it to work, though
[04:12] <Bxnp> ehm
[04:12] <jjesse> where should the location of the directory of C header files be?  i have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/generic/nclude
[04:13] <Bxnp> listen do this for me
[04:13] <Minataku> Since CD booting is entirely different (actually, it isn't, but that's another story)
[04:13] <surgy> bxnp: pm me please
[04:13] <Minataku> El Torito, the standard for bootable CDs basically uses a bootable floppy disk image
[04:13] <Minataku> Typically this will be loaded with GRUB to bootstrap something more featureful
[04:14] <Minataku> But in this case you'd be fine to just make the hacked floppy image the El Torito boot image
[04:15] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: BTW: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES ARISING AS A RESULT OF UTILIZING MY ADVICE
[04:15] <Minataku> That is, if he finds out you cheated, don't come crying to me
[04:15] <Minataku> This is your warning and my disclaimer
[04:15] <Minataku> lol
[04:16] <ForgeAus> jjesse I just pressed enter through most of that
[04:16] <ForgeAus> went with the defaults
[04:16] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: And here I was already writing up legal documents to ensure you would be sued into the ground ;)
[04:16] <jjesse> ForgeAus: i probablly messed this up
[04:16] <ForgeAus> maybe
[04:16] <Minataku> lol
[04:17] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Too bad now
[04:17] <Minataku> XD
[04:17] <Yourname> Hi, I got D-Link DWL-G122 Rev. C1, on a freshly installed Kubuntu Edgy. Wireless Assistant 0.5.5 seems to have it under wlan0, and it's able to scan networks without me doing any extra work.. but it's not connecting. Is there anything I need to do? I'm connecting to a no-security AP.
[04:17] <Minataku> But seriously, you might get in trouble for doing it this way
[04:17] <Minataku> In fact, you probably will
[04:17] <ForgeAus> Yourname? perhaps you need to give it an SSID or something somewhere along the line?
[04:17] <Minataku> Personally, I'd search more for how to really do it
[04:17] <Yourname> ForgeAus: It scanned, and it got the AP I want, and I tried to connect, and it doesn't.
[04:18] <ForgeAus> I'm not certain how kubuntu Edgy's wireless software works but theres two things to try 1 is try changing channels (sometimes things work on one but not on another)
[04:18] <drbeams> how do i find out who httpd user is ?
[04:18] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: the more I search the more I'm thinking this is going to be a complete impossibility considering I don't know enough about how the system files are set up. $10 says only one other person might actually get this assignment done (his job requires him to work in linux).
[04:18] <ForgeAus> another is SSID's... find where it asks you for the security Identifier
[04:18] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: In that case, don't do it
[04:18] <Minataku> Or ask him
[04:18] <Minataku> lol
[04:19] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: But seriously, I wouldn't cheat
[04:19] <ForgeAus> (the one you should have set in your wireless access point device)
[04:19] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: BTW, you were joking about the suing, right? ( Sorry, I have an OCD and can't handle jokes like that very well >.< (
[04:19] <Yourname> ForgeAus: It scanned, and it got the AP I want, and I tried to connect, and it doesn't.
[04:20] <ForgeAus> Yourname, like I said 2 possible reasons for that
[04:20] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: problem #2930: The younger the professor in question is, the more likely he/she is to have a heavy accent and give explantions which are far beyond what any undergrad could ever hope to understand.
[04:20] <will> jucato: you still around?
[04:20] <ForgeAus> one the channel (in which case normally it wouldn't detect)...
[04:20] <ForgeAus> and 2 the SSID missing... so it found it but doesn't have permission to use it
[04:20] <masterloki> Hi there can someone help with my wireless on an Acer Aspire 5002?
[04:20] <Yourname> Hmm, ok.
[04:20] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku:about the suing...... maybe ;)                         j/k, sleep well
[04:20] <Minataku> lol
[04:20] <ForgeAus> but then I'm no linux expert so I'm not certain if theres anything else you need to know/do to get it working
[04:21] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Yeah, ask around to classmates and such
[04:21] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: As if that'll help. more than 1/2 of the cheat their way through all their classes
[04:21] <Minataku> Heh
[04:21] <Minataku> And here I am trying to enable more ;3
[04:21] <Minataku> XD
[04:22] <ForgeAus> hmm my kubuntu needs fixing
[04:22] <ForgeAus> won't start up
[04:22] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I'm talking straight up copying from the internet (With copyrights still attached) and then they pass it around their group of 10-15 people
[04:22] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Yipe
[04:22] <Minataku> Mine at least involved some work
[04:22] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku:Even after they get caught, the CS dept. is in such dire need of students they won't kick anyone out
[04:23] <jarn> How do I use the gfxboot package?
[04:23] <premier_> how can I get kde to display xscreensaver as my default screen saver?  Like, when I dilerberately lock the screen and stuff?
[04:24] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ << You found this?
[04:25] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I see
[04:25] <Minataku> It's not FROM as in USING an existing distro
[04:25] <Minataku> It's using an existing distro to build a new one from scratch
[04:25] <Minataku> You need a host to build things, you can't start from nothing at all
[04:26] <will> can someone help me backup some stuff from the command line
[04:26] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: I'll agree, the wording is kind of confusing
[04:26] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: What part of the site linked to that, all I found were links pointing to themselves
[04:27] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: nvm, I'm a complete idiot
[04:27] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Heehee
[04:27] <Minataku> You're desparate
[04:27] <DrunkPikachu> very
[04:27] <will> I've got a blank external drive that is currenly formated ntfs, but if that is problematic I can change
[04:27] <Minataku> I can understand
[04:27] <Minataku> lol
[04:27] <Minataku> That should give you all the info you need
[04:28] <will> anyone free to help a newbie in need
[04:28] <Minataku> In short you'll be building really very little, it'll be working in the sense that it boots to something that looks like it would work
[04:29] <Lam_> what's the best system monitor widget for superkaramba?
[04:30] <Minataku> You probably have things like GCC already
[04:30] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: screw it, I'm going to tackle that guide later, when I have the patience to repartition my HD and pray that I don't !@#$! HD's boot sector. I've already had to reinstall Windows XP twice in the last month because of MUP.SYS errors.
[04:30] <Yourname> When I do, ifdown wlan0, it says interface not configured.. what do I do?
[04:30] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Get a cheap USB key
[04:30] <Minataku> Then use that as the LFS root
[04:30] <will> anyone want to help me copy my home folder to an external ntfs drive using the command prompt?
[04:30] <DrunkPikachu> Will that work? Doesn't matter that it's fat32?
[04:30] <Minataku> For the "working" system it won't need a huge amount of space
[04:31] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: You'll need to wipe the key
[04:31] <Minataku> Which is why I suggested getting a "cheap as you can find" one
[04:31] <ForgeAus> mup.sys? whats that file?
[04:31] <DrunkPikachu> I didn't know it could be completely wiped of it's filesystem, but then again, I've never tried
[04:31] <ForgeAus> doesn't ring any bells
[04:31] <Minataku> 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, whichever's smallest or cheapest
[04:32] <ForgeAus> 128 or 512 are the ones I'd recommend
[04:32] <DrunkPikachu> forgeAus, ussually when you get a mup.sys error, it means that about 1/2 of your windows dll files are missing or corrupted. There is no definate fix, although sometimes you can run a windows repair
[04:32] <Bxnp> will: could you not format your external disk as fat 32
[04:32] <ForgeAus> hehe i'm used to the repair...
[04:32] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Now you don't have to cheat and get in trouble, and I don't have to get sued by you :D
[04:32] <ForgeAus> but I don't remember ever having an mup.sys error
[04:32] <DrunkPikachu> mup.sys is just the first missing file the bootup detects
[04:32] <ForgeAus> I do have a broken XP ab the moment tho
[04:32] <Minataku> XD
[04:32] <Bxnp> cause write support under linux to ntfs is still  a bit experimental
[04:32] <ForgeAus> somehow half of the NTFS partition decided to hide itself
[04:33] <will> Bxnp: sure.  however, while I was waiting for a reply I was able to access the drive.  it's blank, so it's hard to tell how well it;s working
[04:33] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: If you could, tell me straight out that you were kidding about suing me... (Sorry, I know, my OCD is annoying... try living with it like I do XD )
[04:33] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus, computers, both the bane and quite possibly the only meaning in our lives
[04:33] <ForgeAus> but then I was running vmware and doing lotsa crazy stuff in it
[04:33] <Bxnp> how id the drive mouted will
[04:33] <ForgeAus> lol Drunk
[04:33] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu is broken too at the moment :(
[04:33] <ForgeAus> live CD works
[04:33] <jmichaelx> * has endless empathy for OCDers
[04:33] <will> Bxnp: should I quickly try to copy my home directory to that drive or switch to fat first
[04:33] <ForgeAus> filesystems there
[04:33] <ForgeAus> just no boot
[04:34] <Minataku> jmichaelx: Thanks
[04:34] <will> doesn't make a big difference to me
[04:34] <Bxnp> switch to fat 32 first
[04:34] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I may be american, but suing isn't in my blood.
[04:34] <ForgeAus> ocders? obsessive compulsive disorederers?
[04:34] <Bxnp> do you know how to do that
[04:34] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:34] <Minataku> Thanks, DrunkPikachu
[04:34] <will> bXnp: k.  it mounted at /media/sda5   btw
[04:34] <Bxnp> kee now format it as fat 32
[04:34] <Bxnp> or ext2 3 reiser whatever you want
[04:35] <ForgeAus> um maybe if I can somehow reinstall ubuntu-minimal from the live CD?
[04:35] <Bxnp> fat 32 if you want windows to read it
[04:35] <ForgeAus> is that possible?
[04:35] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Either way now, you don't need to cheat anyway
[04:35] <will> Bxnp: is there a command to safely eject the drive?
[04:35] <Minataku> And you can be confident that you're better than the guys who did :D
[04:35] <ForgeAus> or just copy the files I need? but how do I find which ones?
[04:35] <Bxnp> umount /dev/sdablablba
[04:35] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I still doubt anyone else is going to turn in anything. Although I bet a couple might just turn in a burned DSL
[04:35] <ForgeAus> yes ext3 and fat32 are the two filesystems I'd recommend too...
[04:35] <Minataku> lol
[04:35] <ForgeAus> they're the most compatible it seems
[04:36] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Well, show them all up and do it for real
[04:36] <Minataku> :D
[04:36] <will> bXnp: unmount command not found
[04:36] <Minataku> umount
[04:36] <Bxnp> umount
[04:36] <Minataku> Not umount
[04:36] <Bxnp> sorry typo
[04:36] <Minataku> Er
[04:36] <Bxnp> lol
[04:36] <Minataku> Typo here too XD
[04:37] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Yea, reading through that guide between my opengl, digital image processing, and physics homework I'm either going to kill myself or will be leaking coffee for the next few weeks.
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Mmmm... leaked coffee
[04:37] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: I'm talking about the leaking that makes your ring sore.
[04:37] <Bxnp> do you now how to format the file system will
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: You seem pretty smart to me, it shouldn't be too hard
[04:37] <Minataku> DrunkPikachu: Ew
[04:37] <Minataku> lol
[04:39] <Bxnp> will: talk to me ?? otherwise i cant help you
[04:39] <Bxnp> need feedback
[04:43] <Minataku> Morbo!
[04:44] <DrunkPikachu> PUNY HUMANS
[04:45] <Blowfish> hey guys i need a hand here... i'm trying to install kubuntu herd2 on my computor. However, it doesn't want to use my cd-rive and any attempt to do so results in a kernel panic, so Ithrew it all on to a USB-tick and it boots fine. however it obviosly can't copy any files since I cant pu my CDin. It would, however, work if icould mount my usb-stick but for some reason I ca't i've tried
[04:45] <Blowfish> all devices posible without luck
[04:45] <will> bnxp: sorry, I was off trying to format fat32
[04:45] <Blowfish> it can't even refuses to mount any hdx devices
[04:45] <Blowfish> actually they don't even show up
[04:45] <Minataku> lol
[04:46] <Minataku> Kubuntu + GNU/Hurd?
[04:46] <will> bnxp: I plugged the drive into a windows machine (hisss) and tried to format fat32.  looks like those bastards took that option off the list.
[04:46] <Blowfish> fiesty obviously :p
[04:47] <will> bnxp: I'm sure you can tell me how to do it on my linux box, but first one concern.  fat32 only supports files up to 4gb and windows xp only supports fat32 partitions up to 60g
[04:48] <DrunkPikachu> Go find Bill Gates and demand he reformat your USB drive using only his mind.
[04:48] <will> bnxp: I know a journalized filesystem is superior, but I would like this external drive to be accessible from both windows and linux
[04:49] <Blowfish> no one can help?
[04:49] <jmichaelx> i want to run Gnu/hurd on one of my machines...
[04:49] <jmichaelx> **goes looking for a gnu/hurd distro
[04:49] <surgy> blowfish: have you tried mounting it through system settings disks and filesystems?
[04:50] <Blowfish> surgy: Yes
[04:51] <Blowfish> and I can't understand why there is no hdx devices
[04:51] <DrunkPikachu> Blowfish: Have you tried listening to linkin park and then cutting yourself? Sure, it won't mount your usb key, but hey, it's not like anything else worked.
[04:52] <DrunkPikachu> This one was from when I tried to install beryl on my laptop
[04:56] <ceefour_> is there an ext3 driver for windows?
[04:56] <ceefour_> I'd like to store m ydata using ext3 but dual boot with windows and still access them
[04:57] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: check this site out: http://www.fs-driver.org/index.html
[04:57] <DrunkPikachu> there is an faq about accessing ext3 as well
[04:58] <Minataku> Set up Windows with FAT32
[04:58] <Minataku> Since NTFS write access isn't safe on Windows, let alone Linux
[04:59] <ForgeAus> trying a reboot
[04:59] <DrunkPikachu> Minataku: Something was safe in windows? Not even cygwin running openssh is comepletely safe :P
[05:00] <ForgeAus> rofl Min
[05:00] <ForgeAus> rofl Drunk
[05:00] <Minataku> rofl
[05:00] <ForgeAus> I like ext3 for WinXP using the ext3ifs driver from fs-driver.org
[05:00] <iidadmin> is there any substitute for scribus for desktop publishing????
[05:01] <ForgeAus> it even read my mounted VMware partition automagically
[05:01] <ForgeAus> I was really impressed by that one
[05:01] <ForgeAus> iidadmin... lots
[05:01] <iidadmin> can anybody answer my question
[05:02] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure of the best ones (or what free ones exist tho)
[05:02] <iidadmin> forgeAus:What do you meaqn
[05:02] <ForgeAus> theres MANY DTP apps around
[05:02] <DrunkPikachu> openoffice?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> you can do most DTP stuff in wordprocessors these days
[05:02] <ForgeAus> for a more DTP based proggy you might wanna think about something like Kile
[05:02] <DrunkPikachu> You're a pansy unless you use vi and only vi.
[05:02] <|Daisuke_Ido|> Scribus?
[05:03] <iidadmin> :(
[05:03] <ForgeAus> uses (LaTeX) typesetting
[05:03] <iidadmin> yes
[05:03] <ceefour_> ForgeAus: really?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> rofl DP vi for DTP? I don't think so somehow
[05:03] <DrunkPikachu> I use LateX for work, awesome stuff.
[05:03] <iidadmin> is there any substitute or look like that i can use in linux desktop publishing
[05:03] <ceefour_> Minataku: FAT32 messes up filenames, uppercases and stuff. Let alone permissions
[05:03] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ForgeAus: unless, of course, you're a major masochist.
[05:03] <ForgeAus> iidadmin like I said MANY of them
[05:03] <|Daisuke_Ido|> iidadmin: look-alike for what?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> lol I'm a massochist I guess but thats going way beyond my torture limits
[05:04] <Minataku> ceefour_: NTFS messes up families, lives and everything else
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> oh
[05:04] <ceefour_> Minataku: I do agree that NTFS in Linux has many problems. On unclean partition ntfs-3g refuses to mount. I had to go to WinXP to fix it :-(
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i just read that
[05:04] <iidadmin> Can you gisve some application that i can use
[05:04] <|Daisuke_Ido|> where's the problem with scribus?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> I'm just trying to think there was a good kde DTP app
[05:04] <ForgeAus> really good one
[05:04] <ForgeAus> can't remember the name tho
[05:04] <iidadmin> actually there is no problem but i wanted to try something different
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ah
[05:05] <ceefour_> iidadmin: I'd suggest CrossOver Office then your favorite DTP app on it
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> quark
[05:05] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah thats an idea go for winapps
[05:05] <ForgeAus> quark is for macintosh right?
[05:05] <|Daisuke_Ido|> and windows
[05:05] <surgy> how do i kill a running program from the command line?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> so you'd need macosx86 or something
[05:05] <ForgeAus> ps -a
[05:05] <ForgeAus> then man kill with the PID
[05:06] <ForgeAus> (grr kill with the pid but first man kill to understand it)
[05:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i used quark 6 until i switched, now i use scribus
[05:06] <surgy> how do i tell its pid?
[05:06] <ForgeAus> ps -a should give it to you
[05:06] <|Daisuke_Ido|> surgy: ps -a will ... what he said
[05:06] <ForgeAus> either that or run ksysguard  as root
[05:07] <surgy> no ps -a doesnt
[05:07] <ForgeAus> (ie kdesu ksysguard) and kill it from the process manager in that
[05:07] <surgy>  PID TTY          TIME CMD
[05:07] <surgy> 20662 pts/3    00:00:00 ps
[05:07] <ForgeAus> is that all?
[05:07] <surgy> yes
[05:07] <ForgeAus> hmmm strange...
[05:07] <ForgeAus> generally theres a list of them
[05:07] <surgy> i want to kill idle and soya
[05:08] <ForgeAus> you identify the one you want and kill the PID
[05:08] <surgy> becuase idle wont kill soya
[05:08] <ForgeAus> sorry surgy if its not in the list I don't think I can help you much
[05:08] <surgy> ok np
[05:08] <ForgeAus> maybe X has some addons stores its list somewhere else?
[05:08] <surgy> looks like all this crap stays running till these downloads finish so i can restart x
[05:09] <ForgeAus> your not in X?
[05:09] <surgy> forgeaus: i think its either a python bug an idle bug or a soya bug
[05:09] <iidadmin> Thanks for the idea
[05:09] <surgy> i am in x
[05:09] <ceefour> ForgeAus: seriously I'm using Quicken 2005 :-)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Quicken hmmm I wouldn't know anythign about that
[05:10] <ceefour> ForgeAus: will migrate to GnuCash soon... though... although Quicken 2005 has no problems yet running on Kubuntu...... with Beryl :-)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> thats business stuff
[05:10] <ForgeAus> not my thang
[05:10] <ForgeAus> I'm going to move to beryl... eventually!
[05:10] <ForgeAus> gotta get my Kubuntu fixed first.. I think I managed to do some stuff
[05:10] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I think since our life's problems are more overlapped it's good to know other facets of life
[05:10] <|Daisuke_Ido|> i fail to see how business + beryl = good, but that's just me
[05:10] <surgy> forgeaus: whats the problem......
[05:10] <ForgeAus> it bothers me that when I mount my root partition its got an empty /sys tho
[05:11] <ForgeAus> surgy.. no boot!
[05:11] <ForgeAus> grub works
[05:11] <surgy> oh from the usb thing
[05:11] <ForgeAus> and I get a busybox (ash) prompt
[05:11] <ForgeAus> no no usb thing
[05:11] <Bxnp> surgy:  how long are you using linux
[05:11] <ceefour> |Daisuke_Ido|: It's just that crossover + quicken takes some memory. Beryl isn't really that stable yet but the fact I can run Quicken 2005 successfully with Beryl running is really something
[05:11] <surgy> bxnp three weeks
[05:11] <ForgeAus> beryl seems complicated
[05:11] <Bxnp> did you do some tutorials about the command line
[05:11] <|Daisuke_Ido|> ceefour: this is true
[05:12] <ceefour> "It provides Windows NT4.0/2000/XP/2003 with full access to Linux Ext2 volumes (read access and write access). This may be useful if you have installed both Windows and Linux as a dual boot environment on your computer." <-- VERY YUMY!!!
[05:12] <ceefour> WAIT
[05:12] <ceefour> Ext2 ??
[05:12] <ForgeAus> but I must admit the eyecandy of having your VD's on a cube is hard to resist!
[05:12] <Dr_willis> Test out that Metis Mandriva Live cd - it has some neat features for the eye-candy addict. :) some are even usefull!
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ceefour
[05:12] <surgy> forgeaus: beryl is only complicated if you make it, but it is a resource hog
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ext3 as well
[05:12] <ForgeAus> it just doesn't SAY it explicitly
[05:12] <ceefour> ForgeAus: is there some problems?
[05:12] <ForgeAus> (just be careful to UNMOUNT it)
[05:12] <Dr_willis> ext3 is bacnwards compatiable with ext2
[05:12] <ForgeAus> no I didn't have any
[05:12] <ForgeAus> ext3 SHOULD work
[05:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> it didn't for me
[05:12] <Dr_willis> I use that IFS thing for windows all the time to access my linux drives
[05:12] <ceefour> ForgeAus: If there is, I guess I don't really mind. I'll just use it for my /home folder. Formatting that as ext2 won't be a problem
[05:12] <|Daisuke_Ido|> that driver made me cry
[05:13] <ForgeAus> ceefour, just use EXT3
[05:13] <ForgeAus> I'd recommend it
[05:13] <ceefour> ForgeAus: At least ext2 is way much better than either NTFS or FAT32
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  you do NOT need to format it as ext2.. if its ext3. the 'drivers' should  access it also.
[05:13] <ForgeAus> you CAN use ext2 but I recommend ext3
[05:13] <surgy> ceefour: just format your ntfs partition to ext3 thats the best way :)
[05:13] <Dr_willis> ext3 has a backwards compatiablity mode. theres no reason to use ext2
[05:13] <ForgeAus> rofl surgy :)
[05:14] <ForgeAus> ceefour just be careful not to crash your windows.. if oyu shut down gracefully you should have NO problem as long as you don't do anything too crazy
[05:14] <ceefour> Dr_willis: ForgeAus: oh I see
[05:14] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I can't guarantee that. I crash & power lines cut off more often than not.
[05:15] <ForgeAus> hmmm.. I'd still recommend to use ext3
[05:15] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I don't mind losing the last-minute data, but I don't want a filesystem corrupt
[05:15] <ForgeAus> ceefour, its not going to damage your NTFS and you may be able to recover your ext3 anyway if something goes wrong
[05:16] <ceefour> "The Ext2 file system driver of the Ext2 IFS software will refuse mounting an Ext3 file system which contains data in its journal, just like older Linux kernels which have no Ext3 support."
[05:16] <ceefour> I think that's doable. So if my ext3 is unclean then Windows won't be able to mount it, right?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> do you have journal data?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> unclean?
[05:16] <ceefour> I think that's almost the same as  unclean NTFS that is unmountable by linux.
[05:16] <ForgeAus> um... it should mount it
[05:17] <ForgeAus> it mounted my VMware kubuntu partition no hassle
[05:17] <ForgeAus> I have no idea what that means by unclean exactly but I think you should have no problem
[05:17] <ceefour> Ahh this is great news!
[05:18] <ceefour> I've been thinking about this dual-boot partition for a long time/
[05:18] <ForgeAus> ceefour and that was stored in a VMDK file!
[05:18] <ceefour> I currently use FAT32.
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (wasn't even an actual partition!)
[05:18] <ForgeAus> just a virtual one
[05:18] <DrunkPikachu> surgy: beryl becomes complicated when you spend 4+ hours trying to figure out why it isn't working only to find that that your specific video card's drivers mess beryl up completely. There were 'fixes' that took long to implement and only ended in failure.
[05:18] <ceefour> ForgeAus: ext2fs driver mounts a vmdk?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> yes it can
[05:19] <ForgeAus> if you mount your vmdk with vmwares mount command it can mount an EXT2/3 partition on it
[05:19] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I guess so. I tried Beryl using NVIDIA GF4 MX 4000 and GF FX 5200 and they're both fine. The GF4 needs an older driver though.
[05:19] <ForgeAus> (or a gui mounting utility)
[05:19] <masterloki> I have an Acer Aspire 5002 but I cant get the wireless on
[05:19] <masterloki> can someone help me
[05:19] <ForgeAus> you have to mount the vmdk before you mount the ext2/3 part tho
[05:19] <masterloki> ?
[05:19] <surgy> drunkpikachu: which is why beryl sucks, it should have been labeled beta for another 6 months
[05:19] <ForgeAus> surgy I agree
[05:19] <ForgeAus> it should be beta
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I'm using ATI radeon
[05:20] <Dr_willis> masterloki,  you should do some googling and see what chipset that thig is using for wireless.. then check the wiki/forums for others with similer laptop
[05:20] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I should've known not to try since the beginning given I have a radeon in this sucker....
[05:20] <ForgeAus> not sure how well Beryl will go on it
[05:20] <ceefour> surgy: sometimes I'd say that Konqueror should be labeled beta. it crashes on my system sometimes. but betaing Konqueror would frighten lots of people
[05:20] <ForgeAus> still I think someone should make a beryl-lite or something
[05:20] <surgy> forgeaus: then your basicly screwed on linux, from ever getting full support, which is why ati drivers should be labled beta :)
[05:20] <masterloki> Dr_willis: I've already been googling but no answers seem to fits me
[05:20] <ForgeAus> some kinda program with less features, less complicated and just do the desktop cube :)
[05:20] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  check out that 'metis mandriva' live cd.
[05:20] <ForgeAus> rofl surgy :)
[05:21] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: please cross the bridge and welcome to the NVIDIA world my friend. It's called the world of compatibility :-)
[05:21] <surgy> ceefour: konq is the only stable thing on my system right now
[05:21] <DrunkPikachu> masterloki, if it's a broadcom wireless card, try this: blacklist the drivers that came with the distro, download the drivers from online, and install them with ndiswrapper
[05:21] <ForgeAus> metis mandriva?
[05:21] <ForgeAus> is that different from mandriva one?
[05:21] <surgy> ceefour: but thats just becuase i havnt figured out how to mess with it yet
[05:21] <Dr_willis> a live cd. :)  it has a fancyer desktop
[05:21] <masterloki> Dr_willis: Ok
[05:21] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: speaking of NVIDIA though. I recently installed WinXPSP2 on a nForce3 and IT DIDN'T DETECT THE ETHERNET!
[05:21] <Dr_willis> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03991
[05:22] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: sounds more like windows 98se to me...... Simple networking that beast was a nightmare.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  i get those kind of issues with windows all the time.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> windows aparently needs different drivers for my network cards.. that under linux all use the same module... *sigh*
[05:22] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: totally unacceptable. I don't care if all of the hardware doesn't work. I'd bear not having the mouse or I'd even glad to have just text mode. But having a running Ethernet is an absolute requirement.
[05:23] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: how the hell would I install an Ethernet driver from a network share? These guys are mad.
[05:23] <surgy> 6 minutes till reboot and i can get this catapillar out of my face!
[05:23] <ForgeAus> anyway mandriva is HUGE
[05:23] <knapp> When I plug my ipod into the usb (non-hub) it doesn't act like its connected. The LCD flashes on but no 'charging' or ipod icon on the desktop like normal.
[05:23] <ForgeAus> big download
[05:23] <ForgeAus> I don't think my connection will hold out
[05:23] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: That's why I'm glad I'm surrounded by 5 other computers/laptops. Download a driver somewhere else, then thumbdrive it.
[05:23] <surgy> forgeaus: what con do you have?
[05:23] <ceefour> Dr_willis: true. for something like an ethernet card it's pretty weird there are specific drivers
[05:23] <knapp> Is there a way to 'refresh' the usb devices?
[05:23] <ForgeAus> the even the liveCD is about 700mb+
[05:23] <DrunkPikachu> I would've given up computers long ago if I didn't have a working spare to help out.
[05:23] <knapp> detection of.. *
[05:23] <ceefour> Dr_willis: it's not like ethernets have 8X acceleration or T&L or something
[05:24] <ForgeAus> kubuntu one wasn't as big but still near that size 600+ but that was damaged slightly I think in the d/l
[05:24] <ForgeAus> I got most of it and it worked so I was happy :)
[05:24] <ForgeAus> running the LiveCD now
[05:24] <surgy> ceefour: but they do have different speeds if you get into the old ones
[05:24] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I mean, LAN cards are already invented before we're even born. Why would we need "driver" for a hardware several decades old?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> I got wireless via adsl
[05:24] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  and of course windows gives me such details on the card 'found pci networking card' - gesh.. at least with linux i can use 'lspci' and see some info on it. :)
[05:24] <surgy> forgeaus: via aids?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> (hehe I connect to a local router which connects to a bridge on a wifi-grid, that connects to my ISP who connects via ADSL to his ISP
[05:24] <ForgeAus> aids?
[05:25] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: yes that's how I managed to do so.
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (he undercuts their price)
[05:25] <surgy> forgeaus: was a joke your getting what 300 kbps down? 120 something up?
[05:25] <ForgeAus> um it varies
[05:25] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: Dr_willis: The dumbest part is that Windows offered me to "download the driver from Internet". Doesn't it know it's talking about an ethernet driver?
[05:25] <knapp> What is the command to list connected USB devices? Which would be my ipod?
[05:26] <ForgeAus> mostly I just got a 256k (sometimes less) adsl connection
[05:26] <ForgeAus> it has moments where it SHINES and goes lots faster
[05:26] <ceefour> knapp: I usually do cat /dev/bus/usb/devices :-)
[05:26] <surgy> forgeAus: i have a lan line through SBC yahoo adsl and i get 1.5mbps and i usually get 300 down
[05:26] <ForgeAus> but mostly I don't expect more than 256k performance out of it
[05:26] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  :) whats really amazing - is that i cant recall that download-from-the-internet - to EVER WORK for any of the devices ive ever had.
[05:26] <ForgeAus> surgy, I'm in Australia
[05:26] <DrunkPikachu> Dr_willis: same here
[05:26] <ForgeAus> do we have SBC yahoo adsl here?
[05:26] <knapp> ty
[05:26] <surgy> forgeaus: yea i got it from "Aus" lol
[05:27] <ForgeAus> and whats the sbc bit mean?
[05:27] <surgy> forgeaus: i whouldnt doubt it they boast about something in the range of 55 countries world wide
[05:27] <ceefour> Dr_willis: it had worked for me sometimes. It didn't work for a Creative SBLive card though. I guess Microsoft didn't know SBLive existed.
[05:27] <ceefour> Dr_willis: Although it happily installed the CMedia integrated soundcard without problems. go figure.
[05:28] <surgy> forgeaus: but they support up to 3mbps which is nice and its only 45$ here
[05:28] <ceefour> surgy: 300 Kbps download speed?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> Microsoft should work with SBLive
[05:28] <ceefour> surgy: Or 300 KByte ps?
[05:28] <ForgeAus> I'm sure I had XP and win98 runnign with it just fine
[05:28] <surgy> ceefour: yeah usually
[05:28] <DrunkPikachu> Microsoft should work with most everything, but it doesn't
[05:28] <surgy> ceefour: umm whats the diff?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  creative does have a activex/website that scans and installs the drivers/tools for their cards.. hp does also for their printer/scanners. :) but ya have to use IE to get that to work.
[05:28] <ForgeAus> yeah that about waht I'm paying 45 p/m
[05:28] <ceefour> ForgeAus: it worked fine but I had to manually install SBLive driver from creative site. Not using the "Found New Hardware wizard"
[05:29] <surgy> ok rebooting brb
[05:29] <ForgeAus> ceefour ohhh kay... strange....
[05:29] <ForgeAus> anyway I better reset see if I fixed my ubuntu
[05:29] <ceefour> Dr_willis: the ironic part is that searching for drivers on google will most likely end up with spyware on your PC :-(
[05:30] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I wonder if that's gonna happen to with Linux systems when we grow up (user base)
[05:30] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I just LOVE those sites that make you pay to downlaod the driver. Either that or view 29 ads before-hand
[05:31] <dwidmann> DrunkPikachu: that sounds evil.
[05:31] <DrunkPikachu> next ad -> next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad ->next ad -> download -> 404 file not found
[05:31] <dwidmann> woo hoo, world class reliability
[05:31] <Dr_willis> Gotta love harware vendors that dont have their  'driver cd's" for download either.
[05:34] <XVampireX> Someone tell me why I like Qt4 so much
[05:35] <xsacha> cause 4 > 3 ?
[05:35] <XVampireX> Maybe
[05:35] <dwidmann> because it has awesomeness infused in it, duh
[05:36] <DrunkPikachu> Although I don't what what Qt4 is, I'll guess because it allows you to timesize your partitioned matrix cube of indefinate arrays.
[05:36] <XVampireX> It looks good
[05:36] <XVampireX> That's why
[05:36] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I've been there before. Literally.
[05:36] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: 29 ads? I'm not sure if it's really that many... but.. yeah. I literally clicked the "No thanks, continue" link a bit too many times
[05:37] <dwidmann> ceefour, DrunkPikachu, try not to wear out your left mouse button ... lol
[05:37] <ceefour> XVampireX: I think Qt4 allows the celebral cortex to spin down the quantum lightning process so that the transcoder will induce at a faster photon rates :-)
[05:37] <XVampireX> ceefour: Definitely a possibility
[05:37] <XVampireX> Time to go to sleep though
[05:38] <ceefour> dwidmann: Don't worry I have a wearproof Microsoft(R) Intelli-Optical Mouse here!
[05:38] <ceefour> dwidmann: (I mean it. I have a Microsoft Internet Pro Keyboard & mouse that was given as a gift)
[05:38] <dwidmann> Something made by microsoft that's actually wearproof? :O
[05:38] <DrunkPikachu> I'd say BF1942/2/2142 endanger my mouse more than ads.
[05:38] <DrunkPikachu> that, and my wrists
[05:39] <ceefour> dwidmann: Well all I can say is that their hardware is much much more wearproof than their OS or any of their software
[05:39] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: my max payne mousepad outlived pretty much every peice of hardware I've ever owned
[05:39] <dwidmann> and here I was under the impression that the first time microsoft would make something that wouldn't suck would be when they started making vacuum cleaners.
[05:39] <ceefour> dwidmann: the keyboard & mouse is from 2000 and it hadn't shown any problems. not a missing button nor anything. they haven't had WinXP back then.
[05:40] <DrunkPikachu> I take that back, it's between that mousepad and my MS sidewinder 2 joystick. The only solid product MS ever put out. Then they just had to discontinue the line ... !@#$!@#$!@#$
[05:40] <ceefour> dwidmann: well too bad the vacuum cleaner doesn't boot because of corrupted filesystem but we use it as a broom instead :P
[05:41] <dwidmann> my last three or 4 mouses were junk, and were thrown away as such ...
[05:41] <dwidmann> ceefour: that's hilarious
[05:41] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I thought Sidewinder was popular because it's name was printed on almost EVERY game's README/FAQ/TROUBLESHOOTING section out there?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> I like my Logitech MX518 mouse.
[05:42] <ForgeAus> ok well I got closer
[05:42] <ForgeAus> still no boot
[05:42] <ForgeAus> but nearly gets to login screen now
[05:42] <dwidmann> I had a sidewinder once ... when I got windows xp and I couldn't make it work with it I threw it away though  ... long time ago
[05:42] <ForgeAus> (75% through the bar
[05:42] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: most of the products like the joypads were crap. But read up on the joystick and it's one of the best sub $50 joysticks ever made. I've beaten that thing into the ground and it still works perfectly (albeit a little loose).
[05:43] <ceefour> dwidmann: I work in a hardware store and the mice (cheaper ones) really suck and unreliable. The fact that I own a Microsoft mouse is really enlighting and I'm surprised Microsoft made such quality products.
[05:43] <DrunkPikachu> easily 100+ hours in bf1942 alone and it still works.
[05:44] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: my friend bought a Logitech keyboard several years after my MS keyboard and her keyboard wasn't very good now. My MS KB is still kicking. Yaay!
[05:44] <dwidmann> ceefour: I actually bought what seems to be a decent one this time though ... a nice looking $20 logitech
[05:44] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I'm partial to Logitech's discontinued elite. Awesome quality.
[05:45] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: dwidmann: The more I think that, it implies that in the Redmond campus they'll all be using 5+years old accessories M$ hardware. But with newer CPUs of course.
[05:46] <dwidmann> ceefour: I think Microsoft will soon realize this mistake if they haven't already. It apparently doesn't pay to make quality products.
[05:46] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: my only gladness in buying Logitech was their speakers. Z640, very good 5.1 speakers, at prices very competitive than other 5.1 offerings at that time. It's weird that I like their speakers more than their keyboard?
[05:46] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I wouldn't blame them, unless they had the cash to spend on chpro hardware
[05:46] <ForgeAus> lol dwidmann
[05:46] <ceefour> BTW why are we still discussing this on #kubuntu? ;-)
[05:47] <dwidmann> lazyness and lack of other conversation in this room?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> dwidmann I disagree it does pay to make quality products, but not for the masses
[05:47] <Dr_willis> I just realized that my speakers are like 10 yrs old.....
[05:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: but if you make a quality product, they won't have to buy another one in 12 months to replace it
[05:47] <ForgeAus> you make quality products and aim them at a target audience, then make non-quality products of the same thing for the masses
[05:47] <vbgunz> how do I record me speaking?
[05:47] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: their mice seem to be good, with a few exceptions. I love my mx510 though
[05:48] <dwidmann> vbgunz: with a microphone
[05:48] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I really wan't to try Logitech laser mouse. I wonder how it feels?
[05:48] <dwidmann> :P
[05:48] <vbgunz> basically, I need to test my mic, how can I see if it is working? how do I test it?
[05:48] <ForgeAus> actually dwidmann that should be made illegal
[05:48] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: haven't used a laser one yet, I hear mostly good things.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> electronic whitegoods doo it all the time
[05:48] <dwidmann> krecord is a decent program vbgunz
[05:48] <ceefour> vbgunz: open KMixer and turn the mic volume all the way up!
[05:48] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: fat chance making that happen
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> get some glorious feedback from your mic
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> make your ears bleed
[05:49] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I have quite some problems with any optical mice. well the surfaces of course. I heard laser mice eliminated that problem.
[05:49] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I've never had problems with my optical on cloth mousepads (I miss thee, max payne pad)
[05:50] <dwidmann> ceefour, I should go borrow my brothers  laser mouse and try it on my desk. Which happens to be made of tempered blue glass.
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> Although lately I've been using my wacom tablet for general work/browsing
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> overuse syndrome in my hands and all
[05:50] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: some mousepads are actually reflective. I guess they didn't know optical mice had been invented.
[05:50] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: yea, ive seen some that are practically mirrors.
[05:50] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:51] <ForgeAus> me 2
[05:51] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: speaking of wacom. is the wacom errors in KDE/Kubuntu intentional?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> The wacom tablet is included by default in the xorg.conf
[05:51] <ForgeAus> do wacom tablets work via synaptic drivers?
[05:51] <ForgeAus> oh
[05:51] <ForgeAus> ok
[05:51] <Dr_willis> and no - i dont know why they do it that way. :)
[05:51] <ForgeAus> hmmm
[05:51] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I wonder why. Errors aren't very pretty to look at. Especially when you launch something from Konsole
[05:51] <ForgeAus> so how do I find out what I'm missing from ubuntu-minimal?
[05:51] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I haven't even tried connecting it. The whole wireless/graphics card issues which harass me every time I install linux have turned me off from trying to put more hardware onl.
[05:52] <ceefour> Dr_willis: or you look at Xorg logs
[05:52] <Dr_willis> i feel the whole way the x.org file is setup.. needs work.. :)
[05:52] <Dr_willis> its gotten better however.. but still its awkward.
[05:52] <ForgeAus> or how do I install ubuntu minimal into my root drive from the Live CD?
[05:52] <dwidmann> DrunkPikachu: so long as you take a look around and be sure to buy something 100% compatible you won't have any trouble.
[05:52] <ForgeAus> (without starting fresh)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  i dont think the live cd can do a minimal install.
[05:53] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: Seriously, hardware vendors should support Linux more. I mean, that $200+/PC for Vista should have gone e.g. into NVIDIA's pocket for better GFX card. Wouldn't that make NVIDIA happier?
[05:53] <ForgeAus> Dr Willis I mean the unbuntu-minimal package
[05:53] <DrunkPikachu> dwidmann: that's a hard thing to do when you're buying a budget laptop.
[05:53] <ForgeAus> even if I get it from the net
[05:53] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis: well, the closest thing to a minimal you can do with the livecd would be to debootstrap it ...
[05:53] <DrunkPikachu> dwidmann: If I had the cash for a thinkpad, I'd be all over it
[05:53] <Dr_willis> !info ubuntu-minimal
[05:53] <ubotu> ubuntu-minimal: Minimal core of Ubuntu. In component main, is important. Version 1.30 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 44 kB
[05:53] <ForgeAus> figures why it messed up
[05:53] <Dr_willis> 15k :) now THATS minimal
[05:53] <ForgeAus> lol its a metapackage
[05:53] <ForgeAus> I think
[05:54] <Dr_willis> thats my guess also
[05:54] <Dr_willis> heh
[05:54] <ForgeAus> its the dependancies that are big probly
[05:54] <ForgeAus> I managed to copy most of it back from the live CD
[05:54] <ForgeAus> its just that it still doesn't work
[05:54] <ForgeAus> (some upgrade broke it)
[05:54] <ceefour> Dr_willis: It's a news flash that Ubuntu now fits into a 360K 5 1/4" DD disk. You can even fit several ubuntu-minimal packages there :-)
[05:54] <DrunkPikachu> I wonder if we can create a linux distro using 3 lines of python
[05:54] <ForgeAus> (well actually told me it was unneeded and to do an autoremove that included ubuntu-minimal)
[05:54] <Dr_willis> DrunkPikachu,  no.. but ya can do it in 20 lines of perl!
[05:54] <ForgeAus> that was a mistake
[05:54] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: maybe a meta-distro :-)
[05:55] <ForgeAus> metadistro! rofl!
[05:55] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I know I can do it with 1 line of .htaccess: Redirect / http://www.ubuntu.com/ :-)
[05:55] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: cheater
[05:55] <dwidmann> hehehe
[05:55] <ForgeAus> so I need my unbuntu-minimal back functioning
[05:55] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: meta-cheater... :P
[05:56] <ForgeAus> musta been some dud proggy I installed from an unstable repository or something
[05:56] <dwidmann> Ah, and to think I ended up with what I've got after doing a minimal install ....
[05:56] <DrunkPikachu> Hmm with recent advancements in science.... a whole linux distro printed onto a photon
[05:56] <ForgeAus> but then Kompile doesn't install and it complains that kdesu is missing .... I don't understand th at one
[05:56] <ceefour> I wonder how Paris Hilton would laugh had she chatted here right now
[05:56] <dwidmann> dustin@terra:~$ df -h /
[05:56] <dwidmann> /dev/sdc8             9.4G  5.6G  3.8G  60% /
[05:57] <DrunkPikachu> PAris Hilton would talk about how she hacked linux onto her sidekick and then wardrived around malibu.
[05:57] <dwidmann> ceefour: don't you mean cry?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> hmmm so how do I fix my kubuntu then?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> it can't be majorly broken I was running it
[05:58] <ceefour> dwidmann: maybe. I just wonder if the Paris Hilton show visits Ubuntu or KDE's HQ. what will happen?
[05:58] <terika> hey everybody
[05:58] <ForgeAus> hey terika
[05:58] <ceefour> sidekick? Oh that's so PC-DOS ;-)
[05:58] <ForgeAus> PC-dos? nah... worse MS-DOS!
[05:58] <dwidmann> ceefour: with any luck ... that might end up with free kubuntu cds finding their way into a certain hotel chain ..... nahhhhhh
[05:59] <dwidmann> hello terika
[05:59] <DrunkPikachu> Run punch-cards through your sidekick
[05:59] <ForgeAus> I wonder if microsoft still sells MS-DOS products!
[05:59] <DrunkPikachu> One day it might have batch processing
[05:59] <Dr_willis> FreeDos !
[06:00] <JackBandit> how can I get rid of the disgusting gray color from afterstep in KDE?
[06:00] <ForgeAus> disgusting? um you can change the theme
[06:00] <ForgeAus> theres lots in there
[06:00] <JackBandit> I tried
[06:00] <ForgeAus> I did it but I forgot how now
[06:00] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: I think I was about 3yo at that time
[06:00] <ForgeAus> without seeing it infront of me
[06:00] <ceefour> dwidmann: that's a good idea. let's tell MarkS about it! Yaay!
[06:01] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: I take that back, I was almost 5
[06:01] <dwidmann> ceefour: :)
[06:01] <JackBandit> think of the nasty gray color them in Afterstep being everywhere in KDE, I went to the thems and changed to default and it is gone a bit, but in all chat windows (IRC, gaim) it is still there
[06:02] <ceefour> When will MS-DOS Vista comes out? I heard it had Aero glass support right on 80x25 text-mode. Pretty cool I guess
[06:02] <dwidmann> JackBandit, if you were to log out and log back in, would that ugly gray still be there?
[06:04] <JackBandit> dwidmann: yes, I logged out of Afterstep and logged back into KDE and it followed me, lol. I then went into the Thems in control panel and selected it to be default to make everything normal again, but it is still haunting me
[06:04] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: 80x25, crap, I think I need a new monitor. Hopefully it displays more than one color.
[06:04] <ceefour> ext2ifs: release date:   	 11-20-2006 -- dang this thing is recent!!!
[06:05] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I wonder why MS-DOS didn't have a dialog box for setting refresh rates... Did it support HD monitors at 80x25?
[06:05] <dwidmann> jackbandit: the mighty hammer solution seems to involve removing afterstep
[06:06] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: I wonder how it feels to run text mode apps on a 30" monitor. It mean, a single character is bigger than your fist? :-)
[06:06] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: talking about that while sitting in front of my 2007wfp seems strange :D
[06:06] <ceefour> JackBandit: Beryl is a good thing if you like super eye candy... ugh. Windowszers will envy
[06:07] <Morbo> Until they want to play X game of the month
[06:07] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: hey, lay off my 3d rotating desktop cube
[06:07] <Morbo> Then they will whine and go back.
[06:07] <DrunkPikachu> Using the more basic compiz though
[06:07] <dwidmann> ceefour: I'm looking forward more to the improvements to kwin in kde 4 :)
[06:08] <Morbo> I want to be cryogenically frozen until it's released
[06:08] <ceefour> dwidmann: hopefully it'll be here with fanfare. it looks ambitious. i mean, several new architectures..
[06:08] <ForgeAus> lol I'm sure with Vista out the Aero engine will have a desktop cube proggy for it...
[06:08] <ceefour> dwidmann: and in the end we still have our friend GNOME...
[06:08] <ForgeAus> at some point
[06:08] <ForgeAus> virtual desktops aren't really a big thing in MS windows
[06:08] <Morbo> Actually, I was disappointed that it was scrapped more or less
[06:08] <DrunkPikachu> ForgeAus: which will require 3 gigs of ram and your soul
[06:08] <dwidmann> friend? Who's calling the lawn
[06:09] <dwidmann> **lawn gnome a friend now
[06:09] <ForgeAus> Drunk yes... your probably right
[06:09] <ForgeAus> pity I only have one gig of ram
[06:09] <JackBandit> ceefour and dwidmann: I will give both of your solutions a try, hopefully they will work for me and I will let you both know of my outcomes... thank you both for your help
[06:09] <ceefour> ForgeAus: I'm not sure about desktop cube. but currently it has this slightly tilted "Expose" clone. but hey you've got to have 2 GB RAM for that, duh
[06:09] <Dr_willis> i wish all laptops had better gfx cards...
[06:10] <Morbo> I just want to be able to run compositing stuff decently
[06:10] <Morbo> And without having to reduce to 16-bit colors
[06:10] <ceefour> JackBandit: I didn't mean seriously to install Beryl. there's a need to fix the problem first before introducing yet another :-)
[06:10] <Dr_willis> actually arent most lcd's limited to 16bit worth of color showing goodness anyway?
[06:10] <Morbo> I don't thinks so...
[06:10] <Morbo> But I know virtually nothing
[06:11] <ceefour> Morbo: I thought most stuff today refuses to run in 16bit?
[06:11] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: I've had stuff switch down before. Color banding makes my eyes bleed.
[06:11] <Morbo> ceefour- To get my Mobility Radeon 7500 to do any compositing, I have to go to 16 bit
[06:11] <ceefour> Dr_willis: I still remember old Windows games which refuses to run because it requires "256 color mode". Man I'm running 32-bit here, and I don't see an option for 256 colors! (ok, I need that Compability tab)
[06:11] <dwidmann> anything modern uses 24-bit color AFAIK. Depending where I set the date of modern at, keeping in mind that 1999 was the stone age.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> I was thinking that from a '# of colors displayable due to lcd limitions' that a lcd really dident gain from the higher bit depth.. but i guess new lcds may be better
[06:11] <Morbo> DrunkPikachu- Yeah
[06:12] <JackBandit> ceefour: opps, well I guess I will try removing afterstep and seeing what that would do for me. Maybe that would be of some help. Guess it cant hurt too much to try. I didnt think color issues would follow you from one desktop enverioment to another
[06:12] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  i rember some windows program ( that cheap MS wordprocessor?) that wouldent even Install OR uninstall if you were 256 colors...
[06:13] <ceefour> Dr_willis: MS Word isn't cheap... at least not in the pricetag
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm article on lcd color depth
[06:13] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  years ago they had that cheap knockoff. :)
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> 8v6
[06:13] <DrunkPikachu> bit
[06:14] <ceefour> My client recently bought a Toshiba L30 with preinstalled Windows XP Starter Edition. No driver CD included. This is the first time I laid eyes on a "Starter". It doesn't allow more than 3 open windows. And it doesn't connect to network shares. Hello?
[06:14] <JackBandit> if this helps, even now the background in my terminal windows are gray and the part where "File,Edit, View, ect.." is a real dark gray too
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: ewwww.
[06:15] <JackBandit> not sure if that helps describe more of whats going on or not
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: how long did you have to wash for before you felt clean again?
[06:15] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  what country is this in?
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> Cuba?
[06:15] <DrunkPikachu> Or trying to install it for a Kombai tribe in Papua
[06:16] <ceefour> Dr_willis: Indonesia. An additional feat is that the installed Windows uses Indonesian language. Can't be switched to English. And I don't even understand their language even though I'm native Indonesian.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> thats about as far from Indonesia as one can get...
[06:16] <ceefour> Dr_willis: It looks like the translator used Babelfish or some sort and then used search&replace to replace some words the most obscure ones in the dictionary.
[06:17] <intelikey> dr_willis cherokee ?
[06:17] <ceefour> DrunkPikachu: The client demanded WinXP Pro. So there it goes. It took some time to download the drivers from Toshiba though. It's a good thing the Ethernet works without special Toshiba drivers. Wow.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  Just living in Indiana. :)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not a lot of Indians left here any more..
[06:19] <intelikey> yeah i know. (:
[06:19] <Dr_willis> and with all the layoffs comming soon... there may not be a lot of ANYTHING left here..
[06:19] <underdog5004> ceefour, ouch...that really sucks...I've only ever _heard_ of starter edition...
[06:19] <ceefour> What is the best way to store "shared" files?
[06:19] <Dr_willis> store? on a hard drive. :)
[06:20] <DrunkPikachu> ceefour: non technical people making demands? Sounds like retail to me.. "Yo quero un sony viao con un (broken english) 'jigabyte' de ram."
[06:20] <ceefour> I used to create /shared directory. I thought it'd be better to make /home/ceefour/shared and then /shared is only a symlink?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  you can set up the users /home/whatever dirs to be automatically shared
[06:20] <intelikey> ceefour maybe reverse that ?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> symbolic links and 'shares' often causes problems
[06:21] <DrunkPikachu> Time, share.... Timeshare!
[06:21] <ceefour> What I want is that I have a partition that stores all data. And a "system" partition that is disposable.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> ceefour,  edit your samba config files then to share them as ya want.
[06:21] <ceefour> I don't want to have lots of partition.
[06:21] <underdog5004> DrunkPikachu, a man came into the shop where I work, talking about about jigabytes of Ram...I almost killed him
[06:21] <DrunkPikachu> haha
[06:22] <ceefour> What I meant by "sharing" isn't network share. But just shared among users of the same computer. Or something that's accessible by a group.
[06:22] <DrunkPikachu> 70% of the time they turn around when they see what it actually costs
[06:22] <intelikey> Dr_willis while you are around, do you know of anyway that one could make a common point redirrect to user specific point ?
[06:22] <underdog5004> ceefour, I prefer to make a small / partition and a large /home partition
[06:22] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  liek make /homedirs  point to /home/bubba for user bubba.. but /home/bob for user bob?
[06:22] <intelikey> example: ln -s /tmp /~/tmp
[06:22] <ceefour> underdog5004: I do the same too
[06:22] <intelikey> Dr_willis yes
[06:23] <ceefour> The problem is that making a /shared makes it belong to the system partition. I don't want to wipe that out.
[06:23] <underdog5004> it feels good when I do that...if I _really_ bork my system, I can reinstall, no hassle
[06:23] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  you wantign to access this as a normal direcory from linux? or as a samba share?
[06:23] <ceefour> when I "reinstall" my system.
[06:23] <intelikey> normal linux
[06:23] <intelikey> local
[06:23] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  thers always that 'fuse' stuff that can do amazing tricks...
[06:23] <underdog5004> ceefour, why not just make the share in your /home?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  not sure of why you need this :) but not sure of any other way to do it.
[06:24] <intelikey> can a link or socket do that ?
[06:24] <ceefour> "When the Windows Explorer specifies a file name with a trailing dot, Window's Win32 subsystem removes that dot and the file system driver gets a create/open request with a wrong file name. (It mimics some obscure DOS behavior.)"
[06:24] <ceefour> That's a superannoying bug. I had a folder I can't remove/delete/whatever. Not even a full ScanDisk.
[06:25] <underdog5004> ceefour, where'd that come from?
[06:25] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  soft /hard links dont think so.. not sure about sockets.
[06:25] <ceefour> underdog5004: that's what I thought. I should make a ~/shared/ folder then link that. I just never thought of that before.
[06:25] <intelikey> ah the device fb is a good example....   lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Sep 16 04:31 fd -> /proc/self/fd
[06:25] <underdog5004> yep
[06:26] <underdog5004> that's me...the smart one! (at least, that's what my mom says...)
[06:26] <ceefour> underdog5004: I should have done that to some other parts of the system. Like Apache, BIND configs. Ruby gem cache, etc.
[06:26] <Dr_willis> I though she said you were the 'special one' :)
[06:26] <underdog5004> well, that's a no-brainer
[06:26] <underdog5004> @ Dr_willis ^^
[06:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:28] <underdog5004> so...
[06:30] <intelikey> hmmmm if i can figure out what /proc/self is made out of i can do what i'm wanting to do.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> - /proc is a special directory
[06:31] <Dr_willis> one of those new-fangled-dynamic-filesystem-what-ma-thinggies
[06:32] <intelikey> hehhe yeah
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I recall some tutorials/guides in some linux mags that describe making your own special entrys for /proc/
[06:32] <Dr_willis> but ive never needed to do so. :)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I just looked at the pictures in the magazine
[06:33] <Dr_willis> night all
[06:34] <intelikey> hmm mc cant copy self out of /proc without making it static rather than dynamic.
[06:37] <[aegis] > Hey, I need some help, Kubuntu isn't drawing anything on my desktop properly when I log in
[06:37] <[aegis] > I think it has to do with the fact that I tried to change the splash screen
[06:38] <[aegis] > anyone able to help?
[06:40] <[aegis] > Is it just me or is no one talking?
[06:40] <underdog5004> lol, just you.
[06:49] <dwidmann> [aegis] , try disabling usplash altogether and see what happens.
[06:58] <intelikey> well i broke konqueror   and probably everything kde...
[06:58] <intelikey> maybe all of X
[06:58] <intelikey> (:
[07:00] <intelikey> how did i break it ???   Y like this...  sudo find / -type d -name tmp -exec rm -fr '{}' \;
[07:01] <intelikey> yeah it broke X    i figured it would.     X: cannot stat /tmp/.X11-unix (No such file or directory), aborting.
[07:12] <intelikey> 
[07:12] <intelikey> `
[07:13] <intelikey> does anyone know how /proc/self works ?
[07:17] <Somebody> so, uh.... Bill Gates is on The Daily Show right now, promoting Microsoft Windows Vista (on North American television, unless the west coast has different times)
[07:17] <tamacracker> Ok, I backed up the files I had on my Primary Slave drive, deleted the partition, formatted and remade it into ext3 partition again... how do I mount it so that it shows as a hard drive?   Can anyone help me?
[07:18] <Somebody> Mark Shuttleworth should do The Daily Show ... I don't know how that works, really
[07:18] <intelikey> mark shuttleworth    who's that ?
[07:19] <intelikey> !mount
[07:19] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:19] <unix_infidel> the benefactor our little hear operation.
[07:19] <unix_infidel> here*
[07:19] <Somebody> Mark Shuttleworth started Ubuntu with his millions of dollars
[07:19] <intelikey> so that's whos to blame.
[07:20] <Somebody> he's also been to space... I don't think Bill Gates has been to space
[07:20] <intelikey> (:
[07:20] <tamacracker> Ok, I backed up the files I had on my Primary Slave drive, deleted the partition, formatted and remade it into ext3 partition again... how do I mount it so that it shows as a hard drive?   Can anyone help me?
[07:20] <intelikey> Somebody he may own it ???
[07:20] <tamacracker> Gparted is not giving me the option to mount my drive ><
[07:21] <intelikey> !info mount
[07:21] <ubotu> mount: Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems. In component main, is required. Version 2.12r-11ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 179 kB, installed size 400 kB
[07:21] <intelikey> !fstab
[07:21] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[07:22] <intelikey> !Partitions
[07:22] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:22] <tamacracker> thanks intelikey
[07:22] <intelikey> !DiskMounter
[07:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[07:23] <ForgeAus> intelikey!
[07:23] <ForgeAus> I got a bit further!
[07:23] <intelikey> !intelikey
[07:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intelikey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:23] <ForgeAus> riofl
[07:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus oh you mean that didn't boot for you ?
[07:24] <tamacracker> ack.. it doesn't tell me how to mount ><
[07:24] <ForgeAus> it booted back to the recovery shell ash/busybox thingy
[07:24] <ForgeAus> but now I know some new things
[07:24] <intelikey> that's not recovery shell
[07:24] <ForgeAus> tama still mounting trouble?
[07:24] <intelikey> that's initramfs system
[07:24] <ForgeAus> yeah that one
[07:24] <ForgeAus> but I fixed that
[07:24] <ForgeAus> I copied some stuff missing from the LiveCD
[07:24] <ForgeAus> to the root filesystem
[07:24] <tamacracker> Forge yeah I needed to mount it just so i could back up my files, now I need to mount it as a hard drive
[07:24] <ForgeAus> now it gets 75% through the bar
[07:25] <intelikey> what exactly did you copy ?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> mount it as a hard drive? what do you mean?
[07:25] <tamacracker> so that it's known as a hard disk
[07:25] <ForgeAus> um... I got mc to do a compare and copy over things that weren't there
[07:25] <intelikey> tamacracker heh
[07:25] <ForgeAus> tama things in Linux that get mounted aren't known as a hard drive or not a hard drive
[07:25] <tamacracker> ok ok
[07:25] <ForgeAus> they're all in the /dev/ table
[07:25] <intelikey> no such critter in linux.  you mount file systems.
[07:26] <ForgeAus> if its mounted its mounted..
[07:26] <tamacracker> i see...
[07:26] <ForgeAus> its not mounted AS anything but a filesystem as intelikey just said
[07:26] <ForgeAus> so I don't know why I'm repeating myself
[07:26] <ForgeAus> erm why I'm repeating him anyway
[07:26] <tamacracker> ok forgive me but how may i remount it again?
[07:26] <ForgeAus> whatever
[07:26] <ForgeAus> use sudo mount <device> <mountdirectory>
[07:27] <intelikey> mount <device_node> <mount_point>
[07:27] <ForgeAus> before it was sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[07:27] <intelikey> yeah as root  ^
[07:27] <tamacracker> wok brb
[07:27] <ForgeAus> (but you need to add the directory if its not there...
[07:27] <ForgeAus> so sudo mkdir /media/hdb1 (if none already exists)
[07:27] <ForgeAus> if one does it probably won't let you do that
[07:28] <intelikey> tamacracker you can have it automatically mounted at boot time by adding the info into the fstab
[07:28] <tamacracker>    /media/hdb1
[07:28] <intelikey> as per all the links ubotu mentioned.
[07:28] <ForgeAus> kewl intelikey but I odn't now how to od that
[07:28] <tamacracker> but it says i have 13gb of freespace <,<
[07:28] <ForgeAus> wow awesome! you h ave freespace!
[07:28] <tamacracker> yeah that's what i want intelikey
[07:28] <ForgeAus> can I buy some off you? lol!
[07:28] <tamacracker> lol Forge
[07:29] <tamacracker> my point is... my hard drive that im gonna mount is 80gb
[07:29] <tamacracker> of free space
[07:29] <tamacracker> why is there 13gb?
[07:29] <ForgeAus> tma its only showing you the 13 gig from your root filesystem don't worry about it
[07:29] <tamacracker> intelikey, i want my storage drive to always be mounted when i log onto linux
[07:29] <tamacracker> oh ok
[07:29] <intelikey> if it's a permanant i'd use something like /storage    or /home/extra   or something.  but that's just me.  i don't like /media   i like /mnt  or /disks  as a designation for mountpoints.
[07:29] <ForgeAus> you need to view the proeprties of the DEVICE not your hdd
[07:29] <tamacracker> exactly
[07:30] <tamacracker> that's what i want to name my drive
[07:30] <tamacracker> or the folder >.>
[07:30] <tamacracker> storage
[07:30] <ForgeAus> intelikey I agree... useful names are good
[07:30] <ForgeAus> (media is just where linux likes to put it so I use that.... but you can name it something more meaningful to you)
[07:30] <[aegis] > What is the difference between the CD and DVD releases of Kubuntu? What additional packages are added?
[07:31] <intelikey> tamacracker sudo mkdir /storage && sudo nano /etc/fstab
[07:31] <ForgeAus> good question aegis I have no idea! lol
[07:31] <tamacracker> ok gonna do that righ tnow
[07:31] <ForgeAus> probably koffice for one
[07:31] <[aegis] > I installed the 32bit version CD on my macbook, but I'm tempted to wipe it and install the 64bit version... I don't know what benefit I would get from the dvd though
[07:31] <tamacracker> ok
[07:32] <intelikey> add this line to the fstab file and save.   "/dev/hdb1 /storage ext3 defaults 0 0 "
[07:32] <tamacracker> fstab is now open
[07:32] <tamacracker> cool
[07:32] <tamacracker> at the bottom?
[07:32] <tamacracker> or below my hda1?
[07:33] <intelikey> [aegis]  the install should be the same.   but more of the repo'd packages are on the dvd   iirc    plus alternate installation methoods are supported on the dvd
[07:33] <tamacracker> ok i added itall the way at the bottom, do i need to add this: udf,iso9660 user,noauto
[07:33] <tamacracker> or just leave it blank
[07:33] <ForgeAus> intelikey as for what I copied mostly just files out of /bin, /sbin and their /usr/ counterparts (ie /usr/bin and /usr/sbin/) that was not on my root filesystem...
[07:34] <intelikey> why would you add "udf,iso9660 user,noauto"  that ?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> It seems like my ubuntu-minimal was somehow messed with
[07:34] <ForgeAus> which makes sense because it did show up in the autoremove list
[07:34] <tamacracker> well not that specifically
[07:34] <tamacracker> but somethin that gives me 100% permission to the drive?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> iso9660 is for CD drives mostly
[07:35] <ForgeAus> "ro" vs "rw" is what gives you access or not
[07:35] <ForgeAus> rw for readwrite and ro for read only
[07:35] <intelikey> tamacracker it's ext3   permissions is not controled by mount.
[07:35] <tamacracker> yeah rw
[07:35] <ForgeAus> oh and theres also the -o user flag on the mount command
[07:35] <tamacracker> ok
[07:35] <tamacracker> i also remember typing 700 or something lik ethat
[07:35] <ForgeAus> but intelikey seems to know more about what he's talking about
[07:36] <intelikey> only on M$ file systems does mount set a pseudo permissions bit   because M$ doesn't have permissions bits
[07:36] <ForgeAus> tama you might need sudo or kdesu to do anything toher than read from the drive
[07:36] <tamacracker> ack no no
[07:36] <tamacracker> i wanna write onto
[07:36] <tamacracker> without passwords
[07:36] <ForgeAus> also if its ntfs its best just to mount it as read-only anyway
[07:36] <tamacracker> read/write
[07:36] <tamacracker> naw it's ext3
[07:36] <ForgeAus> unless you use fuse
[07:36] <ForgeAus> !fuse
[07:36] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[07:37] <intelikey> ForgeAus no.
[07:37] <intelikey> tamacracker no.
[07:37] <tamacracker> ok
[07:37] <ForgeAus> ext3 you don't need fuse
[07:37] <tamacracker> sorry for being hard...
[07:37] <tamacracker> hard time that is.
[07:38] <intelikey> it's ext3   just put the line i posted and don't argue.    permissions are set with chown and chmod just like they are on all other "linux" file systems.
[07:38] <tamacracker> ok intelikey, after i save the fstab
[07:38] <tamacracker> understood
[07:38] <intelikey> after you safe it  sudo mount -a
[07:38] <tamacracker> ok
[07:39] <intelikey> mount      should now show it as mounted  as should  df -h
[07:39] <tamacracker> ok one last question
[07:40] <tamacracker> why is it showing only 68gb
[07:40] <tamacracker> where's my other 12gbs?
[07:40] <intelikey> tamacracker hmm i don't know.    sudo fdisk -l
[07:40] <tamacracker> ok
[07:41] <surgy> good night
[07:41] <intelikey> ForgeAus how is the system acting now ?
[07:41] <intelikey> surgy ttfn
[07:41] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb1               1        9599    77103936   83  Linux
[07:41] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb2            9600        9964     2931862+   5  Extended
[07:41] <surgy> ttfn?
[07:41] <surgy> oh well night
[07:42] <tamacracker> /dev/hdb5            9600        9964     2931831   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:43] <ForgeAus> acting?
[07:43] <ForgeAus> um like I said it gets to 75% on the startup bar before login screen
[07:44] <intelikey> tamacracker obviously only 77g were in that partition  3g allocated to swap    (over kill)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> at last attempt, and I  havn't done anything to change that since
[07:44] <intelikey> ForgeAus and then it does what ?
[07:45] <ForgeAus> (it also boots into recovery console if I choose to)
[07:45] <ForgeAus> it freezes at 75%
[07:45] <ForgeAus> does nothing
[07:45] <ForgeAus> no X (or is it KDM?)
[07:46] <ForgeAus> I tried aptitude -install ubuntu-minimal from the recov console but no network
[07:46] <ForgeAus> (also its read-only filesystem in there)
[07:46] <tamacracker> what's linux swap for?!
[07:46] <ForgeAus> space to put stuff its working on...
[07:47] <tamacracker> lol
[07:47] <intelikey> ForgeAus ok safe/recovery/single user mode   try this   """"" sudo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)  """"""
[07:47] <tamacracker> oh lord
[07:47] <Dasnipa`> tamacracker, its used as slower ram for low priority apps
[07:47] <intelikey> tamacracker for paging out memory if it uses it all.
[07:47] <ForgeAus> um intelikey like I said no internet thats not going to help
[07:47] <tamacracker> lol
[07:47] <tamacracker> thanks guys
[07:48] <intelikey> ForgeAus most if not all of that will be on the install/live cd
[07:48] <ForgeAus> oh so how do I get to safe/recovery/user mode from the live cd?
[07:48] <ForgeAus> ahh I get it on reboot!
[07:48] <ForgeAus> brb
[07:48] <ForgeAus> I'll try that
[07:48] <ForgeAus> um but how am I going to remember that command?
[07:48] <intelikey> apt-cdrom   if you need to setup up the cd
[07:49] <intelikey> the old fassioned text editor ?
[07:49] <ForgeAus> ok
[07:49] <ForgeAus> kate into my info file (self notes)
[07:49] <intelikey> called a pen and paper
[07:50] <intelikey> wait pin.   that's like using echo for a text editor.... it writes just fine just doesn't edit very well.
[07:51] <ForgeAus> rofl
[07:51] <ForgeAus> pin? never heard of it
[07:51] <ForgeAus> I like pico
[07:51] <ForgeAus> nice and easy
[07:51] <ForgeAus> like a console version of notepad
[07:51] <ForgeAus> anyway I used kate
[07:51] <intelikey> ink pen
[07:51] <ForgeAus> its annoying you have to kdesu it tho
[07:52] <ForgeAus> anyway see you on the other side.... wherever that may lead
[07:53] <intelikey> heh pico
[07:53] <intelikey> pico is a symlink to nano
[07:55] <underdog5004> intelikey, seriously?
[07:55] <intelikey> look and see
[07:55] <intelikey> ls -l `which pico`
[07:55] <underdog5004> too lazy...can't browse...
[07:56] <asdfg> what's the package name for vi editor?
[07:56] <asdfg> i need to get it on my unix..
[07:56] <intelikey> !vim
[07:56] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[07:56] <underdog5004> ls: which pico: No such file or directory
[07:56] <snowrichard> vim
[07:56] <underdog5004> lol
[07:56] <asdfg> is it vim? vi is vim?
[07:56] <intelikey> underdog5004 you used the wrong quote marks.
[07:57] <underdog5004> VIM is VI Improved
[07:57] <intelikey> vim is vi improved
[07:57] <asdfg> because my old unix.. i ssh in and use the default vi.. i can't backspace with it!
[07:58] <underdog5004> intelikey, yep...it _is_ a symlink...how bizarre...any reason why?
[07:58] <asdfg> that's why maybe need new version of vi
[07:58] <underdog5004> asdfg, I prefer vim
[07:58] <underdog5004> more intuitive
[07:58] <intelikey> cause it's the same code underdog5004
[07:58] <underdog5004> but why even have it be differentiated from nano?
[07:59] <intelikey> some know pico some know nano.
[07:59] <intelikey> even if it's the same file.
[07:59] <asdfg> i don't like nano
[07:59] <asdfg> emacs?
[07:59] <underdog5004> do they have different controls or something?
[07:59] <asdfg> anyone use emacs
[08:00] <intelikey> man nano    man pico
[08:01] <asdfg> any helps on start up scripts? everytime i power on my laptop, i have to press ctrl-alt-f7 to get into xwindows..
[08:01] <intelikey> ah underdog5004 here is some usefull info on that Q   apt-cache show nano
[08:01] <asdfg> ever since i upgrade from dapper to edgy
[08:02] <intelikey> asdfg cool can you fix mine like that ?
[08:02] <intelikey> i'm kidding.....
[08:02] <asdfg> fix what?
[08:03] <intelikey> you mean it starts kde but never switches consoles from 8 to 7    ?
[08:03] <asdfg> !startup
[08:03] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[08:03] <asdfg> yup... its at 8 i think..or 1
[08:03] <intelikey> are you using kernel frame buffering for the vidio ?
[08:04] <asdfg> forgot..maybe i shd run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org
[08:04] <intelikey> yeah try that.
[08:04] <mena> hi intelikey
[08:04] <mena> how are you
[08:04] <intelikey> mena shalom
[08:04] <intelikey> good,  and you.
[08:04] <intelikey> ?
[08:04] <mena> good
[08:04] <asdfg> so should i not use the kernel frame buffering?
[08:05] <intelikey> asdfg well i just thought that's one of the few things that might cause that.
[08:05] <mena> Do you have experince in Amsn ....bec i wont o add to it a fonts its not on it so Do you have any idea
[08:05] <tamacracker> Anyone know the name of that GMAIL tray icon that lets you know when you have mail?
[08:06] <intelikey> mena no.  sorry i never have used amsn
[08:06] <mena> okay
[08:06] <intelikey> !amsn
[08:06] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[08:06] <mena> juano__, Is here
[08:06] <intelikey> !fonts
[08:06] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:07] <intelikey> mena the "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse)  might help you on that.  i don't know.
[08:07] <mena> okay i will see it
[08:07] <intelikey> !Multiverse
[08:07] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:09] <intelikey> tamacracker gmail specific ?    no idea.   i like xbif
[08:10] <ForgeAus> back
[08:10] <intelikey> err two f's
[08:10] <intelikey> xbiff
[08:10] <ForgeAus> two f's?
[08:10] <ForgeAus> xbiff? never heard of it
[08:10] <ForgeAus> whats xbiff?
[08:10] <tamacracker> yeah there's this program that puts a G icon on your tray
[08:10] <ForgeAus> and is it related to fibbx? lol (kidding)
[08:10] <tamacracker> you click it once and it opens gmail
[08:11] <ForgeAus> yeah you can get plugins for firefox to access gmail stuff too
[08:11] <ForgeAus> can even use it as HDD space on the net!
[08:11] <tamacracker> :P
[08:11] <intelikey> ForgeAus how goes the war ?
[08:11] <underdog5004> Gmail Notifier <[08:11] <underdog5004> I love it!
[08:11] <ForgeAus> not good
[08:12] <ForgeAus> coudln't use the recov console very well
[08:12] <ForgeAus> nothing seems to work in there
[08:12] <ForgeAus> it gets into it but doesn't seem to do much
[08:12] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, what are you trying to do in there?
[08:12] <ForgeAus> and the font is god-aweful
[08:12] <intelikey> hmm  missing lib's i persume
[08:12] <ForgeAus> probably
[08:12] <ForgeAus> no network
[08:12] <ForgeAus> no nothing
[08:12] <underdog5004> https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/173/
[08:12] <ForgeAus> fix my kubuntu underdog
[08:12] <underdog5004> Gmail Notifier ^^^
[08:13] <ForgeAus> it broke again
[08:13] <ForgeAus> underdog notifier? why settle for just that?
[08:13] <underdog5004> uh
[08:13] <ForgeAus> lol
[08:13] <underdog5004> what's wrong w/ it?
[08:13] <ForgeAus> this time seems to be ubuntu minimal
[08:13] <underdog5004> your box, not gmail notifier
[08:13] <intelikey> ForgeAus i hate to be the pesimistic killjoy but most likely you are in for a reload before you get that streightened out.
[08:13] <ForgeAus> awww
[08:13] <tamacracker> Intelikey... I cannot write to my drive..
[08:14] <tamacracker> ><
[08:14] <ForgeAus> intelikey yes you can
[08:14] <underdog5004> ubuntu minimal?
[08:14] <tamacracker> im tryin to create a new folder.
[08:14] <ForgeAus> just sudo or kdesu the program first
[08:14] <intelikey> tamacracker sure you can.  set the permissions
[08:14] <ForgeAus> yeah underdog the package ubuntu-minimal
[08:14] <underdog5004> tamacracker, sudo mkdir /path/to/dir
[08:14] <ForgeAus> some dud package I installed seemed to decide ubuntu-minimal was obsolete
[08:14] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, which is?
[08:14] <tamacracker> intelikey
[08:14] <ForgeAus> and added it to auto-remove
[08:14] <tamacracker> if i use right click, properties, and go to permissions
[08:14] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, let me guess...you auto-removed?
[08:14] <tamacracker> im not allowed to access them.
[08:15] <underdog5004> lol
[08:15] <intelikey> tamacracker# sudo chown -R tamacracker /storage
[08:15] <tamacracker> ok
[08:15] <ForgeAus> yeah I thought something was wrong with it at the time... I just didn't really know what I was doing nor did I really think hard enough about it before I did it
[08:15] <ForgeAus> but I was just trying to keep apt happy
[08:15] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, you can't just sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal?
[08:15] <tamacracker> intelikey, will it be permanently writable?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> um i can use the command but it doesn't work
[08:16] <intelikey> changes are permanant yes.
[08:16] <ForgeAus> I mean it accepts the command but the network doesn't get the files
[08:16] <ForgeAus> because it can't resolve
[08:16] <tamacracker>  sudo chown -R tamacracker /storage <- did nothing
[08:16] <tamacracker> did you mean -rw?
[08:16] <intelikey> no
[08:16] <ForgeAus> !uae
[08:16] <ubotu> uae: The Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator: Base. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.8.22-1 (edgy), package size 584 kB, installed size 2004 kB
[08:17] <tamacracker> i am
[08:17] <tamacracker> i am owner
[08:17] <tamacracker> this is my computer
[08:17] <intelikey> then it did something.
[08:17] <tamacracker> i want to access my computer's files lol
[08:17] <intelikey> so access them.
[08:17] <tamacracker> :\
[08:17] <tamacracker> it wont let me.
[08:17] <ForgeAus> try it again
[08:17] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, can you ping google?
[08:17] <ForgeAus> after chown it should let you
[08:17] <ForgeAus> underdog probably not
[08:17] <intelikey> open konqueror and browse ^ ^ ^ /storage
[08:17] <ForgeAus> do you want me to reset just to try that?
[08:18] <tamacracker> oh wait
[08:18] <tamacracker> im on gnome
[08:18] <tamacracker> maybe that's why.
[08:18] <underdog5004> bummer
[08:18] <ForgeAus> I'm assuming no... if it could do that there doesn't seem to be any reason apt-get wouldn't resolve dns'
[08:18] <intelikey> that's not why.  permissions are the same.
[08:18] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, oooh, major bummer
[08:18] <underdog5004> I'm no good at CLI config of network stuff...sorry
[08:19] <intelikey> tamacracker ok open nautilus and browse to /storage
[08:19] <tamacracker> ok im there
[08:19] <ForgeAus> same here underdog
[08:19] <intelikey> and do things.   you now own the dir.
[08:19] <tamacracker> lol
[08:19] <intelikey> rename move copy delete things.
[08:19] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, is that your only box?
[08:19] <tamacracker> intelikey
[08:19] <tamacracker> :(
[08:19] <ForgeAus> no but the other one is XP
[08:19] <tamacracker> i fully understand that chown lets me control my folder
[08:20] <tamacracker> but it's not happening.
[08:20] <underdog5004> ah...google around...
[08:20] <underdog5004> tamacracker, sudo chown username /path/to/folder
[08:20] <ForgeAus> whats not happening?
[08:20] <ForgeAus> what do you want to do with the folder?
[08:21] <intelikey> tamacracker ok.     pastebin the output of these commands.     ls -dl /storage ;mount
[08:21] <ForgeAus> copy a file to it
[08:21] <ForgeAus> make a new one?
[08:21] <ForgeAus> what?
[08:21] <tamacracker> sudo chown tamacracker /storage
[08:21] <tamacracker> yes?
[08:21] <tamacracker> i want to read, write, copy, delete, anything with my hard drive.
[08:21] <ForgeAus> its ext3 right?
[08:21] <ForgeAus> and you chowned it...
[08:21] <ForgeAus> so try copying a file to it, what happens?
[08:21] <intelikey> yes   pastebin the output.   ls  -dl /storage ;mount
[08:22] <underdog5004>                                                  tamacracker yep
[08:22] <underdog5004> chown == CHange OWNer
[08:22] <tamacracker> ok
[08:22] <tamacracker> im gonna do that
[08:25] <tamacracker> http://pastebin.com/871025
[08:25] <tamacracker> sorry pastebin hates me for some reason, takes forever to load up after i put the code in
[08:26] <intelikey> yeah it's really slow for me too tonight.
[08:26] <tamacracker> yep
[08:26] <notech> tamacracker: use pastebin.ca next time, it's much faster
[08:26] <intelikey> in fact i'm not sure i'm going to see that post.
[08:26] <d0uglas> is there an mdetect kidna thing, but for audio? funny thing, worked fine on the live cd, now i got nothing no matter which sound system i use.. messed with modconf, lspci reveals an intel ac'97 setup...
[08:26] <intelikey> ok you own the dir.
[08:27] <notech> pastebin.com has been very slow for me for me for months now
[08:27] <underdog5004> d0uglas, lspci
[08:27] <d0uglas> if i hit a volume button on my laptop kmix starts bugging out and i have to reboot
[08:27] <underdog5004> oh wait
[08:27] <tamacracker> http://pastebin.ca/332758
[08:27] <intelikey> and it's mounted rw  there is not any reason that you can't do anything you want in there.
[08:27] <underdog5004> nvm
[08:27] <tamacracker> :(
[08:27] <intelikey> tamacracker close nautilus and reopen it
[08:28] <d0uglas> lspci says i got an Intel Corp 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (1C H^ Family) AC'97 audio controller
[08:28] <intelikey> try that.  it may not have refreshed.
[08:28] <tamacracker> ok
[08:28] <tamacracker> it has to refresh?
[08:28] <tamacracker> i didn't know that
[08:28] <tamacracker> it works now
[08:28] <d0uglas> i do get a system beep
[08:29] <ForgeAus> grr gotta go back later
[08:29] <intelikey> i assume so.  konqueror does when you externally change things it's looking at.
[08:29] <tamacracker> i see
[08:29] <intelikey> so like i said you now own it you can do anything you want in there.
[08:29] <intelikey> and stop arguing with me.
[08:29] <intelikey> :)
[08:29] <d0uglas> hmm maybe i just dont have codecs fired up
[08:31] <spud> hello?
[08:32] <intelikey> tamacracker if you want to give other users full or partial access that can be done with the group permissions  and  the "other" permissions   by chown :their_group /storage    and chmod or using nautilus to adjust the access for the group accordingly.
[08:32] <tamacracker> yeah :P
[08:32] <intelikey> enjoy   and good luck to your penguin
[08:32] <d0uglas> Ahh hah! needed to chmod uoga+rwx /dev/dsp or add the user to the audio group or whatever
[08:33] <d0uglas> nice.
[08:33] <spud> yay vista hits shelves tomorrow
[08:33] <intelikey> d0uglas normally just adding to audio fixes that.
[08:35] <spud> anyone use kdevelop?
[08:35] <tanlaan> how do you format a drive? *im using a usb drive and want to format it*
[08:35] <spud> owww what the heck was that for?
[08:35] <intelikey> tamacracker just a note; it's good to remember the need to refresh things... could apply in the strangest places later on.
[08:36] <underdog5004> spud, vista? c'mon
[08:36] <tamacracker> ha yeah ill keep that in mind intelikey, thanks for your help guy :)
[08:36] <spud> the sooner it tanks the sooner my fam will switch to ubuntu
[08:36] <underdog5004> tanlaan, cfdisk
[08:36] <intelikey> tanlaan you don't format it.   you make a file system on it.    mkfs.<type> /dev/<device>
[08:37] <intelikey> tamacracker anytime.
[08:37] <underdog5004> tanlaan, oh, wait...that's for partitions...sorry
[08:37] <tanlaan> haha
[08:37] <underdog5004> spud...I don't know...vista _seems_ pretty stable...
[08:37] <tanlaan> intelikey: and making a file system automagically formats the drive
[08:37] <tanlaan> intelikey: :D
[08:38] <intelikey> tanlaan no.  you don't format things in linux.
[08:38] <intelikey> you just make file systems
[08:38] <spud> yea, but drm will piss them off real quick
[08:38] <intelikey> drm   !
[08:38] <spud> and when they realize aero wont work on their machines...
[08:38] <spud> hehehe
[08:39] <intelikey> what's "aero" ?
[08:39] <spud> aero glass=beryl/compiz/aqua
[08:39] <intelikey> hmmm ok.
[08:39] <spud> m$ playing catchup
[08:40] <tanlaan> intelikey: what is the difference?
[08:40] <intelikey> tanlaan in laymans terms there isn't any.
[08:40] <will> hey guys what's the command to copy a folder to a different directory (on a different hard drive
[08:40] <intelikey> in technitions terms one is a M$ thing the other is a *nix thing  :)
[08:41] <spud> im willing to bet aero wont be near as flexible/customizable
[08:41] <intelikey> will cp -a dir /new/location
[08:42] <kraut> moin
[08:43] <spud> i just hope my boss doesnt come into my office some day and tell me corporate wants to upgrade
[08:43] <will> gracia
[08:43] <intelikey> or in some cases cp -a /path/to/dir /new/location/to/copy/to    but you should man cp on that  you may want to cut the leading path form the copy.
[08:45] <spud> so is kde4 gonna be worth a poo?
[08:45] <intelikey> worth a poo to a poo i guess
[08:45] <spud> i see
[08:46] <spud> prolly gonna be super-resource intensive
[08:46] <Jucato> prolly? and this is based on?
[08:46] <Phlosten> spud: actually, from what I have heard it is supposed to be quite resource efficient
[08:46] <spud> whew
[08:46] <spud> i hope so
[08:47] <intelikey> well not all that glitters is gold  and as soon as the "new" wares off  (in here that takes about 3 weeks) then it's just some more trash that the developers should have never wasted their time writing...
[08:48] <Jucato> "should have never wasted"... and who's to tell them that? who should tell them what they should work on?
[08:48] <Jucato> bah
[08:48] <intelikey> but for the 6 weeks  before it releases  "it's gona be so much better than the old that if you don't upgrade you are a fool"    hehhe.
[08:48] <Phlosten> upgrade you fools!
[08:48] <spud> im just following the typical software flow... yesterday it needed 128MBRAM, now it needs 1GBRAM, ya know
[08:48] <Jucato> intelikey: on the contrary, they are not saying anything like that
[08:49] <intelikey> Jucato i'm just echoing public openion in this channel.
[08:49] <Phlosten> spud: i think you are confusing Vista with KDE
[08:49] <Jucato> your opinion is public opinion?
[08:49] <underdog5004> will, cp /path/to/source/* /mnt/device/foldername
[08:49] <spud> hey i love kde
[08:49] <Jucato> this is the first time I've heard that "public opinion"
[08:49] <underdog5004> whoa...sorry...time warp
[08:49] <intelikey> Jucato have you not watched the hipe before any thing new releases and the disapointment after ?
[08:50] <Jucato> intelikey: are you confusing the earlier discussion about Dapper/Edgy with KDE 4?
[08:50] <intelikey> Jucato no.
[08:51] <underdog5004> Aero blows compared to Beryl/Compiz
[08:51] <intelikey> i'm recalling what happened when breezy dapper and edgy released   the chatter that went through this channel.
[08:51] <Jucato> the KDE devs know it for a fact that KDE 3.5 (heck even 3.4 probably) will still be used for a long time, even after KDE 4.0. KDE 4 will only begin to settle in by KDE 4.1+
[08:51] <Jucato> intelikey: then you are confusing Ubuntu and KDE
[08:51] <spud> i have an example, i had edgy on my lappy... very slow, unbearable... installed dapper and now it flies!
[08:51] <intelikey> it may be confusing to you....
[08:51] <waylandbill> how can anything blow compared to alpha software that's not complete and not useful enough yet?
[08:52] <Jucato> it's not confusing to me. but don't apply "public opinion" of Ubuntu releases to KDE
[08:52] <spud> simma
[08:52] <underdog5004> waylandbill, maybe not useful, but very pretty
[08:52] <intelikey> it's not just *ubuntu.  it's any software.
[08:53] <intelikey> was the same when windows 95 released.
[08:53] <Jucato> "Disambiguation "KDE 4", did you mean "KDE 4.0"?" http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2600
[08:53] <intelikey> has been the same with everything that i have paid any attention to
[08:53] <underdog5004> more features == more required resources
[08:53] <spud> w3Rd
[08:53] <mena> is there an applet like forcequit wich its in ubuntu is like that for kubuntu
[08:53] <waylandbill> otherwise 640k ram would've been sufficient
[08:54] <underdog5004> mena, killall processname
[08:54] <spud> its all about that 640k
[08:54] <mena> okay thanks
[08:54] <waylandbill> there is xkill also.
[08:54] <spud> sudo killall -9 processname
[08:55] <intelikey> mena alt+ctrl+esc
[08:55] <spud> hahaha
[08:55] <spud> whered my X go?
[08:55] <spud> =(
[08:55] <underdog5004> waylandbill, I read a quote recently: Bill Gates: People will never need more than 640k RAM. Bill Gates: Windows 95 requires 64Mb of RAM. Conclusion: Nobody needs Windows.
[08:55] <intelikey> should give you a little skull and crossbones   click that on anything
[08:55] <spud> good call underdog
[08:56] <mena> intelikey, realy i will try it ......cool
[08:56] <underdog5004> thx
[08:56] <mena> intelikey, tnx man
[08:56] <waylandbill> underdog5004: see... truth is stranger than fiction. :-D
[08:56] <intelikey> mena np.
[08:56] <underdog5004> lol
[08:56] <mena> hahaha
[08:57] <mena> ^_^
[08:57] <intelikey> Windows 95 requires 64Mb of RAM ????  that's a lie.
[08:57] <spud> just got anime in here
[08:57] <spud> i thought it was 16
[08:57] <intelikey> no it's not even 8M required.
[08:57] <spud> win98 needed 64 i think
[08:58] <intelikey> and no 98 only required 16
[08:58] <spud> win98se?
[08:58] <underdog5004> well, whatever, you get the point...lol
[08:58] <spud> i wouldnt subject myself to such torture
[08:59] <spud> man windows sucks
[09:00] <intelikey> yeah same point.  but it's like saying kubuntu 6.10 requires 256m to run.   it does no such thing.  it requires 148+M to install via the gui installer  but to run 16M will run linux and 32m will run linux + kde  without swap.   (note it needs 64m if you do much of anything or some swap space one.)
[09:01] <spud> well we aint just gonna sit and stare at kde all day
[09:01] <waylandbill> that's just the OS. who needs to run software on top of that. the desktop is good enough to just look at. :-D
[09:01] <intelikey> but the required to run is the bare minimum.  not the comfort zone.
[09:01] <spud> i have 192mb dappers runnin ok
[09:01] <spud> i use opera of course
[09:02] <spud> ff just too slow
[09:02] <intelikey> spud yes i ran in 192m with no swap for a year  also on another box with 96m and no swap.
[09:02] <waylandbill> doing a bunch of compiling and 512 works for this laptop.
[09:02] <spud> i feel ya brotha
[09:02] <underdog5004> intelikey, you like to live dangerously
[09:03] <waylandbill> off to work. laters
[09:03] <intelikey> compiling is not very ram laydent    you can build the newest kernel in 32m ram  in the console.  no problemo
[09:03] <spud> anybody here use /dev/urandom to trick your boss into thinkin youre workin? =D
[09:03] <intelikey> underdog5004 danger ?
[09:04] <underdog5004> spud, lol
[09:04] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh...yeah...no memory left errors...
[09:04] <waylandbill> not with all the help documents open. :-D
[09:04] <spud> i thought i might get a laugh
[09:04] <intelikey> underdog5004 OOMK
[09:05] <underdog5004> spud, how do you do it?
[09:05] <musya> is there a way to backup your whole system?
[09:05] <spud> cat /dev/urandom
[09:05] <underdog5004> /dev/urandom...
[09:05] <underdog5004> ah, right
[09:05] <spud> then he looks at me like wtf
[09:05] <spud> and walks away
[09:05] <intelikey> spud /dev/random would be better for that.  it is not as fast.
[09:05] <intelikey> musya many ways.
[09:06] <spud> random waits for entropy, i need characters to be displayed quickly and erratically
[09:06] <intelikey> musya what is the destination of the backup ?
[09:06] <spud> gives a sense of urgency
[09:06] <musya> a way that backs up m settings, files....
[09:06] <musya> destiniation meaning directory?
[09:06] <flaccid> !backup
[09:06] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[09:06] <underdog5004> spud, I'm going to use that in the future!
[09:07] <spud> sweet
[09:07] <spud> did u try it?
[09:07] <musya> to have the bot find something you put! then the file?
[09:07] <intelikey> you do know that you may need    reset   after you cat /dev/*random   don't you.
[09:07] <underdog5004> yep...and I subsequently disabled all beeping notifications.
[09:07] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh...no
[09:07] <underdog5004> I didn't
[09:07] <spud> works fine here
[09:08] <underdog5004> why?
[09:08] <intelikey> clear wont fix the broken output.
[09:08] <flaccid> why do you need to reboot?
[09:08] <flaccid> wtf
[09:08] <intelikey> who said reboot ?
[09:08] <flaccid> what do you mean by reset
[09:08] <flaccid> reset what
[09:08] <intelikey> i mean reset
[09:08] <intelikey> the command
[09:08] <intelikey> try it.
[09:09] <flaccid> hmm why do you need to reset. i've never had to do that on unix
[09:09] <spud> im using yakuake, its workin fine
[09:09] <intelikey> you've never let   cat /dev/urandom run very long either.
[09:09] <underdog5004> hmm, ctrl + c isn't killing it...
[09:09] <spud> just long enough to make the man go away
[09:10] <intelikey> well it has a habbit of trashing the console/terminal output.    reset will normally fix it.
[09:10] <underdog5004> ok...just closed the konsole window
[09:10] <underdog5004> closed, opened, reset
[09:10] <flaccid> intelikey: i havnt. i've let it run for days :)
[09:11] <flaccid> htf can you read my mind ? hehe
[09:11] <flaccid> ok fair enough
[09:11] <flaccid> i wonder if the shell has anything to do with trashing the terminal
[09:11] <intelikey> could.
[09:11] <flaccid> or maybe its just linux
[09:11] <flaccid> :)
[09:11] <spud> hey now
[09:14] <spud> i wish there was a way to map sound thru xdmcp
[09:14] <underdog5004> hey hey hey, kde 3.5.6 is out!
[09:14] <spud> no packages for dapper tho =(
[09:14] <flaccid> isn't that the routine for lts?
[09:15] <spud> i guess... still sad
[09:15] <underdog5004> so...sudo apt-get install kde, right?
[09:15] <flaccid> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop i think
[09:16] <flaccid> !lts
[09:16] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[09:16] <flaccid> !support
[09:16] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[09:16] <RawSewage> is there a way to play H264 mkv files in Kubuntu
[09:16] <spud> underdog u have edgy?
[09:16] <RawSewage> it's all jerky or out of sync
[09:16] <underdog5004> bleagh, I forgot my cable service is broken...I'm downloading at dial up speeds...slow dial up at that!
[09:16] <underdog5004> spud, yep
[09:17] <flaccid> where can i read up on the LTS policy?
[09:17] <spud> didnt show up in adept updater?
[09:17] <intelikey> flaccid i think it is a lot more prone to affect the console than the terminal   xorg buffers that output pretty well.
[09:17] <underdog5004> !lts
[09:17] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[09:17] <underdog5004> hmmm, not what I wanted...
[09:17] <flaccid> intelikey: hmm ok. i know a new command now thanks hehe
[09:17] <underdog5004> bleagh, maxing out at 34 KBps...not fun!
[09:18] <underdog5004> and I pay for 4.3 Mbps
[09:18] <flaccid> thats better than dialup
[09:18] <underdog5004> Suddenlink sucks...
[09:18] <spud> kubuntu.org has the deb lines for your sources.list for kde3.5.6
[09:18] <flaccid> you talking in bits or bytes
[09:18] <spud> u might need them to get the latest kde
[09:18] <underdog5004> I've seen dial up at 50K
[09:19] <underdog5004> spud, uh...so what am I d/l'ing now?
[09:19] <underdog5004> flaccid, uh...Bytes
[09:19] <underdog5004> big B
[09:19] <flaccid> should always talk in bits
[09:19] <spud> thats faster than my dsl!
[09:19] <flaccid> for speeds
[09:19] <underdog5004> any particular reason?
[09:19] <flaccid> its the standard
[09:19] <flaccid> data rate
[09:20] <flaccid> i wouldn't complain about 34 kilobytes/sec
[09:20] <underdog5004> ah
[09:20] <spud> i will
[09:20] <underdog5004> I'm used to 500 from the repo's!
[09:20] <flaccid> when you say dialup what speed do you mean by 50K ?
[09:20] <underdog5004> 50 Kilobytes per second
[09:20] <underdog5004> I think...
[09:20] <intelikey> up / down  ?
[09:20] <flaccid> you do realise that is physically impossible
[09:20] <flaccid> even with burst
[09:20] <underdog5004> down
[09:20] <underdog5004> not sure about up...
[09:21] <underdog5004> maybe it is little b...
[09:21] <spud> sounds more like it
[09:21] <intelikey> yeah bits
[09:21] <underdog5004> flaccid, nothing's impossible with a little elbow grease...
[09:21] <underdog5004> or know-how!
[09:21] <underdog5004> yeah... 724B/s
[09:21] <intelikey> bits X 10 = bytes  ?   8 bit byte plus start and stop bit   ?
[09:21] <underdog5004> killer
[09:22] <underdog5004> bits X 8 = bytes...
[09:22] <spud> there are impossible things in this world
[09:22] <flaccid> thats incorrect. science...
[09:22] <underdog5004> I think
[09:22] <underdog5004> maybe your right...
[09:22] <flaccid> and also the protocol can't do that rate anyway...
[09:22] <flaccid> so impossible. physically yes.
[09:22] <underdog5004> v.92 can't? I know, nobody used it...but still...
[09:23] <flaccid> if you set it up modems won't be able to go at that rate
[09:23] <underdog5004> O RLY?
[09:23] <flaccid> the hardware is not rated at that rate to be able to physically de-modulate
[09:23] <spud> nice word
[09:23] <spud> de-modulate
[09:24] <flaccid> well modem does mean modulate :)
[09:24] <flaccid> afaik
[09:24] <intelikey> modem = MOdulate DEModulate
[09:24] <underdog5004> MOdulate/DEModulate
[09:24] <flaccid> oh yeah it does to
[09:24] <flaccid> there you go
[09:24] <flaccid> hehehe
[09:24] <underdog5004> lol, I win again
 afaik
 modem = MOdulate DEModulate
 MOdulate/DEModulate
[09:24] <intelikey> yep
[09:24] <flaccid> well thats true
[09:24] <flaccid> bit lame but
[09:24] <spud> an aardvark ate another apple
[09:24] <spud> whats that called?
[09:26] <spud> anybody?
[09:26] <translation> yes spud
[09:26] <flaccid> acid
[09:26] <intelikey> spud a lie ?    for $100
[09:26] <underdog5004> alliteration
[09:26] <spud> good job underdog
[09:26] <underdog5004> I win again
[09:26] <spud> woohoo
[09:26] <underdog5004> It's tough, always winning like this...oh well...
[09:27] <flaccid> irc is not about winning
[09:27] <translation> Does some oen here uses via k8m800?
[09:27] <spud> its about flaming
[09:27] <underdog5004> thank you, First of all, I'd like to thank my dad, who always supported me...
[09:27] <flaccid> indeed
[09:27] <intelikey> !botsnack
[09:27] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:27] <underdog5004> !flamer
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flamer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <spud> grrrr i hate linux im a troll grrr
[09:27] <underdog5004> Fuck you ubotu!
[09:27] <flaccid> !flaccid
[09:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flaccid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:27] <underdog5004> lol, now you do...
[09:28] <flaccid> heh
[09:28] <underdog5004> !life
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about life - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> hahahaha
[09:28] <underdog5004> !anything
[09:28] <intelikey> !botabuse
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:28] <underdog5004> !anything
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about anything - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> hehe
[09:28] <underdog5004> I love it!
[09:28] <AWOSLappy> yeah underdog5004, /msg ubotu
[09:28] <underdog5004> ouch
[09:29] <AWOSLappy> do you really think he deserves a +b?
[09:29] <AWOSLappy> even I did that when I first discovered ubotu.
[09:30] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> what is a +b?
[09:30] <spud> bots r funny
[09:30] <flaccid> ban i guess
[09:30] <spud> underdog u had me rollin
[09:30] <Jucato> +b = ban from the channel
[09:30] <AWOSLappy> He can never join again.
[09:30] <Jucato> but actually, he was not really banned.
[09:31] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> who is he?
[09:31] <Jucato> he was just "quieted"
[09:31] <spud> whos banned?
[09:31] <AWOSLappy> underdog5004
[09:31] <spud> no way
[09:31] <spud> for?
[09:31] <flaccid> its a ban alright just hasn't been kicked
[09:32] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> how come he get a +b?
[09:32] <DBO> AWOSLappy, he didnt get a +b
[09:32] <intelikey> !language
[09:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:32] <DBO> he got a mute
[09:32] <intelikey> and
[09:32] <Jucato> it's not a real ban
[09:32] <intelikey> !botabuse
[09:32] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:32] <Jucato> This mode works like +b (ban user), but instead simply quiets the user. It is currently equivalent to a +b whose masked is prefaced by the percent sign (for example, "+b %foo" is equivalent to "+q foo").
[09:32] <spud> oh cuz he said a swear word?
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Jucato but my client says "DBO sets a ban on ..."
[09:32] <flaccid> if he gets kicked can he re-join??
[09:32] <Jucato> AWOSLappy: "This mode works like +b (ban user)..."
[09:32] <AWOSLappy> Oh.
[09:32] <spud> what have we become
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> wow.
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> spud no...because he was playing with the bot
[09:33] <Jucato> AWOSLappy: read what I pasted
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> he was doing like !life and !anything
[09:33] <spud> oh no
[09:33] <AWOSLappy> Jucato I did.  I didn't realise that...
[09:33] <spud> cant have that
[09:33] <DBO> underdog5004, Im sure by now you've caught on, dont abuse the bot
[09:33] <underdog5004> whoa...sorry
[09:33] <Jucato> spud: he was unnecessarily playing with the bot, which is 1) flooding the channel and 2) can cause problems with the bot
[09:33] <Jucato> underdog5004: ^^^
[09:33] <underdog5004> DBO, gotcha
[09:34] <spud> keep your pinks off the bot udog
[09:34] <underdog5004> I was watching the whole time...just couldn't talk...
[09:34] <Jucato> underdog5004: yep. that's what the mute was for
[09:34] <intelikey> we know.
[09:34] <AWOSLappy> underdog5004 normally we do that in #kubuntu-offtopic though.
[09:34] <spud> very democratic in here
[09:34] <spud> i like
[09:35] <underdog5004> In soviet channel, you serve channel.
[09:35] <underdog5004> g'night
[09:35] <spud> later
[09:35] <intelikey> lol
[09:35] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> let's start a flame
[09:36] <spud> flame yay
[09:36] <spud> windoze sux @$$
[09:36] <Jucato> let's not
[09:36] <jurikkk> hello
[09:37] <spud> awwwwwwww
[09:37] <spud> dangit jucato
[09:37] <spud> can we talk about iran in here
[09:38] <intelikey> lets dont.
[09:38] <ubuntu_love_Kbun> how about the clasic gnome vs kde
[09:38] <Jucato> no
[09:38] <Jucato> !offtopic
[09:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[09:38] <spud> thanks ubotu
[09:38] <will> anyone want to talk about source lists and a butchered upgrade attempt by a newbie?
[09:38] <intelikey> lets dont.
[09:38] <intelikey> :)
[09:39] <will> Jucato: hey.  an old friend
[09:39] <intelikey> will what did you do to it ?
[09:39] <Jucato> will: what errors do you get now? and did you pastebin your sources.list so that we coudl check?
[09:39] <spud> changed all dappers to edgys?
[09:39] <tanlaan> umm, for some reason i cant install syslinux :\
[09:39] <tanlaan> im trying to make a bootable flash drive
[09:40] <will> Jucato: I don't know how to pastebin from the command prompt.  in fact, how do I check to make sure I'm even on the internet.  I'm concerned that could be BIT of a hang up
[09:40] <tanlaan> will i have to download and build it? instead of using adept
[09:40] <Jucato> will: oh yeah, you have no GUI right? hm....
[09:40] <will> Jucato: no gui
[09:40] <intelikey> Jucato i'm gonna leave it with you.   seeing that someone is here that can help.
[09:40] <tanlaan> *adept gives me an error saying i either cant download it or it would break other packages
[09:40] <intelikey> will gpm ?
[09:40] <Jucato> intelikey: I can't stay that long
[09:41] <will> intelikey: gpm?
[09:41] <spud> offtopic is dead
[09:41] <intelikey> well someone else can surely replace me.    this is not that hard.
[09:41] <Jucato> will: ok... what errors are you getting when you try dist-upgrade? and at which step did you stop in the upgrade guide?
[09:41] <intelikey> will gpm - General Purpose Mouse Interface
[09:41] <Jucato> spud: bring some friends over :)
[09:42] <intelikey> will  it's how we copy and paste from the console.
[09:42] <Jucato> will: GPM will allow you basic mouse functions even on a command line
[09:42] <elyon225> When locking a session, how can I prevent the screen save from coming up when another user logs in and then out again?  I'd like it to simply take them straight back to the login screen instead of prompting for a password.
[09:42] <nothlit> screen is also a great way to copy and paste
[09:42] <spud> friends? im on a computer, i have no friends =D
[09:42] <intelikey> but seeing that your installer is stuck....  or is it ?
[09:43] <Jucato> intelikey: he's trying to upgrade from Dapper to Edgy
[09:43] <intelikey> spud you also wont make many in here that way.
[09:43] <intelikey> Jucato yse i caught that much
[09:43] <topsy> I can't run any programs in kubuntu..Should i make some changes before i can do that?
[09:43] <intelikey> and has no gui now
[09:43] <spud> i think someone kill -9ed offtopic channel
[09:43] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah, typical edgy upgrade disaster
[09:43] <topsy> i have tried many different programs..but none of them runs
[09:43] <will> Jucato: when I try to update my sources it fails to download them
[09:44] <intelikey> topsy how are you trying to install them ?
[09:44] <spud> waddya mean intelikey?
[09:44] <Jucato> will: hm... you might have internet connection problems.  can you ping google? like "ping www.google.com"
[09:44] <intelikey> spud nothing.
[09:44] <topsy> i have tried to install them through command line..and throuh konqueror..
[09:44] <spud> =S
[09:45] <intelikey> topsy show me the command ?
[09:45] <will> Jucato: yeah I seem to be pinging alright
[09:45] <Jucato> will: in your sources.list? what servers are you using? us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[09:45] <will> Jucato: how do I get it to quit?
[09:45] <Jucato> will: Ctrl+C
[09:45] <intelikey> ^C
[09:45] <will> thank
[09:45] <will>  anoying
[09:46] <topsy> for example.../home/topsy/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[09:46] <nothlit> !webboard | will
[09:47] <ubotu> webboard: Copy and paste to a public pastebin server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 188 kB
[09:47] <Jucato> !flash9
[09:47] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:47] <Jucato> topsy: you can install Flash 9 from the repositories ^^^
[09:47] <will> jucato: yes I've got a bunch of us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ... lines
[09:47] <intelikey> topsy ok that would be more like this.   sudo sh /home/topsy/install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer-installer
[09:47] <Jucato> will: hm.. try removing all the "us."  from those lines, so that they will just be "archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu"
[09:47] <Jucato> will: then sudo apt-get update
[09:48] <will> Jucato: what was the link to that guide again.  sorry, I had to switch support computers and can't find it now
[09:48] <Jucato> !upgrade | will
[09:48] <ubotu> will: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:48] <intelikey> so the command syntax was wrong. in the sense that permissions were probably not set executable and you were trying with non-root pribvledges.     what jucato said is the "prefered" methood.  use the package manager
[09:49] <intelikey> @ topsy ^
[09:49] <topsy> okay..
[09:50] <intelikey> will w3m  or  w3b which ever it is,  is a command line web-browser that is installed by default.
[09:50] <will> Jucato:thanks.  ok, it seemed to do more this time on the apt-get update.  however, it still failed to download or ignored some index files
[09:52] <will> jucato: ok, I'm getting new stuff now doing the same things as a few hours ago
[09:52] <will> Jucato: I don't think my computer was connecting to our wireless lan earlier.  I'm on a wired connection now
[09:53] <Jucato> will: hm... ok. try the steps again, starting from the "sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade" step
[09:53] <elyon225> Could someone tell me how to use Lock Session properly?  Right now, when I lock my session, and my roommate logs in and then out, it doesn't take her to the login screen, but prompts for MY password to unlock my session.  How can I make it take her straight to the login screen (so my session just keeps running in the background)?
[09:54] <will> Jucato: that is still giving me the same error... D:unmet dependencies (xutis-dev). try using -f
[09:55] <will> Jucato: however, now when I use -f in place of -u, it complains that I do not have enough memory space in my cache folder
[09:55] <Jucato> will: try to proceed to step 4? the one with "sudo apt-get install..."
[09:55] <Jucato> will: hm...
[09:55] <Jucato> try "sudo apt-get clean" first
[09:58] <will> Jucato: I've backed up all important info.  So I'm going to try deleting a rather large folder out of my home directory.  sound good?  if so how do I delete a folder call "My Videos"
[09:58] <will> Jucato: apt-get clean didn't work btw
[09:59] <Jucato> Jucato: hm... after running apt-get clean, you still have the "not enough memory space" error?
[09:59] <Jucato> er... will ^^^
[09:59] <will> Jucato: yes
[10:00] <Jucato> will: try this command "df -h" and see if your Linux partition is really eating up that much space
[10:00] <will> Jucato: as far as I can tell I need to get xutils-dev.  when I do apt-get -f dist-upgrade I think it might be trying to get that, but I don't have enough space to dl it
[10:00] <Jucato> er.. no
[10:00] <Jucato> sudo apt-get -f install
[10:00] <Jucato> not -f dist-upgrade
[10:00] <Jucato> will: but, first try the commands in step #4 (or is it #5?)
[10:01] <will> Jucato: I got "df: cannot read table of mounted file systems
[10:01] <Jucato> hm.. nvm df
[10:02] <Jucato> will: try step #5 first
[10:03] <tanlaan> !build
[10:03] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:04] <will> Jucato: its complaining about the same xutils-dev being absent
[10:04] <will> Jucato: (after doing step 5)
[10:05] <Jucato> will: hm... the command in #5 complains aobut xutils-dev not being present?
[10:06] <will> Jucato: yeah then the next line says "unmet dependencies.  try 'apt-get -f install' with no pachkages
[10:06] <Jucato> ok, try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[10:07] <will> Jucato: oh yeah!  we're doing something!
[10:07] <Jucato> nice
[10:17] <will> jucato: it did it!
[10:17] <Jucato> nice
[10:18] <Jucato> now go on with the upgrade steps
[10:18] <will> jucato: I'm going to move on down the list and see what happens.  thanks for all of your help!
[10:18] <Jucato> you're welcome
[10:18] <will> Jucato: actually which step should I go to now?
[10:20] <Jucato> will: hm... good question... not sure if #4 or #5 though...
[10:20] <Jucato> try with #4
[10:34] <tamacracker> Jucato
[10:34] <Jucato> huh?
[10:34] <tamacracker> i have a question for you
[10:34] <tamacracker> a little bit ago
[10:34] <tamacracker> i mounted my slave drive
[10:34] <tamacracker> ext3
[10:35] <tamacracker> i have another ext3 hard drive on slave setting... can i shut off my pc swap the hard drives and still be recognized?
[10:35] <tamacracker> or do i need to remount?
[10:36] <Jucato> unless you are using UUID's in your fstab for those drives, you'll hve to modify your mount, because the /dev/hd** will change
[10:36] <tamacracker> well wouldn't they both be hdba1?
[10:36] <tamacracker> since they're both gonna be primary slave?
[10:37] <Jucato> ah you're going to take out the other one? hdb would be correct
[10:37] <tamacracker> only difference between the two is the sizes
[10:37] <Jucato> and yes, you don't have to change I guess
[10:37] <tamacracker> so the size won't make a difference?
[10:37] <tamacracker> alright im doin the freezer trick
[10:37] <Jucato> nope. afaik it won't
[10:38] <tamacracker> i gotta quickly back up my files from my hard drive that's in the freezer lol
[10:38] <Jucato> O.O
[10:38] <tamacracker> yeah the hard drive decided to lock up on me
[10:38] <tamacracker> so bios doesn't recognize it
[10:38] <tamacracker> and it just wont startup.
[10:39] <tamacracker> supposedly the freezing will unlock the heads
[10:39] <Jucato> oh...
[10:39] <tamacracker> so the quicker i can access the drive the better, that's why i was askin about the whole mounting part.
[10:41] <tamacracker> gonna attempt it now :P
[10:41] <tamacracker> brb
[10:41] <Jucato> good luck
[10:42] <tamacracker> Thanks :D
[10:43] <dwidmann> Jucato, I figure there's a 50-50 chance of that ending in tears.
[10:44] <Jucato> dwidmann: probably... that's why I wished him luck :)
[10:45] <premier_> does either gaim or kopete have use aol file transfers?
[10:45] <dwidmann> reason a) Linux sometimes rearranges the drives (sdc could become sdc, etc) and I doubt he modified his menu.lst to use UUIDs. reason b) Well, this is the "duh" reason
[10:45] <dwidmann> Kopete can't do AIM(oscar) transfers
[10:45] <premier_> is gaim supperior to kopete?  I used it, but its a little buggy
[10:45] <dwidmann> can't remember if gaim can, try it and see.
[10:46] <cpk1> gaim can
[10:46] <dwidmann> I thought so
[10:47] <premier_> it seems that it can.  Thanks
[10:47] <cpk1> kopete shows alot of promise
[10:47] <cpk1> and you cant beat nice integration
[10:47] <dwidmann> I think gaim might be a little bit more mature. Still, yeah .... that's the words I was looking for, yes, Kopete shows promise
[10:48] <flaccid> no 3rd party multi-IM will be stable from maturity
[10:48] <will> jucato:ok, I'm running into the disk space problem again
[10:48] <Jucato> will: sudo apt-get clean
[10:48] <Jucato> will: there are some footnotes at the bottom of that page
[10:48] <will> can you tell me how to delete a folder named "My Videos"
[10:48] <will> Jucato: I did apt-get clean. didn't help
[10:49] <dwidmann> will: rmdir
[10:50] <Jucato> will: go to that folder (cd <folder name>) then "rm *"
[10:50] <Jucato> dwidmann: not if it's not empty
[10:50] <dwidmann> I know Jucato, there's always the somewhat evil rm -rf for that
[10:51] <Jucato> dwidmann: which I don't want to bother him with just yet...
[10:51] <Jucato> will: a simple trick if your folder name has spaces, type "cd My" then press Tab and continue typing the folder name
[10:51] <will> ok, so can I delete the whole folder (including subfolders) somehow?
[10:52] <dwidmann> "rm -rf My\ Videos"
[10:52] <Jucato> will: to delete everything, including subfolders, just "rm -rf <foldername>"
[10:52] <cpk1> there is no return from rm -rf
[10:52] <Jucato> cpk1: he has no X, that's the only way to delete
[10:53] <dwidmann> if you delete it with rm, it's gone, and there is no recovery.
[10:53] <Jucato> but I'm still not sure why apt-get clean won't work...
[10:53] <premier_> Ive used aol's proprietary software, and the 3rd party stuff is so much better, even windows users dont use the aim client
[10:53] <cpk1> Jucato: i wasnt saying it was bad to do just making sure he knew that when you delete something you better be damn sure you made up your mind
[10:54] <dwidmann> premier_: I used to use it, there were some nice themes for it floating around if you looked hard enough
[10:54] <Jucato> cpk1: yeah. he mentioned earlier that he made backups
[10:54] <Jucato> I'm presuming he did backup his My Videos directory too
[10:54] <will> ok. I'm a moron.  what's the exact command to delete the folder /home/will/My Videos
[10:54] <premier_> dwidmann: (or anyone) do you know how to force wine'd programs to run in a "sandbox" window, like full screen games and stuff?
[10:54] <dwidmann> rm -rf /home/will/My\ Videos
[10:54] <will> and yeah, I've got this backed up on two other drives
[10:56] <cpk1> premier_: try -windowed?
[10:56] <cpk1> or --windowed or -window or --window
[10:56] <premier_> hey, guys, Ive got a problem with firefox.  I try to start it, but it keeps telling me that its already running and not responding, but I try "killall firefox" (mozilla, etc) and it doesnt work
[10:56] <will> got it
[10:56] <cpk1> premier_: look for a sneaky name in ps aux killall only works for exact matches
[10:57] <dwidmann> or if it's zombying, sometimes you'll have better luck with the kill command (kill -9 pid)
[10:57] <will> damn! still having trouble with free space.  That videos folder should have cleared up about 7 gigs
[10:58] <cpk1> will: how much space does df -h say you have?
[10:58] <premier_> dwidmann: what do you mean?
[10:58] <premier_> what will "kill -9 pid" do?
[10:58] <dwidmann> premier_: ps -A to list processes, along with their PIDs (Process IDs)
[10:59] <will> cpk1: do I need to be in a particular location to do that because I keep getting "df: cannot read table of mounted file systems
[10:59] <cpk1> premier_: stop the process imeadiatly without waiting
[10:59] <dwidmann> then kill -9 PID..... and it will kill that process, hopefully. Sometimes zombie processes can be really hard to kill though.
[10:59] <kashual> help need O_o
[10:59] <cpk1> will: no... thats kind of odd, does "mount" give you an error?
[10:59] <kashual> have try to install rageircd
[10:59] <premier_> 15695 ?        00:07:10 firefox-bin
[11:00] <premier_> why is this happening?
[11:00] <dwidmann> ahah
[11:00] <kashual> but install are gets error
[11:00] <dwidmann> killall firefox-bin should kill it, and if it doesn't, try kill -9 15695
[11:00] <cpk1> premier_: so try kill 15695
[11:00] <kashual> and now i cant no force 4 fix install or remove it
[11:00] <premier_> that works
[11:00] <will> cpk1:  I typed "mount"  (and thats it) and got nothing. just another prompt
[11:00] <cpk1> you should really only need to use -9 if it defuncts premier_
[11:00] <dwidmann> premier_: buggy software?
[11:00] <premier_> firefox?
[11:01] <kashual> sudo dpkg --remove --force-overwrite rageircd
[11:01] <kashual> (Lese Datenbank ... 101595 Dateien und Verzeichnisse sind derzeit installiert.)
[11:01] <kashual> Entferne rageircd ...
[11:01] <kashual> ERR: Not starting Rage IRC Daemon: unconfigured package. Edit /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf
[11:01] <kashual> invoke-rc.d: initscript rageircd, action "stop" failed.
[11:01] <kashual> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von rageircd (--remove):
[11:01] <dwidmann> Personally, I thought firebird 0.6 was more stable than firefox 2.0 is.
[11:01] <kashual>  Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[11:01] <kashual> ERR: Not starting Rage IRC Daemon: unconfigured package. Edit /etc/rageircd/rageircd.conf
[11:01] <kashual> invoke-rc.d: initscript rageircd, action "start" failed.
[11:01] <kashual> dpkg: Fehler beim Aufrumen:
[11:01] <kashual>  Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[11:01] <kashual> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[11:01] <kashual>  rageircd
[11:01] <kashual> what can i do 4 remove that package ?
[11:01] <cpk1> kashual: looks like you need to configure it if you want to use it
[11:02] <cpk1> kashual: possible the install didnt finish
[11:02] <cpk1> will: well that is wierd
[11:02] <kashual> :(
[11:03] <kashual> cant i just jump over an still remove this buggy install
[11:03] <dwidmann> will: lets hope that's not something you need to be really, really worried about.
[11:03] <cpk1> dwidmann: sounds pretty strange to me he cant use df and mount returns nothing?
[11:04] <will> lets hope
[11:04] <dwidmann> will: "sudo parted /dev/<device> print"
[11:05] <linopil> newest coreduo intel  onboard sound detected but  does not produce sound. Guys where to look for such issue ?
[11:05] <will> dwidmann: what do I put for device (I don't actually type device do I?)
[11:05] <ForgeAus> I'm ba-ack
[11:05] <dwidmann> will, depends which device your hard disk is
[11:05] <dwidmann> welcome back ForgeAus
[11:05] <tamacracker> Jucato... would you know why a hard drive doesn't start up, but it gets really hot?
[11:05] <ForgeAus> lol thanx dwid, sup?
[11:05] <dwidmann> for example will, mine is /dev/sdc
[11:05] <hanso> hey. my sound modules cannot load now and I get an error saying snd_intel8x0: disagrees about version of symbol ... Anyone have a clue about what's wrong?
[11:05] <cpk1> will: try hda1 for device, or if you do "cat /etc/fstab" that should list your hdd's
[11:06] <Jucato> tamacracker: sorry, no...
[11:06] <ForgeAus> tama that doesn't sound good
[11:06] <linopil> hanso me too with sound problem
[11:06] <tamacracker> Yeh Forge, I tried the freezer trick, but i only left it in there for 30 minutes
[11:06] <linopil> let us work it out together
[11:06] <dwidmann> hda, no 1 cpk1
[11:07] <tamacracker> i really don't want to lose the data in that hard drive -.-
[11:07] <ForgeAus> tama it may not be a question of that, you might already have lost it
[11:07] <will> cpk1 and dwidmann: my root is on hda1 and home is on hda2 and swap is hda3
[11:07] <dwidmann> use /dev/hda for the device
[11:07] <tamacracker> ><
[11:07] <cpk1> it works if you specify partition too, but parted wont tell you available free space
[11:08] <dwidmann> no, but we're wanting it to print the partition table ....
[11:09] <dwidmann> And the reason is to see if it will fail miserably or not, because df is going nuts.
[11:09] <linopil> any cline script to debug sound
[11:10] <dwidmann> !sound
[11:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:10] <dwidmann> might provide some resources
[11:10] <will> cpk1 and dwidmann: ok, I've got it.  what are we loooking for?
[11:10] <kashual> looooooooooool
[11:10] <kashual> have removed
[11:10] <cpk1> will: if it worked or not =P
[11:10] <kashual> 3 lil steps
[11:11] <linopil> !sound
[11:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:11] <kashual> need 1 remove rageircd in /etc/init.d
[11:11] <will> cpk1: it worked.  =p?
[11:11] <kashual> then 2 remove rageircd folder in /etc/
[11:12] <kashual> and at last run from bash apt-get remove -f rageircd
[11:12] <cpk1> well thats good i suppose mount and df are just deciding to be difficult
[11:12] <eeos> hi everybody! after yesterday updates the laptop is a bit of a mess. One of the users does not even connect to the broadband anymore.
[11:12] <kashual> u will seen that 1 package are shown as miss install
[11:12] <kashual> and becomes remove
[11:12] <kashual> :=)
[11:12] <ForgeAus> !WorksForMe
[11:12] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:13] <ForgeAus> good point
[11:13] <kashual> pls add this note by troubleshoot package rageircd
[11:13] <ForgeAus> thats my current problem... a dud "latest version"
[11:13] <kashual> :)
[11:14] <will> cpk1: this is what I get at the end of trying to apt-get -u dist-upgrade...
[11:15] <will> 616 upgraded, 52 newly installed, 1 to remove and 36 not upgraded.  need to get 470MB of archives. after unpacking 133MB of additional disk space will be used.  E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/.
[11:16] <linopil> !paste
[11:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:18] <cpk1> will: how big is your / partition?
[11:19] <ForgeAus> !botsnack
[11:19] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:19] <ForgeAus> !yum
[11:19] <ubotu> yum: Advanced front-end for rpm. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-3.1 (edgy), package size 197 kB, installed size 960 kB
[11:19] <linopil> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3432/ is that ok  to play sound ? now reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[11:20] <linopil> did not know ubuntu had yum repos
[11:20] <tamacracker> Forge, what does it mean when a hard drive doesn't spin but gets really hot?
[11:20] <ForgeAus> tama I'm ont sure it just doesn't sound good!
[11:20] <tamacracker> lol
[11:20] <tamacracker> ok
[11:20] <ForgeAus> linopil I don't know if it does
[11:20] <ForgeAus> I'd be suprised if there was
[11:20] <ForgeAus> rpms are for other thing...
[11:20] <ForgeAus> brb
[11:23] <will> cpk1: sorry.  got a little lost.  the root is on a 10g partition
[11:23] <cpk1> that should be more than enough...
[11:23] <wahyu> hai guys
[11:24] <cpk1> i am assuming /home has plenty of space
[11:24] <will> cpk1: well it should have atleast 7g of free space after we deleted my videos folder
[11:25] <will> cpk1: it's telling me not to forget to update /etc/fstab, if necessary
[11:26] <cpk1> will: what is apt-get is?
[11:26] <will> ?
[11:26] <ForgeAus> what is apt-get... advanced package manager - get (as in get a file/package)
[11:26] <ForgeAus> !apt-get
[11:26] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:27] <cpk1> will: what is telling you you might need to update your fstab? (you shouldnt have i would think though)
[11:29] <will> cpk1: do you think I should just burn some edgy CDs and do a clean install?  Have we exhausted all possibilities of upgrading?
[11:29] <wahyu> i have a question
[11:29] <waylandbill> simply put, apt-get is the backend for synaptic and adept.
[11:29] <wahyu> how to change the user image using system setting???
[11:30] <cpk1> will: ooohhh this is from an upgrade? did you botch the upgrade at some point (i ruined my upgrade when i did because I wasnt paying attention)
[11:31] <Jucato> wahyu: what/which user image?
[11:31] <KennethP> For reasons unknown to me my Kubuntu seems to half my Labtops CPU freq. Anyone knows where I will be able to control this myself? Been looking in System Settings without any luck so far.
[11:31] <will> cpk1: yeah, sorry. I should have filled you in on that.  I was working with someone else before.
[11:31] <wahyu> when i change it, it says the administrator not allowed to change it ... weird it is fresh install
[11:31] <eeos> how do I prepare a list of the packages installed on a specific machine?
[11:31] <wahyu> jucato: sistem setting =>> personal about me
[11:32] <Jucato> oh...
[11:32] <wahyu> i can not change the image
[11:32] <linopil> pls help with sound  ! http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3434/
[11:32] <cpk1> well i suppose that could explain why tools like df and mount are broken, just for fun pastebin the output of your /etc/fstab will
[11:33] <Jucato> wahyu: what does it say if you try to click on the box for the image?
[11:33] <will> cpk1: I changed all of the "dapper"s to "edgy"s in my source list using Adept.  It quit at some point.  I din't think it even finished the dl. I decided to hold off on the upgrade for a while, but then discovered I couldn't access SU in the gui
[11:33] <will> cpk1: I restarted, and found I couldn't login to the gui at all.  So I'm working in recovery mode now.
[11:34] <will> cpk1: how do I do that?
[11:35] <will> cpk1: the output, not the pastebin.
[11:35] <cpk1> will: "cat /etc/fstab"
[11:35] <dwidmann> KennethP: it's a power management feature
[11:36] <dwidmann> KennethP: it bumps it up when you're under heavier loads.
[11:36] <Vitor> Hi, I'm novice on linux and I want to use kubuntu, but the problem is I can't to run it on my HP Pavilion DV6129 Laptop.
[11:36] <dwidmann> Vitor, what are the specs on that system?
[11:37] <will> cpk1: I don't know how to pastebin from the command prompt (I'm talking to you on a different computer by the way).  however I do see something scary.
[11:37] <dwidmann> will, you might be able to do it if you install a program like elinks
[11:37] <KennethP> dwidmann: tnx. Is there anyway I can control this myself?
[11:37] <cpk1> if its small (one or two lines) go ahead and type it out i guess
[11:37] <dwidmann> KennethP, you might be able to disable it, but that wouldn't be a good thing for a laptop, the battery would drain faster.
[11:38] <will> cpk1:   /dev/hda1    /    ext3    defaults, errors=remount-ro
[11:38] <Vitor> dwidmann here is specs www.gerakaina.lt/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=367856&osCsid=40a207c727109f2b85c802896b8c7637
[11:38] <cpk1> will: there isnt like a 0 1 after that?
[11:38] <crazy_bus> Has anyone had success with installing Ktoon?
[11:39] <will> cpk1: "defaults, errors=remount-ro" is under options.  there is a 0 and then a 1 after that (for dump and then pass)
[11:39] <eeos> linopil yu do not appear to have the proper modules for your card
[11:39] <KennethP> dwidmann: Ok, I can see that. Being eager to learn, Is there a GUI to the Power Management?
[11:39] <cpk1> will: ok thats all normal
[11:39] <will> k
[11:40] <dwidmann> Vitor, I see it's a laptop, try using a kernel option like "acpi=off" when booting, some laptops have trouble without that.
[11:40] <linopil> eeos right http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3435/ now still silent
[11:40] <dwidmann> KennethP: I think so, it should be in system settings
[11:40] <linopil> eeos where is modules.conf?
[11:41] <linopil> no modules.conf in my system is that normal?
[11:41] <Vitor> ok, I'll try
[11:42] <will> cpk1: could that depency (xutils-dev) be absent because I'm in recover mode?
[11:42] <cpk1> will: arent you just in tty1?
[11:43] <will> ?
[11:43] <eeos> linpil please run alsamixed and set all volumes at 80%.
[11:43] <KennethP> dwidmann: Tnx. I'll clean up my glasses once more and go look for it...:)
[11:43] <wahyu> jucato: it says that the administrator not allowed me to change the image
[11:44] <wahyu> the strange thing is that i am the only user here
[11:44] <cpk1> will: when everything is working nicely and you start in a gui you are in tty7, everything below tty7 is a text console, i was assuming thats what you are doing right now
[11:44] <Jucato> wahyu: I'm having that problem as well...
[11:44] <wahyu> hahahah
[11:45] <will> cpk1: I'm in recovery mode at that moment
[11:45] <dwidmann> Jucato, wahyu, I believe I know the fix for that
[11:45] <wahyu> i installed the system
[11:45] <wahyu> then i want to change the user image
[11:45] <Jucato> dwidmann: do tell :)
[11:45] <wahyu> dwidman: please tel us
[11:45] <Jucato> ha wait
[11:45] <dwidmann> go to systemsettings or kcontrol, login manager (under system administration in kcontrol)
[11:45] <Jucato> lol  yeah
[11:46] <wahyu> i did that
[11:46] <dwidmann> users tab
[11:46] <dwidmann> user image source
[11:46] <Jucato> set User Image source to "user"
[11:46] <Jucato> right?
[11:46] <ForgeAus> hey jucato :)
[11:46] <dwidmann> indeed.
[11:46] <ForgeAus> guess what?
[11:46] <Jucato> hi dwidmann
[11:46] <Jucato> er..
[11:46] <Jucato> hi ForgeAus
[11:46] <Jucato> what?
[11:46] <will> cpk1: should I get out of recovery mode?
[11:46] <dwidmann> hi Jucato :P
[11:46] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu broke again!
[11:46] <dwidmann> :O
[11:46] <Jucato> wahyu: you have to restart System Settings after that (at least I had to)
[11:47] <cpk1> will: so you are just running of the live cd?
[11:47] <ForgeAus> lol dwid, probably...
[11:47] <ForgeAus> although I think it was a dual effort this time lol :)
[11:47] <wahyu> okk ill try
[11:47] <will> cpk1: I restarted and hit 'esc' and booted to the kernal in (recovery mode)
[11:47] <dwidmann> play nice, now however would I do that?
[11:47] <cpk1> oh then i dont think there is an issue
[11:47] <ForgeAus> how do you use recovery mode?
[11:48] <Jucato> ForgeAus: you boot into it
[11:48] <ForgeAus> I can't even get networking in it
[11:48] <ForgeAus> Jucato I did that
[11:48] <Jucato> you are then booted into a command line as root
[11:48] <Jucato> no X
[11:48] <Jucato> anyway, really going now
[11:48] <cpk1> I will admit though that you might want to consider installing edgy from scratch since you said your /home is already on a different partition you shouldnt lose any of that data
[11:48] <wahyu> dwidmann: in my another kubuntu box, i dont have to change it to user the default is admin
[11:49] <cpk1> you will have to reinstall anything you had installed with apt-get though
[11:49] <wahyu> dwidman: i can change the user image
[11:49] <wahyu> dwidman: but not in  this computer
[11:49] <linopil> no modules.conf in my system is that normal?
[11:49] <dwidmann> wahyu: Interesting
[11:49] <vbgunz> anyone know why the icons on the desktop reorganize themselves after every reboot? is this normal?
[11:49] <Vitor> Thanks dwidmann, "acpi=off" helps
[11:49] <will> cpk1: yeah, that's what I'm thinking.  oh well, not the end of the world.
[11:49] <dwidmann> Vitor: Ahh, that's good :)
[11:49] <will> cpk1:  thanks for all of your help
[11:49] <linopil> I am at this page for troubleshooting onboard sound ttp://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel on ICH7 intel
[11:49] <wahyu> vbgunz: normal
[11:50] <linopil> is that the right way ?
[11:50] <wahyu> vbgunz: if u dont want to reorganize them self. lock them!!!!!!!!!1
[11:50] <eeos> linopil use ubuntu wiki there are instructions for HDA module. search for HDA.
[11:50] <vbgunz> wahyu: I think this even happens if I have them locked
[11:50] <wahyu> what kde version u have there?
[11:51] <dwidmann> vbgunz, disable any sort of autoarranging features
[11:51] <vbgunz> 3.5.5, I think, Kubuntu 6.10
[11:51] <dwidmann> Which I forget if any exist.
[11:51] <dwidmann> I disable icons on the desktop altogether ... seeing as the mounted cdrom drives want to have icons show up on there even if I have that feature disabled.
[11:52] <linopil> eeos ok ty
[11:52] <vbgunz> dwidmann: I had it on directories first I think, but before that I remember having it on nothing I believe. I tried that thinking if it reorganizes itself, I rather directories go first *but* icons from all over get rearranged no matter directories or not :(
[11:52] <linopil> have exact link ? wiki.ubuntu.org? eeos ?
[11:52] <eeos> linopil wait
[11:53] <linopil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto eeos ?
[11:53] <eeos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto linopil
[11:53] <eeos> linopil :)
[11:55] <dwidmann> be right back, going to log out and in again to test something
[11:56] <dwidmann> :O aboutg time I figured out how to get that to stop showing up on there ...
[11:56] <linopil> wow eeos tis hell of a task HDAintel not so a plug'n'play
[11:57] <eeos> linopil no, not at all
[11:57] <eeos> :P
[11:59] <linopil> eeos:  is this a compile kernel routine in here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto ?
[12:00] <eeos> linopil no you only compile alsa as an external module
[12:01] <linopil> did that stage eeos http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3436/  sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[12:02] <eeos> linopil what do you want to know about this stage?
[12:02] <linopil> eeos: maybe I have latest alsa anyway >?
[12:02] <eeos> linopil no the last is 1.0.13
[12:02] <linopil> eeos: maybe some of it unneeded in my case
[12:03] <linopil> eeos: how do I check if mine is 1.0.13 ?
[12:03] <eeos> cat proc/asound/version
[12:03] <sploit> Hi, does anyone over here knows wheter the jmicron chipset issue is solved in the Feisty Herd 2 Branch ?
[12:03] <eeos> cat /proc/asound/version
[12:03] <eeos> sorry
[12:05] <sploit> anybody?
[12:05] <linopil> ok
[12:06] <linopil> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.12rc1 (Thu Jun 22 13:55:50 2006 UTC). eeos
[12:06] <eeos> linopil there you are.
[12:06] <linopil> is ALSADriver Version 1.0.12rc1  ok for HDA intel ?
[12:06] <linopil> eeos ?
[12:07] <linopil> god knows
[12:07] <eeos> linopil get a look at the changelog.
[12:07] <eeos> it depends on what version of hda you have.
[12:07] <eeos> linopil what is your card?
[12:07] <linopil> onboard coreduo ICH7
[12:08] <eeos> linopil chipset
[12:08] <linopil> Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[12:09] <linopil> 945gcl 801
[12:09] <linopil> should I upgrade alsa or not ?
[12:10] <eeos> linopil now you can go on alsa-project.org and check if thy have fixed bugs in changelog
[12:10] <eeos> linopil there you can also check if your card is supported, there is a database
[12:10] <linopil> in http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa/ftp/driver/ I see even 1.0.14
[12:12] <linopil> eeos:  I am looking here http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=ICH+southbridge+HD-audio+and+modem.&chip=ICH6%2C+ICH6M%2C+ICH7%2C+ESB2&module=hda-intel
[12:12] <tamacracker> the gaim channel has a really big a-hole in there.
[12:13] <eeos> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Intel#matrix search here for your chipset
[12:14] <sploit> whats the kernel version in kubunut 7.04? can't find it n google
[12:14] <sploit> ?
[12:15] <sploit> kubuntu*
[12:15] <eeos> sploit maybe in distrowatch?
[12:15] <sploit> thanx
[12:15] <goodthing> spoilt: http://packages.ubuntu.com might know
[12:16] <sploit> good idea :)
[12:22] <incorrect> is there anyway to stop firefox looking so ugly?
[12:22] <snpz_> hi everybody - i have a question about Epson ink printer maintenence support in Kubuntu? The printer i printing very well, but how can i get info about ink level, how to clean heads and so on? Installed escputil, but those functions are in terminal
[12:22] <snpz_> incorrect, true type fonts?
[12:23] <incorrect> well its all gtk based
[12:23] <incorrect> sorry i just did install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu
[12:23] <incorrect> if that helps
[12:23] <ForgeAus> you can theme firefox
[12:24] <ForgeAus> or you can use konqueror.... your choice
[12:24] <goodthing> yup, https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/themes/
[12:24] <snpz_> about that Epson ink printer maintenance - nobody?
[12:24] <ForgeAus> I think theres a crystal theme for it somewhere
[12:24] <eeos> snpz_ try mtink
[12:24] <ForgeAus> still not ideal mostly looks gtkish
[12:24] <ForgeAus> but if your kde uses its own theme for gtk windows you shouldn't have too much trouble
[12:24] <snpz_> eeos, is it gui?
[12:25] <eeos> snpz_ yeppy yeo
[12:25] <eeos> snpz_ works well on our printers
[12:25] <snpz_> and does other maintanance thing also?
[12:25] <sploit> looks like they're useing 2.6.20
[12:25] <sploit> linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (2.6.20.1-6)
[12:26] <ForgeAus> (set gtk preferences in system settings) under appearance
[12:26] <eeos> snpz_ yes
[12:26] <linopil> sudo ./configure  --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) --with-cards=<enter driver name here e.g. via82xx> --with-oss=yes eeos
[12:26] <snpz_> eeos, thnx
[12:27] <snpz_> will try
[12:27] <linopil> what is the name of my card  eeos ?
[12:27] <incorrect> i am not a big fan of konq
[12:27] <eeos> linopil I would not put the --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:27] <eeos> linopil I do not know, it deends on the chipset, please ./cofigure --help, you will get the list of cards with the name they have in alsa
[12:27] <linopil> I saw that here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting . why not kernel ?
[12:28] <linopil> OK eeos doing ./configure --help
[12:28] <eeos> linopil good
[12:29] <sploit> pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-5-386_2.6.20-5.7_i386.deb
[12:31] <eeos> linopil is it snd-hda-intel?
[12:32] <linopil> Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10-generic'
[12:32] <linopil> utils/link-modules /home/user/installers/alsa/alsa-driver-1.0.14rc2
[12:32] <eeos> linopil why are you installing 1.0.14rc2 and not 1.0.13?
[12:32] <linopil> yep found thanks to you ./configure --help  eeos
[12:33] <linopil> eeos very wrong eeos?
[12:33] <linopil> 1.0.14rc2 eeos?
[12:33] <eeos> linopil no, but it is less stable, it depends how good you are at fixing problems.
[12:33] <linopil> I am patient for a start eeos
[12:33] <linopil> ;-)
[12:35] <linopil> eeos do I need  restart after sudo make install ?
[12:36] <eeos> linopil you have to install all packages first. Better to restart, yes.
[12:37] <linopil> eeos what does alsamixer give me  .BTW already shows HDA intel on alsa mixer . tabs and space and enter adn arows work there ?
[12:37] <linopil> all packages ?
[12:38] <eeos> yes, you can use the arrows. yes ll pacakes recommended in the howto.
[12:38] <pedro> Hi everyone ;)
[12:39] <linopil> eeos
[12:39] <linopil> cat /proc/asound/modules
[12:39] <linopil>  0 snd_hda_intel
[12:39] <linopil> how far from finished is it now eeos ?
[12:39] <eeos> linopil have you installed all packaes in the howto?
[12:40] <pedro> I am having some problems upgrading beryl
[12:40] <pedro> http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=432818059
[12:40] <pedro> The text is in spanish but I think it is easy to understand
[12:41] <pedro> any sugest?
[12:41] <linopil> eeos link to howto is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto this ?
[12:42] <linopil> sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[12:42] <linopil>     *
[12:42] <linopil>       Add the line "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack" (change "3stack" to the model you need)
[12:43] <linopil> sorry big paste pals
[12:43] <linopil> eeos this step last one alsa-base not yet done
[12:43] <linopil> restarting bbl soon
[12:43] <eeos> linopil be careful with it, do you know what is your card?
[12:52] <linopil> eeos:
[12:52] <linopil> bk here
[12:54] <linopil> XVampireX: HI
[12:54] <linopil> Sergei ?
[12:55] <blindside_> big sex
[01:09] <linopil> howto restart alsa without restartin computer
[01:13] <linopil> how do I restart alsa after changing options /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[01:14] <flaccid> i'd like to know that too
[01:14] <flaccid> also isn't a service is it ?
[01:14] <flaccid> alsa i mean
[01:15] <linopil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigmaTel This page does not exist yet
[01:17] <flaccid> indeed
[01:17] <linopil> how do I restart alsa after changing options /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base apokryphos
[01:17] <flaccid> hmm same with this one
[01:17] <flaccid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/flaccidHasBigBalls
[01:17] <flaccid> !ask
[01:17] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:17] <flaccid> oops wrong one
[01:17] <apokryphos> linopil: sudo /etc/init.d/alsasound restart? (or something similar)
[01:18] <flaccid> if someon has the answer, they will respond
[01:18] <linopil> tyvm apokryphos
[01:20] <linopil> sudo ./alsasound restart
[01:20] <linopil> Shutting down sound driver: !!!alsactl not found!!! done
[01:20] <linopil> whereis what is alsactl
[01:20] <flaccid> there is this /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[01:20] <flaccid> heh i don't even have that
[01:21] <flaccid> !alsa
[01:21] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:21] <flaccid> heh since when is ubuntu dependant on arts ffs
[01:21] <flaccid> you don't even need the kde sound system especially if you are running alsa
[01:21] <flaccid> omg. so put off ubuntu :(
[01:29] <akrus> wow amaroK <3
[01:29] <akrus> reading CUE files automatically
[01:30] <linopil> eeos: ?
[01:30] <linopil> still no joy with sound
[01:32] <eeos> linopil was away
[01:33] <eeos> linopil did you set volume to 80% with alsamixer?
[01:35] <linopil> eeos why 80%
[01:35] <eeos> linopil not too loud :)
[01:35] <linopil> formerly kmix showed with no red x now red x
[01:36] <eeos> linopil no kmix
[01:36] <eeos> linopil use alsamixer
[01:36] <linopil> eeos Iam a little exhausted and under delivery pressure
[01:36] <linopil> trying alsamixer
[01:36] <eeos> linopil "delivery pressure"?
[01:37] <linopil> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[01:38] <linopil> yep this PC eeos is for a customer
[01:38] <eeos> linopil ???? are you on broadband? give me the ip address, user, password
[01:38] <linopil> maybe borked with alsa-base
[01:39] <linopil> wanna play with remote desktop ? eeos ? be my guest
[01:39] <linopil> go pm PLS
[01:46] <Mightily-Oats> hey all, been here whining about a hdd ticking recently.. found a way to fix it and i was jusut wondering if this solution had any un-desirable effects?
[01:47] <flaccid> is the solution hard or soft and what is it
[01:47] <Mightily-Oats> i used hdparm to set Advanced Power Management level to disabled
[01:47] <Mightily-Oats> and also to set standby to off
[01:47] <flaccid> thats a good thing
[01:47] <flaccid> not bad
[01:47] <pedro> hey guys!
[01:47] <flaccid> sounds like your drive may of had troubles with apm so disabling fixed it
[01:48] <pedro> I am having problems with beryl and python
[01:48] <flaccid> power management whether apm or acpi is not a dependency of a hard disk
[01:48] <pedro> I use Kubuntu edgy and I have installed beryl via aptitude
[01:48] <Jucato> !beryl | pedro
[01:48] <ubotu> pedro: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:48] <pedro> now I have broken packages, having problems with python2.5-minimal
[01:49] <pedro> But I don't use xgl, I have install nvidia beta drivers
[01:49] <Jucato> pedro: #ubuntu-xgl is the channel for all xgl, aiglx, compiz, and beryl inflicted problems
[01:49] <Mightily-Oats> ok.. cool..my origional hdd had the same issues.. and when u hear a hdd ticking for no reason.. alarm bells rang.. got a second hdd and wacked it in.. different brand and still had the same problem... looking around i played with the laptop-mode config and found that running laptop-mode stopped the ticking.. and.. more specifically.. hdparm in the laptop-mode stopped it
[01:50] <Jucato> err... beryl "related" problems...
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> so i figured id oost in here just incase anyone else is struggling with the prob.. or u guys hear of someone else having a ticking hdd issue
[01:51] <Mightily-Oats> *post
[01:53] <john-nrc> hi
[01:55] <ocb58> how do i create another user with the same rights as the current one in 5.10?
[01:59] <john-nrc> \list
[02:06] <Jucato> anyone familiar with GPG around? If I reformat/reinstall or removed my ~/.gnupg directory, do I lose my key?
[02:06] <carsten_> hi - first time ubuntu user w/ some linux experience. q: i got this Kubuntu cd from a friend. How do i know which release i'm using?
[02:07] <Jucato> carsten_: once inside, launch Konsole and type "lsb_release -a"
[02:07] <carsten_> Jucato: codename: edgy. Thanks!
[02:08] <flaccid> huh jucy
[02:08] <flaccid> if the files gone, its gone?
[02:08] <Jucato> flaccid: what do you mean? about my question? it's a "what if" question... I still have the files (luckily)
[02:08] <flaccid> oh ok
[02:09] <flaccid> um why does gpg not like the restored .gnupg ?
[02:10] <Jucato> flaccid: huh? no. it's still there. I'm just wondering... trying to learn all these GPG stuff...
[02:10] <flaccid> oh
[02:11] <flaccid> um
[02:11] <Jucato> it's still alien technology as far as I'm concerned :)
[02:11] <Jucato> sorry for bothering you :)
[02:11] <flaccid> i aint used gpg on linux, but its in your home folder so it should just use it yeah?
[02:11] <Jucato> yep, it's in ~/.gnupg
[02:11] <flaccid> gpg has been used for a very long time now. very not alien.
[02:11] <flaccid> give it a try?
[02:12] <Jucato> "as far as I'm concerned" :)
[02:12] <Jucato> yes I've tried it. I needed to make one to sign the CoC
[02:12] <flaccid> and it worked?
[02:13] <Jucato> uhuh. I just followed the guide from !gpg to the letter
[02:13] <flaccid> ok so there is no problem?
[02:13] <Jucato> no real problem...
[02:13] <Jucato> basically, I'm a moronic guy who just followed a step by step tutorial without knowing/understanding what it's all about... which I don't like... :P
[02:14] <flaccid> ah ok
[02:14] <flaccid> i guess thats linux for ya as you know
[02:14] <flaccid> um gpg is awesome
[02:15] <flaccid> but its the practical side of encrypting and decrytping that a pain
[02:15] <flaccid> i've seen some programs on windows do well at it. but never something on linux to manage it when its used with something like email
[02:15] <Jucato> so I've heard... which is why I'm curious about it... you wouldn't happen to know of a beginner's guide about it?
[02:15] <flaccid> um
[02:16] <waylandbill> I use gpg to sign email... almost noone else i know uses it tho.
[02:16] <flaccid> well its really basic the infrastructure. i havnt used it for a long time. i guess maybe tls has been used in favour, but that is still not something easily available
[02:16] <flaccid> i guess google is your best chance at trying to make it easy and not a pain in the asss
[02:20] <Jucato> !flash64
[02:20] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[02:20] <linopil> when was eeos ?
[02:20] <dwidmann> Jucato, but that's not Konqueror :P
[02:20] <[StingRay] > Hi all. Is somebody here using tighvnc? I have a keycode offset and I need a little help.
[02:20] <Jucato> oh yeah lol
[02:20] <dwidmann> I have to rebuild kdebase with a patch by the looks of things
[02:21] <linopil> Jucato:  ever come across firefox exiting in some pages like gmail and others
[02:21] <linopil> flsh problem in firefox or java?
[02:21] <Jucato> linopil: sorry, I so very rarely use Firefox
[02:22] <linopil> what do you use Jucato
[02:22] <Jucato> konqueror
[02:22] <flaccid> fish gives me the shits in krusader sometimes
[02:22] <linopil> OK but nice features in gmail and yahoomail wok only in firefox or IE
[02:23] <Jucato> waylandbill: heh KDE through and through :)
[02:23] <flaccid> thats not kubuntu's fault, linopil
[02:23] <flaccid> its gmail and yahoo..
[02:23] <linopil> Jucato: firefox needs to be tuned
[02:23] <Jucato> linopil: most of Gmail works in Konqueror if you set the Browser Identifcation to Firefox 1.5.0.4 or Safari
[02:23] <linopil> Jucato: will try that
[02:23] <flaccid> how does firefox need to be tuned?
[02:24] <Jucato> and I don'l like Yahoo's fancy new AJAX e-mail anyway...
[02:24] <Jucato> it's nice and all... but ads..
[02:24] <flaccid> roundcube is the best ajax webmail
[02:24] <dwidmann> adblock?
[02:24] <waylandbill> Jucato: even yahoo groups is overrun with ads now.
[02:24] <Jucato> waylandbill: what are those? hehehe
[02:24] <waylandbill> :)
[02:24] <Jucato> I have abandoned yahoo years ago... not because of the ads though
[02:25] <Jucato> the ads are not really *that* annoying... just a bit...
[02:25] <flaccid> i prefer opera/imap
[02:25] <Jucato> kmail solves those :)
[02:26] <Jucato> I only have to go to Gmail directly to mark mails as read or delete junk
[02:26] <waylandbill> there's some mailing lists I'm on that the admins decided to use yahoo groups.
[02:26] <dwidmann> I wish my host would use IMAP instead, but it doesn't, so I settle for pop3
[02:27] <flaccid> pop sux :)
[02:28] <dwidmann> better pop3 than webmail
[02:28] <flaccid> well for gmail. i have no choice either.
[02:29] <ocb58> how can i disable the kde login?
[02:30] <flaccid> well pop sux coz if leaves you to backup and no webmail as messages aint stored on server and when you try to it always fucks up
[02:30] <flaccid> ocb58: i wish i knew an easy way
[02:31] <dwidmann> Jucato, pop3 is your basic email with an email client, your client downloads the emails and stores them on your computer, and unless you specify otherwise also deletes them from the server. I believe IMAP keeps all on the server and you fetch from the server as neccessary, or something along those lines. Can't remember
[02:31] <Jucato> heh thanks for the crash course
[02:32] <flaccid> well thats pretty much it
[02:32] <linopil> where do I find libdvdcss
[02:32] <flaccid> leave it to your hosting to back up email. better than relying on your desktop with an arbitary network connection..
[02:32] <flaccid> !libdvdcss
[02:32] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[02:32] <pedro> I am trying to solve six hours ago a problem with dependencies, any help?
[02:33] <flaccid> pedro: install the deps
[02:33] <pedro> I have installed everything, but the system doesn't want to configure python2.5-minimal
[02:33] <flaccid> pastebin error ?
[02:33] <pedro> and so python2.5 and other packages are not configurated
[02:33] <pedro> ok, now I paste it
[02:35] <linopil> !w32codecs
[02:35] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[02:35] <pedro> http://pastebin.com/871206
[02:35] <pedro> Here it is
[02:35] <pedro> I wait someone can help me
[02:35] <flaccid> i can only understand english sorry
[02:36] <flaccid> !spanish
[02:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[02:36] <pedro> sorry
[02:36] <flaccid> um
[02:36] <flaccid> there is some stuff i can read but its not helping
[02:37] <dwidmann> oh yay, another 35mb of build deps to download :\
[02:37] <flaccid> the stuff at the top traceback could be crucial
[02:37] <dwidmann> and here I thought I had installed those months ago
[02:37] <nalioth> Jucato: you here?
[02:37] <Jucato> nalioth: yes
[02:37] <nalioth> not in #kubuntu-offtopic :(
[02:37] <dwidmann> flaccid: google translator?
[02:38] <flaccid> hmm pedro i think you need a spanish dude
[02:38] <flaccid> or point me to english version before i fall asleep as a drunk :)
[02:38] <pedro> dude?
[02:38] <pedro> what does it mean?
[02:38] <flaccid> sorry
[02:38] <flaccid> a spanish person
[02:38] <dwidmann> guy
[02:38] <pedro> ah
[02:38] <flaccid> which would be you?
[02:38] <pedro> ok
[02:39] <pedro> I still don't know some english terms
[02:39] <pedro> ;)
[02:39] <flaccid> um
[02:39] <pedro> in Kubuntu-es I cannot get help
[02:39] <linopil> funny ammoying thing in kubuntu how do I make session be forgotten (unsaved)
[02:39] <flaccid> ValueError: error parsing Python-Version attribute
[02:39] <flaccid> that aint good
[02:39] <flaccid> um
[02:39] <pedro> and I thought my english will be suficient to get help here
[02:39] <linopil> so it wont start same things on next session kubuntu edgy
[02:40] <flaccid> linopil: thats in settings somewhere . hard to remember sorry
[02:40] <linopil>  s/ammoying/annoying
[02:40] <flaccid> yeah i disabled it too linopil
[02:40] <dwidmann> linopil, easy way would be to close things you don't want and resave your session
[02:41] <tajski> dsafasdf
[02:41] <dwidmann> pedro: it is, but your konsole's spanish isn't
[02:41] <linopil> so ho do you resave dwidmann
[02:42] <dwidmann> linopil: k-menu -> save session
[02:42] <flaccid> linopil: goto kcontro -> session manager. there is the settings to change.
[02:42] <pedro> jeje
[02:42] <flaccid> sorry chico i think no luck non-comprendo
[02:43] <flaccid> i think i need whole thing english
[02:43] <pedro> I can tell you that the message most important in pastebin is that there is problems procesing python2.5-minimal
[02:43] <Jucato> Italian*
[02:43] <flaccid> it would take like an hour to ask you to translate little parts of it
[02:43] <dwidmann> pedro, I'm going to take a look at it in google translator
[02:43] <pedro> ok
[02:44] <pedro> thanks
[02:44] <flaccid> chico is man in spanish ?
[02:44] <flaccid> hang on a sec. u speak spanish, jucy ?
[02:45] <flaccid> arnt you spanish fillo or are you fillo
[02:45] <flaccid> or have i got the wrong chico here heheh
[02:46] <dwidmann> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.com%2F871206&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[02:50] <dwidmann> looks like python2.5 isn't installed correctly, what do you get when you try to do this pedro: "sudo aptitude install python2.5"
[02:50] <flaccid> heh im' still waiting for google to translate
[02:50] <dwidmann> Keep in mind, this may require you to be using edgy and not dapper, I'm not sure if the beryl repos include python2.5 or not
[02:51] <pedro> when I try to do that it says to me it cannot do it because of problem configuring python2.5-minimal
[02:51] <dwidmann> Hmm, about 25mb, I figure building this oughta take about 20-30 minutes :\
[02:51] <pedro> maybe it can be because of broken dependencies of python2.5-minimal
[02:52] <pedro> but how can I know it?
[02:52] <dwidmann> Hmm, pedro, try running "sudo aptitude install python2.5-minimal", maybe it will give a different error message
[02:52] <flaccid> heh i get server error on trying to load the translated page
[02:53] <pedro> I have tried it
[02:53] <pedro> I get the same error message
[02:53] <jkjk> Oh man i locked myself out :( The only user on this system is me (root is not activted) and i did "sudo usermod -G vboxusers me" not knowing that i had to add ALL groups.. no i can't sudo anymore to change that! What do i do ?
[02:53] <dwidmann> pedro: try "sudo aptitude remove python2.5 python2.5-minimal && sudo aptitude install python2.5"
[02:54] <algm> hi ppl
[02:54] <flaccid> jkjk: pastebin error
[02:54] <Tm_T> jkjk: :o
[02:54] <dwidmann> jkjk: reboot in recovery mode
[02:54] <dwidmann> then add yourself to the admin group
[02:54] <pedro> ok, let's do it
[02:54] <dwidmann> jkjk: "sudo adduser username admin"
[02:55] <flaccid> if you are not in the admin group boot into single user mode and add yourself
[02:55] <jkjk> ok thanks guys i'll try that now...
[02:56] <carsten_> trying to install bind -- "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[02:56] <carsten_> but where do i find out where the error occurred?
[02:56] <flaccid> probably google
[02:57] <Jucato> carsten_: that's from Adept?
[02:57] <carsten_> Jucato: yep
[02:57] <Jucato> carsten_: try installing using apt-get instead
[02:57] <Jucato> gives you more useful error messages
[02:57] <flaccid> oh
[02:58] <flaccid> so adept shows generic message not actual?
[02:58] <Jucato> flaccid: yep
[02:58] <Jucato> which reminds me...
[02:58] <flaccid> man that sux if it don't bring up console. coz linux aint ready for gui only package management
[02:58] <Jucato> actually, it doesn't really absolutely *need* to show you the error messages
[02:58] <ScarFreewill> can some one tell me how to use or show me a how-to page for mysql-admin?
[02:58] <flaccid> i dont see why not its only going to be of help and save time
[02:58] <Jucato> if your request action will break some dependencies, it will show in the Preview Changes and in the status bar
[02:59] <Jucato> the *real* problem is the workflow of Adept
[02:59] <flaccid> the real problem is algorithms to handle transparency package management :)
[02:59] <frojnd> I am trying to install configure samba for XP user, so 1. I make new UNIX user, 2. install samba, 3. tryed to make samba user but I don't understand something:
[02:59] <Jucato> flaccid: if you have great ideas about that, #kubuntu-devel is the place to go :)
[03:00] <carsten_> haha, i'm being stupid. /etc/resolv.conf was already set to 127.0.0.1, but bind wasn't installed yet. no wonder adept couldn't grab the package
[03:00] <flaccid> Jucato: i have great ideas, just don't feel like wasting my time expressing them. been there done that :)
[03:00] <linopil> frojnd: google: "quick and dirty" samba
[03:00] <frojnd> sudo smbpasswd -a system_username, gksudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers ->insert the following line into the new file: system_username = "network username"
[03:01] <Jucato> flaccid: by great ideas, I mean ideas on how to "technically" implement those ideas, not just rants/whines :)
[03:01] <frojnd> I added in editor: username = "network username"
[03:01] <frojnd> is this correct?
[03:01] <flaccid> !samba > frojnd
[03:01] <frojnd> don't samba to me
[03:01] <frojnd> this is by tutorial also!
[03:01] <frojnd> I am asking for sytaxes...
[03:01] <flaccid> Jucato: both ways i have wasted my breathe in the past. not doing it again. politics are shite
[03:01] <frojnd> what is meant here system:username
[03:02] <frojnd> *system_username
[03:02] <flaccid> um go learn samba?
[03:02] <flaccid> there is shitloads of docs on the site
[03:02] <dwidmann> I find the easiest way to configure samba is with kcmsambaconf (part of the kdenetwork-filesharing package if I remember right)
[03:02] <flaccid> easiest way to manage samba is learning it + swat
[03:02] <frojnd> flaccid
[03:02] <linopil> flaccid: offer him real help or ignore him pl s do not annoy him
[03:02] <frojnd> I am learning it!
[03:02] <frojnd> for FFS
[03:03] <ScarFreewill> is there a nother gui app that i can use to long in to a mysql db execpt mysql-admin?
[03:03] <frojnd> I just don't get what is syntax and what is my username
[03:03] <flaccid> give me a real error and i'll tell you the solution...
[03:03] <dwidmann> scarfreewill, I recall there being php based mysql admin interfaces, can't recall what it would be called though.
[03:03] <flaccid> oh ok its smb://user:password@domain.foo.bar
[03:03] <frojnd> flaccid: maybe u'll understand what I am asking: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add.2Fedit.2Fdelete_network_users
[03:04] <frojnd> please check 3 lines..
[03:04] <dwidmann> phpmyadmin - set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW
[03:04] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i'll google for that thx...
[03:04] <flaccid> and what is the problem frojnd
[03:04] <frojnd> flaccid it's not an error, I just don't know what is "mynewusername" for samba...
[03:04] <dwidmann> It would require php to be installed though ScarFreewill, but it's an option if you don't mind the added overhead
[03:05] <flaccid> smbusers is a username map. system user to samba user.
[03:05] <linopil> frojnd: this  http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 was very helpful to me. real time saver
[03:05] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i've got php, so thx will try that,,
[03:05] <dwidmann> phpmyadmin is what my host uses, works well enough anyway
[03:05] <frojnd> system_username = "network username" system_username=username? for  "network username" I leave blank?
[03:05] <linopil> cp bkp your smb.conf and make it anew with http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251
[03:06] <flaccid> no
[03:06] <flaccid> samba.org <-- have you even looked?
[03:06] <flaccid> sorry to be rude
[03:06] <linopil> samba configuring may be  very tiring job
[03:06] <frojnd> oh gosh :)
[03:06] <flaccid> flaccid = flaccid <---- if my shell username and samba username are the same
[03:06] <linopil> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 again dont pls send frojnd to read tons flaccid
[03:07] <frojnd> flaccid:! THX !!!!!!!!! :)
[03:07] <flaccid> why not
[03:07] <frojnd> all those words just for these...
[03:07] <flaccid> don't people want to learn things these days ??
[03:07] <frojnd> I was asking for that.
[03:07] <frojnd> flaccid: I need samba just for sharing on LAN
[03:07] <flaccid> if you are editing files manually obviously you are avoiding the GUI which in this case woudl be kcontrol -> samba...
[03:07] <flaccid> use the gui then
[03:07] <frojnd> how
[03:08] <linopil> question solution is important then plp who like will study
[03:08] <flaccid> with a mouse and keyboard usually :)
[03:08] <frojnd> everytime I wanna use gui something goes wrong..
[03:08] <dwidmann> kcontrol -> internet ->samba :)
[03:08] <frojnd> flaccid :) my mouse is evil
[03:08] <flaccid> reading is not study sometimes. a lot of time its required to solve the problem.
[03:09] <eeos> re
[03:09] <flaccid> and samba.org kills http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251
[03:09] <linopil> step by step instructions can save newcomers
[03:09] <dwidmann> I can have samba configured and running for my tiny network in 60 seconds flat (per computer, of course)
[03:09] <linopil> http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/20/207251 yes. good one
[03:09] <flaccid> pretty shit if you ask me
[03:10] <linopil> tyvm politeness always
[03:10] <frojnd> flaccid: not shit, but limited actions!
[03:10] <frojnd> don't be that rude
[03:10] <flaccid> i'm not being rude so please stop saying so
[03:10] <pedro> hey guys!
[03:10] <pedro> I could solve it!!
[03:10] <linopil> limited actions may be a good thing when in a hurry
[03:10] <frojnd> exactly!
[03:10] <pedro> I did what you recomended me
[03:11] <dwidmann> pedro, that's awesome :)
[03:11] <eeos> hi linopil
[03:11] <pedro> uninstall and install again python2.5
[03:11] <linopil> hi
[03:11] <pedro> now everything is all right
[03:11] <linopil> go PM pls
[03:11] <flaccid> don't expect much if you expect things to happen in a hurry in linux...
[03:11] <pedro> thanks very much
[03:11] <jkjk> Thanks! It worked perfectly! :)
[03:11] <dwidmann> jkjk: good :)
[03:12] <ForgeAus> I still need help getting my Kubuntu working
[03:12] <ForgeAus> no dice sofar
[03:13] <ForgeAus> can I mount the live CD in recovery console? if so can I install packages from there?
[03:13] <ForgeAus> read only filesystem and no network doesn't help any
[03:14] <frojnd> how can I acces sharing folders with konqueror:
[03:14] <frojnd> smb// ?
[03:14] <ForgeAus> needs a colon
[03:14] <frojnd> I mean what do I have to write in command line in konqueror?
[03:14] <ForgeAus> smb:// if you want samba shares
[03:15] <powerfox> Hi! I have a little question about localization. Does Kubuntu use kde-i18n? I find some differences between my KDE (Kubuntu) translation and kde-i18n packages.
[03:15] <frojnd> it says: Malformed url: smb//
[03:15] <flaccid> frojnd: yesh
[03:15] <flaccid> smb:/
[03:16] <flaccid> or smb://server/share
[03:16] <flaccid> etc. i think iirc
[03:16] <ForgeAus> !openbox
[03:16] <ubotu> openbox is a lightweight window manager. For instructions and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox. To replace metacity with Openbox please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Replace_Metacity_with_Openbox_in_gnome
[03:16] <daftvader> can anyone help me get usplash working?
[03:16] <dwidmann> well, I'll be back in a few, I hope this patch worked ...
[03:16] <powerfox> Also I hafe found 2 different localization packages: kde-i18n and languge-pack-kde-??-base.
[03:18] <djwilcox> any one got any tips for a mac user trying to so a dual boot
[03:18] <djwilcox> have partitioned my hard drive about 15 time times trying to install kubuntu and mac osx side by side
[03:19] <flaccid> whats the problem and what arch is it
[03:20] <dwidmann> woo hoo!!!!!!! it worked!
[03:20] <djwilcox> trying to install kubuntu 610 dual boot with mac osx
[03:20] <dwidmann> adobe flash 9 running in 64-bit konqueror :)
[03:21] <djwilcox> when i partition hard drive i leave one partition for kubuntu formatted as hfs+
[03:21] <djwilcox> should i set the format to unix
[03:22] <flaccid> sweet
[03:22] <kbusrnstw> Hi ppls
[03:23] <kbusrnstw> how can i access to shared foldders from Kubuntu >WIndows and from Windows to Kubuntu??
[03:23] <dwidmann> hi kbusrnstw
[03:24] <dwidmann> kbusrnstw: go to the system menu, click on remote places
[03:24] <dwidmann> then click on samba shares
[03:25] <flaccid> !samba > kbusrnstw
[03:27] <ForgeAus> hmmm flaccid, can you help me?
[03:27] <ForgeAus> I need to know more about how to use recovery console
[03:27] <flaccid> windows?
[03:27] <ScarFreewill> dwidmann: i got into mysql thx
[03:27] <ForgeAus> it doesn't connect to the net nor does my kubuntu (qute) boot
[03:27] <ForgeAus> no well recovery mode or whatever kubuntu calls it
[03:27] <flaccid> ah ok
[03:27] <ForgeAus> (second option on the grub menu)
[03:27] <dwidmann> ScarFreewill: You're welcome
[03:28] <ForgeAus> I tried running aptitude install ubuntu-minimal
[03:28] <flaccid> like what does /etc/init.d/networking start do ?
[03:28] <ForgeAus> but the nothing resolved
[03:28] <ForgeAus> etc/init.d networking start?...
[03:28] <ForgeAus> whats that?
[03:28] <flaccid> to be honest i know not much at all with what that boot gives you
[03:28] <ForgeAus> hangon
[03:28] <flaccid> that starts networkign
[03:29] <flaccid> maybe revoery doesn't do that tbh i don't kow
[03:29] <ForgeAus> well it also opens the filesystem in read-only mode
[03:29] <ForgeAus> so that doesn't help either
[03:30] <flaccid> well then if it doesn't use ramdisk or something like that then its purely recovery
[03:30] <flaccid> but hey i can't really say
[03:30] <flaccid> any recovery mode people here?
[03:31] <djwilcox> whats the new world partition for when your are dual booting with a mac
[03:31] <ForgeAus> wait I might be able to do something here see if anything in there is missing from the live cd and copy it?
[03:31] <flaccid> new world?
[03:31] <flaccid> ForgeAus: whats the problem
[03:31] <djwilcox> new something or other
[03:32] <djwilcox> when i try to install says i need swap yaboot and new world something
[03:32] <flaccid> hmm sorry
[03:32] <flaccid> maybe google
[03:32] <flaccid> maybe they mean ufs not sure
[03:33] <djwilcox> yer have had to partirion hard drive 15 times so far
[03:33] <djwilcox> trying to do dual boot mac osx and kubuntu
[03:33] <djwilcox> doesnt linux like hfs+ formatted hard drives
[03:34] <flaccid> no thats bad
[03:34] <flaccid> surely google can help
[03:34] <flaccid> does ubuntu support ufs?
[03:35] <djwilcox> says my partition has no free space
[03:35] <djwilcox> to install kubuntu
[03:35] <djwilcox> just wondering if need to format the partition as unix instead of hfs+
[03:37] <flaccid> is this intel
[03:37] <flaccid> http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=dual+boot+kubuntu+mac+os+x&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[03:37] <jthomas> sorry i don't know if it can READ, but Ubuntu surely cannot use HFS as its root partition, nor probably as its home.  the HFS may work as an extra partition for storage, not sure
[03:37] <flaccid> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=q7Y&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=dual+boot+ubuntu+mac+os+x&spell=1
[03:37] <flaccid> lots there...
[03:37] <djwilcox> right
[03:38] <frojnd> full package about 40mb, foc compyling?
[03:38] <frojnd> for*
[03:38] <frojnd> compiling?
[03:38] <frojnd> package that has tool for compile?
[03:38] <frojnd> tools*
[03:38] <frojnd> :)
[03:39] <shinigami> !chinese
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chinese - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <shinigami> !chineseinput
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about chineseinput - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <shinigami> !scim
[03:39] <ubotu> Chinese, Japanese, Korean Language input. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SCIM
[03:39] <jthomas> scim for ubuntu, skim for kubuntu
[03:40] <shinigami> oh ops
[03:40] <shinigami> !skim
[03:40] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[03:40] <flaccid> ni hao ma ? hehe
[03:40] <shinigami> where are the instructions to install skim?
[03:40] <shinigami> !skim-install
[03:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skim-install - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <flaccid> !build-essential > frojnd
[03:41] <jthomas> anyone know if Metisse is going to be built for *ubuntu?
[03:41] <flaccid> shinigami: install the package skim with your desired package manager
[03:41] <shinigami> apt-get install skim already hmm
[03:41] <shinigami> anyone knows how to edit the startup scripts in gui?
[03:42] <flaccid> what startup scripts?
[03:42] <flaccid> use a text editor like kate
[03:42] <angasule> shinigami: gimme a minute, you have to manually edit some stuff for skim to work
[03:42] <shinigami> like what is loaded when it starts up.. like those in /etc/init.d/
[03:43] <angasule> flaccid: skim doesn't work unless you install it from the start, I think
[03:43] <shinigami> !startup
[03:43] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[03:43] <flaccid> shinigami:  that depends on what you want to start and when
[03:43] <shinigami> like i want to start skim when it boots (although there's a option in skim to do that) but would like to learn how to edit the scripts
[03:43] <ForgeAus> ok well found some other stuff missing outta there
[03:43] <ForgeAus> so fixed that
[03:43] <auser> hello
[03:43] <ForgeAus> might try rebooting
[03:43] <ForgeAus> might work now!
[03:43] <angasule> shinigami: can you get skim to work at all?
[03:44] <shinigami> angasule: no.. even after running.. i think i'm removing it and installing again
[03:44] <shinigami> doing now
[03:44] <angasule> shinigami: no, wait
[03:44] <ForgeAus> bbl
[03:44] <angasule> shinigami: you have to edit some configuration files
[03:44] <shinigami> angasule: ok..what files
[03:44] <auser> i would like to know if i can insert username and password of my kubuntu from windows
[03:45] <johny454> someone could help?
[03:45] <auser> without use the pc in which kubuntu is installed
[03:45] <johny454> how to install "DRI" on Kubuntu?
[03:45] <auser> hi yvonne
[03:45] <angasule> shinigami: http://scim.sourceforge.net/skim/doc/user/en/#using-skim  <-- you must have those environment variables set, try setting them in a console, and from that console running a GUI app, you'll see that the app will work with skim
[03:46] <flaccid> probably should read the documentation of skim
[03:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:46] <angasule> flaccid: it kind of blows ;)
[03:47] <auser> ????
[03:47] <angasule> flaccid: skim should work after it's installed with apt-get, currently the install is completely unfriendly, it gives no error, it just fails to work
[03:48] <johny454> I've got a problem, can someone help?
[03:48] <flaccid> hehe angasule sounds typical of ubuntu packages :)
[03:49] <Lynoure> johny454: only if you tell what your problem is.
[03:49] <johny454> I don't know how to install "DRI" on Kubuntu. I don't have direct rendering
[03:50] <shinigami> angasule: the skim runs..but ctrl space doesn't work..does that mean i didn't configure properly ?
[03:50] <flaccid> dri nees to be in xorg.conf
[03:51] <johny454> you mean that i have to find the line in xorg.conf?
[03:51] <angasule> shinigami: you have to 'export' the environment variables that are mentioned in that page
[03:52] <shinigami> did..created a .xsession file with executable rights
[03:52] <shinigami> i mean
[03:52] <shinigami> .xinitrc
[03:53] <johny454> shinigami: are yoy talking to me?
[03:53] <flaccid> johny454: you need         Load  "dri" in  Section "Module"
[03:53] <shinigami> johny454: no sorry
[03:54] <shinigami> hmm i can recall installing scim in office isn't that tedious..hehee..what did i do wrong..hmm
[03:54] <angasule> shinigami: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/default
[03:55] <angasule> shinigami: and then add these lines:
[03:55] <angasule> XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM"
[03:55] <angasule> LC_CTYPE="en_UK.UTF-8"
[03:55] <angasule> GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
[03:55] <angasule> QT_IM_MODULE="scim"
[03:55] <shinigami> no default file.. only scim and stuffs.. so i create default?
[03:56] <angasule> shinigami: dunno, give it a try, I guess, I had the file, I don't know why you don't
[03:56] <johny454> Does DRI come with Kubuntu?, so i i don't have to install it ...
[03:57] <shinigami> ok thanks alot hehe still can't but i try to troubleshoot
[03:57] <angasule> shinigami: you will probably have to log out and back again for it to work
[03:58] <flaccid> johny454:  pretty sure it does with xorg yes, but it needs to be enabled in xorg.conf make sure there is not a disabled directive for dri
[03:58] <shinigami> yes i'll do it now hehe
[03:58] <shinigami> brb
[03:59] <BluesKaj> johny454, try this , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[03:59] <linopil> guys /etc/modules.conf not always present. in fact not needed by default right ?
[04:00] <angasule> linopil: you mean /etc/modules ?
[04:01] <johny454> BluesKaj: thanks
[04:01] <BluesKaj> np
[04:02] <johny454> by terminal, how do i know which driver is loaded?
[04:02] <flaccid> there might be a command but i can't remember hey
[04:02] <flaccid> check xorg log
[04:03] <flaccid> in /var/log/X*
[04:03] <angasule> lsmod
[04:03] <johny454> lsmod|grep?
[04:03] <flaccid> angasule: i think he means xorg
[04:03] <angasule> yeap
[04:03] <angasule> graphics drivers have a kernel component which shows up in lsmod anyway, I believe
[04:04] <php-freak> does any one know why my website looks great in internet explorer, and firefox, but when i open it in konquer it don't view right?
[04:04] <flaccid> ah ok
[04:04] <flaccid> hmm is that for all *nix or just linux ?
[04:04] <flaccid> i guess in relation to xorg
[04:05] <flaccid> or X11
[04:05] <angasule> php-freak: because konqueror is very strict about web standards, so if your website doesn't respect them, it'll look wrong
[04:05] <vge> php-freak: most likely your fonts are messed up?
[04:05] <php-freak> http://www.indianawebsitedesign.net
[04:05] <php-freak> take a look
[04:05] <php-freak> click on like about me
[04:06] <flaccid> if you design in IE you are asking for non-compliance
[04:06] <vge> php-freak: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indianawebsitedesign.net%2F <-- check thease first
[04:06] <angasule> php-freak: for what it's worth, it looks ok to me in konqueror
[04:06] <johny454> does someone know a nice guide about how to compile from sources?
[04:07] <php-freak> angasule: what version you using
[04:07] <angasule> php-freak: kubuntu edgy's default, so I guess it's the same you're using
[04:09] <weedar> how can you let a user run sudo?
[04:09] <php-freak> I'm using 3.5.5
[04:09] <LjL> weedar: add them to the group "admin"
[04:09] <php-freak> konquer, but yes the edges don't look right, hopefully they look right in netscape which granted Idon't know any one that uses konquer
[04:09] <angasule> weedar: you have to add him to the admin group, I think
[04:09] <weedar> thanks LjL =)
[04:10] <linopil> angasule:  still no sound
[04:10] <johny454> wedar: chgroup (user) (admin)
[04:10] <angasule> php-freak: konqueror is very similar to safari, the Mac OS X browser
[04:10] <php-freak> hmm
[04:10] <LjL> angasule: well... it's safari that's "similar" to konqueror, but anyway :P
[04:10] <php-freak> i better get this fixed then cause there is a lot of people using mac
[04:11] <php-freak> i fixed the ending</li> tags but still looks funny
[04:11] <angasule> LjL: you're a slashdotter, aren't you? :P heh
[04:11] <weedar> most pages look much better once they validate, even for insignificant errors
[04:12] <LjL> angasule: no, i'm just annoying
[04:12] <michaelpo> i'm trying to install democracyplayer on ubuntu6.06... but got error message... "Error: Dependency is not satisfiable: libatk1.0-0"
[04:12] <LjL> !info libatk1.0-0 dapper
[04:12] <ubotu> libatk1.0-0: The ATK accessibility toolkit. In component main, is optional. Version 1.11.4-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 69 kB, installed size 188 kB
[04:12] <angasule> LjL: well, you're halfway there, then, that's the main requisite for being a slashdotter, I'm sure
[04:13] <LjL> it seems to be, what version would democracyplayer require?
[04:13] <johny454> this is what comes after "fglrxinfo" :
[04:13] <johny454> lib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:13] <johny454> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[04:13] <johny454> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1)
[04:14] <LjL> angasule: well at any rate you'll certainly appreciate the fact that Safari uses KHTML, which was and is developed primarily for Konqueror, so being on a KDE centered channel, you surely aren't too surprised that i chirp in if you somehow appear to imply that it's Konqueror the Safari clone ;P
[04:14] <michaelpo> i've libatk1.0-0 installed already....
[04:14] <LjL> Ubotu, tell johny454 about paste | johny454, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:14] <angasule> LjL: oh, I know the difference heh :D
[04:14] <johny454> sorry
[04:14] <LjL> michaelpo: that democracyplayer package, it's a binary package or what?
[04:14] <gabeg> hello
[04:15] <michaelpo> ljl: democracyplayer_0.9.2.1-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb
[04:15] <dwidmann> funny, thought Safari forked KHTML and called the fork webkit ...
[04:16] <dwidmann> or rather, apple did >.>
[04:16] <LjL> michaelpo: i can see that problem reported in various places on the Web. what's the package's URL?
[04:16] <linopil> midi device in ubuntu
[04:17] <LjL> Ubotu, tell linopil about midi | linopil, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:17] <linopil> LjL:  ty
[04:17] <LjL> linopil: that page mainly explains how to get *software* MIDI output, however
[04:17] <LjL> hardware MIDI can be kind of a pain, depending on the card
[04:17] <michaelpo> http://www.getdemocracy.com/downloads/ubuntu.php
[04:18] <johny454> BluesKaj: I do use this driver, don't have a Direct rebdering though
[04:19] <LjL> michaelpo: right, the listed atk dependency is a newer version
[04:19] <soulrider> LjL: so safari is a konqueror clone? =/
[04:19] <LjL> michaelpo: you can patch up the package manually, though of course there's no guarantees it will work
[04:19] <michaelpo> listed?
[04:19] <michaelpo> how to patch a package manually??
[04:19] <LjL> soulrider: it uses the same rendering engine, just as, say, Epiphany uses the Gecko engine developed for Firefox
[04:20] <LjL> michaelpo, an "apt-cache show democracyplayer" will tell you that the libatk version required as a Depends is 1.12.something
[04:21] <johny454> someone could take a look on this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3458/plain/
[04:21] <ForgeAus> I'm ba-ack
[04:21] <michaelpo> W: Unable to locate package democracyplayer
[04:21] <michaelpo> E: No package found
[04:23] <johny454> michaelpo: add correct repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <Jucato> !info democracyplayer
[04:23] <ubotu> democracyplayer: GTK+ based RSS video aggregator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.4.1-1 (edgy), package size 480 kB, installed size 2984 kB
[04:23] <LjL> michaelpo: make a directory (let's say "demo"), copy the .deb to it, cd to it, do "ar x *.deb", do "tar xf control.tar.gz", do "nano control", change the version of the dependency, do "tar -cf control.tar.gz control debian-binary md5sums postinst postrm prerm", then "ar c democracy-new.deb control.tar.gz data.tar.gz"
[04:23] <LjL> that should be about it, with a mistake here or there
[04:24] <soulrider> has anyone here trie Arch Linux ?
[04:24] <LjL> of course, that could be done with proper tools as well
[04:24] <soulrider> i just wanna know if its hard to configure
[04:25] <michaelpo> ok.. will try...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> soul I tried downloading it once...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> didn't get far
[04:25] <ForgeAus> but no hav't tried the actual distro
[04:25] <soulrider> lol ForgeAus
[04:25] <johny454> please take a look http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3458/plain/
[04:25] <Ace2016> Anyone know a good image editor?
[04:26] <soulrider> im a newb in linux, i know im keeping ubuntu, but i wanna try other distros, just for the fun of it
[04:26] <ForgeAus> the GIMP!
[04:26] <juano__> Ace2016: the gimp
[04:26] <ForgeAus> has to be THE GIMP
[04:26] <ForgeAus> the only image editor
[04:26] <LjL> or Krita, since we're on a Kubuntu channel
[04:26] <ForgeAus> (for linux anyway)
[04:26] <juano__> !gimp | Ace2016
[04:26] <ubotu> Ace2016: gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:26] <ForgeAus> lol Ljl good point
[04:26] <michaelpo> LjL: bash: ar: command not found
[04:26] <ForgeAus> theres always stuff like blender3D and lotsa other graphic packages
[04:26] <Ace2016> well i'm using it for my mplayer skin and the png file for some reason looks messed up in mplayer
[04:27] <LjL> michaelpo: it's in binutils, i'd be very surprised if you didn't have it
[04:27] <LjL> michaelpo: "ls /usr/bin/ar"
[04:27] <Ace2016> see: http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1hv4.png
[04:27] <LjL> anyway just install binutils if you don't quite have it
[04:28] <michaelpo> LjL: ls: /usr/bin/ar: No such file or directory
[04:28] <LjL> alright, install binutils
[04:28] <angasule> Ace2016: it looks like it's missing transparency?
[04:29] <Ace2016> angasule: you'd think so wouldn't you but this is the background image used file from the skin folder http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mainiq7.png
[04:29] <angasule> btw, I wouldn't call GIMP a good editor, it's very mean and has a temper :P
[04:29] <Ace2016> what would you call a good editor?
[04:30] <Morbo> Photoshop ;)
[04:30] <ForgeAus> lol
[04:30] <ForgeAus> I don't call that good either
[04:30] <Pooh22> anyone got a clue on how to enable sound for anyone logged in using a NIS account (so not locally configured as user)?
[04:30] <ForgeAus> very non-standard approach
[04:30] <ForgeAus> its kinda become its own standard Ig uess
[04:30] <ForgeAus> but for newbies used to something like microsoft office to learn adobe photoshop... not so easy
[04:30] <angasule> Ace2016: hmm, mplayer is screwy, then? dunno, I loathe mplayer, the interface is even worse than GIMP's
[04:31] <Pooh22> I'm not sure I want to manage the audio group using NIS as well...
[04:31] <Jucato> kmplayer/kplayer?
[04:31] <Ace2016> but mplayer plays everything
[04:31] <Ace2016> kplayer is good, but i want to finish the skin i started
[04:32] <michaelpo> oh.. i found out i have.... libatk1.0-0 installed... but the version says.. 1.11.4-0ubuntu1... is this causing the trouble?
[04:32] <LjL> michaelpo: yes, that's what i said
[04:32] <LjL> the democracyplayer package requires 1.12
[04:32] <LjL> you have 1.11
[04:33] <LjL> *maybe* it will work anyway even with 1.11, and that's why i said "patch the dependency list"
[04:33] <michaelpo> would it be easier if i install 1.12? how do i get 1.12?
[04:33] <LjL> of course, maybe it won't
[04:33] <LjL> michaelpo: you don't, on dapper
[04:33] <michaelpo> 1.12 doesnt run on dapper?
[04:34] <LjL> michaelpo: it's a library, you don't go and change versions of libraries like that
[04:34] <Jucato> !info democracyplayer dapper
[04:34] <ubotu> Package democracyplayer does not exist in dapper
[04:34] <LjL> that's what makes systems broken
[04:34] <Jucato> ah too bad... :(
[04:34] <LjL> can always request a backport
[04:35] <LjL> anyway, just patch up the package's control and see if it works, it's not hard really, get binutils installed and it should mostly work as i said
[04:35] <michaelpo> oic... democracyplayer only on 6.10?
[04:36] <LjL> in the official repositories, yes
[04:36] <LjL> !backports
[04:36] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[04:36] <LjL> you can always request one of these though
[04:37] <michaelpo> request? meaning it may take 1 month to be for democracyplayer on dapper?
[04:37] <LjL> it might just be refused, for that matter
[04:37] <Jucato> that depends on the packager
[04:38] <LjL> you know, of course, that Ubuntu releases aren't *supposed* to get new packages or updated versions of such, except for "best-effort" things such as Backports
[04:39] <michaelpo> ic... thanks.. newbie here... now i think i understand what the gibberish means at https://develop.participatoryculture.org/trac/democracy/ticket/5096
[04:39] <ForgeAus> hmmm my kubuntu's still broken
[04:43] <LjL> michaelpo: upstream (i.e. the people developing and packaging democracyplayer on their site) should probably have specified that the "Ubuntu" package was an Ubuntu *Edgy* package
[04:43] <LjL> anyway, you know now
[04:43] <michaelpo> ljl: thanks for the lesson...
[04:44] <LjL> michaelpo: you have always the option of compiling from source, i suppose, besides patching up and seeing if it works
[04:44] <smoze> how can i set up midi??
[04:44] <LjL> Ubotu, tell smoze about midi | smoze, see the private message from Ubotu
[04:45] <michaelpo> a newbie can compile from source?
[04:45] <smoze> been there done that..... did not work!
[04:45] <michaelpo> sounds complicated....
[04:45] <michaelpo> is it dangerous?
[04:45] <Jucato> LjL: you have that aliased, don't you? :D
[04:45] <LjL> michaelpo: it can be, but not necessarily. though if that package *actually does* require version 1.12 of that library, you won't have much luck compiling either
[04:46] <LjL> michaelpo: compiling is not dangerous. installing a compiled program could be
[04:46] <LjL> Jucato: yessir
[04:46] <michaelpo> ljl: i think i should read linux manual in more detail first... or i should just install 6.10... that is the easiest way....
[04:46] <michaelpo> right?
[04:47] <LjL> michaelpo: if you are comfortable installing (or upgrading) a distribution... yes. note that some people claim Edgy not to be as stable as Dapper, and also Edgy is not supported for as long as Dapper
[04:48] <LjL> michaelpo: anyway do you want to try patching the package up or not? have you got binutils? if you are stuck, i'll help you
[04:49] <LjL> smoze: what part did not work
[04:50] <michaelpo> i'm comfortable in installing edgy.. no problem.. dapper is not really stable? it hung on me a few times... i just have firefox, evolution, gaim, rythmbox running at those times... i had to hard poweroff....
[04:50] <smoze> LjL: getting samples for instance... i followed those instructions but it just didn't work... it also complains about pcm...
[04:51] <LjL> michaelpo: "hung" like in "cannot move the mouse and Ctrl+Alt+F2 doesn't get me to a console"?
[04:51] <michaelpo> ljl: yup... nothing... the screen frozen....
[04:51] <dwidmann> video driver issue? Yeah, probably
[04:51] <LjL> smoze: have you just got freepats, or have you added the deb http://www.fbriere.net/debian/dists/etch misc/ repository? (i suggest to start with the former)
[04:52] <LjL> michaelpo: could be anything... anyway, i think people complaining about Edgy are more on about less serious but still annoying problems, like broken packages and crashing applications
[04:53] <michaelpo> ljl: i didnt knew about Ctrl+Alt+F2... i didnt try it.. know i know...
[04:53] <LjL> michaelpo: F2 is just a random key. F1-F6 all work and bring you to a different virtual terminal
[04:54] <LjL> michaelpo: F7, by default, brings you back to your X session
[04:54] <michaelpo> ljl: yes... haha... i was a bit panicked just now...
[04:54] <LjL> michaelpo: also, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can often restart X if it's stuck
[04:55] <Dr_willis> and if ya hit alt-ctrl-backspace, alt-ctrl-delete real fast.. you can make the system reboot.. :)
[04:55] <Dr_willis> but some times ya got to time it right.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> or just alt-ctrl delete from the alt-ctrl-F1 f6 consoles..
[04:56] <michaelpo> console is different to terminal?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> colsole is the terminal. :)
[04:56] <michaelpo> is it like different 6 workspaces?
[04:56] <Dr_willis> its just not using X
[04:56] <linux_> hey guys, I have a problem. I can not use apt-get becauce I'm behind a proxy. but what so I have to change in /etc/opt/apget.configure
[04:56] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about Layers and legos. :) Layers of software on top of other layers connected together..
[04:57] <chuen> Hi all. I've installed an Amarok script which works fine until " X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166"
[04:57] <michaelpo> if i hit ctrl-alt-backspace now... it will restart x? how about this gaim? remain the same? or do i have to restart gaim?
[04:57] <chuen> Can anyone explain what that means?
[04:57] <LjL> michaelpo: terms are used a bit interchangeably... however, the "shell" is the program that gives you a prompt and lets you execute command -- a "terminal" is the stuff that the shell (and programs) rely on to input and output characters - a "Linux console" or "Linux virtual terminal" is that text-mode stuff in Alt+Fx
[04:57] <Dr_willis> chuen,  ubuntu/kubuntu has the wacom tablets configured by default.. its not a critical message/warning
[04:57] <LjL> michaelpo, X is your graphical interface, so restarting X means shutting down every GUI program
[04:58] <dwidmann> michaelpo, if you restart X, all of your graphical programs will be closed
[04:58] <chuen> Dr_will: Hi Doc. I remember you sayin that he otherday (to me)
[04:58] <chuen> Dr_willis:  I remember you sayin that he otherday (to me)
[04:58] <michaelpo> ljl: i've got binutils installed...
[04:58] <dwidmann> chuen: probably just from the tablet devices in the xorg.conf, probably.
[04:59] <chuen> Dr_willis: AFAIK, nothing happened afte that error (I mean what *should* have happened, *didn't*)
[04:59] <chuen> dwidmann: I'll run it again and see...
[05:00] <LjL> michaelpo: meaning you already had it?
[05:00] <smoze> LjL: ok, i'll try reinstalling those packges
[05:01] <michaelpo> ljl: meaning i just used synaptic to install it
[05:01] <michaelpo> did the ar thingy... ar it... ls now shows control.tar.gz  data.tar.gz  debian-binary  democracyplayer_0.9.2.1-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb
[05:01] <LjL> michaelpo: right, now tar xf control.tar.gz
[05:02] <Jucato> -xzf
[05:02] <LjL> Jucato: doesn't make a difference
[05:02] <michaelpo> now ls shows        control         data.tar.gz    democracyplayer_0.9.2.1-1ubuntupcf_i386.deb  postinst  prerm
[05:02] <michaelpo> control.tar.gz  debian-binary  md5sums                                      postrm
[05:02] <LjL> michaelpo: nano control
[05:02] <Jucato> ok
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: look at the Depends line, and specifically at the libatk part. change 1.12 to 1.11.4
[05:03] <michaelpo> im in nano now...
[05:03] <michaelpo> nano is a text editor?
[05:03] <goodthing> anyone in for helping me configuring wifi?
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: yes
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: you can use kate if you prefer
[05:03] <LjL> michaelpo: actually, be careful with nano, because as soon as you edit that long Depends line, it will probably split it into two lines, and you don't want that
[05:04] <michaelpo> im new to linux... i still got no preference yet...
[05:04] <LjL> michaelpo: well, kate is GUI, nano is CLI
[05:04] <LjL> michaelpo: anyway the line-split is easily fixed by pressing Backspace at the start of the second line that gets created
[05:05] <michaelpo> the depends line says            Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libboost-python1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), $
[05:05] <LjL> yes, make the libatk thing  libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.11.4),
[05:05] <LjL> let me check the other depends too
[05:06] <michaelpo> how about libboost?
[05:06] <LjL> i'll check them all now
[05:06] <michaelpo> libcairo? libfont?
[05:06] <LjL> need to see which versions are in dapper
[05:06] <michaelpo> ljl: are u on dapper as well?
[05:06] <LjL> no i'm on edgy, but it's easy enough to check
[05:06] <LjL> can just use the bot
[05:07] <LjL> ok, libc6 is wrong too, and i doubt the program will work with anything less than 2.4 to be honst
[05:07] <LjL> dapper has 2.3.6
[05:07] <LjL> libcairo2 is 1.0.4
[05:08] <LjL> libfontconfig1 is OK as it is
[05:09] <linopil> sound was already OK but wont satrt on new restart what am I missing ?
[05:09] <linopil> aplay -l OK
[05:10] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'v run the sript again. The full output is here: http://pastebin.com/871308
[05:10] <chuen> Dr_willis: Could it be that there's simply some bug in the script - independent of the device error?
[05:11] <michaelpo> ljl: what dapper has 2.3.6? i dont see dapper
[05:11] <LjL> michaelpo: libc6
[05:11] <LjL> !info libc6 dapper
[05:11] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data. In component main, is required. Version 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2 (dapper), package size 4480 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[05:11] <LjL> !info libc6 edgy
[05:11] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12.3 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9992 kB
[05:13] <Dr_willis> chuen,  a bug would be my guess.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> chuen,  you could always edit your xorg.conf and remove the entrys for the tablet and never see those messages again
[05:14] <michaelpo> ljl: when i scroll pass $... there are lots of depends... are they all ok? i just changed libatk, libc, libcairo2
[05:15] <michaelpo> that's all?
[05:15] <chuen> Dr_willis: What should I look for (in xorg.conf)?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  the wiki/forums detail  the dozen or so lines to delete.
[05:16] <LjL> michaelpo: oh - no, i overlooked them, thought you'd pasted it all. well, you only need to concern yourself with the ones that specify a version in brackets... however, i'm really starting to think there's a tad too many libraries requiring a specific version
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  but thats not cusing your problem i am guessing. Its sounds like a badly done script.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> chuen,  be sure to backup your existing xorg.conf first
[05:16] <LjL> michaelpo: you can still try, but i foresee something like a 5% probability of success :) i'd request a backport
[05:16] <Dr_willis> !wacom
[05:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:16] <chuen> Dr_willis: I'll go to the Amarok support forum / channel with it.
[05:17] <chuen> Dr_willis: Thanks.
[05:17] <shadowhywind> hay all have a problem. when i boot kubuntu the splashscreen progress bar goes up to about 20-25% and then goes to a text version, followed by fsck at every boot. any ideas
[05:17] <LjL> Dr_willis: so you remembered there was a wiki page about that too?
[05:17] <michaelpo> ljl: are you using democracyplayer as well? is it any good? i read about skype joost.. in a newsletter.. it says democracyplayer can do all the joost can do already....
[05:17] <LjL> shadowhywind: any FAT partitions?
[05:17] <Dr_willis> just cant rember what the wiki is. :) i know enoguh to delete it by hand. heh.
[05:17] <shadowhywind> LijL yes
[05:18] <LjL> michaelpo: no, i'm not using it
[05:18] <LjL> besides, i try to avoid GNOME apps on KDE
[05:18] <LjL> shadowhywind: do you get a "boot sector differences from backup" from fsck?
[05:19] <shadowhywind> no, there are never any errors *unless i shutoff wrong*
[05:19] <shadowhywind> it just says its checking harddrives, and then just continues on with the boot
[05:19] <LjL> shadowhywind: try a manual dosfsck on the (unmounted) FAT partition
[05:19] <michaelpo> ljl: i think i will not continue... since 5% success.... i will just download and install edgy... so i just delete the demo folder?
[05:19] <LjL> shadowhywind: i bet it's just taking a long time to check FAT for some reason. if you don't often write to FAT from linux, you could possibly just remove the check
[05:20] <LjL> michaelpo: guess so
[05:20] <michaelpo> ljl: how to tell if an app is gnome or kde?
[05:20] <shadowhywind> my fat partition is "my life" partition. I use it every day read/write
[05:20] <shadowhywind> finished the dosfsck on it /dev/sda5: 50551 files, 2168417/2473906 clusters
[05:20] <LjL> michaelpo: if it's full of GNOME dependencies, such as the ones you listed, it's a GNOME app
[05:22] <shadowhywind> LijL how would i remove that check/some how make it faster / or have that check not inturpet the progressbar screen
[05:22] <michaelpo> only 2 gnome are mentioned...
[05:22] <michaelpo> ljl: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.1), libboost-python1.33.1, libc6 (>= 2.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3, libxi6, libxine1 (>= 1.1.2-5), libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), python2.4, python (<< 2.5), python-support (>= 0.3.4
[05:23] <ady33> Can someone help re installing packages. I do not seem to have much selection with add remove programs. A friend tried talking me through adept manager but it did not show software packages listed that he expected.. Any ideas please?
[05:23] <michaelpo> ljl: what does this mean? Version: 0.9.2.1-1ubuntupcf    does it hints ubuntu or kubuntu or xubuntu?
[05:23] <LjL> GTK is the toolkit that GNOME uses, pango is GNOME stuff, cairo idem, and i was sure i'd seen gnome-python-support myself
[05:23] <LjL> it doesn't hint to anything
[05:24] <LjL> michaelpo, a package that's purely a KDE package will not have *any* GNOME dependencies, and vice versa
[05:24] <LjL> if a package depends on GTK, it's not a KDE app. if a package depends on Qt, it's not a GTK app
[05:24] <LjL> !gui
[05:24] <ubotu> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
[05:26] <michaelpo> !toolkits
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toolkits - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <shadowhywind> LijL any other ideas?
[05:27] <|Shadow|> just out of intrest, how many files does kubuntu need to download roughly?
[05:28] <|Shadow|> im on file 170 now *yawn* lol
[05:28] <michaelpo> ljl: u must be very experienced in linux... u know which xxx is gnome and which is kde....
[05:28] <Narada> hi; how to change computer hostname
[05:28] <Narada> in kde
[05:28] <Narada> or command line
[05:29] <Rubiko> is there somewhere a detailed explanation for installing wlan devices (usb) on kubuntu? I just downloaded ndiswrapper but no idea what to do with it
[05:29] <michaelpo> the depends refers to toolkits? lib are tookits?
[05:29] <Narada> all the instructions online seem to be for gnome
[05:29] <Rubiko> sorry i'm a linux newbie, just started with it :)
[05:29] <stdin> !hostname | Narada
[05:29] <ubotu> Narada: Use hostname <somehostname> to set the hostname, or to do it permanently: edit /etc/hostname  and /etc/hosts . WARNING! Make sure that /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts match, otherwise sudo may not work properly
[05:29] <michaelpo> ljl: the "depends" refers to toolkits? lib are tookits?
[05:29] <LjL> shadowhywind: i have several ideas, none of which optimal
[05:29] <shadowhywind> LijL oh?
[05:29] <stdin> !wifi | Rubiko
[05:29] <ubotu> Rubiko: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:29] <LjL> shadowhywind: you can increase the usplash timeout, for starters. i remember it can be done, let me check how
[05:30] <Narada> stdin: awesome
[05:30] <Rubiko> thanks ubotu
[05:30] <stdin> Narada: np :)
[05:30] <michaelpo> !ip
[05:30] <LjL> michaelpo, "Depends" refers to any other package that a given package depends upon in order to work. these are often libraries and possibly graphics toolkits, but can be anything
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <|Shadow|> uhh, i need to chooce gdm or kdm
[05:30] <|Shadow|> which should i choose?
[05:30] <michaelpo> !if
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about if - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <LjL> michaelpo: libraries are just libraries, i.e. collections of code that other programs can take advantage of
[05:30] <michaelpo> !ipconfig
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <stdin> |Shadow|: donsen't really matter, they both do the same job, just look different
[05:31] <LjL> !msg the bot
[05:31] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:31] <|Shadow|> ah ok, i'll google out some pics.
[05:31] <michaelpo> how do i check my ipconfig?
[05:31] <Narada> stdin: do i have to reboot after doing those cmd line changes or is there something i can type to apply it
[05:31] <stdin> michaelpo: ifconfig
[05:31] <michaelpo> !ifconfig
[05:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ifconfig - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:31] <LjL> there is not a factoid about that
[05:32] <stdin> Narada: a reboot is usually reccommended after you change the hostname. yes
[05:32] <michaelpo> what command to check if my device are detected and working properly?
[05:32] <Narada> stdin: kk
[05:32] <ForgeAus> hey stdin!
[05:33] <ForgeAus> my kubuntu's still broken
[05:33] <stdin> michaelpo: like I said, ifconfig in the condole, or go to System Settings > Network Settings
[05:33] <michaelpo> or is there a app to check my devices...
[05:33] <stdin> ForgeAus: hey :)
[05:33] <LjL> shadowhywind: you could start with  sudo sed -i.backup "s/TIMEOUT 15/TIMEOUT 30/" /etc/init.d/usplash"
[05:33] <LjL> shadowhywind: that will increase the timeout from 15 to 30 seconds
[05:33] <genii> How to auto-add a default user when installing by netboot? This is still frustrating me.
[05:33] <ForgeAus> autoadd default user? hmmm I have no idea!
[05:33] <shadowhywind> ok will try that in a moment
[05:34] <ForgeAus> genii perhaps you have to script it?
[05:34] <LjL> shadowhywind: to remove the fsck entirely, edit /etc/fstab and change the last number on the FAT partition line to 0, i believe
[05:34] <alexi> hi there
[05:34] <ForgeAus> hey alexi :)
[05:34] <alexi> who here has a pci wifi card that works easily with kubuntu
[05:34] <alexi> im going to go buy one now
[05:34] <ForgeAus> I don't have one I got a wireless router
[05:34] <ForgeAus> it works as my access point
[05:34] <ForgeAus> (but I'm wired to it)
[05:35] <ForgeAus> at least my box is
[05:35] <ForgeAus> not me personally rofl
[05:35] <LjL> alexi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[05:35] <ForgeAus> although sometimes it seems that way :) hehe
[05:35] <alexi> nod
[05:35] <michaelpo> alexi: i'm using cisco aironet 350 on ubuntu....
[05:35] <genii> ForgeAus There seems to be a method in the pressed file but it doesn't work. Everything on auto would be preferable. At the end of the preseed file there is a "late command" which is a chroot to the target and execute some stuff but it doesn't seem to like that either.
[05:35] <alexi> hrm
[05:35] <michaelpo> it works ok...
[05:35] <genii> pressed=preseed file
[05:36] <ForgeAus> genii I don't really know, I'm mostly a newbie with linux still
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I mean I know bits and peices but this is something I have VERY little idea about
[05:36] <michaelpo> stdin: yes ifconfig in console... thanks.. how do i check if my devices are detected and working properly?
[05:37] <genii> ForgeAus I'm certain someone somewhere knows LOL Just extremely frustrating right now
[05:37] <stdin> michaelpo: all devices or just network ones ?
[05:37] <ForgeAus> is there a way to see text messages on the screen during a kubuntu edgy startup instead of the black screen with the blue bar?
[05:37] <genii> Anyone seen unix_infidel ? He may know
[05:38] <ForgeAus> or to have a boot log? to examine at least where the bootup process failed?
[05:39] <distro-tester> hello
[05:39] <michaelpo> stdin: i want to return this cisco aironet 350 b to my friend, and loan cisco aironet abg, this abg didnt work properly yet... i think i want to download edgy, and do a command to check if this cisco abg works or not...
[05:39] <stdin> ForgeAus: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove "splash" and "quiet" from the boot options
[05:39] <michaelpo> stdin: all devices?
[05:39] <genii> ForgeAus Well, during the auto-install all the output is spewed to console 4. so I can see when stuff is giving probns. but it just seems to ignore the values given in the preseed file. so maybe they are valid but need to be insserted at a specific stage in the install or something.
[05:40] <michaelpo> stdin: i may want to check my ati video, soundcard, etc.. as well...
[05:40] <|Shadow|> uhh i just installed kubuntu and it pretty much looks the same, except for the start up comes up as kubuntu instead of ubuntu
[05:40] <|Shadow|> isn't the entire gui supposed to change?
[05:40] <LjL> |Shadow|: when you say you "installed kubuntu", it looks like you meant you just installed the kubuntu-desktop package?
[05:41] <|Shadow|> yea
[05:41] <stdin> michaelpo: you can use the KInfoCenter or there is a commandline app called "lshw" too
[05:41] <|Shadow|> i did sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <Dr_willis> you dident tell it to login to kde then if you are still using gnome for the desktop
[05:41] <LjL> |Shadow|: then, at your login screen, you need to click Options, and select a KDE session rather than a GNOME session
[05:41] <genii> Shadow You need to change the default session type in the login screen to get a different desktop than you had before
[05:41] <|Shadow|> ah, thanks :)
[05:41] <LjL> if you also want to use the KDE login screen (KDM) rather than the GNOME one (GDM), you'll need to do a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" |Shadow|
[05:41] <genii> What LjL said :)
[05:42] <ForgeAus> trying something... maybe its just X that failed from an X-lock?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> if I delete the lock it should boot up?
[05:42] <ForgeAus> or will that break X?
[05:42] <|Shadow|> ok i made it default
[05:42] <|Shadow|> *logs in*
[05:42] <genii> ForgeAus You can delete the lock file yeah.
[05:42] <ForgeAus> if thats all it is i'll be anoyed!
[05:42] <|Shadow|> lol this looks pretty sweet :)
[05:42] <ForgeAus> too easy a fix!
[05:42] <ForgeAus> brb
[05:43] <ForgeAus> resetting
[05:43] <genii> ForgeAus basically the lockfile is to prevent multiple instances of the same app and so on
[05:43] <Zerb_Riss> does anyone know how to customize systemtray_panelappletrc ?
[05:44] <|Shadow|> hmm, im trying to switch on my secondary screen, why is apply blanked out?
[05:44] <michaelpo> stdin: lshw say i should be a superuser... do i su lshw?
[05:44] <LjL> sudo lshw michaelpo
[05:44] <LjL> su alone won't work on a normal Ubuntu installation
[05:44] <dwidmann> Hmm, I just got a friend of mine to switch to Linux, but he's having trouble with his keyboard, turns out his `@` and `"` keys have switched around, anyone know a fix?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> You moved his keys dident you dwidmann ...
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <michaelpo> lshw say i have usb0, usb1, usb2, but i only have 2 usb ports... usb2 is usb2.0 how do i access this port?
[05:45] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis, he lives about 4000 miles away (internet friend? sure why not)
[05:45] <dwidmann> But of course, I managed to switch the keys anyway ;)
[05:46] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  he proberly needs to set his keyboard layout. but ive never had to mess with that.
[05:46] <dwidmann> That's what I said, seems he figured it out.
[05:46] <michaelpo> ljl: ah.. lshw is listhardware
[05:46] <|Shadow|> Im in the Monitor & Display GUI, i logged into administrator mode and ticked the second screen box (because i have a dual head card, with 2 screens) but the apply button is switched off
[05:46] <michaelpo> what is ifconfig? in winxp is ipconfig
[05:46] <|Shadow|> i cant click apply, reset, admin mode, defaults or help
[05:46] <dwidmann> !flash > dwidmann
[05:47] <shadowhywind> Lijl looks like the timeout is not the problem, i set it to 160 and still goes
[05:47] <LjL> michaelpo: it surely is
[05:47] <|Shadow|> can anyone help me with this?
[05:47] <Zerb_Riss> does anyone know how to customize systemtray_panelappletrc ? <-- I'm trying to make the icons in the System Tray smaller
[05:47] <michaelpo> ljl: lshw say i have usb0, usb1, usb2, but i only have 2 usb ports... usb2 is usb2.0 how do i access this superfast usb2.0 port?
[05:48] <LjL> shadowhywind: well, i suppose you can positively say that you *have* changed it? my sed command might have been wrong, and it won't work after the first try if you don't change the first number of course
[05:48] <LjL> shadowhywind: so what does "grep TIMEOUT /etc/init.d/usplash" say right now
[05:48] <shadowhywind> i never actraully ran your command, i went into /etc/init.d/usplash and changed the TIMEOUT mannually
[05:49] <LjL> shadowhywind: alrightie
[05:50] <LjL> shadowhywind: are you running dapper or edgy anyway?
[05:50] <michaelpo> ljl: that's why winxp said i should connect to usb2.0 to get faster speed... but now i have deleted winxp and gone ubuntu...
[05:50] <shadowhywind> edgy
[05:50] <|Shadow|> can anyone even hear me?
[05:50] <shadowhywind> no JShadowj i can't hear you.. i can read you through *hehe*
[05:51] <|Shadow|> lol :P
[05:51] <LjL> |Shadow|, yes, but not everybody has the luck of having two monitors. have you checked out this anyway?
[05:51] <LjL> !dualhead
[05:51] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[05:51] <shadowhywind> Lijl this has been a problem sense dapper i believe for me
[05:51] <|Shadow|> yea i've read that, and followed the tutorial back when i was running ubuntu
[05:51] <|Shadow|> along with about 8 other tutorials
[05:51] <|Shadow|> i loaded kubunutu because i was told it had a GUI for setting up dual monitors which i can see
[05:51] <|Shadow|> but it won't let me click apply :(
[05:52] <shadowhywind> is there an adminstator button
[05:52] <LjL> shadowhywind: maybe it's not really fsck that's being the problem, but something that's run after that, but you only see the fsck output? not sure. perhaps you can try installing the "bootchart" package, that will create a PNG image in /var/log/somewhere with a chart of your boot process
[05:52] <|Shadow|> yes there is, if i click it and login all the buttons blank out
[05:52] <shadowhywind> Lijl Is there also a boot log somewhere?
[05:53] <stdin> shadowhywind: /var/log/boot normally
[05:53] <ubuntu> bacl
[05:53] <ubuntu> grrr back
[05:53] <LjL> and messages and syslog and stuff for more accurate info too
[05:53] <ForgeAus> someone was saying somethinga bout X-lock files
[05:53] <|Shadow|> and at the top it says "Changes in this section requires root access." "Click the "Administrator Mode" Button to allow modifications"
[05:53] <LjL> and /var/log/fsck/
[05:53] <|Shadow|> what did i do wrong? :(
[05:54] <LjL> |Shadow|: have you unlocked the root account by any chance?
[05:54] <ForgeAus> how do I see whats happening behind the kubuntu boot screen behind the blue bar?
[05:54] <shadowhywind> the only thing that i can see that might be a problem is wlan0: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[05:54] <|Shadow|> LjL im really new to linux, i don't know what that is so i assume i havn't
[05:54] <|Shadow|> how do i unlock it?
[05:54] <LjL> ForgeAus: alt+f2 or alt+f1 or something. the answer is, if you're using Edgy, not much anyway. the boot happens in quiet mode
[05:55] <LjL> |Shadow|: you don't. i was asking because that might have been the culprit, if you had
[05:55] <ForgeAus> I can change that in grub easy enough
[05:55] <ForgeAus> at least that will tell me how far I get right?
[05:55] <|Shadow|> ah ok
[05:55] <LjL> ForgeAus: it should. remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel command line
[05:55] <ForgeAus> thanx
[05:56] <LjL> ForgeAus: not that you can do it temporarily, without changing menu.lst, by just hitting "e" at the grub menu
[05:56] <ForgeAus> I might actually have an error to tacke that way
[05:56] <ForgeAus> yeah thats what I was going to do.. use the e for edit
[05:56] <ForgeAus> I don't want it to STAY that way
[05:57] <shadowhywind> anyone know where dhcp settings are locaed?
[05:57] <shadowhywind> located*
[05:57] <LjL> shadowhywind: what kind of dhcp settings?
[05:57] <ForgeAus> before I do I better check theres no X-Lock back again
[05:57] <LjL> the fact that you *are* using DHCP is decided in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:57] <|Shadow|> ah i think its because my second monitor wasn't set to plug and play, i set it and then apply showed up and told me i had to restart :)
[05:57] <shadowhywind> in my boot file, i have Starting DHCP server: dhcpd failed to start
[05:58] <stdin> shadowhywind: it'll be in /etc/dhcp3/ then
[05:58] <LjL> shadowhywind, the "dhcpd" command is normally not even installed
[05:58] <LjL> that's a dhcp *server* for all i know
[05:58] <LjL> it's probably a left-over from some time when you had it installed
[05:58] <LjL> the client is dhclient, and i'm pretty sure that's installed
[05:59] <ForgeAus> whats an = file?
[05:59] <ForgeAus> in mc
[05:59] <ForgeAus> (midnight commander)
[05:59] <knapp> Can someone point me to a guide on how to install FFMPEG w/ all libraries or encoders/decorders etc?
[05:59] <ForgeAus> its got 0 bytes
[05:59] <ForgeAus> so its some kinda link or something
[05:59] <Dr_willis> !ffmpeg
[05:59] <ubotu> ffmpeg: multimedia player, server and encoder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3:0.cvs20060823-3.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 175 kB, installed size 612 kB
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. proberly a more detailed wiki page as well.
[06:00] <michaelpo> i'm on compaq 2819ap laptop, mobile pentium 4 Northwood, 2ghz, L1=8kb, L2=512kb. I have a spare celeron Prescott, 2.40GHz , L1=16kb, L2=256kb. is the celeron faster than p4? should i swap them?
[06:00] <knapp> O_o
[06:00] <LjL> michaelpo: doubt it
[06:00] <LjL> you can give me either of them, though
[06:01] <LjL> i won't be offended if it's just the celeron
[06:01] <LameBMX> not to mention a northwood board dont necessarily support a prescott cpu
[06:01] <michaelpo> ljl, where are you? i'm in miri, malaysia..
[06:01] <LjL> i'm in italy... but i was just kidding michaelpo :)
[06:02] <Rubiko> how to run wlan assistant with sudo? tried nearly everything now and I've also read the help
[06:02] <Rubiko> like.. sudo wlassistant
[06:02] <LjL> i'm running a celeron 1700Mhz
[06:02] <Rubiko> or sudo -i wlassistant
[06:02] <michaelpo> ljl: u mean, the p4 is still faster than celeron, even though the celeron have a faster clock and bigger L1?
[06:02] <LameBMX> rubiko gksudo wlanassistant ?
[06:02] <Lynoure> kdesu wlanassistant   would be best, prolly
[06:02] <stdin> LameBMX: not gksu if they are in kde
[06:02] <Dr_willis> for a X application with a gui. you sould want to use gksudo, or the kde equilivent
[06:02] <ForgeAus> is everything in the /tmp directory safe to delete?
[06:03] <LjL> michaelpo: i'd be tempted to say so. it's not like i could swear on it, though
[06:03] <LameBMX> errr whats the kde root thing
[06:03] <Lynoure> LameBMX: kdesu
[06:03] <LjL> Dr_willis: that is kdesu
[06:03] <LameBMX> ty stdin that was a slip
[06:03] <Rubiko> oki, thank you I try that both commands
[06:03] <LameBMX> kdesu ... gotta remember that one myself ..
[06:03] <stdin> LameBMX: heh, I do that all the time on the ubuntu channel :P
[06:03] <michaelpo> ljl: lamebmx: ok.. i will leave the celeron in the desktop box....
[06:04] <LameBMX> yea i just fixed xchat to auto goto kubuntu instead of ubuntu ...
[06:04] <Lynoure> LameBMX: As long as you remember it starts with kd, tab complete can refresh you about the rest :)
[06:04] <LameBMX> tru tru Lynoure
[06:04] <LameBMX> like the rest of life ... if you get a good start you can probably finish it easy enough
[06:05] <alcalde> hola
[06:10] <knapp> Dr_willis do you know where I can find a list of all the "--enable-XXX" options?
[06:10] <knapp> for ffmpeg
[06:10] <Dr_willis> knapp,  ffmpeg homepage/docs would be my guess
[06:10] <Dr_willis> I do recall someone in  this ochannel or #ubuntu had some prebuild ffmpeg binaries with extra features
[06:11] <shadowhywind> anyone know where dhcpd is, aka how to remove it, if it is not required
[06:12] <genii> !dhcp3-client
[06:12] <ubotu> dhcp3-client: DHCP Client. In component main, is important. Version 3.0.4-6ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 198 kB, installed size 628 kB
[06:12] <Dr_willis> find the dhcpd package with the package manager and remove it.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> but ive rarely heard of people needing to remove it.
[06:12] <michaelpo> ljl: thanks for the ar of democracy player... and sudo
[06:12] <genii> The server is same name
[06:12] <genii> (same name convention)
[06:13] <shadowhywind> well trying to figure out why its failing to start.. thoguht i would see if i could remove/reinstall but there is no package
[06:14] <michaelpo> and Ctrl+Alt+F2
[06:14] <genii> shadowhywind: If you have 2 nic cards and dhcp server assigned to one, make sure that you have some eth1 line in /etc/iftab file with the mac address there. Otherwise it will fail a lot
[06:14] <michaelpo> stdin: thanks for ifconfig and lshw....
[06:15] <stdin> michaelpo: you're welcome :)
[06:15] <shadowhywind> genii theres only one card in the file, only one card in the notebook
[06:16] <michaelpo> gtg to bed...  good night
[06:16] <stdin> good night
[06:17] <fyrmedic> Anyone know of a package that does a good job converting pdf to doc while maintaining formatting?
[06:18] <hyper_ch> hiho, is this normal, that all swap memory is cached?
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Mem:   1034648k total,   754804k used,   279844k free,    22252k buffers
[06:18] <hyper_ch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   350932k cached
[06:18] <genii> shadowhywind: So you are trying to use this machine as a box to assign numbers to a bunch of machines connected to it? Or trying to GET a number for this machine from a dhcp server?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  how did you get that data?
[06:19] <sorush20> hi I keep getting the message conversation with su failed..
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  my 'free' command has the cached line on the MEM: line..
[06:19] <shadowhywind> neather, i am trying to get my usplash not to quit. and i think the issue is due to dhcpd failing on boot
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis: using "top"
[06:19] <Dr_willis> hyper_ch,  you are miss-reading what its saying - is my guess try the 'free' command
[06:19] <hyper_ch>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Mem:       1034648     792768     241880          0      23696     362340
[06:19] <hyper_ch> -/+ buffers/cache:     406732     627916
[06:19] <hyper_ch> Swap:            0          0          0
[06:19] <stdin> hyper_ch: you don't seem to even have a swap
[06:20] <waylandbill> fyrmedic: I know people wished openoffice would do that, although I've never needed to go in that direction. usually it's doc->pdf.
[06:20] <shadowhywind> and i think my problem is now Can't open lease database /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases: No such file or directory
[06:20] <hyper_ch> stdin: I assigned 3gb as swap
[06:20] <Dr_willis> 3gb for swap... egads...
[06:20] <stdin> hyper_ch: is it assigned in fstab ?
[06:20] <ForgeAus> fixed
[06:20] <hyper_ch> stdin: it shows in gparted
[06:20] <ForgeAus> and I know what the problem was now
[06:21] <ForgeAus> ro vs rw
[06:21] <genii> shadowhywind: OK, so you don't need the server part. Do a:  sudo apt-get remove dhcp3-server
[06:21] <ForgeAus> not sure why but something in my menu.lst made my filesystem ro isntead of rw
[06:21] <Rubiko> ok.. another question, any chance I can run wireless lan internet? ndiswrapper doesnt seem to support my usb device
[06:21] <ForgeAus> thats all it was!
[06:21] <stdin> hyper_ch: don't matter, you have to tell the system to use it
[06:21] <Dr_willis> showing in parted - does not mean the fstab is correct.
[06:21] <hyper_ch> Dr_willis:
[06:21] <hyper_ch> # /dev/hda5
[06:21] <hyper_ch> UUID=60fffa79-e257-4550-b38d-4992303dd765 none            swap    sw              0       0
[06:21] <genii> shadowhywind: But you WILL need the client part. So to make sure it's still there do: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-client
[06:22] <stdin> hyper_ch: what dose "cat /proc/swaps" show ?
[06:22] <shadowhywind> genii the server is not installed
[06:22] <hyper_ch> stdin: nothing is returned
[06:22] <genii> shadowhywind: OK, thats fine
[06:22] <stdin> hyper_ch: my guess is that the UUID is wrong
[06:23] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[06:23] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[06:23] <shadowhywind> genii so now what? any ideas?
[06:23] <stdin> hyper_ch: "sudo vol_id -u /dev/hda5" will show it
[06:23] <hyper_ch> blkid did also show it
[06:23] <hyper_ch> (I think)
[06:24] <stdin> hyper_ch: yeah, that will too
[06:24] <hyper_ch> stdin: you were right... there is a wrong UUID
[06:24] <hyper_ch> but how did that happen... strange
[06:24] <shadowhywind> genii the only dhcp packages that i have installed is, dhcdbd, dhcp, dhcp-client, dhcp-helper, dhcp3-client, dhcp3-common, dhcpcd
[06:24] <ForgeAus> so my kubuntu was working all along!
[06:24] <ForgeAus> just under a read only filesystem!
[06:25] <ForgeAus> well not completely fine
[06:25] <stdin> hyper_ch: not sure, but it happened to me once, never figured out why
[06:25] <hyper_ch> stdin: how can I mount it now as swap?
[06:25] <hyper_ch> (I altered fstab)
[06:25] <stdin> hyper_ch: sudo swapon /dev/hda5 (if you use hda5 as swap)
[06:25] <hyper_ch> stdin: maybe that happened when I installed feisty for testing also using the same partition as swap
[06:26] <|Shadow|> hmm, i downloaded my ati drivers for my graphics card
[06:26] <XVampireX> What is a decent window decoration for KDE? :P
[06:26] <|Shadow|> and when i click on it it opens it in edit?
[06:26] <stdin> hyper_ch: yeah, if it was reformatted, that could change the uuid
[06:26] <|Shadow|> i don't wanna edit it i wanna run it :S
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: yeppa, that worked fine :)
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: I didn't reformat it (I think)
[06:26] <hyper_ch> stdin: anyway, it works now :) thx :)
[06:26] <shadowhywind> anyone know waht dhcdbd is?
[06:26] <stdin> hyper_ch: the installer usually does
[06:27] <hyper_ch> hmmm, why do I need swap.... the system run fine for about 2 weeks now without swap I guess
[06:27] <ionny> ciao a tutti
[06:28] <stdin> hyper_ch: I only have a 1GB swap, I hardy ever use it, but it's just in case
[06:28] <hyper_ch> stdin: how much ram have you got?
[06:28] <ionny> qualkuno mi puo aiutare
[06:28] <stdin> |Shadow|: 1) there are ATI drivers already packaged by ubuntu 2) you need to run it in konsole
[06:29] <stdin> hyper_ch: 1.5GB  (now)
[06:29] <hyper_ch> !it | jonny
[06:29] <ubotu> jonny: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:29] <|Shadow|> stdin but the gui thing for enableing dual monitors doesn't work
[06:29] <|Shadow|> so i assume it wants drivers
[06:29] <|Shadow|> and, how do i run it in konsole?
[06:29] <hyper_ch> stdin: going to get a new computer soon and getting probably 4gb
[06:29] <stdin> |Shadow|: normally like "sudo ./FileName"
[06:30] <dwidmann> knapp: ./configure --help (yes, I know, I'm late)
[06:30] <|Shadow|> thanks :)
[06:30] <stdin> hyper_ch: before I added a 1GB stick, it was only 256MB, I used to use the swap all the time :P
[06:30] <knapp> dwidmann I found that, thanks :)
[06:31] <hyper_ch> stdin: anyway, thx for the help... my computer just acted totally weird before... still don't know what it was
[06:32] <stdin> hyper_ch: heh, no problem, just jumped out at me when I saw "Swap:   0k total" :P
[06:32] <hyper_ch> well, I was just confused because there also was "cached" more than 3gb
[06:33] <stdin> afaik the cache is never in swap anyway
[06:33] <Zapper> How can I enable the terminal split in konqueror? It doesn't appear in the normal location with kubuntu.
[06:35] <hyper_ch> stdin: what is then cache?
[06:36] <shadowhywind> ok i am <    > that far away from solving all my problems. i installed the dhcp3-server, and purged it. reboot. No dhcpd problems
[06:36] <shadowhywind> so thanks genni, i think or who ever that was, for helping me with that..
[06:36] <shadowhywind> i now have Starting virtual private network daemon: client(FAILED)
[06:37] <stdin> hyper_ch: it's whn commonly accessed files are stored in the ram, to save time accessing the disk over and over, there is a more advance description here http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management
[06:39] <ForgeAus> I don't seem to be able to run adept
[06:39] <ForgeAus> the updater at least
[06:39] <Zapper> Is the terminal split an additional package?
[06:39] <LjL> then don't, you'll save yourself some trouble ;)
[06:39] <dog> salut, madames et mesieux
[06:39] <BluesKaj> looking for a decent graphics card that runs well with 3D accel, DRI, and beryl on (k)ubuntu...any suggestions ?
[06:40] <hyper_ch> stdin: oh ok :) thx
[06:40] <dog> i woul like to know how can i do a remote login
[06:40] <stdin> !vnc | dog
[06:40] <ubotu> dog: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[06:41] <kosta2> !de
[06:41] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:41] <dog> ubotu: with vnc i can do the login of my kubuntu from another pc
[06:41] <dog> ?
[06:41] <stdin> dog: yes, or for just remote termanal you can use ssh
[06:41] <dwidmann> BluesKaj, I've had good luck with Nvidia cards, so long as it's a GeForce 6xxx or newer it should run beryl pretty smoothly
[06:42] <dog> stdin: i want to have two pc with only a screen
[06:43] <dog> but when i start the pc without the screen, i cannot see what happen
[06:43] <stdin> dog: both will work then, for just a text console use ssh, but for graphical login, use vnc
[06:43] <dog> ok
[06:43] <Zapper> dog, look into synergy.
[06:43] <dog> thanks a lot
[06:43] <dog> synergy?
[06:43] <Zapper> http://synergy.sourceforge.net -- it's pretty much a virtual KVM
[06:43] <BluesKaj> GeForce6xxx eh , dwidmann ...I'm running an onboard ATI with the binary driver for DIR, but it won't do eye candy like compiz/beryl
[06:43] <dog> thank you zapper
[06:44] <genii> bleh last night's power surge has messed up my connection somehow, keep losing sync today
[06:44] <Zapper> dog, http://synergy2.sourceforge.net
[06:44] <dog> i have to see the first or the second?
[06:44] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: well, something along the lines of what I recommended would :)
[06:45] <BluesKaj> ok thx dwidmann , that's what i wanted to hear :)
[06:45] <Zapper> Second dog, my mistake, the first link was incorrect.
[06:45] <dog> thank you zapper
[06:45] <BluesKaj> will do an ebay search
[06:45] <dog> i'm coming to see
[06:46] <dwidmann> BluesKaj: something like a 6600gt or something would be good and pretty cheap
[06:46] <dog> see you
[06:46] <dog> byebye
[06:47] <elyon225> Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[06:47] <Zapper> So how does one enable the (which I presumed was a core element of konqueror) split terminal window in konqueror?
[06:49] <jpiccolo> if i need an enviroment variable everytime i start does that go in .bashrc ?
[06:49] <LjL> jpiccolo: probably .bash_profile may be better
[06:50] <jpiccolo> ok, just put in the statement
[06:50] <jpiccolo> like export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/lib/mozilla
[06:51] <LjL> yes
[06:51] <jpiccolo> k, thanks
[06:51] <LjL> i'm not entirely sure whether .bashrc or .bash_profile is the best place though
[06:51] <LjL> i always mix them up
[06:51] <LjL> it probably won't make a practical difference to be honest
[06:58] <mefisto> need some serious help with aMule
[06:59] <mefisto> somebody can give me a hand?
[07:01] <mefisto> ~___~
[07:01] <mefisto> seems not
[07:01] <LjL> !helpme
[07:01] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:01] <genii> Perhaps state in more detail what help is needed
[07:01] <elyon225> mefisto: What is the problem you're having?
[07:01] <elyon225> Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[07:02] <mefisto> elyon225: whenever I execute aMule it doesn't open anymore
[07:02] <mefisto> and I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling again via adept
[07:02] <elyon225> mefisto: Have you tried running it in a terminal to see if there are any errors?
[07:02] <Tm_T> elyon225: "lock and start new session" is what you need.
[07:03] <elyon225> Tm_T: I've done that... that will bring ME back to the login screen.  But when others log out, they get my password prompt.
[07:03] <Tm_T> Hmm, true.
[07:04] <LjL> elyon225: doesn't seem to be the case for me
[07:04] <Hurizen> Hi all
[07:04] <LjL> though i've already got another user logged in, let me try that again
[07:05] <mefisto> elyon
[07:05] <Hurizen> Someone can help me with screensaver problem?
[07:05] <mefisto> it says something about a mulelock file
[07:06] <elyon225> mefisto: What exactly does it say?
[07:06] <elyon225> Hurizen: What is the problem?
[07:06] <mefisto> There seems to be an instance already running... if not the case you may have to remove /.Amule/mulelock
[07:06] <mefisto> i did delete it but that doesn't solves it, and there aren't any instances of amule running
[07:07] <LjL> elyon225: for that matter, now it dumped me to usplash...
[07:07] <elyon225> mefisto: And have you tried to remove that file?
[07:07] <mefisto> I did
[07:07] <elyon225> mefisto:  sudo rm /.Amule/mulelock
[07:07] <Hurizen> Thanks elyon.. I've set the screensaver (clock screensaver) but when it starts (after 5 minutes) it only shows black screen with a white X
[07:07] <Hurizen> but... If I lock the screen it show the right screensaver
[07:08] <mefisto> there's anywa to restore a program via konsole?
[07:08] <LjL> "restore"?
[07:08] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: ping?
[07:08] <elyon225> mefisto: You could always try removing aMule... then removing the entire /,Amule/ directory.  Reinstall and try that.
[07:08] <elyon225> LjL: Yeah, I would imagine it should be possible...
[07:08] <mefisto> gonna try that elyon
[07:09] <elyon225> LjL: It's kind of silly to have another user get caught in that, you know?
[07:09] <incorrect> does anyone here use teambuilder?
[07:10] <Hurizen> Any Suggestion??
[07:10] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, I'm here
[07:12] <wilman> how to check my inktlevel of my printer in linux?
[07:13] <elyon225> wilman: That depends on your printer's software (which usually isn't available for linux).  THere may be an OSS app that can do it, but I doubt it.
[07:13] <Hurizen> Elyon any suggest for me? =(
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: Sadly, I'm pretty new to Linux myself.  And that sounds like a video driver problem... not sure.
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: What card do you have?
[07:14] <Hurizen> Nvidia
[07:14] <Hurizen> The screensaver works
[07:14] <elyon225> Hurizen: And you have the proper drivers installed?
[07:15] <Hurizen> Yes
[07:15] <elyon225> Hurizen: Yeah... I know it does... hmm.  Does it work when you clikc the "Test" button?
[07:15] <Hurizen> Yes it works
[07:15] <Hurizen> also if i lock the windows
[07:15] <Hurizen> sorry
[07:15] <Hurizen> Lock the desktop
[07:15] <elyon225> Hurizen: So the only time it doesn't is when it starts automatically?
[07:16] <Hurizen> Ecxatly
[07:16] <Hurizen> It shows a white X instead of the clock
[07:16] <elyon225> Hurizen: And the "white X" ... is it a mouse cursor?  Meaning, can you move it with the mouse?
[07:16] <LjL> elyon225: can't find anything relevant, and the actual behavior here on terminating a second session seems to be remarkably randomish
[07:16] <Hurizen> Nono
[07:16] <Hurizen> Is a big white X
[07:16] <elyon225> LjL: I've noticed a lot of randomness in Linux... never the same experience twice :)
[07:17] <mefisto> elyon
[07:17] <elyon225> mefisto: How'd that work?
[07:17] <mefisto> i just restored aMule
[07:17] <mefisto> i did delete all the folders and files
[07:17] <mefisto> and reinstaled
[07:17] <Hurizen> Seems like I have 2 screensavers manager installed or so...
[07:17] <mefisto> now it works... thanks a lot
[07:17] <voicu> can anyone explain me how does guidedog know which interface to route to?
[07:17] <elyon225> mefisto: Oh, good.  My pleasure.
[07:17] <elyon225> Hurizen: What do you mean by 2 managers?
[07:17] <voicu> i cannot find anything that configures that and i it doesn't work
[07:18] <voicu> *and it doesn't work
[07:18] <Hurizen> One with the clock (That doesn't) work... and one with this mysterious X screensaver
[07:18] <Hurizen> but... It seems... not sure about that
[07:18] <elyon225> !guidedog
[07:18] <ubotu> guidedog: NAT/masquerading/port-forwarding configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.0-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 122 kB, installed size 440 kB
[07:19] <elyon225> hmm
[07:19] <elyon225> voicu: Never heard of it, bud... sorry.
[07:19] <knapp> When I try to rip a cd using KAudioCreator is complains "cannot place file, unable to make directories"
[07:19] <elyon225> knapp: Where is it configured to write the ripped files to?
[07:20] <Hurizen> Knapp try with kdesu KAudioCreator
[07:20] <knapp> ~/knapp/documents/audio
[07:20] <knapp> (my home folder)
[07:20] <elyon225> Hurizen: Not a good idea... better to fix the problem instead of risk that. :)
[07:20] <Hurizen> Ohh sorry =)
[07:20] <elyon225> knapp: Have you checked the permissions to make sure you have write access to that folder?
[07:21] <BluesKaj> Hurizen, have you enabled power saving in the sys/settings/Monitor&Display/admin mode ?
[07:21] <knapp> elyon225 yea,  I can write folders to it
[07:21] <Hurizen> I think not.. but I'll check now
[07:21] <elyon225> knapp: You can make sure by typing this in the console: sudo chmod -R +rwxXst /home/knapp/documents/audio/
[07:22] <Hurizen> No Elyon, its not enabled
[07:22] <elyon225> Hurizen: I wasn't the one that asked, but okay ;)
[07:22] <Hurizen> LoL
[07:22] <BluesKaj> elyon225, same for you : sys/settings/Monitor&Display/admin mode
[07:22] <Hurizen> Ahhh right!
[07:22] <Hurizen> Blues sorry... Is not enabled =)
[07:22] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Huh?  I'm not having the same problem :)
[07:23] <Hurizen> BluesKaj, I have that problem... double screensaver =)
[07:23] <BluesKaj> ok, but you were asking about scrnsaver not working...the power setting fixes it if enablesd
[07:23] <Hurizen> I were asking
[07:23] <Hurizen> Really?
[07:23] <Hurizen> I try, Thanks Blue
[07:24] <elyon225> BluesKaj: You're confused lol.  I'm having a problem with sessions... not the screen saver :)
[07:24] <Hurizen> I let you know
[07:24] <BluesKaj> the large X indicates a scrnsaver prob even in sessions
[07:25] <Hurizen> Ok, but if I lock session, It shows the right screensaver
[07:25] <elyon225> BluesKaj: I don't have a big X.
[07:25] <Hurizen> I have I have =D
[07:25] <elyon225> hahah
[07:25] <elyon225> Poor BluesKaj is trying so hard to help me fix a problem I don't have ;)
[07:26] <knapp> elyon225 That didn't fix it :( also tried kdesu ... and that didn't work either.
[07:26] <elyon225> knapp: Okay... do you have enough free space on that partition?
[07:26] <knapp> yes like 80 gigs
[07:26] <elyon225> knapp: And is that exactly what the error message says? Just "Cannot create folders"?
[07:27] <Hurizen> YES! Blue it works now! Problem fixed, Thanks
[07:27] <BluesKaj> well just to let you know the big white X isn't the mouse cursor , elyon225 :)
[07:27] <knapp> "cannot place file, unable to make directories"
[07:27] <atidem> hello folks
[07:27] <elyon225> BluesKaj: No, I know... I was thinking of the small white X that sometimes is the mouse cursor when restarting X (usually doesn't last long)...
[07:27] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Just didn't know what he was referring to.
[07:27] <Hurizen> Eheh
[07:27] <BluesKaj> cool, Hurizen :)
[07:28] <Hurizen> So.. enabling power management had fixed the problem...
[07:28] <Hurizen> It's a bug or?
[07:28] <elyon225> BluesKaj: So think you could fix my problem too?
[07:28] <elyon225> BluesKaj: Is there any way to change the way "Lock Session" is handled?  Right now, when I lock my session, after someone else has logged in and then out again, it shows my screen saver and asks for my password.  I would like it instead to go back to the login screen to start a new session.
[07:29] <elyon225> knapp: Well, the only 2 possibilities I could think of is that it's a permissions problem or a space problem.  I don't use KAudio, though... sorry, bro.
[07:29] <Hurizen> knapp try using another program...
[07:29] <Hurizen> =/
[07:29] <knapp> Whats another good ripper for kde?
[07:30] <Hurizen> try Grip
[07:30] <DaSkreech> how do I copy a bunch of backup files to be non backup?
[07:31] <elyon225> DaSkreech: What kind of backup files are you referring to?
[07:31] <elyon225> !grip | knapp
[07:31] <ubotu> knapp: grip is a ripping player and has a minor bug which can be solved by doing this "sudo ln -s /dev/hdX /dev/cdromN" where X is your hard drive and N a number
[07:31] <DaSkreech> These are currently kate files
[07:31] <DaSkreech> like file.txt~
[07:31] <DaSkreech> but even say file.txt.bak
[07:31] <BluesKaj> elyon225, that's the nature of secure sessions ...they require the pwd, if you want the login scrn for a new session don't lock it . AFAIK :)
[07:31] <DaSkreech> How would I copy and strip the ends?
[07:32] <elyon225> BluesKaj: No, I can lock the session and start a new one (which shows the login screen fine), but for other users, there is no option to Log Out and Start New Session.... so when they log out, it asks for my password.  No reason for that.
[07:32] <Hurizen> Knapp: Is your partition ext3 or FAT?
[07:32] <elyon225> DaSkreech: I assume you don't want to do it one-by-one?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> elyon225: Dear lord no :)
[07:33] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Because that is simply a matter of [cp file.ext~ file.ext] 
[07:33] <knapp> ext3
[07:33] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Ah... not sure how to do batch renaming in linux....
[07:33] <DaSkreech> Yeah how do I make that cp *.txt~ *.txt ?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> thats what the 'rename' command is for. i belive.. or use that kderename tool.
[07:34] <elyon225> DaSkreech: I'd say you could TRY that (but do it with copies in a seperate directory so you don't lose anything if it works unexpectadly)
[07:34] <Dr_willis> or learn your bash :)
[07:34] <knapp> OH, I think I figured what it was
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: I'm trying to learn my bash
[07:34] <YumeNoEien> hi everyone
[07:34] <elyon225> knapp: What's that?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> i always end up making a perl script that THEN generates the proper commands (and prints them out) then i pipe it  through sh. :)
[07:35] <knapp> stand by for confirmation :)
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> wanna rename something?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> but im too old to change my ways
[07:35] <DaSkreech> haha
[07:35] <elyon225> :)
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> use 'mv'
[07:35] <hatta> for each in *.txt ; mv $each $(echo $each | sed 's/txt~/txt/'; done
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> xD
[07:35] <DaSkreech>  elyon225 read man rename and look at the example
[07:35] <LjL> that's terrible
[07:35] <Dr_willis> The AMIGA OS had a similer command to how i 'do it'
[07:35] <hatta> DaSkreech, ^^
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> i remember my old commy 64
[07:35] <hatta> oh I left out a parens
[07:35] <YumeNoEien> ^ ^
[07:35] <hatta> for each in *.txt ; mv $each $(echo $each | sed 's/txt~/txt/'); done
[07:35] <elyon225> DaSkreech: Oh nice :)
[07:36] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Since you've obviously used Linux for a while, could you tell me how to force KDE to ALWAYS return to the login screen when a user logs off?
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm where is it returning to now?
[07:37] <BluesKaj> sorry elyon225 , can't help you there
[07:37] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Right now, if there is another session already locked, logging out just prompts for that session's password.
[07:37] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Ask your video questions here, there are people who are more familiar with the various options and drivers.
[07:37] <YumeNoEien> Does anyone have any experience with WinModems?
[07:37] <BluesKaj> yes jhutchins , i did, thx :)
[07:37] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  ive never used the 2 users on kde at the same time stuff.. guess ya could just disable the user switching features.
[07:38] <knapp> elyon225 nvm I have no idea why it's doing this
[07:38] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I don't want to, though.  For instance, I'll leave myself logged in and downloading torrents overnight.  So I lock my session so others can log in.
[07:38] <elyon225> Dr_willis: I share this computer with a family of 5 :)
[07:38] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i found that creating a vnc session (thats hidden) with a light window manager,  and just running the ktorrent (or whatever) application - works very well for me.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  that way it can run totally hidden. :)
[07:39] <Dr_willis> and i can then access if from other pc's to check up on it.
[07:39] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... not quite what i'm looking for.
[07:39] <Dr_willis> Ive never used the multi-session stuff however. so cant help ya much in that area
[07:40] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Alright... thanks anyway.  Doesn't seem anyone knows why it does this lol
[07:40] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  i imagine theres some options SOMEWHERE in kdm perhaps that may tweak that.
[07:40] <Dr_willis> kde has so many tweakable things - that no one ever notices. :)
[07:41] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Well, as configurable as Linux is supposed to be, I'd be surprised if this couldn't be changed.
[07:41] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  you got the 'user friendly'  side vs the 'let me tweak things MY way side' of programming these days. :)
[07:41] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Although, this method is VERY not user friendly.
[07:42] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Makes no sense to do it this way, really.
[07:42] <DaSkreech> hatta: unexpected token near mv
[07:42] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Is there a configuration utility for kdm?
[07:43] <Dr_willis> The idea that you CAN have multi-user/sessions is a relativity new feature of kde/linux
[07:43] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[07:43] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[07:43] <elyon225> Dr_willis: The only time I've setup a login screen was with gnome's gdmsetup.
[07:43] <Dr_willis> i got a kdm config tool in my menus
[07:43] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... I don't.
[07:44] <elyon225> Dr_willis: At least not under Settings, System, or Utilities.
[07:44] <YumeNoEien> I need to install a driver for my winmodem but i dont know how to do it, can someone help me?
[07:44] <YumeNoEien> :(
[07:44] <Dr_willis> system admin -> login manager
[07:44] <genii> I remember with xdm had to go mess around in obscure subdirs of /etc/X11
[07:44] <Dr_willis> Hmm i started a new Gnome session.. did logout and it exited and poped me to the kde session i started it from
[07:45] <YumeNoEien> Would someone help me if i said i was a young single blond supermodel?
[07:45] <YumeNoEien> =3
[07:45] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Hmm... I didn't see any options for this in there.
[07:45] <DaSkreech> hatta: I think you are missing a do
[07:46] <YumeNoEien> oh well, guess everyone buisy right now. Il try again later on :)
[07:47] <elyon225> !winmodem | YumeHasHisDriver
[07:47] <ubotu> YumeHasHisDriver: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[07:50] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  so when you close session #2 - you want to go back to KDM, NOT session #1
[07:50] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Correct.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> elyon225,  never seen it done that way.
[07:51] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Logging out of session #2, prompts for the password for #1
[07:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:51] <elyon225> Why not? Seems so wrong to do it this way.
[07:51] <elyon225> Then again, I'm thinking of how Windows handles it (Switch User).  I want that kind of thing here.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> it would have to actually close session #2. and spawn a new session to run kdm i guess..
[07:51] <Dr_willis> go ask the #kde guys.
[07:52] <elyon225> Dr_willis: Alright... didn't think of that ;)
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Im suprised it even works as well as it does. heh heh.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> i think its a kdm related setting - because if you dont use kdm - then a lot of the login/session options are disabled.
[07:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm the 'switch user' menu even has a listing of the CONSOLE logins..
[07:53] <Dr_willis> thats... interesting.
[07:53] <ForgeAus> hmm I hate that some packages want to break my *buntu-desktop ones
[07:54] <petepete> ive added the new kde to my /etc/apt/sources.list and updated adept manager, but what do I do now?
[07:59] <torre97> hola
[07:59] <manchicken> Howdy.
[08:00] <|Shadow|> Uhh, i click on K-Menu go to System settings and click monitor and display, and it won't allow me to raise my resolution above 640x480 now
[08:01] <|Shadow|> can anyone please help me to fix this?
[08:01] <manchicken> Are you sure it's got the right monitor and video card selected?
[08:01] <torre97> tego problema con la wifi, en egnome entraba en internet con networmanger. Ahora he instalado kubuntu y no consigo entrar con wifi radar. que puedo hacer?
[08:01] <|Shadow|> how do i find that out?
[08:01] <manchicken> !es } torre97
[08:01] <ubotu> es: An extensible shell based on `rc'. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.90beta1-10.1 (edgy), package size 99 kB, installed size 248 kB
[08:01] <manchicken> !es | torre97
[08:01] <ubotu> torre97: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:02] <torre97> gracias
[08:02] <manchicken> torre97: De nada
[08:02] <torre97> perdonad
[08:02] <manchicken> torre97: Np
[08:02] <|Shadow|> in hardware it says that my graphics card and driver at vesa
[08:02] <|Shadow|> and my monitors are both plug and play
[08:02] <|Shadow|> i've only just installed, trying it out as a alternative to windows :)
[08:04] <jon_chan> I'm on Edgy and my version of Automake is 1.4ish. How do I get it to 1.9 or above. I have backports support in my apt sources and I already performed an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:04] <screemo> anyone experiencing problems with knetworkmanager when logging into kde ? about half of the times, mine just load the applet and the dissappears again
[08:04] <screemo> I'm using wpa/wpa2 on ipw3945
[08:04] <YumeHasHisDriver> elyon225: thank you for the help! I did what the page set and im gonna try and see if it works.
[08:06] <jon_chan> Anyone know why this is a problem?
[08:06] <jon_chan> If so, how do I fix it?
[08:07] <shadowhywind> would Assembling RAID arrays fail cause my usplash to go to text?
[08:08] <genii_> bah my connection is cutting out again
[08:08] <DaSkreech> genii: What convention?
[08:10] <genii_> DaSkreech Well for example some ppl are using the Kickstart method to do automated installs. Others are using ways like netboot or preseeded cdrom images. I'd like it if they standardises on something like preseeding. Right now I have some example preseed files for instance in which the examples for autoadding a user fail miserably.
[08:12] <genii_> DaSkreech Even between stock Debian and Ubuntu the preseed values are radically different for simple things like decaring what locale you have or what timezone and so on. Very frustrating
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Well yeah Welcome to Distributions
[08:13] <genii> ARG ghosted again
[08:14] <padlefot> where do I add entries for autostarting apps when loggin into KDE?
[08:15] <malik> is it possible to change the shortcut "Ctrl++" in firefox to just "+"?
[08:15] <DaSkreech> !autostart
[08:15] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:16] <genii> Somewhere like ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:16] <genii> DaSkreech Heh :)
[08:16] <Ippatsu> !autostart
[08:16] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[08:16] <padlefot> whatsuckscsac<xzc<zxcx<cxzathans Ippatsu
[08:16] <DaSkreech> malik: I guess Don't know why you would want that
[08:17] <padlefot> sorry for that letter mess
[08:17] <DaSkreech> genii: I doubt you'll find Zen in an auto installation for Linux
[08:18] <malik> DaSkreech: just easier to use like opera
[08:18] <genii> DaSkreech Well, I already solved some issues like wrong resolution, what desktop and adding a wvdial user. But just auto-adding a regular default user if baffling the hell out of me
[08:18] <|Shadow|> could anyone please VNC me and sort out my graphics for me?
[08:18] <|Shadow|> i've been trying for 10 hours to get this to work now
[08:19] <|Shadow|> and i'm really fed up with it, gonna give up soon.
[08:19] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[08:19] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:19] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: try that
[08:19] <|Shadow|> oh god, another tutorial
[08:19] <|Shadow|> this will be the 16th one i've read.
[08:20] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: you'll be a better person for it :)
[08:20] <genii> LOL There are just so many manuals to read and so little time to Read all The Freakin Manuals
[08:20] <|Shadow|> most of the manuals i've read don't give correct instructions
[08:21] <genii> |Shadow| Hence the "Freakin" part of RTFM
[08:21] <|Shadow|> lol
[08:22] <malik> is it possible to change the shortcut "Ctrl++" in firefox to just "+"..........any one has any idea?
[08:22] <genii> malik Instead if you have a scrollwheel just use CTRL then the wheel
[08:23] <MidMark> hi
[08:23] <DaSkreech> malik: Might take a recompile...
[08:23] <MidMark> is there a program to add password to pdf in linux? Seems that openoffice cannot do it
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Or it may be in about:config
[08:23] <|Shadow|> uhh, i went in there and did the aticonfig thing
[08:23] <genii> I wonder if about:config  may have a value there to change for that actually
[08:23] <|Shadow|> and i did aticonfig --dtop=horizontal --overlay-on=1
[08:23] <gemidjy> is there a way to check what was last upgraded on the system ?
[08:24] <gemidjy> with apt-get
[08:24] <genii> DaSkreech LOL
[08:24] <|Shadow|> and it said Warning: Option 'DesktopSetup' doesn't affect the running session
[08:24] <|Shadow|> and it had no effect on the screen.
[08:24] <malik> genii: i have gone thru about:config and i cudnt c anything
[08:24] <genii> |Shadow|: That just means whatever change you just made will become active next time you start the X server
[08:25] <|Shadow|> ok, so i'll do a reboot and see if that solves it :)
[08:25] <genii> You could sort contents of /var/cache/apt by time newest first to see what was last installed
[08:26] <genii> |Shadow|: No reboot needed
[08:26] <malik> |Shadow|: u can press Ctrl Alt Backspace instead of restarting
[08:26] <|Shadow|> i still havn't found the thing to just restart x, so i just have to reboot my pc :p
[08:26] <|Shadow|> thats usefull :)
[08:27] <genii> |Shadow|: Yes, ctrl-alt-backspace works. Also to exit to the login screen then restart it from the options listed there
[08:28] <malik> |Shadow|: u can press Ctrl Alt Backspace instead of restarting...........or logout and then click on the document icon on the left side of the login menu n click on restart x
[08:29] <|Shadow|> the situation is still the same though
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Hi nikkiana
[08:29] <|Shadow|> i do the ati thing thats supposed to set up a dual head graphics card for dual display (which is what i have)
[08:29] <|Shadow|> and im still stuck with one display in 640x480.
[08:29] <DaSkreech> |Shadow|: What are you trying to do?
[08:29] <|Shadow|> 2 monitors with bigdesktop at 1024x768
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Ah
[08:29] <DaSkreech> Ok
[08:30] <|Shadow|> its taken me 10 hours to get pretty much no where
[08:30] <|Shadow|> its damned frustrateing
[08:32] <|Shadow|> can anyone please help me to get this working?
[08:32] <|Shadow|> if not im just gonna have to give up and uninstall, linux with 1 monitor at 640x480 isn't worth useing.
[08:32] <timster> Can you get whatpulse on kubntu?
[08:33] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, perhaps someone at #ubuntu may be able to help...
[08:33] <|Shadow|> heh, ubuntu sent me here.
[08:34] <robinwood> d
[08:34] <robinwood> na leute
[08:34] <hatta> ati sucks, sorry
[08:34] <|Shadow|> i didn't choose my card :/
[08:34] <hatta> it's easy enough to do with an nvidia card
[08:35] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, nothing is working, or just 3d?
[08:35] <|Shadow|> nothing is working pretty much, linux starts into kubuntu
[08:35] <|Shadow|> and its locked in 640x480
[08:35] <notech> the ati hardware is good, the drivers need work...in my opinioon
[08:35] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, how did the livecd look?
[08:35] <|Shadow|> the livecd worked at 1024x768
[08:35] <|Shadow|> its when i enabled my secondary screen in the kubuntu gui that this happened
[08:36] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[08:36] <shadowhywind> does anyone have any ideas on why fsck would run everytime on boot. and cause my usplash to switch to text
[08:36] <notech> |Shadow|: maybe post your config to a pastebin so others can look at it
[08:36] <|Shadow|> ok, one sec.
[08:36] <ForgeAus> argh! I have virtual package problems!
[08:37] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, you may have set it to do that?
[08:39] <shadowhywind> devilsadvocate how can i change it?
[08:39] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, there a command called tunefs or something... :|
[08:39] <shadowhywind> for a fat partition?
[08:40] <notech> put it on a diet :)
[08:40] <shadowhywind> hehe
[08:40] <ForgeAus> rofl
[08:40] <devilsadvocate> shadowhywind, no idea about fat partiotions.. havent used them in a while :P
[08:41] <ForgeAus> hmm tunefs doesn't seem to work
[08:41] <sean0h> ok i installed kubuntu
[08:41] <sean0h> resolution all funky
[08:41] <notech> shadowhywind: have you let it complete the fsck?
[08:41] <sean0h> any solutions?
[08:42] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, details?
[08:42] <sean0h> ok
[08:42] <sean0h> geforce fx6600LE
[08:42] <sean0h> vcard
[08:42] <sean0h> i got to desktop
[08:42] <shadowhywind> notech, yes. I have done couple manual ones, but it does the check everytime i boot. In fstab it is set for 1 (which i guess checks it everytime)
[08:42] <sean0h> but resolution was wierd
[08:42] <sean0h> is there a file i have to edit?
[08:42] <devilsadvocate> describe wierd...
[08:43] <sean0h> like all distorted
[08:43] <devilsadvocate> too big, too small, out of proporition?
[08:43] <sean0h> small
[08:43] <sean0h> pixelly
[08:43] <sean0h> out of proportion
[08:43] <notech> shadowhywind: i don't have any fay partitions but maybe the man page will say what 1 is. man for fsck or man for mount
[08:43] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, widescreen?
[08:43] <|Shadow|> http://pastebin.com/871481 is my xorg.conf
[08:43] <sean0h> ya
[08:43] <timster> Kubuntu makes the simlest of games realy slow :(
[08:44] <timster> Is there any fix for this
[08:44] <sean0h> i dont have a widescreen or lsd
[08:44] <sean0h> i think it dont like my vcard
[08:44] <timster> How can i get my graphics card to work properly?
[08:44] <BluesKaj> sean0h, the graphics driver prolly needs to be updated to linux drivers
[08:44] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: are you the one from hwup??
[08:44] <sean0h> OK
[08:44] <|Shadow|> notech heres my xorg.conf http://pastebin.com/871481 :)
[08:44] <devilsadvocate> hwup?
[08:44] <atidem> |Shadow|: do you have a tablet pc?
[08:44] <sean0h> how do i do that
[08:45] <|Shadow|> no
[08:45] <sean0h> sorry i am a noob
[08:45] <sean0h> heh
[08:45] <|Shadow|> normal tower machine :)
[08:45] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: hardware upgrade
[08:45] <newuser> hi all
[08:45] <devilsadvocate> sean0h, you could try getting nvidia drivers. there are loads of howtos on the forums, and nvidia is a far sight easier that ati in this regard
[08:45] <BluesKaj> google linux drivers for the graphics card is what I had to do
[08:45] <newuser> I have a pinnalce pc tv 60e dvb-t does someone teel me if it works under kubuntu 6.10?
[08:45] <devilsadvocate> MidMark, i dont think i am
[08:45] <atidem> |Shadow|: you don't need wacom
[08:46] <|Shadow|> atidem i don't know, i've only installed linux recently
[08:46] <sean0h> now do i not have to edit xorg.conf?
[08:46] <MidMark> devilsadvocate: sorry probably you are another devilsadvocate, how many has? :)
[08:46] <|Shadow|> what should i c hange?
[08:46] <linuxn0Ob> wtf, all nicks are taken in this server!
[08:46] <newuser> !ati
[08:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:46] <notech> |Shadow|: i'm not real familiar with ATI but you monitor section has modeline for 640x480 and the screen section is also 640x480
[08:47] <|Shadow|> i allready have the drivers installed -.-
[08:47] <|Shadow|> heh ok i'll try changeing that
[08:47] <|Shadow|> this really seems to be like a never ending loop with you guys
[08:47] <notech> he needs wacom if he has that device
[08:48] <|Shadow|> i ask ubuntu, they say install the drivers, i install the drivers, still doesn't work, go through loads of tutorials that they link me to, none of those work, they send me here, you guys send me back to ubuntu, then you say drivers again :D
[08:48] <Aarthas> I've got a problem with WPA WLAN, I've tried sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant  as the wiki says, but it says that it cant find any packages...
[08:48] <notech> |Shadow|: i'd try the screen section, change the modeline and you'd need completely new modes for it
[08:48] <Aarthas> anyone know what i can do?
[08:49] <|Shadow|> heh, it won't let me edit it because its read only
[08:49] <sean0h> ok i understand that but to install nvidia drivers do i not have to be able to view desktop properly and get into sudo?
[08:53] <atidem> notech: he doesnt need wacom module
[08:53] <Aarthas> I've got a problem with WPA WLAN, I've tried "sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant"  as the wiki says, but it says that it cant find any packages...
[08:54] <surgy> hello
[08:55] <|Shadow|> heh, back to windows i guess.
[08:56] <Aarthas> comeon, you linux guys use to be very helpfull...
[08:57] <glundberg> does anyone know how to have Adept-Updater ignore certain updates?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> hmm i'm trying to watch fox shows on myspace.com, but it says only windows or apple is supported, if there's workarounds, what are they?
[08:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg you can uncheck it when it says a package is upgradable
[08:57] <|Shadow|> Aarthas lol after being sent around 18 diffrent tutorial websites, that say a long list of completely diffrent instructions to achieve one task (get my dam monitor out of 640x480), and having no help in 4 diffrent linux channels
[08:58] <|Shadow|> i'd say that your about right, the support sucks.
[08:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg u can click on upgradable, and then choose to ignore it
[08:58] <Aarthas> |Shadow|: I've got a 16:10 screen and it's loocked @ 1024x768 :P
[08:58] <tony_> hello...i'm a noob and trying to install mythtv on kubuntu edgy...at one point the instructions say to "create the file /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop" and later to create a script "/usr/local/bin/mythtv.sh"...how do I do this?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> heh, i've got 2 monitors on a dual head graphics card.
[08:59] <tony_> how can I create a file and a script?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> and i've spent the past 18 hours trying to get help
[08:59] <Aarthas> I've got a crappy laptop graphics chipset...
[08:59] <|Shadow|> waste of my dam time, should have just stuck with windows and not bothered to install the thing.
[08:59] <glundberg> Balsamic_Chicken: that's not an option.  there's Cancel Changes, Request Removal, Request Purging
[08:59] <ForgeAus> cyall
[08:59] <Aarthas> perhaps we should go back to WinXP?
[08:59] <|Shadow|> Aarthas im allready there.
[08:59] <Aarthas> :)
[08:59] <ForgeAus> hehe XP is ok but kubuntu us better
[08:59] <Lil_Eagle> I just tried myspace and it says it is not available for people outside of the U.S.  Stupid browser shouldn't identify my country.
[09:00] <Balsamic_Chicken> glundberg click cancel changes
[09:00] <ForgeAus> (with VMware you can have both!
[09:00] <glundberg> Balsamic_Chicken:  if I choose Cancel Changes, the system tray icon stays there
[09:00] <|Shadow|> ForgeAus i beg to differ, if a operating system takes 18 hours and i still can't get the dam thing out of 640x480
[09:00] <|Shadow|> then it wins the suckyness award by default.
[09:00] <ForgeAus> shadow, but are your results typical?
[09:00] <Aarthas> yes, but kubuntu won't work, and no one helps me so...
[09:00] <tony_> any help on how I can create a file and script?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> Aarthas what doesn't work about it?
[09:01] <|Shadow|> no, i've seen alot of people with this problem begging for help, nobody bothers.
[09:01] <|Shadow|> either that or we get posted around multiple tutorials that are incorrect.
[09:01] <Aarthas> it says "couldn't find any packages..."
[09:01] <baloe> Where can I find Hercules Smart TV drivers for kubuntu ?
[09:01] <ForgeAus> you mean adept?
[09:01] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, it works... open a terminal and type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:01] <Aarthas> ah, well, I'll try again tomorrow, gonna watch TV now
[09:02] <tony_> so nobody knows how to create the file "/usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop"????
[09:02] <|Shadow|> sigh, i'll try that. if it doesn't work im going to uninstall
[09:02] <|Shadow|> extra 3gb of hard disk space ftw.
[09:02] <ForgeAus> Shadow which video card?
[09:02] <ciro> !repositories
[09:02] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:02] <|Shadow|> ati eax1600pro
[09:02] <notech> threats of uninstalling tends to limit help from others
[09:02] <ForgeAus> wow ... thats pretty hot!
[09:03] <|Shadow|> notech well, its a ditch attempt. i have been trying to get help for the past 18 hours
[09:03] <ForgeAus> I'm not certain if Linux will support all that your card can do
[09:03] <ciro> guys where can I find a good repos list?
[09:03] <|Shadow|> so if anyone had any intesnion of helping, chances are they would have done it by now.
[09:03] <tony_> I'm not even sure anyone is answering me at all!!! sigh...
[09:03] <|Shadow|> and i know full well my card sucks, i've been told that many times.
[09:03] <xenol> ciro type !source-o-matic
[09:03] <ForgeAus> theres an flxgr ??? or something driver
[09:03] <ciro> !source-o-matic
[09:03] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:03] <ForgeAus> no it doesn't suck
[09:03] <ciro> tnx :D
[09:03] <xenol> :)
[09:03] <ForgeAus> it's just linux hasn't really caught up with it
[09:04] <|Shadow|> yes, i have that driver installed.
[09:04] <xenol> just build ur repos for ur own country
[09:04] <ForgeAus> shadow then whats the problem?
[09:04] <tony_> HELLO.....HOW DO YOU CREATE A FILE!!!! Please help me!! Please
[09:04] <ForgeAus> you can't cahnge res?
[09:04] <|Shadow|> i have a dual head graphics card, i have 2 monitors, and linux decides its going to run 1 monitor in 640x480
[09:04] <ForgeAus> whats in monitor settings?
[09:04] <|Shadow|> i want both my monitors running.
[09:04] <Lil_Eagle> how do you create a file in windows?  Same here.  Right click and say new...
[09:04] <|Shadow|> not much, pretty much all the settings are blanked out.
[09:05] <ForgeAus> ahh theres a tool um radeontool? that I had for that multi-monitor support
[09:05] <ForgeAus> but then yours isn't a radeon, so I'm not sure if it will work
[09:05] <tony_> I have to create the file mythtv.desktop and place it in /usr/share/xsessions/...how do I do this???
[09:05] <|Shadow|> yes mine is a radeon
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and it fits under that driver, and i have that driver installed
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and i've done the initializaing commands for it
[09:05] <ForgeAus> you got radeontool too?
[09:05] <|Shadow|> and it STILL doesn't work.
[09:06] <ForgeAus> hmmm ok.. well I don't know...
[09:06] <ForgeAus> not for sure anyhow
[09:06] <Lil_Eagle> tony_, you'll have to do that as root.  Normal accounts don't have write permission there... you can do this:
[09:06] <ForgeAus> there probably is a way tho
[09:06] <|Shadow|> just trying that sudo command now :)
[09:06] <ForgeAus> running dual monitors shouldn't be too difficult
[09:07] <ForgeAus> lol sudo command probably wasn't meant for you anyway shadow
[09:07] <ForgeAus> (I think they had the nick wrong)
[09:07] <Lil_Eagle> type sudo touch /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop
[09:07] <ForgeAus> hey underdog :)
[09:07] <tony_> woo hoo..thank you Lil_Eagle!!
[09:07] <ForgeAus> know much about ATI cards? Shadow could use some help with multiple monitors
[09:07] <ForgeAus> my all in one wonder card can do that too but i havn't as yet USED multiple monitors for it
[09:08] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:08] <|Shadow|> if anyone does actually want to help me, i have VNC up and running
[09:08] <ForgeAus> sounds like the second one is defaulting to a base VGA adaptor or something
[09:09] <ForgeAus> Shadow, sorry I don't know HOW to help you any more than just refer you to read whatever documentation you can find
[09:09] <ForgeAus> (or google stuff)
[09:09] <ForgeAus> or wait for a guru here that knows more
[09:09] <Lil_Eagle> do guru's come here?
[09:09] <ForgeAus> there was one really good wiki
[09:09] <ForgeAus> about ati drivers
[09:10] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, google it.
[09:10] <ForgeAus> I don't have the webpage anymore tho (at least I don't think I do
[09:10] <tony_> Lil_Eagle...thank you..i've created the file...but when i click to open it...i can't...I have to put a bunch of info in this file...how do I do this?
[09:10] <|Shadow|> ugh not again
[09:10] <|Shadow|> i've read 18 damned tutorials
[09:10] <ForgeAus> ahh have you been here? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Main_Page ?
[09:10] <|Shadow|> i've been sitting here trying to do this for nearly 19 hours now
[09:10] <|Shadow|> do you honestly think i havn't googled?
[09:11] <|Shadow|> i dunno if i wanna read a 19th tutorial on how to fix this.
[09:11] <|Shadow|> its getting VERY repetative.
[09:11] <ForgeAus> I take it you've done all this stuff : sudo aticonfig --initial ?
[09:11] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, just navigate to it with Konqueror then right click and choose Action->Edit as Root.
[09:11] <ForgeAus> sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv
[09:12] <ForgeAus> sudo aticonfig --internal-agp=off
[09:12] <|Shadow|> yes i did that.
[09:12] <ForgeAus> actually what do you get from: fglrxinfo
[09:12] <ForgeAus> ???
[09:12] <|Shadow|> hey i reconfigured the x thing and i've gone up to 1024x768
[09:12] <|Shadow|> which is atleast a move in the right direction.
[09:12] <ForgeAus> but you can't get the other monitor to follow suit
[09:13] <Lil_Eagle> Anyone know how to configure a browser not to identify which country one is in?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> thats the one
[09:13] <ForgeAus> did the ati radeon tool have the dual monitor gui control?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> the other monitor shows a exact clone of the 1st monitor (i think thats a hardware thing)
[09:13] <ForgeAus> um lil you mean konqueror?
[09:13] <|Shadow|> fglrxinfo returns some stuff about mesa
[09:13] <ForgeAus> theres a browser identification thing in konqueror
[09:13] <ForgeAus> you can set it
[09:13] <ForgeAus> (in either preferences or tools)
[09:14] <ForgeAus> theres a string that lets you alter that kinda stuff
[09:14] <|Shadow|> thats where one of the tutorials i read went wrong, it said that i should see stuff about fglrx there and not mesa
[09:14] <|Shadow|> and it gave me a long list of troubleshooting things to solve it, none of them did.
[09:15] <Lil_Eagle> I'm trying now...
[09:16] <Lil_Eagle> Man does it look different in Konq.
[09:16] <|Shadow|> so uhh, with enableing the second monitor
[09:16] <ForgeAus> hmmm shadow mostly about 3d acceleration for it
[09:16] <|Shadow|> im in the Monitor and display thing, in the hardware tab
[09:16] <|Shadow|> Graphics card is ati, driver is fglrx, monitor 1 is custom 1, monitor 2 is <unknown>
[09:16] <Lil_Eagle> Nope, get endless redirect and reload.  Oh well.  Browser wars.
[09:16] <ForgeAus> shadow how about ATI control ?
[09:16] <ForgeAus> its an extra package
[09:16] <|Shadow|> ah cool
[09:17] <|Shadow|> before when i tried to start this it started in some low mode
[09:17] <|Shadow|> without any settings
[09:17] <|Shadow|> but now t heres alot more settings
[09:17] <ForgeAus> its not in the "control panel" (known as system settings in kubuntu)
[09:17] <ForgeAus> yeah
[09:17] <ForgeAus> might be able to fix it now
[09:18] <|Shadow|> i clicked on big desktop and hit apply, it said i had to restart X, i do ctrl + alt + backspace, log back in and its exactly as it was before i hit apply lol
[09:18] <tony_> Lil_Eagle...I've created the script Mythtv.sh...how do I add something into there...it says I don't have write acces...denied
[09:18] <|Shadow|> clone mode :(
[09:18] <|Shadow|> but i set it to big desktop horizontal
[09:18] <ForgeAus> actually it doesn't idnetify location but it can identify language
[09:18] <ForgeAus> not sure if that helps lil
[09:19] <Lil_Eagle> Lang is English.  It goes by ip address.
[09:19] <ForgeAus> you have to set a checkbox on to add it
[09:19] <ForgeAus> well then no browser identification is going to help
[09:19] <ForgeAus> you have to either proxy your IP somehow or find another way
[09:20] <ForgeAus> I can't really help you other than that
[09:20] <|Shadow|> so, im in the ATI Control panel thing
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i go to desktop setup, it appears to see 2 monitors
[09:20] <ForgeAus> yeah does it show both monitors?
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i click the "Big Tesktop Horizontal" button, click apply
[09:20] <|Shadow|> it tells me i need to reboot the XServer for changes to take effect
[09:20] <|Shadow|> i do ctrl + alt + backspace, log in again. and its still clone
[09:21] <Lil_Eagle> Yeah, and I can't hide the IP because that's my ISP's router doing it and I'm not aloud to change it's setup.
[09:21] <ForgeAus> hmmm Shadow :( sorry your having bad luck.... not sure why that didn't work
[09:21] <|Shadow|> heh :(
[09:21] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, welcome to proprietary software.
[09:21] <|Shadow|> i'll try a complete reboot
[09:21] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:21] <ForgeAus> yeah that might help
[09:21] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle with your router, you can probably get firmware updates.
[09:22] <|Shadow|> i know you can got the bt homehub things
[09:22] <|Shadow|> bt homehub = netgear \o/
[09:23] <|Shadow|> one thing thats slightly strange is i have 2 ATI Control things in my K Menu
[09:24] <|Shadow|> but they both appear to be functional.
[09:24] <Lil_Eagle> Yes, but they send the updates.  If I do anything they'll cut me off.  I'm not in U.K. and don't have bt.
[09:25] <|Shadow|> aww, :(
[09:25] <Lil_Eagle> They don't know that I run more than one computer from the router.  (well maybe they do now :))
[09:25] <ForgeAus> I gotta go sleep
[09:25] <ciro> !beryl
[09:25] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:25] <ForgeAus> shadow  probably kmenu duplicating it
[09:25] <ForgeAus> don't worry just delete one
[09:25] <Lil_Eagle> If you're in Au, you're 3:30 in the AM!
[09:26] <ForgeAus> yeah thats about right wait 7.30 you mean
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> (or so)
[09:26] <|Shadow|> ok :)
[09:26] <ForgeAus> I havn't slept yet!
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> Go to bed.
[09:26] <ForgeAus> I'm about to
[09:26] <tony_> I need to add "gnome-screensaver, mythfrontend"and some other stuff to mythtv.sh script..how do i do this?
[09:26] <ciro> !beryl
[09:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[09:26] <ForgeAus> had too many kubuntu problems to fix lol
[09:26] <ForgeAus> loosing sleep over it
[09:26] <Lil_Eagle> You don't in KDE...
[09:26] <ForgeAus> bye
[09:27] <Lil_Eagle> Bot, beryl is cool...
[09:27] <LobsterWing> \
[09:27] <Lil_Eagle> see what I mean about IP, we can see where the people come from.
[09:28] <tony_> how do I do this guys? add text to a script file?
[09:28] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, you'll need to use gnome for that.  If you don't have it, you can easily get it from the repos.
[09:29] <LjL> tony_: a text editor usually helps
[09:29] <Lil_Eagle> I told you, navigate to it, then right click, select Action-> Edit as Root.
[09:29] <Lil_Eagle> Cut and Paste....
[09:29] <|Shadow|> oO, i think i made it work sorta
[09:30] <|Shadow|> i clicked test and it went into this grey screen with a big X as a mouse pointer
[09:30] <|Shadow|> but, it was dual display and i could move the pointer between my 2 screens
[09:30] <|Shadow|> which means that linux must by default know what my hardware is, and know that its functional :)
[09:31] <|Shadow|> WOOT its working
[09:31] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, you're getting there...
[09:31] <|Shadow|> hahahahaha sweet, only took 19 hours lol
[09:31] <ciro> guys who can I installa ati drivers on edgy?
[09:31] <ciro> !ati
[09:31] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:31] <ciro> done :P
[09:31] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, think of the adrenaline rush... nothing like that happens with Windows.
[09:32] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:33] <newbie> don't say the dirty word WINDOWS
[09:33] <newbie> lol
[09:34] <|Shadow|> lol
[09:34] <|Shadow|> well it sorta worked
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Can I say winBlows?
[09:34] <|Shadow|> for some reason my left screen kinda scrolls around the desktop
[09:34] <LjL> i'd rather you said Windows
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Windoze?
[09:34] <|Shadow|> and when i move the mouse to the right screen it turns into a big square
[09:34] <voicu> why the hell doesn't ktorrent download or upload anything? http works fine, irc works fine, everything works. i have no firewall, i have a real ip, there are seeders, etc, etc, etc
[09:34] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, you're seeing standard XWindows.  No Display Manager (if it's like you said)
[09:35] <DaSkreech> How do I see who just logged into my machine?
[09:35] <voicu> wtf is wrong with it?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> My hard drive just dissappeared while I was working on it
[09:35] <LjL> DaSkreech: tail /var/log/auth.log
[09:35] <Lil_Eagle> Ktorrent works, but better off with Azureus...
[09:35] <fdoving> DaSkreech: something like 'lastlog -t 1' ?
[09:35] <LjL> DaSkreech: disappeared like what?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> Like i was working on it
[09:35] <Lil_Eagle> Poof!
[09:36] <DaSkreech> opened a file hit save and the folders were gone
[09:36] <LjL> well if it was the root filesystem, i doubt you *have* logs :P
[09:36] <voicu> Lil_Eagle, if i needed another client i would have asked or searched for one. i am asking for advice on this really annoying issue
[09:36] <DaSkreech> It was ~
[09:37] <tony_> Lil_Eagle there is no edit as root option...I can open it in a text editor and than add the lines..but it won't let me save it...what gives?
[09:37] <LjL> DaSkreech: have you turned off the machine?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Nope
[09:38] <LjL> then do it
[09:38] <LjL> use a CD to audit it
[09:38] <DaSkreech> No one logged it says
[09:38] <DaSkreech> >_<
[09:38] <Lil_Eagle> Hmm, You runing Kubuntu right?  Dapper?  Edgy?  Breezy?
[09:38] <DaSkreech> ok let me try save this work
[09:38] <tony_> kubuntu edgy
[09:38] <LjL> well do you have any reasonable explanation as to why your home might have gone away, unless there was an intruder?
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Well someone asked me for a song about 20 minutes ago
[09:39] <Lil_Eagle> Funny, that option is standard.  OK, do it different.  open a terminal...
[09:39] <DaSkreech> I was listening to music and it turned off
[09:39] <DaSkreech> So I thought someone was doing something to get back at me
[09:39] <tony_> alright...terminal open
[09:40] <DaSkreech> Then I realized I couldn't save and thought let me keep following up the hoax path to see if I was right
[09:40] <Lil_Eagle> sudo kwrite /usr/share/xsessions/mythtv.desktop
[09:40] <Lil_Eagle> (paste it)
[09:41] <LjL> DaSkreech, if you have a CD handy, a boot from there and a run of chkrootkit and rkhunter certainly won't hurt at any rate
[09:41] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:41] <Lil_Eagle> I told you normal users couldn't write there.
[09:41] <djwilcox> i just installed kubuntu on my mac as a dual boot
[09:41] <tony_> thank you...sudo kwrite...gotta remember that!!!
[09:42] <tony_> it worked
[09:42] <djwilcox> but i have no sound - whats the k mix
[09:42] <DaSkreech> LjL: I'm getting an input/output error when remounted to a new folder
[09:42] <Lil_Eagle> Tony, a better way is to press Alt-F2 to run a command and use kdesu in place of sudo.
[09:42] <DaSkreech> LjL: of course I can't unmount it since it's obviously in use
[09:43] <LjL> DaSkreech, is /home on a different partition? different HD?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Partition
[09:43] <Lil_Eagle> DaScreech, then it's not gone.
[09:43] <LjL> DaSkreech, do you have smartmontools installed?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: I know it's still there physically :)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Yup
[09:44] <Lil_Eagle> Tony's now trying to get mythtv working...
[09:44] <LjL> DaSkreech: then check smartctl -A for starters. though i still suggest you just shut down the machine ASAP and do your checks from a CD, if you have any suspect of an intrusion, which you do
[09:45] <LjL> (if you go by the book, that should be done by pulling the plug, but i might understand it if you didn't want to do it that way)
[09:48] <Lil_Eagle> (kidding) you said it disappeared.
[09:49] <blekos> hello guys i have 2 major problems, 1st is that my wirelles connetction is not activated on startup and i have to run wirelles manager to connect
[09:49] <blekos> i tried to change it from system settins but no luck, any ideas?
[09:49] <DaSkreech> LjL: I don't think You understand. The "intrusion" would have been friendly and everyone who could do it is in this room
[09:49] <Lil_Eagle> blekos, hmm, can you activate it in a script?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Anyway I asked and no one is sore with me for not giving over my song on demand
[09:50] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i start using proxy? i have switchproxy for firefox installed, how do i get it to work, i only care cuz i wanna watch the myspace fox videos that i can't watch right now because i'd need window or mac
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Plus it's from the ftp server at OpenBSD
[09:50] <blekos> hmm, how?
[09:50] <DaSkreech> I'm starting to hate XFS
[09:51] <LjL> DaSkreech: hm, they friendly wiped your /home...? :P
[09:51] <Lil_Eagle> XFS?  Why are you using XFS?
[09:52] <DaSkreech> LjL: No I thought they friendly killed all my music till I saved
[09:52] <blekos> the prob is that it delays start up a lot cause it tries to connect unsuccesfully -no right permissions??-
[09:52] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: Experiment
[09:52] <DaSkreech> It got decent ratings
[09:53] <Lil_Eagle> Sorry, but XFS isn't reliable.... But then again, I used Reiser4 for a while...
[09:53] <DaSkreech> LjL: how do I read the output of smartctl -A ?
[09:53] <LjL> DaSkreech: black magic... just pastebin it
[09:53] <LjL> DaSkreech: basically if something looks very suspicious, it probably is
[09:54] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[09:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:54] <Lil_Eagle> Bot, this is Kubuntu (and it's on the topic here too.
[09:54] <DaSkreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3499/
[09:55] <DaSkreech> Lil_Eagle: Vote for my bot_smack :-)
[09:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> how do i start using proxy? i have switchproxy for firefox installed, how do i get it to work, i only care cuz i wanna watch the myspace fox videos that i can't watch right now because i'd need window or mac
[09:55] <TurnTheOtherWay> woah operas a disorientating irc client
[09:55] <TurnTheOtherWay> stdin: are you here?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Proxy won't help that
[09:56] <misja> hey. how can I get the name of my sound card (driver)?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> LjL: Nothing fails ever
[09:56] <firecrotch> I remember seeing a link to a page with instructions on how to customize Ubuntu Live CD's.  Anyone know the link?
[09:56] <DaSkreech> Plus the rest of my stuff is ok
[09:56] <DaSkreech>  I think it's probably the File system
[09:57] <Lil_Eagle> Google!
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Which I can't unmount
[09:57] <LjL> DaSkreech, SMART attributes can be suspicious without showing up as "failed"
[09:57] <Lil_Eagle> DaScreech, reboot a live CD.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> I know
[09:57] <DaSkreech> It's not a binary attribute
[09:57] <DaSkreech> :-(
[09:57] <LjL> DaSkreech: "buffer i/o error" doesn't sound like "you can't unmount because it's being used", though
[09:57] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech i'm on kubuntu, is there a way to work around http://creative.myspace.com/VOD/24/index.html so i can watch the video there?
[09:58] <hak5fan> Does anyone know how to download sourcecode form a cvs repo?
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: Use Konqueror or Firefox and change your Display agent string
[09:58] <DaSkreech> !cvs
[09:58] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[09:58] <Lil_Eagle> I can't watch it.
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Or install cervesia
[09:58] <Lil_Eagle> Even if I used Windows.
[09:58] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech how =)
[09:59] <xenol> how can i create partition from shell?
[09:59] <xenol> i have 14 GB unallocated space and want to make it FAT32
[09:59] <xenol> convert?
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Display agent extension with Firefox or Tools -> change identifcation in Konqui
[09:59] <TurnTheOtherWay> anyone got raid?
[09:59] <elyokko> HEY NO ENTIENDO
[09:59] <elyokko> alguien habla espaol
[09:59] <elyokko> ?
[10:00] <Lil_Eagle> hmm, a fat partion?  why?
[10:00] <xenol> why not ? :)
[10:00] <DaSkreech> LjL: Yeah it doesn't if I ls or save anything in a folder mounted under home I get an i/o error
[10:00] <elyokko> alguien sabe el servidor de kubuntus pero en spaol
[10:00] <firecrotch> !es
[10:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[10:00] <DaSkreech> LjL: If I try to umount it so I can fsck it I can't cause it's being used
[10:00] <Lil_Eagle> No, no hablamos espanol.
[10:01] <DaSkreech> can I reboot without a home folder?
[10:01] <darkblue> anyone here with good knowledge about getting beryl to work?
[10:01] <devilsadvocate> firecrotch, google for gnewsense
[10:01] <surgy> is it just me or does firefox seem wayyyyyy faster than konq?
[10:01] <firecrotch> devilsadvocate: thanks!
[10:01] <Lil_Eagle> Follow the how to.  Bot --- Beryl....
[10:02] <firecrotch> !beryl | darkblue
[10:02] <ubotu> darkblue: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:02] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Woah strange hours for you
[10:02] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[10:02] <darkblue> I have followed the how to and installation, and I have gotten it installed etc, just that I am running into some problems that I cant find answers for
[10:02] <BluesKaj> !TV Wonder Pro
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about TV Wonder Pro - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <xenol> !partiotions
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partiotions - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:02] <xenol> !partitions
[10:02] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:03] <hak5fan> ubotu:  can't get in to the site.... well I could be it told me that I would want to visit the wiki.... and I can't get in
[10:03] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech where's display agent extension in firefox? thx
[10:03] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu is a bot...
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot... - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <xenol> hak5fan: lol
[10:04] <DaSkreech> Balsamic_Chicken: It's an extension check https://addons.mozilla.org
[10:04] <Balsamic_Chicken> ok thx
[10:04] <hak5fan> xenol: yes he's a bot I found out.........
[10:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> DaSkreech do u happen to know the name? or possible names for the extension?
[10:05] <hak5fan> but somone could have called them ubotu to be funny........
[10:05] <DaSkreech> Nope :)
[10:05] <Balsamic_Chicken> thx tho =)
[10:05] <DaSkreech> LjL: ok Here goes
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hey Da
[10:06] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech.  meeting.
[10:06] <hak5fan> does anyone... apart from the bot know how I download source files from a cvs repo
[10:07] <|Shadow|> uhh
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Ah
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my monitors are set to 1024x768
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my hardware is set to 1024x768
[10:07] <|Shadow|> my desktop is scrollable, why?
[10:07] <devilsadvocate> |Shadow|, :D
[10:07] <DaSkreech> Ha ha That still happens?
[10:07] <|Shadow|> yea :(
[10:07] <DaSkreech> hak5fan: install cervesia
[10:07] <hak5fan> ok
[10:10] <hak5fan>  cervesia is not in the repos
[10:11] <Jucato> !info cvs | hak5fan
[10:11] <ubotu> cvs: Concurrent Versions System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.12.13-3 (edgy), package size 1607 kB, installed size 3528 kB
[10:11] <Lil_Eagle> Hey, I just noticed that my Desktop Preview and Pager works with Beryl!
[10:12] <Lil_Eagle> It didn't work in 3.5.5
[10:12] <hak5fan> Jucato:  ok
[10:12] <Jucato> Lil_Eagle: one of the changes in 3.5.6
[10:13] <Lil_Eagle> Cool.  I noticed a few other little things, but that was one that was bugging me.
[10:13] <Lil_Eagle> ha ha, bug bugging me.
[10:14] <Jose> Hi all, does anyone know a good "how to" to install kubuntu from the internet? (No cd in my old laptop)
[10:14] <djwilcox> just installed kubuntu on my mac but no sound
[10:15] <djwilcox> says kmix not running
[10:15] <djwilcox> do i have to select an output device for the audio
[10:17] <djwilcox> the sound keys dont seem to work on my keyboard
[10:17] <djwilcox> did i set up the keyboard layout wrong
[10:19] <Balsamic_Chicken> what is the firefox addon that will let it tell websites that i'm running on windows rather than kubuntu
[10:20] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: not sure (as I don't use Firefox), but look for something called Browser Identification or User Agent
[10:20] <Lil_Eagle> Chicken what happens if you use konqueror and have it identify as mozilla?
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato oo cool, thx alot
[10:20] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato just found it, thx =)
[10:22] <djwilcox> are their any issues with the sound on g4 powerbooks and kubuntu 6.10
[10:22] <djwilcox> does kmix control sound in kubuntu
[10:22] <DaSkreech> User Agent! That's it!
[10:24] <DaSkreech> djwilcox: Yes
[10:24] <djwilcox> kmix controls the sound output
[10:24] <djwilcox> and u have to choose from a drop down menu
[10:26] <blekos_> any ideas why kcontrol is not accessible from the kmenu?
[10:26] <blekos_> but need to write on shell?
[10:26] <waylandbill> darn good question
[10:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato sorry to ask, (don't know where to search for this), but im' trying to watch http://creative.myspace.com/VOD/24/index.html , and after using user-agent, it asks me to download move media player, which is a *.exe file, is there anyway to install this?
[10:27] <waylandbill> wouldn't matter if all was available in the system configurations
[10:27] <blekos_> xcatly
[10:27] <Jucato> Balsamic_Chicken: sorry, like I mentioned earlier... don't use Firefox...
[10:27] <Jucato> I don't use Firefox
[10:27] <Lil_Eagle> Too complicated?  Replaced with System Settings.  Add it yourself.
[10:27] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato cool thx tho =)
[10:28] <blekos_> the thing is that it used to be among with other menus and submenus such configurations etc
[10:28] <blekos_> sometimes i am getting really frustrated with linux
[10:28] <Balsamic_Chicken> Jucato what do u use? maybe i'll just switch to that
[10:28] <blekos_> it seems i do the same thing [installation]  and getting different resutls
[10:28] <waylandbill> i just do alt-f2, kcontrol... but I rarely have to to be honest.
[10:28] <Jucato> konqi
[10:29] <Balsamic_Chicken> cool i'll try that out
[10:29] <Lil_Eagle> It's not KDE moving the kcontrol, it's kubuntu.  Just add a new menu item and put it in.
[10:30] <waylandbill> I had firefox blow up three times today on a gigantic api document with many links... konq displayed it wonderfully.
[10:30] <vbgunz> using ps aux | grep '[n] ame' how can I kill a certain application by pid?
[10:30] <djwilcox> in the sound system prefs - hardware it says it audio device autodetect
[10:30] <blekos_> how can i restart kicker?
[10:30] <djwilcox> but i dont have any sound
[10:30] <Jucato> blekos_: if it's still running, press Alt+F2, "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[10:31] <Lil_Eagle> yeah, look at www.myspace with firefox and then with konq.  It's not the same!
[10:31] <Jucato> blekos_: if it isn't running, Alt+F2, "kicker"
[10:31] <Lil_Eagle> oops.  www.myspace.com
[10:31] <vbgunz> heh
[10:31] <vbgunz> retarded, never tried kill
[10:31] <blekos_> o i c, i'm installing kde 3.5.6 ;)
[10:31] <waylandbill> Lil_Eagle: not the same meaning better or worse?
[10:32] <Lil_Eagle> blekos, Beryl works much better with it.
[10:32] <waylandbill> vbgunz: you can use Ctrl-Esc to bring up the process table and kill from there as well.
[10:33] <frojnd> !k3b
[10:33] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[10:33] <vbgunz> waylandbill: thanks, but using several different profiles of Firefox doesn't exactly show me the offending one, it seems I can only find it with px aux *unless* I am missing a column :|
[10:34] <scooter> hi can someone help me install adobe flashplayer onto my system please
[10:34] <blekos_> btw i am also dealing with a rather strange problem. I try to install new dictionaries in oo but the wizard window is sawn half its original size and i'mnot allowed to resize it!!!
[10:35] <scooter> i need to know how to navigate to the files in the terminal
[10:35] <Jucato> !flash | scooter
[10:35] <ubotu> scooter: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:35] <ubotu> scooter: Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:35] <scooter> ok thanks
[10:36] <msdlk45> sul8er
[10:37] <djwilcox> can anyone tell me how get the sound working
[10:37] <djwilcox> di use kmix or the sound system prefs
[10:38] <ciro> guys who can tell me a nice program similar to windows live messanger?
[10:39] <|Shadow|> hmm ok this is starting to frustrate me, seriously how do i stop this from making my desktop scrollable
[10:39] <Lil_Eagle> ciro gaim
[10:39] <Jucato> djwilcox: kmix is a mixer/volume control. sound settings are in System Settings (afaik)
[10:39] <Jucato> ciro: Kopete
[10:40] <Lil_Eagle> jucato, yeah, you're right.
[10:40] <|Shadow|> i can't use linux with my entire desktop being scrollable, lol
[10:41] <djwilcox> thanks afaik - do i select from the drop down menu for the audio output
[10:41] <|Shadow|> seriously wheres the setting to switch this stupid scrolling desktop off
[10:41] <Jucato> |Shadow|: what desktop scrolling?
[10:42] <|Shadow|> its like my desktop is bigger than my screen
[10:42] <|Shadow|> and when i move my mouse to the top, the desktop scrolls up
[10:42] <Lil_Eagle> Try beryl and let your windows wobble or burn!
[10:42] <|Shadow|> same for left\right\down too
[10:43] <|Shadow|> yea im gonna get beryl soon as i got my 2 monitors working properly without this scrolly stuff :S
[10:43] <Lil_Eagle> I had that scrolling with debian.  It's xorg.conf messed up.
[10:43] <|Shadow|> well, i have no clue how to edit xorg.conf
[10:43] <|Shadow|> shall i pastey it?
[10:43] <Jucato> |Shadow|: in your xorg.conf, try looking for a line that says "virtual" and comment/disable that or configure X to remove resolutions that are higher than your max resolution
[10:43] <Jucato> !xconfig | |Shadow|
[10:43] <ubotu> |Shadow|: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh 
[10:43] <Lil_Eagle> I can try.  ATI card right?
[10:43] <|Shadow|> yea
[10:44] <Lil_Eagle> let me see.
[10:44] <Jucato> !pastebin | |Shadow|
[10:44] <ubotu> |Shadow|: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:44] <wedgeV> when i want to google something in konqueror it pops up a dialog asking me if it should open the URL with firefox or save as...
[10:45] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle http://www.pastey.net/5721
[10:45] <Jucato> wedgeV: in Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations, make sure that .html files are associated with Konqueror
[10:45] <|Shadow|> Jucato its a bit more complicated than re running xserver, because im useing 2 monitors.
[10:45] <webben> I'm trying to compile webkit QT on Kubuntu with the 2nd snapshot of KDE4
[10:45] <Jucato> wedgeV: and Embedding is set to KHTML
[10:45] <wedgeV> thanks Jucato
[10:46] <webben> Does anyone know how to get the webkit build process to think qmake-qt4 is qmake?
[10:47] <blekos_> could u tell me if u have exactly the same on ur kmenu [if u havent altered it]  1.Graphics 2. Internet 3. Multimedia 4.Office 5.System 6. Utilities 7.add/remove 8.find 9.help 10. system settings -actions-run , switch, lock,log out
[10:48] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, I'm not sure but I think it's the line:  Option  "Video Overlay" "on"
[10:48] <|Shadow|> blekos_ you have stuff missing i think
[10:48] <blekos_> i know, but want to check it
[10:48] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle what should i change it to?
[10:48] <JmGV> is anyone using kubuntu amd64 bits?
[10:48] <blekos_> could u pls tell me how to "add" them?
[10:49] <JmGV> it seems not to be as well finished as the 32bits one
[10:49] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, remove that line and restart X.  See if it changes (you can always add it back).
[10:49] <JmGV> even third party have their drivers more unstable that 32 bits
[10:49] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle ok :)
[10:49] <JmGV> the same for Xfree
[10:49] <Lil_Eagle> Also note that mine shows Video RAM and UseFBDev
[10:49] <JmGV> it doesnt work easily
[10:50] <blekos_> any ideas pls
[10:50] <Lil_Eagle> I used to.  Switched back to 32.
[10:50] <JmGV> the X11 xorg.conf configuration is not very good
[10:50] <JmGV> do you think i should swap to 32?
[10:50] <the_hammer> any wireless laptop users that use pcmia cards??
[10:50] <JmGV> if i am looking for stability
[10:50] <Lil_Eagle> jmGV depends on what you do with the computer.
[10:50] <frojnd> Temp3:       +72C  (low  =   +15C, high =   +45C)   sensor = thermistor  !! what is Temp3 ??
[10:51] <Lil_Eagle> Stabitly is same, compatibity is a different issue.
[10:51] <the_hammer> seeking out anyone that has a laptop that uses pcmia NetGear WG511
[10:51] <the_hammer> if this is you pls answer
[10:51] <JmGV> i make software
[10:51] <|Shadow|> uhh, how do i edit xorg.conf
[10:52] <|Shadow|> the file system seems to be diffrent here, i can't get above home
[10:52] <|Shadow|> i did sudo gedit xorg.conf is that the right thing? :)
[10:52] <Lil_Eagle> jm, compiling might be faster with 64 bit, but not much...
[10:52] <JmGV> well i will try 64
[10:52] <JmGV> lets see
[10:53] <Lil_Eagle> you have gedit?  That's ubuntu (gnome) but it's my favorite editor.
[10:53] <JmGV> use vi
[10:53] <JmGV> i am sure you have it
[10:53] <|Shadow|> yea i have it, ubuntu came with gnome but i switched
[10:53] <the_hammer> Jm if ya have a 64 the 32 will run faster :)
[10:53] <|Shadow|> im not really worried about which editor i use i just wanna get linux up and running properly :)
[10:53] <Lil_Eagle> sudo gedit /etc/apt/X11/xorg.conf
[10:53] <|Shadow|> so uhh, i edited the xorg.conf in /home/shadows
[10:53] <condor> hi @ll
[10:53] <JmGV> the_hammer:
[10:53] <|Shadow|> lol ok
[10:54] <JmGV> i am thinking about to install debian, instead *ubuntu
[10:54] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle opens up a blank file
[10:54] <devin_> anyone running feisty ?
[10:54] <the_hammer> mepis beta is pretty cool is what im running here
[10:54] <Lil_Eagle> Duh, forget the apt...
[10:54] <JmGV> but debian doesnt detect my ethernet card
[10:54] <Lil_Eagle> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:54] <the_hammer> what kinda card?
[10:54] <JmGV> a broadcom
[10:54] <the_hammer> gigabyte?
[10:54] <|Shadow|> yea found it
[10:55] <|Shadow|> woa this ones alot diffrent to the one i had open
[10:55] <the_hammer> mepis might be able to
[10:55] <|Shadow|> i was viewing the wrong xorg.conf lol
[10:55] <the_hammer> i have a gigabyte card and it detected it
[10:55] <Lil_Eagle> when toy restart x you'll lose everything open...
[10:55] <JmGV> wow, i must test it
[10:55] <the_hammer> beta 4 is 1 i got
[10:55] <JmGV> the problem i have with linux is that i spend too much time configuring and reconfiguring... i need the time to develop
[10:55] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle www.pastey.net/5723
[10:56] <Lil_Eagle> Mepis is Kubuntu Dapper tweaked.  Debian is *buntu made harder.
[10:56] <|Shadow|> thats the right xorg.conf :)
[10:56] <the_hammer> lol
[10:56] <JmGV> anyway i hate windows, so... i have no choice
[10:56] <the_hammer> im with ya there man
[10:57] <the_hammer> im currently having probs with my lappy i have wireless card but cant get er goin
[10:57] <JmGV> :-) sometime i have the feeling as i was always fixing linux
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> shadow that file is signicantly different.  There's tons of monitor resolutions in it.
[10:57] <JmGV> well, wireless is a nightmare
[10:57] <the_hammer> hell ya at it 3 days so far
[10:57] <|Shadow|> yea :S
[10:57] <|Shadow|> so what should i do?
[10:57] <the_hammer> goin on 4
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> jm, you're right.
[10:57] <JmGV> i am happy having my graphics card and my wire network
[10:57] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, where did the first one come from?
[10:58] <the_hammer> kubuntu dont like my card
[10:58] <|Shadow|> home/shadows
[10:58] <the_hammer> vid card that is
[10:58] <|Shadow|> this one came from /etc/X11
[10:58] <manu_> hi
[10:58] <the_hammer> kubuntu is ok BUT i cant stand a 600x800 with a 21inch monitor
[10:58] <the_hammer> thats just wrong
[10:58] <webben> is there going to be a new KDE4 snapshot for Kubuntu any time soon, and if not, does any know a howto for building a newer qt4/kde4 snapshot?
[10:58] <the_hammer> lol
[10:58] <JmGV> what is curious it that my kubuntu detect the card but it doesnt work. I mean, if you type iwconfig, you can see it, but it doesnt work
[10:59] <JmGV> the_hammer :D
[10:59] <the_hammer> i have a saphire x550
[10:59] <the_hammer> 256mb
[10:59] <Lil_Eagle> the last one is the one that xorg is using.  That's what your problem is.  I can't tell you for sure that it will work, but I would suggest:
[10:59] <dettoaltrimenti> where can I see how much space is left on my hard drive?
[10:59] <manu_> i wnated to download a big directory of a ftp server (900files and a lot of fodlers) konqueror always stops @ 22kb, then i wnated to do it in terminal with "ftp" but it wont work, i dont understand the manual and google cant help me cause ftp is a common word
[10:59] <Xif> Is it true that KDE tries to be more customizable, while Gnome strives for simplicity?
[10:59] <manu_> can you help me plz?
[10:59] <JmGV> i can made my graphics card works donwloading drivers from nvidia web page, but even doing that i must touch xorg.conf sometimes
[10:59] <HymnToLife> dettoaltrimenti, df -h (in a terminal)
[11:00] <|Shadow|> Lil_Eagle you would suggest...?
[11:00] <the_hammer> lol
[11:00] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp ~/xorg.conf /etc/X11
[11:00] <dettoaltrimenti> thanks
[11:00] <|Shadow|> you want me to type that?
[11:00] <webben> maybe ii need to ask in kubuntu-dev
[11:01] <JmGV> manu_ ftp protocol doesnt allow you to download recursive folder
[11:01] <JmGV> you can do it using some application
[11:01] <JmGV> try nc
[11:01] <Lil_Eagle> paste it, and pray that it works.  If you get a blank screen then hit ctrl-alt-f1 and put the old one back.
[11:01] <manu_> JmGV: so with ftp i can only download file after file (and upload file after file)?
[11:02] <manu_> JmGV: whats nc?
[11:02] <fribuntu> Hi all
[11:02] <|Shadow|> "cp: cannot stat `~xorg.conf': No such file or directory"
[11:02] <JmGV> if you use the true ftp client, yes
[11:02] <manu_> hi fribuntu
[11:02] <SSJ_GZ> webben:There's a guide for compiling KDE4 from svn, I'll try and find it.
[11:02] <JmGV> nc is a software
[11:02] <JmGV> if you want to upload/download folders using ftp, you must use a client that do it for you
[11:02] <manu_> JmGV: yes the "true" ftp client for terminal
[11:02] <Lil_Eagle> your home folder is /home/shadows right?
[11:02] <fribuntu> Does anyone know how to "force" install a package without getting its dependencies also installed?
[11:02] <webben> SSJ_GZ, I really need to compile so that I can just use it compile something ... don't want to mess up the rest of my system.
[11:02] <|Shadow|> yes it is
[11:02] <JmGV> ftp doesnt do it
[11:02] <JmGV> i must restart
[11:03] <webben> So like the released Kubuntu snapshots really.
[11:03] <JmGV> come back soon
[11:03] <manu_> JmGV: what about gftp is it able to do it?
[11:03] <JmGV> gftp is a graphics client
[11:03] <JmGV> it should work
[11:03] <JmGV> but in the same way that konqueror does
[11:03] <SSJ_GZ> webben:That's fine - it's installed into the home directory of a separate user account.
[11:03] <webben> ah cool
[11:03] <SSJ_GZ> webben:You simply delete it when done.
[11:03] <JmGV> gftp is a gnome application, you can test it because perhaps the konqueror problem is something with kde libs
[11:03] <JmGV> try it
[11:03] <JmGV> came back soon
[11:04] <manu_> JmGV: konqueror stops strangely @ 22KB downloaded files, i had no problem to downsload 53mb of files via ftp but it was less files
[11:04] <php-freak> how do i run a ip whois on linux again?
[11:04] <SSJ_GZ> webben:http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
[11:04] <php-freak> duh whois
[11:04] <php-freak> lol
[11:04] <webben> SSJ_GZ, wicked thanks :)
[11:04] <[MuKKinA] > ehm.. sorry anibody speak italian?
[11:04] <SSJ_GZ> webben:np - good luck!
[11:05] <|Shadow|> !it
[11:05] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:05] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:05] <[MuKKinA] > tnx |Shadow|
[11:05] <|Shadow|> woot, i helped someone lol
[11:06] <|Shadow|> "cp: missing destination file operand after `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.old'"
[11:06] <|Shadow|> "Try 1cp --help' for more information."
[11:06] <Jucato> |Shadow|: what was the exact command you entered?
[11:06] <Lil_Eagle> oh gee.  do it in 2 commands then.
[11:07] <|Shadow|> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:07] <|Shadow|> ok
[11:07] <Jucato> |Shadow|: you mistyped
[11:07] <Lil_Eagle> wait, that's not right...
[11:07] <|Shadow|> same error, missing destination file :P
[11:07] <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:07] <Jucato> |Shadow|: <Lil_Eagle> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf xorg.conf.old && sudo cp /home/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:08] <Lil_Eagle> just copy and paste it.
[11:08] <Jucato> :)
[11:08] <|Shadow|> ok it said nothing this time
[11:09] <|Shadow|> so i assume that worked :)
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> bye...
[11:09] <Dasnipa`> maybe
[11:09] <|Shadow|> and i had to change /home/xorg.conf to /home/shadows/xorg.conf
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> hit ctrl-alt-bksp
[11:09] <|Shadow|> still 2 screens, scrollable lol
[11:09] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:09] <Lil_Eagle> you're back that fast?
[11:10] <|Shadow|> yea i have a relatively fast box :)
[11:10] <slyfox> Anyone knows anything about networking with windows box?
[11:10] <kidko> Has anybody else had their X server crash to a black screen?
[11:10] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:11] <tamacracker> kidko did you do the latest update? with edgy?
[11:11] <slyfox> Why is it that I cannot delete files properly form windows, I have mounted with full read and write permission my windows box and whenever I try to delete a large file, say 600mg, it kind of hangs as if deleting for Linux means pulling the file from windows box to linux box and then deleting. Can I delete fiels straight from windows box via CIFS mounting ?
[11:11] <dettoaltrimenti> how do I do a quick restart with linux? ctrl+something?
[11:11] <Jucato> tamacracker: hm... it's not really an applet. it's KHotNewStuff
[11:11] <tamacracker> maybe?...
[11:11] <tamacracker> all i know i open it, and it looks up the latest themes
[11:12] <tamacracker> a long with background.
[11:12] <Lil_Eagle> Shadow, I can tell you the problem lies with your xorg.conf file, but exactly what to put in it or take out of it to fix your problem I can't say.
[11:12] <kidko> tamacracker: Yes, I think I just updated it yesterday.
[11:12] <Lil_Eagle> sorry
[11:12] <tamacracker> kidko the update ruined my X as well
[11:12] <|Shadow|> dam :(
[11:12] <kidko> Do you have it fixed, or are you running it text only too?
[11:13] <Lil_Eagle> slyfox, search the forums.  Plenty of info there.
[11:13] <Lil_Eagle> dett:  you can restart x with ctrl-alt-bksp
[11:14] <|Shadow|> is there any way to zoom in and out on ubuntu?
[11:15] <kidko> tamacracker: Do you know any way to fix it, or am I just stuck?
[11:15] <|Shadow|> that would solve the problem if i could zoom out a bit
[11:15] <tamacracker> kidko... im sorry i had to actually reinstall X because I couldn't go online to ask for help.
[11:15] <Lil_Eagle> shadow, I don't think so.  reconfigure your video card.
[11:16] <|Shadow|> :(
[11:16] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !video drivers
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about video drivers - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <|Shadow|> i don't know how, i only installed a few days ago
[11:16] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !ati
[11:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:16] <|Shadow|> -.-
[11:16] <kidko> tamacracker: how did you reinstall? Through apt-get or anther way?
[11:16] <|Shadow|> you sent me there a few hours ago, and i told oyu i've allready installed them
[11:16] <|Shadow|> i've been sent there atleast 20 times now, starting to get annoying.
[11:17] <Lil_Eagle> ubotu: !reconfigure video
[11:17] <tamacracker> lol i literally used the Live CD, and just reinstalled the whole operating system
[11:17] <Lil_Eagle> That was cute.  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:17] <tamacracker> im sure there's a fix
[11:17] <tamacracker> im not the person to ask for help on that situation.
[11:17] <|Shadow|> heh
[11:18] <Lil_Eagle> shadow.  Sorry, wrong cue to the bot.
[11:18] <|Shadow|> i have to be root
[11:18] <|Shadow|> how do i login to root?
[11:18] <Lil_Eagle> sudo  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:19] <Lil_Eagle> but if you ever want to be root you can do: sudo -i and get a root prompt.
[11:19] <Lil_Eagle> then you don't have to type sudo in front of everything.
[11:20] <|Shadow|> package xserver-org is not installed a nd no info is available
[11:20] <|Shadow|> :(
[11:20] <ciro> !ati
[11:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:20] <Lil_Eagle> CLI - The way of the past is the way of the future.
[11:20] <Lil_Eagle> its xorg, not org
[11:20] <tamacracker> Does anyone know the name of the applet that looks up themes on the internet for you? and you can download em?
[11:21] <|Shadow|> ah, thanks
[11:21] <Lil_Eagle> remember that command.  You might need it a lot.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> bash: ...: command not found ... what gives?
[11:22] <Soul^Reaver> itsays bash? its telling you bash your pc then type in the command :P
[11:22] <Aristoteles_-__> Salud.
[11:22] <Soul^Reaver> j/k
[11:22] <Lil_Eagle> get out the sledge hammer.
[11:22] <kidko> After using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and running through all of the prompts, it should work on a restart of the server, correct?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> smartasses :)
[11:23] <Lil_Eagle> Well, that command will rewrite the xorg.conf file, so you never know what you'll get when you restart X.
[11:23] <Soul^Reaver> everything working but nessus, ne1 know how to change ass to login to nessus? doesnt give me an option
[11:23] <underdog5004> guys! www.woot.com is selling a 2.5Ghz box for 250bucks...comes w/ keyboard, mouse, ethernet, etc...no monitor!
[11:24] <Lil_Eagle> Yeah and I pay $250 to get it shipped here.
[11:24] <Soul^Reaver> pass*
[11:25] <underdog5004> nope, 5 bucks for shipping
[11:26] <Lil_Eagle> not to here.
[11:26] <underdog5004> ok...just lettin' everyone know about it...
[11:29] <Jucato> !away > juano__
[11:30] <juano__> !guidelines
[11:30] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:30] <kidko> Does anybody here know a good way to downgrade X?
[11:30] <juano__> Jucato: whats wrong with away ?
[11:30] <Jucato> juano__: please turn of your public away message
[11:30] <juano__> Jucato: ohh sorry, read it already
[11:31] <mz_> hi all
[11:31] <Jucato> juano__: if you're on Konversation, disable the "Show away message"
[11:31] <juano__> Jucato: k , nevermind i wont put that again lol
[11:31] <Jucato> juano__: Press F2 -> Edit -> Identity Edit -> Away tab
[11:32] <juano__> Jucato: sorry :-) didnt know at all
[11:32] <Jucato> juano__: yeah. that's why I mentioned it :)
[11:32] <mz_> jmnd aus ger?
[11:32] <Jucato> mz_: English please
[11:33] <mz_> k,someone from ger?
[11:33] <Jucato> ger = germany?
[11:33] <Lil_Eagle> next door?  NL...
[11:33] <mz_> yesss
[11:33] <Jucato> !de
[11:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:33] <Lil_Eagle> !nl
[11:33] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[11:34] <kidko> Does anybody know how to install an older version of a package using APT-GET (specifically, an X server)?
[11:34] <Lil_Eagle> Interesting, support for kubuntu and edubuntu in german but only ubuntu in dutch
[11:34] <Lil_Eagle> kikdo, I would like to learn that too.  Google time.
[11:34] <SpAwN> Lil_Eagle, id say they consolidated the nl ones into ne
[11:35] <SpAwN> *one
[11:35] <Jucato> Lil_Eagle: that really depends on the LoCo team or if someone wants to make a channel for it
[11:35] <Jucato> Lil_Eagle: LoCo channels are on a per-request basis
[11:36] <slyfox> What can I use to do Remote Desktop control over home lan network ?
[11:36] <Lil_Eagle> kidko:  http://dot.kde.org/1129647180/1129679808/1129679867/
[11:36] <kidko> Thanks
[11:37] <distro-tester> hello
[11:37] <distro-tester> hi jucato how are u?
[11:37] <Lil_Eagle> Not enought people speak Dutch, and most Dutch people speak English or German so it makes sense.
[11:37] <Jucato> hi distro-tester. doing fine :)
[11:37] <Lil_Eagle> Damn, it seems I forgot how to type.
[11:38] <Lil_Eagle> What would we do without google?
[11:38] <slyfox> Jucato: can you help ?
[11:38] <Jucato> slyfox: hm... depends on what...
[11:38] <slyfox> Jucato: What can I use to do Remote Desktop control over home lan network ?
[11:38] <silver2> I need to find out how to get Kubuntu to recognize my Best Data external modem
[11:38] <Lil_Eagle> Time for bed.  'night all....
[11:38] <Jucato> slyfox: ah... sorry, no can do... I don't know those stuff.
[11:38] <distro-tester> they told me mepis will soon unite whit ubuntu is that true?
[11:39] <Jucato> distro-tester: no
[11:39] <spitwise_> ssh -X
[11:39] <spitwise_> ?
[11:39] <distro-tester> btw ubuntu is unique heeh
[11:39] <Jucato> distro-tester: what's true is that MEPIS has switched over to using Ubuntu as their base rather than KNOPPIX (or was it Debian?)
[11:39] <juano__> Jucato: whats the silent away "/ away reason"??
[11:39] <distro-tester> debian it hink
[11:39] <distro-tester> t*
[11:40] <distro-tester> best distros are debian based
[11:40] <Jucato> juano__: yep. /away message
[11:40] <spitwise_> slyfox: ssh -X ..read the man page, cool stuff
[11:40] <juano__> Jucato: can i use that?
[11:40] <Jucato> juano__: most definitely :)
[11:40] <juano__> Jucato: great thanks
[11:41] <slyfox> spitwise_: I am a noob. Should I google ssh -X or waht is it ?
[11:41] <kidko> What is the next-most recent version of X? (Not the current, new release)
[11:41] <spitwise_> slyfox: you use your konsole?
[11:41] <distro-tester> can u tell me what to enable in repository whit multireverse near couse i just reintalled so a part universe can u list me all i nead enabled?
[11:41] <distro-tester> universe backports then?
[11:41] <spitwise_> ssh -X username@ip.add.ress
[11:42] <distro-tester> there was a list of all of them that should be enabled whit multireverse near to them if u still have it
[11:42] <spitwise_> ssh tunnels you to the machine and the X argument should allows the X11 forwarding
[11:43] <slyfox> spitwise_: Well, I can only do the basics, Anything GUI like ?
[11:43] <spitwise_> slyfox: open your konsole and type: man ssh
[11:43] <spitwise_> ssh is invaluable
[11:43] <tamacracker> http://wwCan someone please help me install Gnome-Art, this site gives directions but it's not working: http://www.miketech.net/gnome-art/
[11:43] <distro-tester> any one has the list of all the stuff to enable whit multireverse near to it in repository?
[11:43] <spitwise_> ssh is pretty basic, i dunno if there's a gui type thingy
[11:44] <distro-tester> was a big list
[11:45] <distro-tester> spitwise u got the list all all the ports to enable in repository whit multireverse neard to them?
[11:45] <distro-tester> near*
[11:45] <spitwise_> distro-tester: huh?
[11:45] <distro-tester> my grammar ahah sorry
[11:46] <distro-tester> i asked if u got the list of what to enable in repository whit multireverse near to it
[11:46] <distro-tester> couse i just reinstalled
[11:46] <spitwise_> in your sources.list?
[11:47] <distro-tester> in adept repository where u do manage repos
[11:47] <kidko> Could somebody inform me of the second-to-newest X package name? (Should be something like 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu3, except that's a kontact version)
[11:47] <distro-tester> it's a big list to enable whit multireverse near to it
[11:47] <spitwise_> well type: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:47] <spitwise_> kate being your text editor
[11:47] <Jucato> !kdesu
[11:47] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[11:48] <distro-tester> yes then what i have to enable whit universe backports and rest?
[11:48] <Jucato> !multiverse | distro-tester
[11:48] <ubotu> distro-tester: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:48] <spitwise_> read the comented lines, it will tell you what to UNcomment
[11:49] <distro-tester> thanx jucato but tha's just universe and backports was much more to enable
[11:49] <distro-tester> if i don't go wrong
[11:49] <spitwise_> just take off the # next to the multiverse line:
[11:49] <distro-tester> like 6 or 5 ports
[11:49] <spitwise_> #Multiverse
[11:49] <spitwise_> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[11:49] <Jucato> it has instructions on how to *add* multiverse
[11:49] <spitwise_> ..is what mine looks like
[11:49] <distro-tester> i know that
[11:50] <Jucato> spitwise_: there's not multirverse line by default. you have to add it
[11:50] <Jucato> the only multiverse lines in there by default would be the one for backports
[11:50] <spitwise_> hmm i didn't
[11:50] <spitwise_> mine was there
[11:50] <Jucato> hm... source-o-matic?
[11:50] <spitwise_> i got backport lines also
[11:50] <spitwise_> but maybe its cuz i use ppc?
[11:50] <kidko> Could somebody inform me of the second-to-newest X package name? (Should be something like 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu3, except that's a kontact version)
[11:51] <distro-tester> ok wait ill explain better jucato i know how  to enable ports writting multirevese near to it but was asking whic ports i have to enable afther i did universe and backports i rember they where more
[11:51] <spitwise_> i did have to uncomment it, but it was there
[11:51] <Soul^Reaver> 4.?? newest anything edgy is 6.10 think dbain 4.6 what u looking for ?
[11:51] <distro-tester> last time i rember i did enable like nearly all of them
[11:51] <Soul^Reaver> oubountu is simular to unbuntu gnome correct?/ should be about 5 or 6.X
[11:51] <Tikigawd> guys i want to run kubuntu in vmware on windows what do i need?
[11:52] <Soul^Reaver> delete windows & run kubuntu lol
[11:52] <Jucato> distro-tester: like I said, you have to ADD multiverse. you just enabled the one in backports. you have to add "multiverse" to the line that only has "universe"
[11:52] <Tikigawd> no i am a gamer
[11:52] <Tikigawd> i cant do that
[11:52] <Jucato> !info xorg | kidko
[11:52] <ubotu> xorg: X.Org X Window System. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 44 kB
[11:52] <Soul^Reaver> linux has wine or cedega o play games from windows
[11:52] <Tikigawd> are vmware appliances a good alternative?
[11:52] <Soul^Reaver> to*
[11:52] <Jucato> kidko: ^^^
[11:52] <distro-tester> yes i knew that so once i did that to universe and backports do i nead to enable anything else jucato or im done?
[11:52] <Tikigawd> i am to lazy to install it :d
[11:53] <Jucato> distro-tester: can you pastebin your sources.list?
[11:53] <d0uglas> is there something that will fire up my eth1 when the wireless drops so i dont have to do a dhclient periodically?
[11:53] <distro-tester> ok
[11:53] <distro-tester> 1 min
[11:53] <Soul^Reaver> wine not hard to d/l & install
[11:53] <Soul^Reaver> as for being lasy then ur sol
[11:53] <Jucato> !pastebin | distro-tester
[11:53] <ubotu> distro-tester: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:53] <Jonty> Ok, grub, installed on my hda boot sector, has been corrupted. What do I do to put it back, like the installed did it
[11:54] <Soul^Reaver> well u need a bug egg to turn into a larve then a grub :P
[11:54] <Tikigawd> is haiku any good?
[11:54] <Tikigawd> haiku os?
[11:54] <Soul^Reaver> jonty how did grub become corrupt?
[11:55] <d0uglas> App to reconnect wifi on dropped signals?
[11:55] <Jonty> Soul^Reaver: I'm not sure, possibly Paragon
[11:55] <Soul^Reaver> not a disk error? it might be recoverable by a disk scan
[11:56] <Jonty> Soul^Reaver: All I know is the hard disk is intact but it seems like something's happened to the boot sector
[11:56] <Jonty> and thus grub
[11:56] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[11:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:56] <Soul^Reaver> if track 0 fails u cant use grub :(
[11:56] <Soul^Reaver> hhmmm..
[11:56] <slyfox> Jucato: remote desktop is very easy ! Enable Remote Desktop (VNC) on Kubuntu
[11:57] <Tikigawd> is slackware a good distro?
[11:57] <slyfox> Jucato: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/kubuntu/enable-remote-desktop-vnc-on-kubuntu/
[11:57] <Soul^Reaver> the partition is intact, are you using kubuntu live cd or have 1?
[11:57] <Jonty> Is there a GUI or command line tool to at least see if it's there?
[11:57] <Jucato> slyfox: it's not that it's difficult.. I just don't have auser for it
[11:57] <Jonty> Soul^Reaver: Linux is safe on hdb. Windows occupies all of hda except for the boot sector, where Grub is
[11:57] <distro-tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3510/ there u go jucato exclude universe and backports that i still have to enable and tell me what esle i nead thanx
[11:57] <Soul^Reaver> well if u can access ur linux in gui you can access the diskmanagment too see if artition is there
[11:58] <d0uglas> ahh ifplugd found one.
[11:58] <Soul^Reaver> partiton*
[11:58] <slyfox> Jucato: what is VNC ?
[11:58] <Jonty> I know the partitions there
[11:58] <d0uglas> !vnc
[11:58] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[11:58] <Soul^Reaver> I forgot the command line code to check psrtition
[11:58] <Jonty> Soul^Reaver: I can access all the files there. It's just grub fails with a disk error when trying to load itself
[11:59] <distro-tester> haha tv is making spot of vista here in italy couse tonigth will be out in all the world it's m$ whitenight to download it free 30 day trial
[11:59] <Soul^Reaver> yeah either files corrup or what fear is track 0 is dead
[11:59] <Jonty> track 1?
[11:59] <Jonty> I doubt it. I reckon it's just that the boot sector's corrupt
[11:59] <distro-tester> !love
[11:59] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[11:59] <Soul^Reaver> no track0 thats the boot sector
[11:59] <Jucato> distro-tester: in lines 16, 17, 31, 32, add the word "multiverse" beside "universe" and uncomment (remove the #) the lines
[11:59] <Soul^Reaver> track 0*
[11:59] <walter> 000
[11:59] <Jonty> Soul^Reaver: It won't have gone, it's just corrupt
[12:00] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:00] <Soul^Reaver> yes u can partition the HD in ntfs or dos with /mbr to possibly fix it
[12:01] <Soul^Reaver> everything might be there just not a valid format
[12:02] <ana12345> kubuntu auf deuscht jubuotu?
[12:02] <Soul^Reaver> anything else cus I gotta crack this guys bios, a customer bought a laptop bios encrypted :P
[12:02] <distro-tester> can u do it for me jucato then i save it to kate im scared to mess up but ill learn soon
[12:03] <Soul^Reaver> hate laptops u cant just pull jumper :(
[12:03] <Soul^Reaver> ne1 kow the trick ot get past a dell inspyron 3500 laptop bios pass??
[12:04] <Soul^Reaver> know*
[12:04] <Jucato> distro-tester: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3512/
[12:04] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:06] <distro-tester> i have to remove all the #to?
[12:07] <Jucato> distro-tester: just do it exactly like that
[12:07] <distro-tester> ok i copypasted it now i save then show u it
[12:08] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[12:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:08] <Jucato> er..
[12:08] <NamShub> i cant have glx without nvidia's driver, right? (i dont care for dog-slow 3d app, I just want it to start)
[12:08] <Jucato> distro-tester: remove the line numbers if you're just copy-pasting...
[12:08] <Soul^Reaver> Need help to crack a Dell inspiron 3500 laptop pass for customer
[12:08] <Jucato> anyway.. brb...
[12:08] <distro-tester> ok
[12:08] <distro-tester> did that
[12:11] <distro-tester> what's comand to see what version of kde i got jucato?
[12:11] <Soul^Reaver> version
[12:11] <ana12341> jucato spricht auf deuscht bitte
[12:11] <Jucato> distro-tester: in any kde app, go to Help -> About KDE
[12:11] <Morbo> If you right-click on the panel and go to help->about kde
[12:11] <Soul^Reaver> ana1 we dotn understand what u saying
[12:12] <Jucato> distro-tester: or in Konsole, type "kde-config --version"
[12:12] <Jucato> !de | ana12341
[12:12] <ubotu> ana12341: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:12] <djwilcox> kubuntu 6.10 doesnt find my soundcard
[12:12] <distro-tester> is it last one
[12:12] <distro-tester> Qt: 3.3.6
[12:12] <distro-tester> KDE: 3.5.5
[12:12] <distro-tester> kde-config: 1.0
[12:12] <distro-tester> ?
[12:13] <Jucato> distro-tester: KDE 3.5.5
[12:13] <djwilcox> anyone know to to select your sound card for audio output
[12:13] <distro-tester> i nead to update to 3.5.6 then how u do that ?
[12:13] <dco> muito bom o kde 3.5.6
[12:14] <BluesKaj> is ~./bash a necessary file if  /etc/bash.bashrc already exists ?
[12:14] <Jucato> distro-tester: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[12:14] <distro-tester> hope won't be hard heeh
[12:14] <Jucato> !br | dco
[12:14] <ubotu> dco: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.