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| bhale | Mithrandir: could you please process beagle in new before herd3? | 12:39 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 02:55 |
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| Tonren | Hey guys, can anyone humor me for a few minutes while I ask a few questions about why Ubuntu networking works the way it does? | 03:38 |
| shackan | everybody's asleep and I'm not the right person to answer, but what do you mean ? | 03:39 |
| Tonren | shackan: Well, I've done a lot of configuring and re-configuring on multiple Ubuntu setups (server, desktop, laptop, etc.), and I've installed, been disgusted with and uninstalled numerous GUI helpers, and in general, I'm just a little fuzzy on why networking is such a pain in the ass on Ubuntu. | 03:41 |
| Tonren | (I don't have much experience with other distros, so it may be Linux in general, but I haven't heard nearly as many horror stories from users of other distros.) | 03:41 |
| Fujitsu | I find the GUIs (especially NetworkManager) to be fine. | 03:41 |
| Tonren | Fujitsu: NetworkManager *literally* became a nightmare for me. I had so much trouble with it that it actually disturbed my sleep one night. | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | I've not had trouble since 0.5 or so. | 03:42 |
| Tonren | It was slow, buggy, inconsistent, crash-prone and unclear. | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | (which was ages ago) | 03:42 |
| Tonren | When I tried it again a few weeks ago, it still was. :\ | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | I've never had it crash or be buggy. | 03:42 |
| Fujitsu | Nor slow... | 03:42 |
| shackan | Tonren, I have to agree on network manager | 03:42 |
| Tonren | I would create a "Home" location, but the next time I logged in, my location was "". I tried changing it to "Home", but when it tried to configure eth0, it sat there for ten minutes and then crashed. | 03:42 |
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| Fujitsu | Unsuitable in some cases, perhaps. But in quite a number of cases, it's great. | 03:43 |
| Fujitsu | Oh, that's not Network Manager... | 03:43 |
| shackan | but I've just saved three profiles and occasionally switch between them | 03:43 |
| Tonren | shackan: I couldn't even get it working right with two profiles. | 03:43 |
| Fujitsu | That's gnome-system-tools' network configuration thing, and the profiles are known to be totally screwed. | 03:43 |
| Tonren | Okay... so, gnome-system-tools' networking is the actual GUI thing, and NetworkManager is the systray applet. Right? | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | NetworkManager is completely independent from the g-s-t application. | 03:44 |
| shackan | well, the applet is just the NetworkManager applet, there's a daemon behind it | 03:44 |
| Fujitsu | It sits in the systray, but isn't a panel applet. | 03:44 |
| Tonren | Right, so there's a NetworkManager daemon and nm-applet. Is that right? | 03:45 |
| Fujitsu | Correct. | 03:45 |
| Tonren | Anyway - I tried to get the systray applet working for about a week (I must have spent between 1 and 2 hours on it a day, in #ubuntu and browsing the forums), and it just would not play nice with any of my network connections. The same story - lag, error. Lag, crash. Lag, lag, nothing. | 03:45 |
| Tonren | Manually configuring my network interfaces on teh command line has *always* worked flawlessly | 03:45 |
| Fujitsu | I've not had issues. | 03:45 |
| Fujitsu | It seems that NetworkManager and g-s-t behave fairly well together in Feisty, which is good. | 03:46 |
| Tonren | Once I login, I can do sudo -su; ifconfig eth0 up; dhclient -1 eth0; or ifconfig wlan0 up; iwconfig wlan0 ap any; iwconfig wlan0 essid any; dhclient -1 wlan0; | 03:46 |
| shackan | Tonren, that's still the only way to get it done right | 03:46 |
| shackan | (at least for me) | 03:46 |
| Tonren | Those two things are like charms - they ALWAYS work. But as soon as I try to get anything configured *automatically*, be it through /etc/network/interfaces, or g-s-t or NM, everything goes to hell. | 03:46 |
| Tonren | shackan: Same here | 03:46 |
| Tonren | What shocks me is this. | 03:46 |
| mjg59 | Could people please have this discussion somewhere else? | 03:47 |
| Fujitsu | mjg59, probably a good point. | 03:47 |
| mjg59 | If there are specific bugs, please report them | 03:47 |
| mjg59 | Mentioning them in here at this time of day isn't likely to result in any devs picking up on them | 03:47 |
| Tonren | mjg59: Sorry... I'm not sure where else to talk about this. It's not *development*, per se, but it doesn't really belong in #ubuntu which is mainly a one-to-one support channel. | 03:47 |
| Tonren | shackan: Fujitsu: Are you guys both in #ubuntu-offtopic? | 03:48 |
| shackan | no way, irc is already a great waste of time per se, no need for offtopic channels :) | 03:48 |
| Tonren | shackan: That's what I think, too. ;P | 03:49 |
| Tonren | mjg59: With all due respect, while our discussion isn't strictly dev-related, I don't think it is really negatively affecting the channel. | 03:49 |
| mjg59 | Tonren: With all due respect, you're welcome to feel that :) | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | uh oh, udev update. wonder if it breaks | 03:50 |
| shackan | so we can stop it here and not bug mjg59 further, as far as I'm concerned some wonderkind needs to rewrite a g-s-t done right from scratch, and it's not going to happen, I'm happy typing commands, I don't care if my aunt can't configure her network, she's not using ubuntu anyway | 03:50 |
| Tonren | Wow. | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | But the fact that the channel is fairly idle isn't a great excuse for off-topic discussion | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | shackan: Tonren Fujitsu try #ubuntu-networking | 03:51 |
| Tonren | Fair enough. | 03:51 |
| Tonren | Hobbsee: Thank you. | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | mjg59: yay, quiet :) | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: offhand, do you know who moderates kubuntu-devel? | 04:03 |
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| Hobbsee | er, more like when i sent it | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | ah, Riddell only | 04:03 |
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| Hobbsee | yay, OK, we're not frozen yet | 04:37 |
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| Hobbsee | any core devs around to sponsor an upload? | 05:54 |
| fabbione | morning | 05:55 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: what package? | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: kopete | 05:56 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: do you have a debdiff somewhere | 05:56 |
| fabbione | ? | 05:56 |
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| Hobbsee | fabbione: yup. http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/kdenetwork.debdiff | 05:56 |
| fabbione | +--- kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/latex/kopete_latexconvertnew.sh2007-01-30 15:07:41.000000000 +1100 | 05:59 |
| fabbione | ++++ kdenetwork/kopete/plugins/latex/kopete_latexconvert.sh2005-09-10 18:20:16.000000000 +1000 | 05:59 |
| fabbione | +@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ | 05:59 |
| fabbione | +-#!/bin/bash | 05:59 |
| fabbione | ++#!/bin/sh | 05:59 |
| fabbione | why not fixing the script to be POSIX shell compliant? | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | argh, dammit. i diff'd teh wrong way around there? | 05:59 |
| fabbione | that too.. | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | it doesnt work as /bin/sh | 06:00 |
| fabbione | right but that's because the script is not portable.. | 06:00 |
| fabbione | why not fixing the script instead of forcing bash? | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | hrm. i suppose "lazyness" isnt a good answer | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | neither is "i dont know how to" | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/71665 is the corresponding bug | 06:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 71665 in kdenetwork "Problem with kopetex" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 06:01 |
| === Hobbsee updates the diff to be the right way around. | ||
| fabbione | Hobbsee: well i understand the bug, but it would be more wise to fix the script in the long run.. anyway it's ok to change sh to bash.. | 06:11 |
| fabbione | it's just better to make the script portable as general case and where possible | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: yeah, of course. i sent it upstream. i'm not versed in latex though | 06:12 |
| fabbione | i stay away from latex.. it sounds too much like some BDSM thingy | 06:12 |
| Hobbsee | hehehe, *exactly* | 06:13 |
| fabbione | well ping me when you have the debdiff | 06:15 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: the updated one with /bin/bash and /bin/sh around the right way? i'ts there now. | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | [16:08] * Hobbsee updates the diff to be the right way around. | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | was there 8 min ago :) | 06:16 |
| fabbione | oh well i thought you were still doing it | 06:16 |
| Hobbsee | nope | 06:16 |
| fabbione | hey i just woke up and didn't finish my first cup of STFU yet.. | 06:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 06:17 |
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| fabbione | did you fix the patch manually? | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | then tested it | 06:18 |
| Hobbsee | ie, it does patch | 06:18 |
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| fabbione | Hobbsee: do you realize that ubuntu3 has been uploaded by Jonhatan? | 06:19 |
| fabbione | patch -p1 < ../kdenetwork.debdiff | 06:19 |
| fabbione | patching file debian/control | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Hunk #2 FAILED at 130. | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Hunk #3 succeeded at 141 (offset 1 line). | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Hunk #4 succeeded at 276 (offset 1 line). | 06:19 |
| fabbione | 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file debian/control.rej | 06:19 |
| fabbione | patching file debian/changelog | 06:19 |
| fabbione | Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. | 06:19 |
| fabbione | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file debian/changelog.rej | 06:19 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: dammit. didnt know it existed, it hasnt been published. | 06:20 |
| fabbione | well i just did apt-get source kopete | 06:20 |
| fabbione | and that's what i got | 06:20 |
| fabbione | it is published.. i am sure about it | 06:20 |
| fabbione | otherwise it wouldn't be on my local mirror | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: what was the full versoin? | 06:20 |
| fabbione | kdenetwork_3.5.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz | 06:20 |
| fabbione | that's what i have here | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | dammit. not on the gb. mirror yet | 06:21 |
| fabbione | use archive.ubuntu.com directly | 06:21 |
| fabbione | gb. is a mirror | 06:21 |
| fabbione | gotta go for a while now... | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | thought that gb. was the data centre | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | will have to redo that patch anyway. | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | sod. | 06:21 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: send me an updated debdiff and i will upload later | 06:21 |
| fabbione | i need to feed my son :) | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough :) | 06:22 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:59 |
| ajmitch | morning pitti | 07:59 |
| Fujitsu | Hi pitti, and thanks for the azureus acceptance. | 07:59 |
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| fabbione | hey pitti | 08:02 |
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| pitti | hey ajmitch | 08:07 |
| pitti | moin Fujitsu | 08:07 |
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| Mithrandir | slomo: tomboy> please upload. | 08:17 |
| Mithrandir | bhale: new beagle> will do | 08:17 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: I need a minute to talk with you about bug 78862 | 08:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78862 in gnome-volume-manager "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862 | 08:49 |
| pitti | cjwatson: in particular, I'd like to know whether/how ubiquity disables g-v-m and unmounts already mounted partitions | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it pokes some gconf key. | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: right | 08:53 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: do you know whether it unmounts hard disks from /media? | 08:53 |
| pitti | before attempting to repartition | 08:53 |
| Mithrandir | I'd think so, but I'm not sure. | 08:54 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 09:16 |
| pitti | hey dholbach | 09:18 |
| dholbach | hey pitti | 09:19 |
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| pitti | hey seb128! *hug* | 09:30 |
| seb128 | hey hey pitti | 09:30 |
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| seb128 | grumpf | 09:33 |
| seb128 | most of backtraces are "??"ish | 09:33 |
| pitti | that's so weird | 09:33 |
| seb128 | yeah :/ | 09:33 |
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| Treenaks | is there a way to find which module would be loaded if I inserted a device with USB id 'X' ? | 09:46 |
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| Treenaks | or should I just modinfo everything and grep? | 09:46 |
| pitti | seb128: do you want to upload edgy-proposed nautilus for bug 73021? | 09:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73021 in nautilus "fm_tree_model_unref_node fails ref_count > 0 assert" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73021 | 09:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: yep, thank you for the reminder, Colin replied during the sprint and I didn't have an edgy box handy to do it | 09:52 |
| pitti | seb128: great; please update the description a bit for people who are looking at that bug | 09:53 |
| seb128 | well | 09:53 |
| dholbach | ogra_: did you look into the pulseaudio fix? | 09:54 |
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| seb128 | pitti: "nautilus crash in random circumstance for users, see upstream number of duplicate"? | 09:54 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm not sure on what is useful to the description out of the fact that's a crasher and upstream is getting many duplicates which means it happens for many people | 09:55 |
| pitti | seb128: something like that, 'nautilus crashed unbearably often' | 09:55 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:55 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm just reviewing the current huge pile of SRUs and see what can be cleaned up | 09:56 |
| seb128 | pitti: updated description is ok? | 09:57 |
| pitti | seb128: WFM, thanks! | 09:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: np, package uploaded as well | 09:58 |
| seb128 | thank you for the reminder ;) | 09:58 |
| pitti | will process it in a minute | 09:59 |
| seb128 | excellent | 09:59 |
| pitti | LaserJock: ping | 10:03 |
| pitti | LaserJock: can you please upload your fix to bug 75021 to edgy-proposed? | 10:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75021 in python-imaging "SRU: python-imaging missing dependencies (edgy)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75021 | 10:04 |
| pitti | ah, no, you can't | 10:05 |
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| pitti | hi mvo | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | pitti: nope, I can't, it isn't already in the queue for ubuntu-archive approval? | 10:07 |
| pitti | LaserJock: no, I'm just preparing/doing the upload | 10:07 |
| pitti | LaserJock: it has been approved a month ago | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I had thought ajmitch had uploaded it for me | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | oops | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | I thought I had, maybe not? | 10:08 |
| pitti | LaserJock: uploaded, I'll accept the -proposed one in some minutes | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | sorry, LaserJock | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: np | 10:09 |
| pitti | LaserJock: but please do the QA bits | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | pitti: thanks | 10:09 |
| LaserJock | pitti: will do | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | pitti: so how much are we allowed to bug you about archive stuff? is it back to regular archive days for people? | 10:09 |
| pitti | argh, phone | 10:09 |
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| pitti | ajmitch: I shall mainly care for SRUs now, but also doing syncs etc. | 10:15 |
| pitti | ajmitch: Mithrandir, Keybuk, cjwatson, seb128 and me need to sit down and do a new 'archive days' schedule and talk about responsibilities | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:16 |
| pitti | mvo: can the feisty task be closed on bug 75273? (I assume so, SRUs should be fixed in feisty first, but still...) | 10:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273 | 10:18 |
| pitti | mvo: also, please upload your fix for bug 47044 | 10:19 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 47044 in apt "apt cant work with disable proxy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47044 | 10:19 |
| mvo | pitti: I updated the bug status for bug 75273 | 10:20 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75273 in apt "Apt constantly sigsevs on edgy" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75273 | 10:20 |
| mvo | pitti: and will now do bug 47044 | 10:20 |
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| tepsipakki | rodarvus: ping, i810 on dapper | 10:28 |
| pitti | seb128: urgh @ the patch for bug 56610 | 10:29 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 56610 in firefox "Automatic search from address entry doesn't work anymore" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56610 | 10:29 |
| seb128 | pitti: well, it's basically "trust upstream and the fact it's working in feisty for months now" | 10:30 |
| seb128 | pitti: and epiphany browser is not the default browser anyway | 10:30 |
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| pitti | seb128: first that, and second the bug doesn't seem to fall into the 'the sky has fallen' category we usually fix for stables | 10:31 |
| seb128 | well, it fall into the "it really annoys epiphany users and they would appreciate to get it fixed" | 10:32 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, if you are confident that it works, I'll trust you | 10:32 |
| seb128 | as said it has got plenty of testing on feisty | 10:33 |
| seb128 | (and other distro which updated to GNOME 2.16.2) | 10:33 |
| pitti | seb128: it's just that the patch itself is unverifyable (e. g. domWindowPrivate ptr is not checked for NULL, etc) | 10:33 |
| pitti | ok | 10:33 |
| seb128 | well, if you prefer we can drop the update | 10:33 |
| pitti | seb128: well, go ahead then, having it in -proposed would be nice | 10:33 |
| seb128 | but I think it's not a real risk and it'll make users happy | 10:33 |
| seb128 | ok, thank you | 10:33 |
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| pitti | mvo: can you please add proper backport tasks to bug 68553, point out the feisty status, and explain whether both the dapper/edgy or just the dapper update of python-apt is needed? | 10:38 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 | 10:38 |
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| visik7 | hi | 10:38 |
| visik7 | is there any plan to build a package of vmware-server like the one for vmware-player ? | 10:39 |
| visik7 | for feisty ? | 10:39 |
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| pythonmaster | hie everyone | 10:39 |
| Chipzz | vmware player doesn't even work with feisty or edgy | 10:39 |
| pythonmaster | i have a big problem | 10:39 |
| Chipzz | not the current release | 10:39 |
| Chipzz | the joys of dbus crap | 10:39 |
| pythonmaster | i want to upgrade dapper to edgy from live-install cd | 10:40 |
| pythonmaster | someone can help me? | 10:40 |
| pythonmaster | this is very important | 10:40 |
| visik7 | Chipzz: there is the package for vmware-player | 10:40 |
| pythonmaster | coz i amke some mistakes and that now my dapper look like very bed | 10:40 |
| visik7 | is it not working ? | 10:41 |
| pythonmaster | plz help me i am googling for hours | 10:41 |
| Chipzz | visik7: that doesn't work | 10:41 |
| siretart | could anyone please point me to the procedures on how to edit the Maintainer field when merging debian packages with ubuntu-local changes? | 10:41 |
| visik7 | oh ok | 10:41 |
| pythonmaster | how can i upgrade from edgy cd? | 10:41 |
| thom | pythonmaster: #ubuntu is the channel for support requests | 10:42 |
| pythonmaster | but they arent help me !! | 10:42 |
| visik7 | strange a friend of mine use vmware player (the packaged version | 10:42 |
| pythonmaster | its very strong problem | 10:42 |
| thom | pythonmaster: it doesn't matter. this is not the correct channel for support. | 10:43 |
| pythonmaster | you thing so simple | 10:43 |
| siretart | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField | 10:43 |
| pythonmaster | and easy | 10:43 |
| Chipzz | visik7: it works on dapper. not on edgy or feisty | 10:43 |
| visik7 | let me see | 10:43 |
| pitti | mvo: FYI, I added some more comments to bug 68553 | 10:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 | 10:45 |
| Chipzz | pythonmaster: no, people here are trying to get work done. it's as simple as that | 10:46 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks, I'm updating the diff now | 10:46 |
| visik7 | Chipzz: actually here works on edgy | 10:46 |
| visik7 | I'm running it right now | 10:46 |
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| mvo | pitti: bug 68553 updated | 10:48 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 68553 in update-manager "Dapper upgrade to Edgy: Frozen dist-upgrade and failed second run (in Finnish locales" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68553 | 10:48 |
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| pythonmaster | hmm | 10:49 |
| pitti | mvo: apt/dapper-proposed accepted | 10:49 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks! | 10:50 |
| pitti | mvo: the update-manager task is for the dist-upgrader patch? | 10:50 |
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| mvo | pitti: yes | 10:51 |
| pitti | mvo: and it's not fixed and tested in feisty yet? | 10:51 |
| mvo | pitti: its fixed and tested in feisty, let me update the tasks. I used only milone targets for those bugs | 10:51 |
| pitti | sorry for being anal about it, but I'd like to see the bug statuses in good shape so that I can keep track properly | 10:51 |
| mvo | it was when the "backport to release" link disappeared | 10:52 |
| mvo | and I had not yet discovered the new one | 10:52 |
| pitti | 'target to release' | 10:52 |
| mvo | I know | 10:52 |
| mvo | now | 10:52 |
| mvo | pitti: being strict about this is fine, I will update the status | 10:53 |
| visik7 | Chipzz: I can't find any bug on launchpad about problems running vmware-player in edgy or feisty, and actually I haven't any problem with vmware-player | 10:54 |
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| pitti | mvo: ok, if you wish, please go ahead with 68553 | 11:04 |
| mvo | pitti: thanks, I uploaded the package to dapper-proposed and edgy-proposed | 11:06 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: care to poke at 77620 today? | 11:06 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: regarding your openarena sync requests, they were done over a week ago, they've just not been NEWed. | 11:08 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: yes | 11:08 |
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| siretart | Mithrandir: oh. Sorry, I didn't notice that NEW processing is currently lagging a bit | 11:14 |
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| cjwatson | visik7: the live/desktop CD doesn't support upgrades; you need the alternate install CD for that | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I set /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_drives and /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media to false | 11:26 |
| pitti | cjwatson: right | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | pitti: I don't believe anything unmounts stuff from /media | 11:26 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I added a bug comment, it seems to be an inconsistent handling of gconf key setting in ubiquity | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | hmmm | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | it's not impossible I guess, but that's really really weird | 11:27 |
| cjwatson | it's definitely done in code common to both auto and manual partitioning | 11:28 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: want to eyeball it for me? ubiquity/frontend/gtkui.py in the ubiquity source package, search for 'def progress_loop' | 11:28 |
| cjwatson | that's the only function that calls install.Install() which is what actually copies stuff to disk, so it's definitely called | 11:29 |
| pitti | cjwatson: will do, after breakfast; thanks | 11:29 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: oh, would g-v-m notice partitions being created even before filesystems are created? | 11:29 |
| cjwatson | pitti: gparted will create the partition and then partman will mkfs ... | 11:30 |
| cjwatson | but the gconf fiddling is done in between those two | 11:30 |
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| cjwatson | I think the right answer is probably to disable g-v-m for the duration of ubiquity | 11:32 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: what do you think about turning the new partitioner on by default for Herd 3? | 11:33 |
| cjwatson | we talked about it briefly at Oslo - the more testing it gets early, the better | 11:33 |
| cjwatson | but its UI is still incomplete | 11:33 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: how incomplete is it? | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | it's got the partition list but no pretty disk UI at the top | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | so it's basically "double/right-click on items in this here listbox to do stuff" | 11:36 |
| cjwatson | I'd suggest trying it out - ubiquity --new-partitioner | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | you want to test it so we can find out about stability problems, I presume? | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | since testing the UI wouldn't be useful at this point | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | well, half the UI is there | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | but yes, basically | 11:37 |
| cjwatson | the underlying partman interaction is roughly the way I want it, modulo optimisation and features | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | so if that's breaking for people, I'd like to know | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | maybe a couple of core-devs other than me should try it first | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | I could try it in a bit | 11:39 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: I've committed an alleged fix, but I'm in the London office today and I'm not sure I have any means to test it | 11:44 |
| cjwatson | it's in sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubiquity/trunk/ | 11:45 |
| mdz | seb128: thanks for looking after my bug 82153. who is maintaining ubuntulooks now, if anyone? | 11:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82153 in gnome-panel "[apport] gnome-panel crashed with SIGSEGV (dup-of: 66222)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82153 | 11:49 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 66222 in ubuntulooks "gnome panel segfault/crash " [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66222 | 11:49 |
| seb128 | mdz: no real maintainers, the guys who work on it at the London sprint last year fix a bug every now and then and that's about it | 11:50 |
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| mvo | pitti: apport-gtk crashs currently and when I close it, I get a crash again and the dialog pops up | 11:54 |
| mvo | pitti: hm, clicking on report problem makes it crash too | 11:55 |
| pitti | mvo: traceback appreciated | 11:56 |
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| mvo | pitti: bug #82267 | 12:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82267 in apport "apport-gtk keeps crashing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82267 | 12:11 |
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| mvo | pitti: I leave it in the state for now if you want me to test anything | 12:11 |
| pitti | mvo: great, thank you! | 12:12 |
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| pitti | argh, 18 unapproved things in dapper-updates | 12:17 |
| Mithrandir | you can probably reject most of it, if it hasn't gone through the usual process. | 12:17 |
| pitti | right, will cross-check with bugs | 12:18 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: just took a look at the ubiquity commit; I agree that it seems safer to disable gvm entirely while ubiquity runs | 12:18 |
| pitti | cjwatson: folks can still mount their USB stick manually by clicking on the icon if they really want | 12:19 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: at the kopete removal request - the kopete source that was used to build kopete-dev. i think the kopete from that package has been superceded from the package built from kdenetwork | 12:32 |
| bhale | Mithrandir: thanks! | 12:33 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: ah, I see, kopete is now built from kdenetwork, too | 12:33 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: indeed. | 12:33 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: alright, will remove the entire source package then | 12:33 |
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| Hobbsee | pitti: we forked, then added it back | 12:33 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: as upstream was using an ancient version of kopete with lots of bugs in it, and distributing it with kde. | 12:34 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: can you please put that into the bug report? | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: done | 12:34 |
| Riddell | well, upstream did a separate release which we packaged | 12:35 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kopete-meanwhile source and binary packages are also obsolete if you want to file a bug to remove them | 12:36 |
| pitti | Hobbsee, Riddell: just add that to the same bug report, since it's related | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: that's in mainstream kopete now, isnt it? | 12:37 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 12:37 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: done | 12:37 |
| pitti | cjwatson: there are some installer-ish old dapper-updates uploads which haven't gone through SRU (apt-setup, germinate, installation-report, kickseed); what shall I do with them? | 12:38 |
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| heno | Gah, what to do with people filing their own tracker bugs? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bug/82248 | 12:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82248 in ubuntu-iso-tests "20070130: amd64, desktop, live, no network (vmware)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] | 12:43 |
| heno | It's well intended, just not quite right, Mithrandir ^ | 12:44 |
| heno | I guess I should close it with some helpful advice | 12:44 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: probably reject them, I'll put them through the proper process if necessary | 12:55 |
| pitti | cjwatson: alright | 12:58 |
| pitti | cjwatson: shall I keep debdiffs for you, or do you have them? | 12:58 |
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| jwendell | will feisty be LTS? | 12:59 |
| Hobbsee | jwendell: no | 01:01 |
| jwendell | thanks, Hobbsee | 01:04 |
| maswan | will feisty+n be LTS? | 01:10 |
| ogra_ | maswan, fsvo n :) | 01:10 |
| Treenaks | ogra_: and n>1 ;) | 01:11 |
| maswan | Well, is it known that n will be >1 yet? How about >2? | 01:12 |
| maswan | It came up in a discussion recently, how long we should stay off backporting newer kernels to dapper in the hope that there will be a new lts "soon". :) | 01:14 |
| Mithrandir | personally, I think feisty+2. Bigger will cause transition problems for organisations which need a bit of time to test the new one. | 01:15 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: this morning's livefs failed due to ubiquity-frontend-gtk, care to investigate? | 01:28 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: he'd have to be able to boot his machine first ;-) | 01:29 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: ah, he's in London today. I forgot. | 01:30 |
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| mjg59 | elmo: I ought to be getting hold of an MBP shortly, so I'll be able to deal with most of the remaining issues | 01:36 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: it's ok, I've got them all | 01:41 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: already dealt with - will upload shortly | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: (missing /usr/share/apport/ubiquity.py in the ubiquity binary) | 01:42 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: had a chance to check out the new partitioner? | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | maswan: it will be >1 | 01:43 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I prepared and tested new dapper langpacks (we need to re-roll the -base packages, because the current update tarballs from Rosetta are missing lots of stuff); do you have some time in the next days to walk me through the process of uploading/silently approving? | 01:44 |
| pitti | s/approving/accepting/ | 01:44 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: no, sorry. I'll do that now. | 01:45 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: that will be good for us yes, >2 will probably become a bit too long | 01:46 |
| maswan | cjwatson: *nods* | 01:46 |
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| cjwatson | pitti: probably not today, but tomorrow, yes | 01:54 |
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| pitti | cjwatson: thanks | 01:54 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: shall I upload ubiquity now to fix livefs generation, or wait for a new-partitioner decision? I haven't tested the fix for bug 78862 :( | 01:55 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78862 in ubiquity "automatically mounts created file systems on live CD on manual partitioning" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78862 | 01:55 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: but the fix for 78862 should be trivial? | 01:56 |
| cjwatson | it's relatively simple but involved shuffling code around to completely different places | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 01:56 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I'm still rsyncing down the images, so if it's ok for you to wait an hour or so before a decision on the partitioner, that'd be good. | 01:56 |
| cjwatson | sure | 01:57 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: i think #81782 might be either udev or something in the installer.. would you mind (when you have time) to just look at it? | 01:57 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: what's the correct module for this device? | 01:59 |
| cjwatson | r8169 apparently | 02:00 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: seems like it yes | 02:01 |
| fabbione | the strange thing is that there is an interface entry but no auto? | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | you're very quick to claim it isn't a kernel bug | 02:01 |
| mvo | could someone please approve g-a-i for feisty? I uploaded it 4min after main was frozen and it contains some fixes for the EasyCodecInstall spec | 02:01 |
| cjwatson | it's entirely possible that it is | 02:01 |
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| Mithrandir | mvo: looking | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: how frozen is main? | 02:02 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: frozen like uploads need review to be accepted | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: depends on what you want to upload. | 02:03 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: well d-i or the installer did find the interface and configure it. The driver works if configured manually or with dhcp (when adding auto eth0) | 02:03 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: the driver is in the udeb | 02:03 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: the kernel emits udebs. if the udebs are wrong then it's a kernel bug. | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: well, yeah. was more a question of "how much persuading will be needed for it to be reviewed, instead of straight declined | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | " | 02:03 |
| cjwatson | you do not have the evidence to claim that it is not a kernel bug | 02:03 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: so for what i can see it's not a kernel bug. tho i might be wrong.. but the last comment was referred to brian reassining it to the kernel | 02:04 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: well, what sort of change do you want to get accepted and why? | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | seb128: changes to kdenetwork | 02:04 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: for KDE stuff, I'll generally accept it if Riddell's happy with it. | 02:04 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: it can still be a kernel bug.. but it has been reassigned to the kernel without proofs that is a kernel bug. basically the opposite of what you are trying to tell me | 02:04 |
| cjwatson | then say "we don't know whether this is a kernel bug yet", not "This isn't a kernel bug" | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: the latex guys dont want to make the script with sh, as apparently it breaks on bsd, if it's not bash. go figure. | 02:05 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: well ok.. just send me a new dediff once you are ready | 02:06 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: fair enough. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: Riddell's awake - might make more sense to get him to? *shrug* - thanks for the offer | 02:06 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: ok even better | 02:06 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: netcfg never emits an iface line without an auto line right above it. If that iface line was written automatically, then it wasn't by the installer. Personally I think it's much more likely that they added it by hand | 02:06 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: accepted. | 02:07 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: ok, thanks for looking into it. | 02:07 |
| mvo | thanks Mithrandir! | 02:07 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: mind if i quote you there? | 02:08 |
| fabbione | oh you already did | 02:08 |
| fabbione | nevermind | 02:08 |
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| pitti | seb128: eyed3 MIR approved | 02:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: danke ;) | 02:10 |
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| cjwatson | fabbione: see my update to the bug | 02:35 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: good catch.. | 02:36 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: did you also notice my last comment? | 02:36 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: yeah | 02:37 |
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| fabbione | ok | 02:37 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: the new partitioner is.. fiddly. I'll be happy to have it if I get a blurb I can insert into the announcement telling people about it and what you want to get bugs about and what you don't want to get bugs about. | 02:41 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: fiddly> agreed | 03:04 |
| cjwatson | help making it less fiddly also appreciated :-)) | 03:05 |
| cjwatson | I can give you a blurb, also including instructions on how to disable it | 03:05 |
| Mithrandir | yes, please | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: I fixed bug 75017, should be okay this time | 03:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 03:07 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: we have a new kernel incoming too, so I'll need a d-i upload in a bit. | 03:17 |
| cjwatson | sure, I can do that | 03:18 |
| cjwatson | ubiquity's uploaded | 03:18 |
| cjwatson | new kernel as in new ABI? | 03:18 |
| Mithrandir | yes. :-/ | 03:18 |
| Mithrandir | ubiquity already approved | 03:18 |
| pitti | Tonio_: ah, great | 03:23 |
| pitti | Tonio_: ah, that looks better | 03:24 |
| pitti | Tonio_: approved, see my latest bug reply | 03:25 |
| Tonio_ | pitti: thanks, I'll follow next step | 03:25 |
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| Mithrandir | and -desktop ppc oversized. Why does that keep growing? | 03:30 |
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| Mithrandir | cjwatson: got any idea for stuff to drop from the ppc alternate CD? It's 6MB oversized. | 03:33 |
| cjwatson | meh. give me a bit. | 03:36 |
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| Mithrandir | we could drop cvs from ship, it'd save about 1.6MB | 03:38 |
| pitti | ++ :) | 03:38 |
| pitti | we should maintain a 'FirstAgainstTheWall' page | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: we've done this too many times for that to really be useful. | 03:39 |
| pitti | true | 03:39 |
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| kylem | heh | 03:40 |
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| pitti | tkamppeter: m2300w is FTBFS, thus I cannot yet approve for main; the other two drivers are ok | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:48 |
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| Mithrandir | hmm, dropping foo2zjs and xfsprogs would get us more than 2MB | 03:54 |
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| cjwatson | please don't drop xfsprogs | 03:58 |
| cjwatson | I get enough complaints about filesystems as it is | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | hm | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | got any other ideas? ppc is becoming more and more of a problem. :-/ | 03:59 |
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| cjwatson | I sort of question the usefulness of the ISDN stuff on powerpc | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | how would it save us? | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | I'm also wondering if we can do something about the eog/gthumb/f-spot duplication | 04:02 |
| cjwatson | cue minefield | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | yeah. | 04:03 |
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| Mithrandir | can we drop the ltsp stuff from regular ship? It doesn't save much, though.. | 04:08 |
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| cjwatson | ogra: ^-- | 04:09 |
| cjwatson | ogra: as in non-Edubuntu | 04:10 |
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| Riddell | Mithrandir: daily-live kubuntu CD from today in decent shape | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | Riddell: the one where the livefs build failed due to ubiquity breakage? | 04:12 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, why ? | 04:12 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: the one that ended up on cdimage | 04:12 |
| cjwatson | ogra: the question is always "why not" | 04:13 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: because the ppc CD is too big. | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | there needs to be a reason for each item on the CD | 04:13 |
| ogra | well, there are business reasons i think ... mdz always insisted to have it on regular ubuntu CDs as well | 04:13 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: bzip2ing ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-baekmuk would save about 2.5MB | 04:14 |
| ogra | ltsp itself is less than 200k | 04:14 |
| ogra | or around 200k | 04:14 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: no, it's closer to 1.25MB with dependencies. | 04:15 |
| ogra | it pulls in a bunch of server bits though | 04:15 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: that'd help a fair bit, yes. | 04:16 |
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| cjwatson | which of the deps aren't there already? mdz thought there were none | 04:16 |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I'm about to be dragged into a meeting; if you want it now, doit, otherwise I can do it in a bit | 04:17 |
| Mithrandir | dhcp3-server, for instance | 04:17 |
| ogra | openbsd-inetd | 04:18 |
| ogra | openssh-server | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | mknbi, nbd-{client,server} | 04:18 |
| Mithrandir | pulseaudio | 04:19 |
| ogra | nfs-kernel-server | 04:19 |
| cjwatson | ssh is already there | 04:19 |
| ogra | thats about it | 04:19 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: another 1.5MB from bzip2ing ttf-kochi-{mincho,gothic} | 04:19 |
| cjwatson | obviously none of that helps desktop in the slightest | 04:20 |
| Mithrandir | yeah, ship-live is even worse | 04:20 |
| Mithrandir | but that has a bunch of langpacks still, I can make it not have that on ppc | 04:20 |
| elmo | how about we just drop the fonts | 04:21 |
| cjwatson | huh? ship-live has no langpacks | 04:21 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: live has. | 04:21 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: that'd make our CJVK users unhappy. | 04:21 |
| cjwatson | oh, right, that's where they went | 04:21 |
| cjwatson | our CJVK users already have no langpacks on powerpc ;-) | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | but seriously, we mostly ship the fonts so documents are readable even if the desktop isn't translated | 04:22 |
| Mithrandir | no langpacks and no fonts make them even less happy, I imagine. But I guess we could move them to supported. | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | which apparently somebody at some point thought was more important | 04:22 |
| cjwatson | bzip2ing should get us the space back, given that I found 4MB there without trying too hard | 04:22 |
| Mithrandir | being able to write and read documents in your native language is far more important than having the desktop translated. | 04:23 |
| cjwatson | yeah | 04:23 |
| cjwatson | tkamppeter: why are all the PPDs compressed independently | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | ? | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do cat $x; done | wc -c | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | 3943574 | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do zcat $x; done | gzip -9c | wc -c | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | 3503382 | 04:24 |
| cjwatson | oh, meh | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ for x in `dpkg -L linuxprinting.org-ppds | fgrep .ppd.gz`; do zcat $x; done | wc -c | 04:25 |
| cjwatson | 25091054 | 04:25 |
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| cjwatson | tkamppeter: I guess that's too much of a space hit on installed systems, so ignore me | 04:26 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: turns out I'm not in a meeting after all, so I'll upload these bzip2ings now | 04:38 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: I just did -uming | 04:38 |
| Mithrandir | but feel free to do the rest. | 04:38 |
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| cjwatson | meh, that was the only one I had built so far | 04:39 |
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| Mithrandir | do -kochi- and I'll do bakmuk? | 04:40 |
| cjwatson | I'm mid-download of baekmuk | 04:40 |
| cjwatson | did you add Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24)? | 04:40 |
| Mithrandir | hm, no. | 04:40 |
| Mithrandir | I should probably do that. | 04:40 |
| cjwatson | ttf-baekmuk (2.2-1ubuntu2) feisty; urgency=low | 04:43 |
| cjwatson | ttf-baekmuk (2.2-1ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low | 04:43 |
| cjwatson | that just looks wrong | 04:43 |
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| Mithrandir | I'll do -kochi- now | 04:43 |
| Mithrandir | there, new arphic-uming uploaded | 04:47 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: what's in the dist-upgrader? | 04:47 |
| ogra | cjwatson, hmm, i seem to have live and desktop isos ... is that a temporary overlap or a bug ? | 04:48 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: mostly fixes and apport integration. but a fix for the cdromupgrade thing too | 04:49 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: cheers. | 04:49 |
| mvo | Mithrandir: I can do you a (fake) debdiff if you want one | 04:49 |
| Mithrandir | mvo: nah, it should be fine. | 04:50 |
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| mvo | thanks | 04:50 |
| cjwatson | ogra: temporary, I'll clean it up, thanks | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ for x in `dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | xargs ls -ld | grep ^-r | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f8`; do cat $x; done | gzip -9c | wc -c | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | 6159826 | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ for x in `dpkg -L gnome-applets-data | xargs ls -ld | grep ^-r | tr -s ' ' | cut -d' ' -f8`; do cat $x; done | bzip2 -9c | wc -c | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | 4486855 | 04:52 |
| cjwatson | seb128: could you make that bzip2ed, please? dh_builddeb -- -Zbzip2 and Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) | 04:52 |
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| amep | I am going to try to squash the usplash on AMD64 bug (gray splash screen, etc). But I know very little aboue usplash. Can anyone point me to some developer docs for usplash? I can't get it to run on a fully booted system for testing. | 04:54 |
| Mithrandir | amep: then don't bother, it has a known fix. | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | just a matter of finding time to fix it. | 04:55 |
| amep | Could I help push it through? | 04:55 |
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| amep | I'm sick of getting emails about the bug. ;-) | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | we're in a freeze now. I can try to fix it friday. | 04:55 |
| amep | OK. | 04:56 |
| seb128 | cjwatson: ok, will do | 04:57 |
| amep | Thanks to everyone, by the way. I love Ubuntu. And I really appreciate all the work that goes into it. | 04:58 |
| cjwatson | BenC: could you consider bzip2ing linux-headers-$ABI, please? | 05:00 |
| cjwatson | $ compare-gzip-bzip2 linux-headers-2.6.20-5 | 05:00 |
| cjwatson | gzip: 7192873 | 05:00 |
| cjwatson | bzip2: 5980068 | 05:00 |
| BenC | cjwatson: In the .deb? | 05:00 |
| cjwatson | BenC: dh_builddeb -- -Zbzip2, Pre-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.10.24) | 05:00 |
| cjwatson | to get data.tar.bz2 rather than data.tar.gz | 05:01 |
| BenC | cjwatson: Didn't know we supported that, cool | 05:01 |
| cjwatson | the numbers above aren't totally reliable but they should be pretty close | 05:01 |
| cjwatson | since hoary or so :) | 05:01 |
| cjwatson | can't be used in Debian until etch releases | 05:01 |
| BenC | I had it working like 6 years ago, but no one wanted it :) | 05:02 |
| cjwatson | heh | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | Scott probably reinvented it | 05:03 |
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| cjwatson | vim-runtime will gain us another 1MB | 05:03 |
| lifeless | has defaulting that to bzip2 been considered ? | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | yes, and rejected | 05:03 |
| cjwatson | (we considered it very early on) | 05:03 |
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| cjwatson | it takes considerably more CPU to unpack, particularly on lower-power machines, so we only do it selectively | 05:04 |
| thom | and on most debs it doesn't make much difference | 05:04 |
| cjwatson | right, it only gains you much on the big packages | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | I can't remember | 05:04 |
| Keybuk | I think it was based on an existing patch | 05:04 |
| pitti | hi Keybuk | 05:05 |
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| bdmurray | pitti: I was wondering if apport has any duplicate detection abilities when submitting bugs | 05:05 |
| pitti | bdmurray: we provide a default bug title, LP's bug dup proposals should catch on that | 05:06 |
| pitti | bdmurray: in addition, we can add manual bug patterns | 05:06 |
| bdmurray | pitti: I don't think lp did then | 05:06 |
| pitti | then apport will say that it's a dup right away | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | in fact, bzip2 makes some packages bigger | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | $ compare-gzip-bzip2 vim-common | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | gzip: 181406 | 05:06 |
| cjwatson | bzip2: 198831 | 05:06 |
| bdmurray | pitti: if you look at bug 81727 I manually marked a lot of the dupes | 05:07 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81727 in gnome-app-install "[apport] gnome-app-install crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81727 | 05:07 |
| geser | Keybuk: is there somewhere an explanation for the different colors in the listings from the Merge-o-Matic? | 05:08 |
| pitti | bdmurray: hm, it seems that people who file bugs do not actually stop filing it and/or do not look at the dup list | 05:08 |
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| bdmurray | pitti: ah! that explains a lot then | 05:08 |
| pitti | bdmurray: maybe we need to point this out stronger on the +filebug page | 05:09 |
| Keybuk | geser: package priorities | 05:09 |
| geser | Keybuk: and how are the computed? | 05:09 |
| bdmurray | pitti: that's an idea | 05:10 |
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| geser | Mithrandir: can you increase the timeout for latex-cjk-chinese-arphic (the buildd timed out after 150 minutes of inactivity)? | 05:16 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: actually.. there is something that doesn't match in #81782 | 05:21 |
| pitti | is there a command which displays me the currently active library search paths? | 05:21 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: how can it be a missing pci id if the booting kernel in dmesg is still edgy? | 05:21 |
| fabbione | (and it loads the driver) | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: no idea, maybe some other driver handled it | 05:21 |
| cjwatson | fabbione: have fun hunting it down :) | 05:22 |
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| cjwatson | that other driver might not have been in the right udebs or something | 05:22 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: that's ok.i am just trying to understand how you got to the conclusion that it was a pci/id | 05:22 |
| fabbione | but yes it's possible | 05:22 |
| cjwatson | I looked at what driver currently handles that pci id and checked modinfo output to see what the drivers in edgy and feisty provided | 05:22 |
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| Mithrandir | geser: no, but infinity can | 05:25 |
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| fabbione | cjwatson: yeps.. r1000 in edgy and r81whatever in feisty | 05:28 |
| fabbione | cjwatson: now everything matches | 05:28 |
| fabbione | thanks | 05:28 |
| cjwatson | np | 05:29 |
| Keybuk | geser: from the Priority: field in the source package | 05:30 |
| Keybuk | (and thus the binary) | 05:30 |
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| geser | Keybuk: thanks | 05:30 |
| elmo | geser: err, are you sure it's actually doing anything? | 05:33 |
| elmo | 150 minutes of build time on our buildds is a _lot_ of CPU time | 05:33 |
| geser | \sh build it successfully on his 2xdual core amd64 16GB machine in 3 hours | 05:34 |
| elmo | ugh, ok | 05:36 |
| elmo | (then like mithrandir said, infinity is the man to talk to) | 05:36 |
| Mithrandir | geser: make it output a dot or something every so often, then. | 05:37 |
| elmo | oh yeah - or that might be a better idea | 05:37 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: have you released that greasemonkey script for auto-responses to bugs anywhere yet? | 05:44 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: http://err.no/src/lp_stockreplies.user.js | 05:44 |
| Mithrandir | needs source code hacking to change the replies, but that should be easy enough | 05:44 |
| dholbach | b!z!r! :) | 05:44 |
| pitti | cjwatson: seb128 has a version on his people page, too | 05:45 |
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| Mithrandir | dholbach: doesn't integrate well into firefox. | 05:45 |
| siretart | fabbione: is bug #38409 a duplicate of bug #81598? | 05:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 38409 in Debian "creation of snapshots fails unpredictably" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/38409 | 05:45 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81598 in lvm2 "[SRU] lvm2 check if device is md is broken on big endian machines" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81598 | 05:45 |
| dholbach | Mithrandir: what? bzr? | 05:46 |
| fabbione | siretart: no | 05:46 |
| siretart | ok | 05:46 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: yes. | 05:46 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: as in, storing greasemonkey script in bzr doesn't really fit, since greasemonkey has a directory where stuff's stored, including a metadata-file | 05:46 |
| dholbach | right... I just thought that people would want to hack on it, change it, etc - where bzr is a better fit | 05:47 |
| dholbach | but I understand what you're saying | 05:47 |
| \sh | hmmm...debuild -S bugs me because of UTF/unicode chars in the debian/changelog..how can I tell him to be unicode clean? ,-) | 05:47 |
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| \sh | anyways...going home | 05:50 |
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| BenC | cjwatson: This bzip2 thing for linux-headers-* isn't going to be easy | 06:25 |
| BenC | cjwatson: It's built by make-kpkg, and there's no way to pass arguments to "dpkg --build" for the package creation | 06:25 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: ah, ok | 06:27 |
| BenC | cjwatson: feisty+1 I'll do it | 06:27 |
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| maswan | BenC: out of curiosity and not keeping up with stuff, how's systemtap support doing? | 06:33 |
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| BenC | maswan: KPROBES is enabled so the kernels support it (as far as I can tell) | 06:36 |
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| gus_m | s | 06:36 |
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| maswan | BenC: well, it needs DEBUG_INFO too, AIUI | 06:37 |
| BenC | maswan: We have that too :) | 06:38 |
| maswan | BenC: ah, ok. just me not keeping up then. :) | 06:38 |
| BenC | the linux-image-debug packages have the raw -g kernels | 06:38 |
| maswan | BenC: no, the conf option DEBUG_INFO, bloats the kernel quite a bit | 06:38 |
| BenC | yes, I know | 06:39 |
| maswan | BenC: but yes, I did look at that and oprofile works neatly now. thanks. :) | 06:39 |
| BenC | that's why they aren't installed by default | 06:39 |
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| BenC | DEBUG_INFO does enable -g and disables -fomit-frame-pointer too I think | 06:39 |
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| BenC | like zero runtime change, but helps in backtracing and stuff | 06:40 |
| maswan | Ah, right. I'm just talking, last thing I looked at was edgy, not current stuff. | 06:41 |
| maswan | Sorry, will try to look at testing new stuff out too. :) | 06:41 |
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| cypher1 | Keybuk, hi | 06:48 |
| Keybuk | cypher1: hi | 06:49 |
| cypher1 | Keybuk, i had been look at NoUsplashTimeout Specification | 06:55 |
| cypher1 | Keybuk, can i pm you for that ? | 06:55 |
| Keybuk | sure | 06:56 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: vim-runtime saves another 1MB, so I'll upload that | 06:59 |
| tkamppeter | cjwatso, there was already discussion about making the PPDs occupying less space. See bug 39847. | 07:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 39847 in foomatic-db "Getting (more) manufacturer-supplied PostScript PPDs onto the Ubuntu desktop CDs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39847 | 07:01 |
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| cjwatson | BenC: bzip2 saves nearly 3MB out of linux-image-2.6.20-5-powerpc | 07:03 |
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| cjwatson | tkamppeter: thanks | 07:07 |
| alex-weej | are there any Human design guidelines? | 07:08 |
| alex-weej | a bit like Tango's | 07:08 |
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| MacSlow | mdz, ping | 07:10 |
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| _ion | Seems like i hit bug #80938 while installing Xubuntu. | 07:18 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 80938 in ubiquity "do_remove BrokenCount assertion can fail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80938 | 07:18 |
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| cjwatson | _ion: only if do_remove was in the traceback; if it was mark_install instead, then it's a different bug that's been fixed | 07:25 |
| cjwatson | the do_remove case is a lot more complicated and I haven't worked out the correct fix yet | 07:25 |
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| _ion | cjwatson: It was. | 07:26 |
| phish | if I was to request a module (specifically pata_atiixp) be included in feisty, where should I make such a request? | 07:26 |
| cjwatson | phish: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+filebug | 07:28 |
| phish | cjwatson thanks | 07:28 |
| Riddell | bdmurray: beastie 80444 should be fixed with kdenetwork -0ubuntu4 | 07:34 |
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| bdmurray | Riddell: How is that? | 07:39 |
| Riddell | bdmurray: because we included a fix for it | 07:42 |
| Riddell | but it would be useful if you could check that it works | 07:42 |
| bdmurray | I meant I didn't understand the relationship between the kcontrolcenter being empty and kdenetwork | 07:45 |
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| Riddell | bdmurray: oh sorry, I ment kdebase -0ubuntu4 | 07:46 |
| bdmurray | ah, okay cool. I'll let the reporter know. | 07:47 |
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| cjwatson | Mithrandir: I've accepted vim since that was for CD size too (1MB off vim-runtime); hope that's OK | 07:53 |
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| enrico | epiphany on edgy started saying that it can't load https because encryption support is not installed. So I tried to go to launchpad to report it as a bug. And it told me that encryption support is not installed, so I can't see launchpad <g> | 09:02 |
| enrico | openssl, libssl and whatnot seem to be all installed | 09:02 |
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| pinskian | exacly why was ubuntu ppc support withdrawn? | 09:10 |
| Amaranth | err, it wasn't? | 09:13 |
| pinskian | it has | 09:13 |
| pinskian | there isnt even a channel for it now | 09:13 |
| pinskian | why? | 09:13 |
| Amaranth | there are still downloads | 09:14 |
| Amaranth | people just decided having a special channel wasn't worth it, i guess | 09:14 |
| pinskian | oh | 09:14 |
| Amaranth | it wasn't an "official" channel or anything | 09:14 |
| pinskian | but ik mean there's no suppport for it right? | 09:14 |
| pinskian | cause most of us dumped it for debian as there was no support for it i heard | 09:14 |
| pinskian | debian ppc | 09:14 |
| Amaranth | it's just as supported as x86 and amd64 | 09:15 |
| pinskian | not quite as debian ppc's right? | 09:15 |
| pinskian | had some difficult with it | 09:15 |
| pinskian | thats when i switched | 09:15 |
| pinskian | difficulty | 09:15 |
| Amaranth | it is no more or less supported than debian's ppc builds | 09:16 |
| Amaranth | if you had problems with the the solution was to file bugs :) | 09:16 |
| pinskian | i could never get 5 to boot on the imac i had | 09:17 |
| pinskian | but really without imac im doing much better with ubuntu | 09:18 |
| Amaranth | 5? | 09:19 |
| pinskian | basically couldnt get it to run ubuntu on it | 09:19 |
| Amaranth | *shrug* | 09:19 |
| pinskian | yeah | 09:19 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: yes, thanks. | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | /join #ubuntu-ppc :) | 09:20 |
| pinskian | was an old mac | 09:20 |
| pinskian | 233 mhz or something | 09:20 |
| pinskian | it redirects | 09:20 |
| pinskian | :P | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | yes | 09:20 |
| Amaranth | support questions go to where it redirects :) | 09:20 |
| pinskian | hehe | 09:20 |
| pinskian | never mind its off my system | 09:20 |
| pinskian | ubuntu plain and simple is elegant | 09:20 |
| pinskian | Amaranth: you recommend using all x86 machines? | 09:21 |
| Amaranth | i've got ubuntu on a mac mini | 09:22 |
| pinskian | sweet | 09:22 |
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| ulaas | hi, is there any process that is going on for unsupported fn keys on specific laptops. i have one laptop maybe i can help... | 09:23 |
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| Adri2000 | sabdfl: I'm not sure to have understood in -meeting, ubuntu-devs are approved as usual during this meeting or not? (except EtienneG) | 09:25 |
| sabdfl | Adri2000: yes | 09:27 |
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| sabdfl | i asked etienneg to go to motu specifically because he's canonical and i didn't want any shortcuts | 09:28 |
| sabdfl | he's good but not yet known to the motu | 09:28 |
| Adri2000 | ah, ok :) | 09:28 |
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| pinskian | heck, i think for everything else ubuntu is a lot nicer to use than windows | 09:46 |
| pinskian | i even was burning an iso yesterday.. the file was on my desktop, i right clicked it and clicked burn, and that was that | 09:46 |
| pinskian | :P | 09:46 |
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| trappist | when is UVF for feisty? | 09:48 |
| bdmurray | kylem: ping | 09:48 |
| Amaranth | trappist: a couple weeks ago, i think | 09:49 |
| trappist | Amaranth: oh :/ | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: nope, feb 8th | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | trappist: oh, no, it's the 8th | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 09:49 |
| Amaranth | so if i want my app in universe i should have it ready by the 8th then :) | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: new apps get until the 22nd for universe (iirc) | 09:50 |
| trappist | Amaranth: thanks | 09:50 |
| kylem | bdmurray, yo. | 09:51 |
| Amaranth | ajmitch: wiki sas 8th | 09:51 |
| Amaranth | err, says | 09:51 |
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| Mithrandir | iwj: the trigger stuff looks very interesting. | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: no, feature freeze for universe is 22nd on the wiki | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | Amaranth: that's what we decided as the date for new packages | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | Amaranth: note that you should have it in the NEW queue well before then, since the queue sometimes is lagging a little. | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | oops | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | not going to happen unless i write 1000 lines of bugfree code in 24 hours then :) | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | featurefreeze means it should have the features, not the lack of bugs. | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | that's not a feature, that's a bug fix! :D | 09:53 |
| bdmurray | kylem: I was looking at this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI . Have you looked at it at all? | 09:53 |
| kylem | bdmurray, no, i've not. reading now. | 09:54 |
| bdmurray | I says to report acpi bugs against the kernel | 09:54 |
| kylem | that's right. | 09:55 |
| bdmurray | okay, then from there do they go to acpi and acpi-support ? | 09:56 |
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| bdmurray | and do the more info requests look good to you? | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | no, "acpi" is almost certainly the wrong package. It's just a small shell script. | 09:56 |
| bdmurray | Mithrandir: thanks, that's good to know | 09:57 |
| kylem | yeah, the more info requests are fine. might want to add about asking for their dsdt but that's about it. | 09:57 |
| kylem | and the dsdt is usually not needed... | 09:57 |
| bdmurray | kylem: so bug 82188 should really be linux-source-# | 09:58 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82188 in Ubuntu "Brightness control via ACPI in HP notebooks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82188 | 09:58 |
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| kylem | that looks like a problem with user tools if the kernel is able to change the brightness. | 10:00 |
| bdmurray | got it | 10:01 |
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| kylem | mjg59, ping? can you shed a bit of light for us, o laptop god? :) | 10:01 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, give me a sec | 10:01 |
| mjg59 | Ok, that interface has historically not worked at all | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | So I don't think hal will attempt to use it | 10:02 |
| bdmurray | the /proc/acpi interface? | 10:03 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 10:04 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: gnome-applets accepted; thanks. | 10:38 |
| seb128 | np, thank you | 10:39 |
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| Simira | does that mean I need to test it again? :) | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | hey Simira | 10:42 |
| Simira | good evenin | 10:42 |
| Simira | well, not testing anything today. I'm off to bed. G'night | 10:43 |
| sfllaw | fabbione: Bug 81125 is approved for an upload on Friday. | 10:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81125 in glibc "libc6 update for Edgy fails due to sanity check" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81125 | 10:52 |
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| fabbione | sfllaw: ok. you can remind me at the office :) | 10:52 |
| sfllaw | fabbione: This was merely me following SRU procedure. I'll likely forget before you do. :) | 10:53 |
| geser | mdz: can I ask you a question about the source maintainer mangling we are supposed to do? | 10:56 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: please accept the gnome-control-center update for herd3, it fixes a bug which wipes the user directory | 11:08 |
| Mithrandir | ouch | 11:08 |
| Mithrandir | (looking) | 11:08 |
| seb128 | Novell guys did something stupid | 11:08 |
| seb128 | they add and remove autostart apps from their new shell | 11:08 |
| elmo | ! | 11:09 |
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| seb128 | and they do it based on a gconf key with user_dir, gconf_dir, filename | 11:09 |
| seb128 | when gconf_dir is not set they basically rm -rf user_dir | 11:09 |
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| Mithrandir | accepted. | 11:10 |
| seb128 | thank you | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: did kdenetwork never get accepted, or did Riddell not upload it? | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | ahh, was that the "OMG Control Center ate my ~/"? | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | seb128: that's disturbing | 11:11 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: it hasn't hit the unapproved queue, ttbomk | 11:11 |
| mdke | haha | 11:11 |
| seb128 | LaserJock: that was https://launchpad.net/control-center/+bug/78500 | 11:11 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78500 in control-center "gnome-control-center wipes out /home/user" [Unknown,Unknown] | 11:11 |
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| Mithrandir | seb128: in which case did it do that? | 11:12 |
| Gman | seb128, sweet jeebus. | 11:12 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: right, i'll bug the relevant people then | 11:13 |
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| seb128 | Mithrandir: when left clicking on a shell item and using "remove from the startup list" if the program was not to the startup list | 11:14 |
| seb128 | or maybe even if it was, I'm not sure sure now | 11:14 |
| seb128 | (if you don't have gnome-main-menu installed) | 11:15 |
| Mithrandir | I wonder why it'd add the -r | 11:15 |
| seb128 | (they shipped the gconf schemas with gnome-main-menu, but not with libslab which is used by the shell) | 11:16 |
| seb128 | well, they don't call "rm -rf" | 11:16 |
| seb128 | they call gnome_vfs_xfer_delete_list on the dir | 11:16 |
| seb128 | which does the same job :/ | 11:16 |
| Mithrandir | it should call something which tries to remove files, not directories. | 11:17 |
| Mithrandir | IMO | 11:17 |
| sladen | mjg59: remind me again what exactly the amd64 framebuffer usplash grayscale issue is---it's just not possible to program the palette entries over 16 ? | 11:17 |
| seb128 | that code should probably be changed to use delete_uri on the item rather | 11:17 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: yeah, I was thinking the same | 11:17 |
| seb128 | I'll fix it probably | 11:17 |
| sladen | bug #67545 really needs a good answer lif [ "$HAL_PROP_LAPTOP_PANEL_ACCESS_METHOD" = "sony" ] ; then | 11:17 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 67545 in usplash "usplash appears black and white (grayscale) on amd64" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67545 | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | sladen: No clue, don't care. It's going to stop using vga16fb. | 11:18 |
| sladen | # echo "{1..8}" > /proc/acpi/sony/brightness | 11:18 |
| sladen | cack | 11:18 |
| Mithrandir | sladen: it's using the vga framebuffer for various reasons. | 11:18 |
| sladen | # http://popies.net/sonypi/2.6-sony_acpi4.patch | 11:18 |
| sladen | echo "$((value + 1))" > $HAL_PROP_LINUX_ACPI_PATH | 11:18 |
| sladen | "various"---suspend related, setup related? What can I shove in the bug report. | 11:25 |
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| sladen | Mithrandir: ^^can you remember any of the reasons? | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | sladen: yes. | 11:38 |
| sladen | Mithrandir: "with specificity" ? | 11:39 |
| sladen | (other than the contents of the changelog; which shows the change to bogl/vga16fb, but not the reason) | 11:42 |
| Mithrandir | the current x86emu in the usplash source tree doesn't work correctly on amd64 | 11:42 |
| sladen | Mithrandir: thanks, that'll do, ta | 11:45 |
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| elmo | does anyone know if lvm has to be a module to do root-lvm? | 11:48 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: ping? | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around. | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: bleh. | 11:51 |
| bddebian | Don't you love those? :-) | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | yep :) | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | particularly when i use them myself | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | just not automatically | 11:52 |
| TheMuso | Hobbsee: hehe | 11:52 |
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| Hobbsee | that tells me *nothing* | 11:52 |
| tkamppeter | cjwatson, ping | 11:52 |
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| cbx33 | hey guys | 11:53 |
| TheMuso | Hey cbx33. | 11:53 |
| cbx33 | hi TheMuso | 11:53 |
| cbx33 | who knows much about DES here? | 11:54 |
| TheMuso | I'd say nothing because I don't even know what DES is. | 11:55 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, i have two fixes for pulseaudio i'd like to upload, debdiff is here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/pulse.debdiff | 12:01 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: I uploaded an another gnome-control-center which uses g_unlink on a file rather than gnome_vfs_xfer_delete_list on an uri, that can go after herd3 though, the previous version already fixed the problem, the new one is just cleaner | 12:02 |
| cbx33 | ogra, having problems with the DES | 12:02 |
| ogra | cbx33, did you try to switch to python-crypto ? | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | using the Crypto.DES | 12:03 |
| ogra | it should offer the same functionallity | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | they encrypt to different ciphers | 12:03 |
| elmo | what on earth are you using DES for in this day and age? | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | >>> des=DesCipher('01234567') | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | >>> des.encrypt("01234567") | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | '\x16\xdbs\xceb\xd5\xb7q' | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | >>> des=DES.new('01234567') | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | >>> des.encrypt("01234567") | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | '\xc5\n\xd0(\xc6\xda\x98\x00' | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | >>> | 12:03 |
| cbx33 | vnc authentication | 12:03 |
| ogra | even though the sngle functions might differ | 12:03 |
| ogra | elmo, there is a vnc wrapper cbx33 wants to use in the thin-client-manager ... seems vnc needs DES | 12:04 |
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| ogra | the vnc wrapper shipped its own DES code, stolen fron an at&t source with a wonky license ... so he needs to reimplement it in python-ltsp ... | 12:05 |
| ogra | *from | 12:05 |
| ogra | err | 12:05 |
| ogra | *python-crypto | 12:05 |
| cbx33 | but it's not giving the same results | 12:05 |
| cbx33 | and I don;t know enough about DES to understand why | 12:05 |
| cbx33 | I found another project who nicked the same code | 12:06 |
| cbx33 | that's 3 projects | 12:06 |
| ogra | that doesnt make the license more valid | 12:06 |
| cbx33 | no | 12:07 |
| cbx33 | just funny is all | 12:07 |
| cbx33 | I wasn't using it to validate | 12:07 |
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| cbx33 | so any DES experts here? | 12:08 |
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