[12:58] <MitchM>  /away at home.
[09:08] <jenda> So - do we do a Vista anti-release party? :)
[09:16] <rjian> :)
[09:20] <jenda> vorian_: you there?
[09:20] <jenda> meatballhat_: ?
[09:24] <BHSPitMonkey> yo
[09:35] <jenda> BHSPitMonkey: link? :)
[09:35] <BHSPitMonkey> http://youtube.com/watch?v=GeYedGR1fiM
[09:35] <BHSPitMonkey> it's not *buntu related btw
[09:36] <BHSPitMonkey> or anything related
[09:44] <jenda> Hahha :) 
[09:44] <jenda> that's awesome.
[09:44] <jenda> is that you? :)
[09:44] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah :P
[09:45] <BHSPitMonkey> teachers are so unappreciative of that form of music, you know.
[09:45] <BHSPitMonkey> they're outright rude.
[09:45] <jenda> heh e:)
[09:49] <jenda> You a musician?
[09:49] <jenda> (other than pencil music :))
[09:50] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[09:50] <BHSPitMonkey> piano, percussion
[09:50] <GazzaK> hehe http://youtube.com/watch?search=&mode=related&v=ICoDFooBXpU
[09:51] <BHSPitMonkey> damnit
[09:51] <BHSPitMonkey> it's 18+ flagged :(
[09:51] <jenda> BHSPitMonkey: no doubt, it's GazzaK's.
[09:52] <BHSPitMonkey> cool
[09:54] <jenda> GazzaK: that's evil :)
[09:56] <GazzaK> it is only super mario in vice city, was so funny
[09:56] <GazzaK> :-)
[09:56] <GazzaK> great bit of animation
[09:59] <BHSPitMonkey> I like the animation vs animator thing
[10:00] <jenda> oh, that one rocks :)
[10:02] <BHSPitMonkey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo1d6ttbAq8   and   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bPMwAHdJCg
[10:02] <BHSPitMonkey> 1 and 2, respectively
[10:11] <GazzaK> those are brill
[11:16] <poningru> anyone know how to build modules?
[11:17] <poningru> http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productId=139&category=driver&os=3&go=GO#
[11:17] <poningru> frackers
[12:04] <fsfadnfda3er23c> anyone here?
[12:05] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I've a suggestion for Ubuntu marketing
[12:07] <fsfadnfda3er23c> ??
[12:08] <tonyyarusso> fsfadnfda3er23c: Best bet would be to send it to the mailing list.  More people will see it there.
[12:08] <fsfadnfda3er23c> do I need to subscribe?
[12:09] <juliux> hi
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> Not to send to it, but it would be the easiest way to see replies.
[12:09] <fsfadnfda3er23c> mmm
[12:09] <tonyyarusso> Sometimes people just add a note that they're not subscribed, so CC them on replies.
[12:10] <tonyyarusso> Hi juliux 
[12:10] <fsfadnfda3er23c> maybe it's easier if you forward my idea?
[12:10] <tonyyarusso> That could work
[12:10] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the idea is related to Windows Vista :)
[12:11] <tonyyarusso> ah
[12:11] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I heard people telling about the WOW factor of the interface on the radio...but when I read an article about Vista in the paper this morning, I saw the prices...WOW :D
[12:12] <fsfadnfda3er23c> maybe Ubuntu can do something with these prices...
[12:12] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I thought about this:
[12:12] <fsfadnfda3er23c> what about doing some donation program for Ubuntu 7.04
[12:13] <snail> fsfadnfda3er23c: the price thing is less important than the fact that people have to "refresh" their hardware
[12:13] <fsfadnfda3er23c> people can *buy* Ubuntu cdroms for the same prices as Windows Vista
[12:13] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I know
[12:13] <snail> fsfadnfda3er23c: very little six month old hardware meets the recommended spec for vista
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> Who would pay for Ubuntu?
[12:14] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I people buy Ubuntu for 279 EUR, they will be a "Home Basic donator", when they give 549 EUR, they will be an "Ultimate Edition donator" etc
[12:14] <fsfadnfda3er23c> of course you can also get it for free
[12:14] <tonyyarusso> Also, the terms would likely be trademark sketchy.
[12:15] <fsfadnfda3er23c> th thing is that this is a marketing action ;)
[12:15] <snail> tonyyarusso: we regularly pay for ubuntu
[12:15] <tonyyarusso> snail: For support you mean.
[12:15] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the point at how expensive Vista is compared to Ubuntu :)
[12:15] <snail> tonyyarusso: we buy hundreds of CDs at ~ a euro each
[12:15] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the press will love to write about such a program B-)
[12:15] <tonyyarusso> snail: ah.
[12:16] <snail> tonyyarusso: we == http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/
[12:16] <tonyyarusso> fsfadnfda3er23c: Who are you targeting with this?
[12:16] <tonyyarusso> I'm not sure I see how it would work.
[12:16] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the money then can be used for doing even more promotion for Ubuntu B-)
[12:16] <fsfadnfda3er23c> tonyyarusso: what do you mean?
[12:17] <tonyyarusso> fsfadnfda3er23c: As in, how many people do you honestly think will want to plunk down $400?
[12:17] <snail> fsfadnfda3er23c: and what sort of people
[12:18] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the people that now use Paypal to donate money :)
[12:18] <fsfadnfda3er23c> but that is not the main target
[12:18] <fsfadnfda3er23c> collecting money would be the secondary target
[12:19] <fsfadnfda3er23c> the primary targets would be to make end users clair how cheap Ubuntu is compared to Vista, plus to have more publicity for Ubuntu 7.04 in press B-)
[12:20] <fsfadnfda3er23c> do you get it?
[12:20] <tonyyarusso> But how?  How would asking people to pay the same amount help hilight the fact that Ubuntu isn't the same amount?
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> And, the idea of it going in the press has a lot of room for misrepresentation, and could actually be a bad thing, imo.
[12:22] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I don't think so
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> snail: thoughts?
[12:22] <fsfadnfda3er23c> you should make clear that this is about donations of course
[12:22] <fsfadnfda3er23c> and that people still can get it for free
[12:23] <fsfadnfda3er23c> just some idea to lift on Microsoft's marketing campaign ;)
[12:23] <snail> tonyyarusso: at the moment what ubuntu needs is not cash but well organised effort
[12:23] <jenda> hehe :)
[12:24] <jenda> fsfadnfda3er23c: you should really email it to the list for some more organised feedback.
[12:24] <snail> if we can make a clear effort that we need cash to do X, then I'm sure that that money would be found...
[12:24] <snail> fsfadnfda3er23c: so you want us to do your work for you?
[12:25] <jenda> Thanks, fsfadnfda3er23c :)
[12:25] <jenda> However, our deficit isn't in ideas, it's in workforce.
[12:25] <fsfadnfda3er23c> so now it's up to you :)
[12:25] <jenda> fsfadnfda3er23c: wrong.
[12:25] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I know
[12:26] <jenda> It's up to you.
[12:26] <jenda> Ideas don't do any work.
[12:26] <jenda> If you have an idea - make it real. Only then will it have value.
[12:26] <fsfadnfda3er23c> and I've no time to work out all my ideas ;)
[12:26] <jenda> I'm not saying you need to make it real yourself - you can assemble a team.
[12:28] <fsfadnfda3er23c> well, anyway: I just don't bother to make value of it; if Ubuntu does nothing with my idea, that's ok for me If they do something cool with it, that's also ok for me
[12:28] <jenda> alright, thanks for the contribution.
[12:28] <fsfadnfda3er23c> I just don't have time to contribute more to this idea :)
[12:28] <jenda> I think I'm too lazy to think about it further, though.
[12:29] <fsfadnfda3er23c> :p
[12:29] <fsfadnfda3er23c> well, dinner is ready here, so bye
[12:31] <tonyyarusso> Hm.  That was one of the odder ideas.
[12:34] <snail> i've seen worse.
[07:00] <tito_linux> Hi
[08:11] <rbs-tito> hi
[08:12] <Burgwork> welcome rbs-tito
[08:12] <rbs-tito> Cheers! I've just joined the team.
[08:13] <jenda> welcome ;)
[08:14] <jenda> hey Burgwork
[08:14] <Burgwork> hey jenda
[08:14] <rbs-tito> I've been reading the wiki, did anything come of those surveys
[08:14] <rbs-tito> ?
[08:14] <Burgwork> they are currently in elkbuntu's hands
[08:15] <rbs-tito> Have they been analysed and what-not yet?
[08:17] <Burgwork> I don't think so
[08:17] <Burgwork> we might be able to get them from her, to do the analysis
[08:17] <Burgwork> elkbuntu: you are delivering up your surveys to somebody so that we can parse them