[12:27] <Toadstool> heya everybody
[12:27] <TheMuso> Hey Toadstool.
[12:27] <Toadstool> hi TheMuso 
[12:28] <rmjb> Hey Toadstool
[12:28] <rmjb> debuild -i clean should work right?
[12:28] <Toadstool> hey rmjb 
[12:34] <LaserJock> Toadstool: why not?
[12:34] <LaserJock> it's shorter to type :-)
[12:34] <TheMuso> And generates a .build file as well.
[12:35] <TheMuso> And if installed, I think it uses linda/lintian to check the package.
[12:35] <LaserJock> and signs the .dsc and .changes
[12:36] <Toadstool> LaserJock: well... I prefer my cowbuilder most of the time
[02:28] <somerville32> \o_
[02:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:56] <ajmitch> hi bddebian 
[02:56] <bddebian> Hi ajmitch, what's happening?
[02:56] <ajmitch> 800K files & counting..
[02:57] <bddebian> w00t
[02:58] <TheMuso> lovely
[02:58] <bddebian> Hmm, what to do, what to do
[02:58] <ajmitch> fix bugs
[02:58] <ajmitch> now
[02:59] <bddebian> Which bugs?
[02:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, any idea how many RC bugs have been fixed since autosync was switched off?
[03:00] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's what I'm finding out
[03:00] <Fujitsu> I knew you were trying to find out what packages they were in, but I thought you might have a total.
[03:01] <ajmitch> no, to get a total I need to know the bugs
[03:04] <ajmitch> 1532694 files to consider
[03:04] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:04] <Fujitsu> Ouch.
[03:05] <Fujitsu> That's impressive.
[03:05] <ajmitch> debian BTS
[03:05] <ajmitch> it has a lot of stuff
[03:05] <Fujitsu> Obviously.
[03:05] <Fujitsu> I can imagine.
[03:05] <ajmitch> I checked with jamesh, LP is just pulling from a mirror of the BTS as well
[03:05] <Fujitsu> I saw.
[03:05] <ajmitch> yeah
[03:06] <ajmitch> thankfully I've got access to that data as well
[03:06] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice to have access to the LP data as well, rather than screenscraping :(
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Of course, you're a DD-god.
[03:08] <ajmitch> even the bugsquad with their legendary bughelper resort to screen-scraping LP
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> It's not particularly pleasant doing so.
[03:09] <Fujitsu> I wonder if LaserJock has that on his list.
[03:10] <ajmitch> yep
[03:11] <ajmitch> we also have some essential things on the list that debian has
[03:11] <ajmitch> like version information in bugs
[03:11] <somerville32> bddebian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exaile/+bug/82182 - Please? :)
[03:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82182 in exaile "exaile: Merge new debian version" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[03:13] <ajmitch> 25k files rsynced, 1.5 million to go!
[03:13] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, is there a copy of said list around?
[03:13] <Fujitsu> (and version information is rather essential, yes)
[03:13] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: not that I know of, ask LaserJock 
[03:30] <Fujitsu> Hi Hobbsee.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu 
[03:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!
[03:32] <Fujitsu> How's the Great Rsync(tm) going, ajmitch?
[03:34] <ajmitch> 70k done
[03:34] <ajmitch> 14612000 to go
[03:35] <Fujitsu> Haahha.
[03:35] <ajmitch> yeah, nothing to worry about
[03:36] <ajmitch> maybe I should have tarred it up first on the box before copying
[03:36] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[03:36] <Fujitsu> It would probably have compressed well.
[03:36] <ajmitch> oh well
[03:36] <ajmitch> got nothing better to do :)
[03:37] <ajmitch> except work, which I can do while waiting :)
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't it be nice if LP did something like this?
[03:37] <Fujitsu> It really should.
[03:41] <ScottK> Hi Hobbsee - Thanks for the overnight (for me) info on 3.5.6 and Dapper.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ScottK: which?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:48] <bddebian> Whoa, did some finally do fnfx?
[03:49] <Fujitsu> Yup, StevenK did.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yeah, StevenK 
[03:49] <bddebian> Nice
[03:49] <ScottK> On a positive note my laptop now runs Feisty just fine.
[03:50] <bddebian> Nice 2 :)
[03:56] <somerville32> bddebian, Can you review my merge request?
[03:56] <bddebian> somerville32: You mean the one I already uploaded?
[03:57] <somerville32> Yup, that one
[03:57] <somerville32> ;] 
[03:59] <somerville32> bddebian, When did you uploadi t?
[03:59] <bddebian> About 10-20 minutes ago
[04:00] <somerville32> 20 minutes ago
[04:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ahh, there's your official answer.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-January/012932.html
[04:07] <ScottK> Yeah.  I saw that.  I was hoping he'd change his mind.
[04:08] <ScottK> About time I redid my desktop install anyway....
[04:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: we cant support *everything* - and all of kde takes ages to build.
[04:11] <ScottK> I'd have hoped the LTS release would continue to get the new KDE updates, but I understand.  
[04:12] <ScottK> I'm certainly getting far more than I paid for with Kubuntu, so I'm not going to complain.
[04:12] <bddebian> Why not, the rest of us do :)
[04:12] <somerville32> L(
[04:12] <somerville32> *:)
[04:13] <ScottK> bddebian: Dunno if you read kubuntu-users, but some of the responses to that e-mail were, IMO, way over the top.
[04:14] <ScottK> I'll keep my complaining to merging courier for the moment.
[04:15] <bddebian> :-)
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i havent read them - but we start having to get more and more later versions of libs.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: and people dont get that security updates get backported separately
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: why arent you in #kubuntu-devel, btw?
[04:19] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Hey, he's ours, you can't have him! :-)
[04:20] <somerville32> Hobbsee, Why aren't you in #xubuntu-devel?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> bddebian: -motu is non de-specific
[04:20] <Hobbsee> somerville32: because i dont do xfce stuff?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> bddebian: also, he's already in kubuntu-testers
[04:20] <bddebian> :-)
[04:20] <somerville32> Hobbsee, You could start ;] 
[04:22] <Hobbsee> somerville32: could, yes.
[04:22] <Toadstool> what? people actually use KDE?!
[04:22] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: yes.  
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i thought the backlash would be mroe than that
[04:23] <Toadstool> noooo ! not the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ahh, missed a lot
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yes!  it is!
[04:23] <Toadstool> :)
[04:24] <bddebian> Heh, heya Toadstool
[04:24] <Toadstool> hey bddebian 
[04:37] <TheMuso> So. What have I missed?
[04:37] <TheMuso> In the time my DSL decided to die.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: just Toadstool being doomed
[04:38] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Oh ok.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: woo :)
[04:40] <TheMuso> kubuntu? What the hell is that? :)
[04:40] <TheMuso> If it doesn't talk, I don't wanna knwo about it! :)
[04:40] <TheMuso> know even
[04:41] <Hobbsee> bah.  talking distros are so overated..
[04:41] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You would never harm a blind defenceless person.
[04:41] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: depends :P
[04:41] <Hobbsee> besides, you're not defenseless
[04:41] <TheMuso> How would you know? :)
[04:42] <TheMuso> =/c
[04:42] <TheMuso> bah
[04:42] <TheMuso> All lies!
[04:45] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: your cane
[04:47] <ScottK> Cool.  Now that I have Kubuntu Feisty I can confirm that my KTNEF bug is fixed (it's a universe package, so not OT)!
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yay!
[04:50] <ScottK> If any of you MOTUs are out there enjoying my courier pain, maybe you could review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179 while I sit here and beat my head against the desk...
[04:58] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: That thing is as flimsy as a feather.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> pity...
[05:00] <TheMuso> SO I am defenceless.
[05:04] <TheMuso> ooooooooou
[05:04] <TheMuso> that hurt
[06:36] <LaserJock> evening MOTUers
[06:37] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock 
[06:37] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[06:37] <somerville32> Heya LaserJock 
[06:37] <TheMuso> Heya LaserJock 
[06:38] <LaserJock> what a day
[06:39] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[06:42] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, do you have a bug on The List about having a non-screenscraping interface to Malone?
[06:42] <LaserJock> not really
[06:44] <LaserJock> I'll have to work on that
[06:44] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what to do about that
[06:45] <zakame> hi all
[06:47] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[06:48] <LaserJock> hi zakame 
[06:48] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: the non-screenscraping stuff sounds like a spec
[06:49] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I'd call it a High-priority bug, as any BTS should have such a feature; but perhaps you are right.
[06:49] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you mean the mythical xml-rpc interface
[06:50] <ajmitch> which was promised months/years ago
[06:50] <zakame> hello bddebian LaserJock
[06:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yep, most mythical it is.
[06:50] <Fujitsu> Like 2 years ago, yeah.
[06:50] <zakame> yes, where's xml-rpc?
[06:50] <LaserJock> well, I was told that xml-rpc exists, it just isn't public
[06:50] <Fujitsu> And the most-complete email interface we have.
[06:50] <ajmitch> I remember those talks with bradb in sydney...
[06:50] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, a basic interface is public.
[06:50] <Fujitsu> I don't believe any other one exists.
[06:50] <ajmitch> at UDU, I think it was late april 2005
[06:50] <ajmitch> so nearly 2 years
[06:50] <Fujitsu> (where basic == the current extent of the Malone email interface)
[06:50] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, that's what I meant.
[06:50] <LaserJock> anyway, it is one of the things I'm interested in
[06:51] <LaserJock> but I think there probably already exists a spec for it
[06:51] <Fujitsu> I'd put it at rather high priority.
[06:51] <LaserJock> sure
[06:51] <LaserJock> it won't be public
[06:51] <LaserJock> that's what I'm running into right now
[06:52] <LaserJock> all the specs are on the non-public wiki
[06:52] <Fujitsu> But I'll be able to see if it exists or not.
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Of course, but their existence can be verified.
[06:52] <ajmitch> by harassing your local LP developer?
[06:52] <LaserJock> well, hopefully I'll have access soon enough
[06:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: aren't you the privileged one? :)
[06:53] <LaserJock> soon
[06:53] <ajmitch> (xfer#341736, to-check=1190917/1532694)
[06:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: You're comfortable with the requisite infinite number of NDAs?
[06:53] <ajmitch> woo, only 1.1 millon to go!
[06:53] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, not too bad.
[06:53] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: of course
[06:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I don't need a large chunk of it, but I may as well rsync it now for future bug crawling
[06:55] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: if I want to make any helpful changes I gotta do what I've gotta do
[06:55] <Fujitsu> I guess so.
[06:56] <Fujitsu> Aha, bug #30941.
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30941 in malone "Should be able to output YAML or XML" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30941
[06:57] <ajmitch> currently malone is no better than any other proprietary platform for locking up data
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmm, heno wants it too
[06:58] <Fujitsu> I find it to be infinitely good at locking up data.
[07:00] <Fujitsu> It surely can't be that freaking hard to give XML dumps of data :-/
[07:00] <LaserJock> no, but if people aren't requesting it they probably aren't going to work on it much
[07:01] <LaserJock> hopefully I can help get the priorities up on some of those things
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Well, we need to request it a lot then :)
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Hopefully.
[07:01] <LaserJock> well, it's not alway volume either
[07:01] <LaserJock> if we can say "This is something MOTU wants"
[07:01] <LaserJock> I think it has more weight
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Surely `this is something heno wants' also carries some weight.
[07:02] <ajmitch> if I want to do mass bug-crunching in some script, I don't want to be waiting a minute for eveyr bug page to come up & be scraped
[07:02] <LaserJock> and heno (who represents the distro team in LP meetings) requestiong helps
[07:02] <LaserJock> ajmitch: of course, but I don't think the LP guys know we are doing that
[07:02] <LaserJock> I told kiko about some of the stuff I've been doing
[07:02] <LaserJock> using Fujitu's bug script, etc.
[07:02] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, exactly. I dumped my extended version of my bug scraper because it would have taken ages just to run on the science bugs.
[07:02] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they'll know once the load hits ;)
[07:03] <LaserJock> and he was kinda shocked
[07:03] <ajmitch> LaserJock: what bug script?
[07:03] <LaserJock> Fujitsu wrote a simple script to get MOTU Science bugs
[07:03] <ajmitch> parse the table & fetch the bugs?
[07:03] <ajmitch> it's sad that you have to do that
[07:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, no. That was too slow. It just parses the +packagebugs into a sane HTML table, and filters out those with no bugs.
[07:03] <Fujitsu> I originally wrote it to parse the bugs seperately.
[07:04] <ajmitch> why am I not surprised that it'd be slow? :)
[07:04] <LaserJock> http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/bugs.html
[07:04] <Fujitsu> But it was too slow, so I dumped the idea.
[07:04] <ajmitch> this is why I'm glad I can access the raw debian BTS data
[07:04] <ajmitch> as large as it is
[07:04] <LaserJock> well, I will give a report at the next LP dev meeting
[07:05] <Fujitsu> So kiko didn't know the lengths we've been going to?
[07:05] <LaserJock> I think this is for sure one of the issues I want to bring up
[07:05] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I don't think so
[07:05] <LaserJock> he said we shouldn't have to do that
[07:05] <Fujitsu> -headdesk-
[07:05] <LaserJock> and he's willing to put resources to that end I believe
[07:06] <ajmitch> the automagical linking utopia of launchpad should be able to handle most of that for me
[07:06] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, isn't that what LP is meant to solve?
[07:06] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[07:06] <ajmitch> of course
[07:06] <ajmitch> 'is meant to' != 'does'
[07:06] <Fujitsu> True.
[07:07] <LaserJock> yep
[07:07] <Fujitsu> I don't like the attitude of the LP people to quite a number of bugs, which they just answer with "we'll look at it post-1.0". For example, bug #61024 (which incited my parsing python script).
[07:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61024 in malone "+packagebugs could have better filtering." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61024
[07:08] <ajmitch> we're not paying customers ;)
[07:09] <LaserJock> well, I truely hope we can have more voice now
[07:09] <Fujitsu> I'm afraid that I'd prefer to be stuck on Bugzilla than LP with some of these things :-/
[07:09] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, I think we all do.
[07:09] <LaserJock> so far everybody has been very good about it
[07:10] <ajmitch> convince sabdfl to hire more competent people to work on it :)
[07:10] <bddebian> Gnight gents
[07:10] <LaserJock> but I can see when they are very busy getting it ready for users
[07:10] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, or convince sabdfl to open it.
[07:10] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'm not sure if I can do a whole lot there :-)
[07:10] <LaserJock> I honestly don't think that'd do anything
[07:10] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: HAH
[07:11] <LaserJock> but I don't know
[07:11] <LaserJock> I'm just a chemist ;-)
[07:11] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, what use is it having it ready for users, if it's unsuitable for devs?
[07:11] <LaserJock> devs can workaround easier than users?
[07:11] <Fujitsu> If the bugs go into this hole that is LP, and the devs can't get them out properly...
[07:12] <LaserJock> well, seriously, I don't think it's *that* bad
[07:12] <LaserJock> I still get out what I need
[07:12] <LaserJock> it just could be easier
[07:12] <LaserJock> and we need to be moving forward
[07:12] <Fujitsu> Can someone tell me how https://launchpad.net/~motuscience/+packagebugs is even vaguely useful?
[07:12] <LaserJock> well, it was when I first started using it
[07:13] <LaserJock> if you subscribe MOTU Science to a bug it works fine
[07:13] <Fujitsu> We've got this great page, listing 500 packages, most of which don't have bugs, and some which do, with no way of seperating them except screenscraping, and even then no way of listing the bugs.
[07:13] <LaserJock> yep, but we are a corner case
[07:13] <LaserJock> although probably not for long
[07:14] <LaserJock> most teams don't have more than 10-20 packages to look after
[07:15] <LaserJock> if we are pushing the envelope of what people are doing with LP of course it's going to be rough
[07:15] <Fujitsu> Not for long? The bug about it has had the dreaded `post-1.0' response. It has been condemned.
[07:15] <LaserJock> whatever
[07:15] <LaserJock> I can push for it
[07:15] <LaserJock> and see what happened
[07:15] <LaserJock> *happens
[07:15] <Fujitsu> I shall be interested to see what comes of it.
[07:15] <LaserJock> but what I meant was that MOTU Science is still a corner case
[07:16] <LaserJock> I think more teams like us will come up
[07:16] <Fujitsu> Perhaps.
[07:17] <LaserJock> but all this takes time
[07:17] <LaserJock> I guess that's the frustrating part
[07:17] <LaserJock> I don't mind if there are bugs, it'd just be nice to get them fixed :-)
[07:17] <Fujitsu> ... and fixed in less than 2 years.
[07:17] <LaserJock> but look at that maxima bug
[07:17] <Fujitsu> ... and features that were promised 2 years ago implemented.
[07:18] <LaserJock> that took over 6 months
[07:18] <LaserJock> it happens
[07:18] <Fujitsu> It did. But that was an elusive problem, without full-time developers.
[07:18] <Fujitsu> These are feature requests, where the developers know the code, and they're not elusive fixes in 54kloc patches.
[07:18] <LaserJock> sure, but the problem remains, if there are more bugs than people to fix them you have to leave some unfixed for a while
[07:19] <Fujitsu> 2 years > a while, IMO.
[07:19] <LaserJock> well it is a long time
[07:19] <LaserJock> but things happen
[07:20] <LaserJock> it seems to me that LP is so very complex and there are so many interdependecies that it takes longer to fix things
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Yes, things like breaking the capability of non core-devs to target things to releases.
[07:20] <LaserJock> that wasn't breaking
[07:20] <Fujitsu> Different people seem to work on their specific parts.
[07:20] <Fujitsu> It is a regression.
[07:20] <LaserJock> that was feature that didn't work out ;-)
[07:21] <LaserJock> I don't know
[07:22] <LaserJock> I just don't see how LP is worse than any other BTS
[07:22] <LaserJock> and it has a lot of nice things too
[07:22] <LaserJock> it seems like a bit of an experiment for sure
[07:22] <LaserJock> but it seems to me like it has a lot of potential
[07:23] <LaserJock> of course tomorrow I'll be curing it up and down ;-)
[07:23] <LaserJock> *cursing
[07:24] <Fujitsu> When's the meeting?
[07:24] <LaserJock> Thursday 12:00 UTC
[07:24] <Fujitsu> OK.
[07:26] <LaserJock> I actually won't be there in person
[07:26] <LaserJock> 12:00UTC is 04:00 local and I'll be at a conference
[07:29] <LaserJock> but I think I'm going to have a "Top 5" bug list
[07:29] <LaserJock> and really hammer those
[07:32] <Fujitsu> Have you worked out that top 5 yet?
[07:32] <LaserJock> no
[07:32] <LaserJock> I'm still working on my complete list of bugs
[07:32] <LaserJock> I've got soyuz and malone down
[07:32] <Fujitsu> Good, good.
[07:32] <LaserJock> I still need to do the general LP bugs for things like teams, etc.
[07:33] <LaserJock> I know polling is something they are working on
[07:33] <Fujitsu> What's wrong with polling at the moment?
[07:33] <LaserJock> I think having effective ways of setting meeting times, voting, etc. would be nice
[07:33] <LaserJock> it's a pain
[07:36] <LaserJock> things that I think are candidates for the Top 5 might be
[07:37] <LaserJock> knowing why you are getting bug email (what team)
[07:37] <Fujitsu> Yup.
[07:37] <LaserJock> +packagebugs
[07:38] <Fujitsu> Definitely.
[07:39] <LaserJock> maybe karma for uploads :-)
[07:39] <LaserJock>  Allow +filebug?tag=... URLs for pre-setting tags
[07:40] <LaserJock> There should be a report to show "Needs Info bugs that have had a response" or When replying to a Needs Info bug, it should be possible to say "I provided the Info"
[07:40] <LaserJock> I guess that's 5
[07:41] <Fujitsu> Those three, particularly the last, are also rather important.
[07:41] <Fujitsu> That does make 5.
[07:41] <LaserJock> there are also several bugs about using bug reporting templates
[07:41] <ajmitch> oh python is so nice
[07:42] <LaserJock> one in particular would allow for a "please add this info" or "bug reporting notes" for +filebug for *each* package
[07:42] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Why? (though, that is its job)
[07:42] <ajmitch> it makes the tricky things far more possible & understandable
[07:42] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: That'd be nice!
[07:42] <ajmitch> easier to code something if you can keep it in your head & follow the code
[07:43] <ajmitch> now all I need is the magic data
[07:43] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, so the code might actually work?
[07:44] <ajmitch> of course it'll work
[07:44] <LaserJock> I've opened a bug to allow motu-sru to approve uploads to -proposed but that'll take a spec
[07:44] <ajmitch> I can get a list of closed bugs in a few seconds, rather than a few minutes via ldap
[07:44] <Fujitsu> But it carries the LP-lacking-workaround curse.
[07:44] <Fujitsu> So it won't work, ajmitch.
[07:44] <LaserJock> so I'm not going to put it on a Top 5 since I want to actually get something in the Top 5 fixed ;-)
[07:45] <LaserJock> ajmitch: but downloading all of BTS?
[07:45] <LaserJock> s/but/by/
[07:45] <Fujitsu> Those that are in the Top 5 look fairly simple.
[07:45] <LaserJock> I think so, we'll see what the response is ;-)
[07:45] <LaserJock> I've noticed that many of the bugs were reported by the LP devs
[07:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: sure :)
[07:46] <LaserJock> and never got any comments from "real users"
[07:46] <Fujitsu> I bet the response to most of them will be `post-1.0'.
[07:46] <LaserJock> well, they are making a big push
[07:46] <LaserJock> but I know one of them is a fix-it-friday bug
[07:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I can rsync the bts data in future - at least this way it's not putting big load on servers
[07:46] <LaserJock> ahhh
[07:46] <LaserJock> good point
[07:46] <LaserJock> ajmitch: how big is it?
[07:47] <ajmitch> a mere 12 GB
[07:47] <LaserJock> holy cow!!!
[07:47] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Why are there so many files, as there are only like 400k bugs?
[07:47] <ajmitch> each bug is in 4 files
[07:47] <ajmitch> or 5, I can't recall
[07:47] <Fujitsu> That would do it.
[07:47] <ajmitch> I just need to open the ones I want & parse them
[07:48] <Fujitsu> And then we can get lots of nice bugs fixed :)
[07:48] <LaserJock> you know, I'd like a per package whiteboard
[07:48] <LaserJock> does that exist?
[07:48] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: No.
[07:48] <Fujitsu> That would be too convenient.
[07:49] <Fujitsu> I'd like the ability to see upstream-forwarding status from the main bug listing.
[07:49] <ajmitch> ok, I've restarted the rsync, skipping the archived bugs for now
[07:49] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: How many files now?
[07:49] <ajmitch> I want to get the active bugs first & then worry about historical data
[07:49] <ajmitch> without the archived bugs, 591096 in total
[07:49] <Fujitsu> Still ouch.
[07:49] <ajmitch> yep :)
[07:50] <ajmitch> I can use the britney python extension to do quick version comparisons
[07:50] <LaserJock> are you going to opensource your script? ;-)
[07:50] <ajmitch> hah
[07:51] <ajmitch> no, it's too much of a messy hack ;)
[07:51] <Fujitsu> Of course not! It's, erm, what was it... `part of the service Canonical offers to other companies producing distributions' *cough* MoM *cough*
[07:51] <ajmitch> main problem is that it won't be as useful without a local BTS mirror
[07:51] <LaserJock> hmm yeah
[07:51] <ajmitch> but it's in my scripts branch anyway
[07:51] <LaserJock> I was pretty disappointed with MoM's closed sourceness
[07:52] <LaserJock> ah well
[07:52] <LaserJock> such is life
[07:52] <Fujitsu> I was not impressed to see Keybuk say that :-/
[07:53] <LaserJock> well, I don't exactly use MoM anyway
[07:53] <LaserJock> but I think it does do some cool things
[07:53] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure what all
[07:54] <Fujitsu> What cool things?
[07:54] <ajmitch> changelog merging
[07:54] <ajmitch> some conflict resolution
[07:54] <Fujitsu> What ajmitch said.
[07:54] <Fujitsu> That's it.
[07:54] <Fujitsu> Does it?
[07:54] <LaserJock> well, it does things not exactly merge related
[07:54] <LaserJock> I think anyway
[07:54] <LaserJock> more overall QA and patch status stuff
[07:55] <Fujitsu> As far as I know, the only special things it does are changelog merging, taking several hours, and regularly breaking.
[07:55] <Fujitsu> And annoying Debian maintainers by mailing them patches.
[07:55] <ajmitch> splitting up patches for people to take
[07:56] <LaserJock> I really did like our system in Dapper
[07:56] <LaserJock> but it relied on MoM and lots of bug reports
[07:56] <Fujitsu> The bug report business should have been integrated with MoM.
[07:57] <LaserJock> well, I don't think they saw mass filing of merge bugs as a "good" thing
[07:57] <ajmitch> since it's not software bugs
[07:57] <ajmitch> but a workflow problem
[07:57] <LaserJock> if I remember right we had some discussion about if we should do it or not
[07:58] <LaserJock> right
[07:58] <ajmitch> the alternative at the time was a wiki
[07:58] <LaserJock> Malone "abuse"
[07:58] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I meant it shouldn't have been bugs, but a field in MoM.
[07:58] <ajmitch> though I think we could do a fully separate system on tiber
[07:58] <ajmitch> "MoM 2.0 (beta)"
[07:58] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: ah yes, well at that time MoM didn't have the nice shiny pages it has now
[07:58] <LaserJock> it was just files
[07:58] <ajmitch> shiny was not in MoM's vocabulary
[07:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:59] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, it's a little to late in the cycle for that, isn't it?
[07:59] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: for feisty, sure
[07:59] <ajmitch> but we have about 4-5 months until the next one
[07:59] <LaserJock> we should really take a look at Feisty+1 and what we need to do
[07:59] <ajmitch> I agree
[07:59] <LaserJock> I'm hoping I can get enough out of the LP guys to have somewhat of an idea where LP will be
[07:59] <ajmitch> really push making our work easier
[08:00] <Fujitsu> MoM v2: "Stuff closed infrastructure"
[08:00] <ajmitch> I'll twist the arm of my local LP contact
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[08:00] <LaserJock> ajmitch: do that ;-)
[08:00] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: mpt?
[08:00] <Fujitsu> Or one of the other multitude of NZ LP devs? There is a disproportionate number there!
[08:00] <ajmitch> thumper
[08:01] <ajmitch> mpt isn't in dunedin anymore
[08:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: you work your way west from NZ and I'll work my way east from Brazil
[08:02] <ajmitch> sure
[08:02] <LaserJock> I honestly don't know if they will ever include everything we need
[08:02] <ajmitch> who wants to take on sabdfl?
[08:03] <LaserJock> hmm, can we send Burgwork? :-)
[08:03] <Fujitsu> So for Feisty+1 we need: MoM 2, a working LP or a LP-parsing external bug thing... what else?
[08:04] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, I think they might say that external bug parsing will be unneeded if everything is in LP
[08:04] <Fujitsu> Hence the conditional.
[08:04] <LaserJock> ah, didn't see the or
[08:05] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[08:05] <LaserJock> well, how critical is MoM really?
[08:06] <ajmitch> it helps 
[08:06] <Fujitsu> It will make things easier and more efficient if we do a similar thing to what was done during Dapper, but build it into MoM. That way a package can be sort of locked, and work-duplication is eliminated.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> And comments could be added, so people won't try to merge things when others have discovered they can't be done.
[08:06] <Fujitsu> And it does make things faster already.
[08:08] <LaserJock> argg, bed time
[08:08] <LaserJock> cya all
[08:08] <Fujitsu> Bye, Laser_away.
[08:09] <ajmitch> :1:> ./rcbugs.py current/bug-check local current/data/spool/
[08:09] <ajmitch> Ubuntu (3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-10) doesn't have the Debian (3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-9) fix for mailcrypt bug 371104, fixed in 3.5.8+cvs.2005.04.29.1-7
[08:09] <ajmitch> ok
[08:09] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[08:09] <ajmitch> 1 result out of my script with woefully incomplete data
[08:10] <ajmitch> this can't tell if the bug was introduced by a debian change in between (yet)
[08:10] <ajmitch> but it'll be a good start
[08:10] <ajmitch> and it's fast
[08:10] <Fujitsu> How fast?
[08:11] <ajmitch> well it's loading data for a few hundred thousand bugs into memory
[08:11] <ajmitch> & scanning through the whole list for those packages that are newer in debian
[08:11] <ajmitch> and then checking each closed bug for those packages
[08:12] <ajmitch> & then finding the fixed version, comparing it with the ubuntu version
[08:13] <Fujitsu> And how long does it take?
[08:13] <ajmitch> Ubuntu (3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-10) doesn't have the fix included in mailcrypt 3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-9 (debian bug 371104), fixed in 3.5.8+cvs.2005.04.29.1-7
[08:13] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 371104 in mailcrypt "problem with parenthesis in 50mailcrypt.el" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/371104
[08:13] <Fujitsu> I have never found Python to be particularly fast.
[08:13] <ajmitch> ok, reworded it so that ubugtu triggers
[08:13] <Fujitsu> Goodo.
[08:13] <ajmitch> about 2 seconds to scan through the list & get that
[08:14] <Fujitsu> It might be nice to have something like `mailcrypt in Ubuntu (3.5...' to make it more obvious which package it is.
[08:14] <ajmitch> real    0m1.981s
[08:14] <ajmitch> user    0m1.732s
[08:14] <ajmitch> sys     0m0.216s
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Not bad!
[08:14] <ajmitch> sure
[08:14] <ajmitch> considering that each ldap query or bug page screen-scrape was taking well over 2 seconds, it's a massive win
[08:15] <ajmitch> mailcrypt in Ubuntu (3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-10) doesn't have the fix included in mailcrypt 3.5.8+CVS.2005.04.29.1-9 (debian bug 371104), fixed in 3.5.8+cvs.2005.04.29.1-7
[08:15] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 371104 in mailcrypt "problem with parenthesis in 50mailcrypt.el" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/371104
[08:15] <ajmitch> that's better
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Substantially faster than my LP-targetted efforts!
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Yup, that's better.
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Very nice.
[08:15] <ajmitch> though it's wrong
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Is it?
[08:16] <Fujitsu> Hrm.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> True.
[08:16] <ajmitch> yeah, the version comparison is wrong
[08:16] <Fujitsu> I just noticed.
[08:16] <ajmitch> simple fix
[08:18] <ajmitch> also I was reading in the versions in the wrong order from my other scripts
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Well, that's a simple fix, as you said. It seems to, overall, be working rather well.
[08:19] <ajmitch> yeah, I'm mostly happy with it
[08:20] <ajmitch> sysv-rc-conf in Ubuntu (0.99-5) doesn't have the fix included in sysv-rc-conf 0.99-6 (debian bug 408302), fixed in 0.99-6
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 408302 in sysv-rc-conf "sysv-rc-conf too greedy when unlinking files" [Normal,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/408302
[08:20] <ajmitch> fpc in Ubuntu (2.0.0-4) doesn't have the fix included in fpc 2.0.4-5 (debian bug 348408), fixed in 2.0.4-1
[08:20] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 348408 in fpc "fpc: [INTL:de]  German PO file update" [Minor,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/348408
[08:20] <ajmitch> oh this is much better now
[08:20] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[08:20] <ajmitch> I've got quite a list of results now, even with only 10% of the bug data pulled
[08:21] <ajmitch> it won't cull duplicate packages yet though, but I'll post-process it & sort it
[08:21] <Fujitsu> Now, there is still the issue of the bug being introduced in a version since the Ubuntu one, but that would be very difficult or impossible to handle.
[08:21] <ajmitch> I agree
[08:21] <ajmitch> since you can't tell if it was introduced later, or merely found later
[08:22] <Fujitsu> Exactly.
[08:22] <ajmitch> I do have the info about when it was found
[08:22] <Fujitsu> How many bugs has it found in that 10%?
[08:22] <ajmitch> 59
[08:22] <ajmitch> this doesn't filter on severity yet
[08:23] <Fujitsu> So it's not just RC... That's not bad.
[08:23] <Fujitsu> Is an archive rebuild planned?
[08:23] <ajmitch> I believe so
[08:24] <ajmitch> this should give a good start for packages to sync
[08:24] <Fujitsu> I presume that Soyuz is still incompetent, so we'll have to do it externally... Gr.
[08:25] <ajmitch> ok, 69 now :)
[08:26] <Fujitsu> At a glance, how many of those are RC?
[08:29] <ajmitch> hard to tell, I'm not printing the severity yet
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[08:32] <ajmitch> have to fix the index parser to not split badly
[08:38] <ajmitch> so far, 4 grave, 8 serious
[08:38] <ajmitch> out of 98 total
[08:38] <Fujitsu> So the situation isn't overly dire.
[08:38] <ajmitch> zope2.9 in Ubuntu (2.9.6-1) doesn't have the fix included in zope2.9 2.9.6-3 (debian bug 404013, serious), fixed in 2.9.6-2
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 404013 in zope2.9 "file conflict between zope2.9 and zope2.9-sandbox" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/404013
[08:38] <ajmitch> one for me to look at
[08:39] <LaserJock> guess not
[08:39] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock 
[08:39] <ajmitch> not quite asleep?
[08:40] <Fujitsu> Or he's sleep-IRCing,.
[08:40] <ajmitch> heh
[08:41] <ajmitch> with LaserJock, anything is possible
[08:41] <LaserJock> no
[08:41] <LaserJock> bah
[08:41] <LaserJock> I just took a shower
[08:41] <LaserJock> I've got so much to do by tomorrow night I'm going to pull another late nighter I think
[08:41] <TheMuso> heh
[08:42] <Fujitsu> What do you need to do?
[08:42] <LaserJock> I spent 3 hrs this evening going over my poster with my group
[08:42] <LaserJock> I have some writing to do
[08:42] <LaserJock> and I'm going to a conference Wed.
[08:42] <LaserJock> where I need to give a poster and hunt up a postdoc
[08:43] <LaserJock> I was up until 3:00am last night (haven't done that in some time)
[08:43] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-grave.txt
[08:43] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-serious.txt
[08:43] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.txt
[08:44] <ajmitch> now to make it into some useful html
[08:44] <cypher1> ajmitch: script output ?
[08:44] <LaserJock> is that all of them?
[08:44] <ajmitch> cypher1: yeah
[08:44] <cypher1> ajmitch: nice..
[08:44] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no, I've only got < 20% of the bug data so far
[08:45] <LaserJock> ok, I was expecting more
[08:45] <LaserJock> it's ok if you don't find more though ;-)
[08:47] <palski> SRU bug #79059, needs testing.... 
[08:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79059 in gnome-hearts "[SRU]  gnome-hearts crashes on startup (edgy)" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79059
[08:47] <ajmitch> LaserJock: there'll be plenty more, don't worry :)
[08:49] <ajmitch> though...
[08:49] <ajmitch> I'm not matching on multiverse yet
[08:49] <ajmitch> & was ignoring those on the merge list, which I shouldn't
[08:50] <ajmitch> since this should help prioritise the merge list
[08:50] <LaserJock> ajmitch: this will be quite awesome
[08:50] <ajmitch> basic html pages will be useful too :)
[08:50] <LaserJock> yes
[08:50] <Fujitsu> LP really should do this :(
[08:51] <ajmitch> I agree
[08:51] <ajmitch> the reason I didn't want merges in was for things like:
[08:51] <ajmitch> azureus in Ubuntu (2.5.0.0repack1-0ubuntu1) doesn't have the fix included in azureus 2.5.0.0+0-1 (debian bug 367110, important), fixed in 2.5.0.0+0-1
[08:51] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 367110 in azureus "azureus: console ui feature missing in Debian version" [Important,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/367110
[08:51] <ajmitch> which could be a foul lie
[08:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: Mark's in #launchpad, go for it :-)
[08:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'd rather have a few false positives than miss others
[08:52] <ajmitch> true
[08:52] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, oooooor not.
[08:52] <ajmitch> people will have to check the bugs anyway
[08:52] <LaserJock> yep
[08:53] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, if ajmitch gets his script looking slick by Thursday I can give it as an example of "things we script but shouldn't have to" ;-)
[08:53] <ajmitch> I won't announce this until I have it working properly
[08:53] <ajmitch> ie, I have all the data I need :)
[08:53] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: True.
[08:54] <LaserJock> nothing like a little "A bunch of lazy MOTU slackies can do it" to get people motivated ;-)
[08:54] <ajmitch> haha
[08:54] <Fujitsu> Hah!
[08:55] <LaserJock> even better, "A single lazy MOTU slacky can do it"
[08:56] <ajmitch> especially if I make the pages shiny!
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Bling!
[08:56] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:56] <Fujitsu> I imagined similar.
[08:59] <ajmitch> who says IE can't do <blink> ?
[09:00] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[09:01] <LaserJock> heh, I just saw the "No blobs" petition on -devel-discuss
[09:02] <LaserJock> maybe they should have sent it to -devel
[09:08] <ajmitch> lp is agonisingly slow 
[09:09] <Fujitsu> Old news, ajmitch.
[09:09] <LaserJock> is it the load
[09:09] <Fujitsu> It's particularly slow when you try to download 180 bug pages from it.
[09:09] <LaserJock> or just a slow app
[09:09] <Fujitsu> Brb, dinner.
[09:09] <LaserJock> well, the worst is BTS
[09:09] <LaserJock> you send it an email and it takes ages to get anything back
[09:10] <LaserJock> at least the presentation of bugs is fast
[09:16] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <ajmitch> hey dholbach 
[09:17] <dholbach> hey andrew
[09:17] <LaserJock> hi dholbach 
[09:19] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[09:19] <ajmitch> dholbach: http://10.18.1.1/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.html
[09:19] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I see the list growing :-)
[09:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: and I have an html uglifier now too! :)
[09:19] <LaserJock> \o/
[09:20] <dholbach> is it transferring data from the moon? ;-)
[09:20] <ajmitch> haha
[09:20] <ajmitch> from NZ
[09:20] <ajmitch> ah
[09:20] <ajmitch> wait
[09:20] <ajmitch> http://10.18.1.1/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.html
[09:20] <ajmitch> bah
[09:20] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.html
[09:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: very nice. plain but effective
[09:21] <dholbach> ahhh, there we go
[09:21] <dholbach> whoooo!!!
[09:21] <dholbach> ajmitch: well done!
[09:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: I've only got some of the debian bug data so far, but this is getting there
[09:24] <LaserJock> ajmitch: small thing, the Ubuntu versions have ()
[09:24] <ajmitch> yeah, I'll trim that, one sec
[09:26] <ajmitch> it takes a bit longer to run now that it has a few hundred thousand files available to open
[09:26] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
[09:26] <LaserJock> hmm, there are more ubuntuX versions than I thought
[09:27] <ajmitch> yeah, some false positives there with bugs, I'd say
[09:28] <ajmitch> though they'd indicate merges that need done 
[09:28] <Fujitsu> Very nice, ajmitch!
[09:29] <ajmitch> fixed
[09:29] <ajmitch> not bad for a few hours hacking
[09:29] <ajmitch> now if only we had that sort of thing with launchpad... :)
[09:29] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:30] <LaserJock> what an interesting version: 1.6c.really1.6c-1.1
[09:30] <ajmitch> heh
[09:30] <Fujitsu> Yeah, poke some LP people and laugh at them.
[09:30] <LaserJock> gotta be nice now
[09:30] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: So that's all the non-archived bugs?
[09:30] <LaserJock> but I think showing them the kinds of things we are interested in is helpful
[09:31] <Fujitsu> What might be nice is versions of those pages with multiple bugs for each package compressed into one row, but I'm not sure how you'd do the severity and co.
[09:34] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: hah
[09:34] <ajmitch> I've got 28% of them
[09:34] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: severity is done by css
[09:34] <LaserJock> still rsyncing?
[09:34] <ajmitch> so just highlight the bugs as needed
[09:34] <ajmitch> LaserJock: will be for awhile
[09:34] <Fujitsu> Ah, true.
[09:34] <ajmitch> spool/db-h/28/325028.summary
[09:34] <ajmitch>          313 100%    0.21kB/s    0:00:01 (xfer#170757, to-check=420236/591056)
[09:36] <\sh> moins :)
[09:37] <Fujitsu> Hi \sh.
[09:38] <ajmitch> pft
[09:38] <LaserJock> it was a good run *sniff*
[09:38] <ajmitch> never
[09:39] <ajmitch> I cannot aspire to your heights, oh launchpad master
[09:39] <LaserJock> lol
[09:39] <LaserJock> "jack of all trades, master of none" as my dad used to say
[09:52] <poningru> anyone know what promise card jdong has?
[09:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:54] <\sh> ajmitch: which lists?
[09:54] <LaserJock> once you get it set we'll need to let everybody know
[09:54] <Fujitsu> \sh: His new, godly lists.
[09:54] <ajmitch> \sh: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Of bugs, and lots of them.
[09:54] <LaserJock> ajmitch: are you going to have bandwidth problems if everybody starts using them?
[09:54] <\sh> sounds like work...lets see 
[09:55] <ajmitch> LaserJock: they're fairly light pages
[09:55] <ajmitch> \sh: mostly they're lists of packages we need to sync
[09:55] <LaserJock> they aren't that big I guess, but I know you guys have weird internet there
[09:55] <Fujitsu> If it becomes a problem, tiber and mekong are available.
[09:55] <ajmitch> it *should* be > 512Kbps upstream
[09:55] <Fujitsu> (more likely tiber)
[09:55] <ajmitch> yeah, and I've got access to imbrandon's boxes :)
[09:56] <Fujitsu> This is true.
[10:13] <LaserJock> ok, I'm really going to bed now
[10:13] <siretart> sleep well, LaserJock 
[10:13] <LaserJock> oh, hi siretart :-)
[10:13] <ajmitch> night LaserJock, hi siretart :)
[10:14] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, LaserJock.
[10:14] <siretart> ajmitch: wow. http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html is very useful. how do you generate this page?
[10:15] <ajmitch> with a script that runs over the bts data which I'm rsyncing from merkel.d.o
[10:15] <siretart> ah. I see
[10:15] <ajmitch> finds the closed bugs, finds when they were fixed, and compares the ubuntu version to the fix version
[10:16] <siretart> I'm a bit surprised that there are so few RC bugs
[10:17] <ajmitch> I haven't even got a third of the data
[10:17] <siretart> aah, that explains :)
[10:17] <ajmitch> these will be RC bugs fixed after the autosync was turned off
[10:17] <siretart> yes, that I understood. we should go through this list before UVF
[10:17] <ajmitch> yep
[10:17] <ajmitch> a good list to check for syncs 
[10:18] <Lutin> that's awesome
[10:18] <siretart> ajmitch: would it be feasible to also include 'important' bugs, maybe on some different .html page?
[10:18] <ajmitch> sure
[10:18] <ajmitch> just another grep :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.html has the whole list
[10:18] <siretart> I think many of those can be fixed by a sync, like openvpn
[10:19] <Lutin> this is life-saving, looking through the whole sync list to find serious bugfixes waq a real pain
[10:20] <Lutin> took 3 days to do it with mr_pouit, and we haven't even had alook at "L" :)
[10:20] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-important.html ought to work now
[10:22] <siretart> awesome
[10:23] <\sh> +kdevelop   4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1   4:3.4.0-1   #353415   important   4:3.4.0-1 is a false positive, or?
[10:23] <ajmitch> probably
[10:23] <ajmitch> I wasn't sure if I should include -XubuntuY versions or not
[10:24] <ajmitch> since there could be bugs there, or they may be fixed by us
[10:24] <\sh> 3.4.0-1 is just a new upstream release in debian...same as ours (it normally should be)
[10:25] <\sh> whereas z88k is quite interesting, we don't have s390 port afaik
[10:26] <ajmitch> you're right, I think I should make some way to add comments to the page
[10:26] <siretart> there are always false positives, luckily many of them are quite obvious
[10:26] <ajmitch> we've been talking about how useful it'd be to have comments on MoM - comments here could be good also
[10:27] <\sh> siretart: well, yes, I just stumbled upon z88dk because of unmet deps on amd64...and of course, I see source packages and when you have -doc packages which are depending on a binary, which hasn't been build on one arch, there are false positives ;)
[10:27] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice to have some unified system for organising the display of various items of data, with comments and the like.
[10:28] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's what I'd hope to do
[10:29] <ajmitch> probably try & reuse much of what there already is
[10:29] <\sh> grmpf...latest feisty kde is far away from stable
[10:30] <ajmitch> or write a new app, I was planning to do a trial project with zope 3 :)
[10:30] <Fujitsu> It'd be nice if it were reusable in things like the new MoM.
[10:30] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:30] <ajmitch> that should be easy if done right
[10:31] <ajmitch> very easy
[10:37] <siretart> are we now supposed to change the maintainer field in debian/control when merging packages?
[10:38] <Fujitsu> siretart, it looks like it.
[10:39] <Lutin> and what field should we use for the original maintaines ?
[10:39] <Lutin> maintainer*
[10:39] <siretart> Fujitsu: could you point me to the exact procedures? I'd like to do it right for the merge of aircrack-ng I'm doing right now
[10:43] <siretart> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField should be it
[10:44] <TheMuso> o
[10:44] <TheMuso> bah
[10:44] <Lutin> siretart: iirc the name of the field for the original maintainer has not been chosen yet
[10:46] <siretart> Lutin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField seems to be already valid, since the launchpad entry has status deployment
[10:47] <Lutin> siretart: don't know, I thought X-Original-Maintainer wouldn't be used accroding to geser
[10:47] <Lutin> weird
[10:51] <Lutin> siretart: btw, I wrote a small script that implements that policy, if it can have some utility
[10:54] <ajmitch> I guess I should do a zope2.9 SRU for edgy
[10:59] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't it be a better idea to have the maintainer clobbered to be the maintaining team, if one exists, and only use the general list as a last resort?
[10:59] <ajmitch> preferably
[11:00] <Lutin> that's not the way it works on binaries, would be inconsistent to apply a different policy to sources
[11:00] <Fujitsu> Ideally the binary-cloberring scripts would also do it.
[11:01] <Fujitsu> It makes very little sense if the maintainer of a package simply depends on its component. It really removes the usefulness of the maintainer field.
[11:02] <Lutin> in ubuntu theres a little notion of maintainer ,then I don't think it hurts much
[11:03] <Fujitsu> But science packages do have a vaguely more specific maintainer than just ubuntu-motu.
[11:03] <TheMuso> So let me get this right. For all merges from now on, we use ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:03] <Fujitsu> It seems that way.
[11:03] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Righto.
[11:03] <TheMuso> Makes sense really.
[11:15] <siretart> Lutin: oh, sounds great. care to add it to the 'devscripts' package?
[11:16] <Lutin> siretart: I don't think it's suitable for the package
[11:16] <Lutin> siretart: http://dunnewind.net/~lutin/resource/update-maintainer
[11:17] <siretart> Lutin: perhaps you could announce it on ubuntu-devel?
[11:17] <siretart> ubuntu-devel@lists.u.c
[11:17] <Lutin> siretart: I'd like to have confirmation it works, before that ;)
[11:17] <poningru> can I ask module compiling questions here?
[11:17] <Lutin> if you want to have a look at it, would be great
[11:19] <poningru> :(
[11:22] <Lutin> siretart: if you're ok with it and check if it is actually fully compliant with the policy, maybe I'll do it :)
[11:22] <TheMuso> Lutin: Why should having feisty in your source repos matter?
[11:23] <Lutin> TheMuso: in case the section changes (dunno why, but it could happen)
[11:24] <TheMuso> Yup, I'm with you.
[11:24] <Lutin> eg prog changes its license to gpl could lead to multiverse -> universe
[11:24] <TheMuso> yep
[11:24] <TheMuso> or main promotion
[11:24] <Lutin> yep
[11:24] <TheMuso> Well I just tested it on a package here and it worked.
[11:27] <Lutin> cool :)
[12:15] <TheMuso> c
[12:20] <siretart> ajmitch: FYI, I just filed a sync request for openvpn, and have just uploaded a merged xine-ui package
[03:26] <ScottK> If any MOTU are awake/available, I'm ready to declare victory and get out on bug #81799.  Please have a look and apply the patch if you think it's OK.
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799
[03:31] <visik7> no
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:57] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[03:58] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[03:58] <bddebian> How's courier? :-)
[03:58] <ScottK> bug #81799 - Updated the patch for LSB inits.  I think it's ready to apply...
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799
[03:59] <ScottK> Wanna give it a shot...
[04:01] <bddebian> If I can.  We have a vendor in the office today
[04:23] <pirast> hi, i have uploaded a package to revu, there are no "bad" comments anymore.
[04:23] <pirast> how can it make it to the archive?
[04:23] <bddebian> pirast: You need two Advocate comments.  What package?
[04:24] <pirast> bddebian, zatacka :-)
[04:24] <pirast> you already commented to it and i solved the issue..
[04:25] <bddebian> Let me look at it again but you will need another advocate before it gets uploaded to Ubuntu.
[04:27] <pirast> bddebian, okay.. great
[04:27] <pirast> i think that i will find someone :-)
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya geser
[04:39] <geser> Hi bddebian 
[04:41] <bddebian> pirast: Actually I lied, since it's not a NEW package it only needs 1 advocate.  But I never trust myself so I usually like to get someone else to look at it anyway.
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya tuxmaniac
[04:42] <tuxmaniac> bddebian> 
[04:42] <bddebian> geser: Hey if you get bored could you check out libticonv on REVU for me?
[04:42] <geser> \sh: hi, did the test build of latex-cjk-chinese-arphic succeed?
[04:43] <\sh> geser: fck..i didn't check give me 5...full stress mode
[04:43] <geser> \sh: no hurry
[04:44] <\sh> geser: worked
[04:44] <geser> how long did it take?
[04:44] <\sh> long...3 hours on a 2xdual core  16GB machine
[04:45] <\sh> amd64
[04:45] <azeem> w7
[04:45] <azeem> oops.
[04:45] <pirast> bddebian, allright :-)
[04:45] <geser> \sh: thanks
[04:46] <pirast> let's celebrate the "wow"!
[04:53] <pirast> just a joke ;-)
[05:29] <cbx33> hey guys
[05:29] <cbx33> I'm pacakging something up using python-central as it is a module
[06:03] <slytherin> dholbach: ping
[06:03] <dholbach> slytherin: pong
[06:03] <slytherin> dholbach: pm?
[06:03] <dholbach> sure
[06:33] <Riddell> siretart: how do I play mp3s with xine these days?
[06:33] <slytherin> Riddell: What do you mean by these days?
[06:34] <Riddell> thses 1.1.4 days with packaging moving around
[06:35] <slytherin> Riddell: I guess you will need to install libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:35] <slytherin> Riddell: But I think this should be handled automatically when you upgrade
[06:36] <Riddell> -ffmpeg doesn't seem to help
[06:36] <slytherin> Riddell: Can't help much as I use gstreamer backend most of the time.
[06:37] <Riddell> that's why I asked siretart :)
[06:37] <Zic_> Riddell: Oh, I'm happy to meet you here :) Can you answer me for this question please ? The Kubuntu-team work for inclued beryl/compiz in Kubuntu like Ubuntu, or not ? Because somebody told to me not (sorry for my poor english :))
[06:37] <Riddell> Zic_: like Ubuntu we will not be including compiz or berly by default in feisty
[06:38] <Riddell> we would plan to use kwin in KDE 4 when it comes out with fancy compositing fun
[06:38] <Zic_> Riddell: yeah, he told me about kwin in KDE 4
[06:38] <Zic_> but for Ubuntu/GNOME, nothing is planed ?
[06:38] <Riddell> Ubugtu: KDE 4 is a feature not a bug!
[06:38] <Zic_> huhu :)
[06:39] <Riddell> not as far as I know, you'd need to ask them
[06:40] <Zic_> Riddell: because in the launchpad, their is a feature named "composite-by-default" for propriary drivers ... But this features is link at compiz/beryl, isn'it ? Because in the web-link of this feauture, the wiki tell about inclusion of compiz/beryl into Ubuntu ...
[06:41] <Zic_> I see that It speak about Kubuntu too :>
[06:41] <Zic_> (Only NOT for Xubuntu & Edubuntu)
[06:41] <Zic_> so, I don't know at finally :)
[06:43] <azeem> W62
[06:43] <azeem> again!
[06:46] <siretart> Riddell: make sure you have the package 'libxine1-ffmpeg' installed
[06:46] <siretart> Riddell: yes, that the one which may not go near any pressed ubuntu-cd
[06:47] <Riddell> siretart: it doesn't seem to help
[06:47] <siretart> weird, could you perhaps paste the output of 'xine --verbose=3 myfile.mp3' somewhere?
[06:50] <Riddell> siretart: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3474/
[06:50] <Zic_> Riddell: The best is to wait the release of Feisty I think in fact :)
[06:51] <azeem> W62
[06:52] <siretart> Riddell: according to the debug output, you do not seem to have the package 'libxine1-ffmpeg' installed
[06:52] <Riddell> siretart: apt assures me that I do
[06:53] <Riddell> apt-cache policy libxine1-ffmpeg
[06:53] <Riddell> libxine1-ffmpeg:
[06:53] <Riddell>   Installed: 1.1.4-1ubuntu1
[06:53] <siretart> and what version of libxine1 do you have installed?
[06:53] <siretart> paste me please the output of 'dpkg -l libxine1\* '
[06:53] <Riddell> ah hah, I have 1.1.3
[06:54] <siretart> that's what I though
[06:54] <siretart> granted, the plugins should have tighter dependencies. that's a bug
[06:54] <siretart> if you have time to fight with dependencies, I've committed and pushed everything to bzr
[06:54] <siretart> if not, I'll see if I can look tomorrow into it
[06:54] <Riddell> ok, now I can speak Spanish with Shakira
[06:55] <Riddell> libxine1-ffmpeg depends on libxine1 (>= 1.1.3)
[06:55] <Riddell> that should be 1.1.4
[06:55] <Riddell> but we're frozen now so it won't get in until after herd2
[06:55] <Riddell> s/2/3/
[06:55] <siretart> we can still fix it in bzr at least ;)
[06:55] <ajmitch> morning
[06:56] <siretart> but that's a bit tricky to solve, since I don't want to bump shlibs.. hmm
[06:56] <siretart> anyway, need to drive home now. cu l8ter
[06:57] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[06:57] <zul> hey ajmitch
[06:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is the list at the same URL?
[06:57] <bddebian> Heya siretart, LaserJock, ajmitch, zul, Riddell, ..... ;-P
[06:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: hm?
[06:58] <Adri2000> heya everybody :)
[06:58] <ajmitch> I don't think it's moved
[06:58] <LaserJock> k, just wondered
[06:58] <ajmitch> just redoing it now
[06:58] <LaserJock> did you manage to get all of BTS?
[06:59] <ajmitch> sure
[07:01] <LaserJock> so you put grave and serious together into important?
[07:02] <LaserJock> or is that seperate
[07:02] <ajmitch> separate
[07:02] <ajmitch> grave+serious = rc
[07:02] <LaserJock> beautiful
[07:03] <ajmitch> so there's quite a few rc bug fixes that we want
[07:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:07] <bigon> Hi, could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4232. Debdiff can be find here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3475/
[07:08] <LaserJock> bigon: new upstream version?
[07:09] <bigon> LaserJock: no, some fixes to the package
[07:09] <LaserJock> oh, right ubuntu2
[07:10] <Burgwork> LaserJock: where are you going to send me?
[07:11] <LaserJock> Burgwork: to go have a heart-to-heart with Mark ;-)
[07:14] <Burgwork> right
[07:14] <Burgwork> about what, specifically?
[07:15] <LaserJock> I think opensourcing MoM
[07:15] <LaserJock> if I remember right
[07:15] <Burgwork> ah
[07:15] <Burgwork> seems like a laudable goal
[07:15] <LaserJock> we had a LP/MoM grip session last night ;-)
[07:16] <Burgwork> gripe, yes
[07:16] <LaserJock> sorry, yeah
[07:21] <ScottK> Quote of the day from ubuntu-users, "By the way: I keep hearing the term Edgy, what is that anyway."
[07:25] <Q-FUNK> a broken release?
[07:28] <ScottK> For some.  It's worked well for me.
[07:37] <cbx33> hi guys
[07:37] <cbx33> I have a pcakge that has 3 binaries built from it
[07:40] <cbx33> two require python-central
[07:41] <cbx33> how would I go about it?
[07:45] <welshbyte> cbx33: http://python-modules.alioth.debian.org/python-central_howto.txt that looks pretty helpful
[07:45] <welshbyte> couple more URLs down the bottom
[07:45] <cbx33> thanks
[07:47] <cbx33> yeh have looked at those
[07:54] <pochu> hey guys: do you know when we will have wxwidgets 2.8? it was released one month and half ago
[07:57] <crimsun> when Debian has it.
[07:58] <crimsun> Ron Lee's judgment on wxwidgets should be trusted.
[07:58] <ajmitch> even if his packaging is sometimes questioned :)
[07:59] <enyc> pochu: well seemingly debian etch has libwxgtk 2.6 ....
[07:59] <enyc> pochu: so... not likely in feisty
[07:59] <Amaranth> yay unstable freeze :P
[07:59] <pochu> :(
[07:59] <pochu> hehe
[08:03] <psusi> are postinst scripts kept on an installed system somewhere after packages have been installed?  or are they discarded after installation?
[08:04] <crimsun> /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst
[08:05] <LaserJock> ajmitch: got a sec for a php question?
[08:08] <ajmitch> a very short sec
[08:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: there's a php program here for scheduling
[08:08] <psusi> heh, just found 'em ;)
[08:09] <LaserJock> and they want it to work on 10 min. increments
[08:09] <LaserJock> but 10 min. is 1/6 of an hour and so it crashes because 10 min. = 0.166666666
[08:09] <ajmitch> pfft
[08:10] <ajmitch> that sounds like some stupid software
[08:10] <ajmitch> s/software/developer/
[08:11] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sourceforge project called ors
[08:12] <ajmitch> k
[08:12] <LaserJock> ajmitch: np, just wanted an experts opinion
[08:12] <LaserJock> it sounded a bit silly that it wouldn't work to me
[08:28] <lizardking__> Hello everybody
[08:29] <lizardking__> is there someone?
[08:29] <Burgwork> nope, never
[08:30] <lizardking__> Burgwork: ??
[08:30] <LaserJock> dead, completely dead
[08:31] <lizardking__> sigh :(
[08:31] <LaserJock> lizardking__: we're just teasing
[08:31] <lizardking__> LaserJock: I know ;)
[08:32] <LaserJock> me too
[08:32] <LaserJock> waaaay to little sleep
[08:32] <lizardking__> Someone have some information about Murrine Gtk2 Engines presence in Universe repository?
[08:33] <lizardking__> Daniel Holbach told me that there was a license problem. is it that right?
[08:33] <LaserJock> yeah, I think so
[08:33] <LaserJock> it got uploaded but was rejected by the archive admins
[08:34] <lizardking__> LaserJock: Do yu know the cause of that?
[08:34] <LaserJock> I would assume a license problem, that's usually what it is
[08:36] <lizardking__> LaserJock: Do you know how are this "archive admins"? Sorry for a lots of question, but I'm investigating on that. because I need it for my theme.
[08:37] <LaserJock> archive admins (ubuntu-archive team on launchpad.net) are the people that do a final review of a new source package
[08:37] <LaserJock> before it is accepted into the Ubuntu repositories
[08:37] <lizardking__> Great thanks man!
[08:38] <lizardking__> I will contact the admin one
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure if you want to do that exactly
[08:38] <LaserJock> let me dig for a sec
[08:38] <lizardking__> ok
[08:45] <lizardking__> LaserJock: now I'm leaving. See you later. but Why you are not sure that I can do that?
[08:47] <lizardking__> Mhh i read the AUTHORS file and it seems that the license is GPL. There is also the GPL text in COPYING. mhhh.. 
[08:52] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I think it was missing/incomplete license info on various files
[08:52] <ajmitch> since the package is derived from so many different places
[08:53] <nedko> hi
[08:53] <nedko> TheMuso: have you made any progress with jack_mixer ubuntu package?
[08:53] <TheMuso> nedko: No, as we have hit a snag regarding the fpconst module, and its packaging in Ubuntu and debian/.
[08:53] <TheMuso> This is still being resolved.
[08:54] <nedko> ah
[08:54] <nedko> okie
[08:54] <nedko> so that fpconst is packaged as part of other package?
[08:54] <nedko> i.e. it is not separate?
[08:54] <TheMuso> Fpconst is currently in python-soappy, and we are talking about how best to separate it out.
[08:55] <nedko> roger
[08:55] <bddebian> w00t, .desktop file got added to specimen upstream svn
[08:58] <neutrinomas1> Packages that have been removed from debian as "buggy, few users" (or similar) and are still in feisty : Should anything be done (considering that they will be autoremoved at some point, but not for feisty) or should removal be requested ? I have at least bug 34426 in mind ... 
[08:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34426 in ubuntu-artwork "Scrollbars should be more visible" [Wishlist,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34426
[08:59] <LaserJock> neutrinomas1: you can file a removal request
[09:00] <neutrinomas1> LaserJock: And subscribe -archive or let a motu do that ?
[09:02] <LaserJock> neutrinomas1: yeah, I think letting a motu do that would be best
[09:02] <neutrinomas1> LaserJock: Ok, thanks
[09:08] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[09:08] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:08] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[09:08] <ajmitch> hello sistpoty 
[09:08] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[09:08] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you're not MOTU already? surprising
[09:09] <ScottK> hi there sistpoty.
[09:09] <sistpoty> hi ScottK
[09:28] <slomo> crimsun: ping?
[09:28] <LaserJock> is there a TB today?
[09:28] <sistpoty> LaserJock: just going on
[09:28] <geser> LaserJock: yes, right now
[09:28] <LaserJock> late start?
[09:28] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock, geser and slomo btw.
[09:28] <slomo> hi sistpoty :)
[09:28] <sistpoty> LaserJock: still doing time with ubuntu-dev candidates... MC will follow.
[09:28] <ajmitch> hey LaserJock
[09:29] <ajmitch> seems like everyone's around today
[09:29] <ajmitch> hi slomo 
[09:29] <slomo> hi ajmitch 
[09:29] <LaserJock> TheMuso: have you gone already?
[09:29] <Adri2000> right now :)
[09:30] <LaserJock> ajmitch: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/Launchpad what do you think?
[09:30] <crimsun> slomo: pong, in a dissert. defense right now
[09:31] <sistpoty> LaserJock: did I mention that you totally rock! ;)
[09:31] <slomo> crimsun: i just had a question regarding the alsa stuff in the kernel ;) see http://pulseaudio.org/ticket/51 ... will this work for us with the kernel that ben uploaded today?
[09:31] <LaserJock> I thought he said dessert
[09:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: oh nice
[09:33] <geser> btw does somebody know what happened to lp karma?
[09:33] <ajmitch> geser: gah
[09:33] <sistpoty> crimsun: I'm just rewriting MOTU/SRU... do you think I should entirely replace the upload section (to -updates) and write that motu-sru will do that?
[09:33] <ajmitch> 09:32 -!- Topic for #launchpad: Karma dropped? See https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaAdjustmentsJan07 - Developer meeting: Thu 1 Feb 2007, 1200UTC
[09:33] <LaserJock> geser: it got "adjusted"
[09:33] <ajmitch>           (wiki:MeetingAgenda) |  launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
[09:34] <ajmitch> why is everyone asking about karma? I didn't realise people looked at it so often :)
[09:34] <sistpoty> my karma! who stole my karma? *g*
[09:34] <ajmitch> the ponies stole it!
[09:34] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:35] <LaserJock> well at least I can read the new karma
[09:35] <sistpoty> congrats TheMuso
[09:35] <ajmitch> it's not 8 or 9 digits long now
[09:35] <ajmitch> TheMuso: welcome
[09:35] <LaserJock> before I'd have to sit there counting decimal places
[09:35] <LaserJock> TheMuso: \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/
[09:35] <TheMuso> mdz hasn't given his +1 yet
[09:35] <ajmitch> TheMuso: now get to work!
[09:35] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yes he did
[09:36] <ajmitch> s/title/topic/
[09:37] <tepsipakki> honey I shrunk my karma..
[09:37] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Give me an hour to cheer myself horse, and then have some breakfast. :)
[09:37] <TheMuso> COngrats tepsipakki 
[09:37] <tepsipakki> TheMuso: thanks, to you too :)
[09:38] <TheMuso> tepsipakki: Thanks.
[09:39] <tepsipakki> now let's open the floodgates :)
[09:39] <tepsipakki> just kidding
[09:39] <ajmitch> heh
[09:39] <ajmitch> tepsipakki: got a queue of packages to upload?
[09:40] <tepsipakki> I have a bunch of VDR-related syncing to do, amongst others
[09:40] <tepsipakki> oh, gtkpod-aac is ready, yes
[09:40] <tepsipakki> but I'll look at those tomorrow
[09:42] <pirast> ajmitch, where is the beta LP?
[09:42] <tepsipakki> beta.launchpad.net
[09:42] <tepsipakki> pirast: ^
[09:42] <pirast> tepsipakki, thank
[09:42] <pirast> s
[09:43] <bddebian> There is a beta LP?  Damn I can NOT keep up :-(
[09:43] <pirast> This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the Launchpad Beta Testers  team only.
[09:43] <pirast> :-P
[09:43] <tepsipakki> oh
[09:44] <sistpoty> I just changed the SRU policy to what was discussed on -devel... please everyone check if it's sane now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[09:44] <pirast> ajmitch, is it great?
[09:44] <ajmitch> pirast: um, I only just looked at it
[09:44] <ajmitch> I'm not jumping for joy
[09:45] <geser> bddebian: I also heared about beta the last day or two but I know there is also staging.launchpad.net
[09:46] <geser> sistpoty: can you also fix the url on https://launchpad.net/~motu-sru ?
[09:46] <LaserJock> sistpoty: under "Prepare" can we give ~prop or ~proposed as a recommended versioning?
[09:46] <sistpoty> LaserJock: sure, can you make that change please?
[09:47] <sistpoty> geser: nope... I guess only dholbach can
[09:47] <dholbach> hu?
[09:47] <dholbach> beta.launchpad.net?
[09:47] <dholbach> no
[09:47] <dholbach> I have no permissions at all when it comes to that
[09:47] <sistpoty> dholbach: no, the url to the motu-sru policy from ~motu-sru in lp
[09:48] <dholbach> oh right
[09:48] <sistpoty> hi dholbach btw ;)
[09:48] <ajmitch> Adri2000: congrats
[09:48] <dholbach> done
[09:48] <dholbach> thanks
[09:48] <dholbach> heya sistpoty
[09:48] <dholbach> who will add the new MOTUs to the UWN?
[09:48] <sistpoty> congrats Adri2000
[09:49] <pirast> congrats Adri2000
[09:49] <pirast> and N8 ;-)
[09:49] <Adri2000> \o/ yay
[09:49] <geser> congrats Adri2000 
[09:49] <tepsipakki> c13s Adri2000!
[09:49] <bddebian> Did I miss another meeting too?
[09:50] <coNP> Adri2000: you are a MOTU now? 
[09:50] <LaserJock> it's going on right now
[09:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: it's still going
[09:50] <coNP> Adri2000: congrats :)
[09:50] <bddebian> Damn I suck
[09:50] <Adri2000> coNP: hehe, now yes :)
[09:50] <coNP> Adri2000: how many packages did it take? :)
[09:51] <Adri2000> https://launchpad.net/~adri2000/+packages :p
[09:52] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Congrats dude.
[09:53] <Adri2000> TheMuso: heh :) you too!
[09:53] <TheMuso> ah its bee done
[09:53] <LaserJock> sistpoty: added a little something, check it now
[09:53] <TheMuso> been
[09:53] <coNP> can you maintain packages, while you are not a MOTU, Adri2000?
[09:53] <LaserJock> yes
[09:53] <Adri2000> of course, you just need someone to upload it
[09:53] <bddebian> Oh no, Adri2000 is an MOTU now? :)
[09:54] <sistpoty> LaserJock: cool, thx
[09:54] <Adri2000> bddebian: yes, yes :
[09:55] <coNP> and how many time did it take you, Adri2000 to become a MOTU?
[09:55] <coNP> [ and sorry for asking stupid questions :) ] 
[09:56] <ajmitch> coNP: it'll change soon with the motu council
[09:57] <Adri2000> coNP: I uploaded about 5 packages during the second part of the edgy development, and then it's all for feisty
[09:57] <crimsun> slomo: no, those changes are not in -6.8
[09:59] <phanatic> coNP: i've been around for more than a year now, but i'm still not a MOTU (i know, i'm lazy :P)
[10:00] <geser> coNP: I became a MOTU in 4 months
[10:00] <coNP> okay, so it might be possible
[10:00] <coNP> (for others at least :))
[10:00] <sistpoty> hehe, I remember that I waited another 2 month or so, after I became a motu until I could upload *g*
[10:01] <LaserJock> oh yeah, well I ...
[10:01] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[10:01] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:01] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: You're late.
[10:01] <ajmitch> well, I became a MOTU on feb 8th, 2005
[10:02] <ajmitch> almost 2 years now with this crazy band
[10:02] <LaserJock> shesh, oldtimer
[10:02] <TheMuso> ajmitch: We're crazy? News to me.
[10:02] <TheMuso> haha
[10:03] <ajmitch> well yes
[10:03] <ajmitch> quite crazy
[10:04] <TheMuso> I'll take your word for it.
[10:04] <ajmitch> oh bother
[10:04] <ajmitch> just as the MOTU council topic comes up, it's about time for a meeting here at work
[10:07] <geser> bddebian: according to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+members since 2005-09-06
[10:08] <ajmitch> probably wrong
[10:08] <LaserJock> goodness, this could take a while
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty, TheMuso 
[10:10] <TheMuso> Well its another thing to add to the old CV.
[10:13] <ajmitch> back later
[10:13] <sistpoty> later ajmitch
[10:17] <LaserJock> 2 years seems like a long time
[10:17] <TheMuso> LaserJock: My thoughts exactly.
[10:18] <LaserJock> I haven't even been working with Ubuntu that long
[10:20] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I've been around the Ubuntu community since warty preview, but real life has meant I haven't been able to contribute as regularly as I'd like.
[10:20] <TheMuso> Hense me only getting MOTU now.
[10:21] <TheMuso> I would probably have been one of the first, had I had the time way back when.
[10:31] <TheMuso> whens uvf
[10:33] <Toadstool> TheMuso: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[10:33] <TheMuso> yeah I was just about to look at that
[10:33] <TheMuso> than
[10:33] <TheMuso> thanks
[10:36] <Adri2000> sistpoty: at http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=$myemail, nothing appears after "Now paste the text below, and enter EOT<return>" :-/
[10:37] <TheMuso> I'm glad I got through before the MOTU council.
[10:37] <TheMuso> For a bit, I thought I'd wait and help test it.
[10:37] <dholbach> hehe :)
[10:37] <TheMuso> It all sounds good, but I think I'd rather observe than be a guinipig.
[10:39] <sistpoty> Adri2000: damn... I'll take a look
[10:40] <ajmitch> dholbach: so what now? need TB approval for nominations?
[10:40] <LaserJock> so ...
[10:41] <dholbach> ajmitch: <sabdfl> let's agree on TB nomination, MOTU confirmation, and move on
[10:42] <ajmitch> ok, I misread a comment by mdz, that's ok :)
[10:43] <dholbach> so I'll update the spec, send it to the TB list, get approval and then we're set
[10:43] <LaserJock> so we need to have a MOTU confirmation vote?
[10:44] <TheMuso> Is there a wiki page containing tips re making uploading easier, and safer
[10:44] <TheMuso> ?
[10:44] <TheMuso> SO we don't upload things by accident for example?
[10:44] <LaserJock> it's the Wild Wild West out there :-)
[10:44] <Toadstool> TheMuso: don't upload anything, you'll be safe :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[10:44] <ajmitch> TheMuso: don't have 'ubuntu' as your default dput host
[10:45] <Hobbsee> Toadstool: if you're quick, you can ask the archive admins to remove it
[10:45] <ajmitch> or you could not sign anything until you really mean to upload
[10:45] <TheMuso> I'm wondering whether all this stuff for new MOTUs should be documented somewhere?
[10:45] <ajmitch> yep :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> feel free to document it :)
[10:46] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I might just do that when I feel comfortable about it.
[10:46] <TheMuso> I still don't trust myself. :)
[10:46] <TheMuso> For me at least, it really feels like a big responsibility.
[10:46] <Toadstool> the "new MOTU handbook" or "how to break things"?
[10:46] <TheMuso> I feel ready to take it on, but still a little hesitant.
[10:46] <sistpoty> Adri2000: you don't have a key in the keyring for $youremail
[10:46] <geser> TheMuso: that feeling goes away after a few uploads on you own
[10:47] <Q-FUNK> Hobbsee: what was it before?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> sistpoty: thanks for the account on revu, btw
[10:47] <TheMuso> geser: Thanks. Nice to know that someone has been through it. :)
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Q-FUNK: sorry?
[10:47] <Adri2000> sistpoty: adri2000 at gmail isn't in the keyring?
[10:47] <sistpoty> Hobbsee: ? /me is innocent ;)
[10:47] <sistpoty> Adri2000: doesn't appear so... I'll recheck
[10:47] <Q-FUNK> Hobbsee: which default haost
[10:48] <Hobbsee> ubuntu, usually
[10:48] <sistpoty> Adri2000: no, it's not... very strange
[10:48] <TheMuso> Revu admins. I have a query. When I started using revu, I was using themuso@themuso.com to sign my changelog entries and uploads. I have since changed to themuso@ubuntu.com, and a couple of times when I have tried to write comments on packages/etc that I uploaded, I couldn't. Does something need to be adjusted for me to use my themuso@ubuntu.com address for login?
[10:49] <ajmitch> TheMuso: yep
[10:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: add the address to your key
[10:49] <ajmitch> TheMuso: you can now be promoted to 'reviewer'
[10:49] <Hobbsee> that too
[10:49] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: It is on my key.
[10:49] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: and resent to the keyrings?
[10:49] <TheMuso> ajmitch: But what about using themuso@ubuntu.com for login
[10:49] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you can do the honours, I'm not logged into tiber right now :)
[10:49] <dholbach> i'll write up the mail and the spec tomorrow
[10:49] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it should be possible
[10:49] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Right,.
[10:49] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ok, I'll mess with the db a little bit ;)
[10:49] <dholbach> have a nice evening everybody
[10:49] <Hobbsee> bye dholbach!
[10:49] <TheMuso> dholbach: Bye, and thanks for your support.
[10:49] <ajmitch> bye daniel
[10:49] <LaserJock> cya dholbach 
[10:49] <Adri2000> sistpoty: uh, yeah strange, I've been in ubuntu-universe-contributors for some months, have even uploaded some packages, and haven't changed my email
[10:50] <sistpoty> cya dholbach
[10:50] <sistpoty> Adri2000: I'll take a look through the cron-log... in a few minutes
[10:50] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks for your support.
[10:50] <dholbach> thanks guys
[10:50] <Adri2000> sistpoty: ok, thanks
[10:50] <dholbach> TheMuso: you absolutely deserved it
[10:51] <dholbach> TheMuso: I'm looking forward to some more a11y action
[10:51] <ajmitch> may as well use the bts data I painstakingly rsynced
[10:51] <TheMuso> As that is my ultimate goal.
[10:52] <TheMuso> Anyways...
[10:52] <ajmitch> TheMuso: a worthy goal, it'd be great to see even better a11y support
[10:52] <ajmitch> hehe ok :)
[10:52] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Thats my intension.
[10:53] <bigon> Hi, could someone review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4232. Debdiff can be find here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3475/
[10:54] <Hobbsee> mmmm...breakfast...
[10:54] <ajmitch> mmmm, caffeine
[10:54] <ajmitch> time for me to get back to hacking
[10:55] <ajmitch> bigon: I didn't spot any obvious flaws, haven't built or done anything more than a debdiff check
[10:55] <ajmitch> maybe mjg59 doesn't want to remain as maintainer either :)
[10:56] <coNP> do you have still Thursday morning?
[10:56] <sistpoty> TheMuso: I've updated your email-address and revu-status... (actually I just hacked a little bit in the db, though better check if everything is sane)
[10:56] <bigon> ajmitch: ok
[10:59] <sistpoty> gpg: requesting key FBAB4323 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[10:59] <sistpoty> gpg: keyserver timed out
[10:59] <sistpoty> Adri2000: ^^
[10:59] <ajmitch> ooh
[11:00] <ajmitch> sistpoty: there haven't been too many problems with having revu-key in cron, I hope?
[11:00] <sistpoty> ajmitch: worked fine until today ;)
[11:00] <ajmitch> heh good :)
[11:04] <ScottK> Congratulations Adri2000 and TheMuso!
[11:04] <ajmitch> ScottK: don't forget tepsipakki 
[11:04] <ScottK> Oh. Congratulations too tepsipakki.  I didn't know there were three...
[11:10] <sistpoty> Adri2000: please try again to recover your password
[11:11] <geser> slomo: are there any plans to bring faad2 in sync with Debian?
[11:11] <Adri2000> sistpoty: works, thank you
[11:11] <sistpoty> Adri2000: now review a few packages please :P
[11:12] <Adri2000> heh, yes, that's why I wanted to recover my password :)
[11:12] <sistpoty> :)
[11:12] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Ok I'll give it a shot.
[11:12] <sistpoty> finally new motus again :)
[11:12] <bddebian> Who all got in?
[11:13] <ajmitch> fresh blood
[11:13] <TheMuso> themuso@ubuntu.com failed. I'll try recovering password to make sure I have that correct
[11:13] <bddebian> ajmitch: You beat me to it :)
[11:13] <ajmitch> and we should have a council to do stuff
[11:14] <sistpoty> anyone got a clue who will take care to get the MC approved by motu's now?
[11:14] <ajmitch> a call for objections on the mailing list?
[11:14] <TheMuso> ah different passwd
[11:14] <sistpoty> ajmitch: sounds sane... will write a mail?
[11:15] <sistpoty> ajmitch: will you write a mail even?
[11:15] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Looks good. Thanks.
[11:15] <sistpoty> TheMuso: np
[11:15] <tepsipakki> StevenK: thanks ;)
[11:15] <TheMuso> BTW has anybody considered doing something about the spam on motu-revierwers?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: what is this motu-reviewers?
[11:16] <tepsipakki> sheesh, kvm without hardware-support is slow.. winxp still installing after 1h20min
[11:16] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: A mailing list that gets emails about the activity on revu.
[11:16] <ajmitch> sistpoty: dholbach said he was writing something up
[11:16] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[11:16] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah, great
[11:16] <ajmitch> 10:48 < dholbach> i'll write up the mail and the spec tomorrow
[11:16] <TheMuso> I'm subscribed to it.
[11:16] <TheMuso> The traffic isn't too bad, once you get past all the bloody spam.
[11:16] <ajmitch> motu-reviewers is a list on tiber, iirc
[11:17] <sistpoty> TheMuso: I guess only siretart can do s.th.... since iirc the ml is routed via his private server
[11:17] <ajmitch> ah, not tiber?
[11:17] <sistpoty> ajmitch: imo it's not on tiber, but I may be wrong
[11:17] <TheMuso> sistpoty: I know.
[11:17] <TheMuso> I just get a lot of spam from it.
[11:17] <TheMuso> My spam trap gets most of it.
[11:17] <Adri2000> Hobbsee: u-u-s members don't receive any emails except if they subscribe to ubuntu-universe-sponsors@tauware.de, right?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> correct
[11:19] <Adri2000> ok, I've joined the team
[11:21] <ajmitch> approved
[11:22] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you want to kindly decline Ozgur Karatas?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: sorry?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: that's what i think.  we should make ajmitch review.
[11:23] <ajmitch> u-u-s proposed member, not in -dev
[11:23] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I feel sorry for the people packaging
[11:23] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I didn'
[11:23] <Hobbsee> ah.  yes.  he needs declining
[11:23] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I didn't say that at all.
[11:24] <TheMuso> Once I feel I have a handle on my own work, then I will start reviewing.
[11:24] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Nice to know there is someone else.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:25] <TheMuso> So...
[11:26] <ajmitch> I let people like bddebian review :)
[11:27] <TheMuso> What is all this crap about bddebian being the scapegoat?
[11:28] <ajmitch> nah, it's just that bddebian goes through all of REVU in the time it takes for me to look at 1 package
[11:28] <bddebian> ajmitch: Only because I'm not as good as you :-)
[11:28] <TheMuso> ajmitch: That could be because you like to be more thorough.
[11:29] <siretart> ajmitch: no, I've used my private mailman, since I've already done that on freiburg.tauware.de
[11:29] <Adri2000> TheMuso: did you get the email from LP saying you have been approved in ubuntu-dev?
[11:29] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Yup.
[11:30] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Yourself/
[11:30] <Adri2000> I'm approved in LP but didn't get the email
[11:30] <TheMuso> LP can be somewhat sluggish at times when it comes to emails.
[11:31] <ajmitch> TheMuso: if s/thorough/pedantic/
[11:31] <ajmitch> LP can be somewhat sluggish
[11:31] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Right.
[11:31] <ajmitch> I don't like waiting 15+ seconds for a page to load
[11:31] <TheMuso> ajmitch: If you don't like that, try doing it on a shaped connection, with a text mode browser.
[11:32] <TheMuso> Thats painful.
[11:32] <ajmitch> ouch
[11:36] <geser> bddebian: libticonv reviewed
[11:36] <bddebian> Uh oh :)
[11:36] <bddebian> Thx geser
[11:37] <ScottK> bddebian: Speaking of reviewing, how's my courier patch looking? Bug #81799
[11:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81799 in courier "Courier version courier_0.53.3-3ubuntu1 requires merge" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81799
[11:47] <bddebian> geser: You're killing me man :-)
[11:47] <bddebian> ScottK: I'll take a look when I get home
[11:47] <ScottK> OK.
[11:48] <ScottK> No rush, just that particular one is killing me.
[11:49] <bddebian> ScottK: Does the base Debian package get all those warnings?
[11:50] <ScottK> Yes
[11:50] <bddebian> So why are you fixing them? :-)
[11:51] <bddebian> Allright I gotta get home, I'll look in a while.  Later gang
[11:51] <sistpoty> later bddebian
[11:53] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: What is that error code?
[11:53] <TheMuso> What is it from?
[11:53] <ScottK> The answer, should anyone be around when bddebian comes back is because MOTUs told me to....
[12:04] <dallingham> Sorry for the stupid question, but what is the process for requesting a package upgrade for feisty?
[12:05] <TheMuso> dallingham: What package do you want upgraded?
[12:05] <dallingham> gramps.
[12:05] <dallingham> We just released the 2.2.6 version, and feisty is now at 2.2.3
[12:06] <TheMuso> Do you know off-hand what debian has?
[12:06] <dallingham> 2.2.6 should be in the repositories today.
[12:07] <TheMuso> Right. I'm having a look now.
[12:08] <TheMuso> Yep 2.2.6 is indeed in Debian.
[12:08] <TheMuso> It has been previously merged, and needs doing again.
[12:08] <dallingham> Is there anything I need to do?
[12:09] <TheMuso> dallingham: Nope.
[12:09] <dallingham> Okay. Thanks.
[12:09] <TheMuso> At least, not yet.
[12:09] <TheMuso> Or not likely I should say
[12:09] <dallingham> Let me know if there are any issues.
[12:09] <TheMuso> dallingham: I guess you are an upstream dev?
[12:09] <dallingham> Yes.
[12:09] <TheMuso> Ok will keep you posted.
[12:09] <dallingham> Thanks.
[12:10] <Toadstool> hrm... how often is ajmitch's missing-fixes-rc page updated?
[12:10] <TheMuso> Toadstool: You'd have to ask him.
[12:11] <Toadstool> ajmitch: ^ :)