[12:33] <drx0drx> i put them back, but the printout shows ` and not ' for the first, and the second one I can't find on the keyboard (angles the other way)
[12:37] <Jester45> how did you just type it then?
[12:37] <drx0drx> the open quote I can find, just not the closed one
[12:38] <drx0drx> the open quote ` with the regular closed quote ' also throw the error
[12:51] <megamaced> yeah, so hey Jester. how's it going? What brings you here?
[12:52] <Jester45> im all ways here
[12:52] <Jester45> !seen cellofellow
[12:52] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@geek-17.69-71-160-0.qwest.dsl.vcn.com) 1d 5h 54m 3s ago, quiting: Client Quit
[12:52] <Jester45> arrg
[12:52] <megamaced> LOL
[12:52] <megamaced> Did'nt know you ran xubuntu
[12:52] <Jester45> lol
[12:52] <Jester45> i do
[12:53] <Jester45> very much so
[12:53] <megamaced> as you main OS?
[12:53] <Jester45> xubuntu windows regualr debian and looking into suse
[12:53] <Jester45> pretty much
[12:53] <Jester45> windows for gaming so its 1/2 and 1/2
[12:54] <megamaced> So how come you choose Xubuntu over, say Ubuntu?
[12:54] <DarthLappy> Gah... Quod Libet still won't run >_<
[12:55] <Jester45> tis better
[12:55] <DarthLappy> Gets to Opening Audio Device and goes no further.
[12:56] <megamaced> It's better in certain situations I think
[12:56] <Jester45> megamaced: i got webserver :) its da bomb ------> jesteris.boldygoingnowhere.org
[12:57] <megamaced> Jester45: Thats running over Xubuntu right?
[12:57] <megamaced> Jester45: Getting 0wn3d by the amount of pop-ups you sight has
[12:58] <Jester45> yes its x
[12:59] <megamaced> I've got a problem with my Xubuntu settings manager: see the pic http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8796/xfcesettingsmanagerqg6.jpg
[12:59] <megamaced> The 'button label' text appears for some reason
[01:00] <Jester45> popups?
[01:00] <Jester45> what are you talking abouty
[01:00] <Jester45> megamaced: whats your verson
[01:04] <Jester45> megamaced: kaffine? thats nasty why u use that
[01:04] <megamaced> huh?
[01:05] <Jester45> your in #kaffine
[01:05] <Jester45> kaffeine
[01:05] <megamaced> Yeah, I was sorting out my remote control
[01:06] <megamaced> I can use it to change channels and view the epg :-)
[01:06] <Jester45> why not mplayer?
[01:06] <megamaced> Because TV is so much easier to set up in Kaffeine!
[01:07] <megamaced> Kaffeine is a pretty good app you know. Sure it has a tendancy to crash when you least want it but I can make do with that
[01:08] <Jester45> !schedule
[01:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[01:11] <maxamillion> !vlc > megamaced
[01:11] <Jester45> what herd is feisty 2? or has it moved on
[01:11] <maxamillion> Jester45: still 2 atm
[01:11] <Jester45> looks like its all most 3
[01:11] <megamaced> 2
[01:11] <maxamillion> megamaced: well ... ubotu was supposed to tell you about vlc ... anyhoo ... i recommend vlc for media
[01:12] <Jester45> i still recommend mplayer/menocder combo
[01:12] <megamaced> Yeah, I know about all of those, I've tried all of those, and Kaffeine & Amarok pwn them all :P
[01:12] <maxamillion> i don't do much media so don't listen to me
[01:13] <maxamillion> oooo, there is a gtk app that is newer that apparently dominates amarok ... wish i could think of it
[01:13] <grazie> exaile?
[01:13] <megamaced> maxamillion: it's called Exaile
[01:13] <maxamillion> sounds about right :)
[01:13] <megamaced> Yeah it's OK
[01:13] <Jester45> i think amarok is way better
[01:14] <megamaced> Still got a bit of catching up to do yet
[01:14] <maxamillion> oh ... i heard it was like the best thing to happen to linux music players yet
[01:14] <megamaced> But it's one to look out for in the future
[01:14] <megamaced> Not yet it isn't :-)
[01:14] <maxamillion> meh ... i still use xmms
[01:15] <megamaced> If I'd have to choose a GTK app then I'd go with Rythmbox for audio
[01:15] <megamaced> Banshee is too unstable I am afraid
[01:16] <megamaced> maxamillion: have you tried Beep?
[01:16] <maxamillion> megamaced: nope
[01:16] <grazie> i still like xmms, nice and simple. I wish I could get it to play aacplus streams though
[01:16] <megamaced> maxamillion: It's an updated GTK+2 version of XMMS
[01:16] <megamaced> maxamillion: So it's got nice menus
[01:16] <maxamillion> grazie: i'm not sure what aacplus streams are ... but have you heard of streamtuner?
[01:16] <maxamillion> megamaced: ooooh, yeah ... i've heard of that
[01:17] <megamaced> maxamillion: I run beep as the default music player on my Xubuntu installation
[01:17] <grazie> maxamillion: yes I use streamtuner...it's stream bookmark app really
[01:17] <maxamillion> grazie: oh ok .... again with the non-media centric me
[01:17] <maxamillion> :P
[01:17] <megamaced> Streamtuner is pretty good, although ive had trouble connecting to live365 with it recently
[01:19] <Jester45> www.x-kings.com <--- join me to conquer the world
[01:19] <dekker_avesque> installing Xubuntu right now
[01:19] <dekker_avesque> using liveCD to chat
[01:19] <maxamillion> yeah, it randomly stopped letting my listen to 1.fm channel X so i switch to 1.fm - High Voltage
[01:19] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: awesome! welcome to our world
[01:20] <dekker_avesque> i used to use Morphix with XFCE, moved to ubuntu with windows dual boot
[01:20] <dekker_avesque> then windows somehow raped my harddrive
[01:20] <dekker_avesque> and managed to screw up every partition
[01:20] <megamaced> that's pretty common
[01:20] <DarthLappy> Anyone good with screen?
[01:20] <dekker_avesque> so i damned microsoft once and for all
[01:20] <dekker_avesque> and downloaded the new Xubuntu, because i dislike Gnome at times
[01:20] <maxamillion> DarthLappy: i've dabbled, what's up?
[01:21] <DarthLappy> maxamillion: \o/ Backspace is set to ^H. Not fun for irssi.
[01:21] <dekker_avesque> i like *BOX, but i don't think it's practical currently
[01:21] <Jester45> dekker_avesque: good for you
[01:21] <dekker_avesque> was a bootleg Windows copy anyway
[01:21] <maxamillion> DarthLappy: oh yeah ... no clue, sorry :(
[01:21] <dekker_avesque> paying for microsoft products? :P
[01:21] <dekker_avesque> insanity
[01:21] <megamaced> lol
[01:22] <dekker_avesque> anyone used Ktoon?
[01:22] <DarthLappy> :(
[01:22] <maxamillion> there was a recent study and they say that 22-27% of all windows installations in the USA are bootlegged
[01:22] <dekker_avesque> that's great
[01:22] <Jester45> hehe
[01:22] <dekker_avesque> personally, OSX is the best commercial OS on the market
[01:22] <Jester45> mine be bootleg
[01:22] <dekker_avesque> if i were going to pay for an OS, it'd be taht
[01:22] <dekker_avesque> *that
[01:23] <dekker_avesque> but i don't think the most essential of softwares should cost money
[01:23] <grazie> bootleg - in China it must be aboutr 90%
[01:23] <dekker_avesque> hah
[01:24] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: personally? ... factually would have been a better word
[01:24] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: well ... atleast for the desktop, i would rather has a solaris server than a OS X server
[01:24] <dekker_avesque> agreed
[01:25] <dekker_avesque> i think NetBSD is a pretty ideal server setup
[01:25] <dekker_avesque> slackware's nice as well
[01:25] <dekker_avesque> i've played around with Darwin (-aqua) for servers
[01:25] <dekker_avesque> and it's pretty solid
[01:25] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: well ... NetBSD and slackware aren't commercial ;)
[01:25] <dekker_avesque> no real advantages to BSD that i was aware of, but nonetheless decent
[01:25] <grazie> i sent off for the free solaris 10 dvd, but it's not arrived yet
[01:26] <dekker_avesque> true
[01:26] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: i actually prefer just flat out debian for servers ... stability that can not be rivaled
[01:26] <dekker_avesque> nor is darwin for that matter unless it's packaged with aqua as osx
[01:26] <maxamillion> grazie: me too :)
[01:26] <dekker_avesque> this is true
[01:26] <maxamillion> grazie: i posted the link on ubuntuforums.org :P
[01:26] <dekker_avesque> slackware is just nice because it's so automated
[01:26] <dekker_avesque> installation was a pain
[01:27] <dekker_avesque> but once it's running it needn't be messed with usually
[01:27] <grazie> maxamillion: I may have seen it there - can't remember
[01:28] <maxamillion> grazie: i also posted here .... and in a couple other places, i'm a big fan of free *nix
[01:28] <maxamillion> grazie: well, in this case it just saves me from having to buy a DVD-R ... but stilll
[01:28] <dekker_avesque> has anyone tested wine with steam her?
[01:28] <dekker_avesque> *here
[01:28] <dekker_avesque> i've seen it done in screenshots
[01:29] <dekker_avesque> but never gotten it to work properly
[01:29] <dekker_avesque> never gotten WINE to work quiety "properly" at all for that matter
[01:29] <dekker_avesque> *quite
[01:29] <megamaced> dekker_avesque: have you tried Crossover instead?
[01:29] <grazie> one day the world will that M$ is third rate. I think it'll all happen in China myself
[01:29] <DarthLappy> dekker_avesque: It didn't work for me when I tried.
[01:29] <megamaced> dekker_avesque: theres a  free trial on their website
[01:30] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: yeah, i think the screenshots are edited with the GIMP, i have even tried with cedega and no go
[01:30] <megamaced> its good for about 30 days
[01:30] <dekker_avesque> Crossover?
[01:30] <dekker_avesque> unfamiliar with it
[01:30] <megamaced> Google 'Codeweavers Crossover'
[01:30] <dekker_avesque> ok
[01:31] <megamaced> As I said, the free trial is good for 30 days and ran almost all windows apps I threw at it
[01:32] <dekker_avesque> neat
[01:32] <dekker_avesque> there's some wine-based gaming app i've heard of
[01:32] <DarthLappy> Woot, well I fixed it by changing what Xterm sends :(
[01:32] <dekker_avesque> don't remember the name
[01:32] <dekker_avesque> but i believe it's geared towards things like Steam
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> hey, question: do you have sound in Flash on Xubuntu 6.10?
[01:33] <megamaced> dekker_avesque: are you refering to Cedega?
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> or does it require a workaround?
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> i might be, i don't remember
[01:33] <Jester45> how do you change the background of html? im a little rusty on this
[01:33] <megamaced> Yes I have sound in Flash 9
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> i know that on hoary hedgehog i had to replace the firefox DSP with AOSS
[01:33] <Jester45> i have sound
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> ... supposedly
[01:33] <dekker_avesque> and it still continued to not output sound
[01:34] <megamaced> What version of flash?
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> you didn't have to tweak it?
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> they must've fixed that
[01:34] <DarthLappy> Jester45: style="background: #<color> or url("foo.ext");"
[01:34] <megamaced> Flash  7 is a nightmare
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> 7 and 9
[01:34] <maxamillion> dekker_avesque: yeah, on 32-bit ... but gnash on amd64 is kinda tricky... its alpha so i don't get upset
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> tried both
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> that was with Hoary Hedgehog though
[01:34] <megamaced> All i did was copy the plugin to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[01:34] <megamaced> thats it. it worked
[01:34] <dekker_avesque> so it wouldn't surprise me that it'd be fixed by now
[01:34] <DarthLappy> I just installed flashplugin-nonfree :)
[01:35] <dekker_avesque> yeah, it must be fixed then
[01:35] <megamaced> Is flash 9 backported now then?
[01:35] <DarthLappy> !flash9
[01:35] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:35] <megamaced> I guess so then
[01:35] <megamaced> !backports
[01:35] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:35] <RememberPOL> I have flash9 installed
[01:35] <maxamillion> megamaced: yeah ... actually i think in edgy its in universe ...
[01:35] <maxamillion> !flash
[01:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:35] <RememberPOL> I did it manually
[01:36] <RememberPOL> 2 days ago
[01:36] <maxamillion> !info flash-plugin
[01:36] <ubotu> Package flash-plugin does not exist in any distro I know
[01:36] <megamaced> Have any of you tried Prevu? It's great for backporting
[01:36] <RememberPOL> Do you want to know how I installed flash?
[01:36] <maxamillion> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[01:36] <megamaced> basically it's a script that automates the backporting process for you
[01:36] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: Macromedia Flash Player. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6.0.79-0.2 (edgy), package size 685 kB, installed size 1528 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:36] <maxamillion> well that doesn't tell much
[01:37] <RememberPOL> maxamillion: Look
[01:37] <RememberPOL> (05:03:34 PM) RememberPOL: Sweet I solved my issue (of FLV video not playing in Xubuntu 6.10 due to outdated ffmpeg [fixed in fiesty-7.04, not being backported because ffmpeg breaks api/abi] ) by downloading http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/9/flash_player_9_linux_dev.tar.gz then extracting libflashplayer.so and flashplayer.xpt from /flash_player_9_linux_dev/plugin/debugger/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz/insta
[01:37] <RememberPOL> it's not too hard
[01:38] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: yeah, but its in the repositories ... i just installed the plugin and it was flash 9 in edgy (on my 32-bit laptop from work) ... i run amd64 at both my desk at work and my home desktop
[01:38] <RememberPOL> oh cool
[01:38] <RememberPOL> it wasn't in the repo 3 days ago..
[01:38] <maxamillion> gnash is kinda cruddy though
[01:38] <RememberPOL> heh
[01:38] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: i think it was ... i installed it 2 weeks ago
[01:38] <megamaced> gnash doesn't support flash 9 content
[01:38] <RememberPOL> what is gnash?
[01:39] <maxamillion> !gnash
[01:39] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[01:39] <RememberPOL> oh
[01:39] <maxamillion> :)
[01:39] <dekker_avesque> well my system is ready to reboot
[01:39] <RememberPOL> are you talking about gnash v9?
[01:39] <dekker_avesque> you've all been very entertaining
[01:39] <RememberPOL> i'm talking about a mozilla/firefox adobe v9 flash
[01:39] <dekker_avesque> i'm sure you'll see me again when i can't get the ntfs-3 to compile
[01:39] <dekker_avesque> :)
[01:39] <dekker_avesque> lol
[01:40] <maxamillion> you know ... maybe i enabled backports and didn't realize it, that's probably how i got flash 9 on that laptop
[01:40] <megamaced> !opera
[01:40] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:40] <Jester45> http://jesteris.boldlygoingnowhere.org/
[01:40] <RememberPOL> !backports
[01:40] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[01:40] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: no no ... gnash still only has flash7 compatibility (to my knowledge) ... i think i just added backports and forgot
[01:40] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: i don't even know how we got on the topic of flash to be honest
[01:41] <RememberPOL> flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.31~ubuntu1~edgy1) [multiverse] 
[01:41] <maxamillion> well there you go
[01:41] <RememberPOL> heh
[01:41] <maxamillion> wahoo!!!! i get off work in 15 minutes!!!
[01:41] <RememberPOL> i dunno i had that installed but i could have sworn it was still only v7 but w/e
[01:42] <maxamillion> RememberPOL: i have heard of issues during the upgrade ... i think it was kinda a hit or miss
[01:44] <RememberPOL> well like i said.. doing it manually is not hard at all so if anyone has questions on that they can pm me
[01:44] <maxamillion> cool cool, i'll send 'em your way if they stumble in :)
[01:44] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[01:45] <maxamillion> ?
[01:45] <DarthLappy> It won't run!
[01:45] <maxamillion> what is it?
[01:45] <DarthLappy> A music player.
[01:46] <maxamillion> ah
[01:47] <DarthLappy> Ya. I don't really like gxine :)
[01:47] <maxamillion> if it weren't for Flash and Java i would buy a PowerMac Dual G5 as my next desktop ... :/
[01:47] <maxamillion> </random comment>
[01:47] <DarthLappy> How do they stop you? O_o
[01:49] <maxamillion> well ... first, i can't afford it and second ... http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=edgy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=sun-java&searchon=names .... and .... http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=flash&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[01:49] <maxamillion> DarthLappy: no flash or java support for ppc :(
[01:49] <grazie> maxamillion: ...and some ear muffs!
[01:49] <DarthLappy> D:
[01:50] <DarthLappy> O_o Quod Libet *finally* opened.
[01:50] <maxamillion> i dunno .... my AMD64 machines have been good to me, i guess i will just keep with them ... might even take the jump to intel unless AMD gets its act together and starts helping out the open source community
[01:50] <DarthLappy> But it looks frozen >_<
[01:50] <maxamillion> i sorry
[01:58] <DarthLappy> Aha, it seems like it only hates me when the samba mountpoint where all the music is isn't mounted.
[02:11] <alex_> why do i get "Unable to mount 'foo' failed to determine the mount point for /dev/hdc'" when i ask xfce to mount the disc in the drive? there's an entry in /etc/fstab for the drive.. a manual mount via bash works
[02:11] <alex_> (debian unstable for years - ubuntu for 5 mins)
[02:14] <alex_> ah, ok, xubuntu made assumptions and added udf,iso9660 to my fstab... replacing with auto fixed it
[02:16] <alex_> was that a common question and noone was interested or is xubuntu not actively maintained?
[02:18] <alex_> hugely confidence inspiring :)
[02:20] <somerville32> doh
[02:21] <DarthLappy> D:
[02:33] <AnythingJ> I am having a bit of trouble getting my Bekin wireless card to work.  All of the online howto's I have found says this card should work out of the box, and I should just be able see the card in system -> Network Settings... but it is not there... could that be because I did install xubuntu with the wireless card in? I just recently purchased the card?  though the howto was directed towards ubuntu users, not xubuntu
[02:34] <somerville32> AnythingJ, I'm not quite sure.
[02:34] <somerville32> You might wait for Maxamillion to show up. He has tons of experience with Wireless.
[02:34] <somerville32> Did you see the wireless docs in !wireless ?
[02:35] <AnythingJ>  !wireless?
[02:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireless? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <somerville32> !wireles
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireles - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <somerville32> lol
[02:38] <somerville32> !wireless
[02:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:38] <AnythingJ> ya... all of the docs start with already having the wireless card show up in Network settings
[02:38] <AnythingJ> which my card currently is not doing
[02:39] <somerville32> Hmm..
[02:40] <AnythingJ> when I was using ndiswrapper I could use ndiswrapper to tell me when the card was plugged in or when it wasn't, so I don't think the port is bad or anything like that
[02:40] <AnythingJ> is there any way to run the internet configure again that runs when xubuntu installs?
[02:44] <AnythingJ> ya... to ath0 device
[02:44] <AnythingJ> no ath0 device*
[02:44] <calamari> hi
[02:45] <calamari> booted off the live/install cd and there were no panels (had to start xfce4-panel from a terminal), is this normal?
[02:46] <DarthLappy> Shouldn't think so.
[02:46] <calamari> yeah.. was weird that's why I'm asking :)
[02:46] <calamari> this is an old computer.. maybe something is failing
[02:47] <AnythingJ> I'm not sure what would cause that... you could try running a memtest... at least to eliminate you memory being bad from the possible issues
[02:48] <calamari> yeah
[02:49] <calamari> decided to try it once more and just try to install this time.. if it crashes again, then that's a good test to run
[02:49] <AnythingJ> has it done the panel thing more than once? you should try booting it up a second time if you haven't
[02:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Panels occasionally disappearing is a fairly common issue.  I wouldn't worry about it.
[02:49] <calamari> it takes about 15-20 mins to get booted up hehe
[02:49] <DarthLappy> You shoulda got the alternate CD :P
[02:50] <calamari> does it come with more packages?
[02:50] <AnythingJ> this is true... if your goal is to install xubuntu, the alternative cd would be good for you... I did an entirely text based install on the 500Mhz lappy I am chatting from using the alternative cd
[02:50] <DarthLappy> Not that I'm aware of. It just has a text-based installer which can be much easier than waiting for the LiveCD to boot.
[02:50] <AnythingJ> worked well... no 15-20min boot
[02:50] <calamari> oic
[02:51] <DarthLappy> I did the Alternate Install on all 3 of my Xubuntu computers :)
[02:54] <calamari> aha.. saw the panels for a sec then they blinked off.. oh well, installing anyways :)
[02:55] <DrX0> how do you run fsck manually to repair a corrupt superblock?
[02:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> DrX0: If you do shutdown -F, it'll force fsck to run on reboot.
[02:58] <DrX0> I'm in some mode that says it ignores shutdown, I can only do a Ctrl-D shutdown
[02:58] <calamari> afk
[03:00] <AnythingJ> oh man heroes is on tv
[03:00] <AnythingJ> gotta run
[03:02] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, it looks like it's shutting down, but it doesn't run the fsck and it comes right back to the login prompt
[03:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> DrX0: I'd run it from a livecd, then.
[03:12] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, and then what?
[03:14] <DrX0> I was able to run fsck, but it didn't fix anything.
[03:18] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, also fsck reports trouble on a volume that my Linux was never on (it got created AFTER Linux was running)
[03:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You'd need to tell it to repair it instead of just diagnosing it.
[03:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> For e2fsck, I think it's the -p option.
[03:20] <linux__> anyone know how to make services, such as proftpd, which are already startable by /etc/init.d/proftpd start start automatically
[03:21] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, I'm using Reiser, is that safe?
[03:22] <linux__> i think any journaling formatting is safe
[03:22] <linux__> ext2 is best for performance because it doesn't journal
[03:24] <DrX0> yeah, it says that's for ext2
[03:25] <linux__> DrX0, do you know how to auto-start services on xubuntu?
[03:26] <DrX0> no
[03:26] <linux__> no harm asking :)
[03:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> For reiserfs, reiserfsck --rebuild-sb rebuilds the superblock.
[03:30] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, so reiserfsck --rebuild-sb /dev/sda
[03:31] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah.  Check the man page to make sure that's the best option, though.
[03:31] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, it didn't give me an error, but it didn't say much either
[03:32] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, it ran, but I'm still down, no gui, maintenance mode only
[03:34] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You didn't run that on a mounted drive, did you?
[03:36] <DrX0> PuMpErNiCkLe, I think it fails if the drive is mounted, anyway, I'm no worse off but my system is hosed.
[03:36] <spasticteapot> Hello!
[03:37] <linux__> hey spasticteapot
[03:37] <linux__> how are you doing today?
[03:37] <spasticteapot> I'm currently in a bit of a pickle - I need to get a computer with a wireless card to share internet with a bunch of other windows and linux machines over a wired network.
[03:37] <spasticteapot> Linux_: Incompetent as ever.
[03:37] <DrX0> Does this thing have a repair mode or do I need to reinstall Linux and start over?
[03:37] <spasticteapot> Linux_: I tried Zenwalk. Liked the speed, did not like how it was incompatible with everything.
[03:38] <spasticteapot> Why is Xubuntu so @#$@#$@ slow? I've got a 1ghz Pentium-M! (1.5ghz P4 equivalent. Mostly.)
[03:38] <spasticteapot> Perhaps it's a RAM issue? 512mb should be enough for Firefox and Abiword.
[03:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> DrX0: It wouldn't necessarily fail.  It should definitely warn, though.
[03:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What output did it give?
[03:38] <DarthLappy> It's not slow for me and I'm on a 850MHz P3 with 256mb RAM
[03:38] <linux__> use the dillo browser
[03:39] <linux__> it will increase your overall speed when using it
[03:39] <DarthLappy> Hee hee, dillo <3
[03:39] <spasticteapot> Anyways, I'm working for a non-profit student group...and I need to get the confounded thing to share internet.
[03:39] <spasticteapot> Linux_: Tabs or death!
[03:39] <spasticteapot> I think it's a RAM issue.
[03:39] <DrX0> fsck failed for at least one file system (but it's not the one with Linux on it)
[03:39] <spasticteapot> That, or the battery manager is hoovering up my RAM. I'm using a version that's a few weeks old - I need to download a new ISO.
[03:40] <spasticteapot> Or would I gain the same benifits by updating?
[03:40] <spasticteapot> Sorry for the dumb questions...I'm starting to lose my mind.
[03:40] <spasticteapot> Linux_: Help? Please?
[03:41] <linux__> which issue you need help on, xubuntu going too slow or sharing internet
[03:42] <spasticteapot> Help sharing internet is the big one.
[03:42] <spasticteapot> I'd also like to use it as a file server.
[03:42] <linux__> ok, you need a proxy if you want to share the internet
[03:42] <spasticteapot> In other words, generic Linux computer uses. (At least I'm not asking for much.)
[03:42] <linux__> or give everyone an SSH
[03:42] <spasticteapot> Durr.....
[03:43] <spasticteapot> How do I do that?
[03:43] <linux__> i would use tinyproxy, its the easiest program to setup to share internet
[03:43] <linux__> sudo apt-get install tinyproxy
[03:43] <spasticteapot> Neato.
[03:43] <linux__> yep, i can put my config file on my website so you can take a look at it if you want
[03:44] <linux__> https://portunknown.servehttp.com:445/tinyproxy.conf.txt
[03:45] <spasticteapot> Could'nt find tinyproxy.
[03:45] <linux__> let me take a look, one min
[03:45] <spasticteapot> Where do I find the sources list, again?
[03:45] <linux__> its there in the apt-get
[03:45] <linux__> make sure you enable universal packages
[03:45] <spasticteapot> Where's the sources list?
[03:46] <linux__> sudo nano /etc/sources.list i think
[03:46] <linux__> that will let you edit it, press ctrl+O to save and ctrl+x to exit
[03:46] <DrX0> I'll probably reinstall the entire system, that's okay.  But, one question for the group:  if I care about reliability and speedy automated recovery more than speed, more than anything else, should I use ext2, ext3 or Reiser?
[03:47] <linux__> not ext2, either ext3 or reiser, more programs support recovering data from ext2 or resier, so reiser
[03:47] <linux__> and it journals too
[03:48] <spasticteapot> Tinyproxy not found.
[03:48] <linux__> sorry, the sources.list was found /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:48] <linux__> let me see if i can find a .deb you can download
[03:48] <spasticteapot> Yah...I remembered.
[03:48] <DrX0> some people say the repair tools aren't as good, is that true?
[03:48] <linux__> haven't gotten one to work
[03:48] <DrX0> (I mean, I'm not a big fan of them right now, that's for sure)
[03:48] <spasticteapot> As a side note, can anyone reccomend a trick to decrease RAM usage?
[03:48] <spasticteapot> I'm looking at almost 300mb with nothing other than a terminal running.
[03:49] <spasticteapot> Something's feeshy.
[03:49] <spasticteapot> Should I just download the latest ISO?
[03:49] <linux__> http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/ServerGuide for install instructions on tinyproxy
[03:49] <linux__> i thik you need to enable universe packages to find it using sudo apt-get install command
[03:49] <spasticteapot> I did.
[03:50] <linux__> tinyproxy is on SF.net
[03:50] <spasticteapot> Is there a difference between the latest version of the Ubuntu ISO and any version of Edgy Eft if all packages are updated?
[03:50] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[03:50] <spasticteapot> Aah...apt-get update.
[03:50] <linux__> lol
[03:50] <linux__> yep
[03:50] <linux__> sudo apt-get update
[03:50] <linux__> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:50] <spasticteapot> Lets' hope it will connect.
[03:51] <linux__> why isn't there a website to download all the .deb found in apt-get?
[03:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> There is - archive.ubuntu.com.  There's also packages.ubuntu.com, if you want package descriptions and dependency lists.
[03:52] <linux__> thanks pumpernickle
[03:52] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The ISO hasn't been updated since release.
[03:52] <spasticteapot> Yay - it's installing!
[03:52] <spasticteapot> Huh.
[03:53] <spasticteapot> Well, I'll install it then.
[03:53] <linux__> awesome
[03:53] <linux__> its sweet software, easy to use, easier than squid
[03:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You can get daily ISOs of Feisty, but that's only just hit freeze, so it's still not exactly stable.
[03:53] <linux__> here is my config file for it if you need it:
[03:53] <linux__> https://portunknown.servehttp.com:445/tinyproxy.conf.txt
[03:53] <spasticteapot> Linux_: You have reached the level of "1337 dud3".
[03:53] <spasticteapot> Much thanks.
[03:53] <linux__> np, anytime
[03:54] <spasticteapot> You're going to regret saying that.
[03:54] <linux__> lol
[03:54] <linux__> anytime means anytime im online lol
[03:54] <spasticteapot> I have a vast capacity for screwing up.
[03:54] <linux__> same here
[03:54] <spasticteapot> :)
[03:54] <linux__> always will have problems, its what keeps my knowledge growing
[03:54] <spasticteapot> I wonder if the PCM270x usb soundcard chipset is supported under Linux?
[03:55] <spasticteapot> Totally unrelated, but it's a really, really cheap ($5 for the better version; $3 for the iffy version with I2S output that lets you use any top-end DAC you like) option for USB audio.
[03:55] <spasticteapot> Well, I think I just set the record for most supid and obscure question.
[03:57] <DrX0> does LInux have a last known good configuration like windows?
[03:57] <spasticteapot> I wish.
[03:57] <spasticteapot> I once managed to disable X windows...
[04:01] <DrX0> how do I repair a hosed superblock, reinstall?
[04:01] <DrX0> (reiserfsck --rebuild-sb didn't work)
[04:02] <spasticteapot> No idea.
[04:02] <spasticteapot> Check out #linux - that's not really Xubuntu-specific.
[04:26] <Prisoner_> hello
[04:26] <Prisoner_> what's going on?
[04:27] <DarthLappy> What is going on?
[04:27] <Prisoner_> just thought I'd drop in
[04:28] <Prisoner_> Tomorrow could be a good day for LInux, since that is when Vista is being released
[04:29] <Commander-Crowe> ah
[04:29] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[04:29] <spasticteapot> All of the shiny, none of the securty.
[04:30] <spasticteapot> I get a similar GUI on 1/3 the hardware - woot!
[04:30] <Prisoner_> I've been playing with some Linux distros
[04:30] <Prisoner_> plan to play with some more and dual boot my PC with the idea I might wean myself off on WIndoze
[04:30] <spasticteapot> Heh.
[04:30] <spasticteapot> Two words: Cold Turkey.
[04:31] <Prisoner_> in Best Buy's flyer yesterday, they were advertising a Bill Gates Special Edition of Vista
[04:31] <spasticteapot> Having your windows install go to heck (AAH! ANOTHER CRASH!) and then not having a restore CD helps.
[04:31] <Prisoner_> not sure if that will work for me just yet
[04:31] <spasticteapot> Also, get an Nvidia graphics card or use intel integrated.
[04:31] <Prisoner_> My main machine has an Nvidia card in it already, 128mb
[04:32] <Prisoner_> this one has an ATI Radeon VE in it
[04:35] <linux__> anyone know the command to delete an account via terminal?
[04:35] <Prisoner_> so tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, will try Vector Linux next I think
[04:35] <linux__> i know sudo adduser <user> is how you add users
[04:36] <spasticteapot> Prisoner_: any thoughts?
[04:36] <spasticteapot> Vector is looking nice - Ubuntu is a RAMhog.
[04:36] <linux__> what is vector's forte?
[04:37] <spasticteapot> 300mb with just XFCE, terminal, and a battery monitor.
[04:37] <Prisoner_> I like the Xubuntu XFCE desktop
[04:37] <linux__> wow, does it have apt-get?
[04:37] <linux__> is it debian based?
[04:37] <Prisoner_> Vector is slackware based I think
[04:38] <Prisoner_> It also comes with the XFCE Desktop
[04:38] <Prisoner_> it comes with alot of stuff to run right out of the box
[04:38] <linux__> slaxware needs to be compatible with .deb or .rpm
[04:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> linux__: userdel
[04:38] <linux__> otherwise it'll never be mailstream, thanks Pumpernickle
[04:39] <spasticteapot> Zenwalk is kinda annoying - fast, but it won't work with anything.
[04:39] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> spasticteapot: Arch may work for you, as well.
[04:40] <spasticteapot> I think I'll just stick with Ubuntu and upgrade my RAM.
[04:40] <spasticteapot> Arch?
[04:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Decent package manager, minimal extra stuff, i686 optimized.
[04:40] <spasticteapot> Is that Debian or Slackware based?
[04:40] <spasticteapot> Cool.
[04:40] <linux__> my xubuntu is running fine on 150 mb
[04:40] <spasticteapot> Looks like I need another partition.
[04:40] <Prisoner_> is there a program that can allow Xubuntu to read NTFS partitions?
[04:40] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Neither, it's its own thing.
[04:40] <linux__> Prisoner_, i thought Xubuntu could already read NTFS
[04:40] <linux__> it was writing to it that was the problem
[04:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Prisoner_: The ntfs-3g fuse driver goes read/write for NTFS.
[04:41] <Prisoner_> ok
[04:41] <Prisoner_> sorry for the dumb question, working in Linux is new to me
[04:41] <pbx> So I just got a "disk full" warning while trying to start up Chandler.  What's the easiest way to generate a hitlist of big files/directories? (And what tends to get big on a non-server install? I've only got 20G but last I looked I had plenty left...)
[04:42] <Prisoner_> http://www.vectorlinux.com
[04:42] <linux__> anyone have an emule link for vectorlinux?
[04:42] <Prisoner_> I plan to run a dualboot with Windows XP and may want to access files on the NTFS partitions
[04:43] <linux__> Prisoner_, use Fat32 for your windows partition
[04:44] <Prisoner_> too late, it's already been formatted
[04:46] <pbx> Crazy. Now I can't log in!  (Just keep kicking back to the login screen.)  Luckily this is a play box but... any advice for me?  Logging in via failsafe terminal...
[04:46] <linux__> anyone know why apt-get doesn't use torrent technology yet?
[04:46] <pbx> ... no dice.
[04:46] <linux__> xubuntu and ubuntu have unstable login GUIs
[04:47] <pbx> linux__: Any practical advice stemming from that?
[04:47] <linux__> whenever your system crashes, you lose the cool GUI to login and it defaults to the old Deiban login GUI
[04:47] <linux__> yeah, login using the old Deiban login GUI
[04:47] <Prisoner_> really
[04:47] <linux__> then unset the option to use the cool GUI once inside xubuntu
[04:47] <pbx> linux__: Not sure what you mean. How do I "login using the old Debian login GUI"?
[04:48] <linux__> its the startup login / password place you need to change when you first bootup into xubuntu
[04:48] <linux__> let me see
[04:48] <pbx> Are you talking about sessions?
[04:48] <linux__> yeah
[04:48] <linux__> thats it
[04:48] <linux__> thanks
[04:48] <linux__> don't have all the terminology down yet
[04:49] <pbx> Only five options there: last/xfce/default/failsafe gnome/failsafe terminal.  All kick me back to the login screen.  Off to single-user mode I guess...
[04:50] <linux__> did you enable root before modifying anything?
[04:50] <linux__> so you have it as a backup account
[04:50] <spasticteapot> Anyone have any speed-enhancing tips for Xubuntu?
[04:50] <spasticteapot> I'm trying a fresh install.
[04:51] <pbx> linux__: I don't believe I enabled root. My fallback it to wipe the machine completely, it's just my play laptop.
[04:51] <Prisoner_> think I found another answer to my question, http://www.linux-ntfs.org
[05:02] <pbx> So the short answer to my full-disk problem was rm -rf /var/cache/*
[05:04] <linux__> maybe empty your temp folder
[05:04] <linux__> sudo rm -R /tmp/*
[05:04] <linux__> sudo rm /tmp/*
[05:11] <pbx> Yeah, for some reason very little in /tmp
[05:15] <Prisoner_> don't want to write to ntfs, just read from it
[05:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's provided by the default driver.
[05:18] <Prisoner_> ok
[05:19] <Prisoner_> in other words, it is installed with it?
[05:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yup.
[05:20] <Prisoner_> cool, my dual boot project just might work when I decide which distro I want to sue
[05:20] <Prisoner_> use
[05:23] <somerville32> Prisoner_, Xubuntu rocks :)
[05:23] <Prisoner_> I agree so far it does
[05:24] <Prisoner_> it actually runs OK on an ancient 400mhz machine
[05:24] <Prisoner_> I'm playing with various distros and am going to dualboot one with my windoze PC
[05:24] <Prisoner_> which is 1.583ghz
[05:25] <Prisoner_> 512mb RAM, 128mb Nvidia
[05:25] <Prisoner_> video card
[05:25] <somerville32> :)
[05:25] <DarthLappy> That's very close to my Xubuntu desktop specs :)
[05:26] <Prisoner_> I read a good review of Vector Linux online today and am thinking of trying that as well, it's based on Slackware
[05:26] <Prisoner_> if it runs OK on a 400, it'll run really well on the faster machine I would think
[05:27] <Prisoner_> getting late here, need to get going
[05:27] <Prisoner_> work tomorrow
[05:28] <Prisoner_> bye all
[08:52] <squirrelpimp> hi
[08:52] <squirrelpimp> how can i launch gdialog or zenity from "at"?
[08:53] <squirrelpimp> or run x11 apps from at
[08:53] <squirrelpimp> ?
[10:40] <Iphigenia> Hi! Does anybody know if I can type Ancient Greek using Abiword?
[12:29] <ForgeAus> hey
[12:29] <ForgeAus> lol nice nickname :)
[12:29] <ForgeAus> ForgusMedius here :) rofl
[12:29] <kentismaximus> i need help with setting up a usb isdn modem, can anyone help me?
[12:29] <ForgeAus> um I'm unlikely to be able to
[12:30] <kentismaximus> haha ok
[12:30] <ForgeAus> but I guess you need to mount the usb device
[12:30] <ForgeAus> at some point
[12:30] <ForgeAus> as to how to use it as a modem from there...
[12:30] <ForgeAus> I have no idea
[12:31] <ForgeAus> I havn't tried USB under linux yet
[12:32] <kentismaximus> hmmm, well i have recompiled the kernel with usb, isdn and ppp support, and it seems to detect the modems presence, but i dont know what to do from there...
[12:33] <ForgeAus> what do you mean it seems to detect its presence? what makes you say that , does it do something differently than normal?
[12:33] <ForgeAus> or does the device do something?
[12:34] <ForgeAus> or is there a new icon on the screen?
[12:34] <kentismaximus> output of lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ...  AVM GmbH ISDN-Connecor TA
[01:54] <cochon> does anyone know a way to stick a button on the desktop that, when clicked, executes a preordained shell script?
[01:55] <cochon> I started looking around but I@m not sure what I'm looking for
[02:04] <grazie> cochon: why not put your shell script in your ~/Desktop folder?
[02:05] <cochon> I don't have one
[02:05] <cochon> very minimal install
[02:05] <cochon> ie server install with x and openbox so far
[02:11] <TheSheep> cochon: in xfce you can put a launcher on the panel
[02:12] <TheSheep> cochon: or on the desktop
[02:12] <TheSheep> cochon: I don't know about openbox, though, try asking at #openbox or something
[02:12] <cochon> good idea
[02:13] <cochon> if I had somethign like rox-filer running
[02:13] <cochon> I'd just use an icon
[02:13] <cochon> wanna keep this as slim as possibl tho
[02:13] <TheSheep> cochon: put it in the menu
[02:14] <cochon> ohh yeah!
[02:14] <cochon> d'oh!
[02:19] <grazie> 'The King is dead, long live the King!'
[02:20] <grazie> or maybe that should be 'Hasta La Vista, Baby!'
[03:00] <namelessjon> Is there some way I can automount a usb stick to a set folder?
[03:02] <ForgeAus> using fstab?
[03:02] <ForgeAus> I'm not sure but possiblility if you read up on it
[03:10] <cochon> how can I get modprobe to auto load some extra modules?
[03:51] <PuMpErNiCkLe> cochon: Add them to /etc/modules, and they'll be loaded at boot.
[03:51] <cochon> :D
[03:52] <cochon> I knew it would be easy
[03:53] <cochon> everythign in ubuntu is wheee
[04:23] <omkar86> hi
[04:23] <omkar86> I installed xubuntu on second primary partition /dev/hda3, Can i make this partition logical without loosing data?
[04:24] <cochon> not easily I don't think
[04:27] <omkar86> actual problem is my dad wants to install winXP on 1st primary partition, but xp setup is recognising xubuntu partition as FREE space and uses it along with /dev/hda1 for installing xp.
[04:27] <omkar86> any clues?
[04:30] <cochon> best bet is to install XP first
[04:30] <cochon> whe I do it
[04:30] <cochon> I use a livecd to format the drive
[04:30] <cochon> then partition it into the partitions I will require
[04:31] <cochon> this way you can make the XP installer just use a pre-ordained partition nicely
[04:31] <omkar86> ok
[04:31] <omkar86> so i have to loose current xubuntu installation
[04:31] <omkar86> i can backup data thts not a prblm
[04:31] <cochon> and of course when you install ubuntu to hda3 grub will find xp and give you the opoption waw!
[04:32] <omkar86> ok thts a last option
[05:25] <Luc1> How to change or off screen-saver in Xubuntu 6.06?
[05:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> applications>settings>settings manager>screen saver
[05:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Luc1,
[05:27] <Luc1> bigfuzzyjesus: Thanks. I am going to try it.
[05:27] <bigfuzzyjesus> ok :)
[05:32] <Commander-Crowe> and he never comes back again
[05:33] <Commander-Crowe> complete failuar
[05:39] <Luc1> bigfuzzyjesus: Thanks for screen-saver. I did't see that button in the setting-manager, because I have small resolution. I had to move the windows. :-)
[05:39] <bigfuzzyjesus> heh
[05:39] <bigfuzzyjesus> your welcome
[06:15] <hyper_ch> Is this normal?
[06:15] <hyper_ch> Mem:   1034648k total,   754804k used,   279844k free,    22252k buffers
[06:15] <hyper_ch> Swap:        0k total,        0k used,        0k free,   350932k cached
[06:15] <hyper_ch> that swap is 0 but everything is cached?
[06:17] <Timerever> crap!
[06:17] <Timerever> someone help me here
[06:17] <Timerever> I've just installed Xbuntu and this thing keeps giving me out of frequency monitor errors
[06:18] <Timerever> is xubuntu trying to display the startup at 1900x1600 or what?
[06:20] <somerville32> Timerever, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and disable 1900x1600
[06:30] <Timerever> ok, i'm done
[06:30] <Timerever> will see if worked
[06:30] <somerville32> :)
[06:34] <Timerever> not half bad, but still no luick
[06:34] <Timerever> the thing is still going beyond the monitor horizontal sync
[06:35] <Timerever> it goes to 74khz
[06:35] <Timerever> my moniot only does 71
[06:36] <Timerever> plus xfce only let's me select the folowing resolutions: Default, 800x600@85Hz and 640x480@85Hz
[06:36] <Timerever> whatever happened to all the others?
[06:37] <bur[n] er> check yer xorg.conf file
[06:37] <Timerever> i did
[06:37] <Timerever> i told it the limit was 71khz
[06:38] <Timerever> it told me to f*ck off and keeps going to 74khz
[06:38] <bur[n] er> lol
[06:38] <bur[n] er> i hate when my pc tells me to f*ck off
[06:38] <bur[n] er> submit a bug to launchpad maybe?>
[06:39] <Timerever> check it
[06:39] <Timerever> Section "Monitor"
[06:39] <Timerever> 	Identifier	"Lg 700S"
[06:39] <Timerever> 	Option		"DPMS"
[06:39] <Timerever> 	HorizSync	28-71
[06:39] <Timerever> 	VertRefresh	43-120
[06:39] <Timerever> EndSection
[06:40] <grazie> Timerever: do you know what your machine is capable of?
[06:40] <Timerever> yep
[06:41] <grazie> Timerever: do you feel happy with changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually?
[06:41] <Timerever> btw isn't there a central configuration app in ubuntu? like the DrakConfig (but for ubuntu)
[06:41] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to connect thunderbird's address book to an exchange server's contacts?
[06:41] <Timerever> grazie: i just did it
[06:42] <bur[n] er> i bet some additional modelines, or removing of modelines would help
[06:43] <grazie> Timerever: good! maybe ubuntu doesn't have the best hw detection kernel out there, but it got you up and running...
[06:43] <Timerever> yay... I got the OS to boot...... pay me money :-D
[06:44] <Timerever> btw this thing ain't secure by default
[06:44] <TheSheep> nothing is
[06:44] <Timerever> i mean the firewall isn't configured
[06:44] <Timerever> and I don't remember how to do it
[06:45] <TheSheep> Timerever: what do you need the firewall for?
[06:45] <Timerever> you can never be too safe when it come to computers
[06:45] <Timerever> the old block all incoming should do it
[06:45] <Timerever> and allow all out coming
[06:46] <TheSheep> Timerever: incoming to what ports?
[06:46] <Timerever> all
[06:46] <Timerever> that does the trick and it's simple
[06:47] <TheSheep> Timerever: do you have any services running that you want to be available from outside?
[06:47] <Timerever> nope, maybe gaim sometime but that's just open a door or 2
[06:47] <TheSheep> Timerever: then all the ports are closed anyways
[06:47] <Timerever> that's what i said
[06:47] <Timerever> but where?
[06:47] <Timerever> can't remember the right file
[06:48] <TheSheep> Timerever: if you didn't open them they *are* closed
[06:48] <Timerever> ain't there a frontend ot this?
[06:48] <TheSheep> Timerever: hello?
[06:48] <bur[n] er> lol
[06:48] <bur[n] er> if you have no services, the ports 'are' closed
[06:48] <Timerever> hi
[06:48] <TheSheep> Timerever: Linux doesn't just accept random connections from outside...
[06:48] <bur[n] er> as for firewall, u could use firestarter i suppose
[06:49] <Timerever> ok, whatever. but what I need top get working right know is the startup screen
[06:51] <bur[n] er> or environmentally/energy conscious too I guess
[06:51] <Timerever> ugh, remembered
[06:52] <Timerever> iptables...
[06:52] <Timerever> nvever mind, the startup is much more annoying
[06:52] <bur[n] er> netstat -a |less <--use this to tell you what ports are open
[06:52] <TheSheep> Timerever: you only need iptables if you want some complicated rules, like only letting in certain addresses
[06:53] <TheSheep> or namp localhost ;)
[06:53] <grazie> *nmap ...
[06:53] <TheSheep> right
[06:56] <somerville32> Timerever, You can install firestarter
[06:56] <somerville32> Timerever, It is a front end for the IPT firewall
[06:59] <Timerever> yeah but I'm more concerned about the screen settings now
[06:59] <Timerever> can't quite figure it out......
[06:59] <Timerever> i wonder why >_>
[07:00] <somerville32> What is wrong with your screen?
[07:00] <Timerever> at starup it goes out of frenquency
[07:01] <Timerever> goes to 74Khz for hor frequency
[07:01] <Timerever> also
[07:01] <Timerever> can't select all the resoltutions of the monitor or else the screen will dumbly go to too high resoltions
[07:02] <Timerever> have to cap it @ 1024x768
[07:03] <Timerever> where the startup screen settings here?
[07:04] <TheSheep> Timerever: /etc/usplash.conf
[07:04] <Timerever> it can't be the xorg.conf since it look ok
[07:04] <Timerever> ah
[07:04] <Timerever> lets check that one then
[07:06] <Timerever> LOL
[07:06] <Timerever> told ya
[07:06] <Timerever> the startup screen was trying to go all the way up to 1600x1200 at god know what frequency
[07:06] <Timerever> that is sure a smart default setting *_*
[07:08] <Timerever> reconfiguring X
[07:08] <Timerever> what's the kernel framebuffer?
[07:08] <TheSheep> Timerever: that is not a default setting, it's what your monitor reported
[07:08] <TheSheep> Timerever: you don't want it
[07:08] <Timerever> no? what does it do?
[07:09] <TheSheep> use google
[07:09] <TheSheep> :)
[07:09] <Timerever> using the nvidia drivers
[07:10] <Timerever> meh...
[07:11] <Timerever> i'll disable it then (lol)
[07:12] <Timerever> mouse protocol? (no explanation on the configuration tool)
[07:16] <Timerever> brb
[07:23] <Timerever> almost done
[07:23] <Timerever> in xorg.conf there's this setting
[07:23] <Timerever> Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[07:24] <Timerever> under the mouse section
[07:24] <Timerever> but the scroll keys of my trackball don't work
[07:24] <Timerever> should be keys 3 and 4 but none work
[07:24] <Timerever> key 4 should do something
[07:26] <somerville32> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons
[07:28] <Timerever> cool, do you google these infos on the fly or what?
[07:30] <somerville32> Google on the fly ;] 
[07:30] <DrX0> I hosed my Linux.  I was installing another OS to another partition.  Now it says I have a bad superblock and throws me in maintenance mode and reiserfcsk --rebuilt-sb doesn't fix it.  Is there a fast way to recover?
[07:33] <Timerever> confusing...
[07:33] <Timerever> what version of xorg is installed by default here?
[07:33] <TheSheep> DrX0: sounds bad... have you checked if the root parameter to the kernel points to the correct parttion?
[07:33] <TheSheep> Timerever: what version of xfce do you have?
[07:34] <Timerever> whatever is installed on Xubunto 6.10
[07:34] <TheSheep> Timerever: I mean xubuntu
[07:34] <somerville32> DrX, http://forums.infoprosjoint.net/showthread.php?t=5821
[07:34] <DrX0> TheSheep:  how?
[07:34] <TheSheep> DrX0: it's in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:34] <TheSheep> DrX0: make sure all the entries have the right root partitions for them
[07:35] <Timerever> just spoted something alot worse, the default browser is Firefox with google spywar......err.... toolbar
[07:35] <Timerever> getting opera in a jiff
[07:35] <DrX0> TheSheep:  I don't seem to have a grub subdirectory under boot
[07:35] <somerville32> Timerever, We don't install Firefox with google toolbar...
[07:36] <Timerever> well it's right here
[07:36] <Timerever> it looks awfully like the google toolbar
[07:36] <Timerever> it even does that auto list thing
[07:36] <somerville32> Screenshot?
[07:36] <TheSheep> DrX0: do you use grub or lilo?
[07:37] <DrX0> TheSheep, I think grub, how can I check?
[07:37] <Commander-Crowe> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/tommy18crowe/s-sh2.jpg
[07:37] <TheSheep> DrX0: not sure
[07:39] <DrX0> TheSheep:  I could be wrong about the grub directory (I was booted from CD trying to repair), checking...
[07:39] <TheSheep> DrX0: you need to mount your root partition and check there
[07:39] <bur[n] er> hehe, i like that Commander-Crowe
[07:40] <Commander-Crowe> do you now
[07:40] <bur[n] er> http://picasaweb.google.com/xburnerx/UbuntuLinuxScreenshots/photo?pli=1#5024928293352398306  <--mine :)
[07:40] <Commander-Crowe> http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f380/tommy18crowe/ss.png
[07:41] <bur[n] er> kaffeine?  what kind of xfce user are you?
[07:41] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[07:41] <Timerever> somerville32: lol, can't do it.... the printscreen doesn't seem to work or work in a funny way
[07:41] <Timerever> nevermind
[07:41] <Commander-Crowe> I have every windows manager you can thing of installed
[07:42] <somerville32> Timerever, Use the screen capture tool then? : P
[07:42] <DrX0> TheSheep:  nope, not there
[07:42] <Timerever> I've intalled the Opera package and it said it had package conflicts but the other window said it installed correctly
[07:42] <Timerever> it works... but i wonder,
[07:43] <TheSheep> DrX0: neither /boot/grub/ nor /etc/lilo.conf ?
[07:43] <TheSheep> DrX0: how about on the other linux you have installed?
[07:43] <DrX0> TheSheep:  neither
[07:44] <DrX0> TheSheep:  Windows2003
[07:44] <Timerever> somerville32: where' that?
[07:45] <TheSheep> DrX0: as far as I know windows' bootloader can't boot linux
[07:45] <TheSheep> DrX0: by design
[07:45] <somerville32> Timerever, There is a panel applet, I believe
[07:45] <DrX0> TheSheep, yes I think that is what killed my Linux, I just want to put it back & deal with Windows later.
[07:46] <TheSheep> DrX0: aah, there should be a 'repair grub' option on the live cd somewhere
[07:46] <bur[n] er> TheSheep, that is a good idea...  submit a bug report ;)
[07:46] <DrX0> TheSheep:  There was a recovery mode, but when I got there it was just a login prompt and I didn't know what to do.
[07:47] <bur[n] er> TheSheep, if you can use recovery mode, you are beyond the grub boot loader
[07:47] <DrX0> TheSheep:  I ran recovery mode from the CD
[07:48] <DrX0> bur[n] er:  meant for you
[07:48] <TheSheep> bur[n] er: I mean there *is* such an option
[07:48] <bur[n] er> oh
[07:49] <TheSheep> DrX0: just look for it, I'm not sure where it is now, didn't use it for a while, since I got rid of windows :)
[07:49] <bur[n] er> DrX0, just run the livecd... open a term... "sudo grub-install"
[07:50] <DrX0> TheSheep, should I just reinstall Linux... seems like it might be faster.
[07:50] <bur[n] er> DrX0, that's an option if you dont' care about losing all your linux stuff
[07:50] <TheSheep> DrX0: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-254845.html
[07:50] <bur[n] er> i think it'd be faster to do grub-install, but to each their own ;)
[07:51] <TheSheep> DrX0: http://forum.notebookreview.com/archive/index.php?t-57577.html
[07:51] <DrX0> bur[n] er, but the system boots to maintenance mode, isn't that past the grub loader?
[07:51] <TheSheep> DrX0: it is
[07:52] <DrX0> TheSheep, so I'm thinking it overwrote system files rather than to boot partition.
[07:52] <DrX0> TheSheep, and I'm guessing grub-install won't fix that, right?
[07:54] <TheSheep> yes
[07:54] <TheSheep> DrX0: ah, windows sometimes does this weird stuff
[07:55] <TheSheep> DrX0: if the partitions are not in the disk order, it re-arranges them in the partition table
[07:55] <TheSheep> DrX0: so the partition names change
[07:55] <TheSheep> DrX0: and then linux can;t mount its /
[07:55] <DrX0> TheSheep:  is there an easy fix?
[07:55] <TheSheep> DrX0: fdisk -l /dev/hda (or whatever disk you use) will list the partitions
[07:56] <TheSheep> DrX0: see which one is your / and fixthe entry in /etc/fstab and ... well, and in /boot/grub/menu.lst ...
[07:57] <DrX0> TheSheep, one is marked * for boot, is that the one?
[07:57] <TheSheep> DrX0: both of these files are on that partition though, so you have to mount it first and look there
[07:57] <TheSheep> DrX0: no
[07:57] <TheSheep> DrX0: look at the partition type
[07:57] <DrX0> TheSheep, one says Linux, two say Linux LVM
[07:58] <TheSheep> DrX0: the one that says Linux is your /
[07:58] <TheSheep> most likely
[07:59] <DrX0> TheSheep, / is the swap paritition, isn't it?
[08:00] <TheSheep> no
[08:00] <TheSheep> it's the main partition of your system
[08:00] <DrX0> TheSheep, / is the boot partition?
[08:00] <TheSheep> no, it's the root, just "/"
[08:00] <TheSheep> the file system starts there
[08:00] <TheSheep> all other partitins are mounted to it
[08:01] <grazie> DrX0: why don't you pastebin your fdisk output?
[08:02] <DrX0> TheSheep, OK, that's the third partition, /dev/sd3
[08:03] <DrX0> TheSheep, and I don't see it mentioned in /etc/fstab, but /dev/sda is there as boot
[08:04] <DrX0> TheSheep, should I add /dev/sda     /         reiserfs    acl,user_xattr?
[08:04] <TheSheep> DrX0: you don't have any entry for / ?
[08:04] <DrX0> TheSheep, yeah, it's /dev/VolGroup00/LogiVol01 /
[08:04] <TheSheep> ah, so you use lvm
[08:05] <TheSheep> ok, I should have guessed that when you mentioned the Linux LVM partitoins
[08:05] <DrX0> TheSheep, yes.  Oh, and that's right.
[08:05] <TheSheep> ok, so the only 'real' partition is your /boot then
[08:06] <DrX0> Maybe windows overwrote files in the system partition?
[08:07] <TheSheep> DrX0: even as broken system as windows shoudn't do something like that
[08:07] <DrX0> TheSheep, what should I check now?
[08:07] <TheSheep> most likely it just messed the partition order
[08:08] <TheSheep> but I don't know where lvm sotres that information
[08:09] <DrX0> TheSheep, does the CD installer have a repair option like Windows?
[08:09] <dekker_avesque> hullo
[08:10] <dekker_avesque> i was wondering what's up with the Terminal Multiplexor (Screen) service
[08:10] <dekker_avesque> i understand what it is, i mean
[08:10] <dekker_avesque> however what i don't understand
[08:10] <dekker_avesque> is how it isn't enabled, yet i have screen capabilities in terminal
[08:10] <dekker_avesque> if that isn't what it controls, what does it control?
[08:10] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: that's somethig else
[08:11] <dekker_avesque> so what's the terminal multiplexor enable then? it says screen in parenthesis
[08:11] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: you can run screen anywhere -- from a terminal or from console, and it lets you to switch between uhmm... windows, with ctrl+a space, create new once with ctrl+a c, and even "detach" the whole thing and run it in background without any terminal, with ctrl+a d
[08:12] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: see 'man screen' for details
[08:12] <dekker_avesque> i know screen
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> and the shortcuts
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> i used to setup gameservers via shell for money
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> for a gamehosting company
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> and screen was quite essential
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> i just don't understand what the service does
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> because screen is obviously already available
[08:13] <dekker_avesque> without it being enabled
[08:15] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: ah, you mean the part in rc.d that runs at boot?
[08:15] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: I guess it just does some cleanup and prepares files
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> oh
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> just 'cuz i found the screen option in the services settings
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> to enable/disable
[08:16] <DrX0> TheSheep, I found a repair mode in the CD installer, and it says "No partition table was found for /dev/evms/lvm2/VG_Guests... have gpart Suggest Partition Table or {same w/ expert mode}" (default)?
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> and was confused, because it seems to have no real impact on the system
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> i'm also unsure of exactly what harddrive tuning does
[08:16] <dekker_avesque> and whether or not it should be enabled/disabled
[08:17] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: you mean hdparm?
[08:17] <dekker_avesque> yeah
[08:17] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: it just applies the settings you set in /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> ah
[08:18] <TheSheep> dekker_avesque: if you don't have any specific settings there, you don't need it
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> i have no setting set in /etc/hdparm.conf to the best of my knowledge
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> yeah
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> ok
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> i'm still unsure whether enabling screen as a service has any benefits
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> but i'm doing it anyway
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> because i'm OCD
[08:18] <dekker_avesque> lol
[08:18] <TheSheep> most modern drives' capabilities should be autodetected by the kernel anyways
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> i find it weird
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> how XMMS
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> distorts at 100% volume
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> unlike its windows counterpart, winamp
[08:19] <Timerever> i had enough of this for today
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> i mean i suppose that's more like a real volume control on a soundboard
[08:19] <Timerever> going
[08:19] <dekker_avesque> but who really wants that in an mp3 player?
[08:21] <dekker_avesque> anyway i guess i learned what i came hear to learn
[08:22] <dekker_avesque> thanks sheep
[08:22] <dekker_avesque> i'm out
[08:22] <DrX0> now it says "No valid paritions found for the paritition table of /dev/evms/lvm2/VG_Guest, you can try to restore them manually, I'm hosed, huh?
[08:25] <grazie> DrX0: do you have any data on the disks you need to recover?
[08:26] <DrX0> grazie, I'd like to have all my stuff back, there's no data, but I spent 3 days configuring this system.
[08:27] <grazie> DrX0: it would be at the very least hard, if not impossible. Why did you use LVM?
[08:27] <DrX0> I'm running Xen and Xensource recommends you use LVM.  I guess it's so you can have more (logical) parititions for VMs but they dont' really say why.
[08:28] <grazie> but if something borks, recovery is more difficult...as you've discovered
[08:30] <DrX0> grazie, so you think I should just create three primary and one extended partition instead?
[08:30] <grazie> it's what I would have done
[08:31] <DrX0> grazie, can I extend partitions as easily if I need more space later?
[08:31] <DrX0> grazie, I might need to add new drives and span disks as data parititions fill up
[08:32] <grazie> you can have lots of logical partitions...if you leave work space you can add, move, whatever at leisure
[08:33] <grazie> but I don't anything  about Xen though
[08:34] <DrX0> grazie, is there a way to fix lvm volumes?  and what do I give up not using them?
[08:36] <grazie> i don't know how, but I'm sure you can...it's just that much more difficult
[08:40] <DrX0> repair got me back up, but now I'm thinking I should just reinstall and jettison Reiser in favor of ext3 and jettison LVM in favor of primary and extended partitions
[08:42] <grazie> your call :)
[08:46] <DrX0> grazie, isn't it true that LVMs are more scalable, you can grow, shrink, add them together in ways that you cannot with ext3 primary & extended partitions?
[08:52] <grazie> DrX0: Maybe LVMs are more auto scalable... I dunno
[08:52] <DrX0> grazie, seems like a catch 22:  i either get robust/recoverable partitions or easy expandability.
[08:53] <grazie> if I maintain my partitions manually, I'm always in control
[08:56] <DrX0> grazie,  I guess that makes sense.  So we're going with:  No LVM, one primary partition for the host os (boot), and three extended paritions (one for host os swap & system, one for Linux guest, one for windows guest), and all ext3?
[08:59] <grazie> it your choice, but you seem to be limiting yourself self to 4 partitions?
[09:00] <DrX0> grazie, what would you do?
[09:02] <grazie> how long is a piece of string? I don't know what you're trying to achieve
[09:02] <grazie> my /dev/hda has 10 partitions at the moment
[09:04] <DrX0> grazie, well I want, on one RAID 1 pair, Linux host OS with nothing but default + Xen, one Linux guest for file & print (no data), one Windows 2003 Server guest for SQL database, and separate physical drives (raid 5) for data.
[09:05] <grazie> DrX0: that's too complicated for me I'm afraid :(
[09:06] <DrX0> grazie, well, when you say limiting myself to 4 partitions, I think that's just the limit period without LVM, isn't it?
[09:06] <grazie> isn't RAID based on disks and partitions anyways?
[09:07] <grazie> s/and/and not/
[09:08] <DrX0> RAID will let you have multiple drives appear as a single drive and redundancy, but it won't let you have more than the standard number of partitions, just largers parititions on more drives.
[09:08] <grazie> you can only have 4 primary partitions. With extended, you can have lots of logical partitions.
[09:09] <DrX0> grazie, anyway, extended partitions allow for more than 4 total partitions by using logical parititions, you just can't grow & shrink them as you can with LVM
[09:09] <grazie> sorry got to shoot off
[09:27] <DrX0> can I poll the audience?
[09:28] <mirf> I guess
[09:28] <DrX0> xfs or ext3?
[09:28] <mirf> ext3
[09:28] <TheSheep> for a desktop -- ext3
[09:28] <mirf> wherabouts should I put my xsetroot command in ubuntu?
[09:28] <mirf> doens't seem to work in .xinitrc
[09:29] <TheSheep> mirf: maybe to autostarted applications?
[09:29] <DrX0> for a server?
[09:29] <TheSheep> DrX0: depends on the kind of server and the hardware user
[09:29] <TheSheep> used
[09:29] <mirf> TheSheep, in xsession?
[09:29] <DrX0> IBM xSeries 3500/ hardware RAID
[09:30] <TheSheep> DrX0: and personal preference, of course. I'm not experienced enough to advise you here.
[09:30] <TheSheep> mirf: settings->autostarted applications
[09:31] <DrX0> I'm kinda feeling ext3 -- reiser too many complaints & guy in jail, xfs some say issues
[09:31] <mirf> I don't have that option
[09:31] <TheSheep> mirf: do you use xubuntu?
[09:31] <mirf> yeah
[09:31] <mirf> base server install
[09:32] <TheSheep> that's not xubuntu -_-
[09:32] <mirf> yeah good point
[09:32] <mirf> heh
[09:32] <mirf> xubuntu is on the desktop
[09:32] <mirf> so this is the channel I idle
[09:32] <TheSheep> mirf: well, why would you need X on a server anyways
[09:32] <mirf> the pc is an old laptop
[09:33] <mirf> even xubuntu is a bit heavy on it
[09:33] <mirf> running openbox atm
[09:36] <mirf> it's mega fast hehe
[10:17] <LordGamer> hi all anyone know of a Network Client like Odyssey that is free I have to be able to put in a ESSID username and password
[10:19] <maxamillion> LordGamer: just for wireless?
[10:20] <LordGamer> yea its a school wireless and they use Odyssey as there Windows client so I need something similar
[10:21] <maxamillion> LordGamer: i'm not familiar with Odyssey but I use wifi-radar for my wireless needs, it handles wireless network "profiles" rather well ....
[10:21] <maxamillion> !wifi-radar
[10:21] <ubotu> wifi-radar: graphical utility for managing Wi-Fi profiles. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.7-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 36 kB, installed size 208 kB
[10:21] <LordGamer> ah cool
[10:21] <LordGamer> I will try than thanks!
[10:21] <maxamillion> LordGamer: do you know if you have your universe repositories enables?
[10:21] <maxamillion> enabled*
[10:21] <LordGamer> yea I do
[10:21] <maxamillion> awesome, then installation is just like anything else :)
[10:22] <LordGamer> :D
[10:23] <LordGamer> I am looking at Crossover it looks cool too!
[10:24] <maxamillion> only problem is it costs money .... money i don't have :(
[10:24] <LordGamer> yea thats true
[10:24] <LordGamer> I bought 7 a while ago
[10:24] <LordGamer> err
[10:24] <LordGamer> 4
[10:24] <LordGamer> I see 5 is out
[10:25] <maxamillion> yeah, i have heard reports from xubuntu users who have tried 5 that they haven't found a windows app that won't run on it
[10:25] <LordGamer> cool
[10:26] <maxamillion> yeah, i don't generally use any windows software so it doesn't entirely appeal to me but if i were to ever find myself in a business environment (i'm still a college student) where i needed windows software i would get crossover office
[10:27] <LordGamer> yea I am in college too taking Web Development so I need Photoshop/Dreamwaever to work
[10:28] <LordGamer> GIMP is the same but not enough if that makes sence
[10:30] <maxamillion> yeah, i agree... GIMP is powerful, but confusing
[10:31] <LordGamer> yup
[10:31] <maxamillion> LordGamer: do both Photoshop and Dreamweaver run on CrossOver4?
[10:32] <LordGamer> Photoshop 7 does I have not tried CS2 or Dreameaver 8 but I am going to tonight so stick around :P
[10:35] <grazie> both run on wine so there certainly shouldn't be a problem with crossover
[10:35] <LordGamer> now if MeGUI and Gordian Knot would come out lol
[10:36] <DrX0> I've had a lot of trouble with WINE running IE 6 -- it crashes and closes down a lot.  I've heard that it's not very stable.  Is that the consensus
[10:37] <grazie> maxamillion: hang on...did you mean cedega?
[10:37] <maxamillion> grazie: i didn't know they were running one wine as of late .... i'm on a 64-bit machine and wine doesn't get along with me
[10:38] <maxamillion> grazie: no, Crossover
[10:38] <maxamillion> DrX0: yeah, that's about right
[10:38] <DrX0> Also, I've noticed many IE functions just don't work at all in WINE.
[10:39] <grazie> i obviously don't know what crossover is...
[10:39] <DrX0> grazie, crossover office is a commercialized version that lets you run MS Office on non-Windows platforms
[10:39] <maxamillion> grazie: basically Cedega but not specific to games ... atleast that's what i thought it was
[10:40] <DrX0> Is Crossover more stable than WINE with IE?
[10:40] <LordGamer> DrX0 close not just office a ton of programs Photoshop Dreamweaver and more
[10:40] <maxamillion> DrX0: i would imagine so ... but it costs money
[10:40] <LordGamer> Game too
[10:41] <LordGamer> Games
[10:41] <maxamillion> grazie: exact quote from the codeweavers website about cross over ... Allows you to run many popular office productivity software applications and games, such as Microsoft Office, Lotus Notes, Microsoft Project and Visio, graphics applications like Macromedia Dreamweaver MX, Flash MX, and Adobe Photoshop, games such as World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2, and many more.
[10:41] <grazie> but wine is free!
[10:41] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... i think the crossover people work on wine and crossover, kinda like how ubuntu people work on debian .... that whole "we support the project we depend on" kinda thought process
[10:42] <grazie> yeah
[10:43] <LordGamer> maxamillion wifi radar is not a stable release?
[10:43] <maxamillion> grazie: i can't wait until wine goes 1.0-stable and i get my hands on a 64-bit .deb package for it so i can stop dual booting at work because i am stuck in a windows dominated network
[10:44] <maxamillion> LordGamer: uhhhh... i think it is
[10:44] <LordGamer> I see a testing and unstable
[10:44] <maxamillion> LordGamer: where are you looking?
[10:45] <grazie> i run memory map with wine - it's great, no alternative app for linux or OS X really
[10:45] <maxamillion> grazie: memory map?
[10:45] <DrX0> I heard a rumor that Netscape has a browser that offers IE compatibility (Active X, etc)... any truth to that?  If so, any good?
[10:45] <LordGamer> bbl haircut
[10:46] <grazie> maxamillion: http://www.memory-map.co.uk/ for outdoor types or anyone obsessed with maps
[10:46] <maxamillion> grazie: ah, cool cool
[10:46] <maxamillion> grazie: oh wow ... quite the app
[10:47] <grazie> mega
[11:26] <DrX0> hello
[11:27] <maxamillion> DrX0: hello
[11:32] <DrX0> is there any file system besides LVM that will let me extend a partition to span onto a newly added disk?
[11:33] <hyper_ch> DrX0: you can mount the new drive in a folder of a current drive
[11:33] <maxamillion> DrX0: not that i know of
[11:34] <DrX0> that's not bad, then I can move some directories to the new folder (drive).  Okay, that's something.  Not quite expanded partition, but still useful.
[11:35] <hyper_ch> well, falko wrote a little howto to LVM --> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm
[11:36] <hyper_ch> DrX0: I have for example my virtual machine for vmware mounted at /home/hyper/VMachines
[11:36] <hyper_ch> that folder is in reality a partition of another drive...
[11:36] <hyper_ch> while the whole /home folder is a partition on its own also :)
[11:41] <DrX0> I may just use ext3 for OS partitions and LVM for data and be done with it, get the flexibility for the latter but the recoverability for the former.
[11:42] <maxamillion> DrX0: sounds like a plan to me .... i actually have a dual boot setup at work where i just store data on a fat32 so each OS can rw without issues
[11:43] <DrX0> yeah, I'm considering that but I'd lose security.
[11:45] <maxamillion> DrX0: true
[11:46] <__lonewolf> hi everyone
[11:47] <maxamillion> hello
[11:49] <LordGamer> back
[11:50] <LordGamer> maxamillion did you ever find out if that wifi radar was stable?
[11:51] <maxamillion> LordGamer: yeah ... runs on my laptop
[11:52] <LordGamer> what one did you get tho?
[11:52] <LordGamer> 1.9.6-3.1?
[11:53] <maxamillion> LordGamer: the one from the repository ... just do "sudo aptitude install wifi-radar" ... it will install and then be in applications->network
[11:53] <LordGamer> ok
[11:54] <maxamillion> LordGamer: or apt-get ... depends on which one you prefer
[11:54] <LordGamer> apt-get ;)
[11:55] <maxamillion> most people do even though aptitude handles dependancies better
[11:55] <LordGamer> ah
[11:56] <maxamillion> LordGamer: join #debian real quick
[11:56] <maxamillion> LordGamer: i can never explain it as well as the #debian bot ;)
[11:56] <LordGamer> hehe
[11:58] <Maximilian1st> see :-p
[11:58] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: yeah ... as soon as i typed it i saw your nick
[11:58] <maxamillion> :/
[11:58] <Maximilian1st> ;.)
[11:59] <maxamillion> #debian gets too busy for me sometimes
[11:59] <Maximilian1st> It is, messages fly bye so fast there...
[12:00] <maxamillion> oh yeah .... kinda like #ubuntu
[12:00] <Maximilian1st> some blondie asked if we were related :-)
[12:00] <maxamillion> lawl!
[12:00] <Maximilian1st> * blondie wonders if maxamillion and Maximilian1st are related
[12:00] <hyper_ch> everytime I go to #debian and ask something I am just told: RTFM
[12:01] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: yeah .... that's part of why i switched, the community is nicer around here
[12:01] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: i also actually used to be one of those jerkish zealots
[12:01] <hyper_ch> maxamillion: I have to add that I love debian as server :)
[12:02] <LordGamer> yea as a noob people are nice :)
[12:02] <hyper_ch> and since ubuntu is debian based
[12:02] <hyper_ch> I can normally as everything in here or in #kubuntu
[12:02] <hyper_ch> or in the german channels :=
[12:02] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: oh yeah, me too ... debian is the most stable operating system i have ever personally encountered and it lives on my servers as well, but for the desktop ... xubuntu is my favorite
[12:03] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, should come to europe :-) You would end up learning different languages. No other choice, though most folks now speak english...
[12:04] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: yeah, i would love to come to europe ... i just lack funding
[12:04] <Maximilian1st> hyper_ch, is swiss so he speaks german and english and probably french too... hyper_ch ??
[12:04] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: tu prfres parler en franais?
[12:04] <hyper_ch> anch'io parlo italiano
[12:04] <hyper_ch> y hablo un poquit espaol
[12:05] <hyper_ch> well, I had latin for nearly 7 years at school and french, italian, spanish it's all so close :)
[12:06] <Maximilian1st> That is nice, I miss the spanish part... never had latin though, I would have loved it.
[12:06] <hyper_ch> Maximilian1st: I hated it at school but now I see how much it helps me :)
[12:07] <Maximilian1st> For those languages you mentioned, it is a must.
[12:07] <hyper_ch> not only for those languages... also a lot of the "foreign" words in english and German are of latin origin
[12:07] <Maximilian1st> Sure.
[12:08] <hyper_ch> ok, that was now a bit offtopic :)
[12:09] <Maximilian1st> Nobody has questions so it doesn't really matter. No? maxamillion ?
[12:11] <Kraken> (Which I asked earlier, but there are poeple about now)
[12:12] <Kraken> Is there any way I can automount a usd stick to a particular directory?
[12:12] <hyper_ch> hmmm, for me the USB sticks always gets an icon on the desktop
[12:13] <hyper_ch> Kraken: but I think with udev rules that could be achieved
[12:13] <Maximilian1st> If it is the same USB stick you could use it's HAL id and probably place that in fstab.
[12:13] <hyper_ch> !udev
[12:13] <ubotu> udev: rule-based device node and kernel event manager. In component main, is important. Version 093-0ubuntu18 (edgy), package size 224 kB, installed size 768 kB
[12:14] <hyper_ch> hal?
[12:15] <maxamillion> !hal
[12:15] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.7.1-0ubuntu17 (edgy), package size 347 kB, installed size 1112 kB
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> Yes, I think it is hal, this is my fstab contents
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> UUID=936aa917-130c-46a1-8e1c-92c5dfb78333		/			ext3		defaults,errors=remount-ro	0       1
[12:15] <hyper_ch> what does it do?
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> See, this is the id of my hdd
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> you can find these with  a command
[12:15] <Maximilian1st> hmm...
[12:15] <Kraken> Yeah, I've managed to change the name to the one I want on the desktop icon with the udev rules, but it still mounts to /media/usbdisk
[12:15] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[12:15] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:15] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer
[12:16] <maxamillion> brb
[12:16] <hyper_ch> blkid --> that's the command to get the UUID
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> trs fort.
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> :-)
[12:16] <hyper_ch> Kraken: why not symlinking it then to where you want it to be mounted?
[12:16] <Maximilian1st> maybe it has nothing to do with hal in the end.
[12:17] <DrX0> disk= [phy:/dev/sda5,ioemu:hdb,w' ] 
[12:17] <Maximilian1st> Still I would suggest to try adding a line in fstab with auto
[12:17] <DrX0> builder = 'hvm'
[12:17] <Kraken> If I have two usb sticks in, it could be usbdisk1 or usbdisk or
[12:18] <DrX0> device_model = '/usr/lib/xen/bin/qeum-dm'
[12:18] <hyper_ch> Kraken: hmmm, I still think you should be able to mount it with udev rules...
[12:18] <DrX0> kernel = '/usr/lib/xen/boot/hvmloader'
[12:18] <DrX0> boot = 'd'
[12:18] <DrX0> cdrom = '/dev/hda/
[12:18] <Kraken> Well, I thought I had. The name on the icon that appears on the desktop did change, but it mounted to the same spot.
[12:19] <DrX0> (now we know where hda went)_
[12:19] <DrX0> i skipped the other lines, but I will probably change on_reboot and on_crash to 'restart'
[12:20] <Kraken> And when I add it to my fstab, which should override the default location (according to something I read somewhere at work today with random googling) instead it says it can't find the mount point
[12:20] <hyper_ch> well, I found out about udev just a few days ago when I had problems with my pda :)
[12:20] <DrX0> any reason why the disk = line might hose my host VM Linux OS?
[12:21] <Maximilian1st> Have you tried something like this? UUID=the_exact_id_of_your_USB_stick		/your/mount/point			vfat??		auto,defaults,user	0       1
[12:21] <Maximilian1st> Kraken, When you say "<Kraken> And when I add it to my fstab," what do you add?
[12:22] <Kraken> Like the line you just pasted, but with the device name in place of the UUID, and a 0 at the end, not a 1
[12:23] <Kraken>  /dev/backupstick
[12:23] <Kraken> being the device name.
[12:23] <Kraken> (and that symlink does exist when I have the stick in there.)
[12:24] <Maximilian1st> That is my point, you name it by a standard name. Try plugging it in so it works, check out it's ID and use that instead. I am no dev but this sounds good to me and could work...
[12:25] <Kraken> What does the '1' at the end signify (as opposed to a 0)?
[12:25] <Maximilian1st> It is to make a check of the sanity of the disk sometimes after a number of reboots...
[12:26] <Kraken> Okay
[12:26] <maxamillion> lol ... i think the survalence camera server here at work just crashed
[12:26] <Maximilian1st> just leave that to 0 for your USB stick
[12:26] <maxamillion> nope .. nvm, its back
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> nvm...
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> nvm?
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> never mind?
[12:27] <maxamillion> yeah
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> k
[12:27] <maxamillion> sorry ... i <3 shorthand because i am lazy
[12:27] <hyper_ch> I'm off to bed... good night everyone
[12:27] <maxamillion> night hyper_ch
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> Good night hyper_ch
[12:27] <Maximilian1st> I also go to sleep, 0:30 here in CH
[12:28] <Maximilian1st> have a good day maxamillion