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| nofxx | Hi, I'm having problems with LTSP..booting 64 bits machines... anyone sucessful booting 64 bits thu PXE? | 02:49 |
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| nofxx | I was using ubuntu.. gonna try edubuntu now... | 02:50 |
| bddebian | Heya | 02:51 |
| nofxx | ruoeiwurowqeueiwouwerewpioruwqeruoieuqwr | 02:53 |
| nofxx | ops...sorry | 02:53 |
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| nofxx | what's the difference "install to hard disk" and "install a worstation" in the edubuntu cd? | 02:59 |
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| nofxx | hm..after install to hard disk it says "Decompressing Linux...Done" "Booting the kernel" ... and stops... | 03:09 |
| nofxx | I can write with the keyboard...hum...what I'm not doiing ? | 03:09 |
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| RichEd | morning all | 08:02 |
| highvoltage | morning RichEd | 08:19 |
| RichEd | hey highvoltage | 08:20 |
| RichEd | gotta minute for me ? | 08:20 |
| RichEd | ping highvoltage : are you very busy ? | 08:33 |
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| posingaspopular | room: i need some help. anyone available? | 08:37 |
| RichEd | posingaspopular: that's a bit general - ask your question ... and see who responds | 08:38 |
| posingaspopular | I have a d-link dI-541 wireless router and I need a wireclass that will support edubuntu and the wireless | 08:40 |
| RichEd | posingaspopular: does your default edbuntu install not pick up a vaild signal ? | 08:44 |
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| posingaspopular | RichEd: I don't have a wireless card yet. I need to buy one. | 08:45 |
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| RichEd | Ahh ... okay. I've only used built-it wireless, and have never had any hasles. The issue is more related to the ubuntu core than to the edubuntu variant ... I suggest you ask on #ubuntu where there are many more people active. | 08:46 |
| RichEd | *built-in | 08:46 |
| posingaspopular | RichEd: thanks. I built my computer myself and never got around to buying a card. my main computer is being used all the time and I need to do HW so I need my personal computer to connect wirelessly | 08:48 |
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| RichEd | what country are you in ? do you have a wide range of options to buy from ? | 08:48 |
| posingaspopular | states. i duno about options, ive just decided to buy it and im trying to do preliminary research | 08:52 |
| RichEd | Well if ask in #ubuntu ... you'll get quite a few stateside people there ... some of who will have had personal experience. | 08:53 |
| posingaspopular | RichEd: thanks, im in there now | 08:54 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: sorry, I'm back now | 08:55 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: no problem :) i'll msg you | 08:56 |
| highvoltage | ok | 08:56 |
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| SiCk | ello one and all | 10:00 |
| highvoltage | 'ello SiCk | 10:02 |
| SiCk | how's you? | 10:04 |
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| willvdl | highvoltage, installing freedom toaster. Did You Know it runs off a Breezy server install? | 10:27 |
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| m300107 | &bindaddr=127.0.0.1:8118 | 10:44 |
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| highvoltage | willvdl: nope | 10:46 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: although I had a vague idea it did | 10:46 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: I've never touched FT software before though | 10:47 |
| willvdl | trying now quick. jsut worried about HW compatability for new chipsets (it didn't find my NIC) | 10:48 |
| willvdl | http://allafrica.com/stories/200701250138.html | 10:53 |
| willvdl | highvoltage, what linux OS is likely to run on a P1, 32Mb Ram? (standalone) | 11:10 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: Debian 2.0 ;) | 11:12 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: you can get Linux to boot on a PC with 32MB RAM, but if you're looking for a full distrbution with X and everthing, I doubt that the PC will still be of much use | 11:13 |
| willvdl | yeah. shame, got a guy in Indonesia who received CD's through ShipIt but his hardware is soooo old | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: it might still be useful as a smoothwall box though | 11:13 |
| highvoltage | willvdl: http://www.smoothwall.org | 11:13 |
| willvdl | erm, I don't think they guy has much need for a firewall :) | 11:13 |
| RichEd | hi will ... did you respond tio my request and comments in the other channel ? news and nigeria | 11:15 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: go on | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | call me a genius | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | we now no longer need crippled_des.py | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | license problem over | 11:27 |
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| highvoltage | edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time | 11:36 |
| edubuntugirl | <sad face> ok </sad face> | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 11:36 |
| m310107 | Hi, sorry to interrupt, I'm looking for instructions on how to install a thin client (old machine) with a 3GB hard drive. I can't find any decent instructions on the edubuntu webpage. Can someone help? Thanks | 11:38 |
| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco | 11:39 |
| highvoltage | m310107: hi, does the computer have a PXE capable network card installed? | 11:39 |
| highvoltage | m310107: this should be able to help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto | 11:40 |
| m310107 | thanks, no i don' think the bios will support pxe boot, its an old box. I'd have to install a boot image that sorts this out. thx for the url. | 11:45 |
| m310107 | Thx. Am using Ubuntu 6.10 for the server, so this info looks just right. | 11:50 |
| ogra | cbx33++ | 11:55 |
| willvdl | highvoltage, is it you that adds all these thingies to edubuntugirl? | 12:08 |
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| cbx33 | ogra: will send you along the source and the book chapter... | 12:20 |
| cbx33 | and I'm gonna have a night off tonight | 12:20 |
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| cbx33 | i don't know why on earth they didn't bother doing that in the first place with the pyvnc2swf viewer | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | it's not exactly hard | 12:21 |
| cbx33 | and it seems to work fine | 12:21 |
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| highvoltage | willvdl: I add some of the thingies, yes :) | 12:56 |
| SiCk | cbx33, have you a minute? i've a question... :) | 01:10 |
| SiCk | just a quicky | 01:11 |
| SiCk | well, for anyone really... i'm trying to install gdm and firefox via apt-get to my chroot, and i'm getting couldnt find package | 01:11 |
| SiCk | tried moving sources.list over from the normal /etc/apt/ then running apt-get update, it hits everything but i still get couldnt find package... any ideas? | 01:12 |
| SiCk | yaay | 01:21 |
| SiCk | nevermind, was missing something stupid | 01:21 |
| SiCk | chroot $ROOT being the main stupid thing | 01:22 |
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| SiCk | anyone know how to set the screen res on certain clients? | 01:54 |
| SiCk | i have a kiosk situation set-up and the firefox --fullscreen is only taking up a portion of the screen | 01:56 |
| SiCk | nevermind.. got it i think heh... what a bit of research does for you eh? | 02:07 |
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| juliux | highvoltage, ping | 02:47 |
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| paolob | Hi ogra, I'm seen that in the last weeks the file /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has changed, now it has a "if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) condition. What is it? thank you | 02:52 |
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| highvoltage | juliux: pong | 02:59 |
| highvoltage | paolob: I haven't seen it myself, but I would guess it's so that the server can figure out whether the client is booting from PXE or Etherboot firmware | 03:00 |
| juliux | highvoltage, did you think you can add a link to the edubuntu weekend in feb in germany in the topic? | 03:05 |
| highvoltage | ef | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | juliux: of course | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | juliux: can you please mail me the details? | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | juliux: jonathan@ubuntu.com | 03:11 |
| juliux | highvoltage, yes | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | juliux: sounds like fun! | 03:11 |
| highvoltage | juliux: what is edubuntu weekend about? I guess I can just hold on a bit for that mail :) | 03:12 |
| juliux | highvoltage, we will have a network with around 25-30 clients and several servers, one part is to test different server and document the reatkion from the user | 03:12 |
| juliux | highvoltage, another part is only so see where a beginer has problems to setup a sever | 03:13 |
| juliux | and we will use it as a get together;) | 03:14 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all!!! | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | ping ogra | 03:22 |
| highvoltage | morning sbalneav!! | 03:22 |
| highvoltage | hi cbx33 too! | 03:22 |
| cbx33 | hey highvoltage sbalneav | 03:22 |
| sbalneav | Morning highvoltage cbx33 | 03:22 |
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| juliux | highvoltage, should i write you an e-mail? | 03:31 |
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| highvoltage | juliux: that would be good | 03:38 |
| juliux | highvoltage, ok | 03:38 |
| juliux | highvoltage, i will also write an announcend on -devel and -user in the next days | 03:39 |
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| highvoltage | juliux: great, then we can link to that too | 03:44 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:45 |
| highvoltage | heya bddebian | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Hi highvoltage | 03:46 |
| highvoltage | bddebian: do you still think you are a God? If so, can you please make my i915 graphics problems dissapear? :) | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Uhm I have never thought I was a God. A Dog maybe but far from a God :-) | 03:46 |
| highvoltage | ah I see, the wiki page changed! | 03:47 |
| bddebian | Did it? | 03:50 |
| highvoltage | yep | 03:58 |
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| nixternal | hey you guys! | 05:35 |
| nixternal | </chunk voice> | 05:35 |
| sbalneav | Chunk voice? | 05:39 |
| sbalneav | Campbells chunky voice soup? | 05:39 |
| SimonAnibal | I believe it's a Goonies reference | 05:42 |
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| cbx33 | ping ogra get my mail? | 05:44 |
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| highvoltage | win 19 | 06:38 |
| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 06:39 |
| cbx33 | win 19? | 06:39 |
| highvoltage | hi cbx33 | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | I escaped my / accidentally | 06:40 |
| highvoltage | meant to type /win 19 in irssi :) | 06:40 |
| cbx33 | ahh | 06:41 |
| cbx33 | what does taht do in irssi? | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | changes to channel #19 | 06:41 |
| highvoltage | irssi has a 'window' for each channel, so you change to window 19 to see, #launchpad, for example | 06:42 |
| cbx33 | anyone answer this question for me? | 06:47 |
| cbx33 | I have a php page with some html ssi includes | 06:47 |
| cbx33 | it doesn't work... | 06:47 |
| cbx33 | can it be made to? | 06:47 |
| cbx33 | I presume it's because it's getting parsed by php first | 06:49 |
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| highvoltage | cbx33: how does ssi work again? doesn't it execute local scripts in your pages? if so, you could use exec in php, right? | 06:50 |
| cbx33 | yeh | 06:50 |
| cbx33 | i could | 06:50 |
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| bdoin | Nepali fights OLPC from the inside, http://www.olpcnews.com/ GCompris taken as hostage | 07:20 |
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| cbx33 | hmm....since updating today X seems to be crashing a lot | 07:30 |
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| cbx33 | ======edubuntu meeting 13 mins======== | 08:47 |
| highvoltage | my responses might be a bit slow.. eatin an ice cream tht's melting faster than I can eat | 08:53 |
| stgraber | :) It should be warmer than here in that case :) | 08:54 |
| stgraber | No risk that would happen here :) | 08:54 |
| cbx33 | ===============edubuntu meeting 3 minutes away...get your beer ready========== | 08:57 |
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| pips1 | hi everybody | 08:59 |
| RichEd | hi pips1 :) | 08:59 |
| highvoltage | hi pips1 | 08:59 |
| pips1 | hey, i didn't see you there, highvoltage :-) | 09:00 |
| highvoltage | understandable, I was just out to clean all the chocolate | 09:00 |
| pips1 | huh? | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | ===========edubuntu meeting NOW=========== | 09:00 |
| pips1 | clean all the chocolate? | 09:01 |
| highvoltage | pips1: I just ate an ice cream that melted quicker than I could eat it, ended up being quite messy | 09:01 |
| pips1 | :) | 09:01 |
| pips1 | ahhh summer | 09:01 |
| froud | hi highvoltage | 09:09 |
| nixternal | sorry for going out of sequence on my post in #ubuntu-meeting | 09:10 |
| nixternal | I haven't had much time to work on docs the past few weeks with a super busy school schedule | 09:10 |
| cbx33 | heheh np nixternal | 09:10 |
| nixternal | I promise to put in some doc work this weekend | 09:10 |
| highvoltage | hi froud | 09:10 |
| RichEd | no problem nixternal ... we've all been busy kicking off 2007 | 09:10 |
| nixternal | I am doing Kubuntu docs as well, and I am the only one doing that, so bear with me the next few weeks, I will promise I will try to not let anyone down :) | 09:10 |
| froud | highvoltage: the meet here or at #ubuntu-meeting | 09:11 |
| nixternal | RichEd: if you have any ideas/plans you want implemented with the Handbook, just highlight me, or email me (nixternal@ubuntu.com) and I will address them as soon as I can | 09:11 |
| highvoltage | froud: #ubuntu-meeting | 09:11 |
| nixternal | I need to head off, so I will chat with you all in a bit, during my dinner break tonight | 09:12 |
| RichEd | thanks ... will do | 09:12 |
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| cbx33 | hey UbaGeek | 09:28 |
| cbx33 | we can talk here | 09:28 |
| cbx33 | the meeting is in session so here is preferred | 09:28 |
| UbaGeek | hey dude | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | howz it going? | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | I'm normally in here pretty much always | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | guys meet UbaGeek, he's a Youth LUG founding member | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | and helps me out a lot | 09:29 |
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| cbx33 | and....yup youg uessed it...he runs linux exclusivly | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | hehe | 09:29 |
| cbx33 | UbaGeek, what you need to do now is register your nickname | 09:30 |
| UbaGeek | how | 09:30 |
| cbx33 | UbaGeek, type this | 09:30 |
| cbx33 | /msg nickserv help register | 09:31 |
| RichEd | hi UbaGeek ... greetz from Cape Town, South Africa | 09:33 |
| cbx33 | RichEd, did you get my pm? | 09:34 |
| UbaGeek | hey dude | 09:34 |
| RichEd | checking now ... too many /msg windows | 09:34 |
| cbx33 | haha | 09:34 |
| cbx33 | UbaGeek, did you get it registered? | 09:34 |
| UbaGeek | i hope so | 09:35 |
| UbaGeek | at least i think | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | ok | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | so now when ever you sign onto irc | 09:35 |
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| cbx33 | do /msg nickserv identify <password> | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | remeber to do the / | 09:35 |
| UbaGeek | ok | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | else your password will be put up on screen for everyone to see | 09:35 |
| UbaGeek | right | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | /msg nickserv identify edubuntufan911 | 09:36 |
| highvoltage | :p | 09:36 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | nooooo | 09:37 |
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| LNS | hey guys! | 10:21 |
| highvoltage | hey LNS | 10:21 |
| LNS | Can anyone tell me real quick if I should update the LTSP environment if I'm using 6.06LTS and I haven't moved to 6.10, but there were 239 updates installed on the server? | 10:21 |
| LNS | All I can find is that you should update LTSP env. if you move from version to version. | 10:22 |
| highvoltage | afaik there's no major benefit in upgrading the chroot at the moment. probably some fixes in LDM, but I suggest you hang around, ogra ould tell you for sure | 10:22 |
| LNS | awesome...thanks highvoltage =) | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | LNS: :) | 10:23 |
| LNS | 'hoping these updates will give me printing to our HPLJ 1000 via usb...having issues at the moment so i thought i'd apt-getallthedamnupdates =) | 10:23 |
| highvoltage | heh | 10:24 |
| LNS | Anyone try Edubuntu on one of those brand new HP proliant servers? The thing is crazy...redundant power supplies, the whole deal..wish i had the model handy | 10:27 |
| LNS | dual xeon 3.2ghz | 10:27 |
| LNS | 8gb ram | 10:27 |
| LNS | ahh..it's an HP ML370G5 | 10:28 |
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| rodarvus | willvdl, do you want to discuss about yelp tomorrow? | 11:03 |
| rodarvus | (I'll be here for a little while still, depends if you still have some steam) | 11:04 |
| pips1 | willvdl: so... what time suits you tomorrow? for me, afternoon is better | 11:04 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, that would be cool. I'm not that familiar with yelp | 11:04 |
| willvdl | but the moodle stuff doesn't worry me at all | 11:04 |
| rodarvus | *nods* | 11:05 |
| pips1 | ogra: any news from Jordan on edubuntu-menus-completion ? | 11:05 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, have meeting at 12 UTC so afternoon | 11:05 |
| ogra | pips1, nope | 11:05 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, thanks, would appreciate it | 11:06 |
| ogra | pips1, but i'd rather see him focusing on main inclusion for the second CD | 11:06 |
| pips1 | in the spec Jordan writes that he is being held up by a gnome bug... the conversation in the bug tracker is kind of slow... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374577 | 11:07 |
| rodarvus | 12UTC is bad for me (I'll have car insurance schedule by then) - would you mind doing one hour earlier? (or one hour later) | 11:07 |
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| ogra | pips1, sounds rather like "rejected" | 11:08 |
| pips1 | ogra: yeah | 11:08 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, I'm tied at 12 UTC so either way | 11:08 |
| rodarvus | lets do 13UTC, then | 11:09 |
| willvdl | cool. should be done by then | 11:09 |
| pips1 | ogra: has Jordan been around lately? you in touch? | 11:09 |
| ogra | we talked very shortly recently ... i otiifed him about the secod CD | 11:10 |
| ogra | *second | 11:10 |
| pips1 | ic | 11:10 |
| ogra | *no ti fi ed | 11:10 |
| ogra | tsk | 11:10 |
| pips1 | hehe | 11:10 |
| pips1 | it was readable :) | 11:10 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, can moodel be used as decentish email server? | 11:10 |
| pips1 | i otiifed | 11:10 |
| ogra | willvdl, no | 11:10 |
| rodarvus | hmm? | 11:10 |
| rodarvus | no :) | 11:10 |
| willvdl | ogra :) | 11:11 |
| === willvdl remebers previous discussion | ||
| rodarvus | moodle is just a CMS | 11:11 |
| ogra | but it can make use of a decent email server runing on the same machine | 11:11 |
| ogra | i think there is a webmail and an imap module | 11:11 |
| rodarvus | it needs the whole backend to work: database, web server, email server, etc | 11:11 |
| willvdl | sorry, mean groupware rather (which is a leading definition) | 11:11 |
| ogra | you can easily run it without email setup | 11:11 |
| rodarvus | ahn | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | willvdl: what sort of groupware are you needing though? | 11:12 |
| rodarvus | willvdl, I'm not sure it has a decent groupware plugin | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | email, calendar, etc? | 11:12 |
| rodarvus | I'd say "not", but moodle has surprised me in many (positive) ways until now | 11:12 |
| willvdl | but can handle calenders, addressbook etc.? | 11:12 |
| ogra | ajmitch, something that looks like hula but wors | 11:12 |
| ogra | *works | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | haha | 11:12 |
| rodarvus | the default modules are overall good quality | 11:12 |
| pips1 | hihi | 11:12 |
| rodarvus | 3rd party, not so good, most of the times | 11:12 |
| === ajmitch is biased towards phpgroupware | ||
| willvdl | ajmitch, short story is I'm fishing for a good exchange replacement to suggest for backend solutions | 11:13 |
| ogra | rodarvus, well, third party is often written by teachers with a "php in 30 days" handy ... | 11:13 |
| rodarvus | ogra, indeed | 11:13 |
| pips1 | willvdl: there isn't one | 11:13 |
| rodarvus | willvdl, I don't think moodle would be your best choice on this field | 11:13 |
| pips1 | agreed | 11:13 |
| rodarvus | moodle really shines in easing the creation of new courses (and the whole environment around it) | 11:14 |
| willvdl | I must make the time to install and run moodle... | 11:14 |
| ogra | willvdl, lotus :P | 11:14 |
| rodarvus | hula would be grand - if it was ready | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | willvdl: as I said, I'm biased towards phpgroupware, but I know the upstream developers & have done some work on it :) | 11:14 |
| pips1 | moodle is completely focussed around the concept of a *course* | 11:14 |
| willvdl | hula looks good but that is all | 11:14 |
| ogra | hula is a gag ... | 11:15 |
| rodarvus | willvdl, hula is far from being complete - or even useable | 11:15 |
| willvdl | ajmitch, would help if we had something to suggest that wasn't only universe supported :) | 11:15 |
| ogra | willvdl, we dont | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | willvdl: pfft | 11:15 |
| willvdl | hula lacks client support | 11:15 |
| ogra | there simply is nothing we support in that area | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | willvdl: it's packaged by a core dev, is that good enough? ;) | 11:15 |
| willvdl | I mean, it's fine to run an email server in a corporate/org backend | 11:16 |
| ogra | i always thought it shuld be an edub untu duty to bring it to main and care for it though ... | 11:16 |
| ogra | but i cant do everything :) | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | ogra: well if you want me to push it to main, I can try :) | 11:16 |
| ogra | ajmitch, what exactly ? | 11:16 |
| willvdl | ogra, not specific to edubuntu | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | phpgroupware, in this case | 11:16 |
| ogra | i wont care for phpgroupware | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | I would | 11:16 |
| ogra | moodle in main is scary enough for three releases | 11:17 |
| willvdl | ajmitch, how does it scale? | 11:17 |
| ogra | or four | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | quite well, I know people using it with several thousand users | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | not sure how many concurrent logins | 11:17 |
| pips1 | :-O | 11:17 |
| ogra | willvdl, specific to edubuntu i think we need to integrate something like a groupware server at some point | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | ogra: I own the package in debian, I know it well enough | 11:17 |
| pips1 | ogra: why? | 11:18 |
| ogra | does it work properly with postgres ? | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | I do need to rip out wwwconfig-common & a few things, it's been on my todo list for awhile | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | yes, postgres, mysql, oracle, even mssql | 11:18 |
| ogra | pips1, a user request i often get | 11:18 |
| willvdl | ogra, I suspect the same rquirements for education in groupware are the same for ubuntu users | 11:18 |
| pips1 | educators ask for groupware ? | 11:18 |
| ogra | right | 11:18 |
| ogra | pips1, yep | 11:19 |
| pips1 | or school admin staff ask for groupware ? | 11:19 |
| willvdl | ajmitch, oracle huh? which versions? | 11:19 |
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| willvdl | pips1, education departments do | 11:19 |
| pips1 | right | 11:19 |
| willvdl | ajmitch, I can push that one hopefully | 11:19 |
| ogra | willvdl, all datatbases through odbc i guess ... even oracle :) | 11:20 |
| ogra | (if you dont find a native plugin unixodbc is your friend) | 11:20 |
| === willvdl has had good experience with odbc | ||
| pips1 | well, schooltool wants to fill the gap... it's just been a vexed project, though :-( | 11:21 |
| willvdl | pips1, consider a government wanting a national rollout, with school admin, staff emails, calenders etc | 11:22 |
| willvdl | schooltool will bridge that SIF question in time and that will be great | 11:22 |
| pips1 | I know about SIF, but what do you mean with 'SIF question' | 11:23 |
| willvdl | I honestly believe that a groupware solution without client support is a serious downer | 11:23 |
| pips1 | ? | 11:23 |
| pips1 | with client support you mean evolution? | 11:23 |
| rodarvus | gotta leave, see you guys tomorrow! | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | bye rodarvus :) | 11:23 |
| willvdl | pips1, meaning making full use of it etc. | 11:23 |
| willvdl | rodarvus, ciao | 11:24 |
| pips1 | cu rodarvus | 11:24 |
| rodarvus | *waves* | 11:24 |
| pips1 | willvdl: do you mean a desktop client (i.e. ms outlook, i.e. evolution) to access your emails/calendars/todo items/... ? | 11:25 |
| willvdl | pips1, yes | 11:25 |
| willvdl | client integration more like it | 11:25 |
| ogra | willvdl, odbc is a scary insecure thing, but has the advantage that it wrks nearly everywhere ... | 11:25 |
| willvdl | ogra, providing nobody tries to do something innovative with SQL | 11:26 |
| ogra | heh | 11:26 |
| willvdl | pips1, the thing being, if you don't have network, you can still see your calender | 11:26 |
| pips1 | well, I don't think having a desktop client is important (i.e. I can imagine a usable AJAX style browser interface), but I think *desktop integration* is important (i.e. drag-and-drop of files, notifications, etc) | 11:27 |
| willvdl | The web may be moving to google and ajax and whatever, but most of us don't have the web in a reliable fashion | 11:27 |
| pips1 | right | 11:28 |
| pips1 | i see your point | 11:28 |
| willvdl | take for example a corporate LAN that goes down for an hour. you need to see you email/calender | 11:28 |
| pips1 | hmm right | 11:28 |
| willvdl | Internet is a first world luxury :) | 11:28 |
| pips1 | well, as you said, *reliable* internet connectivity is... | 11:29 |
| pips1 | even LAN, if I take your word | 11:29 |
| pips1 | :) | 11:29 |
| willvdl | :) | 11:29 |
| willvdl | it happens | 11:30 |
| willvdl | pips1, take a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap if you get a chance | 11:30 |
| willvdl | it links to a page structure I was working on | 11:30 |
| willvdl | look and feel not perfect at all | 11:30 |
| pips1 | *click* | 11:30 |
| willvdl | but it is an attempt to move the bits and pieces together | 11:30 |
| willvdl | i.e. from www, old wiki pages etc. | 11:31 |
| willvdl | trying to consolidate. eventually I would like the Launchpad stuff to go to LP help pages or reference then when they get written | 11:31 |
| pips1 | hmm | 11:32 |
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| willvdl | completely open to change/suggestion | 11:33 |
| willvdl | e.g. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Community would need to look and read better | 11:34 |
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| npnutn | Greetings, all. | 11:34 |
| pips1 | generally it helps to name content for browsing in the way "the user thinks", i.e. in terms of the user's *goals* and subsequently, in terms of actions/tasks one has to do to achieve your goal ? | 11:34 |
| pips1 | I like "GetInvolved" | 11:35 |
| willvdl | uhuh | 11:35 |
| pips1 | I don't like "Photos" | 11:35 |
| willvdl | I had to think hard about wikinames :) | 11:36 |
| willvdl | and hope that a good Community start page would help | 11:36 |
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| willvdl | "GetInvolved" needs more info and links | 11:37 |
| pips1 | oops, these pages all exist already | 11:37 |
| pips1 | 8-O | 11:37 |
| willvdl | I'd like to avoid too many links to the same page, just in case the link moves or changes info | 11:38 |
| npnutn | I see ogra in the room. Perhaps other will know as well. What is the status of sound for LTSP thin clients on Edgy? Any luck with Flash yet? | 11:40 |
| ogra | should work fine | 11:41 |
| ogra | at least it did when i tested it last ... | 11:41 |
| npnutn | Hmmm. | 11:41 |
| npnutn | My results have been.... mixed. | 11:41 |
| willvdl | folks, off to bed. ciao | 11:42 |
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| ogra | npnutn, well, at least i can promise that all sound related issues are solved in feisty | 11:43 |
| pips1 | npnutn: supporting flash-sound for a local workstation and supporting it for thin clients shouldn't be any different? | 11:43 |
| ogra | we switched to pulseaudio with alsa emulation ... | 11:43 |
| ogra | which is classes better than any former remote sound implementation | 11:43 |
| ogra | (including full volume control, recording etc) | 11:44 |
| npnutn | Very nice. I've heard good things about pulse. I haven't tried Feisty yet... | 11:44 |
| npnutn | ... I haven't heard much about stability with it. (?) Recording, you say? | 11:45 |
| ogra | i havent got the magic running to set the local mixer for the right input device on the client | 11:48 |
| ogra | but if you tweak it manually, you can actually record from an attached mic | 11:48 |
| ogra | ofr feisty volume control and stability were my main focused parts | 11:49 |
| ogra | if we dont have magically sound recording ready before feisty+1 i wont cry about it | 11:49 |
| ogra | the base is there ... and it improved a lot beyond esd | 11:50 |
| npnutn | Nice. Should be good for folks wanting VoIP and such. | 11:50 |
| ogra | yep | 11:51 |
| npnutn | ogra: did I see you on the list of devs for a "fat-client" package? | 11:51 |
| ogra | puse just emulates an alsa card ... so everythng just picks it up... | 11:51 |
| ogra | yes | 11:51 |
| ogra | but i cant promise yet that fat clients will happen this release | 11:51 |
| ogra | they depend on network authenticatio which i'm just implementing | 11:52 |
| ogra | so only if i make it with this feature in time i can move on to the next | 11:52 |
| npnutn | :) Just the fact that it is in the works is cool. What auth. method? PAM/LDAP? | 11:52 |
| ogra | yep | 11:53 |
| ogra | probably CIFS | 11:53 |
| ogra | bt pam ldap for sure | 11:53 |
| pips1 | \o/ | 11:53 |
| ogra | if i ever get over my shock with udev ... | 11:53 |
| pips1 | heh | 11:54 |
| npnutn | ;) | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | ogra: udev doing that would be libnss-ldap playing up, I thought | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | and it should have a very low timeout setting at the moment | 11:55 |
| ogra | it has | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | what is udev doing then? | 11:56 |
| ogra | well, /etc/nsswitch.conf told it to try ldap and then compat ... | 11:57 |
| ogra | it looped through nss-ldap requests ... | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | it shoudl have tried ldap, timed out quickly, and then moved on | 11:57 |
| ogra | with "cant find ldap server ldap://127.0.0.1" | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | I was testing it at UDS, it didn't delay bootup that much | 11:57 |
| ogra | it hung in an endless loop | 11:57 |
| ogra | even in single user mode | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | hm, unless it's trying to repeatedly lookup numerous uids/gids | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | that's rather annoying | 11:58 |
| ogra | i had to wipe /etc/nsswitch.conf from a liveCD to get in again | 11:58 |
| ogra | passwd: ldap compat | 11:59 |
| ogra | group: ldap compat | 11:59 |
| ogra | thats all i changed | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if compat ldap would work better | 11:59 |
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| ajmitch | yeah, my code was appending it, so it became 'compat ldap' | 12:00 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | maybe why I've had less problems | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | anyway, I have to run out, back later | 12:00 |
| ogra | what happens if you have a group in both | 12:00 |
| ogra | i.e fuse would be a candidate ... which would it take ... | 12:01 |
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