[02:49] <nofxx> Hi, I'm having problems with LTSP..booting 64 bits machines...  anyone sucessful booting 64 bits thu PXE?
[02:50] <nofxx> I was using ubuntu.. gonna try edubuntu now...
[02:51] <bddebian> Heya
[02:53] <nofxx> ruoeiwurowqeueiwouwerewpioruwqeruoieuqwr
[02:53] <nofxx> ops...sorry
[02:59] <nofxx> what's the difference "install to hard disk"  and  "install a worstation"  in the edubuntu cd?
[03:09] <nofxx> hm..after install to hard disk it says "Decompressing Linux...Done" "Booting the kernel" ... and stops...
[03:09] <nofxx> I can write with the keyboard...hum...what I'm not doiing ?
[08:02] <RichEd> morning all
[08:19] <highvoltage> morning RichEd
[08:20] <RichEd> hey highvoltage
[08:20] <RichEd> gotta minute for me ?
[08:33] <RichEd> ping highvoltage : are you very busy ?
[08:37] <posingaspopular> room: i need some help. anyone available?
[08:38] <RichEd> posingaspopular: that's a bit general - ask your question ... and see who responds
[08:40] <posingaspopular> I have a d-link dI-541 wireless router and I need a wireclass that will support edubuntu and the wireless
[08:44] <RichEd> posingaspopular: does your default edbuntu install not pick up a vaild signal ?
[08:45] <posingaspopular> RichEd: I don't have a wireless card yet. I need to buy one.
[08:46] <RichEd> Ahh ... okay. I've only used built-it wireless, and have never had any hasles. The issue is more related to the ubuntu core than to the edubuntu variant ... I suggest you ask on #ubuntu where there are many more people active.
[08:46] <RichEd> *built-in
[08:48] <posingaspopular> RichEd: thanks. I built my computer myself and never got around to buying a card. my main computer is being used all the time and I need to do HW so I need my personal computer to connect wirelessly
[08:48] <RichEd> what country are you in ? do you have a wide range of options to buy from ?
[08:52] <posingaspopular> states. i duno about options, ive just decided to buy it and im trying to do preliminary research
[08:53] <RichEd> Well if ask in #ubuntu ... you'll get quite a few stateside people there ... some of who will have had personal experience.
[08:54] <posingaspopular> RichEd: thanks, im in there now
[08:55] <highvoltage> RichEd: sorry, I'm back now
[08:56] <RichEd> highvoltage: no problem :) i'll msg you
[08:56] <highvoltage> ok
[10:00] <SiCk> ello one and all
[10:02] <highvoltage> 'ello SiCk
[10:04] <SiCk> how's you?
[10:27] <willvdl> highvoltage, installing freedom toaster. Did You Know it runs off a Breezy server install?
[10:44] <m300107> &bindaddr=127.0.0.1:8118
[10:46] <highvoltage> willvdl: nope
[10:46] <highvoltage> willvdl: although I had a vague idea it did
[10:47] <highvoltage> willvdl: I've never touched FT software before though
[10:48] <willvdl> trying now quick. jsut worried about HW compatability for new chipsets (it didn't find my NIC)
[10:53] <willvdl> http://allafrica.com/stories/200701250138.html
[11:10] <willvdl> highvoltage, what linux OS is likely to run on a P1, 32Mb Ram? (standalone)
[11:12] <highvoltage> willvdl: Debian 2.0 ;)
[11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: you can get Linux to boot on a PC with 32MB RAM, but if you're looking for a full distrbution with X and everthing, I doubt that the PC will still be of much use
[11:13] <willvdl> yeah. shame, got a guy in Indonesia who received CD's through ShipIt but his hardware is soooo old
[11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: it might still be useful as a smoothwall box though
[11:13] <highvoltage> willvdl: http://www.smoothwall.org
[11:13] <willvdl> erm, I don't think they guy has much need for a firewall :)
[11:15] <RichEd> hi will ... did you respond tio my request and comments in the other channel ? news and nigeria
[11:25] <cbx33> ogra: go on
[11:25] <cbx33> call me a genius
[11:26] <cbx33> we now no longer need crippled_des.py
[11:27] <cbx33> license problem over
[11:36] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: please behave yourself this time
[11:36] <edubuntugirl> <sad face> ok </sad face>
[11:36] <jsgotangco> hello
[11:38] <m310107> Hi, sorry to interrupt, I'm looking for instructions on how to install a thin client (old machine) with a 3GB hard drive. I can't find any decent instructions on the edubuntu webpage. Can someone help? Thanks
[11:39] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco
[11:39] <highvoltage> m310107: hi, does the computer have a PXE capable network card installed?
[11:40] <highvoltage> m310107: this should be able to help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
[11:45] <m310107> thanks, no i don' think the bios will support pxe boot, its an old box. I'd have to install a boot image that sorts this out. thx for the url.
[11:50] <m310107> Thx. Am using Ubuntu 6.10 for the server, so this info looks just right.
[11:55] <ogra> cbx33++
[12:08] <willvdl> highvoltage, is it you that adds all these thingies to edubuntugirl?
[12:20] <cbx33> ogra: will send you along the source and the book chapter...
[12:20] <cbx33> and I'm gonna have a night off tonight
[12:21] <cbx33> i don't know why on earth they didn't bother doing that in the first place with the pyvnc2swf viewer
[12:21] <cbx33> it's not exactly hard
[12:21] <cbx33> and it seems to work fine
[12:56] <highvoltage> willvdl: I add some of the thingies, yes :)
[01:10] <SiCk> cbx33, have you a minute? i've a question... :)
[01:11] <SiCk> just a quicky
[01:11] <SiCk> well, for anyone really... i'm trying to install gdm and firefox via apt-get to my chroot, and i'm getting couldnt find package
[01:12] <SiCk> tried moving sources.list over from the normal /etc/apt/ then running apt-get update, it hits everything but i still get couldnt find package... any ideas?
[01:21] <SiCk> yaay
[01:21] <SiCk> nevermind, was missing something stupid
[01:22] <SiCk> chroot $ROOT being the main stupid thing
[01:54] <SiCk> anyone know how to set the screen res on certain clients?
[01:56] <SiCk> i have a kiosk situation set-up and the firefox --fullscreen is only taking up a portion of the screen
[02:07] <SiCk> nevermind.. got it i think heh... what a bit of research does for you eh?
[02:47] <juliux> highvoltage, ping
[02:52] <paolob> Hi ogra, I'm seen that in the last weeks the file /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has changed, now it has a "if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) condition. What is it? thank you
[02:59] <highvoltage> juliux: pong
[03:00] <highvoltage> paolob: I haven't seen it myself, but I would guess it's so that the server can figure out whether the client is booting from PXE or Etherboot firmware
[03:05] <juliux> highvoltage, did you think you can add a link to the edubuntu weekend in feb in germany in the topic?
[03:11] <highvoltage> ef
[03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: of course
[03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: can you please mail me the details?
[03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: jonathan@ubuntu.com
[03:11] <juliux> highvoltage, yes
[03:11] <highvoltage> juliux: sounds like fun!
[03:12] <highvoltage> juliux: what is edubuntu weekend about? I guess I can just hold on a bit for that mail :)
[03:12] <juliux> highvoltage, we will have a network with around 25-30 clients and several servers, one part is to test different server and document the reatkion from the user
[03:13] <juliux> highvoltage, another part is only so see where a beginer has problems to setup a sever
[03:14] <juliux> and we will use it as a get together;)
[03:22] <sbalneav> Morning all!!!
[03:22] <cbx33> ping ogra
[03:22] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!!
[03:22] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 too!
[03:22] <cbx33> hey highvoltage sbalneav
[03:22] <sbalneav> Morning highvoltage cbx33
[03:31] <juliux> highvoltage, should i write you an e-mail?
[03:38] <highvoltage> juliux: that would be good
[03:38] <juliux> highvoltage, ok
[03:39] <juliux> highvoltage, i will also write an announcend on -devel and -user in the next days
[03:44] <highvoltage> juliux: great, then we can link to that too
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya
[03:46] <highvoltage> heya bddebian
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi highvoltage
[03:46] <highvoltage> bddebian: do you still think you are a God? If so, can you please make my i915 graphics problems dissapear? :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Uhm I have never thought I was a God.  A Dog maybe but far from a God :-)
[03:47] <highvoltage> ah I see, the wiki page changed!
[03:50] <bddebian> Did it?
[03:58] <highvoltage> yep
[05:35] <nixternal> hey you guys!
[05:35] <nixternal> </chunk voice>
[05:39] <sbalneav> Chunk voice?
[05:39] <sbalneav> Campbells chunky voice soup?
[05:42] <SimonAnibal> I believe it's a Goonies reference
[05:44] <cbx33> ping ogra get my mail?
[06:38] <highvoltage> win 19
[06:39] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[06:39] <cbx33> win 19?
[06:40] <highvoltage> hi cbx33
[06:40] <highvoltage> I escaped my / accidentally
[06:40] <highvoltage> meant to type /win 19 in irssi :)
[06:41] <cbx33> ahh
[06:41] <cbx33> what does taht do in irssi?
[06:41] <highvoltage> changes to channel #19
[06:42] <highvoltage> irssi has a 'window' for each channel, so you change to window 19 to see, #launchpad, for example
[06:47] <cbx33> anyone answer this question for me?
[06:47] <cbx33> I have a php page with some html ssi includes
[06:47] <cbx33> it doesn't work...
[06:47] <cbx33> can it be made to?
[06:49] <cbx33> I presume it's because it's getting parsed by php first
[06:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: how does ssi work again? doesn't it execute local scripts in your pages? if so, you could use exec in php, right?
[06:50] <cbx33> yeh
[06:50] <cbx33> i could
[07:20] <bdoin> Nepali fights OLPC from the inside, http://www.olpcnews.com/  GCompris taken as hostage
[07:30] <cbx33> hmm....since updating today X seems to be crashing a lot
[08:47] <cbx33> [08:53] <highvoltage> my responses might be a bit slow.. eatin an ice cream tht's melting faster than I can eat
[08:54] <stgraber> :) It should be warmer than here in that case :)
[08:54] <stgraber> No risk that would happen here :)
[08:57] <cbx33> [08:59] <pips1> hi everybody
[08:59] <RichEd> hi pips1 :)
[08:59] <highvoltage> hi pips1
[09:00] <pips1> hey, i didn't see you there, highvoltage :-)
[09:00] <highvoltage> understandable, I was just out to clean all the chocolate
[09:00] <pips1> huh?
[09:00] <cbx33> [09:01] <pips1> clean all the chocolate?
[09:01] <highvoltage> pips1: I just ate an ice cream that melted quicker than I could eat it, ended up being quite messy
[09:01] <pips1> :)
[09:01] <pips1> ahhh summer
[09:09] <froud> hi highvoltage
[09:10] <nixternal> sorry for going out of sequence on my post in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:10] <nixternal> I haven't had much time to work on docs the past few weeks with a super busy school schedule
[09:10] <cbx33> heheh np nixternal
[09:10] <nixternal> I promise to put in some doc work this weekend
[09:10] <highvoltage> hi froud
[09:10] <RichEd> no problem nixternal ... we've all been busy kicking off 2007
[09:10] <nixternal> I am doing Kubuntu docs as well, and I am the only one doing that, so bear with me the next few weeks, I will promise I will try to not let anyone down :)
[09:11] <froud> highvoltage: the meet here or at #ubuntu-meeting
[09:11] <nixternal> RichEd: if you have any ideas/plans you want implemented with the Handbook, just highlight me, or email me (nixternal@ubuntu.com) and I will address them as soon as I can
[09:11] <highvoltage> froud: #ubuntu-meeting
[09:12] <nixternal> I need to head off, so I will chat with you all in a bit, during my dinner break tonight
[09:12] <RichEd> thanks ... will do
[09:28] <cbx33> hey UbaGeek
[09:28] <cbx33> we can talk here
[09:28] <cbx33> the meeting is in session so here is preferred
[09:29] <UbaGeek> hey dude
[09:29] <cbx33> howz it going?
[09:29] <cbx33> I'm normally in here pretty much always
[09:29] <cbx33> guys meet UbaGeek, he's a Youth LUG founding member
[09:29] <cbx33> and helps me out a lot
[09:29] <cbx33> and....yup youg uessed it...he runs linux exclusivly
[09:29] <cbx33> hehe
[09:30] <cbx33> UbaGeek, what you need to do now is register your nickname
[09:30] <UbaGeek> how
[09:30] <cbx33> UbaGeek, type this
[09:31] <cbx33>  /msg nickserv help register
[09:33] <RichEd> hi UbaGeek ... greetz from Cape Town, South Africa
[09:34] <cbx33> RichEd, did you get my pm?
[09:34] <UbaGeek> hey dude
[09:34] <RichEd> checking now ... too many /msg windows
[09:34] <cbx33> haha
[09:34] <cbx33> UbaGeek, did you get it registered?
[09:35] <UbaGeek> i hope so
[09:35] <UbaGeek> at least i think
[09:35] <cbx33> ok
[09:35] <cbx33> so now when ever you sign onto irc
[09:35] <cbx33> do /msg nickserv identify <password>
[09:35] <cbx33> remeber to do the /
[09:35] <UbaGeek> ok
[09:35] <cbx33> else your password will be put up on screen for everyone to see
[09:36] <UbaGeek> right
[09:36] <highvoltage>  /msg nickserv identify edubuntufan911
[09:36] <highvoltage> :p
[09:37] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:37] <cbx33> nooooo
[10:21] <LNS> hey guys!
[10:21] <highvoltage> hey LNS
[10:21] <LNS> Can anyone tell me real quick if I should update the LTSP environment if I'm using 6.06LTS and I haven't moved to 6.10, but there were 239 updates installed on the server?
[10:22] <LNS> All I can find is that you should update LTSP env. if you move from version to version.
[10:22] <highvoltage> afaik there's no major benefit in upgrading the chroot at the moment. probably some fixes in LDM, but I suggest you hang around, ogra ould tell you for sure
[10:23] <LNS> awesome...thanks highvoltage =)
[10:23] <highvoltage> LNS: :)
[10:23] <LNS> 'hoping these updates will give me printing to our HPLJ 1000 via usb...having issues at the moment so i thought i'd apt-getallthedamnupdates =)
[10:24] <highvoltage> heh
[10:27] <LNS> Anyone try Edubuntu on one of those brand new HP proliant servers? The thing is crazy...redundant power supplies, the whole deal..wish i had the model handy
[10:27] <LNS> dual xeon 3.2ghz
[10:27] <LNS> 8gb ram
[10:28] <LNS> ahh..it's an HP ML370G5
[11:03] <rodarvus> willvdl, do you want to discuss about yelp tomorrow?
[11:04] <rodarvus> (I'll be here for a little while still, depends if you still have some steam)
[11:04] <pips1> willvdl: so... what time suits you tomorrow? for me, afternoon is better
[11:04] <willvdl> rodarvus, that would be cool. I'm not that familiar with yelp
[11:04] <willvdl> but the moodle stuff doesn't worry me at all
[11:05] <rodarvus> *nods*
[11:05] <pips1> ogra: any news from Jordan on edubuntu-menus-completion ?
[11:05] <willvdl> rodarvus, have meeting at 12 UTC so afternoon
[11:05] <ogra> pips1, nope
[11:06] <willvdl> rodarvus, thanks, would appreciate it
[11:06] <ogra> pips1, but i'd rather see him focusing on main inclusion for the second CD
[11:07] <pips1> in the spec Jordan writes that he is being held up by a gnome bug... the conversation in the bug tracker is kind of slow... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=374577
[11:07] <rodarvus> 12UTC is bad for me (I'll have car insurance schedule by then) - would you mind doing one hour earlier? (or one hour later)
[11:08] <ogra> pips1, sounds rather like "rejected"
[11:08] <pips1> ogra: yeah
[11:08] <willvdl> rodarvus, I'm tied at 12 UTC so either way
[11:09] <rodarvus> lets do 13UTC, then
[11:09] <willvdl> cool. should be done by then
[11:09] <pips1> ogra: has Jordan been around lately? you in touch?
[11:10] <ogra> we talked very shortly recently ... i otiifed him about the secod CD
[11:10] <ogra> *second
[11:10] <pips1> ic
[11:10] <ogra> *no ti fi ed
[11:10] <ogra> tsk
[11:10] <pips1> hehe
[11:10] <pips1> it was readable :)
[11:10] <willvdl> rodarvus, can moodel be used as decentish email server?
[11:10] <pips1> i otiifed
[11:10] <ogra> willvdl, no
[11:10] <rodarvus> hmm?
[11:10] <rodarvus> no :)
[11:11] <willvdl> ogra :)
[11:11] <rodarvus> moodle is just a CMS
[11:11] <ogra> but it can make use of a decent email server runing on the same machine
[11:11] <ogra> i think there is a webmail and an imap module
[11:11] <rodarvus> it needs the whole backend  to work: database, web server, email server, etc
[11:11] <willvdl> sorry, mean groupware rather (which is a leading definition)
[11:11] <ogra> you can easily run it without email setup
[11:11] <rodarvus> ahn
[11:12] <ajmitch> willvdl: what sort of groupware are you needing though?
[11:12] <rodarvus> willvdl, I'm not sure it has a decent groupware plugin
[11:12] <ajmitch> email, calendar, etc?
[11:12] <rodarvus> I'd say "not", but moodle has surprised me in many (positive) ways until now
[11:12] <willvdl> but can handle calenders, addressbook etc.?
[11:12] <ogra> ajmitch, something that looks like hula but wors
[11:12] <ogra> *works
[11:12] <ajmitch> haha
[11:12] <rodarvus> the default modules are overall good quality
[11:12] <pips1> hihi
[11:12] <rodarvus> 3rd party, not so good, most of the times
[11:13] <willvdl> ajmitch, short story is I'm fishing for a good exchange replacement to suggest for backend solutions
[11:13] <ogra> rodarvus, well, third party is often written by teachers with a "php in 30 days" handy ...
[11:13] <rodarvus> ogra, indeed
[11:13] <pips1> willvdl: there isn't one
[11:13] <rodarvus> willvdl, I don't think moodle would be your best choice on this field
[11:13] <pips1> agreed
[11:14] <rodarvus> moodle really shines in easing the creation of new courses (and the whole environment around it)
[11:14] <willvdl> I must make the time to install and run moodle...
[11:14] <ogra> willvdl, lotus :P
[11:14] <rodarvus> hula would be grand - if it was ready
[11:14] <ajmitch> willvdl: as I said, I'm biased towards phpgroupware, but I know the upstream developers & have done some work on it :)
[11:14] <pips1> moodle is completely focussed around the concept of a *course*
[11:14] <willvdl> hula looks good but that is all
[11:15] <ogra> hula is a gag ...
[11:15] <rodarvus> willvdl, hula is far from being complete - or even useable
[11:15] <willvdl> ajmitch, would help if we had something to suggest that wasn't only universe supported :)
[11:15] <ogra> willvdl, we dont
[11:15] <ajmitch> willvdl: pfft
[11:15] <willvdl> hula lacks client support
[11:15] <ogra> there simply is nothing we support in that area
[11:15] <ajmitch> willvdl: it's packaged by a core dev, is that good enough? ;)
[11:16] <willvdl> I mean, it's fine to run an email server in a corporate/org backend
[11:16] <ogra> i always thought it shuld be an edub untu duty to bring it to main and care for it though ...
[11:16] <ogra> but i cant do everything :)
[11:16] <ajmitch> ogra: well if you want me to push it to main, I can try :)
[11:16] <ogra> ajmitch, what exactly ?
[11:16] <willvdl> ogra, not specific to edubuntu
[11:16] <ajmitch> phpgroupware, in this case
[11:16] <ogra> i wont care for phpgroupware
[11:16] <ajmitch> I would
[11:17] <ogra> moodle in main is scary enough for three releases
[11:17] <willvdl> ajmitch, how does it scale?
[11:17] <ogra> or four
[11:17] <ajmitch> quite well, I know people using it with several thousand users
[11:17] <ajmitch> not sure how many concurrent logins
[11:17] <pips1> :-O
[11:17] <ogra> willvdl, specific to edubuntu i think we need to integrate something like a groupware server at some point
[11:17] <ajmitch> ogra: I own the package in debian, I know it well enough
[11:18] <pips1> ogra: why?
[11:18] <ogra> does it work properly with postgres ?
[11:18] <ajmitch> I do need to rip out wwwconfig-common & a few things, it's been on my todo list for awhile
[11:18] <ajmitch> yes, postgres, mysql, oracle, even mssql
[11:18] <ogra> pips1, a user request i often get
[11:18] <willvdl> ogra, I suspect the same rquirements for education in groupware are the same for ubuntu users
[11:18] <pips1> educators ask for groupware ?
[11:18] <ogra> right
[11:19] <ogra> pips1, yep
[11:19] <pips1> or school admin staff ask for groupware ?
[11:19] <willvdl> ajmitch, oracle huh? which versions?
[11:19] <willvdl> pips1, education departments do
[11:19] <pips1> right
[11:19] <willvdl> ajmitch, I can push that one hopefully
[11:20] <ogra> willvdl, all datatbases through odbc i guess ... even oracle :)
[11:20] <ogra> (if you dont find a native plugin unixodbc is your friend)
[11:21] <pips1> well, schooltool wants to fill the gap... it's just been a vexed project, though :-(
[11:22] <willvdl> pips1, consider a government wanting a national rollout, with school admin, staff emails, calenders etc
[11:22] <willvdl> schooltool will bridge that SIF question in time and that will be great
[11:23] <pips1> I know about SIF, but what do you mean with 'SIF question'
[11:23] <willvdl> I honestly believe that a groupware solution without client support is a serious downer
[11:23] <pips1> ?
[11:23] <pips1> with client support you mean evolution?
[11:23] <rodarvus> gotta leave, see you guys tomorrow!
[11:23] <ajmitch> bye rodarvus :)
[11:23] <willvdl> pips1, meaning making full use of it etc.
[11:24] <willvdl> rodarvus, ciao
[11:24] <pips1> cu rodarvus
[11:24] <rodarvus> *waves*
[11:25] <pips1> willvdl: do you mean a desktop client (i.e. ms outlook, i.e. evolution) to access your emails/calendars/todo items/... ?
[11:25] <willvdl> pips1, yes
[11:25] <willvdl> client integration more like it
[11:25] <ogra> willvdl, odbc is a scary insecure thing, but has the advantage that it wrks nearly everywhere ...
[11:26] <willvdl> ogra, providing nobody tries to do something innovative with SQL
[11:26] <ogra> heh
[11:26] <willvdl> pips1, the thing being, if you don't have network, you can still see your calender
[11:27] <pips1> well, I don't think having a desktop client is important (i.e. I can imagine a usable AJAX style browser interface), but I think *desktop integration* is important (i.e. drag-and-drop of files, notifications, etc)
[11:27] <willvdl> The web may be moving to google and ajax and whatever, but most of us don't have the web in a reliable fashion
[11:28] <pips1> right
[11:28] <pips1> i see your point
[11:28] <willvdl> take for example a corporate LAN that goes down for an hour. you need to see you email/calender
[11:28] <pips1> hmm right
[11:28] <willvdl> Internet is a first world luxury :)
[11:29] <pips1> well, as you said, *reliable* internet connectivity is...
[11:29] <pips1> even LAN, if I take your word
[11:29] <pips1> :)
[11:29] <willvdl> :)
[11:30] <willvdl> it happens
[11:30] <willvdl> pips1, take a look at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Wiki/SiteMap if you get a chance
[11:30] <willvdl> it links to a page structure I was working on
[11:30] <willvdl> look and feel not perfect at all
[11:30] <pips1> *click*
[11:30] <willvdl> but it is an attempt to move the bits and pieces together
[11:31] <willvdl> i.e. from www, old wiki pages etc.
[11:31] <willvdl> trying to consolidate. eventually I would like the Launchpad stuff to go to LP help pages or reference then when they get written
[11:32] <pips1> hmm
[11:33] <willvdl> completely open to change/suggestion
[11:34] <willvdl> e.g. https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Community would need to look and read better
[11:34] <npnutn> Greetings, all.
[11:34] <pips1> generally it helps to name content for browsing in the way "the user thinks", i.e. in terms of the user's *goals* and subsequently, in terms of actions/tasks one has to do to achieve your goal ?
[11:35] <pips1> I like "GetInvolved"
[11:35] <willvdl> uhuh
[11:35] <pips1> I don't like "Photos"
[11:36] <willvdl> I had to think hard about wikinames :)
[11:36] <willvdl> and hope that a good Community start page would help
[11:37] <willvdl> "GetInvolved" needs more info and links
[11:37] <pips1> oops, these pages all exist already
[11:37] <pips1> 8-O
[11:38] <willvdl> I'd like to avoid too many links to the same page, just in case the link moves or changes info
[11:40] <npnutn> I see ogra in the room.  Perhaps other will know as well.  What is the status of sound for LTSP thin clients on Edgy?  Any luck with Flash yet?
[11:41] <ogra> should work fine
[11:41] <ogra> at least it did when i tested it last ...
[11:41] <npnutn> Hmmm.
[11:41] <npnutn> My results have been.... mixed.
[11:42] <willvdl> folks, off to bed. ciao
[11:43] <ogra> npnutn, well, at least i can promise that all sound related issues are solved in feisty
[11:43] <pips1> npnutn: supporting flash-sound for a local workstation and supporting it for thin clients shouldn't be any different?
[11:43] <ogra> we switched to pulseaudio with alsa emulation ...
[11:43] <ogra> which is classes better than any former remote sound implementation
[11:44] <ogra> (including full volume control, recording etc)
[11:44] <npnutn> Very nice.  I've heard good things about pulse.  I haven't tried Feisty yet...
[11:45] <npnutn> ... I haven't heard much about stability with it.  (?)  Recording, you say?
[11:48] <ogra> i havent got the magic running to set the local mixer for the right input device on the client
[11:48] <ogra> but if you tweak it manually, you can actually record from an attached mic
[11:49] <ogra> ofr feisty volume control and stability were my main focused parts
[11:49] <ogra> if we dont have magically sound recording ready before feisty+1 i wont cry about it
[11:50] <ogra> the base is there ... and it improved a lot beyond esd
[11:50] <npnutn> Nice.  Should be good for folks wanting VoIP and such.
[11:51] <ogra> yep
[11:51] <npnutn> ogra: did I see you on the list of devs for a "fat-client" package?
[11:51] <ogra> puse just emulates an alsa card ... so everythng just picks it up...
[11:51] <ogra> yes
[11:51] <ogra> but i cant promise yet that fat clients will happen this release
[11:52] <ogra> they depend on network authenticatio which i'm just implementing
[11:52] <ogra> so only if i make it with this feature in time i can move on to the next
[11:52] <npnutn> :)  Just the fact that it is in the works is cool.  What auth. method?  PAM/LDAP?
[11:53] <ogra> yep
[11:53] <ogra> probably CIFS
[11:53] <ogra> bt pam ldap for sure
[11:53] <pips1> \o/
[11:53] <ogra> if i ever get over my shock with udev ...
[11:54] <pips1> heh
[11:54] <npnutn> ;)
[11:55] <ajmitch> ogra: udev doing that would be libnss-ldap playing up, I thought
[11:55] <ajmitch> and it should have a very low timeout setting at the moment
[11:55] <ogra> it has
[11:56] <ajmitch> what is udev doing then?
[11:57] <ogra> well, /etc/nsswitch.conf told it to try ldap and then compat ...
[11:57] <ogra> it looped through nss-ldap requests ...
[11:57] <ajmitch> it shoudl have tried ldap, timed out quickly, and then moved on
[11:57] <ogra> with "cant find ldap server ldap://127.0.0.1"
[11:57] <ajmitch> I was testing it at UDS, it didn't delay bootup that much
[11:57] <ogra> it hung in an endless loop
[11:58] <ogra> even in single user mode
[11:58] <ajmitch> hm, unless it's trying to repeatedly lookup numerous uids/gids
[11:58] <ajmitch> that's rather annoying
[11:58] <ogra> i had to wipe /etc/nsswitch.conf from a liveCD to get in again
[11:59] <ogra> passwd:         ldap compat
[11:59] <ogra> group:          ldap compat
[11:59] <ogra> thats all i changed
[11:59] <ajmitch> I wonder if compat ldap would work better
[12:00] <ajmitch> yeah, my code was appending it, so it became 'compat ldap'
[12:00] <ogra> hmm
[12:00] <ajmitch> maybe why I've had less problems
[12:00] <ajmitch> anyway, I have to run out, back later
[12:00] <ogra> what happens if you have a group in both
[12:01] <ogra> i.e fuse would be a candidate ... which would it take ...