[12:22] <manchicken> This one thread on the users mailing list is getting a bit out of hand.
[12:23] <manchicken> Not even I flame that much.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the kde 3.5.6 for dapper one?
[12:23] <manchicken> yeah
[12:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying is building it, an;yway
[12:24] <manchicken> Let's just get out the ruler and figure out whose really is longer so that we can shut up about it and go on with life.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:25] <manchicken> Though I suspect we're all going to come out a little annoyed, and the participants may come away feeling inadequate and ashamed of their participation..
[12:29] <manchicken> There's an idea.
[12:32] <ScottK> ubuntu-users too.  I certainly don't need people cursing at me because they don't like the tone I used when I answered someone's question.
[12:33] <manchicken> Hmm... apt-index-watch has been eating a lot of cycles today.
[12:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:11] <Tonio_> kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the output I get
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I know the cause of this, I'll fix once herd3 is released
[01:12] <Tonio_> no time tomorrow for this (I am searching for a new appartement)
[01:33] <Riddell> manchicken: feisty doesn't have apt-index-watcher any more
[01:33] <manchicken> Riddell: ooh
[01:35] <Riddell> ah well, bad luck :)
[01:36] <manchicken> I thought you said I shouldn't use Feisty so that I had a stable system ;)
[01:36] <Riddell> kwwii: top post in planet complains about the pink kubuntu default theme, no idea where he gets that from
[01:44] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm going to be giving a new patched version of the indicator tooltip.
[01:45] <manchicken> mornfall gave me some feedback that was pretty good.
[01:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: for kde-hal-device-manager ... d'you know the guy's IRC nick?
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya
[02:51] <manchicken> Man, tracing memory leaks that crash can be rough...
[03:09] <manchicken> I really need to install qt and libc with debug symbols.
[03:45] <claydoh> ok I am really tired of the dapper/no kde 3.5.6 thread in kubuntu-users ml, it is bleeding over to KFN
[03:45] <claydoh> I may explode
[03:45] <claydoh> which is hard to do considering my sheer mass :)
[03:48] <yuriy> are people just complaining about not having packages, or what?
[03:50] <claydoh> and then some :)
[03:51] <claydoh> just getting tiring as I made the mistake of following the whole email thread
[03:57] <manchicken> Goodness, how long is the apt-index-watch process going to run.
[03:58] <manchicken> Yeah, it looks like a pissing contest with the disguise of software discussion.
[03:58] <claydoh> ya
[03:59] <claydoh> but it seems to have wound down
[04:01] <manchicken> Okay, so what's the purpose of apt-index-watch?
[04:01] <manchicken> The service just won't stop.
[04:01] <claydoh> dunno
[04:01] <manchicken> It is impossible to hack with that process killing my machine.
[04:03] <claydoh> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/admin/apt-index-watcher
[04:03] <claydoh> :)
[04:04] <manchicken> Riddell said something that led me to believe I should move to feisty, but he advised me before to stick with edgy so I can continue hacking with minimal interruption.
[04:04] <manchicken> I'm so conflicted ;)
[04:04] <claydoh> seems to be a common issue on my google search
[04:04] <manchicken> Hey, maybe I should talk to those guys on kubuntu-users ;)
[04:05] <claydoh> sure they are real experts
[04:05] <claydoh> just like me :)
[04:05] <manchicken> heh
[04:05] <manchicken> Just like my cat
[04:10] <manchicken> Screw it.  Just stopping the service helps.
[04:14] <yuriy> manchicken: or you could move to dual core :P
[04:15] <manchicken> Find me a laptop under $2K(USD) with dual core and a non-proprietary hardware setup.
[04:15] <manchicken> They're all either running TCPA, non-free graphics, or non-free wifi.
[04:22] <manchicken> Is apt-index-watch actually necessary?
[04:25] <yuriy> manchicken: TCPA? as in TPM?
[04:25] <manchicken> Yup.
[04:25] <yuriy> manchicken: since it's removed in feisty, probably not so much :P but i don't know what it does
[04:25] <manchicken> treacherous computing.
[04:26] <yuriy> yeah i kind of went with what i wanted rather than going for all Free for my laptop :-[
[04:27] <manchicken> What I want is what will work.
[04:27] <yuriy> and i assumed either all or none have tpm (don't know what the latest thing with that is), so it's not like i have a choice
[04:27] <manchicken> The non-free stuff doesn't work.
[04:28] <manchicken> Well, I figure since Intel is the grand-daddy of these chips, if I buy only AMD procs (which I do anyway) I'll be free from TPM.
[04:29] <manchicken> Problem is, laptops with AMDs usually have non-free graphics cards.
[04:29] <yuriy> well as in i looked for a laptop with nvidia because it will work best. It's non-free, but it'll play games and run beryl. And i went with intel for battery life so i guess wrong choice freedomwise there too, and wireless intel is nonfree too :(
[04:29] <manchicken> Yeah.
[04:30] <manchicken> I'm going to probably buy a custom built lappy next.  One built for free software.
[04:30] <yuriy> you know of a place that makes such a thing?
[04:32] <manchicken> Was looking earlier... let me check history...
[04:34] <yuriy> radeon xpress is not supported by the radeon driver?
[04:34] <manchicken> http://www.linuxcertified.com/linux-laptop-lc2100.html
[04:34] <manchicken> No.
[04:34] <manchicken> Don't bother with radeon xpress cards.
[04:35] <manchicken> Their proprietary linux modules are slow as all hell.
[04:35] <manchicken> Might as well not have any accel at all.
[04:36] <MrWGW> good evening
[04:36] <manchicken> I use the free software ATI drivers.
[04:36] <yuriy> evening
[04:37] <manchicken> No accel, but pretty well performing and stable.
[04:41] <manchicken> If you have to get proprietary graphics, I would think nvidia would be the better one to snag since nvidia non-free drivers suck less, and it seems like there's a rather high-priority free software project for nvidia cards.
[04:46] <yuriy> now if only that money was actually of any use to them..
[04:46] <yuriy> speaking of which, i've heard nothing from it since the pledge was completed
[05:01] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:01] <manchicken> I know.
[05:01] <manchicken> I think the money may be for a legal warchest.
[05:02] <manchicken> Many countries still enforce unjust patent laws that allow people to sue others just for writing their own software.
[05:02] <ajmitch> ah, rampant speculation
[05:02] <ajmitch> what a wonderful thing
[05:05] <manchicken> ajmitch: Which part are you talking about?
[05:05] <ajmitch> nouveau :)
[05:05] <manchicken> Oh.
[05:05] <manchicken> You don't think it'll make it?
[05:05] <ajmitch> oh I do
[05:05] <ajmitch> they're really quite active
[05:06] <manchicken> I think it's only a matter of time.
[05:06] <ajmitch> a matter of developer time
[05:06] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:07] <manchicken> We need laws requiring manufacturers to release specs.
[05:07] <yuriy> hmm i wonder when's a good time to test the dist-upgrade process
[05:07] <ajmitch> mm, more regulation
[05:07] <ajmitch> fun
[05:07] <manchicken> ajmitch: It'd be nice to have a law to protect freedom for a change.
[05:07] <manchicken> ;)
[05:08] <ajmitch> bye
[05:10] <manchicken> Later.
[05:39] <jdong> manchicken: that's the GPL and senselessly using up GB's of my space :D
[05:39] <jdong> I'm all 100% pro-GPL and all, but sometimes I find it silly....
[05:39] <manchicken> What now?
[05:40] <jdong> like if I'm distributing a backport that's just dch -i'ed and otherwise unchanged from ubuntu sources, that i'd have to locally host the entire source package too
[05:40] <manchicken> Yeah, but that's just what it takes to keep the freedom.
[05:41] <manchicken> You don't have to have it available for download.
[05:41] <manchicken> You only have to be able to provide verbatim source code upon request for up to 36 months.
[05:41] <jdong> manchicken: heh well I was threatened for not having it in a APT source repo.....
[05:41] <manchicken> For only the cost of media.
[05:41] <manchicken> By who?
[05:41] <manchicken> Not the FSF.
[05:41] <jdong> I don't have the e-mails anymore
[05:41] <jdong> but not FSF
[05:41] <jdong> various anti-Backports people
[05:41] <manchicken> Then who cares?
[05:42] <jdong> finding a way to shut it down
[05:42] <jdong> back in the good ol Warty days
[05:42] <jdong> well, IANAL but I get easily scared when I get legal threats :)
[05:42] <manchicken> Tough titty for them.  GPL requires you to only provide verbatim source upon request for up to 36 months.
[05:42] <jdong> that's how I understood it too
[05:42] <manchicken> If you wanted to back it up to CDROM and take it off your repo there's nothing that says you can't.
[05:43] <jdong> that's what I did
[05:43] <jdong> I had sources stored locally
[05:43] <manchicken> It's definitely NICER to have it in a repo... but it's not required.
[05:43] <jdong> and if not, then debdiffs to launchpad diffgz's
[05:43] <jdong> manchicken: I did offer full dsc source packages for when I modified a package beyond its changelog
[05:43] <manchicken> You do have to make sure it's verbatim source.
[05:43] <manchicken> Even if you didn't modify it.
[05:44] <jdong> well, it's trivial to assemble into verbatim source upon request
[05:44] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:44] <jdong> but I thought something wasn't right :)
[05:44] <manchicken> I also don't think anybody's going to get pissy with you if you're making a real good-faith effort to preserve the freedom.
[05:44] <jdong> believe me when I say the last thing I'd ever do is restrict the freedom and spirit of the GPL
[05:45] <manchicken> FSF cares about freedom.  Plain and simple.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hey all
[05:45] <manchicken> If you get any more of that, let me know.  I'm sure Peter Brown would like to know that these threats are taking place.
[05:45] <jdong> yeah, I'll be sure to.
[05:45] <jdong> nowadays I'm much more informed about all of this
[05:45] <jdong> backports was the first major contribution I tried to make to an open source project other than immense support in the form of forum participation
[05:46] <jdong> I was quite inexperienced at the time
[05:46] <manchicken> Yeah, if you distribute software you really need to understand your obligations and rights.  Many people just distribute without thinking about it and that's when problems occur.
[05:46] <manchicken> The nice thing is that FSF doesn't sue for money.  They sue for compliance.
[05:47] <jdong> Olevia, the HDTV manufacturer
[05:47] <jdong> I recently looked at one of the firmware updates....
[05:48] <jdong> before just blindly loading it on
[05:48] <jdong> kinda of intrigued me when file informed me it was a ext2 loopback image
[05:48] <jdong> mounted it  and saw rootfs.img, vmlinuz, and initrd.gz
[05:48] <jdong> HMM :)
[05:48] <manchicken> Ooh.  That's interesting.
[05:48] <manchicken> Demand source for sure.
[05:48] <jdong> so far unpacking the rootfs shows MIPS32 kernel 2.4
[05:48] <jdong> and it's without a doubt Linux with GNU userland
[05:49] <jdong> so I've already contacted tech support requesting source code
[05:49] <jdong> it's been a week or two, but I'll give them a bit more response time
[05:49] <jdong> then I might look into how other more aggressive methods work.
[05:49] <manchicken> Contact FSF's compliance lab.
[05:51] <jdong> I will.
[05:51] <jdong> yay for Linux infiltrating the HDTV market
[05:51] <jdong> but I'd love a look at the source
[05:51] <jdong> (oh yeah. the TV is entirely powered off random ATI chipsets and GPUs too)
[05:52] <jdong> there are all kinds of ATI strings greppable in vmlinuz and they look nothing like firegl public interfaces
[05:52] <jdong> so.... yay for more source to get released :)
[05:52] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:52] <manchicken> Maybe find some ATI projects and provide them with that data.
[05:53] <jdong> yeah
[05:53] <jdong> and I want the source code to do some tweaking too...
[05:53] <jdong> I was quite unhappy with some aspects of UI responsiveness :)
[05:53] <jdong> but hey, $399 for a 32" 1080i LCD HDTV... I can't complain
[05:54] <jdong> 1366x768... heck makes a great monitor :)
[05:54] <manchicken> heh
[06:23] <manchicken> brb
[06:23] <Jucato> okay :)
[06:50] <Tm_T> Good morning.
[06:51] <Jucato> morning Tm_T
[06:51] <Jucato> ready for your talk?
[06:53] <Tm_T> Not ready but going now. ->
[06:54] <Jucato> heh :)
[06:58] <kwwii> moin
[06:58] <kwwii> Riddell: dude, the theme is not pink, no matter what anyone says
[06:59] <Hobbsee> hey Tm_T Jucato and kwwii
[06:59] <Hobbsee> kwwii: which theme?
[06:59] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!!
[06:59] <Jucato> kwwii: hehe Planet KDE eh?
[07:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee: http://ciesbreijs.blogspot.com/2007/01/opensuse-102-to-kubuntu-610.html
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nice :)
[07:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: saw what kwwii was referring to (pink theme)?
[07:10] <ScottK> I tried 10.1 and it became quite clear that opensuse is at best a beta for SLES.
[07:11] <ScottK> Never again will I use a distro where the product I use isn't viewed as the organization's end product.
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yep
[07:13] <ScottK> Sort of thought that too, until Novell's zen updater was thrown into 10.1 AFTER the last release candidate with no alternate available.
[07:15] <ScottK> I had a very nice shiny opensuse 10.1 system that only had one problem - I couldn't install or update anything.
[07:15] <ScottK> I fled.
[07:16] <kwwii> Hobbsee: the default theme
[07:16] <kwwii> Jucato: yeah
[07:17] <Jucato> kwwii: you have any idea when usplash will be as easy to customize/theme as splashy? or something?
[07:17] <kwwii> oh well, another kde fan to hunt down and kill slowly
[07:17] <kwwii> Jucato: probably never
[07:18] <kwwii> Jucato: as it is, you make pics and then write some c code
[07:18] <Jucato> why o why... :(
[07:18] <Jucato> well, the pics are relatively easy...
[07:18] <kwwii> lol
[07:26] <Jucato> don't they have an automatix team/account/project in LP? just assign it to them
[07:27] <ScottK> It would be nice to have one place to point people who say, "but it never caused a problem for me" and say look here....
[07:27] <Jucato> !worksforme
[07:27] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[07:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh.  seems that a whole lot of other people got the bug (gpg encrypting broke)
[07:29] <Jucato> on one of our official repos?
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dunno
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: some will likely be
[08:22] <steven07> can someone here plz help?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> !ask
[08:22] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:22] <steven07> alright...im having trouble getting my wireless to work on my compaq v2000
[08:23] <Hobbsee> sounds like a #kubuntu type questoin
[08:23] <steven07> no one here can help me with my wireless??
[08:23] <steven07> isnt this a developers channel?
[08:23] <steven07> i thought you guys looked at this stuff all day...or is that the #kubuntu chanel?
[08:24] <Jucato> #kubuntu is for user support
[08:24] <steven07> ohh...
[08:24] <steven07> gotcha
[08:24] <steven07> alright thanks=)
[08:24] <Jucato> this channel is for developers to discuss about Kubuntu development and techy/geeky stuff
[08:24] <Jucato> darn
[09:41] <Hobbsee> cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/services/kopete_sms.desktop': No such file or directory
[09:41] <Hobbsee> dammit
[09:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping?
[09:42] <manchicken> Well, I had to set up fglrx to use the projector output on my lappy...
[09:43] <manchicken> But it won't play with composite window managers.
[09:43] <manchicken> I hope there's a new version of the ATI stuff for feisty if it's gonna be shipped, heh
[09:57] <yuriy> yeah the whole accelerated-x thing kinda goes down the drain with fglrx not supporting aiglx anyway
[09:58] <Jucato> yuriy: thanks for replying to my bug report
[09:59] <manchicken> yuriy: Nice bug find.  Did you post a bug?
[10:00] <yuriy> Jucato: you are welcome. (umm who are you? i always find it a bit hard to connect real names with irc)
[10:00] <Jucato> yuriy: there's one problem about the kicker bug I mentioned. it's intermittent, happens often to quite a number of people, but can't be consistently and systematically reproduced
[10:00] <yuriy> manchicken: well i knew that one :P
[10:00] <Jucato> yuriy: Juan Carlos Torres (systemsettings bug filed yesterday)
[10:00] <manchicken> heh
[10:01] <yuriy> manchicken: no i didn't file a bug, but i did file a bug detailing my thoughts about adept's details if you're interested bug 83428
[10:01] <yuriy> bug 82428 that is
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82428 in adept "adept details view usability" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82428
[10:01] <Jucato> yuriy: I talked to el about those 2 bugs I mentioned to Sime. I was under the impression that she agreed and would probably put it back in kss. so I never followed it up
[10:02] <yuriy> Jucato: oh ok, cool
[10:02] <manchicken> yuriy: Could you do me a big favor and post a bug?
[10:02] <yuriy> manchicken: sure
[10:02] <manchicken> Much thanks
[10:02] <manchicken> Feel free to assign it to me ^_^
[10:03] <Jucato> yuriy: anyway, I found some forum posts and 2 bug reports on LP that matches the kicker bug. I'm just waiting for aseigo to wake up so I could ask him about it before I file upstream
[10:12] <yuriy> manchicken: bug 83431
[10:12] <manchicken> Much thanks.
[10:12] <Jucato> bug 83431
[10:12] <Jucato> heh the bug is too new, probably
[10:15] <yuriy> sorry bug 82431
[10:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
[10:15] <yuriy> second time i made that typo in a row
[10:15] <manchicken> I'm verifying that now.
[10:16] <Jucato> we're just human... at least some of us are :)
[10:17] <manchicken> Okay... yuriy, so you're just clicking a package title, showing it, then clicking it again and it's gone?
[10:17] <manchicken> Ah, got ya.
[10:17] <yuriy> manchicken: just clicking a package title, like in the screenshot.
[10:17] <manchicken> You're saying that in the expansion the column is missing.
[10:17] <yuriy> yeah
[10:17] <manchicken> Okay.  That is kinda important.
[10:17] <manchicken> heh
[10:18] <yuriy> sorry if i made it sound more severe
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i'm still human, believe me
[10:18] <manchicken> It's not a show stopper, but I would consider that one medium to high.
[10:18] <Jucato> Hobbsee: after seeing you... I do. believe me, I do :)
[10:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[10:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: you don't know how long I've wondered what you looked like. now I can die in peace
[10:19] <Jucato> lol
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37696 in ept "adept does not show wanted user input" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37696
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39756 in adept "Adept has trouble handling interactive installation scripts" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39756
[10:19] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, really?
[10:19] <Jucato> Hobbsee: which part? wondering for a long time or the die in peace part?
[10:19] <yuriy> Hobbsee: any eye of newt in there?
[10:20] <Jucato> bat's wings
[10:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato: the former
[10:20] <Hobbsee> yuriy: no...no...that wasnt in the recipe
[10:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: heh yeah
[10:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:22] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[10:23] <manchicken> Hmm.... it won't let me change the importance of the bug.
[10:26] <Hobbsee> manchicken: you're probably not in -qa
[10:26] <yuriy> manchicken: you have to be on ubuntu-qa
[10:26] <yuriy> hmm.. !qa
[10:27] <yuriy> !qa
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qa - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:28] <yuriy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:28] <Jucato> hehe manual search :)
[10:28] <yuriy> manchicken: meanwhile, what did you want to set it to?
[10:28] <manchicken> Middle
[10:29] <yuriy> Jucato: more like not closing webpages after i view them.  counting both computers, i'm now on my 7th opera window
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[10:29] <Jucato> O.O
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !qa
[10:29] <ubotu> qa is To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !qa is <reply>To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:29] <ubotu> qa is already known
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !no qa is <reply>To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !qa
[10:29] <ubotu> To change the importance of a bug, you need to be part of the Ubuntu QA team.  see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuQA
[10:29] <Jucato> lol
[10:29] <Hobbsee> damned bot
[10:29] <Jucato> that's some fast typing :P
[10:32] <yuriy> gnight all
[10:33] <Jucato> Hobbsee: do you know if there's a wiki/guide on how to setup a system/installation for developing in *buntu? like the guides in KDE: http://developernew.kde.org/Getting_Started
[10:36] <manchicken> brb
[10:40] <Lure> Jucato: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment
[10:40] <Jucato> Lure: thanks
[11:30] <Hobbsee> Jucato: pbuilder
[11:34] <Jucato> Hobbsee: so that's the only/recommeded way? I mean, for example, in setting up a KDE development environment, you can use SVN to get source code and compile, so you can easily apply/make patches and revert to a previous (stable?) state
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: you can grab sources, and debdiff against the different diff.gz's to get the changes.
[11:35] <Jucato> oh ok :)
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Jucato: obviously, a .diff.gz is just a compressed diff, which you can then use patch to apply
[11:40] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ok. thanks for the pointers. I'm going to read the link Lure gave. I'm under the impression that I'd have still have to build the package to test changes? or am I wrong? (no idea really, only have little experience with KDE)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah, you do.  you still do in kde, too
[11:42] <Hobbsee> btw, in bzr, you can branch off easier, i hear
[11:42] <Jucato> Hobbsee: well, they don't "package". just patch -p0 < patch_file then make && make install the relevant app/module
[11:42] <Jucato> heh bzr... need to learn that too...
[11:42] <Hobbsee> Jucato: exactly.
[11:43] <Hobbsee> so use patch, then debuild
[11:43] <Jucato> wonder how Mez handles it... both bzr and svn... must make him crazy at times :)
[11:43] <Mez> bzr-svn
[11:43] <Mez> :P
[11:43] <Hobbsee> you only need to use a pbuilder if you're actually packaging the thing, and releasing and whatever, ie needing a clean system
[11:44] <Jucato> yeah...
[11:45] <Jucato> I should have looked at the release schedule... I was planning on packaging kuickshow as my first packaging attempt/project... but again I failed to anticipate freezes... like I did in KDE...
[11:46] <Hobbsee> !info kuickshow
[11:46] <ubotu> Package kuickshow does not exist in any distro I know
[11:46] <Hobbsee> !info kuickshow feisty
[11:46] <ubotu> Package kuickshow does not exist in feisty
[11:46] <Jucato> :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Jucato: main freeze is later
[11:47] <Jucato> Hobbsee: it was removed since Dapper, because of a dependency on imlib. Riddell said he'd be willing to put it back if someone is willing to package/maintain it
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ahhh
[11:51] <Jucato> yeah, it's relatively unknown
[11:52] <Jucato> it's just that we currently don't have an easy way (although using update-alternatives is very easy) to set the default Java version or use Firefox as the default browser  for all (KDE, GNOME, GTK, etc) apps
[11:52] <Hobbsee> indeed
[11:53] <Hobbsee> and the setting in kcontrol only works for some people, adn tends to confuse
[11:53] <Jucato> yeah... kcontrol only affects KDE apps... so it's quite confusing if they start using non-KDE apps and it would still launch Konqueror
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: *neat* :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:55] <Jucato> kalternatives is a kcontrol module. it's in trunk/kdeonbeta/kdedebian... heh but I'm getting far too ahead of myself... I can't even package yet lol
[11:56] <Hobbsee> good place to start :)
[11:56] <Jucato> yeah, gonna start with simple stuff and requested stuff...
[11:56] <Jucato> kuickshow's on top of my list but I prefer gwenview anytime heh :)
[11:57] <Jucato> (but kuickshow really is quick)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> ahhh :)
[11:57] <Jucato> talked too much... getting back to reading
[11:57] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: have you source tarball of kde-356
[01:57] <Riddell> freeflying: sure, they're all in the archive on kubuntu.org
[01:58] <freeflying> it's too slow to access kubuntu,org
[01:59] <Riddell> try one of the ftp.kde.org mirrors then
[02:00] <freeflying> our internet is damn now, for the broken of undersea cable
[02:03] <Jucato> freeflying: yeah... it's taking a while to fix... :(
[02:03] <freeflying> Jucato: :) one month passed
[02:04] <Jucato> yeah...
[02:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's up?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: my uni.  their crappy software that's crashed for msot of the day.  it's now fixed, but isnt holding it's settings, and is showing me things in hte most illogical way possible.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> and theyv'e axed one of my pracs in my timetable, yet left it on in another.
[02:31] <Riddell> Lure: with knetworkmanager in and on by default is kubuntu-feisty-networking implemented?
[02:32] <Lure> Riddell: I planned to look into NetworkStatus module over weekend - I was waiting for 3.5.6 release to easy merge from SuSE
[02:32] <Riddell> Lure: what does that do?
[02:32] <Lure> Riddell: this is to make kopete/kmail network offline aware with networkmanager
[02:32] <Riddell> mm, nice
[02:32] <Lure> Riddell: and I am working on keys for laptop in ksmserver (suspend/hibernate) which is to close FeistyLaptop
[02:32] <Lure> not sure what Tonio_ plans are with ksynaptics
[02:33] <Lure> probably something to discuss on meeting today
[02:35] <Riddell> it can't go in
[02:36] <Hobbsee> for the rebuild test, are we rebuilding everything in the archive, or testing what builds and what doesnt?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ie, do the new binaries get put into the system?
[02:36] <Riddell> they don't get put in
[02:37] <Hobbsee> right
[02:37] <Hobbsee> someone needs to fix https://launchpad.net/bugs/82455 then
[02:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82455 in synce-kde "synce broken after kde 3.5.6 upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:37] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[02:37] <Jucato> night Hobbsee!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> night!
[02:37] <Jucato> see you later/tomorrow
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: fix that, if you want :P
[02:37] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:37] <Jucato> hah! :)
[02:46] <LongPointyStick> Sime: kmail *sucks* with IMAP - dont even bother using it.  there's a major crasher in there.
[03:34] <Jucato> yay
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya
[03:45] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:38] <Lure> Riddell: upstream proposed patch for bug 82313
[04:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in kde-guidance "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[04:39] <Lure> Riddell: would make sense to have this in Herd3 (or immediatelly after)
[04:39] <Lure> Riddell: I will prepare a package to test here
[04:41] <Riddell> Lure: cool, top work Lure
[04:43] <stdin> Riddell: is there a default password for the live cd user ?
[04:49] <Riddell> stdin: no
[04:50] <stdin> ahh, didn't think so
[05:06] <kwwii> Riddell: the distro team meetings are still on thursday, right?
[05:06] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, see matt's posting to disto-team list just now
[05:07] <Riddell> kwwii: mind they're called devel team meetings on the hope that more than canonical's distro team can turn up :)
[05:08] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, thanks ;-)
[05:09] <manchicken> Riddell: Thanks for the assign... I think ;)
[05:09] <manchicken> Conference calls are awkward... especially when you can't hear what's going on...
[05:11] <Riddell> manchicken: well it had to go to someone, and you did the patch for it, so you get the karma points :)
[05:14] <manchicken> Righto.
[05:26] <nixternal> argh, meeting today and I will just be getting out of class, so I will be a little late
[05:28] <nixternal> if I am not around when you guys do the membership portions:  Riddell and the rest - I highly respect both manchicken and Jucato and think they would be great members as they have both contributed greatly to Kubuntu :)
[05:28] <manchicken> nixternal: Ever seen a chicken blush?
[05:29] <nixternal> only when I accidentally ran one over
[05:29] <manchicken> Murderer ;)
[05:29] <manchicken> heh
[05:29] <nixternal> and of all places, in Little Village
[05:29] <manchicken> Really?
[05:29] <manchicken> What would a chicken be doing in the street in Little Village/
[05:29] <nixternal> ya, dude I took off like I just hit a kid, them chickens are sacred over there
[05:30] <manchicken> Or... were you drunk and running through a restaurant?
[05:30] <nixternal> I was 18 then, so 15 years ago, possible :)
[05:30] <nixternal> actually I might have been 17
[05:30] <manchicken> That makes you 33?
[05:30] <nixternal> 26th and California, they are loaded with chickens over there
[05:30] <nixternal> yes sir
[05:31] <manchicken> Yeah, but not in the streets ;)
[05:31] <nixternal> he might have gotten lose
[05:31] <manchicken> I've driven there many times, and never thump-thump did the chicken go.
[05:32] <manchicken> I would be quite upset if one had.  I suspect blood and feathers would be tough to get off of the undercarriage.
[05:32] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:32] <manchicken> Wow.  We're talking about squishin' chickens, and the real topic of the chan is WAAY over there.
[05:32] <manchicken> heh
[05:32] <nixternal> I didn't care to look, I knew the kings would be chasing me for killing one of their own
[05:32] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:33] <manchicken> A feathery 187 in store for you.  heh
[05:33] <nixternal> gahaha
[05:34] <nixternal> I don't know who did the scheduling on the Fridge, but today's meeting schedule goes against the norm
[05:34] <nixternal> hopefully the Xubuntu guys won't have much to talk about
[05:34] <nixternal> since they are a stripped down version in a way, maybe their meeting will follow suit :)
[05:34] <manchicken> heh
[05:35] <manchicken> Is it possible to have xubuntu installed along-side kubuntu?
[05:36] <nixternal> sure
[05:36] <manchicken> I wouldn't mind having it all installed.
[05:36] <nixternal> but I don't like doing so as it clutters ~/ and you tend to share settings in between with like Firefox and such
[05:36] <manchicken> I tried installing edubuntu-desktop once... apt got mad at me.
[05:36] <manchicken> Tilda is the **SWEETEST** thing ever.
[05:37] <manchicken> Even though it's GTK, I can forgive it.
[05:37] <nixternal> all I have running now is Kubuntu on most machines, Edubuntu on one, and gNewSense on my old laptop
[05:37] <nixternal> now they have a KDE gNewSense so I will be redoing that machine
[05:37] <manchicken> I wouldn't mind checking out gnewsense, but I don't feel like running gnome.
[05:37] <manchicken> Although I now know that my lappy will work with all free drivers.
[05:37] <manchicken> I removed linux-restricted-* today.
[05:37] <nixternal> manchicken: they have a KDE version of gNewSense now
[05:37] <manchicken> It's still going.
[05:37] <nixternal> heh
[05:38] <manchicken> I still have to run linuxant driverloader for the broadcom though.
[05:38] <manchicken> What a PITA.
[05:38] <nixternal> they just released the KDE version within the past week
[05:38] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:38] <nixternal> ya, I have to use NDISWrapper for my WiFi
[05:38] <manchicken> I hear they started gnewsense with unstable debian.
[05:38] <manchicken> ndiswrapper hates me.
[05:38] <nixternal> my other lappy though, I have an Orinoco card, so it is 100% free
[05:38] <nixternal> even have gnash on it, which still has a bit to go
[05:39] <nixternal> once they get YouTube working, I am on!
[05:39] <manchicken> I figured if I was going to have to use nonfree garbage I might as well grab one that works.  Dropped $20 on driverloader and it just freakin' works.
[05:39] <nixternal> everything else I have tested seems to work OK
[05:39] <manchicken> gnash seems to lock up alsa...
[05:39] <nixternal> I haven't had that problem
[05:39] <manchicken> I have.
[05:40] <manchicken> Perhaps it's just this crappy ATI sound card.
[05:40] <nixternal> see, the reason I chose this Compaq laptop was price and Intel chipset
[05:40] <manchicken> Tell you the truth, I will *never* buy another HP again.
[05:40] <nixternal> I hate Intel processors, but you can't get an AMD system w/o NVidia or ATI garbage
[05:40] <manchicken> That's true.
[05:40] <manchicken> I've noticed that myself.
[05:41] <manchicken> My next lappy will probably be from linuxcertified
[05:41] <nixternal> Matrox is Free correct?
[05:41] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:41] <nixternal> ok, I am building a 64-bit system and will go with the Matrox card then
[05:41] <manchicken> But the problem isn't just the gfx.  It's the gfx, the card readers, no TPM, wifi...
[05:42] <nixternal> shoot, the NVidia chipsets, the ethernet on them, do they work w/o *restricted?
[05:42] <manchicken> HP printers rock my world though.
[05:43] <nixternal> that's because HP either designed CUPS or put all their money and effort into the project
[05:44] <manchicken> nvidia will be much better if/when nouveau(sp) gets ready for prime time.
[05:45] <nixternal> at one time NVidia was going to release it's drivers to the masses for free, but the ATI challenge killed that during the video card boom in like 2000/2001
[05:45] <manchicken> I actually tried the non-free ati drivers last night again trying to get my projector port to work.
[05:45] <nixternal> NVidia had a hidden facility in Waukegan that a friend worked for and was working on that project
[05:45] <manchicken> Half the functionality of the card isn't even available with the proprietary drivers.
[05:46] <nixternal> ya, the binary ATI driver is bad
[05:46] <manchicken> That sounds neat.
[05:46] <manchicken> Either way, these free software drivers work quite nicely.
[05:46] <nixternal> NVidia "at least" gives you full functionality
[05:46] <manchicken> Yeah.
[05:47] <nixternal> I have signed and unsinged integers floatin through my head right now
[05:48] <nixternal> my C++ class is killing me
[05:48] <nixternal> I have C++ dreams
[05:48] <nixternal> I need to figure out KDevelop though, it doesn't seem as easy as VS.NET
[05:49] <nixternal> hiya raphink!
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[05:49] <manchicken> w00t.
[05:50] <Lure> Riddell: upstream fix does not seem to help here...
[05:51] <Lure> Riddell: will reply back...
[05:51] <Riddell> :(
[06:03] <raphink> hi nixternal
[06:19] <n8k99_> nixternal where are you taking classes?
[06:22] <nixternal> College of DuPage and Northwestern Illinois University
[06:23] <n8k99_> how is it going - if that's not too far OT
[06:27] <n8k99_> so very far behind you
[06:40] <nixternal> n8k99_: actually you are about at the same spot I am. It is going good actually, as I am learning C++ correctly for once
[06:41] <nixternal> Are you doing the University of Phoenix online courses?
[06:41] <manchicken> mmm... c++
[06:54] <nixternal> wow, I still have to complete 8 programming courses
[06:54] <nixternal> I thought I was closer than that
[06:55] <manchicken> wow
[06:55] <nixternal> I have 3 or 4 C++ courses to go, then I will probably do a C#, some Java, some more Perl, and probably either Assembly & Machine, and Cobol/Fortran
[06:55] <nixternal> man, thank God for the Illinois Veterans Grant and the GI Bill
[06:56] <nixternal> I have 6 classes left until I am done at Northwestern, so I will graduate there in 2008
[07:02] <manchicken> heh
[07:02] <manchicken> True that
[07:03] <manchicken> Perl is nice.
[07:03] <stdin> is the kubuntu.org repo for 3.5.6 (edgy) working ?
[07:03] <manchicken> I don't know too many folks who've taken it in a class though.
[07:04] <nixternal> stdin: it is working for me
[07:05] <manchicken> What a rebel am I... work forced me to use this windows laptop, so I put a GPLv3 wallpaper on it.  How... pathetic.  heh
[07:05] <stdin> ahh, it's moved from kde-356-test to kde-356 :P
[07:05] <nixternal> hehe
[07:13] <manchicken> Wow, xfce looks a LOT better than it used to.
[07:30] <Tm_T> Jucato: Done, more tomorrow.
[07:50] <ryanakca> dunno if this is important or no, but during today's upgrade: "dpkg: kdebase-data: warning - conffile `/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu' is not a plain file or symlink (= `/etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu')"
[07:50] <ScottK> ryanakca: I say the same thing when I updated last night.  I dunno if it's important either.
[07:51] <Riddell> ryanakca: what is it if not a plain file?
[07:51] <ryanakca> ScottK: kk
[07:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: dunno, checking :)
[07:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: Hah, we ended up to burn live cd's in stand, seemed to work all ok afterall. :p
[07:52] <Tm_T> None of us got shipit stuff but let's see if I find something for tomorrow...
[07:53] <ryanakca> hurray :) segfault when going ^D in python :) *tries to reproduce it so he gets a backtrace*
[07:54] <Tm_T> We'll see if we did get sold Linux to few dchools already. :p
[07:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: where was that?
[07:54] <Tm_T> Wait, checking dictionary. :p
[07:55] <ryanakca> Riddell: 'file /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu' gives me:        /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu: directory
[07:55] <Riddell> hmmm
[07:55] <ryanakca> in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu, there's: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-essential.menu/kde-essential.menu: ASCII English text
[07:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: Rough translation "Education and work Expo"
[07:56] <Tm_T> Riddell: ~30 000 visitors expected, or so I heard.
[07:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: and untranslated?
[07:56] <Tm_T> "Oppia ja tyt messut"
[07:59] <Riddell> oh, that :)
[08:00] <Riddell> Tm_T: get any photos?  able to do a couple of sentences for UWN?
[08:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: Yup, plenty taken, will get them later.
[08:00] <Tm_T> UWN?
[08:00] <Riddell> UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[08:00] <Tm_T> Weekly Newsletter?
[08:00] <Tm_T> Ah, I might try. :)
[08:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: When next issue is due? sunday UTC?
[08:11] <Tm_T> Ah, nevermind, found it.
[08:25] <mhb> evening
[08:27] <mhb> can someone direct me to a Main Inclusion Report howto?
[08:27] <mhb> I searched for that on the wiki but only the reports themselves show up
[08:36] <manchicken> kwwii: Are there any plans to show more love to widescreen folks?
[08:39] <pinheiro> http://developernew.kde.org/Image:Isv.svg
[08:39] <pinheiro> ups wrong chanel
[08:43] <Tm_T> Pinheiro :o
[08:45] <kwwii> manchicken: well, if the technical stuff fits, I will make widescreen resolutions too
[08:45] <kwwii> but I have done that in the past as well
[08:47] <manchicken> I just notice a rather large amount of stuff that looks much better in 4:3 than 16:9.
[08:55] <kwwii> well, that will always be a problem somewhat
[08:56] <mhb> kde-style-polyester MainInclusionReport draft is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MartinBhm/MainInclusionReportKdeStylePolyesterDraft - I'm new at writing MIRs, so if there is anything more to add, please add ... I guess it would be mentioned at the meeting, too.
[08:56] <kwwii> but as far as possible we try to cover everything from an artwork perspective
[08:58] <mhb> what is the situation of fonts now?
[08:59] <mhb> I noticed even though I switch from Sans Serif to DejaVu Sans in systemsettings, some apps keep the Sans Serif font
[08:59] <mhb> most notably Kopete and Konqueror
[09:02] <ScottK> Historically (as I understand it) Kmail shipped without S/MIME enabled because gpgsm was in Universe.  Now that it's in Main, would it be reasonable to install it with Kmail by default?  Getting S/MIME working has historically been painful (I never suceeded in Dapper and didn't try Edgy yet).  I'd like to try and get it working for Feisty.
[09:02] <ScottK> If this sounds reasonable, I'll work on patches...
[09:03] <mhb> ScottK: sounds like a meeting agenda point, IMHO :o)
[09:03] <ScottK> OK.  What meeting?
[09:03] <mhb> ScottK: see /topic
[09:03] <ScottK> Ah.
[09:04] <Lure> mhb: hardly we can claim good maintenance in debian if they are at beta1
[09:05] <mhb> Lure: you're probably right. That is why it is a draft :o)
[09:05] <Lure> mhb: otherwise it looks ok
[09:06] <seaLne> Lure: what were you planning on talking about k3b tonight?  i've been working on it
[09:06] <Lure> mhb: not that I am relevant ;-) I have never wrote MIR - Tonio_ or Riddell are better to review it
[09:07] <Lure> seaLne: great - just wanted to know if it is on radar screen for feisty inclusion
[09:07] <Lure> seaLne: feature freeze is in 10 days....
[09:07] <seaLne> unfortunatly i can't make the meeting tonight
[09:07] <mhb> Lure: you're relevant enough for me :o) I guess there will be some more commenting for that draft ... we'll see later. Thanks for the comments.
[09:07] <seaLne> yeah i'd been hoping that after about rc3 we would have had final
[09:07] <Lure> seaLne: no problem, just that we know hom to ping about progress...
[09:08] <seaLne> the patches break at each rc, quite a lot is changing still
[09:08] <ScottK> mhb: I can't make the meeting tonight.
[09:08] <Lure> seaLne: I think rc5 is well for inclusion as it has cdrkit support (which feisty switched to)
[09:08] <Lure> ScottK: would that be just Build-Depends change?
[09:08] <seaLne> yeah wodim has been causing problems
[09:08] <ScottK> Lure: So far as I can tell.
[09:09] <seaLne> in a k3b breakage rather than bad way
[09:09] <Lure> ScottK: you shoudl talk with Hobbsee though - afair she was pushing encryption support in kmail
[09:09] <ScottK> Actually, I think it's an install depends too.
[09:09] <ScottK> OK
[09:09] <Lure> ScottK: probably
[09:10] <ScottK> Lure: Thanks.  I'll talk to her next time I see her here.
[09:13] <ScottK> It turns out my [username] /.gnupg directory is owned by root on my Feisty install.  If it's just me, I'll just fix it, but I'd appreciate it if others would look and see if it's something more general I need to file a bug about.
[09:14] <Riddell> ScottK: what needs done to get s/mime by default?
[09:15] <Riddell> mhb: you say it uses three different types of packaging
[09:15] <ScottK> Riddell: At the very least install gpgsm
[09:15] <ScottK> Am still working through it.
[09:16] <mhb> Riddell: sorry :o) I'm not a packager so I didn't change the packaging-related information...
[09:19] <mhb> will Hobbsee make it to the meeting?
[09:19] <mhb> AFAIK she packaged kde-style-polyester last.
[09:19] <Riddell> mhb: just download and see if it's cdbs or debhelper in debian/rules
[09:20] <mhb> okay
[09:23] <mhb> +include /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[09:23] <mhb> ^^ means cdbs, right?
[09:23] <mhb> +include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[09:24] <mhb> ^^ this line made me confused a bit
[09:24] <mhb> (sorry for the pasting)
[09:24] <crimsun> it means it uses cdbs and debhelper.
[09:24] <crimsun> next time, apt-cache showsrc foo|grep ^Build-Dep
[09:26] <ScottK> Riddell: S/MIME gets more complicated, but afaict it's all packaging.  We'll also need Kleopatra and to deal with Bug #42086.  I think it's all doable and I'll do the work if there's support for including it.
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42086 in gnupg2 "gpg-agent has wrong dependency to pinentry-ncurses" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42086
[09:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Were you suggesting yesterday that I should switch to feisty on my main build?
[09:27] <mhb> thanks a lot crimsun :o)
[09:27] <Riddell> manchicken: don't think I was
[09:27] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[09:28] <manchicken> You made a comment about apt-index-watch not breaking on feisty ;)
[09:28] <manchicken> Just teasing me I see. ^_^
[09:31] <Riddell> manchicken: if you want around we'll have the dist upgrade tool available on edgy sometime late next week, so you could try that
[09:31] <manchicken> Well is it stable enough?
[09:32] <manchicken> I wouldn't want to be derailed from hacking...
[09:32] <Riddell> works for me
[09:32] <manchicken> That's cool.
[09:33] <ScottK> Although now that I look at it, I looks to me like Bug #42086 is already fixed in Feisty.
[09:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42086 in gnupg2 "gpg-agent has wrong dependency to pinentry-ncurses" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42086
[09:34] <manchicken> Riddell: So, do you have any visibility into when we're going to want to start moving our stuff over to KDE4/Qt4?
[09:35] <Riddell> manchicken: we're already moving stuff over to qt 4
[09:35] <manchicken> Ah.
[09:37] <manchicken> I'm going to try to get the changelog stuff into adept before feature-freeze, and then I'll clean the bug I have and any others I have open.
[09:38] <manchicken> I've been looking at adept and some areas certainly look easier than others.
[09:38] <Riddell> yep, that's the way to do it, throw it in before feature freeze and fix after
[09:38] <manchicken> (for qt4 porting)
[09:38] <Riddell> mm, yes, I'm scared of that too
[09:38] <manchicken> I don't think it'll be too hard.
[09:39] <manchicken> I did the SMS kde4/qt4 port for kopete a while back.
[09:39] <Riddell> adept does some funky stuff with listviews, and that has all changed in qt 4
[09:39] <manchicken> Not hard, just tedious.
[09:39] <Riddell> we'll need to sync up with mornfall before that happens anyway
[09:39] <manchicken> Yeah, but it didn't look like they'd removed a lot, but rather moved it into different things.
[09:39] <manchicken> Yeah, he gave me a link to a branch he had.
[09:40] <manchicken> Is he working towards getting things into adept for feature freeze too, or is he just downstream?
[09:40] <manchicken> Still not sure how that's working.
[09:41] <Riddell> he's upstream, and he's not working to ubuntu schedule any more
[09:42] <Riddell> which is why we're working on the 2.1 branch and he's working on a new version
[09:43] <manchicken> Okie dokie.
[09:43] <manchicken> So do you want me to try to get his changes into adept before feature-freeze if he's ready for that?
[09:44] <Riddell> no
[09:44] <Riddell> he's working on a whole new version, we'll pick it up when it gets released
[09:45] <Riddell> so it won't get in for feisty, unless he happens to release it in the next 10 days
[09:45] <manchicken> Ah.
[09:45] <manchicken> Gotcha.
[09:45] <manchicken> I've been making sure to CC him on all patches.
[09:45] <manchicken> I should probably BCC it though since it's a webified mailing list though.  Bad me.
[09:46] <Riddell> kwwii: edubuntu dudes talking about you in #ubuntu-meeting
[09:46] <Riddell> manchicken: BCC is confusing, CC is fine
[09:52] <manchicken> righto.
[09:52] <manchicken> Mmm... edubuntu...
[09:55] <Riddell> kedubuntu!
[09:57] <manchicken> Is there a kedubuntu?
[09:58] <manchicken> I love x forwarding.  I can't think of a cooler feature of X.
[10:01] <Riddell> manchicken: no :(
[10:02] <Riddell> ah, gnomefreak, you wanted webcollage porn?
[10:02] <manchicken> heh
[10:04] <n8k99_> nixternal: yes its not too bad
[10:04] <manchicken> keep uses backup-manager, right?
[10:04] <n8k99_> nixternal: my next course is java
[10:06] <gnomefreak> not porn is it?
[10:06] <gnomefreak> Riddell: it has never worked in ubuntu for me. started trying in breezy
[10:10] <manchicken> Ooh, I was wanting to look at that.
[10:10] <gnomefreak> its installed but i would like to test it first before posting it. i love it in suses 10.2
[10:11] <gnomefreak> i will post it later today for edgy testing i thinnk
[10:11] <manchicken> Okay, so yuriy said that I wouldn't be able to modify the priority of a bug if I wasn't on the qa group.  Should I join the qa group then, too?
[10:12] <gnomefreak> manchicken: you would have to or ask someone on the team to look at it ;)
[10:12] <gnomefreak> brb gonna try this
[10:12] <Riddell> gnomefreak: well that'll be because we removed it
[10:12] <Riddell> gnomefreak: but debian have recently put it back as a separate package, so if you want to do that, go ahead
[10:12] <gnomefreak> gnome xscreensaver-data or one of them packages has it but it doesnt work lol
[10:13] <Riddell> it's in kscreensaver too
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ok ill look at it ty brb
[10:17] <Riddell> sebas: this is interesting http://paulgiannaros.blogspot.com/2007/01/kde-ipc-with-python.html
[10:17] <manchicken> gnomefreak: So is ubuntu-qa the group then?'
[10:17] <gnomefreak> manchicken: it works on feisty :)just missing some of the nice options like reboot to a certain distro
[10:17] <gnomefreak> manchicken: yes
[10:18] <gnomefreak> manchicken: you would need to ping sfllaw in #ubuntu-bugs after applying
[10:18] <manchicken> gnomefreak: Cool.  I only have one distro installed, so I don't have that problem. ;)
[10:18] <manchicken> Righto
[10:18] <gnomefreak> he will ask you a bunch of questions and either yes or no. please have bugs youve worked on handy
[10:20] <Lure> Riddell: yep, kdeipc sounds cool
[10:21] <manchicken> Okie dokie.  Joined and pinged.
[10:21] <manchicken> Well, I've only got the one assigned to me.
[10:21] <manchicken> Haven't worked on any yet.
[10:21] <manchicken> Though I triaged the one I created ^_^
[10:24] <Lure> any motu here to upload soundkonverter for me: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4236
[10:24] <Lure> or is this not allowed during main freeze?
[10:25] <Riddell> it's allowed
[10:39] <gnomefreak> win 22
[10:40] <Riddell> aren't we good enough? :(
[10:40] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like the only install dependency that's needed for Kmail to do S/MIME by default is kleopatra.  Everything else will get pulled in by that.
[10:41] <ScottK> I have S/MIME config files that worked with KDE 3.5.1 on opensuse, but they don't work here, so I need to investigate more.
[10:42] <ScottK> I guess that would be gnugp config files...
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ScottK: cant use ubuntus gnupg in opensuse either
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ~/.gnupg
[10:43] <gnomefreak> and it sucks
[10:43] <ScottK> OK.
[10:43] <ScottK> Which, ours, there's or the fact that they aren't compatible?
[10:44] <ScottK> that would be their's...
[10:44] <gnomefreak> i tried to set tb to sign mail and it wouldnt let me use the ~/.gnupg from ubutnu
[10:44] <Riddell> hmm, 2227k, might be able to squeeze it in
[10:44] <Riddell> ScottK: but does it actually need kleopatra?  that's only for managing keys
[10:45] <ScottK> I'll investigate that too.
[10:45] <ScottK> I know I need it because I work with people that use non-standard CA certs.
[10:46] <Riddell> ScottK: but it all works once it's installed?
[10:46] <seaLne> how does that work compared to self-signed etc imaps etc?
[10:46] <ScottK> I'll check and report back.
[10:47] <ScottK> As gnomefreak pointed out, I need to get rid of some opensuse kruft I have left over...
[10:47] <gnomefreak> ScottK: i was thinking im not so sure suse 10.2 has a key-manager instaleld by default
[10:47] <gnomefreak> but suse to ubuntu should work. im asking in #suse to make sure
[10:48] <gnomefreak> but im sure ill end up asking one of ubuntu's suse users
[10:48] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Appreciate the help.
[10:49] <gnomefreak> np
[10:51] <gnomefreak> we take packages from unstable or testing?
[10:51] <gnomefreak> s/take/merge
[11:02] <mhb> sorry about that, but I'm not able to attend the meeting ... please change my MainInclusionReport draft as necessary (if it will be discussed) and if it is okay move it to the proper place. Thank you so much.
[11:06] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks like gpgsm + gnupg-agent are enough to get Kmail to believe it can do S/MIME.  Together with dependencies they are 717kb (512kb + 205kb) of additional archives (I assume that's the size constraint you worry about).  Once I get it working, I'll report back for sure...
[11:07] <Riddell> not bad
[11:42] <allee> Tonio_: ping?  Can you refer to lauchpad bugs of add some examples to your media entry?
[11:43] <allee> s/of/or/
[11:44] <Tonio_> yo
[11:44] <Tonio_> allee: I'm just preparing the meeting so yes I'm doing this :)
[11:44] <Jucato> meeting...
[11:45] <Tonio_> allee: I haven't been there today for this sorry, but I'm searching both a job and a new appartment :)
[11:45] <Tonio_> takes a bit of time
[11:45] <allee> Tonio_: np ;)
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[11:46] <Riddell> hi Tonio_
[11:47] <Tonio_> hi Riddell
[11:47] <Tonio_> I was just looking at the kcontrol issue, it is very strange
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: all kcontrol modules appear in "found items" in my kmenu
[11:48] <Tonio_> looks like kde misses the X-KDE-Settings tag
[11:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll try to fix this tomorrow
[11:51] <stdin> Tonio_: that is the same as what I had, before the upgrade to version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4
[11:52] <yuriy> Tonio_: mine was doing that too, but i just checked and the only thing in lost & found is "add/remove..." (which i guess is the gnome version of it)
[11:52] <Tonio_> hum....... maybe that's a profile issue, I'll have to test on a new kde profile
[11:57] <Riddell> ** meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:59] <Lure> Tonio_: hi - if you have time for one upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4236 ;-)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Lure: sure
[12:00] <Tonio_> Lure: are you motu now ? sorry for yesterday I couldn't be there :)
[12:00] <Hobbsee> morning all!
[12:00] <Jucato> morning Hobbsee!
[12:00] <Lure> Tonio_: not yet - will be the first one to go through moto council ;-)
[12:01] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe, cool :)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> hey Tonio_!
[12:01] <Tonio_> TIME FOR THE MEETING !
[12:01] <Tonio_> hi Hobbsee
[12:02] <Riddell> ping toma_
[12:02] <toma_> Riddell: i'm going to bed in 10 minutes, too late for me...
[12:03] <Riddell> ok, sleep well
[12:03] <Hobbsee> toma_: heya!
[12:03] <toma_> hi Hobbsee
[12:08] <nixternal> oi oi
[12:09] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[12:09] <Hobbsee> meeting's started
[12:09] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee, just got out of class, eating my parfait :)
[12:09] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/82563 hrm
[12:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82563 in k3b "no access k3bsetup under ubuntu feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[12:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: neat :)
[12:09] <Jucato> it's cold... and I'm nervous... not a good combination...
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Jucato: dont be nervous
[12:11] <Jucato> nooooo!
[12:11] <Jucato> my hands are literally shaking from the cold...
[12:13] <Jucato> tththtthhanks
[12:15] <claydoh> err pocket hand warmers
[12:15] <Jucato> heh