[12:14] <dco> ok
[12:14] <Jucato> anyway, gotta go...
[12:16] <djwilcox> can anyone give me an tips to get the sound working in 6.10
[12:16] <Soul^Reaver> WOW kde is up to 6.10 u ned update :P
[12:16] <Soul^Reaver> u install kubuntu it works :P
[12:17] <distro-tester> ok first i do this  /etc/apt/sources.list ? then the command link it says in console?
[12:18] <distro-tester> is it stable to do update kde to 3.5.6 or it's better to leave 3.5.5?
[12:18] <Soul^Reaver> djw what sound kard you using?
[12:18] <djwilcox> its an apple mac
[12:18] <djwilcox> 12 inch powerbook
[12:18] <Soul^Reaver> why? u can update to 6.10 & have all he goodies & fixes :P
[12:18] <Steven07> what is the difference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[12:18] <Kingsley``> i'm trying to install fglrx and get this error when i try to buildpkg
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> 12" he hehe u wish
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> oh the pc :P
[12:19] <Kingsley``> Verifying archive integrity...Error in MD5 checksums: 20807e69b26e7baa1176da0d594968e3 is different from 095ee06415d8206d9118db8160b78f66
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> sorry
[12:19] <Kingsley``> any solution?
[12:19] <djwilcox> yer ha ha
[12:19] <djwilcox> just cant get the sound working
[12:19] <distro-tester> any one knows if kde 3.5. 6 is stable or it's better to keep 5?
[12:19] <djwilcox> doesnt see my soundcard
[12:19] <Kingsley``> i've had no problems with 3.5.6
[12:19] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.. using applemac or did u install kubuntu on it?
[12:20] <djwilcox> dual boot mac with kubuntu
[12:20] <rusanso> i've already installed 3.5.6---> no problems
[12:20] <djwilcox> just installed today
[12:20] <djwilcox> it says kmix isnt running
[12:20] <djwilcox> and dont think it sees my soundcard
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> intresting, kubuntu picks up any soundcard with generice device drivers
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> u sure ur sound not muted :P
[12:20] <Soul^Reaver> do u see a speaker in taskbar?
[12:21] <distro-tester> can u tell me how to do it rusanso im not able alone to new to linux
[12:21] <djwilcox> the volume buttons dont work
[12:21] <distro-tester> i can follow u from console what i have to do?
[12:21] <djwilcox> no speaker
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> can u goto propertys by right clicking the speaker?
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.
[12:21] <djwilcox> cant see a speaker in the taskbar
[12:21] <Soul^Reaver> go get a sledge hammer then tell me if it works again :)
[12:22] <djwilcox> have tried shouting at it
[12:22] <Soul^Reaver> hold on lemme see fi I can guide u through the control panel & device installer
[12:22] <distro-tester> any one  offers to help me update kde ill follow him from console
[12:22] <djwilcox> cheers
[12:23] <distro-tester> ciao luca
[12:23] <BluesKaj> djwilcox, do you have kmix listed in the k-menu under Multimedia ?
[12:23] <djwilcox> yer kmix is there
[12:24] <Kingsley``> distro-tester pm me and i'll help
[12:24] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:24] <djwilcox> but the drop down menu in kmix doesnt work
[12:24] <BluesKaj> then you have the spkr turned off in the kmix settings
[12:25] <djwilcox> right - couldnt work out how to turn it on
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> try going to soundsystem in your k panel & resetting it
[12:25] <djwilcox> first day on linux
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> I had this prob before once
[12:25] <Soul^Reaver> oh goto the big K then goto system settings
[12:25] <djwilcox> is that the sound prefs in system
[12:25] <BluesKaj> did you try 'sudo apt-get install kmix ' in the terminal konsole
[12:26] <djwilcox> no i didnt do sudo adt-get install kmix
[12:26] <djwilcox> should i
[12:26] <djwilcox> in system prefs - go to sound
[12:26] <Soul^Reaver> might help :)
[12:27] <djwilcox> ok ill try that first
[12:28] <djwilcox> just ran sudo apt-get install kmix
[12:28] <djwilcox> think i had the most recent version
[12:28] <Soul^Reaver> yeah try resetting the sound after u install it
[12:29] <djwilcox> sorry how do i reset the sound - noob
[12:29] <Soul^Reaver> u can click on then clic off the network sound option to reset it :^)
[12:29] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[12:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:30] <djwilcox> enable network sound is unchecked at the moment
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> check it & apply
[12:30] <BluesKaj> check it
[12:30] <djwilcox> check it
[12:30] <djwilcox> ok
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> then uncheck it apply that a double reset to make sure it goes right
[12:30] <Soul^Reaver> if that dont work use the sledge hammer :)
[12:31] <djwilcox> uncheck then click reset twice
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Soul^Reaver, enuff already with the hammer
[12:31] <Soul^Reaver> :^( I still need to crack this bios for a dell inspiron 3500
[12:31] <djwilcox> reset twice
[12:32] <BluesKaj> hey genii...hows the "power" situation ?
[12:32] <djwilcox> enabled network sound is checked
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> do you see a speaker now?
[12:32] <djwilcox> should i uncheck it
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> yes
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> apply it again
[12:32] <genii> BluesKaj Hiya :) I'm at work now and the systems here seem stable. Just at home
[12:32] <Soul^Reaver> that is double reset & should show a speaker
[12:33] <BluesKaj> ok genii , good luck :)
[12:33] <djwilcox> still no speaker
[12:33] <Soul^Reaver> gggrrr..
[12:33] <genii> Some of those dell and compaq have a partition that holds the bios and not a chip
[12:33] <BluesKaj> did you click the test button ?
[12:33] <luca_b> for those apt with the command line, I've found that killing the sound and then playing any event restarts the server
[12:33] <Soul^Reaver> use ctrl alt backspace reset X server
[12:33] <djwilcox> yer i have been googling away on thiis one
[12:34] <Gacoment> salve ragazzi
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> might just eed a kick
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> need*
[12:34] <luca_b> !it
[12:34] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:34] <djwilcox> whats reset x server
[12:34] <Gacoment> ok
[12:34] <djwilcox> sorry
[12:34] <Soul^Reaver> control alt backspace
[12:34] <BluesKaj> djwilcox, goto hardware tab , what is the detection option set at?
[12:35] <djwilcox> its on autodetect
[12:35] <Soul^Reaver> hats a linux reboot, doesnt power down pc just a quick reboot of systems
[12:35] <Soul^Reaver> u see a soudcard in your Hardware config?
[12:35] <BluesKaj> is full duplex checked?
[12:35] <djwilcox> stuff like - open sound system
[12:36] <djwilcox> full duplex not checked
[12:36] <BluesKaj> check it
[12:36] <genii> Anyone using preseed files? If so how to successfully add some default user from there.
[12:36] <luca_b> a way to see if your card is seen by the system (if you use command line): lspci | grep audio
[12:36] <djwilcox> check full duplex
[12:36] <djwilcox> ok
[12:36] <BluesKaj> apply
[12:36] <djwilcox> the apply
[12:36] <Soul^Reaver> mine wasnt on full mine works :)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yours is yours
[12:37] <BluesKaj> not his
[12:37] <djwilcox> done that
[12:37] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:37] <Soul^Reaver> pc = pwns mac :)
[12:38] <BluesKaj> does kmix open in the K-menu ?
[12:38] <djwilcox> ok ill open kmix
[12:39] <djwilcox> kmix opens
[12:39] <djwilcox> speaker in taskbar with red x
[12:39] <BluesKaj> ok
[12:39] <cosmodad> everytime I close my Thinkpad T40's lid, the screen turns black but I cannot "wake it" unless I restart kdm via ssh. What's happening here?
[12:39] <djwilcox> the current mixer drop down menu doesnt work
[12:39] <cosmodad> pressing a key doesn't help...
[12:40] <Soul^Reaver> now all u have to do Is un-mute ur volume
[12:40] <djwilcox> how do i unmute
[12:41] <djwilcox> sorry feel realy dense
[12:41] <Soul^Reaver> cos I dont think kde understands the sleep mode its using aka apm
[12:41] <BluesKaj> right click on the panel spkr icon , does a dialog box open
[12:41] <distro-tester> is firestarter the best firewall u can get for linux software one ?
[12:42] <Soul^Reaver> u can use pc-cillin firewall for linux if u want a good one
[12:42] <djwilcox> if i click the speaker kmix opens
[12:42] <Soul^Reaver> right click on left :P
[12:43] <djwilcox> got a trackpad not sure if i can right click
[12:43] <distro-tester> please tell what's the best firewall software for u for linux and kde ?
[12:43] <djwilcox> ctrl click doesnt seem 2 work
[12:43] <genii> A router
[12:43] <distro-tester> what about firestarter if u all ready nat genii?
[12:43] <Soul^Reaver> Distro I gunna try trend micro internet securitys firewall for linux I let u know :)
[12:43] <frojnd> why can't I write to media sda4? this is df -h output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3521/
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> I use trend micro pc-cilin fo pc windows & it pwns
[12:44] <distro-tester> thanx
[12:44] <cosmodad> everytime I close my Thinkpad T40's lid, the screen turns black but I cannot "wake it" unless I restart kdm via ssh. Can anyone help me?
[12:44] <genii> I haven't used that one. Normally I would go with smoothwall or similar if I had to choose however
[12:44] <distro-tester> i will paste u if everything went right in kde update 1 min so u tell me
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> cosmo repeating wont help u
[12:44] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[12:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <Soul^Reaver> wait like everyone else cosmodad
[12:45] <sciulkki> i con't start docp server
[12:45] <djwilcox> still having a bit of grief with the sound
[12:45] <BluesKaj> ok, djwilcox,  try to open the kmix window in the spkr icon dialog box , and look for ICE 958 playback
[12:45] <distro-tester> ok it's still updating kde ill wait
[12:45] <Soul^Reaver> well I test it a few days distro see if it good liek the pc version i sue :)
[12:46] <djwilcox> in the drop down menu
[12:46] <distro-tester>  i would like the comunity here to vote best software firewall for kde thanx vote now
[12:46] <djwilcox> its blank
[12:46] <distro-tester> firestarter me
[12:46] <BluesKaj> on the speaker icon
[12:46] <Soul^Reaver> hey all I dont got a midi mapper, what file on my pc is it to use midimapper?
[12:46] <djwilcox> if i click the speaker kmix opens
[12:46] <djwilcox> cant seem to right cliick the speaker
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok, djwilcox , what sound card are you running ?
[12:47] <djwilcox> im using an apple mac
[12:47] <djwilcox> 12 inch powerbook
[12:47] <Soul^Reaver> :P
[12:47] <crookshanks> what's the best plugin to install for embedded audio with firefox?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> yes, but do you know what soundcard is being used
[12:48] <Soul^Reaver> heh I asked him that before blue :P
[12:48] <distro-tester> Qt: 3.3.6
[12:48] <distro-tester> KDE: 3.5.6
[12:48] <distro-tester> kde-config: 1.0
[12:48] <djwilcox> ill get a usb mouse from downstiars
[12:48] <distro-tester> hurraaaaaaaaaaa
[12:48] <djwilcox> not sure about the soundcard
[12:48] <distro-tester> at last i made it thanx to the help of a user to update
[12:48] <djwilcox> but it doesnt seem 2 see it
[12:48] <frojnd> why can't I write to media sda4? it says I don't have permissions...
[12:48] <Soul^Reaver> u need to sudo it
[12:49] <frojnd> even if I do sudo chmod 777 /dev/sda4
[12:49] <frojnd> nothing..
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> in terminal u can sudo su enter pass to have an open root access
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> might need root access
[12:49] <Soul^Reaver> or chmod +x
[12:50] <djwilcox> got a 3 button mouse can now right click the speaker
[12:50] <djwilcox> lol
[12:51] <djwilcox> blame apple with their one button mouse
[12:51] <frojnd> anyone know why can't write /dev/sda4 ?
[12:51] <Soul^Reaver> apple mac = l8mrs, they got graphics other funcionality is like using CLI or gentoo :P
[12:51] <djwilcox> can see a mute button
[12:52] <frojnd> O made at installation partitions, don't know why they don't work
[12:52] <djwilcox> but it doesnt work
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> did you chmod +h the dev/sda4
[12:52] <frojnd> o = I
[12:52] <frojnd> no..
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> chmod +x orry
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> sorry keyboard sucks at work
[12:52] <frojnd> chmod +h dev/sda4 ?
[12:52] <Soul^Reaver> sorry +x keyboard reall sucks :P
[12:53] <enouche> you have to mount it , frojnd
[12:53] <tamacracker> Hey guys, where can I find Login screen themes specifically... gnome-look.org is givin me a hard time
[12:53] <djwilcox> have to change the permissions on the soundcard
[12:54] <djwilcox> using chmod
[12:54] <djwilcox> is that right
[12:54] <djwilcox> so the soundcard can be seen
[12:54] <Soul^Reaver> um dj we talking to froj :P
[12:54] <djwilcox> sorry
[12:54] <Soul^Reaver> no click on the button that says administration mode
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> u can access the device then
[12:55] <djwilcox> is that in the sound system prefs
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> yeah
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> eerr no
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> devices
[12:55] <Soul^Reaver> sorry
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> please hold $me is having a brainfart
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> gggrr..
[12:56] <Soul^Reaver> is sound cutting or not playing??
[12:56] <djwilcox> not playing at all
[12:57] <djwilcox> no beeps when booting into linux
[12:57] <djwilcox> but sound in mac osx
[12:57] <frojnd> ok, I mounted /dev/sda4 into /media/sda4
[12:57] <frojnd> but when I go into /media/sda4
[12:57] <frojnd> I can't make any new folders..
[12:58] <heretic> hi
[12:58] <frojnd> nevermind
[12:59] <frojnd> I needed to add some permissions
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> well dj it dont liek ur soundcard
[12:59] <heretic> i have a little problem ....in gdm and kdm .... i can't read any word ..fonts are VERY little ..what can i do ^
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> might be incompatable
[12:59] <Soul^Reaver> change ur resolution to 1024 768
[12:59] <djwilcox> that bad
[01:00] <Soul^Reaver> that was to heretic :P
[01:00] <Soul^Reaver> keep playing with it, it will either work or piss u off :P
[01:01] <ciro> raga  la seconda vbolta che facico la stessa sciocchezza
[01:01] <ciro> ma se premo shift e backspace che ho fatto?
[01:01] <BluesKaj> there may be linux drivers for your soundcard djwilcox, but it's gonna take some searching :P
[01:01] <djwilcox> a bit of googling
[01:01] <heretic> Soul^Reaver:mm =)  i can't change it ... is 1360x768 ... im on a samsung tv
[01:01] <juano__> djwilcox: what soundcard ?
[01:01] <djwilcox> ill have a look at the specs for my soundcard and hit google
[01:02] <heretic> ciro ..cambi risoluzione credo
[01:02] <djwilcox> got no sound
[01:02] <FairLite> !it | ciro
[01:02] <ubotu> ciro: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:02] <djwilcox> just installed kubuntu 6.10 on a mac
[01:03] <Soul^Reaver> u cant right click on desktop goto propertys & change resolution?
[01:04] <juano__> djwilcox: tell me what soundcard ill have a look in google
[01:05] <djwilcox> thanks ill have to log out and boot into mac osx
[01:05] <Soul^Reaver> heretic if ur using a gui u can goto display options change resolution :)
[01:05] <djwilcox> i just log out and have at the specs on the laptop
[01:05] <Soul^Reaver> ohno dont do that
[01:05] <heretic> Soul^Reaver: ....=)  for sure  but my tv is 16:9 ,,, i need that res...
[01:06] <heretic> 1360x768 .....
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> well the pc should ajust to the res
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> if u play games there settings will allow the high res :P
[01:06] <Soul^Reaver> this is just desktop resolution lowered so u can read everything
[01:07] <Soul^Reaver> or u can get a large magnefying glass to look at ur screen
[01:07] <heretic> nono but the kde is ok .....
[01:07] <Soul^Reaver> the icons are tiny so are the words?
[01:08] <heretic> only on kdm or gdm ... i see very little font ... only on the bottons
[01:08] <Soul^Reaver> hhmm.
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> does it seem like only bottom of screen in high res?
[01:09] <heretic> same thing for only one app .. ati contro panel
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> weird what kinda video card, I know ati what ver
[01:09] <frojnd> I have HUGE problem
[01:09] <Soul^Reaver> eer model*
[01:09] <heretic> sorry button =P
[01:10] <heretic> not botton
[01:10] <frojnd> I forgot password for my banc acc certificate
[01:10] <frojnd> how can I broke certificate
[01:10] <frojnd> or decrypt?
[01:10] <frojnd> please help
[01:10] <frojnd> I only know that there where numbers from 1 to 3
[01:10] <frojnd> and big and small letters..
[01:10] <Soul^Reaver> LOL spamming liek thta wont help u, as for decrypting u might wanan try the geeks in Linux channel
[01:11] <frojnd> geeks?
[01:11] <frojnd> package name?
[01:11] <Soul^Reaver> yeah ppl who spend 24/7 on linux :P
[01:11] <Soul^Reaver> try channel #linux I said :p they might know more about that
[01:12] <flaccid---> frojnd: call your bank
[01:12] <frojnd> they won't tell
[01:13] <frojnd> I'll have to wait one week till I get a new certificate..
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> well then ur not owner of account cus u dont got the info required
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> they should ask a question
[01:13] <Soul^Reaver> to verify ur who u say u are
[01:14] <Soul^Reaver> if not the bank u got sucks :P
[01:14] <frojnd> bank will send me new certificate for 100%
[01:14] <frojnd> I just need acc now :)
[01:15] <Soul^Reaver> this not the place to get that kinda info
[01:15] <Soul^Reaver> consult ur bank about getting it sooner, its all u can do
[01:16] <magnus_> HEY! I got a problem whit the java complimater. the javac file lies in the folder /usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin. And i have manedg to make the javac work bay the command. export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin . However every time i restart the terminal, i have to rewrite it to make the javac work. what must i do for make the javav work whotput use the command everytime i restart the terminal?
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> then save it in a script that will load with the terminal
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> the terminal options should give u optional command lines
[01:17] <magnus_> okey, how do i do that
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> eerrr..
[01:17] <Soul^Reaver> let me see
[01:18] <Soul^Reaver> magnus what u using kde?
[01:18] <magnus_> yeah kde
[01:19] <Soul^Reaver> good click on the big K click on system then right click on Konsol tell it edit item
[01:20] <magnus_> okey
[01:20] <Soul^Reaver> u see a where it says run in terminal? click that & enter the command option aka ur script
[01:20] <Soul^Reaver> that SHOULD work :P
[01:22] <cosmodad> what happens when I close my notebook lid? I changed the ACPI lid event to echo some plain line to /tmp/foo but it wouldn't be called
[01:22] <Soul^Reaver> I dunno cosmo
[01:22] <Soul^Reaver> if nobody ehre knows try #linux
[01:24] <cosmodad> Soul^Reaver: I will
[01:25] <frojnd> !gpg
[01:25] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[01:25] <djwilcox> back from the land of apple
[01:26] <djwilcox> im running a Texas instruments TAS3004 soundcard
[01:27] <djwilcox> on a powerbook g4 mac
[01:27] <djwilcox> but the sound doesnt work
[01:29] <Soul^Reaver> TAS3004?? No no thats a calcualtor man, ur looking at a calculator :P j/k
[01:30] <Soul^Reaver> j/k
[01:30] <jpiccolo> flash worked fine on firefox for me, untill i install mozilla now i get "This SWF files is known to tirgger bugs in the swfdec decoder. Playback is cancelled." and firefox freezes
[01:30] <jpiccolo> anyone know why
[01:30] <djwilcox> sa
[01:30] <Soul^Reaver> I need help myself ne know secret around a phoenix bios 4.0 password :P
[01:31] <jpiccolo> reset the bios
[01:31] <djwilcox> typo - found some stuff in the forum
[01:31] <Soul^Reaver> mozilla is firefox.. what u mean
[01:31] <Soul^Reaver> LAPTOP Bios pass u cant reset it
[01:31] <jpiccolo> Soul^Reaver: well i did a apt-get install mozilla and now everything is messed up
[01:32] <Soul^Reaver> then remove it so firefox takes over swf
[01:32] <jpiccolo> i did but it only removed 24k bytes
[01:32] <djwilcox> found something that says type - sudo modprobe snd-powermac
[01:32] <jpiccolo> so i dont think it really removed it
[01:32] <shoroot> !java
[01:32] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:33] <djwilcox> then type alsamiker
[01:33] <jpiccolo> but also Aptana needs mozilla installed
[01:33] <shoroot> Oh, it's the same bot. :)
[01:41] <jpiccolo> Soul^Reaver: i needed to remove swf-player, now it works
[01:45] <Soul^Reaver> lol kk
[01:46] <Soul^Reaver> blasted lights cut out at work carefully messin with old switches as I smell wires cooking :(
[01:48] <Soul^Reaver> just like my lights everything died :(
[01:49] <Soul^Reaver> anyone know how to crack a laptop bios pass?
[01:49] <Soul^Reaver> phoenix bios v4.0 pass need to crack it for customer
[01:51] <Minataku> UBCD
[01:51] <Minataku> Grab a copy of Ultimate Boot CD
[01:51] <Minataku> It's got some BIOS crackers on it
[01:52] <jeff_> HI, all
[01:52] <jeff_> This is a really silly question, and I've come across it multiple times, but in the past, I've gotten around it with shell or perl (yeah, overkill) scripting.
[01:53] <jeff_> I need to rename a bunch of .htm files to .html  Something like mv *.htm *.html
[01:53] <FairLite> jeff_: man rename
[01:53] <jeff_> but of course that syntax doesn't work, because mv thinks I want to move those into a directory.
[01:53] <jeff_> FairLite: holy crap, I can't believe I missed that command.
[01:53] <jeff_> I've always used mv to rename.
[01:54] <devilsadvocate> jeff_, :D
[01:54] <FairLite> jeff_: which is fine. rename is just for when you need to rename in a batch
[01:54] <flaccid---> rename is not on all *nix but its v handy on ubuntu!
[01:54] <Soul^Reaver> now that ppl awake, can ne1 tell me how to bypass a phoenix bios V4.0 ??
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> pass*
[01:55] <flaccid---> Soul^Reaver: didn't Minataku answer?
[01:55] <jeff_> Ah.  I'll have to familiarize myself with it.  with the regexes, it could be quite powerful.
[01:55] <Minataku> I did
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> dunno I was afk lights went ouy
[01:55] <Minataku> Apparantly I was ignored
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> out*
[01:55] <Minataku> Grab a copy of Ultimate Boot CD
[01:55] <Minataku> It's got some BIOS crackers on it
[01:55] <jeff_> All right, feel free to post my idiocy to bash.org or something.
[01:55] <Soul^Reaver> doesnt rn rename?
[01:56] <FairLite> jeff_: anyway, you could still just do something like   for file in *.htm; do mv "${file}" "${file}l"; done
[01:56] <jeff_> Wait, how does a boot CD help you with BIOS issues?
[01:56] <FairLite> there is no "rn" command
[01:56] <Minataku> jeff_: It's "Ultimate Boot CD"
[01:56] <snikker> hi, someones know where kdemenu save my personal entry that i've added?
[01:56] <Soul^Reaver> sorry ren*
[01:56] <Minataku> It's got a load of utilities and such on it
[01:56] <jjesse> anyone around from last night and my problems w/ vmware-player?
[01:56] <Slackwise> No, there is no "rn". You simply "move" (mv) the file to a new file name.
[01:56] <FairLite> jjesse: no, but what are those?
[01:56] <Minataku> http://ubcd.sourceforge.net If I'm not mistaken
[01:56] <FairLite> Soul^Reaver: that's an MS-DOS command
[01:57] <jjesse> i can't get vmware-player to install successfully
[01:57] <jeff_> Minataku: ok, but how do you use the utilities if the BIOS is locked?
[01:57] <jjesse> and i can't get vmware-server to install either :(
[01:57] <FairLite> jjesse: specifically?
[01:57] <Soul^Reaver> I used it in kde :P
[01:57] <Minataku> jeff_: I'm assuming it's a setup password, not a boot password
[01:57] <jeff_> jjesse: I didn't have any issues with it.  You installing player or server?
[01:57] <jjesse> apt-get install vmware-player shows an error for invoke-rc.d initscript action "start"
[01:57] <jeff_> Minataku: ah.  all clear.
[01:57] <FairLite> jeff_, once your system has booted, it can modify the CMOS just fine
[01:57] <Minataku> If it's a boot password, look up the mainboard manual and reset the NVRAM
[01:57] <FairLite> assuming it knows how to of course
[01:57] <jjesse> well i hoped to get vmware-server installed
[01:57] <jjesse> but failed and needed vmware for work
[01:57] <Minataku> NVRAM aka CMOS
[01:57] <FairLite> jjesse: paste the whole output on the pastebin please
[01:58] <jeff_> Minataku: Yeah, that's what I was thinking:  pull the battery and do whatever other voodoo you need to do to clear it.
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> ok who talking to who? I need to bypassa password on an phoenix bios
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> this a laptop
[01:58] <Soul^Reaver> u cant pull nothing
[01:58] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Boot password or setup password?
[01:58] <jjesse> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3528/
[01:58] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Laptops can be opened like any other computer
[01:58] <Minataku> Now answer, please
[01:59] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Boot password or setup password?
[01:59] <jeff_> jjesse: sorry, I can't help.  I installed server and player both from the .tgzs from vmware.  Those worked like a charm
[01:59] <jjesse> jeff_:  now everytime i try to install a package i get that error
[02:00] <Bxnp-> hi everybody
[02:00] <jjesse> hello Bxnp-
[02:00] <Bxnp-> so tell me whats news today in the tech world
[02:00] <jeff_> jjesse: that error looks like it's coming from the startup script for vmplayer, not the actual package install.
[02:00] <FairLite> jjesse: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <Soul^Reaver> /me points out :$me + laptop + phoenix bios + pass = no OS
[02:00] <FairLite> i somehow believe you have mismatched repositories
[02:01] <jjesse> jeff_: that's what i thought
[02:01] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: I'm beginning to think you've stolen a laptop
[02:01] <Minataku> Since you really don't seem to have the qualifications to be hired to do a recovery for a customer
[02:02] <jeff_> jjesse: I think you're in better hands with others than with I.  The error in your pastebin is definitely from /etc/init.d/something -- but it also appears that you're having some apt issues.
[02:02] <jjesse> yeah this is the third install of edgy i've done lately to try nad get vmware working
[02:02] <Minataku> But then I'm a cynical bastard, so my sincerest apologies
[02:02] <jjesse> last night all i could get w/ vmware-server was that i needed to rerun that script
[02:02] <FairLite> jeff_, if the running kernel doesn't match the vmware kernel modules, that thing won't start. and this can easily happen if you have -updates and -security enabled for main and restricted but not for universe and multiverse
[02:03] <jjesse> hmmm
[02:03] <Minataku> Now, Soul^Reaver, if you would kindly answer so I may attempt to help you anyway, is this laptop secured with a boot password or a setup password?
[02:03] <FairLite> jjesse, just pastebin your sources.list please
[02:03] <FairLite> i think i can fix this
[02:03] <Soul^Reaver> ............
[02:03] <jjesse> FairLite: I would owe you a beer or something then if you can
[02:03] <Minataku> I'm guessing it's a boot password, since your last comment leads me to think that
[02:03] <jeff_> FairLite: ah, I forgot about that whole kernel step.  I just let it compile and didn't think anything of it.
[02:03] <Minataku> In which case there is no way to crack it other than either guessing or opening it up and clearing the CMOS settings
[02:04] <FairLite> except that some BIOS's have backdoors
[02:04] <FairLite> just some, though.
[02:04] <Minataku> Soul^Reaver: Again, my apologies for accusing you of being a thief
[02:04] <Minataku> I've just had a bad day
[02:04] <Soul^Reaver> I need a backdor
[02:04] <Soul^Reaver> Award phoenix bios V4.0 has pass & need bypassed
[02:04] <FairLite> then google for it, it's not like i remember them by heart :)
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> If I could  google it I wouldnt be here
[02:05] <Minataku> ...
[02:05] <jeff_> Soul^Reaver: Um, you just got the backdoor.  Clear the CMOS.
[02:05] <FairLite> or, one could say - how can you be here if you can't google? :o)
[02:05] <Minataku> If you're here then certainly you can Google it
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> DUUDUUHHHHH I CANT
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> LAPtop
[02:05] <FairLite> !caps
[02:05] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:05] <Minataku> Laptops are held together with screws.
[02:05] <Soul^Reaver> listen before u speak
[02:05] <Minataku> Screws can be undone with a screwdriver.
[02:06] <Soul^Reaver> !flog off
[02:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flog off - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <jeff_> I have been, and I think you need to take your own advice.
[02:06] <Minataku> Inside a laptop are electronics quite like any other computer.
[02:06] <Minataku> lol
[02:06] <jjesse> sorry lost wireless connetion
[02:06] <Flying_Eagle> hi
[02:06] <Minataku> Arigato, LjL-san
[02:06] <jeff_> Minataku: I thought laptops ran of pixie dust and fairy droppings.
[02:06] <Minataku> jeff_: rofl
[02:07] <shadowhywind> hay does anyone use a calendar program in linux?
[02:07] <jjesse> FairLite: pastebin is here:http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3529/
[02:07] <Minataku> Nah, I've been inside several, worst I've ever seen was regular dust
[02:07] <CapNbeefy> is there anyway i can get rid of konqueror and use something else to view my files....i absolutely hate konqueror
[02:07] <Minataku> shadowhywind: I use "cal"
[02:07] <Minataku> So I probably won't be much help
[02:07] <Minataku> XD
[02:07] <shadowhywind> cal? how is it
[02:07] <Minataku> Open a terminal and type cal
[02:07] <FairLite> jjesse: i think it is as i thought... let me edit that
[02:07] <Minataku> What you get is pretty much what there is
[02:07] <shadowhywind> hehe
[02:07] <Minataku> lol
[02:08] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: do you hate a particular feature of Konq, or the entire thing?
[02:08] <Minataku> You can specify a month and year
[02:08] <jjesse> FairLite: sorry for the bother, i must have messed up i hsould know better
[02:08] <CapNbeefy> i guess im just not use to it jeff
[02:08] <Minataku> 4-digit year, though
[02:08] <shadowhywind> i am more looking for like a icalendar, sunbird calendar program, one that i can print a weekview of tasks
[02:08] <CapNbeefy> i prefered browing files in ubuntu before i switched
[02:08] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: Ah.  Well, I think you can also get some of the gnome stuff like Nautilus (does anyone know if that's the file manager vanilla ubuntu uses?)
[02:09] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: You could always look in the package manage for nautilus.
[02:09] <FairLite> jjesse: use this version http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3532/ and type "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get -f install"
[02:09] <Minataku> shadowhywind: Type this in a terminal: "cal 09 1752" (Then type "man cal" for an explanation ;3 )
[02:09] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: provided someone can back me up on that name.
[02:09] <CapNbeefy> yeah....what happens if i delete kaffeine and konqueror how do i get things to open in say totem and nautilus
[02:09] <Minataku> !calendar
[02:09] <ubotu> calendar is at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[02:09] <Minataku> Oh, shut up, ubotu
[02:09] <Minataku> lol
[02:09] <distro-tester> !kopete
[02:09] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:09] <shadowhywind> i am looking for a calendar that i can leave tasks/todo/ my scheduel
[02:10] <distro-tester> hey minataku hello how are u?
[02:10] <Minataku> Hi, distro-tester
[02:10] <Minataku> I'm okay
[02:10] <jjesse> i wonder if that was my problems w/ vmware-server then as well ?
[02:10] <soulrider> CapNbeefy: if you want you can install nautilus and synaptic if you prefer them over the kubuntu defaults
[02:10] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: hmm, I'm not sure if you use Nautilus if it will use the normal KDE file associations or not.
[02:10] <CapNbeefy> actually biggest problem is i dont like kubuntu at all and i want my old ubuntu back....gnome crashes when i try to log in now...i dont know how to get it back to my normal ubuntu
[02:10] <distro-tester> im doing fine thanx to helpers here i updatated kde
[02:11] <distro-tester> u know if kopete is last version on 6.10 mina?
[02:11] <Minataku> Cool
[02:11] <Minataku> No idea
[02:11] <Minataku> I use Gentoo, not Kubuntu, sorry
[02:11] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: you can always install nautilus, and take it from there, but it sounds like the root is that your GNOME installation is hosed.
[02:11] <distro-tester> !kopete
[02:11] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:11] <distro-tester> seems to be last one
[02:11] <jeff_> Minataku: if you use Gentoo, why are you hanging out in #kubuntu (not that it's bad -- just curious)
[02:11] <CapNbeefy> i installed thinking id just get kde enviremont but it changed everything
[02:11] <distro-tester> so what u doing here mina u like the comunity?
[02:11] <Minataku> I was lured in with free stuff
[02:11] <CapNbeefy> id like to get back to ubuntu but i dont know how and i dont want to lose all my stuff
[02:11] <Minataku> Then decided to stay and assist people
[02:12] <distro-tester> btw gentoo is nice just to hard
[02:12] <jeff_> Yeah, free stuff is the fall of western civilization.  That and Larry Flynn.
[02:12] <Minataku> jeff_: Free stuff is what's gonna save western civilization
[02:12] <distro-tester> any one knows if kopete is up to date on 6,10?
[02:12] <Minataku> Since we all know money isn't gonna save it
[02:12] <distro-tester> yes socialist power mina
[02:13] <jeff_> Minataku: No, free stuff and Larry Flynn will save western civ.
[02:13] <Minataku> Nah, just anti-capitalism
[02:13] <Minataku> For me, anyway
[02:13] <Minataku> lol
[02:13] <distro-tester> just switch to ubuntu kubuntu and trow gentoo out  the windows eheh
[02:13] <Minataku> jeff_: Ah, I read you wrong, sorry
[02:13] <CapNbeefy> does anyone know how to switch from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[02:13] <Minataku> CapNbeefy: Uninstall KDE, install GNOME
[02:13] <Minataku> Though why you'd want to do that confounds me
[02:13] <distro-tester> who knows if 6.10 has last version of kopete?
[02:14] <FairLite> !kopete
[02:14] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 (edgy), package size 6824 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[02:14] <jeff_> CapNbeefy: Yeah, what Minataku
[02:14] <FairLite> is this the latest version?
[02:14] <distro-tester> don't know that's what im asking u
[02:14] <distro-tester> eheh
[02:14] <Minataku> That version number makes me head hurt
[02:14] <FairLite> well doesn't it say on the kopete site?
[02:14] <Minataku> s/me/my/
[02:14] <CapNbeefy> hmm
[02:14] <distro-tester> u know command to see version in console mina?
[02:15] <CapNbeefy> reinstalling gnome right now
[02:15] <FairLite> apt-cache policy <packagename>
[02:15] <Minataku> distro-tester: A lot of commands have -v or --version
[02:15] <Minataku> Could try that
[02:15] <distro-tester> !amsn
[02:15] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[02:15] <Minataku> Or wait
[02:15] <Minataku> It should have Help -> About
[02:15] <Minataku> Ala Windows
[02:15] <Minataku> Check that
[02:15] <soulrider> distro-tester: it does
[02:16] <distro-tester> thanx soul
[02:16] <soulrider> well, you have to update KDE because th eone on the CD isnt updated
[02:16] <jjesse> FairLite: still getting the same error
[02:16] <soulrider> distro-tester: personally i like GAIM
[02:16] <distro-tester> amsn is old version do u know where to find new one?
[02:16] <FairLite> jjesse: which packages did the "apt-get upgrade" upgrade?
[02:16] <distro-tester> yes but i nead webcam
[02:16] <jeff_> all right, thanks for the help all.  gotta get back on task.
[02:16] <soulrider> ah, Kopete then
[02:16] <jjesse> none
[02:16] <Minataku> Unfortunately, self-compiling/self-installing is not recommended in *buntu
[02:17] <jjesse> 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0- not upgraded
[02:17] <Minataku> Since it confuses the hell out of the package manager
[02:17] <FairLite> jjesse: none? sure you correctly changed your sources.list to the one i gave you?
[02:17] <distro-tester> ok command is kopete --version
[02:18] <distro-tester> so who knows where to get latest version of amsn?
[02:18] <distro-tester> .30
[02:18] <jjesse> FairLite: i copied and pasted what was in the pastebin
[02:18] <george> alguem pode me ajudar?
[02:18] <Minataku> Doh... the one time I know the GUI way to do something is the time they explicitly ask for the CLI way XD ( Sorry X3 )
[02:18] <FairLite> jjesse: not including the line numbers, i would hope ;)
[02:18] <distro-tester> i even nead to know the command to run ckhunter and chrootkit minataku if u know that
[02:18] <FairLite> !pt | george
[02:18] <ubotu> george: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[02:18] <distro-tester> !ckhunter
[02:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ckhunter - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:18] <Minataku> rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> chkrootkit
[02:19] <flaccid---> !find hunter
[02:19] <ubotu> Found: rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> !rkhunter
[02:19] <ubotu> rkhunter: rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-5 (edgy), package size 112 kB, installed size 488 kB
[02:19] <Minataku> !chkrootkit
[02:19] <ubotu> chkrootkit: Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46a-3 (edgy), package size 248 kB, installed size 708 kB
[02:19] <distro-tester> how u run it from shell?
[02:19] <Minataku> Type the name
[02:19] <FairLite> man rkhunter
[02:19] <Minataku> Or yeah, check the manual, in case there are more advanced options you may want
[02:19] <FairLite> jjesse: no seriously, you didn't paste the line numbers - right? there's is a "download plain text" link at the top
[02:20] <jjesse> FairLite: of course i didn't copy the line numbers
[02:22] <jjesse> FairLite: i just tried it again and still get 0 upgrade, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded 1 not fully installed or removed
[02:22] <FairLite> jjesse, try the "sudo apt-get update" again instead, before trying the upgrade again
[02:22] <juano__> where can i change icon image of a file in KDE ?
[02:22] <ts> well, personally i found dual booting the best option - sometimes i need to use some application that couldnt be emulated in linux so.. i use linux 99% of the time and once a month boot windows ;] 
[02:22] <FairLite> jjesse: try also "sudo apt-get remove vmware-player; sudo apt-get install vmware-player", see if it can be convinced to redownload it
[02:22] <ts> say though i will never install/buy vista
[02:23] <ts> damn
[02:23] <ts> why am i still writing on kubuntu
[02:23] <distro-tester> ok im able to run chkrootkit but rkhunter dosen't work i try --checkall but dosen't seem to go u know to run it?
[02:23] <FairLite> try with sudo
[02:23] <underdog5004> distro-tester, dude...long time no see...
[02:24] <distro-tester> hello
[02:24] <distro-tester> i was here this days when did we chat?
[02:24] <underdog5004> still paranoid?
[02:24] <juano__> duh.. lol found it nevermind
[02:24] <distro-tester> no no how are u ahah?
[02:24] <slyfox> What can I use do do scanning in Kubuntu?
[02:24] <underdog5004> idk, a few days ago
[02:24] <FairLite> slyfox: ...Kooka?
[02:24] <distro-tester> !rkhunter
[02:24] <ubotu> rkhunter: rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8-5 (edgy), package size 112 kB, installed size 488 kB
[02:24] <distro-tester> !rckrootkit
[02:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rckrootkit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <distro-tester> !chkrootkit
[02:25] <ubotu> chkrootkit: Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.46a-3 (edgy), package size 248 kB, installed size 708 kB
[02:25] <slyfox> FairLite: Any idea if there is a list of scanners that Kooka supports ?
[02:25] <distro-tester> this 2 ad firestarter and bastile if u want sly
[02:25] <distro-tester> how are u underdog?
[02:25] <FairLite> slyfox: Kooka doesn't support any scanners, it just talks to SANE, so you want to know which scanners SANE supports
[02:25] <FairLite> slyfox: what scanner do you have?
[02:25] <underdog5004> distro-tester, doing good...
[02:26] <underdog5004> distro-tester, what kind of attacks are you seeing?
[02:26] <distro-tester> the same as last times
[02:26] <distro-tester> all m$ endonkey
[02:26] <underdog5004> specifically?
[02:26] <distro-tester> wait
[02:27] <slyfox> FairLite: none, I am planning to get one, this one - http://www.officedepot.ca/ddSKU.do?level=SK&id=868796&Nr=201752&N=265745&An=browse
[02:27] <distro-tester> samba smb edonkey  for now and some unknown
[02:27] <Minataku> It's just people poking around looking for open shares
[02:27] <slyfox> FairLite: Does not say anything on sane site about LiDE 70, LiDE 60 works, LiDE 80 does not.
[02:27] <distro-tester> tcp icmp
[02:27] <distro-tester> i see
[02:27] <FairLite> slyfox: tell me the model - i cannot see that page, there's apparently a session ID of yours
[02:28] <underdog5004> distro-tester, are those just pings or active attacks? Any failed root logins recently?
[02:28] <Minataku> Unprotected Windows shares, available eDonkey clients and just general noise
[02:28] <FairLite> slyfox: hm, then that doesn't sound totally good
[02:28] <distro-tester> i get some vnc m$ servers
[02:28] <distro-tester> no im fine underdog
[02:28] <Minataku> When none of it works (and iptables makes sure it doesn't) they pass on to the next one
[02:28] <slyfox> FairLite: that was Canon LiDE 70
[02:28] <distro-tester> they seem just tpc and icmp pings
[02:28] <Minataku> distro-tester: You're not in any danger nor are you even a direct target
[02:28] <underdog5004> Minataku, script kiddies, you thinkin'?
[02:29] <distro-tester> i know
[02:29] <Minataku> You're just one of a bunch they're trying
[02:29] <FairLite> slyfox: yes, checked it. it's unsupported. don't buy it
[02:29] <Minataku> underdog5004: No question
[02:29] <distro-tester> btw im nat so
[02:29] <distro-tester> hey relax dog im not
[02:29] <underdog5004> distro-tester, ok...right...sure
[02:29] <distro-tester> does firestarter block sytem till u don't put root pass to start it?
[02:30] <underdog5004> distro-tester, I don't understand your question...
[02:30] <distro-tester> just curius to see how linux works minataku
[02:30] <Minataku> distro-tester: Ah
[02:30] <FairLite> slyfox: at least unless you're very faithful in the SANE guys, that is :-) but, really, it's a bit of a risk, it *does* happen that things never get supported, especially scanners. you have the list now (or if you don't it's at http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html ), so i think you'd better chose among these
[02:30] <Minataku> Sorry, just informing about benign internet noise X3
[02:30] <Peps> when I connect a usb device (disk, ipod) it automounts fine, and the label on the desktop if fine, but I want (say) the ipod to mount on /media/ipod and not on /media/sdg2. When it mount on different places at different times I need to change gtkpod of scripts every time. can someone help?
[02:31] <FairLite> actually, not even all of these will be supported by current Ubuntu, since that list refers to the CVS version of SANE slyfox
[02:31] <distro-tester> i got reasons to be paranoic btw i got hacked once on xp damn icq
[02:31] <Minataku> Ah
[02:31] <distro-tester> that's why i moved to linxu to mina
[02:31] <Minataku> Yeah, anyone using Windows has reason to be paranoid
[02:31] <Minataku> lol
[02:31] <tamacracker> Minataku, what's the link so that I'm able to download all the codecs?
[02:31] <underdog5004> I moved over from the dark side for the configurability, free-ness, and freedom!
[02:31] <distro-tester> what attacks u get btw minataku and dog just curius
[02:32] <distro-tester> ?
[02:32] <Minataku> distro-tester: I don't even bother checking
[02:32] <distro-tester> my freequence is 1 every 5 seconds more or less
[02:32] <underdog5004> distro-tester, none, so far as I know
[02:32] <slyfox> FairLite: hmm....I am also looking for a good printer, maybe laser jet ?
[02:32] <Minataku> But usually I get messenger spam
[02:32] <Peps> in other words, who/what decides  the automound point ??
[02:32] <intelikey> yeah scanners are far less supported than printers even when it's mfd's
[02:32] <FairLite> slyfox: no idea, but for printers there's even a better information site at www.linuxprinting.org (or .net or something)
[02:32] <distro-tester> in msn client or msn service ?
[02:32] <Minataku> Other than that the usual searching for unprotected Windows machines
[02:32] <distro-tester> don't know if linux has msn service
[02:33] <Minataku> distro-tester: No, the Windows Messenger service, not MSN Messenger
[02:33] <intelikey> Peps basename <device>   decides it.
[02:33] <Minataku> Different thing
[02:33] <distro-tester> we have that?
[02:33] <Minataku> No
[02:33] <distro-tester> i know what it is very dangerous
[02:33] <distro-tester> hehe
[02:33] <distro-tester> what we got to worry about here that has windows ?
[02:33] <distro-tester> telnet for example but it's off
[02:33] <FairLite> slyfox: i myself have an Epson RX500 printer+scanner. it's a good machine, though the scanner is not totally supported in Linux (needs some proprietary drivers, but they're provided with Ubuntu). that model is kind of obsolete now, i think there's RX600 or the low-cost RX520-or-something
[02:33] <underdog5004> lol, linux protects me pretty well...that and my firewall (hardware-based)
[02:33] <Minataku> Same here
[02:34] <distro-tester> ill get a cisco soon
[02:34] <Minataku> Really, my hardware firewall stops it all
[02:34] <underdog5004> I have sshd running on my server...but it's all good
[02:34] <FairLite> slyfox: it's a six-color inkjet. ink is not inexpensive. the scanner is 2400dpi with film scanner stuff
[02:34] <Minataku> Everything behind it is nice and cozy
[02:34] <Peps> intelikey: but I can't change the device name, can I?
[02:34] <distro-tester> btw i just use pc for home and im nat whit firestarter
[02:34] <distro-tester> u think im safe eheh?
[02:34] <distro-tester> im all ready nat for my isp btw
[02:34] <underdog5004> distro-tester, yep
[02:35] <Minataku> Peps: If it has the same convoluted mountpoint every time, you can set up a symbolic link
[02:35] <Minataku> distro-tester: Very safe
[02:35] <intelikey> Peps you could make a symlink   but that's not the easiest way to ..... where is it you want to go ???
[02:35] <slyfox> FairLite: let me see. I know epson to be a paper jam comapny
[02:35] <distro-tester> btw look out if u got pubblic static ip
[02:35] <Peps> I want it to be /media/ipod
[02:35] <Peps> I can't make a symlink since it is mounted on a different place each time
[02:35] <intelikey> Peps and it's now sda ?
[02:35] <slyfox> FairLite: I think I'll just get a laser printer and a scanner which are supported by Linux.
[02:35] <distro-tester> for example i can see guardog is using msn now and surfing web
[02:36] <Peps> now it is sdg2, yesterday it was sdb2
[02:36] <distro-tester> connected whit gaim
[02:36] <knapp> How can I burn an 800mb video onto a CD-R (700mb)? Will K3b shrink it?
[02:36] <Minataku> I have a half-static IP... it's DHCP but it's assigned by my MAC address
[02:36] <FairLite> slyfox: sure, there are quite a lot of reasons why an all-in-one may be far from the best choice. it's the only machine i have anything to say about however :)
[02:36] <underdog5004> knapp, not possible
[02:36] <Minataku> So I get dynamically allocated the same IP every time XD
[02:36] <underdog5004> knapp, so far as I know
[02:36] <slyfox> FairLite: Thank you.
[02:37] <distro-tester> mina instead u are just using  irc now and have amule open
[02:37] <Minataku> Negative, no amule
[02:37] <FairLite> slyfox: i know that, in general, Epson is better supported than Canon under Linux. but mileages vary depending on the models, so as long as you make sure the model you want to buy works...
[02:37] <distro-tester> ehhe im joking
[02:37] <Minataku> Ah, lol
[02:37] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:37] <Peps> on the desktop I see "STAR TROOPER" which is the name (i.e label)  I gave it. the best would have been /media/STAR TROOPER
[02:37] <distro-tester> btw underdog is really running gaim and firefox
[02:37] <distro-tester> i see him active
[02:38] <underdog5004> distro-tester, uh...nope
[02:38] <underdog5004> no gaim and no firefox up...lol
[02:38] <distro-tester> then must be your ghost
[02:38] <distro-tester> haha
[02:38] <distro-tester> i like to try to guess im not able to hack on linux
[02:38] <underdog5004> what are you talking about?
[02:38] <slyfox> FairLite: what is Xsane ?
[02:38] <distro-tester> nothing just kidding
[02:38] <underdog5004> ah
[02:38] <Peps> I am assuming automount uses pmount or hal-pmount, but I don't know where/if this can be customized
[02:38] <underdog5004> are you retarded?
[02:38] <distro-tester> i was good on pc security if i can say good on xp
[02:39] <distro-tester> here it's a new world for me hey it's a joke man relax
[02:39] <underdog5004> lol
[02:39] <FairLite> slyfox: just an X (graphical) frontend for SANE. keep in mind that *any* scanning frontend you will find around really just uses SANE in the end, so scanner support is what SANE provides
[02:39] <distro-tester> btw where u from dog?
[02:39] <underdog5004> I'm from Northern California
[02:39] <underdog5004> you?
[02:39] <intelikey> Peps yeah that is problematic.   you could though.  unmount it and remove any dirs that might be in /media/ like sdb2....    then###   for Q in sdb2 sdg2 <add others here> ;do sudo ln -s /media/ipod /media/$Q ;done
[02:39] <distro-tester> rome italy
[02:40] <underdog5004> ah, that explains it...lol, jk
[02:40] <FairLite> slyfox: the only exception is VueScan, however that is proprietary software (i believe the Linux version is now free, however, though it used to be shareware). That's a stand-alone application, and it's very good for scanning films, but then you're tied to that single application forever if SANE support is lacking
[02:40] <intelikey> of course  <add others here>  needs translated.
[02:40] <distro-tester> hey mina keep whit us tonight it's m$ whitenight vista is out let's go and take it eheh
[02:40] <Peps> but again tomorrow the system may mount other devices on sdb2
[02:40] <distro-tester> keep offending europe dog and i will get rude on your usa
[02:40] <intelikey> Peps then no matter where it mounts it, it's still /media/ipod
[02:40] <fleetreo> what's the defualt root password?
[02:40] <slyfox> FairLite: Yeah, I'll do my research.
[02:41] <FairLite> fleetreo: there is none
[02:41] <FairLite> !root > slyfox
[02:41] <Minataku> I already performed my activist activities for the day at University
[02:41] <underdog5004> lol, my shop got its shipment of Vista today...it's actually cheaper to buy it from CostCo than to buy it from Microsoft...
[02:41] <underdog5004> distro-tester, sorry
[02:41] <fleetreo> umm......
[02:41] <fleetreo> I just installed kde4
[02:41] <FairLite> slyfox: i can pretty much guarantee that SANE and VueScan are the only two alternatives around
[02:41] <Minataku> Sorry, but I'm tired now from all day at Uni
[02:41] <nalioth> let us be civil
[02:41] <fleetreo> itw asking for a password
[02:41] <FairLite> slyfox, sorry, the !root wasn't meant for you of course
[02:41] <intelikey> Peps or are you saying there may be other devices at the same time ?    that could be a problem.
[02:41] <distro-tester> u can download it free for 30 days at m$ servers staring from today if u want
[02:41] <fleetreo> and mines not right
[02:41] <FairLite> !root > fleetreo
[02:41] <slyfox> Want to hear a joke ? www.futureshop.ca hs Vista advertised on formt page, and their website has this error all over the place for products:
[02:41] <slyfox> Microsoft VBScript runtime  error '800a01a8'
[02:41] <slyfox> Object required: 'dictContext.Value'
[02:41] <slyfox> /include/contextdict.asp, line 26
[02:41] <distro-tester> today it's officialy out for the world
[02:42] <underdog5004> fleetreo, uh...it's not out yet...it's only for development uses right now
[02:42] <Peps> I want the mount point to be based on the device label, not on the usb device location. This is just crazy behaviour
[02:42] <slyfox> FairLite: I do not even know what that means.
[02:42] <distro-tester> symantic said vista is so secure it's better to use xp
[02:42] <Peps> thats the whole idea of removable media, don't you agree
[02:42] <FairLite> slyfox: it made the bot send you a private message
[02:42] <fleetreo> underdog5006 does that mean I can't get it or I'm stupid?? because I got it
[02:42] <Peps> I have 5 devices and 3 usb slots
[02:43] <intelikey> Peps asking me ?    i don't use nor like automount
[02:43] <distro-tester> i was reading last security bulletins from best antivirus house ahha they said vista is very secure so much u can go back to xp dog
[02:43] <Peps> what is the alternative?
[02:43] <nodesert> hello
[02:43] <intelikey> manual
[02:43] <Minataku> I manually mount things
[02:43] <underdog5004> fleetreo, wierd...
[02:43] <fleetreo> pmount!
[02:43] <Minataku> Either via fstab entries or just 100% manual
[02:43] <underdog5004> distro-tester, uh...I don't use XP. Ever.
[02:43] <intelikey> Minataku yes both.
[02:43] <distro-tester> vista is just a bad copy of mac tiger os x and linux
[02:44] <Minataku> intelikey: Same here
[02:44] <distro-tester> i know it's was italian humor ;D
[02:44] <fleetreo> underdog. anyone can get it
[02:44] <Minataku> I was talking about me, not asking you, sorry XD
[02:44] <underdog5004> weird...and you expect me to not make fun of europe?
[02:44] <underdog5004> fleetreo, oh...ok
[02:44] <Peps> I am not even sure if I am using automount. I am just assuming so since the device gets mounted automatically
[02:44] <FairLite> !offtopic
[02:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:44] <distro-tester> btw i will try it just couse it''s 30 days free trial to see what they made to be so long to come out
[02:45] <distro-tester> of course i will install it on your pc dog ahha
[02:45] <distro-tester> not mine
[02:45] <underdog5004> distro-tester, lol, why bother
[02:45] <Minataku> Microsoft's 6 billion dollar failure
[02:45] <underdog5004> distro-tester, sorry, man, you're just not funny...
[02:45] <distro-tester> so u can see how secure it is ;D
[02:45] <FairLite> claiming you're hacking other people's machines is not funny really
[02:45] <intelikey> Peps if you are not issuing a command.... it's automount   or some veriant thereof
[02:45] <nalioth> !offtopic
[02:45] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:45] <Peps> how can I tell?
[02:46] <distro-tester> u know we got different humor there just relax yes minataku but they think will take the charts vista as never let's see
[02:46] <Minataku> Practically everyone I talked to today has no plans of EVER switching to Vista
[02:46] <Peps> I just upgraded to dapper from breezy
[02:46] <Minataku> This is Free Software's chance to take the market
[02:47] <underdog5004> Peps, whoa...
[02:47] <distro-tester> btw it's well know that the 2 house that make security for m$ won't say names  do bugs for the os and the 2 team infection to fill em
[02:47] <Peps> i did not make any special installation, but I may have some remains of breezy
[02:47] <distro-tester> so immagine how secure it can be haha
[02:47] <Minataku> lol
[02:47] <underdog5004> distro-tester, take it to the #kubuntu-offtopic channel
[02:47] <underdog5004> I'm there
[02:47] <distro-tester> ok
[02:48] <distro-tester> join us minataku
[02:48] <nodesert> i want Linux From Scratch
[02:48] <Minataku> I'm in there, but I'm okay
[02:48] <Minataku> Like I said, I'm tired
[02:48] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:48] <nodesert> is it difficult to get over
[02:49] <distro-tester> are  u sleepig mate why u all ways tired?
[02:49] <Peps> perhaps this is something that kde does?
[02:49] <Peps> I am using 3.5.2
[02:50] <intelikey> it's amazing what all you can make out of "scratch" ...    it must be like the raw material that matter is made of or something...
[02:50] <n8k99_> Pepskde makes Minataku tired?
[02:50] <distro-tester> btw im so happy whit kubuntu can't wait 7 i tryied to switch to fedora 6 today seemed i found distro for me but was wrong
[02:50] <Minataku> Nah, being at Uni all day makes Minataku tired XD
[02:51] <distro-tester> don't u have a life friends girl go out i mean what u doing all day on pc unless u work whit it $?
[02:51] <distro-tester> i just stay on it at night couse have fun
[02:51] <distro-tester> i*
[02:51] <n8k99_> ja, i know that deal, and a toddler
[02:52] <Minataku> Dead standstill, just like it's been for the past... 16 years or so
[02:52] <Minataku> lol
[02:53] <distro-tester> btw im done for tonight messing whit kubuntu im happy i updated kde and did few other things tomorrow willl be better
[02:53] <distro-tester> so u got like just pc ?
[02:53] <distro-tester> at least u could work whit it and make $ or help linux
[02:54] <intelikey> distro-tester seems to be asking for an invite to exit...  been asked to go to offtopic several times, yet still presists in making life miserable for #kubuntu
[02:54] <distro-tester> sorry
[02:54] <distro-tester> ill go there
[02:55] <bryan> join #ubuntu
[02:55] <bryan> lol
[02:55] <bryan> maybe not
[02:55] <intelikey>  /
[02:56] <NightBird> How do I disable checking of certain drives on startup?
[02:56] <FairLite> NightBird: last number in /etc/fstab
[02:56] <FairLite> man fstab
[02:57] <intelikey> NightBird probably have to black list the device and rebuild the initramfs.img
[02:58] <intelikey> oh sorry you said drive i read device
[02:58] <CapNbeefy> when i open something that requires my password i put it in and it works...in bash though when i want to go root and type su - and get prompted i put in my password and get 'authentication failure sorry'
[02:58] <intelikey> CapNbeefy sudo -i
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> hmm
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> it worked
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> tell me how?
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> i wasnt even prompted for a password
[02:59] <intelikey> su uses the target's password  sudo user your password
[02:59] <FairLite> CapNbeefy: that's probably because you have used "sudo" on the same terminal during the last few minutes
[02:59] <CapNbeefy> i have
[02:59] <intelikey> and sudo is set to remember your password so you don't enter it but one time.
[02:59] <FairLite> sudo remembers your last password authentication for 15 minutes
[03:00] <CapNbeefy> thanks
[03:00] <distro-tester> !java
[03:00] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:01] <distro-tester> any one knows if java 6 is stable?
[03:01] <FairLite> intelikey: it's a compromise like everything. it might be a security risk for *you*
[03:01] <intelikey> distro-tester !i
[03:01] <FairLite> intelikey: for other users however, if sudo were set stricter (like, "never remember password"), they'd possibly end up using "sudo -i" all the time or just activating and logging in as root
[03:01] <NightBird> is it known if trying to do a checkdisk on a disk that has a hibernated windows causes problems?
[03:02] <FairLite> NightBird: very likely. don't do it.
[03:02] <FairLite> that is, if by "disk" you mean partition
[03:02] <NightBird> FairLite, ok... well... in my experience it does...
[03:02] <distro-tester> yes intel what did u say?
[03:02] <NightBird> I do
[03:02] <FairLite> if you're doing it on another partition that the Windows system doesn't use... then well, it'll be fine
[03:02] <distro-tester> !java6
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about java6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:03] <distro-tester> fair u know if it's ok to upgrade to java 6?
[03:03] <intelikey> FairLite actually the timed password is a minor detail.  it's the whole "root jr." thing that i believe to be a security risk.     but if we persue this lets take it else where and not in this channel.
[03:04] <distro-tester> fairlite can u kindly answer me if u know on java 6?
[03:04] <crazy_bus> Quite a few things I have installed don't have places in the KDE menu.  How do I fix this?
[03:04] <intelikey> distro-tester i said !i   linux code ! == not
[03:05] <FairLite> intelikey: if you want. anyway in my opinion it's quite fine for a desktop, mainly single-user system. on a secure server i'd probably have root, but then i would log in as such, and never "su" from an un privileged user
[03:05] <FairLite> distro-tester: i know it exists
[03:05] <distro-tester> what does that mean intel sorry im a new user ?
[03:05] <nodesert> is there anyone who can suggest an editor for python
[03:05] <distro-tester> well i got it in adept java 6 so don't know if install it or not
[03:05] <FairLite> you can always uninstall it no?
[03:06] <intelikey> nodesert kate
[03:06] <nodesert> thnak you ;)
[03:06] <distro-tester> yes
[03:07] <soulrider> oh my, java6-jdk is int he repos and i didnt realize! :P
[03:07] <intelikey> nodesert if you like vi   vim-python - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - with Python support
[03:07] <soulrider> !java
[03:07] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[03:08] <distro-tester> btw i can't understad why can gaim connect to msn and yahoo at same time and kopete can't
[03:08] <distro-tester> i diden't find out how yet
[03:08] <crazy_bus> On a previous install I found the missing icons and things by installing the "Debian menu" which appeared at the top of my normal one.  Does anyone know how to install it?
[03:10] <nodesert> thank you intelikey i think i will use vim
[03:11] <distro-tester> are there any cool world clocks for kde?
[03:11] <distro-tester> !love
[03:11] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[03:11] <intelikey> crazy_bus maybe menu - generates programs menu for all menu-aware applications
[03:11] <distro-tester> !ubuntu
[03:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHowCome
[03:12] <distro-tester> !mark
[03:12] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[03:12] <crazy_bus> does kubuntu have a bot now?
[03:12] <FairLite> !bot
[03:12] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:13] <truulz> hi
[03:14] <truulz> are all CORE DUO 64 bit? I tried to run a 65bit CD on a brand new computer and couldn't launch it. Do I have to enable something in the bios?
[03:14] <intelikey> truulz no.
[03:14] <truulz> In the bios I see "enable something about bit"
[03:14] <intelikey> hehhe  65bit CD   ?
[03:14] <truulz> no what
[03:14] <truulz> sorry
[03:14] <truulz> 64
[03:14] <intelikey> the answer to your first question.    no.
[03:15] <dwidmann|nap> Core DUO are not 64-bit. Core 2 DUO are.
[03:15] <truulz> intelikey: so it can be not be 64bit
[03:15] <intelikey> most probably is not.
[03:16] <dwidmann> Well, the infrastructure for 64-bit is probably there, whether it is enabled/usable or not is probalby another story.
[03:17] <distro-tester> !firestarter
[03:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:17] <distro-tester> !bastile
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bastile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <distro-tester> !kvirc
[03:17] <ubotu> kvirc: KDE based next generation IRC client with module support. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.4-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2871 kB, installed size 8644 kB
[03:17] <intelikey> bastille - Security hardening tool
[03:18] <distro-tester> u adivise me to install it intel?
[03:18] <distro-tester> !bastille
[03:18] <ubotu> bastille: Security hardening tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.1.1-12 (edgy), package size 358 kB, installed size 1508 kB
[03:18] <intelikey> sure if you want.
[03:18] <distro-tester> if it's gui and easy to run i can how does it work?
[03:18] <truulz> so it's in the BIOS?
[03:18] <distro-tester> know im a begginer do so i nead gui security tools
[03:18] <intelikey> beets me.
[03:18] <intelikey> truulz no.
[03:19] <intelikey> truulz linux for the most part could not care less what bios says...
[03:19] <distro-tester> ill see on page so no nead  u have to explain me intel
[03:20] <distro-tester> there is a book on hackers called cfi-en in adept everytime i install it im not able to find it to read u know why intel?
[03:20] <intelikey> i turn every thing off in bios that can be turned off execpt the boot device.
[03:20] <truulz> intelikey: it's an intel Core Duo, so not Core 2 Duo, therefore no 64bit? right?
[03:21] <distro-tester> so u know how to read this book on hacker culture u find in adept called cfi-en once u installed it?
[03:21] <intelikey> distro-tester probably because you are not yet well versed at finding things in linux ?      dpkg -L cfi-en | less
[03:21] <intelikey> truulz that's right.
[03:22] <distro-tester> thanx i told u im new so must learn commands one at time
[03:22] <distro-tester> im bookmarking them all do
[03:22] <distro-tester> once i do that im able to read it intel?
[03:23] <truulz> ok thanks gotta go now
[03:23] <intelikey> distro-tester there is also a kde find application but it would be easier imo with the package data as i described.
[03:23] <distro-tester> ok
[03:23] <distro-tester> ill install it and try thanx
[03:23] <intelikey> distro-tester no. you'll be able to see what that package installed.   then look for any executable  if not look for documents.
[03:24] <intelikey> let me see how big it is.  i might install it just to point you at the docs
[03:25] <intelikey> !cli | distro-tester
[03:25] <ubotu> distro-tester: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[03:26] <distro-tester> ok your command told me end
[03:26] <distro-tester> now what i do?
[03:27] <distro-tester> btw if u give me gui stuff it's more easy for me im really begginer
[03:28] <intelikey> distro-tester i know.    open konqueror and enter this in the address box.  /usr/share/doc-base/
[03:28] <intelikey> look at   /usr/share/doc-base/cfi-en
[03:28] <intelikey> file:///usr/share/doc-base/cfi-en
[03:29] <distro-tester> ty
[03:30] <intelikey> looks like most of the data is in  file:///usr/share/doc/cfi-en/      distro-tester
[03:30] <distro-tester> found it
[03:30] <intelikey> so enjoy.
[03:30] <distro-tester> says html now
[03:31] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[03:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:32] <intelikey> distro-tester if you want to learn about linux  "rutebook"  is a good one.  it's also in the repos.   very comprihensive
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[03:32] <distro-tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3540/intelikey:
[03:32] <distro-tester> there i nead to know what to do from here and im solved
[03:32] <draik> Hello all
[03:32] <draik> 2 issues...
[03:32] <draik> 1) I can't play embeded audio still
[03:33] <draik> 2) How do I setup an app for autostart?
[03:33] <draik> any takers?
[03:33] <intelikey> !autostart
[03:33] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:33] <distro-tester> ill learn everything in time step by step night by night or i get scared of command line
[03:33] <intelikey> !flash9
[03:33] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[03:33] <intelikey> draik  ^
[03:33] <draik> intelikey: I have flash 9 installed and enabled
[03:34] <intelikey> well i hit the autostart Q too
[03:35] <intelikey> distro-tester you pasted  /usr/share/doc/cfi-en/html/index.html <<< line 9      i don't mean to belittle you but   like duh ?
[03:35] <intelikey> open that file...
[03:35] <knapp> Anyone here familiar with Devede? I
[03:36] <distro-tester> yes i found that directory
[03:36] <distro-tester> but the books says html versiona don't know hot to read it yet
[03:36] <knapp> I'm trying to make a SVCD or just a VCD. I have a 800mb video. I added it, selected 700mb cd, encoded it. It spit out a .bin and a .cue file but their 800mb still.
[03:36] <knapp> How can I make it so it will fit on a 700mb cd?
[03:36] <intelikey> in konqueror  left click it.
[03:36] <distro-tester> solved
[03:36] <distro-tester> thanx
[03:37] <distro-tester> hhe u rock intel
[03:38] <distro-tester> btw in time ill learn it's not that hard if u aply a bit everynight instead of getting hacked and infected on xp
[03:38] <distro-tester> at least u learn to use a real free os
[03:38] <knapp> nvm solved
[03:38] <jjesse> ok following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server why can't i get it to runn
[03:39] <intelikey> yes and you "OWN" your software.   not like renting a license agreement to allow you to use someone elses software.
[03:39] <distro-tester> 3.39 am good night every one see u tomorrow
[03:39] <distro-tester> thanx for all the help
[03:39] <intelikey> gooday distro-tester
[03:39] <snowrichard> good eveining
[03:41] <Peps> It seems that on my system (running dapper) hal is using pmount and not pmount-hal. Can anyone tell me where I can change that?
[03:42] <intelikey> !libapache-mod-dosevasive
[03:42] <ubotu> libapache-mod-dosevasive: evasive module to minimize HTTP DoS or brute force attacks. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 84 kB
[03:43] <intelikey> Peps it seems i opted not to have hal installed.  so i can't answer that  but i'd look in /etc/hal*/
[03:44] <PiNE> so i have been running x/ubuntu for ages now but this is my first time with kde. i have no idea how to install restricted formats and the restricted formats page is all about not-kde.  how do i go about it?  is there a page somewhere else?
[03:45] <terwilliger> Hi all. Anybody up on Bluetooth? I can connect my Tungsten E2 by BT, but can't get Jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. How best to troubleshoot?
[03:46] <intelikey> interesting side note.  brute force attacks have a natural tendancy to fail on dialup connections be cause the connection is to slow for the brute force to be more than the system can process.
[03:47] <intelikey> !mp3 | PiNE
[03:47] <ubotu> PiNE: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:50] <intelikey> !libxine-extracodecs | PiNE
[03:50] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.2-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1118 kB, installed size 2676 kB
[03:51] <intelikey> !info vlc
[03:51] <ubotu> vlc: multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1120 kB, installed size 3240 kB
[03:52] <PiNE> intelikey: great! now what about dvds?
[03:53] <shinigami> hi i'm getting QFontLoader: Internal error when running an application...anyone knows what is it?
[03:53] <intelikey> PiNE apt-cache search dvd | less
[03:53] <intelikey> !dvd
[03:53] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:54] <terwilliger> Anybody up on Bluetooth? I can connect my Tungsten E2 by BT, but can't get Jpilot or kpilot to recognize it. How best to troubleshoot?
[03:55] <bxnp> do you have bluetooth enabled in kde
[03:55] <intelikey> shinigami not without more info.   check  in  /var/log/Xorg.0.log   or ~/.xserver-error*
[03:55] <terwilliger> Yes, I believe I do. The Tungsten can connect to the box
[03:56] <bxnp> do you know what the name off the device
[03:56] <PiNE> intelikey: thanks those are good leads. i am amazed at how disoriented i am (because of the switch) right now.
[03:56] <terwilliger> And system services recorded the last connection. the device is /dev/rfcomm0
[03:57] <terwilliger> Both Jpilot and Kpilor were directed to that device
[03:57] <shinigami> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list!
[03:57] <terwilliger> kde does not note the Tungsten as a paired device, however
[03:59] <shinigami> intelikey: Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/, removing from list! <-- font problem?
[04:01] <terwilliger> Well, thanks anyway. Be well
[04:04] <nodesert> i try to install a sun-java5-bin but i had a problem when i first tried, now i says you have to manually fix this problem
[04:05] <smaggard> hallo :D
[04:08] <jarn> How do I edit the KDM theme?
[04:13] <dwidmann> jarn: go to systemsettings -> advanced -> login manager, and play around in there.
[04:14] <tamacracker>  anyone here have the purge command for nividia driver on hand
[04:16] <jesse__> Hello?
[04:17] <jesse__> Hello?
[04:17] <jarn> dwidmann: How do I install themes, though? Themese downloaded from kde-look?
[04:18] <jesse__> How do I access my floppy drive?
[04:18] <jesse__> Lol.
[04:18] <ind> hai
[04:18] <jesse__> Hello
[04:19] <cpk1> jarn: normally you just need to show the login manager where the archive that you downloaded is
[04:19] <ind> anyone here understand a line in a lilo.conf: append="console=ttyS0,9600n8"
[04:19] <jesse__> I have a question
[04:19] <SpAwN> !iso
[04:19] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:20] <dwidmann> jarn: yeah, kde-look.org is where to get them ... I'll take a look though, I haven't done it in a while
[04:20] <ind> hi ubotu
[04:20] <jarn> cpk1: And how do I do that, though?
[04:20] <dwidmann> jesse, justa sk
[04:20] <jesse__> I just installed
[04:21] <jesse__> Kubuntu and have no idea how to put files on my floppy.
[04:21] <ind> jesse--what's the error message?
[04:22] <ind> ubotu
[04:22] <dwidmann> !bot | ind
[04:22] <ubotu> ind: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:22] <jesse__> I just dont know how to do it.
[04:22] <intelikey>    Any system reference will require you to read it at least three times
[04:22] <intelikey>    before you get a reasonable picture of what to do.
[04:22] <ind> ok
[04:22] <glines> is there a guide of some sort for installing the nvidia-legacy driver? i've been trying forever but can't do it. so far i've used synaptic, automatix, and by hand using the .run... but no dice
[04:23] <ind> intelikey, understand a line in a lilo.conf: append="console=ttyS0,9600n8" ?
[04:23] <intelikey> quote from   "rute"   of which i think would warn most people to not read manuals.
[04:23] <ind> jesse-- just copy?
[04:23] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to play the game xmoto.  But for some reason it sometimes loads properly.  And sometimes it freezes my entire computer and the screen is black with a frozen white mouse pointer.
[04:23] <dwidmann> glines: "sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-legacy && sudo nvidia-xconfig"
[04:23] <intelikey> ind yes i understand it.
[04:24] <intelikey> it's telling the kernel to display on the serial port connected terminal
[04:24] <ind> intelikey-- can u change it so my box will send the output to its vga?
[04:24] <glines> dwidmann: well, i hope that works... but i've installed nvidia-glx-legacy (using synaptic) and nvidia-xconfig about a millinon times ;-)
[04:24] <intelikey> remove or comment out that line ind
[04:24] <jesse__> All I need to do is put a SATA driver on my floppy, I have downloaded the the driver but do not know how to get to a place where I can put the driver on a disk.
[04:24] <dwidmann> glines, well, if it's going to work, that should be the way to do it
[04:25] <glines> yeah, it should
[04:25] <glines> i get an "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." when I run glxgears
[04:25] <ind> jesse-- type "sudo fdisk -l" in terminal, can u see your floppy?
[04:25] <intelikey> fdisk wont list floppies
[04:26] <dwidmann> Oh, and if you're using dapper (as opposed to edgy), tryu sing nvidia-glx-config instead of nvidia-xconfig
[04:26] <glines> dwidmann: i'm using edgy...
[04:26] <intelikey> jesse__ floppy will be  /dev/fd0  or  /dev/fd1  on normal hardware
[04:26] <ind> intelikey-- can u change that line so my "box" will send the output to its vga?
 remove or comment out that line ind
[04:27] <glines> actually, i havn't really tried nvidia-xconfig. i just edited xorg.conf by hand, like I do on other nvidia systems
[04:27] <intelikey> if you can repost so can i
[04:28] <ind> intelikey-- without that line, my box will send the output to its vga port? so it is the default?
[04:28] <intelikey> yes
[04:28] <jesse__> Lol all I want to do is put a file on my floppy.
[04:28] <intelikey> yes jesse__     sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media
[04:28] <glines> jesse__: try going to "media:/" in konqueror... that's what I do :-)
[04:29] <dxdt> does Kwifimanager support WPA?  Or can I use my NEtworkManager applet from gnome that's already installed and configured?  (I'm going to try out KDE for a while, certain things about Gnome are annoying me)
[04:29] <jesse__> I am a noob so I dont know what you just typed means.
[04:29] <glines> jesse__: and i'd assume kubuntu will already have your /etc/fstab configured for fd0...
[04:29] <ind> thanx a lot intelikey
[04:29] <glines> jesse__: it should be easy. just put "media:/" into konqueror's address bar
[04:29] <glines> minus the quotes of course\
[04:29] <intelikey> big assumption glines
[04:30] <glines> intelikey: any decent distro has it done for you
[04:30] <bxnp> use networkmanager dxdt
[04:30] <glines> but what do I know? i've been using ubuntu for like 5 minutes! :-P
[04:30] <jesse__> So I see where it says media.
[04:30] <intelikey> glines who said kubuntu was decent ?
[04:30] <bxnp> but use the one for kde dxdt
[04:30] <darthdual> What is up linux geeks..............:-)
[04:30] <dwidmann> intelikey: lol
[04:30] <glines> intelikey: are you dissing kubuntu on the kubuntu channel?! :-OOO
[04:30] <dxdt> they won't conflict will they?
[04:30] <intelikey> yeah
[04:30] <glines> ;p
[04:30] <intelikey> :)
[04:31] <glines> i'm a gentoo nut myself
[04:31] <bxnp> remote the one for gnome
[04:31] <bxnp> remove
[04:31] <darthdual> Anyone know how to browse .asp content with linux?
[04:31] <bxnp> you are a kde user rigt
[04:31] <dxdt> not an option in case I want to go back to gnome
[04:31] <intelikey> i dis gentoo too too too too
[04:31] <dxdt> just trying it out
[04:31] <glines> I don't think nvidia legacy comes with nvidia-xconfig
[04:31] <jesse__> If there is a file on my desktop how would I get it on my floppy?
[04:31] <dwidmann> glines, Hmm, dpkg -L nvidia-glx-legacy
[04:32] <intelikey> drag & drop ?
[04:32] <dwidmann> or better yet, "dpkg -L nvidia-glx-legacy | grep /usr/bin"
[04:32] <intelikey> copy & paste
[04:32] <jesse__> Does not seem to work for me.
[04:32] <darthdual> I always have problems browsing active server pages content in linux.  Is there a fix for that.
[04:32] <flaccid---> i don't see how thats possible as asp is client side
[04:32] <glines> darthdual: what do you mean? asp is server side, irrc
[04:32] <ind> intelikey-- do u know the 'hyper terminal' in kubuntu? and how to run it?
[04:32] <glines> *iirc
[04:32] <dxdt> asp is server side
[04:32] <flaccid---> err i mean server side hehe
[04:32] <glines> flaccid---: lol
[04:32] <flaccid---> its stupidly slow but. 30 x slower than php
[04:33] <smaggard> asp sux
[04:33] <jesse__> Does Kubuntu ''see'' if you put a floppy in your system after Kubuntu is installed?
[04:33] <darthdual> Yeah, ok, maybe it's something else then.
[04:33] <flaccid---> and com objects are so annoying
[04:33] <darthdual> But I have java enabled, so it's not that.
[04:33] <smaggard> Asp Server Side... haha... spells ASS...
[04:33] <intelikey> ind 'hyper terminal' ?
[04:33] <glines> jesse__: it should... if it's using HAL (hardware abstraction layer) it should auto detect media put in the drives
[04:33] <flaccid---> yes big ASS!
[04:34] <darthdual> I was pretty sure server side shouldn't affect me.
[04:34] <smaggard> iunno about floppy disks tho..
[04:34] <jesse__> What would it be labled in media?
[04:34] <smaggard> i think you would have to invoke the disk
[04:34] <darthdual> But is it possible they are also using some windows script?
[04:34] <ind> intelikey-- yes..to see the output of my embedded system from serial port..in windows, it is the hyper terminal..
[04:34] <glines> no, it'll detect it with HAL, no question
[04:34] <dwidmann> darthdual ... it shouldn't have any effect whatsoever on you.
[04:34] <glines> but it might not be in fstab so you might not have permission to mount it
[04:35] <intelikey> ind telnet ssh vnc ???
[04:35] <ind> intelikey-- do u know the alternative in kubuntu?
[04:35] <ind> ok
[04:35] <jesse__> Would floppy0 be my floppy?
[04:35] <smaggard> probably
[04:35] <smaggard> i would say yeh
[04:35] <glines> jesse__: indeed
[04:35] <darthdual> Ok, now I'm really confused?  Better try to look at the page code........Be back in a little bit with news.
[04:35] <ind> intelikey-- telnet: could not resolve ssh/vnc: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
[04:35] <jesse__> Well I cant get any files to go there.
[04:35] <smaggard> telnet and ssh r 2 diff protocols
[04:36] <intelikey> ind those are three programs that any one might be what you are looking for.
[04:36] <glines> jesse__: ok, have you gotten to the media:/ screen in konqueror, where it shows all your drives?
[04:36] <jesse__> Yes
[04:36] <glines> jesse__: and your floppy is there?
[04:36] <ind> o..
[04:36] <intelikey> ind you can  "man telnet "    for the manual page on that app.
[04:37] <intelikey> ind i'm not really the one to ask about networking.  i'm kinda network illeterate
[04:37] <jesse__> Says floppy and floppy0.
[04:37] <intelikey> yes and floppy is  a symlink to floppy0
[04:37] <glines> jesse__: ok... well, right click on them and try to mount each of them. and tell me what happens
[04:38] <glines> jesse__: wait, i think you might not be in the right place
[04:38] <glines> jesse__: copy and paste your address bar into here
[04:39] <jesse__>    /media
[04:39] <intelikey> glines don't confuse the poor soul.   he's in /media
[04:39] <glines> jesse__: yeah, you're not where I want you ;-)
[04:39] <glines> jesse__: put this in your address bar:        media:/
[04:39] <glines> intelikey: i'm trying my hardest ;-)
[04:39] <intelikey> :)
[04:40] <glines> if hal is working properly, this should be much easier
[04:40] <jesse__> OMFG I love you glines.
[04:40] <intelikey> yeah hal  yuch   ....
[04:40] <glines> jesse__: <3
[04:40] <glines> intelikey: what now :-)
[04:40] <flaccid---> yay fixed my adsl issue
[04:41] <flaccid---> i reckon telstra line here is older than ya mum
[04:41] <flaccid---> can't use lqr packeting
[04:41] <flaccid---> wtf can't we just all have cable in australia :)
[04:41] <glines> jesse__: keep in mind that media:/ works well for flash drives and also cdroms
[04:41] <jesse__> Lol now how would I have goten to that just clicking buttons on the desktop?
[04:41] <glines> and, well, other media ;-)
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: ok...
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: see the icon next to the address bar?
[04:42] <darthdual> You could probably send messages by kangaroo faster
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: drag it to the desktop and a menu should apper. choose "create link"
[04:42] <flaccid---> yes my kangaroo is tired :)
[04:42] <glines> jesse__: actually, that's wrong...
[04:43] <darthdual> Let him rest a little.  Get him a cell phone.
[04:43] <flaccid---> if you right click desktop you can select what icons you want - mounted/unmounted media etc.
[04:43] <darthdual> :-)
[04:43] <glines> jesse__: ohh, nvm, that should work. that's right :-P
[04:43] <flaccid---> hehe i think he needs a sat phone for the outback :)
[04:43] <ind> intelikey-- i want to install driver for my wireless pci card in pebble linux, but there is no kernel source..
[04:43] <glines> it's "Link here"
[04:44] <glines> ind: pebble linux?
[04:44] <intelikey> no kernel source ?
[04:44] <glines> ZOMG A GPL VIOLATION! o.0
[04:44] <intelikey> kernel.org
[04:44] <ind> glines-- yes, pebble
[04:44] <dwidmann> glines: where?
[04:44] <glines> dwidmann: right behind you! ;-)
[04:44] <dwidmann> EEk!!
[04:44] <jesse__> Now how do I format my floppy now that I can see it.
[04:45] <glines> jesse__: that's another story...
[04:45] <intelikey> glines not really.  they know that the kernel is on the web.   so if they are not changing the source, just compiling a kernel for use  it's not a violation to not REpost kernel source.
[04:45] <ind> intelikey-- ok i have downloaded it, now, what i have to do?
[04:45] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:45] <ind> intelikey-- just extract it in /usr/src?
[04:46] <intelikey> ind yes  should be
[04:46] <glines> jesse__: i've never done it before (i don't have any floppies) but you can use something like gparted
[04:46] <glines> (i think... maybe. correct me if i'm wrong guys)
[04:46] <ind> intelikey-- without compiling or other things?
[04:46] <intelikey> jesse__ you have to make it so you can't see it to format it.
[04:47] <jesse__> When I try to mount the floppy it says unknown error.
[04:47] <intelikey> ind yes.   but the source needs to be the same version.  you did get the right version?
[04:47] <ind> intelikey--yes, 2.4.31
[04:47] <ind> thanx
[04:48] <Furesho> by any chance can anyone point me to a step-by-step tutorial on sharing my files on my kubuntu box with windows machines?
[04:48] <jesse__> All I want to do is put one file on this floppy.
[04:48] <intelikey> !samba | Furesho
[04:48] <ubotu> Furesho: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[04:49] <bkudria> texlive-base-bin postinst fails with: "fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found.".  what could be wrong?
[04:49] <jesse__> Seems a lot harder to do than it should be.
[04:49] <glines> jesse__: try the command "sudo mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0"
[04:49] <glines> but I really have no clue... never used a floppy before ;-P
[04:50] <jesse__> mkfs.msdos: /dev/fd0 contains a mounted file system
[04:50] <jesse__> Is this good?
[04:50] <glines> jesse__: ohh, no
[04:50] <glines> jesse__: unmount the floppy using konqueror
[04:50] <glines> right click, it's easy
[04:50] <intelikey> means it's mounted.  and you don't "format" mounted fs's
[04:51] <glines> because that would be terrible ;-P
[04:51] <ind> intelikey-- maybe jesse have a problem with file system type? I have an experience with it.. my storage device cannot be read in both kubuntu and windows.. the file system type is ext2, when I copied the image of pyramid linux and booting from it, kernel panic... after that, the file system changed to something, error I think.. not ext2, vfat, or the others..
[04:51] <jesse__> Only gives me option to mount in Konquerer.
[04:51] <glines> hmm... i'm gonna bother #ubuntu about my nvidia-legacy woes ;-)
[04:51] <glines> jesse__: it shouldn't be mounted then...
[04:52] <draik> Ok
[04:52] <jesse__> Its a new floppy that has not been formated I think.
[04:52] <glines> jesse__: huh, most are formated
[04:52] <draik> so I figured out the issue with Autostart... thanks again intelikey
[04:52] <intelikey> jesse__ if you'll close konqueror for a minute and open a konsole i'll give you about three commands that will do all you are trying to do....    also i would need to know the name of the file on the desktop that you want copied.
[04:52] <draik> Now, if I can only get the embeded audio to play
[04:53] <glines> my parent's comptuer has a floppy drive... but it's more of a floppy shreader. floppies go in, but data doesn't come out ;-P
[04:53] <draik> intelikey: I have the latest java installed
[04:53] <jesse__> Ok one sec Intellikey
[04:53] <glines> intelikey: nothing wrong with a little konqueror :-)
[04:53] <draik> BTW, is there a key needed for wine all of a sudden? I didn't need one before
[04:53] <intelikey> draik i don't do java flash or windows.    sorry.
[04:54] <intelikey> glines was just an offer.
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: you told me to install the latest flash... I have flash 9.
[04:54] <draik> intelikey: I also went ahead and checked my java, up-to-date
[04:54] <glines> draik: the only need for wine is to be able to run filezilla... well, untill the next release when it is ported to *nix ;-)
[04:55] <jesse__> 378ata_100104528.zip   is the File I would like to get on my floppy.
[04:55] <intelikey> draik yes that was a guess.  you have drawn all the water you can from this well on that subject.
[04:55] <glines> jesse__: is it a mobo bios update?
[04:55] <draik> glines: I have wine just in case I need something from winxp, other than that zilch... I only ask because on my updates it says that I'm missing the key, but I don't have a key associated with wine
[04:55] <jesse__> The file is a SATA driver so that I can install windows.
[04:55] <glines> :-O
[04:55] <draik> intelikey: Thank you
[04:56] <glines> we're not speaking to you jesse! ;-)
[04:56] <glines> jk <3
[04:56] <draik> anyone here know about using rdesktop?
[04:56] <draik> !rdesktop
[04:56] <ubotu> rdesktop: RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.1-1.1 (edgy), package size 98 kB, installed size 388 kB
[04:56] <intelikey> jesse__ ok copy and paste this string into the konsole;                                                                       sudo umount /dev/fd0 ;sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0
[04:56] <jesse__> I am taking classes and I need both linux boxes and windows boxes
[04:56] <glines> draik: grdesktop is a pretty nice gui for it
[04:56] <bxnp> yes draik
[04:56] <bxnp> it works good very good
[04:56] <jjesse> draik: i use tsclient isntead
[04:56] <glines> draik: it emulates window's rdesktop gui
[04:57] <glines> almost exactly
[04:57] <bxnp> if you want a good gui for it use the gnome client
[04:57] <glines> except it has a few more features ;P
[04:57] <flaccid---> brb modem swap
[04:57] <jesse__> failed whilst writing FAT
[04:57] <glines> yeah, but with grdesktop you don't need the gnome depndancies
[04:57] <glines> jesse__: :-/
[04:57] <draik> bxnp glines jjesse I ask because I want to be able to remote into my friend's computer (KUBUNTU, with a GUI other than SSH) and my fiance's desktop (winxp)
[04:58] <jjesse> rdesktop by default isn't installed correctly
[04:58] <bxnp> http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir2.png
[04:58] <glines> draik: ohh, you should use vnc then
[04:58] <intelikey> jesse__ is the little tab pulled up in the no-write possion on the disket ?
[04:58] <draik> glines: I heard VNC isn't secure and just cruddy
[04:58] <jesse__> Ok I just got a new floppy that says it is preformated.
[04:58] <bxnp> that is the client i use draik  follow the url
[04:58] <glines> draik: if it's over a LAN you should be fine
[04:59] <Dr_willis> vnc is darn handy.
[04:59] <intelikey> jesse__ sounds like the one you had in the drive was locked.
[04:59] <glines> draik: but if you want internet access, you can set up ssh and tunnel vnc through it. that makse it more secure than basically anything else out there
[04:59] <bxnp> but draik you want to acces a remote windows xp box right?
[05:00] <glines> draik: do you need to remote desktop over the internet?
[05:00] <intelikey> jesse__ ok.  do this in the console;                                               sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy  && cp ~/Desktop/378ata_100104528.zip /media/floppy
[05:01] <draik> bxnp: Yes. My fiance is on winxp
[05:01] <bxnp> oke just use rdesktop that is very good and simple to setup
[05:01] <bxnp> did you looked at the screenshot i posted
[05:01] <draik> glines: Yes. Friend is a city over and Fiance is currently in another state getting our new home ready
[05:01] <glines> draik: ok, you'll need to set up ssh then
[05:01] <draik> bxnp: I will in 1 sec
[05:01] <bxnp> http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/sir2.png here draik
[05:01] <jesse__> Ok drive seems to be doing somthing.
[05:01] <glines> draik: niether rdesktop or vnc are secure over the internet without an ssh tunnel
[05:02] <draik> glines: I have ssh setup on my desktop and my friend's (Both Kubuntu 6.10)
[05:02] <bxnp> are there free ssh servers for windows glines ??
[05:02] <intelikey> jesse__ ok type in;   sync ;sudo umount /dev/fd0                          and you can remove the disk as soon as it stops writing.
[05:02] <draik> bxnp: YES!!!!!!!!
[05:02] <glines> draik: ok, you just need to forward that ssh server through your router using port forwarding
[05:02] <draik> bxnp: That is what I am looking for
[05:03] <intelikey> jesse__ you're done dude
[05:03] <bxnp> most off them you have to pay for
[05:03] <jesse__> Ya so I like Linux but I dont know how to use it that well yet.
[05:03] <glines> draik: then you need to follow these instructions: http://martybugs.net/smoothwall/puttyvnc.cgi  in order to configure a putty client on the remote box
[05:03] <bxnp> oke draik try this out do apt-get install tsclient
[05:04] <bxnp> and see how this works
[05:04] <bxnp> and then look for a free ssh server so you can tunnel the session
[05:04] <glines> bxnp: yes, there are ssh servers for windows. there's an openssh client/server combo if you take 2 seconds to google search
[05:04] <draik> bxnp: DONE
[05:04] <bxnp> cool glines, well i was wondering
[05:05] <intelikey> jesse__ word !   most people that have used M$ windows for several years and then try linux, have the terrable misconception that they should know quite a lot about it based on their windows experance.   nothing could be farther from the truth.    forget all you know about computers and start fresh.
[05:05] <glines> but really if you have a linux box in the same subnet as the windows box, you can just tunnel to the linux one and then connect to the windows one with vnc
[05:05] <bxnp> anyway i dont have windows so i never looked
[05:05] <jesse__> Ok thank you intelikey and glines.
[05:05] <intelikey> np
[05:05] <glines> jesse__: you are welcome anytime ;-)
[05:05] <glines> i love helping people on irc...
[05:05] <bxnp> yes i know glines
[05:06] <draik> glines: Thank you. I will print that out and review it so that I can do it on all computers
[05:06] <draik> bxnp: Ok, what now? The install is done
[05:06] <jesse__> I intend to keep linux alive on this box but I need windows also for sckool.
[05:06] <bxnp> do alt f2
[05:06] <glines> draik: that smoothwall link i gave you should explain everything
[05:06] <bxnp> and launch tsclient
[05:06] <draik> ok
[05:07] <bxnp> and fill in the information needed to connect to the desktop
[05:07] <intelikey> glines i didn't mean to be "stealing a customer" from you.  it just looked like, "the easy way, was making it very hard."
[05:07] <glines> draik: well, actually, it seems it was written for smoothwal...
[05:07] <draik> What ports do I need forwarded on his router and mine?
[05:07] <bxnp> i hope you configured it to accept remote sessions
[05:07] <glines> draik: port 22 is ssh
[05:07] <bxnp> the windows box i mean
[05:07] <draik> bxnp: No, he's running Kubuntu 6.10 just like me
[05:08] <bxnp> oh then this tsclient is not what you are looking for
[05:08] <draik> bxnp: what would I need?
[05:08] <glines> naw! ssh+vnc ftw!
[05:08] <bxnp> use freenx
[05:08] <bxnp> go to the website of nomachine
[05:08] <glines> and really, don't use rdesktop over the internet. that's terrible
[05:08] <glines> but you can tunnel rdesktop if you like
[05:09] <draik> bxnp: Got a link?
[05:09] <bxnp> google it
[05:09] <bxnp> and you will find it
[05:09] <intelikey> nomachine.com ?
[05:12] <dwidmann> Any takers?
[05:12] <tamacracker__> Can ANYONE please help me UNINSTALL ALL my VIDEO DRIVERS, DELETE them so that NON of THEIR FILES exist on MY computer, and start fresh by RE-INSTALLING the PROPER VIDEO DRIVER.
[05:13] <intelikey> what is the "proper vidio driver" ?
[05:13] <dwidmann> tamacracker__, I bet envy can do it :D
[05:15] <tamacracker__> Can ANYONE please help me UNINSTALL ALL my VIDEO DRIVERS, DELETE them so that NON of THEIR FILES exist on MY computer, and start fresh by RE-INSTALLING the PROPER VIDEO DRIVER.
[05:15] <intelikey> tamacracker__ sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:15] <intelikey> sickem' big boy!
[05:16] <andre> I've just added a disk to my fstab file.  what's the command for unmounting/mount my drives in that list?
[05:16] <Dr_willis> mount -a
[05:16] <Dr_willis> man mount
[05:16] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:16] <Dr_willis> well 'sudo mount -a'
[05:17] <andre> tx Dr_willis lemme try
[05:17] <Dr_willis> 'do, or do not. there is no try....'
[05:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:17] <andre> do not
[05:17] <tamacracker__> >.>
[05:17] <intelikey> andre if it's default or auto  in the options.  else     sudo mount /mountpoint
[05:17] <tamacracker__> intelikey im on ubuntu so type ubuntu?
[05:18] <andre> sec  lemme give ya output
[05:18] <intelikey> tamacracker__ what ever desktop you want.
[05:18] <jesse> Lol
[05:18] <tamacracker__> will i lose all the stuff i downloaded such as themes and backgrounds?
[05:18] <andre> most drives are already mounted
[05:18] <andre> so I get errors
[05:18] <jesse> The file needs to be unzipped before using it.
[05:19] <intelikey> tamacracker__ kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop xubuntu-desktop  or just  the basics   and a window manager    twm maybe
[05:19] <Furesho> what to they mean in this tutorial by "the share"? are they talking about the folder i want to share?
[05:19] <tamacracker__> intelikey ><
[05:19] <tamacracker__> if i use that command
[05:19] <tamacracker__> the files i have on my desktop
[05:20] <tamacracker__> such as themes, backgrounds, music etc...
[05:20] <tamacracker__> will they be deleted?
[05:20] <tamacracker__> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop <- that command
[05:20] <intelikey> jesse right click should give you and option to open in the archiver
[05:20] <intelikey> tamacracker__ no.
[05:20] <jesse> Ok got that under controll
[05:21] <intelikey> tamacracker__ you say files i have on my desktop   if you mand installed themes    then i can't say on that.
[05:21] <intelikey> if you mean in your home dir then NO.
[05:22] <rDrake> draik are you here
[05:22] <draik> I was just printing it out glines
[05:22] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:22] <rDrake> oke take a look at the screenshots if my remote nxsession
[05:23] <draik> rDrake, yo
[05:23] <tamacracker__> intelikey but for a fact i wont lose my mp3s right?
[05:23] <tamacracker__> if i use this: sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-* && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:23] <Dr_willis> installingpackages should NEVER affect the stuff in the users /home dirs
[05:23] <jesse> Ok now how do I get the floppy mounted
[05:24] <draik> rDrake, where are your screenshots?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> 'should' :)
[05:24] <bxnp> oke they are at http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/drake.png and http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/draike1.png
[05:24] <bxnp> i am here
[05:24] <rDrake> and here
[05:24] <jesse> I have unzipped all files but floppy is not available for me to put files on.
[05:25] <rDrake> here iam via nxmachine testdrive
[05:25] <bxnp> and here i am at my own box
[05:25] <draik> bxnp: Your first link is dead
[05:25] <bxnp> yeah put the i in it
[05:25] <intelikey> jesse mount it.                        sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[05:25] <bxnp> drake.png must be draike.png
[05:26] <draik> VERY NICE
[05:26] <rDrake> yes that is you can do with nx
[05:26] <intelikey> jesse just don't forget to       sync ;sudo umount /dev/fd0       before you pull the disk.
[05:26] <rDrake> wich is a very cool little
[05:26] <bxnp> program
[05:26] <draik> how do I get nx?
[05:27] <bxnp> go to the website and download the thing
[05:27] <bxnp> read the paper's its very easy
[05:27] <intelikey> jesse that driver disk you installing that driver in windows ?     for the asus storage device ?
[05:28] <bxnp> http://www.nomachine.com/ draike
[05:28] <bxnp> the funny thing is that there core technology is opensource
[05:28] <jesse> Its a SATA driver for the HD, windows is dumb and does not know what SATA is when you install it.
[05:28] <bxnp-remote> anyway i am gone
[05:29] <Dr_willis> good old windows...
[05:29] <Dr_willis> jesse,  theres a way to 'remaster' the xp cd's and include such drivers.  (i hear)
[05:29] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:29] <jesse> I have heard that too, it is called slip streaming.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> I went to all the effort to get windows workin gon my sata/raid.. then discovered . it wasent worth the effort.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:30] <intelikey> i was just hoping that this wasn't a futile attempt at using that driver in linux...
[05:30] <intelikey> (:
[05:30] <jesse> Lol\
[05:31] <saki> anyone here know how to install a i386 kernel along side your x86_64 installation?
[05:31] <jesse> Not that much of a noobcake but close.
[05:31] <mefisto> I'm having trouble with KOrganizer: it won't start when clicking the tray icon (as it did in Dapper). I found this bug while googling http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135513 Can someone take a look at that page and tell me if it actually contains a solution? I don't quite understand it.
[05:31] <intelikey> along side ????    chroot maybe.
[05:32] <intelikey> !chroot
[05:32] <ubotu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[05:32] <jesse> So how do I get my extracted files on the floppy?
[05:32] <intelikey> use konqueror ?
[05:33] <jesse> Does not show floppy as mounted
[05:33] <intelikey> navagate to /media/floppy
[05:34] <intelikey> up button up button
[05:34] <intelikey> dive dive.       aoooogah
[05:35] <Dr_willis> or type in media:/ and see whats tehre.
[05:35] <Dr_willis> right click/mount the floppy perhaps?
[05:35] <jesse> One sec
[05:35] <jesse> Having a hell of a time with this.
[05:35] <bxnp> draike take a look at http://www.postproductie.nl/burningman/draike2.png
[05:35] <intelikey> Dr_willis no  it's not working   cause i interfered and had him mount the thing.
[05:36] <bxnp> not for the windows haters in this crowd :0
[05:37] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  :)
[05:37] <jesse> For the love of god now it says the disk is full.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> take it out and shake it real hard.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:40] <jesse> Ok now how do I format this disk again?
[05:40] <dbglt> hey everyone. I downloaded the feisty herd 2 installer, and am trying to install off the livecd, but it crashes when I get to the partitioning stage
[05:40] <dbglt> is this a known bug?
[05:40] <Dr_willis> why format.. delete the files on it.
[05:40] <dwidmann> dbglt, quite known
[05:41] <dwidmann> it has been reported, like 20 or more times in fact
[05:41] <bxnp> draike did you saw the last pictures i posted
[05:41] <dwidmann> sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde should fix it
[05:41] <jesse> Ok how do I delete?
[05:41] <bxnp> or are you installing the program
[05:41] <Dr_willis> i tend to use the 'rm' command to delete files.
[05:41] <Dr_willis> or the 'mc' tool
[05:41] <dbglt> dwidmann: I'm not connected to the internet on that machine
[05:41] <dbglt> dwidmann: will that matter?
[05:41] <dwidmann> Yes.
[05:42] <dbglt> I've got a wpa-psk network. Kubuntu hasn't picked it up
[05:42] <dbglt> I assume I'll need to do some manual hacking about once it is installed
[05:42] <dbglt> *wireless
[05:43] <dwidmann> either that or rsync the cd image ..
[05:43] <the_hammer> is the new kubuntu 610 a beta by chance?
[05:43] <dbglt> dwidmann: what?
[05:43] <dwidmann> the_hammer: know, it's stable
[05:43] <the_hammer> or is it an offical release?
[05:43] <dwidmann> **no
[05:43] <the_hammer> ok
[05:43] <dwidmann> official release
[05:43] <saki> where does kubuntu put its xsession files at?
[05:43] <bxnp> dbglt: is your card working under kubuntu
[05:43] <the_hammer> anyone in here run a laptop with kubuntu 610?
[05:44] <john-nrc_> i am new to linux
[05:44] <dbglt> bxnp: no idea. I hasn't shown up under the livecd
[05:44] <mefisto> I'm having trouble with KOrganizer: it won't start when clicking the tray icon (as it did in Dapper). I found this bug while googling http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135513 Can someone take a look at that page and tell me if it actually contains a solution? I don't quite understand it.
[05:44] <dbglt> bxnp: I know it is supported by linux
[05:44] <john-nrc_> how to work in my sql
[05:44] <bxnp> what are you know on a live cd ordid you already installed it
[05:44] <the_hammer> likely a stupid qustion but i have a small possible bug report
[05:44] <bxnp> what kind of card do you have
[05:44] <bxnp> anwyay do in the console
[05:44] <bxnp> iwconfig
[05:44] <bxnp> and tell me what you get
[05:45] <the_hammer> my laptop was open and i was running live cd
[05:45] <mortici> how do i purge with aptitude?
[05:45] <dbglt> bxnp: I'm on the live cd. I can't install it, as the installer keeps crashing at the partition stage
[05:45] <the_hammer> says my laptop lid is closed and stoping or something
[05:45] <jesse>  /media/floppy How do I makes this empty so I can put files there?
[05:45] <bxnp> oh you dont have that much ram on your system
[05:45] <dbglt> bxnp: pardon?
[05:45] <bxnp> how much ram do you have
[05:45] <dbglt> 1gb
[05:46] <the_hammer> me?
[05:46] <bxnp> lol
[05:46] <dwidmann> mefisto__: it looks like that was supposed to be fixed for kde 3.5.5
[05:46] <the_hammer> 512
[05:46] <the_hammer> i had installer crashing to
[05:46] <bhrich902arch> ...
[05:46] <bxnp> oke, well that this is not the problem and which version do you install
[05:46] <dbglt> bxnp: it shows eth1 as having a devic
[05:46] <dbglt> *device
[05:46] <the_hammer> i kept fighting with it but managed to get install
[05:46] <dwidmann> or wait, 3.5.6
[05:46] <dbglt> "unassociated"
[05:46] <intelikey> jesse      sudo rm -fr /media/floppy
[05:47] <intelikey> enough said.
[05:47] <bxnp> ah
[05:47] <dwidmann> dbglt, as I said, you have to update the ubiquity-frontend-kde package, it might involve updating another package or two also, but after that the install will run
[05:48] <the_hammer> what kern is kubuntu 610 ?
[05:48] <dwidmann> 2.6.1
[05:48] <dwidmann> *7
[05:48] <dbglt> dwidmann: ok, managed to hook it up to a wired router :)
[05:48] <intelikey> 2.5.17
[05:48] <mefisto__> dwidmann: 3.5.5 is the kde version on edgy, right?
[05:48] <bxnp> dwidmann: is he trying to install kubuntu 6.10
[05:48] <intelikey> heh  5=6
[05:48] <dbglt> dwidmann: how does a package isntall ? Into ramdisk?
[05:48] <dwidmann> mefiesto, yes, but it looks like it was reported on kde3.5.5 and fixed for kde3.5.6
[05:48] <dwidmann> dbglt: yes
[05:48] <the_hammer> ya i red that to
[05:49] <dbglt> dwidmann: it tells me it is already the newestr ver
[05:49] <dwidmann> dbglt: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[05:49] <intelikey> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> Dr_willis be nice.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:50] <dwidmann> hmm, looks like k3b release candidate five is out
[05:50] <saki> !beryl
[05:50] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[05:50] <jesse> I dont understand why the floppy is full there is nothing on it.
[05:51] <intelikey> df
[05:51] <mefisto__> dwidmann: so I just have to wait for an updated package with the fix? Or is there some file editing described in that page that will fix it now?
[05:51] <dwidmann> mefiesto__: kde 3.5.6 is out, check www.kubuntu.org for how to update
[05:51] <Dr_willis> jesse,  i would guess a permission issue then. you trying to write to the floppy as the wrong owner.. OR the write protect tab is moved up.
[05:51] <dwidmann> It should be fixed in kde 3.5.6, according to that bug report
[05:52] <jesse> Not the write protect tab
[05:52] <intelikey> umask=000
[05:52] <Dr_willis> of course poping out the floppy with it mounted.. can confuse all sorts of things.. :)
[05:52] <jesse> I got the Zip file on the disk.
[05:52] <intelikey> i would guess that konqueror is using a trash can someplace
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i dont even have a floppy disk to test. :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> i got a floppy drive.. but its not even hooked up. at this time. heh
[05:53] <jesse> But I should have unzipped than put the files I needed on the floppy.
[05:53] <intelikey> and if it's a trash can  going to trash:/// and deleting what's there should fix it      no?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> not sure if trash: works on media like floppies.
[05:54] <intelikey> Dr_willis i have a 5.25 and 3.5   want me to test it ?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> plus that rm -rf command ya gave earlier should of delted the trash shouldent it?
[05:54] <jesse> Ok now my floppy is gone.
[05:55] <intelikey> that's automount for you.
[05:55] <the_hammer> does ndiswrapper i work in kubuntu?
[05:55] <jesse> Could not remove folder /media/floppy0/.Trash-1000/files/NT4.
[05:55] <intelikey> Dr_willis i think it was done prior to the rm command.
[05:55] <intelikey> there it is.
[05:55] <Dr_willis> I think a reboot is needed...   :)
[05:55] <intelikey> lol
[05:55] <mefisto__> dwidmann: it says the packages are not well supported. Should I be wary of that? I don't want to introduce more problems.
[05:56] <intelikey> windows answer to all problems....      reboot.
[05:56] <intelikey> lol
[05:56] <dwidmann> mefisto__: Well, they certainly seem to work okay for me :)
[05:56] <jesse> Ok I just put a new floppy in the floppy drive.
[05:56] <intelikey> probably without umounting it first.....
[05:56] <Furesho> i followed the directions up to the end with no complaints until i got to the last step.....
[05:57] <bxnp> draik: any luck
[05:57] <jesse> Starting from the start how do I get files on to the floppy? I have the files I need decompressed in a folder.
[05:57] <draik> fiance using her desktop right now and friend is offline and probably already in bed
[05:58] <draik> I'm testing with my laptop, but I want to get things set first
[05:58] <bxnp> do you have the client installed on the laptop
[05:58] <bxnp> on your desktop system i meant
[05:58] <draik> oh,
[05:58] <draik> Yeah, it's installed on my desktop
[05:58] <bxnp> oke
[05:58] <bxnp> do this
[05:58] <draik> 1 question though, why did nx go to my Lost & Found?
[05:59] <bxnp> dunno did you ave a crash
[05:59] <draik> yeah
[05:59] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I'm feeling cautious. Has anyone else updated to kde 3.5.6? Any foreseeable problems?
[05:59] <bxnp> lol
[05:59] <draik> missing lib
[05:59] <bxnp> and is that fixed
[05:59] <draik> yuppers
[05:59] <intelikey> ok i can't test the trash theory cause konqueror only breaks glass at me when i try to    media:///floppy    unless i remount my os that's all i'll get out of it.
[05:59] <Taime1> i have a question about software packages
[05:59] <bxnp> try this file
[05:59] <bxnp> you can connect to the remote servers of nxmachine
[05:59] <Taime1> i dont know how to ask it really...
[06:00] <draik> ok
[06:00] <jesse> I am about to just go to Walmart and ask them if I can use one of there computers with a floppy on it.
[06:00] <bxnp> you have to accept the file
[06:00] <dwidmann> mefisto__: the upgrade might not go perfectly smooth, but lots of people have upgraded to kde 3.5.6, if the upgrade gives you any trouble, it can be worked out easily enough.
[06:00] <Taime1> i know that open office is up to2.1
[06:00] <Taime1> but my sources lists tell me that 2.0 is the newest release
[06:01] <Taime1> is that because ubuntu edgy doesnt have oo 2.1 packages yet?
[06:01] <bxnp> yes
[06:01] <dbglt> ugh
[06:01] <jesse> I have now spent 6 hours trying to get less than 1MB of data onto a floppy.
[06:01] <dbglt> unable to resize NTFS partition, I take it?
[06:01] <draik> ?
[06:01] <Taime1> so i guess that goes for amarok and other programs...?
[06:02] <dbglt> (using the livecd installer)
[06:02] <bxnp> the file i am sending to you
[06:02] <dbglt> resizing my main ntfs partition fails :(
[06:02] <dwidmann> jesse: floppies make me sad.
[06:02] <intelikey> jesse;   sudo umount /dev/fd0 ;sudo mount /dev/fd0 -o umask=000 /media/floppy && cp -r <list all the files or dirs here> /media/floppy
[06:02] <dawn> whats a good prog to rip dvds?
[06:02] <intelikey> <list all the files or dirs here>  <<<< means what it says.
[06:02] <draik> got it
[06:02] <draik> i said yes
[06:02] <dbglt> dawn: for just an image, use k3b
[06:02] <dawn> ok
[06:02] <bxnp> you have it already draike
[06:03] <intelikey> you replace <list all the files or dirs here> with filename.one filename.two      or   dirname/
[06:03] <bxnp> ehm then my konversation does not work good
[06:03] <jesse> Ok done
[06:03] <mefisto__> dwidmann: one last question. can I add those repos and just install the updated korganizer that's giving me trouble? Or do I have to upgrade the whole thing?
[06:03] <jesse> Now what?
[06:03] <intelikey> sudo umount /dev/fd0
[06:03] <dwidmann> mefisto__: probably the whole thing.
[06:03] <mefisto__> ok thanks
[06:04] <draik> nope
[06:04] <mortici> wth
[06:04] <draik> it failed
[06:04] <mortici> i purged beryl
[06:04] <mortici> and i still get this error
[06:04] <mortici> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 0 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[06:04] <jesse> Can I cut and paste files now?
[06:05] <intelikey> short answer,  no
[06:05] <intelikey> go check the disk in the windows box now
[06:05] <jesse> This is the windows box
[06:05] <jesse> Duel boot.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Dual Boot. :)
[06:06] <jesse> Whay we did first worked, I just ran out of space on the disk.
[06:07] <intelikey> jesse if you ran the string i just gave you there should have been lots of disk activity
[06:07] <intelikey> was there ?
[06:07] <jesse> mount: mount point /media/floppy does not exist
[06:08] <intelikey> oh my...  you nuked it.
[06:08] <intelikey> ok use media in sted
[06:08] <jesse>  media:/   Under that I see a floppy icon but cant do anything with i.
[06:08] <jesse> it
[06:09] <jesse> No green tag on the left of it.
[06:09] <jesse> Right I mean
[06:09] <Taime1> this is the first release of ubuntu i have used... is it possible to upgrade to the newest "fawn" or whatever when it comes out? i mean, do i have to do a complete reinstall or is it upgradeable through apt?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> right click on it?
[06:10] <dwidmann> Taime1: it won't be out til April
[06:10] <Taime1> that wasnt my question
[06:10] <Dr_willis> Taime1,  in the past - its been better to reinstall clean.. but that is 'being worked on' :)
[06:10] <mortici> wtfh
[06:10] <Taime1> i see
[06:10] <mortici> my decorations wont show up with latest svn
[06:10] <Dr_willis> i imagine it will always be less hassle to reisntall clean. :)
[06:10] <jesse> Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
[06:10] <Dr_willis> but then ya got the hassle of backing stuff up.
[06:10] <dwidmann> Taime1: well, an improved upgrader for Kubuntu is being worked on and hopefully it will be existent before Feisty Fawn is released
[06:10] <dwidmann> It should make the upgrade process significantly less painful
[06:11] <jesse> That is what happens when I try mounting floppy.
[06:11] <Taime1> thats cool
[06:11] <Taime1> sorry bout the silly questions
[06:11] <Taime1> i guess if something is stable, thats more than i should ask for in the linux world eh?
[06:11] <dwidmann> It's not silly, honest! The upgrade to Edgy from Dapper didn't go smoothly at all. I mean, it was doable, but blah.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> the last few releases have had HUGE changes.. thats always a potential problem
[06:12] <bxnp> why would anybody upgrade anyway
[06:12] <Taime1> im strange, i like the newest everything
[06:12] <bxnp> stop this upgrading and upgrade only if you need extra functionality
[06:12] <dwidmann> updated software = fixed bugs = happy campers
[06:12] <Dr_willis> keep /home on its own hard drive or parittion.. and cleanreinstall
[06:12] <Taime1> im young, i guess thats my problem
[06:12] <Dr_willis> bxnp,  sort of defeats the name 'edgy' then : )
[06:13] <Taime1> hey
[06:13] <bxnp> most people get into problems cause they do upgrade;s
[06:13] <Dr_willis> not that edgy was very... edgy.
[06:13] <Taime1> when you do a clean install,
[06:13] <Taime1> how do you tell it to preserve data in home?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Lets just leave the PC's turned off!
[06:13] <bxnp> if something is stable dont upgrade only do security upgrades
[06:13] <Taime1> is there an option for that?
[06:13] <dwidmann> dr_willis, well, upstart certainly looks very ambitious/edgy
[06:13] <dawn> ok k3b works nicely
[06:13] <dawn> thx
[06:13] <dawn> dbglt
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Taime1,  keep /home in its own partition or hard drive...
[06:13] <jesse> Why can I see a floppy icon in Konqueror but not do anything IE put files I want on to it?
[06:13] <Taime1> well thats cool
[06:13] <Dr_willis> jesse,  i would guess by this time - the system is very confused as to the state of the floppy drive.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jesse,  or have you rebooted recently?
[06:14] <intelikey> the little green curly arrows are nice
[06:14] <dawn> hehe
[06:14] <jesse> No should I?
[06:14] <dwidmann> usb drive > floppy drive
[06:14] <Taime1> lol@dwidmann
[06:14] <Dr_willis> jesse,  given all the twiddling youve done with it in the last hour... it may be a good idea.
[06:15] <jesse> Ok be back in a sec
[06:15] <Taime1> whats a floppy?
[06:15] <dawn> now that I have tightvnc installed
[06:15] <Dr_willis> quick lets all change rooms!
[06:15] <intelikey> dwidmann jesse seems to be playing with a real floppy drive not one of those usb things....  :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Oh wait.. he hasent left yet.. :)
[06:15] <dawn> whats a simple way to invoke it as a process that is running all the time
[06:15] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: lol!
[06:15] <intelikey> now we can
[06:15] <intelikey> (:
[06:15] <dwidmann> intelikey: I mean usb flash drive ...
[06:15] <Dr_willis> dawn,  depends on what you want it to do. Ive seen guides on settingup vnc to auto-spawn and give a kdm/gdm login screen as needed.
[06:16] <Taime1> okay, thanks for answering my ?s
[06:16] <dawn> hmmmm
[06:16] <Taime1> later
[06:16] <dawn> well I do want an X screen
[06:16] <mefisto__> is it possible to undo an upgrade of several packages?
[06:16] <dawn> I have to do some more reading
[06:16] <Dr_willis> dawn,   vnc runs a X session. :) so you can set it up to spawn/run KDM that then lets you login as you would locally.
[06:17] <dwidmann> mefisto__: why do you want to undo it?
[06:17] <dawn> thx Doc.
[06:17] <dawn> I have multiple machines to manage remotely
[06:17] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I don't (yet). Just wondering if it's possible
[06:17] <dwidmann> well, it's not as easy as upgrading, but it is doable
[06:17] <ForgeAus> how do I tell if I'm using swapspace?
[06:18] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  try the 'free' command
[06:18] <mefisto__> dwidmann: I have to undo one package at a time?
[06:18] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: grep swap /etc/mtab
[06:18] <ForgeAus> um ok swap 0 0 0
[06:18] <intelikey> heh /root is 62 bites
[06:18] <ForgeAus> blank dwidman
[06:18] <dwidmann> mefisto__: shouldn't have to, I can't remember if it comes down to having to do that or not
[06:18] <ForgeAus> how do I enable swapspace?
[06:18] <Dasnipa`> intelikey, whats a bites ?
[06:19] <dwidmann> hmm, that was probably an oops
[06:19] <vbgunz> Why doesn't kubuntu automatically mount Windows partitions in either live or hd install?
[06:19] <dwidmann> let me check something
[06:19] <jesse> Ok this will be my last try at geting simple files on a simple floppy and than I am playing WOW.
[06:19] <dawn> bite...yum yum
[06:19] <intelikey> permission is 444
[06:19] <Jucato> $PATH noob problem here.  when I add my own paths in .bashrc, the correct paths are seen in tty's. however, in Konsole, all the paths with sbin are not seen. how and where can I correctly add paths
[06:19] <intelikey> Dasnipa` a typo for bytes
[06:19] <Dasnipa`> intelikey, figured as much, thought id clarify
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  have your .bash_profile source the .bashrc
[06:19] <intelikey> would anyone want to see /root  ?
[06:20] <dawn> ./root is 122kb here
[06:20] <Jucato> Dr_willis: oh thanks. I'll try that
[06:20] <dawn> i just checked
[06:20] <dawn> curious
[06:20] <bxnp> because vbgunz that would be no fun if kubuntu did everything, is it?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats the differance between a 'login shell' and a normal starting 'shell' :) well oneof the diffs
[06:20] <intelikey> dawn  ./root ?    you mean /root or do you have a file or dir named root in your home ?
[06:20] <bxnp> jesse what kind of error do you getting
[06:20] <dwidmann> doesn't look like swap shows up in /etc/mtab :\\
[06:21] <vbgunz> bxnp: yes, that would be crazy fun if Windows partitions were automatically mounted
[06:21] <dawn> no I just placed the period so IRC would accept the text
[06:21] <Jucato> Dr_willis: heh figures... but I just want them both to see the correct paths, that is the one from .bashrc and the one from /etc/environment
[06:21] <intelikey> dwidmann no id doesn't always.    free
[06:21] <ForgeAus> hmmm I don't think its working
[06:21] <bxnp> but if you install it you can say that you want your windows partions to be mounted somewhere
[06:21] <smaggard> look at this douche http://www.flickr.com/photos/shawnyboi/375197653/
[06:21] <ForgeAus> kpackage runs out of memory
[06:21] <bxnp> but when the live cd is running i thing they want it to be save not to mount it
[06:22] <ForgeAus> so if I want to use that I probably need swapspace
[06:22] <dawn> hmmm I have a old folder in /media
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I have a partition for it
[06:22] <dawn> but cannot delete it
[06:22] <dawn> why?
[06:22] <ForgeAus> (I can even make a file if I need to
[06:22] <ForgeAus> I just need to have it on
[06:22] <dwidmann> dawn, do you get an error message?
[06:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus  sudo swapon <file or partition>
[06:23] <dawn> when I plug in a usb drive yes
[06:23] <ForgeAus> by partition /dev/sdb3?
[06:23] <vbgunz> bxnp: I can easily mount a windows partition from a hd install but it doesn't look the same at all from the live cd... is there a difference? I cannot find the Windows hd in /dev :(
[06:23] <intelikey> yes
[06:23] <dawn> I get like a ghost cached copy
[06:23] <Jucato> Dr_willis: and by "source .bashrc" you meant what exactly? (I put the line "source /home/jucato/.bashrc" in .bash_profile... didn't work)
[06:23] <ForgeAus> yay thanx!
[06:23] <dawn> this is why
[06:23] <intelikey> ForgeAus if it's been setup for swap...
[06:23] <ForgeAus> it has
[06:23] <dawn> now I understand
[06:23] <intelikey> ok
[06:23] <ForgeAus> its a partitioned as linux-swap
[06:24] <intelikey> Jucato    ". ~/.bashrc "
[06:24] <dawn> Douglas, good name :)
[06:24] <ForgeAus> now so that I don't have to run that ommand manually each time I boot up how do I make it happen auto?
[06:24] <d0uglas> Hi. How can i add a user to the audio group (trying to get sound going)
[06:24] <d0uglas> thanksk dawn :)
[06:24] <jesse> I cant take it anymore, thanks for your help but this is soooo frustraiting.
[06:24] <Jucato> intelikey: put that line in .bash_profile?
[06:24] <d0uglas> nicest thing anyone's said to me all day
[06:24] <intelikey> Jucato that line in the file you want to source it from   yes
[06:24] <bxnp> jesse: what error do you get
[06:25] <jesse> Why in the world will the floppy not mount?
[06:25] <Jucato> rawr! still doesn't work.... :(
[06:25] <intelikey> Jucato i source everything from /etc/profile    but that's just me.
[06:25] <draik> Jucato: What doesn't work?
[06:25] <Jucato> hi draik
[06:25] <bxnp> did you try  out a different floppy
[06:25] <jesse> I just want to get osme files onto the floppy.
[06:25] <intelikey> Jucato you did login ?
[06:25] <bxnp> maybe its broken
[06:25] <Jucato> $PATH issues...
[06:25] <draik> Hey there Jucato
[06:25] <d0uglas> how can i add a user to a group
[06:25] <jesse> Its not the floppy
[06:25] <Jucato> intelikey: isn't .bash_profile supposed to be run at every new Konsole session?
[06:25] <dawn> Access denied to /home/dawn/.local/share/Trash/files/NAS_Disk-1.
[06:26] <dawn> cannot delete it!
[06:26] <d0uglas> or a group to a user
[06:26] <intelikey> Jucato i don't think that konqueror rereads the configs each time.    could be wrong.
[06:26] <jesse> I just dont know how to use Kubuntu Linux
[06:26] <intelikey> konqueror==konsole Jucato
[06:26] <Jucato> intelikey: the thing is, tty's echo the correct path, with the sbin directories. but console doesn't... :(
[06:26] <draik> bxnp: Quick question... What download from NX was I to get?
[06:26] <Jucato> intelikey: yeah I figured what you meant :D
[06:26] <bxnp> you are quick
[06:26] <d0uglas>  sigh
[06:26] <mefisto__> jesse: are you sure it's not the floppy. they aren't the most reliable things...
[06:27] <dwidmann> close konsole, re-open konsole = configs re-read
[06:27] <intelikey> Jucato let me test a few things and i'll get back to you on that.   you caught me with kde running  (:
[06:27] <Jucato> this is so weird/annoying...
[06:27] <jesse> Ok I just put orriginal floppy in
[06:27] <Jucato> intelikey: heh it's ok. it's not a critical issue... just annoying
[06:27] <bxnp> do you see it draike
[06:27] <Dr_willis> put a command in the .bashrc like 'echo THIS is .bashrc" and put one in .bash_profile  saying "echo ThisIs .bash_profile" and see when each runs...
[06:28] <Dr_willis> or just put the identical lines in each one. :)
[06:28] <draik> bxnp: There is no "e" in the name draik
[06:28] <draik> Do I see what?
[06:28] <Jucato> Dr_willis: ok.. that's a funny way to test it. but ok :)
[06:28] <bxnp> lol
[06:28] <bxnp> the file i am trying to send you
[06:28] <bxnp> do you know how dcc receive works ??
[06:28] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  its called 'exploring' :) OR you could read the advance bash guide.. :) and see how it all works.
[06:28] <draik> I do
[06:28] <intelikey> Jucato konsole does NOT reread .bash_profile
[06:28] <draik> but I don't think its working
[06:28] <bxnp> what irc client are you on
[06:28] <Jucato> intelikey: oh heck?
[06:28] <draik> I keep getting timeout
[06:29] <bxnp> lol sorry my firewall
[06:29] <Dr_willis> konsole -ls 'should' read the .bash_profile
[06:29] <Jucato> intelikey: hm.. it seems so, using Dr_willis crazy test :)
[06:29] <bxnp> wait a sec lets open this porty
[06:29] <intelikey> Jucato i'll see if i can find anything that it does read.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> xterm -ls   should also.
[06:29] <Jucato> Dr_willis: hm.. -ls should read .bashrc, right?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> now konsole may default to using the 'loginshell' option -
[06:29] <Jucato> ugh!!! now I'm confused
[06:29] <Dr_willis> loginshell = reads .bash_profile - which then NORMALLy reads the .bashrc (i think)
[06:29] <Jucato> why do they have to separate the two!?!?!!?
[06:30] <jesse> Ug good night
[06:30] <Dr_willis> becuse theres some cases where you just need a script ran only for a login shell.
[06:30] <Jucato> so _profile is for login shells, bashrc isn't?
[06:30] <draik> ok. I just port forwarded.
[06:30] <draik> Please send it again bxnp
[06:30] <Dr_willis> read the .bashrc
[06:31] <Dr_willis> willis@audigy:~$ cat .bashrc
[06:31] <Dr_willis> # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells.
[06:31] <intelikey> Jucato it seems that it does read   ~/.profile
[06:31] <Jucato> ha! ok... tty's == bash_profile, konsole == bashrc
[06:31] <Dr_willis> # ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
[06:31] <intelikey> put your var's in there or source .bashrc from it.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> a tty is normally a login shell.. correct.. konsole CAN be a loginshell.
[06:31] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't have ~/.profile
[06:32] <intelikey> well if you did konsole will read it.   and maybe .bashrc too
[06:32] <Jucato> hmm. ok
[06:32] <Dr_willis> the default .bash_profile here is set to read/include/source the .bashrc also
[06:32] <Jucato> this is all so confusing to a noob like me :P
[06:32] <flaccid---> quit
[06:32] <flaccid---> oops
[06:32] <intelikey> yes  mine is and .profile is too.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> its all rather simple. :)
[06:33] <draik> Jucato: YOU a noob?!?! Did the def. for a noob change overnight?
[06:33] <Jucato> I mean, without the .profile, which doesn't seem to be there by default
[06:33] <Jucato> draik: oh I'm a noob in these things... and Linux Bible didn't clarify much about the differences
[06:33] <Dr_willis> .profile i though was a nother specific case
[06:33] <bxnp> oke now it works
[06:33] <intelikey> but i can't find anything that openvt -- /bin/sh    will source....
[06:33] <Dr_willis>  the 'advance bash scripting guide' has some info on this
[06:34] <Dr_willis> I just put in a lot of 'echo whatever.....' and figured out what was gettting read when. :)
[06:34] <Jucato> hehe yeah, now I know which reads which....
[06:34] <Dr_willis> .bash_profile has some info on setting the path in there...
[06:34] <Dr_willis> id set the path there at the end.. of that file
[06:34] <draik> what's with all the port changes?
[06:35] <draik> bxnp: What's with the port changes?
[06:35] <draik> I have you setup already with the other ports
[06:35] <Dr_willis> hmm - it dosent export the path.. .odd.
[06:35] <Jucato> intelikey: I don't want it system wide
[06:35] <bxnp> nevermind draik i put it om my webserver
[06:35] <draik> kew
[06:35] <intelikey> Jucato ah then i wouldn't set it there
[06:35] <intelikey> :)
[06:36] <Jucato> intelikey: definitely :)
[06:36] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah i don't know when bash stoped exporting PATH  but it's like MS-DOS now   just a   PATH=blah   and your done.
[06:37] <Dr_willis> well if every new instaance sets thepath.. gues sya dont need to export it..
[06:37] <Dr_willis> but it seems... odd..
[06:37] <intelikey> yeah did to me too.
[06:38] <Jucato> so no need to "export PATH=blahblah"?
[06:38] <intelikey> you can still export it if you like,  i have tested and dont see any differance.
[06:39] <Jucato> ok, so .bash_profile also read .bashrc (but doesn't run it)?
[06:39] <intelikey> Jucato    "export "   is optional  in "export PATH=blahblah"
[06:39] <intelikey> bash_profile is not read by konsole.
[06:39] <Dr_willis> reading it is sort of the same as 'running it'
[06:40] <Dr_willis> konsole  --ls   Start login shell   ----> makes it read bash_profile
[06:40] <phobiac_> Hmm, I've got a java issue. I've got java working fine, but firefox doesn't seem to want to work with me on it. Opening firefox from the Konsole and going to a website that has a java thing in it gives me this error: "/usr/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_nscp.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[06:40] <Jucato> Dr_willis: but the echo "This is bashrc" I make doesn't display unless I put ". ~/.bashrc" explicitly
[06:40] <intelikey> what  . filename   does is execute the file in the same shell.   where   filename  opens a subshell then executes the file in it.
[06:41] <phobiac_> And there is, indeed, no file there. Nor even an i386 directiory in /usr/lib. Any idea what could be pointing firefox in the wrong direction?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> the default bash_profile i have here.. shoruces the .bashrc
[06:41] <Jucato> hm let me try that again...
[06:41] <intelikey> Jucato   echo '. ~/.bashrc` > ~/.profile      and then try it.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> # include .bashrc if it exists
[06:42] <Jucato> oh yeah it does lol silly me
[06:45] <Jucato> intelikey: doesn't work... I'll eventually figure this out... eventually
[06:45] <seanj> hi people
[06:45] <Dr_willis> ive never needed to use .profile :)
[06:45] <intelikey> Jucato what are you doing to "test" whether or not it works ?
[06:46] <Jucato> intelikey: try a new Konsole session...
[06:46] <Jucato> because that's where my problem is
[06:46] <Jucato> Konsole sessions...
[06:46] <intelikey> try closing konsole and opening it again
[06:46] <intelikey> that's the way i was testing.
[06:46] <intelikey> close and reopen
[06:46] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  thats not exactly correct..
[06:47] <Jucato> intelikey: still no workey...
[06:47] <Dr_willis> its wether or not the shell is a login shell or not.
[06:47] <Dr_willis> konsole by default is not a login shell unless invokde with 'konsole --ls'
[06:47] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I know... but normally  Konsole doesn't start/run with -ls :)
[06:47] <Dr_willis> so konsole should be reading the .bashrc then
[06:48] <Jucato> you mean bash_profile, right?
[06:48] <Jucato> @_@
[06:49] <intelikey> Jucato konsole menus > settings > configure konsole > sessions  on the middle of the three lines where it says "bash"   add  -
[06:49] <Dr_willis> from what i am reading the .bash_profile is read by login shells.
[06:50] <Jucato> Dr_willis: meaning, regular Konsole won't read it. only those run with --ls
[06:50] <intelikey> yes and that will make it a login shell   ^
[06:50] <intelikey> where it says "bash"    make it say   "bash -"
[06:50] <Dr_willis> whats *#&@&@ odd.. i cant get any thing to echo from either one.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> wonder if its clearing the screen too fast
[06:51] <Jucato> intelikey: what's that supposed to do?
[06:51] <intelikey> make the bash session a login session
[06:51] <Jucato> doesn't work though
[06:52] <intelikey> how do you know it isn't working ?
[06:52] <intelikey> colour me dumb  but what test are you using ?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> aha - put the  echo "#########this is .bashrc############" at the start of .bashrc
[06:52] <Dr_willis> not the end. :)
[06:52] <Dr_willis> somthing in there is exiting i think and not making it to the end.
[06:53] <Jucato> Dr_willis: I put it at the end and it still dipslays :)
[06:53] <intelikey> don't echo out of it.    set a variable in it.  and test it.       Q=2     then echo $Q
[06:53] <Dr_willis> just delete the .bashrc and .bash_profile and then make a .script and link them all together! :)
[06:53] <Jucato> intelikey: in .bashrc, I put echo "this is bashrc"
[06:53] <Jucato> in bash_profile I put echo "this is bash_profile"
[06:54] <Jucato> then I make them both echo $PATH
[06:54] <Dr_willis> try 'xterm' and 'xterm -ls' and see if they differ...
[06:54] <intelikey> faulty
[06:54] <Jucato> Dr_willis: xterm behaves exactly like Konsole
[06:54] <intelikey> set a variable and then when it opens type echo $varname
[06:54] <Dr_willis> right.. but it dont seem tobe doing it exactly here.. for some reason.
[06:54] <intelikey> then you know if it's working or not.
[06:54] <Jucato> ok...
[06:55] <Jucato> so I have to MSG="This is bashrc", then echo $MSG?
[06:55] <Dr_willis> a new tab here in Konsole - reads the .bashrc :)
[06:55] <intelikey> it is working here.
[06:55] <intelikey> Jucato yes
[06:55] <Jucato> Dr_willis: er.. that's the normal behavior.. normal Konsole reads .bashrc
[06:55] <intelikey> the echo is on the command line.  not in the config
[06:55] <Dr_willis> wonder if a new tab from konsole -ls does...
[06:55] <underdog5004> lol, just did a sudo apt-get install kde...installed a buttload of extra stuff (virtual pets, tea timers, etc...)
[06:56] <Jucato> underdog5004: heh of course it will :)
[06:56] <Dr_willis> 'konsole -ls' = reads both.. and the new tabs.. also reads both... ok now its acting right. :)
[06:57] <underdog5004> oh well...I've got the space for it...
[06:57] <intelikey> was working right all the time for me....
[06:57] <underdog5004> ooh, also got a mouse odometer!
[06:57] <Jucato> Dr_willis: new tab from the konsole -ls , I presume
[06:57] <dwidmann> Oooooohh, I just noticed something! An ancient problem I've always had with Kontact seems to have been fixed in KDE 3.5.6
[06:57] <intelikey> Jucato did you change   bash to bash -   in the settings ?
[06:57] <bxnp> what was that dwidmann
[06:57] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yep.
[06:58] <Jucato> Dr_willis: if you run konsole -ls, all new tabs will be -ls... so it will read .bash_profile, which also reads .bashrc
[06:58] <Jucato> intelikey: let me try again
[06:58] <dwidmann> Scenario: Kontact is already open, you click a launcher for Kontact, it closes out kontact and you have to reopen it
[06:59] <dwidmann> Now it behaves more like I would want it to, if that launcher is clicked, it realizes it's already running, and brings focus to it :)
[06:59] <Jucato> intelikey: no workey. still reads .bashrc and still has the incomplete $PATH
[06:59] <d0uglas> Does kubuntu use kdm by default?
[06:59] <dwidmann> d0uglas: yes
[06:59] <Jucato> Dr_willis, intelikey: basically, my problem is that  I can't use commands in /sbin and /usr/sbin when in Konsole, only in tty's
[06:59] <intelikey> well maybe something changed from dapper to edgy
[07:00] <d0uglas> where can i find kdm's conf files regarding who may log in or from which group they must be etc
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  normally  only root should be having those in his bath.
[07:00] <d0uglas> not seeing it in the control panel exactly
[07:00] <Jucato> Dr_willis: er?
[07:00] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  you refering to when you su and sudo ?
[07:00] <Jucato> Dr_willis: no. check /etc/environment, the /sbin directories are included by default
[07:01] <Jucato> some commands, like blkid, usually don't need sudo
[07:01] <seanj> how do I make the clock do like 5:35 PM?
[07:01] <Dr_willis> I got sbin and so on in my deffault path
[07:01] <dwidmann> d0uglas: might be able to do all that with the kdm kcontrol module, have you looked at it?
[07:01] <intelikey> seanj right click on it  and configure it
[07:01] <seanj> I tried that intelikey, it still is in military time format
[07:02] <intelikey> cause you didnt
[07:02] <intelikey> change the format
[07:02] <seanj> I just did!
[07:02] <Dr_willis> seanj,  set the format, logout/back in.
[07:02] <seanj> where exactly ?
[07:02] <seanj> thanks Dr_willis
[07:02] <Dr_willis> thers some other way to do that.. but i forget how..
[07:02] <Dr_willis> and yes its silly.
[07:02] <Jucato> Dr_willis: yes, but when I added some paths of my own in .bashrc, the sbin path disappeared when i Konsole, (although my new paths work perfectly)
[07:02] <d0uglas> dwidmann: looking now...
[07:03] <d0uglas> dwi yeah i've looked all through this thing, found similar things but not exactly what i'm going for which i'd say but it's taboo on irc
[07:05] <dwidmann> d0uglas: well, I would figure it would be in login-manager -> users, and you can specify a range of  UIDs that can't log in .....(ie, UIDs below 1000 can't, UIDs above 29999 can't)
[07:05] <intelikey> don't have to logout for the time format to take affect
[07:05] <dwidmann> d0uglas, at least, that looks like what it does
[07:05] <d0uglas> ahh!! i saw that right before you said it
[07:05] <d0uglas> thanks
[07:05] <intelikey> logging in from where ?
[07:06] <dwidmann> intelikey: kdm
[07:06] <intelikey> k
[07:06] <intelikey> thing even
[07:07] <intelikey> it writes in /root   as a tmp dir
[07:07] <intelikey> and does other nasty things.
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[07:08] <ceefour> hi kubuntu experts.. :-)
[07:09] <d0uglas> dwidmann: well, all the users are now visible (sys users) in kdm but it still wont let me log in as you know what
[07:09] <intelikey> lol   rascal
[07:10] <intelikey> d0uglas oh you want graphical root login.  did you set a root passwd ?
[07:10] <bxnp> testing something out, could somebody use my name in a message
[07:10] <intelikey> bxnp no
[07:10] <Jucato> bxnp: we will not use your name in a message
[07:11] <bxnp> wait
[07:11] <intelikey> bxnp it aint gonna happen
[07:12] <bxnp> please intelikey do it again
[07:12] <intelikey> d0uglas you are not answering me  does that mean you don't want me to help you ?
[07:12] <intelikey> bxnp no
[07:13] <intelikey> shame.... i like helping people login as root....  (:
[07:13] <Jucato> intelikey: just point them to the wiki and wash your hands :)
[07:13] <bxnp> just doing the osd thing in konversation
[07:14] <Jucato> that osd is a godsent for me :P
[07:16] <intelikey> Jucato the wiki doesn't explain how to enable kdm for root login does it ?
[07:16] <intelikey> maybe i need to revisit that page
[07:16] <Jucato> intelikey: it does :P
[07:16] <Jucato> and I think I told you that before too
[07:17] <bxnp> sorry
[07:17] <intelikey> no it explained how to enable login as root but not configure kdm....  the last time i was there.
[07:17] <riflerat> hi
[07:17] <dwidmann> oh, and intelikey, I found something useful a while back -> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152274
[07:18] <riflerat> is it possible to install kubuntu 6.10 onto RAID?
[07:18] <riflerat> I know that 6.06 could be...
[07:18] <dwidmann> riflerat: mdadm raid, hardware raid, or fakeraid?
[07:18] <riflerat> hw raid
[07:18] <riflerat> ibm xseries m206
[07:18] <Jucato> intelikey: er.. enable login as root = configure kdm
[07:19] <dwidmann> really real hardware raid, right? not that fake stuff on the newer motherboards?
[07:19] <riflerat> i guess yes
[07:19] <compgood> is mythtv not in the kubuntu repositories?
[07:19] <riflerat> adaptec i think
[07:19] <ceefour> dwidmann: how to setup konqueror default display view so everytime I open a new tab it uses tree view?
[07:19] <dwidmann> riflerat, well, I don't see the harm in trying
[07:19] <compgood> every walkthrough I find says enable multiverse and universe, then call apt-get install mythtv..
[07:19] <compgood> but it cant find mythtv
[07:20] <intelikey> Jucato so it does now.  very bottom of the page.... nice.
[07:20] <riflerat> dwidmann: thx, what should the system recognize? one "raid-device" and/or individual disks also?
[07:21] <compgood> do i have to install it from source in kububuntu?
[07:21] <riflerat> dwidmann: 2 sata disks RAID1
[07:21] <intelikey> Jucato  enable login as root != configure kdm      unless your devinition of "login" doesn't include the console.
[07:21] <intelikey> definition maybe
[07:21] <Jucato> intelikey: err sorry, "enable graphical login as root" == configure kdm
[07:21] <Jucato> !mythtv | compgood
[07:21] <ubotu> compgood: MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[07:21] <dwidmann> riflerat, if it's hardware raid, it should only see one device
[07:22] <intelikey> yes true that ^
[07:22] <Jucato> !info mythtv
[07:22] <ubotu> mythtv: A personal video recorder application (client and server). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.20-0.2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 64 kB
[07:22] <Jucato> compgood: ^^^^
[07:22] <dwidmann> ceefour, I can't recall, I'll get back to you in a sec
[07:22] <intelikey> login is not allowed on this box
[07:23] <dwidmann> ceefour, try changing the view to the tree view, t hen saving the view profile
[07:23] <compgood> yes, Ive been using that
[07:23] <compgood> as I said, it says they are on multiverse
[07:24] <compgood> but they arent
[07:24] <Jucato> compgood: you probably don't have the correct multiverse repository
[07:24] <compgood> I have multiverse and universe enabled, and have updated.  but it cant find them
[07:24] <smaggard_> wrong multiverse i bet
[07:24] <riflerat> thx dwidmann now the hw creating the array then I will try to install it, after I will get back here ;)
[07:24] <ceefour> dwidmann: that works only for the first tab. on subsequent tabs it always opens in icon view
[07:24] <compgood> whatever multiverse was commented in sources.list is what I have
[07:24] <Jucato> compgood: pastebin your sources.list please?
[07:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | compgood
[07:24] <ubotu> compgood: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:24] <compgood> k
[07:25] <intelikey> compgood  pastbin.ca your /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:25] <dwidmann> ceefour :(
[07:25] <compgood> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3557/
[07:27] <dwidmann> ceefour: perhaps the other tabs that are opened use a different view profile, or somethign
[07:27] <Jucato> compgood: line 16 and 17, there should be "multiverse" at the end
[07:27] <smaggard_> gee willickers!!!
[07:27] <Jucato> compgood: 31 and 32 also. just add "multiverse" beside "universe"
[07:27] <compgood> oh
[07:28] <compgood> sweet
[07:28] <compgood> that did the trick
[07:28] <compgood> thanks
[07:29] <compgood> what I wouldnt give to just be able to download "mythtv-installer.exe" and just run it :)
[07:29] <compgood> ive always been curious why so much is so much more complex than it has to be
[07:29] <Jucato> :P
[07:29] <Jucato> it's not *that* complex.
[07:29] <compgood> I know
[07:30] <compgood> but extra work
[07:30] <Jucato> the distro you have chosen just chose not to enable multiverse
[07:30] <Jucato> (which will change in feisty)
[07:30] <compgood> for example: why is multiverse and universe not enabled my default?
[07:30] <Jucato> universe is enabled by default in Edgy (not in Dapper and earlier)
[07:30] <Jucato> compgood: because of legal and philosphical reasons
[07:31] <compgood> screw legality :) legal only relates to software because of geedy millionaires :)
[07:31] <Jucato> then, screw them. they're the ones making it harder :)
[07:31] <compgood> damn strait
[07:31] <compgood> lol
[07:32] <compgood> I keep installing vista, and keep trying to like it... but I just cant do it
[07:32] <compgood> lol
[07:32] <compgood> all videos echo for some reason
[07:33] <dwidmann> well, be back soon, lets see how good I broke things :D
[07:35] <Forge> back... its still not using the swap memory
[07:35] <Forge> well 4 bytes isn't really use
[07:35] <Forge> theres 3 gig there if it wants to access it!
[07:36] <Forge> why is it saying its running out of memory yet not using the swapspace?
[07:36] <Forge> krusader doesn't even run
[07:46] <d0uglas> to get wifi going after a boot or a dropped signal i have to do dhclient eth1... got ifplugd, waproamd (configged it to eth1).. nothing
[07:47] <intelikey> am i back yet ?
[07:47] <intelikey> nope not yet...
[07:47] <Forge> your back
[07:47] <intelikey> no but i will be.
[07:48] <Forge> lol well you seem ok to me
[07:50] <underdog5004> was there a split?
[07:50] <underdog5004> hellllooo?
[07:51] <underdog5004> looks like there was a split...second time in 3 days for me...
[07:52] <underdog5004> so, anyone d/l the kde 3.5.6
[07:52] <underdog5004> ?
[07:52] <chavo> underdog5004, yes
[07:52] <underdog5004> impressions?
[07:53] <chavo> seems the same to me, lots of bugfixes and under the hood stuff
[07:53] <underdog5004> chavo, how can I install it?
[07:53] <chavo> underdog5004, you on edgy?
[07:53] <intelikey> ok i think i'm back now.
[07:53] <underdog5004> yep
[07:54] <chavo> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[07:54] <underdog5004> thanks
[07:54] <chavo> tells you step by step how to get it
[07:54] <chavo> np
[07:54] <intelikey> !php
[07:54] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[07:56] <underdog5004> chavo, I added a mirror to my sources.list...sudo apt-get update?
[07:56] <intelikey> yeah
[07:56] <underdog5004> cool
[07:56] <seanj> yay, clock problem solved
[07:56] <chavo> yeah and make sure you get the key also
[07:57] <intelikey> yes mussent have those pesky gpg error messages
[07:58] <chavo> yeah it'll still work but those messages are pesky :D
[08:01] <underdog5004> ok, got the key, updating...
[08:03] <dwidmann> Hmm, has anyone else noticed that cdroms and the like don't seem to automount properly in edgy?
[08:03] <surgy> hello
[08:03] <surgy> is there anyway i can disable the xwindows cursers while using blender? the little x and the little hand get in the way when editing close quarters vertices
[08:04] <underdog5004> intelikey, uh....  E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:06] <intelikey> yeah that happens if a mirror is down or you have wrong data in the sources.list
[08:06] <underdog5004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3560/
[08:06] <steven07> does anyone know how i can get my wireless to work on compaq v2000?
[08:06] <underdog5004> but after I did the update, my adept-updater says 230 new packages...
[08:06] <intelikey> !wifi | steven07
[08:06] <ubotu> steven07: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:07] <intelikey> been there ?
[08:07] <steven07> not yet...ill give it a try thanks=)
[08:08] <intelikey> underdog5004 take the us. out of the updates line  and see if it will update cleanly
[08:09] <underdog5004> think my local mirror is crapped out?
[08:09] <dwidmann> underdog5004: it wouldn't be the first time
[08:09] <intelikey> try it and see.  you can always put it back.
[08:09] <underdog5004> alrighty...h/o
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[08:11] <surgy> polkadot: that is off topic and this chat is for kubuntu support
[08:11] <intelikey> and rather unbusy atm
[08:11] <dwidmann> PolkaDot: besides, there's nothing stopping you from /nick newnick -ing anyway
[08:14] <intelikey> echo  #!#   (:
[08:15] <intelikey> oh have to quote it... sorry.    echo "#!#"
[08:16] <surgy> polkadot: is my g/f and she was looking for a general chat area to talk about he said she said stuff
[08:16] <steven07> im sorry but which link do i click on in the ubuntu site??
[08:17] <intelikey> !wifi
[08:17] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:17] <steven07> which one do i click though??
[08:20] <steven07> anyone?plz??=(
[08:22] <posingaspopular> steven07: you have to be more specific thenthat
[08:22] <posingaspopular> try WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[08:24] <steven07> can someone here plz plz plz help me with my wireless:(:(
[08:24] <steven07> what do you need to know?
[08:24] <notech> see if your wireless chipset is in the card specific section
[08:25] <steven07> how do i know what my chipset is?
[08:26] <notech> i just knew mine, but think lspci -v will tell you
[08:26] <steven07> in the konsole right?
[08:26] <notech> yep
[08:27] <steven07> sorry...im such a noob=P just installed linux today about...2 hours ago=P
[08:27] <notech> no problem, we were all new at one time
[08:29] <steven07> alright...so i found network controller:broadcomo corporation BCM4318 [airforce one 54g]  802.11g wireless LAN controller (rev 02)
[08:29] <steven07> does that sound like its it?
[08:29] <steven07> or am i looking for something else
[08:29] <notech> that's it, the link for broadcom bcm43xx
[08:29] <notech> err, 4311
[08:30] <notech> not the same but might be close enough
[08:30] <steven07> so what do i do?
[08:31] <notech> hmm, 4311 is a mini-pcie, dunno id yours is
[08:31] <notech> braodcom usually requires ndiswrapper and the windows driver
[08:31] <notech> !ndiswrapper
[08:31] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:31] <notech> try that link
[08:32] <steven07> so you want me to type !ndiswrapper in the konsole?
[08:32] <notech> no, go to the link ubotu just showed for ndiswrapper
[08:33] <notech> ubotu is a bot, !ndiswrapper just triggered the bot to give us info on it
[08:33] <steven07> and then?
[08:33] <steven07> I'm at the pagef
[08:34] <steven07> page*
[08:34] <notech> see what that link shows, it might give you step by step instructions. i've never looked at it cuz my wireless is nativelt supported
[08:34] <steven07> what exactly am i looking for
[08:34] <notech> hmm, looks like the same page as before
[08:35] <steven07> under wireless drivers there a link that says WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Edgy
[08:35] <notech> that sounds good, try tht link
[08:36] <notech> assuming you run edgy
[08:37] <steven07> yeah i run edgy
[08:37] <steven07> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=185174
[08:38] <steven07> you think that would help??
[08:38] <wgn> hi
[08:40] <notech> steven07: probably, it looks pretty good as a step by step guide to follow
[08:40] <intelikey> anyone in here know how to get sshd to listen on a null modem  ttyS0 ?
[08:40] <intelikey> or is that even considered good networking ?
[08:41] <wgn> what r u talking
[08:41] <intelikey> anyone in here know how to get sshd to listen on a null modem  ttyS0 ?  <<< wgn that ?
[08:43] <dawn> how does *nix process workgroups names?
[08:43] <dawn> or domain names for that matter?
[08:44] <intelikey> !dns
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dns - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <flaccid> !samba
[08:44] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:44] <flaccid> !bind
[08:44] <ubotu> bind: Internet Domain Name Server. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:8.4.6-1 (edgy), package size 888 kB, installed size 2092 kB
[08:44] <dawn> emm
[08:44] <dawn> hmm
[08:44] <flaccid> there you go dawn
[08:44] <flaccid> is that what you mean?
[08:44] <dawn> yes
[08:45] <flaccid> ok
[08:45] <dawn> I have a raid 5 file server that is setup on "xxx" workgroup
[08:45] <intelikey> so, know how to get sshd to listen on a null modem  ttyS0 ?
[08:45] <dawn> and I want to connect my buntu box to it
[08:45] <flaccid> dawn: read the samba dodcs
[08:45] <flaccid> docs
[08:45] <dawn> ok
[08:45] <flaccid> intelikey: i don't think anyone can help
[08:46] <dawn> ill fig/ it out
[08:46] <dawn> always do
[08:46] <dawn> jus need lil pointers
[08:46] <flaccid> you have probably want to mount it
[08:46] <dawn> thx guys
[08:46] <dawn> yes
[08:46] <dawn> mount the shares
[08:46] <flaccid> otherwise just browse in konqueror using smb://server/share
[08:47] <vikrant> hi all
[08:48] <antiNeo> you guys won't believe what kubuntu is doing... I have windows installed on an old hard drive, and it's using fat32. my newer hard drive has kubuntu on it. whenever kubuntu boots, my old hard drive makes it's distinct racheting sound, and a lot of crazy hexadecimal numbers come on the screen. I suspect that kubuntu is trying to check that fat32 partition and fix it's errors.... the only problem is, that partition is eternaly borked and no m
[08:48] <antiNeo> how do I get it to stop this nonsense?
[08:48] <vikrant> i was wondering if anyone has used feisty fawn yet?
[08:48] <vikrant> any views?
[08:48] <flaccid> antiNeo: i don't knwo what its doing. fsck won't output hex like that
[08:49] <dwidmann> antiNeo, make sure it's not being mounted, remove any entries that point to that drive from your /etc/fstab
[08:49] <intelikey> antiNeo remove the line     yeah that ^
[08:49] <dwidmann> vikrant, I've got it, but nothing seems to be visually different so far
[08:49] <notech> ratcheting sound? bad drive?
[08:49] <crube> Every time I restart my computer, my background image redets to nothing. I have my own downloaded wallpaper, and I put it to /usr/share/wallpaper/ I made sure the permissions are all good, but it still resets every time. What's going on?
[08:49] <antiNeo> flaccid: well, the exact thing happened to me before with and older ubuntu...
[08:49] <flaccid> antiNeo: pastebin what its doing. we have NO idea otherwise.
[08:49] <crube> resets*
[08:49] <antiNeo> notech: naw, just old. it's probably bad too, but I don't care ;-)
[08:49] <vikrant> dwidmann, thanks i just attended a conference that said that beryl is included is that true?
[08:50] <dwidmann> I don't recall that, I can boot into Feisty and check if you want
[08:50] <vikrant> ok thx, coz they are making it look like this great new alternative to vista and since i am a beginner on edgy its very tempting.... :)
[08:51] <intelikey> "hype"
[08:52] <antiNeo> ohh wow... the pass was set to 1 in fstab... suppose I shoulda checked before bothering you guys ;-P
[08:52] <flaccid> sad thing is vista is more stable like that
[08:52] <vikrant> i have been using vista too but it seems rather a resource hog
[08:53] <flaccid> resource hog bug more stable than beryl on ubuntu
[08:53] <vikrant> i agree
[08:53] <flaccid> unfortunately
[08:53] <brett> anyone know of a channel that discusses C?
[08:53] <flaccid> linux needs to get its act together fast coz its 2007
[08:53] <dwidmann> brb, going to reboot into feisty
[08:53] <vikrant> the number of times i have had to reload beryl is well large
[08:53] <intelikey> #C
[08:54] <brett> thanks
[08:54] <vikrant> thanks dwidmann
[08:54] <intelikey> or is it #C++
[08:54] <flaccid> and you should never have to reload it
[08:54] <brett> i am not interested in C++
[08:54] <flaccid> we are quite a long way away from stable
[08:54] <Jucato> ##c
[08:54] <vikrant> i mean the little context menu that says reload window manager
[08:54] <flaccid> brett: do you live in 1970 ?
[08:54] <flaccid> :)
[08:55] <brett> flaccid: nope... just in a college that is in 1970
[08:55] <flaccid> oh really that sux.
[08:55] <flaccid> they could of at least chosen c++ which gives objects
[08:55] <brett> well i am designing an OS
[08:55] <brett> or at least thats what they claim in the class... it seems alot more watered down then that
[08:56] <vikrant> hey thats nice brett, i am a noob dumb non-tech end user do u think ur os is any help for me?
[08:56] <intelikey> make it a good one and MS will buy it from you and we'll never hear of it again.
[08:56] <vikrant> does MS really do that intelikey?
[08:57] <flaccid> sif m$ would ever buy an OS
[08:58] <intelikey> vikrant not according to the official posting
[08:58] <flaccid> they just steal it. well they stole one but thats all they needed
[08:58] <vikrant> oh thats bad for business
[08:58] <vikrant> for everyone
[08:59] <flaccid> thats where windows comes from
[08:59] <flaccid> a stolen operating system
[08:59] <flaccid> they stole it
[08:59] <vikrant> really?
[08:59] <flaccid> yep
[08:59] <vikrant> i thought uncle bill made it frm scratch
[08:59] <Jucato> MS-DOS...
[08:59] <flaccid> heheh yeah right
[08:59] <vikrant> no
[08:59] <flaccid> m$ still get busted for putting warez in their software
[08:59] <flaccid> this was before ms-dos well what they made ms-dos into
[09:00] <vikrant> u need to tell me that story
[09:00] <vikrant> pls
[09:00] <flaccid> google it :)
[09:00] <vikrant> oh ok
[09:00] <vikrant> brb
[09:00] <intelikey> better yet  http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-winxp
[09:00] <Jucato> or tell the story in #kubuntu-offtopic to liven up that channel :)
[09:01] <flaccid> man i'm trying to find the name of the dos
[09:01] <underdog5004> intelikey, man, this is taking forever!
[09:01] <flaccid> ah well google it
[09:01] <Jucato> flaccid: maybe you can tell vikrant the story in #kubuntu-offtopic? I'm interested too lol
[09:01] <flaccid> Jucato: i don't go there
[09:01] <intelikey> hmm ctrl+C  and put nl. where us. was  ?
[09:01] <Jucato> hehe :)
[09:02] <underdog5004> intelikey, naw, just my ISP...I got a new cable modem and my ISP hates it...they're supposed to fix it soon...thinkin' about a refund....
[09:02] <dwidmann> yay, feisty failed to boot, that's fun.
[09:03] <flaccid> it was qdos iirc
[09:03] <vikrant> oh
[09:03] <intelikey> dwidmann did it fail to boot or fail shortly after boot ?
[09:03] <cpk1> just started the fiesty torrent heh
[09:04] <crazy_bus> Im trying to watch a downloaded instruction video off this site.  http://www.kidzonline.org/corp/FAQ.asp#drmProb  However the file format is wmv with drm.  Is there any way to play this?
[09:04] <cpk1> iirc you are sol with any kind of drm media
[09:04] <intelikey> !wmv
[09:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:04] <dwidmann> intelikey: hung on some usb related line
[09:05] <intelikey> well at least it booted.
[09:05] <intelikey> lockup or panic ?
[09:06] <dwidmann> lockup
[09:06] <dwidmann> syslog and dmesg are empty, so it hadn't gotten to that point yet
[09:06] <intelikey> ^C wouldn't help ?
[09:06] <dwidmann> I suppose I could reboot and try that intelikey, but I doubt it will work (but maybe, never know, I think I'll try)
[09:06] <crazy_bus> !drm
[09:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <intelikey> yeah it scans all the hardware while still in the initramfs
[09:06] <vikrant> hmmm i just read abt MS and i am flabbergasted...... man they stink
[09:07] <crazy_bus> about the w32codecs it says; WMV files encoded with DRM (Digital Rights Management) cannot be played with this package.
[09:07] <intelikey> vikrant really ?
[09:07] <flaccid> always have always will ;0
[09:07] <intelikey> i hadn't noticed.
[09:08] <brett> my internet has been going really slow lately... i am attempting to paste something into paste bin and it has taken two minutes so far
[09:08] <crazy_bus> Is there any other package to play drm or to remove it?
[09:08] <cpk1> like i said pretty sure you are sol with drm media on linux
[09:08] <dwidmann> vikrant, which thing did you read?
[09:08] <intelikey> vikrant yeah what did you just read ?
[09:08] <underdog5004> MS sucks the big one...as it were...
[09:09] <intelikey> was.
[09:09] <intelikey> dubble plural
[09:09] <vikrant> i read the link at http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_1.html
[09:09] <vikrant> sorry dwiddman was doing something else
[09:10] <underdog5004> were is singular, no?
[09:10] <vikrant> brb goota go catch some lunch
[09:10] <vikrant> bye guys thx for your time
[09:10] <underdog5004> adios!
[09:11] <dwidmann> underdog5004: were = the plural of was
[09:11] <crazy_bus> Is there way to strip drm off wmv's?
[09:11] <underdog5004> I didn't know that...whoa
[09:11] <dwidmann> crazy_bus: doubtful
[09:12] <underdog5004> wmv is microsofts proprietary format...
[09:13] <flaccid> nope
[09:14] <underdog5004> uh...yeah it is... Windows Media Video
[09:15] <flaccid> i meant you can't get rid of drm
[09:15] <dwidmann> underdog5004: flaccid was probably saying no to crazy_bus's question
[09:15] <intelikey> what's this?  www.wma-convert.com
[09:15] <intelikey> never mind.
[09:15] <underdog5004> ah
[09:15] <flaccid> you still need the drm key
[09:15] <flaccid> yeah
[09:16] <intelikey> yeah   and if you can play it you can rip it....
[09:16] <crazy_bus> and that's wma.  I need to play a wmv file
[09:16] <intelikey> it was about drm not wm*
[09:18] <underdog5004> intelikey, yeah, you're right...I can play wm* w/ mplayer...
[09:18] <crazy_bus> Silly website.  They talk about being a non-profit organisation to promote learning, yet linux users can't access their files :(
[09:18] <flaccid> same shit different smell
[09:18] <flaccid> well 1 is audio 1 is vid
[09:19] <darthdual> Is ntfs support in linux still "HOLY SHIT DO NOT ENABLE WRITING"?
[09:19] <intelikey> different fecal different oder    same unsanatary condition
[09:19] <dwidmann> Speaking of things, in Feisty, all players in the repos should be able to handle wmv
[09:19] <dwidmann> darthdual: pretty much
[09:21] <intelikey> heh    http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/drm.html
[09:21] <Nuscly> darthdual: if you use ntfs-3g is ok now
[09:21] <intelikey> !worksforme
[09:21] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:22] <intelikey> !ntfs
[09:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[09:23] <crazy_bus> I wrote an email to the website complaining.  They'll probably ingnor it but who knows? :)
[09:29] <PiNE> adept manager keeps telling me that i can't make any changes because another program running... but no other adept/apt-get programs are running. how would i fix this?
[09:30] <Jucato> !adept crash fix | PiNE
[09:30] <ubotu> PiNE: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:31] <PiNE> i'll give that a try Jucato. thanks.
[09:31] <matze> !ntfs-3g
[09:31] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[09:32] <underdog5004> "Windows [n.] 
[09:32] <underdog5004>  A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition."
[09:32] <underdog5004>  (Anonymous USEnet post)
[09:32] <underdog5004> just thought I'd throw that in there
[09:33] <intelikey> (:
[09:33] <underdog5004> sorry for the off-topic-ness
[09:34] <dwidmann> that's alright underdog5004, it's random chatter that keeps me awake
[09:34] <underdog5004> awesome
[09:37] <matze> !nvidia
[09:37] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:38] <kolla> sudo nvidia-xconfig ... segmentation fault  sudo nvidia-xconfig  :)
[09:38] <kolla> my nvidia is too new I guess :)
[09:39] <dwidmann> !nvidia9 | kolla
[09:39] <ubotu> kolla: For Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft), you can obtain the (unsupported!) 9746 version of the binary NVidia drivers by using this repository: deb http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/ubuntu edgy stable
[09:40] <kolla> I have a strange problem with konsole... first shell shows up as it shall with transparent background, but the following shell tabs within the same konsole window will not be transparent
[09:40] <kolla> well, this was also 6.06
[09:40] <kolla> but.. never mind that :)
[09:41] <dwidmann> !envy
[09:41] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[09:41] <dwidmann> then
[09:41] <emonkey> !nvidia
[09:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:41] <kolla> already got nvidia drivers installed, just wante to point out that nvidia-xconfig crashes
[09:42] <dwidmann> kolla, go to settings -> configure -> session. Select shell, change the schema to the one you want to use (ie; transparent konsole)
[09:42] <vikrant> hey guys im back
[09:42] <dwidmann> welcome back
[09:42] <vikrant> thanks
[09:43] <tahlvin> Hello!
[09:43] <vikrant> does anyone know anything abt this new mandriva windoe mgr thas supposed to have some gr8 effects?
[09:43] <vikrant> *window
[09:44] <kolla> dwidmann: already done, it's not about that.
[09:44] <kolla> to me it seems like a bug
[09:44] <intelikey> vikrant beryl ?
[09:44] <manchicken> Anybody know if it's possible to run a composite WM with composite extensions disabled?  I'm betting "no"
[09:45] <manchicken> intelikey: Mandriva is supposed to have their own new thing these days.
[09:45] <vikrant> ni mitesse or something
[09:45] <dwidmann> kolla: sometimes it's a bit funny about it if you mess with the profiles
[09:45] <intelikey> manchicken oh really....   hmmmm ?
[09:45] <tahlvin> Does anybody know which is better, kchat or konversation?
[09:45] <dwidmann> I dunno anything about mandriva having a new wm
[09:45] <vikrant> manchicken>
[09:45] <kolla> I'll try setting konsole up from start again... bbl
[09:45] <manchicken> ?
[09:46] <vikrant> sorry manchicken
[09:46] <intelikey> tahlvin better is subjective and only relevent to the person making the choice.   use the one you like.
[09:46] <manchicken> http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse
[09:46] <intelikey> !irc
[09:46] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[09:46] <vikrant> check the link that manchicken gave great stuff but not beryl
[09:47] <manchicken> Except that none of that stuff seems to work with composite extensions disabled.
[09:47] <tahlvin> intelikely and ubotu: Thanks, I'll try them both out.
[09:47] <dwidmann> sorry, but matisse looks atm, no like it would be on the same plane of uselessness as lg3d
[09:47] <dwidmann> **atm, like it ...
[09:48] <korgano> hi there, does anybody know a command to list all available screen resolutions supported by the current graphics driver? tia
[09:48] <PiNE> when i try to install sun java i get stuck in the license window-- how do i get around/out of it?
[09:48] <manchicken> PiNE: Install it in the CLI
[09:48] <Jucato> PiNE: close Adept then install Java from the command line...
[09:48] <dwidmann> PiNE, scroll all the way to the bottom
[09:48] <intelikey> hmmmm not a bad link for beginners to kinda get a handle on cli   http://ss64.com/bash/index.html
[09:49] <Jucato> manchicken: are you also working on that CLI thing for Adept?
[09:49] <manchicken> Jucato: I think Riddell was taking care of that one.  I think he said it was an ICE authentication issue.
[09:50] <Jucato> manchicken: the one where you can't accept/reject license agreements? ah ok :)
[09:50] <Jucato> hail the mighty Riddell!! ph34r his p0w3rz :)
[09:50] <manchicken> Jucato: I'm retarded about the ICE stuff.
[09:51] <manchicken> Jucato: Are you on devel?
[09:51] <manchicken> kubuntu-devel mailing list
[09:51] <intelikey> someons should post a copy of the info on http://ss64.com/bash/index.html  on the wiki for CLI
[09:51] <vikrant> dwidmann which do u think is the best distro for someone who is starting new in linux?
[09:51] <Jucato> manchicken: yep
[09:51] <intelikey> !wiki
[09:51] <ubotu> wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[09:51] <manchicken> Jucato: What sort of bug work are you doing?
[09:52] <dwidmann> vikrant: depends on the user I guess ... I started with Mandrake
[09:52] <intelikey> Jucato add a wiki page  and paste the text of http://ss64.com/bash/index.html into it.
[09:52] <Jucato> manchicken: well, actually just bug hunting/triaging... an annoying kicker bug that happens often but can't be consistently/systematically reproduced
[09:52] <tahlvin> bash.org made irc look much more fun than this...
[09:53] <dwidmann> vikrant: why not try this? http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php
[09:53] <vikrant> dwidmann oh well i am using ubuntu edgy with beryl and kde and i just love it just went go from the first moment
[09:53] <intelikey> tahlvin maybe you are in the wrong channel.  or on the wrong network even....
[09:53] <manchicken> Jucato: If you get around to it, could you look at the new adept changes?  Someone just mentioned a bug... I'm worried I may be introducing more than just that one.
[09:53] <vikrant> dwidmann thx
[09:53] <Jucato> manchicken: if I could, unfortuntely my system is less than ideal for testing Kubuntu... which I might have to fix in a few days...
[09:53] <PiNE> thanks... the command line worked. for some reason adept was stuck and wouldn't scroll.
[09:53] <manchicken> That's cool.
[09:53] <manchicken> ^_^
[09:53] <manchicken> No hurry.
[09:54] <manchicken> Feisty's a little while away still ;)
[09:54] <dwidmann> indeed it is ...
[09:54] <Jucato> manchicken: oh, but feature freeze is in 15 days
[09:54] <manchicken> Ah.
[09:55] <manchicken> So that means I should crunch in more features and pay attention to bugs after feature freeze ;)
[09:55] <dwidmann> hahahaha
[09:55] <Jucato> manchicken: yep
[09:55] <Jucato> which means I better learn to package ASAP....
[09:55] <manchicken> I finally got that tooltip thing fixed.
[09:56] <manchicken> I was creating a brand new tooltip object for each package found by adept.
[09:56] <manchicken> That was really hurting performance.
[09:57] <dwidmann> lets see, 20,000 objects? Sure, that might do the trick
[09:57] <bxnp> lol
[09:57] <bxnp> http://www.postproductie.nl/?p=10#respond buying windows vista :)
[09:57] <manchicken> Yeah.
[09:57] <manchicken> That was a bad idea ^_^
[09:58] <manchicken> It's amazing what dumb things you do when you're not paying attention ;)
[09:58] <vikrant> dwidmann i went thru it and it gives me kubuntu, mepis, pclinuxos and mandriva which of these do u think is the best?
[09:58] <bxnp> click on the picture for the full picture
[09:58] <dwidmann> vikrant: I'm biased
[09:58] <manchicken> I still really would like to get this stupid composite window manager thing going
[09:58] <dwidmann> Afterall, we _are_ sitting in #kubuntu :)
[09:59] <vikrant> dwidmann: biases are good, they indicate humanity
[09:59] <vikrant> dwidmann: what about the 2nd best then?
[09:59] <dwidmann> I've never tried  mepis or pclinuxos ... and I haven't run mandriva in 2 years, but I kind of liked it when I ran it
[10:00] <vikrant> bxnp: lol
[10:00] <vikrant> dwidmann: ok thanks man
[10:01] <bxnp> yeah that was funny
[10:01] <vikrant> any one here has used PC linux OS or Mandriva or Mepis recently?
[10:01] <dwidmann> last time I checked (~2 years ago), the biggest thing hurting Mandrake was ease of update-ability. apt owns my soul.
[10:01] <manchicken> Anybody here gotten composite stuff to work on ATI 200M?
[10:01] <dwidmann> (which is funny, because I don't belileve such things as souls to exist, but it owns it anyway)
[10:01] <vikrant> dwidmann: i agree, apt rules man
[10:01] <d0uglas> my runit stuff is all messed up, something to do with /etc/inittab .. can't reinstall/reconfig it, any ideas?
[10:02] <vikrant> bxnp: have u used vista urself?
[10:03] <bxnp> nope, vikrant i dont run windows, i run linux and i am happy with it, but it looks great i must admit
[10:03] <manchicken> A couple folks at work are running vista.
[10:03] <manchicken> Slow as all crap.
[10:04] <vikrant> bxnp: i bought vista for my lil sis, well they sold me a 5 licence ultimate and i think its no better than xp
[10:04] <bxnp> ehm but it looks better
[10:04] <manchicken> Not $400 better.
[10:05] <vikrant> bxnp: nope there is something called the vista transformation pack available for download at download.com that changes ur xp to look like vista and its free.....
[10:05] <vikrant> manchicken: i agree its not 400$ better man
[10:05] <manchicken> It's not using proprietary software better.
[10:05] <manchicken> It certainly isn't using windows better ;)
[10:06] <vikrant> manchicken: try using the vista trans pack if u use windows
[10:06] <vikrant> manchicken: i agree
[10:06] <manchicken> vikrant: Unless work upgrades the windows laptop they force me to use, I won't be using it.
[10:06] <manchicken> I won't buy it, I won't install it on any of my computers, and I certainly won't pay attention to their unethical EULA.
[10:07] <manchicken> Jucato: Thanks.  I'm done now.
[10:07] <vikrant> manchicken: oh ok maybe u should convince ur work guys to use ubuntu
[10:07] <dwidmann> There's a deny option on their EULA for a reason ...
[10:07] <manchicken> vikrant: I'm working on it ^_^
[10:07] <vikrant> manchicken: i had a tough time doing that myself but my boss and the whole team that works with me are now using ubuntu
[10:07] <manchicken> dwidmann: You're assuming that the one clicking that "accept" button is the same person using it ;)
[10:08] <dwidmann> manchicken: sure, why not
[10:08] <vikrant> manchicken: and they cant stop talking about it since they saw what beryl can do
[10:08] <manchicken> dwidmann: And that unjust document should be used for printing on toilet tissue, nothing more.
[10:08] <dwidmann> vikrant, so I'm guessing beryl wins the eye candy game then?
[10:09] <manchicken> When it works ;)
[10:09] <dwidmann> manchicken: I don't know, I certainly wouldn't want Microft's dirt on my behind.
[10:10] <Jucato> oops... I shouldn't have said that...
[10:10] <manchicken> Jucato: Anybody who doesn't know my opinions on proprietary software by now has simply not been paying attention.
[10:10] <Jucato> or they haven't met you yet... and gotten tired of the topic :P
[10:10] <Jucato> or they haven't seen my !offtopic calls :)
[10:10] <manchicken> Jucato: People will argue that they should be able to use the software, but I haven't found a single person who thought it was a GOOD thing that they were being restricted ;)
[10:11] <Jucato> manchicken: now, you're the one who hasn't been paying much attention :P
[10:11] <vikrant> manchicken: yeah man beryl beats aero hands down
[10:11] <manchicken> Jucato: Or maybe I've just stubbornly ignored it when people enjoy their lack of freedom ^_^
[10:11] <Jucato> yeah, that too :)
[10:12] <dwidmann> vikrant: good to know, also nice to know that it has lower hardware requirements :)
[10:12] <vikrant> manchicken: its helped me get more chicks than my bike man
[10:12] <manchicken> DEATH to this stupid ATI crap.
[10:12] <Forge> ATI? hmmm ... whats wrong/
[10:13] <manchicken> The 200M with fglrx won't let me use a composite WM.
[10:13] <dwidmann> Probably a certain lack of quality drivers, Forge
[10:13] <GodFinger> jebulis
[10:13] <manchicken> intelikey: I do need to catch up on my reading.
[10:14] <kraut> moin
[10:14] <intelikey> dwidmann have you ever stopped to consider the affects that would have ?
[10:14] <vikrant> *vikrant thinks maybe intelikey is right
[10:15] <dwidmann> intelikey, yes, I have, it would mean I would be a true hermit devoid of other forseeable human contact o.O
[10:15] <vikrant> *vikrant chases intelikey with a club
[10:15] <intelikey> karskasm is one thing but that's just scarry
[10:16] <intelikey> it would mean deaths in the billions.
[10:16] <intelikey> for one thing.
[10:16] <vikrant> intelikey: i agree
[10:16] <dwidmann> intelikey, two words, computer withdrawl
[10:17] <intelikey> it's not the computer i'd miss.   it's the idiots on the other end ot it....
[10:17] <vikrant> intelikey: maybe it will also mean back to the loving arms of mother nature
[10:17] <graniti> hi. is there a command (or a program to download) which launchs a popup with a given msg?
[10:17] <dwidmann> kdialog --msgbox "message goes here"
[10:17] <intelikey> kget ?
[10:17] <intelikey> oh wasn't seperating the () out of the Q
[10:18] <intelikey> yeah xmsg or kdialog
[10:18] <intelikey> xmessage that is
[10:19] <manchicken> It looks like a lot of folks have had no trouble getting composite WMs working on 200M cards, but I can't reproduce their results.
[10:19] <premier_> has anyone here ever heard of having a movie as a background in linux?  Apperantly Vista can do that, so I was just curious
[10:20] <dwidmann> I recall doing it with an animated gif before, wanna talk about annoying, yes, dozens of a small tiled animated gif, enough to drive a person mad.
[10:21] <premier_> yeah, it seems like a dumb idea, but a smoothly animated background movie can be nice.  I probably wouldnt want it, but hey...
[10:22] <dwidmann> might be able to have kde draw with a different application, maybe it would support drawing something dynamic like that
[10:23] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, are you using the fglrx driver?
[10:23] <manchicken> DarkMageZ: Yeah.
[10:23] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, fglrx driver cannot use composite
[10:23] <manchicken> So how do ATI people use Beryl?
[10:23] <manchicken> Or do they?
[10:24] <Jucato> !beryl | manchicken
[10:24] <intelikey> that sounds like a "resource hog" way to do things.   play a movie as the wallpaper ....
[10:24] <ubotu> manchicken: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[10:24] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, using the opensource ati driver :)
[10:24] <kolla> I assume it is quite normal that dist-upgrade from dapper to edgy fails?
[10:24] <manchicken> The radeon driver?
[10:24] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, or they use xgl... which is a dirty hack
[10:24] <intelikey> kolla yeah
[10:24] <Jucato> manchicken: wierdly enough, the opensource ATI driver works better than the closed source one
[10:24] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, well, i use the ati driver. others might use the radeon
[10:24] <manchicken> I am using xgl... but it won't work with composite still.
[10:24] <manchicken> Jucato: They claim it doesn't support the 200m
[10:24] <Jucato> oh.
[10:25] <manchicken> The radeon one that is.
[10:25] <intelikey> !upgrade
[10:25] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:25] <vikrant> manchicken: dwidmann bxnp bye i gotta go, thanks for your time
[10:25] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, well, if the opensource drivers don't work for your card. then you have no choice but XGL & fglrx.
[10:25] <dwidmann> later vikrant
[10:25] <manchicken> So the only way I can get 3D accel is to use the proprietary drivers, and even with xgl I still can't get beryl to work.
[10:25] <manchicken> I'm currently using both of them at the same time.
[10:26] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, with a working xgl setup, you should beable to get beryl working.
[10:26] <manchicken> Weird....  I thought I'd told it to use XGL, it says it's still using /usr/bin/X
[10:26] <DarkMageZ> manchicken, i'd suggest poking around in #beryl
[10:26] <intelikey> you know.  i think i have two vidio cards in this box....
[10:27] <intelikey> hmmm forgot about tha.
[10:27] <intelikey> t
[10:27] <DarkMageZ> anyone know if there are packages for the kde4 katomic?
[10:27] <manchicken> How do I switch kdm to use xgl?
[10:27] <manchicken> I tried just changing it in kdmrc... but it doesn't seem to be working.
[10:28] <Jucato> manchicken: I think the /topic in #ubuntu-xgl has a guide
[10:30] <intelikey> mmmm this don't make sense.   in here /exec openvt -fc 3 didn't work but in tty2  openvt -fc 3  did work....
[10:32] <intelikey> Question;  am i the only one that runs bash commands in his irc client ?
[10:32] <DarkMageZ> intelikey, i've run into other people who do it as well.
[10:33] <intelikey> ok  just curious.
[10:33] <intelikey> george was curious.
[10:34] <intelikey> but the man with the big yellow name rescued george just in time.
[10:35] <firecrotch> I need to make a GRUB floppy from Windows, but I can't find anything about how to do it. I can only find how to make one from Linux
[10:36] <Jucato> !grub
[10:36] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:36] <Jucato> firecrotch: check in the GrubHowto pages
[10:36] <intelikey> firecrotch get rawwrite.exe  it works like dd and get a floppy image
[10:36] <manchicken> brb
[10:37] <firecrotch> Thanks
[10:40] <intelikey> Jucato i don't see anything on that about making a grub floppy from M$
[10:40] <Jucato> intelikey: oh from MS?
[10:40] <Jucato> dang I skipped that part...
 I need to make a GRUB floppy from Windows,<<<<
[10:41] <Jucato> yeah yeah... like I said, I skipped that part...
[10:41] <Jucato> :P
[10:41] <intelikey> i wouldn't rub your nose in it...... unless i got a chance too...
[10:41] <intelikey> :)
[10:41] <firecrotch> now now children...
[10:42] <Jucato> :)
[10:42] <firecrotch> It doesn't matter anyways... the person I was trying to help quit responding
[10:42] <intelikey> but rawwrite.exe and a floppy.img of a grub disk will do what you want firecrotch
[10:43] <intelikey> i have done that before.   long time ago.
[10:43] <intelikey> when linux was young  and the world was new.
[10:44] <intelikey> i've got that too.   it's a shame grub can't boot my system.
[10:45] <firecrotch> intelikey: grub won't work on your system? Why?
[10:45] <intelikey> no partitions
[10:45] <firecrotch> intelikey: Okay, you've officially confused me.
[10:46] <Jucato> intelikey is known to do that
[10:46] <intelikey> it seems that grub depends on bios to read the kernel.  bios can't boot a hard disk without any partitions.
[10:46] <firecrotch> Not that hat is particularly difficult at this time of night (4 am)
[10:46] <firecrotch> Then partition your hard drive?
[10:46] <intelikey> no.
[10:47] <intelikey> that would mean a reinstall
[10:47] <firecrotch> Then you have at least one partition...
[10:47] <intelikey> which i haven't done sense hoary
[10:47] <intelikey> no
[10:47] <intelikey> i have 0 partitions on hda
[10:47] <firecrotch> impossible.
[10:48] <intelikey> remember it's 4am and you "think" you know something.  don't make a fool of your self.
[10:48] <DarkMageZ> remember, it's only 4am in some part of the world.
[10:48] <firecrotch> Then explain to me how you have no partitions at all
[10:49] <waylandbill> it's possible to have no partitions.
[10:49] <intelikey> firecrotch a aprtition is not needed for linux.  only an fs.  mke2fs /dev/hda  and viola you have an fs.
[10:50] <firecrotch> Yeah... like I said... 4am here
[10:50] <intelikey> you mount /dev/hda as /  and there you have it.   simple really.   but grub can't boot that.  you have to use lilo or simular
[10:51] <firecrotch> Why would you set things up like that though? Just to be different?
[10:52] <DarkMageZ> intelikey, file a bug against grub
[10:52] <intelikey> that means it requires special installation steps because *buntu defaults to grub   and  default *buntu wont install on hda so the install is tricky.
[10:52] <intelikey> DarkMageZ it's not really grub.  it's bios  grub uses bios to access the files.
[10:52] <intelikey> lilo doesn't
[10:53] <intelikey> firecrotch yeah that excuse is as good as any.
[10:54] <waylandbill> well. usually it's going to be partitioned if you intend to have a swap parition on the same drive.
[10:55] <intelikey> i have also set up an hd with 2 file systems on it and only one partition.   that's really tricky.
[10:55] <intelikey> waylandbill yeah but i don't use swap.
[10:55] <intelikey> i have 256m of ram why would i want swap ?
[10:55] <DarkMageZ> intelikey, how do you not fill 256mb of ram?
[10:56] <intelikey> it's not a problem.  unless i start editing large pictures
[10:56] <waylandbill> I didn't say you did, but KDE under 256MB of ram? that'll swap for sure.
[10:56] <intelikey> waylandbill kde is running as we speek
[10:57] <intelikey> -/+ buffers/cache:         50        198
[10:57] <intelikey> looks like i have plenty of free ram....
[10:57] <firecrotch> How?!
[10:57] <intelikey> and i have ran kde on another box with 64m ram and no swap.
[10:58] <waylandbill> I have kdevelop, thunderbird, qt assistant, gaim and a few others and 512 is almost gone.
[10:58] <intelikey> but that was hoary not dapper.  dapper might eat a little more ram... idk
[10:59] <intelikey> waylandbill do free -m  and paste the  -/+ line   like i did  ^
[10:59] <waylandbill> oh yeah.. there's 71 of buffers. :-D
[10:59] <waylandbill> -/+ buffers/cache:        187        251
[11:00] <intelikey> so you are using 187m of ram.
[11:00] <firecrotch> -/+ buffers/cache:        340        400
[11:00] <intelikey> firecrotch gimp running ?  or movie playing ?
[11:01] <firecrotch> Berly, Apache, MySQL (rewriting some code for my site)
[11:01] <firecrotch> *Beryl
[11:01] <waylandbill> well.. that's interesting... I don't have any swap...
[11:01] <intelikey> waylandbill also of note you are only showing 256m of total ram there.
[11:01] <waylandbill> there's 512 in here
 -/+ buffers/cache:        187        251
[11:02] <intelikey> that's all i have to go on
[11:02] <intelikey> oh wait.
[11:02] <waylandbill> Mem:    449520k total,   442572k used,     6948k free,    72544k buffers
[11:02] <intelikey> yes i see what i did.   my bad.
[11:02] <waylandbill> :)
[11:02] <intelikey> it's 450 not 250
[11:03] <Lynoure> In Amarok Mark as listened  in the podcast handling always seems to stay greyed out. Is it a bug or not implemented yet?
[11:03] <waylandbill> but in this exercise I found a problem..
[11:03] <waylandbill> swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/c18ca1f4-56ef-4a95-bf69-bad5ecb7bde3: No such file or directory
[11:03] <dbglt_> is there any reason why my kcontrol is... empty?
[11:03] <dbglt_> ...
[11:03] <dbglt_> just did a new install, and nothing to configure in kcontrol
[11:04] <waylandbill> how can I locate the UUID's of my disk partitions?
[11:04] <intelikey> waylandbill blkid | grep c18ca1f4-56ef-4a95-bf69-bad5ecb7bde3
[11:05] <waylandbill> nothin... which would back up the fact that swapon didn't find it. :-D
[11:05] <intelikey> well actually the answer to your Q is   blkid   but the grep was to see if it was the correct id.
[11:05] <intelikey> correct.
[11:05] <waylandbill> I did blkid and the fstab is showing /dev/hda5, but blkid says it should be /dev/hda3 with a different UUID..
[11:06] <waylandbill> interesting.. I guess I'll change that right now.
[11:06] <dbglt_> can anyone help me here? Just did a new install of kubuntu, and there was not the usual configure-kde wizard, and my kcontrol is empty
[11:06] <dbglt_> any idea what's going on?
[11:06] <Jucato> dbglt_: is this Edgy or Feisty?
[11:06] <dbglt_> Jucato: feisty
[11:06] <Jucato> dbglt_: known bug
[11:06] <dbglt_> Jucato: workaround?
[11:07] <Jucato> also, Kubuntu doesn't have KPersonalizer by default
[11:07] <Jucato> dbglt_: not sure. you could ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:07] <dbglt_> and... it isn't automounting my drives
[11:07] <Jucato> that's the place for Feisty questions/issues
[11:07] <dbglt_> what's kpersonalizer?
[11:07] <dbglt_> right.
[11:07] <flaccid> !kpersonalizer
[11:07] <ubotu> kpersonalizer: installation personalizer for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 484 kB, installed size 800 kB
[11:07] <Jucato> kpersonalizer = first run wizard you mentioned
[11:07] <dbglt_> ah right
[11:07] <flaccid> goddam americans. learn to spell
[11:08] <intelikey> waylandbill one other point.  you make a real good argument for my 'not using swap unless it's needed' case.    you have been running without any swap for who knows how long and never missed it.  and now you enable it and wont be able to tell it....
[11:08] <waylandbill> ok... but goddam isn't spelled like that. ;-)
[11:08] <Jucato> ??
[11:08] <flaccid> thats because goddam is slang
[11:09] <flaccid> personalize is not:)
[11:09] <waylandbill> intelikey: I was wondering why when I opened a gigantic API document for a class yesterday in firefox the system became unstable. :-)
[11:09] <flaccid> or should i say personalise
[11:09] <Jucato> depends on whose English
[11:09] <flaccid> ah you ran out of ram maybe waylandbill
[11:09] <waylandbill> I think so.
[11:09] <flaccid> british-english. the non fork of um english which came from england :)
[11:10] <waylandbill> I guess I use way less than I thought until I opened something that was super big. LOL!
[11:11] <intelikey> waylandbill hehhe not unstable really just OOMK doing it's job.  you overloaded the ram and the kernel did what it's supposed to.  it started killing thing that hadn't been accessed in a while.    i personaly role my own kernel and set OOMK to kill the last started string rather than the last accessed.
[11:12] <waylandbill> well... I got the swap back on and proved your point... all in less than 20 or so minutes. :-)
[11:12] <intelikey> lol
[11:12] <flaccid> hahahh they make swap for a reason i guess
[11:12] <intelikey> yeah.  for when you "NEED" it.   lol
[11:13] <waylandbill> I'm suprised loading map layers of the united states didn't cause trouble.. must be those use less ram than I figured as well.
[11:13] <dbglt_> how do I get the UUID of a partition? :\
[11:13] <intelikey> i do make a swap file from time to time if i am going to be doing something that needs more ram than i have.
[11:13] <intelikey> blkid
[11:14] <Jucato> !uuid | dbglt_
[11:14] <intelikey> dbglt_   blkid
[11:14] <ubotu> dbglt_: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[11:14] <dbglt_> for my windows drive all I get is TYPE=ntfs
[11:14] <intelikey> what are these special little A tags ?
[11:14] <intelikey>  A  A ?
[11:15] <intelikey>  /dev/hda: UUID="2e77dd68-8e6a-419b-a660-09b80e090aa9" TYPE="ext2"
[11:16] <intelikey> does anyone else get id's on drives ?
[11:17] <Jucato> huh?
[11:18] <intelikey> waylandbill the maps.... hmm i have some .tiff format maps. they take about 300m in gimp.   but government maps are full of data...  so...
[11:18] <intelikey> Jucato the drive not a partition.
[11:19] <intelikey> you don't have a uuid on drives do you ?
[11:19] <Jucato> let me check
[11:19] <Jucato> intelikey: um.. no...
[11:19] <Jucato> intelikey: maybe because you don't have partitions?
[11:20] <intelikey> see not having any partitions all my drives show a uuid.  i didn't know if that was normal or not.
[11:20] <intelikey> yeah.   it's probably the fs that contains the uuid.
[11:20] <intelikey> highly probable
[11:22] <intelikey> that was at you.       when did you become "myself"  ?
[11:22] <Jucato> oh... I never realized that...
[11:22] <Jucato> heh :)
[11:22] <dbglt_> how do I get knetworkmanager to start when kdm/kde does?
[11:23] <intelikey> !autostart | dbglt_
[11:23] <ubotu> dbglt_: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[11:30] <intelikey> hmmm that's odd.  i have    /dev/snd/   and   /dev/sound/   and they are both empty.     i know i remember populating one or both of those dirs some time back.
[11:31] <sploit> does anyone over here knows an application that does this: when you copy a file to a certain folder it automatically copies it to a backup folder to? just as simple as this
[11:31] <intelikey> but sound works... so i'm not concerned about it.
[11:31] <Jucato> sploit: might wan't to look into Keep
[11:31] <Jucato> or something like that
[11:32] <sploit> nothing more simpler?
[11:32] <sploit> I'll give it a try
[11:32] <intelikey> a function maybe.
[11:32] <sploit> what do you mean whith a function?
[11:32] <dbglt_> does kde/konq support graphical ssh ?
[11:33] <dbglt_> I have an ssh server setup, and I want to copy some files to my local disk
[11:33] <dbglt_> is there a nice graphical way to do this?
[11:33] <Jucato> dbglt_: fish:/ or ssh:/ ? not really sure
[11:33] <dbglt_> ssh just opens up a terminal
[11:33] <dwidmann> D***, I'm in an ugly situation right now.
[11:33] <intelikey> making the cp command use a function   but i'm not sure how i would implement it anyway so disreguard it sploit
[11:34] <mauro> does anyone know what kernel feisty will ship with ?
[11:34] <sploit> 2.6.20
[11:34] <sploit> and 2.6.17
[11:34] <sploit> if I'm correct
[11:34] <mauro> ok
[11:34] <kolla> why both?
[11:34] <dwidmann> unless 2.6.21 comes out within the next two weeks anyway
[11:35] <sploit> no idea, but I had a look in the repository, and it contained both
[11:35] <intelikey> two kernels ?     *buntu hasn't done that yet have they ?
[11:35] <mauro> i like reading the kernel changelogs, because i dont know about what theyre talking aobut half of hte times :P
[11:35] <Jucato> !info linux-image fesity
[11:35] <ubotu> Package linux-image does not exist in edgy
[11:35] <Jucato> bah
[11:35] <intelikey> yeah the repos will have plenty kernels  but that's no indication what it will ship with.
[11:36] <dwidmann> herd 2 has it installing 2.6.20 per default anyway
[11:36] <Jucato> at least not until feature freeze
[11:36] <sploit> than I hope they ship >= 2.6.18
[11:36] <intelikey> 20 sounds right.
[11:36] <intelikey> especally if it's buggy.....
[11:36] <sploit> cause I went trough a big big hasstle getting it installed on my mobo with jmicron chipset
[11:36] <Jucato> !info linux-image-generic feisty
[11:36] <intelikey> (:
[11:36] <ubotu> linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.20.5.1 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 52 kB
[11:37] <soulrider> thanks Jucato :)
[11:38] <dwidmann> ii  linux-image-2.6.20-5-generic              2.6.20-5.7
[11:38] <dwidmann> and it's the only kernel listed, at all, so that says something, I think
[11:38] <soulrider> i think im using a rather old kernel..
[11:38] <soulrider> 2.6.17-10
[11:39] <intelikey> dwidmann not really.
[11:39] <Jucato> edgy's kernel
[11:39] <soulrider> yeah....
[11:39] <dwidmann> I agree, I just ran an apt-cache search in feisty, and 2.6.17 is listed. I wonder why.
[11:39] <soulrider> i wish they ahd updated it...
[11:39] <soulrider> !schedule
[11:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu uses a strict timetable for releases, which means that sometimes newly released programs miss the timetable. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases for more. Feisty Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule
[11:39] <eeos> hi everybody
[11:40] <soulrider> hi eeos
[11:40] <intelikey> dwidmann in dapper the list on   apt-cache search linux-image is three pages
[11:40] <soulrider> yay, tomorrow were getting the herd 3 CD
[11:40] <sploit> hi
[11:40] <dwidmann> intelikey: that's kind of funny
[11:41] <dwidmann> !paste
[11:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:41] <intelikey> dwidmann also   apt-cache search kernel-image lists lots... and kernel-image means 2.4.* kernels
[11:42] <dwidmann> kernel-image was the debian naming scheme I believe ...
[11:43] <intelikey> dwidmann i don't think so.  kernel-image is any 2.4 kernel and linux-image is any 2.6 kernel  in both debian and ubuntu   isn't it... ?
[11:43] <kolla> upgraded to edgy and kde-3.5.6 but I still cant "transparency" in konsole to work for more than just the initial tab
[11:43] <dwidmann> You appear to be spamming the pastebin. I hate spammers so I won't let you. If you're not attempting to spam, please enable javascript so you can pass the antispam check
[11:43] <dwidmann> piece of crap pastebin
[11:44] <intelikey> dwidmann try pastebin.ca  it works.
[11:44] <dwidmann> so does pastebin.com, but that's besides the point ...
[11:44] <intelikey> dwidmann i get the same puke from the ubuntu pastebin...
[11:45] <intelikey> shall we spam the channels until they fix the "You appear to be spamming the pastebin." bug ???
[11:45] <dwidmann> http://pastebin.ca/334097
[11:46] <dwidmann> intelikey: you can if you want
[11:46] <intelikey> (:
[11:47] <dwidmann> come to think of it, I missed something
[11:48] <dwidmann> http://pastebin.ca/334100
[11:48] <dwidmann> there we go
[11:51] <intelikey> heh  grep --invert --ignore-case  == grep -vi
[11:51] <flaccid> wtf, you need javascript to post
[11:51] <flaccid> lots of spammer wrappers for that
[11:51] <flaccid> i guess you need to put in more effort
[11:52] <dwidmann> I have javascript.
[11:52] <intelikey> flaccid that's not the problem.  the ubuntu pastebin doesn't like cli browsers
[11:52] <dwidmann> It apparently doesn't like Opera either.
 I have javascript. << me too
[11:52] <intelikey> isn't opera a cli browser     lol
[11:53] <Jucato> lol
[11:53] <dwidmann> lol
[11:53] <intelikey> well anyway...
[11:53] <intelikey> break   rounds.
[11:53] <intelikey> back when.
[11:54] <ni33> KCrash: Application 'kate' crashing...
[11:54] <ni33> Warning: connect() failed: : No such file or directory
[11:54] <ni33> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[11:54] <ni33> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[11:54] <ni33> Xlib: No protocol specified
[11:54] <dwidmann> It seems like the kubuntu.org repo for kde3.5.6 isn't like the 64-bit arch very much :\
[11:54] <ni33> ?
[11:55] <dwidmann> ni33, I'm talking to myself, out loud, don't listen to me
[11:55] <flaccid> its actually a huge problem, intelikey
[11:55] <ni33> ..
[11:55] <flaccid> and opera is the best desktop browser, not cli
[11:55] <flaccid> i guess he left ah well
[11:56] <flaccid> web accessibility is important
[11:56] <dwidmann> ni33: in which way did you try to start kate anyway?, hopefully  you won't say sudo
[12:00] <sploit> whats the problem with sudo
[12:00] <sploit> works perfectly for me
[12:00] <Jucato> !kdesu
[12:00] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:00] <sploit>  does exactly the same as kdesu
[12:00] <dwidmann> sudo + kate in ubuntu before edgy = crash
[12:00] <flaccid> no it doesnt
[12:00] <flaccid> sudo != kdesu
[12:00] <dwidmann> (or worded better, in kde before 3.5.5)
[12:01] <flaccid> sudo is for cli not gui
[12:01] <sploit> me never mind, I haven't had any problems with it so why arguing
[12:01] <Jucato> !worskforme
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worskforme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <Jucato> !worksforme
[12:01] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[12:01] <Jucato> bah...not really applicable
[12:01] <Jucato> hmph
[12:02] <dwidmann> doesn't matter anyway, ni33 left
[12:02] <flaccid> sploit: because one day you will have the problem and complain
[12:02] <sploit> ^^
[12:02] <flaccid> quit applicable
[12:02] <flaccid> +e
[12:02] <Jucato> except for the last sentence
[12:02] <flaccid> true
[12:02] <dwidmann> Anyway, the kubuntu.org + kde 3.5.6 + amd64 = broken :(
[12:07] <kolla> stability is over-rated :)
[12:08] <vlt> Hello. On a Xubuntu Edgy system I just installed the pkg "kubuntu-desktop". How can I start it? It is not shown in login screen's session menu.
[12:09] <Jucato> vlt: did you check for KDE in the session menu?
[12:11] <vlt> Jucato: No "KDE" in there. Only "Last", "Xfce", "Default" (runs Xfce), "Failsafe Gnome", "Failsafe Terminal" ...
[12:11] <Jucato> maybe the installation of kubuntu-desktop wasn't completely finished?
[12:11] <Jucato> try installing it again
[12:12] <flaccid> did you restart the x server?
[12:12] <kolla> flaccid: or rather "did you restart the session managed"? :)
[12:12] <kolla> manager
[12:13] <flaccid> wtf
[12:13] <flaccid> which session manager are you referring to here
[12:13] <flaccid> i'm talking about restarting kdm
[12:14] <flaccid> which afaik is done when you restart the xserver from the kdm menu
[12:14] <flaccid> you restart both ?
[12:14] <dwidmann> vlt, hit ctrl+alt+bksp and see if it's an option
[12:15] <dwidmann> (an option, after the ctrl+alt+bksp, that is)
[12:15] <flaccid> never hit ctrl + alt + bksp unless your X is crashed
[12:15] <dwidmann> why not? I do it often enough
[12:15] <flaccid> it sends a kill signal
[12:15] <dwidmann> so long as I haven't anything valuable undone
[12:16] <flaccid> bye bye unsaved information and some programs need to be shutdown properly
[12:16] <flaccid> well no. if a program needs to do something before it is killed, that thing wont be done
[12:16] <flaccid> you could also end up with things like drone pids etc.
[12:16] <flaccid> always do things clean unless forced
[12:17] <dwidmann> Forcably closing X doesn't cause the real trouble, holding in the power button for 4s does.
[12:17] <flaccid> incorrect
[12:17] <flaccid> and this has nothing to do with ATX..
[12:18] <dwidmann> when RAID is involved, yes, that's where real hell can break loose.
[12:19] <flaccid> um why are we talking about raid?
[12:19] <dwidmann> Random conversations happen when people have been awake for absurd amounts of time
[12:20] <flaccid> on any computer it should be shutdown correctly, halt
[12:20] <iidadmin> hep me pls using gyache?
[12:20] <iidadmin> im currenlt testing it
[12:21] <dwidmann> flaccid, I arrived at that point in the conversation with memories of when my striped array corrupted after an improper shutdown (which wasn't my fault :\)
[12:21] <flaccid> true
[12:23] <zutgorak> whew ... finally got the network rolling .. sorta
[12:23] <zutgorak> now all i need to do is find out how to get the wifi working
[12:25] <zutgorak> anyone of you guys/gals care to give a new user a hand in getting kubuntu to reckognize a wifi adapter?
[12:25] <flaccid> !wireless
[12:25] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:25] <zutgorak> perfect
[12:25] <zutgorak> lets see if im intelligent enough to get the information i need from there :-)
[12:32] <lenscape_> how does firefox manage to use most of the memory on this 2GB system?
[12:32] <sploit> lol
[12:32] <flaccid> haha
[12:33] <lenscape_> I have to quit it every couple of days just to get some memory back
[12:33] <sploit> what version of ff you use?
[12:33] <Lynoure> lenscape_: Easily, if you go for 40 or so tabs, in my experience. I have not looked into the reasons, though.
[12:33] <flaccid> memory leak of some sort
[12:33] <lenscape_> sploit: 2.0.0.1
[12:41] <RogueThunder> Lenscape: Ive noticed firefox 2.X uses ALOT more system ram than 1.5, although some may think it bad... i downgraded to 1.5, just couldnt stand it...
[12:42] <RogueThunder> Lenscape: Although, using more than 1gb is excessive even for 2.0 so yeah probobly a memory leak...
[12:46] <james> hi everyone
[12:46] <james> using ubuntu/mepis,,  What the Hell is going on with K3b ??? it refused to write to my DVR+R,, Demanded a DVD+-R, what linux DVD burner can write to DVD+R ???
[12:47] <Linux_Galore> ??
[12:47] <RogueThunder> Anyway, i had a question for anyone, with some level of ubuntu/kubuntu compitence... Ive got a program that demands libfontconfig1 2.4.0 or greater, and having already run update, it reports me as having 2.3.2-7ubuntu2, noting it was a special build(or atleast, so i would assume, since ubuntu is in its version name) i was wondering if it was safe to install libfontconfig1 2.4.2-1 i found in the debian packages area, or if there was prehaps a better
[12:47] <RogueThunder> >.< Sorry for the big read >.<
[12:48] <Linux_Galore> RogueThunder: there is always a chance that it will break if you install third part packages, thats all  can say
[12:49] <Linux_Galore> RogueThunder: what program are you trying to install
[12:50] <james> i have ubuntu on my computer but not in menu.1st, does it's cd burner burn DVD+R?? does anyone know??
[12:50] <RogueThunder> Linux_Galore: PCB, its a printed ciricut board layout tool, found on sourceforge.
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> james: I have no issues with k3b and my mixed bag of burners at work and home
[12:50] <RogueThunder> Linux_Galore: Im actualy trying to install a .deb of it, that someone was nice enough to make ^.^
[12:50] <Linux_Galore> RogueThunder: so your trying to compile it ?
[12:51] <Linux_Galore> RogueThunder: compile it, life will be easier then walking into the hell that is dependency circus
[12:51] <Linux_Galore> than*
[12:52] <james> Linux_Galore:  what other linux burners do you have??
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> james: well I have a few sony akai and Pioneer unit and a new liteone
[12:52] <Linux_Galore> units*
[12:53] <james> Linux_Galore: from ubuntu repositories
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> james: Pioneer seems to be the best all round
[12:53] <james> software
[12:53] <Linux_Galore> james: I just use k3b
[12:54] <flaccid> if you are having a problem burning, better to find out what the problem is than to keep trying different software and hardware
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: not always k3b has been known to have issues with set burners due to firmware quirks
[12:54] <bloodknight> If I want to switch from connecting to the internet via dhcp (a router) to direct (pppoe), what package should I reconfigure?
[12:54] <flaccid> Linux_Galore: k3b is just a frontend
[12:55] <flaccid> still you'd be changing without even knowing why
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: not anymore, it auto detects the parrameters of the burner, some times gets it wrong
[12:55] <flaccid> !ppp
[12:55] <ubotu> ppp: Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon. In component main, is standard. Version 2.4.4rel-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 320 kB, installed size 1016 kB
[12:55] <flaccid> there you go bloodknight
[12:56] <flaccid> Linux_Galore: so? its still a frontend. you don't know where the issues actually is...
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: k3b does have a bug list
[12:56] <flaccid> and have you confirmed that the problem is one of these bugs ??
[12:56] <bloodknight> flaccid,  does that switch how kubuntu connects to the internet? or if I reconfigure it, will it simply change my pppoe settings?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: ive been running 1.0rc4 lately because the stable has such a long bug list
[12:57] <flaccid> !dialup
[12:57] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DialupModemHowto
[12:57] <james> my burner works fine in XP, but I don't want to put a ext3 reader in XP because of the trojans, backdoors, viruses, exc. in XP, i am trying to get away from M$ but Linux software keeps letting me down!!!
[12:57] <flaccid> kubuntu doesn't connect to the internet. use system settings -> network to configure interfaces and the above howto for ppp
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> james: no your knowlege lets you donw
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> down*
[12:57] <james> my files to burn are on ext3
[12:57] <bloodknight> flaccid, no, broadband. pppoe.
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> james:  ?? you dont burn ext3
[12:58] <flaccid> well win32 binaries won't run on ext/linux so don't worry
[12:58] <flaccid> bloodknight: its the same thing
[12:58] <vlt> Jucato: I ran `aptitude install kubuntu-desktop` again and now gdm/kdm was updated. Thx.
[12:59] <flaccid> my advice always is to find the actual problem instead of assuming.
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> james: dvd's are a standardised device they dont have a normal file system as such
[12:59] <flaccid> !pppoe
[12:59] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[12:59] <flaccid> ah sorry that one will help you better, bloodknight
[01:00] <bloodknight> flaccid, thanks, that looks more hopeful
[01:00] <james> yes i don't of a burner program that works for me in linux, that is what i am trying to find out! you were a newbie once yourself
[01:00] <flaccid> cool
[01:00] <james> know*
[01:00] <flaccid> james: find out why k3b doesn't work. thats my point. #k3b
[01:01] <Linux_Galore> james: I would say check the parramters you have set in k3b, it its not working you have it set wrong
[01:01] <james> standard with system
[01:02] <flaccid> so can you cite the error at least in k3b ?
[01:02] <Linux_Galore> james: there is not such thing as "standard" with burners there all slightly different
[01:02] <larson9999> haven't had issues with k3b in years
[01:02] <james> i didn't set any parameters except speed
[01:03] <larson9999> james, it doesn't work ? what does that mean?
[01:03] <Linux_Galore> well ive got edgy and over 20 machines most with cd/dvd burners, no issues
[01:03] <flaccid> you != everyone else
[01:04] <flaccid> otherwise in theory there would not be very many problems and they would all be fixed for us at once :)
[01:04] <Linux_Galore> if i do get and issue its usuallu due to a unsuported format ie burner cant read or burn + or -
[01:04] <Linux_Galore> any*
[01:04] <james> k3b woun't burn my DVD+R, it demands a DVD+- R
[01:05] <Linux_Galore> james: is the dvd "actually a +R" version ?
[01:05] <flaccid> um no such thing as dvd+-r
[01:05] <flaccid> its one or the other :)
[01:05] <andreasw> hi how can I rotate pdfs in kpdf by 90
[01:05] <james> so what proggy is ubuntu or kubuntu usinG?
[01:05] <flaccid> ubuntu has thousands of programs :)
[01:06] <Linux_Galore> james: you do realise there are two types of DVD's and you have to have a matching burner or a multi mode
[01:06] <james> yes my disks are DVD+R and work fine with my burner in XP
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> james: is you burner a +R writer ?
[01:07] <warren_> hello
[01:07] <warren_> Does somebody know if you can play online with nfs most wanted's demo?
[01:07] <flaccid> james: so have you got that error message for me yet or are we still guessing?
[01:07] <james> it can write both as far as i know
[01:07] <Linux_Galore> james: tells me nothing, i can use xp to burn a dvd- with a +dvd, it works but your have a really crappy burn
[01:08] <james> what error message?
[01:08] <flaccid> whatever k3b says
[01:08] <flaccid> what is the behaviour. surely it just doesn't quit and says nothing?
[01:09] <james> my buner works great in XP !!!!
[01:09] <flaccid> no shit you've said that many time snow
[01:09] <flaccid> to fix a problem, you need to know the problem
[01:09] <flaccid> we don't know the problem until you give us the error
[01:10] <james> i ask what program ubuntu is using now and no one answered!
[01:10] <flaccid> i did
[01:10] <flaccid> [2007-01-31 23:06]  <flaccid> ubuntu has thousands of programs :)
[01:10] <flaccid> ive answered all your questions. why not answer mine ?
[01:11] <Linux_Galore> james: in k3b go settings->configure k3b,  click on the device icon
[01:12] <james> i know the problem, k3b is a crippled piece of shit for my system!
[01:12] <Linux_Galore> james: look to make sure Writes to DVD+R  has a "yes" next to it
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> james: then explain why i have over 20 systems that work fine
[01:13] <james> no one will tell me what kubuntu is using?? why not?
[01:13] <Linux_Galore> james: ??
[01:13] <flaccid> because we dont' understand your question
[01:13] <flaccid> kubuntu is using lots of stuff
[01:13] <Jucato> Kubuntu is using K3b for burning
[01:14] <Jucato> what *program* are you asking for?
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> james: click on the plugins section, it tells you
[01:14] <Linux_Galore> james: sorry  porgrams section
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> programs*
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> in k3b
[01:15] <Linux_Galore> james: it tells you everything its using
[01:15] <james> k3b is not what i ysed in the new kubuntu distro, never mind, we are going around in circles
[01:16] <Jucato> O.O
[01:16] <james> Thanks for your attemts at help
[01:16] <Jucato> Ubuntu uses Gnomebaker, Kubuntu uses K3b. Kubuntu has always used K3b for burning
[01:16] <Linux_Galore> james: k3b is just a front end to the back end command line utilities, if you look in the Setting->Configure K3b  then look in "Programs" it lists everything it uses
[01:18] <flaccid> hahahahahahahahahahahh
[01:18] <Linux_Galore> idiot
[01:18] <Jucato> hm...
[01:18] <flaccid> i guess we tried
[01:19] <flaccid> can someone invent a logical processor implant to go into women's brains
[01:19] <flaccid> that would sell like hot cakes to male partners
[01:19] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: i swear I have the most mixed bag of machines at work possible, zero issues if I stick to the media supported by that burner
[01:19] <flaccid> yeah it all comes down to finding the error. the user doesn't want to find the error or even listen. we are all wasting our time
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: I have a feeling he is mixing media, XP has got apps that work around it but Ive seen the crappy DVD's pass my way form people trying it
[01:20] <Linux_Galore> from*
[01:21] <flaccid> im not sure. i dont even burn much at all. i'm just concerned with finding the error. but hey you could be right on the money
[01:22] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: Ive got a burner in the laptop Im on and it wont burn +R,  hmm could it be because its a -R burner
[01:22] <flaccid> check the logo
[01:22] <flaccid> dif logos for dif support
[01:22] <flaccid> the super multi has a dif logo
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: I'm being facetious
[01:23] <flaccid> k3b could confirm that couldn't it. if it can't some binary can
[01:23] <flaccid> facetious does not come across on irc. it requires tone.
[01:23] <Linux_Galore> heh heh
[01:23] <flaccid> :)
[01:23] <flaccid> media shits me
[01:23] <flaccid> data loss shits me
[01:24] <flaccid> im way to lazy to burn or backup
[01:24] <flaccid> although i do backup
[01:24] <flaccid> eh
[01:24] <Linux_Galore> Im still pissed that dual layer dvd's cost so much and Ive had a dual layer burner now for 2 years
[01:24] <flaccid> the media costs alot ?
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: I use kbackup and a big USB2 hardisk
[01:25] <flaccid> i use shell scripts i made
[01:25] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: well a normal DVD+R costs me about 12c per disk or about 32c for a good brand, DVD dual layer cost me $4
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> per disk
[01:26] <flaccid> what country?
[01:26] <Linux_Galore> au
[01:26] <flaccid> heh thats where i am
[01:26] <flaccid> you can see how much media i buy...
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> you can get a cheap cual layer for $2.70
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> dual*
[01:27] <flaccid> thats alright
[01:27] <flaccid> blue ray will be awesome
[01:27] <Linux_Galore> but why bother, that like 10 good DVD's
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: blueray is still born, sony has banned the licensing of pr0n
[01:28] <flaccid> do you know how much fucking around that would be for a backup
[01:28] <flaccid> yeah the usual consortium wars
[01:28] <flaccid> i just choose to ignore them
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: the pr0n video industry is bigger than the kosher industry
[01:28] <flaccid> well yes
[01:28] <larson9999> kosher pr0n?
[01:28] <flaccid> over 80% of the net is pr0n so
[01:28] <Linux_Galore> flaccid: if you ban pr0n your killing the format
[01:29] <flaccid> kosher industry huh
[01:29] <larson9999> 80% of the net isn't pr0n
[01:29] <Linux_Galore> no, its spam
[01:29] <flaccid> larson9999: what is it then
[01:29] <flaccid> i remember reading a white paper..
[01:29] <flaccid> sorry im' talking http:/ not email
[01:30] <Linux_Galore> Sony banned pr0n on betamx too, that really did allot of good
[01:30] <Jucato> !offtopic
[01:30] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:30] <larson9999> there was a recent report that it's a lot smaller.  the report said that the men surveyed confirmed it was still plenty
[01:30] <flaccid> you really don't like that do you jucy
[01:31] <Jucato> nope
[01:31] <flaccid> larson9999: i actually heard the recent report which is after the white paper i know says its increased to more than 80%
[01:31] <flaccid> so yeah. but i can't be stuffed looking it up and we have to stop coz of jucy
[01:31] <Linux_Galore> Im betting blueray dies because sony is full of idiots who keep redoing histories mistakes
[01:31] <flaccid> :)
[01:32] <Jucato> you're more than welcome to continue the discussion in #kubuntu-offtopic, but keep it within the bounds of CoC too
[01:33] <mhk> does somebody know if i can use beryl on kde?
[01:34] <flaccid> !beryl > mhk
[01:34] <mhk> !beryl | mhk
[01:34] <ubotu> mhk: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[01:34] <mhk> flaccid don't see anything
[01:35] <Jucato> mhk: go to that website and that channel
[01:35] <mhk> ok -> moves further
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> mhk you can but its still unstable (beryl)
[01:36] <Linux_Galore> mhk wait for Feisty
[01:36] <Ayabara> I placed the ksysguard applet in my taskbar, but somehow I've managed to delete the Cpu view. any ideas how I can get it back??
[01:36] <flaccid> heh i thought that was what edgy was meant to be
[01:37] <flaccid> !support
[01:37] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[01:37] <flaccid> where can i read about what TLS actually is
[01:37] <Linux_Galore> Ayabara: ?? just add it back
[01:37] <pedro> Hi guys!
[01:37] <Jucato> Ayabara: if it's the sysguard applet, I think you can drag and drop from ksysguard to the applet
[01:37] <Ayabara> Linux_Galore, it's not the applet that's gone, but the part displaying CPU.
[01:38] <pedro> a short question: How can I know what channels are?
[01:38] <_StefanS_> pedro: /list
[01:38] <Linux_Galore> pedro:   /list
[01:38] <pedro> ok, thanks
[01:38] <pedro> ;)
[01:38] <Jucato> er.. careful.. /list will sort of make your connection slow
[01:39] <Ayabara> Jucato, that worked. thanks :-)
[01:39] <dwidmann> there are a bazillion channels, be thankful konversation has a filter ...
[01:39] <Linux_Galore> pedro: usually best to get your chat client to save the list to a file
[01:39] <JohnFlux> Ayabara:  you could reset the setings.  remove the applet then:  rm  ~/.kde/share/apps/ksysguard/KSysGuardApplet.xml
[01:39] <Jucato> hail JohnFlux!!! (meow!)
[01:39] <JohnFlux> lol
[01:40] <flaccid> what if they have never used the command line :)
[01:40] <dwidmann> copy + paste
[01:40] <flaccid> it is a desktop distro after all
[01:40] <dwidmann> can't go wrong ;)
[01:40] <flaccid> how is copy and paste going to help here :)
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> Ayabara: should try using the system monitor applet, show you cpu usage etc
[01:40] <Linux_Galore> shows*
[01:41] <Ayabara> JohnFlux, thanks. now all that I fudged up is gone :-)
[01:41] <dwidmann> flaccid: copying and pasting of commands, not so hard, I've taught certified idiots to do it  :)
[01:41] <flaccid> thats not the point
[01:41] <Ayabara> Linux_Galore, that's something I have to install? can't see it in the default applets
[01:42] <JohnFlux> Ayabara: it's what you're using now :P
[01:43] <Linux_Galore> Ayabara: yeah, you may have to install it, its allot nicer than what your doing
[01:43] <karmikaze> hiya, anyone here using a pci wifi card? just out of curiosity.
[01:43] <karmikaze> ive checked the ubuntu site for support. but i just wanna go with some word of mouth on what works
[01:43] <flaccid> what card is it
[01:44] <Ayabara> JohnFlux, Linux_Galore, some confusion here :-), it's the system guard applet I am using, I just managed to delete parts of it. now all I gotta do is figure out what the stuff it displays means :-)
[01:45] <Ayabara> JohnFlux, I thought there was another one called "system monitor" :)
[01:45] <JohnFlux> system monitor == system guard applet
[01:45] <JohnFlux> :-)
[01:45] <Linux_Galore> Ayabara: there is, you may have to install it from the repo
[01:45] <velle> how can i get a list of programs in terminal? so that I can kill one of them
[01:45] <dwidmann> ps -A
[01:45] <Jucato> JohnFlux: actually... I don't think so...
[01:45] <JohnFlux> Jucato: oh
[01:45] <flaccid> velle: ps aux
[01:45] <JohnFlux> i'll shut up :-)
[01:45] <Jucato> there are 2 of them in the Add Applet to Panel dialog box
[01:46] <Jucato> a System Guard and a System Monitor applet
[01:46] <Ayabara> aha :-) , I'll try to find the system monitor applet and have a look
[01:46] <Jucato> JohnFlux: which one is yours? :D
[01:46] <JohnFlux> I don't know any more :-)
[01:46] <Jucato> hahah :)
[01:47] <Jucato> sorry, shouldn't be laughing.. (I think)
[01:47] <karmikaze> im lookin to get a card
[01:47] <karmikaze> just wondering what cards people use
[01:48] <flaccid> anything new supported is probably good
[01:48] <flaccid> i just use what works
[01:48] <karmikaze> heh
[01:48] <karmikaze> guess im shifting between netgear or linksys
[01:48] <flaccid> either is good
[01:48] <Ayabara> the only alternative I can find is the gnome-system-monitor. do you mean that one??
[01:48] <flaccid> linksys i prefer
[01:48] <karmikaze> yeah
[01:49] <Jucato> JohnFlux, Ayabara: System Guard Applet works with KSysGuard
[01:49] <dwidmann> Ayabar, why not use KSysGuard, it can be customized to death :)
[01:49] <zutgorak> ok, im not sure whoever it was that directed me for instructions regarding wifi, but thank you
[01:49] <dwidmann> will show you anything on the face of /proc
[01:50] <Ayabara> dwidmann, I may just do. The default seems fine to me, now that I start to figure out what it shows :-)
[01:51] <Linux_Galore> ksysguard is a space hog thougb
[01:52] <Linux_Galore> system monitor show you more in less space
[01:52] <Jucato> JohnFlux: heard that? :P
[01:52] <karmikaze> so anyone here have a linksys pci wireless card? guess im lookin at the WMP54g as speedboost probably wouldnt be supported by linux
[01:52] <flaccid> i just use top
[01:52] <flaccid> no bloat!
[01:52] <JohnFlux> Jucato: probably true :-)
[01:52] <JohnFlux> !wireless
[01:52] <dwidmann> I don't know, Ksysguard can show quite a lot in one of those little panels
[01:52] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:52] <Jucato> JohnFlux: so hoorah for KSysGuard for KDE 4 :)
[01:53] <JohnFlux> karmikaze: ^^
[01:53] <JohnFlux> ;-)
[01:53] <cacallima> oi
[01:53] <karmikaze> yeah JohnFlux just looking for some hands on experience
[01:53] <larson9999> linksys is on my bad side for customer support.  then again, the netgear products i've had seem to die early.  what's a girl to do?
[01:53] <karmikaze> their list of supported devices looks a bit out of date
[01:53] <karmikaze> linksys are the only company that illudes to linux even existing :P
[01:54] <JohnFlux> larson9999: I can't think of a clean reply :-)
[01:54] <flaccid> yeah and what sux is that older cards are loosing support even though a lot are 802.11g
[01:54] <JohnFlux> larson9999: to early in the morning heh
[01:54] <Jucato> good morning JohnFlux :)
[01:54] <Jucato> though that greeting was a tad too late :P
[01:54] <JohnFlux> well, it's after midday, but I just woke up
[01:54] <JohnFlux> so it counts as morning to me :P
[01:54] <Linux_Galore> karmikaze: I always check on www.google.com/linux   beware even though you see a set model number listed as working it may only be for a set revision, often wifi card makers keep the same model number but change the revision letter ie a,b,c but they have otally changed the chipset between revisions
[01:54] <Jucato> haha! just like me... at least just for today :D
[01:55] <karmikaze> yeah ive noticed that stuff Linux_Galore
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> totally*
[01:55] <Ayabara> Linux_Galore, I want to try out the 'system monitor' after all. do you know the name of the package?
[01:55] <karmikaze> hence why im checkin to see if anyone actually has something working that i can go by word of mouth
[01:55] <Linux_Galore> karmikaze: with linux your after the chipset not the make or model really
[01:55] <karmikaze> yep
[01:55] <karmikaze> which is down to the revision
[01:56] <karmikaze> but id still like to know what people are using
[01:56] <larson9999> karmikaze: well, they didn't support me on linux.  had to boot to xp.  they told me there wasn't an xp driver for my print server.  oh well.  and i'm still ticked at the whole wrt54g deal.  anyway, i shouldn't complain as i get most of my hw from the trash bin
[01:56] <Linux_Galore> karmikaze: most of the linksys stuff works but double check
[01:56] <flaccid> i'm using intel bg2200 which is old now min-pci
[01:56] <karmikaze> yeah larson9999 i was thinkin about buying a wrt54gl
[01:57] <karmikaze> then the wmp54g card im lookin at too
[01:57] <karmikaze> lots of good accessories for it
[01:57] <karmikaze> pigtail wise
[01:57] <karmikaze> i need to build a huge aerial
[01:57] <flaccid> at the end of the day they all suck. none of them can make an accessible frontend. idiots.
[01:57] <steven_> can someone help me?
[01:57] <karmikaze> possibly :P
[01:57] <flaccid> !help
[01:57] <steven_> i cant seem to turn on my wireless
[01:57] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:57] <karmikaze> lol
[01:57] <karmikaze> funfun
[01:57] <karmikaze> desktop or laptop steven_
[01:57] <steven_> laptop
[01:58] <steven_> its a compaq v2000
[01:58] <karmikaze> what chipset
[01:58] <karmikaze> lspci
[01:58] <steven_> how do i find that out?
[01:58] <karmikaze> lspci
[01:58] <mena> how to make my contacts lists in kopete appear by thier first and last name not by the name of thier email....any one have an idea
[01:59] <flaccid> i don't think you can mena, try #kopete
[01:59] <larson9999> my favorite editor just added crosshairs! oh lucky day!
[01:59] <mena> flaccid, okay
[01:59] <Linux_Galore> theres another thing kcontrol needs, a sysinfo plugin
[01:59] <steven_> 05:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[02:00] <steven_> it  was working earlier and my ethernet works well
[02:00] <karmikaze> whats wrong with it now steven_
[02:00] <steven_> but when i restarted the wireless didnt turn on
[02:00] <karmikaze> hrm
[02:00] <steven_> the little light on the wireless button doesnt turn on
[02:00] <karmikaze> >_>
[02:00] <karmikaze> weird
[02:01] <karmikaze> ive had a lot of wifi problems, but not that one :P
[02:01] <karmikaze> you dual boot? does it work properly elsewhere?
[02:01] <steven_> no i dont dual boot
[02:01] <steven_> and it stopped working when i restarted
[02:01] <karmikaze> which program are you using to connect to wifi
[02:02] <karmikaze> wlanassistant, kwifimanager, knetworkmanager?
[02:02] <steven_> i have knetworkmanager
[02:02] <karmikaze> iwconfig..
[02:02] <karmikaze> ok
[02:02] <karmikaze> hrmm
[02:02] <larson9999> is it just me or is gnome 'zippier'?  i fired it up today because i couldn't get an ap to work in kde.  i swear it's faster.  wonder if i got extra stuff running when i start kde
[02:02] <karmikaze> that one has the radio on/off toggle in the menu right
[02:02] <flaccid> gnome is faster yes
[02:02] <lupine_85> nah
[02:02] <karmikaze> kde is kooler
[02:02] <karmikaze> >8D
[02:02] <karmikaze> hi lupine_85!
[02:02] <Linux_Galore> steven_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx?highlight=%28WifiDocs%29%7C%28ManufacturerModel%29%7C%28AND%29
[02:02] <lupine_85> for me, gnome < kde > xfce
[02:02] <steven_> i dont know what you mean...but it does have an icon on the bottom right
[02:03] <lupine_85> but DE wars are silly
[02:03] <lupine_85> YMMV, etc
[02:03] <karmikaze> heh
[02:03] <lupine_85> hi karmikaze
[02:03] <larson9999> well i configure gnome to look like kde so not much difference there for me.  same goes for xubuntu
[02:03] <steven_> linux_galore what do you want me to do with that link?
[02:03] <karmikaze> read steven_ lol
[02:03] <karmikaze> thats my guess anyway
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> steven_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[02:04] <Linux_Galore> steven_: read it
[02:05] <Linux_Galore> steven_: then read the second one
[02:05] <larson9999> nah, i just wanted to know if it was faster or if i just needed to research what's bogging my kde setup down.  i like all wm's
[02:05] <steven_> i have edgy btw
[02:05] <Linux_Galore> steven_: method will be the same
[02:05] <steven_> alright thnx
[02:07] <lupine_85> for me, fish:// + kate makes kde pwn everything else
[02:07] <dwidmann> Ouch, building kdebase took 25 minutes :\
[02:07] <lupine_85> :p
[02:07] <lupine_85> I made the mistake of emerging all of kde once, in gentoo
[02:07] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: you've got a slow machine then :)
[02:07] <lupine_85> never again!
[02:08] <dwidmann> _StefanS_: Slow?
[02:08] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: yep, 25 minutes.. I think I can build it in 12-15 minutes
[02:08] <dwidmann> Then do so
[02:08] <dwidmann> took 25 minutes with my FX-60 ...
[02:09] <flaccid> lupine_85: fish + krusader + kate :)
[02:09] <lupine_85> krusader ?
[02:09] <flaccid> dwidmann: move over to something like freebsd, i just spent two weeks compiling :)
[02:09] <Jucato> fish + rice + vegetables :)
[02:09] <lupine_85> !krusader
[02:09] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[02:09] <Jucato> lupine_85: twin panel file manager
[02:09] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: I've got a T7600
[02:09] <lupine_85> hmm
[02:09] <lupine_85> I prefer tabs
[02:10] <Jucato> heh :)
[02:10] <flaccid> massaman + rice
[02:10] <dwidmann> _SefanS: Is that a Core Duo or Core 2 Duo, I can't remember
[02:10] <flaccid> it has tabs
[02:10] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: core2
[02:10] <flaccid> with each panel
[02:10] <flaccid> which equals rox
[02:11] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: I was pretty impressed, since I just checked my email, and then it was done. I remember compiling kdebase on my old pentium-m 2.0ghz, took quite a while
[02:11] <dwidmann> Seems some of the kdebase packages in kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 aren't there for the amd64 arch ... so I decided to fetch/build it myself
[02:11] <vlt> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 2.6.17-10-generic (SMP) on intel dual core cpu and PowerManager 0.42 (default). After resuming from Suspend or Hibernate mode the 2nd cpu always runs on full speed. What is responsible for this behavior? How to correct that?
[02:12] <twosouls82> good day to you all :)
[02:12] <pedro> Well guys
[02:12] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: amazing how fast the stuff is these days, considering just a few years ago
[02:12] <dwidmann> _StefanS_: on a PentiumM? that sounds painful
[02:12] <pedro> I am having some troubles with azureus
[02:12] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: yep it was. and slow
[02:12] <pedro> I use Kubuntu edgy with azureus installed via aptitude
[02:12] <flaccid> pentium m is fast
[02:12] <flaccid> hey i'm on pentium m 1.7
[02:12] <_StefanS_> flaccid: not really
[02:13] <flaccid> fast enough for me
[02:13] <flaccid> but i guess i have a decent notebook
[02:13] <pedro> it worked fine, but recently it crashed when I tried to open a torrent file
[02:13] <dwidmann> If I remember right the Pentium M's were a heavily modified Pentium 3, or something
[02:13] <_StefanS_> flaccid: good for you, I wasn't too impressed with mine.
[02:13] <pedro> since then It crashed everytime I tried to start it
[02:13] <flaccid> well azureus is borked on ubuntu so bar it
[02:13] <_StefanS_> dwidmann: thats correct
[02:13] <flaccid> um no its a p4 arch
[02:13] <pedro> http://pastebin.com/872067
[02:13] <_StefanS_> flaccid: the design is p3
[02:14] <pedro> This is the error message when I load it from console
[02:14] <_StefanS_> flaccid: thats a widely known fact
[02:14] <flaccid> um you sure
[02:14] <_StefanS_> flaccid: yep.. it started with p4's in laptops, and then went to pm's
[02:14] <flaccid> like the 725 chip or whatever
[02:14] <steven__> that was better than the last tutorial i found
[02:14] <flaccid> _StefanS_: so how is it p3
[02:14] <_StefanS_> flaccid: they performed alot better in comparison to the bloated p4 arch
[02:14] <pedro> any idea?
[02:15] <flaccid> oh yeah thats coz of cache
[02:15] <steven07> is there a shorter way to write someones name on here?
[02:15] <flaccid> i mean we are comparing apples with oranges here...
[02:15] <dwidmann> and ran cooler/consumed less power
[02:15] <steven07> like...ctrl+click or soemthing?
[02:15] <flaccid> p4 = desktop chip not notebook
[02:15] <_StefanS_> flaccid: please check your facts... pentium-m's came after p4 in laptops. and yes there was alot of laptops on p4 some while ago
[02:16] <intelikey> steven07 tab completion ?   or nick completion char.
[02:16] <dwidmann> !tab
[02:16] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[02:16] <steven07> nick completion
[02:16] <intelikey> steven07 yes   tab completion ?   or nick completion char?
[02:16] <intelikey> those are your choices.
[02:16] <_StefanS_> flaccid: the pm generates less heat, and thats because they went back to p3 design and upped the cache
[02:17] <steven07> so i press tab or what?
[02:17] <intelikey> yep
[02:17] <steven07> intelikey: alright i figured out i can press tab...but whats the other you speak of
[02:17] <flaccid> um so you are right. but its more from the pentium pro which is totally different. its the old cpu debate on clock speed vs cache etc.
[02:17] <intelikey> or do something like int; so it autocompletes
[02:18] <intelikey> depends on the char your client has/uses
[02:18] <_StefanS_> flaccid: I had a p4 1.8ghz(A31m), then a pm 1,83ghz(T42) and then 2.0ghz(T43)
[02:18] <intelikey> and most are adjustable.
[02:18] <steven07> intelikey: how do you make it so that the message is red?
[02:18] <_StefanS_> flaccid: so I kinda followed the progress there :)
[02:18] <flaccid> and then you compare p3 to p4 ..
[02:18] <pedro> Well, I think that the bug maybe is caused to the configuration
[02:18] <dwidmann> there, that's better, no more broken packages :)
[02:18] <intelikey> steven07 your client highlights because of your nick.
[02:18] <pedro> How can I delete it to predefine?
[02:19] <flaccid> well whatever notebook you had with the 1.7m it was shite.
[02:19] <steven07> intelikey: alright thanks=)
[02:19] <steven07> this is what i love about linux
[02:19] <steven07> support=D
[02:19] <Jucato> you're just lucky :)
[02:19] <intelikey> steven07 or if you recieve pm's in the same window they will be a different colour.
[02:19] <_StefanS_> flaccid: just slow. But depends on what you use it for
[02:20] <steven07> aw thats cool
[02:20] <flaccid> well i would like to think we are not talking about gaming
[02:20] <flaccid> just desktop computing with kde on xorg
[02:20] <steven07> how do you use the actions?
[02:20] <intelikey> /msg nick message.
[02:21] <intelikey> what flaccid just did is with  /me message.
[02:21] <_StefanS_> flaccid: there's a whole lot of difference from the pm to core2, on the desktop as well.
[02:21] <intelikey> /me did it this time.
[02:22] <intelikey> and to get the irc client to start a line with / you use /say /blah
[02:22] <intelikey> /blah
[02:23] <intelikey> /say /say
[02:23] <flaccid> i dunno br0, sorry i was wrong _StefanS_ someone told me the wrong thing. i'm just a dumbass web dev at the end of the day
[02:23] <_StefanS_> probably.
[02:23] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:24] <intelikey> _StefanS_ sure drop the hw convo just when i was about to mention that i'm on a p1mmx 100mhz boxen...
[02:24] <intelikey> (:
[02:24] <ciro> hi all ... I installed beryl and xgl but I noticed my keybord doesnt work correctly ... some keys doesnt work ... who can help me to fix this problem?
[02:25] <intelikey> !keys
[02:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keys - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:25] <intelikey> !keyboard
[02:25] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[02:27] <steven07> *
[02:28] <steven07> how do you show emotions?
[02:29] <oem> italian?
[02:29] <intelikey> we just use standard chars.   : ( ) [ D and so forth.
[02:29] <goodthing> oem: nope
[02:29] <oem> noob
[02:29] <oem> :P
[02:29] <oem> just installed
[02:29] <intelikey> :)
[02:30] <steven07> no i mean...like..where it shows you're doing something
[02:30] <oem> i'm try kubuntu features
[02:30] <intelikey> >:] 
[02:30] <oem> bye guys
[02:30] <intelikey> oem
[02:31] <goodthing> steven07: depends on the app you're using
[02:31] <steven07> goodthing: im using konversation
[02:32] <goodthing> steven07: i don't think konversation supports smileys, but i have been wrong before so...
[02:32] <goodthing> hehe
[02:33] <steven07> intelikey: how did you do that??
[02:33] <intelikey> actually i've used konversation one time for about 3 minutes.
[02:33] <intelikey> steven07  i done told you   /me
[02:33] <intelikey> ^ /me thinks it does but has been wrong too.
[02:35] <goodthing> steven07: but if smileys are important to you there is always kopete, which also works with irc
[02:35] <larson9999> :)
[02:35] <intelikey> (:
[02:36] <larson9999> my internal graphics card switches them to smilies by default
[02:36] <larson9999> i mean the one between my ears.  that's the best kind.
[02:36] <intelikey> possably pebcak preventing steven07's ?
[02:38] <steven07> how do i register nickname?
[02:38] <intelikey> i have anti-aliasing with 3d on mine,   (:
[02:39] <Jucato> !register | steven07
[02:39] <ubotu> steven07: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[02:46] <tajski> zyuooooo!!!!!!!!!
[02:52] <underdog5004> Agent_bob, yay, my kde update just completed!
[02:52] <Jucato> congratulations
[02:52] <Jucato> hm... intelikey?
[02:52] <underdog5004> Agent_bob, also, do you ever sleep? that goes for you too, Jucato
[02:52] <Agent_bob> lol underdog5004 i get faster updates and i'm on 28k dialup
[02:52] <Jucato> underdog5004: I do sleep. but it's just almost 10 PM here
[02:52] <slyfox> Jucato: do you have pc or a laptopt ?
[02:52] <Jucato> slyfox: PC
[02:52] <underdog5004> Agent_bob, yeah...my ISP sucks...but I already did that song and dance...
[02:52] <Agent_bob> lol
[02:52] <Jucato> (thank goodness..)
[02:53] <Agent_bob> always 22:00 Jucato  lol
[02:53] <Jucato> underdog5004: you didn't do the chant and the summoning?
[02:53] <underdog5004> It's almost 6 AM here...
[02:53] <slyfox> I think there is a bug with Suspend, when I turn my laptop back on from suspend, the only thing that happens is Fans start to sping very fast that is it....
[02:53] <Agent_bob> underdog5004 ah gold coast'er eeh
[02:53] <underdog5004> Jucato, uh...chant? Darn it, I forgot to appease the GNU/Linux Demons
[02:54] <underdog5004> I'm really pleased that I don't have to restart for even such a major upgrade as this...amazing! I love linux.
[02:55] <slyfox> Actually I think that was hybernate
[02:55] <underdog5004> Agent_bob, uh, gold coast? Cause of the gold in California?
[02:55] <Agent_bob> actually the nick changes were to facelitate changes to settings for both nicks.   and no i don't know why i didn't just link the second....
[02:55] <Agent_bob> underdog5004 you never heard that expression before ?
[02:55] <underdog5004> nope, I'm a young'un
[02:56] <Agent_bob> yeah gold coast  as in  miners 49'er
[02:56] <underdog5004> I've heard of the emerald triangle (I live in it!)
[02:56] <underdog5004> Agent_bob, thats what I thought...where do you live?
[02:56] <Agent_bob> oh here and there.
[02:56] <underdog5004> lol
[02:56] <underdog5004> country?
[02:57] <Agent_bob> yeah some times city tho
[02:57] <underdog5004> just curious, cause I've never heard that saying before...
[02:57] <Agent_bob> (:
[02:57] <underdog5004> :)
[02:57] <underdog5004> alright
[02:57] <underdog5004> I'm going back to bed, Only reason I got up was to drive my gf to work...g'night (g'morning?)
[02:58] <Agent_bob> yeah gooday and good luck to your penguin
[02:58] <underdog5004> thank you kindly
[03:00] <Agent_bob> is there a better/more uptodate app for whois quarries than whois ?
[03:00] <Jucato> ??
[03:00] <Agent_bob> !whois
[03:00] <ubotu> whois: the GNU whois client. In component main, is optional. Version 4.7.14 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 272 kB
[03:00] <Jucato> aaaah
[03:00] <Jucato> I thought you meant /whois lol
[03:01] <Agent_bob> heh no.
[03:02] <Jucato> hence the "??"
[03:03] <Agent_bob> yeah i understood the ?? of confusion  but that still doesn't answer my Q
[03:04] <Agent_bob> maybe i'll just follow the link... http://wdprs.internic.net/
[03:05] <goodthing> Jucato: what's wrong with whois?
[03:05] <Jucato> Agent_bob: don't  ask me
[03:06] <Agent_bob> goodthing missed on three consecutive quarries two .net and a .com
[03:07] <Agent_bob> the .com was something.aol.com  so i know there should be a listing
[03:08] <goodthing> maybe the source whois uses is outdated or something, i don't really know either
[03:11] <Agent_bob> goodthing hmmmm you do at least kinda know how it works dont you ?
[03:11] <goodthing> but that sound like something which should be listed indeed
[03:11] <goodthing> Agent_bob: whois? i know some pieces, probably not everything
[03:11] <Agent_bob> k
[03:12] <dwidmann> Hmm, an mplayer32 package for Edgy, nice :)
[03:16] <twosouls82> dwidmann: mplayer32?? :\
[03:17] <dwidmann> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=188974
[03:19] <twosouls82> merci dwidmann, looking at it
[03:21] <karmikaze> !plf
[03:21] <ubotu> The Penguin Liberation Front is dedicated to distributing software that cannot be included in Linux distributions for various reasons - See http://plf.zarb.org/ (not yet fully functioning) - See also !Medibuntu and !Seveas
[03:22] <frojnd> is there any support for usb disks.... transfer is really slow
[03:22] <frojnd> usb keys*
[03:23] <esaym> can kdar work through ssh?
[03:23] <ForgeAus> !medibuntu
[03:23] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/
[03:23] <ForgeAus> !seveas
[03:23] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:23] <dwidmann> frojnd, be sure you've plugged it into a usb 2.0 port
[03:23] <frojnd> dwidmann: I am, only that XP make transfer alot faster..
[03:24] <dwidmann> frojnd: try disabling usb legacy support in your bios?
[03:24] <Agent_bob> usb sub system 1. is slow. so use 2. if possable
[03:24] <goodthing> frojnd: for what's worth, my usb-key works faster in edgy than in dapper
[03:25] <goodthing> oh, different pc too, nevermind
[03:25] <frojnd> how can I check what hardware do I have: from usbs to graphic card..
[03:25] <karmikaze> lspci
[03:26] <karmikaze> frojnd: ^
[03:28] <vinegaroon> My sound card drivers aren't working :(
[03:30] <Agent_bob> !sound
[03:30] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:31] <vinegaroon> ok I'll check those sites I have enabled sound.
[03:31] <twosouls82> there was a Oxygen palette for KDE (instead of just for Gimp) on http://www.kde-artists.org/node/172
[03:31] <twosouls82> does someone know where to find it now?
[03:32] <steven07> has anyone installed beryl successfully?
[03:32] <karmikaze> yeah steven07
[03:32] <karmikaze> what you working with?
[03:33] <karmikaze> you on nvidia or ati
[03:33] <steven07> karmikaze: i've got ATI
[03:33] <steven07> karmikaze: you?
[03:33] <karmikaze> nvidia
[03:33] <karmikaze> sorry
[03:33] <vinegaroon> I installed it
[03:33] <steven07> karmikaze: darn
[03:33] <steven07> vinegaroon: beryl?
[03:33] <vinegaroon> try this http://www.biodesign.com.ar/blog/?p=16
[03:41] <bjacob> when i start kmail, it tells me "segmentation fault" immediately.
[03:41] <bjacob> how can i fix it?
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Hi gnomefreak
[03:42] <gnomefreak> hi DaSkreech
[03:42] <DaSkreech> bjacob: run it from the command line see if it throws an error
[03:42] <bjacob> yes, that's what i do
[03:42] <bjacob> it just says Segmentation fault
[03:42] <Agent_bob> bjacob check for updates ?     check the bug reports ?  maybe there's a fix out.
[03:43] <Agent_bob> !bug
[03:43] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:43] <bjacob> i had some filesystem corruption so my kmail executable disappeared, then i installed a kdepim package with adept
[03:43] <bjacob> so my situation is pretty special.... probably not worth a bug report
[03:43] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:43] <Agent_bob> yeap missing files.
[03:43] <DaSkreech> Try purge it then renistall
[03:44] <bjacob> how do i do that?
[03:44] <e0400503> hi
[03:45] <dream22> how do I search for app in terminal
[03:45] <bjacob> Jucato: ok nice to know
[03:45] <Agent_bob> i'd sujest something along the lines of  sudo apt-get remove gamin && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:45] <bjacob> Agent_bob: thanks
[03:45] <Agent_bob> but that's just me.  and that's not for dailup users.
[03:45] <bjacob> that's ok i've got 10 Mbps download
[03:45] <Agent_bob> several houndred megs of data transfer there.
[03:46] <bjacob> ok, trying it
[03:46] <GodFinger> jezz
[03:46] <bjacob> Agent_bob: it tells me "Package gamin is not installed, so not removed"
[03:46] <Agent_bob> sec.
[03:46] <|distro-tester|> hello
[03:47] <Agent_bob> what version of *buntu you using ?
[03:47] <bjacob> Agent_bob: kubuntu edgy
[03:48] <triker_> holasss
[03:48] <triker_> es mejor ubuntu que kubuntu??
[03:49] <Agent_bob> hmmm  jucato does edgy not use gamin  ?
[03:49] <Jucato> !es | triker_
[03:49] <ubotu> triker_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:49] <Jucato> Agent_bob: dunno...
[03:49] <Agent_bob> !gamin
[03:49] <distro-tester> hello there
[03:49] <ubotu> gamin: File and directory monitoring system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.7-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 60 kB, installed size 184 kB
[03:49] <Agent_bob> says optional.
[03:49] <Agent_bob> !gamin dapper
[03:49] <ubotu> gamin: File and directory monitoring system. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.7-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 59 kB, installed size 184 kB
[03:49] <Jucato> still optional...
[03:50] <distro-tester> i istalled from adept the nvidia-glx is that the deiver i nead jucato for my video card ?=
[03:50] <bjacob> Agent_bob: it also tells me this message: http://rafb.net/p/cIHqkW18.html
[03:50] <Agent_bob> well that says optional too but on dapper it will take all k* with it.
[03:50] <distro-tester> are the nvidia glx the general drivers for all cards ?
[03:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: depends on your video card
[03:50] <Jucato> distro-tester: yes
[03:50] <distro-tester> 7900GS
[03:51] <Jucato> er unless they're legacy
[03:51] <distro-tester> but they are avaible only for xp now so what i do jucato?
[03:51] <distro-tester> drivers i mean
[03:51] <Agent_bob> lets see gnome is gtk and kde is qt  ?
[03:52] <Jucato> Agent_bob: yes, but if you do an apt-cache showpkg libgamin0, you'll notice that some kde stuff rely on it
[03:52] <distro-tester> can i put those nvidia glx to replace my nvdia drivers till they not out for linux that i was asking?
[03:52] <Agent_bob> ok
[03:52] <goodthing> dream22: apt-cache search(or: show, policy) appname/keyword
[03:52] <Agent_bob> bjacob try that with libgamin0
[03:53] <bjacob> ok
[03:53] <distro-tester> ok ill keep those then
[03:53] <bjacob> sudo apt-cache search libgamin0
[03:53] <Agent_bob>  sudo apt-get remove libgamin0 && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <bjacob> libgamin0 - Client library for the gamin file and directory monitoring system
[03:53] <distro-tester> does any one have nvidia 7900GS to tell me where to get drivers for linux if they exist ?
[03:53] <bjacob> Agent_bob: ok
[03:54] <Agent_bob> (:
[03:54] <bjacob> Package libgamin0 is not installed, so not removed
[03:54] <distro-tester> i scared to ruin lcd and video card whit this nvidia glx
[03:54] <karmikaze> !compiz
[03:54] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[03:54] <Agent_bob> bjacob you do have kde installed ?
[03:54] <distro-tester> !nvidia
[03:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:54] <karmikaze> !lupine
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lupine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:55] <bjacob> Agent_bob: yes i'm in a kde 3.5.6 session right now
[03:55] <Agent_bob> 3.5.6 hmmmmm
[03:55] <distro-tester> i hate how insecure to do things linux makes me jucato im scared to isntall stuff ahah
[03:55] <Agent_bob> that might be part of it.
[03:55] <Agent_bob> bjacob how did you go about that upgrade ?
[03:56] <bjacob> Agent_bob: as explained on kubuntu.org front page
[03:56] <gnomefreak> Agent_bob: add the repo from kubuntu.org
[03:56] <karmikaze> heh speaking of which i just broke my nvidia stuff :P
[03:57] <distro-tester> does any one know where to find linux drivers for nvidia 7900GS
[03:57] <distro-tester> ?
[03:59] <slyfox> Question about Kooka, how do I add a Scanner to it?
[03:59] <twosouls82> "get the irq and io port from your bios or windoze", bios is either stupid or sneaky (hidden options?), windowze.. no option (don't use it)
[03:59] <slyfox> Can't find it anywhere, how to add a scanner ?
[03:59] <steven07> anyone used 3ddesktop?
[03:59] <bjacob> slyfox: i think kooka is just a frontend to SANE
[04:00] <bjacob> slyfox: so you might have more chance googling for "how to add a scanner to sane"
[04:01] <Agent_bob> bjacob well the kubuntu team seems to be supporting that... so i'll leave you in their hands.    (Agent_bob doesn't work here)    but i'd still sujest removing a package that all the gui stuff depends on and then reinstalling kubuntu-desktop.    maybe xlibs  or something.   kdelibs    dik.
[04:01] <Agent_bob> idk.
[04:02] <twosouls82> can I tell my soundcard's irq from within Linux?
[04:02] <bjacob> Agent_bob: ok thanks
[04:02] <steven07> anyone used 3ddesktop?
[04:02] <Agent_bob> and just when i had found one that i "knew" it all depended on, they change it....
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[04:02] <Agent_bob> np bjacob
[04:02] <bjacob> Agent_bob: i guess i understood the idea :)
[04:03] <Agent_bob> yeah it's just hard to find one package that will chain react all the gui stuff without being a system breaker.
[04:04] <bjacob> Agent_bob: really appreciate your support btw :)
[04:04] <luca_b> twosouls82: to get ALL the IRQs mapped on linux, you need to look at the /proc/interrupts file
[04:04] <Agent_bob> like zlib would do it   but you have to have zlib or libc6 goes and if that goes everything goes.
[04:05] <bjacob> i see
[04:05] <bjacob> what about uninstalling the kdelibs?
[04:05] <twosouls82> luca_b: will do, thanks man/woman! :)
[04:06] <distro-tester> ok my card is in the ubuntu wiki it's this one GeForce 7600 GS  0x0392 so wich drivers i nead bjacod?
[04:06] <distro-tester> b
[04:06] <twosouls82> luca_b: I am looking for the irq of the midi part of my soundcard, hence it is disabled at the moment it is missing in that proc file?
[04:07] <luca_b> twosouls82: if the peripheral is disabled in the BIOS, you won't see it, indeed
[04:07] <twosouls82> luca_b: might be disabled, I can't see midi in there though, any idea for a sesame-open-key (if it is a hidden function)?
[04:08] <twosouls82> in the bios that is
[04:08] <distro-tester> hey luca hello
[04:08] <Agent_bob> bjacob try  libx11-6
[04:08] <bjacob> ok thanks
[04:08] <Agent_bob> if edgy uses that.  that should do it.
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !libx11-6
[04:09] <bjacob> ok i'll try
[04:09] <ubotu> libx11-6: X11 client-side library. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1192 kB
[04:09] <luca_b> twosouls82: try writing cat /proc/interrupts grep MPU
[04:09] <luca_b> wait
[04:09] <luca_b> I mean
[04:09] <luca_b> cat /proc/interrupts | grep MPU
[04:10] <Agent_bob> and waves good by
[04:11] <twosouls82> luca_b: not there
[04:11] <sploit> #ubuntu
[04:11] <twosouls82> luca_b: kinfocenter says: "MIDI devices: NOT enabled in CONFIG"
[04:12] <Agent_bob> bjacob safest to run that in a "console" not inside kde just incase it tries to close kdm when removing things.
[04:12] <luca_b> twosouls82: check around in the bios, see if there is something related to the onboard audio
[04:12] <Agent_bob> ooops.
[04:13] <twosouls82> luca_b: I do it 'daily' since a few months, I can't see it there .. only a option to disable onboard audio entirely
[04:13] <bjacob> Agent_bob: don't worry i was planning to do so :)
[04:13] <luca_b> twosouls82: odd indeed
[04:13] <GodFinger> where would I find good (latest) guiden to install XGL and Compiz on Kubuntu 6.06.1?
[04:13] <luca_b> twosouls82: yours is an AC97 audio?
[04:13] <Agent_bob> but it's time for me to go anyway so he can cuss me while i'm gone and the rest of you'll have to hear it....
[04:13] <Agent_bob> oh you did catch that.  :)
[04:13] <twosouls82> luca_b: yeppers
[04:13] <Agent_bob> good.
[04:13] <karmikaze> GodFinger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[04:13] <GodFinger> OK great
[04:13] <karmikaze> erm
[04:13] <karmikaze> !compiz >> GodFinger
[04:14] <Agent_bob> bjacob good luck with it.  and gooday.
[04:14] <bjacob> Agent_bob: ok thanks again and good day to you too :)
[04:14] <luca_b> twosouls82: just for checks, put on pastebin the output of lspci -v | grep audio
[04:15] <twosouls82> luca_b: not a large paste, so: "VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)", I have the 8233
[04:16] <luca_b> twosouls82: I would suggest to look around (forums, google) to see if anyone has this problem, as I have Intel audio and I see midi here
[04:17] <twosouls82> luca_b: I have done for a few days before asking here, but I will resume doing so, just hoped someone tackled this one before
[04:17] <twosouls82> luca_b: thank you very much for your efforts
[04:18] <luca_b> twosouls82: sorry I can't do more, but I'm working or I'd have looked myself
[04:19] <luigi_> ciao
[04:19] <twosouls82> luca_b: great, thanks again.. I will keep you posted
[04:20] <luigi_> c' qualke italiano che utilizza kubuntu?
[04:20] <karmikaze> !it
[04:20] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:20] <luigi_> ok
[04:20] <karmikaze> :)
[04:20] <twosouls82> luca_b: just one more question (don't want to make your boss anry =)), do you have a /dev/mixer device?
[04:21] <twosouls82> s/anry/angry/g
[04:23] <distro-tester> !restricted
[04:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:23] <luca_b> twosouls82: let me check
[04:24] <luca_b> twosouls82: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2007-01-31 15:06 /dev/mixer
[04:25] <twosouls82> luca_b: hmm, thought so, I don't :(, thanks, now I atleast know where to look for ;)
[04:25] <distro-tester> which port do i have to enable luca which one is restricted to get nvidia drivers?
[04:29] <distro-tester> !uname-a
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uname-a - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <distro-tester> !uname
[04:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uname - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:29] <karmikaze> can anyone get onto ubuntuforums.org??
[04:29] <stdin> distro-tester: what's the problem ?
[04:29] <goodthing> karmikaze: nope, down here
[04:29] <karmikaze> ok
[04:30] <distro-tester> ok i got nvidia drivers in adept
[04:30] <distro-tester> just wanted to know if i got every port i nead enabled in adept before i install them
[04:31] <distro-tester> can u check whit paste bin stdin?
[04:31] <stdin> distro-tester: sure
[04:31] <distro-tester> thanx 1 min ill paste u it so u tell me if i nead to enable anything else i want all over 20.000 programs debian has
[04:32] <distro-tester> !pastebin
[04:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:34] <distro-tester> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3586/ there stdin thanx
[04:34] <Tweaker> Hi... why doesn
[04:34] <Tweaker> ubuntu boot into x
[04:34] <stdin> distro-tester: looks like you have everything you need there :)
[04:35] <Tweaker> I'm dropped to console and have to press alt + ctrl + f7 to get there
[04:35] <distro-tester> perfect so as my card in in the ubuntu wiki list i just istall nvidia glx-driver right stdin ?
[04:35] <distro-tester> or i nead else
[04:36] <Tweaker> so I guess you could say kdm and x starts but It opens a console session
[04:36] <Jucato> distro-tester: install this as well: linux-restricted-modules-generic
[04:36] <Jucato> distro-tester: if you're on edgy
[04:36] <distro-tester> yes  6.10
[04:37] <Jucato> distro-tester: what does the "uname -r" command in Konsole give you?
[04:37] <distro-tester> wait ill paste u it
[04:37] <Jucato> distro-tester: uname -r. that will just be one line
[04:38] <distro-tester> 2.6.17-10-generic
[04:38] <distro-tester> there jucato
[04:39] <Jucato> distro-tester: ok. install linux-restricted-modules-generic together with nvidia-glx
[04:39] <distro-tester> how u do that the linux i mean ?
[04:39] <distro-tester> glx is done but don't know how to install from adept the linux restricted
[04:40] <distro-tester> do i write linux-restricted-modules-generic in serch?
[04:40] <Jucato> distro-tester: the package name is "linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[04:40] <distro-tester> ok
[04:40] <stdin> distro-tester: after you have installed those packages, you just run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" in konsole, then it should all be set up for you
[04:41] <distro-tester> they are all ready installed just had to install  glx
[04:41] <distro-tester> do i have to isntlall linux restricted obsolete to?
[04:42] <distro-tester> i got k7 and 686 to
[04:42] <Eyeless> whats the default password for the ubuntu livecd? (the screensaver ent on while i tried to install ^^ )
[04:42] <Jucato> distro-tester: no.
[04:42] <distro-tester> ok
[04:42] <Jucato> distro-tester: just "linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[04:42] <distro-tester> here goes config then
[04:42] <Jucato> distro-tester: read what stdin said above
[04:43] <distro-tester> yes im to ensecure on linux sorry i must avoid to ask stupid questions by reading what helpers tell me
[04:43] <distro-tester> ok i done command sudo nvidia-xconfig now?
[04:44] <stdin> yeah
[04:44] <distro-tester> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[04:44] <distro-tester> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[04:44] <distro-tester> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[04:44] <stdin> distro-tester: good, it should be all done now
[04:44] <karmikaze> hrm my nvidia glx and kernel as mismatching now. how do i force an update. looks like glx is lupine [judging by the installed version number] 
[04:44] <karmikaze> s/as/are
[04:44] <Jucato> distro-tester: now log out, then in the login menu, select Restart X Server
[04:44] <distro-tester> must be a linux effect i tended to fly on xp where u so insecure at start as me jucato and stdin?
[04:45] <Jucato> distro-tester: yes. I had to do a lot of reading when I started
[04:45] <karmikaze> reinstalling ubuntu is faster than reinstalling xp :P
[04:45] <stdin> everone dose :)
[04:45] <stdin> *everyone
[04:45] <distro-tester> btw thanx to u comunity u make this distro that's not for begginers but medium ones easy
[04:45] <karmikaze> *does
[04:45] <karmikaze> hhehe
[04:45] <distro-tester> ok loging out
[04:45] <distro-tester> brb
[04:46] <stdin> karmikaze: actually both are acceptable :P
[04:46] <karmikaze> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-8776, but
[04:46] <karmikaze> this client has the version 1.0-9746.  Please make sure that the kernel
[04:46] <karmikaze> module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[04:47] <karmikaze> hmm
[04:47] <karmikaze> it just started doing this since i added lupine today
[04:47] <distro-tester> i logged back in how do i restart x now?
[04:47] <karmikaze> logging out/in supposedly restarts x
[04:48] <stdin> distro-tester: you should choose "Restart X server" from the menu on the login screen
[04:48] <karmikaze> although i find a full reboot to be more useful when you really wanna see if something will work
[04:48] <karmikaze> dont like those reboot surprises :P
[04:48] <stdin> logging in/out won't restart the X server
[04:48] <GodFinger> so, what kind of graphics card do I need for XGL and Compiz? Does my current NVIDIA Geforce4 Mx420 have the punch?
[04:49] <timster> How can i find what graphics card i have got?
[04:49] <karmikaze> timster: lspci | grep -i vga
[04:50] <stdin> GodFinger: from the help page "A MX 4xxx series card or newer using the NVIDIA binary driver." will run XGL
[04:50] <timster> GeForce FX 5600
[04:50] <distro-tester> ok done now ?
[04:50] <karmikaze> i find my nvidia 7400Go flakes out on beryl
[04:50] <timster> So how can i get drivers for that
[04:50] <karmikaze> cant have many applications open
[04:50] <karmikaze> timster: you want nvidia-glx
[04:50] <karmikaze> its in apt
[04:50] <timster> Ok
[04:50] <karmikaze> or you can go on lupine repositories if you wanna get the newest ones
[04:51] <karmikaze> esp if youll be running beryl
[04:51] <stdin> Eyeless: there is no default password
[04:51] <distro-tester> done everything stdin we finished?
[04:51] <karmikaze> run glxgears distro-tester
[04:51] <BluesKaj> distro-tester, google it
[04:51] <Jucato> distro-tester: if you were able to Restart X without any problems, then you're ok
[04:51] <distro-tester> yes thanx both
[04:52] <timster> When i try to install the nvidia glx is says BREAK
[04:52] <stdin> distro-tester: just check there is a line like " Driver          "nvidia" " in /etx/X11/xorg.conf, is there is, then it's done
[04:52] <Jucato> distro-tester: to test, 1) run "glxgears" and 2) run this command "glxinfo | grep render" and check the output if it says "Rendering: yes"
[04:52] <timster> And then says there was an error
[04:52] <karmikaze> i dont understand how i always manage to get this driver mismatch with nvidia glx and kernel
[04:52] <Jucato> distro-tester: er. "direct rendering: yes"
[04:52] <Jucato> ok, over and out. good night
[04:52] <karmikaze> cya Jucato
[04:53] <distro-tester> ok for glxinfo it's running whit the colored skrews
[04:53] <distro-tester> gears i mean
[04:53] <karmikaze> glxgears but yea
[04:53] <timster> karmikaze: I installed Nvidia glx and it says BREAK and then saus it would break other packages
[04:53] <BluesKaj> fgl_glxgears
[04:53] <karmikaze> thats for ati
[04:53] <Jucato> karmikaze: did you, by any chance, add repositories other than the official ones?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> yeah
[04:53] <karmikaze> yeah Jucato lupine
[04:53] <dwidmann> distrotester, yes, a geforce 7900gs is a geforce 7
[04:54] <Jucato> karmikaze: it's causing a conflict then
[04:54] <karmikaze> nod
[04:54] <distro-tester> thanx dwid how are u?
[04:54] <karmikaze> figured as much, but i got lupine working on my laptop.. just need to figure out what i did again
[04:54] <Jucato> karmikaze: what does lupine have? new kernel or new nvidia?
[04:54] <filip_> is there some kind of easy film-editor program similar tp
[04:54] <karmikaze> new nvidia
[04:54] <extern> what package should I install to be able to read chm files?
[04:54] <karmikaze> hrmmmm
[04:54] <Jucato> !kchmviewer | extern
[04:54] <ubotu> kchmviewer: CHM viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 200 kB, installed size 624 kB
[04:54] <karmikaze> maybe my laptop doesnt use nvidia kernel now that it hink of it
[04:54] <distro-tester> string: GeForce 7900 GS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[04:54] <distro-tester>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[04:55] <dwidmann> I'm alright distro-tester, just doing some house cleaning :O
[04:55] <distro-tester> ok we done
[04:55] <GodFinger> yeah, those are normal Windows help-files
[04:55] <distro-tester> thanx
[04:55] <GodFinger> chm
[04:55] <timster> Im haveing problems installing the Nvidia drivers
[04:55] <timster> It tells me BREAK
[04:55] <extern> thanks
[04:55] <distro-tester> string: GeForce 7900 GS/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[04:55] <distro-tester>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[04:55] <Jucato> karmikaze: lupine must (and I mean *must) have the matching kernel modules
[04:55] <timster> what can i do?
[04:55] <karmikaze> >_> weird timster
[04:55] <karmikaze> ok Jucato
[04:55] <distro-tester> are  u a male dwidmann?
[04:55] <timster> Is there anyway i can see what it will break
[04:56] <stdin> distro-tester: well Dustin is a male name
[04:56] <manchicken> BTW #kubuntuers, fglrx for 200m blows goats.  No composite support, and xgl is too slow to do anything with.  Perhaps when the radeon driver supports 200m things will suck less.
[04:56] <distro-tester> as we can't play here what can i do whit this monster card i got?
[04:57] <dwidmann> distro-tester: funny isn't it
[04:57] <manchicken> distro-tester: You could always beg nvidia to make quality drivers.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> the 200m is a rather low end video card to begin with.
[04:57] <manchicken> Dr_willis: It's OEM with a lot of lappys these days.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> i dont expect it to do fancy 3d eye candy. :) it can barely do that stuff with windows either.
[04:57] <distro-tester> yes it is
[04:57] <Dr_willis> manchicken,  yep.. low end ..
[04:58] <Dr_willis> got one in my Turion Based Laptop.
[04:58] <distro-tester> but i would like u find a solution for who has cards as mine and 8800 what can we do whit em?
[04:58] <manchicken> Dr_willis: $1800 is low-end?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> manchicken,  you sould of done more research then..  id say ya got ripped off.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> x200 is in my $500 laptop
[04:58] <trikerr> kubuntu en espao plis
[04:59] <dwidmann> distro-tester, I've heard stories about the 8800's not working so well in LInux, even with the 9745 drive
[04:59] <manchicken> Dr_willis: It doesn't the fglrx drivers don't let you have two different resolutions for X either.  Both have to be the same resoution (screen and projector)
[04:59] <trikerr> holas me dan el link de ubuntu espaol? grasias
[04:59] <manchicken> Dr_willis: Should have.  But this thing's a 17" widescreen.  I got the screen.
[04:59] <stdin> !es | trikerr
[04:59] <ubotu> trikerr: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[04:59] <Dr_willis> cant say ive ever tried the 2 monitor outs.. ive used the tv out and lcd screen .
[04:59] <trikerr> !es
[04:59] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:00] <manchicken> The fglrx drivers just aren't worth the troule
[05:00] <Dr_willis> for normal desktop ussage  - it works fine for me. but i dont plan on needing the silly eye candy stuff.
[05:00] <distro-tester> so u advise me to $ my asus 7900GS 256 mb ddr3 that is more or less like 8800 ?
[05:00] <distro-tester> i got impression it's wasted on linux
[05:00] <manchicken> Dr_willis: Slows boot time, halts X, not worth the trouble.
[05:01] <Dr_willis> manchicken,  thats how i feel about most of the fancy 3d stuff thats going to be the 'gotta have' stuff.
[05:01] <manchicken> Same here.
[05:01] <BluesKaj> <--Ati card owner , looking at nVidia in case i decide on beryl eyecandy and still have the ability to run google earth gui's and the like
[05:02] <manchicken> I really needed the projector port to work.
[05:03] <distro-tester> well maby instead to play games that don't bring much i could start to 3d design and draw on pc they told me linux has very good programs more or less as mac windows for it is that true?
[05:03] <manchicken> I hear that the radeon driver folks are close to getting 200m support.
[05:03] <distro-tester> important they work whit mouse and u must not use keyboard to draw
[05:03] <manchicken> Maybe then it'll be worth the trouble.
[05:03] <timster> Whats the best way to install php?
[05:03] <manchicken> timster: adept
[05:04] <timster> Which packages do i need and how would I use the files with it?
[05:04] <sciulki> hello i need llink to source.list
[05:04] <distro-tester> what can u tell me on using linux for 3d drawing ?
[05:04] <manchicken> timster: php.
[05:04] <karmikaze> distro-tester: blender
[05:05] <distro-tester> can u use mouse whit it karm?
[05:05] <distro-tester> i hate to draw whit keyboard
[05:05] <karmikaze> it has a lot of key bindings
[05:05] <karmikaze> erm
[05:05] <karmikaze> its not a free hand draw thing
[05:05] <karmikaze> its 3d modelling
[05:05] <karmikaze> do you mean vector drawing?
[05:05] <karmikaze> inkscape does drawing
[05:05] <Dr_willis> you mean AutoCad type 3d?
[05:05] <distro-tester> i mean 3d drawing like anime stuff like that
[05:05] <karmikaze> anime is 2d
[05:06] <karmikaze> try inkscape distro-tester
[05:06] <karmikaze> its vectors
[05:06] <distro-tester> important linux can draw whit mouse not keyboard
[05:06] <karmikaze> i dunno what anime is done with
[05:06] <karmikaze> pens i woulda thought :P
[05:06] <karmikaze> theres no 3d studio max for linux if thats what youre after
[05:06] <timster> Can anyone recomend some nice window managers?
[05:06] <karmikaze> timster: whats your desktop priority
[05:06] <Dr_willis> timster,  google for 'window managers for X' thees a review site.
[05:06] <karmikaze> speed, prettiness, easy to use?
[05:07] <slyfox> Need help. Whenever I turn on Mplayer and try to play a video file, I have video and audio, but there is always this error message that pops up: "Requested audio codec family [mp3]  9afm=mp3lib) not available. Enable it at compaliation."   What do I do ?
[05:07] <distro-tester> so u telling me that linux supports only keyboard drawing programs not mouse as mac and win karm?
[05:07] <timster> karmikaze: I want a nice graphical one
[05:07] <karmikaze> kde if you want everything, gnome if you want it to be easy, and fluxbox if you want it to be fast. those are my votes
[05:07] <karmikaze> slyfox: get libmpeg3?
[05:07] <sciulki> hello i need llink to source.list
[05:07] <timster> If i adept fluxbox, I can I switch between it and KDe
[05:07] <karmikaze> timster: you probably want to start with kde or gnome, they are the easiest
[05:07] <karmikaze> fluxbox is ugly until you configure it
[05:07] <timster> I use KDE atm
[05:08] <karmikaze> yeah you can switch between any of them timster
[05:08] <goodthing> !easysource > sciulki
[05:08] <timster> So illa dept fluxbox
[05:08] <karmikaze> sciulki: /var/lib/dpkg/info/eclipse-source.list
[05:08] <distro-tester> diden't understand u karm my question was does linux support mouse in drawing modeling programs whatever 3d?
[05:08] <karmikaze> distro-tester: i have no idea sorry
[05:09] <timster> What media players do yall use?
[05:09] <mena> Is Kde 3.5.6 is out and not beta
[05:09] <distro-tester> o ok couse they told me linux uses just keyboard 3d programs
[05:09] <karmikaze> timster: mplayer mostly, but also xine or kaffiene for dvds
[05:09] <karmikaze> for video anyway
[05:09] <Dr_willis> distro-tester,  that would be a program specific thing in any case.
[05:09] <karmikaze> for music i use amarok and mpd
[05:10] <distro-tester> hi dr
[05:10] <timster> I installed PHP, how do i use it now?
[05:10] <distro-tester> well drawing modelling whit key is hard mouse is much better
[05:10] <distro-tester> any one knows command to see if i got flash player 9 and java installed?
[05:10] <manchicken> timster: Set it up in apache.
[05:11] <mena> i suggest Kmplayer after installing mplayer will make all media work as i gues and real audio work
[05:11] <timster> How do i do that manchicken
[05:11] <distro-tester> im bookmaring all commands for now
[05:11] <distro-tester> drwillis what command i must use in shell to check if flash player and java are installed?
[05:12] <goodthing> distro-tester: "apt-cache search sun" and find the package, then do "apt-cache policy packagename"
[05:12] <manchicken> 1 sec
[05:12] <distro-tester> ok thanx
[05:12] <distro-tester> for flash player?
[05:13] <Dr_willis> java --version or java -version :)
[05:13] <manchicken> distro-tester: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[05:13] <Dr_willis> go to youtube. see if flash works
[05:13] <manchicken> distro-tester: If you're 64-bit you'll need the 32-bit compat and a 32-bit browser.
[05:13] <goodthing> distro-tester: that's a separate repository afaik
[05:13] <distro-tester> 32 on 64
[05:14] <manchicken> then you're okay.
[05:14] <distro-tester> i had to downgrade for this reason ahah
[05:14] <manchicken> Why downgrade?
[05:14] <manchicken> I got things working just fine in 64-bit.
[05:14] <Dr_willis> I dont see much point/gains from using 64bit disrtos at this time.
[05:15] <manchicken> A little trickier to set up, but not that hard.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> and a lot of little hassles.
[05:15] <manchicken> Dr_willis: Because it makes me better than all of these peasant 32-bit users ;)
[05:15] <manchicken> heh
[05:15] <Dr_willis> untill you want to run somthing.. and cant...
[05:15] <manchicken> Like what though?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> been there, done that... needed to get work done.. went back to 32bit.
[05:15] <manchicken> I haven't really had that much trouble.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> it all depends on your specific needs.
[05:16] <manchicken> If you want to run cedega or wine a lot, then I guess you'd have problems...
[05:16] <chuen> Hi. Does anyone have any experinec of libmp3lame? I checket adpet and it's not on my machine. I d/loaded lame from sourceforge and it include that library, but I don't know whether I have to compile it or anything.
[05:16] <manchicken> Dunno.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> well bbl
[05:16] <manchicken> I avoid non-free software.
[05:16] <timster> Flash is nonfree
[05:17] <manchicken> timster: It's the only player.  Not easy to avoid.
[05:17] <distro-tester> later
[05:17] <timster> lol
[05:17] <manchicken> timster: Especially when you work for an ad company.
[05:17] <timster> xD
[05:17] <manchicken> timster: But vmware is quite easy to avoid.
[05:17] <mena> jucato, are you here
[05:17] <timster> I have a prob with flash. On you tube videos its very jumpy. I think its because I havent got Graphics card drivers
[05:18] <manchicken> I use flash just fine on xorg ATI drivers.
[05:18] <timster> But i cant install the drivers because it saus break.
[05:18] <Aarthas> hi
[05:18] <mena> jucato, how can i use kde 3.5.6 on the current kubuntu i am using
[05:18] <manchicken> timster: Have you upgraded to the most recent version of the flash drivers?
[05:18] <timster> Yeah
[05:18] <Aarthas> can anyone help me with my WLAN problems?
[05:18] <bxnp> what problems do you have Aarthas
[05:18] <timster> Dya know wny i cant install nvidia drivers
[05:19] <manchicken> Aarthas: What wlan device?
[05:19] <timster> What could be conflicting
[05:19] <manchicken> timster: Not quite sure.  Try installing on the commandline and see if it gives you any more information.
[05:19] <timster> What do I need to enter on the command line?
[05:19] <manchicken> !apt-get
[05:20] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:20] <manchicken> Read that howto
[05:20] <vincas> Hi
[05:20] <Aarthas> I cant connect to my WLAN using WPA encryption... I've tried to download the requierd packages but it tells me "package not found"
[05:20] <bxnp> oke
[05:20] <manchicken> Aarthas: What package?
[05:20] <vincas> What wireless card would you recommend?
[05:20] <Aarthas> sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager network-manager wpasupplicant
[05:20] <manchicken> vincas: FSF has a nice list of cards
[05:21] <manchicken> vincas: Let me grab that for you.
[05:21] <Aarthas> I've benn told to use, and that's what i typed...
[05:21] <bxnp> its wpa_supplicant
[05:21] <manchicken> vincas: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html
[05:21] <Aarthas> ik, but it didnt find any of the packages
[05:21] <Aarthas> *ok'
[05:21] <aspedia> hello all
[05:21] <karmikaze> vincas: im after the same answer
[05:21] <aspedia> can someone hellp me to get an usb- headset running?
[05:21] <timster> Is it just sudo apt-get nvidia-glx
[05:21] <manchicken> karmikaze: Read that fsf.org link I just put in there.
[05:22] <manchicken> timster:
[05:22] <aspedia> When I do usbview then it is okay
[05:22] <manchicken> timster: Yeah.
[05:22] <bxnp> sorry
[05:22] <aspedia> but i dont get sound on the headset
[05:22] <aspedia> can someone help?
[05:22] <timster> : Invalid operation nvidia-glx
[05:22] <bxnp> sorry Aarthas, its wpasupplicant the command to execute is wpa_supplicant
[05:22] <Aarthas> ok
[05:22] <bxnp> anyway i think you have to enable other sources
[05:22] <manchicken> timster: Sorry, apt-get install
[05:22] <timster> Ah
[05:23] <manchicken> timster: `sudo apt-get install PACKAGE`
[05:23] <karmikaze> also with wpa, dont have ! in your password...
[05:23] <karmikaze> it doesnt like that at all :P
[05:23] <PiNE> i am having a tough time with java. it is installed but neither firefox or konqueror seem to recognize it. maybe i forgot some small step, any ideas?
[05:23] <Aarthas> but what do i do when the terminal tells me it cant find knetworkmanager, network-manager or wpasupplicant?
[05:24] <manchicken> !nvidia | timster
[05:24] <ubotu> timster: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:24] <bxnp> which repo has the wpasupplicant package uys
[05:24] <stdin> PiNE: install "sun-java5-plugin"
[05:24] <manchicken> timster: Look at that.
[05:24] <aspedia> !headset
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about headset - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <timster> k
[05:24] <karmikaze> i dont think wpasupp has a special one...
[05:24] <bxnp> anwyay did you change your sources list wheb afther you installed Aarthas
[05:25] <Aarthas> i don't think that i've done anything with it since i installed, i'm a linux newb :)
[05:25] <vincas> thanks
[05:25] <bxnp> oke well then you have to enable the multiverse and universe repo's
[05:25] <bxnp> !multiverse
[05:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:26] <bxnp> check out the link Aarthas
[05:26] <Aarthas> ok
[05:26] <Aarthas> thanks
[05:27] <stdin> knetworkmanager, network-manager and wpasupplicant should all be in main
[05:27] <bxnp> oh
[05:27] <bxnp> that is strange
[05:28] <bxnp> well he needs the other repo's anyway
[05:28] <bxnp> but Aarthas
[05:28] <bxnp> what happends if you do apt-get install wpasupplicant
[05:28] <extern> is there any way of getting wine sound to work with ALSA? It uses OSS and they can't play together at once :S
[05:28] <bxnp> first do apt-get update
[05:29] <stdin> extern: try setting it to use alsa in winecfg
[05:29] <PiNE> stdin: yep that works, although it says that i am running an old version of java.
[05:30] <Aarthas> bxnp, apt-get dowsn't workeither
[05:30] <bxnp> strange
[05:30] <bxnp> you do use sudo
[05:30] <bxnp> sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[05:30] <stdin> PiNE: which version are you running/want to run?
[05:30] <extern> stdin: it only hass OSS driver option
[05:31] <Aarthas> but I've only tried once, 'cause I have to plug out mycomputer with wired lan to get internet acces for kubuntu...
[05:31] <Aarthas> I'll be right back @ kubuntu instead of WinXP
[05:32] <stdin> extern: hmm, maybe the guys on #winehq will know how to help, I don't really use it much
[05:33] <PiNE> stdin: it is all perfect. the computer will update it if it needs to. thanks for the help.
[05:33] <stdin> PiNE: no problem :)
[05:33] <fzalfa> hello
[05:33] <fzalfa> i need a little help
[05:33] <fzalfa> i'm new with kunbuntu
[05:33] <bxnp> we all need fzalfa
[05:34] <bxnp> yes nice
[05:34] <bxnp> and what do you think of it
[05:34] <fzalfa> and i llok for the root default password
[05:34] <fzalfa> i think it's cool
[05:34] <bxnp> you look for the default root password
[05:34] <stdin> fzalfa: there is no root password, use sudo
[05:34] <fzalfa> i have install an old versio n the 5.04
[05:34] <bxnp> kubuntu uses sudo
[05:34] <fzalfa> yes
[05:34] <fzalfa> ha ok
[05:34] <stdin> !sudo
[05:34] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:34] <stdin> fzalfa: for more info ^^
[05:35] <fzalfa> when i do a sudo it request a password
[05:35] <bxnp> yes type your own passward
[05:35] <stdin> fzalfa: yes, you use _your_ password
[05:35] <bxnp> the password you created as user
[05:35] <fzalfa> in fact i want to mount a nfs folder shared on my sgi
[05:35] <fzalfa> i try with my password, and it's refused
[05:35] <bxnp> your user is a memeber of the sudoers wich are allowed to run program wich superuser privaliges
[05:36] <BluesKaj> stdin, i have this message in the terminal when i open it . "bash: ...: command not found"  ...any idea how to get rid of it ..it's annoying
[05:36] <fzalfa> i don"t know i just start it for the first time
[05:36] <timster> I tried to save to var/www/ but it sais i can't, is there anyway i can cahnge this?
[05:36] <bxnp> fzalfa: open the konsole
[05:37] <stdin> BluesKaj: you see that when ever you open a term ?
[05:37] <fzalfa> yep done
[05:37] <ace> Hi all
[05:37] <bxnp> now wich program do you want to run as root
[05:37] <fzalfa> hi ace
[05:37] <Dr_willis> timster,  you got to root, or have the right permissions to write to that dir.
[05:38] <fzalfa> mount
[05:38] <ace> What package is kwrite in? what do i have to install to get kwrite?
[05:38] <BluesKaj> yes stdin
[05:38] <ace> !kwrite
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kwrite - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <timster> I am a root, i think, how can i change my permissions?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !find kwrite
[05:38] <ubotu> File kwrite found in kate, kde4base, kdebase-dbg
[05:38] <Dr_willis> timster,  thats a scary thing you just said...
[05:38] <admin1> ...
[05:38] <ace> i uninstalled some stuff which i thought was junk and now nothing works
[05:38] <ace> oh i see
[05:38] <ace> no wait
[05:38] <bxnp> or you could do sudo -s fzalfa
[05:38] <admin1> (distraction) I just installed kubuntu; and I cant log in as root
[05:38] <Dr_willis> timster,  save the file somwhere. then i suggest installing 'mc' and using 'sudo mc' then copy the files over to where they need to go. Or learning to use the shell.
[05:39] <bxnp> !sudo
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:39] <Dr_willis> admin1,  thats a FAQ! :)
[05:39] <admin1> I type in su
[05:39] <admin1> it asks for password
[05:39] <ace> try "sudo su"
[05:39] <admin1> I put in the password I used to log in
[05:39] <stdin> BluesKaj: check in ~/.bashrc for "..."
[05:39] <bxnp> admin1: look at the link
[05:39] <ace> then type the password
[05:39] <timster> Dr_willis: i can use the shell ok, whats MC?
[05:39] <ace> no wait, its sudo -s
[05:39] <Dr_willis> !info mc
[05:39] <stdin> admin1: sudo -i
[05:39] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[05:39] <ace> sudo -s
[05:39] <bxnp> !sudo admin1
[05:39] <ubotu> sudo: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 396 kB
[05:39] <Dr_willis> timster,  then use the shell.. sudo cp whatever /var/whatever
[05:39] <timster> kk
[05:39] <admin1> erm; that worked
[05:40] <admin1> but I'd like to change the root password
[05:40] <extern> what exactly does alsa-oss package do?
[05:40] <bxnp> there is no rootpassword
[05:40] <Dr_willis> thats a Linux 101 test. :) if you know how to set the root password.. then you pass...
[05:40] <bxnp> admin1:
[05:40] <BluesKaj> ~/.bashrc has nothing in it , stdin
[05:40] <fzalfa> it's mounted, i don"t know how, but it's mounted
[05:40] <fzalfa> thkx for the help bXi
[05:40] <stdin> admin1: if you look at the link, it will tell you how to set up rott
[05:40] <fzalfa> thkx for the help bxnp
[05:40] <stdin> admin1: *root
[05:41] <bxnp> what are the program installed fzalfa
[05:41] <ace> extern: lets oss stuff work using alsa, i used to have to do "aoss firefox" to get sound in flash to work right
[05:41] <Dr_willis> its best to learn to use the sudo method.  from a 'security' standpoint.. and yes this has been argued to death in the forums and so forth.
[05:41] <bxnp> oh sorry fzalfa yes np
[05:41] <stdin> BluesKaj: have you checked if it happens with other users too ?
[05:41] <crazy_penguin> hello!
[05:41] <johny454> hi, may I ask a question?
[05:41] <extern> so it may work with wine. got to try it
[05:41] <stdin> !as | johny454
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about as - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <stdin> !ask | johny454
[05:41] <ubotu> johny454: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:42] <BluesKaj> no other users on this pc , stdin
[05:42] <hatta> hi, may I ask to ask a question?
[05:42] <hatta> er, may I ask to ask to ask a question?
[05:42] <fzalfa> bxnp, what programm installed ?
[05:42] <bxnp> no sorry, i made a mistake
[05:42] <johny454> I have a problem with Kubuntu, it doesn't restart nor shutdown automatically
[05:42] <stdin> BluesKaj: ahh, then there may be something in /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile
[05:42] <Aarthas> bxnp: now I'm @ kubuntu, when i type sudo apt-get wpasupplicant it says E:Felaktig operation wpasupplicant
[05:42] <stdin> hatta: ask away
[05:43] <bxnp> sudo apt-get install wpasupplicant
[05:43] <extern> nope, aoss doesn't work with wine
[05:43] <BluesKaj> ok stdin , i have /etc/bash.bashrc open ...what do i look for ?
[05:44] <bxnp> Aarthas: and now
[05:44] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's saying that the command "..." isn't found, so look for a line with "..." on it, without a '#' before it
[05:44] <Aarthas> it says that it has the latest version already...
[05:44] <bxnp> good
[05:44] <johny454> hi, may I ask a question?
[05:44] <bxnp> but first do sudo apt-get update Aarthas
[05:45] <JackBandit> I am trying to rip a dvd. Well I tried useing dvdshrink and dvddecode which both show no dvd devices, I also tried dvdrip and acid rip but the .mpg and .avi will not play on mplayer or movie player. I want to rip the dvd I have and burn a copy of it. Can anyone please helpme
[05:45] <johny454> I've got a problem with Kubuntu - it doesn't restart nor shutdown automatically i have to do it by myself
[05:45] <Dr_willis> sounds like a powermanager/apci/ issue
[05:45] <Aarthas> unable to lock the administrator directory...
[05:46] <johny454> I've already done what's written on Kubuntu's forum, but it still doesn't work
[05:47] <johny454> Dr_willis: Can you help?
[05:47] <hyper_ch> hiho, if I have used 4 primary partitions on one disk, can I still create logical ones or do I need to remove first a primary one?
[05:47] <BluesKaj> stdin, i used this page:( http://www.peterbe.com/Disable-Caps-Lock-in-Linux)   , to defeat the capslock on the KB ..I think these commands are the cause
[05:47] <Aarthas> bxnp: cant pm, im not registred
[05:47] <bxnp> oke
[05:47] <bxnp> anyway you did use sudo apt-get update
[05:47] <Dr_willis> johny454,  not much i can do to help. it can widely depend on your specific machine/motherboard/chipset
[05:48] <Aarthas> yep
[05:48] <Aarthas> this time it said "done"
[05:48] <stdin> hyper_ch: there can only be 4 primary partitions, you need to remove one to make an extended one, and create logical ones in there
[05:48] <bxnp> oke
[05:48] <hyper_ch> stdin: oh ok
[05:48] <hyper_ch> thx
[05:48] <bxnp>  do sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:49] <Aarthas> done
[05:49] <stdin> BluesKaj: yeah, just remove the "..." under "xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock", then it should be fine
[05:49] <bxnp> what do you mean done
[05:49] <johny454> Dr_willis: Ok, I've got a laptop, it's difficult to recognize.I'd say it's an asus model but produced by different factory..
[05:49] <bxnp> did you run this command already before
[05:49] <Aarthas> that i've done as you said
[05:49] <bxnp> what does the konsole tell you
[05:50] <Aarthas> Lser paketlistor... Frdigt.
[05:50] <hyper_ch> stdin: is there something you don't know about computers?
[05:50] <karmikaze> ick i get that nvidia-glx BROKEN thing now too :/
[05:50] <Aarthas> Bygger beroendetrd... Frdigt
[05:50] <stdin> hyper_ch: I'm sure there is :)
[05:50] <Dr_willis> johny454,  with a laptop - these issues are common.
[05:50] <bxnp> that i can not read lol
[05:50] <Aarthas> I know, frdig means completed or done
[05:50] <bxnp> does it ask you to download packages Aarthas
[05:50] <Dr_willis> johny454,  id say do some googling for the specific laptop make and linux. and see if others use it.
[05:50] <Aarthas> no
[05:51] <bxnp> oke
[05:51] <Aarthas> it says that i've got the latest version
[05:51] <johny454> Dr_willis: Ok but what's this one about?
[05:51] <johny454> Dr_willis: Ok, I will
[05:51] <JackBandit>  I am trying to rip a dvd. Well I tried useing dvdshrink and dvddecode which both show no dvd devices, I also tried dvdrip and acid rip but the .mpg and .avi will not play on mplayer or movie player. I want to rip the dvd I have and burn a copy of it. Can anyone please helpme
[05:51] <bxnp> do sudo apt-get install  knetworkmanager
[05:52] <dwidmann> JackBandit: try dvd::rip
[05:52] <dwidmann> or wait, you did
[05:52] <johny454> Dr_willis: I had Debian before, on the same computer. Never had problems of this matter though
[05:52] <dwidmann> wait, it wouldn't play in mplayer, that's wack ...
[05:52] <Aarthas> couldn't fins package knetworkmanager
[05:52] <Dr_willis> johny454,  its a matter of kernel versions/updates/patches and apci updates/patches
[05:52] <Aarthas> *find
[05:53] <Dr_willis> johny454,  and the next release of ubuntu may fix it as well..
[05:53] <JackBandit> dwidmann: yeah, I have tried it... but neither the .mpg or .avi will play in mplayer either and I would hate to burn a bunk dvd and waste a disk to find out if it's working
[05:53] <bxnp> wich version of kubuntu are you running anyway Aarthas
[05:53] <bxnp> do this Aarthas apt-cache search networkmanager |more
[05:53] <johny454> Dr_willis: Should i try to compile my Kernel?
[05:53] <Aarthas> Dapper
[05:53] <BluesKaj> right on , stdin .. it worked , thx
[05:54] <dwidmann> JackBandit: try installing libxine-extracodecs and then see if they'll play in kaffeine
[05:54] <stdin> BluesKaj: you're welcome :)
[05:54] <bxnp> could you paste the output in pastebin
[05:54] <karmikaze> damn who else had that nvidia-glx problem
[05:54] <nuxil> YAY
[05:54] <karmikaze> ah timster
[05:54] <JackBandit> dwidmann: I will try that now and see what happens, thank you
[05:54] <Aarthas> how do i copy/paste from konsole?
[05:54] <karmikaze> you figure out anything to do about glx?
[05:54] <Aarthas> i found
[05:54] <Aarthas> it myself :)
[05:54] <nuxil> i got problems with nvidia drivers karmikaze
[05:54] <johny454> Dr_willis: Thanks for all the infos :)
[05:55] <karmikaze> whats your nuxil? glx broken?
[05:55] <gianlux89cs> salve ho un problema l'hard dish esterno lo inserisco tramite usb e nn esiste ..aiutatemi grazi mentre la pendrive funziona..
[05:55] <nuxil> karmikaze, what version are you trying out and what card are you using
[05:55] <karmikaze> fx5200, using lupine repos
[05:55] <bxnp> what did you find
[05:55] <BluesKaj> !es | gianlux89cs
[05:55] <ubotu> gianlux89cs: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:55] <stdin> !it | gianlux89cs
[05:55] <ubotu> gianlux89cs: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:55] <stdin> heh, I was too slow that time :)
[05:55] <karmikaze> candidate version 1.0.9746
[05:56] <BluesKaj> i think you got the lingo right tho stdin :)
[05:56] <nuxil> hmm i got gforce 8800 and my drivers behave like a old geforce 1 card.. everything is lagging on my desktop when i move the windowsed
[05:56] <Aarthas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3595/
[05:56] <nuxil> karmikaze, i got the same driver,.,. i dont think you should use that one.. you shold use a 7xxx driver
[05:56] <stdin> BluesKaj: just a guess from the /whois, tho es and it do look alike
[05:57] <karmikaze> no idea nuxil it worked this morning, now its broken >_>
[05:57] <nuxil> what does your Xorg logsay?
[05:57] <Bxnp-> man there is something wrong with your sources
[05:57] <Bxnp-> could you paste this file in pastebin
[05:58] <nuxil> karmikaze, maybe a missmatch between kernel driver version and the glx version
[05:58] <karmikaze> yes nuxil
[05:58] <karmikaze> so i uninstalled both
[05:58] <karmikaze> then when i went to reinstall
[05:58] <nuxil> hah
[05:58] <karmikaze> glx broken
[05:58] <nuxil> no do this
[05:58] <nuxil> install your kernel headers
[05:58] <Aarthas> Bxnp http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3595/
[05:58] <nuxil> then grap the drivers form nvidia.com
[05:58] <karmikaze> kernel headers?
[05:59] <karmikaze> meh nvidia....
[05:59] <karmikaze> i added the repo to avoid their site
[05:59] <nuxil> that what i did on my gforce 6600
[05:59] <Bxnp->  please paste the content of this file /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin
[05:59] <karmikaze> ok
[05:59] <nuxil> i had that issue
[05:59] <karmikaze> what do i do with kernel headers?
[05:59] <nuxil> the nvida driver needs to build the driver.. and is looking for the kernel headers
[05:59] <nuxil> *erm the nvidia run pak
[06:00] <Bxnp-> Aarthas: do you know how to open the file
[06:00] <Aarthas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3596/
[06:00] <nuxil> karmikaze, i also uninstall all nvidia and glx that i installed with pat
[06:00] <Aarthas> i missed your comment :)
[06:00] <karmikaze> pat?
[06:00] <nuxil> *apt
[06:01] <Bxnp->  please paste the content of this file /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin Aarthas
[06:01] <Aarthas> yes, its on http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3596/...
[06:01] <Aarthas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3596/ without the dots
[06:01] <nuxil> karmikaze, you can also try visit #nvidia
[06:01] <karmikaze> ok
[06:01] <karmikaze> everyone is just going to suggest doing things i dont really understand tho lol
[06:02] <karmikaze> somehow it all just magically worked through apt on my laptop
[06:02] <nuxil> hehe
[06:02] <nuxil> let me gues
[06:02] <Bxnp-> lol Aarthas
[06:02] <nuxil> it worked ubntil you reboted
[06:02] <Bxnp-> oke i have your problem
[06:02] <nuxil> *until
[06:02] <karmikaze> heh i havent even tried rebooting yet
[06:02] <karmikaze> i dare not
[06:02] <karmikaze> lest i lose X completely
[06:02] <nuxil> what does this say
[06:02] <Bxnp-> remove every # wich is infront of the word deb
[06:02] <nuxil> rmmod nvidia
[06:02] <nuxil> then modprobe nvidia
[06:03] <Bxnp-> remove every # wich is infront of the word deb Aarthas
[06:03] <Aarthas> ok
[06:03] <Bxnp-> Aarthas: then do sudo apt-get update again
[06:03] <timster> karmikaze: did you fix the problem?
[06:04] <GodFinger> !amarok
[06:04] <karmikaze> nope timster everyone says go to nvidia and get the driverr though
[06:04] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.4 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[06:04] <timster> :(
[06:04] <timster> !xmms
[06:04] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[06:04] <timster> !info xmms
[06:04] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10+cvs20060429-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1085 kB, installed size 7248 kB
[06:06] <Bxnp-> Aarthas: how far are you
[06:06] <Aarthas> now i'm updating..
[06:06] <Aarthas> now it finished
[06:06] <Bxnp-> oke
[06:06] <Bxnp-> now do
[06:06] <Bxnp-> sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:07] <Bxnp-> if everything is correct you will see a lot off updates
[06:07] <Bxnp-> just type yes, so we bring your box to the latest packages
[06:07] <Aarthas> yep, an icon said that there were 102 updates available
[06:07] <Bxnp-> cool
[06:07] <Aarthas> and now it updates
[06:07] <Bxnp-> oke thats it
[06:08] <Bxnp-> then install the program's wich you want afther the upgrade
[06:08] <Bxnp-> if you need help configurating your wpa just call my name
[06:08] <Aarthas> thanks :)
[06:08] <Aarthas> btw, apt-get or adept? when i get the programs?
[06:08] <kamla> hi
[06:09] <Bxnp-> adpet is a gui front-ed for apt-get
[06:09] <Aarthas> ok
[06:09] <karmikaze> !nvidia
[06:09] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:09] <Bxnp-> so if you run in kde you could use adept
[06:09] <timster> !yaST
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yaST - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <karmikaze> lol
[06:09] <karmikaze> thats suse timster
[06:09] <Bxnp-> but on the console or terminal you use apt-blablabl
[06:09] <timster> Damn
[06:09] <Aarthas> ok
[06:09] <timster> Gota go
[06:09] <timster> Cya
[06:09] <Aarthas> !widescreen
[06:09] <timster> Cheers for the hel[
[06:09] <timster> help*
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about widescreen - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <Aarthas> bye
[06:09] <timster> !lol
[06:10] <Bxnp-> bye where are you going
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lol - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <karmikaze> garrrr
[06:10] <karmikaze> OHOH
[06:10] <karmikaze> all of a sudden the versions match in adept for glx and kernel
[06:10] <karmikaze> >_>
[06:11] <Aarthas> btw, how do i change the resolution, in the options i can only choose 1024x768, but i want 1280x800, is there a possibility to use widescreen in kde?
[06:11] <karmikaze> oh no.. its the source
[06:11] <karmikaze> bah
[06:14] <BluesKaj> Aarthas,  have you tried admin mode in Monitor&Display?
[06:14] <Aarthas> in system settings?
[06:14] <karmikaze> ... the packages work on my laptop. same ones @_@
[06:16] <Aarthas> :)
[06:16] <karmikaze> nuxil: can you link me to the nvidia download page i need please. my connection sucks
[06:17] <cpk1> karmikaze: you dont need to get the nvidia binary to install nvidia drivers
[06:17] <mena> What Is kde level
[06:17] <BluesKaj> yes Aarthas in sys/settings
[06:17] <karmikaze> cpk1: everyone tells me i do. i get BROKEN in adept when i try and install glx now
[06:17] <mena> kde-level
[06:17] <mena> !kde-level
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-level - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:18] <cpk1> karmikaze: apt-get -f install
[06:18] <karmikaze> ok
[06:18] <cpk1> and what does it say is broken?
[06:18] <karmikaze> oh it installed that time
[06:18] <karmikaze> adept said BROKEN
[06:18] <karmikaze> instead of installed
[06:18] <karmikaze> as its status
[06:18] <karmikaze> its seems ok now
[06:18] <karmikaze> i removed everything then did kernel first, then glx
[06:19] <Aarthas> BluesKaj: is it safe to set it on 1280x800 if i'm sure that it supports it? The sync rate and stuff wont mess it up?
[06:19] <cpk1> what card do you have karmikaze?
[06:19] <karmikaze> fx5200
[06:19] <mena> juano__, What Is kde-level
[06:19] <karmikaze> all my issues started when i tried to run glxgears and they said there was a kernel/glx mismatch
[06:19] <karmikaze> after i added the lupine repos today
[06:19] <karmikaze> i need to reboot and see if this is stable...
[06:20] <slyfox> Anyone here uses kontact ?
[06:20] <Aarthas> well, will test the wlan now, bye
[06:21] <cpk1> karmikaze: why didnt you just follow these instructions? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:21] <karmikaze> i wanted to install beryl
[06:21] <karmikaze> my nvidia was properly installed and working this morning :P
[06:24] <mena> karmikaze, Go here #ubuntu-xgl
[06:24] <karmikaze> im there mena lol
[06:25] <mena> karmikaze, ok no pro
[06:25] <karmikaze> i guess its just because im expecting it to work this way... should really learn to lower my expectations X-P
[06:26] <Alzi2> Does anyone know of a good note-taking application for Kubuntu?
[06:26] <karmikaze> knotes
[06:27] <karmikaze> wait, what kinda notes
[06:27] <karmikaze> >_>
[06:27] <manchicken> emacs
[06:27] <karmikaze> post it notes?
[06:27] <karmikaze> vim
[06:27] <Alzi2> no, not post it notes
[06:27] <karmikaze> <3
[06:27] <karmikaze> lol
[06:27] <Alzi2> just.. general notes, like recipes and stuff..
[06:27] <genii> if you don't need stickies then knote works fine
[06:27] <manchicken> there's a recipe proggy
[06:27] <Alzi2> recipes was just an example
[06:28] <Alzi2> for many things..
[06:28] <karmikaze> knotes i use
[06:28] <Alzi2> recipes, lists of bands, list of things..
[06:28] <karmikaze> you can close the note and it keeps a record of them
[06:28] <Alzi2> but knotes are post-it notes...
[06:28] <karmikaze> rename them save them etc
[06:28] <Alzi2> they show up on your desktop, and i find that unhandy
[06:28] <karmikaze> they are pretty versitile
[06:28] <karmikaze> you can hide them
[06:28] <Taime1> is there not a way to change desktop themes in kubuntu?
[06:28] <karmikaze> and the note is still there
[06:28] <Alzi2> but i want to keep my notes
[06:28] <karmikaze> yeah
[06:28] <Alzi2> so i can search my pile of notes later
[06:28] <Aarthas>  It doesn't find any WLAN at all...
[06:28] <karmikaze> they stay always Alzi2
[06:29] <karmikaze> you click the task bar and it shows all the notes
[06:29] <Alzi2> yeah, but if you press the tray icon then..
[06:29] <Alzi2> all the notes pop up
[06:29] <karmikaze> oooh really?
[06:29] <karmikaze> i never tried that :P
[06:29] <karmikaze> i just select one note to show at a time
[06:29] <Aarthas> but wireless assistand does...
[06:29] <Alzi2> but i want to organise my notes into categories
[06:29] <Alzi2> this is my needs:
[06:30] <Aarthas> got to eat, will try to fix it later...
[06:30] <Alzi2> A note-taking application that i can write my notes on, categorize (or tag) them, and later on retrieve em or search for em
[06:30] <Alzi2> I want to be able to post pictures into it, and links...
[06:30] <karmikaze> dunno anything like that
[06:30] <Alzi2> i've seen basket, but...
[06:30] <karmikaze> the web :P
[06:30] <karmikaze> blog
[06:30] <karmikaze> heh
[06:30] <Alzi2> i really don't know how to use basket, it's SO complicated
[06:30] <Taime1> is there a way to change themes in kubuntu?
[06:30] <karmikaze> yes Taime1 kcontrol
[06:30] <Alzi2> karmikaze: Can you keep notes on the web?
[06:31] <Taime1> its not in there
[06:31] <karmikaze> yes it is
[06:31] <extern> how can I change the button for moving windows? it's currently 'alt'
[06:31] <Taime1> what is it under?
[06:31] <karmikaze> are you in kde? what are you trying to change Taime1
[06:31] <karmikaze> background? window decorations or styles?
[06:31] <Taime1> im trying to install some themes i downloaded
[06:31] <Taime1> in all other distros, there is an actual theme section
[06:32] <Taime1> but there doesnt seem to be one in kubuntu
[06:32] <karmikaze> you mean in gnome there is theme selection
[06:32] <Alzi2> Is there a way to keep all your notes, and general stuff... on the web?
[06:32] <Taime1> no... in kde in other distros
[06:32] <Taime1> there is an actual "themes" section in kcontrol
[06:32] <hatta> Alzi2, try a wiki
[06:32] <Alzi2> Taime1: Go to the part of interest in the 'appearance' part of the 'system configuration', and install it there
[06:32] <Alzi2> hatta: A wiki?
[06:32] <Alzi2> hatta: A personal wiki? how?
[06:33] <hatta> http://www.wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki
[06:33] <manchicken> wow, krecipes kinda ROCKS
[06:34] <Taime1> so there just isnt a way to install themes?
[06:34] <hatta> Alzi2, there are any number of easy to use wikis
[06:34] <Alzi2> hmm.. tiddlywiki seems nice
[06:34] <Alzi2> hatta: Tell me of one
[06:34] <Alzi2> The one you think is best
[06:34] <karmikaze> hrmm there used to be a themes page...
[06:34] <Taime1> such as ones i retrieved from kdelook.org?
[06:35] <karmikaze> on the new kcontrol system i dunno where its been hidden
[06:35] <Taime1> isnt that strange karmikaze?
[06:35] <cpk1> Alzi2: knotes doesnt let you do that stuff?
[06:35] <karmikaze> cos i know i used to save my themes
[06:35] <Alzi2> cpk1: no
[06:35] <hatta> Alzi2, it's been a while since I've looked at wikis
[06:35] <Taime1> sorry if i sounded rude earlier, its just that i was staring right at it
[06:36] <Taime1> maybe they did a way with it in edgy?
[06:36] <hatta> I think I used instiki
[06:36] <karmikaze> its a kde thing, with this version of kde kcontrol is set up this way
[06:36] <cpk1> Alzi2: rhinote?
[06:37] <Taime1> dangit, i found some good eyecandy too!
[06:37] <Alzi2> cpk1: rhinote? what's that?
[06:38] <karmikaze> if you like eyecandy Taime1 get superkaramba
[06:38] <Taime1> ive used it, but i didnt like it very much
[06:38] <cpk1> Alzi2: some virtual desktop note thing, never used it, just suggesting maybe you want to look into it
[06:38] <Alzi2> Guys, what is so good about knotes?
[06:38] <Taime1> i just like transpearancy a lot
[06:38] <Taime1> hehe
[06:38] <Taime1> and nice fading colors
[06:38] <karmikaze> heh yeah
[06:38] <d0dge-> How do I install fonts to use them in Konsole? I was thinking something like xterm's font. Can't install bitmaps in Konsole font section
[06:43] <GodFinger> !kimdaba
[06:43] <ubotu> kimdaba: KDE tool for indexing, searching and viewing images by keywords. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1-1ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 11261 kB, installed size 14488 kB
[06:43] <Alzi2> but... why take a note in knote, in less than a month it'll be completely cluttered, right?
[06:45] <ciro> hi all
[06:45] <ciro> who knows games for linux? something like enemy territory etc
[06:45] <GodFinger> True Combat Elite
[06:45] <GodFinger> an et mod
[06:45] <stdin> !games
[06:45] <hatta> nexuiz, tremulous, warsow
[06:45] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[06:46] <hatta> all kick ass
[06:46] <stdin> good place to look ^
[06:46] <orient2000> .
[06:47] <Alzi2> Guys, where to find the website of knotes?
[06:47] <Alzi2> !knotes
[06:47] <ubotu> knotes: KDE sticky notes. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 241 kB, installed size 836 kB
[06:47] <mena> any idea about kde-look....bec i dowenload the a style and in the site he wrote (theowner) requair kde-level
[06:47] <mena> sorry kde-look>>>kde-level
[06:48] <Alzi2> Why make notes stick to your workspace?
[06:48] <stdin> kde-level ? or kde-devel ?
[06:49] <mena> ha
[06:49] <mena> kde-level
[06:51] <stdin> never heard of it
[06:51] <orient2000> Hi! Did you guys look at Vista. I just wonder how slow is it?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> I hear a 3-10% reductionin FPS in most 3d games
[06:52] <Dr_willis> and some other 'breakage' in some areas as well.
[06:54] <mena> Dr_wilis, do you have any idea a bout kde-level
[06:54] <Dr_willis> never heard of it.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> kde-devel - would be the devloper packages
[06:55] <mena> Dr_wilis, a style to install it requaire kde-level
[06:55] <Dr_willis> and since most styles are 'compiled' i would guess he did a typo
[06:56] <mena> Dr_wilis, yes he gives notes to make install and configure and somthing like that
[06:56] <Dr_willis> install all the various kde developer files. and build-essential and try to compile the thing.
[06:56] <GodFinger> i guess knotes is in kdeedu?
[06:56] <mena> Dr_wilis, okay
[06:56] <Dr_willis> mena,  if you dont know how to compile things from source... well..... guess ya gotta learn somewhere.
[06:56] <LjL> i usually install kdelibs-dev to compile
[06:56] <mena> Dr_wilis, Where
[06:56] <GodFinger> --- instqalling nexuiz ---
[06:56] <GodFinger> jeheee!
[06:56] <Dr_willis> !source
[06:56] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[06:56] <Dr_willis> hmm..
[06:56] <Dr_willis> !compile
[06:56] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:57] <mena> Dr_wilis, in nay way he gives ne the notes with steps so i think it will be easy
[06:57] <Dr_willis> good luck. :)
[06:57] <Dr_willis> if he cant even get the dependencies right... well...
[06:57] <LjL> i think i'll add pointers to the KDE and GNOME dev packages to that page
[06:57] <mena> you too and thanks
[06:58] <Dr_willis> i wonder if kde4 - will make this themeing stuff any easier..
[06:59] <d0dge-> Where I could find "9x15.pcf.gz" and how do I install it to using it on Konsole?
[06:59] <mena> Dr_wilis, i hope
[06:59] <cefx> Hey.  Is there any app out there native to KDE, or more preferably a terminal based app, to scan for things like keyloggers and other local malicious tools?
[07:00] <cefx> I was just told by a fellow student to "watch out" typing passwords on the machine I now run... QQ
[07:00] <LjL> to compile GNOME apps, you need gnome-devel - to compile KDE apps, you need kde-devel. i suppose this is right?
[07:00] <LjL> Ubotu, tell cefx about chkrootkit | cefx, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:00] <mena> Dr_wilis, hpw can i install kde 3.5.6 or upgrade to it or i must to dowenload kubuntu 6.10 again and it will have kde3.5.6 in it
[07:00] <LjL> Ubotu, tell cefx about rkhunder | cefx, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rkhunder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <hans> why does K3b ignore my request to only burn at 4x?
[07:00] <LjL> Ubotu, tell cefx about rkhunter | cefx, see the private message from Ubotu
[07:00] <cefx> thanks LjL, waiting for a pm :P
[07:01] <LjL> cefx: not getting them?
[07:01] <cefx> ah there they are
[07:01] <stdin> mena: are you running edgy ?
[07:01] <mena> stdin, yes
[07:01] <cefx> ljL: would that cover any keyloggers too?
[07:01] <mena> stdin,but with kde 3.5.5
[07:02] <LjL> cefx: some of them, i guess - the ones that are generally used maliciously i suppose. none of that software is quite perfect, for sure
[07:02] <LjL> the only keylogger that i know to be available in ubuntu is
[07:02] <LjL> !lkl
[07:02] <ubotu> lkl: userspace keylogger for x86 architecture. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.1-1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386)
[07:02] <LjL> so perhaps install that and see if those programs can detect it. i doubt it somehow
[07:02] <Eruantalon> why does K3b ignore my request to only burn at 4x?
[07:02] <cefx> ok
[07:03] <cefx> LjL: these are grad students too, so i'm sure they'd love to mess with an undergrad :P
[07:03] <Eruantalon> It keeps burning at 35x to 40x... I need to burn slowly
[07:03] <LjL> cefx, if the computer is only used by you, and you have no internet services running, the risks to get rootkits or keyloggers installed are quite small imho
[07:05] <cefx> LjL: i inherited the system, it's got some stuff running/who knows what, and they're dirty :P
[07:05] <stdin> mena: ok, I found the repo you need
[07:06] <LjL> then i would suggest a fresh reinstall...
[07:06] <mena> stdin, okay
[07:06] <stdin> mena: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356/ edgy main
[07:06] <cefx> can't, lol, they do dev on it :P
[07:06] <mena> stdin, do they will add this to kubuntu i mean upgrade it if i dowenload kubuntu from the site
[07:07] <LjL> cefx: anyway neither chkrootkit nor rkhunter can detect lkl, for the record. which is probably not surprising, as i'm sure lkl is not really a trojan-style program that tries to hide itself, but just a plain keylogger
[07:07] <cefx> okay
[07:07] <cefx> i'll google it though, thanks a ton.
[07:07] <LjL> wonderful, i just typed sudo apt-get --purge autoremove ljl :)
[07:07] <LjL> (instead of lkl, that is)
[07:07] <cefx> Is there a page you can have the bot send me to for pen testing/securing?
[07:07] <cefx> lol, what's ljl?
[07:07] <stdin> mena: it will probably make it in to edgy-backports and it will be default in feisty, but it's not in edgy/main yet afaik
[07:07] <LjL> myself
[07:08] <LjL> cefx: not sure what you mean
[07:08] <mena> stdin, okay thanks
[07:08] <LjL> "pen" = USB key i suppose+
[07:08] <cefx> er sorry
[07:08] <cefx> lazy typer
[07:08] <cefx> penetration testing
[07:09] <yeti> how can i disable the "silent bootsplash" bootup with kubuntu 6.10? i'd like it to show what it is currently starting/stopping instead of just that useless progress bar
[07:09] <Eruantalon> yeti: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:09] <stdin> yeti: you can try removing "quiet" from the boot options
[07:10] <LjL> cefx: oh. well i can't say i know too much about that. besides chkrootkit and rkhunter, snort is probably the most popular intrusion detection system...
[07:10] <yeti> stdin: ah okay, should i replace it with "verbose" or will removing "quiet" be sufficient?
[07:10] <LjL> and then there are a couple of tools that mainly keep track of filesystem integrity
[07:10] <cefx> LjL: cool.
[07:11] <LjL> those probably don't make any sense being used on a possibly already compromised system whoever, i suppose
[07:11] <cefx> It said to look in the /dev/ folder?
[07:11] <stdin> yeti: just removing quiet should work fine
[07:11] <cefx> rkhunter, that is
[07:11] <djwilcox> hi anyone know the what i need to install to play mp3s
[07:11] <stdin> !mp3 | djwilcox
[07:11] <ubotu> djwilcox: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:11] <yeti> stdin, Eruantalon: thx
[07:11] <LjL> cefx: that's quite normal, there are some hidden files there. if they're /dev/.static and other two, that's not a problem
[07:11] <djwilcox> cheers
[07:11] <stdin> :)
[07:11] <cefx> ok, cool.
[07:12] <cefx> you've been a lot of help :)
[07:12] <Eruantalon> why does K3b ignore my request to only burn at 4x? Can't I really limit the burn rate of k3b?
[07:12] <LjL> cefx: note that you really are supposed to run chkrootkit and rkhunter from a CD, however, not from a live system. good trojans can, well, hide.
[07:12] <cefx> oh.
[07:12] <cefx> d'oh lol
[07:13] <cefx> i'm guessing by what you said a minute ago, the process to remove them is apt-get remove? :P
[07:13] <extern> how can I install 32 bit libraries on 64 bit ubuntu?
[07:13] <extern> so wine could use them?
[07:14] <LjL> cefx: to remove rkhunter and chkrootkit? yes. but there's no need to remove them (unless you need the space, but), just run them from a live CD instead
[07:14] <LjL> cefx: anyway as for your request of an informative site, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security
[07:14] <cefx> great!
[07:15] <cefx> yeah, thanks again <3
[07:15] <mena> !Dock
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Dock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <stdin> extern: afaik (and I don't use 64bit) you just need: ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk linux32 and lib32asound2
[07:16] <LjL> cefx: and fyi, these are the "suspect" files that i get from rkhunter: /dev/.static (directory)  /dev/.udev (directory)  /dev/.initramfs (directory)  --  i'm relatively confident that my system is clean
[07:16] <mena> stdin, can i see my desktop icon on dock or make dock and out my desktop icons on
[07:16] <mena> dock bar
[07:16] <mena> or somthin like that
[07:17] <stdin> mena: huh, don't quite understand that
[07:17] <mena> stdin, ok
[07:17] <mena> stdin, no prob i cant explain right also
[07:17] <mena> heheh
[07:17] <stdin> mena: what do you want to do with kicker ?
[07:18] <mena> stdin, i dont know exactly
[07:19] <mena> stdin, never mind
[07:19] <mena> stdin, if i didnt figure out this i will ask you again
[07:19] <stdin> mena: well, the dock bar is kicker anyway, so that will help your search :P
[07:19] <mena> stdin, okay
[07:20] <LjL> !security is <reply> If you feel the need to adopt security measures for your system, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Security - See also !root, !firewall and !server
[07:20] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[07:21] <brett> what is a good ssh program?
[07:22] <stdin> ssh is good at that :P
[07:22] <LjL> what's wrong with "ssh"?
[07:22] <brett> is there a program called ssh for linux? i dont see it in adept
[07:22] <brett> oh
[07:22] <brett> nm
[07:22] <LjL> brett: you have it installed already, just type "ssh" in a shell
[07:22] <stdin> brett: it's already installed (the client)
[07:22] <LjL> the package is
[07:22] <LjL> !openssh-client
[07:22] <ubotu> openssh-client: Secure shell client, an rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement. In component main, is standard. Version 1:4.3p2-5ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 597 kB, installed size 1392 kB
[07:23] <brett> cool thanks
[07:23] <LjL> brett: if you want a graphical interface for some reason,
[07:23] <LjL> !kdessh
[07:23] <ubotu> kdessh: ssh frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 32 kB, installed size 100 kB
[07:23] <LjL> or putty
[07:23] <LjL> but then, if you use SSH just to login to a remote shell, i'm not sure GUIs are of much use
[07:23] <hatta> lol graphical interface to ssh
[07:24] <hatta> that makes about as much sense as a GUI for bash
[07:24] <LjL> hatta: well, on certain systems where console support is... weak, they can make sense
[07:24] <ForgeAus> was there someone from here who asked why microsoft didn't have their own Linux distro? Lycoris appears to be a redmond linux!
[07:24] <hatta> SUSE is MS linux now
[07:24] <xsacha> licorice?
[07:24] <ForgeAus> hehe yeah something like that
[07:25] <ForgeAus> pretty much but its more Novells than M$'s
[07:25] <hatta> it's a shame, it used to be a nice product from a little german company
[07:25] <firecrotch> Uh oh, here we go bashing the MS / Novell cooperation again..
[07:25] <ForgeAus> fire I'm not bashing anyone
[07:25] <translation> may i ask for some help please?
[07:25] <hatta> there was plenty of reason to bash novell before they sold out to microsoft
[07:25] <firecrotch> ForgeAus: That wasn't in response to you
[07:25] <LjL> !ask | translation
[07:25] <ubotu> translation: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:25] <brett> LjL: after installing kdessh where can i find it?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> hehe its ok
[07:25] <LjL> brett: in the menu, i would assume
[07:26] <xsacha> lycoris has nothing to do with MS :P but it was formerly called 'redmond linux'
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I might get/try it tho
[07:26] <translation> LjL Thanks! I am facing the notorious arts error that says cpu overload sound system failed
[07:26] <ForgeAus> I love how VMware makes a great sandbox
[07:26] <translation> No solutions found to it even on the forums
[07:26] <brett> LjL:  i dont see it
[07:26] <LjL> Dr_willis: just to talk about something *less* offtopic... :P is there a decent build of AROS anywhere, that you know of? Max seems to be dead, and the dailies are kind of broken
[07:27] <LjL> brett: then perhaps you will at next X restart... anyway, i suppose just type "kdessh" in a terminal in the meanwhile?
[07:27] <stdin> ForgeAus: I like how I can use VirtualBox now, I don't really need vmware now :)
[07:27] <LjL> find bin/kdessh
[07:27] <LjL> !find bin/kdessh
[07:27] <ubotu> File bin/kdessh found in kdessh, kdeutils-dbg
[07:27] <LjL> stdin: yeah, except the screen is slooow :P
[07:27] <LjL> brett: seems my guess was right, go for "kdessh" in a shell
[07:28] <brett> LjL: yup... just trying to figure out the args
[07:28] <LjL> isn't it a GUI? it needs args? =)
[07:28] <translation> I am facing the notorious arts error that says cpu overload sound system failed
[07:28] <stdin> LjL: it's not that bed for me, there's not much difference between the two
[07:28] <LjL> *cough* if it's notorious... :)
[07:28] <LjL> never had it myself
[07:29] <brett> LjL: i doesnt seem to be a gui
[07:29] <LjL> ok let me install it
[07:29] <LjL> (how can it not be a GUI if it's for KDE though? =)
[07:29] <translation> LjL thanks
[07:29] <hatta> brett, ssh lets you access terminals on other computers, it's fundamentally a terminal program
[07:29] <brett> hatta: i know that
[07:30] <hatta> I dunno what sort of gui you're expecting then
[07:30] <Eruantalon> oops I think I just hosed my debian system...
[07:30] <jame> question: where does wine create drives to my file-system?
[07:31] <LjL> brett: you're right, it doesn't really seem to be a, uhm, very useful program
[07:31] <LjL> jame: in ~/.wine
[07:31] <firecrotch> Eruantalon: What did you do?
[07:32] <jame> thanks, Im trying to get solidworks working
[07:32] <jame> soon I will know if it does
[07:33] <ForgeAus> did Lycoris get absorbed into Mandriva somehow?
[07:33] <LjL> brett: i suppose try putty perhaps, though that's GTK, and 1.2 at that
[07:33] <brett> gtk?
[07:34] <ForgeAus> www.lycoris.org doesn't exist anymore (replaced with one of those silly search pages) ...
[07:34] <mena> stdin, why i had this while compile a style                      checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:34] <ForgeAus> and Lycoris.com sent me to mandriva
[07:34] <HymnToLife> mena, sudo apt-get install xorg-dev
[07:34] <mena> HymmTolife, okay
[07:34] <mena> hymntolife
[07:35] <LjL> !gtk | brett
[07:35] <ubotu> brett: GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[07:36] <LjL> !gtk is <sed> /Gnome/!GNOME/
[07:36] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[07:36] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:36] <Minataku> !GNOME is crap
[07:36] <HymnToLife> btm, I'm currently doing some Python with GTK, I see why it's so widely used
[07:37] <Minataku> Fake, BTW
[07:37] <HymnToLife> coding with it is a breeze
[07:37] <HymnToLife> btw*
[07:37] <Minataku> I put a Ctrl+O in front of it
[07:37] <LjL> right - i was wondering why no ops notice =)
[07:37] <Minataku> Heehee
[07:37] <Minataku> Yeah, it lets me get my opinion across without the slightest bit of administrative overhead
[07:37] <Minataku> :D
[07:38] <thomas_> good evening to all
[07:38] <mena> Goodevning
[07:38] <brett> LjL: i am running putty right now. How do I transfer files from the host to my machine?
[07:38] <thomas_> have anyone install hbasic?
[07:39] <stdin> !scp | brett
[07:39] <ubotu> brett: SCP is a secure way of copying files across networks using !SSH. Usage: scp filename user@host:filename - WinSCP is a client for Windows, available at http://winscp.net/
[07:40] <LjL> brett: no idea. i mean, with scp i suppose, but i don't see that available from the putty GUI itself. putty does come with an scp client, but that's command line
[07:40] <LjL> you can always also use ZModem i suppose... at least, Konsole supports it
[07:40] <stdin> putty is just for storing config settings for ssh settings
[07:41] <stdin> brett: you can use Konqueror to do it too
[07:41] <LjL> putty's actually quite handy on Windows
[07:41] <LjL> seems to be a bit less so on here
[07:41] <LjL> and ugly, too
[07:41] <stdin> yeah
[07:42] <Eruantalon> firecrotch: I was following the guide to install (k)ubuntu via ssh and in a weak moment hosed the root parttion of the running system.
[07:43] <LjL> besides, i'm baffled at the lack of a real, decent terminal program for KDE - with "terminal" referring to RS-232 and friends, not just the Linux tty
[07:43] <LjL> minicom is just about all there is
[07:43] <Eruantalon> You see I can't use the cd's because k3b won't burn good cd's that my ancient quad speed cdrom drive will read
[07:44] <firecrotch> Eruantalon: Have you tried burning at a slower speed?
[07:44] <Eruantalon> k3b can't. It doesn't work
[07:44] <Minataku> Funny, I've never had issues with fast-burned CDs on slow drives
[07:44] <Eruantalon> cdrecord still burns at 30-50
[07:45] <Minataku> I think I did one at 40x that read on a 4x drive, and I consistently burn many at 8x that read on 4x no problem
[07:45] <Minataku> Perhaps your old drive is bad?
[07:46] <Eruantalon> Yeah i guess so. That is why i am trying different ways of insalling eg via ssh but that hosed the system so now i am stuck between systems
[07:46] <Eruantalon> i am now trying the shipit edgy cd's for better luck
[07:47] <Minataku> If those fail, the drive is definitely bad
[07:47] <Minataku> Because I'm fairly certain those are stamped, not burned
[07:47] <Eruantalon> Minataku: So far the it is progressing better but still god awfully slow
[07:47] <Minataku> 4x _is_ rather slow, after all
[07:47] <ric1> hi guys
[07:48] <Eruantalon> Yeah but it is all i've got to spare. And i don't use at all besides just this once and when I installed debiab several years ago
[07:48] <Minataku> Eruantalon: Ah
[07:49] <Minataku> Go to a thrift shop and buy an old computer, you may be able to salvage something like a 12x or 24x from one
[07:49] <Minataku> Uh oh, I feel a segfault in my colon... I better go dump core >.<
[07:49] <Minataku> Sorry, gotta go *disappear*
[07:49] <Eruantalon> Hmm i think i'd rather buy a dvd-burner and put it in my main box and use the old stuff in this one
[07:50] <Eruantalon> Maybe I could borrow the cdburner from my main box temporarily...
[07:50] <ric1> a simple question, i have a 2nd panel but i can' resize it. i right click on it and click configure panel, but it brings up the congiguration for the 1st panel (the default one which comes with kubuntu). does anyone know how i can resize this second one?
[07:51] <firecrotch> ric1:  On that config menu, there should be a place to choose which one you're setting up
[07:52] <firecrotch> ric1:  At the top: Settings for (dropdown menu)
[07:53] <ric1> hmm sorry can't see one...
[07:55] <ric1> how would you add yours?
[07:55] <firecrotch> ric1:  The window you have open in the Configure - KDE Pabel window, right?
[07:55] <firecrotch> (is
[07:55] <ric1> yep
[07:56] <firecrotch> At the top, it says "You can configure the arrangement of the panel here" right?
[07:57] <ric1> yep
[07:57] <ForgeAus> yay planetmirror still have lycoris1
[07:57] <ForgeAus> grr lycoris!..
[07:58] <yeti> how do i get syntax highliting (c, python, latex) for vim/gvim?
[07:58] <firecrotch> And you did add the second panel (by right clicking the original panel, then choosing "Add New Panel" )?  The dropdown for selecting which panel to configure should be just below the "You can configure..." line
[07:59] <ForgeAus> damn its only upgrade and a few packages... no install/iso
[07:59] <ric1> everything you say is how it should be (including adding panel) apart from the drop down.  all i have is a very think line (like a line break) and then position/screen
[07:59] <ForgeAus> that kills that idea
[08:00] <ForgeAus> "superceded by mandriva"... hmmm I doubt it
[08:01] <firecrotch> ric1: Well then... I um... have no clue.  It should definitely be there.
[08:02] <Eru^food> what is the difference af a straight kubuntu install compared to an install of ubuntu followed by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[08:03] <ForgeAus> ubuntu has the Gnome apps/libraries like synaptic etc in it
[08:03] <ric1> in my experiance so far you can't resize aditional panels :)
[08:03] <LjL> Eruantalon: the presence of GNOME
[08:03] <ForgeAus> also you get to chose gdm or kdm as your default display manager
[08:04] <HS^> make fonts please
[08:04] <Eruantalon> LjL: Ok, but it would be sorta simple to remove gnome and only keep kubuntu, right? Also i seem to recall there being difference in the layout of the k-menu and other details...?
[08:04] <LjL> and your menus are a mess, too
[08:04] <HS^> good fonts
[08:04] <ForgeAus> the artwork is probably different too (ubuntu tends to be brown and/or orange ... kubuntu tends to be blue and/or bluish )
[08:05] <LjL> Eruantalon, you mean in the layout of the K-menu on a KDE+GNOME installation compared to a pure KDE installation? no, you'll just get more programs on it (and on the GNOME menu as well)
[08:05] <ForgeAus> menus are a mess either way if you install Gnome into Kubuntu or Kubuntu into Gnome
[08:05] <ForgeAus> or XFCE into either
[08:05] <ForgeAus> theres a gnome menu addon to Kde :)
[08:06] <Eruantalon> Actually I only want kubuntu edgy... but all i can get to work is a ubuntu dapper cd ...
[08:06] <ForgeAus> not sure if theres a kde addon for gnome tho
[08:06] <LjL> Eruantalon: tried a text-mode CD?
[08:06] <ForgeAus> eru sure then just do a dist upgrade
[08:06] <LjL> !minimal
[08:06] <ubotu> The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[08:07] <jame> DUMB QUESTION: how do I install gecko with wine
[08:07] <ForgeAus> jame you don't
[08:07] <ForgeAus> do you want ie6?
[08:07] <Eruantalon> LjL: One of my friends installed from the alternate cd and had very bad experience with it
[08:07] <jame> I dont know
[08:08] <jame> when running solidworks2006 with wine
[08:08] <jame> it starts loading
[08:08] <jame> and popup message comes behind loadpicture
[08:08] <LjL> Eruantalon: and other people have bad experiences with the Desktop CD...
[08:08] <jame> and I cant choose it
[08:08] <ForgeAus> solidworks? dunno the program
[08:09] <jame> Ill try without beryl
[08:09] <Eruantalon> never mind I am getting myself a proper cdrom driver from somewhere and then i will use a regular kubuntu edgy cd. THanks anywat
[08:09] <jame> solidworks is CAD program
[08:09] <ForgeAus> ok
[08:11] <firecrotch> jame:  surely there are CAD programs for Linux... why bother with the hassle of getting a Windows app to work in Wine?
[08:11] <ForgeAus> QCAD is dwg compatible
[08:12] <jame> firecroth: we use that program at school so better to learn using it
[08:12] <ForgeAus> actually solidworks looks interesting
[08:13] <ForgeAus> not sure what file formats it uses tho
[08:13] <luigi_> ciao
[08:13] <luigi_> come si kiama il canale kubuntu italiano?
[08:13] <ForgeAus> jame you might require crossover office to get it functioning correctly
[08:14] <ForgeAus> (but don't hold me to that, even then I'm not certain it will work)
[08:14] <renewip> should I upgrade to KDE 3.5.6 ? :-S
[08:14] <ForgeAus> rene why not?
[08:14] <firecrotch> !it | luigi_
[08:14] <ubotu> luigi_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:14] <luigi_> thanks
[08:14] <renewip> would my Apps work correctly?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> rene they... *should* but who knows?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> until you try it I doubt you'll find out
[08:15] <ForgeAus> if your worried wait for kde4
[08:15] <Alzi2> Hey. I'm trying to get tiddlywiki to work, but it needs a .java.policy. How to do that on Ubuntu?
[08:15] <ForgeAus> (doesn't seem like its far off anyway)
[08:17] <carsten_> what do i do when adept manager says the status of a package is "BROKEN (installed)" ?
[08:17] <ForgeAus> an apt-get fix? um someone might know the exact format of the command
[08:18] <ForgeAus> but if you need to you can always do a man on apt-get
[08:18] <ForgeAus> and/or dpkg
[08:21] <firecrotch> carsten_: apt-get -f install
[08:26] <HS^> make fonts please
[08:29] <jame> help
[08:29] <jame> I made this program to stay on top always
[08:29] <jame> and full screen
[08:29] <jame> and Kbar is hidden also
[08:30] <jame> ah - drunken ppl shouldnt use computer
[08:31] <jame> but getting that solidworks running is still the problem
[08:31] <renewip> Iam upgrading my Edgy to KDE 3.5.6
[08:31] <jame> changing to Kwin didnt help
[08:31] <renewip> :-SS
[08:32] <renewip> good luck to me please :D
[08:33] <jame> and problem was that gecko
[08:34] <SSJ_GZ> jame:Alt+F3 should bring up the window menu, so that you can un-fullscreen it :)
[08:34] <jame> what is wines official IRC room?
[08:35] <SSJ_GZ> jame:#winehq
[08:35] <HS^> make fonts please
[08:39] <darkserver3> buenas, alguien conoce alguna programa para monitorear sistemas
[08:41] <darkserver3> hola
[08:41] <darkserver3> alguien tiene idea de algun programa para monitorear el sistema
[08:41] <SSJ_GZ> !es
[08:41] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[08:41] <darkserver3> gomen
[08:41] <darkserver3> please some know
[08:43] <darkserver3> what kind of software i need to make time real monitoring of a system
[08:43] <darkserver3> please, some can help me??
[08:43] <SSJ_GZ> darkserver3:ksysguard?
[08:43] <SSJ_GZ> !ksysguard
[08:43] <ubotu> ksysguard: system guard for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 485 kB, installed size 1564 kB
[08:44] <darkserver3> ummm... well... maybe you someone that work in any unix
[08:45] <francesco_> chi c'e'
[08:45] <darkserver3> maybe you know some software that works in any unix for example... ubuntu, debian, aix, solaris...
[08:46] <redbull> cjhi c'e' qui??
[08:46] <redbull> qualcuno sa come fare per entrare nella chat di emule??
[08:48] <user_> "/join #emule"
[08:51] <slyfox> Which application does the backup job with gui in Kubuntu ?
[08:54] <user_> slyfox: try keep
[08:54] <niblets> where is the menu in Kubuntu for making the toolbar translucent nd other optionS?
[08:55] <manchicken> Panel options
[08:55] <manchicken> Right-click on panel, configure panel, appearance, advanced.
[08:55] <niblets> Ohk, thanks
[08:56] <niblets> Done, cheers
[08:57] <Alzi2> Why do you guys think basket is so awesome? i have to learn to use it, i think.. cos it is REALLY complicated
[08:57] <GodFinger> !basket
[08:57] <ubotu> basket: User-friendly way to run programs and manage links in KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.0-6 (edgy), package size 334 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[08:57] <GodFinger> ahaaa...
[08:58] <distro-tester> hello
[08:58] <Alzi2> Wrong description. It is a note taking app
[08:58] <distro-tester> does any one know where to get the skype plugin so u can join live skypecasts?
[08:58] <GodFinger> !kfloppy
[08:58] <ubotu> kfloppy: floppy formatter for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 95 kB, installed size 348 kB
[08:59] <GodFinger> amazingly slow job... I had to backup all my old floppy diskettes onto a CD..
[08:59] <GodFinger> schoolwork etc.
[09:00] <distro-tester> nead the skype firefox plugin to join skypecasts u know where to find it?
[09:05] <darkserver3> well.... Im working in solaris 10
[09:05] <darkserver3> i use a remote desktop to install
[09:07] <distro-tester> !flashplayer9
[09:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplayer9 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:08] <distro-tester> !flash
[09:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:08] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[09:08] <distro-tester> !flashplayer
[09:10] <elyon225> Just curious... does anyone know if I can format my MP3 player and then reinstall the firmware?  The whole thing has been corrupted by Linux somehow.
[09:10] <augenauf> blinzel
[09:11] <augenauf> root______: ? aua, so geht man aber nicht ircen
[09:13] <noblgh> hello everyone after updating my Kubuntu I tried to reboot but I got this message "bin\sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" could you help please
[09:20] <jame> QUESTION: is there easy way to determine name of popup window?
[09:21] <jame> or anyway
[09:22] <cyber-hazard> hey, anyone got a cli command for finding how much ram a system has?
[09:22] <vincas> free?
[09:22] <vincas> top?
[09:22] <cyber-hazard> thanks
[09:23] <Theory> grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo ?
[09:28] <adaptr> he's long gone :)
[09:29] <ciro> hi guys ... im trying to play to Cube ... I try to start it from console and it says me
[09:29] <ciro> ciro@ciro-desktop:~/Desktop/cube$ ./cube_unix
[09:29] <ciro> ./bin_unix/linux_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_image-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:29] <ciro> what can I do?
[09:29] <LjL> !find libsdl-image
[09:29] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-image1.2, libsdl-image1.2-dev
[09:30] <LjL> ciro: try installing this
[09:30] <ciro> LjL no file found
[09:30] <LjL> uh?
[09:30] <LjL> ciro: what did you type and what happened exactly?
[09:31] <SSJ_GZ> ciro:sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2
[09:31] <ciro> LiL problem solved :D mistake in writing
[09:32] <ciro> now what can I innstall?
[09:32] <akrus> hm
[09:32] <ciro> ...../bin_unix/linux_client: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:32] <ForgeAus> is mtab meant to be a link to /proc/mounts ?
[09:32] <akrus> is it possible to compile nVidia drivers under 2.6.20-6?
[09:33] <LjL> !find libsdl-mixer
[09:33] <ubotu> Found: libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev
[09:33] <LjL> ciro: ^
[09:33] <SSJ_GZ> ciro:sudo apt-get install libsdl-mixer1.2
[09:33] <LjL> Ubotu, tell ciro about packages | ciro, see the private message from Ubotu
[09:33] <SSJ_GZ> dmanit
[09:34] <ciro> LjL tnx
[09:36] <ForgeAus> grrr is there any way to assume root priveleges from inside a kde app once its already running?
[09:36] <boris_> yop
[09:36] <boris_> ya du monde ici?
[09:39] <zorglu_> apparently not :)
[09:40] <LjL> ForgeAus: i'd say no
[09:43] <Lil_Eagle> ForgeAus: You're up late again...
[09:44] <jame> hey, how do I get list of other things that die when I kill main program?
[09:46] <PiNE> i need some help building a set of icons i downloaded. is anyone familiar with it?
[09:48] <ssmasud> how can I check the version of gcc??.....i am not getting man pages for functions like strcat(), memset() etc??..what to do??
[09:49] <Theory> do you have gcc-doc installed?
[09:49] <ssmasud> THEORY....i installed it just now.....but still not getting it...
[09:50] <mena> How to install KDM
[09:50] <ozgeki60> hi
[09:51] <mena> hi
[09:51] <Skrot> mena: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[09:51] <Theory> ssmasud: ah, I believe manpages-dev
[09:51] <Theory> may be what you want
[09:52] <mena> Skrot, i dont thisnk so ...bec in kde-look.org ....i was going to dowenload login screen
[09:52] <Theory> or glibc-doc for a more comprehensive list of libc stuff
[09:52] <blekos> hi, has any body made a clean install from a Kubuntu cd?
[09:52] <mena> Skrot, and i see howto install then i foung installing KDM
[09:52] <Lil_Eagle> bleck: yes
[09:52] <mena> found*
[09:53] <ozgeki60> hi
[09:53] <ssmasud> Theory...thanks...that worked:)
[09:53] <blekos> did u install anything else such apt-get install kde or apt-get update to have a full set o menus?
[09:53] <Skrot> mena: You're going to download a theme for KDM, right? You don't have a graphical login-screen when you boot your computer now?
[09:54] <ssmasud> theory...how can i check the version of any particular package that I  have already installed???...or how can I check the whole list of packages I have installed??
[09:54] <Lil_Eagle> blekos: No, but what do you mean by full set of menus?
[09:54] <ozgeki60> gial
[09:54] <acolai35> weh di guan
[09:54] <Theory> ssmasud: dpkg -l lists all installed, dpkg -l pattern lists all matching pattern
[09:54] <Skrot> mena: If you're just going to download a theme for KDM you "sudo apt-get install kdmtheme" and you can install new themes in kcontrol
[09:54] <Lil_Eagle> You mean the original Konq menus from KDE?
[09:54] <blekos> i think a have a few menus missings
[09:54] <ozgeki60> nothin
[09:54] <mena> Skrot, i have but what is installed by the system the normal one so i want to change..........okay
[09:54] <ozgeki60> HOW CAN WE REGISTER? ANYONE?
[09:55] <acolai35> so how was your night after the party
[09:55] <Lil_Eagle> Hold on, I'll find the link...
[09:55] <ozgeki60> good
[09:55] <Skrot> mena: If you want to change you install the package "kdmtheme" and configure what theme to use in kcontrol
[09:55] <ozgeki60> Link for what?/
[09:55] <mena> Skrot, okay
[09:55] <blekos> do u have a games menu and a system settinngs menu [not just system] 
[09:55] <ozgeki60> Lil-Eagle
[09:55] <ssmasud> theory.....thanks again:)
[09:56] <Lil_Eagle> blekos: Try ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79941 or http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/Information/KonquerorProfiles
[09:56] <ozgeki60> this is it?
[09:57] <mena> Skrot, When i add the rpo for kde 3.5.6 at the finsih of update i had this GPG error: http://kubuntu.org edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A506E6D4DD4D5088
[09:57] <Skrot> mena: Read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[09:58] <mena> Skrot,Okay
[09:58] <Lil_Eagle> I have system too...I did use automatix, but I don't think that adds system.
[09:59] <stdin> mena: do this: wget http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg && sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[09:59] <mena> stdin, okay
[10:00] <stdin> mena: that should get rig of that error, then you can just do a dist-upgrade
[10:01] <mena> stdin, ok
[10:02] <emil> dupa ce downloadezi un joc pentru linux
[10:02] <emil> cum se "executa????????????????"
[10:02] <emil> stie careva???
[10:02] <emil> pls
[10:02] <fdoving> !ro
[10:02] <ubotu> Daca doriti ajutor sau doriti sa discutati despre Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, intrati pe #ubuntu-ro
[10:07] <emil> spuneti careva???
[10:07] <blekos> when i start up my laptop, it tries to connect to my wan, but although the eth1 is enabled and i have checked connect on startup it doesn do so
[10:07] <blekos> is there any log file to see whats wrong?
[10:08] <emil> how do y "run" a downloaded game for linux????
[10:08] <emil> please tell me
[10:08] <emil> somebody
[10:09] <emil> how do y "run" a downloaded game for linux????
[10:09] <mena> stdin, i installed kde-level and xorg-dev and i cant yet compile
[10:09] <emil> how do y "run" a downloaded game for linux????how do y "run" a downloaded game for linux????
[10:10] <stdin> mena: what errors do you get ?
[10:10] <blekos> maybe u should google
[10:10] <mena> seconed plz
[10:10] <blekos> try ubuntu gamename
[10:10] <extern> how can I run kdmtheme after installing it?
[10:10] <Bxnp-> import them via kcontrol
[10:10] <Bxnp-> extern: run kcontrol
[10:11] <Bxnp-> and then import the theme for kdm
[10:11] <Bxnp-> clear
[10:11] <Bxnp-> sorry
[10:11] <stdin> !changethemes
[10:11] <ubotu> [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[10:11] <mena> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:11] <emil> ill try thet
[10:11] <emil> that
[10:13] <mena> emil, Go here If you want themes www.kde-look.org
[10:13] <stdin> mena: try checking the config.log fole
[10:14] <mena> stdin haow i am new in this
[10:14] <mena> haw*
[10:14] <mena> how*
[10:15] <stdin> mena: in the directory where you ran ./configure there will be a file called "config.log" it should give you a hint on what it's trying to find
[10:15] <cpk1> emil: what kind of file did you get?
[10:15] <mena> stdin okay
[10:15] <cpk1> emil: try ./nameofgame
[10:15] <blekos> could u suggest a network screen application [looking smg like windows network icons on bottom right] 
[10:15] <fdoving> blekos: knemo
[10:15] <emil> .py   .data    .wav    .txt
[10:16] <stdin> !info knetdockapp
[10:16] <ubotu> knetdockapp: Network activity monitor applet for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.67.3-1 (edgy), package size 53 kB, installed size 292 kB
[10:17] <mena> stdin, what to do with it
[10:17] <mena> stdin, there is too many lines
[10:17] <mena> stdin, maybe that help
[10:17] <mena> /usr/bin/uname -p = unknown
[10:17] <mena> /bin/uname -X     = unknown
[10:18] <stdin> mena: look for "checking for X..." and see what's there
[10:18] <mena> stdin , okay
[10:18] <mena> stdin: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:18] <LjL> !xinclues
[10:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xinclues - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:18] <LjL> !xincludes
[10:18] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:18] <LjL> or xorg-dev even
[10:19] <mena> LjL, i installed the last one you give
[10:19] <stdin> ooh, didn't know ubotu knew that
[10:19] <Bxnp-> !inkscape
[10:19] <ubotu> Inkscape is a powerful vector graphics drawing application - see http://www.inkscape.org/ for more
[10:19] <mena> stdin, so
[10:20] <mena> install all
[10:20] <stdin> mena: yeah
[10:20] <ollie> hi people
[10:20] <mena> stdin, heheeh okay
[10:20] <ollie> just installed latest nvidia driver on amd64
[10:20] <ollie> doesnt seem to load properly
[10:20] <ollie> just loads nv instead for some reason
[10:20] <ollie> old one worked ok
[10:21] <ollie> any idea?
[10:22] <ollie> xorg.conf has nvidia set as opposed to nv
[10:23] <mena> -window-system-dev   couldnt find ????!!!!!!!!
[10:23] <emil> how do y instal a game for in linux???????
[10:23] <emil> pls help
[10:23] <stdin> !games
[10:23] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[10:24] <stdin> emil: ignore it then
[10:24] <LjL> mena: i think that's superseded
[10:24] <LjL> (by xorg-dev)
[10:24] <cntb> !flashplugin
[10:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flashplugin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:25] <LjL> !flash
[10:25] <mena> LJL, mean
[10:25] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:25] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[10:25] <LjL> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[10:25] <ubotu> flashplugin-nonfree: Macromedia Flash Player plugin installer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.68~ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 15 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only available for i386)
[10:25] <cntb> tyvm Ljl
[10:25] <popi> ...
[10:25] <LjL> !info x-window-system-dev dapper
[10:25] <ubotu> Package x-window-system-dev does not exist in dapper
[10:26] <LjL> !info xorg-dev dapper
[10:26] <ubotu> xorg-dev: the X.Org development libraries. In component main, is optional. Version 7.0.0-0ubuntu45 (dapper), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB
[10:26] <LjL> !xincludes is <sed> /x-window-system-dev/xorg-dev/
[10:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[10:28] <smoze> what is ubotu?
[10:28] <LjL> !bot
[10:28] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:28] <mena> cool thing ubotu
[10:29] <mena> !hi
[10:29] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:29] <lunchbox> hey
[10:30] <mena> KDE requires autoconf 2.53 What is that
[10:30] <stdin> !autoconf
[10:30] <lunchbox> my adept is in limbo and I forgot the command to terminate
[10:30] <ubotu> autoconf: automatic configure script builder. In component main, is optional. Version 2.60-1 (edgy), package size 429 kB, installed size 1640 kB
[10:30] <LjL> !adept unlock | lunchbox
[10:30] <ubotu> lunchbox: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:31] <lunchbox> ty
[10:31] <mena> how to install the last stdin
[10:31] <LjL> sudo apt-get install autoconf
[10:31] <stdin> mena: what LjL said :)
[10:31] <mena> LJL, okay
[10:31] <mena> heheh okay
[10:33] <lunchbox> ahh that worked great thanks
[10:36] <emil> k
[10:36] <Shak1> what's the best command or program that shows my free disk space ?
[10:37] <Shak1> with biggest files
[10:37] <mena> stdin , Or LJL, i had this while making ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde  .............
[10:37] <mena> onfigure: WARNING: libjpeg not found. disable JPEG support.
[10:37] <mena> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
[10:37] <mena> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[10:37] <mena> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[10:37] <mena> sorry sorry sorry
[10:37] <mena> ^_^
[10:37] <emil> so,how do y instal a tar.gz game in kubuntu??????????????
[10:37] <emil> help here
[10:38] <smoze> maybe that tarball holds instructions?
[10:38] <emil> y want to see what are like games in linux
[10:38] <Shak1>  tar xfvz [ARCHIVE] .tar.gz
[10:38] <emil> what????
[10:38] <lunchbox> hehe
[10:39] <emil> tell me step by step pls
[10:39] <emil> neverball-1.4.0.tar.gz
[10:39] <emil> asa ceva am downloadat
[10:39] <Shak1> locate ark in your start menu and open the file, copy and paste everything you see onto your desktop , open the folder and run the sh script ;)
[10:40] <mena> LjL,
[10:40] <angasule> Shak1: no need! neverball is available in a repo!
[10:40] <angasule> emil: in linux, repositories of software are normally used, open the Adept package manager and search for 'neverball', then click on 'install'
[10:40] <angasule> !adep
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adep - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <angasule> !adept
[10:40] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[10:41] <emil> k
[10:41] <Shak1> well, ups sorry :) way to easy
[10:41] <emil> extract all on desktop
[10:41] <emil> then?????
[10:41] <emil> how do y start it????
[10:42] <smoze> btw... is there an easy way to run steam in kubuntu?? (counter-strike etc.)
[10:43] <Shak1> click on the k_menu button,  run command...       type in adept_manager
[10:45] <emil> how do y start it???? y extracted the files on desk...then???
[10:45] <emil> pls
[10:45] <emil> help
[10:45] <emil> buzz
[10:46] <smoze> emil: scheck menu/games
[10:46] <smoze> check
[10:46] <Shak1> emil: i encourage you to have a look at the beginners tutorial at the ubuntu main webpage. you have to get an overview of the concepts of apt and the whole installation-process
[10:46] <cntb> what is the relationship between xfs X fonts server and flashplugin-nonfree ? why instaling xfs removes flashplugin-nonfree?
[10:47] <emil> please resume that live////:PPPP
[10:47] <cntb> here on dapper
[10:47] <emil> please resume that live////:PPPP
[10:47] <frojnd> where is log for kopete usually?
[10:47] <emil> please resume that live////:PPPP
[10:47] <emil> please resume that live////:PPPP
[10:47] <frojnd> where is log for kopete usually? or by default
[10:47] <LjL> !info libjpeg-dev | mena
[10:47] <ubotu> Package libjpeg-dev does not exist in any distro I know
[10:48] <mena> LjL, So
[10:48] <genii> !libjpeg6
[10:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libjpeg6 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:48] <genii> bah!
[10:48] <LjL> so nothing, my tab completion said that package existed, but it doesnt
[10:48] <LjL> !find libjpeg
[10:48] <ubotu> Found: libjpeg-progs, libjpeg62, libjpeg62-dev, libjpeg-mmx-dev, libjpeg-mmx-progs
[10:48] <LjL> mena: libjpeg62-dev
[10:49] <genii> I knew it was 6 something LOL
[10:49] <mena> okay
[10:49] <mena> genii, lol okay
[10:50] <mena> !Qt
[10:50] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[10:50] <LjL> mena, keep in mind that you can find out most of this stuff by simply using "apt-cache search", like in this case "apt-cache search libjpeg". when compiling, you want packages that end with -dev.
[10:50] <mena> LjL, ok
[10:50] <LjL> "apt-cache search libjpeg dev" gives two hits, and the first one is right
[10:50] <LjL> Ubotu, tell mena about compile | mena, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:51] <LjL> mena: if you're compiling a KDE application, this page tells you which package to install
[10:51] <LjL> (short answer, kde-devel)
[10:51] <LjL> that's not necessarily *all* that you need to install, but it's a good start for sure
[10:51] <genii> mena If you are going to be doing extensive amounts of compiling you may want to look at KDevelop
[10:51] <mena> ok
[10:51] <LjL> well, that's if you want to compile stuff that *you* write i suppose, mostly
[10:51] <morganne> jour
[10:51] <genii> LjL Well, true
[10:52] <smoze> how do i change kernel modules?
[10:52] <genii> smoze What issue do you have that you feel it requires something to do with kernel modules?
[10:53] <mena> !cvs
[10:53] <ubotu> cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[10:54] <frojnd> any GUI ftp programs for kubuntu?
[10:54] <frojnd> more powerful better..
[10:54] <smoze> genii: cmc-amc
[10:54] <ForgeAus> kfilegrabber or kftpgrabber k something grabber anyway
[10:54] <ForgeAus> or do you mean serving ftp?
[10:54] <Skrot> ftp:// and kasablanca (supports ftp over ssl)
[10:55] <Skrot> and fxp
[10:55] <ForgeAus> see plenty of options :)
[10:55] <frojnd> I wanna upload some files
[10:55] <genii> smoze I do not know of any module named that
[10:55] <frojnd> and downlaod some files :)
[10:55] <Skrot> frojnd: Then ftp://username:password@host:port in konqueror usually does the job
[10:55] <ForgeAus> theres many ways to upload and download
[10:55] <ForgeAus> ftp's just one of them
[10:56] <LjL> frojnd, konqueror (that is, ftp://) supports both uploading and downloading
[10:56] <smoze> genii: that is strange
[10:56] <frojnd> yes, but what if someone needs to download from me?
[10:56] <frojnd> how can I make ftp server?
[10:56] <frojnd> with konqueror too?
[10:56] <ForgeAus> an ftpd
[10:56] <genii> frojnd I like the fireftp extension for firefox as an easy gui
[10:56] <ForgeAus> no not exactly
[10:56] <ForgeAus> genii good suggestion :)
[10:57] <frojnd> something like bullet proof for windows
[10:57] <LjL> frojnd, and FTP client is a completely different thing from an FTP server, and i doubt many FTP servers have GUIs
[10:57] <ForgeAus> are there any gui ftpds?
[10:57] <mena> !prefix
[10:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about prefix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:57] <ForgeAus> is there a filezilla for mac?
[10:57] <frojnd> my mistake, I need gui server for ftp
[10:57] <frojnd> if not a simple one
[10:57] <LjL> frojnd, pyftpd claims to have a GUI. probably a web interface, i would guess
[10:57] <yeti> frojnd: i don't think there are gui ftp-servers
[10:57] <LjL> !pyftpd
[10:58] <ubotu> pyftpd: ftp daemon with advanced features. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.4.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 32 kB, installed size 400 kB
[10:58] <yeti> okay, seems i've been proven wrong :)
[10:58] <ForgeAus> yeah just advanced features
[10:58] <mena> LjL , one more thing i got this i am realy sorry
[10:58] <mena> checking for KDE... configure: error:in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.So, check this please and use another prefix!
[10:58] <frojnd> pyftpd then?
[10:58] <frojnd> than*
[10:58] <LjL> frojnd, try it, i cannot decide things for you
[10:58] <ForgeAus> I wonder when someone will make a server console app for a linux distro
[10:58] <blekos> is there a button i can press upon startup load to see what's services etc r running?
[10:59] <LjL> mena: you have installed kde-devel, right?
[10:59] <genii> smoze Without knowing what problem you hope to solve it is difficult to offer a path towards some solution
[10:59] <ForgeAus> (to install/configure protocol demons)
[10:59] <Skrot> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=10437 might be of intrest. Its a KControl Module for Pure-FTPd
[10:59] <ForgeAus> of the type it handles at least
[10:59] <ForgeAus> kewl Skrot!
[10:59] <LjL> blekos, if you're on edgy i'm afraid not, but you can remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel command line in GRUB
[11:00] <LjL> or even just "quiet", that'll still briefly show what's being loaded but on the splash screen
[11:00] <smoze> genii: hehe, sorry... it was CDC-ACM
[11:00] <blekos> can this b done form syst. settings somewhere?
[11:00] <frojnd> i've installed pyftpd
[11:00] <frojnd> how can I run it
[11:01] <ForgeAus> its a service
[11:01] <LjL> i don't think i would trust management of such a sensitive service like an FTP daemon on a non-packaged app from kde-apps
[11:01] <smoze> genii: i need it to connect my phone to my pc
[11:01] <ForgeAus> probably already running, you need to configure it
[11:01] <illriginal> Can someone please tell me how to have full read/write access to my Primary slave drive? HDB1 Ext partitioned hard drive?
[11:01] <frojnd> !pyftpd
[11:01] <ubotu> pyftpd: ftp daemon with advanced features. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.4.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 32 kB, installed size 400 kB
[11:01] <LjL> frojnd, if you have no idea how services work in Ubuntu, then i strongly recommend against exposing your machine to the internet with something as sensitive, insecure and generally dangerous as an FTP daemon.
[11:01] <genii> smoze you can discover if it exists on your system by:  sudo modprobe -l cdc-acm
[11:02] <LjL> if you're in a local network, then that's another issue i guess
[11:02] <ForgeAus> illriginal just mount it as rw
[11:02] <smoze> ok
[11:02] <LjL> btw i found also
[11:02] <LjL> !pureadmin
[11:02] <ubotu> pureadmin: Gtk graphic front-end for PureFTPd. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 143 kB, installed size 720 kB
[11:02] <LjL> not quite KDE
[11:02] <illriginal> chmod rw dev/hdb1 ?
[11:02] <ForgeAus> chmod? no
[11:02] <illriginal> or sudo chmod rw /media/hdb1 ?
[11:03] <ForgeAus> just mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1
[11:03] <illriginal> it's mounted...
[11:03] <ForgeAus> you might need root priveleges to do some editing tho
[11:03] <illriginal> i need to be able to create files and add files onto my hard drive.
[11:03] <genii> smoze If it exists, you can see if it is already loaded by: sudo lsmod cdc-acm. If it is NOT loaded you can MANUALLY add by: sudo modprobe cdc-acm.  If you wish it to load automatically every boot, add the name to the file /etc/modules
[11:03] <LjL> oh wait - they, like, turn up like mushrooms
[11:03] <ForgeAus> just copy to it... again you might need root privileges
[11:03] <smoze> genii: well, there it was. problem seems to be somewhere else
[11:03] <LjL> !kcmpureftpd | Skrot, frojnd
[11:03] <ubotu> kcmpureftpd: KControl module for easily setting up pure-ftpd. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 250 kB, installed size 956 kB
[11:04] <illriginal> yeah i need to be root..
[11:04] <ForgeAus> so just run whatever app you copy with with kdesu before it or if its console use sudo
[11:04] <illriginal> but i'd like not to worry about being root when im logged on just to add/remove/create files in my hard drive.
[11:05] <ForgeAus> illriginal, I'd like that too but linux doesn't seem to work that way
[11:05] <illriginal> what do you mean? there's a command i type that's something like 775
[11:05] <ForgeAus> I'm too used to XP and keep butting my head against root issues
[11:05] <illriginal> which tells my linux that i have the right to do anything to my drive.
[11:05] <illriginal> oh nevermind then.
[11:05] <illriginal> ill wait.
[11:06] <ForgeAus> yeah 775 is a number to set the permissions of an object
[11:06] <ForgeAus> but I'm not sure it applies to an entire device
[11:06] <ForgeAus> you can set files separately but you don't really want to do that individually for the entire partition do you?
[11:06] <illriginal> i want my whole 2nd drive to be accessable
[11:07] <illriginal> since it's my storage drive.
[11:07] <ForgeAus> otherwise afaik the file permissions work individually just like they would on the root drive...
[11:07] <sidz> he could set the permission recursive for the whole hd but i wouldn't recommend that
[11:07] <ForgeAus> IT IS accessible if its mounted
[11:07] <ForgeAus> chown is another option but again I think thats mostly individual files
[11:07] <ForgeAus> not sure if it applies to devices or not
[11:08] <illriginal> Forge
[11:08] <voicu> how do i find out the process which connects to a certain address (that i can see in my firewall)
[11:08] <genii> smoze I just disconnected, so if you made some remark please repeat
[11:08] <voicu> ?
[11:08] <illriginal> all i was askin for... was a command like this: sudo chown -R <user> /media/hdb1
[11:08] <illriginal> nothing else.
[11:08] <illriginal> thanks anyways
[11:08] <smoze> genii: well, there it was. problem seems to be somewhere else
[11:09] <lontra> is it possible to get oo.org2.1?
[11:09] <lontra> or would i need to install from oo.org's website
[11:09] <smoze> genii: reason why i asked about it was because help files pointed it out
[11:10] <genii> smoze Ah, OK. Does this phone use a bluetooth interface?
[11:10] <smoze> no, usb cable
[11:12] <smoze> tha cable is called DKU-5 and nobody seems to support it :P
[11:12] <genii> smoze Unfortunately many drivers for devices which work when they use a pci slot or such do not work well when the device is the same but now on the usb
[11:16] <smoze> genii: i think this one is more like a serial cable, even though it works through usb
[11:17] <LjL> frojnd: summary of what i've found (and what was already in the bot):
[11:17] <LjL> !ftpd
[11:17] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[11:22] <soulrider> guys, is anyone using firefox? i remember on the windows version there was a menu option to install themes and plugins, but i cant find it on the linux version
[11:23] <soulrider> !firefox
[11:23] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[11:25] <lunchbox> I can select packages but after applying I can not commit
[11:25] <lunchbox> in adept
[11:26] <lunchbox> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[11:26] <Jucato> lunchbox: try installing from apt-get
[11:26] <lunchbox> is the error I receive
[11:26] <lunchbox> ok
[11:28] <lunchbox> E: Invalid operation
[11:28] <manchicken> lunchbox: What is the exact command?
[11:28] <lunchbox> with the pakage name after...yes
[11:29] <Jucato> sudo apt-get install <package name>
[11:29] <lunchbox> with all packages though
[11:29] <manchicken> lunchbox: But what was the exact command?
[11:29] <lunchbox> it worked with apt-get sry
[11:30] <magnus_> can someone help me on this one?, To make the javac to work i use the command:    PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/jdk1.5.0_10/bin     . How can i set this command in a startup script.
[11:30] <lunchbox> but not with adept
[11:30] <voicu> can't i do anything to stop from being flooded?
[11:30] <manchicken> lunchbox: Which package/
[11:30] <lunchbox> uh any
[11:30] <voicu> i have 35kb/s in traffic without having any programs open
[11:30] <lunchbox> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[11:30] <manchicken> magnus_: Add it to your ~/.bashrc
[11:31] <lunchbox> that is the error
[11:31] <manchicken> magnus_: Or you could put it in the /etc/profile if you have root perms.
[11:31] <Jucato> manchicken: actually...
[11:31] <Jucato> magnus_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[11:31] <Jucato> magnus_: to choose teh default java version
[11:31] <manchicken> lunchbox: Sounds like it couldn't find a package that you were trying to install.
[11:32] <manchicken> Jucato: You and your solutions that are better than mind.
[11:32] <lunchbox> could be but i trie more than one
[11:32] <manchicken> Jucato: Nervous?
[11:32] <Jucato> manchicken: definitely :P
[11:32] <manchicken> lunchbox: Sometimes that is network related, or the package is no longer kept on a repo, or your sources are incorrectly set up.
[11:33] <lunchbox> it happened after a froze Java install
[11:33] <magnus_> so if i put it in the profile file, do i just write under the text that allredy is there?
[11:33] <manchicken> Jucato: I am a bit too.  ^_^
[11:33] <Jucato> or that... um... installing the package will break dependencies or something...
[11:33] <lunchbox> hehe
[11:33] <Jucato> adept doesn't give very descriptive error messages :)
[11:33] <lunchbox> Ill say
[11:33] <stdin> magnus_: yeah, at the bottom is best
[11:34] <magnus_> okey, thanks
[11:34] <Jucato> magnus_: um... you don't have to do that if you run the command I gave...
[11:34] <Jucato> but your call
[11:35] <stdin> Jucato: it doesn't look like a package install, probably from a .bin
[11:35] <Jucato> stdin: oh well...
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> !wine
[11:36] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:40] <mena_> stdin, i got this while ./configure
[11:40] <mena_> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[11:40] <mena_> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[11:40] <mena_> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[11:41] <Jucato> mena_: install "kde-devel"
[11:41] <mena_> jucato, i did
[11:41] <Jucato> hm...
[11:41] <stdin> mena_: what options did you pass to configure ?
[11:42] <mena_> mean
[11:42] <stdin> what was the command? ./configure ....
[11:42] <mena_> no just ./configure
[11:42] <Karl_24> nabend..
[11:43] <mena_> jucato, jucato wait a second bec iread it ;de-level
[11:43] <mena_> k
[11:43] <Karl_24> i just installed kubuntu for the first time..
[11:43] <frojnd> LjL: thx for !ftpd...
[11:43] <stdin> mena_: try ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:43] <Karl_24> how can i set set root password.. ??
[11:43] <mena_> stdin, i am installling kde-devel and if it didnt work i will tell you
[11:43] <stdin> !sudo | Karl_24
[11:43] <Jucato> !sudo | Karl_24
[11:43] <ubotu> Karl_24: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:43] <Jucato> bah
[11:43] <mena_> okay after install
[11:44] <Karl_24> but installer of nvidia needs real root rights.
[11:44] <voicu> what's the command that counts the lines?
[11:44] <stdin> !nvidia
[11:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:44] <stdin> Karl_24: ^^
[11:44] <Jucato> Karl_24: nah, you just need to use sudo
[11:44] <stdin> voicu: wc -l
[11:44] <voicu> oh, thanks
[11:45] <Karl_24> strange- when i'm typing sudo - it just shows me the usage
[11:45] <Jucato> Karl_24: sudo <command>
[11:45] <stdin> Karl_24: it's "sudo command"
[11:45] <Jucato> read the RootSudo page for more info
[11:45] <stdin> Karl_24: or "sudo -i" to get a root shell
[11:46] <Karl_24> ok .. thx..
[11:46] <lontra> is it possible to get oo.org2.1 for edgy?
[11:46] <frojnd> kwa je to myspace podobna varjanta k glasujzame al kk
[11:46] <Jucato> frojnd: huh?
[11:46] <frojnd> sorry
[11:46] <frojnd> wrong server, wrong chan :)
[11:47] <frojnd> lol
[11:47] <stdin> heh :P
[11:47] <Jucato> :P
[11:50] <illriginal> Anyone here know about Dynamic IP? How I may obtain it?
[11:51] <hansent> illginal: you can run dhclient from a terminal
[11:51] <hansent> that should renew your DHCP lease
[11:57] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:57] <hatta> oh boy a meeting
[11:57] <hatta> will there be snacks?
[11:58] <mikebeecham> hello
[11:59] <mikebeecham> I'm a new linux user, and I thought I would pop in :D
[11:59] <Dasnipa] [> hi 'a new linux user'
[11:59] <mikebeecham> :D
[11:59] <mikebeecham> Mike
[12:00] <mikebeecham> this is WAY better than I thought it was going to be
[12:00] <mikebeecham> although I am having problems
[12:00] <mikebeecham> but they'll get sorted no doubt
[12:00] <mikebeecham> does anyone know much about Amarok?
[12:00] <Dasnipa] [> mikebeecham, what type of problems
[12:01] <mikebeecham> well, I have installed Amarok, and I have asked the collection to be collected from a shared music folder on my Windows Network...
[12:01] <mikebeecham> I have mounted the drive using smb4k
[12:01] <mikebeecham> but for some reason, when I go to rebuild the collection it does not retrieve anything
[12:02] <mikebeecham> I have checked the folder priveledges, and haveset it to allow edit by anyone, so there are no read & write issues
[12:02] <illriginal> Is there such thing as a program that'll change my IP address, such as using sudo dhclient?
[12:02] <Dasnipa] [> illriginal, 'change your ip' ?
[12:03] <illriginal> yes
[12:03] <illriginal> like dynamic ip
[12:03] <illriginal> which releases and renews my IP address.
[12:03] <mena_> stdin, What is Skim applet
[12:04] <orient2000> Does anybody knows where to get flash software for USB key like in a link http://www.mandriva.com/en/individuals/products/node_3482
[12:04] <mena_> !skim
[12:04] <ubotu> skim: smart common input method platform for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1216 kB, installed size 2620 kB
[12:05] <Phlosten> orient2000: you can do that with any distro, just have to make the USB key bootable.
[12:05] <lunchbox> join/ #ubuntu-meeting
[12:05] <illriginal> Is there such thing as a program that'll change my IP address, such as using sudo dhclient?
[12:06] <mikebeecham> so, can anyone help at all with the Amarok issue?
[12:06] <mikebeecham> or am I googling again :D
[12:07] <stdin> mena_: no idea, I don't use skim
[12:07] <stdin> illriginal: if you use dhcp, then you IP address is assigned by the dhcp server
[12:08] <Phlosten> mikebeecham: you can access the file by simple browsing?
[12:08] <orient2000> I have no idea how to do it but Mandiva has a software preloaded on a key. The think is I do not like the key.
[12:08] <mikebeecham> yes
[12:08] <mikebeecham> Phlosten
[12:08] <mena_> stdin, mee to and no pro
[12:08] <illriginal> stdin
[12:08] <mikebeecham> when I scan the mount, all my files can even appear in a playlist....but they wont go into the collection
[12:09] <illriginal> it keeps assigning the same IP address.
[12:09] <illriginal> i need this for security purposes
[12:09] <stdin> illriginal: so why do you need to change it ?
[12:09] <frojnd> I wanna download torrent and when it ask me what to do I do open with but I don't know which file is the program azureus: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3644/
[12:09] <illriginal> stdin... security.
[12:10] <stdin> illriginal: is it an internal IP or external one ?
[12:10] <illriginal> how would i check that to know?
[12:10] <illriginal> it's not comin from a router, it's directly hooked up to my modem
[12:10] <stdin> illriginal: ie. is it for LAN or internet ?
[12:10] <illriginal> LAN
[12:10] <illriginal> i mean
[12:10] <illriginal> no no internet.
[12:10] <illriginal> hard wired to the modem
[12:11] <Phlosten> mikebeecham: this may be of help http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211260
[12:11] <stdin> illriginal: then you have to talk to your ISP, because if you change the address, it could stop your internet from working
[12:12] <stdin> frojnd: how did you install azureus? from a package or from a tar.gz?
[12:12] <frojnd> stdin: package
[12:12] <illriginal> understood
[12:13] <stdin> frojnd: azureus should be /usr/bin/azureus then
[12:13] <test34> Does the default Kubuntu Kernel be used as a router ?
[12:13] <mena_> stdin, after i compile a style where to find it bec i cant find in the style
[12:13] <sorush20> hi guys
[12:13] <stdin> test34: yes
[12:13] <test34> thanks stdin
[12:13] <stdin> mena_: normally when you compile something it's in the place you compiled it
[12:13] <sorush20> just wanted to know if there are any alternative views of the calendar in kontact
[12:14] <Bahram> Hi.I was wondering if there was any way I could remove the "Kubuntu" loading bar that shows up on boot?Maybe replace it with some kind of useful info??hehe