[01:06] <gnomefreak> karma is messed up again if not already known i went from over 1.3 million to 10489 over night.
[01:06] <gnomefreak> im not the only one
[01:10] <gnomefreak> i had right at 900,000-1 million before edgys release how is this right?
[01:11] <mpt> gnomefreak, see the channel topic
[01:12] <LaserJock> gosh, I really like the new numbers, I guess it's just me :/
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> mpt: We just read that.  It still doesn't seem right according to what that claims was the problem.
[01:12] <LaserJock> right
[01:13] <LarstiQ> mpt: interesting, it has greatly changed +topcontributors for a couple of projects
[01:13] <mpt> tonyyarusso, can you give an example?
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> mpt: Well, I don't have the exact numbers, but gnomefreak, PriceChild, and I all believe we had substantially more points in October than we do now, regardless of what happened in between.  Additionally, gnomefreak and I can both confirm that our karmas were holding steady in recent weeks, not increasing dramatically as would have been the case.
[01:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you still looked at your karma?
[01:15] <mpt> tonyyarusso, remember that karma decays over time
[01:16] <LaserJock> mpt: yeah, it's definately done more than just compensate for Oct-Jan
[01:16] <mpt> So if your karma was holding steady recently, that might have been a combination of both the Oct~Jan ballooning, and the decay of karma you earned before October.
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> mpt: Right.  Probably the most significant thing is the appearance of being steady recently.  Was it locked after the problem was discovered or anything like that?
[01:16] <LaserJock> you sure they didn't Log() it or something
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> mpt: ah, that would make some sense
[01:16] <mpt> Cancelling each other out.
[01:17] <LarstiQ> mpt: afaik karma has been non-increasing for everyone the past week or so
[01:17] <LaserJock> ok, but I went from almost 2 million to 4208 overnight
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> mpt: Still, it seems like a pretty drastic adjustment.  I went from something on the order of a bit over 1,250,000 to 2476, so it raises some flags.
[01:17] <LaserJock> that seems a bit more than some compensation
[01:17] <mpt> The people who know most about karma are salgado and stub
[01:18] <mpt> so you may want to talk about it with one of them, when they're around
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> All right.  Just hoping we haven't introduced a new bug or something.
[01:43] <sabdfl> mpt: hmm... i thought the 1-0-ui branch rolled out automatically at 23:00 UTC?
[01:43] <sabdfl> was hoping to see all the new fixes before crashing :-)
[01:43] <sabdfl> LaserJock: i think they did log it
[01:44] <LaserJock> I was hoping for a Log, I think it's a good way to get new people excited without making things unreadable
[01:45] <LaserJock> unless of course your sabdfl and you should have infinite karma ;-)
[01:45] <sabdfl> in my life, there's good karma, and there's not-so-good karma :-)
[01:45] <sabdfl> dat's livin'
[01:45] <LaserJock> hmm
[01:45] <LaserJock> we haven't introduced negative karma
[01:45] <LaserJock> that would be fun ;-)
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82389 in soyuz "Store the person who signed the changes file in an upload" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82389
[01:46] <sabdfl> night kiko-zzz
[01:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: you mean upload a package with bugs?
[01:51] <ajmitch> or filing a duplicate?
[01:58] <mpt> sabdfl, there was one pagetest failure that I've now fixed, now I'm merging conflicts with salgado's work
[02:00] <LaserJock> ajmitch: for what?
[02:01] <ajmitch> LaserJock: negative karma :)
[02:02] <LaserJock> heh
[02:02] <LaserJock> I thought we could give doko -5 every time he backlogs the buildd with OO.o ;-)
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82391 in rosetta "Denemo name in menu Spanish" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82391
[03:22] <jamesh> mpt: ping?
[03:49] <effie_jayx> Hello... is something wrong with karma??? or was there something wrong with Karma?
[03:49] <effie_jayx> :D
[03:52] <ajmitch> see topic
[03:53] <effie_jayx> cool
[03:54] <effie_jayx> the second then :D
[03:54] <effie_jayx> sorr for not reading the topic
[03:59] <mpt> hello jamesh
[04:01] <jamesh> mpt: yesterday Hobsee filed a bug about confusion relating to the way we display dates/times (bug 82230)
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82230 in pytz "Time zone abbreviations can cause confusion" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82230
[04:02] <jamesh> it turns out that she assumed that the "EST" at the ends of the dates meant we were using US time rather than Australian EST (which she had selected)
[04:02] <jamesh> mpt: what do you think of using numeric time zone names instead, or maybe even no time zone names?
[04:03] <gouki> Hi. I had a major lost of karma points. ~70000 to 5000. Can anyone provide any information of why this happened?
[04:03] <jamesh> gouki: see topic
[04:04] <gouki> jamesh: Sorry
[04:04] <gouki> Thank you
[04:04] <jamesh> gouki: no problem :)
[04:04] <gouki> jamesh: So NOW the karma is correct
[04:05] <mpt> jamesh, definitely, if it is at all common for more than one timezone to have the same abbreviation
[04:06] <jamesh> mpt: they definitely aren't unique identifiers
[04:06] <jamesh> gouki: yep.  I don't have 2 million karma either now :)
[04:06] <gouki> jamesh: Hehehe!
[04:06] <jml> so how much karma do I need to level up?
[04:07] <jamesh> jml: now or before?
[04:07] <jml> now, I guess.
[04:07] <jamesh> jml: 2 million
[04:07] <jml> hahaha
[04:07] <gouki> 'Level up'?
[04:08] <jml> gouki: it's an RPG term.
[04:09] <mpt> ooh, that's an idea
[04:09] <jml> gouki: for way too much information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_up
[04:09] <mpt> Get 10000 karma, and you get to use Launchpad Pro
[04:10] <gouki> jml: Thank you. I was not aware of this.
[04:10] <gouki> Can I find out more information regarding Launchpad Pro?
[04:11] <ajmitch> mpt: excellent, I've only got a couple of thousand to go!
[04:13] <mpt> Vaporware always is
[04:14] <mpt> argh, kiko, where's your patch?
[04:15] <ajmitch> mpt: the beta isn't vapour though :)
[04:17] <mpt> Nor is it shiny, yet
[04:58] <effie_jayx> lol @ launchpad pro... is that for reall?
[04:58] <jamesh> effie_jayx: I can neither confirm or deny the existence of Launchpad Pro
[04:59] <effie_jayx> ohhh god...
[04:59] <effie_jayx> :S
[04:59] <jamesh> actually, I can deny the existence :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> the secret is to deny everything
[05:01] <spiv> ajmitch: we deny that that is the secret
[05:01] <LaserJock> heh
[05:02] <effie_jayx> well 
[05:02] <effie_jayx> sounds very corporate... to ad a pro...
[05:02] <effie_jayx> :S
[05:03] <effie_jayx> what next.. launchpad home edition 
[05:03] <effie_jayx> :D
[05:03] <LaserJock> I was thinking Launchpad XP
[05:03] <radix> and how many new spells do you get when you level up
[05:03] <effie_jayx> LOL
[05:03] <effie_jayx> radix,  lol
[05:03] <jml> radix: depends on your class
[05:04] <LaserJock> that's what I need, more "bug-b-gone" powers
[05:05] <jml> radix: a cross-class translator / hacker might get three more spells and an extra attack per round
[05:05] <radix> dang, I am probably only a bug wrangler, according to my karma page.
[05:05] <radix> with like one level in spec writing
[05:07] <effie_jayx> radix,  it is rumoured that launchpad pro is used by google (just to keep the ball rolling)
[05:34] <LaserJock> effie_jayx: I thought that was Goopad? ;-)
[05:34] <effie_jayx> I give up...
[05:34] <effie_jayx> :S
[05:35] <jamesh> effie_jayx: radix probably isn't the one to spread rumours to
[05:36] <jamesh> effie_jayx: the closest thing I've heard to that rumour is Google having a customised version of Ubuntu (which they do -- they've got customised versions of every distro they use internally)
[05:37] <effie_jayx> jamesh, :D
[09:14] <mruiz> hello
[09:17] <mruiz> Where can I report a LP bug?
[09:19] <tonyyarusso> Under products > lp in malone I'd imagine.
[09:20] <mruiz> :-)
[09:22] <mruiz> thanks tonyyarusso 
[09:22] <tonyyarusso> yw
[09:52] <carlos> morning
[10:14] <davmor2> A query how do I add a spec for a meta-package for westnoth-all for gnome-app-install please?
[10:17] <seb128> don't add specs for small details like that
[10:17] <seb128> having a zillion of specs for every wishlist is not the right way to do ;)
[10:17] <seb128> open a wishlist on gnome-app-install
[10:18] <davmor2> seb128: how please
[10:18] <seb128> davmor2: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+filebug
[10:19] <davmor2> seb128: A wealth of knowledge, many thanks
[10:19] <seb128> np
[10:30] <mpt> Alas, another confusion between the bug tracker and the spec tracker
[10:30] <mpt> :-)
[10:32] <davmor2> mpt: Sorry?
[10:35] <sabdfl> stub around?
[10:38] <sabdfl> mpt: iirc, h2 is what we use for in-page subheadings, right?
[10:40] <sabdfl> if so, could we give it a bit of space-above? it always seems those headings are jammed agains the text above them
[10:41] <stu1> sabdfl: yes
[10:46] <mpt> sabdfl, 0.5em added.
[10:46] <sabdfl> thanks mpt - looking forward to 23:00 :-)
[10:47] <mpt> As in, 12 hours from now?
[10:48] <sabdfl> ddaa: what's the difference between syncing and mirroring?
[10:48] <sabdfl> trying to understand productseries.date_published_sync
[10:48] <ddaa> depends on the context
[10:48] <sabdfl> mpt: yes
[10:48] <ddaa> ha
[10:49] <mpt> oh, the rollout to beta
[10:49] <ddaa> sabdfl: in this context, synced means "importd updated the internal import branch", and mirrored mean "the internal branch was published on the supermirror"
[10:49] <Fujitsu> What's being rolled out to beta? Some major change?
[10:50] <mpt> Fujitsu, no, just some shiny new hotness
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Sounds good.
[10:51] <ddaa> the best way to described date_published_sync, I think, is "the time the currently published branch was synced, at the time the internal branch was last synced"
[10:51] <ddaa> best as in "shortest accurate"
[11:01] <sabdfl> ddaa: so this time effectively gives you the "age" of the published branch?
[11:02] <ddaa> if importd_branch.last_mirrored < datelastsynced, yes
[11:02] <ddaa> but if import_branch.last_mirrored > datelastsynced, then the age of the published branch is given by datelastsynced
[11:03] <ddaa> s/importd_branch/import_branch/
[11:03] <sabdfl> do we actually track the internal branch and the published branch as separate Branch objects?
[11:03] <stu1> so when the branch is synced, the last_mirrored timestamp is copied to the date_published_synced timestamp (?)
[11:03] <sabdfl> or is the internal branch just data on disk?
[11:05] <sabdfl> ddaa: please walk me through this
[11:05] <ddaa> stu1: no, when the branch is synced, the datelastsynced timestamp is copied to date_published_sync, IF datelastsynced gives us the age of the published branch
[11:05] <sabdfl> say we run a cscvs import run on an external SVN branch at 08h00
[11:05] <sabdfl> what data gets updated?
[11:06] <ddaa> sabdfl: importd pushes the cscvs-updated branch to escudero
[11:06] <sabdfl> to a special directory, related to the branch id?
[11:06] <ddaa> sabdfl: yes
[11:07] <sabdfl> ok
[11:07] <sabdfl> and what db data is updated so we know when this happened?
[11:07] <ddaa> so at this time we have a published branch on vostok, whose age is given by date_published_sync, and a branch on escudero whose age is given by datelastsynced
[11:09] <ddaa> importd updates datelastsynced, and _maybe_ date_published_sync
[11:09] <ddaa> Then the branch-puller scripts runs (independently of importd)
[11:09] <ddaa> and copies the branch on escudero to the published area on vostok
[11:09] <sabdfl> are those both on ProductSeries?
[11:10] <ddaa> both datelastsynced date_published_sync are on ProductSeries
[11:10] <sabdfl> what are the relevant columns in ProductSeries and Branch?
[11:10] <sabdfl> so ProductSeries.datelastsynced *always* reflects the date the last sync happened
[11:10] <ddaa> After the branch puller update escudero, it sets import_branch.last_mirrored (on Branch) to UTC_NOW.
[11:11] <ddaa> sabdfl: yes!
[11:11] <sabdfl> i thought the branch puller pulled FROM escudero, and updated vostok?
[11:11] <ddaa> s/updates escudero/updates from escudero/
[11:12] <ddaa> s/updates from escudero/updates vostok from escudero/
[11:12] <sabdfl> ok
[11:12] <sabdfl> so
[11:12] <ddaa> 1. importd sets datelastsynced
[11:12] <sabdfl> what is import_branch?
[11:13] <ddaa> sabdfl: its a foreign key ProductSeries->Branch that associates the import to the branch updated by importd
[11:13] <sabdfl> ok. so that's ProductSeries.import_branch.last_mirrored
[11:14] <sabdfl> i.e. it's the branch on Vostok
[11:14] <ddaa> yes
[11:14] <ddaa> that tells us when the published branch was last copied from escudero to vostok
[11:15] <sabdfl> ok, i understand why importd would set ProductSeries.datelastsynced
[11:15] <sabdfl> and why the branch puller would set the Branch.last_mirrored
[11:15] <sabdfl> what is the purpose of the ProductSeries.date_published_sync?
[11:15] <ddaa> so we have two data configurations: 1. the branches on vostok  and escudero are identical 2. the branch on escudero is more recent
[11:16] <ddaa> in case 1, the time of the upstream VCS that's reflected by the published branch is simply ProductSeries.datelastsynced
[11:16] <sabdfl> yes
[11:17] <ddaa> But in case 2... we needed something more than ProductSeries.datelastsynced or Branch.last_mirrored
[11:17] <ddaa> because last_mirrored is irrelevant to the user here, what matters is the "upstream VCS time"
[11:17] <Bhaskar> still problem to download po and mo from launchpad, upto when this will fixed?
[11:18] <stub> Bhaskar: At the moment I think there will be a rollout with the relevant fix in about 18 hours.
[11:19] <Bhaskar> stub:ok, so after 18 hrs we can access
[11:20] <stub> Bhaskar: Yes. I'll be confirming the rollout shortly.
[11:21] <sabdfl> ok, i understandwhat you're trying to do here
[11:21] <sabdfl> essentially, for any given branch on escudero, then on vostok, you need to know what "point in time on CVS" it represents
[11:22] <ddaa> so, Branch.last_mirrored is "supermirror time", and ProductSeries.datelastsynced and ProductSeries.date_published_sync are "upstream vcs time".
[11:22] <ddaa> yes!
[11:23] <sabdfl> if datelastsynced was just "date_internal_branch_synced" and the other was "date_published_branch_synced" would that not be easier?
[11:23] <sabdfl> then you would always know to use "date_published_branch_synced" in the UI?
[11:24] <ddaa> sabdfl: that would certainly be easier to explain, but that would require the branch-puller to update date_published_branch_synced (and give it perms to update the ProductSeries table)
[11:24] <sabdfl> what perms does it currently have?
[11:25] <ddaa> and at time I wrote the code it was easier to _do_ it the way I did it
[11:26] <ddaa> sabdfl: actually, the branch puller only touches the DB through the authserver
[11:27] <sabdfl> RO?
[11:27] <ddaa> write group
[11:27] <sabdfl> so if the branch puller is compromised by nasty "bzr" data, then it can modify the Person table?
[11:28] <ddaa> not really
[11:28] <sabdfl> or is it limited to poking at the auth server?
[11:28] <ddaa> yes, it has no direct db access
[11:28] <sabdfl> is that the deliberate design, that the branch puller should not have any db access?
[11:28] <sabdfl> ok
[11:28] <sabdfl> i'll have to think about this
[11:28] <sabdfl> but we give the importd direct database access?
[11:28] <ddaa> it's a deliberate design decisions because of the security issue you just outlined
[11:28] <ddaa> sabdfl: yes
[11:29] <sabdfl> and the importd is also pointing at potentially hostile data?
[11:29] <ddaa> importd is talking to potentially hostile servers
[11:30] <sabdfl> so we gain no real security by keeping the branch puller away from the db
[11:30] <ddaa> but maybe we should discuss the detailed security implications on a private channel :)
[11:31] <SteveA> BjornT: hi, call?
[11:32] <BjornT> SteveA: sure, i'm ready. i was just restarting X in order to get skype to work.
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82445 in launchpad "Launchpad karma's have been resetted." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82445
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ouch!  didnt realise karma had dropped by *that* much!!!
[12:29] <oojah> *shrugs* Everybody is in the same boat.
[12:33] <mrevell> Hobbsee, oojah: Have you seen the https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07 page?
[12:33] <mrevell> Hobbsee: It's a good thing, honest :)
[12:34] <mrevell> Hobbsee: It means that everybody's karma accurately reflects the work they've done
[12:34] <mrevell> Hobbsee: I'm sorry we ballsed it up for a while
[12:34] <mrevell> hey static
[12:35] <static> hi there mrevell
[12:36] <oojah> mrevell: Yes I've seen it thanks. I'm not really worried to be honest :) I just wanted to point out to Hobbsee that although his karma had dropped lots, so had everybody elses so there shouldn't be much of a net change really.
[12:37] <phanatic> oojah: her ;)
[12:40] <oojah> My apologies
[12:40] <mrevell> aha :)
[12:40] <mrevell> It's a bit of a shock to see your karma drop like that
[12:40] <mrevell> but it's for a good reason :)
[12:40] <mrevell> Now, next time something like that happens, we need to let you know beforehand...
[12:40] <oojah> heh
[12:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82432 in launchpad "Double email notification after I approved a new team member" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82432
[12:59] <Hobbsee> mrevell: yeah, i know :)  was just surprised
[12:59] <Hobbsee> oojah: :)
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82407 in Ubuntu "Can anybody delete my launchpad account? (dup-of: 2773)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82407
[02:16] <Pistahh> hi
[02:16] <Pistahh> how can I find the bugs I created in launchpad?
[02:19] <matsubara> Pistahh: https://launchpad.net/~yourlpname/+reportedbugs
[02:20] <salgado> Pistahh, go to your home page, by clicking on your name on the top right corner and there you'll see a 'Bugs' link on the left-hand menu
[02:31] <kiko> hello crackerjacks
[02:32] <Pistahh> salgado: that link goes to assigned bugs, not to reported bugs.
[02:32] <Pistahh> matsubara: thx, that works
[02:33] <salgado> Pistahh, right, then you have the 'Reported bugs' on the left menu
[02:33] <Pistahh> salgado: ah, really. Thanks.
[03:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82465 in launchpad "Track the date in which a person first become a member of a given team" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82465
[03:11] <Pistahh> bye
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82477 in malone "Assinging a bug re-sends it to people who have already received it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82477
[04:19] <kiko> ass singing?
[04:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82483 in launchpad-cscvs "svn_oo.WorkingTree.update does not ignore externals" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82483
[05:30] <sabdfl> effie_jayx: you're now the owner of the lsm team
[05:34] <effie_jayx> sabdfl, thanks... I hope it wasn't a big mess :S
[05:38] <sabdfl> no, jesus was quite happy for you to have admin, though he recommended someone else (Max?) to be the owner of the team
[05:38] <sabdfl> hope this resolves those issues and lets you guys get on with good interesting work!
[05:44] <effie_jayx> sabdfl,  yep... thanks for the trust... I did chat with him... for a while... amicable mostly... thanks again
[05:56] <kNo`> heya ll
[05:58] <kNo`> yesterday, I had a 60000-ish karma score
[05:59] <kNo`> now it's 2023
[05:59] <kNo`> :(
[05:59] <kNo`> oh shit
[05:59] <kNo`> I've read the topic
[05:59] <kNo`> never mind
[06:00] <kNo`> bye
[06:07] <effie_jayx> :D how many a day??? I was one yesterday :D
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82498 in launchpad-support-tracker "Change search results message to use 'matches' instead of 'about'" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82498
[07:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[07:30] <mpt> Even those who pay attention to their karma!
[07:33] <sabdfl> mpt, thanks for the feedback and comments
[07:33] <sabdfl> mail sent with additional thoughts
[07:33] <sabdfl> the app home pages don'tlookanything like the mockups, which is what's driving me to re-evaluate
[07:34] <sabdfl> is this because we haven't put enough effort into the renderingin HTML?
[07:34] <sabdfl> or because the designs are impractical to render (hard to believe given Usman's background?)
[07:34] <logikon> hey.. i was willing to translate stuff to portuguese, but I after I registered the site didn't give me very clear instruction on how to proceed..
[07:34] <mpt> sabdfl, what differences do you see between the Bugs front page and the OneZeroBugsPage mockup?
[07:35] <sabdfl> spacing, emphasis, imagery, content... where do you want me to start?
[07:35] <sabdfl> lots of little things that make the difference between pretty and ugly
[07:36] <sabdfl> though, much prettier than it was previously
[07:36] <sabdfl> still not slick
[07:36] <sabdfl> call tomorrow is to try and get that back on track
[07:37] <mpt> Well, nothing's slick yet, because there's a lot of CSS work left to do
[07:37] <mpt> but rearranging the contents of the pages won't really change that
[08:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82516 in launchpad "App buttons should be normal size on LP front page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82516
[08:27] <jbailey> SteveA, kiko-afk: Simon's poked me with a question about -commercial.  It's currently being built by dak, so doesn't show up in Launchpad at all.
[08:27] <jbailey> But now folks want to file bugs. =)
[08:31] <matsubara> hello jbailey, bug 58495 might interest you :)
[08:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58495 in soyuz "dapper-commercial packages are not represented in Launchpad" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58495
[08:32] <jbailey> matsubara: You're magic, dude.  Thanks! =)
[08:50] <seb128> BjornT: around?
[08:51] <seb128> BjornT: do you have any idea on when the "apport bugs generate 9 mails" problem will be fixed?
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82533 in launchpad-bazaar "Need to warn that bzr+ssh branches will not be mirrored" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82533
[09:41] <Redmond> hello. can someone tell me how to quit my lounchpad account?
[09:42] <kiko> Redmond, file a +ticket on the launchpad product.
[09:43] <Redmond> is a ticket a bug report?
[09:45] <Redmond> how can i do that?
[09:45] <kiko> Redmond, no, more like a help request.
[09:45] <kiko> here:
[09:46] <kiko> launchpad.net/launchpad/+addticket
[09:46] <kiko> Redmond, but everybody on #launchpad will miss you...
[09:48] <Redmond> kiko, yes i know. but i have to change my name there. in dont want to be found by google by typing mey realname. thats a problem for me :(
[09:48] <kiko> Redmond, I can change your real name on launchpad for you
[09:48] <kiko> is that the only problem?
[09:51] <Redmond> no im a little paraniod about that. i dont want leave any traces to my old account. so i want to register a very new. i hope you excuse that circumstances. but of course i will go on working on launchpad. "the intention counts" :)
[09:52] <kiko> Redmond, there are no traces if you change your name and ask google to reindex the page, seriously.
[10:07] <jag2kn> hi
[10:15] <sabdfl> mpt: is it difficult to make the whole tab clickable?
[10:16] <kiko> sabdfl, should be a matter of making the a { display:block }
[10:20] <mpt> sabdfl, it's a little tricky to do that in a way that both (a) doesn't mess up the tab border and (b) still works for those tabs that don't contain links
[10:20] <mpt> (i.e. those tabs that aren't clickable for the current context)
[10:21] <kiko> mpt, can't you span { display:block }
[10:21] <mpt> It will involve fiddling with spans, probably
[10:21] <mpt> yes
[10:21] <sabdfl> ok
[10:21] <sabdfl> i think there's already a bug filed
[10:22] <mpt> yep
[10:23] <kiko> yeah
[10:55] <sabdfl> mpt: privmsg?
[11:03] <beuno> I can't access launchpad.net
[11:03] <beuno> is it down?
[11:04] <beuno> oops, now I can
[11:04] <beuno> wierd, a couple of ppl complained too, must of been a hicuo
[11:04] <beuno> hicup
[11:34] <sabdfl> ghost in the network
[11:51] <Rinchen> apparently.
[11:51] <Rinchen> sabdfl, responded to Claire's email.  17:00 GMT tomorrow is very good. 
[11:52] <sabdfl> hey joey
[11:52] <sabdfl> super
[12:13] <sabdfl> anybody tried running lp on feisty?
[12:13] <sabdfl> we need lp-dependencies
[12:13] <sabdfl> and some code updates, it seems for python 2.5 
[12:14] <sabdfl> and postgres 8.2